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Field ReportIf you've Ever Wanted to See the Absolute Worst of a Woman, Just Refuse her sex. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table

It's been a crazy past two months for me. I have been busier than ever, balancing making money and having a healthy personal life. I had a very enlightening experience some time back, and whilst it's taken me longer than I thought it would to find enough time to sit down and share it here, I also think the amount of removal has granted me an additional bit of insight. So, here it is.

I've been doing a lot of consultancy work lately, as part of padding my income. It is actually in line with my degree, and has been more enjoyable than I thought it would be. I was consulting for one throughout April, which meant working at their offices. Now, I follow one of TRP's basic tenets, which is to never dip my pen in the company ink, even if the company just happens to be a temporary one. I have been making a consistent effort to widen my network and good relations, so any potential disturbance in the form of a bitter lover is the last thing I need.

April is, of course, where Easter falls, which means valuable days lost to a bank holiday. With this in mind, I spent the first half of the month busting my ass to try and get as much work done to ameliorate the days that would be lost to the holiday. The organisation I was consulting for of course recognised this as well, and decided to hire temporary support staff to oil the process along. This is where the fun began.

They hired two additional consultants to help with the work. One of them was a girl I went to varsity with, and had had a fling with before I met my current LTR. We had simply fallen out of contact, though we had hooked up once or twice when we bumped into each other. It had been over a year since we'd last spoken though. I thought very little of it when she came on board; I was grateful for the help, and this would at least save me time on getting accustomed to new co-workers.

We worked well together for the first two or so weeks. She is an industrious one, with a sharp eye for detail, and her contribution really helped move things along. Neither of us even mentioned our previous liasons, which I took as a sign of her having moved on. An overheard conversation mentioning a fiance confirmed this for me. Bully, I thought. On with the plot.

Fast forward to the last day before Easter. It's late and everyone else has gone home except for me, the former FWB, and the other consultant guy. Around 8, he goes home to his family, promising to do the work over the holiday. The girl and I both resolve to stay and finish as much as we can before heading home. She promises to drop me off if we finish too late.

We work well for another hour or so, before deciding to take a break. During the break, we have our first real conversation since starting work together. Turns out she's been engaged to this guy for about nine months now ( which, according to my timeline means he proposed after a few months, or, more likely, he was already in the picture during our trysts--fun times). She says he's great, and she's really looking forward to the the wedding and all that. Now, if you have been around women enough, you learn how to read them easily enough. I can tell shes holding something back, and I shoot her with a casual 'You sure?' She hesitates, but eventually spills that she's not sure whether she's ready to be someone's wife and all entails. She tells me that she still wants to have fun and maybe wait until thirty. Says she's got a bit of "unfinished business" she has to take care of, too. That last bit is delivered as she's leaning against the boardroom table, giving that look girls from the movies always shoot when they're trying and failing at being subtle about wanting you. You know the one.

The conversation steers to me and I inform her that I'm still with my LTR. She is amazed at this, cause I never seemed like the type, or "maybe it was just her". I shrug, and tell her it's no big deal. She asks if I still make time for fun on the side, and I shrug again, because I'm really not enjoying this conversation. I tell her she's gonna have to find out for herself, and settle back into work. In hindsight, I really shouldn't have said this, because I'm 99% sure this was what gave her encouragement.

We grind out the work for over another hour, before we're both satisfied enough with the work to be able to leave it for Easter. I tell her to get ready as I go to the bathroom to freshen up before we leave. I get back to the boardroom, and she hasn't put on her coat or grabbed her stuff or anything. Instead, she's sitting on the boardroom table right by my stuff, feet on one of the chairs, texting on her phone. I don't need to tell you what this means(If I do, then please, get more experience with women.) I go to get my stuff and she tells me we can't leave yet because she has to pick up a friend from somewhere and it'll be a few more minutes. Another moment of hindsight: I really should've just called an Uber at this point, but my brain was so fried it just didn't occur to me. Instead, I just sit down, lean back, and close my eyes. I start dozing off a little, till I'm woken up by a sensation running up up my leg. Our girl is sticking her toes up, tracing up the outside of my thigh. She says she's though about me a lot, and that us working together brought back a lot of feelings she didn't realise she still had. She wonders if we can have some more of our old fun. (We had a lot of public sex back when we hooked up regularly.) I tell her that's probably a bad idea, given where we are. She tells me that that's what makes it more fun. She moves to come and sit right in front of me, leaving no real room for interpretation. My mind is going through all the possible scenarios here. Truth is, I'm too tired to really have clear thoughts. I do know that I have zero interest in having sex with this girl, regardless of the context. But I need to steer this so it doesn't seem like I'm rejecting her. I bring up her fiance and she says that I was a round before he was, and 'first come first served' (huh?). I bring up that it's a bad idea, and she mentions how we used to do this all the time. I realise I'm making no progress here and excuse myself again, telling her I just need to freshen up again. I try to regain composure in the bathroom, and head back to the boardroom. She has a couple of her shirt buttons undone at the top now. Subtle

Me: Look, this really isn't a good idea. Her: I know, which is what makes it fun.

She gets up and slides right up to my face on her tiptoes. She tries to kiss my neck, and I gently slide away (benefits of being tall).

Me: We're both in commited relationships. You're getting married, for fuck's sake. Her: Let me worry about that.

She slides up to me again, and runs her hands up my obliques and lats. She whispers something about how I've been putting in more work in the gym, and she can't wait to see it all. At this point, I abandon all diplomacy and tell her straight up that I don't want to sleep with her. Ho boy.

She recoils, look of disbelief in her face. She asks if I think she's not pretty anymore. I don't answer, because that is a classic little bit of bait. My silence just seems to anger her, as it does for all women. She goes on a freaking tirade. Calls me all sorts of names. Accuses me of lying about having a girlfriend, and says that she never wanted to believe the rumours about me being gay back in college, but I'm probably getting "plugged in the butt like a fucking daffy." She spits out some more choice words about me. Tells me that she only ever slept with me because she just wanted to find out what it was like to be with a golliwog, but I couldn't ever satisfy her because I have a tiny dick anyways. She tells me to go fuck myself with my little dick. grabs her stuff, and storms out.

I'm left standing there, a sort of numbness over me. What on earth just happened? I gather myself enough to call an Uber, and I'm home in about an hour. I'm so tired I just go straight to sleep.

Aftermath: She acted normal after the holidays, kept everything strictly professional. Avoided me like I was the black plague; left after the assignment ended.

I didn't take time to really reflect on what happened until life became less hectic. This girl is the epitome of an open-minded, liberal person. Always in support of equal rights for women and minorities and all that. And yet, all it took was simple rejection from a guy in a relationship for her to sink to calling me the most offensive names available--the basic equivalent of nigger.--and accuse me of being gay. She was so riled up about me not wanting to sleep with her that she turned into an incredibly ugly person in a matter of minutes. Rejection was such a novel experience that she couldn't even process it in any rational form. And they say we're the ones who don't take being told 'no' very well.


[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 376 points377 points  (48 children)

She asks if I still make time for fun on the side, and I shrug again, because I'm really not enjoying this conversation. I tell her she's gonna have to find out for herself, and settle back into work. In hindsight, I really shouldn't have said this, because I'm 99% sure this was what gave her encouragement.

Make this 100%.

Had you told her "no, I am in a committed relationship right now and don't do this anymore" or some similar line, she would have had the ability to pull out of this with her dignity intact and probably would have twisted it around in her head until she had managed to convince herself that she didn't want you anyway.

But since you first made her doubt her commitment to fiance dude and then not-so-subtly encouraged her to try to get in your pants, she lost all plausible deniability, and with your rejection, lost face on top of that.

While this doesn't change the fact that she's a second rate human being (otherwise she wouldn't entertain the idea of cheating) or a psycho (otherwise she would have taken your rejection more gracefully), you could have easily avoided this had you just kept your conversation strictly on a business level.

[–]bluedrygrass 61 points62 points  (0 children)

Exactly. And even after prectically suggesting her to try him, later he kept "avoiding" it in the most indecisive and confusing manner. To me op was flirting with the idea of another pump to his hex, and then suddenly changed his mind. That's how he acted anyway, and while she definitely overreacted, like all the rejected women, he did all he could to setup that situation.

[–][deleted] 79 points80 points  (9 children)

Not sure and since I usually agree with your statements I want to chime in

Women don't believe men won't cheat because committed relationship.

Solipsistic that they are, they think loyalty is make believe

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 100 points101 points  (4 children)

Women don't believe men won't cheat because committed relationship.

Solipsistic that they are, they think loyalty is make believe

Yeah, and that's why she asked him whether he's open to a fling or not, and he practically invited her to push further.

