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Rant/VentingMade this comment on an Aziz Ansari thread in 2X! You’ll never guess what happened next! Oh yeah the thread didn’t go their way so they ended up removing it instead of simply locking it. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by ShinraTM

There is an overtone here that’s really bothering the shit out of me. Women are starting to act really appalled when men are persistent in their advances. Can you blame them? Persistence pays off. Every positive thinking paradigm lauds the characteristic of being persistent and never giving up above all others. Throughout history, both ancient and modern, this is a lesson that is driven into men’s heads at every turn. And it’s a very good thing. Think about it. In business, in work, in school, in life, you have to be persistent and willing to fail any number of times until you start succeeding.

No one is going to hire you just for the asking to a decent job, you’ve gotta prove that you’re worth hiring that is going to require significant achievements, which require some (you guessed it) persistence. If you build your own business, you’ve had to struggle to succeed through endless red tape, and getting rejected time after time for funding, if you didn’t fail, it’s not because you had a better idea or a better system, it’s because you were stubborn and stuck to your guns when everything looked really bleak. You won’t graduate college unless you’re persistent enough to come back semester after semester to put yourself through increasingly more challenging workloads and rise to the challenge doing it.

Almost all of the central lessons about success in whatever endeavor you name reinforce the concept that you don’t take no for an answer, you don’t accept failure, you don’t quit ever. Think about all the quotes that come to mind. “It isn’t failure, it’s fail-u-respond.” Or “the difference between a master and a novice is that the master has failed more times than the novice has ever tried” I could go on. But I don’t think I need to.

Think this doesn’t apply to dating? There is nowhere it applies more truly than in dating. Think about how many stories you’ve heard about the persistent guy who lands the great girl. Think about it, if you’re female do you really want to be shackled to a guy who just meekly accepts a no? What the hell is he going to do when he wants to be more than a Walmart cashier, just meekly accept it every time a decent job turns him away because they know he isn’t persistent enough to be successful in their business environment? Do you really want to be shackled to that 30 year old parents-basement-dwelling asshat?

You all know you don’t want to date that guy. You want someone who isn’t a sniveling little bitch and has the willpower and drive to make something of himself... oh right, that would be the PERSISTENT ONE!! You can’t expect tons of grit in every other area of his life but then be totally subservient/submissive when it comes to dating and take a piece of body language as a no. Hell for that guy, even a spoken no is just an invitation to try again later. BECAUSE HE’S BEEN TAUGHT HIS ENTIRE LIFE WITH EVERY LESSON THAT PERSISTENCE PAYS OFF NOTHING GREAT GETS ACHIEVED WITHOUT STRUGGLE AND GRIT. The mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance from the third wave feminists is staggering in its stupidity.

Omg he’s so successful, and he stays fit, Omg he won’t give up! I’m starting to feel uncomfortable BECAUSE HE IS USING THE VERY QUALITY THAT MADE HIM FIT AND SUCCESSFUL in dating as in everywhere else. Who’d a thunk? Seriously, this is not a surprise by any stretch of the imagination


[–]mwait 816 points817 points  (99 children)

I have had 2 comments deleted from 'relationships' in the past ~3 months. The threads associated with those comments were also removed.

The first example, there was a thread made ~2 months ago by a mid-20s woman. She and her bf were having a rough time recently, very little time for each other, no sex life to speak of, not going out on any dates. The bf was actually the one who was most put out by all of this. Anyway, they sit down and have a heart to heart about how the relationship isn't working. They decide to go out and have an awesome date night at their favorite restaurant that Friday night. Well, Friday comes, and the gf goes to class or work or whatever and comes home at 5pm and is exhausted. She decides to catch a quick nap before their dinner reservations at 7pm, where her bf will be meeting her when he gets off.

Naturally, she oversleeps and wakes up to her bf straddling her in bed, slapping her across the face. He slaps her once, which wakes her up... then again after she is clearly awake. They go on to fight about it, and the bf is absolutely furious because she never makes time for him and never puts effort into the relationship. The thread was posed in a way where the woman was asking for advice since she was thinking of breaking up with him for abuse. The ENTIRE thread was posts tearing the bf a new one. "OMG that is abuse!" "DUMP him!" "I could never stay with someone who hit me!" "This is unthinkable!", etc, etc.

Then.... some brave soul makes a post linking a 6 month old thread. It was written by a different user, but it was an EXACT mirror image of the current one. Everything was the same, same ages, same problems, same heart to heart, same meeting at a restaurant on Friday, same oversleeping, same slapping, etc. Except... It was the bf who overslept and the gf who slapped him.

And the comments were completely different. There were a few who said that he shouldn't tolerate his gf hitting him, but the majority were saying things like "You should try to understand how frustrated your gf had to have been to slap you!" "If you really cared about her, you should be able to look past something like this!" "You are at fault for not putting enough energy into your relationship!" "You clearly don't care about your gf if you fell asleep, how do you expect her to react!"

Literally, the exact opposite response to the exact same situation, just with the genders inverted. I responded to the person who linked the old thread, and quoted the top comment from the old one (which was telling the bf to overlook the gf hitting him because she must have been so disappointed), and called out the gender bias in the sub. Within 5 mins, both of the threads were deleted.

Same thing happened last week with a thread about sexual partner count. A woman complained that her bf lied about his count(actually slept with 50 instead of 5 or something) and she wanted to break up... And everyone was supporting her and saying he was manipulative. And someone linked an older thread where the guy found out his gf lied and had actually fucked like 60 dudes.... And everyone was telling him that the past doesn't matter and not to slut shame.

And boom. Again... Within a few minutes, both threads are gone.

Anyway, fuck those subreddits.

[–]ORP7 411 points412 points  (43 children)

I can accept that sexism exists, but I find censorship absolutely deplorable.

America, home of the free.

[–]Selfishaltruist181 177 points178 points  (31 children)

What George Orwell said in 1984 is coming to pass, with the doublespeak language feminists use, how some words and statements are becoming increasingly taboo to say to the point of self censorship and how sex is been increasingly seen as evil. George Orwell was wrong about one thing though, the people perpetrating it. This isnt America censoring us, its not some evil corporation or some evil government, its just your regular Joe who deletes a comment so it can further his/her narrative. Which is actually way scarier if you think about it, how do you spot the enemy when he looks like your neighbor or your coworker.

[–]NOChiRo 81 points82 points  (18 children)

how do you spot the enemy when he looks like your neighbor or your coworker.

Thought police. Orwell didn't miss it.

[–]ToplessNedFlanders 44 points45 points  (16 children)

Or your child, which was also part of 1984; a generation of kids taught to tattle.

[–]Snoopy_Doggy 2 points2 points [recovered]

Orwell took that from history: Hitler Youth. Get kids to rat out their liberal parents espousing wrongthought: anti-war or anti-fascist or pro-socialism ideas, to the Reich.

Perfect. Everybody's paranoid of everybody else, including their own kin. No better way to obtain complete control, than by making people terrified of their own indoctrinated children who have greater loyalty to the State (or the Fuhrer).

1984 could easily apply to the US now, in many ways, but it doesn't even come close to how bad things truly are now. For example a bipartisan consensus just voted to extend warrantless wiretaps, something far more intrusive than Orwell imagined Big Brother to be.

The Deep State owns all our private communications and monitors them at all times. One day AI will simply look at this data and forego the presence of living in a society of laws and just do what it wants. The screws are being turned tighter and tighter and we're check-mating ourselves.

I dare say the sex and culture wars are nothing next the danger posed by Big Data or a nefarious or uncaring AI taking control.

They're already arresting people for "pre-crime" in Palestine, and using AI to train drone operators how to better double tap fleeing civilians after their homes have been destroyed.

TRP is focused on a tiny slice of the problem. It's serious but it's hardly the most consequential aspect of our 1984-esque dystopian present.

[–]ToplessNedFlanders 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I completely agree but wanted to add something I think is often missed: that it's not only a 1984 scenario we live in, but a little bit of "A Brave New World" coupled with "Fahrenheit" - some moldy love blob of all three that results in very definite retardation of our society on the whole.

Great books, though. Highly recommended. Nine thumbs up!

[–]THEnimble_mongoose 2 points3 points  (1 child)

For example a bipartisan consensus just voted to extend warrantless wiretaps, something far more intrusive than Orwell imagined Big Brother to be.

The NSA and now the CIA have been doing that for decades anyways. Nothing new. They would do it anyways with or without a warrant.

Google, facebook and twitter are private corperations that effectively wiretap us anyways. did you know your phone is constantly listening to you and recording conversation through your microphone? Even when it's turned off?

[–]montrev 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they leak and admit to it now for the panopticon concept. If you know you're being watched you will be paranoid and afraid to speak out of line. Truth is though they can't watch us at all times and even if they record the data of all 7 billion people on earth and keep it in a huge server farm in Utah it'd still be only watched after the fact, they'd search for your name to see what you did if they have a reason to such as you already commiting a crime but they don't know when you just commit a thought crime in your head. They'd rather you just get afraid and never commit thought crimes in the first place.

[–]montrev 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do think sexuality is the reason TPTB can use these tactics to control us so TRP is focusing on the root problem. The rich know men crave sex and that women crave hypergamy so they use that fact to manipulate us. In 1984 the party leaders wanted to eradicate sexuality because it was seen as wasteful, better for their people to focus their energies on hating Emmanuel Goldstein and loving big brother than to focus on their own individual needs for sex. If you as a man want sex you will try to improve yourself and make yourself more attractive. Self? You should only work on improving the parties empire.

[–]1YouLoveThisBTW 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with everything you're saying. How does a responsible adult citizen with children respond to these threats? Please PM me.

[–]crash0311 -3 points-2 points  (9 children)

I agree with the rest of your statement, but do you really think the national socialist party wasnt socialist?

[–]TheNextMilo 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I see what you mean

pro-socialism ideas

NSDAP means Nationalist Socialist German Workers’ Party. Why would the kids tattle on pro socialist ideas?

[–]Snoopy_Doggy 1 points1 points [recovered]

It's historical revisionism to imagine the Nazis were remotely socialist. They in fact sent socialists to the gas chambers.

The use of the term socialism in their moniker is no more relevant than their use of democratic. I.e. it was just marketing.

"rom its rise to power in 1933, the Nazi regime built a series of detention facilities to imprison and eliminate so-called "enemies of the state." Most prisoners in the early concentration camps were German Communists, Socialists, Social Democrats, Roma (Gypsies), Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals, and persons accused of "asocial" or socially deviant behavior. These facilities were called “concentration camps” because those imprisoned there were physically “concentrated” in one location."

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005144

It's a modern American slander of the left to imagine that Nazis were leftist, and completely fucking retarded. Nazis were no more socialists than they were democratic.

[–]TheNextMilo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know the Nazis were right wing mate. Read above what their name means.

[–]montrev 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Nazis, USSR, and FDR's new deal were all corporate socialist. All just same thing but with different official names. All were in collusion during wars and cold wars and used fear and terrorism to control their populaces. China is another one. This was also hinted at in 1984.

