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As soon as he sells his companies, his wife leaves and takes half the money. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by MaybeUT95

Quora question:

What did you do immediately after selling your company?

Answer by Kevin Kruse

"Got divorced and lost half the money. Well not immediately…

As soon as the deal closed I drove home, very excited, and asked my wife to log into our online banking account to confirm the wire transfer went through.

She sat in front of the laptop. I stood behind her, looking over her shoulder at the screen. That boot up sequence took forever (yeah, it was a Windows machine).

Finally, she logs in and clicks the account number and…there it is! A totally life changing amount of money. I feel happy, and relief, so much hard work and…

“Wow, I could leave you now, take half and never work another day the rest of my life,” she said flatly. And then she chuckled as if it were a joke.

Even as a joke I thought it was a weird thought for her to have in that moment. I chuckled.

Two weeks later she sat me down and said she feels disconnected in our marriage. We should go to a counselor to try to save things, but if we can’t fix it, we should split up while we’re still young enough to find someone else and get married again.

Six months later we were separated.

Six months after that we got divorced (yes, she got half plus alimony plus child support).

Six months after that she got engaged to the guitar player from church."


[–]420KUSHBUSH 925 points926 points  (198 children)

This is why I have trust issues.

[–]segagaga 341 points342 points  (134 children)

This is why ultimately all of us have had our eyes opened.

[–][deleted] 241 points242 points  (133 children)

This is why I legally make $1 a year and hold no assets.

Take charge of your assets so no one can take them from you.

[–]ronnoceel points points [recovered]

Do you have information on how someone could go about doing this?

[–]TRP Legal ExpertColdIceZero 469 points470 points  (68 children)

Tax lawyer here. PM me if you want to have a conversation about this. I teach free of charge.

Edit: alright, I'm getting a lot of PMs about this. I'll write up a post about trusts in a day or so.

Edit2: here are the links to Parts 1, 2, and 3. I'll have the final part up Friday evening.

Part 1 - https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/62hzco/tax_lawyer_here_what_is_a_trust/

Part 2 - https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/62i9n2/tax_lawyer_here_for_what_purposes_do_you_use_a/

Part 3 - https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/62igi3/tax_lawyer_here_trusts_marriage_trusts_divorce/

[–]-Universe- 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Please do, it will be a lot helpful. Thanks.

[–]Burlaczech 21 points22 points  (0 children)

post the link here so I wont miss it :-)

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Hell, do a webinar. I'll pay to watch.

[–]SwordfshII 25 points26 points  (3 children)

Yep, my parents have a trust set up. It is also good for avoiding inheritance/capital gains/estate/income tax which is why they have it.

Which is absurd if you think about it.... the money is taxed initially, then when your parent's die the government can somehow take 35-40% of the already taxed money simply because they transfer it to you?!?!

[–]JoeAsheville 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Federal estate tax exemption for 2017 is $5.45M before that scenario becomes an issue. If your family has that much (or more) in assets, then I have no doubt they know accountants and lawyers for wealth preservation methods. YMMV with state inheritance taxes, however...

[–]SwordfshII 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Capital Gains taxes are the main problem and what I was referring to. I was a bit off with the 35-40% though.

[–]beginner_ 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Interesting would be if someone here has knowledge about this stuff from other countries.

[–]B-Soze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Norwegian here. Not 100% on the law. But that shit would never hold up in court. If you make such a huge leap in your assets and your wife leaves you so suddenly, you would have the upperhand in a courtcase

[–]nomansapenguin 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Please post the link here. This would be amazing. Thank you

[–]Trooper_1868 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes please. Please post the link.

[–]SSolus 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thanks alot, will be waiting on your post!

[–]BinaryResult 7 points8 points  (1 child)

also curious about this, will you post to this subreddit?

[–]TRP Legal ExpertColdIceZero 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes

[–]isayimnothere 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Commenting to find you again.

[–]ArkAngelEV 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Please do and make it sidebar material. Of course, all disclaimers that its all theoritical and you're not representing us and whatever to save your skin, but that would be knowledge in GOLD.

I think all of us can agree with the sentiment; You've gotta learn how to protect yourself cause no one else will do it for you

[–]maxofreddit 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Saving for later...thanks in advance for you knowledge

[–]mattizie 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Commenting so I can search for your post later.

[–]thebrandedman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You now have my undivided attention.

[–]Xeagu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Commenting to get a follow up

[–]Seoul_Brother 4 points5 points  (0 children)

:) Commenting so I can get the update as well!

[–]stainedtopcat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Reminding myself so I can Learn about trusts

[–]honorocagan 3 points4 points  (1 child)

RemindMe! 48 hours

Come check out this helpful post

[–]AUAUA 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm just using bitcoin right now, any good ideas for untouchable money, I'm all ears.

[–]tacundavid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

RemindMe! 3 days "TRP Trusts"

[–]citadel72 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What country are you based out of?

[–]pm_me_gains 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Commenting to bookmark this

[–]brngamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Commenting so I can find this later

[–]Battle-Scars 33 points34 points  (57 children)

Educate yourself, find a good CPA, find a good attorney, before you need either of them.

[–]NakedAndBehindYou points points [recovered]

Or just don't get married. How many times do we have to fucking say it?

[–]Battle-Scars 30 points31 points  (7 children)

There's a lot more people to protect your assets from than your wife.

[–]mattizie 24 points25 points  (6 children)

Not to mentiom common law.

Soon enough having a one night stand spend the night at yours will be enough. It's already only 6 months before you're considered defacto in Australia.

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 13 points14 points  (5 children)

"It's already only 6 months before you're considered defacto in Australia."

You are shitting me. Is that 6 months of something serious like a pooled bank account? ... Or just 'shacking up' for 6 months binds your for life?

[–]MuleJuiceMcQuaid 25 points26 points  (2 children)

The clock starts when she leaves her toothbrush at your place.

[–]LordThunderbolt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's why we tell you guys not to move in with girlfriends

[–]ronnoceel points points [recovered]

Moreso holding no assets. I'll be graduating school with pretty good pay soon and figure if there are ways I can protect myself financially from the beginning, I should do them right off the bat. You have links, or just topics to research myself?

[–]OriginUnknown points points [recovered]

I wouldn't get too excited about it. Perhaps it's possible on paper without attracting the IRS, but only a total jackass would go before a judge claiming to live on $1 a year. That is an excellent way to secure a very unfavorable outcome.

[–]Toussant 20 points21 points  (8 children)

He was probably not being literal. But basically, pays himself low bracket income for living essentials and does much of spending through the company, including housing.

[–]OriginUnknown points points [recovered]

And I would reiterate that judges are not stupid and don't care about your income avoidance strategies. If you live a six figure lifestyle and try to portray humble means when it comes time to pay your spouse, you're gonna have a bad time.

[–]Toussant 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Do you have some direct experience with this? If a judge pisses off a really rich dude, could well end up being stupid.

[–]coolred8611 0 points1 point  (3 children)

You would think if the judge is a male, that he would understand the game, shit...even BP males know that divorce is ugly, and not let divorce rape happen.

[–]alexclarkbarry 13 points14 points  (24 children)

put all of your money in Bitcoin, nobody can prove that you are the owner.

[–]steelerfaninperu 14 points15 points  (0 children)

It's not that simple. Bitcoin is on the radar.

Legally, if you want to be 100% compliant, you need to treat it like an asset or a stock, reporting your purchase price and your selling price.

Now, if you want to be completely in the dark you could not report it, and probably get away with it. But come selling time (let's say after your hypothetical divorce) all that income could raise some eyebrows.

If you stick to cash sales of BTC you'd be fine, but then you're looking at more legwork and less reliability.

[–]endogenic 6 points7 points  (14 children)

That is not the case. Bitcoin is completely traceable, non-private, and is also not fungible like a true currency must be. The IRS is already having bitcoin exchanges like Coinbase report the activity of all users. The only legit (non-scam) and truly private digital currency out there is Monero (visit r / Monero)

[–]wheresMYsteakAt 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Which needs to be purchased with Bitcoin

[–]endogenic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Once the funds are in the circular economy of Monero the problem you are suggesting disappears. That's why the important thing is for Monero to be actually used rather than just bought, held, and pumped by price speculators who call themselves investors. But, I digress….

[–]shadexs55 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I was about to make this comment. You beat me to it.

[–]dontaddmuch 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Dash has been gaining more popularity than Monero lately and is worth checking out as well.

