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Red Pill ExampleFor Those Questioning The Red Pill (self.TheRedPill)

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I want to start with extending my sincerest gratitude to all the men who have made quality contributions here at TRP. You all have changed my life and I am forever grateful. Truly.

This is a post for those of you out there who are having a hard time accepting what this community has to offer.

Background about me: I'm 23 years old. I have a great job, one that allows for virtually endless opportunities of advancement and increased income, as well as job security. I have great looks and a good body. I've always been a "natural" with women and have pretty much been able to get any woman I've wanted, even from a young age. I say this from a position of humility, as even a "young god" like me can (and has been) utterly fucked over by women. I've been cheated on. I've been completely disrespected. I've been walked over like a doormat. However, for the longest time I refused to accept what The Red Pill attempted to teach. I made every excuse under the sun.

"But she's different!" "Not all marriages are like that! Look at Johnny and Sue!" "There's a girl out there who will accept me for who I am!"

Gentleman, I cannot stress this enough: The sooner you throw that bull shit out the door, the sooner you will find happiness in life.

Face it, you're miserable. It KILLS you to see the "woman of your dreams" throw you to the wayside and fuck Chad. And Brad, and probably their brothers too, all in the same month. Or week. You think to yourself, "I can change her. She'll realize how good of a guy I am and come running back to me."

She won't. God damnit fellas, get it through your thick skulls. She won't. You see, the problem is you can't be advised by a woman on what it is a woman wants in a relationship. They don't know. They think they do, but the things they claim are NOT going to get you laid. And stop lying to yourself, you want to fuck the shit out of more women you can shake a stick at. There's nothing "disrespectful" about wanting to fuck a woman. To say the opposite is a product of an increasingly feminising society that aims to disempower masculinity (men) to push a feminine agenda. And let me be clear on one thing, there's not a single successful civilization in history that was a result of their "empowerment" of women.

However, I'm going to leave the teachings of TRP to the ones in this community who already so effectively and eloquently offer it to us. I'm still the student, and don't yet have the vast experience that some of these gentleman do, to be in a position of instruction. What I am going to do is share an experience of mine, in hopes of contributing - in the very least - an amount of acceptance of TRP.

Flashback to my early days of The Red Pill indoctrination. I was very skeptical. Raised in a church-going, southern-pride state, it went against every fiber of my being to believe what this community illustrates about women and their nature. In my eyes, women were angelic creatures who deserved respect. They deserved protection. They deserved the best. So, I met this girl. I'll refer to her as Jen. She was amazing. Absolutely gorgeous, smart, respected by her friends and peers. She was sweet. She was what guys refer to as "wife material." However, I used Jen as an experiment. I desperately needed real-life experience, a final effort in disproving TRP. I began the relationship implementing TRP "tactics". I fucked her brains out the second night we went out. I rarely texted her, and when I did it usually involves me telling her to come over. I'm going to purposely leave out minor detailed aspects of our interactions, but this girl was hooked on my dick. When in public, she felt she was "walking among a god". Her words. I established from the beginning that she does not sleep over after sex. I don't like to cuddle and I don't sleep well with someone else in the bed. The one time I did, she literally thanked me and shrieked in excitement. I woke up the next morning to the smell of bacon and eggs being cooked by a beautiful naked woman. All because I let her stay after having sex. Go tell any feminist that you don't let women stay after fucking you, and they will look at you like you beat a baby to death with a rock. Ironically, it's one of many things that keep women cumming back for more. At this point, I had established alpha status in this girl's life. She felt lucky to be with me. It was time to begin the experiment. The experiment was to begin acting like what Red Pillers refer to as "beta traits" in order to see if it really would turn this woman away. I started texting her for conversation. I would sent her "Good Morning :)" texts. I let her sleep over after sex, and cooked breakfast for her. I put a message on her Facebook wall saying what a good time I had at the zoo yesterday and how I'm so lucky to be with her. I stopped cumming on her face during sex and told her "I feel bad for disrespecting you like that." I sent her flowers to her work for her. I brought her lunch at work. I kept doing things like this, until it happened. After about a week and a half, she began to frequently not text me back. She all of a sudden became "busy" when I asked her if she wanted to "go on a date." The sex became awful and less frequent. She wouldn't cum anymore. This progressed into her outright telling me to "not bother her so much." A week later I see her posting up pictures with a Chad and completely cuts of communication with me.

"Well," I tell myself. "I guess it's true."

This girl went from being completely wrapped around my finger, to completely disowning me and fucking another guy in a matter of 3 weeks.

3 weeks.

Please, gentleman. Do this for yourself. Swallow the pill. I can't stress enough about how fulfilled and happy I feel in life after doing so. More than any fantasy beta dream could ever promise.

Embrace your masculinity. Don't give up. The rewards are well worth it.


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[–]xkcd_puppy 57 points58 points  (65 children)

Theory here teaches us this. But most of us men have been indoctrinated blue pill all our lives, on the whole nonsense about all women being dainty loyal princesses. Sometimes I cannot even find the logical will to treat another human being badly. And then I learn the hard way about being too nice.

But then I read even more theory how if you do favours/treat her nice, she'll end up resenting you because she'll feel like she owes you something.

These insane non-logical mind games shit with women eh? Fuck!

[–]PragmaticRedTruth 51 points51 points [recovered]

That's why the golden rule then comes into play:

Above all else, never care more about anyone or anything (this will include your own children, your own family.) more than you care about yourself. Never give too much of a fuck; never become reliant on outcomes that are dependent upon another's decisions.

If you follow this, above all else, you're the one who is CONTROLLING the [mind] games.

The key is; make others play to your tune. You do this by engaging them to their tune, and showing them yours. If you do not engage them, you risk losing the opportunity to create new relationships and new plates. But once you've opened to their rules, you start by immediately showing them yours. (i.e. you can't walk up to every girl out there and tell them, "I want to fuck." You must game them. The idea is to engage many by playing their game for a very short period, then turning them on to yours.)

[–]2awalt_cupcake 17 points18 points  (2 children)

I think this is what they mean by "Bait and Switch" and it never made sense until you explained it like this.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 9 points10 points  (1 child)

There comes a point where you have internalized it enough that it is no longer "bait and switch." It all morphs into one persona. The vibes and charisma you give off at first are the same you give off later ... it's simply a matter of getting them "in rhythm" with you.

You're not playing mind games with people, cause you know you are the prize ... because you've put in the hard work. Self-improvement and self-mastery. That is the way of TRP.

[–]CQC3 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Above all else, never care more about anyone or anything (this will include your own children, your own family.) more than you care about yourself.

I used to think this was terrible, but now I'm understanding the power of selfish generosity. Positive selfishness. Society indoctrinates you into the sacrificial mindset, to always give more than you receive. In your relationships, to always place unwarranted and blind trust based off of obligation. A false naturalness.

Now I realize that in every group, overlapping social circles and all from work to home to outside anywhere, there is always someone who pulls the strings somehow. We innately think of this as evil, but truth be told it is necessary and natural. Someone will always bubble to the top whether it is transparent or behind the scenes.

Either be that guy, or be aware of that guy enough to not be affected. Being that guy means you can either use your influence in a benevolent or malevolent way, or maintain a neutrality.

This post was prompted by the idea of manipulating family and friends, we think of it as dubious, but if you simply do it to keep an eye out over them and yourself by default (and this is obviously a corruptible position) then it's just a matter of controlling your life. People don't need order or control imposed on them, but it's a chaotic shit show without it.

[–]icecow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Above all else, never care more about anyone or anything (this will include your own children, your own family.) more than you care about yourself. Never give too much of a fuck;

Agreed and expanding.

Anyone that doesn't do this is living in a downward spiral controlled by others, even passer-by-ers.

Counterintuitively, you can love someone else more by loving yourself first then loving them first. It's just another 'huh' truth that has to be internalized, but can't be the goal or it's failing from the start, reeking of oneitis. Oneitis isn't just putting one women above all others, it's putting a woman above yourself.

tl;dr What good is being loved by the weak?

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[–]J_AsapGem 17 points18 points  (9 children)

well bro.. you just made me depressed slightly, truth hit like a ton of bricks.. that's why i question if relationships are worth it, with this constant effort, are you mentally prepared to do this forever? pump and dump seems easier but also so unfulfilling, such is life man.

[–]B_Campbell 9 points10 points  (0 children)

True dat. I have a hard time keeping up the wall. It's exhausting but if you don't do it they lose interest.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Relationships can work but you can't make her a central part of your life. She has to be more like a hobby, your seventh priority as Archwinger so eloquently stated.

Easier said than done though. A woman who's really into you will make you and your relationship with her the central part of her life. After a while, if you believe in fair play, you may naturally feel bad that she's giving way more than she's getting and you'll be tempted to reciprocate. You can't give in. Women get a sense of fulfillment from pleasing men they are attracted to. If you start serving them, you deny them that feeling and they'll start looking elsewhere.

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[–]Five_Decades 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Humans are social creatures and there is some pair bonding necessary to procreate successfully. So you can't get rid of it.

This thread reminds me of the book models by Mark Manson. One of his arguments is that you need to be less invested than a woman. That is what the op experimented with and he saw the results firsthand.

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[–]mehdreamer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I said it before on a post.. TRP is very effective as a sexual strategy....but if 90% of men on earth follow its principles, it will be the end for humanity. It's a dead end for human procreation.

You can't build solid families with kids while following TRP.. That's why, to me at least...swallowing the red pill was hard...because I knew I will never live with someone and deeply connect with her and have kids...

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[–]MaxBonerstorm 49 points50 points  (19 children)

Worst part is it never ends. You have to do that shit for eternity or she loses interest and finds herself at Chads within a week.

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[–]reigorius 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Which is a good thing. Keeps you sharp and ready. Works wonder for other aspects of life.

[–]EatmyShorts59 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Women are meant to come and go. Become a pro at letting go.

I fucking love this !

And It Rhymes !!!!

My savior!

[–]zue3 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Go rhymes with go. Who would've thought?

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[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (6 children)

Exactly. It's like what the fuck? Women say they want the nice guy, but if you are the nice guy, they will treat you like shit in the bedroom and in many other areas, yet will do anything for the guy who treats her terribly. It still boggles my mind because while I'm not a typical "nice guy or doormat" I treat people with respect. Yet, when it comes to sleeping with women, you sometimes have to act like a bit of a dick.

[–]mirceamrc1 14 points15 points  (2 children)

If you're not a dick to her, then someone's else dick is into her.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pretty much. It's messed up isn't it. I mean if a chick is being a bitch to me, I'm gonna avoid her, not constantly text her.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I remember this guy I knew in high school. Was a complete asshole to women but, they couldn't stop fucking him.

One day I just had to ask him " How do you keep getting these women to come back?! You're a asshole!"

What he said was the start of my journey in RP. "You have to be a mix of asshole and sweet"

I'll never forget what he said, even 6 years later...

