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Fuck your male hamstering (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by G_Petronius

Today a thread titled "Male identity and lifting - Don’t fall for the rat race" shot to the top of the subreddit. The central message of it was a tirade against "unrealistic beauty standards", encouragement to do "what makes you happy" and to avoid acting based on "feelings of inadequacy" or a desire to compete.

In short, with only a few changes, it would have fit perfectly well on page 12 of Cosmo, Jezebel or some other bullshit female magazine. Right next to articles about how curvy is beautiful, video games push "unrealistic beauty standards" and you should "do what makes you happy" such as riding the CC past your eggs' expiration date (just freeze them!)

That post did not shoot up to the top of TRP because it was packed with wisdom and sound advice. The only kernel of truth it contained is that people in bodybuilding photoshoots are dehydrated, probably on PDEs and certainly photoshopped - something that is so painfully obvious and common knowledge I doubt anyone needed telling.

No, it shot up to the top of TRP because it provided hundreds of people with exactly what they wanted to hear: justification for not facing uncomfortable realities and not doing painful hard work, all the while feeling smugly superior to the dumb deceived meatheads killing themselves in the gym, the poor bastards. In short, because it was a great piece of male hamstering.

Fuck your male hamstering

Male hamstering is self-deception designed to please and protect the ego. Like all deceptions, destroying it starts with pointing out where it's pitifully false, so I'll do just that.

"Don't become obsessed with the gym!"

Do you seriously think that any significant number of men have a problem because they feel inadequate compared to him? what bullshit.

The vast majority of men have a problem because they are fatasses. Look at the data: you will scarcely find a developed country where overweight people don't make up around 3/4ths of the population. And don't think that the remaining 1/4th is made up of fit people either: the vast majority of those not overweight aren't in any kind of enviable shape.

So where does that leave us? certainly not with a population of obsessed gym bros who need to be told to calm down a little. All the opposite: it leaves us with a population of people that need to be shamed into getting off their fat lazy asses and hitting the gym. The boogeyman of thinking you aren't big enough is something that could potentially apply only to the tiny slice of the population that is any big to begin with.

By the way: I don't know what gym the author of that post frequented, but in mine none of the big guys have ever expressed any serious feeling of inadequacy because they aren't freak beasts with delts larger than their heads. When you've put in all the hard work it takes to get to a reasonable level of 'big', you realize how much more effort it would take to reach competitive levels, and most people are happy with already being in the top 5% of males by physique.

"Do what makes you happy!"

The above is the biggest piece of shit advice that has wormed its way into this subreddit, literal feel-good bullshit about which we used to have stickies. "What makes you happy" is a shit target to shoot for. Most people are "happy" being barely cognizant vegetables attached to their entertainment, getting duty sex twice a month from their nagging fat LTRs, and going through life without thinking or worrying too much about anything. It's a safe evolutionary strategy that our brains are programmed to follow when the lack of external stresses doesn't require extra work. If you're fed, rested and have managed to squirt out a kid or two, as far as your genes are concerned you've done your job.

Therefore, whenever someone advises a population of recovering betas to "just do what makes you happy", what they're actually doing is justifying and enabling their beta mentality, reframing their unsatisfying and mediocre situation as something to be "happy" about because "you wouldn't want to mindlessly follow along with the herd, would you?"

Of course here the "herd" is painted as the hypothetical hordes of men who are filling the gyms with huffs and puffs and sweat and anabolic steroids, chasing a superhuman physique they'll never achieve. In short, it's another rhetorical device with no basis in reality. People who even hit the gym are a small minority of the population, of which those doing serious bodybuilding are another small minority. The actual herd is the billions of betas living their lives in a frightened stupor, going along with whatever society tells them and eventually getting something that's "good enough", which might just be a shit deal but they're way too passive and emasculated to do anything about it.

Here we see again the male hamster at work: by creating an entirely fictional danger ("you're just following a plan for happiness dictated by someone else!"), it actually just encourages betas to not change anything about their lives which, ironically, is precisely a plan for "happiness" dictated by someone else.

"Don't be too competitive!"

The cherry on top of this shit cake are the various warnings about being too competitive, avoiding the "rat race" and so on.

Pop-TRP has become really enamored with this line of thinking, because it removes external poinst of reference and thus enables people to ignore their lack of progress, since they themselves are the measure of such progress. "Don't do it to be better than some other guy" quickly becomes "ignore the fact that you're in a pitiful situation, you wouldn't want to be like those fools who bust their asses just to be better than others, would you?"

Once again we see the same rhetoric as before at work: a hypothetical danger, "being too competitive", is waved in front of the faux-scared horde of betas, providing them with an immediate rationalization for why they're justified in not bettering themselves in any real way. Just as before, the rhetoric has no point of contact with reality: we do not live in a society of excessively competitive men, we live in a society of men who are by and large extremely afraid of competition, a society that from the cradle makes out competition (and its attendant sins of winning and losing) to be a fearsome, primitive and undesirable activity. There are very few people who are too competitive and need to calm down; for the vast majority of men, the problem is precisely that they're too scared of competition and, if anything, they should be encouraged to seek it out.

Competition is at the very core of masculinity. I mean that literally: nearly all of our secondary sexual characteristics exist to aid us in sexual competition against other males. Hell, our dicks are designed to scoop out the semen of our sexual rivals from the adventurous vaginas of the tribe's women. Wanting to be superior to other men is an instinct that should be cultivated and encouraged, precisely because it's so suppressed nowadays. The issue of "overshooting" and ending up being too competitive is largely hypothetical: when you've started competing in any arena and have seen what it takes, I bet you you'll see how much work it would take to get to the next level, and that you'll be perfectly capable of rationally assessing if it's worth it to you.

A word on lip service

I know what a portion of readers will say: "but the post said that being muscular will always be attractive! you're missing the point!"

No, I'm not. Because here we're not dealing with a courtroom argument or a philosophical debate, we're dealing with persuasion: writing posts that are read by thousands of men and have an effect on how they think and behave. Persuasion cares very little for tiny contrasting details that should allegedly reframe the entire argument: the core message is what will be remembered and have an effect. Here, the core message was "work less, be happy with what you are, avoid pain".

In fact, paying lip service to the truth is a key component of deception. It serves to disarm rational opposition by seemingly satisfying it: "of course being muscular is desirable, and now that I've said it you can refer to the nine paragraphs above this one that provide you with all the reasons you need to not get muscular". It doesn't matter what the content of that sentence logically is: the "being muscular is desirable" lip service has a tiny emotional and rhetorical value compared to the mountain of male hamstering before it.

So no, the fact that the post (and others like it) paid lip service to core TRP concepts doesn't improve the situation any. People pay lip service to what they know is the truth all the time, and then come up with rationalization for why they can avoid following said truth. It's how self-deception normally works: lip service doesn't stop it, it's a part of it.


tl;dr

Lift: go to the gym and lift. When you have a top 5% physique you may start worrying about setting realistic expectations, but by that point I bet you the iron will have taught you just how hard it is to make gains, and you'll likely not have any real problem accepting that you'll never make a bodybuilding magazine cover, nor will that bum you out. It's only people who don't even lift that "fear" for gym bros: the oldest excuse in the book for not lifting is precisely "I don't want to become an obsessed meathead".


[–]smengle 386 points387 points  (61 children)

Thank you. You said everything I was thinking when I read that post. I have no idea how that post made it so successfully on here. That’s straight blue pill nonsense. And even some blue pills advocate lifting.

This whole community is based on bettering yourself as a man. So to see a post complaining about the negative effects lifting has on men on here was the last thing I would ever expect.

If you don’t want to achieve a masculine, muscular physique that you’re proud of, that’s on you. The rest of us are happily looking forward to our next chest day as we prep our meals for the week.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 138 points139 points  (28 children)

On top of this, anyone who has every reached a great physique knows how much their quality of life has improved. The respect, status, discipline, and social benefits from lifting are literally rivaled by nothing except celebrity fame.

What a time to be alive when TRP has a post like that upvoted. Confirming what we already knew; a few of us will put in the work, most of us will read it.. feel good for a couple minutes and not change a damn thing.

[–]smengle 52 points53 points  (27 children)

I cannot fathom how "you don't need to lift" is something that anyone believes.

Even before I became aware of lifting as a form of advice, I knew it was something that was beneficial to me. In high school, I admired the fuck out of all the guys who lifted. I wanted to do that. I knew its affects it had on the body. I knew it could only lead to good things. But at the time I just could not find the mental strength to exert myself physically in front of others at the gym. And yet, I was jealous of the football players because they had free access to the weight room.

This was mostly because whenever I exerted myself physically in gym class, it wouldn't work out the way I hoped it would. So I allowed the fear of trying hinder me. I was trapped. Until I decided I wasn't anymore, and went out and tried. I spent many nights at the gym alone, because I had chosen a time when I knew nobody was there to see me fail.

But that's the thing about the gym. You can't fail. And you learn that quickly. You can suffer from fuckarounditis and dick around while you're there, but you can't fail. Just by walking into the gym and stepping under the iron bar, you're already making steps to success. When you realize that the gym isn't a place of failure like high school may have lead you to believe, that is when your whole world changes. It becomes a tool where you can only better yourself. You can only get stronger.

The gym has become a cornerstone in my life. I go about my day looking forward to when its time to go to the gym. Its become my primary hobby. I sometimes go multiple times a day. I hate rest days because they are days I'm not in the gym. Not even because I trick myself into believing that you build muscle in the gym. I know better, obviously. But because I enjoy lifting. It's fun. It's a stress reliever. It's an anger burner.

There's also such a liberation when you reflect back to before you lifted to what you see in the mirror now. Instead of seeing your flaws, your fat, your lack of definition, your lack of any strength, you see your room for improvement. Instead of seeing the fat, you see lagging muscle and opportunity. The shift from going to the gym because you want to look better to structuring your workout around the fact that you noticed your delts aren't where you want them to be is something that's honestly something really exciting to me.

