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Men's RightsHave Proof Before And After Sex (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by _Sedation_

Always use a voice recorder before and after sex. U should get into the habit of doing it, you never know what might happen a couple weeks or a month after.

I was hit with a false allegation, I told the detective I will not speak unless I have an attorney, I was never charged, but they wanted to speak to me. I'm in the US.

I met this girl, liked her, chilled, etc. Cool covos n shit. I knew she was a slut, I did not care, she tried to hide it. I'm not the type of person to bring people down, unless i must.

We were both in highschool and walked home together, we chilled at a park and we fucked in the women's bathroom. I walked in there to piss, she pulled me into the stall. Got down to business.

She liked it, eventually we grew apart and we was on to the next. Couple months later a detective calls and tells me I have a rape allegation.

I had no evidence and after I met with the detective and told, I would not speak unless I have a lawyer, i thought I was fucked.

Found evidence on her Instagram and I was ready

Never got a call back from the detective. I never thought I'd be hit with an allegation, I was one of those "What are the odds"

Beware of religious women, strap up, and have proof.


[–]jclaytonc 1 points1 points [recovered]

The next I like to text, “I had a great time,” so that they respond that they did too. Screenshot.

[–]_Sedation_ 201 points202 points  (13 children)

Nice, definitely using this.

[–]Dmva100 1 points1 points [recovered]

Just don't mention SEX, even of she says something about how much she liked you big cock.

You can still deny the sexual act itself in the worst case scenario, but you can't backpedal once you say mmmm your pussy was so gooodd

[–]docshay 30 points31 points  (10 children)

Don't post here often, but wouldn't you want to be specific in this case?

[–]mattizie 99 points100 points  (8 children)

No.

If you do that, you're admitting to sex, and all they need to prove is that it was not consensual. "I changed my mind halfway through, but he didn't stop."

If you keep shtum, they first have to prove you had sex in the first place, which is even more effort, and thus the whole thing is likely to get thrown in the "too hard" basket.

Also if you are specific, but some details are either wrong; or different than what she says and they take her word over yours, you've just discredited yourself.

Search "don't talk to cops" on YouTube, there is a great video that explains all of it.

[–]BoskOfPortKar 63 points64 points  (2 children)

Search "don't talk to cops" on YouTube

NEVER EVER TALK TO COPS.

They are not your friends. On the contrary.

[–]DaunStar 5 points6 points  (1 child)

*Don't talk to cops if you have been accused of something*

Cops are people too. But yeah, if they are carrying out in pursuit of an investigation, shut your mouth.

[–]NomBok 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I'll add to that. One big reason you don't want to be specific is in case she doesn't respond at all. And, even if she does, don't underestimate the court/jury's ability to gobble up the most absurd bullshit ever.

Example 1 - Text: "Had a great time having sex!" Response: None

A year later in court: "He sent that to taunt me!"

Example 2 - Text: "Had a great time having sex!" Response: "Yea same!"

In court: "I said that because I was scared" / "He made me send that!"

[–]kendallb183 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had a great time having sex with you... now all she has to do is say she never agreed to it and she has proof you did fuck her.

[–]Heizenbrg 19 points20 points  (1 child)

What if she didn't have a great time?

[–]suxxos 7 points8 points  (6 children)

What if she doesn't reply or is all like "nah, it sucked actually"?

[–]Htowngetdown 38 points39 points  (1 child)

That’s when you go back to the gym 👍

[–]vitamann 14 points15 points  (3 children)

That's a lot better than a false rape allegation. I'll take that response all day.

[–]BuddhistSC 11 points12 points  (2 children)

What if she responds with that and also accuses you of rape?

[–]vitamann 0 points1 point  (1 child)

By the reply itself, and even continuing the conversation she sets herself up. If she had really been raped, she would have completely shut down and you'd only be speaking with the cops or her lawyer.

[–]BuddhistSC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure a jury would see it that way.

[–]FARTBOX_DESTROYER 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Surely you don't think that would actually work in a court room?

[–]110101010101011 1 point2 points  (2 children)

In many scenarios text messages are not valid evidence, as they can be fakes. The cell carrier does log valid messages for a few days though.

I understand that this is a little helpful when you are not needing to prove innocence, since you are innocent until proven guilty. Still, seeing it pushed in many threads, repeatedly, with no evidence it works in an actual court is questionable.

Recording consent, even where it is questionable, is really the only protection you should be using.

[–]FARTBOX_DESTROYER 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Whether or not it's valid as evidence isn't the point. The point is "I had a good time" does not mean "I consented to sex".

[–]Pestilence1911 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Innocent until proven guilty doesnt exist.

They remand you to jail and yoy plea your case from there

[–]Pestilence1911 1 point2 points  (1 child)

"She was ontop the whole time"

My buddy got hit with a false rape accusation. The story itself is halarious but id need a PC amd motivation to look up the three articles.

Tldr the chick makes out with the school pariah, cries rape so she doesnt lose social status, and then they all go to court and holy fuck.

"Right around the point private pyle blew his brains out she started playing footsie with me"

And when the judge scolded the crown. "NAUGHTY NAUGHTY." (borat voice)

Defense lawyer: "Did you kiss him" (2 min silence) "No" Four witnesses stated otherwise, she lost all credability. False accusations can be funny sometimes. Spending 11 days in solitary conefinement because a woman accuses you of something, aint cool kids.

Saw the REAL victum post a fb status on the aniversiry, the fucking chick send him a kissy face emojii; and its been like 7 years.

Women are straight fucked. They will put you in jail for two years as opposed to getting in trouble and losing social status for skipping school on 420 and getting stoned.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nice. Thank you for sharing this. Will use.

[–]MegaMcFisty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had the exact same idea before. Glad to know it's put to the test. It's perfect.

[–]1Zanford 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well phrased, "I had a great time" is vague (doesn't say 'great sex' etc.) so it would be hard for it to be used against you

[–]grewapair 348 points349 points  (58 children)

I'm convinced this is the only way to handle a false rape accusation. Don't say it was consensual, because now you've admitted to having sex and all they have to do is show lack of consent. If you say "I want to talk to a lawyer, and I don't want to talk to you to protect my constitutional rights", they basically have nothing at all and give up.

Never say anything at all. You basically win if you do that.

[–]KrAzyDrummer 38 points39 points  (2 children)

I'm pretty sure it was posted in this sub, but there was a great video of a lawyer lecturing on why you should never say anything to the cops and always lawyer up immediately.

[–]falecf4 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Yup, I mentioned it at some point and someone else commented with the video link. It's a lawyer and a cop giving their points on dealing with police. The lawyer argues that you NEVER talk to police, especially if you're innocent, and the cop said he more or less agreed with everything the lawyer had said.

Look it up on YouTube. It's some college lecture.

[–]Andgelyo 37 points38 points  (46 children)

Can you elaborate on why we “win” if we don’t say anything? Never ever had this kind of trouble, hope I never will, but I’m just curious. Are you essentially saying all cops are out to prove you wrong just so they can fill quota?

[–]grewapair 149 points150 points  (37 children)

They have the burden of proof. They need at least *something* more than just the woman's word.

Don't give them that something and they really don't have anything to go on.

If you say "she's a liar", that proves you know her pretty well. Theyll make a big deal about that to a jury. If you just shut the hell up and ask for your attorney, there's virtually no chance they'll even take it to trial.

Shut the hell up and ask for your attorney. I don't care if the God Damn cop asks you for the time of day. Shut the hell up and ask for your attorney. That's literally the only way to deal with the cops.

There's no quota. The cop is sent to get anything they can use at trial. If you don't give them that, the DA will basically tell the girl, look, there's nothing more than your word on this and my boss will never let me waste the money on a trial this weak. He didn't even admit to knowing you before he asked for his attorney, because the only thing any Male now says to a cop is "I want to talk to my lawyer, I wont talk to you to protect my rights under the constitution".