[–]Snoopy_Doggy 1 points1 points [recovered]

Wrong. Nazis were not socialists. Fascism means "corporatism" i.e. a merger of corporate and state power into a single whole. This is how the US has been governed now, for decades already. China is a funny case, they are actually more capitalistic than you know. Have you ever done business with China? I have. They are EXTREMELY aggressive in their capitalism.

You trying to imagine Nazis as being leftist makes me think you watch a lot of Fox News. And yet you come here to TRP and imagine you're not 100% blue pill. For shame.

[–]montrev 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah they and also fdr and Russia, and china, bastardized marx. it's more fascism, corporations and the state mixing.

[–]EdAnt -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

You agree with the part where he said warrantless wiretaps are "far more intrusive than Orwell imagined Big Brother"? Because big brother had a camera in your house literally watching and listening to everything you did...

[–]root_pulp 1 point2 points  (1 child)

And yet most people have laptops, cell phones and smart TVs covered with cameras.

Cameras that the last Wikileaks documents revealed could be used to turn on and record remotely without the owners knowledge.

So yes, the warrantless wiretaps can extend to communications including video and audio even when you aren’t expressly recording or conversing.

At least that’s what we know the NSA can do.

Don’t worry though, I’m sure they don’t and won’t. That would be against FreedomTM.

[–]EdAnt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure what this comment has anything to do with my comment. I was just telling the person above me that Orwell obviously imagined the same level of intrusion. I think once there's a camera in your house watching everything you do, it doesn't get more intrusive than that. Calling it "more intrusive than Orwell imagined" is really just splitting hairs.

[–]Jailhouseredpilled93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Must not have read 1984 but point taken.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (2 children)

This isnt America censoring us, its not some evil corporation or some evil government, its just your regular Joe who deletes a comment so it can further his/her narrative.

Who dominates the cultural inputs of society such that people hold onto these narratives and don't think for themselves? There is always a source. My sister hasn't always been a free love, leftist lunatic who legitimately believes in "white privilege" and other bullshit. She began to hold these views when academia started poisoning her mind.

[–]AnOddSeriesOfTubes 1 points1 points [recovered]

Funny, my sister went through college and hated it all so much, she now holds damn near radical right wing beliefs. It’s interesting how exposure to Social Justice dogma leads to either indoctrination into Neo Marxist Social Justice, or its a pathway to the alt right.

[–]parawhore2171 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lauren Southern is your sister?

[–]THEnimble_mongoose 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What George Orwell said in 1984 is coming to pass

We have lived in a mix of 1984 and Brave New World since George HW Bush and the CIA lead a coup against our government and assassinated JFK.

Every election since then has put a groomed deep state puppet in the presidency. They gave us the illusion of choice and freedom. Our votes mean jack shit.

But the population is too distracted, demoralized and pacified by bread and circuses to care.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People think this shit only applies to the right. They completely ignore the fact that if anyone was to start thought policing and censoring , its the people who are already doing it.

[–]Ymoh- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This isnt America censoring us, its not some evil corporation or some evil government, its just your regular Joe

One could fairly argue that the political framework in 1984 is one of the possible consequences of the current censorship being perpetrated by certain groups in our society.

If the idea that thought policing is desirable became popular enough it would only be a matter of time before aspiring rulers started using it as a campaigning promise for a better, more just future for the masses of useful idiots that supported such aberration.

[–]AnOddSeriesOfTubes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can’t remember which book it is that exists in the same general sphere of anti-tyrannical pieces (I think it may be Fahrenheit 451), which hits this point exactly. In this text, the government didn’t pursue censorship, the normal citizens demanded it due to everyone being so offended. I can’t recall for life of me which book it wAs exactly.

[–]montrev 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Winston smith was a regular joe in that story and his job was to do the censoring at the ministry of truth. Now of course he woke up and stopped doing it then got tortured into changing his mind. How many other millions of folks in that universe never woke up and just kept on censoring for the party tho. So really even that part Orwell didn't get wrong.

[–]rationalthought314 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

there is nothing "liberal" about feminism as it neither truly liberates women keeping them in a state of victimhood requiring safe spaces blaming men for all their problems nor is it liberal in an openminded way of considering different points of view

[–]sumshake -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You people are the same... feminazis but just men. It’s assuming your too bias to see that

[–]markdumte 37 points38 points  (5 children)

Marx said its OK to lie if it helps push the right message. Feminists have taken the advice to the heart.

[–]Snoopy_Doggy 0 points0 points [recovered]

Zionists say the same thing, it's ok to lie to Goys / dumb American taxpayers funding their illegal Occupation (Chief Rabbi: "morally no different than milking a cow") but many Americans, both conservative and liberal, buy into the idea they're the victims. No.

Doublethink is everywhere and I'm sure most TRP readers believe some form of propaganda or other. Let's call out feminists but also capitalists and war-mongerers. Communism is dead. People on TRP even think Google is Marxist now, I mean seriously, talk about delusional. They are out to make money and can waste their money on idiotic diversity programs that achieve nothing if they want to. That's not Marxism.

If you worry more about feminism than the power of the Deep State to wreck your life or dominate your thought process or restrict your freedom, then you're blue pill.

It's important to keep things in perspective here. Many Americans also think Obamacare was Marxist when it was in fact an example of fascism, i.e. a merger of state + corporate power, namely the state forcing a redistribution of wealth from private individuals (mostly poor and middle class people) into the hands of wealthy insurance companies who profit when they die early instead of giving them preventative healthcare. The idea that that's Marxist is totally ridiculous. Marxism wasn't about the redistribution of wealth from the poor to the rich.

I hear so much hate against Karl Marx on this board, I'm not a fan myself, but anyone who's 100% capitalist is just as guilty of pushing inhuman policies on the rest of us. Capitalism is what gave the US a military-industrial-entertainment complex. And also what's enabling these women to keep on their rampage of lies. People keep quiet and men like Aziz go along with the metoo movement out of fear for their own livelihoods. That's because of capitalism.

A true "worker's paradise", or union would actually protect men from being summarily fired from their job based on unsubstantiated rumours or false accusations on twitter. This is actually how the law is supposed to work, namely libel laws. But they aren't used because it's more costly than to just find another job or beg forgiveness, like Aziz has done. He's a victim of not only feminists, but the massive amounts of financial pressure to not speak the truth (that she's a dumb cunt crying wolf for attention) which could result in him losing a TV show worth millions of dollars.

Don't blame Marxism for how life in the US is fucked right now, that's moronic.

[–]hugaddiction 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Can we keep the anti semitism off this sub please? Red pill is diminished when you make it a platform for racism. Your "zionist" paranoia is offensive and I think we are here to talk about male female dynamics in this post, not your conspiracy theory nonsense about jews taking advantage of the tax system or other non jews.

[–]Snoopy_Doggy 1 points1 points [recovered]

Anti-zionism isn't anti-semitism, you easily refutable snowflake.

It's not a conspiracy theory at all that zionists control both major US political parties and have near-veto-proof control over all branches of the US government. (witness Obama, to get the Iran Nuke deal passed, had to lobby his own party's Senators over Netanyahu's wishes to kill the deal. This is a violation of their sworn Oath to the Constitution.)

People talk about Marxism all the time here, so this sub is absolutely political and most of the names on the metoo list of Hollywood rapists were Jewish names (even Larry David said so on SNL), who operate largely above the law. Consider that Weinstein sent ex-Mossad goons to plant cocaine on Rose McGowan (to silence her / discredit her) after he was recommended their services of BlackGate by the former Israeli PM, Ehud Barak. And of course Weinstein made a call to his zionist buddy at the NYC DA office to get his rape charges dropped, and another to NBC to drop the rape story.

All these topics are inter-linked. The Red Pill isn't just about getting laid, is it? It's about waking up to the way the world really works, who's in charge, and what their agenda is. Sorry if that offends you, but facts are facts.

[–]hugaddiction 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I admit my response was trollish, aggressive, emotional, and snowflakey. Im going to keep the emotion out of this, and try to talk to you as a fellow red piller, we both believe in what this community represents, or represents to us personally, it has done a great deal for me in my personal development and Im thankful for the material and the members who help make it available.
So, please see me as a fellow community member, and not just as a troll, trying to stir the pot, or a snowflake, taking offense to your comment, or someone not willing to have an informed and rational conversation with you about our differences in beliefs. I am not writing this to try and change your view of how you see these things, I think thats impossible over thread comments for either of us, but I am genuinely concerned when I read things in this thread that are so far right, that they include ideology that attacks a group of people with generalizations other than women. From wikipedia, and if your saying this isn't a reliable source, then I dont know how we even try to have an rational conversation; Zion: is the national movement of the Jewish people that supports the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland. To me this represents the interests of Jews, and maybe not all Jews are Zioists, or vise versa, but Jewish political interests I would say overlap and are similar to Zioist interests, basically for me its hard to point the blame finger at one and not both at the same time. Now that we have established that.Im just going to leave it at that for now and not get into your other ideas I disagree with, but hope that we can agree on that small point.

[–]nizlopiking9494 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wish I could save this comment. So much truth here.

[–]U-94 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just keep your opinions and motives to yourself. If you don't spray paint your ideals (whether sexist, racist, whatever) across a highway underpass, no one can write you a ticket for vandalism. Tell people what they want to hear then go about your merry way.

EX: I loathe children and the idea of raising one but if I'm out with a girl and she asks - I'll pretend to be on the fence about it and mention fuzzy anecdotes about my nieces and nephew.

[–]giantsrocker 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I'm not surprised. Think about it. R /relationship is dominated by chicks trying to understand and discuss their relationship problems with... another women. Not only I doubt they are getting anything out of it, but I'm sure the advise they're getting is probably gender biased and would do nothing to identify the root cause. Ignorance is bliss..

[–]APSTNDPhy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Therpist. #1 bit of advice. Hilarious.

[–]thefisherman1961 37 points38 points  (13 children)

Don’t be mad. Women will always make up half the population and there will always be beta white knights to defend them. Eggs are rare and expensive, sperm is abundant so it is worthless. The feminine imperative will always take precedence, it’s just basic biology.

What matters is that you know the truth and you can use that knowledge to rise above the feminine imperative and all the betas who try to drag you down.

[–]Snoopy_Doggy 3 points3 points [recovered]

Sex robots are going to take most of the low end of the male population out of circulation and contention, which could make enough low SMV women desperate enough to stop being such entitled / whiny cunts. Nah, that won't happen. They'll just get worse.

On the other hand, low SMV people of both sexes will have their fuckability rating increase the second that fitness pills which actually work come out.

Never knock the value of screwing an ugly girl with a super hot body. They work harder for it and are often better lays. The hottest / best looking women tend to be the most selfish in bed. When the lights are out the girl's face doesn't matter much.

[–]blue_27 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Nope. Sex robots are going to range from budget to extremely high end. The hardware will range from lifelike to ... the T-600 model. The software will do anything from to assuage loneliness for a elderly man with Alzheimer's to act as a companion a la Blade Runner 2049.

In 10 years, Alexa and Siri will be fleshlights.

[–]destraht 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cherry 2000 is a surprisingly good campy movie about a guy who adventures to fix a replacement sex robot. Its good cult classic B movie.

[–]APSTNDPhy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That last line is absolutely golden.

