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MetaThe Red Pill Right (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Modredpillschool

Last night Milo Yiannopoulos appeared on Fox News to discuss the riots at Berkeley, and Tucker Carlson introduced him as the "gay jew" that's becoming the face of "the red pill right."

It occured to me that many who visit the red pill have had continued epiphanies in their lives outside of the ones we discuss here about sexual strategy.

Now, don't get me wrong, I believe everything in the world boils down to sexual strategy- it's no coincidence that the insult of choice on /r/the_donald is "cuck"- but that doesn't mean understanding sexual strategy and the red pill will be the last time you have an epiphany that makes you take a retrospective look at your life and realize that nothing was what it seemed.

The Red Pill has entered our culture's vernacular and is used unironically to reference pulling back the curtain on any philosophy and discover the secret inner workings.

And I'm proud to have been a part of that movement, even though we focused specifically on sexual strategy and will continue to do so.

Something struck me about the phrase "the red pill right," and it's been on my mind since I heard it. There's a lot of agreement and disagreement between different schools of thought in politics, and often one can't really be determined to be right or wrong, only different. There are competing schools of economic thought, different ways to try to accomplish similar goals, and almost an infinite variables that are close to impossible to really know or track keeping us from having any objective answers.

But that doesn't mean there isn't something to know about politics. Just like sexual strategy, even though we do not have the full picture of evolution, and we can't possibly know everybody's thoughts and feelings, we do know that we can make descriptive theories about how people operate, and test our hypotheses against future happenings to determine if we were anywhere close.

That brings me to something that I think I've been lacking in my life during the USA election cycle this past year. The Red Pill has been instrumental in helping myself and others find sanity in the world of sex and women, but there is no such guiding light for me in politics.

I admit, /r/the_donald is fascinating and entertaining. But it serves as little more than rage porn and memes. The conversation actually stops itself from getting too deep. A few conjectures land at the top of every post, but nothing is really said about the underlying theory of what is happening today.

I don't think it's a mistake that Milo wanted to be introduced as the face of the "red pill right" because he knew the term alt-right was being used to try to tie this new brand of republicans to white supremacy and other unsavory things.

Undoubtedly, he uses the term because it's fitting, but also because it helps to ride off the success of our name. It's not uncommon, attempted to co-opt our language and mission and then tailor it to their own needs and purposes. Look no further than The Red Pill Movie- made by a feminist, and has nothing to do with us!

But the truth is, there is a new conservative movement happening, and it's been happening for a while. And it's got a lot of overlap with the subscribers here on TRP.

It's a bit more libertarian leaning than the traditional Republican party, as it's very socially liberal (pro-to-each-his-own, but with a bent on strict liability rather than social safety nets). But it remains conservative in places that I believe make sense to do so (protect borders, our tribe above others, govt. spend responsibly, don't take my money, etc).

TRP has always talked about tribalism, about safety and security in our culture, and about the values that really matter when you strip away the thin facade of "safety" Western cultures think that they have.

Physical strength leads to security, assimilation lends itself to tribalism. Jack Donovan writes extensively about these things. And they all lead us back to the number one point we have on TRP: Everything is about sex. Our behaviors are governed by evolution.

That is why I am announcing today, a brother sub for /r/theredpill as well as /r/the_donald.

/r/theRedPillRight

My focus with this new sub is to keep us from diluting the discussion of sexual strategy on our main sub, but give us a fresh place to discuss politics with a serious tone rather than the memes and rage porn of /r/the_donald. (I'm not shitting on the_donald, I do enjoy the sub.)

I want us to discuss these social trends and why they are taking place.

  • Why is the media colluding to write the narrative they do today?
  • What are the possible motivations and goals of different political belief systems?
  • Is globalism a viable strategy?
  • Why is nationalism (or tribalism) preferred by some but not others?
  • In what ways are we wrong?
  • In what ways are we right?
  • How do we define "fake news?"
  • Is fake news a symptom of click-bait?

I hope you'll join me to discuss politics from a red pill standpoint, with our traditional style of high-effort, no memes, quality commenting on our new subreddit: /r/theRedPillRight


[–]1edwardhwhite 590 points591 points  (109 children)

Thank god. I come here for sexual strategy, not politics.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 180 points181 points  (67 children)

I wanted to make sure we did not veer off course here on /r/theredpill. So, I'm glad we've dedicated a different sub to it. We've been removing a lot of political posts recently, and I think this proves that there's demand for the discussion.

[–]lurkingtacopiller points points [recovered]

This was a good move for a variety of reasons. So much of what is happening politically can be discussed through the red pill lens, but I agree that I didn't want to see any of that shit in here.

RPS ahead of the game.

[–]Marcus1138 21 points22 points  (33 children)

Very true. And I think a lot of Donald supporters were slinging around the term Red Pill and thinking that that meant they were Red Pill in sexual strategy too, when they were actually still BP. Being conservative does not equate to being sexually RP, and I'm glad a new subreddit's been made to help make this difference clear.

[–]1nzgs 17 points18 points  (26 children)

Being conservative does not mean being redpilled. But being redpilled does infer leaning to the political right. We should probably have a dark-red-pill section for discussing truths too uncomfortable even for TRP readers.

[–]Mr_Andry 54 points55 points  (25 children)

As a left leaning red puller, I find it horribly frustrating to see so much political nonsense tied in with the Red Pill crowd. So much of what we talk about here is based around evolutionary biology, yet the bulk of people here align with the party that denies evolution and science in general.

No, the reason quite simply is that RP truths are easier to swallow if you were raised in an area that valued traditional gender roles. That means conservative, here in the US.

I think left leaners like myself have to overcome a little more "strict equality" mindset, which is why we're a bit more rare.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I see things the same way. Being redpill correlates with conservatism, but can exist entirely without any political leanings whatsoever, and as you pointed out, the evolutionary aspects of sexual strategy exist in the science believing "left". That said, to boil down political thought into "left" and "right" is far too simplistic. I have values that exist on the far left, the far right and in the middle. Doesn't make me "political red pill", doesn't make me a "cuck", doesn't make me anything besides an intelligent person that's able to develop his own nuanced opinions and think for himself rather than accept a blanket of philosophical and policy positions dictated to me from someone more powerful and/or more intelligent than me.

[–]1nzgs 21 points22 points  (18 children)

That is ignorant nonsense. You're identifying the entire conservative/libertarian/ancap political spectrum with fringe American GOP views. Here in Britain you will struggle to find conservatives who deny evolution. In fact the main culprits of science-denial these days are the leftists who make excuses for the various government departments caught rigging their global warming data, or who make up bullshit about gender fluidity or the biology of a late-term fetus.

I will reiterate more strongly, there is no such thing as a left-leaning red pilled person. You are not red pilled. The very core tenets of TRP, about markets, competition, winners and losers, herd s vs individuals... it's all completely incompatible with leftist world views.

[–]Senior Contributoradam-l 20 points21 points  (10 children)

I will reiterate more strongly, there is no such thing as a left-leaning red pilled person

Why... of course there is! :)

Or, if you prefer something more classic, try Esther Vilar's The Manipulated Man, from the sidebar. She is openly Marxist.

The very core tenets of TRP, about markets, competition, winners and losers, herd s vs individuals... it's all completely incompatible with leftist world views.

These are the core tenets of a right-wing view. TRP is open to all ideas that enhance men's position in society and the sexual market. True, left-wingers have yet to embrace it, and I hope that by moving the more right-wing-centered debate elsewhere (the discussion that has taken place here about the immigrants being a prime example), this will come to gradually change.

The problem with the Left is that what is a truly anti-systemic Left has been reduced to molecules, while most of it has been coopted - and Feminism is a major vehicle with which the system has expropriated the Left. The disappearance of an antisystemic Left is a big part of the reason why the world is diving head-long into a lot of shit, lately.

[–]I_dont_understandit 5 points6 points  (9 children)

I'm a liberal guy myself, in that I support socialized medicine, public education, and environmental protections. But I also think most modern feminists are full of shit, and I think Red Pill makes some great points about evolutionary biology.

It's really frustrating that neither the left nor the right seem interested even letting people like me participate in their discussions.

[–]ChromeJester 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I agree 1000% I think TRP is more than just being liberal or conservative it's about creating the best life for ourselves and taking back control over the world around us. I too am a liberal guy who agrees with you on all of those issues but I feel like I could have a discussion with 95% of the people on the subReddit and find a lot of overlap in our political views. In reality there is a ton of gray area in life and politics is just a part of life. The beautiful thing about TRP movement is that it transcends politics, nationality, and race, helping all men create the best possible lives for themselves because there is a ton of quality content for every situation.

[–]I_Need_More_Space_ 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Socialized medicine and public education are instruments of feminism.

[–]I_dont_understandit 9 points10 points  (4 children)

I will reiterate more strongly, there is no such thing as a left-leaning red pilled person. You are not red pilled.

Perfect example of the "no true scotsman" fallacy. http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/no-true-scotsman/

[–]falconpush 0 points1 point  (3 children)

It is quite easy to see that most RedPill thinking (everything ive seen thus far) doesnt line up with "the left"and their narrative.

However, I can comprehend that there may be a few RedPill readers who are left leaning. But i feel these readers are only leaning left now b/c they are still "new" to these ideas and still figuring out where/how they fit in with there personal lives. When they get a bit more real world experience/older, there will be a shift to the right.

[–]I_dont_understandit 1 point2 points  (2 children)

That is frankly, arrogant. I could just as easily say that when YOU get more real world experience, you will lean left.

Your argument is just based on a "gut feeling" you have. You have offered to rationale behind it. Can you see that now?

[–]hansfriedee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In Britain being right wing is way way different than in the US.

[–]iamanenemy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd be careful with those egotistical statements. You'll end up becoming no different than the left.

[–]ThaRPTA 6 points7 points  (1 child)

It's easier to understand why you'd have a left-leaning mindset if you see the family as the core unit of society, rather than the individual. There may be hypergamic relationships between the sexes, but that doesn't mean we're OK with rigging society to pull unequal benefits in the direction of socially powerful men. We might want people to reap just rewards, not simply attainable rewards.

[–]Grodejar 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Ah yes the party of science, where if you present anything that doesn't conform to SJW standards then it is considered to be problematic and racist/sexist and whomever published it is a bigot.

Evopsych, which is what TRP is based upon, is antithetical to EVERYTHING the modern left stands for. Just try mentioning evolutionary biology in regards to gender roles and then try not to get either berated or physically attacked by a left leaning person.

The modern left has rejected all facets of science that do not conform to modern gender theory and everything is a social construct thinking. True, the religious right has a tendency to deny evolution, but putting them in the same category as the left that denies things like "men and women are functionally different from a physical standpoint" is asinine. There is no comparison at all at this point.

[–]Mr_Andry 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is precisely why I reject both political extremes as being related to red pill. Left having warped feminists, and right having warped theists. The red pill takes no moral positions, nor does it take political positions. It simply is an effort to describe what reality is, and in that way I see it being aligned only with pure science.

[–]pongpong123able 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you also believe that there are 31 genders?

[–]Troll_Name 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Donald Trump rode to victory on a wave of many different peoples who were aware of (and resentful towards) the status quo of sexuality.

95% of today's chronic virgins would have been happily married 500 years ago. Someday a new equilibrium will emerge, one which favors the winners of today.

(Obligatory Orwell quote, no guarantee of precise accuracy)

But there will always be the intoxication of power, the thrill of victory, the trampling of an opponent who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, just imagine a boot stomping on a man's face forever.

Today's young are victory-minded, after the prologue of their life was seeing the total defeat of their elders. Today's 30-somethings were raised on a force-fed diet of abandoning all hope - they're the ground zero of recovering patients.

[–]JohnnyDildonics 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think these chronic virgins just sit there in their single room apartment and looks at their dick in one hand with an empty tinder list in the other and say "well, my endless toil and suffering from crippling loneliness is worth it if it means equality for these girls that would never give me the time of day."

[–]jdgalt 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I think the problem Marcus1138 refers to comes from The Red Pill movie, which is not about TRP at all but about MRAs. Its title has given a lot of people the wrong idea about what TRP means. And many of those people are on subs such as The_Donald and SocialJusticeInAction.

I also notice that the new sub is already attracting a substantial number of pro-Nazi comments, which I assume to be from trolls. I hope the mods will keep a very tight lid on that stuff; if they don't, then the new sub will quickly go the way of AltRight and be banned. I'm sure there are plenty of SJWs who actively intend to make that happen if they can.

[–]I_dont_understandit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bit of a tangent, but to be fair MRAs were using the term "red pill" for a very long time. So it's kind of hard to define what "red pill" means. Lots of different groups borrowed that term from the Matrix.

[–]pongpong123able 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And vice versa, being able to be alpha in a relationship doesn't mean you are already redpilled when it comes to politics and society.

TRP is actually a bluepill agenda politically. It cucks a generation of men and tells them not to reproduce, not to build families, chase poon until their old and wrinkly and until western society have been demographically diluted by hispanics and muslims.

[–]theredpillager 36 points37 points  (20 children)

To reiterate ed's comment and a few of the child comments below, this could not have come at a better time. I had been noticing the co-opting of our language throughout some other subreddits and subcultures, particularly t_d, and it somewhat bothered me. Mostly for the reasons you delve into. The red pill for me is about the reality between men, women and sexuality (and all areas where those things manifest themselves in our daily lives). I voted for the D, but I swear allegiance to no party. With better options, I would not have voted for him. He was literally the only viable candidate, which is saying something since he has no political experience at all.

Anyway, that's another story. I am mostly glad to see this because I ventured into the altright sub the other day (apparently it has since been banned??) and I have to say, it was incredibly racist and vile, and I was extremely distraught to see they had co-opted our terminology as well. Everyone was said to be "being redpilled" and "woke", as these commenters praised Nazis as heros.

TRP has a lot of ethnic members. I love that about this place. Because, while we won't shy away from discussing differences between races, advantages/disadvantages/realities, we are all men, and we all have to navigate the feminized world we were born into. When I saw our language getting used for this purely racist garbage, it made me fear our community would become diluted, as those of color were likely to see the association, unwanted or not, and never give the place a chance, or worse, leave if they were already here. I do not need to find myself in yet another echo chamber. I value the diversity of thought here.

I think this new sub is a great way to separate the two. But I have my hesitations. It's billed as a place to discuss politics with a red pill slant, but it's called RedPillRight, so doesn't the very name work to drown out potential views from other perspectives? I am not a right winger. Nor am I a democrat. I'm an independent, like upwards of 40% of the population. The majority, ya know. So, if it's truly a place to discuss politics from a TRP angle, that's great, but it could have done with a more neutral name. It has a ring to it, but the right definitely doesn't apply for all of us. Hopefully the connotation with the altright, or right wing more generally, doesn't scare off those with dissenting views. Really glad to see this happen in any case.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 43 points44 points  (7 children)

As somebody who hates just about everything about the right I absolutely cannot stand TRP's political leanings.

I'm glad that this should be an end or at least minimize the political talk on TRP and instead can focus on what the majority of us signed up for. To get more pussy.

Yes the name "RedPillRight" screams of bias and it's something I wouldn't want to be associated with.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 11 points12 points  (4 children)

I appreciate your view on this, and I'm glad that we can at least clear the sub for you to get back to the red pill. That said, I'm curious if maybe there isn't something you can either learn from the new sub, or maybe teach us if you think we're wrong?

[–]Snazzy_Serval 20 points21 points  (3 children)

I'm starting to realize that engaging in political discussions doesn't provide me any benefit. I receive no joy in educating others and it merely becomes nothing more than a waste of my time. That time and energy is much better suited to working on myself. To me politics is a distraction and one that has become more prevalent with the election of Trump. It was becoming frustrating reading TRP and becoming drawn into that.

[–]1Original_Dankster 15 points16 points  (1 child)

educating others

Try talking less and listening more. Perhaps you're the one in need of education.

[–]Troll_Name 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Every single political screamer thinks they're saving the world.

That's part of why it's good to have a new subredpill.

[–]InflatableRaft 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm starting to realize that engaging in political discussions doesn't provide me any benefit. I receive no joy in educating others and it merely becomes nothing more than a waste of my time. That time and energy is much better suited to working on myself.

Most discussions in general are a waste of time, discussions on online forums particularly so. It's entertainment at best.

[–]Grodejar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As somebody who hates just about everything about the right I absolutely cannot stand TRP's political leanings. I'm glad that this should be an end or at least minimize the political talk on TRP and instead can focus on what the majority of us signed up for. To get more pussy. Yes the name "RedPillRight" screams of bias and it's something I wouldn't want to be associated with.

Ah yes the political left. Good luck dealing with a society of left leaning people that believe in 888 genders where masculinity is derided and demonized at every turn.

The fact that left leaning people could ever rectify TRP with the modern left is infinitely hilarious to me.

[–]Kalepsis 14 points15 points  (6 children)

I was thinking something similar. I have a suspicion that Carlson used the phrase "the Red Pill Rght" as a sly way to demonize us by subtly associating TRP with the alt-right, which, in my opinion, is the new Nazi party. I don't want to be associated with either of those things.

