971
972
973

Rant/Venting"I'd hate to have to settle for a mediocre man" (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by [deleted]

At a family dinner last night I was discussing marriage with my 20 year old sister. She is convinced that she never wants to settle down like most women her age and is wasting the best partner-finding years of her life "having fun". She dismissed my claim that she won't be wanted once she hits the wall at 28 and she said "I'd hate to have to settle for a mediocre man", referring to one of her friend's boyfriends as mediocre. This "mediocre" man has finished an apprenticeship and is earning good, honest money yet is considered mediocre by my sister who is earning far less than this man and won't surpass it in her career.

What makes it worse is that my sister feels she is entitled to top shelf men when she genuinely has NOTHING to offer. She never learnt to cook or clean (like most women of this generation) even though I have recommended her to learn this on many occasions. She expects the man to do this. Furthermore, she has admitted to not wanting children; confirming she has NOTHING to offer to any man, yet only demands the highest of men for her.


[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table 1174 points1175 points  (126 children)

Here's a little exercise, if you wanna witness cognitive dissonance: Ask a woman what she wants in her ideal man. Let her list all the attributes. When she's done, ask her what she brings to the relationship and why she deserves said man. Sit back and watch the hamstering.

[–]tuyguy 257 points258 points  (36 children)

They don't understand. They don't want to know and they therefore don't know because they bend their perception of reality around what they feel to be true.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 148 points149 points  (29 children)

All they need to do is 1. be good hot and 2. not be a slut. Cooking and cleaning is a great plus.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 147 points148 points  (18 children)

You have very low expectations of the people in your life if all you want is a chick that is hot.

[–]yaysmr 186 points187 points  (2 children)

Not quite what he said. The reality is that if a girl is hot and not a slut (read: able to pair-bond) she is GUARANTEED to get a man if she chooses.

That is what has happened to societal expectations of women. A man used to be able to get a hot, loyal(ish), useful wife.

Nowadays she just has to be hot and loyal and he'll just pay someone to cook and clean.

[–][deleted] 50 points51 points  (1 child)

Those thirsty betas are the mediocre men in this situation, ironically.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 42 points43 points  (6 children)

Or people have never met these expectations before. I can live without a girl with a beautiful personality. So long as she's of good genes and doesn't cuck me. Hence number one and two. I can get the company elsewhere, like friends, family, my dog.

Have you met a girl yet that met these expectations? Haven't you noticed that women have dropped the ball ever since they believed they were the most amazing generation on earth?

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 16 points17 points  (3 children)

I find mainly self powered Fleshlights™ they believe they deserve the best, but only offer pussy as the reward. I can get the pussy anywhere, it's not a rare resource.

Honestly I'd like to have a girl who takes care of herself, looks good as she ages, doesn't bring drama, supports herself, and doesn't want nor have kids. I'm fucking girls and giving zero commitment in return, what's that tell you about the girls out there? They're not going to get me all to themselves, they don't get my resources, strength, nor protection, they get fucked and precious little more. It's all most of them are worth

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

As I get older, I do find it amusing. By anyones standards, those are almost laugably low.

Yet, I look around, and the amount of women who can meet them shrink. even by 30, it's almost like you're asking for a unicorn. Be pleasant, be stable, go to the gym and put down the candy.

HB9 woman you've just described

[–]LOST_TALE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you have to clean fleshlights, too much trouble it seems, never used

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. Women think I am devastated at the loss of them when they break as a plate or I ghost. But to me the replacement is pretty much identical if not better. While a woman who has to replace a guy who is on the Alpha scale, has to deal with a guy who is always different in personality. Alpha men are fine tuned computers with lots of unique data. Women are like a nice factory produced car. It's pretty but when you crash your car it's easily replaced with insurance. You won't notice the difference. If your trusted computer breaks all your data is gone, your settings. Even if you get a new computer the exact settings are hard to recreate. Even more so for your data.

That's why the loss of an Alpha is so heartfelt for a woman and for that Alpha the loss of a woman is not. Beta men however are easily replaced, so don't be boring factory setting beta.

[–]King_Neptune07 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Women and men have both dropped the ball. Have you seen some of the wet towel type guys that pass for a man nowadays?

Both genders need to seriously step their game up. Stop being a pussy. Stop being fat. Become interesting.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very true. Both have. Though we here at TRP, natural Alphas and those alike have picked up their game. So we are in a position to judge those who haven't.

[–]Unnormally2 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's more that they can find someone who has those low expectations without much difficulty.

[–]DontTreadOnSnek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In fairness he said cooking and cleaning would be a plus - what more do you need a woman for?

[–]4skinlicker 0 points1 point  (4 children)

You have very low expectations of the people in your life if all you want is a chick that is hot.

All I want is a chick. Doesn't even have to be hot

[–]ChanceTheEMT 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Then you really need to work on yourself first and find some hobbies, learn some skills, get in shape. If all you want is a chick, 1) you reek of desperation and dry out the wettest pussy and 2) you're going to get fkkd over (see 1)

[–]4skinlicker 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Thanks for the normie advice retard.

I volunteer, I go to school, state qualified emt, target shooter,and I go to the gym 3x a week.

[–]ChanceTheEMT 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Sounds a bit like me, but you're thr one saying you need a girl, any girl. That's pretty fucked.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Expecting anything else from a woman is a great way to a big disappointment.

You can be sure if she's hot or not. Anything else you can't be so sure about.

[–]MichaelTheCycle[🍰] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

That's fine for a trophy wife, but if they want to have a "partner", and not just a husband then they shoukd be able to offer something more. Intellect, or financial equivalence to the man, etc. This post is great because it displays the stupidity of the double standard girls have. The girl should be able to offer something REAL to the man, besides just being fuckin hot or whatever. Otherwise she can just find a sugardaddy or be a gold digger; who the fuck cares.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 16 points17 points  (1 child)

The art of being hot is lost upon women as much so as they fail to act feminine. Intellect is nice and some homely skills are to. But it's much more important that you have a woman who knows how to be feminine. This entire board always whips men into shape about being dominant, masculine and attractive. But simple things like having a good hourglass shape and acting female are lost upon women to. For now most men tolerate this because pussy.

But once you've got a couple bitches down you will crave to be with a real woman. One who doesn't curse like a drunk, walk like a boy and the behavior of a thug.

[–]ytfromsnwcrsh 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I really dont mind them cooking or not. If she can fry some eggs and make me breakfast thats ok. I can cook real nice and they wont cook better than me anyway, so thats not a factor. Cleaning is another matter, tough, a woman should be able to clean after herself when in my place and I like a clean environment when I`m at her place.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cooking is a womans job. When the man is truly working in whatever area. Asking him to cook a varied diet is a major distraction. Meanwhile women are not expected to work on the top off a given field.

So they should contribute in the house. When the family machine works at it's best it's complimented by eachother. The man works his job, the woman works the house and kids, the kids work to become either a man or a woman. There's synergy.

Right now we have guys having to do it all while women sit on their phone Tindering, cheating, scheming and making nude pics for some colleague or drug dealer. This doesn't work. The man's work output and realistic SMV will drop and the family will shatter.

So long as women don't pick up the ball I will cook, I will do it all. But I will devote zero time to her. That time where I would have is now spend picking up their slack.

[–]OmegaMan2 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Although my girl friend (now wife) had big tits, was quite pretty, tall and slim, she tried so very hard to show me what a good wife she would make. Her cooking skills were quite good and her place was always spotless. Needless to say we got married and life has been quite good ever since.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Shouldn't get married dude. But I hope it works out for you. Sounds like she atleast has some insight into the female red pill and ain't some beta slut.

[–]OmegaMan2 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Thanks. It's 20 years and counting so here's hoping. On the other hand so many of my friends and relatives are divorced that its scary. I often wonder why our marriage survived when so many others didn't.

One thing I did notice was that my wife is still very proud to be my wife and has always supported me, that is we followed the traditional gender roles.

I've always maintained that while you have to be kind and decent to your wife, you must always be the man in the relationship.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's amazing considering that women lose the fee fees around the four year mark. Although my guess is that your wife comes from a different generation and wasn't as fucked up. Girls from my age are ruined beyond repair. Nothing of value is lost when you ditch them.

One thing I did notice was that my wife is still very proud to be my wife and has always supported me, that is we followed the traditional gender roles.

One guess I would make is that the current generation of women is ruined because of culture, expectations, social media and exposure to sexual entertainment. The problem is that once you give someone an addictive substance, even though it's bad the person will keep using it. The degeneracy of modern women is something like that. They know that all the shit they do is bad, but it feels so good sometimes and then when they feel bad it only accentuates the emotional highs. They are far more emotional than your traditional woman from back in the day.

The guys who grow up now will grow up in a dystopia of love where there is no such thing and everything is corrupted. Hilariously enough it's the women who will suffer. The moment a man accepts that commitment ain't possible he will switch to the 'seed many eggs' strategy. Hence plating, men will still have sex. But to women, they will grow up isolated, alone and without a family and it is they who have the most trouble dealing with this.

[–]hawkeaglejesus 57 points58 points  (5 children)

What I've learned is that men's brains have the ability to hold two or more ideas at the same time. Women's don't. To be able to comprehend logic you have to use an "if, then" process.

As a man, you understand "if she wants a high quality man, then she has to bring something to the table", but women can't comprehend that statement. They only get as far as the first half, "I want a high quality man" before their brains are operating at 100% capacity.

[–]DiriSosPwa 77 points78 points  (2 children)

Did you seriously write this with a straight face?

[–]En-Zu 28 points29 points  (1 child)

I'm willing to bet he was smiling or laughing ha

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 40 points41 points  (0 children)

I know I'm smiling reading it. Even if that isn't the process, it's exactly the appearance.

[–]Dead__Hand -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Even imagining an if/then statement isn't technically holding two ideas "at the same time". You imagine the "if" clause, then imagine the "then" clause. There is a progression forward in time, such that you are only imagining one, then the other.

As well, if/then clauses are a singular proposition, with a single truth value.

Juuuuust saying.

[–]OracleofFl 150 points151 points  (28 children)

I do something very similar. I ask the woman to describe a theoretical woman's characteristics that would be a match for Mr. Everything. Then I ask, "Does this describe you?"

Women think they have the right to a Mr. Everything because they are Alpha Widows. Some Alpha Chad banged them and ghosted them after a drunken fraternity party in college and they rationalized it is "I almost landed an Alpha Chad and can next time."

[–]wheresMYsteakAt 17 points18 points  (2 children)

"The one that got away." Meanwhile Chad doesn't even remember the night.

[–]ChadManning1989 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Of course I don't remember... I was fucking Drunk!

[–]joh2141 40 points41 points  (0 children)

I don't even know if these hamstering women are even smart enough to correlate that kind of thing. I feel like they're literally just parroting a line from some rom com they saw.

Seriously just because I banged that really hot chick way back when (seriously I did) doesn't make me a 10 today. It just made either that girl back then seriously dumb/too horny OR she didn't know where she was valued at if I'm not a 10. Yet I'm the evil fucker because I subbed to TRP but a girl demanding things way out of her league is A-OK.

Just replace the girl with a guy and have him try to justify that a girl way out of his league is into him. You'd laugh at him even if you're not trying to be a dick because of how ridiculous that is. Meh but it's important to remember not to get resentful/bitter over it. Important to see these examples to help unplug people but not letting it get out of hand and becoming full on MRA rally.

[–]TheReformist94 30 points31 points  (22 children)

As much as I agree with everything on this sub,and OP etc, there are only two options for a woman. 1) lower your standards 2) be in a harem as there's mathematical not enough men per woman to satisfy hypergamy as 80% are not viable.

The other issue is that women are simply not attracted to most men. So them lowering their standards isn't quite The same as a man going for a 6 or an 8 because we are actually attracted to 6s sexually. A woman is biologically repulsed by anything below an 8. The only way she can be happy is if she doesn't know better,I.e enforcing monogamy and prizing virginity til marriage.

Saying this man has a career apprenticeship is not rele an argument as it pits a mans RMV against a woman's SMV. RMV/Beta qualities to not make a woman tingle like a 6 gives us a hard-on

[–]fuckeduphomebody 18 points19 points  (21 children)

A woman is biologically repulsed by anything below an 8? Sources ?

[–]Docbear64 24 points25 points  (6 children)

There's an old post about OKCupid where it basically shows that men rate 50% of women below average ( Left swipe) by comparison women rate 80% of the men below average. I would search OKCupid in this sub and see if you can't find the post. It was based off one of those date reports OKCupid releases every few months that shows dating trends.

[–]fuckeduphomebody 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Thanks Man. I would love to have the sources.

[–]OracleofFl 14 points15 points  (2 children)

[–]fuckeduphomebody 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Fuck me.

"As you can see from the gray line, women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium. Very harsh. "

And then : "the average-looking woman has convinced herself that the vast majority of males aren’t good enough for her, but she then goes right out and messages them anyway."

Well fuck.

Thanks for sharing man !

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I loved that.........it's why I stay off of online....I can be top 20% in meat space, but no way online....I leave my profile up to torture the cat colonists, though.

[–]1swaglordobama 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women use your photos to judge your lifestyle. Physical standards are near nonexistent. Basically, you can be fugly but live a dope life and girls will want to know you and be a part of it. Most girls are bored, most men are boring.

The default for women is abundance; there is no shortage of dick. A lot of girls hop on dating apps when they are horny want a casual hookup, then suspend or delete their accounts.

[–]marplaneit 13 points14 points  (11 children)

Not OP, but I would woman are biologically repulsed to every man is 2-1 points lower in her SMV. These goes economically and phisically. A woman who is somewhat a succesful lawyer will never settle down with anyone who doesn't have a high reputation work.

[–]fuckeduphomebody 10 points11 points  (8 children)

oh right. I know what you mean.

You mean a lawyer could settle down with his assistant. However, a woman who is a lawyer will not settle with his male assistant.

Yet, there is a study showing that both women and man watching some erotic images are equally attracted in a sexual way. So, I guess a woman IS NOT "repulses by anything below 8". There are like us attrated to 6s.

[–]fromthecrypt8 10 points11 points  (7 children)

Yes, visually, but what about the second she realizes he is "only" an assistant (and she's a lawyer)? Her attraction will then likely drop in comparison to a situation where he would reveal he was an investment banker or lawyer or doctor or whatever.