[–]hugaddiction 0 points1 point  (0 children)

which one you think will flip first? my money is on Siri

[–]hugaddiction 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The last paragraph pure gold. Very true in my experience. There should be a term for these hot bodied, not naturally beautiful women that have to work hard for it and don't just take it for granted. Like someone who inherits money vs someone that worked for it. Money eared is sweeter than money gifted.

[–]ThePantsThief 0 points1 point  (2 children)

This will never happen. The low life losers who go for sex robots aren't out there talking to girls anyway. That's maybe 5% of our real competition.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It's not that they're fucking the girls, it's that they're inflating the egos. If the orbiters have robo wives to bang, they'll quiet down and stop treating 6s like 10s.

[–]LukesLikeIt -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Let’s be honest there is no shortage of people. For the time being their eggs are just as worthless as our sperm.

[–]thefisherman1961 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That’s not how we evolved to think though

[–]LukesLikeIt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure but it’s the current truth

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (8 children)

There's a difference between following the instincts that allowed us to perpetuate as a species, being persistent, and not taking into account your persistence is coming off as needy and revolting.

Not accepting a firm no, makes YOU look bad. Being unable to gracefully exit a situation with good humor demonstrates you are over invested in the interaction.

Debasing yourself by sniveling and begging, is disgusting because it demonstrates you have no other options.

In the Azis case, maybe he just had an off night, but being famous he needs to adjust his crazy radar better.

The metoo movement and rewriting events to suit your current rationalization just demonstrates how crazy the hampster really is. With no firm foundation of reality, it really shows why women are drawn to stoic unshakable masculine men. We are the foundation, while they're redecorating the kitchen for the 15th time. Living within an ever shifting reality, it must be nice to have a man that doesn't shift constantly.

*Edit for auto correct

[–]Jaang_Empire 49 points50 points  (5 children)

Not accepting a firm no, makes YOU look bad.

Yes, but, "OMG, you're such an asshole!" said with a big grin while she reaches out to touch your biceps isn't a firm no. It's a firm yes.

Only 20 or 30 years later, in hindsight, does it turn into "I told him he was an asshole, but he just wouldn't stop."

[–]UCISee 24 points25 points  (2 children)

This is probably the most relevant point here. This girl in the Ansari case was willing. She blew him for Christ’s sake. Then later was convinced it was not consensual, and then simply wrote a blog post about it. BAM! Guilty in the court of public opinion. It just didn’t take her 20 or 30 years, it was immediate.

[–]Snoopy_Doggy 2 points2 points [recovered]

It took fourth months, until the day after he won a Golden Globes award. Curious timing, right?

She's a gold-digger looking for a payout. (book deal, sympathy, job as a professional whiner / victim, etc)

[–]KeithRSRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought I read the neighbor incident supposedly occurred back in 2016? Anyways, I'm not trying to squabble over minor details since I agree.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Does this actually happen? Or is it merely just speculated?

I’ve had my fair share of “Chad moments”.. from banging “friend zone” chicks to girls in relationships.. always had that leather jacket bad boy James dean thing going on.. I’ve never been accused of rape molestation or even just plain being a shitty dude.

I’ve had these girls flip out on me too. Almost all of them. Some got weird and distant after, but never had the cops show up to arrest me, restraining order or any of that.

Then again I’m an average broke dude and not some tv star millionaire.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

firm no

LOL where was the firm no exactly?

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

"repeated no's" = "firm no". Either has the same result. But good catch, I should've said repeated no's.

Escalating past playful token resistance, is way different than trying to negotiate attraction/begging. One demonstrates skill, the other demonstrates low smv and no abundance mentality.

[–]Luckylancer96 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Take screenshots next time. That would make a nice bluepill example post.

[–]M1ster_X 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would love to have seen the reactions myself as well.

[–]bastardstepchild 17 points18 points  (3 children)

deleted from relationships

Surprised they didn’t just ban you for not being a feminist. That sub is a “safe space”.

[–]APSTNDPhy 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yea I get banned from too many subs about every year and have to make a new account. Always the same ones. Funny that.

[–]bastardstepchild 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I did that for a while and the reddit gestapo caught me and suspended all my other accounts.

[–]APSTNDPhy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mmm how? My IP is shared and dynamic so I'm not seeing how they could ban an account I've not made yet.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That’s so hilarious. Thanks for sharing that. I’m glad some people have the time to fuck with those subs like that.

[–]juniorman00 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Women set the bar for guys by Cosmopolitan Standards and guys set the bar for women at “just look up from your goddamn phone for a minute!”

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 6 points7 points  (6 children)

I hear tell (from their rogue mod) that the Booptards have freshly minted accounts complain about finding their husband's MRP reddit account--once or twice a week. Uh huh. Rian, what have you done to these poor delicate creatures?

Reddit outrage has become a performance art.

[–]Fyrjefe 0 points1 point  (4 children)

We have a brother (or sister) on the inside? Nice. It's no surprise that we see these performances. Nowadays, you have to check the poster's profile as one of the many measures to gauge the truthfulness of it all. Not all of them will be calling themselves "throwawayaccount69" but "totallyhadthisaccountsince2009Iswear".

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 2 points3 points  (3 children)

They wear mod flair like pussy hats so nothing too special, but yes, they have a rogue mod that thinks they are insane.

[–]Rian_Stone 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Have you ever seen their chicken session around bluepillprofessor? theres one that admits to stalking him for 3 years, and has saved every comment of his. They were swapping notes about everything they could of his personal information. We had to engage the reddit admins, who begrudgingly told them to take it to private.

Their head chicken, wigglycharlie posts everything, and I'm pretty sure she has an alt mod in PPD, who has even managed to scare of the feminist girls from that place.

Crazy doesn't begin to describe it. Self admitted wifes who had husbands smack em around, and project that onto every man they see. It would be sad, if it wasn't potentially dangerous to guys.

I take solice, in that they have no shame about admitting all of it, which only makes the angry new incel here look more reasonable

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

chicken session around bluepillprofessor

He drives them absolutely insane. It's hilarious. The only time I see that in the real world is when they harbor (not so) secret feelings for said target.

[–]Rian_Stone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the assumption. Rp for them is like romance novels for chicks

[–]frankreyes 5 points6 points  (5 children)

I remember that someone actually did a very similar experiment intentionally, posting a sex-flipped post on relationships, and it may be that this could be the one. The older story was real but the newer one was fake, to show how people actually responded to differences in sex.

[–]mwait 2 points3 points  (4 children)

It's quite possible that this was that experiment. The posts were identical, word-for-word, just with the genders, pronouns, etc switched.

I found the response really interesting, but not particularly surprising. I just wish they hadn't been deleted so quickly.

[–]frankreyes 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I think is was this one, at the OkCupid sub

http://archive.is/m71oY

TL;DR: Guy trolls OKCupid sub hard by copying a woman's thread from a year ago with the genders flipped and getting opposite responses, takes the opportunity to post about it and call them out and their heads explode.

[–]mwait 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It was definitely on relationships... I don't spend any time in OkCupid.

That's a great read though.

[–]APSTNDPhy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh. My. God. The comments on OKC all just calling him a loser are mind blowing. The truth is just swept aside. 'nah, don't like it, not true'

[–]bearmanpig4 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've always thought it would be interesting to see how people on Reddit would react to that exact situation. Take a post where the female is clearly in the wrong and comments support her, then flip genders just like you described and see if it enlightens people to their gender bias.

Glad I didn't go through the effort myself to have it censured away by some SJW.

Enjoy the decline, boys.

[–]rationalthought314 2 points3 points  (1 child)

you can't expect consistency in women and they hate when they are shown to be both inconsistent and hypocritical. It gets in the way of their "feels"

[–]saibot83 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Woman.exe malfunctions instantly.

[–]Deydelis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Huge double standards. However for men those standards come with false accusations jail time and ruined lives.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is awesome. I am so checked out of the majority of everyday bullshit conversations.

[–]RedPillHanSolo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Makes you really think of what garbage social media is. I don't think of myself as tinfoil-wearing conspiracy guy, but shilling and pushing agenda by all means necessary really makes you think...

[–]montrev 0 points1 point  (0 children)

on relationships all the stories are fake and people do them for creative writing assignments and to get feedback. I bet someone did the first thread then waited 6 months to do a gender swapped one to see how people reacted. Solid social experiment by whomever did that.

[–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i don't see why people go on those subreddits at all... waste of time and life

[–]CaleebTalib -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Reddit doesn't want you to think for yourself silly

[–]mubee94 151 points152 points  (24 children)

Yes I saw this comment in TwoX I think. And in my opinion if men weren't persistent 90% of sex wouldn't simply be happening. As much as women want to say they are strong independent they still want the man to initiate sex mostly.

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 72 points73 points  (14 children)

I just laugh whenever I see women not realize they built a prison with their own hands, on one hand many women are lamenting the fact that men don’t approach them anymore, but in the other hand stand with torches and pitchforks on their witch hunt looking for the head of any male who doesn’t ask consent to touch them.

Hamster still probably blames men too

[–]mubee94 41 points42 points  (9 children)

Yeah even a chad is not safe in this current situation in US. If a chad doesn't commit, she can just come and say he assaulted her simply. The man can easily lose his job just simply from the accusation. I think pussy has just became a risky proposition. If a women doesn't get what she wants from a man now, she can just meToo on her fb lol

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 19 points20 points  (8 children)

I'd rather drop money on a hooker than deal with the bullshit of "dating" in today's climate, consent is confirmed.

[–]mubee94 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Agreed. If you got money why not get a high end escort. After all women are prostitutes. They get paid for sex one way or another. Hookers are lot cheaper without drama in long term

[–]LukesLikeIt 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Plus once they stop using their pussy as a control mekanism over you (like a hooker doesn’t) they become so much funner to be around.

[–]mangoat12 1 points1 points [recovered]

Agreed. Don't need to worry about divorce rape or child support either. Just think of all the hookers you could buy with that money that comes out of the paycheck. Forced by the state of course, or you end up in prison

[–]mubee94 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah imagine having hookers with the money Aziz has. He can have high end hookers easily for the rest of his life without any worries of accusations or child support.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

how do people find hookers anyway?

It's not like it's legal

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Ever heard of the internet?

[–]endertheender 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or just going to a country/City/State that's legal (i.e. Vegas/Nevade/Reno Probably some Indian reservations, or other countries (Germany for one)).

Yes there is a law that says if you do stuff that's illegal in your home state abroad, that you can be prosecuted, but well. . .you can change your residency to Nevada if you want to get prostitutes. Or, just move to Nevada

This is not rocket science u/Valhalla_Man

[–]Talonx4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Eros. And you have to remember the grey areas. You can't pay a woman for sex, but you can pay for her company for a time. And then whatever happens with two consenting adults is no business of the law.

Dos and don'ts.

Do leave money laying out on the dresser in plain sight.

Do read the reviews.

Do mention that you just want someone to watch TV with, or go to dinner with.

Do leave the area if they start discussing money.

Do let the escort initiate everything.

Do not make any agreements with the escort for money. Not even extra time, extra favors, ect...

Do not go to a strange area or a building unfamiliar to you.

Do not have extra cash on you.

Do not initiate it insinuate anything.