Anyway, I'm going on and on now. I just love lifting. I just wish I would have followed my desires earlier and just went to the fucking gym. That said, I'm actually considering getting into the fitness field as a career because of how I feel about it.

[–]qball43 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Man, this. I remember being in high school admiring those guys, myself. Both of my brothers and my dad have always played football, and were big dudes. I remember one particular time we were all together, and they were getting compliments, and then that person looked at me and said "when are you going to stop being skinny and lift like your brothers and dad" always stuck with me, but i couldnt find the mental strength to stay going to the gym.

I'd go for a few days and then stop. It wasn't until my LTR cheated on me i finally said FUCK this. I'm gonna get my ass in the gym and be the biggest baddest dude on the block. Never stopped since then, and of course she isnt the reason I continue to go to the gym.

It's a passion, it's more than just a hobby. Going through boot camp for 2 months and not being able to lift was the hardest part of it for me. I remember waking up in the middle of the night and lifting one side of me bed to do shrugs, and push-ups and sit ups.

Now, my current LTR calls me "Hulk".

Go lift, and grow. Aint you tired of bein average. My rant for the day.

[–]ChromeJester 5 points6 points  (1 child)

This is exactly what happened to me, minus getting into the fitness field haha, but you hit my feelings on the head. I wish I would've started sooner but I'm glad I ever started at all, hitting the gym is my favorite part of my day. And while I'm certainly not the biggest dude in the gym, all the meatheads and cross fit animals respect me for being there because they know after a few more years I'll be exactly where they are now. It's a matter of dedication more than anything.

[–]Hurrapelle 1 point2 points  (5 children)

How old are you btw? Out of curiosity and not condescention

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Don't answer this unless you're on a throwaway.

No offense to you, Hurrapelle, but doxxing happens.

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    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Delete your account periodically if you sometimes reveal information such as nationality, age, school, etc.

    [–]craychan 1 point2 points  (16 children)

    How should one get started with lifting?

    [–]smengle 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    By going to the gym and moving heavy weights.

    [–]Rudeyyyy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    go to the fitness subreddit and read the sidebar and do the beginner workouts when you feel you're ready.

    [–]literalsunworshipper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    If your just starting to lift for the first time do higher reps lower wait for awhile. Your muscles adapt relatively quickly to stress (about 2 weeks) but your tendons, ligaments, and bones take much longer (around 3-4 times as long). If you're a true newb do your research and pay attention to the results. Once you start going for a bit "experts" will come out of the woodwork to "tell you how it's done". Most of these guys are full of bullshit. Don't listen to any of them unless they look like an olympian. Even then, take it with a grain of salt and back everything up with your own research. Bodybuilding.com is a great place to start and they have an amazing youtube channel. Also, pay attention to form and listen to your body! The right kind of pain=good, sharp joint pain=bad. If you find someone at the gym you trust, just ask a question. Most guys only look like assholes. Most importantly start slow. Once you've been at it for a year or two consistently you can think about seriously ratcheting up the intensity factor.

    [–]CycleTourEngland 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Start today, do 10 x pushups, squats, sit ups and pull ups. everyday add one extra rep. Check online for good form.

    Doesn't matter how you start, just start

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      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children)

      not completely true. practicing compound lifts with just the bar has better efficiency. once you master form start adding weight, difficult to do with bodyweight movements and as a result it minimally carries over.

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        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

        lol stop crying faggot. I didn't downvote you but your advice was shit so someone else felt obliged to.

        look up starting strength and then go suck my dick. I'm sure the mods might give you more fraud EC points if you do it well enough.

        EDIT:

        /u/WhySoRuff you're an even bigger fraud for deleting your posts. They're still in the screenshot you low-IQ BP faggot.

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            [–]Mrwinzor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Machine weights mean nothing and is a small accessory to real strength bench squat and deadlift is the true measures of strength and what should be focused on and power cleans for pure power

            [–]sasquatch_melee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Don't forget some folks are medically restricted... I'd love to pack on muscle mass but thanks to something I was born with, I have to avoid all strenuous and isometric activities, including contact sports. They don't even recommend light jogging. As a result I'm 6'6" and 172lb lol.

            [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 50 points51 points  (4 children)

            How did it make it? Easy, we have a whole shit load of new people, they haven't read the sidebar, they hear that kind of drivel shouted at them from everywhere, and they don't want to do what is hard. Massive shit test though, and you know some loser will listen to it and still not get laid. Op seems to be a feminist coming in here with that shit, and these new fucks can't see the bullshit for what it is.

            I was going to write something to the effect of what G said, but was interrupted by a blowjob and forgot about it. All I got done in there was a diatribe about porn. That and I write too many book length posts. G summed it up nice.

            [–]30fretibanezguy 11 points12 points  (1 child)

            It's sad when the reverse happens and a solid gold post on New gets buried alive because the newbs read it first and didn't approve. But as long as you keep yourself objective when reading any content here you'll find the shit that sticks. I trust the comments/opinions by the Endorsed guys more than the total upvotes on the post to find what's worth taking in.

            [–]trpthrowaway2003 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            I trust the comments/opinions by the Endorsed guys more than the total upvotes on the post to find what's worth taking in.

            I do this as well, just don't fall into the trap of just blindly following.

            Still strive to form your own opinions about the content, don't just parrot what the EC's say.

            [–]1Ronin11A 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Easy, we have a whole shit load of new people, they haven't read the sidebar

            Reading the sidebar is our basic test of competence, and all of these new posters are failing hard.

            [–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 29 points30 points  (16 children)

            I have no idea how that post made it so successfully on here. That’s straight blue pill nonsense.

            I have though.

            This sub is filled with lazy fucking asshats who cannot even be bothered to read the sidebar and follow the one simple advice: Go fucking lift you retard! (Or go and train MMA if you prefer that).

            I am mainly occupied with answering posts over at askTRP and at least 50% can be answered with: Do what you are told. Don't be lazy. Start doing.

            But they all do not want to listen. It means getting out of the comfort zone and they desperately do not want it, so they grasp every tiny straw they can find and which tells them that they do not have to put in the necessary work.

            I don't even mind about that. People are gonna people. Fuck those loosers who will never make it. It is called the top 5% for a reason: Not everybody can make it and not everybody should as well.

            What I really despise of though is guys like hte OP of the original thread that Petronius is referring to, who are coming here to try and persuade other people to follow their pathetic lifestyle. Fucking crab bucket mentality.

            I've also observed a recent influx of lazy cheetoh fingered fatties from MGTOW who are trying to pull people over to their side and follow their advice on how to live a pthetic and shitty life.

            The reason is simple: It's the mindset of a female. I don't want to climb to the top. Bring the top down to me.

            Fuck them. No seriously. Fuck all of them. I hope they all die a virgin from some coronary heart disease in their late 30s so the human genepool gets cleansed a little bit.

            [–]widec 2 points3 points  (10 children)

            What advice to you have for someone with a busted shoulder? I never properly recovered from surgery and I often have shoulder pain even from lifting relatively light objects at work. I don't think I can "just lift bro", because the pain gets really bad. But skinny doesn't get girls.

            On another note, I notice that a lot of MGTOWs follow a "black pill" philosophy. They generally believe that the world is messed up beyond their control, so instead of trying to improve it they try to distance themselves from society and focus on hedonism. It's not the path you want to go down. Our ancestors fought from freedom in more desperate conditions, we can make our own impact too.

            [–]qball43 1 point2 points  (4 children)

            What exactly is wrong with you shoulder? I injured my knee freshman, dislocated it and tore a ligament completely through. Never got surgery. For about a year I (foolishly) never hit legs when i started lifting. Now im back squatting heavy again.

            I'd give it some time to rest. In that meantime, hit Legs. anything that doesnt put stress on your shoulder.

            [–]widec 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            It's been a couple years now, still hurts from light activity. I had surgery to remove a lump that grew after a longboarding accident, and I've had pain ever since there. Not sure if it's ever going to be back to normal, but I want to know if there's any arm excercises that don't impact the shoulder.

            I do tons of cardio to stay in shape, and I've started kayaking despite the pain. Realistically though, women look at the upper body. Having big legs doesn't help me much.

            [–]xx315 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            I hurt my back at the beginning of the year (slipped on some stone stairs in the rain in the jungle while traveling and broke a rib + messed up the muscles under my scapula) and took a break to let it heal. It never healed until I went back to lifting, though I would definitely recommend you slowly work your way up. I started out at maybe half what I could do before the injury and even specifically worked those muscles with lighter weight to get them back in shape. Within a month my back was finally feeling back to normal, and in two months I was setting PRs again. Same goes for every other major muscle injury I've had.

            Take a break, deload, and work your way back up. That's essentially what any form of PT does anyway.

            [–]widec 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Probably going to try this kind of routine. I mean what's the worst that can happen, shoulder pain? Already living with that as it is.

            [–]RedPillFreedom 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Yeah bro really look into resistance bands and make sure to avoid upright rows. I am assuming you have computer posture as well. Like most, texting neck etc.

            Focus on low impact and stress on joints exercises. You can lift but make sure you are warming up, mobilizing and going slow. Don't rush it focus on blood flow and ample anti inflammatories to ensure you can heal optimally.

            You will get better over time. Just remember it gets harder as you get older. Start now because "In this Moment" this is the youngest you will ever be.

            [–]hbPUA 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            Have you visited a physical therapists (in the last month, not years ago) to look at it and get a tailored program to improve your shoulder?

            Just with that it can probably improve a ton.

            [–]widec 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            I don't have insurance at work so I can't afford to see one

            [–]hbPUA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            It must be though going trough that. What else have you tried?

