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Three ways to consciously manipulate women before they subconsciously manipulate you. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by SLMC1

The universe created two types of men--alphas and betas--to serve the purposes of the species: Alphas to lead and impregnate and betas to follow and serve. Some science suggests that in ancient times only 1 out of every 16 men successfully reproduced. Although more betas than this reproduce in modern times due to social order and the institution of marriage, I nevertheless suspect that the 1-in-16 ratio is useful in illustrating a plausible proportion between the two male types today.

Assuming some degree of historical constancy with respect to the above dynamic I see two lessons to take from it: 1. If you're an alpha--sex with dozens of women is a likely predictor of this, if not a definition--you're probably in the slim minority (good job). And 2. If you're a beta, you may have your work cut out for you seeing as alphas are only the top 6 percent of men.

TRP can serve both groups by providing the information necessary for betas to mimic and perhaps eventually become alphas and for alphas to maximize and streamline their strengths to squeeze the most value out of the sexual marketplace.

As a rule it is the nature of women to use men for protection, resources, and, in the case of her interaction with alpha-males, reproduction. This is due in large part to their physical vulnerabilities. Manipulation is an imperfect word to use to describe this mechanism because it presupposes a degree of maliciousness or intentional deception but it's useful in that it reminds us of how tricky women instinctively are with respect to the value they advertise versus what they provide in an interaction pattern not deliberately calibrated by a more-manipulative, intelligent, and self-interested male. Arthur Schopenhauer described the innate modus operandi of women in these words:

With girls, Nature has had in view what is called in a dramatic sense a “striking effect,” for she endows them for a few years with a richness of beauty and a, fullness of charm at the expense of the rest of their lives; so that they may during these years ensnare the fantasy of a man to such a degree as to make him rush into taking the honorable care of them, in some kind of form, for a lifetime—a step which would not seem sufficiently justified if he only considered the matter.

Because women are more dependent on men for survival than visa versa, they have collectively developed a compensatory characteristic which allows them to extract value from beta males in ways that are not mutually beneficial. This is manifest in an automatic and brilliant instinct for interpersonal negotiation where she will constantly test the nature of the relationship in the hopes of extracting more value from a man while reducing the value she must provide to him. The classic example of this is the cheating housewife that—if we're all honest—don't blame once we see how beta the husband is (and because sexual strategy is amoral anyway). Women in this respect are instinctively significantly better at sexual strategy than men are. Therefore, we need our own compensatory characteristic: this subreddit.

Much chatter in the manosphere regarding the unpleasant nature of women is only accurate when describing the interaction patterns of women with men who haven't learned female nature and how to consciously manipulate it so as to tip the balance of power in his favor. To quote from a second and superior German philosopher:

The true man wants two things: danger and play. For that reason he wants woman, as the most dangerous plaything.

Dangerous playthings require skills to enjoy without getting cut or burned. Let's discuss a couple of them here.

1. Develop and/or mimic a sex-satisfied, not a sex-desiring, mental disposition.

Women don't consciously agree with this but their psychological firmware nevertheless insists on being attracted to men who are already getting laid. This is a very primal form of pre-selection as her mind conducts this subconscious logical syllogism: "I don't know whether this man is fit for reproduction but the fact that there are signs that he may be already getting laid (he's not desperate, he's barely trying, he's already happy and cheerful) would suggest that other women have already made the assessment that he is."

There are two differing and mutually compatible ways of cultivating this sex-satisfied state (abundance mentality). One is to actually induce it by having sex with women regularly, going as low on the SMV totem pole as is needed to get laid. The other is to mimic it by artificially altering your behavior and demeanor to match the patterns of someone who is getting laid. There is no shame in this: Just avoid like the plague any behavior that she could identify as needy, desperate, or sexually frustrated. This requires you to constantly watch yourself, which is exhausting, so I don't recommend adopting this 2nd technique exclusively.

Heartiste illustrated this point well when he said (paraphrased) "When you don't know what to say to a woman, imagine that you're already lying in bed with two of them."

There is a lot to be gained by haggling your way down in the sexual marketplace just so you can be getting laid regularly. I am open to the idea that other male personality types might prefer to not have sex at all than to have sex with a low-SMV female but I would argue that that preference is born of low testosterone or an over-reliance on masturbation and pornography. There appear to be two camps in TRP. One says "fuck women" and the other says "fuck women." I am of the latter.

2. Treat her as if she was born to serve you.

The most attractive combination of psychological traits in a man are narcissism and happiness. The latter has some overlap with our discussion about sex-satiety but the former is separate.

Narcissism for our purposes here is delusional self-confidence and reckless self-interest. It's the characteristic of a man who has massive double-standards regarding himself versus the women he dates, and he knows it, and he laughs when he's called out on it.

Developing a specific, strategically deployable form of narcissism with respect to the opposite sex is tricky and every man will integrate this property into their existing social personality differently, but one trick I've found useful is to use a sort of affirmation or article of faith to undo and rewire the beta programming that the mind uses when interacting with women. An anonymous comment in the manosphere once described it this way: "Act like you are the star of the #1 reality show of all time: cameras following you around and millions watching it because you are so damn interesting."

In short, brainwash yourself into believing that you're a god. Eventually you may learn that this lie is actually true.

Learned-narcissism mirrors pre-selection closely. In pre-selection a woman doesn't have enough information to know whether you are fit for reproduction so she uses the judgments of other women to make that evaluation. With narcissism and delusional self-confidence, a woman doesn't have enough information to know whether you are fit for reproduction so she uses the judgment that you have made about yourself to make that evaluation. I assume it goes without saying that a woman isn't consciously considering you as a reproductive mate when she's discovering whether she wants to fuck you. This is all subconscious psychological phenomena that she herself has no direct awareness of. All she consciously experiences is a desire to fuck you.

While betas exist to serve women, women exist to serve alphas. Sometimes this dynamic is subtle; othertimes women will explicitly enjoy being or feeling used up by their alpha male partners. Treat her a little bit like she exists to serve you to establish the desired alpha-to-female relationship pattern.

3. Ignore anything and everything she says that you would have preferred she didn't say.

The most efficient and benevolent method of extracting the desired value out of the interactions you have with females is to punish and reward her by giving and withdrawing your attention. Counter-intuitively, ignoring a woman when she acts or speaks in an undesired way is more effective in disincentivizing than is confronting her verbally or even using physical violence. This is because ignoring a woman communicates a greater readiness to withdraw from her permanently. This demonstrates value and instills insecurity in her; whereas verbal confrontation communicates to her that she is his only option and that he's more inclined to try to control her than he is to merely gravitate away from negativity and undesired behavior and in the direction of other females from whom he knows he can procure a preferable relationship.

If a girl you're interacting with asks an unwanted question or makes an unwanted statement, flatly ignore it. I'm not suggesting that you fold your arms like a frustrated kid and give her the silent treatment. I am suggesting that you literally act exactly as if she had not said it at all. This is frame-reaffirmation. It's the most effective and efficient way of dealing with her bullshit and is especially preferable to verbal confrontation if either of you are prone to the slippy slope of escalating negative emotions.

There is a recurring and compelling sentiment here that the sexual marketplace is a zero-sum game. I believe this is only the case when men fail to learn how to calibrate male-female interaction patterns to satisfy the self-interested nature of the male and the alpha-pleasing instincts of the female—instead of the self-interested nature of the female and the female-pleasing instincts of the male.


[–]IntrovertSigma 260 points261 points  (51 children)

From what I've seen and experienced hooking up for the sake of it affects people differently.

Some guys feel good about having sex no matter the quality of the girl. For others it can be detrimental.

I'm definitely in the latter camp. When I was younger I sometimes hooked up because I could rather than because I really wanted to. I don't know if it gave me the aura of a guy who gets laid more, but it made me feel bad about myself.

As someone else mentioned, these days I also have a busier life and there are many more things that I could be doing with my time.

I don't think that makes me a better person. I think it really just depends on the individual.

[–]THEDICKDEALER 182 points183 points  (44 children)

I get the same feeling. I've bedded over 20 women 35% of them have been ugly and low value. My stomach turns when I think of them.

[–]sweetmagwheels 86 points87 points  (0 children)

Everyone who has had several sexual partners regret some of them, even if none of them were ugly. But its not just about sexual interactions, its all actions in life.

Sometimes you have to accept that the choices you justified at that moment maybe wasnt that good, but you either learn from it and avoid the same mistakes in the future or learn to accept that not all choices we make are good ones. Its human to make mistakes, i myself have a habit of sleeping with crazy...

[–]1PantsonFire1234 27 points28 points  (3 children)

I'm split on this. When I was younger and my SMV was lower I fucked some low value chicks but i'm not digusted by it. Now that I get genuine hotties I cant ever go back though. Perhaps its just subconscious thing where your brain tries to keep you from punching bellow your weight. Should I fuck the same girls now I would be mortified I think.

[–]WalterEArmstrong 24 points25 points  (2 children)

I'm securely in the camp of men who're picky about what they're stick'n their dicks into. I know there are men out there with absolutely NO PRIDE whatsoever and will prong any obese, homely and stinky bitch that comes along. Shit, I'd go join a monastery first and I'm an atheist!

[–]1PantsonFire1234 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Well I don't think that's the argument here. There are girls who are just a Plain Jane 5 and no high smv man would want to fuck. But you could if you wanted to. I'm not talking about obese, curvy at best. Or a face that's not the prettiest but not hideous ether, like you can't point out the ugliness but she ain't good looking. When I was a teenager I started with 5's and looking back honestly I don't mind it. But I wouldn't do them nowadays. Even a couple years ago I was still fine with a 6's and now I didn't want to bang the same girl I did back then when I was offered.

So my guess is that it's naturally a SMV thing. You would fuck down but only by 2 points.

[–]imn0tg00d 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This man gets it. Lower your standards only as low as you have to, not further.

[–]yomo86 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I concur. Having intercourse with uglies is only good either to get the big V-question out of the way or to end a lasting dry spell. Otherwise you will resent yourself.

Sex is like food to a man.

To eat rotten food to stop yourself from starving is one thing, eating it for eating's sake or pleasure is ludicrous perversion.

[–]imn0tg00d 13 points14 points  (5 children)

Those are rookie numbers! Gotta pump those numbers up! Once you hit 100 you will only remember the good ones.

[–]-uftw- 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Personally I write them down so I don't forget, even the bad ones. I know that's stupid.

Anyway, for me I'll regret a hot bitch before I do a more plain chick that was a lot of fun. I've never fucked a true war-pig though (at least in my book) so I couldn't tell whether that'd bring me down or not.

There's something to say about fucking chicks that are close to your personal grail though. I've had a few of those and I still can't believe it sometimes, it's made me a much happier person in general.

[–]imn0tg00d 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I tried to put it down on paper when i was at 40 or so, but that was when i was a kid (around 23 years old). Today that would be an impossible task, I might be able to name all the ones for this year though.

[–]-uftw- 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yeah I started to log them when my n-count was around 10, so it was easy, been keeping track since then. Instagram and shit like that helps too, you get a visual reminder of the chick.

[–]sintrixxxx 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I couldn't even begin to count how many women I've slept with. I don't remember them frequently unless they were unusually kind and actually probably worth marrying, if I were the marrying type. I feel bad bailing and hurting the very very few good ones.. But then I realize when I do this, I lower their self esteem and give some ugly bastard a chance at hooking up with a beautiful and sincere woman he might otherwise have no chance with. Someone's gotta throw the betas a bone to fight over. Anyway fuck all the drama and on to the next mama.

[–]PhucCheet 1 points1 points [recovered]

If you've only bedded 20-ish women, you don't deserve the name THEDICKDEALER. More like TheDickThatIsOccasionallyNotIncel.

[–]THEDICKDEALER 8 points9 points  (4 children)

-_- I can't afford to put time into women at the moment. I transmute my sexual energy into pursing a masters,doing ju jitsu,working full time and launching a clothing line.

[–]PhucCheet 1 points1 points [recovered]

BluePill cope.

Real men take out their sexual energy on pussy

[–]THEDICKDEALER 18 points19 points  (2 children)

So it's blue pill to focus on my mission more than vagina? Wow

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's probably snot following a mission and is a crab in a bucket as it were

[–]simplisticallysimple 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I have slept with both attractive and unattractive women. I realized that doing the latter caused me to have low self-esteem. My bodily instincts would be screaming at me to stop, and after that I felt thoroughly traumatized and wanted to erase the memory from my head.

Don't fuck uglies or fatties.

[–]CQC3 11 points12 points  (2 children)

It does depend on the individual. I wouldn't want to fuck any girl I wasn't comfortable other people knew I fucked her. Simple as that.

It's not so much about the opinions of others as it is that it's not enjoyable to me and it will hurt my rep a bit. You don't want to be known as a guy that fucks fatties or uggos. If women see that you only bang attractive or at least decently cute girls, then it helps them along in getting with you if they feel it will prove them to be just as much if not more attractive than those women.

[–]Olga_Schmutzer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's not so much about the opinions of others as it is that it's not enjoyable to me and it will hurt my rep a bit. You don't want to be known as a guy that fucks fatties or uggos.