[–]cant_fix_crazy 17 points18 points  (2 children)

And at the same time many of them have secret rape fantasies or at least want rough sex. Just met one the other day who went on and on about how “all men in Miami suck because they don’t want to date a divorce lawyer with 2 kids”...

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 18 points19 points  (0 children)

“all men in Miami suck because they don’t want to date a divorce lawyer with 2 kids”...

Translated from hamster-speak to english:

All the men [remaining I haven't written off as undesirable betas] in Miami suck because they don't want to date a [confrontational and delusional] divorce lawyer with 2 kids [who expects a "real" man to provide for her ill-begotten spawn from a different man with minimal sex provided].

[–]APSTNDPhy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Currently on -20 for bringing this up in another sub

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At least we can all rest knowing the nation's population of cats will be well-cared for.

[–]Fake_Credentials 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Never met a single girl who didn't like it rough

[–]APSTNDPhy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha I've just been posting about this elsewhere. Not going down too good.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 144 points145 points  (0 children)

“When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.”

― George R.R. Martin

[–]Kevo4ever 84 points85 points  (32 children)

Anytime I feel the urge to post something somewhere on the internet I always think of the audience that will see my message and this:

"Don't waste what is holy on people who are unholy. Don't throw your pearls to pigs! They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you." Matthew 7:6 EDIT:I'm not religious btw, but I do like some on the shit the bible says.

[–]Bammer1386 30 points31 points  (4 children)

As bullshit as the bible fairytale is, there are a lot of good quotes and lessons that most followers completely miss.

[–]Kevo4ever 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Agreed on the bullshit and good quotes. I take what's good, leave the rest.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

That's the whole point of most religious texts isn't it? Wrap good messages in a fairytale so that people wont eat meat most likely to get them sick and they won't kill each other so the society can actually get some shit done.

[–]Bammer1386 3 points4 points  (1 child)

To an extent, yes. Religious texts with spontaneously burning bushes, multiplying bread loaves, and resurrection certainly had their place amongst goat farmers with little knowledge of science and empiricism, the problem is when religion outlives its usefulness and becomes a deteiment to the overall well being of a society. We have people killing each other because of religion for years or people imposing their own agenas that violate other's rights, which lead to political shitstorms and violence.

[–]Wolfengristl 1 points1 points [recovered]

Why does everyone who posts a relevant bible quote have to reassure their audience that they aren't religious?

Why do you care what the internet people think about your theism or atheism?

[–]UshankaDalek 9 points10 points  (8 children)

Because many (perhaps the majority of) users on this subreddit view religious people with disdain.

[–]TheWrathofShane 7 points8 points  (7 children)

I believe God created all things, established his covenant with mankind through Jesus Christ.

This leads me to value ~Love ~Forgiveness ~Mercy ~Marriage and family ~Faithfulness

Now why do you disdain me? ( ͡↑ ͜ʖ ͡↑)

[–]ShotgunTRP 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Truuuuust iiiiiin myyyyyyyy self righteous suiciiiiiiiide. Iiii cryyyyyy when angels deserve to dieeeeeee

[–]TheWrathofShane 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Chop suey system of a down. One of my favorites in high school. Is it really a suicide though if you are going to be sitting enthroned in heaven on the right hand judgement seat of the Allmighty God?

[–]ShotgunTRP 0 points1 point  (3 children)

When u said why do you disdain me it made me think "why have you forsay kenn... mee" triggering my autism

[–]TheWrathofShane 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Oh okay. Do you actually have autism or was that sarcasm? I am curious. I have a cousin with autism. When yours gets triggered, what symptoms do you experience? He is borderline so your testimony could help me understand him a bit better.

[–]ShotgunTRP 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If I do it's not diagnosed. I was being facetious.

Maybe I do idk

[–]disposable_pants 2 points3 points  (2 children)

If you're a bible thumper thumping your bible at the pagan masses, they're just going to tell you to fuck off. If you point out to them that you're not really bible thumping, you just like the message of that particular quote, they'll consider it. Actual bible thumpers (supposedly) will consider the text of the bible no matter who it's coming from.

It's a way of reaching a broader audience.

[–]endertheender 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Fuck the broader audience, if people get triggered because someone said "the bible had an interesting take on this", and said what that take was, who gives a shit if dumbasses get mad about it. and if you do, people will still call you out on being an insufferable cunt. seriously, there was no reason for the guy to be bashed, like at all. The guy wasn't saying "see?!?! this is why you need jesus, CONVERT!" he just pointed out a fucking quote. wtf is wrong with you people ffs.

[–]disposable_pants 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're talking about how things should be; I'm talking about how things are. If you want to communicate effectively, the latter is more relevant.

[–]EcoSlaves 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Because it's relevant. Someone who uses things out of the Bible and are not religious aren't super duper common

[–]yungassed 3 points4 points  (3 children)

That's not he was saying, if the quote is revelant, it will be able to stand alone by it's own merit. It is never necessary to say you are religious or not because that should have no effect on the relevance of the quote and adds nothing to the discussion, similar to someone stating my opinion as a women/mother/hamplanet.

[–]Fyrjefe 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I think he's doing that new trendy thing of "disavowing". I definitely agree with you. If I quote Hemmingway or Chesterton, I don't feel the need to tell everyone what I think about their works. I think when it comes to religion it's a reflexive virtue signal: "I'm not a closed minded bible thumper, I just liked that quote. Don't shun me!". It's not any one person's fault.

[–]Wolfengristl 1 points1 points [recovered]

Doesn't TRP hate virtue signalling?

If I quote a relevant bible quote, I don't need to defend myself from a goddamn thing.

[–]Fyrjefe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Doesn't mean that members aren't immune to doing it. Believing in God is not popular and a lot of people like to let others know that.

[–]antariusz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wish I could quote the Bible, but I’m bad with quotes in general.

Lot of red pill wisdom there. (Also some blue pill shit).

But I have been an atheist for the last 20 of my 35 years of life.

As I got older, I saw the Bible for what it was meant to be, a “guide” for life, not just for spirituality.

[–]endertheender 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You sound like an athiest.

How do I know? Because whenever someone brings up religion, athiests "Reeeee" all over the place like what you're doing. You act like the guy kicked your dog or something.

getting triggered over someone basically saying "the bible had some good ideas in it" is beta.

Focus on improving yourself, then maybe someone quoting a religious book won't get your panties in a bunch.

Stop it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

don't cast your Oysters before Bacon.

[–]Indubitably_Confused 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's pretty much my thought/action now, save for the Jesus quotes. The White Knights' audacity to reinforce stupidity blows me away every time.

[–]noPTSDformePlease 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not religious btw, but I do like some on the shit the bible says.

you would love Jordan Peterson. check out his interview on the Joe Rogan podcast.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

The Bible is a book of metaphors designed to compound the wisdom of western (and world Christians now) for the last 2000 years or so.

People who take the Bible as literal fact and can’t comprehend that the politics of history are very complicated are sophomoric idiots who just want to tear down structures for making them feel uncomfortable.

Sure the church had its fair share of corruption but the church is a political body run by earthly mortals at the end of the day, so it’s subject to error. (Along with all other religious institutions)

[–]2Dmva100 76 points77 points  (8 children)

TwoX is a misandric cesspool of undesirable feminist women who support the left because such associated political agendas incentivize AF/BB.

[–]askmrcia 47 points48 points  (4 children)

Has anyone watched the espn documentary "broke?"

I remember one thing that stood out from that film. The women openly admitted how they had an entire website and networking system that kept them up to date where pro athletes were at. So they could meet them and try and use that athlete for money (through sex, false sexual assaults, and trying to get pregnant).

Funny how not one feminist brings that up. Considering how this case took off and all this meTwo shit, no one talks how women use and manipulate men.

And in this case this guy didn't get manipulated and now he's some evil sex abuser. Give me a break

So that's a clear example of being persistent, but hey it's only wrong when men do it.

[–]saibot83 18 points19 points  (1 child)

There are some crafty ass hoes out there.

[–]RedPillHanSolo 8 points9 points  (1 child)

The women openly admitted how they had an entire website and networking system that kept them up to date where pro athletes were at. So they could meet them and try and use that athlete for money (through sex, false sexual assaults, and trying to get pregnant).

This is just sick. I think that now, more than ever, being a man worth a damn is staying 100% vigilant all the time. The instance you given in and make an exception for anyone else than your family, you are going down.

[–]askmrcia 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It gets even better. On that documentary, the women justified it saying its the athletes fault for wanting to try and impress women when they go out to clubs. So they said the women have every right to use them because that's what the athletes really wanted.

[–]TheMistakesWeMake 112 points113 points  (14 children)

If you wrestle with pigs, you're gonna get covered in shit. Save yourself the time/effort and don't bother posting there in the future; you won't change their minds.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (12 children)

give up

won't change shit

Please get rid of this attitude. At least learn this much from them. If you keep on persisting you might win someday. Nobody likes SJWs at start. But they kept on persisting until they won the narrative. And then they changed the rules themselves. It's why we never win the narrative. Most of us easily give up. They on the other hand is united in their goals and persistent till the end.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (7 children)

If you're persistent in wrestling with pigs, win or lose you're still just wrestling with pigs and getting covered in shit.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (6 children)

These pigs change the government,media and narrative fam.They were ready to get shit thrown to get what they want.Sorry if it sound rude but if you think you can get any of what they did without sacrificing a little comfort then get ready to live a long life spent whining about them.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

if you think you can get any of what they did

get what? Shit?

sacrificing a little comfort

to get shit?

to live a long life spent whining about them.

Stop whining. That is what bitches do.

Show them the body you chiseled and the financial success you earned and how much you don't give a shit. If you devote your time to playing with pigs that is what you're going to be.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

get shit

Yeah,constitutional amendments and mainstream narrative are all shit.

Stop whining.Thats what bitches do.

And no wonder why the loudest bitches change the rules of the game.

chisel your body

What's that going to achieve?Do you think you can scare the government and the media into submission by showing off your six abs?

Meanwhile 'unchiseled' protesters take it to the streets and halts public life itself.

the financial success you earned

And get fired for having an opinion?

how much you don't give a shit

If you devote your time to playing with pigs that is what you're going to be

Yeah,have that defeatist mentality and we sure are going to win.Just wait for the based generation Z to take over.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Take a step back and consider what my point is:

The direction of your pursuit matters.

You can do what the pigs do and 10 years down the line you'll still be doing what they do. Sure maybe you may of stalled their progress or even won, but you're still a pig.

When people are talking about horses someone invented cars. When someone criticize and whine about not being able to fly, some people decided to take action and invented airplanes.

The point is, you can keep being the loudest bitch ever but you ain't ever going to get an airplane. In the end you'll just be a bitch.

Listen, you're doing a lot of what they're doing right now. Look at your points, they're literally changing the subjects or fitting my points into things that doesn't even matter.

I mean seriously, is anyone talking about going to court to show off your 6 pack abs? Is anyone talking about financial success= having an opinion and getting fired? I don't understand how you get from x to y from my point when all along my point has always been to choose the right road to go down so you don't waste time on the things that don't matter.

You can be the loudest, biggest, meanest kid on the block. You're still just a kid.

