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Woman on AskMen isn't attracted to her loving/doting beta provider husband, and is planning to kick his ass to the curb. Happy Thanksgiving. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by needsomehelp3211

Summary: Marrying a woman who isn't attracted to you is a losing proposition. If she starts spinning yarn about "You don't make me horny but I'm in love with your personality", FUCKING RUN IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.

Original post here.

Our story begins on AskMen where a guy posts his experience of being trashed by a woman he loved after 10 years of marriage because... yep, you guessed it. She didn't feel the tingles anymore. After 10 years of marriage, she was willing to torch her family because she didn't feel the tingles.

There was probably a 6'5" steel-jawed Chad lurking in the corner too, but OP never goes into that so it's speculation on my part. Anyway, here's his post:

I wanted to post this on a throwaway but I guess I can't due to subreddit rules. So whatever. I feel like this is important enough to just post on my main account.

This might sound overly pessimistic, but here it goes. I learned that physical appearance IS actually very important. A lot of people say "it's what's on the inside that counts" but that's not always enough. Leagues are a thing I guess.

My wife just left me because she "was never attracted" to me and "wanted to want" her husband. She told me that she didn't think it mattered that she wasn't attracted to me because birth control had given her such a low sex drive that it seemed irrelevant I guess? After stopping the pill, her libido increased. She wanted to be intimate with me but "in a different body" ... but at least she admitted my face looked "okay."

We had fairly few problems in our relationship. It should have maybe been a red flag to me that my libido was higher than hers for a lot of it, but I was willing to live with it. She was my best friend and I loved her dearly. I wanted and planned to spend the rest of my life with her.

I'm not the best looking guy, I'm a little overweight by appearance standards (but I technically have a BMI in the "normal" range now) and I'm balding. My facial features aren't remarkable. But I feel like I didn't deserve this.

I feel like our personalities were so compatible, and after over half a decade together- it's just such a huge self-esteem blow for appearance to be the deal breaker. Good for her for trying not to be shallow I guess, but: people are shallow, and fighting that shallowness isn't good for anyone. I'll never try to date someone I'm not completely 100% attracted to in the future- it is cruel. That's what I learned.

Poor guy. By all accounts he sounds like what women tell us is their ideal partner. Sweet, sensitive, kind, etc. But here's the thing nobody tells you - on a primal level, all that stuff makes women want to barf. Even if she holds her nose and marries a beta for his provider status, eventually the facade will crack and her animal side will erupt out. That's when you get the clandestine cheating and in this case, outright divorce.

What women actually want is dominance, stoicism, peak physical stature, and ambition in their men. But that's not politically correct to say, is it?

Also, for bonus points, there's a woman in the comment section basically saying the same thing as me:

I am leaving my husband of 10 years for pretty much the same reason. We have other issues too but nothing major. I just can't love him the way he loves me.

I feel awful for putting him through this but I can't sacrifice my own happiness anymore.

...

Yes. From the beginning. I dated him because he was a nice, safe choice. Different from the guys I usually dated.

Don't get me wrong, early in the relationship an attraction grew and we had a great sex life for the first couple years but it was always unbalanced and eventually the attraction died completely. Stayed because we have children and I thought it was the right the to do... but I can't put my life on hold anymore and we're not showing them an example of a healthy relationship.

See, folks? She just isn't haaaaaaaapy. Sufficient justification for bulldozing a marriage and children, right? This is seriously how women think.

Go lift. Like, right now, log off and go exercise. Otherwise it's a vicious cycle and you'll end up like these poor fools.

TL;DR: Women can pretend to be attracted to beta males for the safety and security... but it never lasts.


[–]1ShallITinder 504 points505 points  (100 children)

"Askmen", the sub whose name would give you the impression that you hear the opinions of men yet half of the opinions are from entitled women who feel the need to give men advice. The sub where every other thread is easily deleted because mods are crooked beta males who are on a power trip because for the first time in their lives they have any sort of power. A sub where you have female mods, even though it is "Askmen".

"Askmen", the most misleading title for a sub on reddit, should be AskCucks.

[–][deleted] 146 points147 points  (35 children)

They try to invade all male spaces..

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 63 points64 points  (16 children)

Yeez! They are even present in the pathetic church of nofap subreddit. How fucking self-centered and narcissistic do you have to be in order to believe that your presence as a female could add anything of value in anything related to male masturbation (or the abstinence from it)?

The cuck mods even allowed them to flair themselves as hamsters for some time. From what I can see that changed, but I am not sure.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (13 children)

Lol nofap has nothing todo with beta or Shit. It's just too much porn = desensitization. Some bitches are raised watching porn and can't get hard with a vagina & needs to stop watching porn. Ofc there are some beta there but loads of hardcore men do it. So if you don't know Shit you better not sayin it.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen -2 points-1 points  (12 children)

Did I hurt your feefees? I heard rubbing one out can help with agressivness.

NoFap is a fucking shithole which does exactly the same that the church and society have done for the last 2000 years or even more: guilttrip young men into cognitive dissonance because of their sexuality and sex drive.

Refraining from watching porn and trying to castrate yourself are two very different things.