            [–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I am not a therapist. What about bodyweight fitness?

            I am not against MGTOW per se. The original idea is pretty decent and although I don't identify myself as one, you could argue that my lifestyle resembles that of a man going his own way.

            What I despise of though is the idea of using it as a strawman in order to he able to stay the lazy asshat you are. That is not MGTOW.

            A man will always keep improving himself and his body. Already the bible knows that a healthy body houses a healthy mind.

            Let aside that your motivation ideally is always drawn from the wish to become better, not from wanting to please women.

            As long as you keep doing it, any motivation is good though.

            [–]RedPillFreedom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Look into stem cells. Also, check out shoulder testimonials for post op.

            Dan Blizerian had it done in Mexico and was boxing after 3 weeks fuck surgery.

            Just met a 77 year old guy at the gym that had it done on his knee 5 years ago(in the states). No knee pain or back pain whatsoever. Now, considering getting the other knee done as well. Yes, he lifts too. He hasn't given up and is still a great guy.

            [–]grewapair 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            TBH, lifting never did anything for me. There are some things, like an unattractive face, that one cannot overcome. However, long before I found TRP, I started lifting like a mad man. And it was totally worth it for two reasons.

            First, I got to look as good as I possibly could. At least I didn't have to go through life wondering what could have been.

            Second, it fucking feels great. Every now and then I have to take a week off due to some injury and I never feel anywhere as good as after I lift. So even if you've realized you have some insurmountable problem that will always keep you dating below 5s, just resolve to do it for yourself.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            some things, like an unattractive face, that one cannot overcome.

            Used up old whores with more mileage than the Mars Rover get an office procedure and 6 weeks later they star as the lust object in a movie. Plastic surgery can work wonders so yes, an unattractive face can be "overcome." Save up some of that ugly money and go see a doctor.

            [–]joh2141 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Don't get bitter cuz some virgins united. Nothing you can do about it so just move on buddy. I mean if these losers don't change they prob will die at a young age anyways. You can't save people from themselves.

            [–]FormlessAllness 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            There are so many bluepill dudes on here.

            [–]brinkleybuzz 8 points9 points  (3 children)

            That’s straight blue pill nonsense

            A lot of this is generational, the result of being raised to embrace mediocrity: participation trophies, cheat codes and other self esteem boosting shortcuts.

            Poor babies. Here's what happens when you grind to look good. Today I was shopping in Home Depot when I passed by a couple in the paint section, an attractive woman with a skinny fat schlub she was clearly bossing around.

            As I passed by and looked back, the woman turned around, locked eyes with me then looked me up and down ...you know, that "may I suck your cock now sir" look. I looked at the poor guy and he kind of meekly glanced over then looked down ... defeat personified.

            The buttercups who upvoted the weak-ass "rat race" post will never know what it's like to be on my side of today's encounter at Home Depot.

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              [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              the majority of men who aren’t fatties or extremely skinny to start, you start seeing results in the way women treat you three to four months in of consistent lifting.

              Fatties and skinnies get the most benefit from going to the gym so I think they see some "results" in just a few weeks (Pro Tip: It's the T- I think chicks can smell it).

              [–]enkae7317 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              A lot of content on this sub has gone down recently. I think its because of summer reddit but who knows really. Nice to see some of the older guys still posting regularly.

              [–]TheBloodEagleX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I think the point was to achieve a masculine, muscular physique for yourself rather than other people, no? I know a major emphasis on here is sexual strategy but there's contradictions when people are doing things for women's approval basically (and possibly other men). Without a doubt lifting has a huge benefit, so no lifting is a huge shame anyway.

              [–]infinitefootball 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              As long as I can get pussy without lifting, you ain't gonna catch me within a 100 miles of the gym. $$$ is all you need brother. Get you a muhhfucking cheeseburger, a nice drink, and a desert and let that bitch give you head while you pig out. Otherwise, you need to learn how to be a boss. If she ain't blowing you while you playing video games, you done fucked up.

              [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              I have no idea how that post made it so successfully on here.

              OP explained it (and you were supposedly thinking it).

              [–][deleted] 178 points179 points  (71 children)

              In the thread you're referring to: Guys not getting laid endorsing the idea that getting laid isn't that important, weak males treating their suffering by convincing themselves that their weakness doesn't exist or isn't important. Proletariat / class resentment / collectivism / hamstering / mental gymnastics.

              This is what slave morality is. It's the morality of weak losers who redefine reality to fit their station in life: Power is bad, meekness and humility is good. It's emotionally comforting for weak people. It's useless and pathetic for powerful people.

              This is why many fat people embrace fat-acceptance instead of losing weight. Hot girls don't give a shit about fat acceptance. It's laughable and pathetic to them. In the same way, this "getting laid isn't everything bro" bullshit is laughable and pathetic to me, because I get laid like clockwork. I actually have to create goals to not over-indulge in sex. If this sounds arrogant and offends you, you're experiencing resentment and jealousy, and you're a bitch.

              I was raised in a cult and something we did constantly was "testify" that our beliefs were true. We had to keep telling ourselves we were right because the bullshit wouldn't stick unless we did. Why do you think some redditors here so eagerly embrace the idea that women are shit and aren't worth the effort? Because it makes them feel better. Why do you think they need to repeat it so often? Because it's bullshit and it doesn't saturate into the mind on its own--it doesn't work and integrate into your life and bring happiness. It's denial of reality. The false belief must be constantly reinforced.

              Women are fucking awesome. Getting laid any time you want is fucking awesome. I learned how to get laid by learning sexual strategy and female nature pure and simple, not by getting a better social life. In fact, the inverse happened. I gained confidence with women and sex and then used that confidence to build a better social circle.

              If you're not getting laid, you're not going to be a good friend. I do not want a guy friend who isn't getting laid. Because that guy friend is a loser who can't execute his biological purpose and imperative. He's a biological failure.

              If you're not getting laid, you are a biological failure.

              Face the unalterable fact that you want unlimited amounts of sex with attractive females and take the necessary steps to get it. This insecurity-pampering empowerment bullshit is toxic.

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              [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              You can't see this as easily as I can because you're OP but your post has been removed, probably due to automoderator from excessive reports. I'd PM mods to get it re-instated.

              [–]MEpicLevelCheater[M] 41 points42 points  (1 child)

              /u/SLMC1, you have shown a strong and consistent understanding of Red Pill principles, as well as a genuine desire to pass on that knowledge to the less-experienced knuckleheads in this community.

              Thank you for your contributions to this sub. I am hereby endorsing you.

              [–]imn0tg00d 28 points29 points  (9 children)

              I laughed when I read about the limiting sex part! I know exactly what you mean. I have to adjust my schedule because of that all the time. I was with 3 different girls over the last 3 days and I decided to not even leave my house today just because I don't want to accidentally meet another woman today.

              Sometimes I'll turn my phone off because they are messaging me so much. (I only talk about logistics on the phone, except for with my main chick.)

              Getting laid all the time feels amazing. I wake up every day happy. My friends make fun of me for getting laid so much. My family asks me how the man-whoring is going when they see me. People tell me I should write a book about my life.

              A year and a half ago I was feeling lower than snake shit. I lost my dad and my LTR of 6 years left me on the morning of my mother's surgery for a brain tumor. I got laid off from a really good job. I gained about 40 lbs because of the depression. This all happened in the span of about 3 months, but the weight gain was more of a gradual thing.

              I could have given up. I actually had a gun to my head at one point last year. It was almost too much for me to handle. But I made a deal with myself. I had discovered TRP only days before. I decided to improve myself, although I felt like dying. I knew that there would be an end to the pain one day, and that if I had improved myself while I suffered, my life would be in amazing shape when I found happiness again.

              I went to the gym. I watched my belly shrink. I watched my arms grow. It gave me hope. I had hope that one day I would be sitting on the toilet, taking a massive protein shit, and writing this exact comment. I went out and grabbed my happiness, and my life is amazing. Thank you TRP.

              [–]Endorsed Contributorsqerl[🍰] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

              A year and a half ago I was feeling lower than snake shit. I lost my dad and my LTR of 6 years left me on the morning of my mother's surgery for a brain tumor. I got laid off from a really good job. I gained about 40 lbs because of the depression. This all happened in the span of about 3 months, but the weight gain was more of a gradual thing.

              Fuckin' A man... you're a brother from another mother.

              Lost one parent, lost a job, other parent diagnosed w/ terminal cancer and the GF walks out... All in the same month. We walked a similar path, through darkness and enlightenment. Sounds like you're kicking ass and living life on your terms... Just the way it should be.

              Rock on buddy...

              [–]imn0tg00d 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              Wow. I thought I was the only one who went through times that shitty.

              [–]Endorsed Contributorsqerl[🍰] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Wow. I thought I was the only one who went through times that shitty.

              A man is forged by the defining response to shitty times. The immediate depression from loss is normal. The growth born from those shitty times is not. You didn't choose those events, but you did choose to define yourself.

              Also, viewing life events through the TRP lens gives you the ability to see human behaviour dynamics - even our own. Allowing emotions to define you is to accept victimhood as a way of life. Choosing growth and improvement, especially when the deck is stacked against you, is a test of fortitude and perseverance. This is the way of men and our journey.

              Great success story. Keep those gains and continue to build toward your future. You are the complete opposite of your username.

              [–]smengle 4 points5 points  (3 children)

              Way to go bro. I love seeing comments like this.

              [–]imn0tg00d 4 points5 points  (2 children)

              And I love the support. People who are successful want others to be successful.

              [–]RPmatrix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I had to read this part thrice lol

              my LTR of 6 years left me on the morning of my mother's surgery for a brain tumor.

              bummer!

              Otherwise, Good on you mate, keep it up

              [–]smengle 26 points27 points  (5 children)

              Women are fucking awesome.