It's not about the opinion of others, but it hurts your rep and you don't want to be known as 'that guy'? TRP is about getting rid of your ego and not fooling yourself.

[–]CQC3 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You misunderstand.

It's not enjoyable to me, but it is also further detrimental to my public image which will in familiar circles slightly hurt my chances with more attractive women--thus, causing me undue suffering.

It's not that I want to do it but don't because of others, it is that I don't want to AND it's also working against me if we consider what others think.

Not caring what others think does not mean being oblivious to how their thoughts affect you.

Also, TRP is not about "getting rid of your ego". TRP is about sexual strategy, nothing more or less. You could even argue that becoming more narcissistic and egotistical might even help your game with women (not to be confused with being a "better" person). Even Buddhism and meditation are not about getting rid of your ego, merely noticing it.

You take the info and decide how you want to live your life, some guys just want to know the game so they can avoid the landmines and live according to their standards.

Others just wanna fuck at all costs, even if it means being deplorable.

[–]centiporde 0 points1 point  (0 children)

dafuq is this bullshit lmfao hahaha this is all like "how to deal with the stuck up fuckers out there which is 90% of america these days" what the fuck lmfao :D

[–]brinkleybuzz 119 points120 points  (1 child)

TL;DR

  1. Don't be thirsty.
  2. Be dominant and self confident.
  3. Maintain an unshakeable frame.

Spot on.

[–]EverythingIsFalse 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you cant handle someone saying something you don't like then you're pretty shakeable

[–][deleted] 121 points122 points  (5 children)

3 is important with virtually all females. These females say the most illogical things, complain/whine about everything, and make their problems into your problems....overanalyzing and thinking about what they said/meant can drive you crazy. Accepting you can be happy with her, or happy without her, gives you some self-comfort which makes ignoring all the bs easier.

[–]I_AM_CALAMITY 94 points95 points  (1 child)

What made your comment so special that it needed to take up my entire screen?

[–]Fulp_Piction 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Dark Triad bro, gotta get that Narcissism.

[–]weroafable 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Agree, overanalyzing kills your game.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The balance between analysing her words and your amused mastery is calibrated only by your level of intellectual interest in what she is saying.

[–]GuanabanaSamurai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn that shit is big as fuck LOLOLOL

[–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG 104 points105 points  (1 child)

One says "fuck women" and the other says "fuck women."

Ha!

Also, good post on a solid evo psych foundation.

And I appreciate your terse style.

[–][deleted] 311 points312 points  (15 children)

The best post here in weeks.

Kudos, bud.

Succinct and insightful.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (1 child)

3 is a huge breakthrough for me. I needed this post ages ago

[–]Luckyluke23 1 points1 points [recovered]

The best post here in weeks.

annnnd it's removed before I can even read it.

[–]EmperorofEarf 1 points1 points [recovered]

Yep, just a. Shitpost sounding board now with nothing but a title to go on.

[–]crush_snort_red_pill 1 points1 points [recovered]

What the fuck is with these mods

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Automod will remove things if they get enough reports.

TRP has a lot of enemies since it opens the eyes of betas too well.

[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS 22 points23 points  (6 children)

Almost certainly the automoderator. Remember Hanlon's Razor before attributing malice. If you see a good post disappear, messaging the moderators might fix it, but whining in the thread only makes you look bad.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Regarding Hanlon's Razor... fair enough.

I also got banned from married TRP for a few days for "moralizing" I've been unable to ascertain what was moralizing about my comment. I asked and never got a response from their mods.

I understand TRP but I do not understand the "community". It appears to me that the mods (universally) have some kind of objective but I cannot figure out what it is.

It doesn't really affect me. I couldn't give a fuck less, but it is sub-optimal for people who'd like to become members of this community and learn.

[–]DontDoH 1 points1 points [recovered]

What's wrong with being moral? Married red pill is a balance of being moral enjoying the decline and straight alphaness. If you went straight alpha in a marriage that shit won't work gotta bring in morals

[–]lopsidedlucky 5 points6 points  (0 children)

TRP is amoral. One of the basic rules

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The problem is that your morals are not my morals.

So bringing your own personal opinion into a discussion because you believe something is right or wrong based on your own value system adds nothing to the discussion.

Absolutely not saying morals are wrong, but saying something is wrong just because you believe it's a morality issue is wrong.

Big difference. If you can't see that then you deserved the ban hammer of doom.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 69 points70 points  (18 children)

One thing I learned from attracting personality disordered girls is that in order to understand how they manipulate you you have to be able to put yourself in their shoes. It's one big sperg filter. If you can't understand your enemy then you are doomed to lose.

OP outlines some great general rules to ensure you are always playing a winning hand but there are tons more. I found that the most manipulative girls look to find what you want from them and then use it against you. The moment they have you in control is when they lose interest, the chase is over. So it's always important to not reveal what you want and better yet, never want anything tangible. This could be anything, sex, validation, wanting for her to remain innocent, wanting to be respected.

Other small tricks follow the basic principle where they will test if you put up with no sex, no flirtation a.k.a. friend zone. They will contentiously bait you into talking more than they are to see if they got you invested a.k.a golden ratio. And these manipulations and tests are so subtle sometimes that you can't swathe them all away consciously.

Which is why I always try to keep true to the following points

  • Never care about the outcome, good or bad
  • Assume she's attracted and assume things will go your way
  • Maintain 2/3 golden ratio
  • Enjoy the interaction no matter her emotional state
  • Mercilessly fuck with her head

When I find equilibrium with these five points I find that things just magically work out with girls. They automatically respond the way I would like them to and I pass shit tests by default. When things go really well I find the rare moments where I indulge myself into actually caring for her or liking her. But apart from that this is the way to go.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (1 child)

pass shit tests by default

Yes. Your 5 points are good and if implemented well will often put an end to shit-tests permanently with a given girl. Then you have the desired alpha-to-submissive-female relationship.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I wonder if they ever go away permanently with the types I end up with. But exactly as you stated you want to reinforce the alpha-to-submissive relationship and only then did you achieve something with the girl. Before that it's all progress.

The first point is the most difficult to maintain for me and sometimes the second. I rarely if ever lose a girls attraction but I do have allot of fights so we aren't on common ground at all times. Generally the last three points are easy to maintain and every TRP guy could benefit from those.

Still i'm not sure if the alpha-to-submissive relationship is continuous or temporarily. Once you're in it it's easy, when you lost frame it's near impossible. But so many things can go wrong inbetween these two outcomes.

[–]weroafable 0 points1 point  (7 children)

What do you mean with 2/3 golden ratio?

[–]noradd1 20 points21 points  (0 children)

always give 2/3s back. She gives you three compliments? Give her two. She sends you a long paragraph over text, respond with something 2/3rds as long. This subtly establishes your dominance. You don't want to be giving in any way more than she is or even equal to her because woman are hypergamous and want to believe you are a higher status than them.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Be it messages, sentences, affection or general interest. Whatever a girl gives you, you make sure you give 66% of that. Most guys overtext or even show it in subtle ways. They might text the same but use more words. They might talk slightly more than the girl face to face. All of these things subconsciously tell her the guy is more invested and she can relax. And that's a bad thing.

[–]mugatucrazypills 5 points6 points  (1 child)

This is a lesson learned the hard and slow way for me.

Your instinct is to be "Mr Fix it" when she comes screaming with a problem. Your instinct is wrong. It will turn you into "Mr Tampon" faster than you can shake your stick.

What you want to be is "Mr. I can HANDLE it." WHATEVER the situation is, whether you WILL handle it for HER depends on what value she will bring to you and IF you feel like it.

To be True Alpha(tm) you must be the prize. The prize does not chase. You can barter for pussy lower down on the food chain with Mr. Scuba fish at the bottom of the tank, but realize what it is.

lots of girls are experts in having problems, two paticular red flags are women with financial problems and women with academic problems, these are never worth the time and are indicative of an inability to self manage which while whimsical and cute in the short term, are a nightmare in the long run. She doesn't need to be a rockeffeller or female einstein, but she need to be able to cope with life well. You should be the one watching for fitness indicators more than her.

ultimately the former 2 problems will very often tend to lead to women with long term health and weight problems as the lack of care and self managment extends to self

almost all men who've been sexual in their lives have a "ghost of pussy" pass, as Chris Rock jokes

[–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mr Fix it

Good point, men have the instinct to fix shit. But women are an enigma, they can't be fixed. Don't bother.

lots of girls are experts in having problems, two paticular red flags are women with financial problems and women with academic problems,

They will present you with their problems to trigger your superman complex. It's manipulation. Also it's hilarious when women try to talk about academic or financial problems. Since they get the most free hand outs and academia is completely tailored to female success. Go figure why that is.

almost all men who've been sexual in their lives have a "ghost of pussy" pass, as Chris Rock jokes

Never heard of that reference, care to elaborate?

[–]kokoke 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Man I'm just glad that in this instance not AWALT.

I've overtexted and talked more but I still got them to become FWB.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well it's not a general rule. If you do everything right but you just text allot a girl ain't gonna hold that against you. But it sure helps. I've done the 4-5 hour reply thing and it left chicks glued to their phone waiting. When some guy texts her every minute and I text her once ever 4 hours. My message will have a sense of rarity to her. She will desire it more and therefor me more.

Same thing with meet ups etc. I don't hang more than once a week. That which is scarce has value.

[–]UseForThrowAwayStuff 1 points1 points [recovered]

what do you mean by mercilessly fuck with her head?

[–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Just say stupid shit and make her wonder if you are serious or not

"What are you doing right now? /message

"Jerking off" /reply

"What really?!" /dance

Etc. Make he wonder if up is down with you and down is up. But don't be a clown and go to far. Just sometimes when she needs it, timing and frequency is up to your judgement. Ofcourse it shouldn't all be obscene shit like that.

Say you have a political discussion you can joke you support a fascist dictatorship. And perhaps you even somewhat mean it since you are a guy and you vote right. Pretty much, don't be so fucking serious. Enjoy a good quip. When she asks you what your goals in life are, be half truthfull and half made up, fe: say "My goal is world domination and a degree in architecture" etc.

Nothing is more boring to a woman than an autist who always answers questions truthfully and completly. Make a little show (for your own amusement).

[–]UseForThrowAwayStuff 1 points1 points [recovered]

ah okay makes sense. what's the benefit?

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All kinds. It humors her, entertains her, keeps her wondering about you. It confuses her so she can't play her manipulation game optimally while being draw into your frame. Which is your goal in the end.

I do it all the time and I openly admit to girls I like fucking with their heads. It's another sexual innuendo while also showing them I don't really care what they think of me. That I don't care about saying the right shit to them like most guys do. I just freestyle.

I could go on tbh but you get the point. It gives off IDGAF vibes and girls dig that. Who knows why.

[–]barredspiral 0 points1 point  (3 children)

How do you fuck with her head?

[–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Never become predictable. Never let her figure you out, who you are and what you want from her.

[–]barredspiral 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Awesome. Can you give me any examples of this?

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When talking to her, don't just agree and amplify all the time. Switch it up by being sarcastic, then flip the script during flirtation etc. Just like football you don't just stick to the run game. You get the ground game going, then you open up to play action, you air the ball, pop misdirection etc. The key to a good offense. Like in any sport, competition or war you can't be one dimensional or your opponent will figure you out and beat you. Dating women is also a sport and the game is her beating you into betaness so she can extract what she wants from you (validation, time, money, options). And you win when you get to fuck her.

A girl that's interested will always throw you lay ups in the hopes you entertain her with a response that tickles her brain and in turn her pussy. That's why most AFC's are so boring and unsuccesfull with girls, the autism is strong in them. The girl is sort of interested, throws them a line with tons of potential for flirting, teasing, fucking around etc. And they give the most boring straight up answer imaginable like they were having a job interview with her. They don't enjoy the conversation or try to, like the girl is, they don't understand that talking to girls is 99% foreplay if you do it right. Instead they are thinking about how pretty she is, how they want to fuck her or how their lives would change should this amazing girl validate them. They miss the point entirely and it's a damn shame because women will continuously try putting themselves out there. But the guy has to take the initiative. So keep the conversation fun for both of you and you will be okay.

Make sure you have multiple objectives. If you're a guy that wants a relationship a manipulative savy girl will sniff this out and play your hand. She will hold your desire for emotional commitment against you. Same with sex, say you keep talking to a chick that you wan't to fuck. She will give you just enough hope that you might stick it to her while you give her all the attention. This is why we advice to withhold attention/affection until the girl gives you what you want and shows good behavior. But even that's not enough in this crazy clown world of ours. By constantly switching up what you want for her she will never figure you out. One time it's sex, the next time it's companionship and another time she's the comic relief of the night. Fuck with her head by confusing her. A confused girl is a submissive girl because you are dominating her emotions. So many guys think they just need to be physically dominant to be alpha, that's not true. They need to be dominant in every aspect of a girls live.

Finally it pays to always have some new goals, ideas, interests or tricks up your sleeve. You can't be the dude that just sticks to his routine. Surprise her and let her wonder who you are over and over. It's allot of work I know. And often times the reward is shit but hey, what else is there.