[–]1WeedDaddy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"You have to be a mix of asshole and sweet"

It's like mixing shit and chocolate, the winning flavor.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

As Al Bundy once said, "Never try to understand women. Women understand women and they hate each other."

[–]The_Red_Paw 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I hear your frustration, but what you must truly embrace is that it makes total sense- when viewed through the correct filter. It is like playing Monopoly with a 4 year old. If you can't game a 4 year old it is your game that is off, not theirs.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Hopefully you are not my son. He said something very similar recently. This is why we focus on the man, not the woman or even the relationship. This is why the advice given is often contradictory. The rules change through the month and through the course of the relationship.

Like 4 year old monopoly, you have to be an aware man able to read his woman. It is not retarded but it is indirect and it is a completely different and frustrating language for men. You have two choices. Learn the language or go mgtow.

[–]Lsegundo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

or always have a "spare tire" lined up. Let women come and go like the tides. No fucks must be given when you change a tire.

[–]Rynolz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rosebudd said in his book he learned from his older brother to be "chicken shit". Basically what you said, not calling back, not showing up, take all day to text back... It's not being a dick to their face but being a sly little asshole and acting as if you're better than everyone else. Those idiots buy it every time. Women are so susceptible to marketing tactics, that's who all the ads are for they are the dumb ones.

Be chicken shit my friends, girls love it.

[–]Lsegundo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fill up your life so you don't have to pretend. Im not doing great, but I am talking to enough women that I forget who is who and mostly wait for them to contact me. If they don't I don't care because I usually don't even remember.

I probably do more stuff I want to do in my free time than dating.

[–]MuhTriggersGuise 9 points10 points  (1 child)

But then I read even more theory how if you do favours/treat her nice, she'll end up resenting you because she'll feel like she owes you something.

This is my biggest problem with women and people in general. I grew up in a rough situation that was pretty frugal (blows people's minds when I get into the details), but it made me A.) Develop myself to have a career that pays very well, and B.) Make me a little too generous because I don't want people to be wanting.

Let me tell you, 99/100 times your "generosity" damages your image in others eyes. Pay for someone's meal because you know they can't really afford the nice restaurant you want to go to? Now you've made yourself look like a chump and you're not good enough for their time so you have to do favors for it. Buy a girl a drink? She would've boned you, but now you've made it apparent you aren't worthy of her and have to try to create "sexual debt" to get her panties off. Turn off.

My motivations weren't beta, but the actions appeared that way. I learned as much as I like being generous, it just hurts my relationships when I don't keep it in check.

[–]Eze-Wong 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reminds me of the time when I was like 23 and taking driving lessons (lol yeah that happened) and there was this kid tyler who I kinda liked. He was poor so I took him and his friends for lunch once. And I remember distinctly this was the time it hit me how beta being nice was because this girl said "You're way too nice".

It hit me like a ton of bricks that being nice wasn't a common thing in their world. To me, a few bucks on a lunch was nothing, but to them it was like I was buying their coolness (or perception) or that I was paying for their company. In my mind, I was trying to be nice to these kids because they didn't work and were poor.

I guess in retrospect it looks entirely beta. For them a "cool" guy doesn't need to buy them dinner. IN fact, a "cool" guy would treat them like shit because they're conditioned like that middle school. Because that's what the alpha jocks did all the time. Treat them like shit.

Perception seems to be everything. Even if it's a complete lie.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (12 children)

But then I read even more theory how if you do favours/treat her nice, she'll end up resenting you because she'll feel like she owes you something.

My situation is a bit opposite it seems. Granted I'm new to TRP so maybe you, or someone else more learned than me can shed some light on it.

I'm in a relationship where I'm the complete beta, she has me dancing on her finger. She talks to me when she wants, she sees me when she wants, she fucks me when she wants....I've done a lot for her. I have literally pushed my life aside for her, helped her through everything when no body else (not friends, not family) would.

Now it seems that she is generally just a shitty person (feminist). She is EXTREMELY selfish. It seems like she expects me to do nice things for her (hell, some of the shit I did for her go way beyond nice) without expecting her to do the same or show the same level of commitment to me. So in my case, I feel like SHE owes ME, and that makes me resent her.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (7 children)

But you can't negotiate attraction. Nothing you've done for her has made her more attracted to you. Can you see your SMV (overall physical, material, and behavioral attractiveness) objectively, and compare it to hers? Either she's using you for what you provide as a Beta Bux, or she's doing that AND you have significantly higher SMV.

Either way, you're a beta by the way she treats you. If you're physically attractive to her, you can turn this around by asserting yourself selfishly and uncompromisingly - within the law - and making her your bitch. You want to think she'll hate you for usurping her authority over you, but she's hardwired to get wet instead.

There's a lot more to explain. Read the sidebar, read the Endorsed Contributors' posts from the past.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Hmm. I would say physically I am decently attractive and much more personality wise. I have plenty of friends and my social value is high in her eyes. Materially, she has a higher paying job and better career than I do, but she has no control over her spending. So despite having a lower paying job, I have better finances. But I do think she looks down on me for where I am in my career (because she looks down on others in the same position).

Yes that's what it seems like. She's just using me, and I got that vibe from her since the first time I talked with her, before we even went on a date. But despite knowing this, I always just did things for her and let her walk all over me (beta). And you're right, that has done nothing to make her more attracted to me. She lied about having multiple dating profiles, would not delete them, and was very reluctant to go exclusive and took a long time. Even now she often "jokes" (according to her) about seeing other guys.

I have reached my tipping point though: that's why I'm here to seek the light.

[–]AngeloCiao 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Get rid of her and save face before she dumps you, thats a sure way to boost your respect points, and make up for the ground you have lost. Or Branch swing first then dump her, like they spend their entire lives doing. But get her before she goes and fucks Chad.

[–]wetassassin420 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Come on, we know she's already fucking Chad.

[–]kittenssavedmylife 2 points3 points  (0 children)

chadgetsallthepussy

becomechad

[–]AngeloCiao 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yep true! wtf was I saying giving her that much snow flake credit :-/

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good to hear about that tipping point. Sometimes it is hard to face up to change, but you really need it. This relationship you describe is the shits and you need to end it. This is not what male/female relationships should be like, need to be like, or work at all for any length of time. And they make you (and her, but that is by-the-by) miserable because it takes away your self respect.

Get rid of the oneitis. You say she was 'reluctant to go exclusive', this is ass-backwards. Your job is to get her to go to bed with you, her job is to get you to keep coming back. Unless you are desperate for children, why would you want an exclusive relationship? And with a feminist, for fuck's sake!

Let me suggest you spend sometime reading the valuable material in the sidebar, hit the 'top' menu in the menu bar above, and read black dragon's blog about handling non exclusive relationships. You can have a far better life than this.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 4 points5 points  (0 children)

yeah dude, you're being used like the gullible gump you are being

[–]like_a_ghost 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Dude, straight up ghost this chick. She'll lose her mind lol

[–]CQC3 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Pretty much this. If you go from being a slave to just not giving a flying fuck overnight some serious alarm bells are gonna go off.

Make sure this sites not on your browsing history. Don't give her shit to blame your recent change in behavior. Give her no reason at all, it'll drive her nuts. Never offer a reason, or anything.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Dump the bitch and work on yourself.

[–]stawek 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You don't seem to be happy but you still want to be with her. Go all in and take a risk.

Stop helping her out and being her bitch. She will turn into a royal bitch. Keep your cool and don't break your frame.

She may or may not dump you (most likely she will). Either way you are better off: if she stays with new, assertive you - the relationship will be better. If she leaves - you will have a better relationship with next girl.

[–]p3n1x 3 points4 points  (0 children)

indoctrinated blue pill all our lives, on the whole nonsense about all women being dainty loyal princesses.

To stay away from "angry guy" mentality, don't forget that both men and women were educated by and watched the same disney shit as one another growing up. Drinking the Kool-aid at a young age is not the fault of the opposite sex. It is the propaganda of some Ivory Tower money machine.

Stop being intentionally confused about "insane non-logical" shit. Accept facts, move on. We are fundamentally different at birth.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's an emotional roulette wheel, where the hamster stops nobody knows.

[–]MEANMUTHAFUKA 3 points4 points  (1 child)

In with you man - and this is what I struggle with the most. I'm naturally a really nice guy, and being callous to another person, male or female, is hard for me. I always think about it as it relates to my experience raising children. Sometimes you have to be the bad guy to make shit work, or risk things breaking down because I'm being too soft. It's difficult to strike the right balance. It's something I struggle with every single day. Sometimes you have to be a hard ass. It's not something I enjoy, but it has to be done for the sake of having a successful, working family. It won't be long before I'm having to deal with 3 girls going through puberty. I can hardly wait.... Jesus I want to suck a pistol just thinking about it.

[–]nolanite 3 points3 points [recovered]

Which we only put up with for access to their vaginas, mouths, and asses.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Reasoning and counseling never worked with my ex-wife. Breaking out the big guns and really putting her in place and dreading her did. I didn't want to have to be that person to have a successful marriage.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (27 children)

This is because we've been raised to believe men and women are the same... they aren't, they're different people.

[–]LeftShark86 33 points34 points  (5 children)

You're mixing correlation with causation. Your mom doesn't stay with your dad because he's a dick. She stays because she thinks he has a higher smv, status, money, convenience, etc. You don't have to be a dick to dominate the relationship, nor should you. Lead and they'll follow.

[–]Eze-Wong 4 points5 points  (4 children)

It's not just soley based on my mom. I've had personal experience with it as well. I remember another time that I was in a group doing some kind of video project. And I was so pissed off at how little progress was getting done and I just ended up eye rolling. The girl there showed definite interest in me after I showed my utter contempt for how utterly incompetent everyone was being, including her.

I'm more convinced that women view a guy who openly shows contempt for inadequacy is a sign of high value to them. Or at least has been the case in my experience.

[–]LeftShark86 14 points15 points  (2 children)

But, again, you're not showing contempt for no reason. You're justifiably unhappy about something and aren't afraid to communicate that. That's what she's attracted to.

[–]supremelummox 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I like how you think. Where can I read what you have read?

[–]illusiveab 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Here's what he's trying to say but can't: your mom stays because your dad doesn't supplicate to her. The problem for most men is not investment, it's over-investment. Your dad isn't doing anything special, he's just not prioritizing her. She doesn't want to be #1, and as long as he's meeting her agenda, she's good. It has nothing to do with his attitude - his attitude is a byproduct of his investment.

I'm more convinced that women view a guy who openly shows contempt for inadequacy is a sign of high value to them. Or at least has been the case in my experience.

This is a lack of supplication. It's not that hard to understand. It's about who frames the pace and construction of the relationship. If there is one golden ticket behavior, it is this: BE WILLING TO WALK AWAY AT ALL TIMES. This is why marriage/kids/co-habitation are so destructive - they all hinder dread. If you are willing to walk away and you commit this ideal as religion, you are literally unstoppable. If you can understand what I've just said and internalize it, you will have everything you need to be successful.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Same for my mom and dad.