A female doctor who marries a male nurse, has - in her own eyes - settled, at least attraction-wise. Relationshipwise she may have won, because she can cuckold him if she ever gets a shot with someone better, and divorce-rape him if he acts up about it. Of course this female doc will rationalize the entire behavior in her own way so she wont be amoral in her own view.

[–]1swaglordobama 4 points5 points  (5 children)

You're looking at the surface.

Yes, for a long term partner she will be very picky. (As a man you should be, too). For casual sex, not so much.

If you are jobless the one thing you CAN do is get laid lol.

Emotional attraction is much more important than physical attraction for women.

You can be a one legged homeless midget with 3 teeth and a micro dick. She will dismiss all of your shortcomings if you are emotional crack.

[–]fromthecrypt8 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Exactly my point. I thought that was clear when I used the cucking example to connote the relationship context.

[–]1swaglordobama 0 points1 point  (3 children)

My point is she won't enter a relationship with him to begin with. He is a guy who doesn't count, aka fuckboy. Two people using eachother to get off.

[–]Dragon_Garoo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Seen this in action; mixed aboriginal/european lawyer. When I met her, she was talking about her fiance, how she needed to 'make more native babies' (laudable - increasing your tribe, so to speak). A few months later (and after hanging out with some prostitutes... long story, but working on some of their rights issues) she is is the marital breakup cheater... found a high value dude whilst on holiday in Cuba. Relationship lasts a few months, she's knocked up and she doesn't care about her native guy anymore. Why? Well he sure wasn't better than a lawyer!

Jordan Peterson talks about how women always seek someone of higher SMV than themselves. This is an AWALT situation.

[–]ShakaLeonidas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They also are very wary of men 3 pts or higher than them in SMVether seen a 5.5 Female get approached by or engaged in a relationship with an 8.5 or better guy? They get shellshocked. Its like aiming a Missle at a gerbil. They practically shit themselves anytime anything's said to them. Its intresting to watch.

[–]majorbollocks 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah i would also like to see some sources for this

[–]DextroShade 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They don't understand that men don't consider every pump and dump to be LTR material.

[–][deleted] 42 points43 points  (2 children)

they don't view reality this way. to a woman, her value is based on the men that she attracts, not any objective traits of her own. and when she goes on social media and has hundreds of orbiters sniffing her ass, that's why she thinks she's amazing.

[–]Dragon_Garoo 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This, this, so much fucking this. It's why they are ALL on socmed 24/7. Insta/FB/etc., etc. So many thirsty men, their ego's are constantly pumped about their actual value. What they don't get is they are just being seen as something to pump. It's why a 4 with makeup gets 150 likes and 'ooh so sexy' and 'them lips are stunning!' and 'ohh your hair looks great!'. And they believe it. And of course they do. There's a plethora of guys on Tinder willing to fill them up.

I've told several women when thet get upset about the word slut: Hey, we love sluts. Guys are mostly sluts. Nothing wrong with them, if you're upset with the phrase... then don't be a slut. And most importantly, know that we don't want to be with a slut.

Watch the hamster spin on that one.

[–]LOST_TALE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

switch the sexes can't even process.

[–]yomo86 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Tried it many times. All said 'love' or 'me'. As love is something you have to chip in hard cash to get it quite contrary to the BP narrative.

They know the only valuable thing they have is their body. Yet, it is so ambigiuosly phrased that it is the man's fault for not offering hard coin for the 'personality' of a 30yo used up slut. I came to terms with it and bought some cat food stocks just for shits n giggles.

[–]dawgsen 52 points53 points  (5 children)

This might be a good test for a female family member to maybe open the eyes a little bit. Will hopefully get to try some time in the future.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 63 points64 points  (3 children)

I sort of did this to my sister once. I swear to god, on a stack of bibles as thick as Lena Dunham's ass, she said it was because (famous actor) hit on her once. I suspect it was the wine that accelerated that gem past escape velocity to get past the hamster-shield.

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

and "hit on her" was probably just talking to her, lol.

[–]BigBrotherZiggy 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I think of trying to help female relatives in that sense, but most of the time it's a waste of energy. A female cousin of mine is nearing 40, obviously post wall, never had any long lasting relationship, is a careerist, spends all her money on stupid shit, gold digger, has nothing to offer and still thinks she'll get a rich husband(that's the only attribute she cares about). Then the 20 years younger me tries to put some sense in her head but it's like talking to a rock. You might want to help family, but AWALT

[–]recon_johnny 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I guaran-fucking-tee you she will change her goals the closer o the wall she gets. I've seen in it my family at least a half dozen times.

The slut goes into monk mode, never to be seen again. The feminist suddenly loves children and a career is no longer that important. The trad-life woman gets married by 25 and has the most stable marriage.

[–]xeroblaze0 33 points34 points  (6 children)

This is good advice for everyone in general.

I've personally seen it happen where guys say the exact thing, that they expect XYZ from girl but offer almost no comparable value. This sums it up both ways nicely.

[–]joh2141 36 points37 points  (3 children)

Yeah the "I deserve the best but I bring nothing to the table" attitude is rampant because rom coms and stupid sitcoms fill people with the idea that they deserve the best of everything despite not even being a catch or even being a good company in every way possible EXCEPT for sex. Which begins the cycle of how women think they're being treated unfairly and looked down on but that notion was actually pushed by women to begin with. The current modern world we live in? No better place to be born a woman where you basically get nepotism in job hiring process but despite that the women who are still lazy STILL talk like this. Advantages have been stacked in women's favor and a lot of women are just wasting it away like OP's sister.

[–]HS-Thompson 30 points31 points  (1 child)

You want to know the funny part? They're not even good at sex.

I know some women who don't have much to offer but being decent company and wild as all fuck in bed, up for anything, toys, role play, you name it. Like savage seductresses. They're always on the arm of wealthy successful men, going to interesting parties, and so on.

A girl that's amazing in bed is actually worth something. Being actually good at sex is actually pretty solid as a female gameplan.

The women we're talking about her are literally not good at ANYTHING at all and still think they deserve the best. It's literally delusional.

[–]joh2141 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thing is though I'm not sure if it's fair to expect women to bang like porn stars when they're not (only reason why I say this is because we as men know it takes time and effort to become an expert unlike some women who have unrealistic expectation that being an expert should come easy as breathing to alphas). Like for instance, if you marry a young girl who has a small partner count but is well aware of how hot she is, she's not going to be good at sex. She's going to suck. Yet in the market, she's going to valued way better than most of your partners because 1. she's young and 2. she's open to influence. Usually these two factors will outweigh every other traits BECAUSE you can always learn to cook or you can always just hire someone to cook if you're financially stable enough. There's just no need for women to learn cooking or any household skills OR even skills that contribute to being in a couple when all men are looking for is youth and easy to manage. This is why ugly as girls who barely manage to be a 5/10 instantly becomes a 7/10 because older ugly loser guys just fawn over them.

in THAT sense, I guess men have just as big a burden to bear in causing the current state of affairs. But women can always be taught cooking, how to have sex, etc. They can't be taught to be younger or hotter

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They think that they deserve it because of their education and career. It's a very masculine mind set

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Glad someone pointed this out. Guys aren't any different, it's just that society tells the fat, ugly, useless girl that she deserves a 6'5" man with washboard abs and a 6-figure income while laughing at her male counterpart.

This is why TRP is far more about equality than feminism ever was. We recognize that women are people too and most people suck.

[–]LTDlimited 12 points13 points  (0 children)

And god forbid you as a man say you'd like a woman who's inexperienced, that makes you literally the Hitler of Misogyny.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Meanwhile, inside her coconut there is a small furry creature that keeps repeating, "Just don't say 'pussy!' Just don't say 'pussy!' Just don't say 'pussy!'"

Inconvenient truth.

[–]hoomAn12345 1 points1 points [recovered]

The sad thing is a girl like this guys sister and many other low value girls I know want the top shelf men because "top shelf" men don't know how to market their value properly. Even the most basic and low value women have been hit on by beta guys to the point that their compliments inflate a girls self value to astronomical proportions. I know beta bux men from Harvard, Georgetown, Yale, and many other top tier schools. Doctors, lawyers and businessman. All of them follow basic pathetic low value women relentlessly, just because they are attractive and thats their only value. Boosting your bottom of the barrel woman's self value by a lot. When these women get a dose of reality at 28, they tend to go from dating to marriage within months. It's ridiculous.

[–]Lucien78 5 points6 points  (2 children)

""top shelf" men don't know how to market their value properly."

Big problem, but that's because they spend like a decade being treated like shite, working their ass off for nothing while their female counterparts engage in a decade long consequence-free fuckfest with worthless dudes. At that point you've internalized the idea that you're at the bottom of the totem pole sexually, at least.

[–]hoomAn12345 1 points1 points [recovered]

There could be a number of reasons. Working hard is not necessarily for nothing. Working hard (and investing in yourself) is what yields success. For instance, I know this doctor who worked his ass off for years and ultimately he is settling for this low value female. The low value female was a plate of mine. She just ended the cock carousel with me after a break up and wanted more than just what we were. I politely declined. So how does a slut see an ex FWB? As a friend, and she very openly belittles the doctor's appearance to me, his older age, the fact that she can get any guy she wants, and "there might be someone better out there for her". Meanwhile, the doctor thinks he won the fucking lottery. He thinks treating women like a gentleman and like a nice guy like his father did is the way to go. So a case of beta leading the beta. A solid, good looking, high value male with an inherent beta mindset results in a poor self perception of value. The affirmation that internalizes that "you're at the bottom of the totem pole" is when one, who is a high value male, acts like an emotional beta and gets treated like the nice guy he is, regardless of what they do (you could be homeless and have frame and be alpha -look up the homeless dude in NYC who lives in his one night stand's apartments). If you are a beta bux male, you will get valued as one and once you get treated like shit because of it, then the internalization happens. It's a matter of perspective imho.

[–]Lucien78 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Working hard is not necessarily for nothing. Working hard (and investing in yourself) is what yields success."

Yeah. When I said working their ass off for nothing, of course I don't mean nothing in the long-term. And even in the short term I'd rather work my ass off than be lazy. I simply enjoy it more.

I meant that they don't get any immediate rewards for it though. It's an austere life. You work very hard all week and probably don't have time even to go out. Most people around you are "having fun," and you are not.

But yeah you're right that there's a strong element of mindset to it. Although if your mindset is substantially divorced from your reality, then you are just something of a mental case.

What I really don't get about guys like that doctor, is not being able to tell when a slut is a slut. I mean, not inquiring or being interested in a girl's background. Sure, they're going to try to hide it -- but why wouldn't you try to figure it out?

Is it that there's simply no alternative to wifing up a slut, if you're going the traditional route at all? Because there's nothing else left (for most guys outside of strict religious communities)? But if I was outside of a strict religious community, or didn't have some very good recon on a girl's background, I would never go the marriage route in the first place. I just think if those are your options, 1) wifing up a slut, 2) not getting married at all, it's obviously 2) you should choose. It's a no brainer. And it doesn't matter WHY those are your only options (e.g., because every girl is a slut now).

[–]DextroShade 10 points11 points  (1 child)

She brings her vagina that has had dozens of men cum in it already. As far as she is concerned that's all she needs to get a top tier man, because feminism and body positive.

[–]Lucien78 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hahaha! "Your vagina that dozens of men have already bust a nut in"

Yeah, when you put it like that, it's really not much to offer.

[–]NoMorePoliticsPlease 13 points14 points  (3 children)

It's really simple for me. My ideal partner is someone who I'm emotionally connected to and drawn towards. Someone who I can tell anything to without fear of judgment, and who will be equally open and vulnerable with me. I want to know his or her life as if I'd watched the whole thing as a movie. Someone I feel a sense of oneness with when we kiss. Someone who will face the challenges of life with me as a team, and support me when I fail.

I bring that same companionship, support, openness, and earnest love. I bring the ability to see and be seen without judgment.

The rest doesn't matter. My longest relationship was with an obese nerd who made less than half of what I made. For the three or so years we were together, he made my heart sing and we really understood each other in a deep way. That's what matters. I still consider him to be a good friend- once you let someone in like that, even if you wind up going separate ways, the understanding and caring doesn't go away. A relationship isn't a failure just because it ends. I've been lucky enough to find this deep connection several times, and it's one of life's real joys.

[–]THEDICKDEALER 7 points8 points  (2 children)

"My longest relationship was with an obese nerd who made less than half of what I made. For the three or so years we were together,he made my heart sing and we really understood each other in a deep way."-pure grade a bull shit.

[–]NoMorePoliticsPlease 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You're under no obligation to believe me. I got a lot of "why are you dating him?!" from friends and family. Love, that's why.

Edit: Second longest relationship was with a skinny nerdy girl with cystic acne. Got the same "wtf?!" reaction from others for that one too. shrug

[–]THEDICKDEALER 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bitch why are in this sub? Go to your own space leave the men to be men. Stay in a woman's place that's if you even grew up to know what that is.

[–]Pastelitomaracucho 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Did it to my aunt a couple of days ago. I felt bad afterwards.

[–]desi_swagger 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I did this with a female acquintance, her answer "That's a good question"

[–]2Dmva100 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Expect a bunch of reframes and insults. Just keep saying 'answer the original question.' They'll probably be in tears before they do that though.

[–]brainhack3r 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To be fair we should ALL ask ourselves that question.. Many redpillers already realize this though.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Women are conditioned to believe their value is intrinsic, not earned. The response would be some bullshit about their supposed pleasant personality.

[–]Lucien78 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The messed up thing is, though -- it is, isn't it? Their value is intrinsic, while ours is earned, isn't it?

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 30 points31 points  (14 children)

I wrote a post like that three years ago called GaylubeOil's Expectation Test. I'm wondering if this is syncronicity or reactionary hate site plagiaism lol.

[–]ObviouslyRP 11 points12 points  (9 children)

Lmao whenever I see your name I think of my 70+ year old single cat lady philosophy teacher trying to convince the class that Socrates talking about love in relation to an old man and a young boy in the Phaedrus was to cause cognitive dissonance or paradigm shift. When in reality Socrates just didn't respect women (and really was banging boys) and had a relationship with his wife that correlated perfectly with the first speech on love wherein the man manipulated the weaker partner into becoming completely submissive and dependent on him.

