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LTRFriend goes on a large group trip overseas, watches as 90% of the girls cheat on their boyfriends (self.TheRedPill)

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I don't think there is any doubt left among us that if your SO decides to travel without you for an extended period of time that she should be plated or nexted. However, for those left that are still skeptical of this concept, or thinks what I'm saying is overly paranoid, please read carefully as I describe one of my good friends' recent Red Pill awakening.

For context: My friend Tom is a good looking, highly intelligent guy in graduate school studying geology.

Tom decided to sign up for a 5-week geology field course in Scotland this summer. The group of students in the field course comprised of about 20 guys and 17 girls. 10 out of the 17 girls had boyfriends.

After a long day of hiking and studying, the group would sleep in hostels or set up camp in the countryside, drinking and laughing around a game of cards or a campfire. On occasion, they'd even travel into Scotland's bigger cities for a night or two and enjoy the nightlife. It was really the time of his life, being able to travel in a foreign country while studying something he loved with people that shared a primary interest of his, drinking with them until the sun came up. But his time spent in Scotland was educational in more than just an academic way.

Tom is no idiot when it comes to girls but he vastly underestimated what alcohol+fun+isolation can do in combination when it comes to "unavailable" women. By week 3 of his trip, one-by-one, 9 out of the 10 girls with boyfriends had cheated.

The girl Tom hooked up with had a boyfriend of five years waiting for her back home. She proceeded to follow Tom around like a puppy for the remaining weeks, mate guarding and trying to convince him to be in a long-distance relationship with her when they returned to the states. Obviously, this was all done in an attempt to rationalize the fact that she just cheated on her boyfriend of five years. She wanted to be able to justify her actions, tell herself that she had met someone more special, that it was fate they had met halfway across the world and fell for each other. But alas, Tom did what every other guy on the trip did: pump and dump.

All those girls will go home to their boyfriends, bellies and vagina's filled with other men's cum, and lie to their faces about how mellow the trip was, explaining how much they missed them as they plant a kiss on their boyfriend's mouth with the same lips that were wrapped around a different dick just days before.

As horrible of a story as this is, I'm happy Tom was able to see this kind of thing for himself and be on the good side of things as "the other man". While he did walk away with some serious trust issues, hopefully, it will prevent him from being cucked in the future. This was a really harsh reminder that I know I needed as well.

TLDR; Friend goes on a 5-week trip overseas with a group of guys and 17 girls. 10 out of the 17 girls had boyfriends. 9/10 of the "unavailable" girls cheated on their boyfriends within 3 weeks. AWALT. If your SO wants to travel without you, let her. Then ghost.


[–]smallpenisweirdchode 383 points384 points  (95 children)

I work as a tour guide overseas. My tours range from 1-2 months, and I see this on an endless loop.

Every single tour I've run has had at least one girl cheat on her boyfriend. It's a statistical guarantee by this point.

The thing is, I have to add them all on social media for communication purposes, so I can see their boyfriends posting the classic "I love you, can't wait to see you in 2 weeks, babe!" on their Facebook walls. Those girls have straight up denied that they had any guy back home after taking home their third one-night stand of the week.

[–][deleted] 246 points247 points  (58 children)

after taking home their third one-night stand of the week.

I read this and I'm realizing how much sex the average girl can have if she wants to. It is virtually limitless for them. This is why, when dudes that get burned and improve their SMV and start slaying, they don't stop. It is simply their turn to experience sex as frequent as their counterparts.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 146 points147 points  (48 children)

You don't understand the way women approach sex. To women sex is a sum of it's larger parts. It's the story around it. That's why women love sex novels and don't love porn. To women tons of sex is meaningless (watch what they do not what the say) when it comes with constant dumping.

Women need that commitment and human connection. And they try for it with every single guy. In comparison, guy could probably get friendzoned by any girl out there but to us it's moot without the sex. You have to view these stories from a female point of view and not from your own.

To most average women every sexual encounter ends with quick or slow ghosting. No one sticks around, they are horrible at making friends. If they are slutting it up it usually means their families aren't that great either. A woman like this is mostly all alone. She might have allot of sex and meet allot of people but they all come and go. For guys it's different. We enjoy constant friendships throughout our lives exactly because we are the cheaper sex.

[–]Dynamaxion 16 points17 points  (7 children)

While what you say is obviously true by and large, there are some straight up horn dog women who fuck and chuck like alpha males. There are also, as many on this sub once were, feminine beta males who think of sex the womanly way.

For those women who treat sex like men and enjoy the one night stand... They're living it up. I've known one before, and if they're hot they can get literally whatever they want whenever they want. Orgy, celebrities, doesn't matter. Similar to how the super emotionally tuned, caring guy can usually get any girl into an LTR if they're hot.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 22 points23 points  (6 children)

there are some straight up horn dog women who fuck and chuck like alpha males.

First of all these aren't really women. They are as much a woman as a romantic emotional guy is a man. These women have physicall, hormonal and often mental difficiances that make them that way. The only reason why a woman would ever chuck a Chad is because she's trying to preemptively avoid further rejection. It's the biggest red flag ever. If a woman proudly proclaims she's a heartbreaker and dumps guys after ONS it means she's been so badly hurt that all she can do now is repeat her cycle of trauma and hurt others. It's the number one trait of B-type people and they should be put in the ground.

There are also, as many on this sub once were, feminine beta males who think of sex the womanly way.

Exactly you said it yourself. Those aren't really men and those women aren't really women. They are lost and degenerate and the more society is infested with them the worse things will be. Imagine these people having children.

Orgy, celebrities, doesn't matter. Similar to how the super emotionally tuned, caring guy can usually get any girl into an LTR if they're hot.

I think it's more about these women having deeply seethed issues. That or they were born with a masculine mindset and never wanted the romance. Just like some beta guys never want a hot fuck.

A healthy guy always wants the best fuckdoll he can have and have her the way he wants to. A healthy woman always wants the best mate that she can attract. Healthy women and healthy men create a symbiose where a healthy relationship is born. When a man isn't taking the sex and a woman isn't taking the commitment all you get is fucked up shit like orgies and cuck couples.

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    [–]1PantsonFire1234 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    The issue is that this goes against the plating/PUA culture where guys loudly proclaim girls are all the same and only want to bang. The very idea of suddenly viewing women as more than one dimensional creatures scares them. Because they got burned when they ones did so. The truth is that life is about subtlety found in simplicity.

    And that understanding women also requires you to understand men and how they work together. But I sure am glad to hear I am not the only one who tries to raise this point. We sure need more of that my friend.

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      [–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      It's great at describing simple problems and how to approach a situation with a woman. But it's absolutely horrible at helping you deal with the problems you will face afterward. That's why PUA artists like Mistery always kept having a though time with relationships and why most of TRP's field reports end up about plating.

      Granted, keeping women around longer than a nanosecond has been made very hard in todays world. If you do end up having a long relationship it's more often a result of luck than it is you having good game and her being very attracted to you.

      [–]anusbleach11111 35 points36 points  (17 children)

      To women sex is a sum of its larger part. It's the story around it. That's why women love sex novels and don't love porn.

      Valuable lesson here. This girl I was seeing didn't put out cause she kept saying "I want our first time to be special." This was after we hung out many times, only reason I didn't drop her by then was cause she was willing to blow me but was more reluctant with sex. I kept trying to escalate in my car and other public places. Perhaps she wanted a fancy hotel room? Idk I dropped her.

      Another time I took a girl out on a date and went for a kiss, and she said the same thing, "I want our first kiss to be special." That rubbed me the wrong way so the next day I told her it's not gonna work out. I'm just looking for pure raw sex man..

      [–]1PantsonFire1234 40 points41 points  (2 children)

      Perhaps she wanted a fancy hotel room? Idk I dropped her.

      That's the enigma. It's not something tangible like a fancy hotel room or candle lit dinner. It's the entire story that revolves around them. Women approach things from a sophilistic angle and put themselves in the center of the universe. That's why women say "it just has to feel right'. The guy has to be right, the moment has to be right and the story has to be right. Now every women deviates to a degree. Virgins are very picky and a town whore is pretty much almost a guy when it comes to sex.

      "I want our first kiss to be special." That rubbed me the wrong way so the next day I told her it's not gonna work out. I'm just looking for pure raw sex man..

      Honestly can mean two things. Either you are talking to a prude (low chance) or the girls are trying to BB you and string you along. It's up to you to pass those shit tests and prove you are AF. When they say special though they don't mean lots of effort, candle lit dinner etc. They just want you to be exciting, different. Making them feel as if they have a special guy. Making them feel special.

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        [–]1PantsonFire1234 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        The story becomes dull.

        You said it man. Perfect summary of what I tried to explain. Women want to feel swept up. Like they are the exciting lead in a movie. LTR's often end up in routine and routine is the death of excitement.

        [–]TryhardPantiesON 1 point2 points  (9 children)

        I kept trying to escalate in my car and other public places. Perhaps she wanted a fancy hotel room?

        Of course she wanted a fancy hotel room, women want to be sluts, but they don't want to feel or be seen as sluts. I am pretty sure in the privacy of a hotel room, she would have put up, if you would have just hang a bit longer.

        [–]ChanceTheEMT 36 points37 points  (7 children)

        My soon to be ex wife (thanks Red Pill!) pulled this shit for months when we were first dating. "No that leads to things" everytime I went for a kiss. She was 17 so I thought it was pure innocence and something real would develop. What a beta and regretful mindset. I fell hard into the trap. Turns out when we went on a "break" largely from my sexual frustration she ended up banging one of my "friends" the first night, and didn't confess to it for a year. I had no idea. In that meantime I had finally penetrated those walls, and later found out I was #7 or 8, or who knows, in her short 4 year sexual career. Turns out she had been a huge slut before and literally found a random guy to give a blowjob too because she wanted to try giving a blowjob to a stranger for the first time, yet I, the man wooing her with dates, hours of time, gifts, flowers, you name it, was getting NOTHING. The hamster is VERY REAL. Later in the relationship (before I ever knew about the first guy...) things got bad, and despite all my beta efforts with fancy hotels, trips, amusement parks, she forced us to leave early so she could go spend a night with her best friend. Long story short, she thought she was swinging branches on the hypergamous tree with a guy that had been trying to seduce her and talked a big game about having two houses by the lake and all this and that. Turns out he completely lied his ass off, she left with him for a week and came back. Of course she had put out on the first night. Briffault's law is very real, and when I showed my soon to be ex-wife all this her reaction was offense, though it's objectionably true to no fault. None of my past fun times, values, gifts, trips, love, and admiration meant jack shit by the end of a first night apart with another mans cum dripping out of her smelly used up vag, even when she says "you're the one".

        [–]Questionnaire7 32 points33 points  (2 children)

        I think its good im getting exposed to stories like this. But it prevents me from taking girls seriously and Im unable to develop feelings at this point. Red Pill is a double edged sword

        [–]ChanceTheEMT 15 points16 points  (1 child)

        It's not a double edged sword, it's truth. The last thing you want to do is a.) develop strong feelings b.) show them.

        While being trapped a woman will show reciprocity, and for awhile it may be real reciprocity, but it can, and will, turn into a show while she's lining up alphas or betas to swing to. It only takes one fight, a trip out of town, a few drinks at a bar, or someone substantially higher value for everything to turn to SHIT in an instant, even if you're doing everything "right" the bluepill way. BELIEVE that. Flowers, chocolates, out of love tturned into "you just want sex blah blah blah" you would not believe how true Briffault's law and the "light switch" theory is until you deeply live through it with the one you absolutely truly LOVE. Women simply do not love the same way, sorry, my failing marriage is but one of millions of stories that prove this, as does the OP's vacation story. See it every, single damn day.

        [–]Questionnaire7 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Its a double edged sword in that ignorance is bliss. I wouldnt look back for anything. TRP has freed me from a lot of issues. I wish I could turn on some of my friends watching their blue pill behavior.

        [–]NakedAndBehindYou 8 points9 points  (1 child)

        yet I, the man wooing her with dates, hours of time, gifts, flowers, you name it, was getting NOTHING

        This is basically why the anger phase in TRP exists. Each beta who comes to TRP soon realizes that women have been treating him unfairly for his whole life.

        [–]ChanceTheEMT 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        And it's on purpose to boot. While a beta may want to just get laid and have a single girlfriend, being beta means being trapped and trading all those efforts for nothing until you are suffiently groomed to be the life provider and deeply in the love trap. Yea, of course women treat men different depending on how you carry yourself. If you're a "good" man it's almost automatic that you will be groomed for commitment, and an effective tool for women is withholding sex...even if they have no moral opposition to a ONS, FWB, or hooking up with exes etc. Women can and will fuck around with alphas while trapping a beta.

        [–]jack_lonely_noworth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        And this is why I'm incel lol

        [–]anusbleach11111 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        I'm sure she would have, but fuck that shit she wasn't worth it.

        [–]Andrew54321 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Response: Oh didn't peg you to be down with that freaky shit.

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        [–]macaroon18 1 point2 points  (10 children)

        Well those girls having fun on holiday didnt need commitment did they, (or maybe the commitment level varys) agree on connection though. Its quite a taboo concept for alot of guys that women will have sex outside of a relationship.

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (9 children)

        Women will always look for a connection a.k.a. avenue for commitment. That doesn't mean they actually realistically want to enjoy your commitment. You could be talking to a girl from across the continent on WhatsApp and she'll try to. Women always love the chase and the fantasy of getting a guys commitment. But often times if the guy accepts and the situation isn't right reality sets in and the girl bounces. That's why long distance relationships and people with incompatible personalities don't work.

        They love the idea of having your commitment but once they have it they will only then find out if they really want to. Those girls on those vacations all entertained the fantasy off "what if this is my future boyfriend gosh" and the fantasy is either maintained through pump and dump or shattered if the guy says yes. Again one of those girls wanted to have a LTR across states. Imagine if OP's friend had accepted. She'd be fucking the guy over within no time.

        Always decide for yourself if a committed relationship is feasible. Never listen to the woman, they don't know what's good for anyone. At that moment they reeaaaaally want to. But the next they have to face the reality of actually committing. Sex is just a catalyst for all of this. And usually it's stays with sex, but that doesn't mean women don't entertain other thoughts.

        [–]macaroon18 0 points1 point  (8 children)

        They have a need to feel connection, same as us guys. The problem with the 'commitment' thing is a whole bunch of conditioning - a woman who enjoys sex outside of an established relationship is labelled as loose or slutty for example. Theres alot of BS and one size fits all doesnt work for everyone.

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (7 children)

        Well no, guys can always enjoy sex desperately from anything else. That's why a guy with a high N-count looks happy (not to high) and a girl with a high cock count looks miserably 1000cock stared dead. We can enjoy both the physical and the mental. Women can not they always intertwine both and reality starts to blur. It's why women get into guys and we wonder "what does she see in him?". While any guy with an ugly girl is just desperate, he doesn't see shit in her. Because men enjoy the physical and mental seperatly.

        a woman who enjoys sex outside of an established relationship is labelled as loose or slutty for example. Theres alot of BS and one size fits all doesnt work for everyone.

        I am not sure what you are saying here. A woman that enjoys sex outside an established relationship is lying about who she is, to her husband. Women can only be three things in life, a nun, a wife or a whore. Nowadays women try to be all three and this doesn't work.

        Relationships are K-type constructs for high competition ethnicities (animals) to deal with harsh environmental and social demands. Any woman or man who doesn't deal in this area is B-type in nature and core. Men can however both have K-type and R-type behavioral instincts. To pair bond and to have harem. Women on the other hand cannot. Women are either the wife that brings forth K-type men or she's the R-typer that shoots out disposable African babies. Low quality and low survivalist odds. Where K-type humans shoot for the moon and start to explore space the R-type human buys shitty trinkets, dances like a savage and avoids any confrontation. That's why sluts disgust men so much on a social level and why they were/are burned and stoned. They are the precursor of the end times.

        [–]macaroon18 1 point2 points  (6 children)

        ok, you raise a lot of points.

        On the K / R type thing I suppose it's a problem for women that on the one hand evolution wants them to mate with different men to have a broad selection of genes. On the other they are predisposed to find a male provider/nurturer type. So maybe this dichotomy is a source of hypergamy.

        Saying a woman can only be a nun, wife or whore sounds like buying into the feminist stereotype idea of the male viewpoint. Those are kind of archetypes. You might say about men we can be a soldier, worker, king or slave whatever. The reality is we are all a mixture of each.

        On this you failed to mention 'mother.' Seems like a pretty big thing to forget. For me to say my Mother was only a wife nun or slut just seems ridiculous.

        If by N-count you mean notch? I think this just plays to a brittle sense of male ego and entitlement. A man who has some success will feel good about himself in the short term while he's doing it but ultimately he will realise that he's looking to these 'notches' to fill the void inside himself which in reality can only be filled by HIM. I know guys who have had 1000 one night stands and these men all have major 'issues' or blocks in themselves around relationships, intimacy and life in general.

        We are told and sold the idea that a man should grab as much sex as he can - this in turn leads to those (high cock count women perhaps) being just drained by the experience of being with men who are not really able to connect with them any deeper than their penis.

        The commitment thing can take many forms. You/a woman could make a commitment to be someones lover / booty call for a short period of time just for fun and sex, if that makes a woman a slut then I'm fine with it.