[–]ebonboneheart points points [recovered]

Lol nazi party. For someone "redpilled" you sure believe blue pill narrative and conflation.

[–]Kalepsis 12 points13 points  (4 children)

What exactly is blue pill about the alt-right's similarities to fascism and Nazis? I came to that conclusion by doing my own research, listening to what they say about themselves, and drawing correlation between the two. Logical free thought is about as red pill as you get. Just because it happens to also fit into the narrative of libtard propaganda doesn't make my assessment incorrect.

Maybe you should think for yourself instead of blindly believing the breitbart narrative.

[–]ebonboneheart points points [recovered]

I have a masters level research degree. You are completely erroneous in your understanding of "alt right". You likely didn't even know that Wiki didn't even have a page for it before early last year.

It's nice that you're able to do superficial google fu, but to conflate a populist individualist movement to a centrally planned collectivist movement more akin to national socialism (ie. Nazi) with full on communist allies is... trendy but ass backwards factually speaking.

[–]1by1is3 4 points5 points  (2 children)

populist individualist movement

Populist ''individualist'' movement that is based around considering one's race or a nation as supreme? It's another face of National Socialism.

[–]ebonboneheart points points [recovered]

Except that nationalism is a de facto truth of nationhood and self determination by definition.

And nobody cares about the racism canard. Your strawman is leaking badly.

[–]1by1is3 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Except that nationalism is a de facto truth of nationhood and self determination by definition.

What is your definition of a nation? Nationalism and ''nationhood'' is a very recent social construct in human history so not sure how you are calling it a de-facto truth. Also, in fact the concept of nationalism itself is extremely collectivist. You cannot be a nationalist while also opposing collectivism.

Most people identifying themselves with ''alt right'' are more closer to fascism than individualism. There is a reason why National socialists were extremely nationalists. They also hated the ''left'' which was Communist (who were similarly collectivist just like them).

[–]Schhwing 4 points5 points  (0 children)

To paraphrase Louie CK "racism is just a mistake, sexism (meaning male female dynamic frustration) is way down deep inside, and will never go away". Funny and true.

[–]JohnnyDildonics 1 point2 points  (0 children)

TRP has a lot of ethnic members. I love that about this place. Because, while we won't shy away from discussing differences between races, advantages/disadvantages/realities, we are all men, and we all have to navigate the feminized world we were born into.

The left's demands for diversity and inclusion stop so very suddenly once we get to the bedroom. You think minorities don't notice the majority of outspoken feminists having a silky ceiling of their own?

[–]Future_Alpha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

incredibly racist and vile

Why is it racist and vile?

These beliefs are preciesly what the redpillright examines. Are these beliefs justified? What is vile about being racist to one group but not another? Is this belief system an example of bluepill thinking just in politics? That's not to say there aren't some idiots, who consider Nazism to be a good thing or conflate the USSR with Nazi Germany or think that the USSR was somehow evil for wanting to take over the world (hint: its what every powerful state wants).

I'd read it if I were you, perhaps it will open your eyes.

[–]MAGA_God-Emperor -1 points0 points  (1 child)

My god man. Taking the red pill is about seeing the hidden side of reality so that society can no longer dictate your every action. I have used the phrase for close to a decade, yet have never heard of this sub until today. Does that mean I can claim your use of "THE RED PILL" is actually co-opting my speech? Dude just because your echo chamber is the only place you see the phrase does not mean people didn't watch the matrix, understand its deeper meanings, and then begin using the term on their own.

[–]theredpillager 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah man, there is a direct connection between the red pill of the manosphere to its usage by the legions of t_d support and the alt right. If you're ignoring that, you're being intentionally daft. Also, I don't believe for a second you've been using that language for ten years. I don't even believe you were old enough to legally watch the matrix ten years ago. The internet is an easy place to make shit up, which is exactly what you're doing.

[–]6ix_ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Excellent move. I personally appreciate it.

[–]8n0n 6 points7 points  (4 children)

With the quality of moderation set by the standard of this main sub, that sub will outshine politics even when it was at its best.

I think you may underestimate just how much of a vacuum your filling on Reddit with that new sub, RPS. Plus it naturally allowing links/discussion of material from this sub will also bring more exposure of TRP, brilliant.

Read this post at own risk and presume this has been modified by Reddit Inc

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We will moderate with the same iron fist we moderate here. Thanks for your vote of confidence!

[–]The_Best_01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

even when it was at its best

I assume you're talking about politics and not theRedPillRight?

[–]RedDeadCred 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are God damn lighthouse in a sea of darkness

[–]hansfriedee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you call it red pill politics or something instead? I'm not right wing but would like to discuss politics... It kind of implies that you're already part of a certain political belief. Is that required to participate there kind of like it is at the Donald?

[–]Zenonlite 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I feel the same way. Sometimes, I couldn't discern whether a post was from TRP or the_donald.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

My political view is I don't give a shit.

Someone always makes money off of any political move. Fuck it. Might as well be me.

I made a ton of money the past couple years helping companies deal with the bullshit ACA regulations. Thanks obama!

Actually hilarious to know it will be repealed.

There will always be some new dumb shit. Why fight it? I'll just join the winning team.

[–]1edwardhwhite 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I am fighting it because I need it.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is a pretty intelligent response. Keep your head down and focus on yourself and your work. That will have far greater impact on your life than who is president

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I don't see nearly enough reports of shitty behaviour.

The bitching is my biggest pet peeve. removing questions, shitty off topic content, and children lashing out is a part time job, if 10% of the complaints were reports, that would clean up the frontpage in an instant.

Typical of the newly unplugged, think this is a value factory, and they can leech. ya gotta take care of your space, becuase it ultimately does belong to the users

[–]1edwardhwhite 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I DESPERATELY NEED HELP WITH THIS ONE GIRL! RIGHT AWAY!

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 15 points16 points  (2 children)

So she didn't text me back and also blocked my number... what should I do??

[–]juliusstreicher 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Hey, man,

Just be your self!

[–]2jagrmeister721 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hear that gift-buying is the way to a woman's heart.

[–]TheReformist94 4 points5 points  (0 children)

before the creation of the redpillright sub, it was not possible for the sub to not be diluted by politics. to ban the discussion of veering off the topic of sexual strategy was pointless as The Red Pill, at base is Sexual Economics, probably, most closely, Austrian Sexual Economics.

Feminism is merely one of the tentacles of cultural marxism, which is ravaging western society, and a great obstacle to men who do not know how to use feminism to their advantage.

For those who frequent this sub, i strongly recommend the NEOREACTIONARY movement.

[–]Troll_Name 6 points7 points  (18 children)

"You say you don't have an interest in politics, but what do you say about politics having an interest in you?"

The fight was taken to us, from the moment we were born.

When we tried to walk away from it, the fight followed us.

We tried to run, we tried to hide, we tried to negotiate, we tried to deter, we tried to resolve, we tried let the other side have their way in hopes of them finding satisfaction. We have exhausted all peaceful options.

What's left is to either stand up and go down in history as Big Meanies, or lay down and be tortured until our meat is packaged on store shelves.

[–]1edwardhwhite 25 points26 points  (16 children)

Trump's a fool.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

I won't censor anybody from saying so, but I prefer a reasoned argument. You've got +1 points from our ECs so I'm hoping you've got more to say.

[–]DBerwick 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I won't censor anybody from saying so, but I prefer a reasoned argument.

You have no idea how much I appreciate this. I'm not a subscriber here; I usually bounce from sub to sub (often following comment links), bringing both agreement and disagreement wherever I go. The notion of safe spaces (in my opinion) is becoming increasingly common, and more and more I find myself banned for having an opinion that offends the community I'm in.

No room to grow, no mutual learning (I never presume I'm "educating" someone; I like to think of myself as socratic), no insightful (though usually inciteful) discussion.

Cards on the table -- I'm politically left and don't regard TRP's methods very highly. But I can't deny that I've been banned from more subs I generally agree with than right-learning ones like this sub. Which I've got a lot of respect for.

Why the life story? I hope it means a little more coming from someone who would generally disagree with you, to hear that you still have good moderation policies. Echo chambers are where personal growth goes to die. Keep up the good work.

[–]Swallowed_the_pill 5 points6 points  (0 children)

TRP is a tool box. It's the user that decides how to use it. Women like winners, good physique, confidence, competence and leaders. How you become those things is completely up to you. If you have only read posts and comments, you don't really know what TRP is. The sidebar is the core of TRP. It's very tough to "agree" with at first because it goes against anything and everything you've learned about women and sexual attraction. It's tough for a lot of people to swallow that they are not a special snowflake and hard work and good habits are required to become succesfull.

[–]Proto_Sigma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey RPS, I love the work you do for the sub. I'm only partway through my own Red pill Journey, and I'm curious as to how one gets points from EC's / becomes an EC. I'd like to ascend to the pantheon of Brodin someday.

[–]1FunAndFreedom 5 points6 points  (6 children)

You have a bit of an uphill battle with this argument. Billionaire, model wife, won a presidential race against all odds. You can dislike the guy or disagree with his politics, but I don't know how you're making an argument he's a fool.

[–]1edwardhwhite 3 points4 points  (5 children)

He's making it for me. Check today's paper.

[–]1FunAndFreedom 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Are you talking to me or are you talking to yourself? Because I have no idea what you are referencing and it doesn't seem like you're putting any effort into your posts.

[–]1edwardhwhite 7 points8 points  (3 children)

He is in bed with the Russians. They hoped to get a quid pro quo out of him and helped him with Clinton. Multiple many sourced stories out there this very morning regarding Trump high level campaign staffers with extensive contacts with Russian intelligence personnel. He had to fire his National Security Advisor after 3 weeks! For telling the Russians to hold off on sanctions and lying about it.

[–]2435734098 7 points8 points  (2 children)

He had to fire his National Security Advisor after 3 weeks!

And the whole ordeal shed light in the 'shadow government' that has been operating for who knows how many years, took the issue from 'tinfoil hat' territory to being all over MSM. Now it's much easier for him to fight them and remove them. You could argue that Flynn was used as a pawn to achieve this from the start and he's already being replaced. Flynn did achieve something.

He is in bed with the Russians.

There hasn't been conclusive proof of that other than MSM bullshit and hit pieces.

[–]1edwardhwhite 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Shadow government my ass. The guy lied. He got fired. What are you saying? Geeze if that shadow government did not exist then nobody would have known that the NSA designate illegally freelanced about it then lied about to the VP and the FBI?

Is your argument that if it wasn't for the alleged shadow state that these people would be allowed to break the law?

There is no shadow state. Shit leaks. You must be like Trump--the leaks are true but the story is false. How can the information be classified yet also false?

[–]1edwardhwhite 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As for proof, all we have is him asking the Russians to hack Hillary, the fact that the Russians also hacked Congressional races in favor of Republicans, that his campaign manager worked for an FSB-backed pro-Russia candidate in Ukraine, that the only change demanded in the GOP platform was to scale back the Republican's' insistence on arming Ukraine to fight off Russia, the fact that the DNC hacks were perpetrated by Russian intelligence, and that Flynn was actively courted by the Russians, who paid him to speak at the RT banquet in Moscow and sat him next to Putin. Oh yeah and the fact that US Intelligence has verified many of the communications in the dossier? Still don't believe it? Yesterday General Mattis, Trump's Secretary of Defense said the Russians interfered in our elections. Collusion? No smoking gun, but the sound of a gunshot and smoke.

[–]Flaming_DragonMan 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Yeah, he's a fool who's a multi millionaire and President of the United States and who, as far as I can tell, is holding true to his campaign promises. Keep swallowing some of those media blue pills my friend.

[–]1edwardhwhite 8 points9 points  (1 child)

He's blue pill. Whines like a baby, has zero frame. Has temper tantrums. Real men like Hayward, Navy SEAL, do not want to work with him.

[–]This1sMyWorkAccount 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But but but but.... her emails!

[–]juliusstreicher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just when I thought I was out...

[–]DysfunctionalBrother 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only way i can see things getting better is either:

A. The government takes away the privileges women enjoy and the shit men endure i.e women always being right and the victim, men being wrong and always the oppressor.

B. Violence.

It doesn't matter if what we say is correct, we can explain all fucking day and they still wont accept it because they don't care, they want it all their way whether it is good for society or not because they are spoilt narcissistic children.

Pretty soon though if the sex bots come out and become popular then either:

A. Men use those for escape, are sexually satisfied (as you can be with something that isn't real, but maybe it will be better at accomplishing this than porn), which will make men more beta and more easy to control since their brain is saying "I'm getting the dopamine and I'm eating so I'm surviving"

So no hope of a revolution, society will eventually collapse or be destroyed by those in other countries who wish us harm.

Or B. what i previously wrote except that the bots are so good that men don't need women anymore at all and have no investment in taking bullshit from them if they start attacking them.

There are so many ways though it could turn out now because so much is going on.

[–]DAD_FISTER points points [recovered]

We need to shut the sub down.

It's about to explode and nothing good will come of it. Imagine cunty 16 year old talking about how alpha they are. Oh wait that already happened.

Imagine douche commercials going "feed your inner alpha". Oh wait that already happened.

I do not look forward to what future years are going to bring.

The mods need to make the choice and shut the community down. Maybe start it up again somewhere else that's harder to find to keep it isolated.

I've been a member here for five years. The general quality has gone down and the mods will ban you for even saying that. I'm probably going to get banned for this comment in fact. I'm allowed to say it though. Quality has taken a hit, just like it always does when user base grows.

Now is the time to protect the interests of current members and shut it down.

[–]Politikon 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Hey, it was good about 4-5 years ago when this sub was new and fresh and everyone, regardless of race or political leaning, could work together in harmony to absorb the sub's teachings and get mountains of pussy. But that time has clearly passed. The sub has grown too large, and has succumbed to group think and hubris just like the feminists. I just feel bad for the new subs that aren't partisan hacks. They probably think we are all die-hard right-wingers that get a hard on for dank Trump memes. Take what you learned from here and move on, is what I would suggest. Maybe pass the knowledge on to someone in the future. Except don't call your insights the now passe term 'red pill', and don't direct them to this now cesspool of a sub.

[–]Alesayr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Without looking very very carefully this sub looks just about as far-right as can be. Now, that perception is perhaps not quite true in reality, there's a bit more diversity here than appears at first glance but the less alt-righty folks can be drowned out a bit.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 1 point2 points  (2 children)

 

Technical / Procedural Message

 

At this exact moment in time the new sub is not yet added to the "official" Red Pill subreddits list. (sidebar)

Moderators could you please correct this technical issue.

(I'm not sure who is responsible for the techie stuff)

 

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

On it. Just need a moment to update them all.

[–]useyourmouth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Still not finding it on the sidebar btw

[–]2jagrmeister721 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Completely agree. I'm glad there's a separate sub for people who want to take the discussion in that direction. Particularly with our political climate today, you can't get away from political discussions & everything becomes politicized. Seemingly there is no "news" worth reporting on TV and in the newspaper except the White House. Hopefully this other sub means fewer digressions here on which political party is less objectionable than the other.

[–]BobbyPeru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's itonic that a post encouraging less politics (and more sexual strategy)has turned political in the comments

[–]Kalepsis 68 points69 points  (11 children)

I, for one, really do not identify with conservatives, modern Republicans, and especially not Trump (who acts more like a spoiled woman than any man I've ever seen; who also signed executive orders today that get rid of the requirement of a fiduciary to act in the best interest of the client instead of himself, which means they're legally allowed to steal your retirement money, and to get rid of Dodd-Frank so his fucktastically rich friends on Wall Street can steal all of our other money and crash the economy again. So conservative and populist, right?). If anything, I lean more toward Red Pill Left. Which is not an oxymoron, despite what some here may think. Progressivism and TRP are not mutually exclusive.

The point is, my political views have nothing to do with my enjoyment of this community, and neither do anyone else's. If I want to read about reddit's politics, I'll go to /r/politics. I come here for sexual strategy. So thanks, OP.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (5 children)

lol progressivism and TRP is absolutely oil and water.

[–]RedsideoftheMoon 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I'd have to disagree, because the red pill fundamentally sees women in a sexually progressive way. There's a reason "traditional conservative" is a thing. The red pill may see men "traditionally," but it does not see women traditionally in the sense that a good woman who has saved herself for a proper man bears his children and waits on him hand and foot (AWALT fundamentally disagrees that such behavior is basically a social contract that can be broken at any time)

The red pill is simply realistic, and I f you think just because feminists identify as left then TRP has to identify as right, that's a logical fallacy. Just look at DiCaprio, many consider him to be a proper red pill role model, and he's pretty fucking leftist

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Progressive can mean a lot of things. DiCapri is a progressive because he cares about the environment or starving kids in africa. Many hollywood elite are progressives for pet issues like this. But the traditional progressivism of relying on big state to take care of you and blaming your gender, race, height, whatever for your shortcomings is what is oil and water about progressivism

[–]RedsideoftheMoon 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'm glad that we can agree that progressivism and conservatism aren't black and white terms. Because I grew up in a conservative, traditional, religious (Christian) household and none of the stuff I learned about regarding sex identifies even remotely with TRP. In fact, most conservative states push abstinence as a form of sex-ed and I'm pretty sure that's oil and water right there. And not to mention abortion, could you imagine if you got one of these chicks pregnant accidentally and miraculously you both agree that you don't want to raise a child together but the state shut down all the abortion centers?