[–]Entrefut 14 points15 points  (6 children)

That's actually just flat out wrong. I'm surprised this sub endorses someone so stupid actually. Well as of late I'm not surprised, but I guess that's because this sub has gone downhill a bit from when I first checked it out...

The whole over generalizing thing is meant to be directed towards women in a way that helps you not think too hard about why women do the things they do. But taking that same method and using it to over generalize why people do NoFap is embarrassing to this sub. NoFap is about self control and helping guys with crippling port addictions move back to having relations with real men or women... Tons of reasons to do nofap, I guess castration could be one of them, but there are a hundred others that are probably more relevant. Stop being dumb, you're dragging the IQ of this sub down.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

http://theredpillroom.blogspot.ca/2012/08/the-male-social-matrix-back-to-sandbox.html

For anyone paying attention, good lesson here.

Male social dynamics have two major parts: the first in which men are tested for their fitness for membership, and the second in which having passed the test they are accepted into the group almost wholesale.

In this case, an EC challenged an outsider, purposefully being provocative. OP, instead of displaying fitness, decided to be passive aggressive, and appealing to shame, DEER, and other femenine traits, essentially killed any acceptance, which I assume is what he was looking for here, hence the defense of nofap.

http://www.psychologyofmen.org/male-gender-role/

For further insight, you can see multiple places where masculinity is defined (be men, which is important here) Based on the applicable lists that were used in a few of the studies cited Bolding gaffs by OP:

  1. restrict emotions
  2. avoid being feminine
  3. focus on toughness and aggression
  4. be self-reliant
  5. make achievement the top priority
  6. be non-relational
  7. objectify sex
  8. be homophobic

  9. “no sissy stuff” Distance self from femininity, homophobia, avoid emotions

  10. “be a big wheel” Strive for achievement and success, focus on competition

  11. “be a sturdy oak” Avoid vulnerability, stay composed and in control, be tough

  12. “give em hell” Act aggressively to become dominant

Total overkill breakdown, I do see it often, so it's nice to notice, figure it's good for others paying attention. Now, I expect OP to respond with a DEER (defend, excuse, explain, rationalise) or doubling down on attempting to shame me. It taps into the idea of disdain for being insulted in his own house, even though it's just pixels. This is what many EC's talk about when it comes to checking your ego, acting deliberately, and understanding what masculinity means.

IT's enough aspie typing for me, I'm out

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Bla bla bla. And feminism is about equality.

[–]Entrefut 10 points11 points  (3 children)

It's okay, we all grow up and realize problems are more complicated than a or z at some point in our lives. You'll get there big guy.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

Who's the one trying to sell simple solutions here?

Me, or the one proposing that refraining from rubbing one out results in becoming a better man?

I hate religious nutjobs.

[–]Entrefut 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Like I said, self control. Becoming a better man comes in steps, not all at once. Bashing the step of self control because you don't like how it's done is stupid. Not going to argue something so simple because I'm done analyzing your shitty logic. But if you think refraining from doing anything that is damaging to yourself is a religious practice, so be it. Bashing on religion when you're a part of TRP makes no sense.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

-" which does exactly the same that the church and society have done for the last 2000 years or even more: guilttrip young men into cognitive dissonance because of their sexuality and sex drive"

"Refraining from watching porn and trying to castrate yourself are two very different "

Can't fucking believe that you are endorsed. Your argument is full of shitty womenly assumptions. I bet my fucking life that you ABSOLUTELY have no idea what's Nofap even is. No point to explain: from my point it's clearly you have no idea what nofap is. Either you are to fucking full of "alpha" bullshit and see things black and white or you are to stupid to understand science.

"guilttrip young men into cognitive dissonance because of their sexuality and sex drive"

Make me laugh again, Cum-endorsed contributor.

[–]Alpacash 2 points3 points  (1 child)

When you can't get an erection with even a hb10 because you have been stroking your tip to fucking midget shemale gangbang porn for the past 10 years, you will understand why nofap exists. It's fine if watching porn doesn't affect your sex life, but you have to understand there are people out there whose lives were destroyed by porn.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ha! gamer girls will do anything for attention

[–]yomo86 46 points47 points  (11 children)

Those are cucks imho. Let's let this sink if you ask askmen as a 17yo boy that your girlfriend is a cheating whore who fucks the third string line backer and what kind of advice other more established men would give what would happen? Yup, they remove your thread.

[–]iamirishpat 49 points50 points  (9 children)

Become the second string linebacker.

[–]babybopp 88 points89 points  (7 children)

A guy there had an arrangement with a girl where she fucks him for rent. He was called a rapist. "Real men don't need to get anything back when a damsel is in distress.. " I almost puked

[–]iamirishpat 46 points47 points  (6 children)

Lmfao. He's getting ripped off. Escorts are miles cheaper than a months rent.

[–][deleted] 51 points52 points  (1 child)

Depends how many times he got to fuck her.

[–]Sensei_Hensei 19 points20 points  (1 child)

And I'm willing to bet better looking

[–]TheRedStoic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Practically guaranteed.