I called her out constantly on being a sophist and debated her openly in class. When it came to the written exams I would just demonstrate that I understood what was taught and agreed with her point of view because she was so fucked in the head she couldn't remember that I obviously don't agree with her. Got an A in the class while the rest of the class failed because they all wrote from my perspective because I had convinced everyone she was shoveling shit into our heads and they were too stupid to realize not to cause cognitive dissonance in an irrational woman during a written exam.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 37 points38 points  (7 children)

Your gay story has nothing to do with anything and my username is a reference to Australian drug smuggling

[–]RedPillFusion 15 points16 points  (6 children)

I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[–]CaptainSupream 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Ok, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.

edit: going along with the movie ref ffs

[–]RedPillFusion 1 points1 points [recovered]

If I've triggered your delicate little heart with my movie quote, I profusely apologize.

[–]i_forget_my_userids 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Are you an actual retard? He quoted the movie back to you.

[–]RedPillFusion 7 points8 points  (1 child)

God damnit.

Yep, yep I'm a retard. I won't delete, and will take my lashings.

[–]Dead__Hand 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"We are all now dumber for having listened to that."

;)

[–]MrMetalFingers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When I see his name, I think of steroids...

...and that time he was on Samantha Bee.

[–]EddieJonesRFU 4 points5 points  (0 children)

To be fair the average chump would be the same, except for maybe bringing a bit more money to the table.

[–]DotishGuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

hey now

of course she deserves the best, she had her experiences and lived life on her terms. Live love laugh

[–]Pope_Lucious 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They'll never understand this. Their minds won't let them begin to process the double standard. Broken hamster wheels would explode out of their skulls.

[–]OnSkyTrees 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You my friend are truly fucked up

[–]The-Peter-Principle 107 points108 points  (2 children)

"And what are you going to be bringing to the table for this amazing guy? How are you going to keep him into you for the rest of your marriage when there are other hot girls trying to take him away from you?"

Stand back and admire your work...as hamster snaps wheel off bearings.

[–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (1 child)

"And what are you going to be bringing to the table for this amazing guy?

'Love', 'family', 'support', 'companionship'

How are you going to keep him into you for the rest of your marriage when there are other hot girls trying to take him away from you?"

' angry face I'm a good judge of character, I'd never choose someone like that. Anyway, I shouldn't have to try and keep him, if he ever strays he's a useless piece of shit and I'd divorce him and take the kids'

Stand back and admire your work...as hamster snaps wheel off bearings.

I've had this conversation before

[–]xXx420VTECxXx 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Makes me feel GREAT about the future of Western civilization.

[–]harsha_hs 69 points70 points  (1 child)

This is exactly what modern wimmen has to offer and good luck getting married to one of these. If you try to argue with her why she has to cook and clean or why she has to stop hanging out with one of her ex-boyfriend even after marrying to you. Boom, you are slapped with domestic violence and a restraining order. Don't even get me started if you have a child with these modern wimmen

[–]joh2141 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I think the major mistake in marrying a girl who always hangs out with her ex is pretty obvious but I get what you mean. Just an example in a list of problems.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 209 points210 points  (8 children)

This is the face of female entitlement in the Western world where women can do no wrong. Our feminized society is doing women a great disservice by telling women that they deserve the best and can have it all.

[–]mikesteane 178 points179 points  (2 children)

They can have it all.

For 10-15 years.

[–]Disciplinedgenius 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There should be a sub showing posts of women that have hit the wall.

[–]ObviouslyRP 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Some are smart though and game the system. My aunt is essentially an anti feminist to a degree. Married young to a high paid doctor. Divorced him after 5 years and three kids. monkey branched to my entrepreneur uncle and had two more kids.

The eldest daughter has been married to a petroleum engineer who is having law school paid for by the oil&gas company he is employed by while earning over 250,000 year. They have a kid now but he has been having serious health problems, although I believe he has been fixed up or getting better. I'm just waiting for the divorce announcement. although I don't think she will be able to find anyone better now that she's 28+ so maybe she will stay loyal.

[–]KorianHUN 16 points17 points  (0 children)

It is similar in eastern europe too.

[–]DontTreadOnSnek 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's almost laughable when trailer trash on Facebook makes a post looking for her Leonardo DiCaprio, my generation is brainwashed

[–]perplexedm 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And they are propagating it all over the world.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/education/story/home-science/1/1009273.html

A draft proposal has been prepared by the Women and Child Development Ministry regarding making home science compulsory for boys at schools. If the Union Cabinet approves it, the same will be implemented. The draft National Policy for Women, 2017, approved recently by a group of ministers has been sent to the Cabinet, according to a ministry spokesperson.

The draft makes several recommendations seemingly aimed at redefining gender roles starting at a young age, creating new employment opportunities for women as well as providing tax relief to them

It proposes that the HRD Ministry redesigns school curriculum to promote gender sensitivity as well as make home science and physical education compulsory for both girls and boys

It also seeks to encourage working women and proposes pay parity, tax exemption for women-only organisations, mandatory day care centres in corporates and commercial zones as well as housing complexes

The proposal also offers tax relief to widows and divorced women

Recommends promoting women drivers for school buses, a move that is not only likely to generate employment opportunities for women but also expected to curb sexual crimes against school students.

It is after a gap of 15 years that the policy is being revised. The last policy came in 2001. An initial draft was first issued in May 2016 following which the Prime Minister's Office (PMO) constituted a group of ministers, which suggested some changes. Making the initial draft public last year, WCD Minister Maneka Gandhi had said the aim of the government was to shift from entitlements to rights and from empowerment to creating an enabling environment for women.

[–]2comment 45 points46 points  (1 child)

What's more, if she doesn't wake up in time and ends up old, sad, bitter and lonely, she'll blame men for her predicament. Well, maybe not Mr. Whiskers and his 7 playmates.

[–]joh2141 18 points19 points  (0 children)

"Mr. Whiskers is a real man! He's more of a man than any man has ever been for me! All human men are dicks. FYI anyone who still uses the word cunt as an insult is a dick." -spinster mentality

[–]Toolman890 144 points145 points  (21 children)

My sister is exactly the same. She's 33 now and still single. She's definitely felt the pressure, especially since my brother who's younger than her now has a baby and wife and she doesn't. She did actually settle at 30, but the beta left her about 6 months into the engagement. Even he couldn't handle her attitude anymore.

The problem is, whilst I'm sure this pressure gets her down sometimes, dating is still so easy and so much fun for her. She still has a plethora of men to take her out and entertain her in the hopes of getting laid. She still goes out and gets fucked by guys much better-looking than her whenever she feels like it. She still has a tonne of other single friends her age to go out with, and even though they may not get the same attention as the group of young 20 year old girls, they still get plenty of it. It's still fun, intoxicating and addictive for them. Life is so easy for them that it's actually hard for them to settle down because they are giving that all away. So whilst you may want to masturbate over the fact that life will punish them eventually, it doesn't really. This modern world is one big playground for them.

[–]OracleofFl 57 points58 points  (2 children)

This is the whole idea of being an Alpha Widow. A chick who is a HB6 can get some horny and hungry Alpha Chad to occasionally bang them so they feel entitled to get a ring and commitment from an Alpha. Of course the Alpha is looking for a HB9 if he is going to make that commitment.

[–]grewapair 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Why would he make that commitment at all? He can just find someone else.

[–]biggerbetterjobs 27 points28 points  (4 children)

So whilst you may want to masturbate over the fact that life will punish them eventually, it doesn't really. This modern world is one big playground for them.

Lots of these guys should honestly just get over it and realize the modern world is a big playground for them too. Or realize it's always been that way if you never lived under sharia law, a culture with arranged marriages, or some other ultra conservative system.

[–]harsha_hs 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Lots of these guys should honestly just get over it and realize the modern world is a big playground for them too

There is no reason to be bitter that they can have it all and they never get punished. There is every opportunity for you too to have it all, you just have to swallow the pill and swear that you'll never allow yourself to get cucked under any circumstance.

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 0 points1 point  (1 child)

There is every opportunity for you too to have it all

Depends on genetics. Short guys get screwed in the sexual marketplace.

[–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There used to be no such thing as birth control moron. Even condoms were uncommon until a few decades ago. What's happening now is wholly unprecedented in history.

[–]DontTreadOnSnek 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You know it's bad when the beta leaves the relationship

[–]scarletspider3 25 points26 points  (8 children)

The big difference for her now that she doesn't realize is that the men giving her attention now are just looking for an easy fuck. Men are not taking her seriously like they used to. Not to mention that she's also going into her spinsterhood.

[–]Toolman890 44 points45 points  (7 children)

Wrong. She just spent 4 months dating a guy who asked her to be his girlfriend with a $2000 ring. She ended it because he was too clingy. He was looks-matched to her and owned a bar. She's not ugly with makeup on. She's absolutely hideous without it though. It's amazing to see it from the perspective of a brother. She's putting on a disguise to extract resources from men. And it works! Lol.

[–]ObviouslyRP 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This is why I hate social media/online dating. Set up a date with a chick who looked hot/sophisticated online. Get to the venue and even with a ton of make up on she looked like she got hit in the face with a lead football covered in flesh eating bacteria.

[–]askmrcia 32 points33 points  (0 children)

She ended it because he was too clingy. He was looks-matched to her and owned a bar.

Beta male. Four months and already spending a $2k ring on her? She's not going to get commitment from guys she truly wants. If she was she already would have been in a committed relationship.

And I too have a sister that's the same way. I have cousins who are ugly as shit and can still pull dudes. But guys they really want, will only bang them and not commit.

And that's when I hear "guys always use me for sex, guys are nothing but assholes, guys only want to date younger women because they can't handle someone their own age, ect...."

With that said yea of course there are women that will be in their 30s that can still gain attraction and even commitment from high profile guys (its not as common). The problem is that these women been with soo many men, soo many short term relationships that they end up ruining any future relationships. How can you expect a woman who spent her entire life sleeping around with tons of men be a good mother/wife and maintain a stable relationship? Cmon.

There are consequences for every action whether you realize it or not. Hell even us guys that want to spin plates forever has its on negatives. It just comes back to are you happy enough with the choices you make?

Your sister will soon be 40 and she won't be able to have kids soon. Soo she's in a state now where she either has to rush having kids/marriage with some smuck or don't.

And I've seen plenty of women in their 40s with no kids to know that they aren't happy.

[–]wheresMYsteakAt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Do you ever look at them when the enter the house and think to yourself "fucking chump".

[–]1empatheticapathetic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What is your epiphany from how easy she still has it at her age?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

continue to give it time... it only gets worse for her.

[–]scarletspider3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess they're just a lot of betas out there. Even if she isn't bad looking, she still has accumulated a high body count and she at the end of her biological clock. Guys that can think critically aren't going to invest in her. These betas also just might come to their senses and look for a younger chick.

[–]joh2141 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I guess it really depends on how well these women take care of their bodies. People can look young well into their 50s if they stay athletically fit and eat healthy. The whole "taking care of your body" vs "treating your body like shit" BEGINS to show in mid 20s but it really become exacerbated in peoples 40s and 50s where people can still look 30 or will look like they're 60. If they took care of their bodies, they could probably stay relevant in the single market for a while but if not, they'd drop post wall (30-40) hard. Most women who party all the time without taking care of their body does fall off hard around their 30s.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ok at 33 it hasn't hit yet but what about her life from 40-90 when she didn't have kids?

She needs to settle down real fuckin quick because a man of value is not going to impregnate a girl in the first couple years of a relationship. That means if she found a man RIGHT NOW, she'd be 35, if not 36 or 37 on her first kid. And it's already riskier to have kids that late.

Imagine her going out with a guy for a year or two and they break up. That'll leave her at 35 and back at square one. 10 years past her prime. Sure she can still get dates and get laid, but the ideal family life? nah. That shits dead.

[–]suxxos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know a similar case. The girl is 31 and not even looking for a relationship. She says dating has actually got easier for her once she turned 30, because as her career progressed, she started meeting cooler people (she's a musician) that apparently she wouldn't have a chance to meet in her twenties. She can cook too, althouth she's vegetarian, so she won't make you any meat, which sucks. Anyway, she is literally surrounded by guys, most of whom are looking for a committed relationship, but she just plays around with them, saying she'd rather be a happy single for the rest of her life, then in a relationship with someone she's not interested in. She looks really youthfull too, if you just saw her, you wouldn't say she is a day older than 23. So no wall for her soon.

[–]geldersekifuzuli 37 points38 points  (1 child)

It sounds like princess syndrome. All the world owe her respect and love!

[–]Shakydrummer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Princess Complex is so frustratingly common too.

[–]Docbear64 105 points106 points  (29 children)

AWALT moms and sisters also apply.

I remember long before TRP when I was maybe 22 and my sister was about 26 complaining about how men just don't approach her. She lived the life of a hermit , was overweight , and I suggested perhaps if she gave a dude an opening maybe she'd get more attention from dudes. I might as well have told her to go marry the first broke ass loser she could find , she scoffed so hard and went on a rant about no good men . 5 years later She is still very single , Colored her hair ( Doing something ANYTHING TO BE NOTICED) , and completely in horror that she's not married. At least now she is in the gym and shit but that sense of entitlement amongst women in this millennial age group is astounding .

Most of these women are average or below average but nearly all of them think the will pull the handsome , charming , intelligent , prince they dreamed about as a kid . If we just excluded the fat and the financially unstable a significant chunk would be tossed out , that's no even getting into the actual qualities that make a woman a decent life partner.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 38 points39 points  (27 children)

For gods sake. That's just annoying honestly. What happened to the low self esteem girls?

[–]TrogRP 70 points71 points  (21 children)

They are the low self esteem girls. They need validation alpha dick or they're a trainwreck without it

[–]1PantsonFire1234 20 points21 points  (20 children)

This. When Chad fucks them for a while they lie to themselves and say they are hot an dream about Chad. When he dumps them they lose it and quickly find another Chad. This cycle keeps repeating until they hit the wall and there's no more Chad.

[–]joh2141 25 points26 points  (6 children)

The advice post-wall women give to younger women is hilarious too.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 36 points37 points  (5 children)

They just want them to fail purposefully, out of spite. When has a woman ever give advice in the best interest of the other person? Even mothers give their son beta advice because this helps them more.

[–]joh2141 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Well some advice I heard from post wall women to other girls I thought were pretty solid but regarding dating, they're always bad. The advice I was referring to was something about how looks can't carry you, only in your youth. You need to learn to be able to contribute to a relationship or learn to be independent."