Let's be realistic and call it what it is, TRP is anti new wave feminist. Just because new wave feminism identifies with progressivism doesn't mean TRP implicitly identifies with conservatism. Plenty of bros on here who care about the environment and science and all that jazz

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Definitely agree with that. No one here really is anti-abortion rights, nor are they traditional conservatives. Red Pill methodology is far more libertarian - the buck ends at you and you should focus on yourself and your own because the world wont. Traditional conservatism preaches sacrificing of self for family, putting god above all (RP is anti-religion IMO), etc. While there is merit that the strength of the family unit is beneficial for society at large and the left is trying to dismantle the family unit, that is about as far as it aligns with TRP right. Nor does The Red Pill recommend the neo con approach of going off to war to fight for their nations interests, but not to fight tyranny or promote freedom. That hasnt been the case since WWII

Red Pill is NOT Republican. It is libertarian.

[–]I_AM_CALAMITY 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Tricking yourself into believing fiduciaries can now steal investments is blue pill political thought.

get rid of Dodd-Frank so his fucktastically rich friends on Wall Street can steal all of our other money and crash the economy again.

A red pill political thought would be that repealing Dodd-Frank would recreate the conditions to replicate the Great Recession. That was the raving of someone taking a massive dose of political blue pill. Political blue pill preys upon self-righteousness and tells you that those who oppose you are evil at the root, assigning motives that make NO sense.

There are many Trump supporters who are blue pill, just as there are many men with girlfriends who are blue pill. I agree with the sentiment behind what you are saying.

[–]I_dont_understandit 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I feel the same way you do. Progressive towards government policy, but still think the Red Pill has a lot of insights about gender. I really wish people like us could get our own groups going. I think there are a lot of liberal men who are fed up with dealing with feminist bullshit, but still want medicare for all.

[–]trphardmode 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Red pill is really the globalist vs nationalist angle.

There is no way to be a red pilled globalist.

Left vs right is the socialist vs capitalist angle.

The issue with the Red Pilled Left is that it makes you a Nationalist Socialist - which carries a lot of baggage right now.

[–]dropitmike 48 points49 points  (5 children)

I just landed here trying to find out more about Milo amidst all the recent negative media attention. And honestly, after only a couple of his YouTube videos, he's already got my respect in his bag.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (4 children)

Same, I looked for a neo Nazi and found a hilarious faggot who shits on myths.

[–]hermit087 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Fun fact: actual white nationalists hate Milo. "He is a gay Jew racemixer who is trying to co-opt our movement!"

Watching the media and SJW's call him and Gavin Mcinnes "Nazi" really is incredible.

[–]Troll_Name 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Actual white nationalists" are a strawman army who never come any closer than over-the-horizon.

I've encountered an actual den of internet nazis once - next to nothing to do with traditional nazis. There were maybe a few dozen or even a few hundred of them, but then the mainstream media acts like these people are a greater stain on conservatism than 1500 years of international terrorism and slavery are a stain on Islam.

[–]Flaming_DragonMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People I talk to about him (I was at the Berkeley thing a couple of weeks ago) keep spouting the same meme about how he engages in 'hate speech." (And keep in mind these are people who have never heard him talk.) Aside from his routine fat people and tranny jokes jokes I don't think I've ever heard him engage in true hate speech of any kind, not that it matters anyways.

[–]prodigy2throw 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Thanks for stopping this sub from turning into the_donald 2.0

[–]reecewagner 66 points67 points  (77 children)

Maybe not the place to discuss it but here's one thing that confuses me about the "red pill right": when I think right-wing politics, I think conservatism, I think religion, I think archaic tradition-based morals. When I think TRP, I think of a much more realistic, pragmatic outlook on life than anything remotely religious could offer. Do these two viewpoints not regularly clash?

[–]faded_jester 95 points96 points  (62 children)

Cognitive dissonance is key to modern politics in the west.

I mean the right is defined as "small government, fiscal responsibility, personal freedom, and praise Jesus!" and for the last few decades has done the exact opposite (they do give lots of lip service to the religious right but they themselves have no problem being the exact opposite of what Christianity is supposed to embody) and nobody seems to notice or give a fuck.

The left isn't much better in their complete refusal to acknowledge that extreme political correctness is just as harmful as any other type of extremism.

The red pill has a very tribal instinct to ignore everyone who doesn't play for the "right team", just like every other group of people.

The Right = Greatness

The Left = Cucks

Very little room for any type of real discussion.

In my personal opinion, playing cheerleader for a political team is just about the least red pill thing a man can do. If you make a decision without hearing both sides, you're a fucking fool.

Edit: The responses all over this thread are perfect examples of cognitive dissonance. Argue a point, only give examples that you feel prove your right, omit anything that proves your wrong, ignore everything that contradicts your perception. 100% Cognitive Dissonance

It doesn't make a you a piece of shit, it just makes you extremely easy to manipulate. There is a reason it's so easy to get people to vote against their own best interests. Get them to pick a team (easiest way is to champion an emotional but ultimately unimportant argument), demonize the other team and poof....all logic and reason go out the window.

[–]g8TUNESbra 45 points46 points  (1 child)

Personally, I think the Trumpeting is hurting the sub. Keep politics or of here.

[–]TheRiseAndFall 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Social dynamics is politics. Even a small tribal society has politics. To ignore politics is like closing your eyes and going "lalalalala". We have to acknowledge that the political climite of our country doesneffect our lives, does effect our society, and does have sexual strategy.

[–]reecewagner 25 points26 points  (59 children)

Being non-religious, I would consider myself much more left-leaning than right, simply because I have no use for the kind of superstition-based morality that right-wing politics inevitably becomes muddied with. What about that makes me a cuck?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 24 points25 points  (32 children)

I think the problem is that social liberals who are fiscally conservative could belong to either camp, really.

[–]alphabeta49 13 points14 points  (30 children)

Exactly. I am politically ultra-conservative but socially ultra-liberal. Those two things operate well together in the real world, and Trump's policies are damn close to epitomizing that blend.

There needs to be either a major shift in one or both primary parties or a stronger third party. Big Rep vs. Big Dem (with a very quiet green or lib party) doesn't work anymore.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 30 points31 points  (11 children)

Social Liberals have a tendency to invite non-socialy liberal groups of people into their countries. Then demographic transition happens. Pretty soon rocks are being thrown at socialy liberal women by immigrant populations and welfare programs get expanded, because those are extremely popular amongst non-socialy liberal populations.

Next thing you know everyone is voting along racial lines like in Brazil and your Socialy Liberal Fiscal Conservative side is losing because you are being out reproduced.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 14 points15 points  (10 children)

You can be pro-gay, pro-personal freedoms, pro-choice, pro-drugs, and still not want immigrants that won't assimilate though.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 0 points1 point  (9 children)

You can be pro-gay, pro-personal freedoms, pro-choice, pro-drugs, and still not want immigrants that won't assimilate though.

Hey that's me.

I'm also against giving any support to the mentally ill homeless. I think they should all be rounded up and sent to an island.

[–]alphabeta49 7 points8 points  (7 children)

They are. It's called prison. And it's not working.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 0 points1 point  (6 children)

No, I'm talking about an actual island and dumping them there with no government assistance.

Prisons cost money to run.

[–]theworldisyours96 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But that's not a realistic option. If your only options are to let crazies roam the streets vs give them cognitive therapy and addiction treatment and get them off the streets, I think it's clear cut.

[–]faded_jester 14 points15 points  (12 children)

Trump's policies are damn close to epitomizing that blend.

Name one thing he's done that could be considered "ultra-liberal".

[–]alphabeta49 11 points12 points  (11 children)

Embracing the LGBTQ community is a start.

Here's the thing, I don't believe the government should have social policies. So the fact that you don't think he has much socially liberal bent doesn't matter. He lives and lets live, and actually focuses on what the government should be doing, which is

establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 13 points14 points  (6 children)

Isn't it funny that we have to embrace them but they are as a whole vehemently against us?

We're going to be trying to teach our sons the virtues of traditional masculinity and stoicism. Meanwhile they are dead set on promoting headonism sodomy and transvestites.

Hate to break it to you but LGBTQ arnt live and live libertarians. They have a tendency to impose their values on people.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I don't personally care about LGBT. If they wanna do themselves in weird positions with a weird mix of genders and whatnot, so be it.

I see no reason why it matters to me, nor do I see a reason it should be part of our discourse.

[–]alphabeta49 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Impose their values? Like they think I should be gay?

I haven't met a single LGBTQ person who imposes his or her views on me, or oppresses me or makes me feel uncomfortable. I live in a city of less than 600k people though, so maybe the larger more liberal cities are more gay and a straight pretty white boy like myself should feel oppressed...?

Gays tend to have more radical liberal views. But that's because they're radical liberal, not because they're gay. The radical liberal side has done a good job at winning them over, that's all. This election cycle has seen more conservative gays coming out of the political closet.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Oh gays don't impose their values? Guess it's totaly cool to use the word Faggot and gays won't impose their sensitivities on you.

[–]like_jinkies_man 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Curious about how you reconcile promoting the general welfare without social policies.

[–]alphabeta49 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Those two things are different, the way I define them. Maybe you see them as synonymous.

The govt needs to butt its nose OUT of issues like homosexuality. The government should concern itself with legal issues only, not moral ones.

Concerning welfare... government assistance is fine, when limited. Everyone needs a leg up sometimes. But it should never be ok to make a career out of collecting welfare.

Welfare=government assistance. Social policies=moral topics.

[–]g8TUNESbra 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's all lip service, he's appointed a lot of socially conservative people who will do the opposite once in power. I also like how telling gay people they can keep their rights is somehow a super liberal thing to do and not just the right thing to do.

[–]nunyabinness 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I am politically ultra-conservative but socially ultra-liberal.

Have you considered that you might be a libertarian?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 18 points19 points  (2 children)

I think most here lean libertarian, but I will say that anybody who thinks the free market fixes absolutely everything, including things with limited supply or unlimited demand (for instance the radio spectrum, roads, or healthcare) without any regulation is drinking koolaid.

[–]I_dont_understandit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but I will say that anybody who thinks the free market fixes absolutely everything, including things with limited supply or unlimited demand (for instance the radio spectrum, roads, or healthcare) without any regulation is drinking koolaid.

God, it is so refreshing to hear a tiny bit of sanity! This brightens up my day.

[–]alphabeta49 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sure I am, but the libertarian candidate this cycle was a joke. I also have lots of national pride and love some good, old fashioned capitalism (which I understand is a bygone concept).

[–]BareFistEmpiricist 5 points6 points  (1 child)

The terms "left" and "right" make a pointless association between political concepts that are completely unrelated. There is no solid rational for bundling together such things as religiosity, fiscal prudence, government social intervention, etc. The terms "right" and "left" are confounding at best, and more often then not encourage lazy political thinking.

[–]I_dont_understandit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, it's mostly a result of the fact that our First Past the Post election system leads inevitably to only 2 political parties. When there are only 2 political parties, its easy to convince people that there are also only 2 points of view on anything. hence "left and right."

[–]faded_jester 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Ask the people whose response are limited to phrases like "cuck" and "libtard".

I lean left myself.

I was speaking about those people, not for them.

[–]hardly_incognito 6 points7 points  (22 children)

superstition-based morality

Care to elaborate? I'm only curious as to how strong borders, refusal of letting in Islamic immigrants, and eliminating the PC culture are superstition-based.

Those are a few things that Milo represents, as well as many who are siding against the hard-left which has emerged here recently. Indeed some among us may be religious, but I personally am not. Also I do not see wrong in being religious in the slightest unless your religion seeks to take action and infringe upon my livelihood.

[–]faded_jester 0 points1 point  (21 children)

Your entire statement is a very good example of pure cognitive dissonance.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (10 children)

Sooo... not going to answer his question? Gotcha.

[–]faded_jester -4 points-3 points  (9 children)

Whats the point? He did exactly what people with cognitive dissonance do.

It's textbook in it's clarity.

If you aren't intelligent enough to see it, I'm certainly not going to paint the picture for you.

You just keep assuming that because you can't figure it out, it must mean it doesn't exist. That's a great way to go through life.

Edit: Scroll down and I do give examples of what I'm talking about. Apparently I was too "emotional" by declaring it so patently obvious that it shouldn't need clarification.

[–]Diarrhea_Van_Frank 6 points7 points  (7 children)

It's not my job to explain it to you.

You sound like the Tumblrtards that are the antithesis of this sub. Make your arguments with reason, not emotion, or don't make them.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

None of that necessitated cognitive dissonance.

I'm lean conservative both fiscally and socially (though to a lesser extent). I'm also a vehement atheist. I also know many, many people who fall into that category.

There's a lot of conservatives who are not religious. I support stronger borders, limiting the spread of Islam into our country, and I am against the growing cancer that is PC culture.

How can you, given only that criteria, say that I must have clear cognitive dissonance in my political views?

If you aren't intelligent enough to see it, I'm certainly not going to paint the picture for you.

Ah, yes. The "I'm too smart for you, really, I am. No, I won't explain this simple concept that is really easy to explain because I'm too smart. So smart."

I think you simply do not have enough experience outside of your bubble to realize that there are a myriad of ways to approach the world beyond the simple red and blue.

[–]hardly_incognito 1 point2 points  (9 children)

Your previous statement is doing exactly what mainstream media has done. This heavy amount of polarization does indeed retard actual discussion as people such as yourself believe that everyone must identify red/blue and take all that the entire party represents as their political identity.

This is not true in the slightest.

[–]faded_jester 3 points4 points  (8 children)

people such as yourself believe that everyone must identify red/blue

Show me one example of this. Just one of me telling people to pick a team. You're being exactly what your claiming to be against. You see me shit on the right, assume I must be uber left, paint me as such, and then claim I'm the problem.

Your assumptions are the fucking problem. This might be a revelation to you, but you can shit on either side and not be a cheerleading member of the opposite.

I tend to shit on the right more because they make it so easy with their blatant hypocrisy and their never ending asskissing of the religious right but I'm not a fool who votes blue no matter what. I also have no problem shitting on the left when they take the moronic/emotional approach to solving problems or whatever else they do that's retarded.

I don't have a "team" because there is no team that gives a shit about me. There are only teams who are less obvious regarding how disposable they feel I am.

Jesus titty fucking christ, you are thinking exactly like the people you are claiming to be against.

I'M NOT LEFT OR RIGHT

I HATE BOTH TEAMS

I make decisions based on facts, evidence, and history. I don't give a fuck whose team they are coming from. I don't care about the media. I care about the truth and try to get as close to it as I can.

[–]hardly_incognito 2 points3 points  (7 children)

Then we agree. I don't know why you're being so angry. Triggered much?

I read up on both sides, identify with ideals from both, etc. Of course currently I do primarily align with our president and I am against what the left is feeding those morons who blatantly cry "fascism!" whilst prohibiting free speech themselves.

Learn to discuss your points with less emotion. My original reply was to another who dismissed the entire right and labeled them as superstitious and the likes. He generalized an entire group as religious and their ideologies. What did I do?

I calmly asked him to explain and reaffirm his point further by explaining to me how certain issues are superstitious. This is opening the floor for him to explain his POV and enable readers such as myself to learn from it. That's implying the person had a reasonable stance to begin with.

Again I reiterate, less emotion. Your writing style conveys how angry you are, and I don't say this to troll... I used to be very emotional about discussing politics and extremely apolitical. When people tried to label me, etc, I'd respond with anger.

Now I give zero fucks, especially over randoms who disagree on the internet (not pointing fingers at you, I speak in terms of generalities).

Wish you the best.

edit: Seeking the truth in this modern age is extremely hard. If anything I find solace in readings from past philosophers, biographies of great men, and as you, history. These (while biased for their time) are seemingly non-corrupt and allow for one to create their own moral dialogue, from which the individual can build a foundation to base their principles on, as opposed to listening to obviously biased media outlets (on both sides, I mean c'mon, it's obvious af Fox/CNN have an agenda).

[–]I_dont_understandit -1 points0 points  (6 children)

Learn to discuss your points with less emotion.

Could you maybe tell some people on "the_Donald" that little gem of advice? I think the reason people people like the "faded_jester" are "emotional" ie because they are sick of dealing with bullshit reactions from people who "support our president" as you do. Maybe they will listen to you.

[–]hardly_incognito 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Not even subbed to the_donald. Very vague and weak post. What point are you trying to make? It seems more like an attempt at minor ad hominem that is created by making a large generalization as to who I am as a person to fit your agenda.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I don't see why they need to. Part of TRP is that we're pragmatists. And while I'm not religious myself, I see the use of religion in culture and history.