If she were hot and feminine enough, she'd already have a place to stay.

Then again, all sex is trade, all people are buying or selling in that game. It's just how you describe your payment that matters.

[–]beginner_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. Would never make that deal. No rent would also require impeccable cleaning and cocking skills. Dust on the floor? Your paying this month. Disgusting meal? Your paying this month...

[–]baseballfan901 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

eh, but escorts come with higher risks, those girls should be cleaner.

[–]stemgang 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Entryism is poisonous jealousy.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It is a valuable infiltration tool that our breed should apply the "mirror" Law of Power towards. Nothing is more frustrating or disarming than to look at your opponent and see your own mug reflecting back mercilessly, consistently. It is an objectification strategy- one of my favorites.

[–]fyreNL 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Are there any men moderating the askwomen sub by any chance?

[–]MeatRocket23 1 point2 points  (1 child)

They try to invade male workplaces... Unless that workplace happens to be a trade like laying concrete, plumbing, ditch digging, framing ect...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They try to invade those jobs too..

Then they fucking stand there are look at you when it's time to do the heavy work.. Then brag about "keeping up with the men"

[–][deleted] 66 points67 points  (9 children)

There was a woman who made a top level comment a few weeks back, I asked her why she was answering because she is a woman and the question was for men. She said the men were more welcoming than the women (aka cucks always agree with her and shower her with upvotes at the very whiff of pussy) and then I got warned by a Mod because I was "discouraging" her by asking her a question.

Rational thought is dead, and feminists are winning thanks to cucks

[–]Cunt_Robber 54 points55 points  (8 children)

(aka cucks always agree with her and shower her with upvotes at the very whiff of pussy

I've learned to adapt to this: my social media profiles have female names and female genders set. The people I'm friends with know about me, and new friends I add/follow seem to find it amusing. it's not a big deal but ultimately whenever I post or comment on a public page/group the people seem so much nicer to whatever I say. I can dish out a totally subjective, harsh opinion and I'll get replies from guys trying to explain to me why I may be wrong, I get other girls commenting and liking and starting discussion. When I'd comment with my male name on social media it seemed like ppl often came out of the woodwork trying to prove me wrong, calling me names, trolling, etc. After making the name switch as a dare from a friend, I never went back. Try it sometime, you'll get hit up by guys and you'll be like damn, this is social media on easy mode. You automatically get attention and validation just for being a woman. smh and they still complain for "equality"

[–]bmwphysics 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Best post I read today lol. .."Social media on easy mode..." hahahaha.

[–]RedPillOdin 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is why TITS OR GTFO is a thing. You get an automatic bonus to conversation because people want to fuck you.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I have no trouble whatsoever believing this.

[–]Cunt_Robber 0 points1 point  (3 children)

What I also found, and this might be more interesting, is that with my gender was set to "male" I used to get sponsored ads about sports, cars, insurance, maybe books or shows. Set to "female" gender, I immediately noticed the change in advertising genre: lots of relationship stuff, women's apparel, and most interestingly material about dealing with loneliness, anxiety, or depression. "Most women don't realize they suffer from..." clickbait type of crap practically telling a woman what to think of herself because other women allegedly feel/think a certain way (and the woman's hive mind does the rest of the hamstering, I assume). It was surprising that this loneliness and depression stuff was aimed at women when they obviously get plenty of attention and validation, and not at men, who are the ones in society breaking their backs. No trace of any depression help ads for men.

To better understand the perspective of the opposite sex (basically to see how easy they have it), it's worthwhile to explore social media as a woman. Also for those looking to get into the tinder game, make a fake female account first and see how other guys approach you, what messages they send first to "hook you," how they try to keep the conversations going, etc. I've brought back substantial knowledge from the other side.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 2 points3 points  (2 children)

"Most women don't realize they suffer from..." clickbait type of crap practically telling a woman what to think of herself because other women allegedly feel/think a certain way (and the woman's hive mind does the rest of the hamstering, I assume). It was surprising that this loneliness and depression stuff was aimed at women when they obviously get plenty of attention and validation, and not at men, who are the ones in society breaking their backs. No trace of any depression help ads for men.

As someone who actually works with search engine marketing, I can assure you this isn't some sinister conspiracy to keep men miserable and depressed instead of offering them help; it's more that delivering ads of that sort to men simply does not pay off.

If advertising something against depression to men would be worth it, they'd also do it. However, if the ROI isn't worth the trouble for men but is for women, women will see these ads and men won't.

Make of that what you will.

[–]Cunt_Robber 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Appreciate input from someone in the field! I agree, if i saw an ad like that pop up Id laugh it off and think it was ridiculous, Id rather ignore ads on sports than on counseling.

[–]ScarletNumbers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's funny because it is true

[–]Ivetakenthepill 79 points80 points  (14 children)

Top thread on Askmen: "What is the worst pizza topping and why is it pineapples?"

I can see how I'd learn a ton there

[–]fyreNL 1 point2 points  (9 children)

Well, pizza Hawaii does suck.

Then again, that's miserably low for a sub that's got nothing to do with it.