Don't forget one thing. No, two things, actually:

  1. women as a rule aren't used to in-your-face-rejections; and also hate exposing themselves to the risk of suffering them; and
  2. they aim for avoiding blame for their actions.

So when she asked whether he's open to some side action or not, that was her way of setting the stage for further escalation. Had he nipped it in the bud by explicitly stating that he wasn't open to any flings, she could have reframed her question as mere curiosity, thus saving face - on the other hand, had she insisted on pushing that issue despite that soft rejection, it would have been far harder to externalize the blame.

However, I have the hunch that when he indirectly invited her in further pursuing the option of a little fling with him, only to reject her, she felt embarassed and humiliated because she exposed herself (at his invitation no less), only to get brushed off - and this made her go ballistic.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (1 child)

yes, put that way it makes sense. she still would have been rejected but had the face saving way out and could hamster she is hot

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 10 points11 points  (0 children)

and could hamster she is hot

or that she didn't want to bump uglies with him anyway.

[–]FakeGuru 38 points39 points  (3 children)

I take it the ways of the world are a mystery to you.
There is an etiquette to infidelity.
One person makes a move, but in a way that gives deniability.
The other can accept or reject the invitation gracefully.
The OP did not play by the rules.
All he had to do was decline politely and get on with his day. Instead he is humble bragging about the situation.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

haha, boy did you get this wrong

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 51 points52 points  (10 children)

You're absolutely right. I could've handled everything better than I did, but, lessons learnt. I've never found myself in anything quite this intense before. I'm probably lucky it worked out the way it did.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 75 points76 points  (2 children)

Too much TRP mastery made you applying good Game on autopilot haha

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Make me blue, Auvergnat. Save me!

[–]RPmatrix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

mate, we all make dumb mistakes when we're mentally exhausted

She sounds like she's BPD to me add that to the mix and I can see how this happened

Yes, were you 'on point' the strategies suggested by Sandman and others most likely would've worked, but when dealing with someone who's BPD (and female!) there's a decent sized "IF" in there IME!

[–]1Sir_Distic 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hindsight is 20/20. Plus you mentioned several times you were exhausted. Focused solely on the work so your head wasn't in the same place as hers.

Sounds like you did good. Just make sure you record it next time it happens for your protection.

[–]stemgang 22 points23 points  (3 children)

You only consider yourself lucky because you don't know what she is saying about you to your colleagues.

Your business reputation is likely suffering her slander.

[–]destraht 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes he was fucked over. They are poison.

[–]sa5dc 2 points3 points  (1 child)

just curious as lurking. is there even anything the op can do to repair his office "rep". or is it just ignore and disregard and move on

[–]TunedtoPerfection 9 points10 points  (0 children)

From the post they are both consultants so it will honestly work it's own way out. At worst he or she just loses the client, but most likely it won't have an effect on either of them professionally.

A consultant isn't going to be walking around her temporary office bad mouthing the other consultant for not sleeping with her.

Most customers could give a fuck all about what another consultant thinks about you as long as you do what you said you were gonna do, while staying on budget and timeline.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You should have did her in the butt.

[–]blackberrydoughnuts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

even asking whether she was sure she wanted to get married was probably a mistake... don't even start going down that road.

[–]evoblade 3 points4 points  (1 child)

This is definitely where OP fucked up. If he had just said something like "I'm in an LTR and things are going well so I'm not into that any more" it pretty much would have been end of story and she could have gotten away without embarrassment.

[–]IckyStickyPoo 2 points3 points  (14 children)

I found your interpretation interesting.

In my interpretation, he was overtired, gave her clear signals he wasn't interested, except for that one line, and told her he was in a LTR. She sexually harassed him and then made racist statements when rejected.

He didn't need to give her a way of getting out of the rejection with her dignity intact. That's on her.

I've been rejected before, twice. Neither time was I cheating. Men should not have to worry about a woman's 'dignity' when rejecting her or sex.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 4 points5 points  (13 children)

You don't get it.

Someone can be 100% guilty of some wrongdoing, and you can still share in the responsibility because you pursued a course of action that made a specific negative outcome a distinct possibility.

[–]IckyStickyPoo 0 points1 point  (10 children)

But he has no responsibility for her actions. It's all on her. She pursued and took it way too far and she got rejected. She also made it pretty difficult and uncomfortable for him, esp. when he wasn't sure at first if it was just banter or she was trying to cross the line.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 4 points5 points  (4 children)

If I walk into a ghetto full of thugs and hoodlums and get beaten up, that's all on the guys who attacked me.

Doesn't change the fact that going there in the first place was my own fault.

[–]IckyStickyPoo -1 points0 points  (3 children)

So... the female sex drive correlates to the savage, unstoppable desires of a ghetto of thugs - and she'll beat you to a pulp if she doesn't get sex.

Ok, but he didn't walk into somewhere where he knew she was naked and getting busy with vibrators or something. They are both business people, in an office, and both are partnered, and he said he has a partner.

I maintain it was all her fault and sucks to be her and get rejected.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 2 points3 points  (1 child)

So... the female sex drive correlates to the savage, unstoppable desires of a ghetto of thugs - and she'll beat you to a pulp if she doesn't get sex.

That was more a question of pride and narcissism than of sex drive.

[–]IckyStickyPoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Eh, another rp'er just told me to get out. So I'm out. Not sure why I stuck my nose in here.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

From the ethic point of view he's ok, however her feelings clearly signal he's guilty.

Women's world is not about morals, is about social morality. Which means you can stab your competitor's back in the most cruel ways and be a good person (that's business), but you can't take a woman feelings too softly. Obviously this makes the majority of women angry when they find out it's not true at all.

[–]IckyStickyPoo -1 points0 points  (3 children)

I'm afraid men and women react the same. I've been called a barrage of angry things when I've rejected a guy for sex. Whore, slut, lesbian, cock-teaser, barbie-doll, hope-the-next-guy-rapes-you...

In none of those situations did I give the guy any indication I wanted to have sex with him, and in almost every situation, I was a virgin. It could have left me with a very bad view of men if I'd let it.

In short, men have feelings too, and they also hate feeling rejected.

[–]ThrowFader 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Get out of this sub please, its not for you. Its for men not women thanks.

"I'm afraid men and women are the same because I personally had one bad experience"

Female solipsism at its finest....

[–]IckyStickyPoo -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Get out of this sub please, its not for you. Its for men not women thanks.

Yeah,'kay. Don't get your knickers in a knot.

It was multiple experiences and I did say they didn't taint my general view. I could prove that some men do have extreme reactions to sexual rejection, but you have no interest. Yes I know exactly what this forum is for.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The whole point of this sub is that girls remain girls while boys have to become men. And you are clearly talking about boys since those had 0 frame. So your experience yields little returns there, because you subsampling a segment which has 0 frame and is then irrelevant to us. Yes we do know most males are beta males and have weak frame, no that doesn't mean males and females are alike. We all start from beta, but eventually a male has to go through the true growth process, while for the woman this isn't necessary and is more of a hobby if it's there (which isn't based on wild drunk sex on saturday anyway).

[–]Insydeinformation points points [recovered]

Dude, STFU. I can't believe the beta shit I read on here sometimes. You are litterally just hamptersing a way to blame men for womens bad behavior just like blue pill people do.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Are people who cheat that bad?

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In her particular situation, with being engaged and the whole shebang? Definitely makes her an asshole.

[–]sir_wankalot_here 626 points627 points  (42 children)

If gender roles where reversed, I have been raped countless times. When I was younger, several times I picked up women at bars. We then went back to my place or her place, we had more drinks. Then I was tired I didn't feel like fucking them.

Anyway several times the chicks went crazy, they started screaming how horny they where, I should do something about it. Then they started screaming they will say I hit them, unless I fuck them. So I did the most sensible thing and fucked them.

When I was on Twitter, I asked Feminists if I was raped, according to them no, it was my fault. That is gender equality.

[–]KrispyTWW points points [recovered]

Ew you misogynist! Don't you understand only women can be raped!

[–]CQC3 33 points34 points  (5 children)

I had a sort of hilarious image in my head that if I was in your situation I would try to at least take my anger out on them by being super disrespectful during sex, "I'll grab her by the face and stick my dick in her mouth", "I'll blow a load on that stupid bitches face"...then I remembered that would have the opposite effect.

I mean what could you do? Just get 5 pumps in and blow a really quick selfish load, go "oops" and then dip out?

[–]bluedrygrass 26 points27 points  (4 children)

What the fuck of a question is that even? You don't have to do anything. You don't feel like having sex, you don't have sex, period.

[–]Synacku 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Yeah good luck with that when you have an annoying selfish "I'm horny, you have to fix it" type of girl on your hands.