I'm not saying that everybody there would necessarily agree on points- for instance, the pro-life/pro-choice debate seems like one with no discernible ending, only differing opinions. But I think the discussion of it can still be had.

[–]BrodinsOats 12 points13 points  (1 child)

TRP is much more libertarian than neo-conservative, imo. And libertarian is actually "classical liberalism." Neo-liberalism just bastardized the term.

Think of Ron & Rand Paul's stances... marriage should not be defined by the state, legalize all drugs, etc. These are not "tradition-based morals." The abortion debate gets a whole lot more nuanced, though.

Unfortunately libertarianism is far too logical and abstract to ever compete with populism. It's realist pragmatism, but it takes some intelligence to understand.

It's the same issue with the red vs blue pill sexual dynamics that we discuss here. That's the connection.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 1 point2 points  (1 child)

when I think right-wing politics, I think conservatism, I think religion, I think archaic tradition-based morals.

That's the problem of a polarized two party-system - isues that get taken up by one side usually only leave the opposite to the other. If you want a more differentiated approach, pick a multi-party system... but then don't complain if the results aren't to your liking either (I've been a huge fan of multiparty systems for most of my life until I finally came to the conclusion that the Westminster system ultimately produces better results).

[–]I_dont_understandit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The problem of the 2 party system is one of my favorite subjects! I have also advocated multi-party systems, particular through use of range voting elections. I'm curious why you decided Westminster is better?

Well this is totally of subject, but if you don't mind, I don't either. :-)

[–]RyanMAGA 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Do these two viewpoints not regularly clash?

No. Religion exists to help men control and allocate female sexuality. The whole point is that men and women are different, and if women have their way civilization can't exist. Religions that don't do this do not survive. Christianity used to provide most men with a loyal virgin to bear his children. It no longer does that and thus it is dying. That's the core of it, the god stuff is just the outer layer.

Now that Christianity has been hollowed out we need to be more aware of the nature of women in order to produce a healthy society, but the reality is that most men can never achieve a sufficient level of knowledge to produce a working civilization without religion doing the hard work.

Also for some reason the term "red pill" is used only to refer to sexuality in this subreddit. Historical use of the term has always referred to all hidden truths about human nature. This includes the nature vs nurture debate, and thus race. People who have actually consumed the red pill will recognize that that the "achievement gaps" between various races cannot be fixed by throwing money at them, or by anything really.

[–]Ricardo_Machista 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Well a goddess of the right is Ayn Rand who was an Atheist, uber-rationalist, science worshiping, secular moralist. So apparently not.

The thing you have to understand about the American right is that it's extremely diverse. That's why the Republican Party can have 15 candidates in the primaries who all hate each other. You have evangelicals, neo-cons, libertarians, federalists, constitutional conservatives, social conservatives, neo-liberals, paleo-conservatives, and so on. A lot of these groups are former progressives who became disaffected from the Democratic Party or leftism in general at some point in the countries history, like the neo-cons who were former Trotskyites and who's ideology came out of the progressive era. This seems to happen every generation, and is happening now with many liberals becoming alienated by identity politics. The right is a lot of things, but mainly just anti left which is what all these groups have in common.

[–]reecewagner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmmm. And I quite like Ayn Rand.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Redpill is more of a libertarian right philosophy instead of a neo-con right philosophy

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TRP = libertarian and mastery of self. Follows closely with conservatism but they clash quite a bit

[–]sonder_one 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Right and Conservatism are not synonyms. It's like saying that the Left and Liberalism are synonyms, even though the true liberalism has always been right-wing. The conversation is just really messed up.

Conservatism is the belief that the sum of all wisdom derived throughout human history should not be discarded in favor of something you thought up in five minutes while sitting on the toilet. There is value in conservatism, but what is conserved can also be wrong (earth is flat, right?).

Liberalism is limited government and natural rights. Free markets, aka "the Right" are basically the same. Leftism, aka collectivism aka communism/socialism, is the belief that centralized management, forced distribution, etc lead to superior outcomes by compensating for "privilege."

[–]Flaming_DragonMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe that's the difference between the traditional right and the new alt right. When I think of the young conservatives supporting Trump and TRP I see a lot of similar values, and from the responses here I'm guessing that many of you do as well. At it's core, both TRP and the philosophy of Trump supporters are the same: They're both opposed to disingenuous dialogue and they speak truths that might be considered ugly by some, but are nonetheless true. I'm actually surprised that not 100 percent of TRP members are on board with Trump, but then not 100 percent of TRP members have been hardworking, diligent, and effective in applying TRP principles either.

[–]Dirkz 87 points88 points  (14 children)

Honest question: If I got to this new sub and try and engage in honest open dialogue will I be banned for disagreeing with thedonald narrative?

It's ironic that this sub comes about on the coat tails of the Milo protests, we all know that whiny SJWs have shut down any opinion that is not their own since the election... But on the other hand so does thedonald. That place may be one of the biggest echo chambers on reddit.

I am hesitant to participate because I firmly believe you can hold liberal views and be redpill or alpha. More so than that, I feel that it's redpill to acknowledge that this polarization of every issue is absurd and takes any real thought out of every issue. On the far left you have crybaby, fat, feminazi, tublirina SJWs and on the other end you have this dense, fascist alt_right thedonald movement and it's embarrassing to be associated with either because neither holds an opinion based in reality. They're both as moronic in polar opposite directions.

[–]Top_Ozone 34 points35 points  (1 child)

The_donald knows it's an echo chamber and they don't pretend to be anything else. It's just about the only place you can talk about Trump without automatically being banned or flooded with downvotes, and their policies are really the only way to keep it like that.

[–]thomasahle 9 points10 points  (0 children)

So it is like a safe space for Trump supporters? /s

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

If you attack ideas and policies rather than the person, you are open to any well reasoned discussion, yes. I don't agree with everything Trump does. That said, I respect him and the work he does.

[–]rp_newdawn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with your sentiments. Perhaps we have the opportunity to shape something that will benefit us

[–]1nzgs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can go on the_donald and post something anti-Trump and it won't be censored or deleted unless it's just flaming. The reverse is not the case. That alone tells you which "side" is the intolerant one.

[–]crazycattime -4 points-3 points  (5 children)

If you think thedonald is fascist, or so obviously fascist that it doesn't bear proof, you're probably somewhat misinformed. The "fascist" slur has been levied against thedonald and the alt_right for a strategic purpose by globalists. Pick up a copy of Jonah Goldber's "Liberal Fascism" and you'll have a better understanding of the term. Otherwise, you're merely repeating Soros talking points by slandering thedonald as fascist.

[–]Dirkz 10 points11 points  (4 children)

I mean I don't need to really pick up some fucking book to understand a word. It's a good way to try and argue a point or disguise truths but if I'm using a word, then the definition works just fine for me.... not some sort of, how do you say alternative definition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Key words: authoritarian, nationalism and far right. Far right, being the exact opposite of the far left SJW, both of which are miles from the truth that lies somewhere in between. I appreciate your dialogue though, I was just curious if this new subreddit would be open to just that.

[–]crazycattime 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well, that's kind of my point. Goldberg does an excellent job refuting the key words you presented, at least as to the application to the right wing. It's taken as common knowledge now that fascism is a right-wing system, but that isn't the whole truth. I'm sure you're aware that Wikipedia is heavily biased leftward wherever possible (see, e.g., their Gamergate entry). So the fact that Wikipedia says it's "far right" doesn't hold any weight with me.
But I appreciate your dialogue, too. That's something that's missing from both thedonald and the SJW forums, but seems to be still available on the darkenlightenment subreddits. The point of the red pill is seeing past the lies that "everybody knows." Politics, however, seems to get people's dander up much more than anything else. You know we're not misogynistic shitlords, but we can't trust the mainstream to acknowledge it.
I still think it's best that we keep politics out of the main sub, so having a related sub where this stuff can be discussed is a good idea. There's so much TRP truth that transcends left-right thinking that there's no reason to alienate people unnecessarily.

[–]forgotmyothernames points points [recovered]

the notion that you cant be redpilled and liberal is the philosophy's largest blind spot.

[–]Newreddawn 34 points35 points  (4 children)

Which should make for an interesting discussion topic. I think the dissociation from emotion is possible for those that lean left or right, but reasonable voices on the left are being drowned out by hordes of furious people making emotional arguments right now.

I used to be left leaning, now I lean right, but I could definitely shift back someday. Red pill thought isn't as simple as alignment with a point on the political spectrum. I hope.

[–]RP_Br3 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Depends heavily on what people in US defines as left, but I may be able to help out. While I'm more right than most swedes, Sweden is way more left than USA. I'm also involved in national politics on a Libertarian party.

I wouldnt mind answering questions about politics on national or personal level, but unsure how to set it up. If there will be some thread or something in the future I'm in, but I wont be the one taking the first step

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look forward to seeing you over on Red Pill Right.

[–]nunyabinness 5 points6 points  (0 children)

reasonable voices on the left are being drowned out by hordes of furious people making emotional arguments right now.

If by right now you mean for the last few decades then yes.

[–]bigcitytruth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is definitely interesting. The left is pussified to the point of being pathetic. The right is alpha, yet they cling on to out-of-date policies that are causing us to fall behind our Western counterparts in quality of life, and seem to ignore plain-as-fucking-day provable facts on nearly every political subject under the sun.

I hate both parties.

[–]that_star_wars_guy 127 points128 points  (11 children)

That and the idea that leaning left automatically makes you a "cucked, libtard, socialist, Muslim lover, who wants to see the rise of a globalist tyranny and the downfall of nations"

Leaning left doesn't mean you subscribe to extremist left views, but a great many people insist that it does.

[–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (5 children)

This is how you recognize American posts. You're with us or you're a loser that's against us. Everything is boiled down to a fucking sporting event.

[–]DisDumbNigga 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yes. This is great discussion too....while we bicker between left and right, there are certain flaws that both sides have, flaws we have as Americans as a whole that I wouldn't be aware of unless I had close friends that aren't American

[–]Snazzy_Serval 7 points8 points  (0 children)

On that note. I'm a white American male and I have absolutley no interest in football. I'm not going to watch the game tomorrow.

[–]BreakfastGolem 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Only in America, Germany, Sweden, The UK, Canada, and Australia, basically. It's like a certain kind of people built much of the modern world off the spirit of competition

[–]Grodejar 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Except the entirety of the West is suffering under cultural marxist bullshit that is being parroted by the left. Anyone who promotes leftist philosophy in the modern world is against TRP, period. Cultural marxism is purely designed to undermine traditional social norms and the foundations of our society. You literally cannot believe in left wing politics and also believe in TRP, they are mutually exclusive at this point.

[–]Th3St1g 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Jesus Christ, that sub is awful. Look at the top posts there, people are actually advocating for removing a woman's right to vote. I was for the TRPR until I went and read that nonsense. TRP is about accepting reality and dealing with the circumstances, not about removing the rights of others. They need to call it the TRP alt-right.

[–]frgualidiot 13 points14 points  (0 children)

How on earth can you be red pilled and still think women are capable of voting? They are entirely solipsistic.

[–]rp_newdawn 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Hence why a place for rational discussion would be valuable for personal growth for many of us. I'd love to have my views challenged and my worldview expanded

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Welcome to /r/theredpillright

[–]rp_newdawn 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks brotha, for everything

[–]MurkTwain 56 points57 points  (33 children)

I don't see how supporting Trump has any correlation to being red pill besides the fact that the dude doesn't really give a shit about what others think and does what he wants through use of deceitful tactics that have influence over ignorant people. These may be admirable red pill traits if your life solely revolves around yourself and the ramifications of that are to yourself, but he is an elected public servant and the shit he is doing is destructive as fuck and is not going to end in a more productive society, just one where everyone is way more hostile towards one another. It seems like the red pill should be more resilient and adaptable to changing characteristics in society rather than whoring out to a horseshit joke of a president with a gold digging hooker of a wife. The dudes gonna end up crashing and burning so hard its not even funny. All Trump is doing is making more people in society clever to the type of red pill tactics that tend to work in people's advantage.

[–]MikoLassen 4 points5 points  (23 children)

That is a super fucking dumbed down, simplistic "the-way-I-wanna-see-it" version of reality. GJ dude.

[–]MurkTwain 25 points26 points  (21 children)

Your comment is pathetic, what parts are dumbed down? What aspects do you need further specifics with pansy? Do I really need to go through a list of the policies he's done that only further perpetuate divisiveness and outrage everywhere. Federal judges are blocking his dogshit actions in the public, doesn't give a shit about the environment, his cabinet picks are an outright disgrace, he's fucking over world allies and literally handing power that we once had over to China and Russia through garbage international relations. It would all be fine if he was running a business, you can be cutthroat in that sphere, you can try to fuck people over one by one and degrade them publicly. You can make stupid risks and go bankrupt and get bailed out by the government repeatedly. If you are in charge of a country, and aren't a dictatorship, that doesn't fly. You're a fucking idiot if you think things in the USA are becoming better for males as a result of all this bullshit. All he is doing is further perpetuating women to become extremist feminists and only be more hostile towards men: 3,000,000 women chanting in the streets in unity demanding power.

[–]MikoLassen points points [recovered]

hahaha "pansy", sure dude. Every classical man you'll find respects Trump for his balls and get-shit-done attitude. The pansy here is you.

1.Yes, you have to name the policies that you base your accusations on. Is that news to you? And the fat commie judge trying to go against him (supreme court judge) is but a virtue signalling bitch. The constitution does not apply to non-US citizens. Simple as that.

2.His cabinet picks are his business. If and when their actions make them condemnable feel free to slam him. I'll help you with it. Until then, cut your neoliberal whining.

3.He's fucking over worthless allies like Germany who have done nothing but shit talk him anyways. He's putting America first. And not only is he breaking old ties, he's also creating new alliances in their place. Sorry you wanted a giant pussy as your president who will let people walk all over him. Shoulda been Bernie "I get manhandled by two BLM bitches" Sanders, eh? lol

4."In business you can... and you can... and you can..., but in politics this doesn't work!" Exactly right. That's why his run was a constant display of winning, one victory after another. Because it totally doesn't work that way.

5.I'd rather have 3m dumbasses on the streets than have Hillary in the White House.

[–]1by1is3 6 points7 points  (13 children)

You response is hilarious. I am not even American so I find it pretty amusing that the people who voted for Trump are the people who are going to get extremely fucked by his policies and yet they continue to defend him like the demagogue he is. He just signed an order to repeal/relax the Dodd Frank Act to benefit his friends in the banking industry. The guy said it upfront. This is going to lead to the same practices that caused the 2008 recession that fucked over millions of the lower class in USA.

You say trump is a businessman, sure he is. but he is not the type of businessman that creates value, he is the type who destroys value. Trump became a billionaire by borrowing money to invest in real estate . When he won, he won big. When he lost, his companies declared bankruptcy and started all over again under a new name. This is not the type of businessman that creates value, People like Gates, or Musk or Rockefeller or Carnegie are worthy of respect because they created value to become rich. What has Trump created? Nothing. He is the type of person who is going to take your money and refuse to pay and call it a win. And you will lap it up like the beta you are.

America first? Just wait four years and we will see what he achieves. Something tells me you won't be around by then.

[–]MikoLassen 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Not American. Also Rockefeller is scum. Other than that I am not going to argue with you, but I am at the very least patient enough to see how things go. And as far as your argumentation goes I can find some respect for your level of discourse. Seen the other guy? Just insulted me and avoided naming policies.

[–]1by1is3 5 points6 points  (5 children)

You are calling the most successful businessman in USA scum? The guy single handle brought light to millions of households and made kerosene from one of the more expensive to one of the most cheapest commodities for the masses. That is what a successful businessman looks like. Not a con artist like trump who borrows other people's money to make his fortune and then refuses to pay them back. lol.

There is no argument to be had here, I don't want to waste time proving evolution to a creationist nor arguing economics with a trump worshipper.

[–]MikoLassen 1 point2 points  (4 children)

He's scum No he's not, he's a successful businessman

One does not refute the other.

Well if you're going to reduce me to "Trump worshipper" because I am on his side then fuck you. Fuck you, fuck your smug attitude, fuck your family, fuck your friends, I hope you have fun watching Trump fuck you, hopefully your country and all of your liberal small-dick cocksucker asses. Fuck liberals. Keep being a degenerate. Peace

[–]1by1is3 1 point2 points  (1 child)

LMAO. Someone please call the fire brigade for this guy.

[–]MurkTwain 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Haha look at you collapse again, biggest pussy on this whole subreddit. Go delete all your comments again (like you did with me) because you look like a fucking idiot! Errr liberal errr small dick errr cocksucker asses... you're an absolute disgrace

[–]BreakfastGolem 0 points1 point  (5 children)

It's obvious that you're not American, otherwise you'd know that his "wall street friends" are not only fighting tooth and nail to keep the "restrictions" (that made it nearly impossible for small businesses to get startup loans), they also unanimously supported Clinton.