              This right here is how you know that you swallowed the pill, and what many of the new people who come here fail to understand. You don't delude yourself into thinking that women aren't awesome. You aren't spiteful toward them. You enjoy them. That's how it should be.

              There's such a shift in the views of women between the main sub and over at asktrp, where the majority of the guys there are still projecting their resentment towards them for not fucking them.

              This post is honestly so refreshing. Really glad you made it. I definitely think you should expand on it and make a thread on it, because frankly I'm tired of the negative views of women.

              [–]imn0tg00d 1 point2 points  (4 children)

              The anger phase is a rough one.

              [–]smengle 7 points8 points  (3 children)

              I never had an anger phase, because I had a clue in what was going on around me growing up. It just seemed like what the Pill was teaching as mostly common sense in regards to the female sexual strategy and laws of attraction.

              [–]yes_we_can_t 7 points8 points  (1 child)

              The only anger phase I had was at myself, for not understanding sooner that masculine features are attractive to women.

              [–]BigBrotherZiggy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              That is surprisingly true. It's like TRP simply organizes the knowledge you already had, and now the veil has been pulled. There's been a couple of times that some friends came to some red pilled realizations, and I proceeded to try and take 'em through the rabbit hole. They know it's true, but they're blinded by anger, and ultimately reject it

              [–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[M] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

              Seconded, need more boxcars. +1

              [–]BigBrotherZiggy 4 points5 points  (7 children)

              Thank you for that comment. The part about sex being a stepping stone to a better social circle was a specially important part. In theory I've absorbed a decent ammount of the pill, and more and more I'm "seeing through the matrix". It's now easy to see patterns in people's behaviors. Haven't started plating or anything like that though. I'm in what you might call a hardcore monk mode right now, as I'm studying for an important test, and I might not have the opportunity to study 24/7 again, so I'm pretty isolated. Couple that with nofap and I'm fucking crazy for some chicks - but I always wonder if taking time off studying to get pussy is worth it, precisely at this moment in my life. Food for thought.
              I've come to notice that those with the best social lives tend to bang the most chicks, but I never knew whether they banged chicks because they were good at socializing or whether the opposite was true. From a personal perspective, I think you hit the nail in the head. As much as I've come to have a much better understanding of social dynamics, the lack of freely available sex hurts my social skills pretty bad. Tried distancing myself from losers I used to hang out with - figured it would be better to work hard on myself first and then work on the social circle, if I were to reverse that order the following period of monk mode might lose me some friends

              [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (6 children)

              Sounds like NoFap coupled with not pursuing women might be a good strategy to transmute your energy temporarily to focus on this test--I assume it's an important one. Muhammad Ali would abstain from sex for 10 days or so prior to a fight, for example. Don't forget meditation and rigorous exercise to regulate that anxious primal fuck-bitch-kill-men energy that nofap can give.

              Still, you should be low-key approaching and flirting at-opportunity pretty much forever and always. Those skills are hard to maintain without using them and it can take a long time to regain them. Just my two cents.

              [–]BigBrotherZiggy 0 points1 point  (5 children)

              Thanks for your reply. Yeah "anxious primal fuck-bitch-kill-men energy" perfectly translates it. It's like this feeling from the gut trying to bend your will. I've noticed my exercise has become more intensive recently, and I must train every day. If instead I only do it, say 3 times a week, a shit load of anxiety builds up. I guess I'm seeing first hand the problem dodging drug fapping is.

              I agree I should be low-key approaching, but since I need to start from zero it makes me think whether to start right now. I know that's hamstering, but I figured it would be better to monk properly now so later on I don't have to go back at it. Perhaps I'm off mark.

              Plus, if I ace that test I'll move to a much bigger city, and networking will become really important. I live in a small town with virtually zero opportunities in my field, so I figured I should focus on stuff I can do on my own for now, and if I succeed and move to that new town, then I put a big spotlight on acquiring social skills, because it will benefit my career as well(and I have to make the most out of my time in that new city to make sure I stay there - a foreigner going to the US can get expensive pretty quickly, have to be really effective in harvesting opportunities)

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

              My advice for when you move to a big city is to move into a house full of guys rather than your own apartment. The constant exposure to some degree of social activity at home will force you to develop social skills--not to mention the vastly greater access to other people, parties, girls, that will ideally arise from having roommates.

              Basically my entire life now--girlfriend, job, friends--came into being through connections I made with roommates when I moved out of my studio apartment and into a house with good roommates.

              [–]Future_Alpha 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              into a house with good roommates

              How do you find good roommates? Would you define that as living in a frat house?

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              Good roommates are generally going to be straight males with interesting professions, ideally entrepreneurs.

              [–]BigBrotherZiggy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Yeah I don't think the average frat boy is someone cool to have around. Will probably be a pain in the ass when you actually have to do stuff. Plus, Chad doesn't equal Alpha.

              I think it would be good to try meeting socially active dudes as soon as possible, so as to have good influence. Although, again, taking caution with chads who aren't alphas. A loud drunk fuck isn't cool

              [–]Seventytvvo 6 points7 points  (29 children)

              Why can't this same aggressiveness and vigor be applied to other areas? What if a dude wants to be the best... idk, scientist in the world? Is that worse than going to the gym all the time and wanting to have as much sex as possible?

              If you're not getting laid, you are a biological failure.

              Also, if you're getting laid a lot and not actually producing offspring, isn't it meaningless in terms of biology?

              [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (25 children)

              Why can't this same aggressiveness and vigor be applied to other areas?

              Why is that an either/or? Proper application of TRP reduces time/energy spent on women. It makes the process of getting laid as efficient as taking a shit. Can you imagine if taking a shit involved as much time and energy as it takes for a beta to get laid?

              going to the gym all the time

              I lift (heavy, very short breaks) for 15 min EOD and that is enough to benefit me significantly.

              and wanting to have as much sex as possible

              Who are you describing? You should be having sex as often as you want sex. I normally go 48-72 hrs between sex because I have other things to do.

              [–]Seventytvvo 1 point2 points  (24 children)

              I had the wrong impression that this subreddit was about improving general male confidence. I understand now that it's for getting laid as efficiently as possible. That's cool, too.

              [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (22 children)

              They're so intertwined that for practical purposes they're the same thing--you can't talk about one without talking about the other.

              [–]Seventytvvo -2 points-1 points  (21 children)

              I think confidence and sex can be intertwined, but aren't necessarily so. We've all heard of low-confidence women who go out and sleep around, surely there are men who do the same, right? Sex and confidence are correlated, not causal, because different people have different natural sex drives and different baseline confidence levels.

              IMO, it would be better for the general male sex for a subreddit to promote confidence and self improvement primarily. Sex will emerge naturally from that at whatever rate each man is interested in it.

              If I'm a sex-once-a-month kind of person, I should still strive to be confident, stand up for myself, be bold, assertive, etc. but why the focus on sex?

              [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (19 children)

              Surely you know that casual sex and confidence have completely different correlations in men than they do in women? A woman that is shitty in nearly every respect can get laid easily, while the opposite is true of men.

              Sex does not emerge naturally from general self-improvement. That is because improving yourself does not teach you female nature--which is initially very non-intuitive and difficult to grasp.

              a sex-once-a-month kind of person

              If you have no desire to have sex more than once a month, don't. But get your testosterone levels checked. If you'd prefer to be having sex every few days (a rate I believe is universally desirable and healthy), then do that.

              but why the focus on sex?

              Because sex is fun? If I have to try to persuade you on this something is wrong with you.

              [–]Seventytvvo 1 point2 points  (18 children)

              That is because improving yourself does not teach you female nature--which is initially very non-intuitive and difficult to grasp.

              I guess I disagree. They're just people, too. They have all the same depth of character and dimension as the rest of us do. I think it's more a matter of just being able to connect with another person than thinking women are some kind of 10 dimensional rubiks cube.

              If you have no desire to have sex more than once a month, don't. But get your testosterone levels checked. If you'd prefer to be having sex every few days (a rate I believe is universally desirable and healthy), then do that.

              See, this is what I object to. It's almost like sex gatekeeping or something. Why the focus on that?

              Because sex is fun? If I have to try to persuade you on this something is wrong with you.

              Yeah, it's fun, but I enjoy a lot of other things, too. There are lots of times when I'd rather do other stuff than have sex.

              [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (16 children)

              just people, too

              just being able to connect with another person

              This approach to women will not yield much success in an often highly competitive sexual marketplace. You're going to get left-overs with that approach. I'm just telling you how it is.

              See, this is what I object to.

              Do you want to have sex multiple times a week or not?

              but I enjoy a lot of other things, too.

              This is really hilarious. I continue to see guys talk like this, like they'll do anything to talk about sex because--I assume--they're not getting any. Point blank: Why the fuck are you on a forum which is explicitly about sexual strategy telling strangers that sex isn't important to you? I think it's because you're lying to yourself to make yourself feel better. It's as clear as day.

              If you don't want to be alpha, and you want sexual marketplace leftovers, then I have nothing to tell you except that I'm confused why you're participating in this forum.

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                [–]dwarfarchist9001 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                The connection between sex and confidence for women essentially the opposite of the the relationship between sex and confidence for men. Man with low confidence = does not approach women or does so badly = no sex. Woman with low confidence = undervalues herself = willing to accept approaches from lower quality (and thus more numerous) males = more sex.

                [–]1Ronin11A 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I had the wrong impression that this subreddit was about improving general male confidence.

                "The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men." It's right there on the sidebar you didn't read.

                [–]dvrzero 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                There are neurotransmitters activated by "getting laid" that are really difficult or illegal to activate in an easier way.

                If you think that a healthy sex life without offspring is "meaningless" - well, have fun with MGTOW and Incel.