[–]alexclarkbarry -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Read the sidebar and remember female solipsism, some complicated online currency is "boring" and does not interest her, she will not know or care if you take a few hundred of YOUR hard earned cash and put it into a hardware wallet each week. Then in divorce court she will not be able to try to claim your Bitcoin, as she does not know they exist.

[–]miracLe__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is going to be the way in the future I think, and its perfect.

[–]0x75 0 points1 point  (5 children)

But he will end up losing half of it regardless

[–]shadexs55 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Not if she doesn't know it exists.

[–]0x75 1 point2 points  (3 children)

no, I meant to say, if the bitcoin price in dollars fall

[–]Battle-Scars 1 point2 points  (10 children)

Yes, find a good CPA and attorney. Interview as many as you need to, talk to successful businessmen in your area and get recommendations. Tell them what your goal is and they can help you.

[–]Fellero 12 points13 points  (9 children)

Your full of shit in other words.

[–]meh613 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In essence, you assign your assets to your pass-through LLC and make yourself sole owner of said LLC.

[–]aanarchist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

damn bro teach me your ways

[–]trp_dude 58 points59 points  (0 children)

This happens ALL the time. In Silicon valley,where billionaires are minted left and right, women are alway "taking the money and run" chorus over an over.

[–]beginner_ 47 points48 points  (5 children)

This is why you keep your finances to yourself.

This is why you should consult a financial professional if you are going to sell your company and rake in millions.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (4 children)

That's the thing. I have never understood people who reveal their finances to someone, especially a woman. Never cohabitate and never tell her how much money you have or make.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

A lot of guys do it to get the woman in the first place. It's not everything, but it sure doesn't hurt. BB still do get some sex, especially early on in the relationship, when she's trying to get commitment.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I mean I guess it depends. Obviously, it's hard to hide if you are a billionaire, but the fact this women had his LOG-IN information to his investment/bank account is ridiculous.

[–]LordThunderbolt 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Let's not even talk about joint bank accounts

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Getting a joint bank account even when married is something I don't understand. That is pretty much giving the ability for your girlfriend or wife to clean out your bank account if she is mad at you.

There was a story on here a long time ago from a guy who works at a bank. The wife goes to the bank to take out half of the account, since they are getting divorced. The husband shows up to the bank later, having a break down because of what happened.

Look up the story titled "Marriage and Money - A Retail Bankers Perspective"

[–]RedPillRobin 75 points76 points  (22 children)

I was completely ambushed by a woman who now gets $1386 a month from me. I was red pill aware at the time and while I knew we might split I never understood exactly how money hungry and coniving she could turn. Never again will I be that vulnerable.

[–]420KUSHBUSH 86 points87 points  (3 children)

And everyone calls us assholes and misogynistic for taking precautions. Society's a joke

[–]that_star_wars_guy 29 points30 points  (0 children)

It's simple. Discredit and paint as fringe those who are a threat to the system, and people who would have other wise believed your claims won't.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Fuck it. Let 'em. It was such a load off the day I decided that those words didn't hold any sway over me anymore.

[–]DevilSaintDevil 33 points34 points  (6 children)

$5500/month here. It could be worse.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Instead of a college degree, I needed a pussy between my legs. Damn I came to this life totally unprepared.

[–]Docbear64 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Holy shit People talk about women getting Cash and prizes when they leave valuable men but that's ludicrous .

[–]coolred8611 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Bro, may God bless you. I couldn't do it. Thank God at least you earn that much. That's fucking OD.

[–]EsteraMC points points [recovered]

What? Why so much? Does she need it for child support? WTH?

[–]DevilSaintDevil 1 point2 points  (0 children)

About 1/3 is child support that will end in 10. Alimony for 20.

[–]TheFalseKnave 19 points20 points  (4 children)

Christ that's not much less than I earn in total in a month. How long do you have to keep paying her?

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Yeah seriously. $1386 is a fuck ton of money to have to fork over each month.

[–]DevilSaintDevil 3 points4 points  (0 children)

20 years of marriage, 20 years of alimony. About a third of the total is child support that will end after 10 years.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Seconded. If you were redpill aware, you would have met with legal counsel, found out your obligations, and built a proper roadmap.

Red pill men don't get ambused, they are prepared for the worst. I'll bet you never had a fuck you fund either...

This is why you don't naval gaze over a bunch of 'fuck that chick' crybaby posts. learn AWALT, do the work to minimize damage

[–]verify_account points points [recovered]

a woman who now gets $1386 a month from me. I was red pill aware at the time

You can lie to yourself but you don't need to lie to us. You were not red pill aware or you would not be giving this woman your hard earned money.

[–]LordThunderbolt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He most likely thought that his snowflake unicorn was different and not included in AWALT.

[–]Gorech1ld 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This shit right here is why MGTOW is gaining popularity. When a woman can just up and leech off of you after marriage, it makes marriage and relationships in general a huge liability and gamble.

No, seriously, this LITERALLY makes marriage in general gamble. You wanna marry a "sweetheart"? Go ahead, but just be wary that one day she'll probably get tired of you and then divorce you and continue to leech off of you.

God, I swear this alimony shit is inhumane. It's so retarded as well in "feminist" society. Apparently women are equal, but need to leech off of men even after the marriage is over in order to keep up her standards of living.

[–]LordThunderbolt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You thought your special snowflake unicorn wasn't part of AWALT? How cute.

[–]cbdexpert 34 points35 points  (6 children)

Kanye West taught me in 5th grade that you need a prenup.

[–]420KUSHBUSH 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Cute the bomb met her at a beauty salon

[–]Uzinero 5 points6 points  (2 children)

We want prenup, we want prenup!

[–]shsytwtsaggaan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Honestly, thank god for rap music. That shit is a big reason that I did t turn into a chump like most of my friends and classmates.

Its hard to turn into billy bluepill when 50 Cent reminds you every day that "theres no juliet for a romeo with no dough" or when Future drills into your head to "chase a check, never chase a bitch"

[–]LordThunderbolt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It still might not protect u if the judge says so. There's been cases were the prenup is thrown out the window on the grounds that she was forced/pressures to sign it. Solution: Don't get married. Don't cohabitate.

[–]yomo86 27 points28 points  (0 children)

This is why you are never to asume that you are the anomaly in the face of the odds

[–]SouthernFit 27 points28 points  (0 children)

The only trust issues you should have are your trusts offshore, incase of an event like this.

[–]JComposer84 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He should've put that money in a trust the second she said that.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is why I am never getting married. Don't want to put all the assets that I have worked to achieve, at risk through an agreement with not much upside.

[–]Ri8Order 13 points14 points  (16 children)

Oh and the foolish OP continues. Some people never learn.

Am I bitter? Nope. Life is too short to be stuck in a bad marriage, and she was right, it was a bad marriage. She just had the courage to call it.

Making money is WAY easier than finding love or happiness. But the next time I decide I’ve found the love of my life, a prenup will definitely be involved. ;-)

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

What an idiot. He should have said that he will never get married. Some people deserve to have money taken from them, I guess

[–]theONE843663 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Too bad he don't know that a prenup isn't worth the paper it is printed on.

[–]Ecanonmics 2 points3 points  (2 children)

They are, but just for what you had before the marriage. That's what TRP doesn't understand. Prenups only protect pre marriage holdings. Anything you earn during the marriage will be split, prenup or no prenup.

[–]theONE843663 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeh that's why we need to marry up and divorce rape the bitch after lmao.

[–]Seoul_Brother 1 point2 points  (7 children)

So I think we should also have a discussion on what advantages NOT getting a marriage license and having a pre-nup ready would entail in terms of legal protections.

Obviously getting married straight up with marriage license and surrendering your life to one woman who could legally screw you over is asking to lose money, but there could be a case where a woman is decent enough to deserve a union of some kind and you like her enough to wanna have babies. Unfortunately you can't self replicate yet and honestly if she is traditional enough and would actually be a good mother/ keeps fit/ cooks and cleans/ is loyal, wouldn't you wanna keep her? If divorce is inevitable, I'd rather have it so that I can enjoy what time I have with the woman, but protect myself legally and be ready for the day she or I wants the divorce rather than not go through that experience at all.

[–]flashbang123 2 points3 points  (4 children)

If you get married, expect to get divorce raped. Over half of all marriages fail these days. You know the odds, you just don't like them.

[–]Seoul_Brother 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I didn't say that I wasn't expecting it. The reason why I'm asking in the first place is because I expect it lol. I was saying, what legal considerations/ preparation could you do well in advance to protect your assets/ children? Let's say it's doing preventative maintenance to take full on divorce rape to maybe a divorce molestation lol.