[–]happy_fart 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Woah, hold up. I'm from Hawaii and actually live in a pineapple plantation town. We are surrounded by pineapple. I fucking hate pineapple on my pizza. It's an abomination.

[–]fyreNL 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you, you get it!

Pineapple is really nice though, but... You don't put that shit on a pizza. I fucking love couscous as well, but people throw peaches and stuff in it, or south african Boboti with apples. I mean, why? What the fuck why?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

it's a great compliment to ham

[–]CrashXXL 3 points4 points  (2 children)

No it's not. It's disgusting and anyone who likes it should be shot.

[–]Nay2003 0 points1 point  (1 child)

screw u i love pineapple ham sausage pepproni pizza

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Hey guys, I found the east coaster!

pinapple on pizza is awesome, it makes the ham pop

[–]fyreNL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not from the US, Europe.

Technically i'm west coast on a different continent.

[–]ScarletNumbers 0 points1 point  (1 child)

To be fair, that's pretty funny

[–]Ivetakenthepill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure, and reddit has thousands of subreddits to accommodate for jokes. AskMen shouldn't be one of them. The fact that it made it to the top should be concerning.

Lost men looking for advice and ending up in a feminized trap is not funny.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Shrug. Have you been to RPW? Half the posts are stereotypical AWALTs looking for validation that they're not completely AWALT. Some even turn around and validate or defend the AWALT bullshit.

There's just not enough true RPWs posting there to hold back the AWALT yet, which is why it seems guys go in there and post some.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

The greatest part of reading RPW waa seeing first hand just how intensely and... Let's say "pragmatically" women objectify the value of relationships with men, while how much they struggle to give anything back of real value, even when much more self aware than the average female.

[–]1nonthaki 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Very few women in RPW accept RP philosophy , even though they only do it grudgingly .

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I have been thinking the same thing.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Ikr. I got banned there for a telling guy to stoo being a bitch and to dump his cheating bitch.

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (15 children)

Lol, askmen and askmenover30 are both women run, and I have been banned from both.

Pretty much any man in here will be as well. They are part of the hugbot network, and dead

[–]aanarchist 27 points28 points  (0 children)

one might wonder why a forum called ask men is run by women, but being trp means knowing the answer.

[–]cuteman 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Askmenover30 is even worse. The mod will ban you for even participating in this subreddit

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Can confirm.

Have no problem posting at AM, but AMo30 banned me for no reason at all.

[–]jaysire 6 points7 points  (1 child)

who feel the need to give men advice

Whoa, reverse mansplaining? Womansplaining?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Askmenover30 is worse. I'm banned from commenting on there because I'm associated with TRP

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I got banned from /askmen... For saying "men with gf or wife would still love to bang other hot females" and many beta bucks argue otherwise...

Joke

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 1 point2 points  (3 children)

A sub where you have female mods, even though it is "Askmen".

To be fair, the one female mod I am aware of is pretty level-headed.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

kind of like how the main spokesperson of MRA is girlwriteswhat.

It's not bad per-se, it is telling when you need a woman to direct male activity

[–][deleted] 107 points108 points  (24 children)

Something not to overlook here is that she was with him and ok with it while she was on birth control. Birth control has been shown to cause a woman to feel more attracted to those they are closer to genetically and find beta traits more appealing. Once off the birth control the original hardwiring kicks in and she goes back to normal.

[–]slay_it_forward 26 points27 points  (5 children)

I know from first hand experience. Had an LTR that was on birth control from age 16. After three years being together she went off it and started craving big alpha cock. I caught her sending friends pics of old alphas she's banged in the past. We were done within 4 months of her going off it.

Big difference between men and women is that men generally won't date women whom they don't have that primal desire for, whereas women will date a guy to fulfill her emotional / financial needs without being strongly attracted.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Big difference between men and women is that men generally won't date women whom they don't have that primal desire for, whereas women will date a guy to fulfill her emotional / financial needs without being strongly attracted.

I disagree, a lot of men get in relationships with women they don't fancy all that much. They get sucked into LTRs because they get used to easy pussy a comfortable life and a few years later marry her fat ass because she gilts traps him, a baby pops up or he simply decides they've been together for a long time so why not.

The majority of men settle.

[–]slay_it_forward 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Deadbedrooms is filled with men for a reason.

[–]SouloftheVoid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's why I take pride in the fact that I have always had and always will have standards.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Why did she stop taking it? My gf has been on it from the start of our relationship. She is vanilla as fuck in bed so getting her to come off it might spice things up a bit? Pregnancy scares though? I wouldn't care if she ran off as long as I got some good sex before it!

[–]slay_it_forward 1 point2 points  (0 children)

she thought it might be killing her sex drive...which was, because she became more feral when she came off it.

Make sure she sees you as alpha if you're going to suggest her coming off it. Could come back to bite you in the ass.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (12 children)

ALSO KEY TO NOTE THAT IF OP ACTUALLY GAVE A FUCK AND GOT IN SHAPE SHE WOULDN'T HAVE LEFT HIM. (maybe)

[–]Unripe_rp 50 points51 points  (1 child)

This... This should be the advice here. "Stop giving a shit about women and be the best you you can be". The rest falls into place.