Which is advice no women seem to want to listen to considering the lack of home skills and lack of ambition in careers. With that said some of my coworkers who are female are very ambitious and it's admirable to see that shit. Ofc they are also lonely and don't have kids while wanting kids.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 18 points19 points  (2 children)

The problem with worker drone- I mean career ambition is that this is a male burden. Women are differently affected I found. Every girl or woman I know who went through a stressful time regarding school or work that didn't seem to end. They always either made bad decisions (slutting it up) or starting shit (drama). Their entire attitude changes the moment the are relieved like on a vacation or job switch. They suddenly become more receptive, open etc.

Women need an emotional outlet when they feel bad, they aren't like men. We vent our struggles differently. And the current work model makes women feel bad constantly because it's not natural to work so many hours on mundane shit that doesn't apply to them. Men might understand the betterment of society to be a worthwhile endeavor. For a woman she sees no other utility in working a job other than to get money for herself. The job only exist to serve her needs and that's why it's so unrewarding. I suspected for a while that one of the reasons women have become degenerate and extra flakey is because of their participation in the workforce. It doesn't fulfill them. Women only feel fulfilled when they work for themselves, their kids or their families.

This entire model doesn't work and they know it doesn't work, but their letting it.

[–]joh2141 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I agree with you but I have to at least put my two cents though anecdotal experience really doesn't mean shit. I'm a male nurse and majority of my coworkers are female. For sure we have our share of lazy asshats but we also have a share of really hard working women here too. Now I'm not sure about their dating life; I just never cared enough to talk to them about that kind of stuff. But when it comes to being professional most of them are pretty respectable from my POV. They work hard, they are independent and meticulous, etc etc. It's usually the aide's and techs who suck and glue themselves to the phone (does it make a difference these nurses that I respect are much older than my generation or foreign like from India or something).

I'm sure these women are guilty of slutting up or starting shit too; it's just well hidden because of how professional they are and to that degree i can respect that; just don't bring in circumcission or abortion as topic to discuss with nurses because you'll see that professionalism crumble within seconds.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 6 points7 points  (0 children)

For sure we have our share of lazy asshats but we also have a share of really hard working women here too.

Don't mistake me for saying women can't work hard. Women can be exceptional at what they are made for. They can endure long hours with the right support (boyfriend or cock carousel). But my point is that they always unwind differently from man.

When I work for my goals I am consumed, same for most other healthy men. The work itself is the pay off and the relaxation that follows is off a calmer kind. Men who chill after work generally do so in modesty and silence. But for women who are emotional creatures, all this stress and emotional bottlenecking has to go somewhere. They need excitement in whatever way they can find to compensate for the draining working hours.

And my point was to state that women often find this excitement in starting drama or fucking around. When do women cheat the most? When they are duress. When do most divorces/break ups happen? When the woman initiates in harsher times. Women will always create chaos when they are overloaded. Men are the opposite and wil look for peace and quiet when they are overwhelmed. This is why working women and working men can't coexist perfectly. At the very least the shit tests will go way up when a woman is stressed and she's back home with her man.

[–]BigBrotherZiggy 3 points4 points  (12 children)

And that's gonna be the cause of the great crisis of our time(as has already been outlined in the recent "Women and Social Media" post)

[–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (11 children)

It will be great fun for this generation of men. They've been raised without proper and normal female connection so when wall hitters desperately try to look for someone to ease their loneliness. All they will get is sadistic fucks trying to up their notch count.

The laws of nature that that everything has to remain in balance. Young men were fucked over by the current dating/feminist culture. And now women will suffer equally once they hit the wall.

I'm not one for revenge fantasies and the belief that the hot chicks will get what they deserve. But the reality of Plain Janes getting hit by their own medicine is a real one. And important to since they will play all kinds of desperate games to get a man to stick around.

[–]BigBrotherZiggy 1 point2 points  (10 children)

Yeah it's sad things must come to that but as you outlined, it's only natural. About the games they'll play: I hope feminism continues being discredited, or else false rape allegations and the like will rise, "don't want a relationship? RAPIST". Of course that already happens to some extent, but oh boy I hope we've already fallen enough, things look pretty grim already.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (9 children)

In times men create certain women and in other times women create certain men. Right now we are in the cycle of women creating emotionally distant men.

Through dating or single motherhood, men will grow up thinking the worst of women. They will be highly tuned to the unreasonability that is the hyper charged enabled hypergamous 18-23 year old woman. Then when a woman's mentality shifts to a more natural one (because they lack orbitters, attention and endless suply of new Chads) and she starts to have more realistic expectations and behavior- none of the men will understand her anymore. Even this sub prepares men for the extreme form that is the spoiled modern western woman. We have gotten used to plating, ghosting, nexting and so forth.

It's the game we have been playing for years. And just like a rabbid dog who has been eyeing the neighborhood cat for years. The moment he gets loose and catches the poor thing. His entire life has revolved around catching that cat- he won't know what to do with himself anymore

About the games they'll play: I hope feminism continues being discredited, or else false rape allegations and the like will rise, "don't want a relationship? RAPIST". Of course that already happens to some extent, but oh boy I hope we've already fallen enough, things look pretty grim already.

Well i've sort of outlined this already. Be prepared to have girls go from flakey as fuck to superglue clingy. Brace yourself for fake or real pregnancy scares. Expect to be shamed into a relationship through your family, friends or even your colleagues. She will try anything in her power to force you onto her. Where you once worried how you could keep a girl around you will now find that there's no way you can shake her.

TRP says that there will be lots of beta men ready to take them on. But I beg to differ. I think like I said, that most men have grown up without developing that part of them and they are unable to. I see it in myself. When I was a teenager all I wanted was a nice girl. And I never considered the possibility that I would slay endless poon. Some guys my age made this their mission but I remained realistic. Yet that is exactly what I ended up doing, and not because I wanted to. I had no choice.

I became the person I never wanted to become and now that I am used to it I find that I can't stop doing it. I can't even conceive what it would be like to have my life limited to one steady girl for several years. I start to imagine all the mandatory obligations like dates, family get together, anniversaries and valentines days. These are days where I am used to spend my time on me. Now i'd have to share my time with someone else. Even now I start thinking about excuses how I would dodge those days.

And I can't be the only one. Most guys I know, even those who were in relationships. Have spend a majority of their years single. How do you go back to marital life when you've gotten acclimated to this whole other way of living? For women it's easy, they need the love, attention, security, company. Women can go from loose whore to good girlfriend with the flick of a switch. It's as natural for them as it's for us to get horny. Men not so much.

[–]BigBrotherZiggy 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Tough times ahead regardless if you're single or not. Speaking for myself I think of trying to get a girl in the future, but because I want kids and recognize they need a stable family. But it's scary as fuck, knowing full well my life could be thrown in the ditch if I say the wrong thing at the wrong time. You can NEVER make mistakes, it's like being in fucking war. Recently I found out some youtube channels with a surprising number of girls claiming they wanted to live the life of a traditional wife raising kids etc. But I can't shake AWALT out of my head. I know the moment someone else gives her the tingles I'm fucked

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Exactly, I want kids to man and being worried about saying the wrong thing isn't even my main concern. My main concern is her past, her hidden skeletons and the lies they tell. I don't want the mother of my children to have gone through more cock than I have fingers. Or to browse degenerate gangbang porn while flicking her bean. Honestly I don't even want a woman who subscribes to feminism.

The moment you actualize your high SMV and start having tons of options most of the initial TRP fears fade away. Shit like losing frame or generally fear for her losing interest. The main concern starts to be if there are any actual good women left. Those who haven't been corrupted by feminists, the cock carousel or sex culture. It's very hard.

[–]Docbear64 12 points13 points  (2 children)

They were taught that they are valuable , attractive, and to be pursued no matter what . My family is Religious so the women love to throw around " When a Man findeth a wife he finds a good thing " , I always feel the urge to pull out the chapter of the bible where it talks about a virtuous woman because it makes a clear distinction between the wife who is a blessing to her husband .... and the others. Having a vagina doesn't make them special and too many women don't understand that.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You're black right? How does that play into who pursues your sister? Is it all over the board or mostly white dudes, or mostly black? Etc. And what is her preference? I'm brown ftr.

[–]Docbear64 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Probably mostly black men and I'd imagine that's her preference but she expressed being open to dating men of other races . She'd have to be more submissive for that I think though . Black men barely want to put up with black women with attitudes so I can't imagine men of other races would willingly jump in that fire unless she was hot as shit .

[–]Grmibr 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My ex used to say all the time she never got approached. We were a Tinder match that went well (and I was in a bad place) so I never saw that side of her. After we broke up and my stupid spell was broken, I realized it was because she was just like every other entitled, bitter, unhaply girl with nothing to offer. Who the fuck wants to talk to a girl who looks like she'll try to murder you in your sleep.

[–]RepostGhostCst2Cst 95 points96 points  (15 children)

Been hanging out with a bunch of early 20's past couple of years. They're all like this. No homemaking skills, no career path, and a huge sense of entitlement. It's been echoed on here before, but America is doomed and feminism killed it.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 45 points46 points  (12 children)

It's deeper than feminism dude. Feminism is a symptom, not the root cause.

[–]red_reality 1 points1 points [recovered]

The softening of men came before feminism, no doubt. Try explaining that the only reason women or minorities ever received their civil rights was because white men allowed them to have them. I recommend saving that fact for strategic application 😂

[–]2kez88 -3 points-2 points  (5 children)

Reported you. If you think women or minorities shouldn't have civil rights you're a complete fucking idiot and don't deserve to post on this sub.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

You'd be terrified to know what I really think. In the case of my comment, you missed the point entirely, however. Nowhere in my comment do I give my personal opinion on the matter. Also, if there was one sub where sjw attempts to thought police wouldn't be tolerated, its this one.

[–]2kez88 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Congratulations, you're a terrible person but you're aware of the social dynamics that come into play.

It's not thought police if the views you're spouting have nothing to do with the topic of the sub. Which is sexual strategy. Minorities and women having civil rights has very little to do with sexual strategy.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Civil rights has everything to do with sexual strategy. If sex is about domination physically, mentally, spiritually, then what happens when the government takes the place of men at the helm of the family? When a man cannot lead his family without fear of retribution from the state, how will his wife ever respect him? If she doesn't respect him, how can he dominate her and if he can't dominate her physically, mentally and spiritually, how will he satisfy her sexually? For that matter how will he even make her feel safe and comfortable?

Womens rights gained momentum after WW2. The mainstream would have you believe that it was because of the earnest hard work women put in to the manufacturing sector, but in reality, women recieved their "rights" because the alpha men never returned home from shores of the south Pacific or the fields of Europe; the betas did. The men of steel hearts and balls fought like demons and largely gave their lives for their brothers. The male demographic after WW2 shifted significantly to the beta or PTSD riddled alpha(who is equally unequipped to lead as the betas) . Women have a built-in propensity to take control of a situation when the man they are with is either unwilling or incapable to do so. This is why and how the women's rights movement ever came to be. Women didn't "fight" for anything, they just complained to the beta men and the beta men agreed with them. Is the light going off? The black rights movement followed after because the psyche of the people was now aware that the leaders of their society, white men, was losing traction. They were giving up their leadership. Cue in 50 more years of this devolution of western male leadership and you have our situation today. You have our smp, massive beta over population, massive feminist influence and complete and under inability for a man to lead his family for fear of govt intervention.

Now, I'm not saying women shouldn't have their rights and minorities shouldn't have theirs. I'm simply pointing out that these groups recieved their rights because white western men failed to lead their society. It's less about refraining from oppressing minorities and more about punishing white men for their failure to lead.

They failed, and when they did it was the beginning of the end. Eventually this society will collapse. Anarchy and chaos will rule the streets of North America and natural law will rain supreme once again. When this happens the realities of evolution, psychology and genetics will govern life and death. I'm not saying any particular demographic holds the cards of advantage in that regard, but one particular demographic did build the most free, technologically advanced, philosophically superior, safe, creative and prosperous society the world has ever seen. If they did it once or twice before (Rome), any reasonable person would know where to place their bet.

[–]2kez88 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Empires and great civilisations collapse for more reasons than because women and minorities get civil rights. I see your correlation between white men allowing others to govern power leading to bad choices and downfall, but all the other empires from the past haven't had this type of problem, or they had other issues causing the spiral downwards into chaos. To state that they only have them because white men failed and not that they should have them by default because they're a living, breathing part of the society is a very dangerous hair to split, nor do you get your point across very well.

Also, one demographic hasn't built the greatest society the world has ever seen. Different periods of time have had great empires that have lasted longer and been more geographically spread out than the U.S. Unless you're including the U.S in Great Britains empire, which started to fall before civil rights for men and women.

[–]RagnarRedbeard96 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great Britain's empire was built by white men too.

[–]tromix1 1 points1 points [recovered]

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Dude chill on the Jew conspiracy nonsense

[–]redpill5859 27 points28 points  (2 children)

Stop with the anti semitism. It's sad and the oldest form of scapegoating in the book.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 8 points9 points  (0 children)

No fucking kidding. I find this Jew hate among red pill sites revolting

[–]joh2141 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Feminism didn't kill it; it helped cement this new generation of asshats. It's good to know that not all of the new gen is like this but a good portion of them are. Will this be the doom? I doubt it. The world was always filled with mostly incompetent morons and a few capable ones. We just need better balance.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We killed it when we let them start telling us what to do.

[–]bi_winner 29 points30 points  (1 child)

She will fix billionaire perverts. This is what Hollywood says you know.

[–]LibertyIsNotFree 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had to read that like six times to realize you were scoffing at fifty shades

[–]SigmundRoidd 111 points112 points  (7 children)

Plain Jane wants to end up with a rich handsome sparkly vampire.

Or a billionaire freak who needs to be fixed.

Apprenticeship? pshh get outta here lol

[–]thegreasygerman 1 points1 points [recovered]

I believe you're citing "Sex and the City's basic plot premise."

[–]rorrr 19 points20 points  (1 child)

And "50 Shades of Grey". And like 80-90% of romantic movies.

[–]2kez88 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Meh, happens in a plethora of movies for guys as well. Knocked up, Superbad, She's out of my league, etc etc. Nerdy guy gets the girl

[–]Redpillandrew 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Literature, right. Twilight saga, 50sog, it's everywhere

[–]Amarke 1 points1 points [recovered]

Don't even call this shit literature, man.

Actual respected, accomplished, literary authors all share a red pilled-like vision of the world. Twilight and 50 Shades is best-seller distilled crap written by women without any rigorous, formal education or noteworthy experience/wisdom whatsoever.