[–]dizzyoak1 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Kick them out figuratively and even if you have to literally. It's simple. It's not a complex issue. I can understand if you're intoxicated, but for the most part you could still have enough control over yourself in most situations to kick them to the curb if they don't understand "no". No one is entitled to your dick, especially the sex hungry bonobos who go bat shit crazy like that. Even so, giving dick to girls like that is just potential for them wanting more and becoming a leech.

[–]bluedrygrass 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are we seriously debating this? You just tell her you don't feel it. What's worse, to hear a bitch complain or to be raped? What the fuck guys.

[–]Macheako[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seriously. What the fuck if she had an STD? Or got pregnant? Fucking LET THEM cry wolf.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 143 points144 points  (13 children)

Funny, ask most feminists and I probably emotionally abused this girl by leading her own or something just as retarded.

[–]butterestthrowaway 72 points73 points  (3 children)

Don't you know women are ALWAYS the victim?

[–]aanarchist 5 points6 points  (1 child)

even when she kills a guy she's still the victim, he made her do it obviously

[–]HydraDoad 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women are the primary victims of war.

[–]sir_wankalot_here 37 points38 points  (1 child)

Yah, I think with the stalking incidents, that was my fault also. I sent the women the wrong messages. I was leading them on.

Then again when the chick gets 20 beta orbiter to act as her personal slaves, that is empowerment.

Female hamstering cracks me up.

[–]RPmatrix 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Then they started screaming they will say I hit them, unless I fuck them. So I did the most sensible thing and fucked them.

man, this comment cracked me up! I spat coffee at my computer!

I'm not sure what I was expecting after that first sentence. But not that comment though!

[–]MagicGainbow 15 points16 points  (6 children)

I'd have reported her for the racist/homophobic remarks.

To be a dick i'd definitely tell the fiance.

[–]evoblade 13 points14 points  (5 children)

In that situation, where she seems unhinged, she might make a fake rape accusation.

[–]MagicGainbow 6 points7 points  (4 children)

She might do it anyway to get out ahead of her bf finding out shes been trying to play the field, she went from sweet and demure to super-homophobia/racism in the space of a minute...doesn't strike me as the most sane/clear thinking type.

[–]evoblade 4 points5 points  (0 children)

She might, but since the situation seems to be de-escalating, the best thing is probably to just let it, since op didn't record any audio.

[–]RPmatrix 2 points3 points  (2 children)

She's BPD bro, read and be warned!

Borderline personality disorder (BPD), also known as emotionally unstable personality disorder, is a long-term pattern of abnormal behavior characterized by unstable relationships with other people, unstable sense of self, and unstable emotions.

There is often an extreme fear of abandonment, frequent dangerous behavior, a feeling of emptiness, and self-harm.

Symptoms may be brought on by seemingly normal events

BPD's causes are unclear, but seem to involve genetic, brain, environment, and social factors

And it's hard to spot as they 'appear' normal ... at first! Plus they're often great in bed, seducing you via the little head! And are often women who seem like a great FWB -- until you reject them someway, then lookoout!

[–]sir_wankalot_here 0 points1 point  (1 child)

According to that definition, all women are bpd.

[–]RPmatrix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

pretty much, and I sometimes wonder if that the possibility is high, esp for a 20 something in 2017

[–]PizzaSatan 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Bruh, twitter feminists are a cancerous bunch screaming around in their own echo chamber.

[–]DennisReynoldsAMA 50 points51 points  (2 children)

Gender equality means female superiority

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Gender equality or modern feminism is simply equipping women with the ability to take ZERO responsibility for their actions.

[–]aanarchist -1 points0 points  (0 children)

it means female privilege cuz female superiority is an illusion held up on the shoulders of countless beta males.

[–]menial_optimist 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Wow you literally just raped me.

[–]choojack 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I like hocking giant loogies on them mid-fuck to show dominance in these situations

[–]SilverGryphon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why pick them up in the first place if you don't want to fuck them? That kinda defeats the purpose of picking up women.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

When I was on Twitter, I asked Feminists if I was raped, according to them no, it was my fault. That is gender equality.

Ah, the trick is to ask it the other way around. "Guy gets mad when sex doesn't happen and threatens the girl, she's terrified and has sex.... was she raped?".

You'll get a different answer.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sex is women's primary currency. It is their one tool they can hold over men to get what they want. If you deny them that, you deny them any power. It is this powerlessness that makes them irate.

[–]cahphoenix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What you have to do is post somewhere without identifying as a man. Wait for all the sobbing and then women saying it's not your fault. Then come out with the fact you're a man.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lesson 1: don't go on twitter for advice.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (7 children)

See if a Chinese prototyping shop can whip you up a low-key small-portable amplified recorder with a microsd slot. Put a 64 gigger in that bad boy and carry it when you go to the bar.

You may have a good sideline.

[–]bluedrygrass 41 points42 points  (4 children)

"a Chinese prototyping shop can whip you up a low-key small-portable amplified recorder with a microsd slot."

So... a small recorder, that you can buy everywhere without acting like 007 or something.. What's the need of using the most convoluted description.

[–]Synacku 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Literally hundreds on Amazon

[–]noct3rn4l 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Obviously he just watched Jason Bourne 4 on HBO.

[–]hi_i_am_new 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Or, you know... use that device with a microphone, memory and recording capabilities already in your pocket.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the stupidest post on TRP.

"I'm just so hot and this girl just wanted my dick so bad. This happens all the time to me because I'm so hot. My life is hard:(".

OP is a fucking douchebag

[–]FuckMichaelMcCoy 37 points38 points  (2 children)

Their hamster refuses to see themselves as unfuckable - the very core of it always falls back to this concept.

  1. Dread gaming her? Her hamster goes wild. She must prove she is the most fuckable chick to Chad!

  2. Not hitting her up? Her hamster goes wild. She must think shes not as fuckable as another girl who gets your time.

  3. ETC

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Welcome back.

Good story and I wonder if the fireworks really began before you turned down her pussy.

You mentioned barely noticing when she came on board as you were focused on the client and your career. You mentioned an improved physique. You mentioned falling out of contact which means you didn't chase her highness. I'm sure there were other cues and tells that to her meant only one thing:

Must fuck high value man.

Had you initially slobbered like a thirsty beta with a potbelly then none of this would have happened.

What do you think ?

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

That's one of the realisations I had. If, say, I'd rejected her before we ever had sex when she was still laying down subtle signs, I doubt she would've gone this far. But we'd already had sex for an extended period, and now my improvements probably reflect to her that I think I'm too good for her/ she's not good enough. Her ego simply couldn't take it, I guess.

[–]noct3rn4l 106 points107 points  (13 children)

I applaud your restraint -- in these situations I always struggle with whether I should listen to the angel on my shoulder or the devil on the other. On one hand, you did everything like it should be done and preserved your LTR. But life is short, and sometimes I like to play with fire. The devil on my shoulder would've torn that pussy up and blasted her in the face like a jackson pollock, and then burned that bridge to the ground by sending a pic/vid to her fiancé the very same night. Just to save the fellow bro from a lifetime of doom.

[–]Unver 28 points29 points  (3 children)

Reddit should come up with a follow-user button. I like the way you think sir.

[–]TonyZ554 21 points22 points  (2 children)

then blasted her in the face like Jackson Pollock

You have a way with metaphors my friend.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

and then send the same picture to his LTR, because he'd need to be honest with her as well.

[–]Peter_B_Long 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Most guys would've. But A: You don't shit where you eat. Him having sex with her could've ended up much worse than it did. and B: OP says that he really didn't feel like having sex with her. He could be lying, but IF he really was so fatigued he just wanted to go home, he did make the right call.

[–]cantFindValidNam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

in these situations I always struggle with whether I should listen to the angel on my shoulder or the devil on the other.

I would just let my dick make the decision tbh.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (5 children)

So god damn true. I was out of the dating world for 3 years when I found trp. I broke up with my ex 8 months ago and have been spinning plates. Women turn into absolute beast when you say no to sex. I had one get in my face and raise her voice and start ranting about how it's all about me and she doesn't feel important. I laughed and tapped her nose and walked out.

[–]evoblade 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Poke her in the noise and say "boop"

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I take a page from Stan smith from American dad

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

hit here with 2 fingers on her forehead softly and say "Sorry <name of plate>, next time okay?"

[–]DeNovaCain 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Definitely caught this reference

[–]JohnnyCocktails93 34 points35 points  (12 children)

Dude. I know you weren't thinking straight from being tired, but what if you went to the bathroom and turned on the voice memo app on your phone? You could have recorded the entire encounter and outed her cheating ass to the poor sucker who was about to wife her up.