This sub is devolving into too much "other-blaming" and jabbering about women as much as feminists do about men. All the energy you spend hating women is energy not spent improving yourself.

[–]MarvelousComment 14 points15 points  (0 children)

this

if you stop being attractive and feel entitled to keep someone you do find attractive, you're either stupid or don't know female nature

[–]slay_it_forward 4 points5 points  (6 children)

No, even if he got in shape it wouldn't have changed anything. Might increase her attraction marginally but not enough to keep her from divorce raping him.

[–]Mr_Andry 13 points14 points  (5 children)

Don't be absurd. Perhaps it would have changed nothing, but there's nothing like getting in shape to trigger a little dread game, and there's nothing like dread game to keep a woman interested and committed.

[–]slay_it_forward 1 point2 points  (4 children)

A guy that she had zero attraction for getting in shape isn't going to flip it around. He's not obese, he's a bit overweight.

[–]Mr_Andry 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Look up dread game. Learn it, live it. There is so much more to a woman's attraction than a guy's physique (though that is of course the starting point).

[–]OmegaMan2 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've used soft dread quite effectively. This along with amused mastery will usually keep your woman in line.

Be kind and be decent to your woman but ALWAYS be the MAN in the relationship.

[–]Flawless_17 5 points6 points  (1 child)

The difference between a bit overweight and in shape is huge. It's the difference between being essentially skinny fat, and actually having muscle tone, build and stature. Thats the difference between having an attractive body, and not.

It's the difference between her wanting your body, and not.

[–]slay_it_forward -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Some guys actually look worse when they lose weight. Look at Julien and Tyler from RSD. In shape skinny Tyler looks much worse than current out of shspe Tyler. Same for Julien. He's skinny now and just looks small.

I imagine something similar for this guy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's that and this as well

I just can't love him the way he loves me.

Right here. She will never love you the way you love her.

[–]circlhat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Being in shape has little to do with it, unless you are 300 pounds, you don't need a model body, honestly he was being beta

[–]beginner_ 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Thanks for saying this. I have always wondered if this is also at least partially responsible for the increased divorce rate.

Still, any TRP guy wanting to get into an LTR, never do it with a girl/women on the pill.

[–]stay_anon_stay_safe 0 points1 point  (2 children)

hm why not? my girl is going to start taking the pill because safety and no-condoms

[–]beginner_ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

because the pill changes hormones which can affect to whom she is attracted to. Once she goes of it, it changes back again. So if you enter an LTR with a girl that has been on the pill for all the time you know her and then she stops taking it, her attraction might change.

In your case it sounds different but no-condoms is very risky. She will get "accidental" pregnant in the next couple years. If that's fine with you go ahead, if you don't want kids, wrap it up.

[–]stay_anon_stay_safe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ah I see

She will get "accidental" pregnant in the next couple years

Knowing her, I'm sure she won't anytime soon, i'll reconsider it further down the road.

[–][deleted] 255 points256 points  (6 children)

Guess who's keeping the children.

And guess who's paying child support.

[–]Five_Decades 69 points70 points  (0 children)

They get financially rewarded for this behavior, why wouldn't they chase the tingles.

[–]pedler 55 points56 points  (0 children)

When a woman says she ´can´t stay in a relationship´, what she really means is that she can leave without any significant personal loss.

[–]stemgang 51 points52 points  (2 children)

Male privilege is paying your wife to kidnap your children from you.

But at least you might get to babysit them every other weekend, while she goes out to get railed.

[–]Lsegundo 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Fight for them. Things are changing slowly. I won 50% custody in court and have met other dads that also have 50%.

[–]Swallowed_the_pill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My parents had 50% custody each. Altough I'm pretty sure that's something they actually agreed on.

[–]Eastuss 168 points168 points [recovered]

My wife pretends she finds me attractive over muscular men, despite her saying she prefers chubby men she seems more attracted/ more sexually appealed by me since I lost fat and gained muscle.

Never believe women claiming they prefer non alpha looking bodies.

[–]mehdreamer 105 points106 points  (2 children)

Yes, that was my mistake.. My ex used to always tell me how she found my dad bod "cute"...and that I don't need to "waste" all these hours in a gym.

I believed her. One day...I saw her youtube history that she watched many videos about muscular guys and male models...she probably used as a masturbation material.
She of course dumped me few months after..

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[–]mehdreamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Still have work to do. I am around 15% BF. Still cutting to 12% BF, then bulking again to 15 BF%..reapeat till I get my wanted physique

http://imgur.com/a/q6cxt

[–]Oz70NYC 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Couldn't have said it better. On a physical level...strive to look your best IN SPITE of your old lady. Make her feel like she's the one who's lucky to have you, not the other way around.

[–]MrRaspberryJamz 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Watch what they do and never what they say.

TRP 101

[–]Eastuss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She's basically a sloth, hard to tell.

[–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (14 children)

In my twenties I used to pick up married chicks all the time.

Most common complaint? "He's just to fat"

[–]B055AN0VA 58 points58 points [recovered]

Amen to fucking married chicks. They fuck like there's no tomorrow.