I'm not a betting man. I like to be prepared for most negative outcomes.

[–]Docbear64 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sometimes the best way to win is simply not to play

[–]LordThunderbolt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why don't u just do the smart thing and not get married.

It's like there's a road that leads to a place you want to go to, but right next to it is field that's littered with mines. You're very aware of the mines being there, but you decide to skip the straight and safe road. You start asking people for maps with the location of each map on the field, you ask for where to find techniques to disarm mines once u step on them, you start looking at semi advanced first aid knowledge for if u get your legs blown up by a mine etc etc. You see how stupid that sounds? Just avoid the minefield and take the regular road. It's safe and will get you to your destination.

[–]EasyChief 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That figure that 50% of divorces end in marriage is a misleading statistic. In a given year there is 1 divorce for every 2 marriages. But that stat completely ignores the tens of thousands of marriages that already exist before a given year. It also doesn't account for people who have multiple marriages and divorces.

In reality, less than 30% of all marriages end in divorce and the divorce rate has been shrinking since the 70s due to a number of factors.

[–]LordThunderbolt 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Explain to me in what universe do u need to be married to have babies? I never understand that moronic argument from guys. "Oh, well one day I wanna have kids so I gotta get married to her", no you tucking don't. You want kids? Nut inside her repeatedly until her stomach starts swelling up. That's how kids are made. Kids aren't made by marriage. You don't owe anybody any commitment ceremony. If she can't understand that you're not in favor of marriage, then you just dodged a bullet. Don't let her or family members try to shame you with "man up" and "stop being a commitmentphobe". Pump a few kids in her if u want kids, just don't get married.

[–]LordThunderbolt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Prenup can't save you these days. Why can't you guys accept the idea of not getting married? You gain nothing from a marriage.

[–]pathetic21 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Holy shit what a fool, calling what she did courageous, simply unbelievable he is still plugged in after getting wreck em' ralph'd so hard. He should have owned guns and made it known what would happen if she tried something stupid like that.

[–]AncientScrolls 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lesson of the day: Never show your savings to your wife or gf no matter how many years your guys have been together.

[–]newName543456 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Trust issues" became a muddled term. It's one thing to be paranoid over everything, it's quite another to pick up on things that cause you to not trust someone/something, often turning out to be on point.

[–]Schhwing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Internet storiez not always realz. But nevertheless a bad story.

[–]Fuknmods 371 points372 points  (40 children)

The only marriage material woman is the one who will stay with you knowing that you'll never marry her. Get a lawyer for children and to prevent common law marriage, cohabitate forever, win the game.

[–]Toussant 28 points29 points  (18 children)

Common law marriage can be avoided?

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (3 children)

In general, there is no Common Law marriage. Only a small minority of States have it, the UK doesn't, Australia effectively has, Europe doesn't, British Columbia has it bad (just a few months is enough).

[–]LordThunderbolt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Have her give a $1 check for rent every month. Make her sign an official lease. She'll legally be a tenant and can be evicted at any moment.

[–]ingenjor 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If you're in an LTR in Sweden and buy an apartment or house for your own money and later break up, she has the rights to 50% of the apartment/house and all furniture/electronics you got for the apartment after you got together. Seemed pretty crazy when I found out. Apartments are pretty expensive in Stockholm, so a lot of money could be lost.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sweden is just fucked. It's nuts

[–]Fuknmods 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Depends. In canada nope. In some states like MA you need to want to get married in order to get common lawd so its avoidable there. Do your research.

[–]Burlaczech 0 points1 point  (12 children)

just do it "without the paper"? She can change her surname, name the kids with your surname, write the property on both of you etc. and avoid the divorce (most of it).

[–]dgillz 12 points13 points  (11 children)

Most of the things you just listed will help her considerably in court if she ever leaves.

[–]Burlaczech 1 point2 points  (10 children)

but there will be no court if there is no marriage?

[–]fug-it points points [recovered]

If you both put your names on houses, bank accounts and things like that, you're treating it as a general business partnership, and generally, if one party wants out, the other has to buy them out

[–]Burlaczech 1 point2 points  (1 child)

in that case yes, but it is optional (as opposed to marriage). You either want to have the house on yourself/herself or both (which is the reason for marriage sometimes). My point was that you can get that without "the paper".

[–]LordThunderbolt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

House goes on your name only. You can make her sign papers to rent space in the house you own. Every month She'll give you a $1 check. Legally she'll only be a tenant that can get evicted at any moment.

[–]dgillz 4 points5 points  (6 children)

No, she can sue. Read up on the founder of Maglite, who never got married, yet she cleaned him out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Maglica#Palimony_Lawsuit

[–]D2nny36 4 points5 points  (0 children)

How does this happen, do they just automatically favor the chick? Like it's always the guy that loses everything, but what is it everything? And why is she entitled to half his money, why is it not the other way, or they just both go separate ways, this is so bullshit.

[–]Burlaczech 1 point2 points  (0 children)

that was really interesting, first time reading about "palimony" being a thing. I do not know about the topic so therere is (as in every court case) a lot of information that I am not aware of, but from what I know after readint the article, was that they had some deal as a couple and after breaking up, they split the shared property? as a non-native english speaker, the terms are too complex for me.

[–]Fuknmods 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Read your own article. She worked for his company and was in breach of contract. As for palimoy suits in general, the wiki article claims its used when there is an absence of legal agreements. Which wouldnt be valid as i said you'd need a lawyer to handle cohabitation, children and avoiding common law.

Even then its the lowest possible risk unless you wanna go ghengis khan a bunch of women in foreign countries that you'll never visit again or willingly become a genetic dead end. I studied biology so the latter isnt an option for me.

[–]dgillz 1 point2 points  (2 children)

She worked for his company and was in breach of contract

Allegation, not proven. She won damn near $30 million. Meaning he, and by extension men in general, are at risk even if they weren't married, which was my point all along.

[–]Fuknmods 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If nothing but risk mitigates life then why even have sex since you risk child support from pregnancy every time. Condoms and pills can fail. Even then you risk a false rape accusation.

You ignore some risk in everything you do.

[–]imn0tg00d 24 points25 points  (5 children)

Don't live with them either... Live by your damned self!

[–]LordThunderbolt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Make her pay $1 rent every month. She'll legally just be a tenant who can be evicted at any moment.

[–]1Original_Dankster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, don't expect that to work everywhere. Most provinces in Canada impose common-law after 6-12 months cohabiting.

[–]PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So it is possible to prevent common law?

[–]Fuknmods 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Again, depends on where you live. Check local laws. In some states it absolutely can be avoided.

[–]BigFaction 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I say this to my friends sometimes because all their girlfriends never stop pressuring them about marriage. Hopefully they think about it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is why female sexual primacy pushes so hard to blind men. When they're trusting and believe in the love myth, you can pull wool over their eyes like what we've just witnessed.

[–]pongpong123able 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She stays with you because you give her the tingles. When you marry her, you change in her point of view, you become a beta and she will soon leave you taking half of what you own

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Make sure you can actually do this where you live; does not work around here.

[–]kagetsuki23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the only ones worth marriage, is ivanka trump family money level. otherwise not an option.

[–]I_AM_CALAMITY 0 points1 point  (3 children)

What type of low-value woman would need to jump through your hoops?

[–]Fuknmods 1 point2 points  (2 children)

What type of low-value woman would need to jump through your hoops?

What high value man would willingly sign the worst contract imaginable? Go back to TBP and help raise your wifes son.

[–]I_AM_CALAMITY 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It was just an observation that when the market's inflated, seller's of houses won't sell to you just because you know their actual value. They can get a better deal elsewhere unless there's a trade-off you make somewhere. If they give something up, it's because other factors make it worth it, which is as you say being a high value man.

[–]LordThunderbolt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If she can't accept that I'm not getting married, she's welcome to fuck right off with her bullshit. Abundance mentality.

[–][deleted] 226 points227 points  (19 children)

Wow. With that severance pay, being a wife must be one of the most rewarding jobs of a lifetime. It appears that the legal system enforces black widow spider mores on men.

[–]spencerc25 101 points102 points  (17 children)

Until you can name one bad reason for women to marry, they will continue to do so. All upside, no downside.

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 54 points55 points  (2 children)

They even have an upside on engagement. It's the 21st century, and women receive equal pay for the same jobs -- but still men are expected to plunk down a month's salary on a shiny bauble with no resale value.

[–]Unnormally 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Stick with lab created diamonds for the savings. Google says they're about half the cost. But your point is made nonetheless.