[–]Andgelyo 95 points96 points  (6 children)

So the literal meaning of “anything you say can and will be used against you” holds true then. Thanks. Scary shit.

[–]Raknith 63 points64 points  (3 children)

The real important word in that sentence is "WILL".

[–]Kensei91 30 points31 points  (2 children)

Yes. Police's job is only to gather enough evidence to build a case "against you" never "for you" ever no matter what frame they try to convince you into to answer them.

They are legally allowed to lie to you.
You are legally obliged to tell them the truth and any lie you tell will be fucking used against you.
Never EVER feel the need to tell your side to the story EVER to the police, that is you attorney's job in court.
You are never declared innocent in a police intervew ever ! even if you manage to convince the detective he cannot definately declare you innocent.

[–]Churn 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Also, even if you tell the cops something fantastically in your favor it can not be used to help you. At trial your lawyer can ask the cop, “so what did my defendant tell you that convinced you of his innocence?” Before the cop can answer the DA will object that this is hearsay and the judge won’t allow it.

So nothing you say will ever help you.

[–]Pestilence1911 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"The interogation of micheal crowe"

Kid admitted he murdered his sister after...coersive...interogation. Very good movie and a story we should all read.

[–]SelfUnmadeMan 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This is why they are legally required to tell you that... because it is literally true.

[–]Cozc 27 points28 points  (4 children)

I dont know how it is now, but when my grandfather was a cop 40 years ago there was quotas and bonuses for numbers.

They would also take you in the showers and beat you with a hose if they didnt like you, so thankfully some things are different these days lmao

[–]grewapair 15 points16 points  (0 children)

There's always pressure on cops to make an arrest in every case, and to provide enough evidence that the guy pleads it. But if you shut the hell up, the cop has no probable cause and no evidence. He'll move on to a more promising suspect in a different case: he knows he can't win them all.

[–]The_Sloth_Racer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There are still quotas and numbers but it's illegal so they're not supposed to so they do it secretly now. I live in Mass and a few months ago it was leaked to the news when one local police department sent emails to their officers telling them they needed to arrest more people and fill out more tickets for that month and certain officers then forwarded those emails to the news station. So even though quotas are technically illegal, it's still common.

[–]CaptZ -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

Yeah, they beat you in public now and shoot you if you're not the "right" color.

[–]Cozc 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah I know, those evil white people amiright? Ask Harvard University economist Roland G. Fryer Jr., an African-American, about how his study found that even if it is justifiable, such as an officer being physically attacked, police were 20% less likely to shoot the suspect if they were not white, and that officers were "... more likely to fire without having first been attacked if the suspects were white."

Im sure it has nothing to do with certain groups disproportionately committing crimes, as NCVS data shows that black men are up to 3 times as likely to commit a violent crime as a white man.

[–]Glitsh 13 points14 points  (16 children)

So do I need to have a lawyer already or how does the getting a lawyer part work?

[–]grewapair 41 points42 points  (14 children)

The cop needs probable cause to make an arrest. If all he has is the accusation, and then your complete silence, he has no probable cause. No lawyer needed, because the cop really cant arrest you with just a bare unsupported accusation. That's what appears to have happened to OP.

If they had DNA evidence, they already have probable cause (or the cop is a dick and has nothing), and the cop is just questioning you to fish for more evidence, you'd have two routes after your arrest. If you can bond out, you hire a lawyer at that point. If you're broke, theyll appoint a public defender.

With nothing more than an accusation, and your total silence, if they actually brought it to a PD, you'd be out in an hour, all charges dismissed. Your lawyer will have the charges dismissed in 30 seconds.

Shut the hell up, and don't talk to your cellmate. He's likely a cop, or a snitch. Talk about baseball or the weather. Tell them you have no idea why you were arrested, but it might have something to do with the Lindbergh kidnapping.

[–]123t123t 29 points30 points  (6 children)

Adding on to this since I've dealt with a situation similar before. A lawyer is nice if you can afford it but you can literally say "I'm not answering any of your questions and this is the last word I will speak from here on out." if a cop comes to speak to you at your house, on the sidewalk or at the station and then stare blankly at them while they try to get you to say another word. You don't need a lawyer to remain silent and you damn sure don't have to talk. It is important that if you choose to remain silent that you remain COMPLETELY silent as I believe if you answer any questions (even if they are about the weather) it is consent to having a conversation and it ends up keeping you there longer.

A detective told our criminal Justice class something like 50% of all murders would be unsolvable if people adhered to their rights and kept their mouth shut. Let that sink in and remember it.

[–]PeterJohn72 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Agree with everything said here. Also would like to add:

"Am I being detained, or am I free to go?" Those are golden words to drill into your brain.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Making a note in my book then.

[–]Orochimaru331 1 points1 points [recovered]

What happens when cops harass you for information? Physically harm you or physically try to detain you. Can you get away from at that point or do I need to shut the fuck up and wait for my lawyer?

[–]Casanova-Quinn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let them do it, and wait for your lawyer. It’s not worth it to fight back or run, that’s just a faster way to prison.

[–]123t123t 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If this scenario were real I would hope you could withstand a little pain and keep your mouth shut to stay out of jail lmao. Seeing how my life (and probably yours also) does not resemble a James Bond movie, we probably don't have to worry about being physically harmed to incriminate ourselves. However, if you are physically detained the above advice still holds true: don't say a word. Even under detention it is well within your rights to say nothing.

[–]midnightreider 14 points15 points  (3 children)

About that last part, do they really put cops in the cells to fish for information?

[–]grewapair 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Yes. There were a number of constitutional law cases over its legality, and it was deemed legal.

[–]The_Sloth_Racer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes, it happens all the time or they pay off informants to do their dirty work. Have you never watched Dateline or 48 Hours? Many murder cases that went unsolved for years have been solved this way.

[–]PaulMurrayCbr 1 points1 points [recovered]

If all he has is the accusation, and then your complete silence, he has no probable cause.

Yes he does. He has an accusation given to a police officer, or an affidavit of some kind. "Officer, I saw that man rob a bank" is probable cause that that man may very well indeed have robbed a bank.

[–]grewapair 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That accusation works because people don't go around screaming other people robbed a bank because they are mad at them. A rape case is very different, and without some other evidence, a rape case would never make it to trial. So a cop would usually need more.

[–]PaulMurrayCbr 1 points1 points [recovered]

They have the burden of proof. They need at least something more than just the woman's word.

Do they? Sworn testimony is evidence. It depends on the jury. If the woman can turn on the waterworks on the stand, and maybe the police have mobile phone records that indicate that you were at least in the area, a jury may very well be convinced beyond reasonable doubt.

[–]Lawsomepossom 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Waterworks and "at least in the area" are a big jump to "beyond reasonable doubt." And your sworn testimony against hers is evidence as well, so all they'll have is two opposing stories and no proof.

[–]CaptZ 3 points4 points  (1 child)

They need a warrant to get location data now. Supreme Court just ruled on it.

[–]AudioAssassyn 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is gospel. Many people don't understand you are NOT required to answer any question from an officer or detective. None. You are under no oath and you owe no answer. So do not give any, in any way, shape, or form. The ONLY time you are required to answer questions (and they're really pretty much only yes or no questions) is if you've been sworn in on an oath in front of a jury of your peers.

[–]thetotalpackage7 0 points1 point  (1 child)

the trouble is they will have evidence of sex if she goes to cops the next day. even though it was consensual, your DNA will be there and the law will know you had sex.

[–]grewapair 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, but you'd get off for lack of bruising. Most false rapes have no physical evidence at all, just a bare accusation.

[–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Kinda. Watch this. Its basically required watching. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Mirandize yourself out loud slowly and see how it sounds and then consider that the person who is putting the cuffs on you is only telling you those things because they are required by law, and otherwise they would not. The law enforcement system and criminal justice system are machines, and they are programmed to work. They are a hammer, and they function to see if everything they run across can act as a nail.