                [–]DaddyIssues6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Okay, this comment made sense. Thank you

                [–]FormlessAllness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Some dude said we can't get happiness from women and that this was a self improvement forum. He didn't like that I told him to try to go get laid instead of trying to justify his point of view to me. He told me I was blue pill for saying a man should try to fuck a lot of women.

                [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                This deserves its own thread. The Problem With MGTOW or something.

                I was raised in a cult and something we did constantly was "testify" that our beliefs were true. We had to keep telling ourselves we were right because the bullshit wouldn't stick unless we did. Why do you think some redditors here so eagerly embrace the idea that women are shit and aren't worth the effort? Because it makes them feel better. Why do you think they need to repeat it so often? Because it's bullshit and it doesn't saturate into the mind on its own--it doesn't work and integrate into your life and bring happiness. It's denial of reality. The false belief must be constantly reinforced.

                slave morality

                Some Greek dude wrote about Natural Slave Theory that essentially people are divided between natural slaves and free people (men) and that Natural Slaves are parasitic followers who require Masters to command them.

                Why does that sound so much like the average voter today?

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Hence Jefferson writing into the American constitution voting restrictions which tried to ensure that those most likely to be Masters (intelligence/empathy, testosterone, social status) could influence governance.

                [–]DonnySequoiaBuddz707 15 points16 points  (0 children)

                The male hamstering is the poison that cripples a man; stopping him from entering uncomfortable situations that force growth, and rationizing why conformimg to a life of mediocrity is acceptable.

                [–]SuwinTzi 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                I should've noticed the Fat Acceptance like wording that was coming out from that post, but ended up thinking,"This is TRP, there can't be Fatavists here?"

                The US is reaching an obesity rate 30% (and no evidence of stopping), and child hood obesity is going up. The herd will literally be made of fat cows; eat right, train hard, fight back against social programming that it's okay to be fat, dumb, and lazy as long as you're happy.

                Life is hardships, pain, and failure, and overcoming and thriving through it is what defines you and makes you above the crowd.

                Don't do what makes you "happy", do what is challenging and kicks you in the ass.

                [–]grandaddychimp 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                The boogeyman of thinking you aren't big enough is something that could potentially apply only to the tiny slice of the population that is any big to begin with.

                Yes, and most of the people who are obsessed with thinking they aren't big enough are permabulkers. A good chunk of guys who lift weights are into bodybuilding, not permabulking. That means they cut and bulk, so they are routinely cutting calories and losing mass.

                [–]1SirKolbath 17 points18 points  (0 children)

                THANK you. When I read that yesterday, I couldn't believe it had been posted in TRP, much less that it was gaining up votes.

                Life is about competition. Humans need competition so much we create games to fill the need for it when we're not out directly competing with smilodon. As men, we were born to compete. And if we don't win the competition, our genes vanish from the human race.

                [–]randomassortment_ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                I don't get why people write such full length posts and commentary on the societal implications of lifting.

                Like, fuck it man, I'm just here to get laid n shit, I can't be asked to bother "lifting for muhself". I do it to get laid. Why is that bad? I like lifting too, the progression you get from being swole, but getting pussy is a large part of it tbh

                [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                Holy shit i thought i was crazy or somethin. The bp sjw mentality is creeping in guys. That shit should have never passed 10 upvotes, jesus christ a mod should just censor those kind of shit posts.

                [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

                go to the gym and lift. When you have a top 5% physique you may start worrying about setting realistic expectations, but by that point I bet you the iron will have taught you just how hard it is to make gains, and you'll likely not have any real problem accepting that you'll never make a bodybuilding magazine cover

                I see this hasn't got a very high up-vote percentage, I find that a bit strange as this line alone makes perfect sense and helps avoid people hand-wringing or pontificating over the hypothetic draw-backs of picking up a dumb-bell.

                I only skimmed through the article you are discussing here, but as a general rule, anything about fitness on TRP is unwelcome - apparently every single spanner on here is an expert and knows everything there is to know about Lifting, and OP is always wrong, no matter what.

                Good post dude.

                [–]30fretibanezguy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                This hasn't got a high upvote % because people have read a misguided post and made it popular, so this post is bad to avoid cognitive dissonance now they've thought oh shit I was wrong. I expect this comment to do poorly for the same reason.

                [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                avoid cognitive dissonance

                And the good old Reddit Wheel keeps on'a turnin'

                You're probably correct, but the META posts usually always get a pretty rough reception. People don't like being told what they should like, my slight confusion came from this being good and not the least bit preachy but still getting that reaction.

                [–]unicorrnr 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                THANK YOU. That shit is the same hamstering feminists do.

                [–]iwasbornred 22 points23 points  (25 children)

                One thousand fucking times yes.

                There are ZERO health related reasons for a man to be above 10% body fat. None. Zip. Nada.

                Oh, you're at 12%? Your abs are coming in? You're a fat fuck, do some cardio and stop eating poop for dinner.

                Shit, 10% fat probably isn't even necessary. I am sooooo fucking sick of this hamstering too and I'm not even in good shape. My body fat is a few points above 10 for sure. But I recognize I am a fatty that doesn't work hard enough to deserve 10%, unlike all these faggots who think they are more intellectual because you're not ripped.

                If you're not in great shape, you are by definition not an intelligent person. Intelligent people understand that physical fitness is the priority, always, no matter what. Elliot Hulse has a great saying: your body is your mind.

                This is a factually true statement. The mind does not exist outside of your body. Your mind is not in your head or your brain. It IS your body.

                [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (15 children)

                I lift 5 days a week, starting to eat a lot better, but still above that 10% bf. Have no problem with current physique but as you said wouldn't mind getting it down to improve definition. Is it really just a matter of running 3-5 miles a day or so?

                [–]widec 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                Nope, the main goal is that you don't overconsume. Cardio is more for about increasing your general endurance.

                [–]Olga_Schmutzer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I am by no means a fitness-expert, but this resonates best with my own experience. I did cardio for ages, but I only started losing fat the moment I changed my diet.

                [–]iwasbornred 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                Cardio is the best exercise for burning fat but it really just comes down to your diet.

                [–]adam_varg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Not really. Cardio is hella effective, but actual (notable) fat burning happens after roughly 40 minutes in cardio zone 1. Cardio zones 2+3 dont really burn fat directly (notably).

                It does help indirectly and is necessary to combat negative effects of modern sedentary lifestyle (nope lifting is not enough). So if you have time for regular cardio do it. 20-30 minutes 2-3x per week is enough to reap full health benefits if you do lift or other sports too.

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                  [–]iwasbornred 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  Circuit training is cardio though. Cardio basically just means elevated heart rate for an extended period

                  [–]BestSC86 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  After a certain point...you realize it really comes down to diet.

                  Your body is a amazing at adapting to shit which you put it thru and sooner or later you will reach the point where it isn't possible to run far enough to burn the fat if you are stuffing your face with pizza and 12 beers every night.

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Oh yea I've been big before and losing weight is easy. But losing weight without sacrificing muscle is more difficult, and calling anything over 10% body fat as 'fat' is a tad ridiculous

                  [–]Sighters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  no its the fact that you're not in a caloric deficit. track your calories.

                  [–]basebool 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                  I need to tell myself this everyday to push myself. It's a long, but extremely necessary grind. Im at 15, down from about 20, and I'm doubling down. Being fat is not an option anymore.

                  [–]iwasbornred 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                  YES

                  Fat is not obese. Fat is more body fat than you should have. Keep on attacking those mother fucking weights like they are some dumb slut you need to teach a lesson to. Except this lesson is taught with your muscle, not dick.

                  [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                  Priorities and age come into play, especially with bf%, but being fit is immensely beneficial. I'd probably be dead now if I didn't have the endurance and strength I had prior to some life altering events that have forced me to slow down. The vast majority of people will never experience what fucked me up, but they'll possibly have other things, illness, accidents, all kinds of shit that being in shape will increase your chances of survival.

                  The most important thing is to build yourself up in your 20s and maintain at the very least as long as possible. The more you build (without damaging joints) the easier it will be to remain capable as you get older. At 30 your healing slows noticeably. At 40 everything hurts more and takes longer yet to heal. Around 50 not using it makes it not work and you get stiff muscles easily. If you're a weak fuck in your 20s and 30s then 50 and up is going to suck.

                  [–]iwasbornred 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I am speaking outside of actual health problems. No reason healthy males 20-60 need that extra fat.

                  If you're older you get like, maybe 1% leeway per decade I guess. Even then- I don't think a 60 year old needs 14%. So maybe less than 1%

                  [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

                  You do realize you sound like these anorexic women obsessing they are 'too fat' ?

                  [–]iwasbornred 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  Many of those bitches are fat. They just need to exercise though, not starve themselves.

                  [–]iwasbornred 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Don't care if you think I'm anorexic. You're weak and fat, do something about it instead of claiming I sound anorexic because Im aware enough to acknowledge I'm weak and fat.

                  Being close to the average is not, not fat.

                  Not possessing extra unneeded fat is not fat.

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Are you here to contribute anything substantial? Sounds like you're just being a bitch right now.

                  [–]figyg 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                  I'm not really a red pill guy. Just wandered in here. I like your post.

                  Dude's need to compete. And they need to realize that they enjoy competing, because they do. They just haven't been exposed to competition in a healthy way, which is a major flaw in our society IMHO.

                  Anyways, there's nothing wrong with doing hard work. Not all "Alphas" are born alphas. Sorry to burst your bubble. They can put in the hard work, time, effort, energy, and other resources to edge out the competition.

                  And muscular isn't attractive. Muscular is a sign of HEALTH, and HEALTH is attractive.