[–]1Sir_Distic 33 points34 points  (4 children)

Recording it is actually a REALLY good idea. He should have done that. But hindsight and being that tired I can certainly understand and can't fault him for that.

But not to show to the fiance, but for his professional protection.

[–]destraht 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is protection against the nuclear option but that didn't happen and as another post pointed out she likely royally fucked with his reputation by saying all sorts of mean and personal things going way back from before he had most/all of his shit together. There just isn't much of a way to protect against that once a woman has worked herself up into a frenzy over feeling scorned.

[–]CQC3 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Recording is a great idea if legal of course, telling the fiance would be a waste of time.

Some friends and I knew this chick who one of our mates banged while she was dating this other dude who we have met, she was really ho'ing it up and this dude had no clue. She became more overt with it over time and he still couldn't see, she sort of treated us a bit shady too. Anyways, the point I wanted to make was she could've easily--by disrespecting us pushed us to rat her ass out to her fiance, but I told the boys it'd be pointless anyways. I mean, if a guy is so blind and invested, along with being a total beta that he cannot see even the most obvious signs, would he even believe anyone if they told him?

That's the trap really.

[–]PM_ME_AWKWARD points points [recovered]

Maybe in that circumstance it would have been a waste of time, but in most others it's not. Most cheating women do a very good job of hiding their infidelity. Their husbands, fiancées, or boyfriends get blindsided or more often remain entirely unaware of the infidelity (I can't remember the stat perfectly but something like 1 in 10 children aren't from the guy listed on the birth certificate). This is why the guys who choose to speak up do so. Only lazy liars or shitty manipulators get caught - and remember, women lie, women manipulate. It's their currency, it's the easiest way they effect change. They're good at it.

Personally, I'd say something in OP's situation and yours. Those relationships will ultimately fail. Help a guy out by exposing her so they can cut loose and use their time to build rather than waste months or years of their lives on sinking ships. While some idiots will stay and "fight for her" many won't.

[–]CQC3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends on how manipulative the woman is, but I agree. I try not to involve myself unless it's a good friend. A buddy of mine was rooming with that chick in the story along with another dude, so they all knew something was up. I told him not to say anything to the guy she was cheating on because there was a possibility that she would just turn it around by spinning a story that he was only slandering her because he came on to her and she rejected him, thus causing him to become salty. Which would be a plausible story considering for a time the fiance was away at college and my friend was obviously living under the same roof. Women almost always have the advantage in social manipulation, because they can naturally take a defensive stance that men cannot.

Not only would that lie reinforce her fidelity in her fiance's eyes (easy to believe what you want to be true) but would also provide a motive for such an "unbelievable" claim. Most naive BP guys so desperately want to believe in their SO that they would easily fall prey to any persuasion from her. Unless it's a really close friend worth saving, you'd better not bother opening that can of worms unless the man is older and more experienced, thus capable of being a bit more suspicious.

[–]Magnum256 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I've thought about this before, but is it really worth getting involved? I mean I'd help out my brother or long-time best friends if I found out their women were doing shit behind their backs, but if it's some random guy I don't see how it's your problem or why you'd want to bother. If she's willing to pull that kind of shit she's probably let a few things slip, if the guy's too naive or ignorant that's his problem.

[–]bears451 7 points8 points  (3 children)

if the guy's too naive or ignorant that's his problem

What a dick. Bros before hoes.

[–]StudntRdyTeachrApear 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Depends man. For some guys in certain circumstances, absolutely. Others, "Don't save her him, she he don't wanna be saved."

[–]himan235 0 points1 point  (1 child)

And then you have some pissed off guy show up because he said she said. Don't get involved in other guys shit when you dont know if they won't snap when their FIANCE for fucksakes says something about another guy FUCK No

[–]blackberrydoughnuts 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Be careful, recording without consent is a felony in a lot of states.

[–]animationphilosopher 46 points47 points  (9 children)

She sounds like a terrible person with zero empathy for her supposed soul mate. Fascinating to hear how she handled rejection. My guess is she will take this incident as proof that she is one step closer to the wall and will either give up the carousel and settle down with husband or fight against this and sleep with a bunch of guys to prove to herself she's still desirable

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 31 points32 points  (3 children)

Funny thing, she always was a sweet girl. It's one of the reasons why our arrangement lasted longer than it did with most. But still, AWALT.

[–]animationphilosopher 20 points21 points  (1 child)

The fact that she was a sweet girl just makes her reaction more fascinating to me. Very glad you shared this story. Sounds like this rejection really broke her self esteem

[–]analyticaltoafault 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Perfect example of how we men NEED to embrace failure and a perfect example of the sort of behavior when one faces reality and they are still terrified of failing.

[–]harsha_hs 6 points7 points  (0 children)

AWALT of course. I have seen this kind of butthurt behavior from my ladies and can vouch it will happen with any lady. They know that men love sex above anything else and still if you reject her offer, then you are implying she is outright ugly to make your dick hard and nothing else. Committed relationship? Lol every woman knows guys will do anything if they get to have sex with another woman

[–]xx69bootyhunter69xx 7 points8 points  (4 children)

settle down with husband

ie, have a beta slave on whom she can take her anger out for rejection from guys desirable to her like OP

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

New to red pill thought. When women "settle down" with a man, is it always like that?

[–]hawkeaglejesus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not always, but definitely heading in that direction. Just look at the term "settle down", does it imply you got the best deal possible or you simply took what was available to you?

I wanted a brand new Ferrari, but I settled down for a used Toyota.

[–]sa5dc 1 point2 points  (1 child)

this. im kinda curious can someone answer

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Women are incredibly sensitive to rejection. So yeah, you saying "you'll have to find out" is telling her it's safe to put herself in a vulnerable position with you and hit on you openly.

Then you should have assured her you think she's still pretty to pad the rejection. But you just don't think it's a great idea to hookup. Not sure what you meant by saying it's classic bait. Could you clarify? I don't see the problem with assuring her of her prettiness but holding firm in not hooking up.

So essentially you invited her to try something with you, and then let her fall hard. That's why she got so upset.

Look she's still crazy for getting that insane and you did the right thing in the end for not hooking up. I just don't understand why you're confused about her reaction to being rejected.

[–]richardguy 11 points12 points  (0 children)

giving that look girls from the movies always shoot when they're trying and failing at being subtle about wanting you. You know the one.

Instead, she's sitting on the boardroom table right by my stuff, feet on one of the chairs, texting on her phone. I don't need to tell you what this means(If I do, then please, get more experience with women.)

Well, looks like I'm going to start looking into a monastery...

[–]MattheWoolhead points points [recovered]

A very open minded liberal person

all it took were a few words and she turned into an ugly person

You just described the whole leftwing movement.

[–]evoblade 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Yep it's all politically correct and respecting everyone, until you make them really mad then out comes a tirade that would embarrass a KKK member.

[–]Mild111 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And you're the Supremacist when you don't play into their "Privilege" card.

[–]Arhamzubair 9 points10 points  (3 children)

This is super off topic, but whats consulting like?

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Busy. I'm still trying to make my name, so even more so. The clients usually have crazy deadlines, and even though most are willing to revise them because of how much work there is to do--others will simply view you as incapable.

[–]The_Grey_Wolf points points [recovered]

Hey there! I wanted to ask a similar question - what knowledge do I need to start consulting? I'm studying IT and planning to major in math/CS and I'm learning for about 6-8 hours every day. I was thinking on consulting in IT.

What minimal amount of knowledge is required for me to consult and what would be the first steps in consulting?

[–]Adach 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Get a job in the field man, it becomes pretty obvious what consulting in a particular field looks like after you've worked in it for a while. In my field at least it'd certainly require a good deal of experience under your belt.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 10 points11 points  (2 children)

 

And yet, all it took was simple rejection from a guy in a relationship for her to sink to calling me the most offensive names available--the basic equivalent of nigger.--and accuse me of being gay. She was so riled up about me not wanting to sleep with her that she turned into an incredibly ugly person in a matter of minutes. Rejection was such a novel experience that she couldn't even process it in any rational form.

 

"Feelz before Reals"

 

The female mind distorts reality to match her feelings.

You hurt her feelz... she will try to hurt you back.

This is even when you have every right to have a different idea about what is to happen.

 

  • Definition of "Asshole"

 

The name a woman calls a man who does not obey her.

 

An "Asshole" is a "disobedient slave".

 

[–]RPmatrix 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Definition of "Asshole" 

The name a woman calls a man who does not obey her.

haha! spot on!

and he's 'oh so offensive but I love him'

[–]NeoreactionSafe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What is funny is about five years ago it struck me that the term "Asshole" made no sense and I began to study it's usage. People use it slightly differently in different parts of the country.