[–]Wilreadit 44 points45 points  (7 children)

And they will keep their mouth shut, if they have kids.

[–]GC0W30 35 points36 points  (5 children)

The first man I got game advice from was a businessman in his 50's.

His first two pieces of advice were on approach technique and isolating her from friends. The third piece of advice is to switch over to only fucking married women once you get married, as the mutually assured destruction keeps their mouths shut.

God bless that man. He liked fat chicks... he used to day game across the street from a weight loss clinic in the donut shop. A guy sends his wife away to "adult fat camp" and my friend snaps her up while her willpower is depleted and she's breaking the rules to go get some sugar.

I don't approve of fucking fats, personally, but he was happy with his life...

[–]HughGlass1780 41 points42 points  (0 children)

he used to day game across the street from a weight loss clinic in the donut shop.

God damn that guy's game is almost scientific.

[–]sir_wankalot_here 23 points24 points  (0 children)

LMFAO, there should be a section for redpill comments tjat are hilarious but true.

while her willpower is depleted and she's breaking the rules to go get some sugar.

Brilliant reasoning.

[–]Wilreadit 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You do not have to choose fat. You can choose any of their insecurities. You just need to be good at thinking like a girl. Any girl who is trying to improve herself has a chip inside her telling that she is not good enough. You just give fodder for that and the chick will be eating out of your hand.

[–]Dustin_Bromain 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Woah. 24 year old male here. I want in.

[–]blue_screen_error 16 points16 points [recovered]

As the friend of a F/41 going through a divorce, here's what you do... Workout, get some sleeve tattoos, be artistic, have a nice smile, know how to dress for dinner and for God's sake don't take mirror selfies or wear sunglasses in your Tinder profile.

Date #2 is the sex date.

[–]the_calibre_cat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I just showed up for beer one night after commenting about how nice her ass looked. We fucked that night.

I still feel pretty terrible about it... But good God damn if it wasn't red pill truth after red pill truth being validated.

[–]failingtheturingtest 19 points20 points  (0 children)

You think that's bad. I used to tell myself I was happy with a dad bod.

That's the real crime here. Listening to what a woman tells you is a common mistake. But ignoring your own urge to be better, because you 'have so much else going on' or 'have so much to offer' is cucking yourself.

Who cares if she's happy with a dad bod, you're happier when your fit. You have better sex when your fit. Life is better when your fit. And you know it but keep making excuses.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (6 children)

Yup, mine claims she doesn't mind if I get fluffy during a bulk but the difference is night and day. Just 15 pounds of fat is the difference between a cold, nagging, disinterested woman and a submissive, sweet one who can't keep her hands off me.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Really? Why would BMI be SO important? Given your username I suspect you might be hamstering it...

[–]Swallowed_the_pill 3 points4 points  (3 children)

When you bulk you usually lose most of your definition, you face gets rounder and you're always slightly bloated. Less vascularity aswell.

Looking fit, after a certain point, is more about low body fat % than having as much muscle mass as possible.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I totally agree but it sounds like you're talking about very dirty bulks which is functional mostly to people on steroids, or at least that's what I heard somewhere on youtube...

[–]Swallowed_the_pill 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Never tanken steroids, buy I felt quite bloated during my last bulk. You feel a little fluffy. It obviously all depends on how hard of a bulk you go on.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

then don't overbulk please

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (14 children)

Thing is you don't even need to get yoked. Just be low body fat and pussy just gravitates towards you

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (13 children)

Nah, men have to have solid shoulders. Shoulders on a man are like hips on a woman. It's weird when you don't have them.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 15 points16 points  (12 children)

Yup. shoulder to hip ratio is a very important factor in male attractivness.

I'd even go so far as to say that it matters more than bf%, although a good ratio combined with low bf will basically put game into easy mode.

[–]aanarchist 4 points5 points  (10 children)

what's a guy fucked in the genetics department supposed to do for an ltr? i can blast her with short term attraction when i'm in state but long term not so much.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Play the cards you've been dealt and play them in the best possible way.

[–]aanarchist 2 points3 points  (5 children)

collect money and only do 3 weeks at most per relationship, then at 35+ go find some foreign woman to have family with.

[–]GC0W30 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Foreign women is a bullshit unicorn solution.

They'll be infected with western feminist-wife logic a few minutes after they get off the plane and within two years they'll be close to where a conventional domestic housewife is.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 0 points1 point  (3 children)

[–]aanarchist 0 points1 point  (2 children)

That's funny as hell, but also really sad. We're kinda fucked.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 3 points4 points  (1 child)

There is still the option to live in their homecountries.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some chicks did a guy with an ugly face (weird, but think about all the rapper/thugs that make girls melt) but he's got to have the body to make up for it. Just build as much as possible, which guys should be doing anyway. Unless you're literally missing limbs there's no excuse. Given, the guy in the vid has a nice face and sympathy on his side.

[–]kayvaaan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People can't play the genetics card when pull ups, overheads, and power shrugs exist.

[–]Oz70NYC 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Couldn't have said it better. On a physical level...strive to look your best IN SPITE of your old lady. Make her feel like she's the one who's lucky to have you, not the other way around.