[–]morganKxoxo 203 points204 points  (18 children)

This is the problem with all my female friends. It's why I'm the only married one. My goal was to be a good wife. To take care of my appearance and body and never let myself go, respect my husband and his leadership and learn to take care of the house and cook. Granted he helps because I work full time too, but i had an attitude of how I can serve him. And lo and behold, those girls made fun of me for not going out and partying with them, meanwhile guess who's married to a great guy and guess who's still on tinder with constant failed relationships

I'm a woman, and women need to start pulling their weight.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I wish this existed in NYC. Nothing but "Sex and the City" here.

[–]1Original_Dankster 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I used to ask women I was dating which character from Sex and the City they identified with... The only acceptable answers were "none of them," or "I don't watch that."

[–]ArthurTheAstronaut 8 points9 points  (0 children)

My goal was to be a good wife. To take care of my appearance and body and never let myself go, respect my husband and his leadership and learn to take care of the house and cook. Granted he helps because I work full time too, but i had an attitude of how I can serve him

You sound just like my woman.

I love to hear that there are more like her out there. Y'all are hard to come by.

[–]evoblade 22 points23 points  (10 children)

Would upvote you more than once if I could

[–]imn0tg00d 20 points21 points  (7 children)

But I'm wondering why she is on this sub

[–]morganKxoxo 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Followed it after watching the red pill, didn't realize it was a different thing, never unsubscribed, this post showed up on my front page this morning.

[–]Questionnaire7 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Well try to turn your girlfriends onto the knowledge

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Don't know, but she has interesting things to say so I'm happy she is.

[–]Grmibr 4 points5 points  (0 children)

To learn, like everyone else?

[–]NickA97 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Either attention or intellectual honesty. I'm sure we'd like to believe it's the latter, but you can never be sure.

[–]CortexiphanSubject81 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Upvoting you as proxy to upvoting her twice.

[–]Kingofdeadbedroom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You sound great. My conscious choice wasn't so far off, BUT my wife's concept of serving did not include being sexually adventurous or available. Throw in the demands of work and kids (+ her desire to work whether or not it contributed to net household income after childcare costs) and guess what, I had a low drama competent and caring wife but a dead bedroom. I'm not sure I can do much about that only real requirement I have from a wife (in terms of meeting my own needs) other than operating like a chad and getting it elsewhere.

[–]HenryCurtmantle 27 points28 points  (2 children)

Women recoil at the thought of home-making, raising their own children or nurturing their men. They just want to shop and drink.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Truuuu babes. Which one tonight, red or white??

[–]francisco_DANKonia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would probably just fuck and play video games if I could get away with it, so if you can get away with shopping and drinking, more power to you.

[–][deleted] 129 points130 points  (20 children)

I feel bad for women sometimes. I couldn't imagine being such an innately selfish, non-empathetic, callous creature.

[–]0signal0 69 points70 points  (7 children)

Same here. I couldn't imagine being totally driven by my emotions, never truly being happy with a partner because I'd feel entitled to someone better without deserving it. Couldn't imagine being inherently weak, solipsistic, lacking the ability for rational/logic thought, and knowing that most of what I've achieved is solely due to people treating me like a child inside an adult's body.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 28 points29 points  (6 children)

and knowing that most of what I've achieved is solely due to people treating me like a child inside an adult's body.

don't worry... despite the solipsism you were lack this level of self awareness.... you would completely believe that you were awesome and if ever you doubted this you'd put on a short skirt and find a guy to tell you how clever you are

[–]Popular_Pancake 18 points19 points  (5 children)

I know right. At least we can come here to mentally masturbate and tell each other we're so much better just for having a dick, because that's such an accomplishment of course. Reach-arounds for everybody!

If you're busy pointing out the obvious, you need to spend more time focusing on your own life and what YOU are doing to improve it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Overstatement, to say the least. It takes thirty seconds to comment/reply.

You're here, aren't you?

[–]Popular_Pancake 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Here to help where I can and learn where I can't.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Well, while I appreciate and agree with the underlying principle behind your comment -- it just doesn't apply. If you're looking just for strategy and zero discussion about how women act, visit the Rational Male or a site where there are no comment chains.

[–]Popular_Pancake 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Be upright or be made upright.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then here's a link to Rational Male blogs, where you can get exactly the kind of solipsistic advice you want.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I feel worse for the generations of men who let this happen. Those spineless fucks let it happen and sooner or later, we're going to have to rebuild it.

[–]joh2141 9 points10 points  (5 children)

While I don't disagree with you, this is kind of a bad line of thought at least for people unplugging. It turns you into jaded bitter resentful MRA. Women are dictated by emotions because of hormones just like our horniness and the things that makes guys men are triggered by hormones.

The very thing that makes us horny, macho macho, etc etc and compete is similar mechanism of what makes women selfish emotional train wrecks. You shouldn't HATE women for it. You should just learn to find ways to tolerate it and use it to your advantage. Because they're selfish, non empathetic it is easy to convince them you're hot shit. It really takes no skill at that point. You just can't be a fat fuck.

[–]BigBrotherZiggy 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Except he didn't say he hated them for it. He actually said he feels bad for them i.e. I'd wish they weren't "prisoners".

[–]joh2141 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, my comment is more towards people who's unplugging and reading this, not the guy who wrote the comment.

While I don't disagree with you, this is kind of a bad line of thought at least for people unplugging.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How would you use their selfishness and non empathy to your advantage? Im kinda new to redpill mate

[–]joh2141 0 points1 point  (0 children)

IMO the importance in every situation is confidence, social skills, and timing. You wouldn't use their selfishness and lack of empathy; it would just naturally help you out when trying to pick them up. I'm by no means an expert either so don't hang by my every word. Learning to "unplug" is what's more important to you right now if you are new.

[–]circlhat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why bring MRA's into this? They are making great progress and exist as a stop gap before red pill.

Now I believe women are jaded because they get away with things a man never would

[–]yomo86 1 point2 points  (1 child)

They are no more selfish than men. They are hypergamous as we are polygamous. Only society, the media and their ilk is telling the poor chicks that having it all is not a big deal. It is like selling love potions to young men only for women it works 10-15 years. Of course these sluts think their shit does not stink.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Men might be biologically polygamous, but when we enter into the social contract males tend to seek monogamous and sustainable long-term relationships. Any polygamy in modern society is greatly reduced from the potentiality of that polygamy because men buy into traditional systems for altruistic purposes -- and because other men benefit, they're more productive and increase wealth shares for higher social-status men.

It's easier to convince women that unrestrained polygamy and hypergamy is to their benefit, because it is. That's why there's backlash against feminist ideas.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh please look . Awalt seems true 95% of the time but we all had mothers would you not agree? Your comment comes off as hate against all women, and non-empathetic towards them, ironically. If we want more people to come to this subreddit we need to stop with generalized blanket statements like this.

[–]Lucien78 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I despise entitlement, and nothing in this world is more entitled than the "modern woman" . . . so I can't imagine not hating myself. The thing that makes me proudest is earning my own bread. Obviously I buy into the masculine value-set. It would be depressing not to have that idealism.

[–]Kingofdeadbedroom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Marry one (or several) and you will no doubt be cured

[–]aanarchist 18 points19 points  (0 children)

like most women her age she says hah. most women her age do exactly what she's doing which is choosing to be a whore. she doesn't understand or care that her choices make her unworthy of even a mediocre man, that by choosing to be a whore she is making her self a below average woman, and thus is suited for a low beta.

[–]dawgsen 35 points36 points  (45 children)

I respect your effort. And I already feel bad for the beta she will settle for, around 26-30 with his fat belly and hollywood romance vision.

[–]mateoka 1 points1 points [recovered]

I can already envision it. He'll be doing the cooking and cleaning also

[–]BullshittingNonsense 27 points28 points  (34 children)

Grateful for the pity blowjob he gets once a year and doesn't even look at porn because he thinks it's degrading and cheating

[–]1empatheticapathetic 22 points23 points  (32 children)

TRP makes a meme out of the beta. No one I know is ever as beta as they are portrayed on here.

[–]BullshittingNonsense 17 points18 points  (30 children)

I don't know, dude. I remember my first relationship in college I didn't want blowjobs because I thought they were degrading to women.

Ludicrously beta even though I did have her wrapped around my finger.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Fair enough bro. I also know many current betas, but the same way TRP talks about 'Chad Thundercock' as the epitome of the alpha male in society. We also talk about the beta as if he's 100% beta all the time in every aspect. Neither exist in reality, just glimpses of behaviour in different moments.

[–]BullshittingNonsense 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh god ya. We're all mixes of alpha and beta, but in the end you're one or the other. It's like good and evil. Tremendous shades of gray, but in the end, we all know the good guys and the bad guys when we see them.

[–]DextroShade 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's more of a spectrum than a Boolean value.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah like AWALT. My issue was simply, imagining Chad as the ultimate alpha brings us constant discomfort and makes us want to improve; there's a useful aspect to preparing for the worst situation. Imagining the ultimate beta and using him as a scapegoat gives us comfort and makes us think we don't need to improve as much.

[–]ChadManning1989 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Good, don't believe that I'm real, protect your ego.

[–]joh2141 0 points1 point  (1 child)

haha at least you learned now. But if I saw this first hand it'd trigger me. I'd pull you aside and be all "Dude... you can literally do whatever you want in your wildest dreams to her."

[–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have a friend who is exactly the same. He 'doesn't like blow jobs'. His girlfriend tells everyone to get their 'opinion' on it. She's not humiliating him or anything, she's too classy for that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (22 children)

I heard about these men not wanting blowjobs because of that. I thought it was a fairytale. Guess it was true. Come on man, we were all raised blue pill by this society to some degree, but that's a whole new level. Glad you're here now

[–]BullshittingNonsense 0 points1 point  (21 children)

Whoa man, I was decent with this girl. I had a DGAF attitude. I just 'respected her too much to get a blowjob'

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's just beyond my comprehension, but whatever, the past is in the past

Edit: ignore all the deleted replies, had no idea what happened to my phone and sent dozens of times the same message.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's just beyond my comprehension, but whatever, the past is in the past

[–]Lucien78 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a caricature. But yeah I definitely know tons of dudes like this. Fucking hate them.

[–]joh2141 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha damn. If I cook for a girl, I make sure I'm getting a blowjob that night or don't even bother. But then again I'm actually a pretty good cook so that shit ain't free.

[–]RonieGarret 5 points6 points  (8 children)

What is wrong with cooking and cleaning? You're on your own so you have to do it anyways. Without her cooking you know you can kick her out of your life anytime.

[–]1theoctopuss 19 points20 points  (3 children)

I like to look at it like this:

Cooking and cleaning is easy, but time consuming. That time could be spent doing important shit. In comes woman. She has no interest in doing hard, important shit but she needs something to take up her time.

In comes cooking, cleaning, raising children, etc.

[–]joh2141 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yeah no one is forcing women to do those works but if you have a family and have kids, the parent who isn't working as much and has more free time should be taking the burden of cooking and cleaning. Usually this meant the women did the household work. Traditionally because women just did the housework but nowadays because women are becoming high income earners as well. The whole stay at home daddy is a stereotype we may see become much bigger. There's really nothing sexist or misogynistic about that notion but women believe they are bottlenecking themselves into oppression if they learn these skills.

[–]Questionnaire7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Solid point but it goes without stating. The logic in the comment you responded to contained this.

[–]H42 1 points1 points [recovered]

Remember how sloppy most women live. They don't clean their apartment, they don't cook. The live like a slob and order takeout food.

[–]omega_dawg93 5 points6 points  (1 child)

can confirm... lived with 2 women in college. they were so nasty that i moved out after only 3 months.

and trust me, you do NOT want to know what i saw in the bathroom... after it was NEVER cleaned up or thrown out.

eeeekkkk.

[–]Ehcadroj 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ha! You bitched out. I lived with 5 women in college all wanting to be doctors or some health-related profession. Only when the black one moved in did we have any problems and that's because she wasn't properly disciplined. Literally, all I did was make her take the garbage out upon discovery and chastise her for being unsanitary. Eventually she made me a cake. The end. :D

[–]Lateralanouncer 29 points30 points  (3 children)

I love the wall as it is a great gene filter; some make it some don't.

[–]TaylorWolf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gotta appreciate the broads in their 30s and 40s who are addicted to fitness and maintain bangin bodies

[–]this_weeks_account2 30 points31 points  (3 children)

I find that after 28 (the wall, as you call it) and into our 30s a lot of women are still clinging to their high school SMV and identities.

The reality that a lot of single women don't understand is that when I see a "single" 32 year old chick with no kids, I assume she's a complete disaster and avoid her at all costs.

That and she's also probably super fat.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 31 points32 points  (2 children)

The reality that a lot of single women don't understand is that when I see a "single" 32 year old chick with no kids, I assume she's a complete disaster and avoid her at all costs.

To be fair, if I see a woman who's single, over 32, and has kids, I also assume she's a complete disaster and avoid her at all costs.

[–]iamneptuno 11 points12 points  (10 children)

she won't be wanted once she hits the wall at 28

MGTOW wet dream.

Check out the pig woman Tinder experiment.

[–]SirKermitTheThird 3 points4 points  (3 children)

28 is young, but the wall exists.

[–]iamneptuno 5 points6 points  (2 children)

The thing is, it doesn't.

For the average female, after a certain age, a certain tier of genetically blessed males isn't accessible anymore, yes; but that leaves all the other males, still, including those willing to get divorce raped.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 2 points3 points  (4 children)

what's pig woman experiment?

[–]iamneptuno 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Just google "pig woman experiment", there have been at least two of them.

It's about online dating.

[–]EumenesOfEfa 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I lost all hope in Mankind.

[–]iamneptuno 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your mistake was having any in the first place.

[–]redpillrobby 20 points21 points  (13 children)

I'm gonna go ahead and dissent with the posters on here (most of whom I can only assume are religious) who say a woman's place is in the home when in an LTR/marriage. I think the stay at home mom model is complete shit, and is part of what makes marriage suck so bad, for both men and women.

I have always encouraged my wife, since we were first dating, to work. It's simple math really. If she stays at home to babysit our kids and clean our house and cook me dinner when I get home, the opportunity cost of that if I just paid someone else to do it is enormous. Paying someone else to do that would cost me roughly $15k-$21k per year.