Look, I know western culture has made this weird dichotomy where everyone thinks they are (or at least wants to be) the underdog. So, despite pretty much every facet of the powers-that-be out of DC proper (thanks to this election) are all very hard left wing. The "global elite bankers", the 1%, or if you prefer fictional analogies; The Empire or Voldemort. They're all against this guy. The ones who push things like feminism. Hyperbole, perhaps, but supporting the other side is vicariously supporting 3rd wave feminism, so... good job?

[–]1by1is3 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Trump himself said that he himself and his friends can no longer borrow money (and obviously usurp it by declaring bankruptcy). This is not a good thing?

What do you also know about the Dodd Frank Act that he is going to repeal? That act ensures that big financial institutions keep in line so that they do not fail again like in 2008 and rely on taxpayer bailout. The act forbids them to make bets on subprime loans again, tightens regulations on making mortgages to people who cannot afford them. Why do you want the financial institutions to lend money to people who are not fiscally responsible? What kind of conservatism is that? What next? Get rid of the SEC? Do you know what you are talking about even? It's complete demagoguery to even suggest all the elite bankers are against this guy. The guy hired Goldman Sachs banker Steven Mnuchin as the Treasury Secretary. So what are you saying about the global elite being against this guy?

I don't believe in 1% vs 99% theory, that's bullshit. But what I do know is that most people do not give a fuck about other people, especially people at the top giving a fuck about people at the bottom. I am one of them at the top, many people I deal with everyday, are the top as them. Most of us only care about making more money including myself. Doesn't matter whether Joe the plumber is getting fucked over in Texas or Liu the plant manager is getting a bonus in China. We also make the best of most situations whether it's Hillary or Trump or Obama in the white house. Law 48: Assume formlessness. These days, business is good and the party is starting at wallstreet

[–]BreakfastGolem 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I'll assume you're not full of shit and humor you, but there's a good chance you're some 19 year old kid LARPING. The problem with Dodd-Frank is the idea that the financial system will implode again. And insisting that banks retain a slice of a mortgage deal will make them more likely to do so: indeed, the reason they did all almost fall over was exactly that they had been retaining slices of those mortgage deals. When the whole musical chairs game came to an end what we actually found was that instead of selling on those securitisations the banks had been warehousing some portion of them. The drop in value is what sent them towards bankruptcy. And given the banks’ gearing or leverage this was exactly the one part of the financial system where we didn’t want this risk to be concentrated. We would, in fact, much prefer that the banks had held no slices of those MBS. That they had all been sold on to pension funds, insurers and so on: to non-leveraged investors in fact.

For it was, undoubtedly, the fall in value of positions financed by huge leverage that really caused the problem. If some part of your bond portfolio drops by 10 or 50% then that’s painful but things do still go on. If you’ve borrowed money up the wazoo to finance a bond portfolio that then drops by 10% then you’re entirely likely to wipe out your capital and be bankrupt. And it’s that latter which was the danger with the banks.

So, the way that I look at this is that it was because the banks were retaining slices of those MBS deals that they all got into problems. Which means, in turn, that of course I regard a rule that banks must retain a slice of any future MBS deals as entirely insane. We’re ensuring that we concentrate risk at the one place that we don’t want it, just where it will be financed in a highly leveraged manner. We would much prefer that the banks retained none of those deals, that they all flowed out to non-leveraged investors.

[–]1by1is3 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Oh lord, thank you for explaining what the term ''leverage'' means, I never knew! /s Who are you trying to teach leverage to dude?

We would much prefer that the banks retained none of those deals, that they all flowed out to non-leveraged investors.

MBS are extremely profitable for the investment banks - Dodd Frank regulates their holdings and mandates them to report on their financial health. With it removed, what is there to stop Banks from speculating and repackaging MBS into worthless securities again? Not much.

What alternative type of regulations are you suggesting to ban investment banks from holding MBS and divert those securities to pension funds? Because without Dodd Frank, there are none.

So, the way that I look at this is that it was because the banks were retaining slices of those MBS deals that they all got into problems. Which means, in turn, that of course I regard a rule that banks must retain a slice of any future MBS deals as entirely insane.

No the problem is lending money to people who cannot afford a mortgage. Lending money to people who cannot afford a car. These ''securities'' are packaged and repackaged and sold and resold in the secondary market at inflated values. When the underlying asset that's toxic goes bust, the whole system collapses again.

So here is what you should explain:

What regulation or government action are you proposing to make it illegal for investment banks to buy MBS through leverage?

Because without any government action here, it's not clear how your stated objective would ''just happen''.

[–]MurkTwain points points [recovered]

You are a pansy, your bent over waiting to get fucked by Trump like the rest of the bible pinching idiots that want that disgrace of a human being as the face of our country.

Trump doesn't have balls, he's failing like a clown right now. His executive orders are fluffy bullshit used to satisfy his tobacco cheeked meth head base in Arkansas. All of the shit he is signing is useless and completely needs to be drafted by congress, it's a tactic to make idiots like yourself think he's getting shit done but in fact it's nothing but a cover for doing shit like deregulating wall street and filling his friends pockets with cash.

  1. That "commie federal judge" was appointed by George Bush and unanimously passed with senate approval.

  2. His cabinet picks are OUR business idiot.

  3. You literally sound retarded in this one, not even worthy of a response. You obviously don't understand how economics works.

  4. Pointless and worthless, not worthy of a response.

  5. That's your opinion, cool.. Completely worthless comment.

[–]Modredpillschool[S,M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Both of you need to find a way to be constructive with debate.

[–]MikoLassen points points [recovered]

1.How does that change the nature of her actions? Or did you assume I called her 'commie bitch' because she's a member of the communist party? lol

2.They haven't even done anything yet and yet you're moaning like a bitch already. No logic, all feelings. Be patient.

3.Typical lefty. Great arguments bro, where'd you learn to debate like that?

4.He has beaten the odds more than once, even more than twice. If it works, it works. You don't get to judge what works, it's success that decides. A bystander doesn't decide what award-winning attitude is, an award winner does.

5.What the fuck is your deal? You haven't made one single argument other than "Trump is shit and so are his supporters" and "the judge was appointed by George W. Bush".

If all you wanna do is say how you're smart and the rest is dumb, why'd you come here for discourse anyways if you're not interested in discourse?

Are you literally too dumb to make actual arguments?

[–]MurkTwain points points [recovered]

Haha you're literally the most retarded person i've met on here, it's really refreshing to have the stereotype reinforced that Trump supporters are little brown nosing bitches that can't think for themselves. You're a little pussy, and you let Trump fuck you mercilessly because you're stupid and fell for generalized worthless tropes. Have fun watching all your cherished presidents bullshit continue to fall flat by people that are actually intelligent, like federal judges (he's a guy by the way). It was fun reading how upset and mad you are, you're such a sensitive little bitch, no stamina! Weak!

[–]Modredpillschool[S,M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Both of you need to find a way to be constructive with debate.

[–]BreakfastGolem 1 point2 points  (8 children)

Ignorant people getting duped by (paraphrased) con-men using deceitful tactics on people with room temperature IQs? You just described everyone who supported Bernie or Hillary, believes the establishment media, and/or thinks Donald Trump is racist.

[–]MurkTwain 7 points8 points  (7 children)

Just face the facts, your lord and savior Trump used you to fulfill a profit driven, completely fucked agenda. Look at his cabinet picks, he chose a dude suing the EPA, that doesn't believe in environmental protection, to be head of the EPA. He chose a dumb whore who doesn't even know about public education policy to be the head of the department of education. He chose a goldman sachs executive to run the treasury. He chose a doctor to run the department of urban development. The dude is either mentally retarded or just trying to fuck our government up systematically. All the shit you are talking about are what he fed you and other uninformed americans to rile you up and continue to support his fat ass despite the fact he's blatantly corrupt. This country is a dumpster fire right now, embarrassing as fuck to say the least if you give even the slightest shit about the way the rest of the world perceives us. We are a laughing stock, a joke on their evening news. Have fun brainwashing yourself that the only right news is Trumps and Breitbart, treat yourself to a healthy dose of ignorance.

[–]BreakfastGolem 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Just face the facts, your lord and savior Trump used you to fulfill a profit driven, completely fucked agenda.

You're confusing him with the lady that lost, and the guy that lost to her. Part of the Red Pill is reading up on things. Try it.

Look at his cabinet picks, he chose a dude suing the EPA, that doesn't believe in environmental protection, to be head of the EPA.

I'm dying to know what you thought about McCarthy. Yeah, the lady you just had to Google.

He chose a dumb whore who doesn't even know about public education policy to be the head of the department of education.

Same thing as above, I'm curious to know what you thought about Duncan. I can tell you don't know how the education system works, and just believe whatever Facebook headlines are saying.

He chose a goldman sachs executive to run the treasury. He chose a doctor to run the department of urban development.

Oh, I got it now. You're probably like 19-23 and spent your developmental years getting brainwashed into right wing=bad, no reason to scrutinize the left. Clinton's cabinet was going to be entirely bankers. Obama's cabinet was 100% chosen by Wall Street. Were you furious in 2008, too?

The dude is either mentally retarded or just trying to fuck our government up systematically.

You're obviously severely uniformed, or ignorant. I suggest getting news outside of Facebook, reddit, and CNN.

All the shit you are talking about are what he fed you and other uninformed americans to rile you up and continue to support his fat ass despite the fact he's blatantly corrupt.

You're projecting your weak willed indoctrination into the Democratic cult. I'm assuming you were a BernBeta.

This country is a dumpster fire right now,

Thanks, Democrats, you made it this way over the past decade.

embarrassing as fuck to say the least if you give even the slightest shit about the way the rest of the world perceives us. We are a laughing stock, a joke on their evening news.

Ahhh, there it is. You're very invested in the opinions of others. Classic blue pill behavior

Have fun brainwashing yourself that the only right news is Trumps and Breitbart, treat yourself to a healthy dose of ignorance.

You're being duped by the system, I know because the system's media told me! You should probably research who owns your god CNN

[–]MurkTwain 1 point2 points  (5 children)

i skimmed through your rant. You do not know how to reinforce yourself with facts, rather you sway or use obama or a broad statement of something being blue pill as a scapegoat for addressing the true issues. It's weak peasant shit, and not worthy of my time addressing your repetitive trump twitter garbage you are trying to reconvey. You're not worth the time.

[–]BreakfastGolem 3 points4 points  (4 children)

More proof you're indoctrinated. You believe the mainstream media, the same one that shills feminism, and you mindlessly bark their talking points. When asked to give opinions on people who the media was silent ob, you have nothing.

They weren't silent because these people were perfect.

You're right, it's not worth your time to keep embarrassing yourself abd exposing how blue pilled you are to yourself. The average male ego in an average "man" like yourself, combined with cognitive dissonance, can be painful. I understand. I wish you the best.

[–]MurkTwain 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Haha sure bud. I pity you. You are on your knees sucking up all Trumps bullshit like his little slut. I get it, you don't believe in mainstream media, that's cool dude, i'm sure the shit you read in the gutters of the internet is enormously more fact driven and non biased haha. I honestly tend to look at the primary information that is being released by Trump, and watch his desperate and pathetic press secretary struggle to make sense of the presidents actions. Are white house press meetings mainstream media big guy? i suggest you step back and take a look at things non-partially and really consider whether it is good for the concept of creating a civil society. You know, one where elected officials aren't trying to create societal unravel. It's funny that you call me a shill, you're acting like such a passive little pussy just blindly supporting a leader. You sure know how to fall in line, like a little beta pansy, supporting your pathetic leader blindly. You are so sucked into insecurities on your under-abundance that you actually believe Trump is your beacon of how a true leader should act. Go bitch about mainstream media some more you pussy, lapp up some more reasons to think your not getting railed for populist support for Trump while he makes a fool of you and profiteers off his status.

[–]MikoLassen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mhh, yeah taste that big right-wing dick. Mhhh, fits right into your lefty vagina garblegarblegarblegarble

[–]BreakfastGolem 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Do you usually get this butthurt about words on a screen, my dude?

[–]MurkTwain 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Haha i'm in great spirits, your ignorance and passivity is really amusing to me. I enjoy it.

[–]En-Zu 27 points28 points  (11 children)

I think the Left is generally just seen as being more accomodating to feminism and sjwing (because it is) which this sub is kind of opposed to and that's why it attracts so many right wing folks.

But I'm left wing and I don't particurly care about the sjw movement. It doesn't faze me. And that's really one way to fish out the conservative and liberal posters on this thread. The Liberal TRP perspective is more "Shrug that's just the way women are I'm glad that its in the open." Whereas the conservatives are more likely to want to go back to the Old World where policies were in place to make the BP strategy work and repress female hypergamy and sexual strategy.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (10 children)

What are your Left leaning views?

[–]En-Zu 22 points23 points  (9 children)

Just as a general summary I believe that climate change exists and its imperative that we act to mitigate it and pressure others to do the same.

I'm socially libertarian which means I think that the govt should not interfere with personal lives and decisions as long as they don't harm others.

I think that foetus's don't count morally as persons so I'm pro choice.

I think preventative measures to cut negative behaviors are more effective or at least similarly effective as punitive ones. Meaning that I think people can be encouraged by govt policy to do better for themselves (so like better mental health care and rehab for drug offenders and not so much jail time).

I also think that one of the federal govt's main functions is to regulate private industry and ensure that its products are ethically produced (no child labor etc) and safe for consumption. Industry self regulation does not work.

These views put me firmly in the left even though I split from the party line on gun control and the social safety net & affirmative action (And also the utility of identity politics) these are minor issues that ultimately boil down to superficial differences in tone and strategy.

[–]Hjalmbere 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Does being pro-choice and believing that climate change is man-made make you a leftie in the US? To be a leftie in Western Europe usually meant you were a socialist/social democrat and supported high taxes, less free trade, and more state intervention in the economy. To be right wing meant that you wanted less tax, more free trade, less state intervention, and more cops on the beat.

Nowadays the extreme left in Western Europe has switched focus from socialism to intersectionalism (identity politics a.k.a. white men should shut up and listen) and 3rd wave feminism. The more centre-left parties and old school fiscal conservative parties are losing ground to populist/nationalist movements since their support for the EU is associated with economic stagnation, Islamization and third world immigration.

[–]En-Zu 9 points10 points  (5 children)

Yes. The normal political axis is shifted to the Right in the U.S. our center left politicians like Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton would line up well with most conservative European politicians. They are not populist at all and support free trade and pro-business reforms.

As far as taxes go in the U.S. the conservatives put more of an emphasis on cutting taxes but in real terms both parties cut and raise taxes as much as the others. The conservatives just put on a better show about it by cutting small scale programs like the Endowment for the Arts and Planned Parenthood which is usually just an excuse to take funding from social causes they dislike and doesnt actually save much money.

In summation the two political parties in the U.S. are mirrors of one another for the most part policy-wise and only superficially diverge on the "culture wars." Panem and Circenses. Conservatives are for more "States Rights" and a less federated govt but that has been dog whistle politics for social regression since forever. They are quite content to stay federated on all topics that don't relate to the culture wars.

DT and Bernie Sanders are of course an exception to this for the most part as they're populist. DT ran on an anti-corporate and anti free trade platform but DT thusfar seems to be deferring to Mike Pence and Steve Bannon though so he mostly toes the party line and will be more or less the same imo.

[–]Hjalmbere 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Are Bannon and the Breitbart-gang just focusing on cultural issues and not really interested in the bigger picture would you say?

Also, Trump does seem to intend to stick it to China, but what happens when this doesn't result in US jobs? I find it hard to believe that white blue collar voters will ever vote for Sanders due to him cozying up to feminists and BLM.

[–]En-Zu 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I can't give a definitive answer on their agenda. It certainly seems like that is their focus though but, since those are always high profile and controversial they could be using them as a distraction while pushing other legislation through. I know that Trump wants to eliminate the Dodd-Frank act (which imo is a terrible idea) it was put in place after the financial collapse of 2008 to make sure it didn't happen again. The keystone XL pipeline skirts the line between social and economic but that's another high profile thing I'm aware of. I have to admit I haven't been following them as close as I should be because the constant Trump saturation is overwhelming and I've been needing a break haha.

Also Bernie polled really well in the Rust Belt while Clinton did not. Blue collar workers there seem to mainly swayed by populist approaches to trade issues which Bernie and Trump shared. Many of those states usually go Democrat (Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc) but they didn't this year for that reason and that's why Clinton lost the election.

The primary process that the Democrats employ really screwed the elect-ability of their candidate this year. Hilary Clinton was chosen over Bernie because she polled phenomenally well in states that just do not matter for Democrats i.e. Alabama, Louisiana, Mississipi, Georgia. Places that essentially always go Republican and so don't matter for Democrats in the General Election. Whereas Bernie did better in the Rust Belt and "battleground" states. Clinton polled slightly better in Democratic holdfasts like California and New York but in the General Election they're not going to switch to the Republican side. There's a strong case for Bernie winning the presidency or at least being a stronger candidate than Hilary Clinton this time around.