Mom is a sweet lady and my Dad is confident man who is unshakable. It makes himseem like a asshole when he puts my mom in her places but.... She has no problem with that.

Before Redpill, I was so close to yelling at my Dad for being an "asshole" to my mom.

Now? I just nod my head and chuckle.

[–]vagbutters 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women want to be led and controlled by a strong male figure-- this not only turns them on, but it's the natural pecking order of relationships.

If you're some pansy blue pill husband who "listens to her," fails shit test after shit test, never takes charge, and is always subject to a woman's whimsy, you're fucked on so many levels. No doubt, these are the same shitty values being taught/ingrained into the youth's minds these days.

[–]p3n1x 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Women are utterly retarded and don't get into relationships via logic. Despite her being a very logical person, she still is lead around by my dad possibly because he treats her like shit. He berates her in public and often humiliates her and is completely condescending.

Very possible, most likely, your mom is fucking or has fucked another guy/s. The milf I sleep with says these are the traits that make her hate her husband.

Let that sink in.

Her hubby is "better than her" on some subjective level. He is in better shape than me and makes more money.... but.... Talking shit and being a douche to your women does not equal Alpha or "Bad boy".

But it's fucking working

You are her son, she would never tell you the negative truth in the firsts place.

Who are the actual retards?

[–]Eze-Wong 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No, my mom would never cheat. Not in her nature and couldn't possibly see it. And it's not just me saying that because she's my mom. It's because she LITERALLY wouldn't have it in her. All of her time is accounted for. And she's not exactly the type of girl you'd want to sleep with either. Also, my dad is the only man she's been with.

She does tell me his problems openly. Like he gambles, he never agrees with her etc. If anything that's all she does is complain about him.

She's not a 20 something spoiled rich girl from the city who whored herself out and partied. She's a country bumpkin girl who was damn ugly up until her 22's and that's when my dad caught her.

Mom hasn't been with a single male soul since. She went on like 1 date with 1 other guy (I know that guy) and they didn't have anything more than a date.

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Every single human being has skeletons. Even your mom.

Its OK though, you are the worst possible source for this information or conversation. I'm just trying to get your mentality away from "never say never".

I probably should have written out your predictable reply also. AWALT or not?

[–]juliusstreicher 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So, you believe a whore as to the reason she's fucking around???

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Believe what? The actions? The "reason's" are from irrational thought.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

It's true. All of it. I was beta in my marriage. Only lasted three years. Worst three of my life. Have treated my ex like shit since and of course, non-stop emails, pleas for a reunion, etc. Best way to transition if you need to: be like opposite George on Seinfeld. Round of applause for your Dad.

[–]Eze-Wong 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I'd love to hear more details of how you did it. Specifically what moves, or specific interactions you had.

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I'm naturally independent, so ending my marriage wasn't hard. Union was toxic to put it mildly. Ex never understood why (she's got alot of unresolved issues counseling couldn't fix). It all started after we sold our house, the last time I saw her. She asked if this was the end and I said "yep." She pleaded, cried, etc. and I didn't react. I then explained to her that in order for the marriage to work I would control all finances and decision making, would ban her crazy mother from the house until she had at least two years of counseling. If she whined or complained, shed get a STFU from me first and on the second time, I would leave the house, go to a bar and text her pictures of me flirting with hotter women. Told her that's not the life I want for myself. She still asks me to come back to this day.

[–]Eze-Wong 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Niiccceee.

Would you consider your behavior "beta" before the change? Or just regular joe type stuff?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably regular joe type stuff. My Dad worked, treated my stepmom well, she raised us, no real issues. Figured the same would work for me. Didn't realize then that women aren't women anymore.

[–]Andgelyo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Holy shit suddenly I realize why my mother stayed with my asshole, negative, condescending father. I love my father, but he's an absolute shit hole to everyone, even his own children. He would constantly complain and make fun of people and get into arguments with everyone, especially at his job. Never realized that "taking no shit from anyone" is an extremely alpha trait that women seem to love.

[–]Nootuff 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I've heard this kind of thing before and I've always wondered, do you think your mother is happy in the relationship? She says she loves your dad but do you think she really does or is she hamstering in some way? It just doesn't sound like a very happy relationship. Why would anyone enjoy being treated like that? I really don't understand.

[–]Eze-Wong 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I DON'T EITHER. But she seems rather happy. She often laughs at his jokes at her expense. I have no idea man. I can't even begin to fathom...

I don't even think they have a single thing in common. They have no hobbies, they disagree on just about everything. But everytime I ask she says she loves him. And when I ask my dad about my mom he always says something super sarcastic about how "Your mom is the best woman in the world she's always right" (thick sarcasm)... etc.

[–]Nootuff 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Well, whatever works I suppose. Is your dad red-pill in other ways or just his relationship?

[–]Eze-Wong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dunno... But the way he talks. I think he's like an old school red pill.

[–]MusicalMutt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Partly true, but you don't have to be a dick and berate the girl/women, just don't get stepped on. I keep seeing either extreme and you can have a balance and not get shit on.

[–]Zantonse 67 points68 points  (35 children)

What about an in the middle experiment?

Not being an absolute dick to her, but not being a complete beta bitch. Just being someone with strong boundaries who doesn't completely give off the aura of a needy kid.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table 51 points52 points  (16 children)

This is me in my current LTR. Three years on, she still sends daily texts telling me how much she's happy to be with me and how loving me makes her happier than anything else.

OP's experiment is great for showing you the two extremes for attraction and repelling. At some point you have to "soften" the alphaness a bit, modify it for a man in an LTR.

[–]CleverLime 27 points28 points  (0 children)

That's exactly what Aristotle was saying about extremes. Everything has two extremes and a middle, extremes being bad.

"In philosophy, especially that of Aristotle, the golden mean is the desirable middle between two extremes, one of excess and the other of deficiency. For example, in the Aristotelian view, courage is a virtue, but if taken to excess would manifest as recklessness, and, in deficiency, cowardice." - Wikipedia on Golden mean (philosophy)

[–]Zantonse 14 points15 points  (13 children)

Thank you for that answer. I see what you mean, it was a great experiment but you definitely can't keep it up for a LTR.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 13 points14 points  (12 children)

you definitely can't keep it up for a LTR.

Yes you can, the key is to not actually get into a "traditional LTR". I'm currently doing it with my main plate of i think 9 months now. I made it explicitly clear that I don't want a serious relationship, i don't want kids and i don't ever want to get married. I told her if we continue this, we aren't exclusive and you should make the decision for what is best for you and what makes you happy.

Guess how that went, I'm what makes her happy. With RP teachings I've never had girls be as happy as they are with me. Eventually you will have the talk, she will try to push for more. All you do is handle it from a neutral, understanding frame. Like a wise grandfather talking to his children. Understand her, acknowledge her needs but assert you are going to do what's best for you and what you want. If her and your needs/want aren't meshing then you can end it if you feel it's needed or just leave it up to her, 9/10 she will take her current deal over losing everything.

Here are my personal criteria for attempting this though,

  • You need to have fucked 20 girls minimum, you have no idea what you want/need from a girl till you've gone through a lot of them. You need to have plated at least a half dozen for extended periods of time.

  • You need to be financially and emotionally secure. That is you don't rely on anyone but your self for you own wellbeing.

  • You need to be able to never attach your emotional well being to an external influence. Never become codependent with a woman. Studying stoicism is great for this.

  • You need to have a fucking spine, learn to be unapologetic and stand your ground on what you want/down want. For guys that suffer from self hate/doubt you need to learn to become accept yourself and not be ashamed of your wants & desires.

  • Outcome independence and abundance is a must. I've been busy with personal stuff/monk mode for a while now, I haven't really gamed any girls in about a month or so, but i know if I lose this chick it won't phase me. I'm high status enough that i can get another girl in a day or two. Hell, i got this girl within 2 days of dropping my last main plate.

  • Never get into a "traditional LTR", that is no monogamy or being exclusive. Unfortunately we live in a society today that treats taken men like doormats. There was a time in our society where men where actually men and valued for masculinity. Today that status quo isn't that. I don't care if you are the most alpha mother fucker on the planet. Women are hugely influenced by stereotypes and social norms. If you become exclusive with a girl, your status will take a massive hit.

  • Instead, re-frame the relationship. This takes a bit of creativity and foresight because every girl is different and you will have to come up with different ways to frame the relationship. My current main plate is actually a single mom. TRP blasphemy but I see it as a perfect opportunity. Even before TRP i never wanted kids, this is the perfect reason why we can never date or go past friends with benefits. All I had to do is assert my wants/needs and be unwavering in them. Then tell her she should do what makes her happy.

  • 2/3 rule always applies. I text her half as much as she text me. I love cooking but i make sure i cook 2/3 as much as she cooks for me. I make sure she wants to fuck me more than i want to fuck her, luckily we both have high sex drives so it isn't a problem.

  • Fuck her like a pornstar. If you aren't having sex like they do in porn then you are doing something fundamentally wrong. If that's the case i suggest you study up on dominating women in bed.

Like /u/Adderallabuse said, it is very much like being her "daddy". My last main plate actually loved calling me daddy, the one i have now prefers "Sir" but it's all she same. Chicks have a weird... dynamic like that when you take the traditional masculine role of the relationship. I really don't even question it anymore. It works so i do it. If i was to paraphrase it, you want to have a humble yet superior demeanor about yourself. The wise grandfather or a benevolent patriarch.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table 2 points3 points  (9 children)

So you count your plate as an LTR? How does that work? Is the openness on your end only, or is she free to sleep with other dudes?

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Is the openness on your end only, or is she free to sleep with other dudes?

It's open but she's so emotionally invested into me I know she can't find any guy better than me. And if she does I don't really care. As a businessman i look at it in a similar light. If an employee fines a better job that gives them a better life, i can't really get made at them for improving their life.

I will however not be fucking her anymore and I'll move on. I have a nihilistic inevitability mentality. All things come to an end eventually, accepting it from the beginning makes it much more enjoyable in the moment. The glass is already broken.

As far as what is spoken/unspoken between us. We aren't dating, we are free to do what we want, but, she knows subconsciously that i won't be a doormat or be taking sloppy seconds. Chicks bond differently than guys anyways. I can go fuck tons of girls and it wouldn't effect my view or happiness in the relationship with her at all. However girls bond with those they sleep with. A girl can't sleep with a guy and not get feelings, a dude typically doesn't have that problem, all thanks to evolution designing us this way.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table 0 points1 point  (4 children)

So, not really an LTR, then?

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 0 points1 point  (3 children)

On paper, no.

What's your definition of LTR though? Traditional monogamy or a certain amount of time?

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Traditional monogamy or a certain amount of time?

Combination of both. I've had FWBs that lasted for years but I'd never dream of calling them LTRs under any circumstances. I'm rigid like that, I s'ppose.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I see LTR as longer than X months. There are lots of different forms, FWB, poly, open, etc. The key is to never do the traditional LTR of monogamy.