[–]Mescuzzi 112 points113 points  (2 children)

I don't understand why there is so many downvotes on this post. This post is a home-run. There must be too many "nice guys" around here down-voting because of the "manipulation" topic. To those of you who disagree with manipulation, just remember this: "The Game will be played whether you choose to participate or not"

If you've come here, there is an EXTREMELY high probability that you did so because at some point in your life you were (or still are) being manipulated. Don't play the fool.

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Those who disagree with manipulation are the same type of guy who would say "I'd never cheat on my gf in a million years!" Bro, that doesn't mean shit because no other girls want to fuck you. You literally don't even have the option to cheat.

It's the guys on their moral high ground who don't understand that everyone is manipulating everyone else in EVERY SINGLE SOCIAL INTERACTION EVER.

Those who don't realize that, are the ones getting manipulated daily.

[–]AGameofTrolls 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yup, just now I'm being manipulated in a very shameful way. I've read a lot of advice on this awesome sub reddit, but it's so hard for me to put into practice. I've decided to cut my loses and ties with this girl and hopefully I'll be able to learn from my own fuck ups and avoid getting friend zoned yet again. Will I ever escape this beta mentality that has me trapped in this horrible cycle of rejection? Will keep you posted....

[–]ironjohnred 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Well said. You are the prize. So act like it!

[–]xenigala 36 points37 points  (8 children)

Ignoring behaviors that you don't like and responding warmly to behaviors you want to encourage is a powerful tech for shaping others. Much better than outwardly criticizing and controlling them.

But if you "flatly ignore" uncomfortable direct questions from a someone, all the while thinking to yourself "yeah, I'm a narcissist!" and fantasizing about being the star of a reality tv-show, yeah, that is not going to go well.

[–]un-supervised-savage 5 points6 points  (7 children)

You're missing the point of that analogy.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (6 children)

The thing about advanced rp advice or explaining behaviour, is it almost takes a well learned or practiced alpha to fully understand the advice from other experienced alphas. In my mind, ignoring a girl mid conversation is done with subtle eye roll as I lean back in my chair and scan around the room for something more amusing to get in to. Or, a subtle single eyebrow raise of disapproval followed by the same room scan stopping only when I lock on to the hot blondes ass and stare for long enough to make it obvious - Not actually pretending you didn't hear. She'd be wondering if you're retarded.

[–]un-supervised-savage 9 points10 points  (5 children)

That's why you need to read the side bar, all of it, then keep looking for more. The info in the side bar gives you the basics and teaches you how to learn by knowing good and bad sources of info.

New people want a quick fix. There is no quick fix. The fix is stop being lazy and put real effort into learning everything you can. There's no instant gratification here.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

"Do what others won't do today, so that you can do what others can't do, tomorrow."

When I first started reading trp, the thought of trying to mimic behaviours seemed pathetic to me - this is where I deviate from most of trp - for myself, if the behaviour or action isn't genuine, I don't do it. I believe one must work to build themselves, then confidence and frame/game will naturally evolve.

[–]un-supervised-savage 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm no spring chicken so I have a ton of experience. I've "spun plates" and been married, had a kid, been naturally alpha and beta in the same relationship, and learned about Narcissistic personality Disorder from a relationship. Luckily I have a personal experience where I was very Alpha with a woman and although I felt guilty about being that way with her I realize now that I shouldn't have felt guilty. She loved it. Once I succumbed to my normal beta tendencies She walked all over me and left. It was a good life lesson. Reading the red pill is just putting into words what I've seen before. It's not so hard to swallow the redpill with the proof that I've seen already. No mimicking behaviors, just being what I once was and knowing what is going on and why she's reacting the way she is.

[–]behindtheline40 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I was always a light TRP reader, usually looking for a quick fix/minor tweak. I slipped in my relationship and was swiftly destroyed. I realized I needed to fully understand. There was an intense fire in me because of the tramatic experience to learn. I feel most guys here need that trauma to fully swallow and read everything. they must WANT to read everything with every spare minute they can afford.

[–]un-supervised-savage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You either have to be hurt badly or have personal experience that proves this shit works when applied in real life. You have to be able to realize that being a "dick" isn't bad if it's what she loves. Give them what they actually want, not what they say they want. Women will fight to the death to Deny their truth to look better but deep down they know the what they really want. At least the honest ones will tell you they want "bad" boys. But they always say they want to try to change him. Lol once they've changed them the reformed bad boy is no longer exciting to her and they next the ex-bad boy. Hold frame, don't get reformed(re-blue pulled) and enjoy the benefits. You're only a "dick" or "bad boy" in they eyes of modern feminists and blue pillers. To her you are exactly what she wants and needs.

[–]bartram87 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This. Yes, we don't change unless the motivation to avoid that pain again outweighs other motivation.

[–]Incitatus002 122 points123 points  (25 children)

"There is a lot to be gained by haggling your way down in the sexual marketplace just so you can be getting laid regularly"

Don't agree with this one. Firstly, what's the point of bad quality sex, and, let's face it, the quality of sex for a man is almost entirely dependent on the visual stimulation he receives? Banging a low SMV land whale for the sake of having sex may not be pleasant (and in extreme cases may even result in ED problems - not getting it up because she doesn't turn you on.)

Secondly, my time is too precious to partake in low SMV sex. I seriously have better things to do than to have to go through the motions of harpooning a land whale, and having to fend her off afterwards or look for an excuse to leave immediately after the deed. The whole idea of Game and TRP, as I understand it, is to get to bang hotter chicks than terrestrial cetaceans.

[–]samvdvda 76 points77 points  (13 children)

I don't agree with your statement that women's sexual value is only perceived by visual stimulation. Once I had this chick, not that good looking but she went for the blowjob. Not a lot of men I think would decline a bj.

She sucked my dick so good it almost felt that the blanket was being sucked in my ass. Afterwards shit happened and I didn't wanted to fuck her anymore. But nonetheless the first time a bj made me cum. I liked the low SMV woman who did that.

[–]selfsufficientnigga 1 points1 points [recovered]

Fatties give best bjs.

It is known.

[–]samvdvda 10 points11 points  (6 children)

Haha I was tempted to type that but she wasn't a fattie :p she was bisexual and used to licking clits.

[–]selfsufficientnigga 1 points1 points [recovered]

It's just a phrase that embodies the essence of the sexual market value - fatties are lower value due to their looks, so they have to make up for it somehow.

[–]TheEagleAndTheSnake 18 points19 points  (1 child)

"Fat girls give head like it's snack time"

[–]IntrovertSigma 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It really varies person to person. To me it absolutely matters what the girl looks like.

When I was younger I had some hookups because I could rather than because I really wanted to and I didn't feel good about it.

[–]UseForThrowAwayStuff 1 points1 points [recovered]

i can never get off from a blowjob. good to hear its not just me. any tips or tricks? i usually just fuck then raw and when im close finish with a blowjob

[–]samvdvda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bj skills aren't in your control man. If you have a chick that wants to get better at sucking you, just tell her what feels good and what doesn't. I do this by moaning and grabbing shit when she's doing a good job. Current GF enjoys the validation and gives me even more bj's. Hasn't made me cum yet but she's getting there. I seriously can't wait for her to cover her own face in my sperm. :D

but in all things, patience and perseverance, chicks are generally bad at sex, give them time to grow and teach them.

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Nothing wrong with getting a little batting practice in ever now and then before you step up to the plate and try and hit home runs

[–]1PantsonFire1234 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Best practice for my text game I found is simple sex chats and not actually Tinder. When it comes to face to face interactions the best thing you can do is socially as a place where allot of girls are frequently building up an image. Cold approaching is kind of unnatural in that way. You're basically approaching a girl from another tribe. Which requires vastly different skills than getting it on with a girl from your 'tribe'. Be it from school, your local gym, friends or pub.

[–]1ozaku7 10 points11 points  (0 children)

As long as her looks are satisfying, all I care about is a beast in bed. Not a dead whale laying on the beach, ready to get nailed/rescued.

Some women just think it's enough to spread their legs and give a few moans, but it gets old and boring real quick. Id prefer a less visual good looking one but loves to ride that dick like her vagina is starving for miles of sausage.

Which is why I go for nuru massages. There's non of the sex but no woman has made me feel so good without having to stick my dick inside of her. For me, that's the new girlfriend material, not the virgin next door that doesn't know shit.

[–]IntrovertSigma 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It really depends on the person. I'm like you in this respect but I know plenty of guys who don't care. To them all sex is good and they'll rarely turn it down.

[–]Enigma221 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You're right. Doesn't that mess up the biological implications that we want to procreate and pass our genes with the best possible mates? If we are fucking landwhales just to create a high smv (which isn't even 100% guaranteed), and not actual hot women during that time so that we can pass our genes superiorly so that we can go up the alpha ladder every generation.

[–]kokoke 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not gonna lie man the first time I experienced awesome sex was with a low smv woman.

She could move her hips so damn well, nice ass and amazing BlowJob(She introduced me to the little hack of having them suck on an ice cube to make the tongue chilled to make the Blow Job even more amazing).

Anyway, she really opened my eyes to how amazing sex could actually be and it wasn't just about cumming in the end.

[–]phantom6700 5 points6 points  (1 child)

So you're saying that girls are either 10/10, or landwhales, there's nothing in between. On top of that you're also saying if you can't have great sex then you'd rather have no sex? Bit disingenuous no?

[–]rjvideography -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If this doesn't make sense to you it's because it's not based on anything other than delusion.

Really, if you want to get laid, you should pretend to be a feminist. It's gotten me fooled many a times.

[–]k457 7 points8 points  (12 children)

As a woman, this breaks my fucking heart. Honestly, why can't we treat each other like human beings. Posts like this break my fucking heart.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I understand why you might react that way to the title--try not to take it at face value. The post itself essentially prescribes these behaviors:

  • Don't be desperate or needy
  • Believe you are great and expect to be treated that way
  • Use distance to negotiate in your relationship rather than verbal or physical aggression

[–]Starter91 5 points6 points  (0 children)

People are ANIMALS and you just have to play by rules, and these are one of the rules. What society has made up through they artificial laws pulls no weight in nature.

[–]AkiRa84 4 points5 points  (6 children)

Women seem to mistake manners, kindness and chivalry as a lack of confidence in a man, so men are learning the "game" in order to appear more confident.

[–]k457 2 points3 points  (5 children)

You can be confident and kind at the same time! Maybe teen girls like the whole "bad boy" asshole thing, but I've never met a girl my age (20) or older who actually likes being treated like shit. If you are a gentleman and you're comfortable with who you are then you're GOLDEN! (Just don't mistake being kind with being needy/clingy when the girl/guy isn't interested. That's when it backfires)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

This post breaks my heart too k457 but less so than the myriad rejections i received in my teens. Which to be fair is part of your point and I agree with it. But those formative years can really shape our opinons of the opposite sex. Women complain about being used by the bad boys you ignore us for. Feminism has somewhat ironically had the biggest effect on men not women. Alphas get treated like bygone emperors and betas live lives of quiet desperation.

[–]k457 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Feminism has nothing to do with who girls date in middle school.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Feminism preaches equalism. Equalism states that men and women are the same. Young boys then come to the logical conclusion that girls will be attracted to the same sorts of things he and other boys find attractive (niceness, honesty, sacrifice, emotional investment) and be repulsed by things boys are repulsed by (arrogance, aloofness, boisterousness). We all know how the story ends.

Incidentally why do you think nice-guy syndrome is an almost exclusively Western phenomenon?

[–]AkiRa84 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Feminism causes parents to raise their children in a certain way. When parents turn their boys into girls, by teaching them to be meek and kind, they get rejection in high school.

[–]AkiRa84 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Everything you said is blue pill thinking. That gets you friendzoned in a blink. Feminism teaching boys to act like that is the main reason for the divorce rates, suicide rates, birth rates, unhappiness...

[–]BestSC86 61 points62 points  (10 children)

While some of your points are helpful....one walk down the aisle at the local Tesco or Walmart shows that modern world reproduction is NOT governed by alphas corraling all the women in a community for fucking.

Hordes of whales and fat ass betas toting around 2,3, and 4 kids which they can hardly clothe and feed but kids oe the less and these people are outproducing the successful, the intelligent and the leaders of society by a 10 to 1 rate.

Now it does not mean that getting the attractive and hottest chicks in your community to fuck doesn't require being a cut above these rest of the smucks but let us stop the nonsense that only alphas are reproducing with women.

This society is no longer made up of hunter-gather tribes roaming around the Serengeti following the one true leader and all the wome only giving up their pussy solely to the leader of the pack.

[–]Hviterev 19 points20 points  (4 children)

Comparing yourself to the bottom of the barrel never was a recipe for excellence.

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Comparing yourself period rarely ends well. Your value is only comparitive if you see it that way or allow others to.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Your value is comparative regardless of how you see things. Comparing yourself to others, both those better than you and those worse off, keeps you simultaneously inspired to become better but also grateful and prideful about the accomplishments and/or position in life you have already.

Your value is defined by others, not yourself. Value, by definition, speaks to the objective level of benefit you provide others versus your competitors.

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Value is, indeed, comparitive. But it's in comparison to others where unhappiness starts and joy dies. The only benchmark that matters - that should matter - is "Am I better than I was yesterday". Anything else is a game of losing odds because no matter how good you are at something there are always others out that that are better. That's just the way life works.