        Sluts are great and nothing to be looked down upon. I think men in general have a lot of fear around a woman who is able to open up sexually. Male sexual pleasure in the most part is limited, female/feminine orgasm is infinite and unpredictable. We are quite nervous around the unknown and what we can't control.

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (5 children)

        On the K / R type thing I suppose it's a problem for women that on the one hand evolution wants them to mate with different men to have a broad selection of genes. On the other they are predisposed to find a male provider/nurturer type. So maybe this dichotomy is a source of hypergamy.

        Well to be more exact, women need the best possible genes. Not a broad selection, she can only get pregnant by one seed at a time. Women are however naturally wired to seek a newer and more fitter mate after they have procreated with the current one. Give or take 4 years of child rearing. I'm talking about R-type societies even. K-type are generally never stop rearing their children to a degree.

        Saying a woman can only be a nun, wife or whore sounds like buying into the feminist stereotype idea of the male viewpoint. Those are kind of archetypes. You might say about men we can be a soldier, worker, king or slave whatever. The reality is we are all a mixture of each

        Women can only fuck multiple men and be a woman of pleasure. Or she can be a nun out of some social pressured virtue. And finally she can be a wife. Which is sort of the middle ground. Where she can be both pleasurable and virtuous within balance. Find me another one I challenge you. And men are indeed exactly the same. You can be a provider, you can be a fucker or you can be a patriarchal husband. Now granted both men and women reside on a scale and no one is a slut or wife to the same degree. Neither as any man is alpha or beta to the same degree. But these remain the measures both men and women use for eachother.

        On this you failed to mention 'mother.' Seems like a pretty big thing to forget. For me to say my Mother was only a wife nun or slut just seems ridiculous.

        Your mother couldn't have been a nun because she had you, so that's ruled out. So she was either a wife and stayed true to your father and/or the boyfriends she had if it were few. Or she was a slut and she fucked multiple guys through her life and sits somewhere around 15/30+ N-count. There is no other way. Life ain't a magical fairy tale. Things are tangible and measurable, factual.

        If by N-count you mean notch? I think this just plays to a brittle sense of male ego and entitlement. A man who has some success will feel good about himself in the short term while he's doing it but ultimately he will realise that he's looking to these 'notches' to fill the void inside himself which in reality

        This can be very likely. But again ones reasons for having a high N-count is different from person to person. All we know that it defines some measure of success in a man, if it fulfills him or not. While it defines no success in women. In that sense there are guys who use their N-count to satisfy their egos but also guys who are genially attractive and charming, they just happen to get with allot of women. For one reason or another they don't believe in commitment yet. That's possible to. I also know sluts who just openly admit they are like a guy and love sex and never had the drive for a relationship. And I know girls who fantasize about relationships all the time but always get turned down. So they turn to strange dick to feel validated. I think you can point out those who are healthy in their motivation and those who are not.

        We are told and sold the idea that a man should grab as much sex as he can - this in turn leads to those (high cock count women perhaps) being just drained by the experience of being with men who are not really able to connect with them any deeper than their penis.

        Half true. Men have a double strategy to. We look to spread our seed as much as possible and also commit to one woman who's offspring we lord over and look to continue our lineage. Ideally men want 99% of the women in the world to be a slut to maximize their sex while only 1% is virtuous for commitment. We wan't women to be easy so we don't waste much time on them but the woman that is ours can't be easy. See the paradox? Women have the same thing going on. They want 99% of the male population to be beta and 1% to be alpha. Because this maximizes the commitment, attention and validation they get, since they control betas. It also assures her she has the absolute best of the best to impregnate her. Right now the world is a mess because society doesn't govern this sexual struggle between the sexes and it shows.

        The commitment thing can take many forms. You/a woman could make a commitment to be someones lover / booty call for a short period of time just for fun and sex, if that makes a woman a slut then I'm fine with it.

        Any girl that's just a booty call I have never felt an inkling of emotional attachment towards. That's not a relationship. I have a relationship with a girl when I am uplifted or amused at her presence. Enjoying her companionship and feeling satisfied i'm putting my time in someone who's worthwhile. Girls that are just a booty call are not even in the same universe when it comes to how men view them.

        Sluts are great and nothing to be looked down upon. I think men in general have a lot of fear around a woman who is able to open up sexually. Male sexual pleasure in the most part is limited, female/feminine orgasm is infinite and unpredictable. We are quite nervous around the unknown and what we can't control.

        No men just have a sexual strategy just like women have. Women don't feel a lot of fear around a man who is open emotionally, they just don't feel like having sex with them. Men don't feel fear around a sexually open woman. We just, absolutely never want to commit to her. Because committing to her endangers us to cucking. And cucking is genetic death. I seriously don't understand why people don't get this yet. If you are cucked your genes end with you, you are done for. So men have evolved to be repulsed by cucking. We love sluts for sex but we don't love sluts in any other fashion.

        [–]macaroon18 0 points1 point  (4 children)

        tbh I think referring to a woman as a slut is probably somewhere in the range of calling a black man the N word. Maybe it shouldn't have such negative connotations - and they are trying to 'reclaim' it.

        I don't like labelling people as one word as it's a reductive and fundamentalist viewpoint. On the gene thing, yes she wants the best genes but breadth comes in as a 'litter' with diverse selection has more chance to survive.

        Where she is on her cycle is relevant too, as depending on that she will choose more masculine testosterone men or the softer nurturing daddy type.

        But I think a lot of people miss the point about genetics. And geneticists and biologists have even come out and said this. Yes genes explain a lot about how we came to be the way we are - but the point is we are not trapped in some prison of genetic making.

        These are possibilities and inclinations, we have free will and should take the opportunity to fight that genetic heritage where it becomes restrictive.

        I feel a bit trolled by the nuns / sluts thing lol (which is only a framework of looking at the world which probably doesn't help men connect with women.)

        I accept this is in some place deep within male consciousness and also hints at the fear I mentioned - of female sexuality.

        Men fear they are not enough and women fear they are too much.

        We know how insignificant we can be in comparison to her capacity for desire and feeling. Match her or be dwarfed.

        Men are turning to porn because they can't get near a womans potential range in sex, connection and intimacy. And women themselves are walking around untapped unpotentiated - turned off - this used to be diagnosed as 'hysteria' now it's just called bitchiness

        [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        That's why women ... don't love porn

        sorry dude, you've been sold a bit of a lie here.

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        No man, women watch porn. But stories get them off more. That's why you have sexchat sites where girls ask to "RP" etc and why they read sex books. Porn is an addition to them, not a requirement.

        [–]lopsidedlucky 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        You made some good points but this one is wrong.

        If they are slutting it up it usually means their families aren't that great either.

        This is simply not true and is an unhealthy mindset bro. It's awalt pure and simple. All Women Are Like That. Good families, bad families, abuse, no abuse none of it change awalt.

        Lower class and damaged girls just don't hide it as well. Period.

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        All Women Are Like That. Good families, bad families, abuse, no abuse none of it change awalt.

        Taking this so literal will not help you understand the nuances. Women are like that. But you are claiming that abused women with daddy issues aren't bigger whores? Untrue.

        Lower class and damaged girls just don't hide it as well. Period.

        Where have you gotten this supposed knowledge. I think there's a difference between a problem riddled girl who doesn't respect herself and lets random guys fuck her brains out and a girl who tries to get with Chad. I've dated both types.

        [–]TheReformist94 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        I don't think tons of sex is meaningless.most girls have N=30. They evidently want as Much from as many partners

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        But they arrived at N=30 differently than say a man would. Men who have a notch count of above thirty probably got there because "these girls were hot and I wanted to bust a nut". That's mostly what goes on in our heads unless we feel something for a girl. Meanwhile every woman with a notch count that high got there thinking "oh my god I like this guy so much he's so hot".

        See the difference? We need release and they need connection. We bust a nut and they really really like a guy. I didn't really really really like a girl that I had a ONS with but she sure as hell liked me. I really really really really like my dick and that's why I used her to nut. For women this is entirely different.

        So they indeed want much from many partners. But the fact that they have a high notch count proves that they got very little from them in actuality.

        [–]DatingCoach111 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Can attest to this. An ex-girlfriend of mine has a very high sex drive. Said she didn't want a relationship, but ended up falling in love with me anyway. Later discovered she was fucking around behind my back. After I dropped her, she never stopped complaining how lonely she got from being single. It's not easy being a Chad, and it's not easy being a Chadette.

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        For girls who somewhat know they can't have Chad but still hamster together the rationale that fucking him is somehow a victory for them, for those girls it helps to have a steady boyfriend on tap and cheat behind his back. Although this has it's own drawback which they will be faced with.

        Another snippet of proof that women don't just view sex separately is the fact that plates break. Girls give up on you. It's in the side bar, it's been discussed numerous times. Now why would a plate break if sex is enough for her? Because it never is. It's part of a larger thing which are their feelz.

        [–]destraht 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        To women sex is a sum of its larger part. It's the story around it. That's why women love sex novels and don't love porn.

        After eating lunch with grandma today we went to the nearby used bookstore and the first two rows were smutty romance novels. You walk in and take a step and there you are. Apparently she reads them at an incredible rate.

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Most women read romance novels in one way or another. Some go on sexchat sites to RP and others read amature sex field reports. Men watch porn all the time because we need that visual stimulant. But to women it's not about how people look but how people are. What is his personality like? How did they meet? How did he charm her? Is he Alpha? What's his social status? All these questions are not answered in porn. Which leaves women with a big hole of untapped.

        They do watch porn but when they do it's usually when they already have a story in their mind and they project that story onto the porn clip.

        So for example a girl was at the bar with allot of friends (all male friends) and she's ovulating but all of them were beta and didn't take the opportunity. She returns home soaked and hammered thinking about how much fun she had being the only female center of attention at the bar. Her fantasies are now running wild about 'what if' and 'what could have happen' that night. She decides to browse for gangbang porn and projects her own scenario unto the scene. Which in reality is just a bunch of underplayed actors fucking a whore.

        Again guys would rarely do that. We do browse for specific porn if we saw some type of girl outside and got inspired. But we don't relate our lives and the story that revolves around it to a clip. Women have to, it's what creates the excitement.

        [–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 17 points18 points  (3 children)

        Sex is easy for a woman to get. As long as she isn't completely repulsive (even if she's ugly), there's some guy out there who will fuck her. She just needs to make herself available.

        The fatal error that women make is in assuming that a high partner count equates to high value. That's true for men, but not for themselves.

        [–]freakyllama 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        "True for men, but not for themselves"?

        [–]CQC3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        It means that for a man to have a high partner count is a truer estimate of his SMV than it is for a woman. Guys will fuck down a lot which is highly correlated to how convenient it is for them. Regardless, any man with a high partner count very likely has something going for him of worth. Women do not require much of anything beyond what they are born with to have access to sex.

        For women, access to sex is a given, it is the question whether they can get the type of man they want, not if they can get a man at all. For many guys coming up, it is first a question of if they can score at all--it's very possible as we know that if a man does nothing he can remain celibate for a VERY long time if he was not already born with various advantages. We're not even talking about an ugly dude, even average guys. If you do not provide some type of value, you do not fuck. Simple as that. So a man who fucks must by default be providing something even if it is just feelz and tingles.

        The issue then born is that women do not understand that there is a huge difference between guys that they can fuck and guys that they can keep AKA get commitment from.

        EDIT: just want to make a little side note about something I was pondering.

        Guys can also find themselves in weird spots where if they are not quite beta cucked enough to take on a provider role or get into the habit of being useful to women, yet they do not possess the ability to execute on alpha traits or behave in such a way...well those guys are the most loneliest of all. Not one or the other, not pussy whipped enough to be beta and not yet alpha in the slightest. Society will despise you, you will be alone and isolated.

        [–]ergh543eg43g34 1 points1 points [recovered]

        Even then they still can't compete with the average female. Let's face it, no woman dies a virgin willingly. But there are a large portion of men out there who actually will. It breaks my heart. Through junior high I was an untouchable because I had puppy fat and zits. In high school both left, and suddenly all the girls who mistreated me like I was a leper were selling their ovaries to get my attention. So I used and abused them and in parting made sure to remind them of the horrible shit they had said. They acted as though I was the monster for it. I enjoyed the fact in four years I almost fucked the entire year when before not one of them would even willingly talk to me.

        [–]TheReformist94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        And they say women have less sexual appetite for variety than men.

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 33 points34 points  (2 children)

        So do you think that it's just that all women cheat in that scenario or that the women who would cheat in that scenario go on solo vacations?

        I think that having a girl say she wants to travel alone is just girl speak for "I'm bored with you and I want to have fun without you" distilled to it's very essence.

        [–]1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v 16 points17 points  (1 child)

        1. AWALT
        2. Selection Bias

        My answer is both...

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 17 points18 points  (0 children)

        Probably. Girls who are heads over heels on some guy would very likely not want to be away from him. If they do want to be away from him they aren't crazy for the guy. Hence why they cheat.

        [–]awaken471 126 points127 points  (3 children)

        jesus christ, thank god I have better goals than women nowadays

        [–]afkb39sdfb 57 points58 points  (1 child)

        Same. Far more enriching and fulfilling things out there. Just fuck and chuck when you feel the need to.

        [–]saargrin 14 points15 points  (11 children)

        Your job sounds interesting.. How did you get into it?

        [–]smallpenisweirdchode 27 points28 points  (7 children)

        1. I had experience traveling.

        2. Due in no small part to the resources provided by this community, I've built up my charisma and social skills.

        3. I went on a tour with one of the big guns in the company as my tour guide. Total luck.

        All three factors played their part, but luck was huge. There was one spot that was made available just as my tour ended, and I had just happened to mention my interest in the job at the same time.

        It's a field where there's a lot of competition. I have at least 1-2 people ask me to get them a job per tour, and countless people that apply from home.

        We're a small enough company that we only hire people that have been on tour with us. We can't tell from some PDF resume if they're good with people, or whether they can handle going out without losing control. There are too many intangibles that can't be written down.

        For the most part, girls don't tend to do well in the tour guide position. If you've been following this sub for awhile, you can probably guess why.

        [–]imn0tg00d 19 points20 points  (0 children)

        I have a similar job to yours, and i work in a tourist city. It really is open season. Girls are never going to see any of these people again, so they're extremely forward with me. It's insane how easy it is.

        [–]thetotalpackage7 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        are you porking a lot of the "ladies" on the tour or is that verboten?

        [–]smallpenisweirdchode 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Technically against the rules, but it happens. Just have to be good at keeping it under wraps.

        [–]saargrin 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        awesome

        what kind of tours do you guys do?

        1-2 months sounds like a trekking adventure ...

        [–]smallpenisweirdchode 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Just tours of entire countries. Hit every town for a few days, do some activities, party every other night. Age range is around 18-24

        [–]saargrin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        That sounds awesome and expensive

        [–]ergh543eg43g34 1 points1 points [recovered]

        1. Fail at high school.
        2. Be mildly retarded with a drug or alcohol problem.
        3. Have no other life ambitions.

        You'd be better off getting a job flipping burgers, that could at least lead to franchise ownership. A tour guide is one of the lowest jobs on Earth, it's a zero skill job for people who aren't even capable of unskilled manual labor.

        [–]saargrin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        On 1-2 month tours? I doubt that

        [–]Wolveryn 1 points1 points [recovered]

        Haha you're not running contiki or something per chance? I remember the debauchery from the Contikis i've been on, as a single guy and a as a couple. The guys I chatted to running them were pumping a new bird each week.

        The fittest bird was on the trip, with a boyfriend, they claimed it was no barrier and they'd have bedded her by the end of the 2nd night.

        Sure enough, the deed was done by the 2 chefs, double teamed her.

        I wonder if that got back to her christian boyfriend... bahaha

        [–]Gorrillaman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        l

        That's not funny that's just gimpy behaviour

        [–]TheReformist94 15 points16 points  (6 children)

        I literally don't understand why TRP is against men in LTRs cheating. The stats are literally here.they don't give a fuck. Purely from an investment/economic standpoint,or protecting your emotional wellbeing,its nuts not to cheat to cushion the blow.

        And no,I'm not talking about about spinning plates, because men have a need for LTR/stability as well.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 23 points24 points  (2 children)

        Why cheat in an LTR if you can just spin plates and be open about it. I don't moralize so nothing against it but the alternative seems easier to me. I also get the position that your word is valuable and you should maintain that value.

        [–]ChanceTheEMT 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        I agree...and 10 times out 10 in a LTR a women can, and probably will cheat. I've been left holding the bag as the loyal partner just to be crushed and resentful as hell, I definitely understand the "cushion the blow" part. I am very adament if I had a FWB or a side chick I wouldn't have fallen into deep, dark, life threatening, jail time earning behavior. Falling in love to one woman can be a death sentence on her whim. NEVER AGAIN

        [–]whuttupfoo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Because you’re adding unneccesary drama to your life that way. Not only that, but you increase your anxiety by trying to cover it up and hide all the time. Be open with your LTR about banging other girls from get go, you will be surprised at how compliant they’d be with that.

        Moral of the story is, don’t lie, own that shit and bang other women because you’re free to live life the way you want to. Don’t hide like a bitch. It’s not cheating if she agrees to it.