[–]badDayAtBerchdsgaden 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also ethics behind how real diamonds are mined

[–]test822 90 points91 points  (2 children)

“Wow, I could leave you now, take half and never work another day the rest of my life,”

haha yeah and I could murder you and bury you in the forest

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

both are crimes but one of them is actually LEGAL :/. Guess which one.

[–]xXx420VTECxXx 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is why murder suicides happen :C

[–]gimme3strokes 186 points187 points  (10 children)

During my divorce I was fortunate enough to stumble upon the Colonel Quaritch meme "above your tomb" and it changed my view entirely. I handed over a check for 50k to my ex and drove away in a Camry. 5 years later I drive away with my kids in Jaguar. The 50k is gone, the marriage is dead, and her hope is gone(30 more years at a work a day job for her). I win, I lose, I move on. I explore, I create, I blaze new paths, I never stop. Whatever she gets it will only be a piece of what she could have had. Instead of being the main character in a great life she is no more than a foot note. That woman didn't create anything, she only stole things. My world is infinite and not limited to one situation, one woman, one company, one loss, one win. The sad part is that these types women can't imagine anything better than what is in front of their nose.

[–]alvlear 58 points59 points  (6 children)

did you hear the recent british story where a judge offered a woman more money 12 years after divorce, because she lost her previous settlement and was in distress? no?

[–]Amogh24 19 points20 points  (0 children)

That is ridiculously biased towards women, they don't have the right to that money

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

[–]xXx420VTECxXx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

WHAT A WAY TO START THE FUCKING DAY. 😡

[–]Burrito_Capital 16 points17 points  (0 children)

A bit long for a mantra, but sound reasoning bub!

[–]jakeecio 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Perfectly laid out. Congrats and move on.

[–]HS-Thompson 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I've been in exactly the same situation and this is a perfect summary of the correct attitude to have. Sometimes I'm actual thankful that she helped temporarily ruin my life because starting from scratch is probably the reason I have twice as much now as I ever would have expected.

[–]ajbrooks192 118 points119 points  (37 children)

How the fuck is this part of our legal system? We have such complex laws for everything else. This makes me so fucking mad.

Serious though - what are the downsides to getting a prenup? Like how could a woman possibly say no to that and you still want to marry them?

[–]Klldarkness 139 points140 points  (20 children)

Biggest downside?

These days, judges can simply toss them out, and still give her half your shit.

They don't even need a reason. It's completely up to the judge whether or not to enforce the prenuptial agreement.

[–]kadykinns 66 points67 points  (11 children)

Is that true? How the hell can a judge make the decision to complete disregard a notarized, legally binding document?

[–]Klldarkness 117 points118 points  (7 children)

Plenty of reasons, honestly.

In the UK, unless you have atleast £7m in assets, the judges are advised to ignore the prenuptial agreement.

In America, anything that implies that it wasn't fairly written, or the woman claims she signed under duress(requiring no evidence, or explanation), will get it tossed out.

Ohhh! And my favorite:

Married for more than 5 years, or have more than 1 kid? Prenuptial agreement denied!

[–]mr-no-homo 90 points91 points  (5 children)

Smh. All these stories about a man doing his best in life, working his ass off for years, decades and then its ruined by some bitch makes me never want to get married.

[–]11-Eleven-11 52 points53 points  (3 children)

That's what I've been saying. It's not safe for men in western civilization to get married anymore.

[–]beginner_ 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Exactly. And why would you want to anyway? if you really, really need a ceremony for this (which is kind of beta anway) just do it unofficially, eg. not legally binding. You can still exchange rings and to the whole charade but without the legal issues.

[–]ImSquanchingInHere 12 points13 points  (1 child)

That's actually just as bad in some states. If you're in a state with common law marriage, like Texas, then that would be evidence of an informal marriage and you would still be subject to marital property division for community property (eg. your income from the date the informal marriage is deemed to have taken place).

[–]TThom1221 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That might be overselling the evidentiary use of an informal ceremony in Texas. It's likely unfair to say an informal secret ceremony is just as bad as a formal marriage.

While you are absolutely correct that in Texas, an informal ceremony can be used as evidence to establish the elements of a common law marriage, the other elements of a common law marriage must still be proven (e.g., holding yourselves out in the community as being married, et cetera) and meet the requisite burden of proof, which would be on the party asserting a common law marriage.

[–]choomguy 26 points27 points  (0 children)

You would be a fool to unless she has a brighter financial future than you. Eg., the best marriages i see today are the ones where the woman is some type of high earner, usually medical field,but could be executive, lawyer, etc, and earns at a minimum, slightly more than the male. This frees the guy up to be passionate about manly work and hobbies, and as long as he is dominant, and understands red pill concepts, its easy to keep her attraction. It definitely helps if she is a notch pr two down the pole in smv, obviously.

So basically, yeah, get married, as long as it it clearly financially in your favor. Or live like a hermit and bank everything til you are in your thirties. You will have a nut that will allow you to pull chicks way over your head, pump and dump. By the time you start to have difficulty pulling attractive women, you will be sick of them. Its the circle of life the way it was meant to be.

[–]Burlaczech 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am not denying your statement, but could you please provide some facts or sources that I could verify? Because if it was true and verified (sorry, law graduate syndrome), it would be huge and great to know.

[–]riztd 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Google it, you'll see lots of reasons including just 'not enough time between engagement, signing, and wedding'

[–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not legally binding that's why. There is no law on the books that says "prenups are valid". Also, nobody can make a contract that violates government law. For example, you can't have a valid contract to be someone's slave because that violates the law.

Marriage law is government law. Prenups basically prescribe terms that are contrary to that marriage law so the terms can be thrown out whenever a judge wants.

[–]RealMikeHawk 43 points44 points  (3 children)

That isn't entirely true. An air tight prenup can't be overturned, but there are tons of loopholes a wife's attorney can exploit to get it overturned.

Divorce lawyers are not something to cheap out on. Thousands on a great lawyer will save you millions potentially.

[–]CacTye 18 points19 points  (1 child)

This needs to be higher up. A good prenup will be enforced, but she needs to be represented by independent counsel before she signs.

[–]SwordfshII 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Paid for BY her, from her own account

[–]ImSquanchingInHere 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is exactly right. So many of these guys are idiots and try to go cheap on their pre-marital agmts and download forms off of the internet instead of going to see an experienced attorney.

[–]dem_banka 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That shit about tossing out your pre-nup is half-true. This can only happen if the pre-nup is not set up correctly.

Source: Worked in Private Wealth Management

[–]EsteraMC points points [recovered]

These days, judges can simply toss them out, and still give her half your shit.

They can't. Please learn law.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Let's think about this:

Hey dude. I have this SHITTY business proposition for you. Sign this contract and you cannot enter into any agreements with any other parties (monogamy). Then if and when the business venture fails I'll take 50% of all your assets. And possibly your future assets earned AFTER the divorce. Furthermore, for any children you have during this relationship I'll get access to your gross income starting at 20% GROSS. By the way you will NOT get to take a tax break even though I took your money post-tax.

But as bad as the above deal sounds... Why don't you get this "protection contract" (prenup) which MIGHT hold up in court and it MIGHT mitigate your losses, but however will not supersede state or case law.

Doesn't the deal sound soooooo good? I mean, who wouldn't sign that contract?!

Just get a prenup bro!!! LOL Cuckolds.

[–]grewapair 44 points45 points  (7 children)

The idea is as follows. The woman gives up her career (hah!) to raise kids. When the kids are teens, she might go back to work part time after a long hiatus, but she probably isn't getting career track type work any more.

A few years later, divorce. She's financially fucked. Who will hire a 35 year old with no skills?

Meanwhile, the man can keep earning, as he's continued to advance all those years, building skills and generally becoming more valuable. He'll land on his feet, while his wife is financially fucked for life.

Obviously this doesn't really work in a lot of situations. But the law has taken away the judge's discretion to make sure no one feels like someone else got a better deal.

Don't shoot the messenger, I'd never get married - I'm not that stupid. And my mom couldn't have gotten a job had she not had kids, she's too scatterbrained, but she got to divorce rape my dad anyway.

But that's the general idea.

[–]ajbrooks192 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Does this still apply if the dad gives up work to take care of the children?

[–]grewapair 30 points31 points  (2 children)

Believe it or not, the laws are usually applied pretty evenly when the shoe is on the other foot. Higher earning women get divorce raped just like higher earning men. Of course, women don't usually marry lower earning men, I wonder why.

[–]theONE843663 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lol damn bro next time Imma lead on a bitch and fall in love... Only to end it because she makes less than me. Hahaha I'd like to look at her fucking face at the exact moment of cognitive dissonance!