"You have the right to remain silent. Anything, ANYTHING you DO or SAY......CAN........ and WILL be used AGAINST YOU in a COURT OF LAW.".

I'm sure most police and judges and prosecutors are nice people in their personal lives but when it comes to work they are just one of many cogs in a big machine and are there to do their job and go home, and their job is to run a person through the machine to see if the machine and determine they're a criminal......

and the machine IS NOT PERFECT. Its like a wood chipper...its great at taking brush and turning it into mulch but if make an error and feed it a person or a human limb it'll grind that up too.

[–]simplisticallysimple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

YES. They don't give a shit about truth. They want to bump their arrest numbers up. DON'T GIVE INTO THEM. They're mostly pigs. They don't CARE. They presume you're guilty anyway. THEY'RE REMUNERATED BASED ON # OF ARRESTS; DON'T BE AN EASY TARGET.

Avoid and ignore them, and if they box you in, LITERALLY remain silent. Not a single word to say ANYTHING.

[–]eaazzy_13 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not just so they can fill quota, but because it’s their job. Their job is to charge people with crimes, not determine who is innocent and who is not. That’s the job of lawyers.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The police only want a conviction. They are under pressure to "improve" their sexual assault conviction rate. They assume you're guilty and don't care if not.

As said above: don't admit to sex. If she can show she might have been drunk you've got a big fucking problem. If she can't prove sex, it's much better for you.

[–]backtothebeginning11 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Is this a US-only thing because of your constitutional rights?

Wondering if this would also work in the UK.

[–]BackVan 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You have far more rights as a US citizen than you do in the UK. For one thing, the US Constitution and Bill Of Rights ensures all citizens have certain rights when being investigated, arrested and tried for a criminal conviction.

Think about it this way - the establishment had to create a whole branch of pseudo-law to get around the constitutional rights of the accused (Title IX on college camuses) as the protections given by the constitution are so strong. In the UK, this is not necessary, as the police and courts can and do pretty much whatever they like. In theory we have the ECHR, but the law is so loose and vague that the only people who can benefit from it are those with access to very expensive lawyers, which usually turn out to be terrorists or those associated to terrorists. It also doesn't help that the prosecution routinely fail to disclose vital evidence that would help the accused.

If you are suspected of any kind of criminal offence against a woman, you will likely be immediately arrested. There is also a good chance you will be held in remand if it is a serious allegation (rape, etc.). The value of testimony is much higher in the UK courts compared to the States, especially if she can convince her friends to testify as well (happens more often than you might think). The police will not exercise discretion - that is reserved for senior BBC employees and members of an unnamed religion. It is likely that you will have to do any explaining in front of a judge.

My advice would be to politely cooperate with the police, but do not mention anything about the case to them. You have the right to a solicitor in the police station - use it. Even if it is only the court appointed one. Do not agree to being questioned until you have consulted with your solicitor, and have the solicitor in the room with you. The police will push you hard to forego the solicitor - do not give in and insist on their presence. Even if they say you will need to be kept in the cell for a few more hours, go with the solicitor.

Something else, if you are innocent and you are given the option to go with Magistrates amor the Crown Court, always go with the crown. This will be more expensive (you will need a barrister) but this gives you the right to a jury trial. Magistrates courts are a joke.

Text messages are useful evidence, along with photos, social media, etc. This is because a woman making a false accusation is likely to: 1) Embellish the story about how 'scared' she is of you, and; 2) Wait a while before deciding to make the accusation. Having these messages can be used to poke holes in her story - e.g. why is she laughing and enjoying herself in photographs with you, when she claimed she is so scared of you she had to hide?

Such hole-poking can be incredibly useful, especially in a jury trial where the jurors will not be bound by pro-women politics as much as the magistrates / judges.

[–]backtothebeginning11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's sad how one-sided the whole affair is.

Thanks for the detailed response.

Edit: Do you think a voice recording would be legal and/or useful?

[–]The_Sloth_Racer -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

UK citizens actually have way more rights. I live in the US but learned this when I was watching a documentary about how many people here in the US give false confessions and get convicted, only to have to fight for years while locked up to prove their innocence. The news/documentary crew hired a former UK detective to watch the police interviews and the "confessions" and he talked about how many things went wrong and how the UK had recently changed their laws to limit false confessions and limit what police could do to get confessions or arrests. It was very eye opening because in the past, I never understood how someone could confess to a crime they didn't commit, especially a serious crime like murder, but the countless videos they showed, illustrated how easy it is for a trained police officer to get someone to falsely confess. This is why they say to always keep your mouth shut, especially if you're innocent.

[–]sd463d 1 points1 points [recovered]

You are very incorrect FYI.

[–]backtothebeginning11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Care to expand? I'm wondering what my rights are as a Brit.

[–]1Zanford 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Correct. 5th Amendment all the way.

[–]I_am_Jax_account 310 points311 points  (51 children)

jesus. But, good work on not talking to the police. And for everyone else, remember to say NOTHING. Not even, "no I wasn't even at 'x's house on that day". Not even, "I never even talked to so and so". Because, the cop could find some witness to discredit you at some point with regards to something that isn't even directly related to the allegation just to ruin your credibility. Say absolutely nothing. Even if you are 100% innocent.

[–]--Edog-- 147 points148 points  (20 children)

This. 100%. The cops are NOT your friends, and they are not interested in discovering "the truth". That's TV land. Do not talk to them at all without an attorney present. Do NOT talk to them at your front door, do not talk to them on the phone. Do not "come down to the station to clear this all up." If they have enough to press charges they will gladly come get you, put cuffs on you and tell you that you have the right remain silent. Which you should until you speak with your attorney. Also - be aware that they can tap your home phone line (and possibly you mobile? Not sure) so don't jump on the phone, text or social and start talking to everyone you know about whatever you are under suspicion for. Also - OP should be aware that it is not legal in every state to record audio of someone without their consent. But you can have video (without audio!) in almost all states I believe. If you bring a lot of women back to your place record video of your "interactions"

[–]WalterEArmstrong 62 points63 points  (3 children)

Put a sign on your front door that sez, "Video and audio recording on these premises for security purposes." THAT informs anybody entering the place.

[–]AliensMakeMeHard 54 points55 points  (2 children)

I refuse to take any sort of legal advice from anyone who spells says "S E Z" ...

[–]TheBlackAlistar 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Don't talk to the police period.

https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE

[–]_Sedation_ 15 points16 points  (13 children)

Yeah, I didn't say shit, I was always told the police is against you. I also read that detectives get paid more for every case opened? Not sure if that's true.

[–]Dmva100 1 points1 points [recovered]

Yes, and for arrests made.

This is why COPS on the TV show is a huge blue pill programming machine meant to raise arrest quotas nationwide. You will NEVER see a dude on Cops who shuts the fuck up and says he wants a lawyer. Nope! They make it look like cops do them a favor by 'going easy on them' if they do the 'right thing' to tell the truth and make it easier to get that said arrest quota up for the $$$$$

[–]6273400 1 points1 points [recovered]

The other fun thing about COPS: you never see the perpetrator escape in car, on foot, etc.

In reality, escaping pursuit is much, much easier than they want you to believe.

[–]Turtle08atwork 2 points3 points  (9 children)

Way easier. Getting away from tracker dogs is much easier than you'd imagine as well.

[–]1Ill_Will7 2 points3 points  (8 children)

Easy to get away from dogs? Im giving up if there using dogs on me

[–]Turtle08atwork 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Depends how much of a headstart you have. I mean the tracking and locate aspect of the dogs. Yeah, if I see a dog then I am giving up lol.

[–]eaazzy_13 0 points1 point  (6 children)

I am a K9 trainer (in training) and they are fucking scary animals when they’re pissed. They live and breathe to hunt motherfuckers down. They wag their tails when they tear into someone’s ass.