        [–]TheBloodEagleX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Kinda odd to be the same kind of person we dislike about most women.

        [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Anyone who thinks the average girl has had less than 15 cocks in her by the time she is 22 is either ignorant or horribly deluded. Only ugly and fat girls have low counts like that, attractive girls get pumped and dumped more times than 15 in a year. But what do I know? I'm just an old guy who had been all over the world and is extremely observant.

        [–]Dragon_Garoo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Create a fake account, message them. lol

        [–]billmartin3491 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Hey dude, if this is the case then can I book a tour? ;)

        [–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        A month long tour? What the hell kind of tour is this?

        [–]WholeFoodsMale 133 points134 points  (38 children)

        Damn, it's so true. I studied abroad in the Czech Republic a few years back and just about half the girls in my program had boyfriends back in the states. Student hostels might as well be student brothels. Preppy girls from the east coast looking to get drunk and study (strange dick) for a semester. I feel bad for their cuckboys at home who think their girlfriends are drinking cappuccinos and appreciating the architecture.

        [–]Luckylancer96 59 points60 points  (34 children)

        Maybe boys fuck sluts back at home too.

        [–]Psychocist 108 points109 points  (32 children)

        Yep. We should really stop perpetuating this BS that men can do no wrong and are 100% honourable. If they had hotties staring them down all day, best believe they are seizing some of those opportunities regardless of their relationship status.

        [–]1htbf 71 points72 points  (2 children)

        Yep. We should really stop perpetuating this BS that men can do no wrong and are 100% honourable.

        A man is as faithful as his options.

        [–]Psychocist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        That's what I was looking for! :P

        [–]Rollo_Mayhem3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        not my man, he openly tells girls who are hitting on him he has a GF (now wife)...he intends to remain fully faithful and not even go to strip clubs or any other activity that she does not like or could ruin his marriage. I guess straight-up pure betas are 100% honorable.

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 22 points23 points  (10 children)

        It's not even remotely the same. The same would be if when the girl is cheating on her boyfriend abroad. The boyfriend starts a second relationship with another girl. That's what it would be like to them. They give sex, we give commitment.

        A guy fucking another girl next to his girlfriend is like a guys girlfriend friendzoning some dude and having him pay for icecream while the boyfriend is busy. You don't give a shit so long as you are confident she won't fall for him.

        [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        Most don't realize sex is different for men and women. Each sex has different needs/wants and views the act of giving sex differently. Good luck trying to explain this to most here though. For 90% here sex is sex.

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 30 points31 points  (0 children)

        Well guys instinctively know how bad it is when a woman cheats on them. That's why you see guys calling out the slut. Sharing truths etc. We might want to fuck sluts but we are repulsed about being emotional with them. This is easily avoidable when you are plating one. But when your girlfriends turns out to be one you feel cheated. Guys project this disgust on women and figure women feel the same when they cheat on a girl. But it's not.

        You can even flip this around and see how women are disgusted sexually when they shit test a guy into betaness. So when they like a guy they actually try to not come across as beta instead of being submissive. Lots of girls that liked me and I knew wanted me stubbornly kept their distance after a fight because they were afraid i'd be disgusted by their needyness. Again, people project.

        Another great example is how sometimes girls try to make a guy jealous with another guy as a last resort. They actually end up fucking the other guy and figure this will somehow spark their targets interest. Because they project and know that if the guy would fuck another girl, they'd want him even more. But they don't realize that in the eyes of a guy it doesn't work like that. Having your girl fuck another dude is like having a glass fall on the floor and break. You can glue it together but it will forever show you it's cracks. And yet again, women don't understand this because they project their own attractions onto guys. They don't realize it will disqualify them for life.

        [–]Dragon_Garoo 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        There was a great field report a while back, where a guy did exactly that - found a new partner. She came back from the long trip, and blew a gasket. "It was a mistake" "I didn't do anything" etc., etc., after saying she wanted to be free and have fun. He knew what was happening and just moved on. He held frame and just 'meh'. Men and women are different, to be sure.

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Nothing will kill them more than you getting on with another girl. You fucking another girl, not so much. But the reason why guys are confused with this is because most girls are so insecure that the very thought of you fucking another girl romantically threatens their source of commitment.

        But you will notice once she forgives you and acts like nothing happened, maybe she'll be distrustfull but she will like you as much if not more. But for men it's the opposite. Girl does that to a guy and he might be blue as balls. He will resent her forever. Can't reprogram the anti-cuck-defense.

        [–]Psychocist 1 point2 points  (5 children)

        Good point and important distinction.

        Having said that, it doesn't make a difference to my point. I was talking about honour. Let's not try rationalise that it's different because there are different degrees of honour.

        Under the right circumstances, men are not honourable, just as women aren't. We're all flawed people and almost every single one of us is ultimately selfish.

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (4 children)

        Well yes in other times fucking another woman would be undermining the pairbonding you made with your wife. Even though it's not the same as when she would be cheating. It's still something that can run against your code. Just remember that women have no code, neither does our culture nowadays.

        [–]Punanimaster30 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        I'm curious to know why do you think women have no code, what's your theory on that.

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Because men develop a 'code' because we learn to be judged for our personalities. A man's word has got to mean something, his reputation has to precede him. We create and live by our rules because it brings definition to the chaos of our world.

        Women are the chaos. Women aren't judged for their personality. And even though a womans reputation precedes her, every man will find a use for an attractive woman regardless of what she has done in the past.

        Men want to run a tight ship and so you will probably find men who could cheat, but won't cheat because they find it important to uphold their own rules. Women are children, they are winging it. They skippybal through life and take everyone unlucky enough with them.

        Women don't cheat for two reasons. For one out of fear, fear what you would do if you'd find out (this used to be stoning, burning, nowadays you just gotta walk away and make sure she knows you will) And second, women don't cheat because you are their best option. Either because they themselves don't have crazy many options left or you are just that good.

        [–]Punanimaster30 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        I do agree on most of the things you said, great observation btw. That's why a matriarchal society could never work, it's pure chaos and destruction. I do find that women have a tendency to be self destructive. Women can't be hermits, they'll go insane. That's why i don't believe in female leadership, often when they choose a female CEO, you can easily predict the downfall of a company.

        Many times i sit and wonder, how far does their thought development go, do they reach 18 and that's it? Because they do act like children but it's difficult to assess where they stop growing intellectually.

        Here is where we differ a little bit on the moral standpoint. I do think most men choose women on a how fuckable ratio they are but i find that to be very vain and foolish way to choose your mate. It is the reason i think that women are such whores. We men do not expect much of them anymore.

        But here is the thing on cheating, If you instill fear in them, it's a short term strategy. The thing is, she knows now that she needs to hide it in a way that you will never find out. A women who doesn't know how her man is going to react if she cheats, will be more sloppier in covering her tracks than a women who does know. Muslim women are very good at this. They are still getting killed in Arab Nations for being a adulterer. Did the fear stop them? Nope. And being the best option? Dude, life is going to throw you some curve balls, you know statistically it's impossible to be the best option all the time. Women are like milk, they do spoil but their attractiveness will last them until their 40 year. So the window of opportunity to find a better man from 18 to 40 is pretty big. So no guarantees there.

        I personally think the most powerful tool that can keep a woman from cheating is instilling values by her father when she is a little child. If from the get go her female hind brain doesn't have checks and balances that could cancel out slutty behavior, than you can forget it my friend. That's why fathers are so important for daughters, it's the only way they are going to get values instilled in them. And i'm talking about a strong father figure, not those weak weasels who let their daughter get fucked by any walking dick. That's why feminism is so destructive, it lets women without any restriction, to their detriment because they can't handle all that freedom.

        Let me know what you think, i want to know where did you get your wisdom about women.

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I do find that women have a tendency to be self destructive. Women can't be hermits, they'll go insane. That's why i don't believe in female leadership, often when they choose a female CEO, you can easily predict the downfall of a company.

        Everything I witnessed being ruined in my whole life either was caused by women, directly or indirectly. Or by very feminine men. Like you pointed out they create the whole downfall and it's predictable. And the problem comes from so many points in their psyche and it compounds into this final conclusion that women should just shut the fuck up and do chores. I fully agree with our ancestors.

        Many times i sit and wonder, how far does their thought development go, do they reach 18 and that's it? Because they do act like children but it's difficult to assess where they stop growing intellectually.

        We grew intellectually because it was a necessity to survive. To get women and to get along with other men, to compete. Women don't need to. Also men can increase their SMV. Safe for some make up, plastic surgery etc. Women can't. Women are max level at 18 years old and decline at 23 when younger women get to buy the expansion packs and they don't. In a way it's bitter sweet. You grow up as a guy and every girl prefers the guy thats older than you. But around your 30s the whole thing reverses for you, but it's actually the same phenomenon. Only now you are on the inside looking out, instead of the outside looking in. The younger girls who are turning 18 are yours to have. And the women who once were 18 and are now 30 just like you, they are suddenly not wanted. Nature is beautiful in that way, where it manages to create balance from chaos.

        It is the reason i think that women are such whores. We men do not expect much of them anymore.

        Well no unexperienced man could fathom how women truly are because he is never exposed to it. He either doesn't have a girlfriend that could cuck and cheat on him. Or he never has sex with the ones that cheat. So all he sees is this low threat human who pretends to be nice. Unaware that he's being played. The way red pilled/experienced men select their women and blue pilled men are night and day. Also generally the men who would only pick a woman based on looks, are the men women don't really want.

        But here is the thing on cheating, If you instill fear in them, it's a short term strategy. The thing is, she knows now that she needs to hide it in a way that you will never find out.

        I dunno man i just tell them that I will even break up with them if I have a suspicion. I don't even need proof, if I feel bad about something im gone. They cry that this is unfair and I tell them it's their job that things don't become weird. Also its still rather easy to notice but yes. There are tons of ways where you will never find out. So again, I don't tell them I will break it off if I catch them. I tell them I will break up if they behave weird for just as much as a second. And tbh I really couldn't care less, if I'm not at ease with a woman then she's clearly not the type to commit to anyway. Cheater or no cheater. I've had girls where I just didn't have this for a while. The moment I do I break it off.

        A women who doesn't know how her man is going to react if she cheats, will be more sloppier in covering her tracks than a women who does know.

        I get your logic and that's a good one. Though I find it only fair to tell a girl whom I believe is decent, what will happen if she strays off. Women who aren't decent I either will just not commit or I just enter a fake relationship. And again, because I make it clear I will break it off based on suspicion and not proof. She now has that bug up her head all the time, it's major dread. She could be cheating for all you know but if she is she's radio silent for at least the duration of the fuck. And if she's cheating through text messages or irl flirtations that also leaves a 'fingerprint' so to speak. Now it's easy to make up an excuse but in her mind all she thinks is "fuck im awol for 2 hours, if he gets suspicious im done'. That and a woman who wants to cheat will cheat because she's not happy with you. If a girl is really happy with you then the odds are much lower.

        They are still getting killed in Arab Nations for being a adulterer.

        Sure but not by the heaps of them. Just a couple extreme cases. I agree on AWALT but it's not that clear cut.

        Dude, life is going to throw you some curve balls, you know statistically it's impossible to be the best option all the time.

        Again agreed, but generally you should be the best option that commits to her. And if you are playing a great game you are committing to a girl while playing 2 leagues ahead of her. All her options are nothing compared to you. But yes she could fuck any guy and odds are some are better or atleast different. But if she does that I hope she enoys being single and ending up with a cuck. It's really easy for women, ride or die.

        So the window of opportunity to find a better man from 18 to 40 is pretty big. So no guarantees there.

        Again, only for a fuck. Women are pretty much done finding that tripple A guy around the age of 25. Once in their 30s women can't compete in the dating market. But you have to remember that it's a commitment game. Women can fuck easily and most guys will say yes. I'll fuck some 6 any day off the weak, cucking her shitty boyfriend. But i'll never commit to her. So again he might be out of luck here. But if he just breaks up with her and finds a better girl she's out of a boyfriend, all alone, women hate being alone. And she never had a chance with me. That's why you always have to walk when a woman cheats.

        Bottom line is, I've never seen a woman cheat with a guy that was much better and actually end up getting the guy. Only if the boyfriend was very low smv or took a smv drop. You really have to view sex and commitment separately. I mean say you have a girlfriend, she's a 6. She could fuck a guy that's 10 but you're an 8. But you could get friendzoned with a girl that's a 10. The reverse is impossible, good luck fucking a girl that's a 10. And she will never have a guy that's a 10 commit that much attention/time to her.

        I personally think the most powerful tool that can keep a woman from cheating is instilling values by her father when she is a little child.

        Obviously, I mean without a strong family unit a woman is nothing but an emotional wrecking ball. It is though controlled by many factors. And there are women out there who are somewhat decent or even great. And they won't cheat until they are very unhappy. Another thing you should accept is that every relationship loses it's spark around 3-4 years. Thats the moment she will find an excuse to cheat. But this is normal, it's biology telling you both to mate with new people and stop popping out the same dna clone babies. It sucks when it comes to the bond you formed, but remember that the way you view that bond and the way she does is different. Women view bonds based on return investment. While men view bonds based on investments made. That's why women seem so attached to you in the beginning while to you, she's just some hoe. But at the end she's your prized angel and you are just this boring dude. Somewhere in the middle you meat like that movie the Curious Case of Benjamin button where Brad Pitt ages in reverse, and you both care about eachother equally, but this is short lived. And again nature shows you the natural law of balance. Women who cheat before that have mental issues, past issues and generally either don't respect you, themselves or have weird life expectations. It's always either your fault or the girls fault, or both.

        So yes women are a loose cannon, they can hide shit from you, they can cheat on you, fuck you over. But you can do a whole lot to combat this. And you can live by your own values, drawing a line in the sand and saying that you don't accept that above all else. Modern times take a very new approach though and you will have to figure that out. How you communicate to your woman that you take zero shit. No 3 strike rules or whatever. You need to hold your finger over the nuclear bottom 24/7 and when she starts firing nuclear tests. You glass the fuck out of her North Korean ass right away. No mercy, and it has to be like this. It must be cruel but if you don't she'll have her own nuclear arsenal within a year.

        This is something women are asking for. In order for nature to be balanced. Women are being extremely hypergamous. This forces us men to be extremely patriarchal. One fuck up and you're out, done.

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          [–]Psychocist 10 points11 points  (14 children)

          That's a horny man doing what he was born to do and spreading his seed.

          To be fair, it was an extremity to make a point. The only reason men are loyal/monogamous is because of their lack of abundance or abundance mindset. As another comment mentioned on this page, look at what happens when we finally get to a place of abundance.

          you need to work on your impulse control

          That doesn't really matter, point still stands. We could say women need to work on their impulse control. Doesn't change the reality.

          Just because we can, doesn't mean we should. What is the problem with open polygamy, especially in a time of safe sex and birth control?

          [–]samenrofringslikeLBJ 1 points1 points [recovered]

          Polygamist societes, apart from the obvious perversion and moral depravity, are more violent societies. Because polygamy is the rule of the alpha, 90% of males won't get any pussy if the alpha can lock up all the women. Monogamy is the civilized compromise that lets every male dip, and in return societal aggressiveness is lowered.

          [–]Psychocist 0 points1 point  (5 children)

          Perhaps I'm thinking of something else.. an open sexual society on both ends. Not sure the term for that. Similar to Brave New World. Of course, that has its own complications (raising children, for one).

          Any suggested reading material to dig further into this?

          [–]Dynamaxion 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          The term is polyamory. Polygamy, while technically could describe both ends, has the cultural connotation of one alpha male marrying all the women. It also only means marriage.

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            [–]Psychocist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I've already got it, but not read it yet. Interesting comment! I'll get on it. Appreciate the suggestion.

            [–]an_actual_cuck 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            apart from the obvious perversion and moral depravity

            Lol, you dudes sound more and more like actual fascists every day.

            [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

            5 upvotes for equating free thinking with facism, I think you are in the least fascist space imaginable and why TRP is such a great forum. On the merits of your argument: you are uneducated as to both the meaning of the word perversion as well as general biology and history. The monogamous bond of male to female implies natures version of a win win, she found her alpha, he was chosen as worthy. Just look at the weird fuckos that practice polygamy, they are disgusting degenerates. There is a gray area in between, sort of like James Bond, that is positively not polygamy as he is serially monogamous, thats totally fine too but research suggests a man needs a family to be happy just like a woman needs a family.

            [–]Dynamaxion 4 points5 points  (3 children)

            look at what happens when we finally get to a place of abundance.

            I mean, I definitely don't run around fucking everything I can. I have better shit to do and worry about. I was only a man-whore temporarily for the ego boost as a way of making up for all the years as a loser. Nowadays I just try to be more social, get to know people, and enough sex comes along anyway naturally because you come off as genuine and fun. Sure I could get laid 10x more actively seeking it but it doesn't appeal as much because my ego doesn't ride on it anymore.

            [–]Psychocist 5 points6 points  (2 children)

            I think that's what has started to happen to me over the last couple of years, thankfully. The [over]exposure to pussy helps greatly in taking it (and sex) off the pedestal. That's allowed me to relax significantly about this whole thing and actually start having fun and focus on stuff that actually matters - mission, lifestyle, health.