And my value is determined by no one but me. Anything beyond that is perception of value. And someone elses perception of my value only has weight if I want something from them - or I allow it to by affecting me.

[–]jackandjill22 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Average is over in America.

[–]Darth_Antonius 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Hordes of whales and fat ass betas toting around 2,3, and 4 kids which they can hardly clothe and feed but kids oe the less and these people are outproducing the successful, the intelligent and the leaders of society by a 10 to 1 rate.

That's what happens when you have a welfare state. It incentivizes the unfit to reproduce as much as possible. These landwhales and welfare queens are simply having these kids to suck more money from the government. Also, don't immediately assume that these landwhales are fucking and reproducing with betas because they find the betas attractive (they actually find them disgusting and repulsive). They go for the betas because they're to fat, ugly, bitchy, etc... to attract an alpha. Those betas will get destroyed in divorce court when the landwhales are done with them.

[–]BestSC86 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This was sort of my point.....

Attracting HOT women is another task and something completely different than just spewing out some kids. I understand the Op was trying to convey that the old evolutionary alpha mating is what drives the hunt for hot chicks but coaching it in terms of producing children is only going to confuse most people reading this supposed female quest for only alpha dick when all you to do is step outside your door to see that society now for a lot of people is getting the least repulsive dick that they can find with the least amount of effort or work on their part.

The Op actually made it sound like readers were fucked if they weren't part of and were not going to be able to reproduce unless they were part of the Top 6% when that is obviously not true.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

My post wont makes sense if you don't discern the difference between 1. evolutionary psychology and cultural commentary, and 2. reproducing and fucking.

[–]shakespeareSMG 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Bravo!

This parallels Amused Mastery.

[–]SaggyT 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Great post!

One way my uncle taught me how to manipulate women is to start by the little things, eg if you dont like her make up say "I don't like women who put a lot of make up" and just leave it hanging. If she's into you she will take notice and work towards your standard of what a woman should be. This is a start to controlling her without giving her direct orders.

Then you move to the bigger matters

[–]North_2345 4 points5 points  (3 children)

All too true took me years to get the manipulation factor down. Now that I'm completely ingrained in a red pill lIfestyle. Living on the fringes of society is fun and exciting. Pussy comes and goes and once you see it behaving on its most primal levels its easy to manipulate but it's important to understand females are doing the same. The game of love is actually a game of manipulation,deceit and sex/resources .. once you are as far down the rabbit hole as myself or others the game is just a mere distraction . It's quite disgusting our nature actually. it is what it is. we're just glorified apes running around trying to mate. Bunch of fuckin monkeys

[–]TrueFacets 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Bunch of fuckin monkeys

Haha thanks, made my day :D

One question was popping up in my head again and again. - Jesus (and other religions) forced a 1 women, 1 man setup through marriage with the women being "controlled" a to certain degree. This system survived 2000 years at least. Now with religion and marriage gone, do you think it would be advisable to "control" women again, you know... to make everything a bit better again ? So that society doesn't completely disintegrates and deteriorates into hedonistic garbage...

[–]opithrow83 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It would be nice, but birth control has ruined this. There's no putting the genie back in the bottle. The only hope is that men and women can be red pilled, but good luck convincing little girls to understand how their whore ways are destroying civilization.

[–]North_2345 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I do . Women are sexuality meaning they control sexuality. In the past with religion and society norms women were much more grounded. Men had more control however now that women have so much choice with dating apps, so called sexual liberation and just sheer choice in general, the power has shifted from men to women. men no longer have control. Women are far more promiscuous than ever before. This causes us men to resent them for not only how they behave but also what they expect from men etc etc. What happened? Feminism over the years some say. Women need men for logic and critical thinking and society needs family dynamic to succeed. It's really not men's fault this is happening but rather the choice of women and technology. Shaming is a good tactic. I use shaming all the time in a subtle manner to subconsciously get into females brains. They know not what they do. Most women are the worst glorified apes of all. Very primal beings. There sexuality is a farce. Why do men get called players and women sluts? that's easy it's cause men have to work for it & women just have to open there monkey ass legs lol

[–]menial_optimist 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The whole post dealt too much in black & white absolutes for my taste. It's nice to try and simplify concepts but some things are just not that simple.

[–]donkey_democrat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Like you said, it tries to simplify stuff. The other situational posts are where the specifics can be analyzed.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I just want to say i really appreciate the work you mods are doing making sure we are shown the higher quality content via the announcememt feature.

Great job guys. Your efforts are not unseen.

[–]ajbrooks192 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Surely if you ignore a statement or questions they are just going to follow up and ask again/ask why you are ignoring them?

[–]young_x 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Keep ignoring and the hamster takes over.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Not if your reaction signals disapproval followed by a lack of interest in her.

[–]ajbrooks192 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Okay then say I ignore a statement, she asks why, I look up at her with a reaction of disapproval, and she then asks why again, and I start to act less interested, I just see that turning into a huge deal of why was what I said such a big deal and why won't you answer it?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See my reply above.

"What if she insists?"

Use all the other tactics you should already know.

[–]tailingloop 9 points10 points  (7 children)

Sry guys this thread stillborn. Maybe you're right and maybe I just don't know what its like to be a beta male but seriously, are you gonna go around mimicking someone you think is getting laid in order to manipulate the subconscious mind of the female? Give me a break. If you're not having sex its probably because you don't deserve it. Go do something fulfilling, chase a real dream, not some sex fantasy. Do something good for your family why don't you. That's something real. That's the bigger picture feared by redpillers and cultural Marxists alike

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Game, the Manosphere, the learning of evolutionary psychology (whatever) starts with women but ends with yourself, much as you describe

I'm not sure you were aware of this? You alphas have never been the brightest 😉

[–]tailingloop 1 point2 points  (4 children)

;) ;) Right you are. If the original post had stressed the importance of evolutionary psychology in the game of love I would have been less discontent. Its influence is profound. I do however believe in the power of the so called "LTR". I think it is " the way" if you want a strong and emotionally stable offspring capable of doing great things in this world. If you want and LTR to work you can't lie, not to your woman or to yourself.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I think a lot of us who came late to the table in terms of self-confidence are more suited to LTRs. We just sort of wish we had this confidence when nightclubs and party holidays were a part of our social life.

[–]tailingloop 0 points1 point  (2 children)

How do you mean? I don't know about you, but in my hometown most of the early blooming popular guys got stuck with the popular but not very intelligent girls, with kids and all. Many if them live quite depressing lives.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's very true most of the popular boys are now scrawny criminals in and out of jail and the girls now bearing their kids. Not in every case but that's a lot more positive outlook!

[–]tailingloop 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the people suitable for LTRs are the people who want to make an impact on the world. It demands work but the rewards will be reaped by your children.

[–]True_Will_Virtue 1 points1 points [recovered]

Just want to add on to this, don't ever interact with girls that just want beta orbiters and don't ever want to fuck anybody. I made that mistake, her game was to just get as many people giving value to her as possible, she didn't even like sex. None of the tips in the post will help you if you try to get a girl like that.

[–]WhorehouseVet 33 points34 points  (6 children)

Men want to fuck as many women as possible.

Women want to receive validation from as many men as possible.

Sex to men is equivalent to validation to women.

[–]True_Will_Virtue 1 points1 points [recovered]

I've met some girls that crave the cock and couldn't care less about validation, maybe the majority of girls like to just have validation because it's less risky.

[–]un-supervised-savage 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Being a validation whore isn't frowned upon in today's society. Being a slut is frowned upon. Women are forced to repress their sexual desires for fear of being labeled a slut. Validation is safer, that's why women seek the shit out of it. But if society didn't label women sluts for sleeping with as many men as she could then women, like your friend, would be having as much sex as they could. Validation whores are a huge red flag and not just because they're making themselves crazy by repressing there sexual desires.

[–]True_Will_Virtue 1 points1 points [recovered]

Women want to receive validation from as many men as possible.

^ from that other guy

Validation whores are a huge red flag

looks like all of women is huge red flag. is that right?

[–]un-supervised-savage 2 points3 points  (2 children)

No they want to receive it from as many as possible, including you. You are validating her wether you see it or not.

Not all women are validation whores. The women who are free and open about their sexuality who don't give a fuck about what society has to say about their sex life, don't desire that validation. Why do they not need it? Because they are satisfied sexually. They don't feel the need to compensate for a lack of sex with attention and likes on social media and in person. Women like this are much more rational and don't seem as crazy to men.

Ever wonder why women have so many shoes and clothes? It's to compensate...Women who are withholding sex in a committed monogamous relationship are really hurting themselves in the process of trying to manipulate their man with punishments like withholding sex.

You should read more about female psychology.

[–]True_Will_Virtue 1 points1 points [recovered]

You contradicted yourself, I'm not going to even bother to point it out because I'm bored of this.

[–]un-supervised-savage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't contradict myself. I never said all women are validation whores. You did.

[–]THEDICKDEALER 64 points65 points  (19 children)

"she didn't even like sex" WRONG .she didn't like it with you.

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A small percentage of the population (male as well as female) is legitimately asexual. Just genuinely no interest or drive. Be aware of it and move on if sex is important to you.

[–]True_Will_Virtue 1 points1 points [recovered]

She's 18 and attractive and still a virgin. It isn't a religion thing either because she isn't religious, also I've known her for a long time. I know her enough to know she doesn't like sex.

[–]singeblanc 22 points23 points  (2 children)

She's ... still a virgin
She doesn't like sex

I'm the same: I hate eating lobster, although I've never tried it.

[–]True_Will_Virtue 1 points1 points [recovered]

You can know if you like something before you try it. I've never tried sex with a man but I know I wouldn't like it.

[–]nattyX 11 points12 points  (11 children)

She's 18 and attractive and still a virgin.

And then when she's not a virgin, she'll love sex. You do understand this right? Put her in a room with a man that gives her tingles and she's not a virgin anymore.

[–]True_Will_Virtue 1 points1 points [recovered]

Put her in a room with a man that gives her tingles

She doesn't allow herself to get into a situation like that, that's the thing.

[–]nattyX 17 points18 points  (9 children)

She doesn't allow herself to get into a situation like that

Until she does. Then she's not a virgin anymore. Don't be naive.

[–]True_Will_Virtue 1 points1 points [recovered]

I'm not doubting you on that, I'm just sayin she isn't open to sexual experiences which made me think she doesn't like sex that much or at least the idea of sex.

[–]nattyX 9 points10 points  (7 children)

And I didn't like sushi until I started eating sushi. The reason why you think this about this girl is because she isn't open to sexual experiences with you.

Virgin teens-early 20s women are some of the horniest around. Trust.

[–]True_Will_Virtue 1 points1 points [recovered]

She was the most open sexually with me than with anyone else as in sexually flirtatious talk, but I couldn't close and in the end I lost frame. I don't doubt that she will fuck someone in the future but damn that guy has got his work cut out for him.

[–]nattyX 3 points4 points  (4 children)

damn that guy has got his work cut out for him.

Not necessarily. Once she meets a guy who gives her tingles she will throw herself at him.

[–]Anchor_Arm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

any tips on these girls? I'm seeing this girl who's 21 and a virgin but I'm thrown for a loop because of it.

[–]Sanctusary 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Its honestly just better to move on if you're not getting what you want from a girl. There are billions of women, don't get trapped by the mindset that "shes the one" because if shes not already putting out, she never will.

[–]ravenhiss 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great post but it was like you're reading my mind so of course I'm going to think that.

All except for externalising the narcissism. It doesn't have to be external to be effective but by all means internalise that shit and own it. It's the key to inner game.

Walking around in your own delusion, realising everyone else is in their own delusion, changes your body language subconsciously and that's what women are attracted to. It's what TRP is all about, swallow the pill and release yourself from others expectations because we're all deluded anyway. Life has no meaning except for the meaning you choose to give it. Might as well make your delusions and meaning enjoyable.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Props on the Nietzsche and Schopenhauer quotes. Love those two thinkers. That Schopenhauer quote you used is one of my favorite too. Really shows how women during peak fertility are super high value, but then decline rapidly.

[–]davist80 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is one of the best TRP articles I have read 👌

[–]HoundDogs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't often comment here but I wanted to say as someone who's been successfully married for over a decade, there is a tremendous amount of truth here that I didn't even recognize I had developed naturally as a result of repeated failures with women as a young man.

For anyone on the fence about the use of the word "Narcissism", when it comes to actually describing a desirable trait when dealing with the opposite sex, I can tell you that it is absolutely essential. Obsessive, clinical narcissism is a problem and men like that have problems....that's not what's being discussed here. Narcissism in the way that it's being described here could also be described as unwavering self confidence. A man who gives off a visible light of certainty.

[–]GoTilly 1 points1 points [recovered]

A true alpha doesn't need to manipulate women. A true alpha has his life together & the means to chooses a woman of integrity & quality. Only low-grade women will entertain this.

[–]fortifel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've come to 3 independently. I've tried to argue with my LTR at first, but now if something goes wrong I just remain silent or continue from my where she interrupted me. She may cry, she may run away, but eventually, she acknowledges who's in charge and calms down.