[–]Turtle08atwork 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I believe it. I was surprised the dogs didn't track me down. Maybe it was the route I took. No idea.

[–]Pestilence1911 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Just run through a stream. And hop on a bus and read a newspaper.

[–]Dmva100 1 points1 points [recovered]

Charges cannot be brought against you that result in a conviction if the follow steps are taken in most States in the US.

Regardless of whatever crimes you may have committed, there cannot be any witnesses for this to work, and you must use an alias.

If and when you are questioned by any form of law enforcement, you MUST say the following when addressed, regardless of what they say to you first (statement, question, command, etc.)

Raise your hand and plead your 5th, 6th, and 4th amendment rights in that exact order. You must be able to cite each amendment word for word. After this you must STFU no matter what. Obey any LAWFUL commands made by the officer, get his name and badge number, and say that 'I am not being detained and am free to go.' Dont ask if you are. If they say that you are, know that the max time in most States is 30 mins. Make this known and get the interaction on video if you can from a body cam, recorder, or someone else's phone.

The reason you must say these amendments is because the officer will not be able to question you, or take you into custody for whatever reason. Even if they have a warrant, if you have stated these rights you dont have to identify yourself if they ask you who you are. If they demand ID say you don't have it on you, and since you have pleaded the 4th, they cannot search you or your property for ID. The only way this probably wouldn't work is if they showed up at your home address.

You cannot be charged AND/OR with this method. Even if you get arrested by a beta cop because you wont cooperate, the judge WILL throw out the case once your attorney makes it known that you stated your rights and the police violated them. Warrant or not. The only variant here is that you can be federally indicted if a case is strong enough to make it to a grand jury to issue a warrant, but if it gets to that point, you didn't follow the above steps

[–]G4RRETT 22 points23 points  (2 children)

You cannot be charged AND/OR convicted with this method. Even if you get arrested by a beta cop because you wont cooperate, the judge WILL throw out the case

The police are allowed to get identification from you, the 4th amendment does not protect from that. The case law is decided. If you do not identify yourself they can detain you.

[–]p_and_q 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The real irony here is that some states don't require you to provide identification in order to protect illegal immigrants

[–]PaulMurrayCbr 1 points1 points [recovered]

and say that 'I am not being detained and am free to go.'

Hahahahaha! Cops absolutely do have the power to arrest you on suspicion, and there's video after video of "freeman on the land" beatdowns if you care to go look at them.

Don't take legal advice from someone who isn't a lawyer in your jurisdiction.

[–]oliseo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They also have to release you if they don't have any evidence to continue to hold you.

They arrest you hoping you'll provide that evidence for them.

That's the whole point the other person was making.

And if were not taking legal advice from someone who isn't a lawyer, why then should we take it from you?

You're not one of those who thinks their rules applies to other people but not to them?

[–]RuskiyHawk 4 points5 points  (2 children)

do you know what's the difference within canada? i have voice recordings, receipts before and after i drop her off, her texts too.

[–]Pestilence1911 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can be remanded to jail based on an accusation and have to argue your case from there.

Had a buddy that went through it. Dont ever talk to the police and hope to fuck all your friends are downstairs listning.

[–]AligatorTears 22 points23 points  (5 children)

Note: Do not attempt to pull this crap unless you are obviously white.

[–]SuperCrazy07 14 points15 points  (2 children)

LOL, are you for real? I'd much rather pull this crap if I was black - so long as it was on video. Here comes $10MM+ because the big, bad popo violated my rights.

As a white guy, cops can do whatever and no one feels bad for you. "It's about time" is what the masses think.

You honestly think Starbucks would have had a day of sensitivity training if a white dude got kicked out of the store? (I've actually seen white people told to leave when they didn't buy anything, its total BS that it only happens to blacks).

[–]Dmva100 1 points1 points [recovered]

I agree. If a cop wrongfully arrested you or beat your ass then other black people would protest and burn down the cops favorite donut shop

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So maybe whites should start protesting then? I mean what do you want us to do? We got our people's back (regardless if they deserve it)

[–]Cozc 6 points7 points  (0 children)

yeah those evil white people amiright

[–]Shaney96 131 points132 points  (8 children)

Ain't it sad that shit like this happens... What a fucking insane world we live in...

[–]Bossman28894 72 points73 points  (4 children)

The #MeToo movement is a scary thing. Don’t get me wrong, harassment and rape is terrible, and those who do it should be hung by there toes...but I feel that your average joe gets Raw end of the deal. Those false allegations are terrible, and should be held to the same standard as to what they’re accusing the person of...in my own opinion

[–]phenethyljammin 10 points11 points  (2 children)

It's fucking scary that someone can just ruin your life on a whim.

[–]SpecOpsAlpha 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Girls on the rebound or screwing around and then caught by current boyfriend will readily do this.

[–]PIGamer86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Something something Chris Hardwick.

[–]captaindestucto 37 points38 points  (10 children)

'Affirmative consent' is going to be legislated at some point. Then recording won't suffice.

All she'll need to do is claim you didn't seek out 'affirmative consent' i.e. didn't get explicit verbal consent at key points during the act. That - regardless of what's on the recording - she felt coerced or threatened in the situation. That's what's so insidious, under the guise of protecting women it makes defendants guilty with no way to prove otherwise.

[–]wanderer779 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I bend them over the desk of a notary and get a signed consent form for each thrust. Can't be too careful.

[–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 7 points8 points  (0 children)

We already have started retroactively judging people in the past for their sexism/racism.

Soon men will be retroactively judged for sex without affirmative consent decades ago. It will be hard to speak up or argue against it on places like facebook as hoards of feminists and betas will label you rape apologist and misogynist. Power wins over truth in the short and medium term. The witch hunts will amplify until morale improves

[–]red_philosopher 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Affirmative consent already exists in at least one EU country if I'm not mistaken. Can't wait to see the long term effects of that one.

[–]Mojiitoo 1 point2 points  (5 children)

It does? Probably one of the scandanivian then.

However, idk whats wrong in the US but this whole false rape accusation thing is NOT an issue in europe. We just have drunk sex and except from some regrets everything is just fine. I cant imagine the need to record before and after sex wtf.

[–]red_philosopher 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Count yourself lucky. Here, drunk sex = Rape.

[–]Drunk__Doctor 1 points1 points [recovered]

What if the man was also drunk ? Didn't the woman also rape him ?

[–]red_philosopher 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Yes. But nobody arrests and charges the woman with Rape. Just the man.

[–]Drunk__Doctor 1 points1 points [recovered]

Yes. My question was more of a statement to anyone who would read the comments and still think, drunk sex = rape.

It would be a last attempt to challenge them on any logic they posses by using exactly what they would state with gender reversed. By the logic that a drunk woman can not consent the same would hold true to a drunk man, would it not. I ask as a little more of me starts to feel nothing for society.

Drunk sex =/= Rape. Firstly you chose to drink. Secondly you chose to have sex, regardless of your "state of mind" due to your own actions. You were not rufied. Regret it ? Too bad.

If you (sober mind) consent to altering your state of mind. Then you (still sober mind) consent to everything you (altered mind) chose to do.

Drunk drivers still get arrested for a reason. They can't blame the bottle and walk away scot free. Nor should they be able to.

[–]red_philosopher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree wholeheartedly. Doesn't mean that's how the laws are currently written. :)

[–]GEAR_IN_THE_REAR 35 points36 points  (2 children)

One of the reasons I have security cameras in my apartment. Never been accused of anything, but being that Sweden is such a cucked feminist country I'm not taking any chances.

Better safe than sorry.

[–]bearinfoxhole 13 points14 points  (1 child)

same here in Finland. You can't trust the lawyer since he won't challenge the state. Otherwise he will be marked as a trouble maker and no more cases coming to his direction.

[–]GEAR_IN_THE_REAR 5 points6 points  (0 children)

same here in Finland.

Damn, sorry to hear that.

