Red Pill Example[x-post] After husband has cancer and a life threatening accident, gold digging wife moves out and then tells husband's attorney she's "waiting for him to die" so she can collect his benefits. She's destroyed in court by female judge (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by captainmaged

Comment by /u/myzyri on a post in AdviceAnimals:
I work with a divorce lawyer who also handles real estate transactions. I'm selling a house for a couple getting a divorce and the lawyer laid a few stories on me. This one seems to fit here nicely...
Guy gets married. Rough times since she's in college and he can't find decent work without ever having graduated high school. He joins the army just to have steady income and pay for her schooling. He gets out a couple years later and becomes a fireman. Then becomes a building and fire inspector for the city. Makes good money. Pays off all their debt over the next several years. Wife tries to start a few businesses (none of which relate to her degree) and fails. Hubby supports her and pays for all her screw ups. He gets cancer but still goes to work. He ends up having an accident and he's bedridden. Wife moves out after a couple months saying she can't care for him and contacts this lawyer. She doesn't call the lawyer to get a divorce, she calls the lawyer to find out what to do in order to keep his benefits when he dies.
Doctors are saying he's got less than a few months. Lawyer thinks she's a scumbag but advises her. A few months later, she claims she moved back into the house. It's a mess, the husband has gotten all gross from guild buildup from medications and he stinks. Doctors say he's still in bad shape, but give him maybe a year. She wants someone to support her. Calls the lawyer and asks if she can take all his benefits if she divorced him. Lawyer says she'll get a portion. She moves out. She gets a boyfriend to support her and decides to wait till hubby does off. Totally ignores him. A year later, she calls the lawyer saying the cancer is gone and the husband is back to work, but now she wants a divorce because he's fat and lost his hair and he's just a disgusting slob. Lawyer says they can move forward, but she's not going to be able to just have his paycheck deposited in her account.
She seems to think she can take everything from him because he got sick and couldn't support her for a few years. The guy has another accident at work (fell off a roof on a 3 story building) and he may not survive. The same day of the accident, she calls the lawyer to excitedly request a hold on the divorce because "he might just die and save us all the trouble." That's the last call the lawyer gets, sends a bill, gets paid, she figures the husband died.
Fast forward SEVEN YEARS. Lawyer gets a call from the wife wanting a divorce. The fireman lived!! Not only did he live, he got back into shape, became the county inspector, wrote a book about surviving his fall (and many other stories about the bravery and risks firemen take), went in some talk shows to promote the book, and he's basically looking like a stud and making tons and tons of money.
She's freaking out saying she's going to take him for everything he's worth because he's got a woman living in their marital home and he's a cheating bastard. (Remember, she's had a boyfriend since his accident.) Lawyer starts working on it and the wife is excited to finally get paid and "move on with her life."
They try mediation and she's pushing for EVERYTHING. So, they try some kind of arbitration with only the husband, wife, attorneys, and a judge. Wife refuses to accept anything the judge suggests. Later tells the lawyer she declined even the most reasonable requests because the judge was a male and she was convinced he was siding with the husband because "good old boys club." (WTF?). Apparently, the husband wants to get married again and was being extremely generous just to make it all come to an end so he could get married and get on with his new life. They schedule to go to court. She's excited because there's a female judge. Husband's lawyer pulls out documents from 7-8-9 years ago. In addition to her own attorney, she was talking to the husband's attorney about getting his benefits and "waiting for him to die" and having this boyfriend.
Judge just rips this woman a new one. Wife was asking for maintenance/alimony. Wife was asking for profits from the book and benefits from his job. Judge looked over how much she'd sucked from him in college costs, failed business ventures, and other things he'd paid for while she ignored him for seven years.
Judge grants her $30,000 per year in maintenance for ten years! Judge then grants him $36,000 per year for ten years to help him recuperate his expenses since she was OBVIOUSLY only with him for money and support. Judge WISELY whittles it down so that he never has to pay her anything but she has to pay him $500 per month for the next ten years which I guess negated his obligation in case he paid and she didn't.
In the end, she wound up paying him and from what the lawyer said, the judge verbally destroyed her in court for being a complete piece of garbage. She said the judge told her that she'd be spending time in jail if she missed payments or did anything to hurt his standing in the community. Lawyer said she is currently suing the wife because she never paid the $12,000 legal bill either. HOWEVER, she routinely sees the husbands lawyer and apparently the wife is paying the ex husband every month; however she's filed multiple suits to get the payments reduced and lost every time.
TL;DR After husband has cancer and a life threatening accident, gold digging wife moves out and then tells husband's attorney she's "waiting for him to die" so she can collect his benefits. She's destroyed in court.
Edit: added paragraph breaks, apologies in advance for wall of text, posting from mobile

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 149 points150 points  (11 children)

Nice! Wish I knew who the guy was that wrote the book. Love to read it. Guy is a damned warrior.

[–]Godtiermasturbator 91 points92 points  (8 children)

Glutton for punishment though. Wanted to get married again.