If you really want to change the government, I'm telling you they're just being used. The person who changes the government has mad cash. And without health you have nothing left, you can't even think straight.

Please think about it more before replying. I guarantee most next responses would take my sentences point by point and redirect it to something else when I had only one point to begin with; consider your opportunity costs.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’d say most people (even college kids) still find SJWs annoying as shit. They’re just loud.

[–]JackGetsIt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We will never win because men operate better in small teams. Men don't act as a communist collective. Smart powerful men are actually driving a lot of this feminist sentiment and riding it and profiting off it. If men truly wanted to change all this it could be fixed tomorrow because men control every aspect of society.

[–]22Luika 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree. But remember that we in the other hand HAVE A LIFE.

[–]Dead_Art -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Plus it's fun to watch them REEEEEEEEE

[–]TheWrathofShane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its not about "change", its about logically destroying them to the point where they break down into the fetal position and cry man attack to their fellow manginas. Think of it as an intellectual boxing arena, you want to leave your opponent savaged and bloodied.

[–]p3n1x 57 points58 points  (35 children)

Women are starting to act really appalled when men are persistent in their advances.

Not if you are worthy.
Getting beta bombed because some modern-day weak men are told to be persistent must be irritating.

The Aziz story is a difficult one. That dude is not Alpha, his celebrity and money set off confusing tingles.

and willing to fail

Most men do NOT handle rejection well. Your first paragraph is a sniveling explanation of confidence. You bated another group of people and are trying to negotiate 'beta' with them. Why?

Think about how many stories you’ve heard about the persistent guy who lands the great girl.

Never, this is hollywood hamster bullshit. I know a bunch of persistent guys that are in Orbit.... or socially shamed for being a false representation.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (3 children)

Lol, women handle rejection much worse than men.

Since they are vanity-centered and ego-centered, they'll go any length to express interest maintaining plausible deniability. It's needed for their myopical egos to tell themselves "he's crazy, I never wanted him" the moment they get rejected with a tad less hypocrisy than their egos demand.

Even at age 40 the average female will lapse into the silliest, most hallucinatory theatrics, in front of a non-hypocritical rejection.

Males may get angry, but at least don't need psychological dissociation (hallucination) to cope with rejection, and aren't driven by the need to avoid it as the prime force shaping their behaviour.

Side note: It's female hypocrisy (due not to kindness, but to the compelling need they feel to adhere to a reality show "polite" image of themselves: they feel they are on a program broadcast live all the time) to make rejection doubtful, give leeway to hope, thus adding to confusion and frustration for the males.

[–]wracky272 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Hahaha, ever see a woman try to have sex and get rejected? It literally doesn't compute. Attractive women are used to not even playing the sex card. Seeing them play it and then still get rejected is actually hilarious.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you reject their sexual advances while still acting as if you like them, it'll only double their arousal.

Another arousal-increasing option is the push-pull game.

[–]p3n1x 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Lol, women handle rejection much worse than men.

I agree, but this has nothing to do with my point. And good luck trying to "point that out" to a woman.

Males may get angry, but at least don't need psychological dissociation (hallucination) to cope with rejection,

This isn't true. Rejected dudes usually blame the girl "for not knowing what she is missing out on" OR "she's a whore anyway, I can do better". To say men don't hamster away rejection is blind.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (4 children)

Exactly. Women know within seconds of meeting you if they’d fuck you. Persistence is for orbiters. If you aren’t getting laid without wearing them down maybe you should be wearing yourself down in the gym.

[–]blikewater69 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Not true, heard so many damn stories from girls I know that they did not say yes to a date until the guy tried the 3rd or 4th times. But the line between playing hard to get and not interested is very blurred. It is true a girl will decide if a guy is fuckable within 5 seconds of meeting. But so does a guy?

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Asking a couple times isn’t persistence. It’s playing the game. If a woman can make you wait 4 times she’s establishing her dominance and putting herself on a pedestal and you should probably next. The difference in your perceived SMV differs too much. For each of those women who made a guy ask 4 times I guarantee you there’s a guy she wouldn’t make ask twice.

[–]bcdude2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Does that matter though? Both of them got laid in the end. More props to the dude that made it happen when she wasn't into him. Let's just assume interest is the same for both guys.

[–]destraht 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There have been times that I only realized that I liked a woman until I was banging her. Sometimes a woman isn't my type but then she squeezes right or has a better body than I thought, is fun in bed, etc.

[–]Celicni 7 points8 points  (13 children)

Never, this is Hollywood hamster bullshit.

Actually, as shocked as I was, a week ago I heard that my ex-friend (for reasons unrelated) has finally gotten together with the girl he's been "in love with" for 15 years. 15 years of orbiting. Guess it paid off for him.

I will however note that it's after the chick started smoking, got all kinds of toxic feminist ideas in her head, and cut her hair very short (at the very least halving her SMV since it looks pretty bad right now).

[–]p3n1x 16 points17 points  (10 children)

Guess it paid off for him.

Did it? He certainly did not get the version he originally fell in love with.

[–]Celicni 3 points4 points  (9 children)

Well, no he didn't. He was actually pretty fucking pissed when she cut her hair. But he "got out of the friendzone".

[–]p3n1x 4 points5 points  (8 children)

Good moment to reflect here. Not to do the "did he" repetition. But he didn't really leave the "friend-zone", he simply left the "no sex" zone. I will assume she treats him the same way she did pre-sex.

Getting "out" of the friend-zone with marionette strings attached is not a success.

[–]Celicni 0 points1 point  (7 children)

I assume that the main problem with the "friendzone" IS the "no sex" zone.

[–]p3n1x 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Most of the time yes, but sometimes she needs a "safe fuck". Most often this is incredibly misunderstood by the male and they end up becoming a basic beta provider.

[–]TheWrathofShane 0 points1 point  (5 children)

This is why christian culture is way fucking better. The females are actually taught to have values, to seek a provider / father, and to marry for life.

[–]p3n1x -1 points0 points  (4 children)

to marry for life.

Sounds like pure hell. Gatekeep somewhere else.

[–]TheWrathofShane 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Because having your father in the home with your mother in a stable upbringing is "pure hell".

If the human race is going to continue to exist, people are going to have to have children. When people have children, what is a better upbringing, a nuclear family that sticks together for life or the current divorce culture created by secularism and feminism?

[–]DextroShade 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It doesn't sound like it payed off to me. Short-haired feminists are cancer.

[–]Casanova-Quinn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

15 years of orbiting. Guess it paid off for him.

It didn't pay off for him, but it did for her. Your ex-friend is Mr. Plan B to this woman. The backup guy who she knows will be there for her after she sleeps with all the alphas in her youth. The only reason she's dating your ex-friend now is because her SMV has dropped and she no longer attracts alphas. Classic beta bux situation.

[–]lobocop 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Even in the bedroom certain behavior is tolerated by women only from Alphas. The problem with thousands of men reading field reports online is we don’t have any calibration for WHO is getting away with what. The probably with the Aziz situation is that he is probably alpha af until he gets his clothes off and then suddenly she wasn’t physically as attracted as she thought she was. Definitely a case of confusing tingles and buyer’s remorse...

[–]tybyday 1 points1 points [recovered]

So as a man you don’t get to try unless you’re worthy? And who determines this worthiness, the woman? If the woman determines who is worthy to attempt to engage with her, how does she let others know before they commit the horrific act of trying to hit on her? What a load of shit.

[–]DrankOfSmell 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hitting on her the first time isn't persistence

[–]p3n1x 2 points3 points  (3 children)

So as a man you don’t get to try unless you’re worthy?

I'm saying don't be an annoying ass mosquito after rejection, you aren't going to "bully" your way into her pants.

and who determines this worthiness, the woman?

YES, why is this so hard to conceive? It is HER pussy. If she says no, wtf are you going to do about it other than cry "bullshit maaan".

how does she let others know before they commit the horrific act of trying to hit on her? What a load of shit.

Body language. IOI's. It seems you skipped the sidebar before accusing the shit level of information. Go back to fapping or learn to accept the potential of new ideas.

[–]tybyday 1 points1 points [recovered]

Of course she determines her own level of interest. It sounds like we are arguing two different points because I agree about not being an ass when interest is not reciprocated. What makes me aggravated is the expectation that men show no interest in her when she’s not attracted to you. Approaching behavior is acceptable and encouraged (if she finds you attractive) on a personal level, yet is punished when you are not. It’s more than men just being assholes and not taking no for an answer. It has now become a way to control men. Good looking men are allowed to interact with women, others are relegated to dumping the trash.

[–]p3n1x 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It has now become a way to control men.

Good point, the game HAS changed. It is easier for woman to 'parse' potential mates now than it was a mere 30 years ago, much less hundreds of years ago. The tingles though, biologically, have changed very little.

yet is punished when you are not.

I don't think this is 'new' per se, it can be perceived that the magnitude is greater. But that could just be basic science. The top 20% mate, regardless of population size.

This is why it is preached so hard to drop social media and unplug from the screaming echo chambers of media. False sense of reality right? Hence, you eat a red pill. Beta's are always shamed for trying to represent worthiness when they are not.

My point was, definitely make attempts, but learn from the rejections. Don't climb under a rock and cry 'foul' or become an annoying ass of repeated idiocy.

[–]blikewater69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

don't let it frustrate you, man. the women of Reddit don't represent the whole women population. 90% of women I know are not like this. They take half responsibility for their actions. And will simple thanks but no thanks if you advance on them and they are not interested. there are some feminist on reddit making the whole group look bad. Feminists like Grace.

[–]blikewater69 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

don't let it frustrate you, man. the women of Reddit don't represent the whole women population. 90% of women I know are not like this. They take half responsibility for their actions. And will simple thanks but no thanks if you advance on them and they are not interested. there are some feminist on reddit making the whole group look bad. Feminists like Grace.

[–]TheWrathofShane -1 points0 points  (2 children)

The Aziz story is a difficult one. That dude is not Alpha, his celebrity and money set off confusing tingles.

Aziz literally doesnt need to be "alpha". He is doing fine man, massively successful, rich, girls throwing themselves at him. The news keeps calling his night out a "terrible date".

Terrible date? TERRIBLE??? Whats terrible about getting milked twice by an attractive young babe on the first date? That sounds like an amazing date to me!!

If Grace wasnt into it, why did she milk his cock twice? The story makes a lot more sense when you imagine grace using skilled technique and getting into it, but only getting mad after she realizes this is a pump and dump, and not her dream of becoming hollywood girlfriend.

I know a bunch of persistent guys that are in Orbit.... or socially shamed for being a false representation.

Nothing more sad and pathetic then a dude orbiting a chick while she jumps from hookup to hookup. Its absolutely disgusting, man up and smell the fucking roses. A lot of movies are themed around an orbiter who the chick hooks up with at the end when she realizes her boyfriend is a jerk and her friend really cares. Nothing could be more untrue and pathetic.

If you want a relationship, go find someone else who is interested and available to court... Jesus Christ, shes is never going to hook up with you and if she does she is going to dump you afterwards.

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If Grace wasnt into it, why did she milk his cock twice?

Regret is reactionary. I'm not defending the chick, just saying guys defending Aziz like it is a war need to back down and identify the why. Hence, my comment about confused tingles.