In Nevada it's used all the time as a way to describe a guy that won't play along with whatever is taking place... "he's a stiff... an Asshole".

In Missouri it's a reference to the Big City mindset. So they would say "He's from New York and thinks he's so great... what a stuck up Asshole."

Each part of the country uses it differently and some use it often while others use it rarely.

The Upper Midwest uses it rarely because there is a "Niceness" culture. You reword your insult into code that is less visible. Vulgar language is avoided.

 

[–]timevampire88 13 points14 points  (3 children)

You're not alone. Same thing happened to me with a girl at the gym, turned her advances down and her reaction was somewhere between anger and extreme anger.

The first time we met was at a local pizza joint were she worked as a cashier, I was there to order two large pep's since my family was in town, anyways, when I go to pay she asks: 'Is that all for you?' meaning of course, if I wanted to order anything else, I kinda took it to mean if I was going to eat the whole two large pizzas by myself (is that all for you) and after 2-minutes of having a dopey look on my face i said....'No, of course not, why would I eat two whole pizza pies all by myself?' She burst out laughing, actually spat out her gum.

Fast forward a couple weeks and I again ran into her at a local grocery store, we were both on the check-out lane waiting for a grandma in front of us to pay via check when a second check-out lane opens up and the check-out out guy starts waving customers in, she immediately darts to the new lane but looks back at me and asks me if I wanna go first, again the same dorky look and I say: 'Aaaah, not thanks I'm already committed' (to the grocery checkout lane I'm in) she laughs again so I cut in front of her and move on with my day. Not gonna lie, felt like a doofus by apparently she thought my dorkiness was endearing. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

It wasn't until we ran into each other in the gym that things took a turn for the worse. This time it was just like what you went through. Subtle flirting ever increasing, no matter what I did she just didn't take 'no' for an answer, no amount of dipping and swerving would get her off my back. I just wasn't interested, it wasn't until I told her that I already had a gf that I really liked, that she really became frank about things, and I quote: 'I don't mind being your bottom bitch', now picture that kind of woman who would sleep with a man after several passing conversations, now reduce the number of teeth your imagining and add 40 lbs. That's her. Not trying to be vulgar but she looked like she oughta be pushing a catapult on towards Gondar with someone on her back blowing a trumpet. Never in any of our previous encounters did I ever even think about her in a sexual way. Heck, I wouldn't even drink from the same cup as her. I sure as hell wasn't about to risk my girlfriend, someone who I really cared for, someone who was a million times more attractive in my eyes, for someone who I WAS NOT EVEN REMOTELY ATTRACTED TO. Even if, I wouldn't treat my gf like that. Next thing I know, there is a middle finger in my face telling to fuck off. Luckily for me I stopped going to that gym and that was the end of that.

[–]himan235 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sounds like she was pulling a Hail Mary because some guy she liked talked to her for a few min. Ive had this happen with checkout clerks at places I frequent. They consider any small talk with an attractive guy = flirting. To be honest, maybes she not too far off because most guys in their shells wont do that

[–]MC518 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That orc joke was fucking stellar.

[–]King_Neptune07 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's wrong with missing teeth? Less of a chance to bite you with. So this lord of the rings chick wanted to fuck you in the gym? And making a scene by all the equipment and shit? You should have gone to the front desk and said you feel threatened and she's making sexual advances on you.

[–]simplisticallysimple 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Something tells me you took pleasure in rejecting her.

[–]re4d3 8 points9 points  (1 child)

"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."

[–]XZTALVENARNZEGOMSAYT 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's putting them on a pedestal. A women scorned is just an angry toddler

[–]BobbyPeru 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You led her on multiple times and had multiple outs.

Let's get real here - you wanted validation.

[–]NotUpToAnythingGood 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I once told a woman I was glad she didn't try to have sex with me.

Oh boy, did she ever go off the deep end in retaliation. Anymore, if I don't want to have sex with a woman, I pass by saying something akin to "I really wish I could but I can't because ______".

Doesn't matter if the reason is true or not. You politely and quietly let her down, she gets the perfectly reasonable idea that you would consider it but circumstances prevent you.

Avoidance, perhaps but a guy should be able to live his life with only the amount of drama he wants. He should also be able to do his thing without being shamed or bitched at by a woman because he exercised his agency.

[–]Paraknight points points [recovered]

Am I the only one here who realizes how ugly this could have turned? Never be alone with a woman like this. At least turn your phone recorder on. One false accusation and you can kiss your consultancy career goodbye.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

No doubt. The only saving grace is that there are microphones in the boardroom. Although, I'm wary of this now, even more so than before.

[–]RPmatrix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Although, I'm wary of this now, even more so than before.

and a good thing that is, So you should be!

[–]BlackMarmoset 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Actually happened to me once: a girl said something in the line of "we should meet on Thursdays so my period is over instead of Monday" and I told her something like "I'm sorry but I still love my ex", which sounded fairly beta-diplomatic to me. But no, she screamed at me for saying that.

Does anyone have any idea how to reject a woman without ending in tragedy?

[–]1Sir_Distic 9 points10 points  (0 children)

"I don't think of you like that." "You're like a sister to me" "Let's just be friends."

lol

[–]blackberrydoughnuts 4 points5 points  (1 child)

what's wrong with period sex?

[–]badDayAtBerchdsgaden 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does anyone have any idea how to reject a woman without ending in tragedy?

I just casually walked away from a chick that more or less propositioned me at a party and started into a conversation with someone else (pretty much everyone was 3 sheets to the wind at that point, and based on other events Im about 99.9 % sure it was just her looking to entrap me in some sort of embarassing situation at best, or a rape accusation at worst).

If you're in a social situation, just break off quickly (maybe with a quick excuse about needing to check on something) and dont engage more than that. If she still wants to raise all hell about it at that point, shes going to look progressively crazier the more obvious it is that shes hunting you down to verbally tear you a new one.

In a private setting, a quick excuse is also a good plan, probably accompanied by returning with another person when you come back (if that makes sense in context of whatevers happening), or just get the hell out of there. Neither sound like good options for OP though, given that he might be responsible for locking up the place before leaving.

But man, how I got out of that situation unscathed I will never know. The only good decision I ever made while drunk out of my mind was totally the opposite of what I would normally do, and it probably saved my ass.

[–]icutrauma11 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Everything that happened was all about her and nothing about you. If you had never met her this scenario would have happened in her life with a different man different place, if it hadn't already.

Liberal people are not open minded. Their only open to their own way of thinking that benefits them and calls for no sacrifice.

Never get caught alone with a woman you suspect this will happen without turning on your phone to record. Your extremely lucky she didn't call rape and all the white knights in the office would have vouched for her being "industrious" and "mind for detail". You would have spent a fortune in money and reputation just HOPING the truth would come out.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've had a few sulks, but not complete yelling.

Only yelling once, a gf got very fat and I just couldn't fuck her anymore.....after turning down sex multiple times she flipped out.

But I guess thats different to what we're talking about.

[–]Bulldogthrowaway17 points points [recovered]

She's pissed because you clearly lead her on. If you didn't want to hook up then why were you encouraging her come ons? Don't give us this "in hindsight" bs either. Unless you're socially retarded you knew what you were doing.

[–]harkrank points points [recovered]

You're getting downvoted but you're completely right. This story is plain stupid.

[–]hyugafan 9 points10 points  (0 children)

avoided me like the black plague

It's funny because you're black.

I feel sorry for the cuck-to-be. Hopefully she wears a rubber before divorce raping his ass into poverty and alcoholism.

[–]Hardstyle_Shuffle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

[–]BlackJ1 8 points9 points  (2 children)

This was heart wrenching to read and frankly it's just really sad. It makes me realize how much women in society has changed.

Turn the clock back decades ago and women doing this was unheard of. An action of a heretic, blasphemous. But now it's so normal to the point where its accepted in society.

[–]sir_wankalot_here 13 points14 points  (1 child)

LMFAO. No, a couple of decades ago, men just didn't talk about it. See my comment about where I was theoretically raped countless times. This happened a couple of decades ago.

I also got stalked a couple of times, that was my fault also. If only I would have manned up and fucked the women.

[–]RPmatrix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

a couple of decades ago, men just didn't talk about it.

and they still don't! Except in some places online, but IRL? no way, at least not with the same level of honesty they use here

I wonder what it would be like to fill a football stadium of Terpers and see how they all got along ... or of they did, and even if they did, I'd bet they 'made friends' talking about anything but women! lol

[–]cashmoney_x 11 points12 points  (2 children)

This is such an obvious brag post and you hamster like a woman.