Edit: Also you made me laugh with that thing about Sanders cozying up to feminists. Bernie was decidedly less "feminist" than his opponent this cycle just by default of his gender and his followers even got lampooned with the "Bernie Bros" moniker by Clinton spin doctors.

[–]Hjalmbere 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Sanders subscribed to the mythical gender paygap, but apparently didn't self-identify as a feminist. So I guess you're right.

One of the most cringeworthy moments of the entire election was when his speech was hijacked by two incredibly stupid BLM activists. He just stood there.

[–]En-Zu 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yes the BLM antagonism towards Sanders was surreal. It's not a unitary movement, but the definitely discredited themselves on that front. It was completely illogical to oppose Sanders. He has been nothing but stellar on his civil rights record. He even had past activism under his belt and they somehow even managed to subvert that and use it against him. The propaganda machine is strong.

[–]sonder_one -1 points0 points  (1 child)

You are not actually left-wing. You're just misinformed as to the real left/right split.

[–]En-Zu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Inform me then.

I'm sympathetic to Libertarians but ideologically don't see how the "invisible hand" can account for problems like the Tragedy of the Commons. Also I don't particularly mind the state blunting market forces for public goods like the National Park Service etc.

[–]caleyjag points points [recovered]

Well said. Not all of us are yanks.

[–]Matharon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

In all likelihood, your socialist policies work quite well because America (in one way or another) funds your defense.

[–]DAVE437 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. it seems not enough people realize this when they are congratulating Northern Europe and Western Europe on how great there socialize paradise is.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which country would that be?

[–]nunyabinness -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

Which glorious workers paradise would that be? Have you ever signed the front of a paycheck?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Hahaha. Socialist policies work when the country is small enough to be a tribe.

Also, it should be said, you can have socialism and safety nets, or you can have open borders. But not both.

[–]nunyabinness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to get paid.

[–]secretmonkeyassassin 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Right wing conservatives are often guilty of denying the obvious realities of science, when it doesn't fit their narrative (climate change, for example). Which is pretty much the epitome of Blue Pill.

Maybe there should be a 'Red Pill Left' as well

[–]BreakfastGolem 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The left unanimously supports the emasculation of men, 3rd wave feminism, and the chase of decadence vs struggle. Left wing and blue pill are irrefutably synonymous in every conceivable way.

[–]sonder_one 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're straw manning. Almost nobody anywhere denies that humans influence the climate in some way. We just disagree on the extent and, more significantly, whether certain proposed remedies are good ideas. The Left tends to use climate change alarmism as an excuse to impose socialism, which is what the Right actually opposes.

It's much like how feminism says that we NEED their divorce laws, and if you disagree, you want women to be treated like property.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You realize that neo-conservatives aren't the only right wingers, don't you? Have you ever heard of libertarians?

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 5 points6 points  (1 child)

You can be a Reagan Democrat and even a European Lefty but it seems most of the left in the U.S. today is pure Marxist/Feminist. I think you have to be Marx himself, or Lenin to pull off the schizophrenia of being both Red Pill and Marxist.

[–]DaVinciNinja 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Lefty red-pill realist here! I'm not a marxist, however, but do identify as a liberal leftist (just not far left). I'll be happy to answer questions and put some negative sentiments to rest.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is a big must-do in the evolution of TRP. There are some really idiotic and unrealistic policies and positions on the right AND the left. This community has a really hard time taking any criticism against the politics of the right and is probably too willing to dismiss those on the left.

[–]sonder_one 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You need to have a very shallow understanding of Leftism to believe that it's compatible with TRP.

[–]harkrank points points [recovered]

I've yet to heard of a left leaning person in this century who wants the means of production to be the property of the workers.

There is a reason left-leaners are given the blind eye, most of them are beyond any kind of reason. Even if an enlightened person knows politics are far beyond left and right, at least there is good hope for the right-leaning person and therefore reason to engage in conversation.

[–]ForgingFakes 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Please continue. I'm intrigued

[–]sonder_one 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The free market puts the means of production in the hands of the workers. You own your own life and labor! Marxism puts control in the hands of authoritarian elites.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 1 point2 points  (3 children)

As long as you conduct yourself with the calm rationality and courtesy, you should find Red Right receptive to your ideas.

Lord knows the left appears conspicuously devoid of rational adults capable of reasoned discourse because screaming children are all anyone ever sees.

[–]nunyabinness 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Didn't you know that ad hominems have more power to sway opinions the louder they are shrieked?

[–]Snazzy_Serval 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Red Right

Hey, now you have a place to scream your hate of liberals.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's right, let it all out.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

For same reasons being seen as Right-Leaning now equates to being a Neo-Nazi.

The most radical of a group is often the most seen, most exposed and most talked about... Atleast by other groups.

That said, perhaps creating a post over at the new sub to point out what makes Left good would be a great way to explain your views.

Personally, I hate safety nets and "equality" which is one of the biggest reasons I lean more right.

I do believe in equal opportunity however.

[–]forgotmyothernames points points [recovered]

you dont think inequality has an effect on opportunity?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Is an equal result truly equal opportunity? Should companies have to hire 15% Indians cause diversity? I believe in a meritocracy as that is true equal opportunity. I am fine with funding to schools but not diversity quotas.

[–]forgotmyothernames points points [recovered]

you have to establish equal opportunity before you establish a meritocracy

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It does not have to be perfect, education is where the policies should be directed at. Diversity quotas simply cover up a problem and claim there is progress, without there actually being any progress. That is what "equality" is. Simple, easy, and even thoughtless, feel good solutions to problems at the core of society.

My most left leaning view would probably be Socialism... With regards to education after highschool.

[–]thomasahle 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Red Pill Left would be very interesting.

  • How men and women can have an egalitarian, but honest relationship.

  • How we can hold some values to be better than others, but still be progressive and change our values based on discussion and experiments.

  • How we can freely discuss every topic, but without falling for the trap of biggotry.

  • How society can be used to create a more fair society, but not in a way that holds anyone back.

  • Whether dominance and social hierarchies make all human interaction a zero-sum game, or if we can help every individual be stronger and more asserting.

Something like that. It is certainly an intersection of communities that is underrepresented.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just wanted to say that you're awesome <3. -siikdude :)

[–]DreamGrl8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Isn't part of being redpill not giving a fuck about whether or not Internet strangers consider you "redpill" (especially if due to differing political beliefs)? Not a rhetorical question; I honestly am curious.

Some thoughts why you should give a fuck:

  1. If people in the community hate on you for your political beliefs and cause arguments, then that is counter-productive.

  2. We have an evolutionary urge to be part of a "tribe"; but do those group-mentality benefits pay any dividends in an Internet forum? - I think it would be different if you were involved with an RP group IRL.

  3. Nothing wrong with wanting people to see the truth - even when it comes to politics - seeing the truth is at the core of The Red Pill after all.

Thoughts for not giving a fuck:

  1. The whole notion of "Liberal", "Left", "Right", "Democrat", "Republican", etc. are labels that one shouldn't be conforming to anyway if they are a true free thinker. Too many issues are way too nuanced to pledge allegiance to a group that will make these decisions for you. It is especially silly considering one could lean left on many social issues and lean right on many financial issues - which I imagine many redpillers do.

  2. Isn't this whole notion of Red Pill Right surprising in general? I would expect independent thinkers to be libertarians (small L) or independents quite frankly. What politicians can you think of that are good Red Pill role models? (honest question not rhetorical). I feel like those in power just seem completely unrelatable and very few politicians are the people who I'd actually want representing me if I could choose from anyone.

  3. Fuck the powers that be! I mean right guys, uhm right guys?

  4. Is politics worth any time? I mean what's the point - feels like a helpless distraction. Just focus on yourself.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

When you want Hillary as your representative it does.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children)

The way I see it; the American left is a feminist hen house and the right is taking a feminist hen house seriously. The most masculine political leaning, IMO, is Communism, which is much further left than the left.

Native American of the Pacific Northwest the man accorded the greatest prestige was the one who, at the annual Potlatch ceremony, gave the most away! He gave away the most salmon, the most honey, the most furs, and he gave away the most prayers; for everyone understood a real man could always get more of what people needed and therefore he had no need to hoard any of it! This is masculine thinking.

-What Men Know That Women Don't Rich Zubaty

I love this place for it's unrivaled romantic advice, but the political stance here is largely misguided.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Marx wanted to dismantle the family unit because he believed it was a patriarchal tool invented by the bourgeoise to keep women in slaves and pass property to their children to maintain class divide. Communism is incredibly blue pill.

[–]3242323523 points points [recovered]

Communism attracts poly-fanatic castrates because they think that they may get laid without a family unit. Conservatism attracts BP weirdo's too because they think they can't get laid without a family unit. I'm not such a fool to think that because some conservatives are BP, all are. Why do you assume that Communism is only for BP thinking? Do you think you need a family unit to get laid?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Apparently you missed the point. Communists view the family unit as a patriarchal construct designed to keep women in bondage. Feminism is their solution to dismantling the patriarchy/family. Feminism is inherently anti red pill.

Share your possessions, share your bread, and share your girlfriend. Communism is blue pill cuckoldry hiding behind a political agenda.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The family unit is a patriarchal construct designed to keep women in bondage. Wives were literally purchased from the father, and then they took the name of the father of their new family.

You're missing my point. RP belief, that she isn't yours, it's just your turn, is the same thing from a masculine perspective. It acknowledges that the family unit is inherently a BP effort to control women and it does not, at all, have to imply that you are sharing your girlfriend.

I don't assume that you are a cuckold for being conservative and giving a girl all of your resources to bang her, don't assume that I'm a cuckold for not giving a shit if the tool you use to do that is absolved.

[–]a_nus points points [recovered]

I feel like I'm the one who's insane these days by agreen with some republican points, some democrat points, and not all of TRP's points. Seems like everyone is tilted to an extreme now.

[–]jtzabor -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

sounds like your a libertarian?

[–]Senior Contributoradam-l 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Your nation is not your tribe.

Humans have tribal behavior hard-wired in them. They exhibit it, even today. But today there are no tribes. So, these kind of behaviors are problematic, in that they expose people to manipulation.

A tribe, as was the case in our evolutionary past, is a closely knit band of people, numbering no more than 150, with whom you normally spent all of your life together. The crucial characteristic of the tribe is that you got to know everyone, and every connection between every two members of the tribe. What this all comes down to is that there is not much space for deceit in a tribe.

People still exhibiting tribal behavior is the reason why modern rulers think of "the people" as gullible, idiotic sheep. That's the curse of societies, since the Agricultural Revolution which changed the social scale. Relying on your tribal, hardwired expectations about social ties does not work - we need to rely on rational thought and analysis, much-much more than we were intended to.

Therefore, I think that attempts to draw parallels between nationalism and tribalism are mislead and misleading. There is absolutely no ground today for considering nations as "tribes". If reverence for the female has been one core pillar for modern society, national identity has been the other. There is disillusionment in TRP about the first, but imo we are still quite far from a disillusionment from the second.

[–]StudntRdyTeachrApear 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Are the soon to be 12 billion people on earth, a majority of which will be low IQ and in strife over resources, capable of unifying under the unnatural and extremely challenging task of applying reason in their daily life? If not, what is the savior? ASI? Actual, implementable post-scarcity? I'm not being facetious, I am being serious. I know far too many people who have internalized the hope for AI as their fallback for dealing with humanities moral conflicts as early as 2030. My prediction is that such notions are tirelessly naive, and increasingly alarming given current trends.

Posts like yours are encouraging for those that seek out the denial of their primitive inclinations, but what of those who do not? What is the solution for the overwhelming majority of human beings on our planet that do not share, or are not capable of embracing rational thought? What of those who will continually seek to collect and advance their identitarian causes, making ground against those who choose not to play?

It seems to me that identitarianism is inevitable not only because it is natural, but because it has literally been encouraged and advanced to the point where many feel western culture is on the precipice of a war over its dominant identity. There are those who willingly neglect a sense of ethnic, or racial pride, because for a time, it no longer served as a benefit. Clearly, that time seems challenged, and perhaps even passing us entirely.

Your comment is predicated on comfortable falsehoods, that tribes are no longer relevant, that they are a divisive facade. They are very real, it seems, and they are currently some the most powerful political forces in the truly multi-cultural, multi-racial societies us information age forum users are all living in. I suppose then I'm asking you, how does one get away with not playing the tribal game as we advance in the coming years? IMO, I only see it getting worse.

Edit: Wording

[–]Senior Contributoradam-l 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Personal development has parallels with the development of societies. Tribalism and identitarianism is more useful for children, undeveloped individuals, and women (women all belong to the world-wide female "tribe"). The more one is self-actualized, the less the need for identitarianism.

If you are asking how to reverse the global trend towards nationalism, which is based partly on tribal instincts, it's a valid question with no easy answer.

If you are asking about the position of a single man regarding tribalism, I would say that a man chooses his roots, and chooses, or creates his tribe. Not only you are not obligated to choose between two evils, e.g. asian vs anglo-saxon tribalism, but I would say that rational men in each side have a responsibility to underline the absurdity of the nationalism of "their own" side.

[–]sir_wankalot_here 35 points36 points  (17 children)

But that doesn't mean there isn't something to know about politics.

Politics doesn't mean sticking your vote in a ballot box every X years. Politics is about influencing change in government but most of the change does not happen directly by voting.

I think I've been lacking in my life during the USA election cycle this past year.

Modern western democracies have been reduced to cheering for your favorite sports teams. After your team wins or losing, you disappear out of the picture for 4 years.

The Red Pill has been instrumental in helping myself and others find sanity in the world of sex and women, but there is no such guiding light for me in politics.

Feminism isn't just about equal rights for women, it also is about what it means to be a woman. The second part is what most people, especially men miss.

The Manosphere, usually it is defined as MGTOW, TRP etc is about what is a male identity. The feminists have had 75+ years to think about what is a female identity, there is a range of thought in feminism. Men are lacking that.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 24 points25 points  (8 children)

Politics doesn't mean sticking your vote in a ballot box every X years. Politics is about influencing change in government but most of the change does not happen directly by voting.

The average American wallet has far more power than the average American voter.

[–]sir_wankalot_here 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The average American wallet has far more power than the average American voter.

Exactly, same everywhere.

[–]Ovadox 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I wish people would consider this with respect to jobs. They're mad all the jobs went to China but are happy to load up their cart with foreign made crap. The Donald says it's all the fault of other countries and in electing him people received absolution of guilt from the problem they helped create. You get the economy you pay for.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You get the economy you BORROW for.

Slight adjustment.

And who are the biggest consumers of these goods? Women. And remember, nothing is ever their fault. No guilt to be had.

[–]Ovadox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Putting it all off on women is something a woman would do. Instead of just blaming them, figure out ways to do a better job of supporting US production. Check labels, comparison shop online, send letters to retailers and producers letting them know you want more US made options, etc. If the women in your life see it is important to o you, and you are high value/alpha in their eyes they will follow your lead.

[–]juliusstreicher -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Wrong. This is the kind of talk that got us to where we are today.

We trust elected officials, and we vote for them. Then, as we saw in the 2016 election's massive anti-Trump Republican groupings, the legislators have interests that conflict with the interests of the voters. We voted for a government that was advertised, and we got the ol' bait and switch.

[–]Ovadox 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm not saying that politicians don't play a role in the problem. They certainly do and you are right to point that out. However, as I said, regular people and the choices they make when shopping have a huge impact and when I bring it up, people almost always deflect blame onto something else. Have enough fucking balls to critically evaluate your own behavior. Are you that afraid that some self-reflection will show you made a mistake? Is your ego that fragile? Just own it, figure out what you need to change and make it happen.

[–]juliusstreicher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can go with you part of the way, but, it is a fact that we are paying for politicians' billion dollar Foundations, and we don't know why, if we are even aware of it at all. Our reflection is worthless if there are too many treaties, laws and regulations in place.

[–]2niczar 8 points9 points  (6 children)

The problem with modern democracies is elections. People believe it's quasi synonymous with democracy, but it's not. Selection by lot (like for juries) would be an alternative, and one that would not systematically favor narcissists/psychopaths.

[–]Kalepsis 4 points5 points  (3 children)

The system that Maine instituted works extremely well.

[–]2niczar 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Not familiar with this, can you explain?

[–]logicalthinker1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I believe he's referring to the idea that instead of just voting for one person, you rank your choices. Many people don't want to "throw their vote away" and vote for someone with no chance to win, even if they agree with them on more things. If you list your choices in order of who you prefer, then you can vote your conscious and still make sure you aren't throwing it away.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/03/us/maine-ranked-choice-voting.html

[–]2popthatpill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Australia uses it, it doesn't make much difference to the quality of governance. If anything, Australia is worse-run than the other English speaking countries with plurality voting in single-member electorates (UK, US, Canada).