Always best to be the controller of any situation, rather than the lawyer being it. If I have the proof I don't need a lawyer to convince anyone.

Also, I would rather be in trouble for having security cameras everywhere than being accused of rape.

[–]RetroactiveCheerer 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Just basically dealt with this. My now ex I found was sexting another dude and cheated on me. I immediately broke up with her (obviously). She wouldn’t stop harassing me and threatening me and for some reason in her trying to get me back and to come talk to her she thought threatening false allegations would work. As soon as I got the chance I blocked her on everything and changed my phone number. Always protect yourself. I actually had a small conversation with an officer about it, he’d been through the same situation not long before and gave me his info if she came into contact with me again so I had the trail showing her threats. She was a bad person. Probably still is. Taught me to give less of a fuck and to be better to myself though which is ok with me. I actually saw her at a bar I was at last night. I feel for the new dude.

[–]ice_and_snow 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I feel you bro. Had similar experience. She cheated on me while I was working abroad for two months. I've collected the evidence and changed the keys to the apartment, sent her stuff to her friends address. That saved my ass. She tried to win me back, when that didn't work she threatened me. 'I am not enjoying doing this, and I would not if I there was no absolute evidence of waht you did' was my answer. Shitty times...

[–]SgtBrutalisk 26 points27 points  (1 child)

One of my cousins was recently accused of rape by some random girl (eastern EU). He is pretty smart but looks like a hobgoblin so they dragged him into custody for 3 months. The allegations were dropped and he's going to get recompensed $6,000 for the trouble.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 32 points33 points  (4 children)

I've been recording for almost a decade. saving all texts, pics, emails etc. haven't had to use it yet and hopefully never will, but it sure as shit helps. some of my friends were hit with bullshit back in the day that's when i decided to cover my ass. especially with me making decent bank now it's even more important.

[–]tekn0_ 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Do you press record before you make a move? Or is the video recording always on? Curious what’s the normal routine

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 5 points6 points  (1 child)

just a voice recorder app on your phone. it will still record with screen off, at least mine does.

[–]Andgelyo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This. Never found myself in any trouble at all, and hope I never will. But i always save texts, naughty pictures I get, and tell them I had a great time over text just so I can CYA if need be. Screen shotting Tinder conversations helps a bunch too. Sad world we live to see that we've come to this.

[–]Dmva100 1 points1 points [recovered]

The surefire way to avoid false accusations is to:

-only use snapchat (phone numbers are identifiable info)

-only go to her place for SEX and no meeting room mates

-Use a fake name/FB and dont let her see your car/plates

-Audio recording sex. NOTE: even if you're in a 2 party consent state, that doesn't keep a prosecutor from going 'oh shit' and throwing your case out because even if it's not admissible as evidence, they know she will crumble on the stand under cross examination

All women lie about sexual assault unless due process reveals otherwise.

[–]WalterEArmstrong 17 points18 points  (5 children)

"-only go to her place for SEX and no meeting room mates" So how the hell are you going to audio and visually record the whole thing?

[–]rebbit_reddit 80 points81 points  (3 children)

Strap a GoPro on your head

[–]Yankees1327 51 points52 points  (0 children)

The camera on my head? Don't worry about that babe, I was just snowboarding with some friends earlier...

[–]xachariah 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Strap a GoPro on your dick.

"Naw baby, I was just born that way"

[–]G4RRETT 9 points10 points  (11 children)

prosecutor can subpoena snapchat and make them provide documents that show which phone number is associated with your username and go from there.

[–]Dmva100 1 points1 points [recovered]

No you can delete your phone number from sbapchat once you aign up and they cant track it

[–]6273400 1 points1 points [recovered]

You're out of your mind if you believe that Snapchat isn't storing historical email records.

[–]1Jaereth 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Lol thats not how data works. Its still in some column somewhere and the phone number is probably the primary key.

[–]G4RRETT 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I bet they have archived databases with your phone number in it whether you "deleted" it or not

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 3 points4 points  (0 children)

i never put in my number when signing up so they don't even have it

[–]chief-w -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's not deleting your number from their servers, that's only removing it from your public account.

They would keep your number for account verification if you signed out and forgot your password.

[–]Crilbyte 9 points10 points  (3 children)

As a woman who has been raped this shit always disgusted me. These women who retract consent WAY after the act to avoid responsibility. Fucking gross. I'm so glad you didn't have any really bad repercussions. So sorry that happened to you.

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I really don't get the women who cry false rape. You would have to be a real sicko to falsely accuse a guy of rape. It makes it harder to know who the real victims are (like yourself) because of all the fake accusations.

Even with the metoo movements, there are tons of false accusations scattered into the real ones against guys like Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby

[–]Crilbyte 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes! It really pisses me off.

[–]WalterEArmstrong 25 points26 points  (5 children)

"I invoke my constitutional right to remain silent and I want to speak with my attorney."

[–]humanoid12345 45 points46 points  (3 children)

When the hitman Mike on Breaking Bad was arrested, every time the cops asked him a question, he responded with a single word:

"Lawyer."

"Lawyer."

"Lawyer."

I thought that was a good approach.

[–]teeteedoubleyoudee 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Ex-cop as well, he knew the system.

[–]FatGirlsInPartyHats 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It was also a TV show.

Be polite but firm and just say you aren't answering questions and want to speak to your lawyer. It's typically not an awesome idea to piss off the cops any more than you have to, regardless of how fucked the situation is.

[–]Greek-God-Brody 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Thank God I don't live in the US.

[–]biasedinquirer 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Super curious. What kind of "proof" could you find on Instagram?

[–]ProFriendZoner 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If they stay the night, take them out the next morning and pay with a credit card. That leaves a paper trail. No rape victim is going to breakfast or Starbucks with the guy that raped her. Sad that this is what we have to do today.

[–]aroundtheboat 26 points27 points  (22 children)

Even so called evidence can be blocked by the court or ignored by the police. Travel overseas brothers to Mexico and Brazil where prostitution is legal. Only have sex with hot Sex workers vs sub par lying western whores. Payment is proof of consent. Don't be like this guy.

[–]6273400 1 points1 points [recovered]

Even so called evidence can be blocked by the court

No, it cannot be "blocked by the court," even if illegally obtained, if it is actually exculpatory.

The police: sure they can ignore it if they like? Totally irrelevant in this situation though, because you are never talking to them anyway.

Let them arrest you, charge you, get arraigned (not guilty) and post bail. Your attorney will then submit your exculpatory evidence to the local prosecutor, and at that point you're off the hook for anything except wiretapping or eavesdropping (depending on the jurisdiction - in most free places this legal, and even if it isn't, it's usually "improper form" to prosecute on exculpatory admissions).

[–]aroundtheboat 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Wrong, there was a kid a few years back that was set up by a bunch of girls. They basically plotted to get him on false rape charges and then boasted about it on social media. The attorney tried to get the court to allow them to subpoena the evidence, however the judge blocked it initially, it took months before the judge finally agreed, and then he was finally set free. If you really want to do that dance then go for it. Personally I don't want to risk going through all that hassle while believing the justice system will come true, versus getting laid every few months across the border.

[–]6273400 1 points1 points [recovered]

I have no idea what case you are referring to, but the very fact that a subpoena was involved means that there was a different concept at play than the scenario posited in this post.

If you illegally record audio recordings of obvious consent, these will be admissible in discovery in all State and Federal criminal courts in the United States. End of story. There are no subpoenas involved here whatsoever: the exculpatory evidence was created first-party.

[–]aroundtheboat -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

Dude why tell anyone to put themselves in this position in the first place. Being credible is important, I am not just talking out of my ass, but ultimately, why are you trying to fight the power? Why take the risk and waste the time?

[–]Cozc 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I would guess that part of it has to do with the fact that "Hey man just cross the border and get a prostitute in an area where STI's are twice as common as back home" isn't exactly a realistic solution to this problem for most people

[–]aroundtheboat 1 point2 points  (1 child)

you have a lot of trust in western women!