[–]WhorehouseVet 10 points11 points  (1 child)

One way to create abundance mentality is to bang prostitutes.

[–]XZTALVENARNZEGOMSAYT 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Welp, time to bang a prostitute

[–]The_Eternal_Valley 1 points1 points [recovered]

This seems like desperate clinging to a traditional philosophy of masculinity that's gradually being phased out as the west is evolving and adopting new social structures. What does gaming masculinity achieve in a relationship beyond a profound lack of authenticity? What's the point if it's all just another act to put on for transient desires?

Be real and open with everyone including yourself. That has true and lasting value. We're in an age where we have the exciting opportunity to reinvent and embrace our own masculinity! A man can't do that if he's got a death grip on an outdated concept of how he should be. He should just be, without phony pretense. I for one revel in discovering what it means to be a man. But this? This isn't okay, this is delusional. And it doesn't matter if it's effective or not. l Living like this and treating other human beings like this is messed up and ego worshipping.

[–]Pastelitomaracucho 1 point2 points  (2 children)

But it supposedly gets you laid if you are not able to get laid. That's the point. That's the point of this sub: getting laid even if you have to lie and pretend because women do it all the time anyway. Uncomfortable? Yes. That's why the red pill analogy is used.

[–]The_Eternal_Valley 1 points1 points [recovered]

That doesn't seem like a good justification at all. It's intentionally debasing your humanity in the pursuit of a worthless goal

[–]Pastelitomaracucho 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. The argument for this is that sexual strategy is amoral.

[–]opithrow83 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think it's wrong, since women and natural alphas already do it. But it does Rob your life and relationships of authenticity.

[–]Veneck 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I think I sort of get what you're saying, but can you be a little more specific?

What does gaming masculinity achieve in a relationship beyond a profound lack of authenticity?

What's "authenticity"?

A man can't do that if he's got a death grip on an outdated concept of how he should be. He should just be, without phony pretense.

Here's a curveball, what if a man's masculinity, without phony pretense, is to look for ways to better himself in whichever way he deems worthy of his time, and in his search this post was what he stumbled upon.

But this? This isn't okay, this is delusional.

Which part(/s) specifically and for what reason?

Living like this and treating other human beings like this is messed up and ego worshipping.

Again if you could be more specific, which part(/s) specifically and for what reason?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Jesus this is some fucked up shit. I had no idea this is what this sub is about. You people actually believe this shit? god damn... how about just be yourself and not act like a fucking asshole so you can maybe have more sex. The only people who buy into this alpha beta bullshit are those who operate on the lowest planes of intelligent thought. Seeing a complex and wonderful world in black and white. This shit is pathetic.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

The meaningful statements that I've derived from your comment here are that "just being yourself" results in more sex and that the alpha/beta distinction is, I assume, meaningless.

As to your first point, it seems self-evident that calibrated and deliberate behavior strategies with respect to nearly any conceivable human endeavor will have greater results than operating on no plan, operating via instinct, whim, and present-moment intuition. You wouldn't say to someone trying to learn tennis "just do what feels right" or someone learning to start a business "just act on your immediate impulse and everything will work out great."

Similarly, deliberately utilizing some conceptual and behavioral tools to maximize sexual attraction from women is superior to just "being yourself"--especially when we consider that there is no such thing as the self, it being a mere combination of conflicting and confused parts.

To your second point, it is not controversial that there are men who are getting way less sex than they want (generally betas) and there are men getting exactly as much sex as they want (generally alphas). In that trivial and uncontroversial sense, the beta/alpha distinction is plenty valid.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

No, I did not mean be yourself to have more sex. I meant be yourself just because being honest about who you are leads to more meaningful relationships with people whom you would actually enjoy spending time with. You shouldn't act like another person, in the case the article brings up, an asshole, just to have more sex. There are more important things to life than just the amount of sex you have, especially at the cost of your dignity and self identity. And having alpha and beta, even if they were to exist in some vague form, be decided on amount of sex is just plain shallow. There are many more factors affecting the leadership ability or other various alpha tendencies. It's just flawed logic.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I don't think you're interested enough in cultivating a lifestyle of regular sex with attractive young females to really participate in this subreddit. This isn't a discussion about morality or dignity. You also used the word "shouldn't" without respect to a clearly defined tangible goal. This is moralizing and is against the rules of this subreddit.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Except I have a lifestyle of regular sex. And I'm saying your advice is terrible. Ignore women and act like they were born to serve you? Seriously? That's called being a fucking asshole. There are behavioral modifications you could make but definitely not those. That shits just fucked up.

[–]TheHinduGodThatCould 1 point2 points  (1 child)

In ancient times, If 6% of the population fathered 80% of the kids and assuming since their fathers are alpha they have a higher likely hood of being an Alpha than one fathered by a Beta, wouldn't the population of Alphas go up? Or maybe only a certain percentage of the society is in a position to be alpha? Maybe it is not genetic but a cultural practice? Or if it is genetic, why aren't the population of alphas higher? recessive Phenotype? Can scientists find the alpha gene?

[–]Starfuckingman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One of many things I learned from TRP, is to show sexual interest and not hide it (It was one of my most apparent changes of mine to get out of beta-sex-is-not-important kind of guy). But now it says act like a sex-satisfied person, I am still on the road, getting plenty of sex but I still show a bit of eagerness to fuck. So now I am a bit confused.

[–]Peter_B_Long 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love this article. It speaks a lot. I think this article can be enhanced if some examples were given for the second point.

[–]RedPill_Swinger 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had sex with hundreds of women, yet I don't see myself as truly "alpha" yet due to some genetic traits: I'm short (1,78 or 5'10) and have some white strands of hair and goatee but I managed to make up for it thanks to a strong mind, willpower and application. How would you define who I am? Not that I need validation or affiliation or a notion, I will simply carry on with my set of beliefs without caring too much, but in modern world that 1-16 ratio is not enough to explain why there could be "median" values and not only a polarised dichotomy alpha and beta.

[–]omgwtfidk89 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Are these tips working for you?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I haven't gone more than 4 days without sex in 2 years.

[–]omgwtfidk89 0 points1 point  (3 children)

What do you do for a living?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

See under "Money" http://archive.is/tuGgg

[–]omgwtfidk89 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So a decently sucessful business owner says he has sex 3 days a week. And tell other guys who struggle just to talk to women tp do what he does and act liked it supposed to work for them.

I am not trying to discredit you but don't you think what work for you, and who you socialize with, would be different for others?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Suppose only 20 percent of people who read the post have some overlapping social realities and therefore can use the post. In that case, 10,000 people read something of value.

[–]SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This was really helpful thanks.

[–]LOST_TALE 3 points4 points  (1 child)

(and because sexual strategy is amoral anyway)

No. We just avoid morality here. That is all.

[–]BiteAndThrow -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Please let me know how you find morality in a strategy.

[–]dreamfisher 9 points10 points  (7 children)

So, I've read the comments, and I'm still not sure if it's serious, or a satire. Help?

[–]donkey_democrat 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It's serious. Why would it be satire? Satire of what?

[–]Colororcolour 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Down votes imply they're serious. Ha

[–]ledsarenice 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're not totally off, this could be mistaken for satire. I for one do not take this seriously, as sincere as it may be it's misguided. edit I hate to sound condescending, but if grown ass men can't read these words without getting offended I guess they don't belong in this kind of confident, expressive community. It's easy to get caught up in your world view when there's dozens of individuals who agree with you.

[–]Stamitz19 6 points7 points  (1 child)

These people are completely serious

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As a rule I'm never completely serious.

[–]PillTheRed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why would it be satire? Are you able to give a specific example? I'm guessing not, and it just hurts your feelz... Lol

[–]TheDers79 3 points4 points  (4 children)

This is a good post - thank you. I have a pretty high fuck count and it's been with a plethora of women. There was a saying when I was younger "short, skinny, fat or tall, Mark fucks them all." I find it funny when I think about it now. I have only had bad feelings after it was with a super low woman, which wasn't/isn't often, other than that, I fucked them all and I was happy about it.

I'm just now getting back in the game after being in a marriage for 11 years and getting my manhood back - this community has played a big role in my understanding. I was a Chad and now I'm building that back. Being a shorter man makes it harder, but it doesn't stop me. I have many beta traits I've picked up along the way, though I'm quickly ridding myself of them. Thank you, M

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

/u/vengefully_yours is short too (and older) but kills it. Might be a good point of reference.

[–]Monkee77 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

How'd you lose your manhood in the first place?! Did your dick fall off?

[–]TheDers79 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Lol Being married and buying into the bs.

[–]dennishamburglar 1 points1 points [recovered]

lol. this is incredible. never seen so many self/women hating virgins in one place in my life.

[–]PillTheRed 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Shaming language? Got anything of substance to add?

[–]Sensei_Hensei 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shame shame shame ding ding ding

[–]Western_Preston 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The fact that you're calling women 'girls' and 'females' demonstrates you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You write like a pretentious 15 year old who got laid for the first time because his cousin is just as morbidly curious as he is. Get a fucking grip tips fedora

[–]sigmonster 1 points1 points [recovered]

I'm a lady and I wish I had some sexual strategy/ magical answer like you say.

I agree that females tend to rely on males for certain things. In my case, people find me attractive to look at but I'm so awkward and nerdy inside.

First, I'd like to address the narcissistic behavior/ acting like god. This behavior is extremely effective on some groups of women. Women with high levels of empathy coupled with high IQ tend to be the easiest group to manipulate. It's a combination of overthinking, overlooking, and overthinking.

Everybody wants something. I have a good job, a nice house, and a nice car. I dated someone who subscribed to this site. He said he was a feminist (it didn't matter to me at that point... I was young and naive about the fact that there is this supposed horrible rift between men and women). I paid for everything in our relationship... but I never even called it feminism or anything. I just thought I was helping someone I care about in a way i could. He was absolutely obsessed with porn. I watch porn... fine... but he eventually just told me that just couldn't really be into me because I liked having sex with him.

I realized he had a deep seated hatred for women. I still don't understand it because his mom was the one who was there for him growing up. His parents both had masters degrees- his mom was a cool head librarian, but I guess his dad yelled and beat her. She had left her home at a young age to be with him. When I met her... she still would hang her head in shame as both my bf at the time and his father spoke to her as though she was a filthy rag.

I recognize that now and in the past I may have thought of physical security as something I'd imagine in a partner/ romantic interest. Even if a guy isn't much bigger than me I like feeling as though maybe someone has my back. The weird thing is I've found the men who talk about "protecting women" the most are the ones who are also most likely to hurt women.

I'm truly terrified to date any guy ever again because according to this blog and my recent experience, I am three holes surrounded by garbage. Now I am sick of going on dates to have guys say some weird neg thing to me or talk about sexual fantasies on the first date. It's just bizarre and now that I can identify it and the fact that it could fuck my mind up if I continue.. I just cut it off. I pay for at least my portion, say thank you for meeting, and go back to the safety of my house which I bought at 25 and play piano or just cut down a tree for no reason

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Some science - everywhere I seen this number I've seen that 80 or 20% of males passed their genes further. 1/16 is way off!

[–]trpperr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pareto's Principle was originally about economics. Only in the 20fh century was it transferred to other stuff. PP stated that 20% of causes have 80% effects and 20% people owned 80% wealth in Italy back then.

[–]kehlan_reddits 1 points1 points [recovered]

Holy shit, you guys need to be sent away to an island where you can all circle jerk away from society

[–]SpoaMaster 1 points1 points [recovered]

Yea right? I like the stuff about self improvement but this crap about manipulating women and how they are all the same is some weak ass shit.

[–]donkey_democrat -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's about putting yourself in a position that a woman can respect. Nowhere does it say to use your position to do her harm, so what is the issue?

He even says that he uses the word manipulation because he thinks it works best to describe what he talks about, but he acknowledges it may sound malicious when his intentions are not.

[–]Soggybrick 1 points1 points [recovered]

Great post. Just wondering though how would you tackle a situation where the girl you're with doesn't like the fact you've ignored her/asks the question again in a more insisting manner

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Then you're obligated to talk to her, of course.

You're not obligated to defend, explain, excuse or rationalize. To any one. At any time. Wait, that spells DEER?!!?

Miranda rights, for example.

So you don't have to say anything. Or fog, or a+a, or practice your amused mastery, or simply tell her, "I'm not discussing this." then Broken record.

Ever hear about treating women like bratty little girls? How much weight is behind a 4 yo girl insistently asking you something?

There's your answer.

This is level 1 stuff, buddy.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I hate when people get embarassed and delete.

His post was...

But what if she insists?

Paraphrasing, but you can see why it went away.

[–]DjCbal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good post, thumbs up

[–]soupermain 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I spend a lot of time doing online dating with apps and such and recently a lot of girls have been suggesting to connect with me on snap IG FB and or kik after I've asked for their number... how should I handle this as it relates to point 3?

Usually I just reply with "hah it's alright good luck finding what you're looking for"

[–]skibrett15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't ask for their number. If you're asking for a number you should be looking to meet up already and get off app... so either set the meet in app, or something like "here's my number: xxx-xxxx. Use it if you want to. If not, no worries."

Probably your problem is upstream of the number close.