[–]simplisticallysimple 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This only comes across as a brag post if you yourself haven't had the privilege of rejecting sex. Most of the rest of us have.

[–]prfrmnceart 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I've refused a lot of women sex and they they fought and pleaded a little bit but overall they were fine me with it and didn't go psycho at all like you are suggesting

[–]RPmatrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sure, but it's different when you pay for them

[–]Endorsed Contributorsqerl[🍰] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

giving that look girls from the movies always shoot when they're trying and failing at being subtle about wanting you.

You know the one.

Sadly, no, not everyone knows this look. Either they've never received the look or got the look without picking up the queues to recognize it. These people continue to live in a fantasy world where it doesn't exist.

Meanwhile, TRP exists to shed light on these aspects so others may know to be aware and why it's important to raise your SMV.

[–]Vincent_Marcus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this. Great story. Confirms AWALT. Don't get married.

[–]konfettiboy 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Instead, she's sitting on the boardroom table right by my stuff, feet on one of the chairs, texting on her phone. I don't need to tell you what this means(If I do, then please, get more experience with women.)

What does that mean?

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She made it so I had to be in close proximity to her. Basically, a means of trying to get me to initiate something

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When a woman decides she wants sex, she literally positions herself in proximity to men. Hence the reason girls night out, staying late at work, or going to the bar with co-workers is such an obvious tell.

[–]Rhythmic 2 points3 points  (6 children)

She goes on a freaking tirade. Calls me all sorts of names. Accuses me of lying about having a girlfriend, and says that she never wanted to believe the rumours about me being gay back in college, but I'm probably getting "plugged in the butt like a fucking daffy." She spits out some more choice words about me. Tells me that she only ever slept with me because she just wanted to find out what it was like to be with a golliwog, but I couldn't ever satisfy her because I have a tiny dick anyways. She tells me to go fuck myself with my little dick. grabs her stuff, and storms out.

There was this study way back that showed how to our brains rejection is equivalent to pain. You basically tased her, and for a while she was unable to think. Her logical brain was shut down and everything she said was a verbal convulsion. It had nothing to do with you and everything to do with how she felt (pain).

Aftermath: She acted normal after the holidays, kept everything strictly professional. Avoided me like I was the black plague; left after the assignment ended.

She managed to regain some self-control afterwards.

Our brains are hardwired to hurt us sometimes. It's an unlucky aspect of our biology. Another unlucky aspect of our biology is the propensity to believe in scapegoats, seek them, and indulge in a sense of superiority when we believe to have found one.

She's not a scapegoat, neither are you. She got hurt and lost it for a moment, but never did anything evil to you.

Not the happiest of stories, but not a horror story either. Don't take it personally. Move on.

This can serve as a warning though about what people with less self control may do to you. If somebody gets stuck in the pain and loses their mind permanently, their whole life may become about getting back at you. Avoid causing pain if you can.

[–]vzhu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You could say that she got triggered.

[–]Insydeinformation points points [recovered]

Jesus, you are one pathetic piece of shit. I can't even wrap my head around how backward and retarded this is. People will do mental gymnastics to justify women's behavior.

Seriously, just kill youself.

[–]Rhythmic 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Glad that this came up. I'm actually surprised that it took so long. You are giving me the occasion to explain in more detail some things I mentioned briefly in my previous comment.

Without realizing it, you are being very helpful, for which I thank you. Some readers may misinterpret this as sarcasm - which it is absolutely not. I mean it 100% seriously. You are demonstrating how certain unlucky features of our nature shape the ways we act. This is hugely helpful.

you are one pathetic piece of shit.

Seriously, just kill yourself.

There's a power in what I said: The power of not taking people's reactions personally.

As a matter of fact, a split second after seeing your comment, I was already having a huge smile on my face, which then morphed into a chuckle.

If you'd like amused mastery rather than offendedness to be easy and habitual for you, read on.

As I mentioned before, nature has equipped us with certain ways of misperceiving life, that are less than helpful. As long as we stay trapped in these faulty models of the world and confuse them for 'reality,' it's next to impossible for us to avoid creating unnecessary suffering.

People will do mental gymnastics to justify women's behavior.

This sort of idiot logic can be used to justify anything.

'Justify' is a concept which belongs in hell. Wrapping your head around how this is so may take a while, so keep reading. Shortly put, it's a faulty concept.

Here's the deal: I don't have to choose between being either naive or judgmental. Our default, 'natural' way for dealing with challenges is to become judgmental, seek out certain individuals whom we perceive as 'scapegoats' - and then proceed to hate and harm them.

This is worse than useless.

You are pissed at me for taking your scapegoat away. Having your scapegoat taken away HURTS. Until you get over that addiction.

When the feels take over, you can't help but fight back. Unless you learn to stop and think. This is very different from being 'weak.' Just like being strong is very different from acting like an asshole.

Making these distinctions takes some effort - which is absolutely worth it.

Hating somebody and 'knowing' that they are 'evil' doesn't give me even the least bit of power over them - so I'm best advised to mistrust these kinds of thoughts whenever they come up in my mind.

This keeps me safe from spitting out poison - just like that woman - and actually believing it. I let go of the desire to ever be the one who's 'right' to spit poison.

This is very different from being naive. I'm fully aware of people's faulty nature - including my own - and stay vigilant, but not hateful.

Here are some limiting beliefs that you may like to consider:

  • "Only unicorns deserve love."

  • "Unicorns exist and hating everybody else makes me one."

Can you understand how believing these things is both naive and cynical at the same time?

Realizing how these beliefs have ruled your life enables you to gradually reclaim your power from them. Here's one more:

  • "Being 'above those things' makes me a unicorn."

Nobody is ever a unicorn. This is especially true about me. By default, we are all consumed by the desire to prove ourselves to be the 'unicorn.' We want to be 'better' than others. We want to make our tribe to be the tribe of 'unicorns,' while proving that other tribe to be the tribe of 'scapegoats.'

These are the kind of thoughts that our limbic systems are hardwired to create for us. This is the inner beast fooling us from the inside. This is a part of our anatomy. Having a healthy brain equals having these kinds of thoughts.

The way to tame the beast is to expect these thoughts and refuse to take them seriously, each time they come up:

"I am 'good' and they are 'evil.'"

"Good beast, sit down!" (Ain't it cute? Chuckle.)

Depending on how you treat your beast, it can become either a fluffy kitten or the most horrific alien. And whenever you don't know what it's doing right now, there's a danger lurking.

So make a practice of observing your beast closely, and you'll become aware of how much control it has had over your life.

Back to the concept of 'justification'

Under close examination, 'justification' is the decision to perceive somebody as a 'unicorn' and not as a 'scapegoat.' Conversely, refusal to 'justify' is the decision to perceive somebody as a 'scapegoat' and not as a 'unicorn.'

Realizing how both those notions are completely divorced from reality, it becomes clear what an exercise in utter stupidity this whole line of thought is. Consider now what a huge part of humanity is wasting their thinking power on said stupidity. And how you have been doing the same.

Realize that this doesn't make you a 'scapegoat.' Of course not. It's laughable to even consider. But you've been falling for it.

Let's look at your concern once again. It seemed to have substance, didn't it:

Like.. do you not realize that she caused him pain during her "temporary insanity"? Did you miss that part? What if - using your logic - his mental pain caused him to lose control and start insulting her.. would that also be O.K?

For somebody still trapped in the notion of sorting people into 'unicorns' and 'scapegoats,' this seems to make sense.

It's important to sort my tribe members as 'scapegoats' and the 'enemies' as 'scapegoats.' This would keep me in an ages old vicious cycle.

Instead, I observe the process like it is a broken car or a piece of buggy software. I become aware of how the parts interact and decide whether to bother with finding a solution or withdraw myself from the situation.

Because I realize how divorced from reality our animalistic concepts are, the woman's knee-jerk attempt to diminish me has no bite whatsoever. I can't help but laugh, while at the same time feeling somewhat sad about her predicament. Just like I can't help but laugh at your attempts at insulting me and feeling a bit sad ...

VERY IMPORTANTLY, this kind of sadness is quite the opposite of trying to diminish anybody. This is why I'm now taking a shot at a solution: I'm trying to empower everybody reading this.

These ways of thinking are a bit unusual, and getting your head around them may not happen completely effortlessly. I certainly need practice at explaining them better.

Or, if anybody gets the idea from my crude attempt. Please, beat me at explaining it.

[–]Insydeinformation points points [recovered]

You have a decent big picture message, and I don't necessarily disagree with it. But you are making many incorrect assumptions about me and the nature of my problem with your post.

First, I don't represent the beliefs of the Red Pill. The Red Pill correctly addresses many of the problems with one facet of human nature. But I don't view the community here as any better than women or any other group, nor do I view myself as a part of the community here or of any community.