[–]illusiveab 0 points1 point  (2 children)

or is she free to sleep with other dudes

I'm not OP, but she is going to do whatever she feels. You can't actually negotiate attraction. You don't have a contract, even if you explicitly say "we are exclusive." If you fuck up your game and some other dude comes along with mack, you think she's just going to honor your words? Not likely.

My whole point: it's really a non-question because thinking there are contractual obligations is just entangling shit more than necessary. She's going to do whatever she feels like doing and you need to be able to accept whatever comes. This is why truly alpha men prioritize their happiness in any relationship at any point. They will let her go if they feel her time and energy are elsewhere instead of worrying about shit like that. Abundance, abundance, abundance.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Of course she's free to do as she pleases. This isn't about her actions; this is about what they mean to you.

If you agree on monogamy, then her sleeping with another dude means the end of whatever association you might've had. If she's a plate, then no sweat--things go on as they have.

[–]illusiveab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup - I think I just read your post a little differently than you asked it.

[–]Zantonse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do like your personal criteria in that you really need to be an independent person and know what you want. I definitely am no where close to the 20 women and it shows with girls I've been talking to.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your criteria is a solid set of goals for new men looking for LTR. Worthy of its own essay

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (11 children)

In an LTR, you want to shoot for daddy game.

Daddy is the boss and can be stern but fair. He also doles out comfort by sometimes listening and providing support.

"Its gonna work out princess. Trust me"

You certainly can be a prick but its not necessary. The confusion comes when men realise that princesses worship fails so they do a 180. Women do prefer a nasty bastard to a supplicant chump but its the assholes ability to stand up for himself that wins that race. It wasnt that he is a prick.

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[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table 2 points3 points  (8 children)

You need to work on your anger.

[–]RPmatrix 2 points3 points  (4 children)

He's clearly got mommy and repressed anger issues

I guess I would to if my mum were forcing me to go to church! lol

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[–]RPmatrix 1 point2 points  (2 children)

dude, you've got some MAJOR anger issues, that's for certain

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[–]RPmatrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If he's not angry and I'm wrong, so what? What's the purpose of your comment?

What would you call a 17yo guy who's ("portays himself online) as clearly misogynistic? ( a woman hater)

And not just on any "internet forum" as I've yet to see any fora outside TRP world which allow men to speak openly as we do here, You're aware of via TRP's "no bullshit" philosophy, aren't you? Do you think this kid is 'pretending'?

Why would anyone fake that shit, esp in a forum like TRP? What do they have to gain?

Unlike someone like myself who LOVES women, faults and all!

I've had more women, completely unrequested by me in any way,, do more 'extreme' things to please/help me than all but 2 of my good male friends! I doubt many guys here can honestly say that. A devoted women is something else altogether, as a few guys here well know . Quite a few of the EC's are in LTR's and a few are even ... can you believe it, "married with kids"!

The things various women have done for me, completely unasked, has blown my mind quite a few times. You probably wouldn't believe me if I told you some of these things, shit! I hardly can believe it, and I was there!

Funnily enough I've been 'let down' by men far more than I have been by women!

But then again, I have rarely asked a woman to 'help me' whereas I have asked my 'mate/s' at times, some of whom have shown their 'true colors' under pressure and who's beta ways and lack of backbone have pussied out for the most pathetic of reasons.

I've ghosted guys I've known for a decade or more for not keeping their word., BUT as I don't expect a female to behave like a guy and I have a fairly good understanding of female behavior, I don't 'expect' a lot from them. But damn if I haven't got some extraordinary 'bonuses' from girls who like me!

Back to "TheNextPrince",, Here's a 17yo kid (who's mum "makes him go to church", which pisses him off) advocating hurting women and has made numerous comments about how "women like to be hurt" and how much he likes hurting women who in his opinion, are basically worthless.

Somehow that doesn't come across as 'chillaxed' to me!

The only woman he's truly interacted with is his mum, (and maybe) knows a few girls at his school, (if there are any) which is hardly a 'wide sample' of females IMO

This is a young guy who says he's "never loved anything/one", (which I guess includes his mum) and 'thinks women are only good for 3 things" ... well 4 actually, as he failed to include "being *his victims to hurt",, along with "sex, housekeeping and having children" , not that he's ever experienced any of those,. (except by his mum)

btw Shane, did you notice I'm not the only person who 'sense much anger' in this guys comments?

"anger" I imagine is directly related to his frustration ... words are cheap + internet anonymity allows people to 'speak their minds', and it's not the first time I've seen this kid 'speak his' in this way, and imo he comes across as angry to me (and others)

It's not like guys being angry with women's behavior is uncommon here! But ideally it's a 'phase', not their SOP.

He's been around this sub long enough to parrot what he's read, but that's about it.

He's sounds very frustrated to me and IME frustrated people become angry when they have no outlets for their frustration. I'd put money on him still being a virgin.

Let's put it this way, I have never met a 'normal' person (someone with no mental illness or outside the BDSM community) and definitely no "alpha male" who's currenly happy with their lives ,, online or IRL,, (and from what he says, IRL too) "advocating inflicting pain upon 'other people', specifically women. lolwut? Not ever!

Whereas the whole Idea of TRP's philosophy is understanding women so one isn't upset by their erratic behavior. Once you do, they rarely anger you.

What's more, he's explained in detail "why he Hates women" and how he enjoys doing so. I have no issues if his 'victims' are 'willing' (i.e. a BDSM enviroment-- but somehow I get the 'feeling' he's not into 'asking permission' or safe words.

One of my plates is sitting beside me and she's alternating between astonishment and laughter, sorry if this reply is a little bizarre, it keeps being interrupted by some chick making fucking funny comments, I wish she'd shut up!

Show me a post from an EC who's talking like this kid.

I remember being an angry teenager and I'm a clinically diagnosed 'socioparth' with ASPD but I doubt any of the girls/women I've been with would think so. Let me ask. Na, not tonight either, apparently I'm "always crazy but not anti-social"

This kid has anger issues IMHO and as this is TRP, a forum where men can openly speak their minds, (which I and others are doing) and the ONLY reason I'm even bothering to mention it is so he can choose to acknowledge that a few of 'us' here at TRP think he's kinda angry, which we understand, which is why we're saying so, and maybe deal with them Or stay in denial and stay angry.

It's no skin off my nose either way. However I doubt TheNextPrince' can say the same.

Now I've said my bit, that's the end of it for me.

btw, for all you guys thinking "wtf he's on TRP with a plate sitting beside him!?" Yeah, I am, but she's doing her own thing, and we're shooting the shit making each other laugh about dumb shit, she doesn't know or care about what I'm doing online or IRL and I wouldn't have it any other way ;D

She doesn't mind a bit of rough sex either, like most women who have unleashed their inner animal, but I don't have to ask her whether or not she "likes to be hurt" ... I'd get a definite FUCK NO!

BUT: There's a HUGE diffrence between "pain she enjoys getting while being fucked into a puddle by some hot Alpha guy she's very attracted to",, And "being hurt" by some numpty she wouldn't want anything to do with! Fuck, and 'hurting women' who don't want to be hurt is some pussy arse beta pathetic 'thought exercise' power trip.

An angry kid like this, (especially if there are people agreeing with them) can get so upset when he's 'rejected' he'll fantasize about all the nasty shit he can do to "her" ..... guys like this kill chicks when they lose it and act out their repressed frustration and violent fantasies like that kid not long back who killed his oneitis after "she rejected him" or some such shit!.

I personally really wish this wasn't the case, which is why I'm here, sharing my hard won knowledge with those who want to learn. I'm not here to 'convert' anyone but I do like helping guys get past their anger, But they have to acknowledge they're 'angry' before they can change it. An unrecognised problem is rarely resolved.

That said, every fucking day I find myself dealing with some hamstering female trying to feed me bullshit, and they piss me right off, and sometimes I can get a peverse pleasure from 'showing them up', although doing so can backfire on you and becomes a cheap laugh that can turn expensive, esp if you piss of the wrong 'middle management administrator' (who seem to be 90% female these days) so these days I rarely do this lightly,

BUT never do I think/feel that 'hurting anyone' will, in any way, either bring me satisfaction Or get me closer to my goal. If you need to enforce yourself you're doing it wrong AFAIC.

Maybe I'm just weird like that

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[–]adam_varg 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You are and you are missing the point.

Its not about being some true twue alpfha archetype. Your status and game is how good your in knowing and getting what you want. If you will able to pull it in pleasant way you will be better in that and you will be more enjoyable company. So if you act like asshole you are asshole or come from point of weakness.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRed_August 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Not being full-retard beta is the minimum requirement for an LTR so picking the middle road would work but it has caveats. Better than that however is to cycle up and down the Alpha which provides them with emotional drama. A roller coaster of feelz. They feed from this. It "averages out" the same as a constant middle of the road solution but it's more effective. Keep in mind that fatigue sets in if you keep the volume level on the same level at all times. It loses it's intensity and you're forced to crank it up a notch and then you fall into the ratchet effect where you always have to ratchet it up to get the same intensity. You need to cycle it up and down so that a little Alpha goes a long way each time you yield it.

[–]Jigsus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Isn't that basic dread game?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are a lot of women who simply want to be abused. It doesn't matter if she's a 4 or a 5 and you're a solid 7 or 8, if she isn't being abused she loses interest.

[–]mikazee 29 points30 points  (1 child)

I stopped cumming on her face during sex and told her "I feel bad for disrespecting you like that."

I don't know why, but the fact that you are doing this intentionally make it hilarious.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 52 points53 points  (0 children)

Alpha your post up by adding some paragraphs in that block.

[–]God_Mode_Challenge 38 points39 points  (17 children)

I had a situation where the reverse happened. I was living with a girl I was super into but had been friendzoned hard. She fucked her bf in my family home. It was awful. I was the most blue pill cunt you had ever met. A total emotional tampon virgin bitch. Then one day I blew a fuse. All TRP theory clicked as she told me in a drunken state how woman just want to be dominated and owned. To be fucked. The next day I woke up and walked into her room, sat down and told her exactly how I felt. I told her she needs to pack her shit and move out because I can't stand being around you when we aren't in a sexual relationship. I told her to dump her bf and get with me. She looked at me and shock. The left my house and went and stayed the night at her friends. The next day I get home from work and she is sitting on the end of my bed waiting for me....She said that it was like a flip switched in her head and al of a sudden she saw me differently. I successfully dropped a nuke and went from BETA to ALPHA overnight. I then slowly went blue again and now shes prego to another dude but hey. Im getting there.

TL;DR - went alpha overnight and fucked HB9 that friendzoned me

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[–]God_Mode_Challenge 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Girls know when we are secretly crushing. Then they get creeped out that we play this weird game and don't just do something about it.

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What is this?

[–]1Paid_Internet_Troll 12 points13 points  (3 children)

I'm shocked. I didn't think it was possible to dig out of a beta hole.