[–]hodltaco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Oh hell yah. Nothing drives them crazier than you not taking every pass. Especially effective for married RP's.

[–]metallicdrama 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Some women are so messed up you can still have another woman's stink on you and they get even hornier for it.

[–]AkiRa84 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yes, because jealousy. Don't you know what a cuckold is?

[–]Redsmoke18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is probably the hardest part of the pill to swallow, at least for me at the begining. the more I put into practice I start seeing results almost immediatley. I have a friend to which I advised to buy a book based on this mentality. He thinks its sexist. some men will be in denial of this mentality until they have no other choice but to accept.

[–]hafunnylol 0 points1 point  (1 child)

All I can say is that my first hand experiences match up with what red pill says and not at all what you say. One of the things that make me happy is women. Either having sex with numerous attractive women or having a relationship with a great woman. You say it's good to cry and share. My first hand experiences tell me it's not good when it comes to women. Who should I believe? My first hand experiences or you?

You'll never believe me, but it's the god honest truth.

[–]iolitewrites 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Uncle Phil you gotta kick that man's BUTT

[–]XReverenceX 1 points1 points [recovered]

I seriously miss my daily meditation's. I struggled hard with my libido hurtling me into the orbit of women who gave no shit about me.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You, as a male, pay every promiscuity in how much honor/dishonor you will get from your children/descendants.

Females pay promiscuity in their loss of value, personality, and creeping unhappiness despite all the temporary satisfactions.

These are hidden features, but it is convenient to take them into account, when thinking about one's life.

[–]wealthycracker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bravo, chap, bloody good post! Will be saving this one in the archives!

[–]throwinghthisoneaway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with everything except stooping lower to bang ugly chicks, seriously dude I don't think I could get even 1% hard with a girl who's not atleast a 6

[–]thisisathrowaway6999 0 points1 point  (5 children)

What happens when you are a virgin and you develop the satisfied feeling, get a girl and can't do shit or don't know what to do.

[–]donttouchmykicks 1 points1 points [recovered]

If a girl you're interacting with asks an unwanted question or makes an unwanted statement, flatly ignore it. [..] I am suggesting that you literally act exactly as if she had not said it at all.

i see this written a lot when it comes to frame, be it responding to shit tests or something else, but in my experience it rarely works. when i've tried it women tend to just repeat and repeat and prod over and over until it gets awkward. i usually flip it on them as being socially retarded or having some insecurity about the question.

can you go a bit deeper on this topic?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

women tend to just repeat and repeat and prod over and over

This is disrespect and is a result of either an unhealthy dynamic that you've allowed to exist between you and her or is just her nature in which case you should next her.

[–]PoloPicasso 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fantastic post. Best thing I've read here in weeks.

[–]BloodRedAlert 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow never heard of Tip 3 before hahahaha I really thought that bold confrontation is the key

[–]smyger 1 points1 points [recovered]

You should get a diplomma in narcissim

[–]ledsarenice 0 points1 point  (6 children)

The concept of 'alphas' is unscientific. I like reddit as a source of information, but it seems like too many individuals are using it to satisfy their confirmation bias. What a waste of time, almost to the extent this comment. I edited this comment stupidly, but seriously if you let your carnal desires determine your ways you're not trying too hard to be much more than a primitive animal.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

The terms are useful in describing two different types of men today, the sexually successful and the not. I have no opinion on whether alpha and beta are actual genetic properties or something.

[–]ledsarenice 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I suppose, alpha vs beta as opposed to a general understanding of confidence and insecurity is a little silly in my opinion. I could be wrong just the same, but I think it's a little bit more than semantics. Sexual success isn't too big of an accomplishment considering the continued existence of all life is dependent on it and has been for billions of years. I mean, great job following your genetic incentive to reproduce but it seems like just another menial grind and while there's nothing wrong with going through the motions of life, embracing them seems silly since there's nothing special about it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The appeal of sexuality has nothing to do with the considerations you mentioned. It has to do with cultivating and maintaining healthy mental states. The premise here is that regular sex--ideally coupled with affection, trust, and friendship--is desirable and healthy for men. If you disagree and don't want an active sex life then the subreddit may be of little use to you.

[–]ledsarenice 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I don't disagree, ignoring our sexual drive can't be healthy. I just think that while sex can be a large factor in an intimate relationship, sex for the sake of sex isn't too differenent than masturbating and the obnoxious pursuit of it is kind of a waste of time when there's so much else to life we can focus on. I think we should acknowledge the lines between maintaining our health and feeding an addiction are often blurred in this identity-driven society. I agree with the concept of this reddit, 'The Red Pill' that we have nothing ashamed of in being males and living life naturally as we have evolved to. I just think we're a little too concerned with this social dance we do and feeding our superficial understandings of necessities and etc. I'm not a genius, so I'm probably articulating this poorly, I'm not against sex just the desperation oh so many people feel when they think they're deprived. I hope I don't sound like I'm trying to insult you, I'm just young and naive and hoping to gain some insight discussing this shit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To your point (I think) I in a previous post outline that sex (and money) are of limited value without the proper psychological frame to incorporate them into:

Money and sex are of practically no value without the presence of a psyche that will wisely integrate those things into a greater psychological whole. The tools that I have discovered and use to do this and to cultivate the highest quality mental states like positive energy and bliss are listed below. I am completely aware of how controversial some of these are and by no means intend to suggest that sexual marketplace success is dependent on their adoption.

  • Semen retention - Regulate your orgasms to twice a week through the practice of intermittent non-ejaculatory sex (karezza). I know how controversial this is but I promise that it has immense value.
  • NoFap - Train your brain to seek sexual gratification exclusively from sexual marketplace success, not your hand.
  • Lift heavy weights EOD for testosterone.
  • Run 30+ minute EOD for serotonin regulation.
  • Meditate - I currently meditate 1 to 2 hours per day.
  • Stretch / practice yoga asanas 10-15 minutes per day.
  • Cold showers - Cold water on the skin produces a flight-or-fight response which releases norepinephrine into the bloodstream--an antidepressant that provides a significant mood lift.
  • Sleep 8-12 hours per day - I love sleep.
  • Diet - No artificial sugars or processed foods. Cheat meals allowed in social settings on weekends or when traveling.

[–]ledsarenice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tl;DR it seems like these concepts are more to satisfy our sense of identity rather than a practical measure of understanding of how to interact with other people and do well in life. I'm not saying it's innately wrong or anything, I just am having trouble figuring out what the point of these facades are.

[–]Olipyr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've fucked 100+ different women. I've slammed more than one hog. Don't do that just to get laid. It's gross and you'll be disgusted by it. Lower your threshold to something tolerable. Rub one or two out before you go fuck that hog.

Quality over quantity. Most of mine have been quality thankfully. We all have grenades we've jumped on and/or a slump breaker or five.

Best article I've read here in awhile. So good I had to comment on it.

[–]TrennyTrenTren86 1 points1 points [recovered]

How do you guys prevent catching feelings. I don't understand. I did it for so long. And fell hard for this girl, we are going on 9 months and i don't know how to cut my feelings. I won't go into detail about why I need to break up with her but I do. And I fucking can't because i "love" her. If only I found this thread 9 months earlier, maybe shit would be different. Any advice would be appreciated. I don't know if I believe with how you guys think, but I definitely didn't care to fuck with serious relationships before dating her.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't not catch feelings. I have feelings for the girl I'm seeing. With those feelings come risk that I'm keenly aware of and reward that I treasure.

[–]TheYekke 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I save my time by not engaging at all with them bitches. I've had my fun, but you can have the bitches, just be aware that in the end DNA testing and lawyers will find you. What was ok in the Neolithic won't fly any more in the high-tech 21st century. The non-playa man is more acutely aware of the new era of polygamy you aptly describe, and will figure out the cities are no-go areas. I've been expecting foreign women to become a viable alternative - for example, with the columbian civil war over that country's vag is going to be tapped wholesale. Heck, I'm shocked Christian India isn't already a destination, with Cambodia not far behind. Nature abhors a vacuum after all. Another source of vag to get tapped are the professional black women. Gotta thank affirmative action for making swirling a thing, and their hypergamy hitting the brick wall of the prison system that happily incarcerates the male competition.

Beyond other sources of vag, expect careers to become an epic focal point for men, either by dropping out, or becoming an obsession. You get to watch that dynamic already in present day Silicon Valley but more so in the Foxconn labs. Bill Gates is my hero, not Roosh V. Microsoft's IPO made many millionaires and after that vag can just be bought.

And the final wonderful outlet that even the Playa is going to have to deal with is politically motivated violence; many sexually frustrated men make for great cannon fodder in daily running street battles. Throw in a side of Tarrahush (that other day game done in Europe), and it's going to be great! Of course, if you have money you can afford to live in the various green zones even though it's going to be every man for himself.

The fallacy in your story is to assume the today will effortlessly translate into the day after tomorrow. The SMP affects everything and you and I don't know when or how it just all tips Tits up. Example: I could have used my safe Dutch passport to have my pick of young secular westernized upper class Algerian women desperate to escape from VBIEDS and green zone dusk to dawn shoot on sight curfews back in the mid 90s. Places go ape very fast, in Beirut's case on a sunny afternoon in the mid 70s. Berlin in the 1920s had a great nightlife with plenty of free fucking and hours of nightly gun battles. Sorta like charlottsville pre- AR-15.

So yes long live the playa. We're in for a fun ride

Teal Deer: the game doesn't stay static when it's about Vag. Playa beware

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

not engaging at all with them bitches

Are you suggesting that porn and masturbation are preferable to a sexually generous plate or girlfriend?

Cambodia not far behind

Moving there in 3 weeks albeit with a female. My preemptive experience on AsianDating suggests that I'll be treated like a celebrity there by women there, who I was surprised to find are often more prudish than you could even imagine in the USA ("no i dont talk about sex or anything until after marriage")

black women

I can't get past the unsettling tastes, textures, and smells seemingly associated with all genuinely black females, which is shameful considering their libido.

vag can just be bought

Having never paid for sex I'm still undecided on how satisfying that experience might be; it seems like half of the pleasure derived from sex is the ego-validation involved in her fucking you for free.

many sexually frustrated men make for great cannon fodder in daily running street battles

Until now I had not yet connected the dots between antifa/anarchist rioters and the likely sexual frustration that they as betas experience. Just speculation probably.

fallacy in your story is to assume the today will effortlessly translate into the day after tomorrow

I'm skeptical that any political, cultural, or technological developments will drastically alter the basic mechanisms by which female sexual attraction is triggered by alpha-male traits. I think these things persist in every conceivable human environment. This assumes that you're in the top 20, perhaps 10 percent of males. Otherwise, yes, you might have more to lose.

[–]TheYekke 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Being at a watering hole means you're always going to eat if it's the only one in the area. For the Playa, the big city is that watering hole, especially if there are universities that provide a constant re supply of fresh 18 year old poon. Always preferable to one of many alternatives, with the final one being uncaring. Bitches are just white noise to me ( and thanks to TRT I'm back to being 18) compared to my now 6-figure career. Being at the top of the pyramid beats a blow job any day. It will happen to anyone, just give it time. Vag is a commodity, just like precious metal, and most men either get 8 or 10 carat gold, if at all. The HB9 escort on the other hand is that 24 carat exception, and is a great way to top off a vegas vaca, but hey you pay for it. That kind of vag, the kind you remember forever (or thanks to hidden cameras, relive often). That GF will PMS in your company but this one won't.

Black women ... experience them In their native African setting and they'll stick to your mind. Tall, gracious, a bowl With fruit on their head, striding past you like an antelope,giving that 6 year old me a great look at her perky breasts. Forget about the hood rats from rapper vids, think well mannered marriage minded with their own income and untapped for years. Marinate in a culture that extols 'nice' for long enough and eventually 'it just happens'. That moment was 10 years ago. It's about to go mainstream but don't expect the media to cover it.

Foreign women. Two words: Sophia Vergara. A whole country full of women just like her. Heck the paramilitary policewomen in Columbia in real Life look better than the gun bunnies here you can only see in magazines. Yeah. There are downsides, and you may need to find local stringers to feed your funnel, but again you set the pace and escape is one plane ride away.

The 'beta male' you set against the Playa isn't exactly clueless either. The smart ones concentrate on their careers putting those extra hours into work climbing the pyramid or running a shop of their own. It's a explicit understanding of your own stage in life, just like with the fable of the ant and the cricket. That dynamic can already be seen by the extension of the clock carousel into the 30s for bitches, the plummeting marriage rates, but most tellingly by the now ubiquitous 'must make 6 figures' requirement that keeps popping up in online dating profiles. Bitches still date Betas, this shit doesn't come out of thin air.

So back to the future. Imagine another Great Recession and the accompanying displacement and slide into obsolescence of major portions of the economy. Imagine that big shining city of today, filled with easy poon, collapsing/drying up like Detroit in 2017. My generation was the white flight and the Mall was our green zone. The viable city is a concept of the Reagan era and can flip back to urban hell hole very very fast. I took good notice of the book Date-onomics and that watering hole concept at the start precisely describes why it's so easy to find poon in the big city. A small flick of the economic wrist and it's gone

Enjoy your time in Pnom Phen!