But my wife hasn't made less than $50k in any year since we had our child. My kid goes to daycare, which does a better job of keeping him active and stimulated, fed and rested, than any two bit stay at home mom from my neighborhood does with their kids. My kid has hordes of friends at daycare, and several "teachers" and he comes home every day not having watched one second of television, having worked on his social skills for several hours with kids his own age, having tried different foods, having played outside for extended periods, and having created art projects and having learned songs and stories and...I could go on and on about the benefits of that. And it only costs us like $200/week. Not to mention many of those "teachers" are happy to babysit on weekends for us so we can go out and drink with our friends.

Plus when my wife comes home from work we still have the same dynamic we had when we were dating. She isn't fed up with the kids, she wasn't trying to avoid depression by posting on facebook and instagram all day, she doesn't resent me for going to that job and spending time around actual adults...she's just happy to be home, like I am. And she's excited to see my kid, like I am. And the whole dynamic is so damn easy. Plus lots of extra money. So I can't complain about that.

An added benefit comes in the form of the dreaded TRP boogeyman, DIVORCE. You see, every dollar my wife proves she can earn, is one less dollar I would have to pay in alimony were we to divorce. It removes much of the sting of divorce rape for me and helps me relax.

Now, I know a lot of you think "but if she's out in the corporate world all day she'll be exposed to other men, other Chads. She's guaranteed to cheat!" Perhaps. But cheating isn't reserved for women in the workplace. Nothing will save you from that if you don't pull the right emotional levers and keep her obsessed with you, like she was when you first met. Whether she works or not you have to do that. Besides, who do you think has more time to sit around thinking about how boring their lives are and how maybe a fling with the mailman would make them feel better--the woman worried about hitting deadlines, or the woman who just changed her 17th diaper that day?

Not to mention, I find stay at home mom's to be...exceptionally boring people. My wife is at the office all day talking with...wait for it...men (and other professional women). It makes her more interesting conversationally. She's more aware of things going on in the world and she's passionate about business and loves to talk about it. Talking to my wife is eerily similar to talking to my male friends. It's incredibly rewarding. Our neighbors' wives though...Jesus Christ, shut the fuck up.

To answer OP, your sister has much to offer a man, if she stays in school and gets her degree and then takes her career seriously (as long as she still wants about the same number of kids the man she marries does). I know that sounds like TRP heresy. I know that sounds almost like feminism, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day, and I'm afraid experience has taught me that this is a better model.

(One caveat though: I still refuse to change diapers. You still have to be the man of the house, after all)

[–]Blesss 8 points9 points  (0 children)

deleted What is this?

[–]TunedtoPerfection 6 points7 points  (7 children)

Yes but see your wife is in an actual career, seems driven by a purpose and seems successful.

Most guys on this sub end up with women who's job title isn't far off from what I was offered when I was 18 and half the skills required to support it. Sadly there are still quite a few cushy jobs where women and men can make very good money and have absolutely shit for skills.

Combine this with the fact that women are starting to get very overpaid for their actual skill level. A problem arises when women begin to equate total income earned with a person's value. What they leave out of the equation is the dude needed a developed skill or get an useful degree or gather industry experience to make his 20 and hour, women just wait for the HR department to get an opening.

[–]redpillrobby 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes but see your wife is in an actual career, seems driven by a purpose and seems successful.

Yes but my encouragement had a lot to do with that. When we first met she worked in fast food/retail.

And yes, most guys will end up with women with shit jobs (if they have a job), but if you encourage them to keep that job, and to seek promotions and education, that income goes up substantially over time, as it did with my wife.

Honestly, if she earned just $1 more than it would cost me to pay someone to cook, clean, and babysit, I would still want her to do it. It would still be worth it to me by the way it makes her more interesting, less depressed, and less expensive for me in alimony if we ever divorce.

[–]imn0tg00d -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Women are starting to get overpaid for their actual skill level

Wtf? I'm pretty sure you just made that up. This kind of talk isn't what TRP is about. Your comment isn't about the betterment of men, you're just putting down women with no facts to back it up. Autism like this is what gives this sub such a bad name. Men and women are different; but that doesn't make either one worse or better, just different.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Didn't make it up, but it is the result of something that is made up... The Gender Wage Gap.

[–]imn0tg00d -1 points0 points  (3 children)

I agree that the gender wage gap is bullshit, but you just made up that they make more money than us for doing the same job. Sure, females make more as bartenders or waitresses in their 20's than men in their 20's do, but women don't get paid more or less at real jobs that don't depend on thirsty ass dudes for tips. You're just making that up.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I never said that they make more money then us for doing the same job.

I said they are getting paid more for having less skill, which is slowly but surely being proven to be true. This is starting to be especially true in tech and science fields where women are being trust into their career and schooling but barely make the grade for the required degrees.

There will always be higher and lower on the skills scale, I get that. I'm not even trying to make the point that women are typically on the lower end of that scale, because it's actually the opposite. Women are usually more centered around average where men are more widely spread across the scale.

But because of things like

  • Affirmative action
  • The Gender pay gap myth
  • Social pressure on business to be PC

There has been a rise of women getting jobs while not being the top applicant or even the most desired one.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 1 point2 points  (1 child)

women have been getting overpaid for quite some time now, especially at women run companies. i worked at one and it was by far the most toxic and sexist environment I've ever worked at.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup,

My last service industry job the dude who owned it let his wife run it. Despite the ability to make really good money in the location. Working for a 40 yr post wall "forever party chick" was a nightmare I never want to relive.

[–]biggerbetterjobs 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's so refreshing to see a post that doesn't have this bitter stabbed in the back outlook on relationships and marriage from a red pill perspective instead of simply stone-walling it.

[–]redpillrobby 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha, careful when you say that. I'm also the guy who advocates cheating on that awesome wife ;)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah being raised by the cheap day care down the street is way better than being raised by your mom and family.

[–]redpillrobby 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I literally just laid out in great detail how it's better. And "raised" really? That's the emotional term you chose for daytime babysitting? My kid sees my wife and I every day, in the morning before "school" and from 4pm until he goes to bed between 9 and 10, and we spend all day together on Saturday and Sunday. If you needed more time than that with your mom and dad growing up, something was wrong with you.

This hyper-conservative irrational child rearing doctrine that is so prevalent with the religous posters on this sub is nauseating (cue the: "nuh uh! I'm super atheist! I've heard of Hitchens!").

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Sounds like a crazy cat lady in the making

[–]NeoreactionSafe 19 points20 points  (0 children)

 

They all want to be the "Whore of Babylon" these days.

 

  • Free stuff

  • Ride the government.

  • Nice clothes.

  • Riches.

  • Men must bow down to her.

 

http://taylormarshall.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Whore_of_Babylon.jpg

 

[–]FlyingSexistPig 7 points8 points  (0 children)

She is looking at the world as it is presented to her RIGHT NOW.

Guys don't want to have babies. Guys don't want to settle down. Guys are going to make millions. Guys love buying her stuff.

This is what it's like to be a 20 year old girl with halfway decent looks.

[–]bredleymertin 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Having a career isn't impressive to women, this should be the number one redpill to swallow. "I make a 100k a year how could she not like me?" Think philosophically (stoicism) and not like a sheep about mediocrity. Don't get upset when women think you're mediocre when you have a high income. That doesn't matter to anyone not even you.

[–]SirKermitTheThird 6 points7 points  (1 child)

What? Literally women care about money and status. What are you talking about?

[–]LibertyIsNotFree 2 points3 points  (0 children)

100K isn't crazy status. It's your bills are all paid on time, buy whatever crap you want on Amazon. (unless your 401K is empty because you're spending everything)

Not plunk down on a new sports car every year money.

In many cities you're living in an apartment making 100K.

[–]imn0tg00d 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is true. I have a buddy who makes about 100k a year and he can't get laid. I make half of that right now because of a career change and I have my pick of women in a bar. Lift, get confidence, learn game.

[–]hawkeaglejesus 6 points7 points  (1 child)

What makes it worse is that my sister feels she is entitled to top shelf men when she genuinely has NOTHING to offer.

Feminism and open hypergamy in action. Your sister will likely keep getting pumped and dumped by alphas in a vain attempt to lock them down until, ironically, she settles down for a mediocre beta.

[–]kieran9323 8 points9 points  (1 child)

The 25yo privately educated, from money, fucking 18yo waitress from working class archetype can be seen everywhere. And sometimes if she is manipulative enough, pretty enough and the guy is wrapped around her finger - she can succeed and raise her social status in a way simply not possible for a guy. By not only fucking him, but marrying him as well.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only works when said chap is older and willing to settle down. I would shag the occasional lower class girl for larks when younger but they could never get a foothold because it's more of a "Downton Abbey fucking the servants on the quiet sort of thing." They would have to be exceptionally toothsome and bright to warrant making a mis-matched relationship like that public/permanent.

[–]Red_Shambhala 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Sadly, even used up shitcunts have still thousands of beta orbiters after having hit the wall.

[–]victordmor 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Congratulations. You witnessed solipsism first hand.

[–]Entrefut 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I can happily say that I convinced my oldest sister that she needed to stop fooling around with dudes who were wasting her time if she wanted to have a family and a husband she could be proud of. I told her the vast majority of guys In their 20s don't want shit for a family rn and if they do, they probably don't have much going for them.

Sure enough she took the advice, starting dating guys closer to their 30s and actually started having a real relationship with a dude that has already had his success, already played through his 20s and actually is looking for a girl to build something with. I also told her if she ever wanted to have a family with him, she has to learn to cook. So far she's in the healthiest relationship she's been in in awhile.

Lesson? Girls don't know what the fuck they want. In their 20s they think they want a lot of dick the same way guys want a lot of pussy, because they're spoon fed that they play the same role in society as men and should therefore behave like them at similar stages in life. Every time they fuck a new guy they think they're gaining experience and value like men can. It's all horseshit and it ruins a lot of women's potential for finding the best guy they could lock down.

My perspective: I don't want a family in my 20s, probably not until mid to late 30s. I propagate the horseshit for my own personal benefit through my 20s and fuck girls, steal then away from their boyfriends, treat them like nothing but a fuck toy and leave them be. Before TRP I was never wanted to do this, because I knew fucking girls for no reason drained something from someone. I just hadn't realized it wasn't from me and that for whatever reason she was the one; losing a little value, a little possibility at locking down a mate, a little attractiveness to future men... but she wanted this result. Or at least she thinks she wanted it. They think they want it, so they try it. Yet they forget humans have been pair bonding successfully for hundreds of thousands of years and the average human life span was really just enough to last until their children were adults. Biology hasn't changed, but culture most certainly has. Woman forgot what was important and a lot of men did too. TRP reoutlines what's important for men.

I'm not going to risk an A on a test because of a nasty breakup the night before, or decline a pay raise because a move across country will put me far away from my girlfriend. I want to chase the money right now, not the tail. This is a lot of guys stories through their 20s and it works out really well for a lot of us, because the girls are being told to do the same. I get to work through the hardest stages of my life and sacrifice nothing, because media buzz has made it possible for girls to think they just want to fuck. I don't have to commit shit and it literally makes them want me more. Because in the back of their head, what they really fucking want is

I get to fuck girls during a time of emotional solitude as I build myself up, then when I've built something I go right for the pool of girls that are against that, because they know its toxic for their long term health and maternal success. As a good brother I won't consciously ignore my own story and 1000000 years of pair bonding evolution. The advice my sisters get is the same women got for thousands of years, but stopped in the last 30.

There wasn't/isn't/shouldn't be a CC to ride, because if you do that shit there's a good chance you'd miss out on having a family with the best possible mate. Now a days there's just so much lying and bullshit that girls honestly think they want to fuck hundreds of dudes, they honestly think it enriches their life and makes them more attractive to men. Unfortunately it enriches their life the same way porn enriches a guys life. You really think a guy need experience jerking himself off? You really think a girl needs experience taking dick? Experience submitting? That doesn't even fucking make sense, the bigger the gap between the submitter (girl, vagina, keyhole) and the dominator (dude, penis, the key... unless you're a cuck) the more fun it is. Then over time you grow closer in experience and the relationship strengthens as sexual preferences merge.

But why argue? I'd rather give my sisters good advice and then reap the benefits this backwards movement is inadvertently creating for men who understand what's going on. It took so long to absorb TRP because I hate propagating imbalance and taking something away from people, but it's how the world works and only a dead man fights a wave. My sisters are happy, I'm happy, my family is happy, it's what matters. I'm sure someday I might be the source of some girls' happiness, but not today, today I just provide dick.

Went pretty long, but someone talking about their sister in her 20s got me thinking about mine and I have no shortage of words when it comes to advice given to family and friends. In the end I think it's really tough to be a girl rn. Shit is confusing as fuck and finding a Chad who's making the transition to wanting a family because his personal success is where he desires it, is much harder than finding a cute girl who can fit into my family paradigm.

Edit: and to actually fully respond to your post... Your sister will for sure be getting those top shelf dudes, just not for long. Dudes will fall through her fingers like sand through her 20s and there's nothing she can do about it with her mindset. Then she will end up settling for a dude who does the cooking and cleaning, but she won't be attracted to him like she was the chads. Then she'll join the vast majority of overly medicated, under fucked, under stimulated women of the western world and start chasing dick again.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're wise beyond your years. You're going to go far in life.

[–]DextroShade 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They all think they are entitled to a man with the three sixes: six feet tall or more, six pack abs, earns six figures. But competition for the attention of these men is fierce, because every woman thinks she is in his league, even the ugly ones.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 52 points53 points  (56 children)

We can sit here all day complaining about gender inequality and how lazy sluts want high quality men. But here's the thing sexual Egalitarianism means losers reproduce and so do winners.

Head over to MGTOW or Incel and take a look around. Your really want quasi suicidal chubs to reproduce and make more quasi suicidal chubs? Or do you want a world of confident funny muscle chads?

Hypergamy improves the human race by ensuring that winners reproduce more than losers. That's the whole fucking point of sexual reproduction by the way, just in case you guys forgot.

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (27 children)

Historically, most women reproduce even the "loser" women. That isnt true for men and our genetic code proves it.

Men have always competed for the right to blow sticky loads in as much box as possible and losers be damned.

You can shake your fat, cheeto colored fist at the sun for the unfairness, or you can make changes and take what you want from the world.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (26 children)

At the same time Mohammed's race continues to grow thanks to his control over his own genetic stock. Meanwhile the white race goes extinct but at least Chad gets laid and we ca laugh at neck beards right?