[–]sashapaw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's true. My mother is divorcing my step-father (he is a gambling addict and gambled away thousands of dollars over many years). He is taking her entire IRA, half the cost of the second house, and wants half of her pension. The only thing he owns is a trailer, so my mother has absolutely nothing to gain from the divorce, while he makes out like a bandit.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. Specifically, it's referred to as "provider/dependent spouse."

[–]Endorsed Contributorthelandofdreams 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Who will hire a 35 year old with no skills?

There are a lot of jobs in my town that can't find enough people to do the work. But the work is hard and not glamourous.

Why can't the woman just go be a janitor? There are unskilled janitor positions in my town that pay 25k a year starting out.

[–]Peter_Principle_ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Serious though - what are the downsides to getting a prenup?

It won't protect you from cs or alimony payments. I suspect it also won't protect you from loss of assets acquired after getting married.

[–]YiloMiannopoulos 9 points10 points  (4 children)

We need less laws. Everything that exists HAS to have a set of laws. See, Vaping, drones, divorce. Ect

Every gov involvement in life is shitty and unnecessary. Besides infrastructure and public utilities.

[–]beginner_ 16 points17 points  (0 children)

This will never go away. The whole point this exists is for the state to safe money. If the man doesn't pay, social wellfare costs for single-moms would explode. So the state needs the men to pay. Of course the disguise it as equality, feminism, fairness and so forth but it's about money and nothing else.

[–]Burlaczech 3 points4 points  (2 children)

or you can live by a book written centuries ago (middle east) where your life is dependent on your family ties and trust.

or without the book, filled with incest among people living in a rainforest seeing 30 women in your life and after proving yourself to be worthy, being allowed to touch one of them.

apart of that, people in civilized world need family law which they obey - for good reasons. everyone is unhappy with this law or another, but in general, we all agree and obey them - the only way to go forward.

to the topic - man needs more incentives to go into marriage nowadays. he used to get a house and lot of money from brides family (at least here) and complete loyalty from her, as she entered his family and left hers. But thats not really happening anymore.

[–]YiloMiannopoulos 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I understand your argument. But I don't think laws should be a crutch, so to speak. It all comes down to each and every individual to do his part and not rely on laws. Laws generally paint with a wide brush. It's 4AM right now so if none of that made sense i apologize.

[–]Burlaczech 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the purpose of laws is supposed to be that everyone does their part, like you have said. if some do not, its a specific problém that needs reform (laws are a process that is constantly being reformed to fit the current situation), not that laws in general are a bad thing.

Without any laws, the strongest would dominate and create their own laws, and for the sake of effectivity, they would have to get more liberal again (could take generations), a vicious circle. Laws are good and have a good reason to be here.

[–]segagaga 1 point2 points  (0 children)

AFAIK one of the main downsides is some jurisdictions do not recognize pre-nups. IANAL though.

[–]Casanova-Quinn 53 points54 points  (22 children)

asked my wife to log into our online banking account

If this guy wasn't in BP fantasy land, he could have moved his money to an offshore account or a trust. I don't know why so many guys have a joint account as their main account. Aside from having enough for groceries and bills, joint accounts shouldn't have excess money in them.

[–]alvlear 31 points32 points  (5 children)

this is how bluepill betas think. i see plenty of them write cringey shit like: "we bought 2 acres in the country," "we planned on saving 30% of what we made." dude, how about you? the individuality is lost on the first waft of pussy.

[–]HorumOmnium points points [recovered]

A lot of people find it extremely rewarding and satisfying to experience and build something together. And many things that are out of reach when you're buy yourself become possible when you're with someone else.

My $400k income makes many things possible, but the $350k income of my wife opens up a lot of extra possibilities.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Exactly. The whole "my money is your money" bullshit is so cringeworthy, unless you are /u/HorumOmnium whose wife makes way more than him.

[–]HorumOmnium points points [recovered]

Huh? She makes $50k less than me.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I read that as $400K TOTAL INCOME, for some weird reason. lol

[–]KrylliKs 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Because he didn't even entertain the prospect that his wife may leave; protecting his money probably wasn't even a thought that entered his mind.

[–]grewapair 7 points8 points  (0 children)

TRP needs to put a ban on the word Trust. IT DOESN'T FUCKING PROTECT YOU FROM A DIVORCE.

There was a record of how much he got, because someone paid it. Where the money went right after is irrelevant. He had it, no judge is going to let him walk into court and claim it's gone.

[–]akatsukirp 55 points56 points  (7 children)

This guy had his wife checking his bank account. Never give anyone access to our knowledge of your assets.

[–]John_McFly 62 points63 points  (6 children)

My wife crapped herself when she saw my bank statements while I did our taxes one year, she wanted us to take all of my cash reserves and go on a 3 week vacation immediately. Nope, those reserves are exclusively for when my rental property needs a roof or HVAC.

She sulked for weeks. I learned my lesson and do our taxes while she's at work, we still don't have a joint account.

[–]e4tshit 18 points19 points  (3 children)

They're spending machines. I can't tell you how many times my ex would come home with some stupid "as seen on tv" garbage she got in the checkout at the CVS. It's less about the item and more about getting the dopamine from spending money. I'd be watching tv and she'd be next to me on her phone scrolling away trying to find even more ways to get me to spend money. Signing up for groupons, etsy, live shows/performances. Total compulsion like a crack head.

She'd keep talking over my show, "hey we should totally check this out..o hey we should do this" until I couldn't take it anymore and I'd snap. I'd remind her that we went from 50/50 with the bills to me just paying 100% because I got tired of the electric getting shut off because she didn't pay the bill. Who ignores the bills and blows the money on a bunch of cheep crap? Children. But hey, I yelled at her so now I'm the bad guy.

[–]John_McFly 10 points11 points  (0 children)

My wife wants a new minivan and another baby. Asking her to save the cost of daycare and a minivan payment every month so she could see what it would do to our finances (I pay for #1's daycare, my car, and all other household bills) seems to have been the equivalent of asking her to sell her body on the street.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's less about the item and more about getting the dopamine from spending money.

This is really hard for me to comprehend. Sure, I like spending money on experiences I find enjoyable or some stuff I like, but I get way more excitement when I see that my net worth is increasing because I save money, or because my investments are up. I find making and saving money more enjoyable than unnecessarily spending it

I don't like, as Kevin O'Leary would say "killing money", which is what many women do. And they do it on such useless crap that can be found for way cheaper.

[–]jazerac 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My wife is a cheap skate. I married an outlier in this regard.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Make all your money safe. Divorce just to break the financial ties. Stay together. Fantasy, huh?

[–]azrael319 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank goodness my husband isnt like this and neither am I. We both give 100%. The main reason I'm not a parasitic thief like man I know is my pride. At the end of the day I can say I got to where I am and all I have because me. I work hard for it. For someone to legit see their spouse bank account and just leave with half is lazy and disguising. It's no wonder subs like this exist.

[–]adolfsbff 98 points99 points  (19 children)

You should always pay cash for pussy cause it's the cheapest way to get it.

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points  (6 children)

If it flies, floats or fucks - rent it

[–]Burlaczech 8 points9 points  (3 children)

not sure what to think about this one.

[–]theONE843663 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Don't think! Just listen to the words of men much wiser than you. Trust me on this one. I mean shit... You spend hours in tinder, approach 5 girls a day, and maybe get laid once a fucking week if your game is right and you looks maxed. If not, pfft...Mb once a month.

The time you spent you could have made more money and still fucked an escort. The best way is to approach 1 hot chick a day that moves you at the base DNA level....She's approaching HB10 status (in your eyes). Every day. Then if you don't get laid in 2 weeks, fuck an escort. Rinse and repeat!

[–]chadjugo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This is probably the best way to Game if you're making 100k+ a year and single.

[–]theONE843663 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you make less 💰, just replace the expensive escort with a cheap ho you're still better off than wasting your efforts playing Mr.Entertainer for 2 bit skanks.

[–]Robx9001 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What category does a horse fall under?

[–]theONE843663 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can have sex with a 🏇 if you close your eyes and imagine a HB10 it's all in your mind bro. How can the universe be real if our eyes aren't real?

[–]rigbed 53 points54 points  (0 children)

And pay to have kids like Christian Ronaldo. Win win

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (10 children)

Or just become the man, get great at game, fuck for free.

[–]Burlaczech 27 points28 points  (2 children)

if you dont pay money, you certainly pay with time and effort, including all the preparations - from gym to bars to maintaining your home and doing your laundry.