[–]Eastuss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that's the proper mindset! Do things for you and to make sure your entourage is proud of you. I've spent too much time in my life telling me that most people think I'm a homeless next to my gf.

[–]Sensei_Hensei 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This pretty much. A lot of women say they like chubby guys or some other body type other than the traditional muscular type that women have liked for centuries but listen to them talk about that celebrity that they fawn over and click on their follow list on social media. Once again gents watch their actions and ignore their voices.

[–]logicalthinker1 7 points8 points  (10 children)

They want the alpha body but also want a sensitive man at the snap of their fingers. They want it all

[–]GC0W30 32 points33 points  (6 children)

Same shit we want... the impossible.

I want a fit, high-income 10 that will be a great mother to my children, never get out of shape, and always be hungry for my cock when it's on offer to her. I also want her to still love me if I get broke, fat and sick.

They want the finest champagne at a Pabst Blue Ribbon price. We do too.

I get it, and I'm not mad. I'm just going to remember that the universe will give you anything you pay the effort to get... and that the universe requires you to pay in full up front to get it.

[–]logicalthinker1 3 points4 points  (2 children)

And I think the difference is that we know what we want and openly admit it. Women will never say what they truly want.

[–]Swallowed_the_pill 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Why should they though? They want the orbiters to give them validation, free stuff and favours. As long as they believe that women like chubby, "sensitive" and "nice" guys they will keep on orbiting.

[–]logicalthinker1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know. If I was a woman, of fucking course I would love all the attention. They make me think I'm hot shit just for simply existing.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

You believe in universal laws of reaping what you sow?

So if a man puts the effort to work out and become a physical alpha, he will get bitches? Is that what youre telling me?

[–]GC0W30 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So if a man puts the effort to work out and become a physical alpha, he will get bitches?

No. That isn't the whole cost of getting bitches.

Also, please stop overusing "alpha".

Being fit and attractive doesn't make you alpha. There are plenty of good-looking betas.

[–]the_calibre_cat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You believe in universal laws of reaping what you sow?

I do. "Reaping what you sow" is just another phrase for "getting the rewards of your efforts."

I do believe that effort, if it is made, is rewarded.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 1 point2 points  (1 child)

[–]logicalthinker1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha spot on. Incredible how every single one of those is true.

[–]Hyperian 6 points7 points  (0 children)

you know women do that because they want you to be less attractive to other women so they don't have to work as hard to keep girls from you.

and then if you actually do it then they'll eventually BE less attractive towards you.

[–]longbowfosho 6 points6 points [recovered]

I'm convinced that my soon-ex wife would feed me bullshit that would convince me to look worse on purpose.

"Why are you dressed up for this dinner? I think you look much better in sweats"

"Why is your hair fixed? I like it better when it's laying flat against your forehead"

I don't know if it's because me looking nice made her feel bad about her laziness or if she tried to make me look worse to be unattractive to others, but it always bothered me.

Now that I'm out of the marriage (she cheated) I'm having no problems getting female attention by doing exactly what she didn't want me doing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah my mom did the same shit. She told me I looked better with my long dry as fuck hippie hair and never wanted me to cut it. The second I cut it I went from a 3/10 to 7/10.

[–]Eastuss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, that's shit tests, and all of the women I've been with have been reproaching sudden efforts to be good looking.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"My wife pretends she finds me attractive over muscular men"

My GF said the same thing. Muscles gross her out apparantly. She tried to stop me going to the gym so I told her to piss off, I'll do what I want, and now she loves my thicker arms/body. AWALT my friends!

[–][deleted] 69 points70 points  (33 children)

This is why guys who brag about their job on here get a laugh out of me.

This is why you aren't your wallet. She gave him her terms, take em or leave em.

[–]kellykebab 22 points23 points  (14 children)

A job is more than a way to pay off an unhappy life. It's a way to compete and may be a means to develop a craft. You have to work to live, you might as well be ambitious and do something you can be proud of.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (13 children)

I'm taking about guys here who talk about their smv, I have a good job that pays 100k.

This is how they can end up

[–]kellykebab 5 points6 points  (12 children)

True, but in general a better job is only going to help attract women

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (10 children)

force multiplier, you need force first.

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (8 children)

I don't follow. What do you mean by force/force multiplier?

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (6 children)

Lets back it up.

think math.

Looks = 1 Personality = 1

Money = *.5%

if you have money, or looks, you make a 1 into 1.5. If you have both, you turn a 2 into a 3

but if you have neither, you still have zero

hope that illustrates what a force multiplier is

[–]kellykebab 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Not sure how that math works, but I get the concept now. That makes sense. Some guys pursue the bonus as if it's the whole package.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

it's illustrative, the numbers don't matter

[–]PedophileMurderer 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The numbers matter, unless you're incapable of high school level math

[–]GC0W30 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A happy relationship with a woman stems from sexual attraction/frame/manliness.

If you aren't sexy, the only thing she'll do is abuse you in order to extract resources from you.

If you are sexy/manly/dominant then having money opens up a larger pool of women to you.