            But my point was about loyalty/monogamy. Can you see yourself, in your position of abundance, first, even being in an LTR, but then staying in a LTR and only having sex with one woman for the rest of your life? If not, the only alternative is multiple partners. My argument is that the way men go about that is just as deceptive (and lacking honour) as the way women go about it.

            Hence, men are not infallible as some of these comments keep spreading.

            [–]Dynamaxion 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            Can you see yourself, in your position of abundance, only having sex with one woman for the rest of your life?

            The only reason would be if I got super lazy or became so much of a workaholic that I just straight up didn't have time/energy to game anymore, so you settle for one so that you can keep fucking and have a companion with less daily seduction effort. Although in the workaholic scenario I'd theoretically have enough $ to just plate sugar babies.

            My ideal situation is to have an LTR where we screw other people/couples together (key point) on occasion or even enter a quad relationship with another couple. But I know that's not typical for the guys on this sub.

            [–]jm51 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Can confirm. In my early 20s, I and every other guy at the resort were surrounded by pussy. Some of the guys, including me, got bored with one nighters and got into a ltr. We still had side pussy though. Only once or twice a month, so that doesn't count.

            [–]2dogsandpizza 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Maybe, but we all know the chances of that happening don't we.

            [–]1PantsonFire1234 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            It should be noted that whenever women chose to get away from their boyfriends for a prolonged period of time. That usually means they want to get on with new dick.

            [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            cuckboys at home who think their girlfriends are drinking cappuccinos and appreciating the architecture

            LMAO...it's delusional to think so.

            [–]LOST_TALE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            It's so funny reading these comments

            [–]0signal0 113 points114 points  (17 children)

            I remember times where I used to envy the guys who had very pretty girlfriends, but for some reason all of these girls enjoyed going on vacation without their boyfriends and would take their female friends with them instead.

            I am glad I know better, though I can't deny that the reality has rendered me bitter.

            [–][deleted] 61 points62 points  (8 children)

            Bluepill conditioning really is cruel. Cheating is one thing, but being conditioned to trust these hypergamous cunts unconditionally crosses the fucking line.

            [–]Psychocist 101 points102 points  (6 children)

            hypergamous cunts

            Careful. Channel that anger towards yourself, not them. Use it to improve yourself. You're still allowing their actions to affect your mood.

            [–]Pragmaticpandas 37 points38 points  (3 children)

            It's really been good to see more comments like this on TRP lately. Anger is a poisonous emotion when directed towards women in this context.

            I've done much better for myself by simply not caring. Once you've decided to not be BB for the rest of your life, you're not looking for women to behave well, and so you won't get angry when they whore around. Actually, this hypergamy tends to work in your favor.

            [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

            This is EXACTLY why it's time for me (and probably others, who have internalized trp) to take a break from trp. The law of diminishing returns applies massively in this case. Sure, I've improved many areas of my life, but my emotional intelligence with women has taken a hit, if only due to the constant reminder of hypergamy/slut behaviour always keeping me on guard around them.

            [–]Dynamaxion 16 points17 points  (1 child)

            Fuck yes. I think this sub is good for incel guys just getting off the ground. But once you have the skills required to reliably seduce women you target it's good to get this shit out of your head and just be who you want to be.

            This sub constantly tells men how they have to behave. You have to be possessive and uncaring and (figuratively speaking) slap your bitch around if she screws other guys. As someone who prefers open relationships but not one night stands, I really couldn't give a shit. To this sub I'm a cuck, but for me there's nothing more beta than giving up what you want and who you are to conform to the culture of some subreddit. To me, being bitter/angry/possessive towards women is often a sign you're getting revenge and are still butthurt about all the years Chad was swimming in it while you were dry.

            [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            "To me nothing is more beta than giving up what you want or changing who you are to fit into a culture."

            This.

            It wasn't until I read 'The subtle art of not giving a fuck' and 'Models' by mark Manson that this truly sunk in for me. The pinnacle of alpha is allowing your true self to influence your principles, then let your principles govern your actions. Any copycat mentality really is the essence of beta and slavery alike. Trp is not separate from this in any sense.

            As long as you arm yourself with knowledge and don't hamster any of it away, any actions you take or perspectives you hold, are yours. All you have to do is accept the responsibility of outcome.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Certainly. Whenever anyone mentions how women have generally become 'less' than what we want I always remember that men are the natural leaders of any society. It is man's fault for steering Western society in this direction through lack of leadership.

            [–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            It's very satanistic indeed. But I think a large portion of society is catching on in terms of memes etc. Remember that there has never been such a cunty generation of women as there are now. The women who are 30 years old now never experienced Tinder in their prime, sexual hook up culture etc. The girls who are doing all of this now will give off lasting impressions on guys and when they near the finish line of the wall. Every guy will think the worst of them.

            You watch and observe as the next generations of women implode completely. They can only be so hypergamous until it becomes noticeable. When it does men check out.

            There's actually an ingenious safety net installed within this sexual symbiose between men and women. Men need sex but don't generally need commitment whilst women do. Women can play the game of AF/BB but only until they are 30. At that moment they crash. But men can continue to date and get with younger girls.

            This means that when a generation of women hits the wall they are reliant on men to give them what they still want, commitment. But men are not reliant on women at this point in their lives if ever. Which means the old washed up slut gets overruled by a younger girl who's willing to provide the same and better.

            So what you will get is women finding out that live sucks after 30 and men find that they can keep playing the game. Female happiness takes a nose dive and male satisfaction equalizes. This leaves women to either shape up or get even more suicidal.

            [–]biggerbetterjobs 11 points12 points  (0 children)

            I am glad I know better, though I can't deny that the reality has rendered me bitter.

            The bitterness fades with time and you begin to tolerate female behavior the way one tolerates a storm ravaging their personal property. It merely becomes a matter-of-fact expectation and you do your best to insure damage is kept to a minimum based on previous experiences.

            No matter how shitty or good the chick is; 99.9% of the romantic relationships you build will be temporary. Most women are emotionally more fragile than men so they're more likely to branch swing to satiate their need for human companionship and possibly resources depending on the girl's personality.

            So man is now awakened to female human's animal nature. What does man do? Sit, sulk, and lament over this harsh reality? Or does man solve this problem for himself? Boys do the former until they attain self-discovery and progress toward becoming a man. At which point, they take the latter approach.

            A boy becomes a man and says "to hell with what others think about me or have to say" and does what's best for himself and what makes him happy. Man lifts, seeks out education to cultivate his mind and problem solving abilities, learns to become self-sufficient etc..

            The outcome is simply a man that women do not want to leave. He is a patriarch. He is physically fit/toned, has amassed a reputation of accomplishing valiant deeds and achievements, has a far superior intellect, and is a voice of reason, leadership and rational judgement. Things which woman desires for her own good.

            Think of the classic epoch The Odyssey. Odysseus is the poster man of the quintessential Western culture alpha male. Wise, a strong warrior, the head of a house, was lost at sea after fighting battles tooth and nail with his comrades and losing them all to merciless death... And he still returned home. And his wife Penelope stayed chaste for him since no suitors could outdo Odysseus in any accomplishment. Upon his return to Ithaca, him and his son Telemachus slay all of the suitors with their superior fighting abilities. Homer even makes remarks about Penelope feeling lust seeing Odysseus' body covered in blood after slaying the rogue suitors who occupied his house during his absence from Ithaca.

            But the important part of this is.. The only reason Penelope did not remarry is because none of the suitors could prove superior to Odysseus. At the end of the day, he remains the king of the mountain and keeps the girl.

            So if you're with a girl, you must be her alpha male to retain her chastity. She has to see you as superior where she is blessed with your leadership and companionship, not you being blessed by having a piece of arm candy. You're an alpha male you can have any arm candy you want.

            Surely one will never be a pinnacle alpha in every avenue imaginable, but one can maintain a certain status in a girl's eyes. Your girl isn't going to be regularly approached by guys on the tier of Dwayne Johnson or Ryan Gossling, but surely you can maintain a lifestyle where you're above the average (even those above average) drunk horny 20 something trying to pick up chicks at a bar.

            Play with fire get burnt. Date a hot chick and have respect for the complications that will come with dating a hot chick. Always submit to the omnipotent power of the natural world and accept it for what it is and you will be granted the wisdom to navigate it.

            I highly suggest reading The Iliad and The Odyssey. It's chock full of red pill truths and timeless wisdom.

            [–]spinalmemes 4 points5 points  (6 children)

            My girlfriend tried to go on this vacation with her slutty ass friend last month. "Oh we are just going to Denver for a week cuz i havent seen her in so long". Bullshit. I told her if she decides to go the relationship is fucking done and im not ok with bullshit like that. She didnt go.

            [–]0signal0 0 points1 point  (5 children)

            her slutty ass friend

            Got some bad newz...A LTR-worthy girl has no slutty girlfriends.

            [–]spinalmemes 1 point2 points  (4 children)

            Thats only bad news if youre in a LTR

            [–]0signal0 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

            Either way you're being cucked as we speak.

            [–]spinalmemes 4 points5 points  (2 children)

            Yeah man. Slammin vag every night with no effort. Super cucked.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            You can do that without a LTR...besides slamming new strange is much better then old strange. Lets be honest.

            [–]Wissenschaft85 122 points123 points  (81 children)

            Who was that one girl who didn't cheat? Give her an award. lol

            [–][deleted] 193 points194 points  (75 children)

            I'd hold off until after her next trip.

            [–]jackandjill22 35 points36 points  (74 children)

            This is weird because I'm in an opposite scenario where a girl & I aren't exclusive but she wants to travel with me. We're sharing a room. I don't understand though. She doesn't even hint that she wants things to be "locked down" but she does "attach herself" to me.

            What does this mean?

            [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 187 points188 points  (55 children)

            You're a plate. Enjoy your turn.

            [–]jackandjill22 19 points20 points  (49 children)

            • I need more details than this.

            We both model(met her on a bikini shoot). She's been latching onto me because of my influence. For all indications, she respects & admires me. When she does wrong she expects me to get mad, & makes it up. She doesn't go a day without texting me & when we first met(2 weeks ago) girl was blowing up my phone. Responds to KINO, no rejections. She escalates.

            • But she still keeps me at arms length. That's the part that doesn't make any sense to me. She treats me like she wants an LTR. But doesn't commit.

            Like she on Sunday I was invited to a lingerie party after a shoot. She was literally blowing my phone upset she couldn't come as my guest with me. But then other days, 1 word texts. Like WTF.

            My SMV is significantly higher than hers. So, there's that.

            [–]AwakenedSovereign 82 points83 points  (24 children)

            Bet your ego likes little miss priss riding your dick, eh?

            But she's getting something out of it too. This is all transactional (always is too). And that's ok, bro. Just realize:

            She treats me like she wants an LTR.

            She treats you like this because she is reading that as what you want. She is in 'act like the girl he wants' mode. Good place to have a girl, but keep your fucking head and don't take her seriously. Ever. Make sure you kick her dog next Tuesday and randomly ignore most of her daily texting bullshit.

            Oh and spin more plates

            [–]Urishima 19 points20 points  (4 children)

            Make sure you kick her dog next Tuesday

            Oi, the pup did nothing wrong. Ok, maybe he shat in your shoes, but that is unrelated.

            [–]jackandjill22 6 points7 points  (3 children)

            She has a little brother. I'll screw with him.

            [–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (2 children)

            Even better, screw him. Then screw her mom and dad. Show her her whole family is just a cheap set of plates from IKEA you don't care about dropping. Then kick the dog.

            [–]jackandjill22 10 points11 points  (0 children)

            This is why I love this forum/community. 😂👌

            [–]1PantsonFire1234 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            One day she's writing crazy full length texts and the next day she's sending 1 word replies? Doesn't sound like a girl that's just playing and acting. All of this sounds as if she's trying to manipulate him into something. Which implies there's something she wants from him.

            [–]jackandjill22 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            I have more plates. She knows it. Girls toss themselves my way, she's fully aware of this.

            Okay. I'll stay sober. Hold frame.

            Thank you.

            [–]jackandjill22 -5 points-4 points  (12 children)

            I really like your advice. What's transactional? I'm not doing anything though. Like I don't pay for shit, she'll drive to see me. I'm just being me. What's she after?

            [–]2Overkillengine 13 points14 points  (11 children)

            What's transactional? I'm not doing anything though. Like I don't pay for shit

            All men pay for sex, the only difference is the currency and whether you are getting a good deal or not.

            [–]jackandjill22 -1 points0 points  (10 children)

            That's a good point. I guess I'm just trying to figure out what the currency is I suppose. I don't like being blind-sighted. Intentions/motivations are important.

            [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (8 children)

            You've already said it. "She's latching on to me because of my influence."

            I am a model as well and here is what you need to know about EVERY girl in the industry. The are vain and have extremely high egos. They are attention seeking. While she is probably still attracted to you, your currency is that you could boost her workload, popularity in the scene you are in, instagram followers, whatever. Models are hot but they are cheap and easy to figure out. You can't expect anything too real from them. Just enjoy it while it lasts and don't become BB.

            [–]Mr-Ed209 25 points26 points  (11 children)

            If you want her as a LTR you just have to be patient and remain non needy. The fact that she was blowing up your phone while you attended a lingerie party shows she's nervous that you might switch her for a better woman.

            Every time you feel like you're doing something 'correctly/BP' (offering commitment, giving her your time) she backs away. It's in a girls nature to do this..

            Women aren't us. They look for different things in a mate. Where we as men like women who are young, loyal/obedient and offer affection (qualities of a good mother). Women want men who value their 'purpose' job, resources and social status above them (qualities of a good provider/father).

            If you can approach things in that manner it will make sense. 2 weeks is way too soon to be entering a LTR. You barely know each other. Chill out, carry on going about your priorities. In 2 months she will start giving you the 'sooo like what are we...?'

            [–]jackandjill22 4 points5 points  (10 children)

            Yea, you're right she's Love-bombing though. She's literally just dropped "I love you" tonight.

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              [–]1PantsonFire1234 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              It's all one big manipulation ploy in the eyes of the BPD and NPD. Lovebombing etc. All done to appease the male ego. Their goal usually is comfort, attention and validation. But they also can't be alone, they need a man more than normal girls do. Either way, he's being manipulated. That's what the withdrawals off attention are for.

              I have two very good examples of this with two different girls in two different time periods. The first girl I was very young and somewhat inexperienced, normal SMV. She withdrew attention in order to get me hooked back in. In all probability she tried to get with another guy one last time, he dumped her and she came back to me. Scared I would leave her to she started to play push/pull and everything became a game. When we inevitably broke it off she also withdrew attention but this time it was done to get rid of me. It had no other goal but to be as nasty and vile towards me so that we would get into a fight and break it off.

              Equally the other girl I met many years later. My SMV was very high and I had enough experience. This girl tried all the techniques but none worked. Everything was done in an attempt to get me hooked. Shit tests, attention, sex, hot pictures, compliments and inevitably triangulation. But all of it was done in an attempt to keep me around. She never wanted me gone.

              [–]jackandjill22 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              Exactly. Not only that. There's also, the charm which is exercised as "Plausible deniability" whenever she does something that seems off/bad behavior, she'll fall back on "I wouldn't do that to you I like you". The old Superficial charm.

              • I wasn't born yesterday. I'm no Dumbass.

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                [–]Mr-Ed209 2 points3 points  (4 children)

                If she starts putting on too strong you can talk it out with her. Talking actually works when it's done from your frame and position of power.

                Just tell her you like where things are going but you don't want to rush things.

                If she can't handle that like a reasonable human being then it might be best to move on.

                [–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                Kk thanks. I'll be mindful of all of this. Thanks again.

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                    [–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                    Why, I have other girls I talk to. She just attempts to monopolize my attention.

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                      [–]jackandjill22 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      I understand why you'd say that. But it's more about being vigilant. Mixed-messages. Hot-cold signals. These are red-flags that I'm attentive to. I'm not about to let a clusterfuck of a situation sneak up on me just because I was over-confidant/detached.

                      [–]iamyeezusalmighty 7 points8 points  (3 children)

                      Idk why you're so confused by her actions they seem perfectly normal to me. If you met her in any other social interaction other than a one night stand, and ended up fucking, girls act like this to justify to themselves they are not a whore. Girls are literally on their phones 24/7, just because she texted you a few hours in a row doesn't mean she wants something from you. Just means you have her attention for now

                      [–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                      You're right. She is always "finger-fucking" her phone. But I'm talking literal moments after we parted company within the first days she met me I had to silence the bitch because it was ringing off the hook. She was texting me so much my friend knew who was "pinging" my phone without seeing it.

                      Just means you have her attention for now

                      What's your experience on this? Do your plates exhibit similar behaviors?

                      [–]iamyeezusalmighty 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      Most of my plates do this, which is why I put my phone on silence as well. There are a few nymphos that will just go straight to the point and not text me constantly, though. These girls don't care about being labeled a whore though, they embrace it

                      [–]jackandjill22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      What's a normal frequency in your opinion? Of contact form yours plates? Can you tell what's up by how often they're texting?

                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      Ayy, if she had dicks in her before you, don't invest emotional energy in her.