[–]Cozc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

women are women regardless of where you are in the world.

[–]hulk_hogans_alt 6 points7 points  (10 children)

If you have a good lawyer and follow local laws you’ll most likely be fine. Obviously everyone should check with a lawyer and their local laws first but it’s still better to protect yourself than do nothing.

[–]aroundtheboat 1 points1 points [recovered]

Why even put yourself in that position is the real question. Why not just use http://www.internationalsexguide.info, go overseas, get a whore every few months dirt cheap (we are talking $30 - $50 in many places for a gorgeous whore) and avoid the hassle and risk of banging some random lying slut?

[–]hulk_hogans_alt 7 points8 points  (8 children)

I don’t have that kinda travel money yet but I’m working on it lol. Not against the idea though.

Still, people are gonna pursue shit wherever they live. Lots of college students on TRP as well. Guys on campus are under more direct scrutiny and attack than ever before. Those dudes don’t have the time or money to travel

[–]CountVP -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Prostitution here in brazil is fucking expensive. About 150 USD an hour for that matter. No way that’s an alternative to meeting girls and having sex with them

[–]The_Chiselnator 10 points11 points  (0 children)

"Last night was amazing. You are really good"

The validation addicted Thotmeister will respond with some slutty "Me too. That dick is fire"

Screenshot. Save to Google Images under my email address specifically created for this shit. Stays there for years and years. Right now I have images going back to early 2013 saved. Because once these Thots grow old and look back at all the dicking they got for no commitment, the get bitter and start crying #MeToo even decades later.

Personally have come close to being accused 5 years after the dick down.. Some slut I was fucking in the early 2010s. We bumped into each other in a beach hotel where I was staying just to unwind. We had previously had sex but I ghosted her. That day we start talking, go out to the clubs, come back, she jumps on my dick and starts sucking (that girl could give head), I carry her to the bed and fuck her. She gets up, dresses and says "no one must know". A month later I discover that the slut was dating a friend of mine. A friend of mine from childhood and this is why she had said "no one must know" before leaving the hotel room. She was seriously dating this guy. They do so for a couple of years. That relationship goes to shit. The bitch thinks I told the guy that I had fucked her on her "vacation with the girls" and that is why he dumped her. She tried to spread a rumour that I had forced her into something sexual.

Other women in the community kill that rumour and advice her to shut the fuck up. Why? I still don't know but everyone around me knows that if you fuck with me, I fuck back savagely.

And yes I had saved all the messages on the folder. Including one of her saying she "orgasmed after a long time and might bootycall later." When that rumour started (I was alerted to it by her best friend), I got those images, Facecuck messages forensically retrieved from my phone and stored with a lawyer pal of mine.

ALWAYS GET PROOF. Otherwise you are going to be fucked by the criminal justice system. And if you are accused, say nothing to anyone in the absence of a lawyer. Don't counter, don't respond and don' say nuthin'.

Words can complicate things. For her to prove her false allegation of rape, she must prove that (a) you were together (b) in private (c) had sex including penetration (d) it was unconsensual.

If you say "but she consented" you relieve her of the burden to prove a, b and c. Basically you are fucked

[–]doveenigma13 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Sounds like she got preggo and had to explain to her pops how it happened

[–]Herdsengineers 12 points13 points  (1 child)

don't fuck random sluts in the women's bathroom to start with and you avoid needing all the recordings and hijinks after the fact.

[–]CoraliePeach 16 points17 points  (43 children)

Hmm, recordings aren't admissible as evidence in criminal cases unless the person was aware and consented to being recorded, as far as I'm aware. But I suppose they might be enough to prevent the case being prosecuted in the first place.

Overall, that's super fucking shitty that girl tried that.

The problem with rape laws is that, in order to give women a chance at being listened to and deter it from happening in the first place, we've had to allow women the opportunity to accuse anyone and be taken seriously. It's fucking atrocious that anyone thinks it's ok to falsely accuse someone, potentially ruining their entire life, because we all know that some people fall through the cracks of our justice system.

But... unless we can find a solution where women are taken seriously, but not to the point of falsely convicting people, I think it's better than it was before. That's not to say that some companies haven't taken it wayyy too far, like Netflix.

EDIT: this explains for the United States a general overview of the states' laws regarding recorded conversations. Pay special attention to the predicate rules.

https://criminal-law.freeadvice.com/criminal-law/criminal-law/surreptitious_tape.htm

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 15 points16 points  (2 children)

absolutely false. i was a victim in a criminal fraud case where i had recorded evidence with only me being aware of the recording. not only it was admitted as evidence without problems not was the main evidence used to bring down the person.

seriously, don't follow legal advice on this site and consult with lawyers because then you have stupid shit like above getting upvoted by autists

[–]CoraliePeach 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Only 12 states require both parties to consent to the recording. I would guess that you're in one of the states that only requires one party (you or them) to consent to the recording. So no, it's not "absolutely false". You used an anecdotal example.

[–]TRP_TEX 1 points1 points [recovered]

Regret is not rape. There is a difference.

[–]Ephriel 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Hmm, recordings aren't admissible as evidence in criminal cases unless the person was aware and consented to being recorded, as far as I'm aware

Varies depending on where you are.

US, For example, some states allow it, some do not.

[–]6273400 1 points1 points [recovered]

Hmm, recordings aren't admissible as evidence in criminal cases

False: exculpatory evidence is always admissible in criminal cases, even if illegally obtained. This is 1L shit, people, stop spreading false information.

Illegally obtained evidence is not usable by the government or in civil proceedings (where you are a plaintiff) - but is totally OK for exculpatory purposes.

[–]CoraliePeach -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

Like I said, it would probably be helpful in preventing the case being prosecuted or going to trial in the first place.

[–]hulk_hogans_alt 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Depends on the state actually.

Also, even in two party states you can record in your own home. Reasonable expectation of privacy and all that.

Note: Always consult a lawyer and look into local laws to be sure.

[–]CoraliePeach -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Just noticed, I think you have that backwards. When you have a reasonable expectation of privacy, that's when it's potentially illegal to record someone without their consent or knowledge. When you're in public, then you have no expectation of privacy (no reason to believe you might not be recorded).

[–]hulk_hogans_alt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No no, what I meant was that if you’re own home and recording, the other party doesn’t have a reasonable expectation of privacy because an individual has the right to surveil their own home.

But again: check with a lawyer if you want to be sure

[–]CoraliePeach -4 points-3 points  (4 children)

I'm not sure about that. This is hardly sturdy evidence and I'm by no means an expert on this, but on Better Call Saul, his older brother recorded his admission of a crime (in his own home), and they all knew it couldn't be used in criminal court. They ended up trying to use it for the New Mexico Bar Association, because their standard of proof was lower.

The issue isn't just privacy, I believe it's also proving who it is on the recording.

But of course, consult a lawyer lol.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it wasn't admitted not because he recorded it but because self admission to crime isn't proof that person did the crime without any hard evidence

[–]WalterEArmstrong 2 points3 points  (2 children)

".....on Better Call Saul, his older brother recorded his admission of a crime (in his own home)….." WHAAAAAAAAT?! You're using a friggen TELEVISION SHOW as an example of how the law works?!! HO-CHEE-MAMA!!

[–]CoraliePeach -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Seriously dude, don't give yourself an aneurysm. And learn to read, rather than cherrypicking quotes that support your outrage.

[–]CoraliePeach -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yes, and I prefaced it with a disclaimer that it wasn't exactly trustworthy. However, it's a show about fucking lawyers. Seems like that show does a pretty good job of being accurate to the law. My main concern would be that it's set back when flipphones were all the rage, so laws could definitely have changed since then.

[–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Do you need proof they consented to being recorded? What would happen if somebody lied about whether the other party consented to being recorded and it was his-word-against-hers?