[–]Aktiv8r 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Yup, it's our own fault too. We're too damn smart for our own britches. Thank all your daddies' daddies for not managing hypergamy in society. How stupid does Islam look now? Lol

[–]pilljourney 2 points3 points  (21 children)

TRP has been very useful to me. I'm grateful for so many of the people who've come together to compile this stuff. I grew up without a father figure save my older brother who was only 4 years older than me, so despite my initially natural alpha state, growing up without masculine influence caught up with me around prepubescence. Then, every now and then, I read comments like this that absolutely baffle me.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (20 children)

Live in Europe for a few years, the shit storm is coming my man. To deny it, means you are in denial. When the West falls, the world will fall. I am not even exaggerating. Only Betas think the Islamization of the West is a good thing.

[–]pilljourney -1 points0 points  (19 children)

This stuff amazes me. I know most of trp seems to be staunchly conservative but I don't like to consider myself conservative or liberal. I think radical right and radical left are both examples of extremes, and they're both strange and frightening. I side with liberals in many issues, I side with conservatives in many issues. This is like Infowars level of crazy to me, feel free to hit me with the downvotes. The world will not fall with white people and white people are not the West. Also, the West will not fall to"islamization". Please describe to me what islamization is. I haven't encountered many Westerners converting or feeling any pressure to. Also, do you know geography? Europe shares borders with North Africa and the middle East. It is a completely different region and nothing that happens there due to their geography applies to us.

Or just call me a beta, that will work too. Lmao, beta and alpha has nothing to do with your politics, are you daft or just brainwashed? I love trp,I really do, but I'm glad I'm able to piece together for myself what I think is valuable and what isn't. I'm not going to buy into anybody's dogma.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (16 children)

I just don't think you have a lot of life experience dealing with different cultures. The world is what is it because of the West. Europe was the beacon of Western culture and that will come to end due to an extreme shift of birth rates, ideals, feminism and a pacifist mindset. Europe is an a constant mode of misplaced guilt. Have you ever been deployed, spent time on business or pleasure in many foreign countries? Have you seen the current refugee crisis in Europe. A few videos and months there will redpill you on it, I guarantee.

I can break down the stats, figures, radical culture change for you regarding the Isalmization and normalization of radical ideology but it sounds like are closed off. I consider myself pretty liberal but I will not budge on this especially after seeing, learning and experiencing the literal breakdown of culture in front of me.

I don't think you are beta, but you are woefully ignorant to the issues at hand. Your sanctimonious tone tells it all. Beta/alpha is more than just applicable to relationships, if you think otherwise you must not have a lot of life experience in business, networking, the military or really any societal structure.

EDIT: I was a planning and operations officer for the military and had assignments in Europe, but please give me a course on European geography lol....What happens to Europe directly effects America, Canada, Australia or any other Western surrogate country.

[–]pilljourney 2 points3 points  (15 children)

The world is what it is because of every culture. This is an undeniable fact. The Islamic golden age stands to mind, but beyond that, world history does not even come close to beginning with the Western world. That is ludicrous to me and comes off as very self important.

I have been to Europe once, and I've been to many foreign countries yes. I've lived in a particular North African, Muslim majority country in fact. Though I'm not sure you can make that guarantee.

I'm not closed off, quite the opposite, in fact. The normalization of radical ideology seems ever present in the West, including in the far right which tries so hard to fight against islamization. One is not better than the other.

You assume that I'm entirely ignorant, hopefully not because of my stance is different than yours, you've no clue how ignorant I am. You're right that my tone is a bit sanctimonious, I should work on that, though yours is clearly condescending. And just because I may presume to have the moral high ground (you do too, whether or not your tone is reflective of it) does not imply ignorance on my part.

Everybody has experience in social structure, and I admit that I have no experience in networking or the military but I don't believe either of those things have anything to do with one's understanding of alpha/beta. More importantly, you've built a strawman as it is not my view that alpha/beta is just applicable to relationships. Alpha/beta is an inherent law within nature pertaining to hierarchy, strength, social perception, etc. It's an incredibly complex, unavoidable facet of life and I do not believe one's politics are enough to determine whether or not someone is alpha or beta. Not to mention that it's contextual.

Of course events in Europe affect the West, they affect the entire world stage. I'm saying they have an influx of refugees that we have no obligation to accept.

[–]MorganTargaryen 1 point2 points  (14 children)

The normalization of radical ideology seems ever present in the West, including in the far right which tries so hard to fight against islamization. One is not better than the other.

When has the western alt-right stoned rape victims for being raped, when have they stoned anyone? or thrown people off buildings to their death because they are gay? when was the last beheading they conducted? I am genuinely curious. How many deaths are they responsible for? Can you give me your estimates?

[–]pilljourney 0 points1 point  (13 children)

I'm confused. I'm willing to answer your questions here but what are you trying to prove? That alt right rhetoric is less damaging Islamic rhetoric? That's my best guess

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read up on Charles Martel. Imagine if he never existed.

...then realize that there is no modern Charles Martel...

...and you will see the future :(

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm just not sure what you find so difficult about my comment. Do you not believe in demographics?

[–]MaltillinenNatSos 10 points11 points  (21 children)

[–]Elodrian 11 points12 points  (20 children)

Those are good posts. When I think of the "golden ages" of human civilization, the civilizations where Western civilization really flourished, I think of (in no particular order) the Roman Republic, Victorian England, the Italian Renaissance, NatSoc Germany, 1950's USA, and Napoleonic France. All of them had strong social order and valued marriage (of course there was still philandering and cuckoldry but it was shameful and kept private).

[–]evoblade 0 points1 point  (13 children)

NatSoc Germany is Nazis? I'm not sure I would cite that as a good example. If I'm wrong about that, oops.

Edit: I see you guys provided some admirable things about them that most people overlook.

[–]joh2141 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Yes NatSoc Germany are Nazis. Here's the thing about Nazis. For sure they were our enemy but if you say you can't learn anything from your enemies, you shouldn't be qualified to give opinions at all (not targeting you; I realize you said you're not sure it's not a good idea). TRP is a place for discussions. You have to be able to talk about these kinds of things without getting emotional or personal. Talk about them objectively.

One thing Nazis did well is inspiring their average Joe citizens to give a shit about pushing their country to become the best rather than selfish goals or selfish ambitions. Their ambitions centered around boosting their country and making it better.

This is probably why Trump garnered a lot of support this election despite some questionable behavior in media. I've actually had a convo with some liberal kid who couldn't understand how anyone could respect nazis ever; I told him what I just said and he actually understood the point I was making. People in a free world with so much peace and benefits make for entitled shitheads who give no shits about the country they live in or for the people that they supposedly are brother in arms of all the while chanting "USA USA" only to reap the benefits but never to contribute to the country. Meanwhile Nazi Germany had such a unified selfless desire from individuals of wanting to push Germany into a state of glory for the benefit of their own country.

I can't agree or disagree if this is what we need in America right now but SOME things about Nazis were for sure could be admired. It's the holocaust and the genocide that people really hate about the Nazis. Only the higher ups and specific members of the Nazi party knew of their existence. News of concentration camps didn't even come out until Soviets uncovered Aushwitz and Easy Company found a small camp.

[–]evoblade 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Some good points in here. Thanks.

[–]joh2141 4 points5 points  (4 children)

NP keep in mind I say this while hating the Nazis too. Understanding to be impartial and be able to discuss certain things isn't necessarily a RP or alpha trait but it is necessary to improve TRP's narrative. Kind of like how you can view an opposing enemy on the battlefield and can respect them. John Basilone's speech about Japanese soldiers is kind of what I'm thinking of. If you fail to respect the enemy just because you hate them, it is you who are doomed.

https://youtu.be/8yD_c1pnQ6k

[–]evoblade 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Cool. I will check that video out.

[–]joh2141 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The title of the video is "Slap a Jap" so don't watch it in public but it's a reality check for boy-marines who have yet to become men in the video. The idea is they have a misconception of what the enemy is like and thus is easy to hate them and not even think of them as anything more than an insect. But that's how ultimately people fall. Art of War writes about that too.

[–]evoblade 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I like what he said, you can call them what you want but don't underestimate their desire to send you to an early grave.

[–]joh2141 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And it can translate to how we treat Nazis. You can call Nazis whatever you want but don't fail to recognize their strengths and values. If you take into account that majority of Germans did not know of the genocide their state was committing, these Germans are basically in EVERY FASHION OR FORM BETTER than average citizens because of how hard they work in improving the country. I AM against some of the rise in racial matters but the point is putting aside personal feelings to acknowledge objective truths.

An objective truth is as vile as the Nazi regime was, the country was full of hard working dedicated people. THAT was what drove the success of the Nazis. A regime is really nothing without people.

[–]PraisethegodsofRage 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I'm not trying to defend the Nazis, but Sparta had many customs that make us go "wow, that sucks." However, from Plato's Republic onwards Sparta was romanticized. The Nazis were just a recent example of an ancient Western civilization ideal.

Golden ages of art/culture have historically caused a decline in morals/cohesion of society and increased individual liberty/political anarchy followed. If the opposites are virtues, then social cohesion, government control and military strength would have their golden age in Nazism/Spartanism.

It's unAmerican, but it's not not western civilization.

[–]officerkondo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but Sparta had many customs that make us go "wow, that sucks." However, from Plato's Republic onwards Sparta was romanticized.

The reason Sparta was that way was because their slaves (helots) outnumbered them by seven to one. Spartan viligence was about preparation for slave rebellion, not because they thought being "badass" was a moral good.

[–]Elodrian 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Yes, that's them. The economy boomed, German birth rates soared, they built infrastructure projects that remain the envy of the world without saddling future generations with the bill. The architecture had grandeur. The people flourished.

They get a bad rap because of the Jewish genocide and because they lost the war, but I challenge you to show me how 1933 - 1939 was not a golden age for the German people. It was a prime example of a Western nation possessed of cultural confidence, and marriage was encouraged.

[–]evoblade 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I always wonder how things would have turned out if they had skipped the racial stuff and invading other countries. I wonder if inventing a bogeyman and then destroying him was a necessary part of the whole scheme.

[–]Elodrian 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The racial stuff was central to the NSDAP. Eliminating "slavery to interest", in their words, was absolutely essential to the programme. Breaking the stranglehold of the international finance system was bound to cause a conflict between the German people and Jewish financial interests. Was there a way to win that fight without at a minimum expelling Jews from Germany? Maybe, maybe not. Given the way WW1 ended, I wouldn't dismiss this as an invented bogeyman.

I am less confident that the invasion of Poland was necessary. The argument was that Germany needed "Lebensraum", or agricultural space, to sustain it's growing population. Having seen the German agricultural system of today, I don't think that's true. Autarchy could have been achieved in a unified Germany-Austria so long as Germany held the Saarland (for iron production). The French invasion was pre-emptive; France still operated under the Nation in Arms concept and had they been given the two years they needed to mobilize there would have been a total war.

It's interesting to imagine what the world would look like if a peace could have been achieved between the UK, France, Russia, and a unified greater Germany of Austria, Poland, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia. I'd be willing to wager that we wouldn't have a million economic migrants marching into the country from north Africa.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Lol "NatSoc" Germany.... uh you mean the Nazis?

[–]joh2141 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Nazis were bad because of the holocaust and the genocide but this is TRP. We should be able to talk about questionable things because this place is meant for discussion. Doesn't mean you should start worshiping Nazis or become neo Nazi.

The admirable thing about Nazis is that they encouraged and persuaded their citizens to act selflessly and enthusiastically better the country over their own individual desires. America has peace time and is "ethically right" all the time yet our society is fragmented and divided. Our people act selfishly only, chanting USA USA USA but not contributing a thing back to the country while doing nothing but leeching/taking. In comparison to the average Joe Nazi member who did not know of the holocaust and served their country with dedication, we look like a clown.

FYI most of the Nazi's (or more accurately German people in general) had no clue about the holocaust until Auschwitz was uncovered by the Soviets. And even when it was uncovered, it wasn't news to anyone stateside until near the end of the war.

Now.. I defy the Nazi party but to say you can't learn anything from your enemies or people you hate is the epitome of stupidity and ignorance.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok I get what you mean more now

[–]Lucien78 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

You've got to be fucking kidding me.

[–]1OneRedYear 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've already passed on my genes. I can say what I want.

[–]Senior Contributoradam-l 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Either I am missing smthg here, or this doesn't compute.

My understanding is that Hypergamy doesn't produce "a world of confident funny muscle chads". It produces a world of fatherless lost boys.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Boys can learn to be men from anyone he doesn't have to be their father he just needs to be masculine

[–]Lucien78 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Except none of you are actually having kids.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 1 point2 points  (1 child)

My girlfriend is a Latina so I'm going to have a lot of kids

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Boy is she in for a rude awakening.

She sounds like she'll become the cougar who sits at the hometown bar waiting for the inexperienced and away-from-home college kids to make a mistake.

[–]Geraltski 1 points1 points [recovered]

The problem is always men. Set you're bitches right. My sister dosnt drink, dosnt go to parties every week or month, dosnt act up too often and trains and eats healthy because I made it real clear long time ago that if she gonna try be one of these modern whores she can get da fuck out of my face real fast.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Agreed. Women take the shape of what men allow them to be. I wouldn't recommend disowning a sibling, but you should definitely have serious words with a foolish sister if she's becoming a degenerate.

[–]imn0tg00d 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As a sibling, OP won't be able to do that job. An alpha is going to have to do it for him.

[–]cashmoney_x 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"she has NOTHING to offer to any man"

Well, she has one thing......

[–]DextroShade 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Childfree is a plus to many men, especially with how family courts are nowadays.

[–]Expectations1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

She may not have anything to offer, but she still wants the top 1%. Even if she is partying, if she met someone of a 1% caliber, she would settle down.

When she actually does hit 30, she may either continue to search for mister 1%, or settle down with <1 %, OR complain why there are no good men around.

Moral? Be or appear to be top 1%.

A woman is on the clock to find someone awesome, a man is on the clock to be awesome.

[–]GBP4tendies 2 points3 points  (1 child)

My friend, your sister is a THOT. And someday soon, she will be patrolled.

[–]Johndoesmith67 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bro shes 20. Her shit literally doesn't stink at this age. Let her turn 24 and watch everything change.

[–]DeeMooreDeeMarriet 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Before I comment on whether or not your sister deserves a top tier man you need to post pics.