[–]God_Mode_Challenge 9 points10 points  (1 child)

It was a risk. I could have easily been seen as a naughty beta, but because I had already given up on her, and pretty much told her to fuck off, she feared losing me and got turned on by my assertiveness. It was bizarre because it was a very clear and immediate power shift that we both felt.

[–]1Paid_Internet_Troll 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good for you man. It's interesting to see people take charge of their lives and get good results from busting out of the beta box.

[–]steve70638 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You have to be willing to risk everything in the "friendship" and go nuclear like God_Mode_Challenge (good job!) did. Few betas are willing to do that...that is why they are still betas.

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She fucked her bf in my family home

How the fuck does that happen? I can't even. Why would you invite your friend and your bf over and let them have sex there? I mean jeez.

[–]God_Mode_Challenge 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Its too beta I don't even want to explain. Its cringe.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's just confusing as to how that situation even develop. Like you invited the chick over and her bf over and they decided to have sex there. Man, that a level of bets I never thought possible. At least you fucked her though.

[–]God_Mode_Challenge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She was living with me and my family. She had a bf who came over.

[–]AngeloCiao -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

I am also shocked that when you emoted your feelings a HUGE no no. i.e "Sat down and told her exactly how I felt. I told her she needs to pack her shit and move out because I can't stand being around you when we aren't in a sexual relationship. I told her to dump her bf and get with me"

9 times out of ten this dont work, and can serve you as looking more of a beta chump, (after all would an Alpha Bad Boy do that?) no because he has other options or plates, even if he doesnt he acts like he does..

All in all I am surprised this stratergy worked, I also didnt think it was possible to get out of a Beta hole, obviously this was the rare time it worked, But yea so easy to blue pill beta back slide again without even noticing, and yet the girl with a fucking ultra switched on sensitive Seismometer picks up the changes, Vagina dries, tingles stop, and before you know it you have been dumped. However having said that I still see guys (friends) acting in the most beta of ways with their spouse, GF etc, things that I see and make me cringe, and yet year after year they remain together, and the girl doesnt seem turned off. I can only put this down to them wanting a controllable, dependable, reliable, comfort, safe, secure guy in this present faze of their life, late 20s early 30s. Sometimes it can be confusing on how the fuck you do! act, I think you cant go wrong with a strong frame, Alpha, put up with no shit attitude, all the TRP teaches is the only way, whilst you might rub the odd girl the wrong way from that attitude, you will rub more up the right way ;-)

[–]God_Mode_Challenge 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I should clarify. When I said "told her exactly how felt" I mean I told her that I want to fuck her every time we are together (all the goddamn time) and that it was either gonna be like that or I couldn't see her again. We had been very close. I also told her how I had been lying about my intentions for a long time. I apologised for not being honest and explained how I just couldn't do it anymore. I just spewed everything and went full IDGAF and said exactly how I wanted things to play out. She rolled with it.

[–]AngeloCiao 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sometimes just throwing your Cards in works, well it did! nice.. I swear a woman can sense when you go full IDGAF mode, and mean it, compared to saying it and not really meaning it inside, they have a sixth sense and have a dogs nose for a Man who simply has stopped caring, for thats when they start puuuring.

[–]CleverLime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe she saw him as a BB? After all, she was staying at his house.

[–]Captain-Disarray 23 points24 points  (19 children)

This post in particular strikes a cord with me.

Long before I discovered the red pill, I was a complete mess of an organism... severely lacking orgasms with the females.

7 years from the age of 14 to 21 i struggled desperately... long story short... one day I instinctively got angry at my own gay behaviour. My beta indoctrination kept shitting on me time and time again. Something was wrong. But through the mist of feminism shamelessly part of my internal morality...I simply could not see anything outside the feelz.

I think the person who first saved me was my cousin. On my first trip to Vegas at 21 I happened to be with a very high smv male pack. And the clear leader was my cousin who is a) married b) multi millionaire c) alpha naturally to the point he made that shit look easy.

Naturally as a feminist fuckboy; I detested them.

And I was visibly upset at how it was all... in Vegas especially... such a primitive game. My cousin.. maybe because it was my cousin did not for the whole 4 day trip give up on me. His tough love and forceful words which I hated him for at the time only made sense to me somewhat at best.

I did not get laid on that trip but learnt a lot and observed keenly. I did however have sexual experiences e.g. oral etc. But that just is further proof if you have enough money you can to a certain extent buy a one night stand with a stranger. Attraction felt far more simple than my beta ideals had forced me to view.

The trip ended. I still strongly disagreed with my cousins morality and especially him cheating on his wife... a less patient alpha would have shamed me... yet he just smiled and left me one message..." let me know how chivalry works out for you"

So I went back home.. full of fresh ideas and with comfort in approaching women. All I learnt from that trip made me more alpha without me understanding any of the wisdom behind it. I legit just copied my cousin ... and it kept working on getting me first dates, iois and rare sex... but that was more than ever before. So it felt big.

My downfall was a beautiful girl like so many people.. but this was my third heartbreak in my life and it happened 7 months ago. After being the alpha initially etc... I realised I really care about her deeply even more than me (beta 101).

So I make the most ironic mistake possible; I tried to prove my cousin wrong. I tried to be the beta in all aspects of life but sex. Luckily I have always viewed sex itself as a biological domination of a male to a female. I did things she would never let someone who she didn't think was an alpha do to her. I got lucky she saw me as an alpha in the critical period. It's probably the practice I'd had before meeting her and also my great looks and her being a feminist.. she liked the idea of men agreeing with feminism.

The sex saved me for a while... we were together for 4 months and upon honest reflection the longer the story continued the more beta I became. And the more shit tests i failed.

I laughed at my cousin and all these alphas. My girlfriend who was a feminist (suprises suprise... they are the most kinky despite what they want you to think).gave me zero indication I was so close to fucking up. It was inevitable actually now I know just some of trp what was happening. She was just keeping me around while better options unfolded of course.

But I was getting the sex. Met her parents. Shit; at 23 we were both talking of moving in together and seeing if this could he the real deal (somebody please slap me now). I was so ecstatic and emotional. Beta morality had taught me all my life that I need a woman's validation. And if she is THIS beautiful then I am surely validated. Ugh

Weeks after meeting her parents who live in a different country (expensive) and having all the signs and also the sex pointing towards a good future with her I failed spectacularly as a white Knight. Fellas.. prepare to laugh at the captains expense :D

The Saturday night before I left she told me for the first time she loved me. This was after anal sex on her I was her first. Lol. I'm only giving this detail to help you understand that from literally having her obedience unlike any other man before me..to in 2 days how she lost all her love for me.

How?!?!

The critical mistake happened. On the last night I was leaving I was so beta. So feelz. I let it ruin the sex. I told her I didn't want sex on the last day. She is more important to me than sex. I love her and I'll miss her until we move in together. And not seeing her while she stayed with her parents a while longer is gonna be so hard. And i cried... ( so so cringe)

I in an instant destroyed myself as the alpha. I can see the moment so clearly now and it still hurts but it's now a good pain. Still hard but something that is proof of the gentlemens experiment in this post. The next morning she did not walk me to my taxi and even then at 4am I should have known I wrecked it with her.

I left in the morning and things changed instantly. I cannot describe it. It just wasn't the same. She made it so difficult. And of course my attempts to win her back all relied on beta mentality so I just kept confirming to her she was doing the right thing. At first it was excuses she was busy. Then I was too needy. Double standards to all her shit I'd put up with eh. Then started telling me something may be wrong and she did not remember telling me she loved me anymore. Apparently that never happened guys haha. And if it did she was drunk so I over reacted.

I got sick of her bullshit and disappeared for a week. This was unintentionally alpha. It made the relationship recover a little before one last dose of beta finished me off. My reaction? Write a long love letter begging for her back. Her reaction? Days before Christmas she told me to fuck off with my love and who the fuck do I think I am pleading with her. In love, anxious and heartbroken I apologised and tried in vain to cling on to her through friendship (hahahajajatbcr) she ignored my Christmas message.. just a simple reply. Ignored my new year message again in similar fashion.

A month later this January ( you see by now how new I am to trp) I was genuinely in deep shit. I needed her as a friend or so I thought I did. But regardless a true friend would have helped me. But how women are shit friends is a different post that already exists

She got a new boyfriend.. probably Chad. And seeing this in February. For the last time I messaged her congratulations... cringgeeeeeee. She ignored this. Totally.

I also got deleted off twitter and instagram. In my heartbreak and despair I had time to reflect on my cousins words. And a great friend of mine showed me this community and was the only person in my life not to give me sympathy or call my ex a bitch... he Blamed me and tough loved me.

This was 2 months ago. Since then I have got over my feelings totally. Thank you to the alphas. I finally get it. And life has been good since. Just yesterday a hot post wall tried to trick me... something I would have been a victim to if I didn't find this place in time. Small daily interactions have improved. Life fits together.

Oh and if she ever does message me again... the last girl I will ever love in the Disney way... she's going to get it..because I don't give a fuck anymore. And that liberation is huge. I'm free.

This is my first comment i have contributed but I hope it is helpful and somewhat useful.

It's hard to fuck up as suddenly as I did. But. It's possible.

If you are an alpha.. it's impossible to fuck up that suddenly

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[–]Captain-Disarray 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course sir I am glad you could relate.

We all start somewhere. I'm so glad to my friend who made me stop justifying all my bad luck. It wasn't bad luck... my understanding was flawed. That's not women's fault or any Chad's.

I don't even feel resentful. I'm just glad it makes sense and I have accepted the challenge.

Good luck on your journey.

[–]Captain-Disarray 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course sir I am glad you could relate.

We all start somewhere. I'm so glad to my friend who made me stop justifying all my bad luck. It wasn't bad luck... my understanding was flawed. That's not women's fault or any Chad's.

I don't even feel resentful. I'm just glad it makes sense and I have accepted the challenge.

Good luck on your journey.

[–]RPmatrix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

haha, cool story bro. Welcome to RP Reality

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[–]RPmatrix 0 points1 point  (10 children)

and what do you know about 'love' bro?

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[–]RPmatrix 0 points1 point  (8 children)

look up "the six types of love" that the ancients Greeks had ... and learn something

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[–]RPmatrix 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Ah young padawan, IMHO you would do yourself a favor by not "preaching" Or hamstering your 'beliefs' about women into The gospel according to the (ugh) 'TheNext Prince" .... what reason does a 17yo kid have for making such sweeping statements?

It seems a number of members here are becoming annoyed with the way you talk like some alpha uber stud, and I'm not out to give you a hard time, just a Reality check!

You're only deluding yourself mate, and such behavior stems from ignorance and arrogance. What 'reasons' do you have for being this way? Are you some jock sports hero or an academic genius?

If no, then you've got "tickets on yourself" (that means you're 'betting on yourself to win') and most people with 'tickets on themselves' Lose! The smart guys aren't foolish enough to do that.

You might think yourself to be like a "hare racing a tortoise" but the Hare's arrogance caused him to Lose!

You demonstrate with your comments that you Are angry and you're (foolishly) "projecting" that anger onto women. All women, not just the ones you know --- and whilst I understand what you feel about women,, I don't agree with you.