[–]CoraliePeach 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Way out of my depth on that one lol. I have no idea how you'd handle that. But the easiest way would be to record them consenting to being recorded.

[–]3d_truth 1 point2 points  (1 child)

But you realize that to convict a man of rape, the jury has come to a unanomous conclusion that the girl was raped beyond ANY doubt. I was the on the jury for a rape case. It's next to impossible to convict someone of rape without heavy evidence.

[–]CoraliePeach 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well that's good. I don't know much about what happens during an actual trial.

[–]Cozc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

idk about your state but mine is single party consent.

So as long as I tell myself that I am recording, a single party has consent.

This can get tricky once there are 4+ parties involves, but for all intents and purposes single party states are great

[–]PaulMurrayCbr 1 points1 points [recovered]

Why is rape different from other violent crimes against the person? What can be said about victims of rape that isn't also true of victims of armed robbery (mugging)? Don't they also get PTSD? Aren't they also frightened of their attacker?

[–]CoraliePeach 1 point2 points  (10 children)

Personally, I only have experience being molested by my dad, and a couple times that boyfriends had sex with me when I was very obviously not wanting to, but felt too worthless to tell them to stop. Those feelings are because of what my dad did. I know that when a child is sexually abused, it's much worse than for an adult, due to their very tender and still developing brain and psyche. Everything gets absolutely fucked up, irreparably in many ways.

As for traditional violent rape, I found someone else's description that might help explain it.

Imagine your favourite dessert. You know, the one you almost always end up ordering at a restaurant even though you’ve had it heaps of times before. That one dessert of which you always want second or even third servings. The one you ask friends and family to make for your birthday.

Really imagine it. The taste of it. The feel of it on your lips and tongue and sliding down your throat. The lingering aftertaste. How much you’ll enjoy it the next time you have a chance to eat some.

Imagine the surroundings. Are you alone, savouring it all to yourself? Are you with friends, all enjoying sharing this delectable dessert? Are you in a lovely cafe or restaurant, enjoying the ambience and the service, and the accompanying coffee or liqueur?

Imagine how many servings you are going to have this time. Will you eat it fast or slow? Will you eat it all, or take some home with you for later?

NOW imagine someone forcing you to eat your favourite dessert.

It’s not a joke. You can’t get away. They are too strong for you, and they are kneeling across your chest and pinning your arms. Maybe they have threatened you with a weapon to get you to this place, or perhaps tricked you with an offer of your favourite dessert and then overpowered you once they got you alone.

Imagine that they are not just offering you your favourite dessert in any way that you can control how you bite it, chew it and swallow it. This person is shoving your favourite dessert down your throat. With a stick.

Imagine that your favourite dessert down is being shoved down your throat so hard and fast that you are choking on it, and you can’t take in quite enough air in between mouthfuls. You are going dizzy from lack of oxygen, yet you’re afraid to gulp air too deeply in case dessert gets into your lungs.

Imagine how the stick is bruising, scraping and lacerating your throat as more and more of your favourite dessert is being shoved down your throat.

Imagine how the taste of blood from the lacerations in your throat is mingling with the taste of your favourite dessert.

Imagine how your teeth are being chipped and broken by the stick, and how they are mingling with the dessert so that you are swallowing them as well.

Imagine how your lips are being split and bruised by the stick as the dessert continues to get shoved in your mouth.

Imagine how you are squirming to try and avoid the next mouthful, how you are crying, how great streams of snot are streaming down your cheeks, how your eyes are begging for the person to stop but the person just won’t stop.

Worse: imagine that you are so frightened that the person will kill you that you just lie there, unresisting, unmoving, trying hard not to really be there in your body because then the stick shoving dessert down your throat doesn’t hurt quite so badly.

Imagine how in either of the above – squirming fear or immobile shock – you are totally aware that your lack of power to stop the person, and your terror and pain, is what they want from you most. The dessert is irrelevant except for being a way to hurt you and degrade you through your powerlessness.

Imagine that you survive the forced-feeding, and that as your attacker leaves you, either in the place of attack or having dropped you off somewhere to make your own way home, that they mock you by talking about how wonderful your favourite dessert tasted, and how lucky you were that they gave you more of it than you’d ever had before.

And now for the kicker:

Imagine that when you tell people what happened, and how bad it was, and how scared you were and how hurt your body is, they look at you blankly, and say: “But what’s the problem? Everybody knows that you really, really like that dessert!”

Think about how long it might take for you, or whether you would ever want, to eat your favourite dessert again, because every time you saw it, let alone smelt it or tasted it, you would remember that attack by the force-feeder.

Then stop repeating or believing bullshit about how rape is really just rougher than usual sex, things just “get a bit out of hand” and no real harm done.

[–]Thaweed 2 points3 points  (2 children)

so what your saying is, your favourit dessert is dick?

[–]CoraliePeach 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I didn't write that. I wrote about my dad molesting me. Personally, I don't think dessert is a very good analogy. I don't think a lot of you members here are even capable of the level of empathy required to understand what rape is like for a woman. Dessert doesn't even come close.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As I already have told you,a big part of TRP is consisted of ex-niceguys,MGTOWs,men that aint getting any pussy at all. TRP is generally a men's rights movement and just like feminists forget that men are also human beings with feelings,hopes,dreams,loved ones so do TRPers some times for women. Some women won't have a problem to get innocent men in jail for 'rape' and 'assault' and some men won't have a problem that many true rape victims won't get any justice if that would decrease their chances of being labelled falsely as a rapist. There is no middle ground for many people both in feminism and in the manosphere

[–]Novak90 1 points1 points [recovered]

Sorry, I couldn't get through it. Too cringe.

I got the gist of it though. Why is rape the only crime where the accused is ousted and assumed guilty first? How is it different than other violent crimes?

Cuz feels. You wrote a novel about your damn feels. No.... just no. What rape victims go through is horrendous but that doesn't justify how the accused is socially crucified before due process. Innocent until proven guilty, "except for rape cuz it ruined my favorite dessert." GTFO. The world doesn't revolve around you, snowflake.

[–]CoraliePeach 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I found someone else's description that might help explain it.

I didnt write that. And it's not a perfect analogy. In order for you to understand what rape is like for a woman, you'd have to make a real effort to understand what it's like to be a woman, sexually. One thing that makes rape especially worse is society's history of making "slutty" women out to be dirty in some way. This causes a lot more psychological problems in victims.

However, I think what you're asking is not what makes rape so much worse for the victim, but why people feel the need to be so much shittier to the accused.

I think that it's mostly due to our current political and sociological climate in western society, which is pretty heavily in favor of women, at least in blue states. It's not right that people accused of rape are vilified without due process. However, when the justice system or just the government fails us, we rely on public outcry. The best example that comes to mind is the Stanford rapist. He was found guilty, but only sentenced to like 30 days probation (if I remember correctly). That was an outrage. And he probably got away with that slap on the wrist because his dad is rich. Classism is the true prejudice in our society, not race or gender.

I have a feeling you might also be referring to all the sexual assault allegations crawling out of the woodworks, especially for public figures. I think that's been a good thing, but also taken too far. It's fucking awesome that rich, old, white (or black, in the case of Bill Cosby) assholes are no longer allowed to do whatever the fuck they want. It's great that these women feel safe enough, that they will be taken seriously enough to come forward with this stuff. However, like you said, we must have due process. It's too easy for someone to ruin a man's life with a false accusation, and by that I mean ruin their career and reputation.

On the other hand, how can we keep these assholes in check without taking the women seriously? There are tons of instances where there's no possibility of proof. There's no way those men are going to jail for most of this stuff. So, in order to deter them from thinking they're invincible, we must have the consequence of possibly losing their career and reputation.

Here's some food for thought: why would you guys stand up for men like that? You don't need to grope women, or drug them, or say nasty shit, or rape them. Your whole philosophy is about attracting women to you in a way that they would beg you to fuck them, whenever and however you please. People like that make you look bad.