There is a specific problem I have with your post. And that problem is based solely on logic. It should be looked at separately from every other factor you are assuming motivates my disagreement with you. These factors don't motivate me whatsoever. My mind is more sophisticated than you think, and while with most people, the ego, emotions, and other tribalistic instincts blend into every opinion and action, this is not the case with me.

But back to the point.

A justification is the action of showing something to be right or reasonable The latter part of the definition is usually done through an inappropriate explanation when a less favorable explanation would have been more accurate. Such explanations are usually made when someone has an ulterior motive. In your case, the ulterior motive is less malicious than I assumed, but is an ulterior motive nonetheless.

The woman in this situation engaged in anti-social, narcissistic behavior - and her behavior should not be explained in any other way but the most accurate way. Your fault was explaining her behavior in too favorable a light as support for your ulterior motive for fighting tribalistic behavior.

[–]Rhythmic 0 points1 point  (1 child)

These factors don't motivate me whatsoever. My mind is more sophisticated than you think, and while with most people, the ego, emotions, and other tribalistic instincts blend into every opinion and action, this is not the case with me.

Edit ----------------------

It still takes me some time to remember that I'm no different. Thanks for reminding me.

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I'll just leave this here as an example of something our minds will do anything in their power to not see. I should really not be disappointed at reality taking its (almost) inevitable course. Perhaps I'm too impatient, who knows.

I won't push this any further now. My previous comment stands.

The woman in this situation engaged in anti-social, narcissistic behavior

The woman did something bad, and should I ever have made the impression of claiming otherwise, it's a failure of my communication, not my point.

In no way shape or form do I encourage spitting insults.

Judge the action, not the person.

her behavior should not be explained in any other way but the most accurate way.

Of course not.

There's a mental process that leads to certain behaviors. I'm making claims of knowing what this process is.

Knowing about what lead to something says zero about its consequences. If you somehow have gotten the idea that I may be denying the bad consequences of her behavior, please quote my sentence(s) that gave you that impression.

A justification is an action of showing something to be right or reasonable.

Let's have a look at what I wrote initially:

for a while she was unable to think. Her logical brain was shut down and everything she said was a verbal convulsion.

This is the opposite of claiming her reaction to have been reasonable.

Our definitions of 'justification' disagree. What I did is the opposite of your definition.

This sort of idiot logic can be used to justify anything.

Should you ever have had the impression that I 'justified' her actions (in the sense you use that word), I just logically disproved that.

Without claiming to be psychic, I have the impression that you may be inferring a malicious intent in her actions.

I'll never know what she really thought, but I consider this to be improbable - based on the way she behaved afterwards. Once the sting of the moment had passed, she refrained from pursuing revenge.

She had a weak moment after which she returned to being fairly decent, to say the least.

If there's still something bugging you after understanding this, I seriously doubt it has anything to do with logic.

Lifting the rug and seeing what's lurking underneath can be scary.

Remember, it's OK to not be a unicorn.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I legitimately had to get a TRO over this. Plate wasn't taking no for an answer and I know better than to call the cops on an unstable woman, so I fucked her so she would leave. Got the TRO so she couldn't come around making claims and have cut all contact since.

Women come unglued when you shut them down.

[–]slay_it_forward 8 points9 points  (0 children)

What the fuck did you expect dipshit? You basically asked her to fuck then rejected her. What would you think if a woman did that to you.

[–]TyrannicalWill 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Because of the insults, put the nail in the coffin and tell her fiance about the encounter.

[–]Sibilant_Engorgement 2 points3 points  (0 children)

MRP here. I don't always perform. I turn her down when she is hammered. She gets pissed off and sometimes is mean.

Women live in the now and want whatever makes them feel good right now. They regret decisions and claim rape.

Follow the side bar and live accordingly. I got married before TRP so I am fucked. But you have a chance.

[–]5850s 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is basically the plot to the book Disclosure by Crichton (also wrote Jurassic Park)

The catch was the woman was his superior, and when he refused, she accused him of sexual assault. Great book, I'd recommend it. Glad things didn't turn that ugly for you.

[–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

as someone who is sexually frustrated right now... it was hard to get through this post... other than that it was an enjoyable read. please keep posting.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In the limted times women have pursued me & I have not reciprcated it is as if I have murdered a child, the tantrums and bad behavior instantly vindicates me of my choice.

They really can be awfull when they do not get what they want.

Housemate on first night I moved rejected sex with one woman, called another one over, the other one came back and put a gas bottle through his sliding window (after 15 tries)

[–]frerri 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have an insane story like this. This 36y/o married mother of two ended up at the same work training as me. She kept hitting on me the entire night. But when rejected she started harassing me for 3 hours in front of everyone. Talking shit about me to bring out the white Knight in all the men in the training. This proceeded to knocking on my door and window of the room I was sleeping in from 12 to 4 in the morning untill the police arrived.

Fucking insane.

[–]ddelicia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The real lesson here is to not let your guard down near anyone, working late hours to the point of being exhausted mentally and affecting reasoning is a big no no for me. Know thy body and mind. Other dude left for hollidays. You didn't.

Either:

A) You were enjoying the attention or the situation of being wanted by that woman.

B) You let your guard down with a person whom you knew you shouldn't be trusting in the first place.

[–]Mckallidon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So fucking true. The clincher. They're more pissed if you're not fucking them just because, than if you're fucking someone else. If you're fucking someone else to them it's partially their fault. If you're just holding out you're invalidating them on multiple levels at once.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Imagine if you sunk all your money into blackberry, you'd be pretty upset when people tell you that Iphones are the bees knees. Likewise, women only have one card to play: sex. Refusing sex from her negates her entire worth as an individual. Luckily, men, if their smart, take a more diversified approach to their appeal.

Btw, I don't there is a better way to diffuse a hot and bothered woman then by warning her of your recent STD outbreak.

[–]SemperPrimus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

haha I was going to say, the gay accusations fly immediately when that happens. I've had 2 girls who work under me try to sleep with me. I've denied because I've seen it backfire in the past and my boss has a 0 tolerance policy when it comes to that. Next thing I know they are going around telling people I'm gay... lmao

[–]sirfuckboysupreme 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Had a similar thing. Met a tinder girl a while back and ended up sleeping together. She was a fun person to go for drinks with and coffee, bit i really don't want to sleep with her. When i agreed to meet her again and i told her that, she flipped. We still go for drinks, but she's putting in much more effort into conversation and I'm convinced she's stalking me slightly - nothing i can't handle.

Similar with a friend of mine who i value much more as a friend than a fuck. Said no to her face, with the reason why. She asked me the same thing again twice last weekend.

Tl;dr: my observation is that girls cant handle rejection (both thought it was because i wasn't physically attracted to them), and will try harder.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lol this is the red pill? This is more like "diary of a douchebag".

"I'm just so hot, this girl couldn't stop wanting my dick. Ugh my life is so hard"....lol. Jesus Christ

[–]lqtys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why would I want to see that...

[–]DJGammaRabbit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She has a fiance - she's already an ugly person for doing that to her fiance, it's not like anything else would've put icing on the cake.

[–]cashmoney_x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like how this plays out like a movie scene.

[–]TehJimmyy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get back to the boardroom, and she hasn't put on her coat or grabbed her stuff or anything. Instead, she's sitting on the boardroom table right by my stuff, feet on one of the chairs, texting on her phone.I don't need to tell you what this means

Someone confirm my assumption.

[–]Mescuzzi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

During the time OP collected himself in the bathroom the second time, he should have started an audio recording on his phone (on iPhones, not sure the feature's available on others). Went back in, described the situation again for the record with leading questions, so that he covers his ass.

This situation could have gotten a lot worse if she wanted to be a bitch.

[–]Datson_Horrenbrand 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are never rejected so they dont have this experience, simple

[–]angrysingledad 0 points1 point  (3 children)

i was the victim of a violent attack recently by an older black woman who i tought was a good friend who got angry because i did not want to have sex with her. i had to sidestep the authorities on my way out of the apartment complex because someone had reported a domestic assault... this is a function of our times. men have no rights and women know this. evil times and evil men and women taking advantage of good men like us. we have to stick together men, not only on the forums but in real life. thank you OP for telling the real story of whats going on out there and inspiring me to take up my sword against the forces of evil. XOXOHTH

[–]blackberrydoughnuts 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Xoxohth? You mean the law school admissions board, or does that mean something else?