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                        [–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                        Girls can't plate any more so than a guy can friendzone a girl. Think about it. If you say, friendzone some girl, you are essentially friendzoning yourself. Because you lose valuable time and attention on a girl you aren't even gonna fuck and she gets to enjoy your attention for free. Same thing holds true for women. Women can't plate guys. She will just end up plating herself, selling her goods for zip while she could get a high value guy/Chad to commit.

                        I can't believe that a TRP endorsed commenter makes such a fundamentally incorrect statement.

                        [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                        You are absolutely wrong. Guys can friend zone a girl and girls can plate guys. She can be both a plate and have a guy for a plate although that does not appear to be the case here. As I say, he is the plate.

                        [–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                        You are absolutely wrong.

                        This is not an argument

                        Guys can friend zone a girl and girls can plate guys.

                        Neither is this

                        She can be both a plate and have a guy for a plate although that does not appear to be the case here. As I say, he is the plate.

                        You've just written down an entire comment with no solid argumentation or explanation beyond "it is so because it is so". As I have just explained, men and women deal in different currency. Men give commitment and women give sex. It's very simple actually. A man cannot spend his commitment for a girls commitment without friendzoning himself. And a woman cannot spend her sex for a guys sex without plating herself. Because they are spending their primary currency.

                        Guys that plate girls spend almost no commitment currency and get sex in return (great deal). Girls that friend zone guys spend almost no sexual currency and get commitment in return (another great deal).

                        What you are suggesting is that men and women are the same. Deal in the same currency. Have the same desires in life and that they have identical brain processes. Which couldn't be further from the truth.

                        Any guy who proclaims that he is friend zoning girls is doing himself a great disservice because he's losing out on time spent on girls who are actually sexually interested, his prime prerogative. The same holds true for girls but since you aren't a girl it's perhaps harder to understand. If you however believe that friend zoning a girl is to your benefit I would recommend you retake the red pill. It has been clearly stated over and over again that having girls as 'just friends' is the most moronic thing you can do as a guy.

                        [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                        There have been several threads by EC's about the advantages of friend zoning a girl although what you say is generally true. Being in the friend zone when you want to smash is a bad place to be. However, where there is no sexual attraction or intentions it can be useful for preselection, social contacts etc.

                        guys that plate girls spend almost no commitment currency and get sex in return

                        Are you seriously claiming that girls don't spend little commitment currency on some men so they can have sex?

                        I dare say most girls in the 20 something age range have plates they are spinning. You are right they eventually demand commitment and you are right that boys and girls are very different in the consequences of spinning plates but it is not correct to say girls don't like sex or don't pursue sex for the sake of sex- at least they try but again, you are right, often the fee fees eventually get in the way.

                        [–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        There have been several threads by EC's about the advantages of friend zoning a girl

                        I read tons of post so I must have either missed them or dismissed them. However I am always open to having my points of view challenged and tested. Up till now however you haven't given me any solid points. If you remember what those advantages were I'd like to hear them.

                        Being in the friend zone when you want to smash is a bad place to be. However, where there is no sexual attraction or intentions it can be useful for preselection, social contacts etc.

                        I see, but again how does this make up for lost time on finding girls that are sexually attractive and help more with preselection, social contacts etc? I see this as a viable start up option only. If you mean by social contacts shit like Insta then I don't consider that friend zoning. Friend zoning in my book is being a girls platonic friend.

                        Are you seriously claiming that girls don't spend little commitment currency on some men so they can have sex?

                        I'm saying a girl can't spend commitment period. Or not in the same valuable sense. We spend sex (seamen) but it's cheap and plentiful. What commitment benefits do women bring to the table? Men are apt at doing everything better. I never had a girl help me deal with shit.

                        I dare say most girls in the 20 something age range have plates they are spinning.

                        The only thing women are spinning is their orbiters and the alphas they hope will commit to them. If it ain't official commitment they will accept covert commitment. But commitment is their desire. They want to actively speak, talk, meet and fuck with these men. Why do you think women constantly want to bable with men on message apps? Every single reply is a validation of commitment. Men just like sex and busting a nut. The whole romance thing comes rarely with specific women.

                        You are right they eventually demand commitment

                        Doesn't this prove my point that women don't plate but always look for commitment? Some small percentage might be different but your normal product of a woman will always end up there. If the man says yes or no to that is up to him.

                        but it is not correct to say girls don't like sex or don't pursue sex for the sake of sex- at least they try but again, you are right, often the fee fees eventually get in the way.

                        Sex is mutually enjoyed and I dare say women enjoy it on a deeper level. But then again so do men enjoy romance on a deeper level. The biggest sexual whores are women and the biggest romantic suckers are men. You know this I am hundred percent convinced you do, you don't strike me as misinformed, that's not what i'm implying here.

                        Men can be very romantically nuts but this is often times caused due to betaness, emotional issues, lack of masculinity and therefor a lack of libido. Also men lie constantly and pretend they like a girl for who she is and they don't pretend to be nice for sex. The nice guy.

                        But here's the thing, women are exactly the same in reverse. Consider this, women can be massive sluts, utterly insatiable and limitless. And again this is caused by promiscuity, mental issues and a lack of femininity. If she were she would go from submissive in bed to submissive in the relationship, that's how fee fees happen and why women get them after a guy banged them. Any woman who pretends she only has sex for the sake of sex exist. And just like men it's a pretense, the cool girl as apposed to the nice guy. And once again it's a ruse to eventually arrive at the golden moment where they admit they have the feelz. Either that or they lose interest. But it's always there.

                        And I think it's important that we make this distinction because it explains things much better as opposed to a universal explanation. This actually helped me allot to not only understand women but also myself.

                        [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (7 children)

                        It means you're doing something right. You're currently the guy she wants to have those peak experiences with. Enjoy it while it lasts.

                        [–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (6 children)

                        Thanks.

                        I am, but I don't like being taken for a ride. I'm very acute. & she probably realizes it. Something stinks. She wants something from me, aside from intimacy. But I can't tell what or why?

                        [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

                        If your SMV is higher than hers, then the answer is simple. Hypergamy. She wants the status and validation that comes with being around a high value guy. Bonus points if she gets beautiful pictures while traveling to stunning destinations with said guy. Women live to post that kind of stuff on social media.

                        That isn't necessarily a bad thing. You can do the same thing to a degree and that will attract yet more women wanting to be in the same position. Not to mention it's simply fun to travel to these places and have a cute chick with that wants to bang you constantly.

                        [–]jackandjill22 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                        I'm going to write a post about this.

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                          [–]biggerbetterjobs 2 points3 points  (5 children)

                          You're either her plate or she's afraid of bringing up exclusivity in case it freaks you out and drives you to leave, so she'd rather enjoy what she has and not fuck it up. Probably a mixture of both emotions. Humans are complicated.

                          [–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          It's not that hard. You plate a girl and enjoy your time and never bring up any exclusive bullshit. That's her job. If you are the top 1 guy she will inevitably bring up the subject. Either that or she's afraid you aren't interested in her and she tries to get your interest or avoid rejection.

                          [–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                          That's what everyone keeps saying. Seems to be the diagnosis because I can sense something's up. I have girls into me all the time, & this ones not strait forward. She's def interested because she's invested. But there's like a weird a distance between us that seems convoluted.

                          • She's running some kind've girl-game. & I'm not about to get railroaded. Otherwise I don't care what she does as long as it doesn't affect me.

                          [–]biggerbetterjobs 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                          I wouldn't pay attention to it. Simply just keep lifting, keep pursuing your personal goals, keep doing activities/hobbies you enjoy and hanging with your friends, and keep improving.

                          If she leaves you, that's her problem not yours. You can get other girls of equal and/or better value if you simply just keep yourself moving forward/improving on the straight and narrow. If you're actually doing this, she will be aware and will stay chaste for you given she has no better options. Or if she's a garbage human who gets what she wants by lying through her teeth and she's riding side dick.. Well you wouldn't want her commitment anyway. Dump/Next/Plate her.

                          Overall, focusing on women past making her smile and laugh is stupid. You shouldn't care about labeling the relationship, that's a female desire. If she wants to cheat or fuck other guys, let her go do it; but she should know there's consequences to those actions (dread) which causes her to not do it.. Unless she's stupid as fuck or has shitty manners/social skills/poor self control.. Which is someone you wouldn't want to wife up anyway.

                          [–]jackandjill22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          She's not interrupting my life. I'm just trying to get a clear picture of what's going on/what she's doing early so I can be prepared.

                          She already knows if she Fucks up I automatically correct the frame. & if that doesn't work.

                          • Usually when something like this happens. After I've mentioned it as a boundary once. I apply "soft dread" to give them fear of a "NEXT". & if they're invested they'll come crawling back.

                          Otherwise: Ghost.

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                            [–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                            You must be older because you sound out of touch. Just sayin'

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                              [–]jackandjill22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              I agree with some of the things that you said. Maybe they just honestly want a relationship & our generation of young men are to cynical, individualist, & selfish but, that doesn't come from nowhere. Adaptation.

                              I would put my money on the the prudent practical view over the idealism.

                              [–]XelentGamer 15 points16 points  (2 children)

                              They are like unicorns or fairies. Women with proper father figures who grew up carrying outdated ideals about what kind of man they need and what kind of women they need to be for that man. They have strong willpower and self identity to go through their youth ignoring most of society and choosing a rare path. Many fail, I'd say less than 1 in 100 make it to unicorn status and the number falls with each generation.

                              For 95% of men they have no chance of getting a shot with a unicorn, unicorns are after the elites of men. For the remaining 5%, hopefully some of you, you have to recognize that most of the women you date will be typical sluts, some wolves in sheep's clothing and maybe if you are lucky you will be able to settle down with a unicorn.

                              Fact of the matter is though, revolving your goals around fucking sluts will exclude you from this chance. Taking the truths of the redpill without the women hating and striving to improve your market value by becoming a high value man will though.

                              [–]Rollo_Mayhem3 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                              This ^ when you get confused, remember hot chicks are the by-product of being focused, pursuing your goals/dreams, and raising your SMV...they are not the destination. Keep focused on doing what you enjoy, having fun, and dgaf about anyone else.

                              [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                              LOL. Don't get your hopes up. I married that girl. She's a bossy nag with trust issues, always wants to wear the pants, has no sensuality, expects perfection out of everyone around her, and doesn't put out often enough to be worth the headache most of the time. Some of this is her demeanor, some is my fault for showing beta behavior during the engagement and honeymoon phase. If you find this faithful girl, you still have to keep at the top of your game to get more than a pittance of beleaguered respect out of her. She saw how fucked up the rest of the feminine world was during high school, and is convinced that hers is the only golden pussy in all the land due to it's virtue. In truth, hers is the driest because none are good enough for it. That strong willpower is a double-edged swprd.

                              Eventually I'm going to either break her or max out dread game and get divorced. Probably the latter; because her entire identity is completely wrapped around this self-identity of righteous perfection and virtue.

                              Drool all you want over this archetype, but her ego is monstrous. Real Taming of the Shrew shit.

                              [–]OneInAZillion 54 points55 points  (1 child)

                              I always love a good TRP vacation tale.

                              My buddy (RP-ish) went on a trip to Cuba and met a girl from a town near his, who had a fiance. At the time, he was looking to expand his up and coming business to nearby towns (hers included). He proceeds to fuck this girl for his entire vacation, a vacation in which her boyfriend was there with her, but she kept trailing off to go fuck my friend.

                              All throughout this little episode she's trying to convince him to relocate to her city for work - telling him pretty much verbatim: "If you move to my city I'll leave my fiance for you. I'll be the best girlfriend blah blah blah".

                              This was after knowing him for only a few days.

                              She was considering leaving her fiance of who-knows-how-many-years just because some guy she barely knew displayed alpha traits and gave her a good dicking.

                              I never tire of this shit and these stories. Thank you TRP, as always.

                              [–]darkmoon09 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              This along with the OP are exactly the things that makes me believe im forever changed and will find it impossible to develop genuine feelings for women. It's like, why bother if they treat men this way? There's no respect for their "boyfriends" to any degree.

                              [–]hmanasi93 105 points106 points  (12 children)

                              Those last two paragraph's really take the cake. Once a whore will always a whore and that is a philosophy to stand by. And they won't be deterred for a single second to reconsider their actions and behavior otherwise.

                              Likely all those women have beyond-beta boyfriends for them to even let them travel alone. But it is their loss, and certainly shouldn't be a surprise when and if they come to their senses.

                              [–]Solipsistic_guy 51 points52 points  (2 children)

                              Yep, if she can cheat on an LTR for you, she can cheat on you when the next Chad Thundercock comes along. Good on Tom for being rational.

                              [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (1 child)

                              Its a very reassuring part of the whimsical nature of women you bring up.. It also cuts both ways and when she cheats ON you then its a lock she will cheat on the new guy too.

                              When you calmly gaze at the situation from above you can see it has nothing to do with your or his strengths and weaknesses and is all about the girl being herself.

                              Gives your ego deserved rest. Beating self up over womens lack of loyalty is blue pill conditioning.

                              This is NOT a license to be a cuck. its more of a mindset to treat relationships with women as a man, not a lovestruck boy

                              [–]Solipsistic_guy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                              Yes ! Be Marcus Aurelius not Nicholas Sparks.

                              [–]1PantsonFire1234 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                              Low value women generally only manage to attract betas. Then they go on vacation and try to shop for some more expensive shit. They are still very much the loser. Just like the guy who tolerates being with them.

                              [–]jurguenklomiken 15 points16 points  (4 children)

                              "let them travel alone"

                              Always the same, you don't have control over her and she does not have control over you.

                              [–]Canedude08 8 points9 points  (3 children)

                              "I am not a dictator, I can't make anyone do anything, but there are some things I will not tolerate in a relationship. You are free to go out and do stuff with the girls, and go to Cabo, but I will not be around when you get back"--Tom Leykis

                              [–]jurguenklomiken 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                              Girls need to go out with their girlfriends and be slutty.

                              Guys need to go out with the boys and hit on some chicks.

                              Always have AWALT in mind, but living a life were you walk away or she gets passive aggressive every time your LTR goes out with friends is nonsense.

                              [–]Canedude08 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                              There's a difference between going out with the girlfriends, and going on vacay without your LTR. Frankly, if a girl wants to go to a meat market bar, then she doesn't need to be in a relationship. She doesn't need to be trolling for dick, just because you are kicking it with your friends. A guy that consistently needs to be out hitting on chicks, instead of being out with the guys shouldn't be in a LTR either. When I was in a relationship, I still had guys night out, I still hung out with my friends, but I wasn't out consistently hitting on women, I was just kicking it. I also wasn't going to meat market bars either, I was going to places where I could chill and enjoy myself and not be in that environment.

                              You can swear to be on a diet and only eat chicken breast, but if you keep showing up to a butcher shop, eventually you will end up taking home that NY Strip. A guy that puts up with that is asking to be cheated on, he's asking to get cucked. Have your lines in the sand, and go from there. If she values being slutty and trolling for dick over being in a sane relationship, then dismiss, or demote her to plate status. Don't tolerate it within the confines of a relationship.

                              [–]jurguenklomiken -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                              going on vacay without your LTR

                              This is probably one of the best thing in life

                              A guy that consistently needs to be out hitting on chicks, instead of being out with the guys shouldn't be in a LTR

                              Agreed, but "consistently needs" is the key here. If it's sporadically, to get out of the routine can be a good thing.

                              If she values being slutty and trolling for dick over being in a sane relationship, then dismiss, or demote her to plate status. Don't tolerate it within the confines of a relationship.

                              Again, I agree with this. But this is not the scenario we were discussing.

                              [–]biggerbetterjobs 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                              Likely all those women have beyond-beta boyfriends for them to even let them travel alone.

                              Traveling alone is sometimes necessary in certain situations. To me, the suggestion that these women have super-beta boyfriends is the fact that they want to travel alone and not desire his companionship on the trip.

                              [–]jurguenklomiken 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Imagine you have an awesome girlfriend and your single buddies are going to party to Ibiza. Would you go?

                              Romantic partners fill a different need than our friends. Is just a different dynamic, and nobody likes missing on fun stuff.

                              This idea that if you have an awesome LTR you should want to always go everywhere with them just seems so flawed to me. It's probably based on codependency.

                              [–]tanqop 44 points45 points  (2 children)

                              I just spent 3 weeks abroad doing a course with people mostly my age. Around half of the girls that had a boyfriend back home and I got to know cheated. Nothing unexpected. Disappointed, but not surprised. The same logic was also valid for men, though.

                              [–]WolfofAnarchy 34 points35 points  (1 child)

                              The same logic was also valid for men, though.

                              Yup. We don't 'deserve' to cheat any more than girls do. Let's not have that double standard.

                              In other words, never commit, and fuck whoever.

                              [–]thetrpthrowaway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              I would love to commit, but damn, it is so dangerous and risky these days.

                              [–]shakespeareSMG 43 points44 points  (4 children)

                              Women are much better at cheating than men, that's why this info is surprising to some of you. When you've been the other guy for a while you see it a lot--especially if you have lived in a place like Las Vegas.

                              And that doesn't count the plates she's spinning with sexting or FB messenger.

                              I would have guessed 3 out of 5, but hey it just goes to show you how accurate TRP is.

                              Except for the one girl, but then, I wonder what she looked like...