                  [–]Stilfull 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Maybe even more so: Muscles -> dedication with an warrior mentality, security from threats (other men or animals), strength being able to continuously bring in more resources (food, material for building a house etc) -> attractive

                  [–]joh2141 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                  To be fair if you're in TRP playing the popularity game for which posts and advice to follow, you're missing the whole point of TRP to begin with. People fall too easily to taking things at face value when you shouldn't.

                  But male hamster ing is a real thing and it's fucking pathetic. Even if it is a legitimate excuse, an excuse is still an excuse. So don't fall into complacency using excuses. That's how you turn into a fat fuck who orbits around a girl who's a 3 and still not get laid.

                  Like shit I understand some people are overcompensating when they can't shut up about the gym 24/7 but being like that is still better than fat fucks trying to excuse their own laziness.

                  [–]RedPillersareCucks 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  Don't even have to lift. I haven't hit the gym since high school, and maybe once or twice since college.

                  I also bike every day, do some bodyweight fitness, and so on. I'm athletic, not built.

                  And you know what? I do lose sexual opportunities as a result. Some girls only want a six pack. One of my plates tried to set up a threesome last month- she said no, no 8 pack, no deal. We hard nexted.

                  And you know what? I don't give a fuck. I love my lifestyle. She found a different girl who didn't care about 8 packs. You don't have to be a ripped, 5%er to enjoy life and get laid like a mofo. You don't have to pump iron to be fit and healthy.

                  But in general, you do have to be attractive and have a high SMV. Being a fatass is neither of those things.

                  TL;DR You don't have to go the gym and lift to be attractive and healthy. It helps, and it'll help you a ton if you're a lardass, especially by giving you discipline.

                  [–]_Shamanda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Nice username. I was at the gym today doing 5 lbs weights to rehab my wrist and this guy next to me just couldn't stop checking himself out in the mirror. Lifting is so much investment into a shallow endeavour. It's narcissistic in a way.

                  [–]Daddie0 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  Had a coworker a long time ago tell me he hated when someone would say "good enough". I didn't understand it way back then, because I was young and dumb.

                  To the still clueless: By saying "good enough" you are completing the task / goal, but you damn well know deep inside you that you could do way better. You are just too damn lazy to do better.

                  Getting to that last rep in the gym and get to 12 and think "That was pretty easy today, good enough."? Think about something that pisses you off and push out a few more.

                  [–]ChrisBenRoy 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                  Let me confess something to everyone. I've just now started to get a decent body from lifting after being a fat peice of shit most of my life. Had a girl over Friday night who's never been with anyone with any type of muscles at all. She's couldn't stop rubbing all over my arms and chest, it was noticeable and it was the first time it was confirmed for me that lifting is an absolute NECESSITY for men. No exceptions.

                  [–]trpthrowaway2003 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Congrats on your first Swolestation

                  [–]trpthrowaway2003 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  You earned your tag with this post alone sir

                  [–]ToFapNoMorelsTheGoal 1 point2 points  (7 children)

                  Where did that actual post go? I read it yesterday and can't seem to find it now.

                  [–]3kinggreat 1 point2 points  (6 children)

                  Got deleted I seems. Honestly, It had some fair points but as this post mentions, it focused on a small demographic of men (the majority being fat/skinny fucks that don't need to even start thinking about the stuff in the post).. Hamsters in the comments took it as "don't lift" and don't try and improve yourself.

                  [–]ToFapNoMorelsTheGoal 5 points6 points  (5 children)

                  Good riddance; the entire post reeked of somebody who'd just barely started lifting or had never lifted a day in his life. Everybody who's a serious lifter knows, like this post mentioned, that muscle gain is a slooow process. You can work out consistently for 2 years straight, 4-6 days a week, with proper nutrition and can acquire the physique that the top 5% of men have that this post is talking about, and still be nowhere close to the Instagram fitness models or professional physique competitors/weight-lifters. The post assumed men develop body dis-morphia before they even start seeing results. Ha! Quite the contrary, the only people who develop body dis-morphia are advanced lifters who have been lifting and going on bulk/cut phases for several years.

                  [–]3kinggreat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Yeah it was a shit show in that thread. Good intentioned post but misguided and dangerous for the hamster inclined.

                  [–]Murgie 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                  The post assumed men develop body dis-morphia before they even start seeing results. Ha! Quite the contrary, the only people who develop body dis-morphia are advanced lifters who have been lifting and going on bulk/cut phases for several years.

                  With all due respect, they're kinda right in that regard, what you describe isn't really how BD works.

                  Body dysmorphic disorder is something that drives people to do things like engage in absurd amounts of lifting, undergo constant plastic surgeries, inject themselves with absurd amounts of synthol, starve themselves to levels resembling anorexia (something which the condition is very closely related to), conduct extreme body modifications, etc. Not something that you come down with as a result of doing those things.

                  In extremely simplified terms, it's kinda like there's a "switch" in the brain which is normally supposed to be flipped whenever a person's bodily integrity is somehow compromised, in order to alert us to the problem and dissuade us from engaging in whatever behavior led to it.

                  In someone with BD, that switch flips itself on and stays on for reasons we don't fully understand, typically around adolescence. So even though there's usually nothing physically wrong with them, they constantly experience this overwhelming sensation that something isn't right, and changing their body will somehow resolve it.

                  Only, because the switch isn't flipped for the reasons it's supposed to be, that sensation never goes away no matter how much bigger, or smaller, or whatever, they manage to get.

                  So ultimately, in the case of folks who never end up getting the mental healthcare they need, they often end up taking their thing to an absolute extreme.

                  [–]1Ronin11A 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                  Body dysmorphic disorder is something that drives people to do things like engage in absurd amounts of lifting, undergo constant plastic surgeries, inject themselves with absurd amounts of synthol, starve themselves to levels resembling anorexia (something which the condition is very closely related to), conduct extreme body modifications, etc. Not something that you come down with as a result of doing those things.

                  Body dysmorphia, like alcoholism, is an addiction. If you find yourself setting alarms for every three hours in the middle of the night so you can wake up and take a fucking protein shake, you have body dysmorphia. If you resist taking rest days because you think your muscles with atrophy away in 24 hours, you have body dysmorphia.

                  If you bust your ass 3-4 times per week, watch your food intake, eat a predominantly Paleo-ish diet, you do not have body dysmorphia.

                  The bigger issue is people not seeing the distinction between the two. Having a few beers 2-3 times a week does not make you an alcoholic; taking your training seriously does not make you dysmorphic. Yet most are too stupid to understand this.

                  [–]Murgie 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  If you find yourself setting alarms for every three hours in the middle of the night so you can wake up and take a fucking protein shake, you have body dysmorphia.

                  Probably, yeah.

                  If you resist taking rest days because you think your muscles with atrophy away in 24 hours, you have body dysmorphia.

                  Absolutely, yeah. That's, like, the epitome of textbook BDD.

                  Body dysmorphia, like alcoholism, is an addiction.

                  Eeeehhh, this part, not so much.

                  I do get what you're saying in regards to the two or three beers thing, but the major distinction between BDD and alcoholism is that the former is much more dependent on genetic and other inherent biological factors than alcoholism is. Almost anyone has the potential to fall into alcoholism, but BDD is something that you either have, or don't have.

                  Body dysmorphic disorder is actually considered to fall within the obsessive–compulsive spectrum, if that helps illustrate what I'm saying. It's not something you can give yourself by engaging in specific behaviors as a coping mechanism, like alcohol and alcoholism are.

                  That said, I'm absolutely not saying that working out isn't something that people can develop an addiction to, like alcohol. It absolutely is, no question about it. But that alone isn't enough to qualify as BDD. Rather, it's what's called a behavioral addiction, and the methods for treating the two can differ significantly.

                  Treating a behavioral addiction often utilizes the kinds of methods you'd see used in treating drug addictions, like alcoholism. Treatment for body dysmorphic disorder, on the other hand, is more like treating obsessive-compulsive disorder. A prescription of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors isn't going to do a thing for someone who's developed a behavioral addiction, but they're pretty much the difference between night and day to someone with BDD.

                  [–]1Ronin11A 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I phrased it poorly; I was more trying to liken it to alcoholism in that those who have it literally cannot control it, and telling them not to be "so obsessive" is like telling water not to be wet or my dad's cat not to be an asshole. I do understand there are different physiological mechanisms at play, however.

                  [–]WhorehouseVet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  What's that thread about, I can't seem to find it. Did the mods delete it?

                  [–]DirtieHarry 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  This a LONG fucking rant, but I think you actually make a really strong point. I wish I was obsessed with the gym.

                  [–]Alexinfinite01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Good post. I didn't understand how that post your referring to got so much attention. It was such bullshit. No one here should be looking for excuses to aim low. I get it, if someone feels insecure because they compare their fat ass's to the fit people at the gym, it happens. But you're not going to fix that by trying not to compete. Compete with yourself if you must but you absolutely must press forward. Sink or swim, so for God's sake just try and swim!

                  [–]CycleTourEngland 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I totally agree, with one caveat. Lifting isn't everything, I'm an endurance athlete and in the top 5%. My point is, you don't need to lift, but you need to be fit

                  [–]Roughknot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Thank you for calling this bullshit out and furthermore explaining why it was bullshit.

                  Remember if it was easy everyone would be doing it!

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                    [–]_Shamanda 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    You can be swole as fuck and still hardly get laid...

                    [–]NakamuraFan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    While I do lift and believe that everyone should do the same, I also think that men higly overestimate the importance of male looks when women look for partners. "I'm too fat/skinny/bald/ugly to get a girlfriend/date/onenightstand" is the number one excuse I hear from men who don't engage in the sexual market. The real hamstering comes from the men who refrain from game because they think female sexuality is identical to that of men.

                    Women don't give a shit about how you look. If they ever mention your looks, then its a shittest. And no, that does not mean that you should stop showering.