[–]z0mby123 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The true Alpha Males are the ones who control society from their ivory towers

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Alpha males are men who are by their nature sexually successful. I'm not sure what special relationship Soros' influence, for example, has to do with sexual strategy or success. Also, a very large number of people control society, not a closed few--though I think that number needs to grow even greater.

[–]DM112090 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Fellas, do me a favor. I completely concur with the ignore game and manage it pretty decently. Obviously it's easiest to ignore via text.

For these scenarios, though, how does a man ignore and not look butthurt:

  • Driving and she says something pointedly offensive?
  • Phone call?

The way I've managed so far is a smirk, but a lot of time that just provokes the female until the escalation can turn into a scene.

Can any of you give me solid examples of how you've navigated awkward cold shoulder situations? I wanna see if there's some brilliant shit I'm just not doing

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I've received a lot of replies to this effect. All I can say is that y'all seem to be hanging out with some serious cunts and/or/therefore/because you haven't established the proper frame and relationship dynamic in which she knows she can't get away with that bullshit.. ever.

[–]DM112090 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You're probably right, actually. I think one of the truths about TRP and what makes MRP so hard is that once a woman has seen you out-of-frame, making up for the lost time or retraining her is like teaching a 7-year-old dog new tricks. Not impossible by any means, but many times more work than our limited time should take on.

Oddly genius reply; thanks for your input.

[–]tinmanshrugged 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What if the girl stubbornly insists you respond to whatever she's said that you're ignoring? Give up on her and move on?

[–]herbw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's often good to take a look at the biology of what's going on here. Men's testosterone is 4-5 times higher than that of a woman. His orgasm is more intense and so he likes having sex more often than a woman does. And that allows the woman to manipulate him more because he desires sex more than she does. That's a basic real, existing fact of biology which has to be considered.

If a woman for medical reasons is given testosterone we see a marked rise in her sexual interest and performance, so much so that she can often wear out her husband. Thus, the testosterone activity/levels are very important in creating the male/female relationship.

The man has to realize this, and to substitute self control for this difference. Otherwise, the man is pussy whipped too often.

& also frequent sex in a young, desirable woman can also result in pregnancies, which she might not want to have, esp. in so many narcissistic woman we see today, as well. An older woman, well past her childbearing years is often quite a big more interested in sex because having babies is NOT a part of the act, any more.

Another factor is that when a male is in a sexual/pairing off relationship with a woman, his desire for sex tends to drop off over time, for various reasons. this is a result of habituation, that is getting used to the sexual activity and is yet another event which is biologically driven.

So, it's useful to take into consideration these biological facts when dating and pairing off with a woman.

[–]minnlin 1 points1 points [recovered]

How would one go about manipulating a woman that tries to be manipulative? Ran into an issue we're this lady will act sweet but has a "what ever" attitude, constantly praises the guys but will act like she is not interested only to later try to rill back in with showy clothes and flirts? Met this girl and hit a slump because I get the urge to break her, bring her down from the pedestal she set herself on.

[–]thisisapersonyo 0 points1 point  (10 children)

As a female, I am trying to read this and understand where you all are coming from but to be truely honest.. I am just horrifically offended.

Can someone please explain to me how it's okay to think that your woman should serve you? I am not asking this question sarcastically, I am just trying to understand this sort of thinking and how this translates to regular life. If my SO treated me in this manner I would feel extremely hurt and Im just trying to understand how you can do the things stated above and still respect/love the person you are with?

Also, I apologize if I am intruding on this thread or something and I am not here to critisize, but understand.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (9 children)

Let's talk about a spectrum in relationships. On one end, the female has all the power. On the other, the male has all the power. On both ends of this spectrum the relationship is toxic, unsustainable, and not happiness producing. Directly in the middle of the spectrum you have an egalitarian relationship, which is superior to both ends of the spectrum. Adjacent to the egalitarian relationship on this spectrum is one in which the man has a bit more power than the female, but she's still winning too because she's treated well, not bossed around, she's protected and provided for, there's a healthy level of emotional attachment, etc., but the man is the leader and the dynamic is such that she is more engaged in the mindset of pleasing him than he is in pleasing her. I advocate this relationship form as the most desirable for men. Whether you personally don't prefer this dynamic is irrelevant because more than enough girls do.

[–]thisisapersonyo 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Your explanation is very good and I can understand a relationship in which the male is the dominant decision maker etc... In fact I am in such a relationship and I enjoy being the feminine one and having a masculine presence around me. However, I have never felt like my SO isn't trying to please me as much as I am trying to please him. For a simple example, if he said he was thirsty but I could see he was playing a game or something I would jump up and getting water( which he would never do for me) ...but if I mentioned that my brakes make noise, he would make sure they are fixed for me ASAP. Hence, both of us are trying to please each other, just not in the same context.

I guess I am having an issue understanding the statement that the female is more interested in pleasing the male. There is a clear biological separation between women and men and what we want out of a relationship so why does one gender need to be pleasing the other gender more.

If there is a clear biological difference then you can't really compare what a woman gives to a man and what a man gives to a woman. Each gender should, in my opinion, bring everything to the table.

I guess my issue with understanding this thread and a lot of others in this subreddit is the idea that females should be put in a position where they are being looked down upon my the male sex ( as in whiney, subconsciously manipulative, and only seek protection). I am not saying this statement to be a screaming feminist and say we should be like men, treated like men, etc etc ... I am just saying that wouldn't it make more sense to say that these two different genders provide each other with opposing things that you cannot compare rater then saying they like it when the alpha male is an alpha male and they have to please him ?

Maybe I am not misunderstanding the just of all these posts but again, I am just trying to understand how you guys think.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children)

There is a lot of shitting on women that occurs here. Some of it is therapeutic, some of it is over-compensation for perceived gynocentrism, some of it is just weak losers trying to mask their insecurities in hatred.

Regardless, I want to take that raw energy and convert it into wisdom: the wisdom that leads men to interact with women in ways maximally conducive to male happiness. Incidentally and conveniently, those ways tend to also create stability and happiness in women too.

[–]thisisapersonyo 0 points1 point  (6 children)

I agree with your latter statement and I am glad we are having this discussion.

However I do have to mention that you yourself stated in this thread that women of integrity and quality do not exist. How can you have a relationship with a woman where both genders are satisfied and happy if you believe this.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Women of quality and integrity exist inasmuch as they are made, inasmuch as the use of that capacity in them is required of them by people in their lives that are providing value conditional upon that behavior. The girl I am seeing treats me well. In that respect she is high quality to me. But is it true that "all ya need to dooo is just find a high quality girl with integrity and you're set?" No. In that sense, high quality girls don't just exist out there waiting to be roped into a relationship. Rather, girls have the potential to treat men well if properly incentivized to do so.

[–]thisisapersonyo 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I think your statement is valid. Again, though I dont understand why you choose to describe this dynamic the way that you do( ie. The fact that women are made to be of quality, or that they are of integrity and quality when given the right incentive). This really goes back to my original statement in that it seems like on this subreddit women are treated as somewhat lesser then males, kind of like kids or dogs that you need to love protect and train.

It is true that women will probably treat a guy who is recpectful, successful, motivated, experienced, confident etc etc better. However I don't think this something that their male partner teaches them but rather they give to only to the male they recpect.

I get that the difference is small but it's there. This subreddit goes into very much detail on how to train girls to fall all over the alpha male instead of just saying look dude women like confidence and this and that. In a way it seems like instead of putting the fault on the guys and modern society the fault is skewed onto women and how they are manipulative etc etc and a male needs to teach them how to be of quality. Which, in the long run, outputs a bunch of alpha males who instead of looking at a partner and thinking "she has her strengths, and I have mine" is thinking " she's a manipulative bitch who I need to play a game on to get what I want"...

I don't know, I hope I am making some sense here.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

kind of like kids or dogs that you need to love protect and train.

Yes.

train girls to fall all over the alpha male

Females do this naturally, on their own. TRP discusses how to "become alpha" or to benefit from the alpha-pleasing instincts of women.

instead of looking at a partner and thinking "she has her strengths, and I have mine" is thinking " she's a manipulative bitch who I need to play a game on to get what I want"...

The right attitude about women is a combination of these two sentiments. It combines 1. rugged self-interest with 2. relationship generosity and good-will.

[–]thisisapersonyo 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I'm sorry I guess we just won't see eye to eye. Especially in the first statement. The fact that this thread promotes the idea that your female SOs as children and need to be thought and treated as less then you is so wrong in my opinion.

I don't see a relationship being built on this and it being a good and lasting one. Why would any of you want to be with someone who you do not think as your equal but instead as your child/dog etc. How can you build a life with someone you don't recpect but instead look at as a responsibility. All I see with this thought process is an alpha male who feels like his wife and children are things he needs to train. Where he cannot show his wife his weaknesses and always has to stay on guard. This kind of life to me seems extremely sad and stressful. I believe that you can recpect and even look up to your female partner and not treat her as your child and still be an alpha male, get the recpect that a male craves and have a life where you fulfill your duties as the male and she fulfills her duties as a female and still make make each other feel recpected etc..

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

show his wife his weaknesses

Your vision of a world in which a man confiding his weaknesses in his female partner doesn't lead to less sex and less attraction is really idealistic and beautiful. It's also just that; a vision, not reality. Human nature does not align with our aesthetic preferences manifested in Disney romance stories.

This kind of life to me seems extremely sad and stressful.

Thank you for acknowledging that. See a top post on this sub entitled "Men are not happy."

You're a woman. You don't have those responsibilities. You don't have to prove yourself every day. You can cry like a little baby and still be wildly precious and valuable to millions of men. You will never experience the pressure that nature has placed on men to succeed and prove himself, pressure that is good and justified and valuable. You are a human being; I am a human doing. You are innately valuable. I am innately a liability.

I believe in respectful relationships and trading good will. That doesn't mean that women and men are equal or have similar natures. They're not and don't. Women are attracted to dominance and men are attracted to innocence and fertility. Men create death, women create life. We are power, you are goodness. Both are essential and purposeful and are made whole by the other.

But women don't love men the way that men want to be loved. Men fundamentally want to loved the way their mother loved them; unconditionally. Men struggle to learn that females love the power and dominance that a man has, not him for himself. This is indeed sad to learn, but a much more real happiness is available once that truth is internalized and mastered and incorporated and used. You've made me ramble now, but perhaps there's something useful to you here.

I think what we can agree on is that love is the key ingredient that makes relationships work. What I'd add to that, that I think you reject, is that female nature is unforgiving, requires men to dominate, requires him ultimately to constantly prove himself to her, when on the other hand far, far less is required of her by him.

[–]Aurich80 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This theory doenst make sense to me, never did. Assume that we have 50%/50% men/women. Following your theory, there must be one Alpha male that breeds 16 women in his life. but thats not how it works. It would mean a world of Polygamy in which this one Alpha marries and financially takes care for 16 women (since they only look for someone to comfort and Support them).

maybe I got something wrong, but thats how I understood it.

[–]heritagenovus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this sub is pathetic and riddled with impotent rage. sorry ya'll are fucking losers.

[–]strfkrbit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can someone please make this for GIRLS TOO??? This exact instructional manual. On how to get alpha guys to actually like you.

[–]bl1871 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In regards to number 3; so road tells you sorry just looked at this on my way to the mall otherwise I would after getting invited for a run. are you suggesting you act like she said nothing and say something along the lines of; so I'll see you at 10:00? how far do you go with this ignoring what they said paradigm?

[–]MrAnderzon 0 points1 point  (7 children)

I like it when the post get straight to the point and use numbering. But answer me this OP. When one starts with the mentality of you are the star of the show, would that also include to look your best and physically fit?

[–]Mellyanish 1 points1 points [recovered]

Don't tell me you're going to whine that OP didn't remind us to lift and dress well. Must every single post harp on about that?

[–]THEDICKDEALER 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To these men who's brains have went into their nut bags yes.

[–]MrAnderzon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's kind of hard when reading something if the post is from whining or just an honest question. I was honestly asking the question.

[–]BlackMwoyo 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You should always be striving for it in the first place.

[–]nattyX 0 points1 point  (1 child)

would that also include to look your best and physically fit?

Isn't this something you should be doing by default?

[–]MrAnderzon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some people have this mentality and don't care about being physically fit. I wanted to know which one OP was aiming at.

[–]ZeRoyaleWithCheese 0 points1 point  (10 children)

The flat out ignoring does not seem practical

[–]donkey_democrat 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Think of it as just one tool in the box. It can't necessarily be applied everywhere

[–]450k_crackparty 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It really does work. Not to be used in all situations but it has it's place. For example, came home 2 hrs later than I said I would after not seeing my ltr for 2 weeks. She was upset and I literally ignored her while I unpacked my shift until her demeanor changed to what I wanted it to be. When it did, I rewarded by sweeping her off her feet and fucking the shit out of her.

[–]scrodzilla 2 points3 points  (7 children)

Yeah, wouldn't it be more productive to set a boundary for bad behavior?