Preferably nudes.

[–]idreamofkitty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How did she become this way?

[–]TornadoCreator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sounds like your sister is nothing more than a walking vagina for men who she arbitrarily decides are worth it, probably based on shallow reasons.

She'll likely die alone, or be knocked up by someone who doesn't give a shit about her. Such a shame.

[–]TinyBouquetTrash 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the new normal. I wouldn't be surprised if feminists tried to make dating younger women illegal in the near future.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 1 point2 points  (0 children)

she'll most likely be fine. if she has an attitude like that already and is decent looking, there are plenty of cucks out there with money that will be willing to pay her way

[–]razaq90 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The fact that your friend has just finished an apprenticeship and is earning good, honest money does not factor into a girl's attraction towards any guy and even if it did, the effect is negligible. The simplest way to explain it is by giving a mathematical analogy: there is a formula that involves general variables which play a role in any girl's attraction to a guy and distinct variables that differ depending on each girl's hormonal mix, past life experience and environment. I do not blame them for this is their nature and it serves a purpose.

Aside from the above, girls do not care how guys achieve what they achieve, as long as they achieve. Do not be fooled! If she finds out that you used a method disliked by her societal norms it will affect her attraction, but hey, if she likes you enough she will let it slide.

Since the topic is about what the girl has to offer, let's be honest and state that girls don't offer much. It is us who overvalue sex with hot chicks and take it as the only thing that girls have to offer in order for us to excuse ourselves for sticking around long enough.

Of course an example like a male's expectation for girls knowing how to cook is rendered cliched and girls don't like cliched niches of the past generation. Due to the level of female freedom in this generation, girls can get married without cooking a proper meal (I mean actually putting effort to make good food instead of just mac-cheesing one).

P.S. Yes I referred to them as girls because I see that all of the above were characteristics of most females in society; calling them women indicates that they do not have this mentality instilled in them and unfortunately we rarely find "women" in this day and age.

[–]blackierobinsun3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Learn the easy way or the hard way

[–]pootboy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This sounds like it was written by an afghani warlord.

i thought the whole point of the redpill was abandoning failed gender paradigms, not clinging to 4,000 year old ones.

a man is more than just how much money he makes, and a woman is more than if she can just cook and clean. and for god's sake, not wanting children is a GOOD thing to many of us-- I'm not convinced 9/10's of the men i know with children ever wanted them in the first place, they were just browbeaten into it.

marriage is an outmoded and repressive model anyway that ONLY BENEFITS WOMEN, so if your sister, ESPECIALLY if she's a vacuous bimbo who considers the kardashians her personal role models, wants to wait for her Disney prince, who gives a fucking shit? and if he never comes? ALL THE BETTER. one more man saved from having to move out of the house he fucking paid for.

THESE are the kinds of issues we should be discussing, not a return to the fucking old testament.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If your sister is hot, puts out generously, and can learn to not be a bitch to her husband/boyfriend, she has all that she needs to secure an above average man. A woman primarily has to offer two things to a man, a nice body and good companionship. Sex and respect is the foundation of a good relationship, not cooking, cleaning, a good income, or even necessarily childbearing.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (12 children)

Financial provision is no longer how you assess a man.

[–]mrbossman123 1 points1 points [recovered]

Women naturally follow resources. The level of resources make the difference between starving to death in a disease-ridden shantytown and having the best houses, food, medicine, opportunities and having an army of workers awaiting your commands. Yes, financial provision is a great way to assess a man to a decent degree.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I'm not saying that. I'm saying economic provision is no longer how women assess a high value man (alpha qualities), but only beta provision.

It's reflected in ironwood, rollo, and CH's material, you're more than welcome to read it

[–]Ethifury 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Can you link me some of what you're talking about?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I already Did in this thread

redpillroom.blogspot.ca is the only one not on the sidebar blogs. Thats ironwood. And if you haven't read his book "Manosphere" Then you do yourself a disservice. It's the manospheres own history book, full of a history of how men got to where we are now

[–]Ethifury 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it made by Athol Kay? And thanks I'll be sure to check that out

[–]TunedtoPerfection 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I'm sure it still comes into the picture a bit. But it is also a very good mark about where she places you on her spectrum. If you have been seeing a woman for a bit or if there is a large perceived SMV gap that she figures is in her favor she will start to bring it up.

Women can provide for themselves in this day and age. They know it and we know it. When they start focus on who is paying, how expensive(nice) the places you go are, or start complaining you never show them love with gifts is when you know they have tossed you in the provider roll and are looking for the next Chad.

Honestly if at any point you feel like you HAVE to put in more effort then

Drive over Honk horn for her to come out( or I guess text "here" is the modern day equivalent( Say "hey babe" and playfully demand kiss Go get hotdog fuck in park Drop off girl Ride off into sunset as Chad for the night

If she has shown she is worth putting more effort in then do it. But the moment she starts demanding more without a coresponding attitude change first it's an issue. First is the keyword there and honestly there should never be a demand on her part.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

do your research

Most Red Pill marriages are "non-traditional", economically speaking. That is, both spouses usually provide income to the common household. But the Red Pill also recognizes that if marital power is realized in terms of economic power, as feminism accepts, then the current trend of wives outearning husbands will inevitably lead to an undermining of the successful male-female dynamic required for a stable and successful marriage, under the current beta-building feminist ideology.

The Red Pill answers that issue by abandoning economic input as the factor by which dominance in the relationship is established.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Good read, and I agree financial power is not a trait for dominance. The wife's insight brings up a very good point about how if a women shares that she is "red pill" with other women they will scorn her and try to make her change. Seen it happen in relationships of mine sadly.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's something subtle, but important, and I've seen it with almost all RP men who have 'got it'. Your comment is 100% true, and I agree with it 100%. It's also feminine-centric. Where she places you. If she does X, you do Y. It's the kind of thinking that can warp into a covert contract very easily. And thats the trick really, BP isn't shitty because it's false, because it's not most of the time. It's that it takes a framing of truth, and moves you towards a feminine centric way of thinking, and acting.

I am a huge Ironwood fan for his writings. While he doesn't write about game (and if you read his 'alpha moves' book, it's a bit cringy) he does understand male/female dynamics very well, and frames the exact same thing, but as a masculine point of origin.

Instead of the reactive game of responding to her actions, you just do your actions, a self actualization. While you're away what makes em wet, what they respond to, it doesn't affect what you do, ultimately. Obviously, if you are a huge fan of really DHV activities, you'll want to ditch them. Not because women won't like them, but because they are generally shitty activities.

And OP isn't there, even though he thinks he is. I mean, had he read the sidebar, he would see Michael's story, and gotten to the same conclusion that his sister did. She don't need no man. And she's right. Between alimony, childsupport (AKA the end run alimony), women in the workforce, social safety net... Women have no need for a marriage 1.0 type man, who works hard and brings home the bacon. It's as quaint as saying you need a woman with a corset. Instead of OP actually taking the lessons here, he is happy to just write off chicks as stupid and irrational, when they are anything but. If anything, we are, thinking that LARPING a TRADCON life is a thing nowadays. Maybe in super rural areas, but even then. I just went back home for the reunion. They are all divorced, at least once. All of them. Even the hardcore religous, kind, beacon of a traditional life, for the same redpilled reasons that they all are.

As ironwood puts it. And the redpill answer is:Throw away things that aren't working, ditch the emotional attachment to them, and build a better system for men. In this case, the post here labeled "how to fuck" at MRP is 100% better advice than whatever OPS sisters friends husbands plan was. All that schooling, good career, money. And it repulses women to even think about touching his dick. If thats his plan, great. But he shouldn't be surprised when a guy bragging about ripping open vaginas is gonna fuck his wife while he's doing it.

And don't get me wrong. On paper, I look like a great BB too, most top tier RP men will, because no one wants to be a lazy faggot. I am under no illusions that it does any good with game though, soon as OP can ditch his illusions, he can also get to work

[–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is your sister good looking? If she is then this might be her childish way of indicating that those guys are bellow her SMV for the time being. No woman should settle for a mediocre man compared to their worth. But women should settle down. Even in old times before marriage women settled down every 4ish years to get a kid out and then moved on to the next.

[–]JuicySosa300 1 point2 points  (5 children)

This post triggered me lol I hate people like this. I hear shit like this from girls all the time at school.

[–]FruitAndNutDelight 11 points12 points  (1 child)

you're a man, you don't get triggered

[–]1empatheticapathetic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

[Insert washed up joke] How dare you assume xer gender!?

[–]2mbillion 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Stop focusing on others - the point is to control one person and one person only - yourself

[–]JuicySosa300 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I was triggered not in a literal sense. I'm not too concerned about it. I know my value and wouldn't be taken advantage of anyways

[–]2mbillion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Still enough to write a post about it. Your sister is just playing the game and she will probably end up better off than you if she even has the most basic branch swinger in her.

Worry about yourself and let the other shit roll off your back

[–]aussydog 0 points1 point  (1 child)

[–]Canedude08 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, be prepared for your sister to attempt to leech off of you when it becomes evident that she won't find a man. She's a perfect example of why a lot of women shouldn't be trusted to make decisions, they don't know how to logically approach anything. You rarely see guys with nothing to offer say stupid shit like "I won't settle for mediocre", then again, guys with nothing to offer(Thugs, etc.) are some of the ones that women salivate over.

[–]riverraider69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's mostly the age speaking. True, women learn the lesson harder and less often than man, but still - at 20 we all hope we'll land the generational equivalent of Cindy Crawford.

There was a saying - up until a certain age you feel that if you try hard enough and train hard enough, you can become one bad ass shaolin mother fucker. But at some point you realize that's no longer true. That's when you've grown up.

[–]Limeycat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Preach. Every day I remind myself why I am lucky to have my man and do not begrudge him home-cooked meals, tenderness and praise for his leadership.

I find this sub to be very interesting. Sometimes the truth about women can sting, but it's better to be aware of it and work to become better.

[–]BlackFire68 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The key is to create boys (men) that will demand a woman who brings an equal amount to the relationship and will not be held hostage by "I happen to have the vagina" syndrome.

[–]2mbillion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stop trying to fix other people.

This is not about that.

[–]SlyAM 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My sister just turned 28 and is obviously hitting the wall. She is starting to get wrinkles on her face, her breasts are starting to sag, and she is gaining weight as well. She does nothing but sit around all day, selling clothes online making anywhere from 10-100 bucks a day, but that's all she does. When we go out she tells me how she wants a rich sugar daddy to marry her and have kids with. It's funny that she doesn't understand what's happening to her. I love her but man... Women, am I right?

[–]Qerus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A prime example of inflation in sexual economics

[–]Hjalmbere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Three words: Entitled alpha widow

[–]suxxos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't see much difference between your sister, and the "I'm just a boring guy who reads TRP, but I want a girlfriend at least 8 or 9". I honestly don't get what's wrong with seeking a partner we are truly attracted to. She's still young as well. You'd rather she married first guy who ever approached her and then divorced at the age of 25?

[–]tolerantman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry but the cunt will still find some cuck loser to take care of her once she hits the wall, obviously it will be one of the "mediocre" ones she whines about so much, but there is always a loser to fulfill this role...

[–]2kevin32 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OP feel free to crosspost your story to r-WhereAreAllTheGoodMen, but use the archived link here:

http://archive.is/c5FFl

[–]1introvertp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the trick! That's the mindset to make you take women "off the pedestal" (I really hate that phrase/saying but it's relevant here.

What's experience gives you is that generally women have nothing really to offer, I really enjoy the company of girls -- I think they're amazing, but relationship-wise you get to realize that generally they're basically doing the same thing following the same patterns but they just have different faces.

[–]ayylma088 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly aren't we the same? I'd never settle for a mediocre girl either. I'd tap her for sure, but I wouldnt marry her.

[–]Disciplinedgenius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tells you something about the markets. Also reality TV and social media has fucked this generation up.

[–]summersss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

every women wants a combination of brad pitt and bill gates.

[–]GSstreetfighter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don't even have a sister. This is whole cloth fabricated from boilerplate diatribes. You are just a karma whore.

[–]CNNDoxedMyMain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't even understand why we even mention homemaking skills, they are just basic requirements to be a human being.

If all a woman can offer you is a hot body (temporary) and homemaking you will be better off with a man.

Marry your best friend.

[–]dodo91 0 points1 point  (11 children)

I get a lot of things but i dont get why people here blame feminism. When given the oppurtunity, no one will settle for an equal. Male or female.

[–]imn0tg00d 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Feminism has created this shitstorm. Don't get us started.

[–]dodo91 1 point2 points  (3 children)

You mean giving the chicks the means to pick their own partners?

[–]imn0tg00d 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Ummm they have always had the means to pick their own partners. Feminism was originally a good thing when it got women the right to vote and equality and all that. Modern day feminism isn't about that, it's about women taking over and "girls are superior" and all that shit.

[–]dodo91 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Yea so be careful with what you mean by feminism.

[–]imn0tg00d 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You aren't making much sense.

[–]SirKermitTheThird 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Males date down all the time and always had. you are delusional. Men mate up, sideways and down. Women only up.

[–]rabidoctopi 0 points1 point  (1 child)

To be fair, if as you say men date "up, sideways, and down," their partners, women (I presume we're assuming heterosexuality), must be dating down, sideways AND up.

[–]dodo91 -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

You do realize that all these social hierarchy conceptuatlization, while they are pretty good and accurate, are not MEASURABLE and SCIENTIFIC things. Yes, a lot of the ideas here show a lot regarding the functioning of society and sexes, but it isn't science. So no, women don't always mate "up", attraction is a sophisticated phenomena.

If you hate women so much, go live in an islamic sharia law ruled country and pick 4 women without their consent even if you are the ugliest and most worthless shit piece alive...

You guys are a deluded by a reality you created around your own perception. The world is bigger than you think.

[–]SirKermitTheThird 2 points3 points  (1 child)

So no, women don't always mate "up",

They do, and you can go fuck yourself.

attraction is a sophisticated phenomena.

It actually isnt.

Go fuck yourself you thot. Get out of here, hoe.

[–]dodo91 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

hahasdfasdfadsf so basically you are one of those guys who cannot get laid and jerk over how much women will eventually fail....sexual frustration, I can smell it from miles.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well at least she doesn't want kids. (some of us don't)

[–]JackGetsIt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is just standard hypergamy. It's good for the species that women don't want mediocre men.