                              [–]Starter91 16 points17 points  (1 child)

                              My guess is really statistically 80-90% women do same thing , does not matter which one but yeah, thats why 80-20 rule in my mind is so accurate , 80% of the women that do the same things, cheating, eating, sleeping, etc .

                              [–]Dynamaxion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              I don't think women are necessarily better, I just think (beta) men are more likely to be aloof/naive. Women are constantly hyper tuned to whether or not their SO is doing shit.

                              [–]lebogglez 36 points37 points  (3 children)

                              A big difference between men and women in my experience is that a male cheater knows what he does is wrong but ignores that for selfish reasons, while a female cheater will somehow rationalize that what she does is not wrong..

                              [–]RideTheThunderBolts 29 points30 points  (1 child)

                              It's in the Bible:

                              "Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness." Proverbs 30:20

                              [–]Dynamaxion 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                              Proverbs 30:20

                              So true. I've done some shitty things before but by fuck if I didn't feel bad about it. Not true of the times I've had girlfriends mess around.

                              [–]1PantsonFire1234 15 points16 points  (0 children)

                              Women can't get cucked so a male cheater doesn't matter much to them other than it being a threat. That's why women forgive and can return to feeling the same for a guy, if not more because he proved his worth. Meanwhile women who cheat basically cuck the guy. Male hind brain kicks in and gets disgusted by her and will never feel the same for her. Because now the risk of cucking is high. And cucking equals genetic death, men who got cucked and din't feel disgust for it didn't reproduce. Even if he's blue pill and has oneitis, deep inside he will resent her for it. That's why you read those cringy posts where cucks lay down their guts for the world to see.

                              Now a man getting into a romance with another girl while he still has a girlfriend. THAT is the equivalent of the female cheater. Because at this point a man has basically cucked his girlfriend into giving him sex while he gave some other woman his commitment, his affection.

                              That's why women are so deeply concerned with "does he care about me" and men are concerned with "is she cheating on me". I mean these subredits are the perfect example man. TRP Is littered with slut alarm questions and tips, field reports and rants. While some female sub only deals in wondering if X Chad or Z Boyfriend actually cares about them.

                              [–]30fretibanezguy 36 points37 points  (0 children)

                              But but but but MY girlfriend would be the 1/10! We've been together so long, we're so close, there's NO WAY she'd just throw it away! It's like she's always told me.. sex isn't everything!!!

                              /s and good post OP.

                              [–]jurguenklomiken 29 points30 points  (10 children)

                              In Europe we have this exchange student program called Erasmus.

                              People don't call it Orgasmus for nothing.

                              It's common knowledge here that couples don't survive it. period.

                              [–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (6 children)

                              Yes, local men who live in areas where Erasmus students come are some of the luckiest bastards out there. As long as they look decent and have Game, they are able to swim in an infinite pool of international pussy.

                              [–]jurguenklomiken 5 points6 points  (4 children)

                              I don't know about that. Most local guys are Blue Pill as fuck around that age and most are in relationships.

                              It helped me get a little bit of pussy without looks or game, but most importantly showed me the true nature of women and take them off the pedestal. A mild Red Pill awakening of sorts.

                              Brits flashing tits in the club can do that to you.

                              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                              Most local guys are Blue Pill as fuck around that age and most are in relationships.

                              There are plenty of 30+ guys who are gaming Erasmus chicks, especially in Italy and Spain. Combination of good looks, Game, age and local knowledge is definitely a recipe for an easy lay.

                              [–]jurguenklomiken 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                              Yeah, but I wouldn't say plenty. Most guys that age are in LTRs here.

                              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                              Some of them don't mind cheating, especially with a girl who'll be gone very soon anyway. Again, the point is that as a male Erasmus student you have disadvantages that local men don't - like knowledge of local language, culture, places, a car, a house etc. They regularly visit bars where Erasmus sluts are going out and they pick them up with ease.

                              [–]jurguenklomiken 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Been there done that. Same with tourists.

                              I see your point, but I don't think male Erasmus students have a disadvantage. They know the girls, develop conform, experiences a bond, they just have to apply a little bit of game when going out.

                              [–]Galactic-Unicorn 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                              God bless Erasmus and the whores it brings us.

                              [–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                              Seriously never heard that one.

                              [–]jurguenklomiken 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                              Really!? Maybe you're in the "giving" end of the program.

                              [–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Well I never were one for student college stuff. My high time was high school and I could never relate to the way kids tried to jump up the pyramid in college. I did finish my degree btw, reluctantly.

                              [–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (7 children)

                              Sometimes I read posts like this and I'm just like "Fuck, can you imagine that 1 in 10 girl, though? Was she hot? Was she normal? Was she overtly Christian? How do we get more of that? " lmao

                              [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 52 points53 points  (6 children)

                              How do we get more of that

                              Stonings in the public square...or at least fault based divorce.

                              [–]director_solon 25 points26 points  (5 children)

                              This. Not stoning, but ensuring that the cheating partners takes nothing that they did not earn.

                              [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

                              but they had to fuck the fat boring hubby at some point. thats hard work man!

                              [–]director_solon 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                              Lol, I guess maybe we should just legalize whoring outright and just pay for our companionship.

                              [–]hyugafan 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                              That would unironically solve a bunch of problems.

                              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                              see, there are several ways to answer this but honestly most guys trade resources for companionship anyway

                              there could easily be two types of services : whores and old style geisha.

                              Geisha were entertainers, and men paid for their company not for sex... at least not officially anyway.

                              I don't have a problem with this at all.

                              [–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Simply put, consequence. And that will come. Be it stonings, fault based divorce or eternal catitude. Women will in one way or another find the consequence in what they do. For the time being men are still catching. Women weren't obviously hypergamous enough. Now the stories are spreading like wildfire.

                              [–]Swagbbbb 26 points27 points  (17 children)

                              I've been worried about this too. my girlfriend of 5 months is in Germany for 2 months to visit her Uncle who has a kidney failure. When she left a couple days ago she asked if I was coming so I told yes, the next week. This morning she texted me to say that her Uncle is in the hospital and he can't pick me up from the airport but early next month would be perfect. I told her I already booked the flight and I cant come past the 21 because it would cost too much to rebook. Then she texted me saying she was so sorry and she would help pay me back for the ticket but her Uncle is too sick to have anyone else in the house. Do you think she will cheat? She's only had actual sex with 1 guy before me in Germany but she goes to clubs and everything so I dont know.

                              [–]Starter91 26 points27 points  (0 children)

                              If you don't see a red flag here then i would know what makes you see one. Obviously she does not want to share the emotional side of hers with you. Why, i have no idea, maybe she is with you for other "assets"

                              [–][deleted] 84 points85 points  (0 children)

                              visit her uncle who has kidney failure

                              she goes to the clubs

                              Clearly she's grieving over her uncles state of health and really busy with family matters.

                              she's only had actual sex with 1 guy

                              Uh huh, sure. Can't tell you how many times I've heard that one.

                              he can't pick me up from the airport, maybe next month

                              Judge her actions, not her words. She's cancelling plans for you to see her and wants to spend the time partying and hanging out with other guys. She's putting you on the back burner in case she changes her mind. Do you really believe there isn't another way for someone else to pick you up? That solution would be simple.

                              Yeah dude. No doubt she's cheating or going to cheat very soon. I promise you she will. Alcohol + Fun + Isolation is the formula that makes cheating inevitable. She has all three of those in abundance.

                              Have her cover your plan ticket ASAP. Then save yourself the two months and dump her. If you don't you'll be cucked for sure.

                              [–]ziggmuff 17 points18 points  (2 children)

                              Something smells fishy. You can't visit and stay somewhere else?

                              [–]RenanWtf[🍰] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

                              Exactly. Also, "since there is no airport pickup, better come a month later" It's Germany, ffs. Everything is close and accessible by any means of transportation.

                              [–]LegoCamel6 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                              Mehhh why bother? If she doesn't do it now she'll do it later... and in that case, is she really worth any effort?

                              [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 32 points33 points  (3 children)

                              she's getting a healthy dose of uncut german sausage. sorry brotha.

                              [–]xXx420VTECxXx 9 points10 points  (2 children)

                              and by German you mean a 6'2 Somalian

                              [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                              they're all germans now lol

                              [–]eccentricrealist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Might as well find a Swede too

                              [–]Landpomeranze 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                              You can get everywhere in germany from every single german airport for like 100€. If you don't mind me asking, which city and airport are we talking about here?

                              [–]biggerbetterjobs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              It's best for you to not overanalyze the situation and let the truth trickle out when she comes home. It will.

                              Until then, hangout with your friends and enjoy your summer. Don't dwell on it.

                              [–]yomo86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              Minor issue (hotel instead of uncles home, cab instead of a ride) shall be enough to offset a planned and booked flight. She even negotiates to compensate you. Man... Please. Look at it from a pragmatic point of you - she needs time. For what is up to you but I have some kind of hunch.

                              [–]xXx420VTECxXx 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                              She's going to ride that Islamic BBC...

                              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              Med dude here. Kidney failure isn't a death sentence and some kidney failures can be fixed in a matter of days. I would very suspicious if my SO didn't want to come see her uncle because he was too sick and in "kidney failure". You do realize all dialysis patients are in kidney failure and live normalish lives.

                              Unless she is retarded with medical diagnoses, something is fishy.

                              [–]Aeiexgjhyoun_III 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              If her uncle is that sick she wouldn't have time for clubs. You seem emotionally attached, find a new girl to fuck. it'll help

                              [–]Dynamaxion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Then she texted me saying she was so sorry and she would help pay me back for the ticket but her Uncle is too sick to have anyone else in the house.

                              If this sounds reasonable to you then it might be the case. But I can't imagine someone being so sick that having my SO around wouldn't help. You're an extra person who can help out.

                              [–]Shakydrummer 19 points20 points  (0 children)

                              Not surprising in the slightest but also disappointing. They get to enjoy strange dick and justify it, it's practically a free pass. If they insist on travelling alone, just save yourself the headache and cut it honestly.

                              [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 19 points20 points  (4 children)

                              i used to bang this dime in college that studied some medieval history bullshit major, but some courses she took were anthropology related. so they had this trip for the whole summer to go to serbia, croatia, and a bunch of other eastern european countries as part of their coursework. so the following semester we meet up for a fuck and share our summers with each other. now, this girl was in a very serious relationship with her man (lol which of course never stopped her from hopping on my dick and other guys dicks even in college.. btw, her man was in the same school as us but he lived in the uptown campus lmao). so anyway, she hooks up with some serbian slav motherfucker who pounded her into oblivion the whole time she was there. and she says to me "hey, i needed to get fucked and my boyfriend is in the states, what's a woman to do?".. not only that, but she told me about all the other broads that went on that trip from our school, got their pussies smashed as well and many of them had boyfriends. nothing new and nothing changes.

                              [–]Dynamaxion 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                              To me this goes against the general red pill dogma that women need commitment and men need sex. If that's how it was, why would these women risk losing commitment just for sex?

                              [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                              they want best of both worlds. fuck whoever they want and have a shoulder to cry on when they get home. also, providers. that's why the cuckolding is so popular now and many women bring that up to their partners.

                              [–]Dynamaxion 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                              Don't men want the same, fuck whoever but have faithful loyal partners waiting on them? I don't really see the difference. Ultimately both just want power and pleasure.

                              I guess the caveat is in the "want to fuck" part. Men will fuck a lot of stuff but women only want the very best.

                              [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                              generally speaking, yes, but you'd be surprised how many men are actually happy with just having one person and having a monogamous fulfilling relationship. men are also are less likely to cheat than women, they are more loyal in that regard. i'm sure there's a study or survey to back that up, but i'm simply stating from my experience. i could be wrong.

                              [–]majorbollocks 17 points18 points  (5 children)

                              Yeah I've been the other guy too and same thing the chick has the audacity to mate guard on me?!! LOL fuck that shit. Told her in no uncertain terms that we're not exclusive so I could still bang her

                              [–]indecencies 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                              Is mate guarding part of TRP terminology? Anywhere I could read up more on it?

                              [–]lionsling 15 points16 points  (1 child)

                              It's actually a scientific term, all sorts of animals mate guard as well, its really an interesting subject as mate guarding can be effective strategy if both partners are and remain in close proximity to one another. For example with ducks, if female is left alone for a prolonged period of time she will seek out ducks nearby and have a good romp in the lilly pads with them, before her pair bonded mate returns home with resources. Bitter truth that most mammals are polygamous and that urge does not go away because of a promise of monogamy

                              [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                              Means what it says man. Trying to guard your partner from getting poached.

                              https://www.google.com/amp/s/therationalmale.com/2012/11/01/mate-guarding/amp/

                              [–]GhostySC2 17 points18 points  (6 children)

                              I want to believe that two people can be loyal to each other and not have sex with anyone else while they are together. I desperately want to find that someone for me and share an amazing, fulfilling life with them... but with this stuff happening so often (I hear/see it happening around me too) I have so little faith in this perception of love and so little trust in other people. How can you reconcile feeling like you can't truly be happy unless you have that other person to share your life with and not being able to trust anyone and believing happy monogamous relationships are becoming a thing of the past?

                              [–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (3 children)

                              Couple things.

                              1) You need to come to terms with the fact that the fairy tale happy ending probably isn't going to happen for you when it comes to romantic relationships. Statistically, it simply isn't a thing you can depend on anymore. I personally have switched from wanting a partner to grow old with to wanting a partner to reproduce and raise a family with (with paternity tests after each birth). That would be fulfilling for me, regardless of the outcome after I have the children I want.

                              2) These stories are horrible, yes. But not every girl is off traveling like this by herself. It's typically only girls that have had enough of the relationship and were going to cheat soon anyway. That's a large part of why they went on the trip in the first place. Be the guy she wants to travel with.

                              3) Set firm boundaries early on in the relationship and make sure your SMV is always rising. That is your best chance to have a happy monogamous relationship with the woman always respecting/loving you.

                              4) Again, decouple your sense of worth, fulfillment, and happiness from women. I am perfectly OK with dying as an old man living by himself as long as I have kids and grand kids around when I do. If I want companionship I'll either have male friends or I can pick up some old broad that I get along with well when sex is no longer that important to me.

                              Make sense?

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                                [–]jm51 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                I am perfectly OK with dying as an old man living by himself as long as I have kids and grand kids around when I do.

                                That's me right now. Waiting for God and loving every minute of it.

                                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                Find yourself a traditional, conscientious woman. Religious even. That is the only woman you can really trust and bond with in an LTR.

                                [–]xXx420VTECxXx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                5 years (NOT MARRIED).

                                Go to church, find someone with good morals. Have a higher SMV than your partner. Fuck like a champ so they have no excuse to find good dick elsewhere.

                                Cross your fingers that NAWALT (AWALT)

                                [–]askmrcia 15 points16 points  (1 child)

                                You know I'm going to throw some sense into this thread. I know I'm late. But I've done my share of study abroads.

                                The girls that had boyfriends back at home and cheated on them when they were away, it was pretty obvious to know which ones these were.

                                What I'm getting at is I knew within the first five mins of meeting these women, which ones were going to screw around. So I blame the boyfriends for even getting into a committed relationship with them.

                                My last trip we went to London England. There were three girls and one was really good looking. She was easily the best looking girl on the trip. She and along with two other girls had boyfriends back at home. Those girls only came out to drink and party with us ONCE.

                                And it was the first day. We all went out to some clubs to drink and dance and stuff. They only did that once. While my wild ass did it every day I was over there along with some of the other women.

                                Instead of drinking with us, the girls that had boyfriends would go to be early or keep to themselves. Like it would be 10pm and either people would be in my room drinking or we would be in the girl's room drinking. The girls that were loyal to their boyfriends would just stay in their rooms and there was plenty of times me and some of the other girls tried to get them to drink us. They refused.

                                Now the girls that had boyfriends and slept around, I mean they were already talking about partying before we even boarded the plane to London. These girls were drinking with me and a few other people pretty much every night and you can guess where that lead too.

                                So what I'm saying is, your girl does not need to travel to cheat. The ones that are sleeping around when they travel are easy as hell to stop. Do they go to clubs while they are in their home country? Are they always on social media being an attention whore? Do they like to drink and party a lot? If the answer is yes, then these are the ones that will cheat behind your back.

                                [–]DouglasPR 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                you nailed it. When in similar situations I could point the girls that were up for cheating within minutes of knowing them. They showed clear signs they were not LTR material. Some were devious enough not to cheat with us in the group, but with strange local guys, reducing the possibility their boyfriends back home would find out.

                                [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (22 children)

                                Sorry, what do you mean by the last sentence? Like just ditch her after?

                                [–][deleted] 49 points50 points  (2 children)

                                No calls, no texts, no answers. She's dead to you. That way you don't obsess over her and move on as quickly as possible. You don't get sucked into the lies and the bullshit. Meanwhile her hamster goes into full meltdown.

                                [–]hyugafan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                Fun to witness the hamstering. It's kind of like watching a trainwreck in slow motion.

                                [–]LordThunderbolt 31 points32 points  (15 children)

                                If your gf wants to travel abroad without you, either alone or with her girlfriends, let her go and don't object. Then ghost her. Don't bother try to change her mind or argue about how you don't like the idea. When they travel they go sit on cocks for fun.