[–]TheWrathofShane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No shit it was a case of simple regret. It is a culture war btw and I dont need to back down or identitfy the why, I already understand the why. Grace is a confused skank who has never soul searched herself in her entire life, because being a young attractive female she has high SMV and the world revolves around her.

[–]Self-honest 9 points10 points  (7 children)

The problem with this specific situation is he wasn't persistent in the right way. If you hit a road bump or experience a failure, you don't go back and do it again the same way. You adjust and keep pushing for what you want to achieve. Aziz kept trying the same shit over and over. I agree that persistence is key in success. There are a lot of other elements at play in the overall success as well. Success would have been making this girl comfortable enough to allow herself to be turned on and receptive to getting fucked. His persistence obviously didn't work.

I agree with your perspective in part, but you have to admit that there is a lot more to success than persistence alone.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 30 points31 points  (4 children)

No, Aziz acted based on the signals she was giving off. If a chick sucks my dick with little to no resistance, of course I'm going to try to continue on to full on sex. Women almost always given token resistant, hell they have been told to do that in magazine and web articles before they even truly understand what sex is.

The problem wasn't that she wasn't turned on, if she wasn't turn on stop the date and leave, the problem is she expected something from him. She expected something without letting the expectation be known, Aziz was suppose to just figure that out. Aziz was suppose to just know the cheating whore in front of him was actually a princess that deserved his showering love and affection. Of course this was suppose to all come with no expectations on her, hell Aziz was suppose to even know her wine preference via telepathy. Worse yet, he was suppose to know of the tally mark against him when he chose the wrong wine that she still graciously accepted and drank cheerfully without mention, I'm sure.

Well Aziz had another expectation, and by all accounts Aziz's expectation was much more likely to be coming to true. Some chick was literally throwing herself at him, with HIS continued dismissal. Said chick, then throws up little to no actual resistance which engaging in foreplay and oral sex acts. Then she gets mad when a loot box doesn't appear in front of her with the title of Miss Anzari for her taking.

That's it, 2 grown adults who couldn't let each other know their expectations of the night so they just fumbled around like timid teenagers after prom until it got awkward enough that she felt regret.

The Aziz thing is nothing but the result of:

2 females riding a movement for personal gain

The fact that yellow journalism is completely controlling social media and news outlets

Media using hysteria to promote themselves.

The 2 women though by writing that 2000 word wanna be shades of grey porn piece that they were going to push the MeToo movement to a new height with whatever sorry feminist "news" site with it. But, because they are both horrible writers and it is really hard to make a convincing rape story out of a sperglord just fucking up a date it backfired. You can already tell there is unrepairable damage to the whole MeToo thing because of this.

[–]Robx9001 7 points8 points  (1 child)

This whole thing probably started when her friend said, “you sucked his dick?”

[–]Self-honest 6 points7 points  (0 children)

We're on the same page. He was a sperglord who fucked up a date. Nothing more. My point was that his persistence didn't pay off with success. He didn't fuck her. So there is more to success than persistence alone.

[–]-firemelon- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

he messed up having a meal with her in the first place. That's what changed the polarity and made her think she could get him to reduce his independence and commit to her. An impossibly high status man. It should have been hey do you want to come over to my house and it would have gone fine. Or just a drink at the most.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Persistence + tactics + deception + charming superficiality. There definitely is a lot more to success than persistence, and persistence itself shall be practiced but under a veil of indifference.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it worked since she actually sucked his dick.

[–]Imthatguyyo 29 points30 points  (2 children)

I disagree with you. You need to have an abundance mentality. If a girl says no move on from her and go for the next girl. You telling others to be “persistent” is just going to set them up for having a oneitis

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm with you, though I still get what OP is saying. Unless you are highly desired, you're gonna have some dry streaks with that mindset.

The issue isn't the one single guy though. The problem is that most dudes are thirsty as fuck so if you walk away she just moves on to the next thirsty dude willing to put up with her resistance.

[–]JackGetsIt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women are so hyper self inflated to today that your value has to be sky high for them not to say no. The key is to demonstrate value before you actually address her so that she can build you up. Next you need to engage physically. You immediately follow this up with nurturing dependence. Finally neglect, inspire, and separate entirely.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This isn't necessarily for OP since he at least offered some analysis and some of his own perspective, but...

Why the fuck are all you idiots posting in relationships and twox and all these other subreddits? What do you hope to achieve by "slipping in your red pill wisdom" amongst the hamsters? What you think they will be red pilled and then you'll be crowned Moses of the cucks and feminists?

Why do you guys always act surprised when they ban / downvote you. You went in trying to get some attention and be the "rebel" in some environment where you knew damn well they didn't want to hear your shit. Like all these commenters like "yeah I have all these deleted comments from relationships"

Well... that means you're wasting your fucking time trolling for a reaction in a cucked subreddit. All you guys posting about the red pill and shit on threads where you think maybe people will come around, like a thread about a woman cheating... what's the point? What is there to be gained.

Stop this shit. Enough is enough - no "red pilled man" is out there arguing on twox. When you see those super downvoted red pill comments on any twox thread, do you ever think "wow that guy is one tough badass, I bet he gets more pussy that he can handle"?

[–]radixaf 26 points27 points  (6 children)

We need less posts like this. As men we shouldn’t be blaming women for what they are; instead accept it and try to find strategies around it or even using it to our advantage

[–]blikewater69 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

but they can blame us for what we are? sex fiends?

[–]disposable_pants 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Does an adult blame a kid for screaming "I hate you"? Of course not; you just roll your eyes because it's a kid. He doesn't mean that in any lasting way -- he's just having a tantrum.

Women bitching about men are just having a tantrum. So long as that tantrum doesn't become mainstream (and the near-universal pushback against the Ansari smear is a sign that we're pretty far from that), it's not a huge problem.

[–]Docbear64 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Two things first , we don't fucking listen to them because what value is there in that. Some of the women who loved me the most would repeatedly tell me how much they hate me and the ones who would say I love you said it more out of habit then true feeling .

Secondly is the " So What " factor Yes many men are sex fiends... and ? Online its easy to debate and screech about how wrong that shit is but I've yet to see a woman in person who had a real argument against that , especially if she's into you . The fact of the matter is she's interested in fucking or she's not . Any woman who's interested in fucking you is not going to bitch about the idea of fucking you . Yeah she'll throw you a shit test but that's more of a way for her to see if you're worth fucking .

anyway the point is fuck what they say because we know it almost never matches what they actually think.

[–]blikewater69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

some women like to fuck with men... just look at that chick that accused James Franco. Her twitter is riddled with batshit crazy tweets.

[–]KeithRSRedPill -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I choose to lay some blame on the women who support the MeToo movement's ability to ruin a man on unsubstantiated accusations. I choose to lay some of the blame on main stream media, who continues to publish this form of trash reporting. I choose to lay some blame on white knight manginas who blindly support feminism to their own detriment. Passively accepting this and saying that it's just the way women are isn't going to stop this BS.

[–]TheWrathofShane 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Newsflash for feminists and betalording white knights alike.

Some chicks like aggressive "pushy" men.

Who the fuck is anyone to judge those females, and those males which some females like???

Why did "Grace" literally suck the cum out of Aziz's balls twice within an hour if she is not one of those females? She could have slapped him, left, not go home with him in the first place, not get naked, not make out with him, not suck his cock.... She needs to do some serious ass soul searching instead of blaming the man for her behavior!!!!! (Let alone running to the fucking media crying wolf, like what the fuck is that?)

[–]Rian_Stone 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Why tho

why do anything you just wrote you did?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Women are starting to act really appalled when men are persistent in their advances.

Women want men they like to be persistent, and men they don't to give up right after paying for dinner.

Women communicate what they want ambiguously.

The upshot of this female sexual strategy is that she's being thoroughly dishonest. She is persuading both Chad and Billy Beta that she's high value ("no no no I'm not that kind of girl") before sex with Chad but extracting Billy's bucks.

The only way she can persist with this dualistic mating/resource strategy indefinitely is by putting all blame for its imperfect outcomes onto men, and so this is what she does. "Chad should know I'm high value!" / "Billy should take the hint" / "Men are so STUPID".

This responsibility shift is seen in the transition from "no means yes" to "no means no" to "yes means yes" and now we are at "yes means no .... when I say so ten years later" and "he made advances and I stuck around for the evening but he is an abuser" (eg Aziz Ansari).

But no amount of complaining about this bullshit is going to change anything. Expecting women on 2X to agree with us isn't going to happen. Obviously we're right about this stuff, but they don't care about right or wrong: they are pushing the female agenda of "we're always right regardless of the facts". Women do not have our checks and balances, our introspection, our honesty. She will never agree that she has some responsibility for clarity in sexual relations. She'll always prefer to think "Billy should psychically take the subcommunicated hint and Chad should know I don't really mean it", no matter how little objective sense this makes.

[–]TheWrathofShane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You hit the nail on the head. I would like to expand a bit and say this is where christian culture has serious advantages over secularism.

In Christian culture, love is something that comes from God. Its a seed you sow with patience, submissiveness, obedience, and enduring which produces abundant fruit from the father in the form of feelings.

In secular culture, love comes from yourself. Its about how you feel in the moment. How do I feel about my husband? I will express my feelings which vary from moment to moment and change with the wind.

We can see the results within the divorce rate. Would you rather have a wife from christian cultures, who is taught by God almighty in his holy bible, to be submissive to her husband, faithful, patient, forgiving, and loving? Who is taught to conform to natural biolgical gender roles? Who wants to seek a permanent father and provider for her future children? Who is taught that the Lord Allmighty who created the universe, literally hates divorce? Or would you rather have a wife rooted in secularism whose feelings change with the wind? With no legal obligation to stay married, I know which one I will pick.

Make no mistake, the human race is going to have to have children if we are going to continue to exist. Empirically, nuclear one provider families produce more successful, stronger children with stable home environments. The mother and father remaining in the home together creates a significant biological impact in raising offspring.

When you invest in children, you invest in your future. They are your legacy, will go out into the world, and will continue the line from generation to generation until the end of time.

In nursing homes, people with children do significantly better then those who never had kids. The ones with children are always full of life and love, and can look forward to visits from grandchildren. The ones without kids are the ones who statistically lose their minds, become depressed, and are very miserable overall. Who would you rather be when you become an elder?

Regardless of your religious beliefs, marrying from christian cultures is just the smart way to go about it. Feminism has infiltrated some christian circles, be wary of those women. The new testament clearly emphasizes gender roles and submissiveness in women.

If you need evidence to convert, Christianity is the only religion in the world which offers a supernatural confirmation from God himself. Myself, like many others, can testify to this.


Matthew 3

"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

John 3

Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.” Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.” “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”

Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

Acts 19

While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.” So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?” “John’s baptism,” they replied. Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied. There were about twelve men in all.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Why are you wasting your time in that shithole?

[–]antariusz 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I was banned 2+ years ago from 2XC

If you haven’t been yet, you clearly need to up your game, shitlord.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 11 points12 points  (4 children)

There are certain questions that force people to reexamine their old systems of belief and generate a new system that takes into account the new information. These questions are known as Red Pills.