                    [–]2alisonstone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    If you are a natural and don't use performance enhancing drugs, you can't be too obsessed with the gym. If you work out efficiently, you are done after 45-60 minutes. Your body's natural rate of recovery just can't keep up if you pound away for several hours a day. Realistically, you only need around 5 hours a week to get most of the way to your maximum natural potential. It is not something that will drain all of your time away. Most of the results actually comes from NOT doing certain things, mainly not eating garbage food.

                    If you say "I don't have time to go to the gym", then you better be a lawyer, doctor, investment banker or business owner and you need to put in 100 hour weeks. If you are pulling in a mid six figure salary, I can understand why you are willing to sacrifice your health for money. But often I hear the "I'm too busy" excuse from students. What the fuck? If you are "too busy" as a sheltered student, then how the fuck are you going to function as an adult in the real world when you have real responsibilities? If you work a 40-50 hour job and you are "too busy/tired" to go to the gym, but some other guy works a 60-80 hour job and finds a way to go to the gym, why should you deserve anything better than the other guy?

                    [–]ioncehadsexinapool 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    You're an idiot. Some people would be happier having normie Gains. It's merely a matter of priorities, and no amount of shooting roids in to your high horse ass is going to change that. Next time you see an opportunity to retort in a hamster-bragging manner do us all a favor and fuck off

                    [–]FormlessAllness 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    You don't need roids to be fucking jacked. Obviously you won't be an ifbb pro but you definitely make girls wet. 9o minutes a day is nothing

                    [–]ebdevildog85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Well done.

                    :I need to go to the gym:

                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    The good thing about trash like the thread op references is its a great way to root out the bloopy morons who don't belong here.

                    I wouldnt have any problem with something similar to the recent 'if you're bitching about the new red pill ap without supplying any alternative suggestions then get the fuck out of here' ban wave for threads of these types. Allowing this sort of horse shit to spread can only harm this movement.

                    [–]dmcoolaid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    To me it looks more like you're pointing out the level of complacency that the post might cause, which more so has to do with the person reading the post and "aiming for shit targets" than the post itself. Mind you I haven't read the post but from the points you elaborated on "to do what makes you happy and to avoid acting based on "feelings of inadequacy" isn't necessarily evil or even wrong. It's like cause and effect. I would think most people have a propensity to already want to take the easy way out which would change their perspective on said ideology. Whether the advice given is detrimental or helpful to somebody in this instance probably has a lot to do with their personality beforehand. Even then, the people who want to take the easy way out by nature you'll probably barely if any at all see in a gym. This is just food for thought and me rambling for the sake of discussion.

                    [–]OrpheusV 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    The only issue I personally have with starting a lifting program again is that I might not have the energy to do both a lifting program AND train for a marathon. Recently finished a half marathon in 2'01". Still have a solid 6 months of training before my first marathon in January.

                    Is there a way to balance these out cleanly?

                    [–]AristaeusX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    May have an advice depending on your training schedule. Got Strava, Endomondo, Fitbit accounts?

                    [–]cat_soup_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    I love the fact your tl;dr doesn't have anything to do with what you're talking about at all.

                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Cold facts. Great rebuttal.

                    [–]sweetb00bs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Women's hamstrings never stress

                    [–]bhagwajhenda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Dear Sir,

                    You have spoken the truth!

                    Cheers

                    [–]_TheRP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Never underestimate people's tendency to be lazy as fuck.

                    I don't want to go to the gym, I don't want to improve myself, I don't want to compete - it's hard. That's the basic philosophy these people are subscribed to.

                    Look folks, if you cant bring yourself to put in some fucking work - physically, socially, professionally - you're not going to get shit. Not the big house, not the nice car, not the hot girls.

                    [–]ADeadDawg 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                    This is great. Also, it should be mandatory to post progress pics or current stats when posting something under the fitness category.. A lot of dudes get off writing about fitness, but don't really know what the hell they're talking about.. I wrote something the other day about how something as simple as chewing gum at the gym could boost your performance.. needless to say it got deleted and everybody ragged on it.. but hey what do I know? I'm only 6'1'' 205lbs of lean body mass who used to fast rope 60 feet out of Blackhawk helicopters while being shot at..

                    [–]Imakesensealot 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    Well, you're a little bitch.

                    [–]SamuraiPizzaCatz 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    Except when you factor in that people's definitions of 'big' vary, and someone could easily not want to be above 150lbs lean, so anything higher than that would be 'too big' to them and not desirable. Then, you'd have a bone to pick with how they lack 'intensity' in their workouts and aren't 'lifting right' by avoiding compound lifts because they don't want to put on 10lbs of muscle. All in all, you're just as controlling as the other side and you're projecting your own desires onto people. If them not being fatasses is all that matters to you, then the gym is pennies in comparison to diet. They can easily do body weight exercises, run, swim, etc for the physical stimulus.

                    This post is nothing short of a feel good rant written from the other side of the spectrum. Same myopic POV, same elitist attitude.

                    [–]SamuraiPizzaCatz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    and to tack on this:

                    If anyone tries to snuff out any other type of exercise as being 'inferior' to lifting and calls it an excuse - touch yourself. By that logic, any instrument you play that isn't the violin is inferior and you're wasting your time/making excuses by not playing it.

                    [–]OneLifeSucks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Being competitive is good but your reasoning behind competing has to be healthy. If you're lifting to have a more attractive physique to women, stop lifting. There are skinny video game nerds and frat boys with dad bods who slay way more pussy (better quality too) than your average gym bro, simply because they are truly happy and comfortable with themselves which reflects in their frame. You being shredded might boost initial attraction but your secretly insecure frame will shatter in the face of that HB9 who for a few moments actually thought she was talking to the real deal.

                    [–]Streik23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    I want to add something to the competitive part. Be better than you were the day before. never set your goal with an external influence.

                    [–]MisterRoid 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                    Personally I live with my parents, never socialize and don't have sex, but it doesn't matter, 'cause I don't want friends or sex anyways. You can live a full life playing video games and eating buckets of icecream.

                    [–]epicfadeout 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    A full life? Naw dude. The only full thing about that lifestyle is gonna be your blimped out haagen-dazs bod.

                    [–]jupiter6666 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Your response to male hamstering was male hamstering. Clever.

                    [–]Akela_hk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Go to the gym and smash weights because in this decadent and pathetic society men are not allowed to smash the skulls of their enemies. Fury and violence are your instincts. Odds are that you're on this earth because someone in your lineage was a dyed in the wool killer.

                    Embrace it.

                    [–]harsha_hs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    This is why people come to TRP, not to read stuff which is suitable for xx chromosomes

                    [–]iamtheswoop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Okay, I needed that. My original goal in my lifting was a top type Male Physique...or as much as I can do that is possible with my freaky skinny body. I was reading that post and thinking to myself, " You know... Maybe I'm okay as I am". You snapped me out of it

                    [–]funkyfreshmemelord 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    You know, I rarely read a Red Pill post that I agree with, but this is spot on. Protecting fatasses egos is a multimillion dollar industry, and it needs to go if society isn't gonna split into 10% attractive people who care about health and fitness and 90% obese people who are pretending not to be slowly dying.

                    [–]They_Call_Me 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Nailed it.

                    A man is broken when he is not strong.

                    The goal all men should strive for is balance of the big three

                    BODY - MIND - WALLET

                    http://i.imgur.com/l9WGryj.png?1

                    [–]ChromeJester 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    This is so true, thank you for this post. I have had the exact opposite problem for most of my life in that I was unhealthily skinny, played sports, but I didnt lift. Eventually I realized I had to fucking do something and in the past year, with a lot of work in the kitchen and 6 days a week in the gym, I've been able to put on 25lbs of muscle. It's fucking hard. I still have another 35 to go to hit my goal, but that doesn't mean I give up because 99% of other people would say "that's good enough", or because some article says "don't feel inadequate for being a lazy, boring POS with zero SMV. Accept yourself." Life is constant change and the only way we can have positive change is by going out and working really fucking hard, whether that's in the gym, at work, or at university, the only people who make it to the top work hard. We aren't all equal, and we aren't all afforded the same opportunities, but the one thing you can do is work harder than the next guy and reap the benefits of putting in the time that everyone else is too lazy, or too self loathing to do. Thank you OP for saying something that needs to be said, and for being so up front about it. There's no beating around the bush, and there are no shortcuts. Get out and create the life you want, but be prepared to work.

                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    I think people are unimaginative personally. I don't think lifting is the only way to get a great physique and it's definitely the most boring. I sort of feel like kids these days lift a lot but don't get out and really challenge themselves. Anyway, I'm old so who cares.

                    Also as a guy who has always been athletic I really feel that lifting doesn't make you shit except strong and cocky. Some people are just naturally athletic and a lot of the people at the gym are chasing after something they will never attain. Call me a dick hater liar idc

                    [–]Imakesensealot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Lifting doesn't really make one cocky. People decide to be cocky.

                    [–]1TheLegionnaire00 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    One of the best posts in a while. Cheers mate!

                    But still, it's sad to see that only 72% upvoted, that means there are a couple hundreds of butthurt betas that downvoted this because it hurt their feelings. I don't get why people come to TRP if they don't want to improve.

                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    I'm glad you wrote this. I was one of those people who upvoted that topic. I didn't even realize what I was doing by agreeing with it... thank you for this wakeup call.

                    [–]mathemapoletano 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    God I've always hated it too. I actually pulled it once and was unable to play croquet for half a year. I swear I would've made it pro.

                    [–]stephcurrythrowaway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    I think shaming is a good thing if not taken too far. It was being teased on for my weight at a young age that even got me interested in lifting.

                    [–]slappysq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Thank you. That article was like some BMI=30 blue haired ham planet saying that you shouldn't diet because you might become anorexic.

                    [–]machine667 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                    Iron's only great to a point and is ultimately only an end in itself. No reason not to do it, you need to lift and do it seriously.