                                [–]Xoramung 8 points9 points  (7 children)

                                let her go and don't object.

                                Not even with once by saying that's sounds horrible? I thought the man was supposed to lead that situation. I would like more clarity then just let her do whatever.

                                [–]CapitalDragons 11 points12 points  (4 children)

                                I would at least express that she will be plated at the very least if she leaves. Those are the consequences and you should hold frame. That being said, the urge to travel is a bad indicator anyways.

                                [–]AwakenedSovereign 41 points42 points  (3 children)

                                Girls aren't stupid.

                                When you threaten her with 'consequences', remember that she does not speak in the same language as you. All you are doing is telling her what she needs to lie about. This is why the strategy is to let them do whatever the fuck they want - WHICH THEY WILL DO REGARDLESS - and make your decisions based on her unfiltered behavior. Paradoxically if you succeed in this strategy and are willing to genuinely let go, she will be less likely to do anything that would risk losing you. We call it Abundance Mentality.

                                Maybe she cancels that trip to keep you. Then a week later she is fucking some local guy. Or has been all along. But you'll never know now will you?

                                Because you are a big strong alpha captain who warns her of the consequences of her actions because she is just a silly dumb girl who doesn't know better tee-hee

                                They fucking know exactly what they are doing. And they have since about 9 years old. That's a hard part of TRP for blues to swallow, but it's also true af

                                [–]lee-sinned 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                It's a lose-lose situation really. Because following this strategy leaves the possible scenario where you ditch the girl because she decided to go on this trip when really she planned to stay with you. ie she'd be that 1 other girl that didn't cheat on her SO. I know that in terms of expected value your strategy is the correct one, but still. Guess the ideal thing to do is to become really really good at identifying behavioral clues in order to figure out whether she's that 1 girl or not.

                                [–]hyugafan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                It's a lot easier making +EV moves than trying to predict how the cards are gonna fall before going all in.

                                [–]LordThunderbolt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                If she doesn't know better than to decline going on that trip out of respect for you, she's not gf material. It's one of those things she should know not to do, by herself. If you tell her not to go, she'll see you as the bad guy who's controlling and won't let her "have fun". If you tell her you feel uneasy about her going on the trip (aka being weak and insecure), she'll reassure you with "words" that she is loyal to you but she'll go on that trip with even less respect for you and a thirst for foreign cock. If you let her go and take welcome her back when she comes home, she'll see you as a naive beta who lacks self respect and she can easily play you for the fool that you are.

                                If your gf asks if it's okay to go on that trip, you tell her that she's an adult and you believe she can decide for herself. The goal is to let her show you the type of person she really is, and not the person you want her to be. Of she goes, you next. If she stays, you reward.

                                [–]yessum447 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                You're moving on because she wants to go, not because she actually goes or doesn't go. If she wants to travel without her boyfriend that she supposedly loves she's at the very least testing the waters with other men to see how she can do if she leaves you.

                                If she still wanted to be with you she would want you to come with her, it's a no-brainer.

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                                  [–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (4 children)

                                  Western women will literally suck a cock and then 5 minutes later, right after she wiped the cum off of her lips, lie to your face about it and have absolutely no regret or emotional hesitation. This is why you must be ruthless with your next. Ghosting is key because it is dishes back her disrespectful actions onto her. She wants to go be a slut? Fine then i'll cut her out of my life like she didn't exist. Even steven imo.

                                  [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                  Western women

                                  i've witnessed this with all women. same shit, different country.

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                                    [–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

                                    You underestimate my ability to detach emotionally from a woman. You should never have the kind of relationship with anything that you can't walk away from immediately and remain emotionally and logically intact. This is just good life advice in general, because nothing is permanent and everything will eventually die/move on/expire etc.

                                    I'm not saying never love anyone or have an intimate connection with anyone, but I am saying to lose the unconditional type of love every boy grew up feeling for his mom. That shit doesn't exist in reality.

                                    You could hope she doesn't cheat on you and play the field while she is away, but for myself at least, it would be far more beneficial to just cut all ties and move on. Cold case that shit.

                                    [–]Only_I_Forgive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                    I agree. My ex-gf went on a night out with my sister and got with my sister's bf's friend. My sister even saw them. Such a bitch move.

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                                      [–]VancouverSucks 29 points30 points  (1 child)

                                      "bellies and vaginas filled with other men's cum" L fuckin OL

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                                        [–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (0 children)

                                        That's TRP. I'll take this shit any day of the week over of going back to a blue pill fantasy world. Be thankful you're aware and that you can learn to adapt.

                                        [–]WolfofAnarchy 23 points24 points  (5 children)

                                        why nature, why...

                                        Reframe it positively --> Gives us Men the assurance that we should never commit and just fuck whoever we want. Enjoy life, know she's never yours, it's just your turn.

                                        [–]Aeiexgjhyoun_III 9 points10 points  (2 children)

                                        No I'm never hers. It's just her turn.

                                        [–]Abi79 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                        No I'm never hers. It's just her turn.

                                        If a guy manages to grow as a man and follow RP principles, then this is absolutely correct. A man's gotta realize when he makes the transition from him being along for her ride to her being along for his ride.

                                        [–]DDFIVEE 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                        Never yours, it's just your turn.

                                        damn son.. that's gonna be rotating in my thoughts for a while

                                        [–]xXx420VTECxXx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                        You're not hers, it was just her turn.

                                        [–]1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                                        Have your cry... then get up and realize that this is the reality of the world, and what you are crying over... was the lie.

                                        The sooner you accept that this is just how it is... the quicker you can get on with your life.

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                                          [–]xXx420VTECxXx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                          No way to OD on Redpills son, keep it up, it'll only make you stronger.

                                          [–]berryfarmer 0 points1 point  (5 children)

                                          this doesn't happen very often in Islamic countries. Women are held highly accountable

                                          I'm starting to wonder if this subreddit is actually geared towards muslim-conversion of its readers

                                          [–]Dynamaxion 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                                          I think this sub is more geared towards accepting nature and trying to adapt/be successful in it. Not Islam's solution which is to just use violence and force to make people, including Chad, be the way it wants. That's some beta shit imo.

                                          [–]berryfarmer 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                                          Chad gets 50 wives in Islam, beta gets 1 or none.

                                          [–]Dynamaxion 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                                          Nope, it's not based on game or looks or self-improvement. It's based on being an elder son in the noble family or some other stupid, purely luck-based shit.

                                          [–]berryfarmer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                          largely depends on the country. Like Christianity there are many sects. The multiple wives thing doesn't fly in Iran for example

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                                              [–]T0PHER911 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                              Maybe they're in an open relationship

                                              [–]Johndoesmith67 19 points20 points  (2 children)

                                              The important thing to know is your boi tom is in geology and once hes finished he needs to get in bed with a fat ass oil company and stack paper.

                                              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                              Uh unless he specialized in petroleum geology he'll be starting at around 40 to 50k a year at a consulting firm or with the USGS. but yeah. Paper can be made down the road if he takes the right path.

                                              [–]Johndoesmith67 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                              Yea you know what I mean. Rock dudes in oil and fracking make pretty solid money. I have family in the industry and they pay their rock dude well over six figures.

                                              [–]Baldr48 10 points11 points  (11 children)

                                              I've been thinking through a situation relevant to this all day.

                                              I have an LTR of maybe 6 months who has been complimenting my lifestyle nicely. She is low milage, respectful, hot body, lives healthy and craves my cock like she needs it to live.

                                              She has an overseas trip coming up that was booked and paid for before she knew me. It's mostly staying with family, but there is a 10 day Contiki tour that concerns me. I'd like to be trusting but AWALT.

                                              Not sure if I should just let her go on the trip and hope my gut instincts will sus out any bad behavior or just end it and go back to spinning plates.

                                              What would you do brothers?

                                              Given the right circumstances LTRs are definitely my preference.

                                              [–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

                                              6 mo. LTR? I wouldn't even give it that designation at 6 months, because a woman will rationalize it the same way. "Oh, it's only been 6 months...".

                                              You have no choice on "letting" her go on the trip. If you try and say no, you're boned.

                                              Go with your gut, go with your gut, GO WITH YOUR GUT. If anything surfaces that even hints that something went down, eject and spin her.

                                              I figure one of two things will come of that.

                                              1. You create more value through scarcity, and she doubles down on you.

                                              2. She gets pissed and blows up at you, and tells you in vivid detail how she got filled in all holes by Chad Thundercock on vacay.

                                              I call that a win-win.

                                              [–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 14 points15 points  (3 children)

                                              She'll go on her tour. It's pointless trying to forbid it. You kiss her and tell her to have lots of fun.

                                              While she's gone, make a point to meet other women so you don't feel like a cuckold.

                                              When she's back, you won't be suspicious, just happy and a little guilty (in secret) about what you did while she was away.

                                              [–]xXx420VTECxXx 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                                              But if she doesn't fuck any guys you've gone and cheated for no reason.

                                              [–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                                              What do you mean, no reason. She was away for a long time and you were lonely.

                                              [–]xXx420VTECxXx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                              Come on bro, don't you think thats a bit hypocritical? You have two hands, pocket pussy, drugs and a g spot.

                                              My LTR has had distance for over 6 months, I didn't have to cheat.

                                              [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                              A tough situation since it was booked before she knew you. It's easy for any of us to say end it and spin plates but the fact is we're not in that position.

                                              I personally think the odds are stacked heavily against you but ultimately you have to make that choice.

                                              I just plated my LTR a week ago for similar behavior. I'm a happier and less stressed man for it.

                                              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                              Medium is the message.

                                              Also, 6 months is an STR

                                              [–]slickmizzle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                              You should let her go. It looks desperate saying to her that she can't go on a trip that was already paid for before. Either you say don't go and she'll resent you for it or let her go and don't worry about it. Gives you more precious time without her to better yourself.

                                              [–]boardrider73 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                              Man I went on a Contiki Tour in 97..Everyone was hooking up with everyone. I would not be real stoked on this. However, what options do you have? None.

                                              [–]adam_varg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                              Dont do anything. Make sure she cant get even sniff of your concerns. If she does you multiplied chance of straying.

                                              Then carefully watch her act during trip and after. If its smells wrong even a bit or your gut is saying you something drop her or snoop to verify.

                                              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                              She's going to have strange dudes cumming on her face brother. If you keep her, you get to kiss that face. What's your gut tell you to do?

                                              [–]fromthecrypt8 9 points10 points  (2 children)

                                              Swallowing trp is the best thing I've done in many, many years, perhaps one of the most important events in my life. Why? Because it genuinely fits like a fuckin glove with what I've observed in reality. I too have observed what OP is describing on many occasions.

                                              [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

                                              you don't need to "swallow" anything. The red pill is garbage. Just consider yourself a little more self actualized and aware of the shit people are capable of. Don't start calling yourself a red piller optherwise you'll be swallowing a different pill in a few years when you realize TRP is a fucking joke. Men just need to be MEN and not red pillers.

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                                                [–]The_Phoenecian 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                                                Tell her you're glad the precedent has been set, and you're not gonna think twice before doing the same thing when the situation presents itself to you. You're trying to extract more pieces of the trickle truth. Gauge her response; if anything went down, you'll likely be able to see it.

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                                                  [–]DouglasPR -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                                  man, put a rock over it and forget it. This will lead to you leaving her if you pursue this old issue now.

                                                  [–]mortalcoil1 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                                                  On a similar note, if you are in the military and have a wife/girlfriend, she WILL cheat on you while you are deployed.

                                                  On a similar note, if your wife/girlfriend is in the military, she WILL cheat on you while she is deployed.

                                                  Women live their entire lives in a continuous state of sex accessibility. When this goes away they are completely unequipped to deal with it.

                                                  [–]purgisupp 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                                                  In other words, water is wet.

                                                  I was working for an youth exchange organization which hosted people from all over the world. Around 70% of them were girls. Saw this kind of thing happening weekly, often on the first night the people arrived.

                                                  Was a fun few years for me, and I really learned a thing and two. Remember a girl I spent a night with Skyping the next with her boyfriend how much she misses and loves him. Later she slept with 2 other guys within the few weeks she was there.

                                                  One thing I noted was that people from Asia were in general more committed to the ones back home and didn´t fuck around as much as those from Europe/America, though it still happened.

                                                  [–]cherryCanSuckMyDick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                  idk maybe the asians are just better at hiding it

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                                                    [–]RPmatrix 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                                    The International Backpacker Trail is a partyminded fuckfest full of HB's with bugger all ASD becoz "who' gonna tell?"

                                                    It's a fucking casual orgy, pure and simple! And the hostels are well aware of this and cater nicely to such proclivities

                                                    Suffice to say, as a guy it's best to travel alone, if you go with a mate be ready to part ways whenever as things come up which will take you in opposite directions as nobody will be happy with a compromise, believe me, I've seen heaps of this

                                                    And, NEVER go on a Long trip with your GF, unless you're incredibily tight and already live in each other's pockets!

                                                    And IF your GF goes backpacking ... split up and tell her you can see what's up when she gets back. It will save you both a lot of grief

                                                    Otherwise it's almost certain that you'll break up somewhere along the way and it will suck for a while

                                                    It happened to a German couple I lived with in Australia for six months.

                                                    Eight mths into "their" trip, (we'd all moved out about a month earlier, I'd gone to Melbourne) she goes off travelling alone for a few weeks while Wolfgang went somewhere else "trusting her" LOL! dumbass

                                                    So when he called me after he'd just found out that she was running off with some french guy she met "on the trip to tasmania", he's shattered and I can feel his pain over the ph.

                                                    Amazingly we discover we're in the same city, I'm with two Swedish chicks having a barbecue and I Tell him to 'come over to my place' Right Now!.. He does and later I take them to this great party pub and Wolfy has a blast, get's pissed and ends up going home with some cute nurse! Superb! It was the best thing that could've happened for him and he was over his ex overnight! lol

                                                    TL:DR" ALL backpackers are Sluts. Male and female it matters not! If they're under 30 they're out to fuck with SFA ASD becoz "who's gonna tell"

                                                    edit: spelling

                                                    [–]1PantsonFire1234 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                                                    I'm wondering about the backstory of these girls. I think that any girl who goes on a vacation trip without her boyfriend has moved past the honeymoon stage long ago. The reason they travel in the first place is to put themselves in these bad situations. Because they are bored. Five years is a long time. I'm not sure about the others.

                                                    Also remember that if all those girls hooked up with the guys from the trip. That means that heavy AF/BB rules weren't even in play. They just wanted some other guy, probably because they are bored.

                                                    Most people beat a dead horse for far longer than they should. To understand that sometimes you have to let go. Especially when it comes to women. After the four year mark it's done, there's no spark anymore for either of you. Now this sucks for anyone who wants to build a family and secretly hates putting himself out there. But it's the truth.

                                                    [–]askmrcia 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                                                    Exactly!!!!!!! And that's what a lot of users here are failing to realize. Not every girl that travels is going to cheat and slut it up. I mean c'mon.

                                                    The ones that do are either in shitty relationships to begin with or were whores before they got into relationships. They don't need these trips to cheat.

                                                    Lets put it this way. The type of women you see doing this probably has one or multiple of the following:

                                                    1. You met them off tinder
                                                    2. They like to club and party
                                                    3. They already had a lot of boyfriends/sex partners.
                                                    4. They like to party (has to be said again) and drink and do drugs (yes weed counts)

                                                    These girls are going to most likely cheat on you.

                                                    [–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                    And that's what a lot of users here are failing to realize. Not every girl that travels is going to cheat and slut it up. I mean c'mon.

                                                    Actually I think I clearly stated that every girl who travels will most likely cheat if the moment is right. But you will only see cheating girls that travel because the girls that don't cheat are staying at home with the guys they still have emotions for. It's like visiting a casino/bar and all you see is addicted people that gambling and drink. That doesn't mean every man is a gambler and alcoholic. But those who visit casinos and bars certainly often are.

                                                    The ones that do are either in shitty relationships to begin with or were whores before they got into relationships. They don't need these trips to cheat.

                                                    There is no realistic way why a committed woman should want to be apart from her husband/boyfriend if she's happy in that moment. Girls that travel are inherently looking for something (a.k.a cock), that's what travel boils down to, looking for something. Travel and exploration are two different things. Explorers look to find themselves through the unknown. Travelers (often women and beta men) look to find others to fix their problems.

                                                    These girls are going to most likely cheat on you.

                                                    The problem is that almost any girls nowadays is connected to dating social media. Likes to go out and socialize, tries to get with men and dabbles in drugs because the people around her do so. They just roll into it. That's why TRP stresses the importance of finding a virgin who hasn't gone through all of that. With the emphasis of "who hasn't gone through all of that". You can be a 25 virgin girl and you're still a red flag if you do point 1. 2. and 4.

                                                    [–]Glacierdust 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                                                    I went on a semester abroad in second year and in the program there were only 2 guys including me and 18 girls. The other guy was what Mystery would call an Average Frustrated Chump but, to be honest here, so was I. I knew of the red pill's existence but I was still a virgin who didn't lift.

                                                    Anyway, I did end up losing my virginity and then some (logistics were just phenomenal) and as OP said, a lot of the girls were in relationships and every single one cheated (one of them with me). I was very bitter that only one cheated with me because I had my eye on two others as well.