What makes the Azis story interesting is that it's an absolute slam dunk against the Feminist narrative of Rape Culture. There is no way you can know the full story and not come away with the conclusion that some rape allegations are false.

Well the Three Chromosome community is founded on the premise that all rape is true and all women are right 100% of the time. Do you really think that a group of women who looks like this is gunna go out of their way to question their beliefs or have a nuanced perspective?

No. Because anything harder than binging high fructose and Netflix they won't do. However pushing the delete button that's well within their intellectual capacity.

[–]disposable_pants 0 points1 point  (2 children)

There is no way you can know the full story and not come away with the conclusion that some rape allegations are false.

This is why that situation is a positive development. Because up until now the mainstream was at least tacitly going along with the "all accusations are true" drumbeat from far-left feminists. They were doing this because all the high-profile accusations (e.g. Weinstein, Cosby) seem to be essentially correct, and the only accusations that seemed to be false were no-name college kids.

Now we have a false accusation against a guy who's widely known among the under-40 crowd and probably at least on the peripheral of a lot of older people, too. And it's not just an ambiguous situation where the woman's story is horrible and the man's side is more defensible; it's a situation where by the woman's own accounting no reasonable person can find anything wrong. It's the clearest case of bullshit yet, and also the one with the brightest spotlight on it.

[–]KeithRSRedPill 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Wish I had the positive outlook that you do with regards to the Ansari story being positive development since the Emma Sulkowicz, UVA Jackie Coakley, Duke Lacrosse and Patrick Kane false allegations didn't seem to have a lasting effect.

[–]disposable_pants 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are a few big differences:

  • All of those came before the rash of Hollywood sex scandals/MeToo. There wasn't an ongoing mainstream conversation about this stuff until very recently.
  • None of the men involved in those other stories were nearly as famous as Ansari. Kane is a professional athlete, yes, but hockey doesn't get much national spotlight. I'm positive ~90% of the country couldn't pick him out of a lineup, probably more.
  • All of those other situations involved at least some ambiguity. If you really wanted to squint hard and believe everything the woman said, you could think of it as a serious transgression.

With Ansari, there's already this public conversation about the topic, he's famous enough that this story pops up on a significant amount of radars, and even if you believe every word she says there's still nothing here. That last point is the most important -- the bottom line is that there's nothing of substance here and the guy's still getting smeared. That's going to (and already has) registered with a lot of mainstream (and even feminist-leaning) people as wrong.

[–]TheWrathofShane -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There is no way you can know the full story and not come away with the conclusion that some rape allegations are false.

It really does amaze me that some people completely missed the memo here, considering that in the book of freaking genesis, there is a false rape report (Joseph getting accused of assaulting his masters wife). This book is thousands of years old and has the orgins of humanity if you believe. You dont even have to be a believer to understand why this is significant!!!

Does SJW culture really despise christian culture so much to negate a key fact note of the Holy Bible?

[–]spencerc25 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The ironic thing about "persistence" in this Aziz Ansari situation is that the chick was on a date and persisted throughout the night to get Aziz' number. LMAO. She got rejected at first and kept persisting.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're not wrong, persistence often works and its downright mandatory for some things. Thing is though, that bitch is not the prize, she's not an achievement, and treating her as one will result in shit going wrong for you.

Most girls get one chance, if they play hard to get with me, they don't get any. Sure they can get dick easy, but will they get a fuck like I dish out? Maybe. They sure as fuck won't get this one if they aren't willing to go with it at least slightly enthusiastically. If I make contact and she blows me off or flakes, that's it. She gets no more chances and if she actually wants some, she then had to work for it and contact me.

There are two reasons for this.

One I'm sick of the false accusations I get for innocuous contact. Hi is not sexual harassment, it's a fucking greeting. I'm not going to be accused of stalking some bitch, or told I can't go somewhere because she is there.

Two I can get pussy easily, so if she isn't gung ho about getting naked, I'll find one who is. I'm not going to be the never ending wellspring of validation for her, pursuing like a hungry puppy. I've got better shit to do with my time than chase her around trying to get a sniff.

She gets one fucking chance, and I move the fuck on.

They want to come around with this meetoo shit, they can sit home alone with their cats. They want to give us all shit about approaching, then I'll sure as fuck be reserved and exceptionally selective with whom I approach. No skin off my pasty white gelatinous ass, she misses out on the fun that being around me entails.

Like they use men's tears for lube, I revel in the schadenfreude of them lamenting "where have all the good men gone?" And crying about being alone on February 14th and other holidays. Deal with it bitch, you and your sisters created this scenario, it's my natural reaction to it.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Think about how many stories you’ve heard about the persistent guy who lands the great girl.

I see the bloopers are out today. Persistently chasing the same girl is not the same as repeating an escalation. (Aziz did not escalate, he asked permission... repeatedly. It is a beta tell.) If you are returning to a girl who has already rejected you (not her approaching you) then you are displaying scarcity mentality, not persistence. This is why women are creeped out by it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Creeped" should mean "scared".

When you say women are "scared" by a sign of lack of strength, you're telling us they are morally upstanding, noble, creatures woven from innocence and high-mindedness. Right?

I mean: if it's a jungle, with just "thank you"'s and Facebook/Instagram likes added, call it for what it is. Then tell the OP that he hasn't grasped the jungle's workings well yet — I agree on that.

[–]SmokeWine 9 points10 points  (0 children)

2X is coocoo for cocopuffs, most of the women there are irrational man haters.

I’m a woman and a feminist and I fight for men just as I would for women. I was banned from their little man hating group because I questioned why a woman was about to ruin a mans life by calling the police and saying he “almost” raped her when she left her door unlocked and sent him flirty text messages about coming over and he actually did.

It’s like they want men (everyone for that matter) to be mind readers and just know on some sentient level that despite the woman saying fuck me she doesn’t really want you to fuck her.

Good riddance to that sub tbh, I always downvote them whenever I see posts. A lot of it is crazy dribble in that subreddit with people enforcing shitty ideals and reactions.

[–]FirstNamesMusic 5 points6 points  (2 children)

There has to be a fine line though, for instance if you ask a girl out via telephpone and she ghosts you (doesn't call back) then you probably should just move on and not text her the next day.

[–]KeithRSRedPill 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If she's willingly giving/receiving oral and doesn't leave when you go to get the condom after you ask her out on the phone and date her, Is that also a no?

[–]FirstNamesMusic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's completely different, I would agree with you there that the mere presence of her being there screams yes.

Well all know what a woman says and does are 2 completely different things.

I was merely pointing out that before attraction, asking out etc, persistence only lowers value.

[–]saibot83 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I got banned from some female sub for simply offering a reasonable point of view from a guys perspective. I wrote nothing extreme or hateful. Just provided a different point of view. These people don't want a debate.

[–]patrice_plz_come_bac 6 points7 points  (0 children)

2x is a waste of time, go for a run, learn to play drums, learn some barre chords

[–]shredgnarrr 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I'm a bit ignorant to what happened to Aziz, but at some point, persistence is seen as neediness, and you have to say 'next'

[–]KeithRSRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One no from the woman and immediate ghosting is needed. No BS romantic comedy scenarios in which multiple men endlessly pursue the woman of their dreams and are willing to fight for her. Amazing how romantic comedies with the same story outline is like crack cocaine to women.

[–]danielteleman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Op has it wrong. Women are only appalled at the persistence of beta - or creepy, as they called it - manlets. If an alpha does it, it's called "adventurous". :)

[–]alvlear 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Persistence with respect to sex with a particular woman is for betas. Alphas draw out an urgency for sex from women. Alphas do not need to blast through LMR. Read the rational male again!

If you have yet to experience a woman strip naked so fast as soon as the door is locked, keep lifting, hone your frame, and spin plates.

[–]KnackBrewster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This entry exactly why I subscribe to TRP. Great post.

[–]disposable_pants 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women are starting to act really appalled when men are persistent in their advances. Can you blame them? Persistence pays off.

On one hand, I recall one woman rolling her eyes at me about how this guy was always hitting on her (not particularly attractive, but tall and funny). A month or two later she was sleeping with him. It's impossible to deny that persistence works in at least some situations.

On the other hand, why the fuck would I want to spend two months pestering someone who's not interested enough to sleep with me earlier? In addition to having better things to do with my time (and her not being the end-all be-all of humanity, either), I don't want to even risk an accusation of harassment. It's just not worth it when there are plenty of other, more interested women out there.

I'll give an approach one shot, maybe two. But that's it. There's just nothing to be gained but some woman who isn't even that into you, and everything to be lost. It's a bad bet.

[–]h0ndaboy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No one is going to hire you just for the asking to a decent job, you’ve gotta prove that you’re worth hiring that is going to require significant achievements, which require some (you guessed it) persistence. If you build your own business, you’ve had to struggle to succeed through endless red tape, and getting rejected time after time for funding, if you didn’t fail, it’s not because you had a better idea or a better system, it’s because you were stubborn and stuck to your guns when everything looked really bleak. You won’t graduate college unless you’re persistent enough to come back semester after semester to put yourself through increasingly more challenging workloads and rise to the challenge doing it.

Only advice anyone needs when attaining goals

[–]TheWrathofShane 1 point2 points  (1 child)

2X is an echo chamber. I got banned for having the wrong ideology. The only explanation the mod was willing to give was "no thanks". I told the mod, your ban is literally permanent, and creating another account will result in an automatic ban. What if I convert to feminism in 6 months or something? Isnt a lifelong ban, especially for someone who is willing to go out of his way to reform any behavioral concerns, far to extreme?

She replied with "come back in 6 months." And as an attempt to ensure the last word, temporally muted me after I said you have the right to run your subreddit however you want, including an echochamber.

Honestly in their defense though, they do have some extreme trama victims frequently posting. I was connecting with a few of them when I got banned. Extreme trama sucks. I guess they are afraid that a non feminist ideology will be too much for some of those women.

[–]HandsomeCub 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same experience in niceguy sub where everyone circle jerks on awkward guys that are "creepy" or "misogynistic for focusing on a girls beauty". Some legitly are creepy, but most seemed not that bad. Found myself advocating sympathy for some these guys. Was banned for "having wrong ideology"... and then muted. I guess we need to start banning feminists for having wrong ideology?

[–]bigcitytruth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Re-read these five laws from the 48 Laws of Power--

Law 3: Conceal your intentions.

Law 4: Always say less than necessary.

Law 5: So much depends on reputation — guard it with your life.

Law 9: Win through your actions, never through argument.

Law 38: Think as you like but behave like others.

The Aziz thing is a red-hot topic and is very tempting to give an opinion. You'll be shot at from all directions. It's not worth it. You will change nobody's mind. We know the truth. You know the truth. It's a waste of valuable time and energy trying to convince the un-convincable.

[–]red_matrix[🍰] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We're at a weird point in history where everyone thinks their owed everything, it's what we're telling children 'you deserve everything', its why everything is low effort these days. And when you don't get what you want you just bitch and become depressed. It's feels like civilization is on the cusp of suicide: people no longer want to do hard things.

[–]Banana_Assault_ 5 points6 points  (2 children)

The accusation was a joke, but he's only getting defended because he's super liberal.

If he were conservative or even moderate he would have been chastised and ran out of the industry.