[–]Merwebb 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Implying you do these stuff for women and not for yourself

[–]Burlaczech 4 points5 points  (0 children)

if you enjoy it then it is not really work, it is a pleasure and there is absolutely no problem with it.

[–]adolfsbff 11 points12 points  (5 children)

Yeah It's free if you don't value your time. Going to clubs = time, bar = time, talking to them for 5 min = time. Prospecting takes time and even the most alpha guys have to prospect at least a little bit. Time > money cause you don't get it back.

[–]chinawinsworlds 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I personally have to work for my money.

[–]theONE843663 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Yeh this is why I don't go out to clubs. Like roosh recommends, I approach 1 woman a day who moves me at the base DNA level. If I don't get laid in 2 weeks, I fuck the cheapest Chinese ho for $50.

[–]redrummilf 1 point2 points  (1 child)

enjoy your hep C or scabies

[–]theONE843663 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You'd be surprised to know that even the cheapest prostitutes practice safer sex than your average club sluts. It's in their best interest to remain healthy for their profession! But then again, here in Canada it's well regulated can't speak for anywhere else.

Hep C has a 1/190,000 chance to be transmitted through sex (w/0 condom). With condom, no chance. Scabies is easily curable.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Even as a joke I thought it was a weird thought for her to have in that moment

Betas ignore their instincts.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (4 children)

That's why it's important to have the "No body, No case" conversation with your spouse.

[–]D2nny36 3 points4 points  (3 children)

What's that? Pls explain for this eager 21 year old.

[–]Ecanonmics 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It means it's hard to prove murder if you go on a boating trip and dump her body in international waters with some cinder blocks. Oh she fell off in a storm.

[–]D2nny36 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh shit lol, that one went right over my head.

[–]10xdada 101 points102 points  (11 children)

What's nice about her still being young is there is still lots of time to lose a child or get cancer.

But seriously, this is actually a happy story. It only cost him a few years and half his early life fortune, and now he has freedom and time he couldn't have had in marriage.

Never get married.

[–]n0oo7 11 points12 points  (5 children)

Does alimony scale with current income?

[–]hhamama66 points points [recovered]

I think the cunt can drag your ass back to court and renegotiate.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

an unlimited amount of times, and as you can guess negotiating UP is a lot easier for her than negotiating down is for you

[–]choomguy 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yep. If your earning goes down, you are still on the hook, under the pretense that you have control over it. If you are commission, or own your own company you are really fucked. Arguably the guy did better because he sold the company. If he still owned it when the got the divorce, the likelihood is that it would have been valued alot higher, and whatever he took out in annual income would have worked against him too.

You have to wonder how theses laws came to exist, given that the vast majority of lawmakers were male when they were shaped. But the fact that the vast majority of lawmakers were also attorneys, is a giant fucking clue. Ive got two buddys who made out financially in their divorces. And everyone cried a bout how unfair it was and what losers they were for taking anything in the divorce. The double standard is disgusting.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I've read about women who spent all of their divorce winnings so the judge increased alimony due to her not having any other money.

[–]riztd 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No idea, but I imagine it doesn't, probably not even if you get hurt / can't work

[–]rp_tsukaisute 8 points9 points  (4 children)

It only cost him a few years and half his early life fortune

Nope--she took half, but Alimony + child support will use up the other half. If he uses or somehow loses that savings, he risks missing a payment & going to prison.

On the other hand, if he's incredibly lucky & hard working & starts making even more money, she'll go to court & raise the child support. In theory it works the other way around, if he finds himself unable to make money, but in practice it doesn't work out in family court (if you can even afford a lawyer at that point).

[–]mattizie 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Serious question. What's to stop him from running away to some other part of the world amd never coming back?

[–]rp_tsukaisute 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Never again seeing one's children, & having to live abroad as a fugitive for the rest of one's life.

That being said, the 'stay & work through the process' option contains the risk of finding yourself in prison should you not be able to make payments, or if you start to 'win' the divorce and your spouse decides to use all available means to 'get back' at you.

[–]mattizie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My point is that the stakes are so high already (prison time for not being able to make a payment), that it doesn't make sense to play by the rules any more.

As soon as you know shit's about to go down, funnel all your money out of the country, steal your kid, and flee to somewhere else.

I'm just surprised that (especially if there are no kids), men aren't paying gangs 75k to simply off their former wives.

[–]FakeGuru 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Guys, here is my favourite story of this.

A few years ago, I was introduced to a friend of a female friend of mine.

She (the friend of my female friend) was very pleased with herself, because she had married a rich guy.

Or, to be precise, she had married the only grandson of a man with several hundred million pounds.

The old man had died and the grandson was the only one in line.His parents had died long before.

Now, the woman and her catch were both qualified professionals, but she was clearly out for his money.

So, I wasn't surprised when, a couple of years later, the wife started divorce proceedings.

She had played the game nicely.

Unfortunately for a her,the husband had all of his money in trust.

In fact, the wife was the higher earner. His solictors explained that they would be seeking maintenance from her.

At which point, the divorce proceedings ground to a halt

[–]farmtownte points points [recovered]

At which point he should continue given his trust in her has been completely evaporated

[–]FakeGuru 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't know how the story ended, but the guy did not give a fuck.

[–]nicetimeisback points points [recovered]

six month later he will read the sidebar of redpill rotfl

[–]Ganaria_Gente 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Actually on that quora thread, this guy is remarkably chill and almost forgiving.

A full on beta, hamstering so hard that he doesn't realize how thoroughly she's fucked him

[–]TRP Legal ExpertColdIceZero 59 points60 points  (9 children)

I'll take "Things That Aren't Funny" for $600, Alex.

[–]anon35202 points points [recovered]

Big picture, all else being equal, would you rather be you, or this guy? I think that 99.99% of people in America would switch roles with this guy, even with the loss of 60% of his money, the rest makes it okay.

He'll get over it. The other girl will get what's coming to her eventually. Evil isn't sustainable, being ethical is so much easier over the long haul. I'm not a spiritual nut, but I believe that what goes around comes around, what you push out into the universe comes back to you in ways you can't imagine.

It's a blessing in disguise. Hopefully kids weren't involved. And even if they were, so what, both parents are upper middle class. They'll be just fine. First world problems, both of these people just won the lottery and get a chance at being born again. The objective is to understand that people are Machiavellian psychopaths, and do not let it bog you down and don't take it out on the next guy who doesn't deserve it, move on with your life and make a positive contribution.

Lots of bellyaching from butt hurt betas. Take care of your business or you'll lose 60% of it, that's all I got out of this story.

[–]TRP Legal ExpertColdIceZero 28 points29 points  (1 child)

I hear what you're saying, but that sound like the Just-World Hypothesis. "Evil" is either the result of mental disease or a lack of empathy. Good and evil are merely an economic construct that entirely depends on your point of view.

As for this guy, it still sucks to go through this, regardless of how much money you have. While some may say "lol at least you still have stacks after the fact," some would argue that he lost more than any one else has lost in the same situation. It's all relative.

At the end of day, it fucking sucks to have gone through this. A man's ignorance and lack of preparation isn't something to laugh about. The point of this sub is to educate men, not laugh at their ignorance. We all were ignorant at some point in our lives.

Preach to improve and build the next generation of men. We shouldn't support faggots who put people down.

[–]thebluepool 2 points3 points  (3 children)

What's with the pseudo spiritual crap? Doesn't matter how much you browse this sub if you still believe in bs like that.

[–]Infinitezen points points [recovered]

There's nothing "pseudo spiritual" about it. He is basically just saying to get over it and appreciate whatever it is you have in front of you, that dwelling on the past or the wrong done to you is counterproductive.

[–]thebluepool 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, he's saying if you sit on your ass and wait the universe will reward or punish you if you're "good" or "evil".

[–]Grimsterr 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Putting the money from the sale of a business into a personal/joint account is just dumb.

When I sold my business, I created a corporation, sold the business to that corporation for basically my next 5 years salary, to be paid once per year, then the corporation sold the business to the buyer. I never had that money as personal property and it never came near a joint or personal account.

Not because I was particularly worried about the old lady, but "alternative minimum tax" is a sumbitch.

[–]TangoZulu 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Yes but if you're a shareholder of the corporation you created then those shares are considered assets of the marriage. They would simply force you to do a valuation of the corporation and she would be entitled to half of that value. Since the corporation sold the business to the buyer, the corporation holds the cash and she is entitled to half the value of the corporation (assuming you're 100% shareholder).

[–]Grimsterr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah, not that easy then I guess.