                                                    Here's the thing though: I recently dated a girl who got a job across the ocean for six weeks and I had to decide if we were going long-distance or bust. Thanks to the red pill awakening I'd had in second year, the choice was a very obvious one: I had to break up with her. And I did. I'll never know for sure how much pain I spared myself but I'm at peace with my decision and grateful to this subreddit.

                                                    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                                    Good for you. You did the right thing. Not many are wise and strong enough to do so.

                                                    [–]lionsling 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                    The truth of the matter is girls don't even have to travel that far to cheat on their significant other. All they require is the feeling of attraction and a little nudge in your direction. I remember in college this one girl wanted to "meet up" with me after class when I had remembered she clearly told everyone in our group she had a boyfriend of 3 years.

                                                    [–]goatwithbeergoggles 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                                    Out of interest, how many of those 20 guys had girlfriends and did any of them cheat?

                                                    [–]tiddereverse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                    Also interested in knowing this... Not trying to equate things, it's just that I don't know why most guys here expect so much about fidelity from girls, when I've see the same on the other side. Many of my buds plated other girls while having LTR, and I've done it too.

                                                    I think it's more of human nature than gender. Monogamy is a myth.

                                                    Two issues though: 1. For guys it seems complicated when we get caught, because of BP narrative in society. 2. Girls have easier access to sex, but high SV can do the same for us.

                                                    For peace of mind, I just think that any gf I have might cheat any time, and just accept it. If I see signs from their actions and I do have the chance, I'll also do it and at some point just ghost.

                                                    [–]MisterRoid 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                    I read stories about girls cheating on their boyfriends all the time when they travel to another country alone on another forum. It's basically a guarantee that she will cheat when she's going on a trip with her (girl)friends. Hell, they are cheering each other on to do it too.

                                                    [–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 14 points15 points  (0 children)

                                                    Worst part is when you realize that through microchimerism, if done unsafely, this dna will be with this women forever.

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                                                      [–]TimmySatanicTurner 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                                      I just smoked a blunt with yo girlfriend

                                                      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                                      Or just spin fucking plates. Simples.

                                                      [–]UrbanBanger -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                                      Fuck yeah bro, one on each finger, one on each toe.... And a mandatory 2 on your cock at once

                                                      [–]aolders 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                      I might still be not completely unplugged, but can someone explain why you ghost someone without even mentioning that going abroad without you is something that is not acceptable? I'm from Europe and especially during your studies it's common to go abroad to improve your CV. Ghosting someone because of that without any warning seems a bit overkill. Wouldn't it be the same as a woman ghosting her boyfriend without any warning because he's going to a business trip?

                                                      [–]RedPill_Swinger 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                                      I've been group travelling since the age of 14, for many different reasons (education, work, ngo programmes, leisure etc) it always ended up this way. ALWAYS. Oh and also, cultures differed, nationalities differed, "characters" differed blah, blah, blah AWALT!

                                                      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                                                      Am i the only person getting tense from reading those kinds of posts? xD

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                                                        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                        That's the hamster running at full speed haha.

                                                        [–]TheOldEskimo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                                        I already knew this was true, but just reading it breaks my heart all over again. How could you do that to your partner?

                                                        I hate that this is the reality of the world we live in.

                                                        No surprise, my ex cheated on me and left me for another man -- that's not the way she tells the story of course, but it's what really happened.

                                                        Fuck em'

                                                        [–]jurguenklomiken 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                        I lived on the receiving end of this situation. Many tourists and exchange students came to the Mediterranean to party. So many Americans, Brits and Germans wanting to ride some local latin cock. I assumed 90% of them had boyfriends back home.

                                                        [–]ECoast_Man 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                        Good one. I have been "the other guy" many times in this situation and several times the broads did a horrible job at hiding that they had a boyfriend back home. Saying "I love you" on the phone and shit in hushed voices and coming back into the room and saying they were talking to "mom".

                                                        [–]1skittles_man 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                        This is why you beautiful bastards should be satisfied that you have found TRP. One of the main reasons these girls go on these vacations and cheat is because their boyfriends have no frame and no game. With frame and good game, you can mitigate some of this stuff, and even if you can't, you won't really care anyway because you'll be able to replace her rather quickly

                                                        [–]Dadoma 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                        True story. I myself was on studying abroad on an exchange program for 1 year and as I first met people there a lot of exchange program girls already had boyfriends at home. Maybe as much as 60% of them. So when they first told me that I was disappointed and thought it couldn't work out. But roughly 1-2 months in about 80% of them cheated or broke up with their SO's. One girl even set up an open relationship (LOL) with her SO's that would allow them (her) to fuck whoever they (she) wanted. I myself even got several of them to cheat after I noticed that this was how it goes (humblebrag). Moral of the story? AWALT. Don't let your girl go on exchange. It's simply a bad idea.

                                                        [–]ArmaniDiamonds 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                        This is why I go to edm shows and raves. Yeah. Your ass and pasties on your titties shows your “commitment”. Wanna go back to my hotel room? Never once have I not fucked a girl once they decide to go back to the hotel with me.

                                                        [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                                        What about the one girl who didn't cheat..... was she really ugly, really fat or didn't get caught ?

                                                        [–]BiteAndThrow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                        I'll bet on 'didn't get caught'.

                                                        [–]Only_I_Forgive 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                                                        I just had this discussion with my friends yesterday. We went to a rural part of the country where many people visit for fun and partying over the holidays. 2 out of 4 of us have GFs. In the club we dance away and try pull. We pull girls and guess what? They have BFs. The usual line of, "Well, is he here?" normally makes them cheat very quick. I'm the only one of them aware of the RedPill etc and try to open the discussion the morning after that AWALT. It's just a fact of life. If you ever had a GF or have one now then they have cheated. We are not meant to be monogamous creatures. A recent study was done to highlight why millennials cheat, and it's mainly a fear of boring monogamy.

                                                        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                        I think Richard Dawkins put it best when he said, "We are a monogamous species plagued by adultery."

                                                        I also took this gem from his book The Selfish Gene:

                                                        "If you wish, as I do, to build a society in which individuals cooperate generously and unselfishly towards a common good, you can expect little help from biological nature. Let us try to teach generosity and altruism because we are born selfish. Let us understand what our own genes are up to, because we may then at least have the chance to upset their designs, something no other species has ever aspired to do."

                                                        Essentially saying yes, we're not born to be morally perfect but we have a brain that is capable of overriding our biological impulses...our biology is no excuse for being an asshole.

                                                        [–]2Dmva100 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                        This coincides with a pre and post vacation trend I've seen with girls on tinder, along with plates I know, and other guys LTRs. Girls will always try to start cheating even before they leave. I've had two ONS with girls leaving college to go back home and they use plausible deniability with 'I'm so busy packing ' etc. Seen the texts a girl sent saying this on one occasion verbatim. Happens all the time during holiday seasons too. Most girls will get back on tinder after these occurrences because either A) They trickle truthed to their BF and they dumped her, or B) Their BF is so clueless and believes her bullshit and she know she has him cucked so hey why not? I need a new Chad because he would never let me get away with that!

                                                        [–]razeus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                        I remember I went on a study abroad trip to Berlin with some classmates. Therefore I knew for sure most of the girls were married or had a BF back home.

                                                        Of course, that didn't stop me from banging two of the girls there (the girl I went to and from with and another girl I got to know better on the trip).

                                                        We all came back home like nothing happened. Something about being in a foreign city and alcohol...

                                                        [–]Alexinfinite01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                        Ask me again why I look down on women

                                                        [–]Starter91 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                                                        Think of trip overseas as free pass for you also, go do what you want to do brother.

                                                        [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                                                        That may work for some but I personally would never compromise myself and break my word like that. I think there are a lot of guys that feel the same.

                                                        If I am vulnerable enough to be in a LTR with a girl I'm doing her a great favor with the value I bring to the table. If she can't remain completely monogamous with me I'd prefer to just spin plates and remain emotionally unattached. Plus it would be an indication to me that my SMV has dropped and I should work on myself, by myself.

                                                        [–]aliruismaximus 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                                                        Gotta ask, What if she has a school trip or a career orientation out of town? What if she's going out of town to see family, and youre too busy to make it?

                                                        I would be pretty pissed if I couldn't travel without my girlfriend because she was worried I would cheat on her, that sounds to me like insecurity.

                                                        Am i buggin?

                                                        They cant all be cheaters man come on what if she really fucking likes you boys gimme something to sleep with here. . .

                                                        Do i really have to be paranoid everytime I leave the woman I want to be with, that some guy is going to game and fame her?

                                                        With that being said, if what OP is saying is true, then your girl is probably going to meet someone, somewhere, and bang them. You probably wont even find out about it if shes smart enough.

                                                        Am I the only one that still wants to find a partner and raise a family?

                                                        [–]Starter91 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                                        Are you talking about NAWALT here? Personally, i don't know, women seem so shallow and generic nowadays, feels same, same selfies, same dog filters, same quotes on facebook wall. I can tell you i ain't sure waiting for my own peer to "grow up" from "whoring phase" to marry her, that is for those other guys who are too desperate to be alone.

                                                        [–]onemorebrick 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                                                        How exactly was this data collected? I'm having a hard time picturing how he determined nine of the girls had cheated and even more so, how he determined one had not.

                                                        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                        exactly, all those hoes probably cheated for all he knows. I need more details. This story sucked.

                                                        [–]AnAllegedAlien -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                                        It's just some neckbeard trying to justify why they are single.

                                                        [–]LuckyForUs 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                        I think these kind of thing runs both the ways. No?

                                                        [–]crimekiwi 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                                                        I'm not here to say it's not true, cause it totally is. As a girl who DOESN'T do this, I have been mortified by how quickly my girlfriends would switch gears when their boyfriends were gone. Even funnier, men get genuinely confused sometimes when you end up alone with them and you still reject their advances. Must happen so often that they actually have to stop and think a moment before saying to themselves "does she really not cheat or is she just not into me", lol.

                                                        The problem is that nobody values actual values. They just want sexy alpha garbage. I married my husband because he turns around and pays for things we accidentally get away with not paying for from the grocery store. If I were ever to have genuine interest in another man, he'd have to be such a nice guy that he'd refuse to sleep with another man's wife anyway. I can't tell you one girl friend of mine who also felt this way.

                                                        I have way too many hilarious stories about slutty ex friends. One girl I knew would only sleep with her friends' boyfriends in order to feel good about herself, and she made this decision knowingly while still a virgin. Could totally write a book.

                                                        [–]The_Phoenecian 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                                                        Serious question, not insinuating anything:

                                                        How do you end up alone with a random dude if you have no intention of doing anything with him?

                                                        [–]crimekiwi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                        Girls don't like girls. Most of my friends were male, like most girls, usually the boyfriends of old friends that got cheated on lol. Because of this, most of my male friends just assumed I would sleep with them all at one point or another, so when we did end up alone or I let one stay over, they looked confused at me when I showed then the guest room... Lol.

                                                        In fact, the day I met my husband (we weren't dating yet but we were "taking"), one of my best friends for years made a pass at me right when he went home lol. Needless to say, I don't see my friends as much after getting married, though, lol. Not a good look for a married lady to be hanging out with guys you know would sleep with you if you gave them the green light.

                                                        Girls like me only exist when we grow up fat with older brothers and get skinny later lol. Even some really nice, virtued girls I knew fell into sluttiness eventually. Always seemed to be their thinking that it's an easy way to feel special, when really they make laughingstocks out of themselves. Will never forget my old roommate telling me she gave the best blowjobs, only to hear my buddies she blew joking about how they wished she'd stop and just spread her legs. Same girl would walk around naked when I wasn't home and my boyfriend was there. When he told me he found it awkward instead of finding them creeping around, I had to marry him.

                                                        Wow I have too much to say about how much women suck lol. Men suck too, saying stuff like pump and dump and stuff, but women are a lot more methodical and I find that worse.

                                                        [–]Shaman6624 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                        What would you call 'an extended period of time'

                                                        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                        Maybe they are following the red pill advise themselves. Hahahaha

                                                        Edit: getting more plates

                                                        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                        Yep. Actually, "propinquity" is what gets you started with a woman and unfortunately without it you tend to lose the woman.

                                                        What I don't like about it is this goddamn "wherever I go, she goes," thing when you have a gf - and when you have a wife she becomes the ball & chain. Does that sound attractive to ANY man? Fuck no.

                                                        In many ways, a gf or wife is too much like having a dog. Can't do anything without a plan for it.

                                                        If you ever get married, probably the max number of hours you can go without seeing your woman is 48 hours. Which again - is a like a dog. These bitches are fully dependent.

                                                        [–]KnowBrainer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                        It's just ovulation, right? Once a month, every woman will bang the best guy she can find in the vicinity?

                                                        [–]MrGurabo 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                                                        Thanks for the post, but what if you are in a LTR already and your girl, inevitably, travels for career or with friends. Are you just supposed to leave her for that? See other girls on the side while shes gone? Not be in a LTR in the first place?

                                                        [–]askmrcia 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                                                        This depends. Not every chick is going to become a slut because they travel.

                                                        With that said, only you can know this. Is your LTR a party girl? Does she like to drink? Does she like to go to clubs and bars? Does she like to flirt with other guys? Does she do any drugs?

                                                        If the answer is yes to any of those, then yea you may want to end it. Or you can stay with her and become a cuck. Its up to you.

                                                        I've been on my fair share of study aborad trips and not every girl with boyfriends cheated or slept around. I've been to work conferences where women had husbands and boyfriends back at home and didn't do shit.

                                                        However, I've also seen plenty of women take their wedding rings off while they are away and plenty of women admit they had boyfriends back at home either hookup with my or someone else. However, these women were easy to identify as they were the types who liked to party and drink.

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                                                          [–]askmrcia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          Yea based on what you wrote Id dump her. No way I ltr a party girl that does drugs.

                                                          [–]w_r_t 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          Deep down inside women lose respect for you when you let them travel like that. In their hindbrain they want to be captured or owned by a man and when she travels like that she realizes she isn't owned.

                                                          [–]aanarchist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          it's like what possible reason does she have to go on an overseas vacation without him coming along? if she's attached to him she'd want him there.

                                                          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          This is hardly a revelation. Lots of people, men and women, want variety. When I played rugby I went on lots of tours, and lots of guys with girlfriends went out pussy hunting. Today I go to lots of business conferences and many married men go out pussy hunting in the evening. In this respect, it's not "AWALT" but "APALT" (the P is for people).

                                                          Most guys who will say "Men are loyal" and "I would never cheat on her" are guys who have never had a serious LTR and have never experienced the monotony of fucking the same pussy for the 1,000th time.

                                                          Why do ballplayers who are all dating or married models and actresses screw strange pussy on road trips (including groupies a couple HB points below that of their wives and girlfriends)? Because they can and because they want to. Look at the girls Tiger Woods banged.

                                                          If you ever go on a foreign business trip with a group of married men, I'll bet you 80% will hook up with hookers or a ONS. - and just before and after they'll be texting their wives back home about how they miss them and how they wish they were along for the trip, etc.

                                                          [–]thetrpthrowaway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          LOL, I've got a girl here from abroad, she has a bf for a couple of years already.

                                                          The BF is successful but fat and ugly.

                                                          Long story short, she has cheated on him with a friend of mine. Almost cheated with me too.

                                                          The poor guy is posting on her IG with hearts and kisses while she blows my friend's cock and getting drilled by him.

                                                          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          As long as this girl successfully et themselves pregnant they will for sure come For those child support money

                                                          [–]itsawomensworld 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          Tldr men and women cheat on vacation. Yep don't trust your BF or GF who travels without you.

                                                          [–]bkk123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          I mostly live in tourist destinations and meet lots of "I have a boyfriend" girls in clubs that are DTF but want you to absolve them from the guilt by gaming them anyway, making it "your fault", which is why they tell you their relationship status in the first place.

                                                          [–]eccentricrealist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          I posted about this years ago here but when I went to Germany for three weeks literally everybody cheated because their "SO's" were back in Mexico. I never trust girls who go on trips, especially if they do it very frequently. Especially if they don't even get enough income as to actually travel that much.

                                                          [–]Aaronindhouse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          Read Rollo's second book. It will help you understand Tom's experience.

                                                          [–]summersss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          Girls get wanderlust too. They take a step outside their home city and its like they are hypnotized.

                                                          [–]tbu987 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                          No wonder the wife isnt allowed to go anywhere far without her husband.

                                                          [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

                                                          Friend goes on a large group trip overseas, watches as hardly any girl cheats on their boyfriend. If you saw this title, assuming story was true, would you even click it? Would you upvote? Would someone even post that kind of positive info?

                                                          [–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                                          So. Probably an unpopular message here, but isn't "Tom" part of the problem if he's hooking up with women that he knows are involved? Integrity is a binary thing. You either have it or you don't. I don't see being "the other man" as good. If you stretch it - it's less bad than being the one being cheated on. But that's less bad, not good.

                                                          [–]InfernalSpirit -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

                                                          Men cheat on women too. You nor your friend had an "Awakening" you just an pitiful and angry man who has a deep seeded hatred with women.

                                                          [–]Shaman6624 -2 points-1 points