[–]ImmmOldGregg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This. He’s only being defended cause he pretends to wana “ smash the patriarchy “ when all he really wants is to smash a bitch like any guy.

[–]KeithRSRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And Ansari continues to support the MeToo movement that is trying to ruin him? Unbelievable that he doesn't question the movement's ability to ruin someone based on false allegations.

[–]GoGetting 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Welcome to reddit. Or more accurately "reddit if it perfectly fits my preconceived views, otherwise downvote-it or delete-it".

I'm pretty sure there's a subreddit here somewhere that will delete your post if it suggests the earth is round.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Women simply just have a hard time seeing things from outside their female perspective.

It’s like a kid getting mad at his parents for grounding him for getting an F in geometry then the kid blaming his failure on the teachers faults or perhaps a personal gripe the teacher has with the student, when the kid simply just didn’t want to put in the work to pass.

Likewise the woman simply didn’t want to put in good effort to be a girlfriend.. or perhaps wasn’t attracted enough to straighten her shit out for him.

However If the slapping was actually severe and abusive and not a light wake her up pat on the face he needs to straighten his shit out too before he turns black pilled and winds up behind bars.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol I got banned from both PPD and sex recently for completely inoffensive basic comments. But because they didn't validate women's choices I was excommunicated.

[–]MoiNameisMax 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Third-wavers need as many celebrity skulls for their skull throne as they can get. It looks like they're going to lose this one, and they're shrieking up a storm.

[–]rallfreedom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understand where you are going with this, but is this really redpill?

I've seen girls swoon over guys that have no persistence in them at all but have high SMV and are hb10. I don't lift and work on improving my SMV so I can hopefully be persistent in getting a girl. Unless you count my lifting and working on myself as persistence. If you are so stuck on one girl that you are persistently going after her, you're in danger of making her your oneitis. You approach, you pass shit tests, you get in, or you next her and move on. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[–]7hunderpants 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Problem here is when it comes to dating women have no idea what its like to be rejected as they NEVER put themselves forward...women expect to do the rejecting not to be rejected.

[–]phoenixtoast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really don't agree with this at all. In my experience a woman decides if she likes you almost instantly as a result of your SMV. There may be a few minutes where she's on the fence due to her being in a bitchy mood or whatnot, but it's a really short period of time. If she likes you she will facilitate conversation and future encounters. If she doesn't she will take no initiative. The number of times I've successfull "worn down" women.... probably 0.

[–]wickedogg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look at richer more successful societies where the birth rate starts declining. Men in those societies don't have to fight for anything anymore, so they stop trying, look at Japan.

[–]PabloAsscrowbar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perseverance is the term you are looking for.

Persistence is the wrong concept when it comes to relationships. It can be revolting to both men and women, who feel that they are not respected at all.

Don't forget stalkers and harassers justify their actions on persistence too.

[–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if you’re female do you really want to be shackled to a guy who just meekly accepts a no? What the hell is he going to do when he wants to be more than a Walmart cashier, just meekly accept it every tim

Nah, the guy who they really want to be shackled to is the guy who they say yes to on the first try. Duh.

[–]RampantTyr 0 points1 point  (1 child)

While I disagree with having your comment deleted just for having a dissenting opinion I still think your opinion on this matter is wrong.

If we accept the narrative offered up by the woman Aziz went on a date with, then he committed sexual assault by not responding to verbal and nonverbal cues. That is that.

Persistence can be a valuable trait, but there is a big difference between persistence and forcing yourself on someone else.

[–]TheWrathofShane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry, you are wrong. If you want to include nonverbal cues, which nonverbal cue is sucking the cum from someones balls twice within an hour sending?

Grace had so many options. Leave. Say I am not that type of girl. not get naked with him. Give him an ultimatum. Not go home with him. Not make out with him. Not suck his cock. Grace is not a child, she is a legal adult and we must treat her as such. Some women would have loved Aziz to be "pushy". Since these women do exist, and Grace was not one of them, why did she end up sucking his cock? This is not Aziz's fault, but Graces. Grace needs to reflect on her own behavior instead of blaming the man.

If its harder for some women to resist pressures from a young male, we need to encourage a women to learn from her mistakes and find inner strength to stand up for herself. When Grace wanted to go home Aziz paid for her Uber. She had nothing to be afraid of. Aziz was a good guy. He was not going to rape her if she changed her mind or wanted out. Its not Aziz fault that Grace has an irrational fear of men. That is something Grace has to figure out and overcome on her own.

Maybe society has failed young women in matters of standing up for yourself. Maybe it is societies fault for young girls being unable to say no to the pressures of a young man. Could feminism, "toxic masculinity", or fathers being systematically divorced from the home have anything to do with it?

[–]dec_cutter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree that the "Aziz" story is a non-story, and not assault.

However, I don't agree with your logic of persistence in the face of anything. You "persist" with the "maybe" girls ... not with the "hard no" girls. Now Aziz didn't get a "hard no." But still, your post can be GREATLY misconstrued.

Hell, walk into a gay club and apply your logic. Even if you say you're straight, there ARE gay guys who will "persist" repeatedly, trying to make stuff happen, grab your dick ... no matter how obviously fruitless (same thing if I kept trying to get with Jennifer Lawrence -- some people just don't want to fuck you and NEVER WILL).

It can turn very bad for you, if you "persist" in the face of all negative responses.

Persistence means keep going UNTIL you get a hard no or indication that "she don't wanna fuck you man."

See if she's comfortable or uncomfortable. If she's repulsed by you, yeah, you ain't getting that nookie ....

Touch her. See how she responds. Sometimes girls will do a "play no" or fake being coy. Why, who the fuck knows. Maybe some want to be 'taken' --- others don't want to seem like sluts so they say "I have to give him a few deadweight no's, but I hope he fucks me after that!" ... I've literally seen the bad acting in person. But again, a hard NO! is usually pretty clear.

Smiling, laughing, comfortable, allowing you to touch and progress on her body >>> usual fake no.

Pissed, uncomfortable, nervous (scared), doesn't like your touch >>> usually indicates a hard no. Do not "persist" or risk legal charges and reputation skull-fucking.

It's all about reading comfort, reading the girl, her responses. Oh and persistence isn't just in the bedroom, it applies to a lot of pickup/ seduction. But it's usually geared towards: assume she likes you, keep stale conversations going with strangers, go back to that lukewarm set and try again, turn the 'maybes' into yeses ... don't get too much into your head. If she can't make a date, suggest another one ... if she doesn't respond .... try another response. But the key is moderation. You persist 2-3 times until you realize she's not a "yellow" maybe girl ... she's a "hard red" never gonna fuck her girl, ABORT!

Don't be that beta pussy texting the same OBVIOUSLY DISINTERSTED GIRL about 500x because you think you are "working on her." That's orbiter clueless dolt bullshit. And don't be Mr. Rapey either. Be touchy-feely, sure, but gauge the response! Escalate carefully! 2 steps forward, 1 step back if necessary.

But anyway back to Aziz ... he didn't do much wrong.

The girl was OBVOIUSLY star-struck. Hell, talking with her coworkers around the water-cooler about the "big date" with Mr. Fame and Fortune.

One of two things happened:

  1. She was so star-struck, her brain fried. She didn't actually want to fuck him at all .... but wanted the Instagram Cool points and to be talk of the town, maybe parlay into an acting gig, you know typical Dumb Whore shit. Hence why she acted irrationally. Gong back to his apartment whilst not wanting to fuck. Blowing him, whilst not wanting to fuck. Sticking around and blowing him a second time, and not saying anything in protest, whilst not wanting to fuck him. Sending all the wrong signals ...

  2. Maybe she did want to fuck him, but thought this would be a "long romantic date" and that her and Aziz would date, maybe she'd get a boyfriend, get her hooks in him, etc.

When it turned out he just wanted to fuck the shit outta her immediately and never see her again (natch) ... after talking about the "Big Date" to her coworkers .... in the moment she became embarrassed/ felt slutty/ regret/ shame ... and then tried to heap that all on him.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Think about how many stories you’ve heard about the persistent guy who lands the great girl.

None? Not real life ones anyway. Every time I've seen a guy "finally get the girl" it's because she is starting to get old and used up and settles for him. She also has all the power in the relationship because both parties are aware it is only possible with her permission, which could change at any time.

[–]montrev 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they want chad to be persistent but they want guys like Aziz to read their non verbal responses that say no

[–]RedPillWintergreen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It wasn't that long ago such behavior was seen in a positive light. Check out this clip from Lethal Weapon 2 from 1989. In it we watch Mel Gibson aggressively pick up a woman:

  • Follow a woman from her job, confront her at a grocery store
  • Lie/mislead her about where he wants to take her
  • Grab ahold of her shopping basket handle, won't let it go until she agrees to leave with him
  • Doesn't take no for an answer. Tries various verbal approaches from funny to forceful
  • Resorts to making a scene before she finally relents
  • Crudely dumps out her shopping basket and literally drags her out by the arm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6_G0BCs-Fo

Can you imagine someone doing this today? If she decides afterwards it wasn't worth it, and she describes what happened to the wrong people, he'd be toast.

[–]Wanderwow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fantastic post, they hate human nature

[–]hessianboy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Men need to learn the art of power. Persistence, in this scenario, demonstrates a lack of power (self-control) because Aziz gave the woman control of the situation. A better way to overcome LTR would be to withdraw your attention.

Sure, you will lose some women this way, but if you really had an abundance mentality, you would be O.K with that.

This post is essentially rationalizing weakness. The world is not your friend, you need to recognize that and maximize your power in every scenario. Just like in battle, never overextend your lines because it makes you vulnerable. Aziz overextended and got flanked. Tough shit.

[–]blikewater69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women are from Venus and Men are From Mars. It's time we return to Mars. lol

[–]Trvspkt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol bro 2x... the only thing worse than arguing with nerdvirgin males is arguing with nerdvirgin females

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I got banned from that sub for agreeing with the general sentiment in that same post, fucking hilarious how the mods used authoritarian tactics when their useful idiots didn’t follow the feminist narrative

[–]trppisdying -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Dumb post made by an uggo, anyone whos even been desirable, man or woman, knows how disgusting it is to be insistently pursued by an ugly person you dont want.

[–]magikmausi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

OT but I've been really heartened by the flood of feminists coming out in support of Ansari, especially in high profile liberal outlets like Atlantic and NYT

I like those women. They're okay by me.

[–]DextroShade -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is bestof material, or rather it would be if Reddit wasn't so cucked.

[–]enkae7317 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I like this surge of insight. I've known personally many females who thought their BF at first was ugly. But the guy would be extremely persistent and eventually, they ended up dating and she LOVES him.

If he wasn't persistent he wouldn't have been able to win her over and show her how much of a cool guy he is.

This is true in my own experience also. I notice that being persistent gets me better results. Ofc I know when to back off but persistence is key.

[–]JohnIan101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pretty much like - 'the early bird gets the worm.'

Effort has, even though not always immediate - rewards, be it persistence or keeping frame.

[–]Useonceandthrowaway2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I have a question for the older audience. When do you know if it's time to stop persisting with something or that the ROI will be smaller than the investment? And isn't it counterintuitive to persist with women due to pull push?