I certainly do not 'feel' the way you do about "loving to hurt women",in fact IMHO that's about as pussy arse beta as one can get!

Domination =/= hurting, controlling or injuring. The ONLY person that anyone needs to control, is themselves.

Just becoz you think something, does not mean the rest of us do.

TBH I haven't had a 17yo tell me anything about life (and women) that I don't already know. What I have noticed is that a lot of you kids have 'tickets on themselves' aand 'think' you're a lot better than you truly are. The 'entitlement' of today's youth si not limited to females.

You think you "know ALL about that shit, but in Reality bro, I've yet to meet a teenager who did/does.

Not half an hour ago i was talking to my business partner about one of our 21yo employees who we've decided to 'let go' for exactly this reason!

You see, this guy thinks he's "worth more" money for the work he does, but he's deluded and has NO idea how well we've been looking after him, so, the only way he's going to find that out is now going to be "the hard way" by having to get work elsewhere and see how the 'rest of the world' treats him.

We actually fucked up by looking after this guy and paying him too much money for a couple of jobs

Now he expects us to continue doing so as he thinks he's something special and so he should get a similar amount all the time .... BUT that's not how things work when you're a 'contractor'

But with all that 'experience' (he doesn't have) he's deluded himself into thinking he can pressure on us to pay him more! lol! AND he's a part of my partners social scene and he's unable to see there's a clear boundary between "work and play" .... he's shitting where he eats and doesn't know it!

He's just talked himself out of a job, he just doesn't know it yet. We don't wan't to 'fire him' BUT we can't afford someone who thinks like that. As he's going to find out shortly!

As the old saying goes "you don't know what you've got until it's gone" .... that is, until you gain the experience to know better than to behave so arrogantly --- "fools rush in where angels fear to tread'

He thought, and he's Wrong! I honestly doubt he would've done this had he known what our response would be, but he assumed he was right, and as 'expectations are the basis of disappointment, he's not going to be happy when he hears the (our) Truth, coz 'the truth hurts' people who are living a lie.

I've spent an hour or so discussing this guy with my partner, and whilst we don't want to make his life harder, at this point in time we've decided, that to allow him to continue his misguided beliefs would be the worst thing we could do,, and so we've subsequently decided it's in everone's best interests to "be cruel to be kind" and "let him go" so he can get some Real Life Experience of what it's like to work for someone who DGAF about him and "just wants the work done"

And He's a fucking 6'2" HG10 with major insecurity and control issues. Girls throw themselves at him ... until he starts talking!) but at the moment, nothing we can say is going to change his mind, ergo the actions to retire him.

You, Next bro remind me of him.

"Feelings aren't Facts", and everything you base your 'opinions' on seems to be based upon your 'feelz', Not 'experiences'

What things have you ever 'loved'?

Do you 'love' your mum? Do you have any 'pastimes/hobbies' that you would say "I love doing X?"

I've got you tagged as the guy with 'minimal emotions' who thinks he might be a sociopath. You might be right.

And the way you talk about "enjoying hurting women" and believing that ALL women "want to be hurt",, are ridiculously naive beliefs,, that AFAIC stem from Ignorance and INexperience.

How can you talk "with authority" about things you've never done? ... You can't. Bro, cut the crap.

I'm a pretty fit, cut, 50yo guy who looks 40 and has fucked well over 100 women (I lost count an 70 something when i was about 25) and had 7 "live in" LTR's of more than 1yr but <3rs,,,

I think i'm in a position to speak about 'interacting with women'.

what about you? How many notches do you have in your belt at 17? (You suggest you're quite the 'player'! I have my doubts)

Your beliefs are extremely simplistic and your experience is negligable.

It's obviious to me you are very 'angry' (although I imagine this stems from your frustration with your life in general) and i can assure you, NO true Alpha who has a basic understanding of females gets phased by women, ergo sum they have NO 'reason' to be 'angry' with them.

You don't blame a tiger for behaving like a tiger, so why be angry at women for 'behaving like women'? That's foolish.

As for thinking "women are ONLY good for" sex, housekeeping and breeding, and there's NBD about having and raising kids.

Have you told your mum that? I guess you DGAF what she thinks huh? Ask her next time she makes you go to church!

Do you have a father who lives with you?

DO yourself the favor and pull your head in before some girl rips it off. (I'm only half joking!) I guess you think you're 'better' than all/an man who's been 'divorce raped' huh? lol.

Dude, I know chicks who would eat you as a snack. They'd have you by the balls quicker than you could slap their arse! sigh ... It's pretty clear you've yet to me some UberBabe and get 'cuntstruck' ... maybe you will oneday, idk.

Dudes like you, who are known to 'hate women' are the first to be accused of being "inappropriate" and there are plenty of guys in US prisons, who wish they'd never even spoken to some girls, let alone hit on them!

I guess you missed the part in the RP literature which explains how there's a fine "balance" between Alpha and Beta and that women don't ONLY want an 'alpha' guy ... they want a Man who's capable of "leading her by default",

BTW, my mother died when I was 13yo and my father died in my arms when I was 17. (after I was unable to resucistate him) and I had No choice but to 'sink or swim'. 33yrs later and there's a Lot of water under my bridge.

Most of the people I know from my youth tell me they "didn't think I would have survived this long" as I've Lived a very full life, Shit, I've 'cheated death' more times than I care to remember! The last time was about 2 mths ago.

What about you, have you even ever had a job? (btw the ONLY person you will affect here by lying, is yourself.)

TL:DR: "Argue for your limitations and they will become 'yours' " ---- and right now bro, you're 'arguing' that there's NO woman 'worthy of you' ... and guess what? You're right.

I think it's time you actually got out there and DID stuff. Talk's cheap. Experience is expensive, which is why anyone who's a professional or at the top of their field can charge what they do, people pay for the knowledge they have gained from experience.

I think I've said enough ... and I hope you're not the only guy who learns something from this post

EDIT: Update: Mick and I had a good talk with Ted this morning, and as we thought, he wasn't really aware of how badly his email went down, but once we explained how (and why) we felt 'offended' by it, he apologized and has seemed to understand out pov.

We've agreed to give it until this current job is finished, which is going to be a couple of weeks. If it's "still all good" at that time, we'll review the situation, however IF he can't bring himself to abide by our company 'policy', he'll have to find work elsewhere, for as Mick said to him;

"I'd prefer to be your friend rather than your employer, so if you can't accept how I run my business and what I pay you, then it's for the best that we part ways at work and remain friends outside of it" ... or more simply "it's nothing personal but if you don't pull ya head in and do ya job, you'll soon find you no longer have one with us!"

Ted seems to have understood this and has capitulated, however, it's his actions we'll be watching ... for as we all know here at TRP, words are cheap.

Overall it's been a very good day for all concerned, as we've probably landed a massive contract that will easily increase our turnover fourfold! so it loooks for the moment that things are going to be pretty busy for a while, but you won't hear us complaining :D I couldn''t have planned a better day if I tried! And I had tried with Mick yesterday, but we were 'winging it' mostly today! And it couldn't have worked out better

Had you told me last night what today would hold, I would've said something like "I wish!". Tonight, my sore cheeks are simply saying "Fuck Yeah! I Love this shit!"

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[–]RPmatrix 0 points1 point  (3 children)

hey bro, thanks for the very open and honest reply, it's made me change my mind about you.

I'm impressed how "self aware" you are, as this post shows, and I will now retract much of my speculation.

It wasn't easy being a teenager in my world, and I think it's even harder for younger people in todays world.

Thanks again for the honesty, after hearing that I think you're going to be fine bro, as I honestly think you're not quite the psycho I thought you might be!

TF you're here at TRP and prepared to reply to people like myself with that levelof honesty, respect bro.

It's sounds to me you're working hard to improve yourself and I hope the 'overall disgust' you feel for women dissipates with time, as IME you'll have much better time in life if you can learn how not to let anyone 'get up your nose', esp women!

I sure wasn't any Alpha stud when I was 17, I lucked out with a bunch of girls, but I sure made ALL the "beta mistakes" we read about here BUT the fact I had no parents actually went in my favor as I didn't have the pressure to 'conform', so I didn't and pretty much 'by accident' I morphed into a rather dark triad type Sigma male; I think you're more likely to be a Sigma too mate, time will tell.

It wasn't until I was 22 that I entered my first LTR, and trust me, I had many Bad moments of "BP betaness" in my teens, but by the time I was ~21-22yo I was beginning to have some pretty solid Game (I think mainly as I really enjoy the chase and 'gaming girls') but it would be another 5-6yrs until my Frame became fairly solid and it wasn't until I hit my late 30's until it had become almost 'unshakeable'.

Guys like me figured out much RP knowledge through 'trial and error', shit when I read The Game ~10yrs ago I wondered "how the fuck does this guy know 70% of MY "PU techniques" lol! I'd never had the vocabulary to discuss such things with my friends back then. The closest thing to RP thinking in my youth was the saying "treat em mean to keep em keen", a saying your "treat em like dirt and they'll stick like mud" reminded me of!

The PUA movement and later TRP philosophy has given me the words and ways to share what I know with others, as I love to see my friends succeed having TRP's resources to 'point them to' if needed is sweet.

And hey, although I've been with lots of women, I still learn new things from the knowledge of the guys in this sub all the time Or I am reminded of the things I already know but 'forgot'!. This world is basically "Pro BluePill" and so coming here really helps me with maintaining a RP mindset. Especially when I've not able to speak with the couple of good mates who I use as 'sounding boards' when I need to work out a problem or three.

As my partner jokingly said to me; "Heavy is the head that wears the Crown" lol!

TBH I think you younger guys have it much harder with women these days than I did in my time. Fortunately you've got TRP philosophy to guide you, I sure wish I'd had a bunch of guys like the ones here, to help me figure out wtf was going on in these girls heads, but again, I was lucky to have a large group of females who for some reason thought I was 'pretty cool' and taught me things I doubt I could've learnt elsewhere at that time.

IMHO I think you're going to 'pass through' this 'anger/frustration' you have once you realize how Toxic it is to you to harbor the feelings you have. If you are a sadist, there's not shortage of female masochists willing to play!

Thanks again for bothering to write that reply bro, from this point onwards "I'm on your side", and I apologize if I came across as a dick, although that was half my intention! lol :D

You're ok nexty bro, feel free to pm me if you want to ask anything of me.

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[–]juliusstreicher 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I think that I finally found somebody whose past was actually more beta than mine. Just by a notch, tho. I don't think that I ever congratulated a chicken for dumping me.

Of course, I may have, and just forgot about it. I wouldn't be surprised.

[–]Captain-Disarray 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I congratulated her for the new relationship and meant it. It wasn't a lie or Me wanting attention at that point. When you are blindly In love you justify irrational decisions. My justification was this will prove to her I love her enough to let go. And that one day she will realise that. But that's not true of course. I know that now

Hindsight is a bitch. But main thing is what is done is done. It's the past.