                    Learn how to fight as well. A physique that looks good but can't back shit up isn't worth anything.

                    [–]SamuraiPizzaCatz 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                    If you're over the age of 18 and still get into fights, you're a fucking idiot and nobody thinks you're cool.

                    No amount of fighting training is going to help you against someone with a knife, or with friends. Personally, I'd round up my buddies and jump you if I ever lost to you, and I'd do it repeatedly.

                    [–]machine667 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Oh fuck son you certainly don't actually fight. Jesus. It's just good discipline-wise and fun. My old BJJ coach was an MMA fighter and a black belt in BJJ and he'd never been in a fight in his life outside of a cage or gym.

                    People who get into fights are just fucking stupid.

                    It's just you're less likely to be intimidated by assholes who escalate to violence at the drop of a hat if you've done some legit training. you know if it comes down to actual physical contact you can handle yourself.

                    [–]brainhack3r 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    The world is harsh. There's no getting around this fact.

                    You can ignore it and retreat to your cave or you can man the fuck up and be alpha.

                    [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

                    Fuck do you guys actually believe this? Christ you peacocking freaks.

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                        [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

                        its still unbelievably hard to get a woman even if you do have an amazing body.

                        It's unbelievably hard if you're beta. As in, haven't learned female nature and adopted alpha personality traits. As an alpha it's virtually effortless. You just kind of stumble around and find yourself fucking attractive females.

                        Learn female nature and adopt alpha characteristics. Your pessimism is merely a reflection of your beta nature.

                        [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                        Wait...but...but...the girls at Red Pill Women (and every other woman who had a man stupid enough to ask her) say that Alphas come squirting and screaming right out of the chute as pussy slayer Natural Born Alphas.

                        Gals recoil at the idea of Betas becoming Alphas because it disarms the most holy and righteous magic vagina Alpha detectors but if you are right it means we can ignore all that and instead learn and adapt alpha characteristics and learn to slay it.

                        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        One of the most fun moments in a beta-alpha transition is when you're still fundamentally beta but you're mimmicking alpha behaviors and watching them work, and you're laughing because you know you're being perceived as something you're not (yet) and you're getting more pussy than you deserve.

                        [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (12 children)

                        You are just looking at a tough market friend. Places like Seattle, Portland, Denver, Chicago, SAN Francisco all do a great job of attracting men with good careers and are into fitness heavily. Nothing is changing a ton from a macro level (though wealthy millennials are focusing on working out more than other generations) it's just market specific and a great place to be a girl if you want a guy out of your league

                        Want the reverse? Go to Houston, Nashville, Atlanta, Oklahoma City, or charlotte and just by not being fat you will be top 20%

                        [–]trpthrowaway2003 1 point2 points  (8 children)

                        Do the areas you listed correlate to the women as well?

                        Better looking and more fit women in certain cities than others?

                        I feel like your comment could be turned into a thread. Being top 20% by just being fit would be some really good practice for someone just starting.

                        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                        Not at all. If anything, it's the opposite. Remember - what women find attractive in men is different than what men find attractive in women. So while the quality of men are better in San Fran, Chicago, and New York due to them having high paying jobs and being physically fit - the women there don't have a higher SMV (if anything it's lower).

                        The average woman in a southern city blows the doors of a girl in Seattle or New York. Sure, they will make less and have different expectations, but it is a far better market for men if that's what you are looking for

                        [–]trpthrowaway2003 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                        The average woman in a southern city blows the doors of a girl in Seattle or New York.

                        I could see Seattle, but NYC is pretty agreed upon as the largest hub of the most beautiful women in the world. Granted, that would always come down to the tastes of the individual.

                        Either way, the logic seems odd.

                        It seems like if the majority of the men women find attractive are in certain cities, that the majority of women would gravitate there as well.

                        Edit:

                        I think the point we are getting at though, is that in cities like Nashville it is just way easier to be in the top 10% of men.

                        It should be noted that the amount of high caliber women will be lower, but they will still be there.

                        Not only is it a better market, but if you are so inclined, you will be able to practice social circle game at a higher level, with less investment.

                        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                        The sheer number of higher caliber women will of course be lower in a smaller city, but the ratio of high caliber women to high caliber men is skewed completely differently.

                        [–]trpthrowaway2003 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Easier pickings for a dude that has made a transformation and looking to start over.

                        I feel like the potential to learn how to operate in higher social circles is a nice little cherry on top as well.

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                              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                              I can not imagine a worse dating area than San Francisco - where everyone is rich. The only strategy I can think of is just zigging where other zag. Get big and display raw testosterone while holding frame on shit like their loony political views.

                              Even then the juice aint worth the squeeze. San Fran girls are meh

                              [–]Therobot40 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                              I've never heard of this subreddit, but as a dude that goes to the gym almost every day I thank you for everything you said. Lifting and wanting to look appealing isn't a competition with the next dude, it's about competing with yourself and feeling better. Other guys can have the dad bod, I'll hit the extra reps of incline for them.

                              [–]Raisinbrannan -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                              You're setting the same standard that beauty magazines set for women. You must do this to be considered not a piece of shit. I just disagree. Do enough to stay healthy, but if you don't want to bulk up, then don't.

                              [–]OC71 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

                              Who fears the gym? I don't go because firstly it's boring and second it's just plain nasty, breathing sweaty air and taking a shower afterwards in some smelly changing room with other guy's pubes on the floor. Oh and it's expensive. I prefer to take a bike ride or hike a mountain instead, run on the beach, get out in the great outdoors. But each to their own, if you like the gym then you're probably already there, if you hate it don't push yourself, do something you like.

                              [–]SamuraiPizzaCatz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              The gym is all half of these idiots that post on TRP have, man.

                              [–]thepathelesstraveled -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                              Thanks for saying what lot of us were thinking. It's not surprising, really. Just sad to see many subreddits that promote any sort of common sense or pro-masculinity getting infiltrated by beta boys lately.

                              [–]Mrwinzor -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                              Exactly most of these gym bros go in to do curls for the girls it's hysterical and they wonder why no progress is made doing pussy work even after 1 year of consistency.

                              Lift get strong as fuck know where you stand aquire realistic confidence then train to fight for 6 months acquire extreme humbleness and confidence like no other

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                                [–]Endorsed ContributorRuleZeroDAD -1 points0 points  (2 children)

                                Internet points are not the functioning equivalent of wisdom.

                                The garbage fire you alluded to is indicative of a continuing trend of "just be yourself" invading an intentionally hyper-masculine space.

                                OP fucks. That's what Rule Zero Is for, successful male sexual strategy. Self-improvement is a side benefit of all of the things lifting heavy does to make fucking women easier.

                                Doesn't sound pleasant or nice or equitable. Too bad. The world requires losers for winners to exist.

                                [–]trpthrowaway2003 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                Internet points are not the functioning equivalent of wisdom.

                                True, but many people only read the top few comments, and solidify their judgment accordingly.

                                [–]Endorsed ContributorRuleZeroDAD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                Dumb fucks living in a TL:DR world.

                                Crab buckets only require a lid.

                                [–]JoDoStaffShow -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

                                Being realistic is the most commonly travelled path to mediocrity.

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                                  [–]SamuraiPizzaCatz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                  'Do what makes you happy' can mean to go through a shit time to get to a goal that will better you and make you happier.

                                  Of course, that kind of context isn't present on TRP where guys go to alpha-role play. The OP intentionally missed that context just to humblebrag that he lifts.

                                  [–]LibertyIsNotFree -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

                                  My red pill for the day. Don't arbitrarily rule out things that would make you better.

                                  If a year ago you had told me I'd be putting creams and salves on my body pretty much every day, I would have laughed at you and said something about I'm not a bitch, i don't use lotion. Because conceptually it sounds effiminate, when in reality what was effiminate was my poorly taken care of body.

                                  After going to the gym and actually making the effort to look at myself directly and candidly in the mirror. I started noticing some other things I always intentionally ignored. My whole life I always had red bumps on my arms (probably keratosis pilaris). It never mattered to me because I'd always have a shirt on. I realized the work I'm putting in is really about not having a shirt on. How successful can I be even if I get a pair of guns but still have these stupid red bumps all over? So I got Gold Bond's Rough and Bumpy skin cream, been using it for several months now. I now continously find reasons to wear muscle shirts. (something that didn't even exist in my closet 2 months ago)

                                  Going to the gym is hard. If you're doing it right, it's really hard on our bodies. Especially the longer you've waited and let youth pass you by. I'm not old by any means but I know I'm not young anymore that I actually understand the "getting older" concept, that there's pain and aches that just never existed. Now that I'm able to do like 50 pull ups and chin ups at the gym, my elbows will hurt after that. I started using Penetrex. I even bought it months ago, just let it sit around and never even opened it. Now I use it almost every day. I can't say for sure it works, but I definitely can't say it doesn't work. I ended up buying a large jar of it from Amazon Prime Day this week because I want to keep it around for a while. It's supposed to be an amazing anti-inflammatory (topical) which is a huge deal with recovery. Most NSAIDS, like Advil, have enough research that theyre strongly correlated with preventing gains due to their intentional effects to reduce pain that it also reduces muscle synthesis.

                                  Finally, this one is more specific to me as an individual. My eyes have always been the most commented on trait I have. They are not some boring regular color. But you know what doesn't look great about eyes? Dark circles underneath them. I realized I was letting that detract from them. Later I might get the laser skin lightening or something as a permanent fix but for now the past week or two I just started using one of the top eye creams from Amazon. Seems to be working fine enough until I decide to spend real money.

                                  tldr we spend hours upon hours every week in the gym. It would be outright silly we ignore spending $25 a month for stuff that you spend a few minutes on each day to further refine all the hours of hard work we put in for it.