We are in a shitty situation, politically and culturally. If we go back to how things were, rapists and the like become near invincible again, and women return to keeping silent about it even more than they do now. But if we stay how we are now, it's too easy to make false accusations. I don't know what the solution is, but I think what we have now is still marginally better than how it was.

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[–]CoraliePeach 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Why? Unless youre referring to the part about my dad, I didn't write that, I borrowed it from somewhere else on Reddit, and that person borrowed it from a website. And it's a mediocre analogy anyway. Favorite dessert doesn't even come close to describing what's being taken away during rape.

Personally, thanks to my dad, I don't hold much value in my sexuality. It's not really something precious to me anymore. Maybe if I were violently raped, I would recover more easily because of that (lucky me).

[–]CoraliePeach 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also, why would the members here care about that? They're not rapists, and they don't defend rapists, generally. Rapists make them look bad.

[–]AliensMakeMeHard 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Lmao just don't be messing with them unstable ones...don't ignore the signs.

[–]syf3r 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I'm a contrarian in that i hope this happens 10x as often and let me tell you why. The cops who are typically men will grow tired of the bullshit. "oh, another one of these eh". sensible women who dont do this kind of thing will not jump to a guilty conclusion like what's happening in the poundmetoo movement.

I hope this happens many more often and 95%of men get these accusations. i think it will help move the world wake up to the ridiculousness of all this.

[–]_Sedation_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Doubt it, real rape victims take time to tell the authority, so it'll be hard to tell, who's lying and who's not. It'll be unjust, if they just dismiss many accusations, rape is a difficult matter. If they start dismissing the accusations I'm sure there will be protest and all that, and I can't blame them either, but either way it sucks for both sides.

[–]simplisticallysimple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm in the same boat with you, so long as I don't need to be collateral damage myself while this process/change picks up steam!

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's ridiculous that it has gotten to this point. Not insulting this post because it's a great one, but it's just crazy that before and after every sexual encounter you have, your guard really has to be up this much.

I never went to this extent. Usually just a "I had a great time" text is fine. I never bothered with a voice recorder.

[–]_Sedation_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah Imma start using that, and the world sucks man.

[–]bmallon42 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I had a family member in law enforcement that went out with a girl that was a lesbian, maybe bi, they ended up hooking up, the girl's gf found out, lesbian friend claims she was drunk and dont remember anything, the gf says well then he raped you. In order to save face with her gf, the girl claims she was raped. My family member gets investigated on the allegations and thinking hes a cop and knowing it wasnt rape, he cooperates with investigators. It wasnt until he got indicted by a grand jury and was facing felony rape charges did he get an attorney. Attorney and a private investigator get the girl's deposition where she claims being completely blacked out from the time they left the bar til she woke up the next day. Attorney and PI go get CCTV footage from the gas station they stopped at before going back to her place and shes walking completely fine, grab a a drink and cigarettes and pays with cash. That footage and all the holes in the plaintiffs story caused enough doubt to have the jury acquit my family member on all charges. Of course nothing happened to her for lying but it certainly ruined his career in law enforcement.

[–]simplisticallysimple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All these could have been avoided if he remained silent in the first place. Not very smart to go mouthing off, especially being a cop himself

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This happens more often than not. Never ever under any circumstances talk to the police they don't work for you. Although the whole revenge porn movement has tried to make recording sex illegal do it anyway just to cover your ass. First she willing lets you bang her brains out next day you raped her. False rape accusations happen more often than the real ones just from personal experience.

[–]BizzareMinotaur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you use Snapchat, I would also get a screen recorder that is undetectable. That way, you can scroll through your messages on Snapchat and save them. And yes, I use a voice recorder on every first couple of dates with a new woman if I can help it. I'm not paranoid, cause I'd rather have a couple megabytes filled up that I could delete later, rather than having a career damaging thousand dollar lawsuit on my hands.

[–]3d_truth 5 points6 points  (1 child)

This must just be an American thing. There is no way I will do this, or need to. I have never heard of anyone I know ever been accused of rape.

[–]justlooking47 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is the land of the free, where looking at a girl for more than 5 seconds is considered sexual harassment

[–]trexgomez 1 points1 points [recovered]

I work in a room alone with a woman in her 20s. How to save my ass incase (prevention) something that might happen later?

[–]badzachlv01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I swear we're gonna have to start printing out waivers for these girls to sign before we fuck

[–]Wade856 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have friends that use their phone to video the girl before sex, giving consent to what's going to happen. If she says she doesn't want to do the video, then they won't have any sex with that girl. It's non negotiable. Just make a file for each sexual encounter either by the girl's name or by the date, on your phone and make sure you also upload it to the cloud as well. When you get the chance, copy the video to your computer or an external hard drive, just in case. You can never be too careful.

Guys, you carry a recording device with you at all times. It's insanity in this day & age to not take advantage of it to cover your ass just in case. Plus, just the girl knowing there is the existence of such a video, it will deter them from making a false claim later.

[–]mvnarachi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing your experience friend.

[–]lycanroc-lez-go 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How do you set up the recording and what would be the ideal conversation to be recorded?

[–]notondurgz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why the fuck do we live in a world where I even have to take advice like this seriously. Thinking about performing seppuku.

[–]AmatureProgrammer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How do you use the voice recorder? Like do you have it turned on where she says she wants sex? Also isn't it illegal to record conversations?

[–]Petronius_deArbiter 1 points1 points [recovered]

Before recording, check your jurisdiction to make sure its legal.

In many places this will get you slapped with a federal wiretapping charge.

[–]CaptZ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have cams all over my house, including the bedroom. None are hidden and are in full view so I am not hiding them. I installed them for a different use but this is another reason I keep them up.

[–]AFellowCanadianGuy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Or just don’t have sex with girls that would be the type to do this.

[–]_Sedation_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah, I can see into the future, to know what actions they take.

[–]lenin1928 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or just never say anything to the police, no matter what they threaten, do or say.

[–]OkStretch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was always lucky and never got legally in trouble because of a woman. There was one time when a morning chick was grinding my from the top and we were making out. The next day she told her friends that I tried to force myself on her. Another Mormon girl that I fucked went back to being a good Mormon girl. I asked her later if she confessed to her bishop and she said that we never had sex lol Had sex with a Jewish girl once and she stopped talking to me because she had sinned and had sex lol I have had experiences with many other religious girls and they are all fucking crazy. I vouche for OP.

[–]hiddenpleasures123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm into the voice recorder.

[–]simplisticallysimple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just follow some best practices: never delete texts, don't just hard-next them after fucking them, take a selfie after meeting them "for a momento," and you'll be in a way better position than most clueless guys. Don't have to go crazy with voice recorders and what not.

NEVER talk to a detective. Not even to give them the "unless I have my lawyer" line. Just ignore if they knock on your door. Ignore, ignore, and ignore. Ignore calls. Hang up. Delete voicemails. Don't even say a goddamned thing to the cop.

I hooked up with this black girl who then slung a rape accusation. Detective hunted me down, I didn't give him the time of the day at all. Hired an attorney, detective requested that I show up for a line-up to be recognized by her. I ignored.

Still nothing until today

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never got a call back from the detective. I never thought I'd be hit with an allegation, I was one of those "What are the odds"

That detective was too busy chasing after the next dude that was accused with no evidence

[–]boston_1998 1 points1 points [recovered]

Just as a reminder, in some states like Massachusetts it’s illegal to record other’s voices without their consent, so you might be getting into more trouble by doing so. It would be wise to check your state laws first

[–]well-ok-then 11 points12 points  (1 child)

More trouble than a rape conviction? I don't think they take privacy THAT seriously

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Beware of religious women Exterior religion can hide the worst and the best inner persons.... and mediocre ones too.

I dare to say that exterior religion is just a "booster" of the inner self. Bad people become worst, good people become better, mediocre people become even more mediocre.