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez 35 points36 points  (1 child)

I accidently did the same experiment in my BP days. Was with a chick who told me that there was something different about me like there was a "halo" over my head, telling me I'm gorgeous and how much she loves my cock to, "You're too good for me" and "I don't think I'm ready right now." and blocking me on social media. Took a total of about 3 weeks.

One part I would like to emphasize for those that might not know. Letting a chick sleep over is a privilege to her, not a right, use it to your advantage. I never let my last ltr sleep over unless I was drunk and she told me how much it meant to her and how she craved it.

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HAHA. "You're too good for me", yet does everything to avoid you. This is why when you need advice on women, ask a guy who is a player, not actual women.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 52 points53 points  (6 children)

Go tell any feminist that you don't let women stay after fucking you, and they will look at you like you beat a baby to death with a rock.

What, are we not supposed to do that now?

What am I supposed to beat babies to death with, then?

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Combine your crimes;use your dick.

[–]KathrynT123 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Paper and Scissors are still allowed.

[–]Ayleir 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Dick, Paper, Scissors; The fun game for the whole family.

[–]The_Red_Paw 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Except that scissors beats dick. I don't even like the sound of that game.

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[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (2 children)

You missed the important bit- Treat her like dirt, keep her wet, and she'll stick like mud.

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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You posted on her wall 'I'm so happy to be with you' ? If a girl wrote that after a few weeks I'd probably get the fuck out of dodge too.

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Been traveling Europe for a month now. I've had TRP confirmed on numerous occasions and never before has it been so shoved in my face.

I've been grinded on and teased and demanded for by some poor military guys wife who he for some reason let travel.

I've had nice German girls who tell me they want a prince charming and only prince charming since they're past the stage of casual sex.

I even tried the whole beta approach of giving a girl time and shit only to have her bone my mate (props to him).

This is from a guy (me) with almost no experience with girls and just a itching to have good fun every night out. If you don't think TRP is an actual red pill, you absolutely need to leave your hole. The world is a fucking playground if you can see it for what it is.

[–]AngeloCiao 6 points7 points  (1 child)

The infamous beta back slide set in, "oh cos its so hard to keep up this act" you have no fucking choice it never ends, TRP and all it stands for must become so ingrained in your characther, that this slide dosent take place. 3 weeks though her vagina went from a soaking wet sponge to a crispy desert leaf. Fuck!! that is eye opening, and yet again another stark reminder to how quick they change. Day by day you have to live..

[–]George_Rockwell 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did you actually do that experiment on purpose, or is it a convenient way to frame to yourself how you failed?

I only ask because I'm skeptical. I believe you for the most part though.

[–]ratthing 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As an old, 50+ redpiller, I can tell you I've done this "experiment" a few times, but I didn't know I was doing it. Hook her with alpha behaviors, then go beta on her, only to have her hold you in contempt.

But it is a very familiar pattern to those of us who give off alpha-vibes but were beta underneath.

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I was lucky. I wasted 4 years of my life on a "Christian" volleyball player who "saved her virtue" with me and fucked like a gutter slut when she traveled with her team. I had made myself everything she said she wanted and it disgusted her. 4 years later we crossed paths and I was exactly the kind of cocky asshole she said she hated (credit: USMC) and we fucked that night. I didn't celebrate after. It broke me. My princess was a whore. Doubly so because she made sure to chant all night that she had a boyfriend before yanking me into a bathroom to suck my dick. And what did she do? She blamed me. Blamed alcohol. Said I tricked her despite her initiating. I told her that she probably shouldn't drink without her boyfriend around. Result? She fucked me sober the next night. Then called me an asshole and fucked me again before leaving town back to her man. I still couldn't connect the dots totally but this was my initial firsthand experience with TRP truths, which are preached throughout the Corps. It would be another 4 years before I found this place and the separate pieces became a whole picture. Don't squander this place and its offerings. You won't find it anywhere else and once it's gone, it's gone forever. This steady creep of BP posters and commentors needs to be stomped out. It's too much for the mods alone, the community needs to get back to self-policing. Every thread has a multitude of contributors who haven't read the sidebar and it shows. We need to take back this place before it's too late. End this purplepill bullshit. If it isn't core principle, it shouldn't fly here. Until we purge this place of "false prophets", the doubting will continue.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Before 18. Only took til 24 to get my shit together.

[–]MorpheusGodOfDreams 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I find that a lot of guys that absolutely NEED TRP are the ones that have been completely brainwashed by a super feminized beta Christian upbringing. They need to realize that the New Testament is a literal manual for creating beta men, while all the Pure Blood Red can be found in the Old Testament. If anyone here is interested in discussing the bible from a Red Pill Lens, shoot me a PM.

Ecclesiastes 7:28 while I was still searching but not finding-- I found one upright man among a thousand, but not one upright woman among them all.

[–]aRedThought 5 points6 points  (1 child)

At a bar the other day I got a known hoe's attention, asking her "are you free next week"

She said she was and "why?"

I simply replied "I'll text you." She shot me the look and said sure or something similar. She knows what's up.

I few years ago blue pill me would have never understood or god forbid actually had the gall to try that. Guys, women put men into two categories: Either you get it or you don't.

Get with the program people.

[–]UrbanBanger 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Exceptional example.

Nail hit hard on the head, very hard.

[–]nocrustpizza 6 points7 points  (3 children)

would you be willing to continue experiment and find out if you can "win" her back?

[–]TheThingsIThink 3 points3 points [recovered]

why? she's a cheater. she already stray. he needs to fuck her friends

[–]nocrustpizza 7 points8 points  (0 children)

why? as an experiment, to continue to learn

[–]NeoreactionSafe 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah it's really very simple.

Women want the same masculine polarity we want, but say they want the opposite.

 

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What a fucking ridiculous post. I would cringe way more but I just can't believe this is serious.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The second part of your comment is where you state the issue you take with it so it can be discussed. Otherwise this is a meaningless comment.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm pointing out what a joke this sub has turned into

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It's hardly a joke. This community still does a lot of good for a lot of men. It has suffered a definite downturn lately. Either the mods can't outpace the stupidity or they've given up on trying to. That leaves it to users like you and me, with time invested here, to do what we can to offset the bullshit. Pouting in the corner and complaining about the state of things while doing nothing is bitch behavior. Downvote retardation, report troll or bullshit comments and posts and discuss core principles so others can see. If you don't, we will lose this community.

[–]mehdreamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

TRP is very effective as a sexual strategy....but if 90% of men on earth follow its principles, it will be the end for humanity. It's a dead end for human procreation.

You can't build solid families with kids while following TRP.. That's why, to me at least...swallowing the red pill was hard...because I knew I will never live with someone and deeply connect with her and have kids...

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Holy shit. Great experiment.

[–]Atuli 12 points13 points  (4 children)

I'm sort of sceptical that this guy did the whole thing as an "experiment" especially if he was still on the fence about rp. Probably went beta then hampstered that it was intentional after it fucked up.

[–]LazyMagus 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Useful experience for us, nonetheless?

[–]askmrcia 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm not. I did the same thing as an experiment around last year. Had a girl totally in to me, but friends and family kept saying I treated her like shit and that I needed to treat her better. So I did. Sent good morning texts, let her stay over, tagged her in photos on social media, ect...

All it did was cause her to resent me and she gave me the whole "I'm busy excuse" which later lead to her saying she no longer finds me attractive.

After it happened, I rubbed it in everyone faces telling them "see this is why I don't like treating women with respect."

[–]stawek -1 points0 points  (1 child)

In all honesty it all sounds completely made up.

[–]RPmatrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i think it''s half true. The chick was probably a chunky B5 which was why she was so obsessed. Maybe this was the OP's "long con P'n D" and going beta was the '3 week long soft next' lol

I'm open on this one, truth is stranger than fiction IME!

[–]Il128 2 points2 points [recovered]

It's summer. I rarely post here now because the sub is flooded with BP but NAWALT shit.

LTR just take away from a man focusing on himself. They are not good for you.

Marriage is outdated horse shit. Any man who does it is ruining his life.

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[–]TheThingsIThink -1 points-1 points [recovered]

Women are useless outside of sex and housekeeping, and children.

This is more of a pick one of three. At most pick two. Where are these snipes you've found?

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[–]1Paid_Internet_Troll 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Mother material, doesn't exist.

Technically incorrect.

Even alley cats manage to pump out a few liters of kittens and keep most of them alive past infancy...

...so "mother material" isn't a very high bar.

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[–]1Paid_Internet_Troll 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I know what you meant, but seriously, dumb forest animals manage to pump out babies, so pumping out a kid ain't no big deal.

Now, you probably really meant mother material as in a woman with her shit together enough to raise your kids right... well, in today's social/political climate in the West, there ain't no such thing.

They aren't even your kids. They're her kids, and yoy're just the sperm donor who's allowed to live there until she decides it's time for you to go.

So, if you just want babies, then pump-and-dump using an assumed name.

If you want your chikdren raised right, then hire a surogate to pump em out and a nanny/housekeeper to raise them, so if she acts up you simply fire her and go get another.

If you can't afford a surogate and a nanny, then you definitely can't afford a divorce/alimony/child support.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

what the fuck is this meme shit, Are you a bot?

[–]RedPillHanSolo -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Shhh man, you're killing BP hamsters with what you say. I fucking swear, some people on this sub just want validation, not actual awakening, downvoting anything that doesn't fall into their little model of the world

[–]Jakei34 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The fact that you experimented to see if what being said here is true and got your answer. Smart move

[–]2awalt_cupcake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Goddamn I'm 23 and it's like looking into a crystal ball of what I could fucking be by now

[–]VanityKings 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Good post.
As much as I realize women are nothing special and are inferior to men in most ways, I often times treat them with kidness regardless of whether or not they deserve it.
I don't think it's so much the blue pill upbringing my parents and society forced upon me from a young age, rather, I believe internally I just pity women because they aren't men and do them small niceties from time to time.
I think women today are more hateful that they aren't the better sex, and if I'm being completely honest I don't really see what any man would need from a woman aside from sex and child-rearing.
Mostly everything else I or my mates can do better with a lot less bitching

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[–]VanityKings 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Pretty much. I don't particularly enjoy spending time with a woman out side the bedroom, my male friends are a lot more capable and a lot easier to deal with.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It just looks like you became needy and drove her away. In your test you became a different person.

How long did the "relationship" with her last?

[–]boscoist 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Its not who you are you underneath but what you do that defines you.

[–]ikal7 0 points1 point  (13 children)

Sorry for this dumb question but I'm kinda fresh on here and hav seen it everywhere. What's a "Chad"?

[–]1Paid_Internet_Troll 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's a stereotype.

The hot, sexy, emotionally-unavailable guy that women dream of cheating on thier boyfriends with.

[–]askmrcia 4 points5 points  (9 children)

What the other guy said, but I always think of Chad as the hot varsity all state qb of his high school team that drives his dad's bmw. Basically the stereotypical jock you see in cartoons and teen movies growing up. You know the guy that bullies the Nerds shoving them in locker rooms.