[–]1nzgs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No the problem with democracy is democracy. I think Americans should spend more time reading the essays of their founding fathers who had contempt for the idea of direct democracy; it is mob rule. The more pure you make a democracy, the more tyrannical it becomes. America is a republic, not a democracy, and Americans who forget that are profoundly anti-American. These attempts to implement european-style democratic voting systems will result in bringing in the worse kinds of politicians.

[–]Pomandres 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Red Pill has entered our culture's vernacular and is used unironically to reference pulling back the curtain on any philosophy and discover the secret inner workings.

 

The Red Pill has been instrumental in helping myself and others find sanity in the world of sex and women, but there is no such guiding light for me in politics.

 

There are yet more veils to pierce.

[–]Katavasis 7 points8 points  (5 children)

I see the potential value.

But why the Red Pill Right ? Right is a political spectrum that is different from country to country.

I can see why you want to 'secure' this name,but this could limit the discussions and drive off real debates.

I would cetrainly enjoy this sub,but i seriously hope it will be tolerant to ideas and discussions,since it's in its early stages.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Because we're correct.

Lol.

No but seriously, most here lean right. I debated using a neutral term but the fact is, the red pill right is already being used in the media. Time for us to put a saddle on it.

[–]Katavasis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well,this will surely protects TRP from getting highjacked by a political party.

Still,i hope we discuss politics with an open mind.Time will tell!

[–]Summertime_Dimes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How can you acknowledge a vast conspiracy whereby men are misled into believing things about women, and yet refuse to even consider the existence of a nefarious group behind the conspiracy?

[–]1nzgs 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You make it seem like TRP is banning/silencing anyone remotely left-wing. Don't make yourself into a victim when you are not one, just because your argument is weak.

If a leftist on here believes that they can align a belief in social equality-of-outcomes with TRP's tenet of the 80-20 rule and male competition then it only shows that they don't understand TRP. They are free to express their belief and others are free to criticise them. Censorship is the tool of the weak and ignorant.

[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS 26 points27 points  (1 child)

a fresh place to discuss politics with a serious tone rather than the memes and rage porn of the_donald.

Such great news! I'm not a Trump or Republican fan, nor was I a Hillary fan, especially the closer to the election we got. I honestly tried to follow The_Donald, but the takeaway was just a giant circlejerk only a True Believer could love. Another day, another poorly drawn Pepe meme with thousands of upvotes, the Trump Train has reached 80% of c (speed of light), and The Wall is another 10 feet taller, touching the orbit of Neptune. Very low-bandwidth, low signal, high noise.

Trying to have a serious discussion there was like discussing politics with the denizens of my Mom's retirement village. You never get to touch upon subjects like supply-side economics and the Laffer curve; fail to nod and agree and people are red-face screaming at you to get out of the country if you don't like it. Attempting to discuss a cost-benefit analysis of the border wall got me, "There is no cost-benefit analysis you CUCK!"

I'm also a serious believer that Left-Right politics is a Blue Pill game, that makes enemies of allies and serves masters other than ourselves by keeping the masses fighting among themselves instead of consolidating into a serious threat to the problematic status quo.

Looking forward to having a place to have serious technical discussions about the intersection of TRP and politics. Thanks, RPS! Edit:Remove Link

[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi 11 points12 points  (2 children)

MIlo is just the target du jour of the moment. No one wants to discuss his points or his topics, but he make the perfect effigy for rage. Gavin McGuiness is a close second.

[–]Newreddawn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have to wonder if he even prepares speeches anymore. The publicity he gets from being denied the ability to speak has worked miracles for his book sales.

Their points won't be ignored forever, though. I'm still absolutely astonished that there isn't more introspection within the ranks of a party that just lost control of all 3 branches (and both houses) of government.

[–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's just a proxy for Trump to most of these idiots protesting him. They have no idea who he is or what his personal opinions are on anything. I'll bet a lot of them don't even know that he is gay or Jewish. They just care that he is a vocal supporter of Trump.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 5 points6 points  (0 children)

 

We do more to change politics by "Killing the Beta" and "Enjoying the Destruction" of the Blue Pill mythology that you can debating at the superficial level.

The root problem with Western culture is that it has been dumbed down in order to push the world towards a globalist system.

The phony debates operate at a low mental "vibration" for lack of a better word.

We really only benefit humanity by benefiting our own improvement.

 

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 19 points20 points  (17 children)

How are you going to differentiate the Red Pill Right from the Alt Right? Because when you start discussing things like nationalism and tribalism discussion on topics like Race and The Jews isn't far behind. As we all know that kind of thing tends to get banned on Reddit.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 11 points12 points  (5 children)

Easy. The same way TheRedPill has outlasted everybody's expectations.

We're smarter than your average redditor. We know better than to start delving into racist nonsense.

There's a difference between recognizing voting and economic blocks, and blaming Jews for everything. One of those won't be tolerated.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I am very very worried that it is going to devolve into an alt-right haven. The last thing we need is the media associating us with them. We need to do what we can to keep the fascist scum out of there so we can keep the discussion focused on TRP, free markets, and Liberty.

[–]Summertime_Dimes 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The media already thinks your a nazi based on your views towards women. What are you worried about exactly?

[–]1nzgs 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Your equating "alt-right" with fascism is disturbing; it is a far-left narrative. The "alt right" really is nothing more than the internet generation who lean right but reject the establishment. Most people behind Milo and co are regular conservatives and libertarians. The media have already linked this place to fascism. In case you haven't realised by now, everyone posting on here is a fascist nazi rapist according to the mainstream media. Think for yourself a bit.

If you want to see the fascists just look at the masked thugs attacking people and starting riots. The fascists were originally paramilitary socialists after-all.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If we were at risk for that, TRP already would be. We keep it at bay.

[–]Tie5o11 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I think this sub could be effective if it is mature enough to police its own ranks. Everyone knows that extremists are its own worst enemies. White nationalists like Richard Spencer and his sheep who Nazi salute after Trump wins do far more to help the left and undermine the right than any average activist or protest. If the sub caves to the pressure of those extremists, and does not defend against that flank, then yes, 'The Red Pill Right' is going to be a great Trojan horse for forces who ultimately want to shut down TRP. It will give them endless ammo in their arsenal to label the entire TRP as an extreme racist / sexist / whateverist community.

If The Red Pill Right becomes a venue where like-minded man can discuss poltiics, and weed out the Richard Spencer types, then I think it can be a great sub.

TLDR; Dont f**k it up, RedPillSchool

[–]1nzgs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They already have that ammo. This place has been on standby for shutdown for ages. Doesn't matter how well it is policed and modded, they have already decided that non-blue-pill thought is hate speech.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 3 points4 points  (7 children)

The Alt Right Sub was banned a couple of days ago. To describe it in a couple of sentences, it's a less intellectual version of Dark Enlightenment topics that the Conspiracy sub doesnt dare touch: Race, Jews, nationalism, Migrants/Rapefugees, and women to a degree.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 22 points23 points  (6 children)

The danger is that the new sub will attract the AltRight exodus. Soon they'll start posting things on race and Jews then Reddit will ban The Red Pill Politics and after that just ban The Red Pill.

When Reddit gets the call "OY Vey Shut it Down" They shut it down.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Whatever. Bring it on reddit.

[–]xddm2653 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Better than being on the opposite end.

[–]PaulAJK 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Milo makes otherwise fairly sensible liberals totally fucking deranged. People call him a fascist and a white nationalist, when he's obviously neither. It's quite an eye-opener.

Anyway, yeah, it's good to set up your own political sub. My main feeling about the alt/new right is they're good at diagnosing problems, but many of their solutions suck. Still waaay better than tradcons though

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 11 points12 points  (1 child)

People call him a fascist and a white nationalist

They are also calling him a Nazi, which to me as a German, and former member of the AntiFa in the late 80s, is rather unsettling. I have been brought up with the constant reminder of what my ancestors did, although they really didn't, since my father is too young and both my grandfathers were simple footsoldiers with one of them even ending up as a POW with a bullet shot through his arm in Ukraine at the ripe age of 17.

Also comparing Trump to Hitler might be one of the most retarded things the left could come up with. Seriously. WTF? I am not a Trump fan and I do not believe that you end up in places like the one he is by being a decent human being, but Hitler was just so much more. That shows that they are even too dumb to educate themselves properly.

And finally what the left seems to forget, observed under the light of the current circumstances, that it was indeed the violence of the communists as well, that led to the 3rd Reich. There were so many streetfights and riots in the Berlin of the late 20s and early 30s, and people were just fed up with the chaos.

The black block could also easily be compared to the SA by the way, who also (besides from acting as bouncers at speeches) served as a tool to bring terror and violence to innocent protests.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Exactly. From what I've seen and heard, the leftists are completely oblivious that this kind of conservative resurgence does not develop spontaneously. It grew BECAUSE OF how far the pendulum had swung. People were fed up with the rampant PC culture. People who otherwise wouldn't dream of voting for Trump flocked to the polls to support someone who didn't support that ideology.

[–]1nzgs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The white nationalists hate Milo for his support of multi-racialism. He is only against multiculturalism. I tend to agree with Milo that there is no reason to "purify" already multi-racial countries like the USA, UK, France etc. But small homogenous white nations (Finland, Norway for example) must be respected; this is the difference between being a rational multi-racialist and someone advocated white-genocide (much of the Left these days).

[–]Anonnitor points points [recovered]

Interesting idea. You realize now though that we have to rebuild the entire lore from the ground up. That sub needs it's own 'required reading' sidebar.

Imagine starting this subreddit right here without a sidebar and a defined set of values of what proper sexual strategy is. It would be a complete clusterfuck.

Here in TRP we make the case that this view is the correct view, biologically, evolutionarily, etc. And that the blue pilled view is wrong. Really wrong. Not 'oh you can choose it if you want but ours is better' but 'no being blue pilled in sexual strategy is WRONG ON A DNA LEVEL'.

Now what I want to see is if you can make that same case/statement for politics, or for a political view, and if you can build the sidebar materials necessary to make newcomers see your way of thinking, if you ever do accomplish that goal.

And then after that, you have to see if that sub will even be allowed to exist on this site. If you've seen the type of things I have seen, if you knew what I know, then you might already know the answer to that question.

I think it's already been solved by the way, what the correct 'evolutionary politics' is. But anyways, let's see what happens. Too many people are still asleep, and violently so.

[–]ok_heh 1 point2 points  (4 children)

What is the "correct evolutionary politics" you're referring to?

Not trolling, wandered into this thread and if I'm in a bubble or blue-pilling it then I want to be enlightened.

[–]Anonnitor points points [recovered]

Just like eating a steak instead of tofu makes you feel good because it gives your body something it evolved eating and therefore gives you nutrients and minerals that you need, I'm proposing that there has to be a system of government or a way of living in society that we evolved doing, and that feels good because it provides our minds with something that they need.

[–]ok_heh 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Yeah that makes sense, I didn't know if you were referring to a book or theory that had already been established somewhere that I could learn about.

[–]Anonnitor points points [recovered]

As far as a solid theory to point you to if you want to do some reading... hmm.. That's a good question. Mostly I learned just by browsing all the corners of the internet searching for answers. I don't think I ever found one solid place with everything laid out yet. As far as theories go, you gotta look for political systems that are based on the reality more than they are based on ideals - that's part of the reason capitalism absolutely wrecked communism. If you don't allow the market to work on its own things go bad fast. Just extrapolate this example out to all facets of society.

Also it'd be easier for me if I knew where you stood now, or at least where you are looking towards if that question is too personal.

[–]topothebellcurve 4 points5 points  (2 children)

It seems to me that the real political red pill is that the left/right spectrum is a tool used against us. A single dimension to evaluate political truth on? Really? Ah hahaha what a corral!

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree. Write a post. I would love to read it.

[–]1nzgs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ask someone to define Left/Right and they will mumble something about racism. That's why they've become meaningless, because people use them as insults rather than political definitions. It's further muddled by the incoherent labelling of the Nazis as right-wing. Nobody was calling them right-wing in the 1930s. It is historical revisionism.

I've always thought that Left/Right was a simple spectrum of power; centralised state power versus individual power. This is also the view of plenty of economists.

[–]g8TUNESbra 8 points9 points  (2 children)

This is good, not everyone on here is a Trump done. And the Trumpeting is annoying as fuck. Sexual strategy has nothing to do with politics.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes it does, feminism is a sexual strategy. The one political viewpoint that unites us is that we are vehemently opposed to third-wave feminism. That inherently makes TRP right leaning.

[–]1nzgs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Of course it has plenty to do with politics. It's infantile to deny such a thing. Every other topic in here is about marriage or false-rape, both inexorably linked to the feminist political climate. Get your head out the sand.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I really like this idea and your definition of the Red Pill Right.

Red Pill is amoral and apolitical and TRP should certainly stay that way. However, once you take the Red Pill, certain political perspectives almost always become clear. There is plenty of room for discussion on gays, and school choice, security and crime fighting, and open borders, war and peace, abortion, and so on, but I would think the Red Pill Right would generally be opposed to transgenderism/gender blending. The concerted effort to make little boys into little girls while making little girls into ball busting entitled princesses is the antitheses of Red Pill thought.

On many of the larger issues there is broad agreement in the Red Pill Right on several Conservative principles such as limited government that goes hand in glove with lower taxes and private property rights and all are essential for a strong MAN. Some Red Pillers may do good deeds, vote Democrat, call themselves "Liberal" or Progressive, help the poor, and so on, but the underlying realization for Red Pill is to be a strong, independent Alpha man. This is why there is broad agreement on the Red Pill Right to generally eschew generous welfare and make-work government jobs. When we add that the natural enemy of Red Pill is Feminism- the dominant Marxist/Far Left ideology of our time- it is evident that the term "Red Pill Right is exactly right even if not all of us are on the "Right." Certainly the Red Pill Right is closer to "Trumpism" than to establishment Conservative thought. It may have been the Red Pill Right that was the tip of the spear in the recent election.

I think the new sub should be heavily moderated and a place for REAL and serious political discussion from a Red Pill Right perspective. Tucker and RPS have just invented something important. Step aside Tea Party. We on the Red Pill Right have got this.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The concerted effort to make little boys into little girls while making little girls into ball busting entitled princesses is the antitheses of Red Pill thought.

Though I think that most of us don't care if anybody decides to "feel" like they're something else, I think we all take exception to the idea that we, as a culture, are incouraging young boys to want to be girls (and vice versa). It becomes a problem when the culture glorifies something and it expands beyond your normal rate of different people.

I think the new sub should be heavily moderated and a place for REAL and serious political discussion from a Red Pill Right perspective.

And that it shall be, in fact we've focused on deleting a lot of pro-trump content, not because I disagree, but because it doesn't make an argument at all, but rather fluffs him up.

My goal is to have a place that we can finally have a serious discussion that limits trolling and goalpost moving, and gets to the real motivations behind political moves. I don't care what side you're on, left or right. You should be examined under a microscope.

[–]1nzgs 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Most of the RP core themes in the sidebar are really part of a right-of-centre political narrative. I'm glad some people on here are aware of this but it seems a LOT of posters here are scared of some of the logical consequences of TRP.

It's a good thing that the Red Pill Right exists because this place isn't really red-pilled anymore.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right of center. Well yeah, the word right is in the name. It not being red pill is something they are working on. Posting guidelines and the ban hammer will trim the herd.

[–]1nzgs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Imo TRP is extricably linked to politics and people who deny that don't really understand how deep the rabbit hole goes. TRP is incompatible with SJW ideas that value temoporary emotional wellbeing over reason, logic, respect, boundaries. If one believes that they are entitled to the earnings of others, they can't then turn around and preach about how entitlement is bad in the context of TRP. If someone believes in TRP concepts of self-improvement and looksmaxing, they can't then preach that the world should change so as not to offend their feelings. If you understand that we pass on our genes in a competitive marketplace where there are winners and losers, then you can't honestly not see the wider implications of this to our social evolution.

If you're a leftist then you might have the red pill in your mouth but you haven't swallowed and digested it.

[–]1Entropy-7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The whole idea of being "Red Pill" is to see reality for what it is. I have been a political conservative since I was 14 years old because conservatism passes the reality check better than anything the liberals and leftists have to offer.

The left appeals to the dullards and losers in our society, as well as the over-educated who lead them.

Anyways: see you over there RPS

[–]Finzi 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I'm politically left, but I still find TRP persuasive when it comes to sexual strategy. Obviously I recognize that there is overlap and affinity between aspects of TRP and conservative thought, but TRP tells us basically nothing about economics. Income and wealth inequality are out of control, and rich people dominate the political process. And it's not because a few rich supermen are so damn competent and awesome at their jobs. It's because laws, regulations, economic and tax policy are stacked in favor or rich people in a thousand different ways.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's because laws, regulations, economic and tax policy are stacked in favor or rich people in a thousand different ways.

Rich people are good at staying rich, that's for sure. But don't make the mistake of thinking the 1% on the left are going to treat you better than the 1% on the right.

[–]I_dont_understandit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why not "theRedPillPolitics"? Wouldn't it be better to allow both left and right leaning people to participate in the conversation?