[–]un-supervised-savage 10 points11 points  (6 children)

You are setting a boundary. You ignore bad behavior by not giving it attention. They want attention. If you don't give attention to bad behavior they will try good behavior to get your attention. Only reward them with attention if they exhibit good behavior. This technique is straight out of child obedience Psychology books lol and it works. I hardly have to discipline my son in any other way because it's so effective.

With women, telling them to change for you doesn't always work. Telling them without words by withdrawing yourself from them works EVERYTIME. Withdrawing attention from you kid isn't always a good idea though, if their bad behavior doesn't endanger them immediately then it is 99% effective. No threats no overt punishments, just the change you want.

[–]scrodzilla 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Actually, do you mind helping me out for a second?

I'm happy with 99% of my girl's behavior, with the exception that she occasionally brings up her ex-boyfriends. She actually just did it last Saturday, when the two of us were out to a nice dinner for her birthday, and it kind of pissed me off.

The next time this behavior happens, do you have a recommendation of what I should actually do? Break eye contact? Change the subject?

Thanks.

[–]un-supervised-savage 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Depends on the context of that conversation. How did her boyfriend come up in the conversation? Is she speaking positively about her ex? If so she's making you jealous with dread game. You can ignore it but if it's the first time this has happened, I'd address it. When GF brings this up to make you jealous, just ask why she left him. If he's so great why would she be with you and not him? Women do this all the time to manipulate men and it's not a rational tactic, so it's easy to defeat. Just point out how ridiculous her talk is.

[–]scrodzilla 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Basically I was making a date for us to go to a comedy club. Her response was "one time my ex and I went to a comedy club and the comedian heckled him."

She wasn't comparing him favorably, I was just irritated that it came up at all.

If you had any ideas, I'd appreciate it.

[–]un-supervised-savage 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That sounds harmless. Don't let that bother you. If she keeps talking about ex's it's very possible she's not over him. Nobody wants to constantly hear about an ex if they didn't bring up the ex themselves.

[–]scrodzilla 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She doesn't do it ultra often, but I'll keep an eye on it. Thanks for your help my dude.

[–]ThickDickWarrior89 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Incredible brother I will incorporate this strategy next week at my usual hunting broungs when the flood waters subside.

[–]Usename13579 0 points1 point  (4 children)

"Some science suggests that in ancient times only 1 out of every 16 men successfully reproduced." -- Source?

[–]PillTheRed 0 points1 point  (3 children)

First, let's be honest. You are just trying to pull a gotcha. I doubt you will actually respond. However, here are your sources. Now, go slink back to whatever bullshit Disney fairy tale you came from.

http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/women-were-out-reproducing-men-4000-years-ago/ https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

[–]Usename13579 2 points3 points  (2 children)

No, I was asking for your source. And now that I have reviewed them, I can say you are full of it and/or you did not read the source material yourself. The more recent Y-chromosome bottleneck you are talking about (calling it "ancient" even though it was only about 4,000-8,000 years ago) is only hypothesized to be due to cultural changes. There are a lot of "maybes" in those publications.

[–]PillTheRed 0 points1 point  (1 child)

There is a much better peer reviewed one out there, I just couldn't find and didn't feel like searching more than I already did. It's pretty fucking obvious that women like men with resources. If you don't see that everywhere you look, I don't know what to tell you. Look at the census data. Women don't marry down socioeconomically. The ones that do, are a miniscule minority. The vast majority marry and date guys who make the same, or more than they do. Also, it is close to the rate we see in nature with other species. Why would we be any different? Especially in prehistoric times.

[–]AkiRa84 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Both sources seem to imply that this was a just temporary thing, so not much of a point discussing it in terms of today's society. Maybe wars were common (men are the ones dying). There are diseases easy to treat today that can sterilize men but not women. Also harems are a thing, maybe they were popular at the time. Oh, and you can be an "alpha" all you want, it won't get you a harem, that takes money.

[–]thealchemistguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But women have always been easy for me... This is a loser/rape club.

[–]Roaring40sUK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a great post!

Dovetails nicely with things like Plate Theory. I also completely agree with the idea of just fucking some women regularly, even if they have lower than ideal SMV. In my experience, satisfaction gained from a sexual encounter doesnt necessarily correlate to her SMV.

[–]bitshifter52 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I'm not familiar with "The Red Pill," so perhaps there is some statistical data I'm not aware of that supports the claims made by this article.

What is the source of this statement?

Some science suggests that in ancient times only 1 out of every 16 men successfully reproduced.

What factors come into play with this claim? Personality, wealth, rape, and coercion are a few things that come to mind. I'm guessing Genghis Kahn and the Waffen-SS would be considered "alpha".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

What factors come into play with this claim? Personality, wealth, rape, and coercion are a few things that come to mind.

There's probably a huge variety of factors at play depending on the society. It would seem that rape would disrupt the process of sexual selection but I'd imagine that the majority of the men committing rape back then were alphas in the sense that they had the necessary social standing to get away with it in the tribal setting. I'm only speculating though.

Genghis Kahn

Without the slightest question.

Waffen-SS

Certainly there would have been some alphas within the SS but my understanding is also that there was a high proportion of homosexuals and real psychopaths as well. The difficulty in the question is that we're equivocating between sexual strategy and the genocidal behavior of a military organization.

[–]Senior Contributoradam-l 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Some science suggests that in ancient times only 1 out of every 16 men successfully reproduced.

This piece of information can be very misleading if we are to apply it to evolutionary psychology.

The study refers to "4000 to 8000 years ago". This is not the EEA (Era of Evolutionary Adaptation) for humans. This the era of the introduction of Agriculture, i.e. the era of class society, which greatly altered human relations.

As far as we can currently infer, in the EEA (before, say, 20000 years ago) the distribution of sex was much more equitable. For example, in modern hunter-gatherers, it is seldom that even the best hunter has more than two wives. In native American tribes 500 years ago, it was seldom that even the chief had more than three wives.

The "1 out of 16 men" of the past, as well as the current situation in the SMP are runaway deviations, rather than expressions of an evolutionary equilibrium of human mating. They are the corollary of what you identify as the effect of a female-primary social (and sexual) order, i.e. the demotion of sexual relationships to a zero-sum game.

Adam

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Cool. That's useful info.

Some questions to ask are how well marriage trends and actual reproduction trends mirror each other in the EEA, whether present day western culture better reflects the sexual marketplace dynamics of the EEA or of that experienced after the advent of agriculture, and whether the lessons derived from the 1/16 ratio still roughly hold under a more equitable ratio of 1/3 or so.

[–]Senior Contributoradam-l 2 points3 points  (0 children)

whether the lessons derived from the 1/16 ratio still roughly hold under a more equitable ratio of 1/3 or so.

1/16 vs 1/3 is a difference of at least one order of magnitude. Agriculture, overpopulation and its territorial scarceness (compared to hunter-gatherers), class society, wealth accumulation and the decomposition of tribe, all these were so radical changes that practically overturned all the tables on which nature has built our basic sexual psychology.

how well marriage trends and actual reproduction trends mirror each other in the EEA

There was no marriage at all in the EEA. Sexual relationships were probably a mixture of short-to-mid term "pair bonds", together with sex-vs-resources, i.e. sex per cash basis. Add community-bonding ritual orgies to the mix. So, instead of his wives, we would use a man's copulation count as a measure of his sexual and reproductive success. Now, for a man to be such a leader that he achieves a really high copulation count in the context of a tribe, he would have to have a level of consent from the other men. And that would mean keep the men happy, i.e. let them have sex. Human society is not gorilla society, any two "betas" could conspire to crash the "alpha"'s head while he slept, if he was being too annoying a womanizer.

So, as you see, there were counter-balancing forces. My personal take is that the most successful man in the EEA had no more than double or triple the sexual opportunities of the average. So, again, a completely different sexual landscape than today or the Agricultural era.

whether present day western culture better reflects the sexual marketplace dynamics of the EEA or of that experienced after the advent of agriculture

There are two cultural institutions that have dramatically tipped the sexual balance in favor of women in the past few millennia. Marriage, and institutional protection from rape. Especially today, with state-funded child rearing and child-support payments, female sexuality has been completely freed from the ancestral female need to exchange it for resources. This is what has made the pure Alpha male sexual strategy so uniquely important, in present day western culture. The mostly-Beta sexual strategy, i.e. the provisioning of resources and protection vs sex, was quite viable in our evolutionary past.

[–]GunnarX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

About the last little bit. If she asks you an unwanted question again, etc, would you suggest to keep ignoring? I can't imagine that would be the ideal course of action EVERY time. Can you give one example of a way to reply?

[–]XReverenceX 1 points1 points [recovered]

1.3k upvotes...

This world is already in hell.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I seriously miss my mosin nagant.

[–]Usename13579 0 points1 point  (3 children)

None of these are new or revolutionary. They are common negotiation tactics in business and personal relationships. Do you have anything new to add to the discussion?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

They're neither new nor common--a minority of men employ these tools and those that don't experience and produce unnecessary suffering as a result.

Unrelated: Do you have a theory as to why so many of your submitted reddit posts have been removed?

[–]Usename13579 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Read any book on business, psychology, or personal relationships. The three items you listed are old. If you are looking to attract undereducated, underexperienced, naïve women, you are on the right track!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You may have misread my comment; I agree that they are old principles. In this realm old is good, amirite Aristotle?

undereducated, underexperienced, naïve women

That is my favorite demographic.

[–]DemumA 0 points1 point  (4 children)

As a woman myself, I'll be damned if I ever let a man exercise dominance over me in all aspects of the relationship. Fuck outta here. A relationship is partnership, not dominance. I'm just as hot headed as you egocentric alphas. If my man is out of line, I'm gonna put him right back in his place.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

"Remain sexless while posting" is a rule of this community.

If you are over 23 then I would not date you anyway. If you are under 23 then we wouldn't get along anyway. I'm not sure what your point is here.

[–]DemumA 0 points1 point  (2 children)

My point is that it seems most of you think women are supposed to be submissive and follow their man like a little puppy when in reality that's not the case. There are MANY non feminist, strong women out there who feel the same. I wouldn't wanna date anyone that thinks they can control me anyways so

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

follow their man like a little puppy

control me

Blackdragon has a great way of delineating between different types of men: Beta, Alpha 1.0, and Alpha 2.0. Alpha 1.0 is controlling and insecure. Alpha 2.0 isn't controlling but focuses on his own behavior in order to maximize attraction and create freedom and abundance in his life. This latter form of alpha behavior is the type that I recommend. If you read my post closely I think you'll see that ultimately I am advocating a method of increasing sexual attraction by providing more value to a female by:

  • not being needy
  • being a leader and having self-confidence
  • using oscillating levels of distance and interaction rather than verbal or physical aggression to negotiate in relationships

The title was deliberately calibrated to attract the attention of the bitter women-haters here. Hopefully many of them read the essay itself and learned that the best way to "manipulate women" is to actually just provide value to them.

[–]LazyMagus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I discovered BlackDragon thanks to you. The idea of alpha 2.0 and internal solutions over external solutions were important learnings.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

As a rule it is the nature of women to use men for protection, resources, and, in the case of her interaction with alpha-males, reproduction. This is due in large part to their physical vulnerabilities.

I know this isn't the point of your post, but I lost interest after reading that. Our physical aptitudes are NOT the only major factor /difference between the sexes.

I know I'm derailing your post, but come on. you're not giving men enough credit for how much we do and provide for women. Women want you to believe that the only difference between you and them is your muscles.. that's a ridiculous lie.

Women are incapable of building a working society/civilization on their own. They're incapable of sacrifice. They're incapable of self-less behavior. They're incapable of long range planning..or any planning really. They're incapable of saying no to their children..which results in stupid societal idiocies such elementary schools having to ban cell phones from the schools. They're incapable of independent thought: women need group think. I could go on and on, and

[–]DropBearHazard -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

I know you gotta allot of explaining and stuff but daymn I haven't seen a single post on this subreddit shorter than an essay

[–]rockmasterflex -1 points0 points  (1 child)

What happens in #3 when shes really hung up on whatever it is that she says and demands reactions from you though?

I mean in theory i know this is sound advice. In practice you can't just get up and walk away in every situation (or remove yourself from the situation).

Example: "Why didn't you put the pot in the dishwasher?"

You: Commence ignoring

Her: "Hello? It only would have taken you four seconds"

You: ignoring, continuing doing whatever you were doing

Her: "what the fuck? why aren't you answering me"

You can quickly see how this strategy just results in you having a bad time. How are you escaping this trap? Its not about holding frame, at that point its about being stuck in a loop where she knows you don't give a fuck but she personally gives so much of a fuck that she's about to literally insert herself between you and whatever you are doing, violently so if need be.

[–]noaydi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

this is full of BS. Beta have far more advantage in creating a blue pill from scratch and acting from it for getting women. Acting alpha like is sure way to be ridiculized.

In the history, alpha only lead in period of war, revolution and stuff like that. Napoleon, Churchill, Hitler, etc. No good and bad, just doing stuff surrounded by people saying to them they are as good as God. 20% of the societal history. Beta lead alpha at other times by some malicious strategy. They make passive aggressive war thought (USA).

you = envious losers. me = beta with distinction lol

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I find the 1 in 16 hard to believe (how many women did?)

I remember reading research that around 40% of men and around 80% of women procreated.