To red pill community its what the other user said. However, I suggest being very careful when talking about Chad because the Chad's get cheated on alot as well. The Chad isn't God as some red pill guys will have you believe.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

There's nothing really Alpha about bullying nerds though, it shows massive insecurity and is pretty beta.

[–]askmrcia 1 point2 points  (4 children)

To you it does. Remember the bullies had the hot cheerleader girls.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children)

So treating a Nerd like shit just because it gets the girls makes it "Alpha"? In those television shows, the nerds also end up winning the cheerleaders. It's the jock's looks, social status and other factors that get the girl - the fat ugly bully who treats nerds like shit doesn't get the girl because he has no redeeming quality.

In real life, jocks are nothing like the TV versions, in the sense that real life jocks don't push kids into lockers.

Bullying is not really an Alpha trait, it is pretty pathetic to think it is.

[–]askmrcia 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Doesn't matter what your definition is. I'm saying the stereotypical "Chad" is the QB varsity guy that bullies the nerds and has the hot cheerleaders. Those were "alphas" according to the TV shows and cartoons. Those guys that bullied people always had the friends and hot women around them. They were the ones throwing the parties. So yes, ALPHA.

I completely understand that in real life jocks are nothing like the TV versions. I played high school and college football myself lol.

At the same time, you can't take the idea of this "Chad" guy that people on the Red Pill talk about so much as the guy that all the girls want. People here describe Chad as what the other guy said. But, he's not the ONLY type of guy getting women. The guy asked "what is a Chad."

I told you my perception of a "Chad." Him being just a bully doesn't make one. Him being the the most popular kid in school and can get away with bullying is what makes him a "Chad."

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

From a TV perspective, yeah, those guys would be 'Alpha' - but it's not the bullying that made them Alpha, it's the social status, social skills, frame, etc that makes them Alpha, the specific act of bullying, is not Alpha whatsoever. That was my point

Anyway, Chad varies a lot. There's Rockstar Chad, there's CEO Chad, there's fitness instructor Chad, there's professor Chad, etc. So many different ways of being Alpha.

[–]askmrcia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I completely agree, but most guys here act like Chad is a jock with muscles who bangs all the girls. I told you my version of Chad. But yes, overall you're correct

[–]mehdreamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

w the guy that bullies the Nerds shoving them in locker rooms.

Well, I don't agree because he doesn't commit to any girl..so technically speaking you can't cheat on a chad..because he's not with you anyway.

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Chad Thundercock, or Chad for short. He's the natural alpha. He's tall, fit, popular etc. The whole world just seems to fall at his feet without him having to even lift a finger. He's always hooking up with girls left and right because he's maxxed out on SMV. Everyone knows Chad, but extremely few are Chad. Most had to build their personas. Learn from mistakes. Chad doesn't even know what he does right, he just does what he wants and it works for him. A natural. Chad is the guy your girl fucks against the dumpster while you're buying her a drink at the bar. "Sorry baby, the bathroom line was just so long!" If you're not Chad, you have to work for everything you get.

[–]ApiVat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude, really good field report. However im interested which part did you enjoy more. Did you try something in the middle?

[–]HangryHipppo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well no shit, you do a complete 180 and she gets weirded out.

Going from acting like you lack a soul to being completely in love with her in a week or two is going to chase anyone with a brain off.

[–]ELLEN_POO 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's not that black and white though. Like, girls like this often settle with BB. So what does this story really tell? Would RP be false if she had settled with you when you want from AF to BB?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If she stuck with him through boyh behavior patterns, it means she loved him. However, what we all know full well here is that love does not exist. A woman doesn't love you, she loves either what you do for her (BB) or how you make her feel (AF). OP's girl is still miles from the wall so her focus is currently on feels. It literally is that black and white.

[–]SullyBeard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fuck man, I'm dealing with some shit right now and these testimonials are the kind of thing that helps.

[–]ecosci 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The one thing that you didnt add was making sure you had options you have to peel women off you if they feel you have hot women after you i have a sexy friend and people think were together and these sluts throw themselves at me because of her.

[–]icecow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You see, the problem is you can't be advised by a woman on what it is a woman wants in a relationship. They don't know. They think they do, but the things they claim are NOT going to get you laid.

A man asking a woman what she wants in a man is like asking a five year old what she wants to be when she grows up. Same goes with relationships.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It sounds like you were initially swallowing the pill, caught oneitis, spit the pill out, got played, and am now swallowing the pill again. It's not an issue, it just sounds kinda douchey that it was "all an experiment". Or maybe I still have something to learn, that Red Pill'd really like to spend their time proving their echo chamber true instead of embracing the chaos.

And I don't mean this to be antagonistic, I began alienating a plate recently because of oneitis. It's a powerful drug.

[–]KartagoPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh a fellow scientist.

I also fucked cute UNICORN for me, 18 years old. She was so hot. So I fake alpha for 6 months. She was in heaven. Then for the sake of my future I give her MEGA SHIT TEST, I turn into beta intentionally. If she stays I'm with her all my life.

Guess what. She found next boyfriend fucking fast. like a 2 weeks.

So unicorns don't exist for me. They just another WORK.

[–]ggpurehope 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like I'm reading my story :) But for me it was like 1 week. Trollops everywhere.

[–]Kagnat -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

This is one trolly shitpost. Reasons:

  1. " a position of humility" -absolutely hilarious

  2. what is even being said here? The anecdotal example reads like a poorly formatted field report

  3. TLDR first post on sidebar under Theory

What happened to post bashing shitposts that rehashed the sidebar so disgracefully? These pure humble brags seem to really be turning RP into a circlejerk. I used to feel like I learned so much here, but the quality of the average top page post has been such shit for months

At least I explained my downvote.

[–]1Paid_Internet_Troll 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I found value in his relating his experiences.

I found no value in your post. Now I've explained my downvote too.

[–]graffix13 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Like StrongBoy said, the laws are already written. What comes now are basically Field Reports. Which I enjoy reading because it gives real life examples of TRP working (for all the non-believers).

[–]juliusstreicher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not only that, it gives positive reinforcement, which is essential in a learning context.

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    [–]EvilPenName 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Read No More Mister Nice Guy. If you are just coming out of a relationship a lot will ring in your head.

    [–]ratthing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    "Start reading this subreddit and the sidebar stuff" is good advice, but it is confusing at first.

    Its confusing because it's all a mix of different perspectives on the red pill. But your job is to read it all, re-read it, and figure out for yourself how it fits into your life.

    I think you'll find the core "truths" to be true. The challenge is to figure out how those core truths will affect your view of yourself and your relationships. Your view of women will change, and will ultimately fall somewhere between wariness and utter contempt.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    People start from different places, have different strengths and weaknesses, different wrong ideas, so it can't be definite. Personally, I would read The Rational Male (the book), IllimitableMan's website, The book of Pook in the sidebar, and Black Dragon's blog if you are interested in the mechanics of relationships. Whether books like No More Mr Nice Guy is helpful depends on whether it addresses a problem you have (it didn't for me, but other people swear by it).

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    You had to replicate it to believe it. At least now you know that its real.

    [–]CornyHoosier 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    You see, the problem is you can't be advised by a woman on what it is a woman wants in a relationship.

    As a male only-child raised by a single mother ... nothing truer can be said.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Like I always tell people, if you want to know how to attract more women, don't ask another women. Ask the guy who sleeps with tons of women.

    [–]PastorRandyWednesday -2 points-1 points  (12 children)

    I've been happily married for 8 years. I'm the one who got my wife into cuckoldry.

    For being a living God, you sure are whiny.

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    [–]PastorRandyWednesday -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    Yes, I would imagine these are the forms of experiments a man would do when he's not good enough for science.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children)

    ....as in, you encouraged her to fuck other men?

    [–]PastorRandyWednesday 0 points1 point  (8 children)

    Yes, she's slept with 5 other guys from our church. Not at the same time though, that would be a little gay.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children)

    I would encourage you to stick to the sidebar material for now. Input from an open and willing cuckold isn't in line with the purposes of this sub nor all that welcome.

    [–]PastorRandyWednesday 0 points1 point  (6 children)

    Excuse me, but I thought this was for men's rights. I'm under the impression that as men, we have the right to voice our opinions and work through our disagreements. Silencing those who disagree with you is a female trait, so I suggest you check your behavior.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

    You're in the way wrong sub for MRA bullshit, buddy. This is very much not a free speech zone. We have a very narrow focus here and that focus is breaking men free of the trap you have willingly jumped dick-first into with a smile.

    [–]PastorRandyWednesday 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    Listen, pal, if you're trying to break free of the trap, then why are you acting all emotional and without reason?

    I'm here to train men how to stop acting like women. I suggest you start paying for my services.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    You're in an oprn cuckold relationship with your spouse. You have nothing to offer anyone here.

    [–]PastorRandyWednesday -1 points0 points  (2 children)

    Correction, mate, I'm in a swinger relationship with my wife, it involves both of us cuckolding occasionally. Not that it matters, but I've slept with more women than any other man here. Since this board is mainly about bitching and moaning about not getting laid enough, I'd say I have a lot to offer here. So best listen to Uncle Randy, my friend.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    You let other men fuck your wife. The rest is irrelevant. You are a cuckold and no one to emulate or admire.

    [–]Seducibledotcom -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

    Speaking of zoo, am I the only one that sees a TRP significance in that Gorilla that was just killed(Harambe) because another monkey fell into his enclosure?

    [–]mifbifgiggle -1 points0 points  (5 children)

    so you have a sample size of...one. Are you saying there are no women out there who don't fit this mould? do i have to prove you wrong?

    Maybe you'll at least concede that not all women are like this, but then you'll say it's only the ugly ones because they're desperate. Yeah, there are no good women in this world, right? Even if 50% of women fit the trp description, which is a ridiculously high estimate, you're still wrong.

    Just because women like you because you're attractive doesn't mean that all women only care about looks and "alphaness"

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    Literally all of them. Whether they recognize it or not, the drive to separate the men they extract genetic material from and the men they choose to provide for them is a natural impulse. You may not like it, but AWALT.

    [–]mifbifgiggle -1 points0 points  (3 children)

    How would an ugly short guy with no money have a committed relationship then? A woman who dates such a man has no desire to either "extract genes" or have him provide for her. Emotional attraction is a thing, you know.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Emotional provision is still provision. You assume, almost certainly incorrectly, that when provided the opportunity to have sex with a higher quality male or jump to a man with greater provision capability (say, emotion AND money) that she will remain with him. She won't. Such a man is "home base." He's the safe point for her to jump back to if she fails to secure something better. Such a man should insist on paternity testing if his girl gets pregnant.

    [–]mifbifgiggle -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    So no woman would care if cheating would hurt their SO's feelings?

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    No. Any thought regarding such things would be fleeting at best. Women are bound by current emotions, not future or past ones. If she feels good in the moment, that's what she'll care about.