I agree with a lot of what the red pill says about sexual strategy, but I lean socialist in my politics.

After much study, I think socialized healthcare, high quality public schools and environmental protections are pivotal to society, but at the same time I think feminism is mostly a movement based on hypocrisy and hate (despite some well-meaning people).

I have basically no where to go, because that makes me unacceptable to both the "right" and the "left."

I think if you just identified yourself as "politics" instead of "the right" you could win the support of people like me, and have a much larger political movement.

[–]purplecabbage 2 points3 points  (0 children)

govt. spend responsibly, don't take my money

LOL

But otherwise I like the post. And I like the redpillright political concept. If I can't have free markets, this is a closer approximation than anything else and I support it.

[–]MankindMF points points [recovered]

What is Milo's sexual strategy

[–]BareFistEmpiricist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Back door strategy.

[–]neopet 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You know what? I was starting to worry that the red pill name was being hijacked by the alt right after the incredible smear campaign which that group endured. Personally, I'd like this place to stay as a political as possible with the exception of some specific relevant cases. I think it's unfortunate /theredpillright has to exist, but I understand it's necessary to preserve /theredpill from those outside the community.

I guess what I'm trying to say is thanks for taking the right steps to keep this place on the rails.

[–]TrannyPornO 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sex is political, per the descent of man and institution of monogamy.

[–]Ovadox 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Politics is not football. It is foolish for people to divide up into two opposing teams, force every problem and solution into a false dichotomy and then make a zero sum game out of every difference. That shuts down creative problem solving and silos people off in captive constituencies . It's great for the people in charge since they can figure out what benefits them the most, work towards that behind the scenes while they get everybody else to fight over pointless details.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Politics and the red pill are completely intertwined. If you don't think so you haven't absorbed enough. If you are a sanders supporter and read this sub you haven't absorbed enough.

Red Pill Right = quasi libertarian. It does not mean traditional conservative. It does mean seeing through the liberal charade on issues covering gender, race, government, and religion

[–]33papers 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Personally, I love this sub, it's bang on with sexual strategy. But so much of the political side is reactionary, most of t_d is a pathetic personality cult.

[–]NormanoSilurian 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What's going on is a return to mayoral politics - ie politics dominated by extraordinary characters.

It's the result of the people having a much more full, open and direct relationship with the candidates (the lying, manipulative MSM having been cut out).

[–]Devon8822 points points [recovered]

yeah no, OP you have no idea what you are talking about regarding politics. Secondly "red pill" is a term used in many circles… I first heard it used in political circles and only found out that it was used here later.

https://wasp66law.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/img_9482-0.jpg

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Secondly "red pill" is a term used in many circles… I first heard it used in political circles and only found out that it was used here later.

You're young and uninformed. I won't hold it against you.

[–]chidoriwarrior 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Have you never seen the Matrix?

[–]SoSconed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So essentially a sophisticated /pol/. Congratulations you have out fedora'd 4chan.

[–]stawek 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is one problem with poilticizing theRedPill.

Politics are about maintaining our culture and civilization. TheRedPill main tenets (spin plates, be alpha and shit on betas) will destroy civilization.

Like it or not, but civilizations are built by betas who work overtime for their wifes and children, not by Chads.

[–]sarc0lupus 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's a good move a different sub was created to discuss this: please don't dilute RedPill with other stuff or it'll turn into the Pussy Pass sub which has recently lost my following (it was once a great sub full of examples of feminine imperative and free passes, but has now been overrun with politics).

One of the reasons RedPill is such an incredibly good sub is because of the good and reasonable moderation. A benevolent oligarchy (a council of elders): the mods have ensured our sub doesn't get clogged with garbage (seduction sub has sadly turned this way). RedPill continues to deliver life-changing content.

Keep it up lads.

[–]TomFoo 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I believe it was Rollo who said there has to be many Red Pills out there, not just ours. And perhaps not just about sexual strategy either.

RP media, RP career, RP college, RP high school, RP running a biz, RP philosophy/lifestyle, RP retirement, so on.

Although it's frustrating when documentaries and political stances take away from the hard work of this community, we can't change the direction of the wave. Might as well ride that bitch and ride her well.

Excellent, timely move, RPS.

[–]hermit087 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Red pilled" is a general term for learning things which are politically incorrect or unpleasant to think about. For example, its 4chan lingo for somebody to say "redpill my on this subject" when talking about a historical event or political issue.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I'm against the idea.

TRP is about slaying pussy and making the most of your Masculinity.

Don't get me wrong. I browse the other alternative subs and DNGAF who hates jews, niggers, and spics and care even less if they are justified or accurate. I do see the loose connections to the primary issues we discuss here.

Still, its important not to take our eyes off the ball and TRPs rule zero is about your sexual strategy.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

That's why we've moved it to another sub. Good news is we won't be tolerating racism over there either.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

as long as misogyny is front and center than Ill be happy to contribute.

its easy..how can one not make fun of how ridiculous bitches can be?

[–]neopet 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree with you, I don't want politics associated with TRP name. But unfortunately it's being done for us already by those outside the community. This is the only way I can see us keeping the main sub a-political going forwards.

[–]hermit087 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"But it serves as little more than rage porn and memes. The conversation actually stops itself from getting too deep. A few conjectures land at the top of every post, but nothing is really said about the underlying theory of what is happening today"

If you are looking for "red pilled" political ideology, that would be the alt-right(its not all extreme white supremacists) or some variation of libertarianism.

Many in these political spheres actually did first become "redpilled" in the manosphere just like you guys. Heartiste/Roissy was the beginning for me and I have heard many others say the same. 4chans /pol/ is also redpilled a lot of people about politics, but you have to spend like a year regularly shitposting on their to learn anything.

In retrospect, reading books about political philosophy might be a much more efficient way to learn about this stuff than internet communities.

[–]Lionlocker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This has been long coming, subbed immediatly.

It's absolutely imperative that politics are decided based on logic and fact. We can have all the lovey-dovey sjws that want a big happy hugbox, but realistically it just isn't happening. It's a long time coming that logic reclaims its place as top decision maker.

Having been on TRP for a year now, I know the ideas discussed here are of great significance, based in reality and eloquently put. I was eagerly awaiting the conversation to become political.

We live in extraordinary times. A tidal wave of conservatism and attention on the global elite shadow government. I want to live through these times with the bright minds present here.

[–]Mckallidon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Subbed. Need more outlets to shitpost and/or consume posted-shit.

[–]NegativeFrank 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's unclear whether this sub is meant to be male dominated.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I welcome truth and reason. No need to identify gender.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty evenly split between republican and democratic ideologies but still enjoy banging broads and not taking their BS. I don't think it has much to do with politics.

Most conservatives are religious and I'm an atheist so that alone knocks me out of the republican camp.

I'm also not big on immigration (legal or otherwise) so that knocks me out of the democrat camp.

Let's talk about banging broads!

[–]McFistycuffs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

IN MY OPINION, it seems to me that linking The redpill to the right idealologies is an attempt from the right to gain support of middle class males in America and further polarize the political sphere.

Understand, that the key to getting a group of people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do, is to provide some incentive. Through much of human history that incentive was in the form of arms and force, but also, by controlling access to women. The institution of marriage was formed by agricultural societies as a means of accomplishing this.

It's in human nature to want to fuck. How does the father inventivize his sons to plow the land? By controlling their access to women. It was the father's choice, who you married in early agricultural societies for that reason. The son who rebels never marries.

My next statement is not to chastize or strike fear in the hearts of those who identify most closely to the right but. . . Based on my observations and study of history and politics, it is my educated OPINION, that the current administration knows this all to well. Due to the fact that The Redpill is centered around the topic of sexual strategy, it seems a rational strategy for a political party (who have lost a lot of support of millenials in recent decades) would be linking their base to these sexual strategies. They understand that we understand things about sex that most simple fucks just don't realize. The strategy here is to link Redpill to the Right ideals, thus persuading those simple fucks, to join in on their political agenda.

I believe "alpha" "beta" language is going to become particually dangerous in this political atmosphere, because it's going to be used BY BOTH SIDES, to undermine and devalue idealologies we disagree with. This is particularly dangerous to our democratic system, because good democracies require us to listen and talk with each other in order to share ideas. But if we end up just calling people we disagree with "beta cucks" it will only cause more resentment between the two dominant political identities in America.

I believe that all of us, regardless of our political stance, at least agree on one thing: The fifth amendment. So gentlemen, I encourage all of you to educate yourself on political science. Wiki John Stewart Mill. Read 1984. And do not result to insults in your political debates from day to day, but instead stick to facts and observation, remain open to new opinions.

[–]epubliusrex 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Answers to your questions are easy and simple. All you have to do is look at world history over the last 3500 years. The white man has repeatedly conquered the world. The white man has repeatedly invented the world. And the white man, when he's angry and especially when he's organized, is the scariest thing in the world. And the world knows it.

Thus, you have concerted effort to feminized white males and deprive them, through laws and rhetoric, of their natural, hegemonic place in the world. White women, and control of them, have been the spear of this movement. There were not enough blacks in the country in 1960 to effect the necessary changes. Thus women had to be used to take down the white male's supremacy in his native lands--America and Canada being part of those native lands.

It's Marxian construct. You need to wrap your heads around that.

[–]PaullyBeenis 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You're aware white people are native to Europe, right? I mean I love trolling this subreddit but come on dog are you a retard? It's okay if you are bro you should just put a little disclaimer at the top of your posts so people know it's just your autistic rage and not to give it any credence.

[–]An_All-Beef_Engineer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why don't you invite quality posters from the_Donald?

[–]arthurabyssal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The evolutionary aspects of TRP is left winged, and in fact most TRP members attempt sexual relations with many different women ('spinning plates') and this is a VERY Liberal way of life. However the whole submissive wife thing and masculine/feminine deconstruction is right-wing. Point being that left amd right are silly terms. Overall the Redpill is just politically caveman: believes in caveman sexual principles which predated politics.

[–]bigcitytruth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Both parties have attributes that run counter to the red pill.

Dems are easier to pick out. The feminism and pussy-footed lack of masculinity are their noted flaws.

But Republicans have problems, too. They believe in marriage and the white-picket-fence. They also are the biggest white knights and believe too much in chivalry (the kind that is detrimental to men's autonomy, such as always paying, holding doors, etc).

Now to talk about actual politics is impossible on TRP because 90% of the users here are too young to have any perspective. How can they have an opinion on taxes if they haven't even done their own taxes for more than a couple years? How can they have an opinion on terrorism if they were 5 years old when 9/11 happened? Both parties are awful and honestly, if people want to swallow a REAL pill about politics is that you need to step away from parties because they BOTH are fucking you.

[–]dankvibez 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So basically OP you are kinda like Gary Johnson?

In otherwords instead of having a minority rail your wife from behind while a koch brother stands above her jacking his dick trying to get a few drops of cum on her face, you just have the koch brother standing there? Hoping to get a sweet sweet drop of that "TRICKLE DOWN" money.

Sounds redpill as fuck bruh.

[–]BuzzedNig 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Am I allowed to talk about jews? T_D is completely cucked to the zionist cause

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (9 children)

Makes sense. Leftism and TRP are inherently incompatible worldviews

[–]Snazzy_Serval 14 points15 points  (2 children)

I wouldn't be caught dead voting for a Republican and I want to fuck lots of women.

Did I just blow your mind?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Republicans aren't economically right wing, they believe very strongly in central economic planning.

Did I just blow your mind?

[–]Diarrhea_Van_Frank 7 points8 points  (5 children)

You're being downvoted because people still haven't let go of their emotional attachment to their dogma. Leftism is inherently incompatible with Red Pill, because leftism is born out of idealism, and we do not live in an ideal world. We live in the real world with real, fucked up, selfish, destructive people. The right is the side that addresses the world as it is, not how it should be.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

While I agree that leftism is the desire for a more ideal state, but I don't see how that's incompatible with TRP. Despite my bleeding liberal heart, my wife is so compliant to me that I get quizzical looks in public and I'm casually solicited for dating advice pretty regularly. If my refusal to accept the current state of affairs (which is what brought me to TRP in the first place) is incompatible with TRP, how did I establish and maintain an RP relationship?

[–]CleburnCO 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ng liberal heart, my wife is so compliant to me that I get quizzical looks in public and I'm casually solicited for dating advice pretty regularly. If my refusal to accept the current state of affairs (which is what brought me to TRP in the first place) is incompatible with TRP, how did I establish and maintain an RP relationship?

There are plenty of leftists that are authoritarian in nature, and thus...somewhat akin to red pill. Heck, Smedly Butler won two medals of honor and ended his life as a full blown communist that hated democracy, individual rights, and liberty...he was absolutely red pill in the personal sense. Being red pill doesn't mean you are a decent human being one way or another. It doesn't mean you are good or evil. It is one part of a larger whole. Red Pill life (world view) is not the same as simple red pill sexual strategy which is more akin to PUA games.

Red Pill mindset/philosophy would not be leftist at all...as it is more Rousseau based philosophy. Hobbes based philosophy is clearly blue pill and the parties are based on those two philosophies with Rousseau being the basis of the right and Hobbes being the basis of the left.

Based on that, it is logical to see the left as more blue pill and the right as more red pill...but that is an oversimplification as there are cases where that isn't true.

The issue is AWALT/AMALT...you are not the exception to the rule.

Don't look at it as left/right. Look at the philosophy behind it which is Rousseau vs Hobbes. Rousseau was a flat out Red Pill MoFo. Hobbes was blue pill to the core.

[–]Summertime_Dimes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're living a lie or your compliant wife is ugly and couldn't do any better

[–]Senior Contributordeepthrill 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Are you going to link to it in the sidebar under "Red Pill Subreddits"?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's invaluable that you seem to have described it as TRP endorsing a specific way of viewing and analyzing politics pragmatically (" to discuss politics from a red pill standpoint"), rather than a rigid political dogma based only on the existing parties.

[–]I_AM_CALAMITY 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If that was what the sub was I would be overjoyed. He specified, however, that it is right wing. In my opinion, that is a massive mistake and I'm shocked.

[–]rporion points points [recovered]

I will try to correct you because I do think you are wrong.

If you look at it, the average woman and her offspring (yes, HER offspring) is subsidized to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars over her lifetime.

Given that the deal was surplus resources from the man in exchange for sex and reproductive resources that disarmes the average man which just so happens to be the backbone of civilization.

Which leads to a society men increasingly disengage from and liberal distribution of wealth makes that all possible.

[–]1rporion -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Sorry, replied to the wrong post.

[–]NotExactlyChad points points [recovered]

The problem with US politics is we don't have a clear understanding of the political spectrum to begin with. We place our ideologies on it without defining what they mean and why they belong there.

The only true political spectrum is this:

Totaltarianism --------------------------- Individualism

[–]hermit087 1 point2 points  (3 children)

The "political compass" is actually pretty good for generally describing peoples political beliefs, with an authoritarian/libertarian axis basically like you are saying, then a socialist/capitalist axis.

You are certainly free to say you don't like either side, but that doesn't mean both sides are the same.

[–]NotExactlyChad points points [recovered]

You're right, a political spectrum has two axi. What I meant was that we usually consider Rep. and Dem. to be on the right and the left, but that's not a clear representation of what they stand for .

If we consider communism as the far left extreme and fascism as the far right extreme, on a linear scale, it doesn't leave any room for anarchism, libertarianism or other less authoritarian ideologies.

But if we use the same linear scale with two opposing extremes on each side it gives a better perspective of where different ideologies can be placed.

This, obviously, is debatable depending on who you talk to, but it's still a more accurate representation.

[–]hermit087 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Fair enough. Its very common to come across libertarians that make the lazy "both sides are exactly the same" horseshoe theory argument(youtuber Sargon of Akkad is famous for this)and I was assuming you were one of those people at first.

[–]Focusi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Something TRP has taught me throughout the years is that I should never take anything at face value. That includes politics.

The past election period has been a wild ride where there's been an internal conflict at the top level which they then projected onto the population and look where it got us.

Also I just watched the Joe Rogan podcast with Alex Jones and holy shit is it juicy. Since I don't take things by face value I am inclined not to trust everything I heard on there. But I'll be damned if it didn't get me thinking

[–]SILENTSAM69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not to take away from the idea that most things in life are intertwined with sexual strategy, but I think the reason that most curse words are sexual in nature is a cultural thing.

In some languages from other cultures it is blasphemous words that are often curse words, where as in our culture it is sexual words. I think it is tied to what the culture in question has an obsession with seeing in a negative way.

[–]The_Tempest__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Excellent idea. Subbed.

[–]RedPillApprentice99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great addition to the red pill sphere. Subbed.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Does this mean an end to all political talk on TRP? Please say yes.

My primary interest in coming to TRP is to be a better man and to learn more about women.

I have no freaking interest in reading things about Trump or liberals etc here.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yes, any political talk that's not strictly related to sexual strategy will be removed from TRP.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Awesome. That's great news.

[–]CleburnCO 0 points1 point  (0 children)