[–][deleted] 50 points51 points  (1 child)

He learnt his lesson the first time! This one's different!

[–]d1560 24 points25 points  (0 children)

No this one is a Special Snowflake guys. I know it in my heart /s

[–]oliver_tate 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Couldn't be worse than the first though.

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That's how the story always goes - "he wanted to get married again and move on with his life".

Bullshit. It's the new girlfriend who wanted it and was pushing him for it, that's what they're not saying out of the delicacy of their heart.

Because she's exactly the same as the first bitch, and now wants her out of the picture ASAP so she can be the legal benefactor supreme, herself. Can't say I fault her for it either, that's how this rigged game works.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, in his defense, she was probably young and hot. Hopefully...

[–]Garconanokin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hopefully he writes part 2 now and makes even more

[–]VincentKenway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gladiator would be the appropriate word

[–][deleted] 76 points77 points  (3 children)

Like Mulder, I want to believe. Feeling a little Scully about this story, though.

[–]slay_it_forward 15 points16 points  (1 child)

No doubt. Guy comes back from the dead not once but twice. Modern day Jesus. I wonder if there was an attempted divorce rape on Jesus when he came back too.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

His alleged wife was a whore anyway; Mary Magdalene wouldn't get much sympathy in court if divorce existed in his region

[–]Rainlead 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The part about dropping out of highschool and joining the army for a couple years is a major sticking point. The military doesn't take highschool dropouts anymore, maybe like 40 years ago. Enlistments are also for 4 years, minimum. Getting out in a couple years means injury or other-than-honorable discharge (which would make it hard to be a fireman).

But, it could have just been a while back, and the story just glossed over it. So I might just be nitpicking.

[–]solidsnork 27 points28 points  (0 children)

This story is better than porn.

[–]Gawernator 18 points19 points  (9 children)

Wish I could find a news story or something supporting this. Almost sounds like a fairytale of the good guy winning in the end.

[–]ColdIceZero 44 points44 points [recovered]

Lawyer here. Fake story is fake. Husband's lawyer literally could not have had a previous conversation with the wife about leaving the husband, then subsequently get hired to represent the husband, then use information in fucking court which came from the previous conversation that the lawyer had with the wife.

[–]captainmaged[S] 11 points12 points  (5 children)

The way I read it, the ex wife tried contacting his lawyer directly after she had her own representation

[–]ColdIceZero 11 points11 points [recovered]

Which would also be an ethical violation. A lawyer is prohibited from speaking directly to opposing parties when the lawyer knows that the opposing party is represented by counsel.

So while there are a lot of dumb lawyers out there, only some lawyers would be so dumb as to pick up the phone and chat with the wife directly if she were to call, especially in a goddamn family law matter.

[–]captainmaged[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Point taken. Follow up question. If wife emails lawyer, i.e he did not initiate the contact or respond to the email, would the contents of that email be admissible if it is pertaining to the case if it goes to demonstrate the opposing party's motive or intent, or would that also be an ethical violation?

[–]ColdIceZero 9 points9 points [recovered]

So, just to paint a bigger picture, there are a lot of different types of rules that lawyers have to follow. Some rules only apply specifically to lawyers (e.g., don't fuck your clients, don't steal from your clients, keep clients' secrets confidential, etc.). These rules are professional ethics, and fucking with these rules can get a lawyer sanctioned (pay a fine), suspend their license to practice law, or permanently revoke their license.

Literally none of these rules apply to nonlawyers. So if you decide to sue someone and you just represent yourself, then you're allowed to do all kinds of stuff that I can't (e.g., pick up the phone and directly call the other side, even though the other side is represented by a lawyer).

Then, there are rules that govern court rules and procedures. Everyone involved in court must follow these rules. One set of these rules is the Rules of Evidence, which governs what facts (evidence) are able to be submitted to the court.

In your hypothetical, where the wife emails the lawyer, can the lawyer use the contents of the email against the wife, or would this be an ethical violation? Yes, the lawyer can use the email. It wouldn't be an ethical violation because the lawyer didn't communicate with her, she communicated to the lawyer. There's a difference.

Also, the Rules of Evidence would control when the lawyer submitted the email to the court. There's a specific rule that allows for submitting the email in this case.

[–]captainmaged[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the detailed explanation. Not disputing that the story may be far fetched, but it seems from the narration in the original comment, that the husband's lawyer produced "documents" showing that the wife was waiting for him to die to get his benefits, which hypothetically could have been an email printout or a letter from the wife. Per your explanation, if the Rules of Evidence were followed, such documents would have been admissible and could have influenced the judge's decision. To your earlier point, it isn't really clear what the nature of the communication was the way the story was told

[–]Gawernator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought it sounded suspicious.

[–]Moldy_Gecko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Was already husband's lawyer when she decided to tell him that shit. Wasn't in confidence or anything, she was fishing for answers.

[–]p00pey 93 points94 points  (18 children)

sounds like standard RP porn...same story, over and over again. What exactly is to be learned from this, even if it was true?!?