[–]DogaldTrump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can avoid this with a trust. A trust is the only way to prevent losing your company.

[–]1OneRedSock 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The best part of his post:

and she was right, it was a bad marriage. She just had the courage to call it.

God, there are so many courageous women these days; how do they find the time? It's crazy how their courage seems to multiply the further the decimal point moves to the right.

BP guys who remain BP after getting divorce raped must be suffering some form of Stockholm Syndrome.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I knew someone this happened to. "You don't need to keep working, you could retire. Liquidise your assets... sell your company." He did. She instantly divorced him.

If you weren't married, you'd still have control. Your attraction would go up, her desire for you would go up. The money wouldn't immediately be her money. Sure, she'd angle for a new car and suggest you live in a larger house but she'd not instantly think "wow, that's half mine, and I don't even need this guy".

DO NOT MARRY

[–]spencerc25 15 points16 points  (0 children)

This is why seeing the Matrix (finding TRP) will never let you go back.

[–]XZTALVENARNZEGOMSAYT 30 points31 points  (5 children)

Why would you ever get married? If I ever got married I would never sign anything

[–]ql3 points points [recovered]

I'm a lawyer. Never sign anything. Never click Accept. Never fucking affirm anything. If they want you to accept, it's because it benefits them.

[–]Praecipuus 23 points24 points  (0 children)

If they want you to accept, it's because it benefits them.

Well, there's a quote for life.

[–]Burlaczech 2 points3 points  (1 child)

cant it benefit both of the parties? I mean in general.

[–]mtersen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Its very rare, or even it happens with that intention it doesn't end up that way

[–]InfiniteSpur 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In some states publicly stating you are married is enough to be considered married. Doesn't matter if you sign anything.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (2 children)

It's amazing how this did not click with me the first few hundred times I read about it. Then it clicked. It's important these stories keep getting posted. There's many like me who don't step into the light until after reading many, many related posts. I'll admit I was slow to finally seeing this as it is.

[–]ArkAngelEV 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why is the light so blinding? Cause it's the first time you're using your eyes

[–]enkae7317 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Never give your girl knowledge of how much money you have in your bank account.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (6 children)

I'm so immune to the wickedness of women that I'm much more interested in hearing the guitar players story.

That motherfucker has game!

We can learn from him

[–]d0lphinsex 4 points5 points  (3 children)

A guy who plays the guitar and lives with his mom. The end.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

yet he seduced a rich woman. not all guitar playing basement dwellers are like that

[–]CuckedByTRUMP 3 points4 points  (1 child)

yet he seduced a rich woman.

Big whoop. They go to church together, he has at least 1 interaction with her a week. Her husband is a beta. She was probably already cheating based on her comment.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

rich married women throw out betas for what kind of men? The kind that made her pussy tingle

Id like to know how this guy did that a whole lot more than the story of another rich cuckold

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Maybe, maybe not. It's really not that hard.

Knew a guy who was a comedian, not very funny not very attractive, didn't even make much off it. Women would eye fuck him, peeking around corners scooby style to stare at him.

Knew another dude who orbited his own friend because he was a rapper. Friend claimed to be a rapper too and just directed girls to his FB page showing him on stage. These girls swooned.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

of course its not hard. now that TRP shows the way

[–]SpartiGaz 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Is it just me, or does it seem like getting half AND alimony AND child support is like double dipping? They should have to choose, either you get half, or you get alimony and child support, not both.

[–]Gioware 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That shit was planned so waaaay ahead

[–]sazzmflazm 17 points18 points  (3 children)

This is why I only marry rich women.

[–]thebluepool 22 points23 points  (2 children)

There are no rich women, only girls with rich daddies.

[–]chinawinsworlds 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Mostly true, most rich women have inherited or divorce raped some bloke. But money is money...

[–]mattizie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They exist. But good luck with that. It's not easy to pull off, and you REALLY need game to keep it going.

[–]Internol 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Op furthur states "Its a crazy system. Assets and income are considered separate. Even though I quit after I sold the company, they calc the POTENTIAL earning of each person. My MBA wife hadn’t worked in 5 years so they calc’d her potential income to be $0, and I was making well into the six figures. From judge’s view point, it’s my choice not to go out and make all that money again. So my salary minus her $0 divide by two and that’s what I had to come up with — out of my assets. Weird."

I would go insane having gone through this. It seems like she had been planning this for some time. Surely being unemployed for that long should have raised serious red flags.

[–]I_AM_CALAMITY 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Being unemployed was lucky on her part for that calculation, I don't think it was planned. It was a red flag anyway though because how was she eating?

[–]ZenplusZen 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Prenups should be mandatory at this point.

[–]beginner_ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

She was obviously fucking the guitar player already 1.5 year ago. All she needed was the money. Of course his mistake was to marry but still in the end the guy is still better of with the divorce than wasting his life with a bitter, cheating wife.

[–]Penguin327 7 points8 points  (1 child)

How much do you want to bet that she has a n count of 10+? Too much experience ruins a woman.

[–]ArkAngelEV 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Or makes them extremely clever/dangerous. Same end result

[–]Ovadox 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If you are expecting a divorce in six months to a year, what is the legality of developing a "cocaine addiction". Whereby you start withdrawing a lot of money and hiding it somewhere, all while staying out late. Maybe come home smelling of cigs and beer. Acting erratic. If she's going to divorce anyway drug addiction gives her an easy reason but also gives an easy excuse for you to hide cash. Once she leaves go to narc anon or a cheap outpatient rehab to give more credibility.

[–]Kinote_42 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's because of stories like this I don't feel like we are getting the full story behind cases that deal with husbands strangling their wives to death.

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why men continue to get married in the 21st century is beyond me.

The deal really can't be any worse.

[–]McLarenX 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Never reveal your money to a woman no matter how "close" you think you are. This is common sense .

[–]GreatSmithanon 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Yeah this kind of shit is why in most cases the emotional connection of a relationship just isn't worth the hassle.

[–]PlsSendMeSomeNudes points points [recovered]

Fuck that mate, you can still have a connection with your girl and "love" her, you just have to he sensible about it by not getting married, not giving her access to your money and continuing to game her throughout your relationship. Sometimes having one girl you genuinely like around is much better than multiple girls you don't care about.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (10 children)

Moral of the story, be the guy from church with the guitar.

[–]waslookoutforchris 22 points23 points  (7 children)

Or, you know, be the guy who sold his business for big bucks and just don't get married.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (6 children)

Alpha Fucks... Beta Bucks... she was probably fucking the guitar dude the whole time. Hope the subject of the story finds TRP and bangs his way from sea to shinning sea and never gets married again. but he will probably fall for the beta trap again and lose half his shit.

[–]OneU 21 points22 points  (5 children)

At the end of the day the guitar player is still some random dude fucking a lazy bitch and the other guy is a successful man. Being the one fucking the bitch does not change that.

[–]jakeecio 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Genau. Don't be the guitar guy.

[–]thefightingfirst 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Not so fast. The guitar guy now owns 50% of everything the evil wife got.

[–]mattizie 6 points7 points  (1 child)

She's not that stupid.

She just stole 50%. Do you think there's even the slightest chance that she isn't being almost paranoid that someone else will steal it from her?

[–]thefightingfirst 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Being a woman, she probably reasons that she wasn't stealing but insert-some-bullshit-that-she-genuinely-wants-to-believe-about-herself here. If the guitar guy is an alpha, or plays his act well, it's not impossible. Improbable, sure.

[–]jakeecio 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are three lives that's not worth living.... 1. Man who sits at other man's table for his food and survival. 2. Anyone remember the second one ? 3. Man who is ruled over by wife.

[–]AntwanAntoon points points [recovered]

Be the guy who sold his business and kept all the money.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

and then play guitar at a church.

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (2 children)

That is why you must choose wisely. It has to be about way more than looks. Sometimes the girl who isn't as pretty, and doesnt have the phat ass, and doesnt have the wild ass and thigh plastered all over Facebook are the best ones. Guarantee his wife was some dolled up blonde skank, or one of these low level models out here that have gold digger immigrant mothers that teach their little shitbag bimbo daughters how to get a sucker ass mother fucker to commit.

However the guy might have been a terrible husband as well. Who knows.......

[–]thebluepool 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Doesn't matter if he was terrible, he worked for that money. His success was his alone. This woman stole it from him.

[–]abbafishhead 11 points12 points  (0 children)

That is why you must choose wisely.

I'm surprised this wasn't downvoted more. AWALT, damn it.