[–]angrysingledad 0 points1 point  (1 child)

its kind of a tribute and also a greeting but yeah i used to be on there though i never made it to law school. i tried to get back on recently but i saw you needed a .edu email. as it happens, i came up with a new system that i believe will take over the current system and restores power to men. Long live men of redpill who believe a man needs to have sex with a lot of women to stay healthy

[–]Mr-Ultimate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're a good writer. This reads like an erotic novel except with a surprising twist.

[–]GeneralMO 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is absolutely true. Story time lads.

A year after I graduated high school in 2013 this one girl who I had done some heavy kino with during senior year "mysteriously" appeared at a local store about a few blocks away from my place. She called me up and asked me to hang out for an hour or two. She was a swimmer, very athletic body, and a nice blonde girl. Unfortunately like 95% of all women she let herself go after high school and was starting to pack on the weight at a rapid speed. I picked her up from the store and we chilled in my car outside of my place. During this time she was making it obvious that she wanted to get down (putting her arm around my headrest, getting up close to me, and so forth) Unfortunately I had stayed in shape after high school and I just couldn't bring myself to lower the bar as she went from a 7.5 to a solid 4. Eventually it got really late and I stepped outside of my car debating what I should do with her... it was definitely a guaranteed lay that night but I just could not get over all extra weight (solid 30 lbs) So I just took her home and I could see/feel the vibe from her that she was not going to have my dick that night.

Fast forward a week later and suddenly I hear from the grape vine she was talking all sorts of smack like we had sex... She said my dick was small, I busted too fast, etc... and I was more amused than mad to be quite honest. The only issue I have with her now is that she poisoned her social circle against me out of pure spite/jealously. I was talking to her way more attractive friend at the time and suddenly I got the cold shoulder from her as well.

Gentlemen do not enable these women at all what so ever and DO NOT ENGAGE in any form of fighting with them. These women who have their ego's bruised badly will bait you hard to start beef and it's up to you to not play into their frame.

[–]magmadorf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like a personality disorder.

[–]scarletspider3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can confirm. Once in my pre Red Pill days I said no to a female who's pussy smelled like the garbage in a fish market. She flipped out and smacked me.

[–]Johnnyvile 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I knew what was coming before you got to it. Little dick and gay. This seems to be what women do when a guy doesn't want to have sex with them. I remember overhearing two girls talking at the bar. One was complaining that this dude she liked wasn't trying to have sex with her even though she was being really flirtatious. Then she's like is he gay or has an std or a small dick? I like how a good looking woman has to make any other excuse besides the fact that maybe not every guy is interested in banging them for many other good reasons. They are too used to the fact that all they had to do was slightly offer sex and every guy in the past would do anything for them.

[–]Expectations1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jesus women have almost become like driving, be a defensive driver, dont be put in a crash situation no matter what they do.

[–]newName543456 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This girl is the epitome of an open-minded, liberal person. Always in support of equal rights for women and minorities and all that

Progressives not practicing what they preach? Color me surprised...

[–]enkae7317 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Careful she doesn't cry rape because you two were left alone together.

[–]Spoopsnloops 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I bring up her fiance and she says that I was a round before he was, and 'first come first served'

it's sad that that's life, but this is the kind of stuff that makes me look differently at marriage.

[–]Wissenschaft85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hahaha, look at the bright side. Do you really want to be with such a woman? Shes not a woman at all. She a little girl thats never been rejected pretending to be a grown women. Just like modern western society does not teach men how to be men anymore, it fails to teach women how to be women. Are the meanings of the words tact and class lost to most women nowadays?

[–]LOST_TALE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you mean superior rights for women and minorities. It's not like taxes handouts and discrimination laws are equally applied.

[–]fisheater1 points points [recovered]

I know unicorns don't exist and I know TRP dislikes marriage but what if a man doesn't have sex until he's married?

In a way, not having sex until marriage would be one giant shit-test of your own to determine if she's a unicorn or not. By not having sex, you would see if the relationship would survive without sexual pleasure.

[–]RPmatrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but what if a man doesn't have sex until he's married?

subs like 'deadbedrooms' appear

[–]RPmatrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This girl is the epitome of an open-minded, liberal person. Always in support of equal rights for women and minorities and all that someone with classic Borderline Personality Disorder! and they're usually red hot fucks, BUT ...

And when you demonstrated a trait she doesn't have,, but wants AND then by refusing her advances, you effectively "abandoned her", consequently lighting her short fuse and Boom! Instant retaliation of the most severe kind!

Which is, in fact, a form of her 'self sabotage' or 'self punishment' as it's really her subconscious 'projecting'

But she's consciously unaware of this, which is partly why your 'logic' failed with an apparently 'logical girl. Once they've been 'triggered', look out!

I think many women (people) have varying levels of BPD, which many of us men have experienced without knowing so which has caused all sorts of mindfuck while we are trying to either mitigate or understand "What.The.Fuck just happened there?"

Me: We're both in commited relationships. You're getting married, for fuck's sake.

Her: Let me worry about that.

Ahh, of course, here's Briffault's Law. "promises? What promises?"

I wish it didn't exist but ... as soon as I read this it was clear this girl "makes her own rules to suit the moment"

She's clearly a Type A personality

Combined with major 'control issues' all Type A's have ,, it's a recipe for disaster.

As you noted; " Rejection was such a novel experience that she couldn't even process it in any rational form."

Yep. Such people avoid situations they can be rejected in and she thought this was one of those times. Her 'response' was very typical of BPD

I pity the poor schmuck she's 'hooked' as her BB!

One question OP, before this event, did you ever imagine this girl would behave like this?

IME such people avoid anyone who can 'see through' their 'personas' or has seen them 'lose control' like she did that night. I'm not surprised she avoided you like the plague after that night,

BUT I wouldn't be surprised If she doesn't "leave it there" ... y'know that saying "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"? Here's a fine example.

There was a great post about BPD women/people in TRP about a week ago that's well worth reading for those who want to know more women with BPD, "wild in bed and fucked in the head!"

[–]LadyBota 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This story low-key turned me on xD What a whore.

[–]ECTD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is why you put your foot down right away. I have no clue as to why you let her lead you in this conversation. As a man, you lead in every dance or follow the professional—depending on the setting. Here you goofed when you humored her. You had no good reason to head down the crap-chute you inquired about.

[–]dancingkungfy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was with you until the political comment.

[–]Degenerate76 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You did the right thing by turning her down. I can imagine how tempting it was.

I would say you encouraged the situation and then humiliated her, but don't feel bad about it, enjoy the satisfaction of turning the tables. Women do this to men all the time, and as she was trying to cheat on her fiance she deserves no sympathy whatsoever.

[–]King_Neptune07 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anyone else notice how the girl was craving his cock, but yet when he refused, she insisted that his penis was small? That seems to be a go-to insult for people uncomfortable with themselves. She wanted his dick but then insulted what she couldn't have. "If we had sex, it would be so satisfying! You can never satisfy me!!"

Either she A) doesn't really think it's small or B) doesn't really know what she wants. Or both.

[–]FakeGuru 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Please don't give us all this crap.
If it was someone ugly coming on to you, you would have run away.
You also wouldn't be posting about your educational moment.

[–]ChristianRedpill points points [recovered]

And Joseph was a goodly person, and well favoured. 7 And it came to pass after these things, that his master's wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me. 8 But he refused, and said unto his master's wife, Behold, my master wotteth not what is with me in the house, and he hath committed all that he hath to my hand; 9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God? 10 And it came to pass, as she spake to Joseph day by day, that he hearkened not unto her, to lie by her, or to be with her. 11 And it came to pass about this time, that Joseph went into the house to do his business; and there was none of the men of the house there within. 12 And she caught him by his garment, saying, Lie with me: and he left his garment in her hand, and fled, and got him out.13 And it came to pass, when she saw that he had left his garment in her hand, and was fled forth, 14 That she called unto the men of her house, and spake unto them, saying, See, he hath brought in an Hebrew unto us to mock us; he came in unto me to lie with me, and I cried with a loud voice: 15 And it came to pass, when he heard that I lifted up my voice and cried, that he left his garment with me, and fled, and got him out. 16 And she laid up his garment by her, until his lord came home. 17 And she spake unto him according to these words, saying, The Hebrew servant, which thou hast brought unto us, came in unto me to mock me: 18 And it came to pass, as I lifted up my voice and cried, that he left his garment with me, and fled out.19 And it came to pass, when his master heard the words of his wife, which she spake unto him, saying, After this manner did thy servant to me; that his wrath was kindled. 20 And Joseph's master took him, and put him into the prison, a place where the king's prisoners were bound: and he was there in the prison. 21But the LORD was with Joseph, and shewed him mercy, and gave him favour in the sight of the keeper of the prison.

Genesis 39 King James Bible

[–]Thephilhouse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women don't initiate in that way, think you've been watching too many films