[–]wilfa 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you are a TRP, why get married?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know a married guy whose wife left him after he inherited substantial money from his parents. She got half the money in the divorce.

They were engaged longer than they were married ...

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

My mum is a smart women. She's not leaving me any money when she dies, instead she's leaving me the family trust fund. It means I can pull money out for things like a house, business or car loan.

The best thing is in a divorce, the women can't touch a cent.

[–]jallfairs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why did you spell woman the same way you spell women?

[–]of-maus-and-men 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well normally in a community property state, property received as gifts through a will or intestate succession would be considered separate property as well and would not be able to be touched in a divorce either.

[–]d0lphinsex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One of those three things can generate more money, choose that one.

[–]D2nny36 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Tell her I will give her (Reddit) gold, I should tell my mom this.

[–]budguy68 3 points4 points  (0 children)

fuck that stupid cunt. i wouldn't let that happened to me.

[–]-IIIII--------IIIII- points points [recovered]

Wait... what kind of Chad is a guitar player from Church? Don't they sing cheesy Christian rock songs or something? Or is it a general guitar playing douche who she just happened to meet there?

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yes, it totally matters to be in the woman's frame.

[–]-IIIII--------IIIII- points points [recovered]

I just can't picture one of those Christian rock guys having game.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I bet that guitar player from the church is wild in the sack.

Quora is a haven for dummy's, or so I've found.

You get questions on there like "Why is water wet?" and "Can I survive dying?"

Nice spot OP - keep yo money to yo-self.

[–]rossiFan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Very BP letting the wife log into the bank account for her approval.

[–]Taguroizumo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She was cheating on the guy if she got engaged to someone in 6 odd months, sounds like he got an amazing deal, lost half his fortune however gained his freedom.

[–]rossiFan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So glad that Texas is not an alimony state. In California, you will be financially raped.

[–]TomHicks 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Would bitcoin have saved him if he dumped all his money in there?

[–]AlCapown3d 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Only thing they could do to him is throw him in jail.

[–]TomHicks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What if he left the country?

[–]newls 2 points3 points  (0 children)

98% of all life insurance policies are bought by men. Let that statistic sink in. For women, the thought of what would happen financially to their spouse and family after they die does not even occur to them. They purely think about themselves and the present moment.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

With enough money probably easier just to have her killed

[–]Official_Kanye_West 3 points4 points  (1 child)

this, here, is justification for murder

[–]Butzemer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

rather kill that bitch than pay her even 1$.. common sense isn't it

[–]1Goomich 1 point2 points  (0 children)

[–]KnowBrainer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a good thing I'm not rich. Hit men are way cheaper than divorce... ever the practical one.

[–]Realloveintexas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The only way something like that could possibly happen so soon is if there were signs she wasn't liking the marriage. If I was in that position I would have at least tried to lie about the total sale of the business and only had about 1/4 of it transferred into our account and the rest into a different account.

[–]victor_knight 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This or some variation of it happens more often than most men think. Hell, even worse happens.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like the government views divorce as illegal.

[–]JoeAsheville 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This story, and this thread, gives me a fucking headache. I need more advice about offshoring assets.

[–]ArkAngelEV 1 point2 points  (0 children)

LOL AWALT. But let's be honest, if the shoes were switched; wouldn't you do the same? Sleep with one eye open at all times you fuckaroonis

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If it makes him feel any better, she could have done the same thing at any time. It's not like he was a particular sucker for selling. If she had left the week before, she could have claimed 1/2 of the value of the company. In fact, some companies that guys have built from nothing and take pride in running end up having to be sold to settle divorces. Opportunistic investors will lowball once they figure this out, knowing that the owner has to take some offer. So at least the woman waited until he got the best deal he could.

[–]1ozaku7 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This is one reason why I would just sell it and distribute the money over my family members and say half of it is theirs. An ex is the last person you would wish the money to. But I bet that the judges would have something about that and force the money back.

[–]coveredwthsores 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At least she agreed to go to counselling I guess...

[–]UserCaleb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[–]SouloftheVoid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As soon as she said that I would've changed the bank passwords. After she said she wanted a divorce, I would have liquidated everything, put it into bitcoin, and fled.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He let her look at the account. There's the problem

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If that bitch actually joked about divorce in the moment of realizing you just $XXXXXXX in your bank account and then actually followed through with it, she wouldn't be around to file.

[–]Butzemer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gold post. Is marriage even a thing lol.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have never been in a relationship, but this is seriously making me consider never getting in any kind if relationship EVER. Especially being High Functioning Autistic and even more vulnerable than the average guy. Is a good relationship outcome even possible these days?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have never been in a relationship, but this is seriously making me consider never getting in any kind if relationship EVER. Especially being High Functioning Autistic and even more vulnerable than the average guy. Is a good relationship outcome even possible these days?

[–]throwawayclarkken 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This should be classified as planned crime . Holy Fuck I feel for that dude

[–]jaimewarlock points points [recovered]

This is why most of my wealth is stored as cryptocurrency.

[–]tekn0_ 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Is it safe? Won't it go down when the price of bit coin goes down?

[–]miracLe__ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's safe as in no ones going to be able to steal it from you, but yeah not very "keeping its value" safe - you'd hope eventually it would stable out and be less volatile but no one knows really.

[–]VanityKings 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel no sympathy for weak minded men

[–]Toussant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If he had that much money, he could've taken care of it, costing less than half. Was probably ruthless to get the company successful but lost the edge.

[–]Ravan_kansh 0 points1 point  (2 children)

How can she marry a guitar player?Isn't it against Hypergamy?

[–]patrice_plz_come_bac 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Musicians are an exemption. You dont really even be able to play

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True story, I tell chicks i practice guitar and their face lights up. All i know how to do are Chords 101 on Rocksmith 2014

[–]limpingrobot points points [recovered]

At first I thought the guitarist is a dumb ass, but nowadays I think that's the way to go. Turn the tables. Be the one who benefits from a divorce.

[–]Leonard_Church points points [recovered]

Not really, at the end of the day the guitar player doesn't have anything good going for him, and is stuck with a used-up divorced mom who isn't going to get a job. The guy who started the company can likely start another because of his experience, and he still has quite a bit of money left over from the sale. Sure child support and alimony suck, but child support isn't forever, and a rich man who pays child support and alimony is still worth more than a lower-middle class guy who doesn't.

Guess who is going to be the happier man in 10 years.

[–]Chyavanpunk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I checked out that Quora thread. 88 comments on his story, and just one by a woman congratulating another man for his 'leap of faith' on his decision on finding love and getting remarried without a prenup.

What do I interpret it as? Women read that story, and didn't bother to comment because its normal womanly behaviour, or they felt ashamed about it?

[–]The_lost_Karma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Divorce laws are fucked up

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you posted that answer on the stackexchange they'd delete it. Doesn't fit with progressive agenda. Can't have people getting RedPilled when they seek knowledge.

[–]Amogh24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's why it might be better to draw up a contract before the marriage about how assets will be divided in case of a divorce

[–]yummyluckycharms 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair, good for her - she is maximizing her reproductive strategy. On the other hand, the guy is an idiot for getting married and working against his reproductive strategy. A fool and his money are soon parted - and this man was very foolish to get hitched. No pity

[–]BlackFallout 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Prenuptial fucking agreement.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But how do we know this is real? I mean there is no sources....Quora? This story I don't know...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Remember kids, if you're having trust issues, always remeber to issue your trusts.

[–]Jack0fDiamonds 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do we know this is a real story?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

o my god how unexpected wow. Never have we heard of such a story. I am sure that in the whole of Human History there NEVER was a story like this. Who could have thought that a woman could do such a thing?

Sarcasm? how did you guess?

I dont blame her. Not in the slightest. She did right. She did the best she could. KUDOS to her.

We on the other hand (yes we men) should be deeply ashamed of ourselves. Countless examples of this exists. It is right in our faces. We all know this and yet we still run into this head on. Any being that stupid deserves even more. She should have taken all.

Today there is such thing as marriage contract. If you live in a place that has none or is not accepting such a contract then dont marry. If the woman threatens with leaving you if you dont marry, let her go. If you can do neither then fucking SUCK IT UP! and dont cry afterwards.

Rant over!

[–]Mckallidon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What an idiot. Any real man knows you run your on paper wealth into the ground, divorce her, lawyer HAM, settle, then sell your business(es).

[–]EmperorofEarf -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You sound like you lose frame easily so I'll just let you be. I wasn't asking you to eat his dinner for him, I was saying I support any and all help given to a man looking for resources. You don't have to agree. I couldn't give less of an okapi.

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