That being said, only through being sexy/manly/dominant will you have the option of a healthy relationship with a woman.

Money is a force multiplier. Making 1/4 mill per year opens up more doors for you, but all doors that would make you happy were closed to you unless you were sexy/dominant/manly.

Broke hot dudes get laid for sex. Rich hot dudes can also get laid for sex. Broke ugly dudes don't get sex except from fat crazies with no other options. Rich ugly dudes can get sex in exchange for resources, but they never get good sex.

I like his force multiplier analogy.

[–]Wilreadit 2 points3 points  (16 children)

But you can score a lot of poon if you are rich enough. And being rich is a better option than being pussy sufficient.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (15 children)

go look at zucherberg, see what tail he pulls.

Rich = pussy is a falsehood, you'd do best not to hang your hat on that crutch

[–]slay_it_forward 7 points8 points  (0 children)

agreed. You can pay women to fuck you but that doesn't mean they want to fuck you.

Rich greasy arabs pay to shit on women. Does that mean these women are attracted to them? No.

[–]Wilreadit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well too bad he is a douche.

Look at Dan Bilzerian or the Aussie Candyman.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (10 children)

I'm disappointed in your argument actually.

Pulling Zuckerberg as an example, well I could give you https://www.instagram.com/p/BBwfcEcskfC/?taken-by=kim_dotcom&hl=de

Kim Dotcom. His wife is a 8 in my book, after kids. He's fat, bald, has no style, probably no game, yet is more of a man than me. Why? Because he is a cutthroat businessman, someone which I'm aspiring to be.

I work at a high-end nightclub and I see fat-ass people like Kim with supermodels all the time. I have a friend who goes on Dubai trips on the regular and Snapchats the fuck out of it everytime, bitches can't stop blowing up his phone.

So don't tell me about money=/pussy.

sure, it's not genuine desire for the cock, it's a desire for access to his money, but either way, it's pussy.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

sure, it's not genuine desire for the cock, it's a desire for access to his money, but either way, it's pussy

Yep, you got it all figured out. No need to waste any more of your time here.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

You got it all figured out then

Go getum tiger, waiting eagerly for your field report

[–]Mr_Andry 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Why in the world would you deny it? I mean, you won't have a good long term relationship with a woman by being rich, but with the tiniest bit of effort a wealthy man slays short term. Wealth gives a man like 3-4 points, at least.

[–]clear_lights 9 points10 points  (1 child)

$ is always a fucking touchy issue here because the majority of the people here don't really have "fuck you money" and having high income is considered "beta bucks".

But IMO, a wealthy chad will always be better than a broke chad. Why?

Because money can buy the most important fucking thing in the world: time.

This is undeniable.

[–]slay_it_forward -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Of course having money is better than not, but a rich beta is still a beta.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

In a sense he is right. It doesn't really matter if you make 100k a year or 500k. We're talking millionaires, that's where your SMV jumps significantly.

Either way, every man pays for pussy in his own way. Be it Kobe Bryant spending endless hours dribbling the ball to perfect his handles, be it Julien Blanc who's goal seemingly is to game every hot chick that is alive, be it that guy who made his company out of dust, working 80hrs a week.

Regardless, if you do something repeatedly, perfect it, become the best in that profession, you will swim in pussy. Hell I used to waste my time playing LoL, when I quit, the very best players literally made 10k a month, for playing a fucking game. And guess what, Gamer chicks dig them, therefore want to fuck them.

TRP gives you the freedom to choose how you spent your time and I've decided to spent it chasing cash. It's harder to die unhappy in your Ferrari.

[–]slay_it_forward 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, what you're saying is it's basically prostitution. Chicks will fuck a broke alpha behind a dumpster and moan in pleasure whereas the rich beta gets dried up starfish.

I'm after the former.

[–]DeathMetalDeath 0 points1 point  (1 child)

until you're like donald trump or scott adams. They get amazing.

[–]slay_it_forward 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When you're on Trump's level it's about his power, the ultimate aphrodisiac for women.

[–]jewishsupremacist88 34 points35 points  (0 children)

delete facebook, hit the gym..lawyer up

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 40 points41 points  (5 children)

"was never attracted"

The light switch. "I am not attracted now, therefore I was never attracted at all."

This is why everything a woman says is utterly worthless. There is no consistency and her words are worth less than the air into which they are uttered. Watch her behaviour instead.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Air is prettt valuable though

[–]BobbyJ91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. I got it even worse with my ex-oneitis who made me swallow the RP: "we never lived together" (even though we fucking lived together for 1 year, lel). That's some serious batshit solipsism.

[–]slay_it_forward 0 points1 point  (1 child)

She likely wasn't ever really attracted. In the beginning she was attracted to what he provided - comfort, resources, someone to take home to Mom / friends.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You give her far too much credit for positive thinking. Set the bar a bit lower.

[–]PaulAJK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The light switch. "I am not attracted now, therefore I was never attracted at all."

Yeah, that one jumped out at me too. He used to have a decent enough body, then he got skinny fat and she lost attraction.

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[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Or he should have been shredded already. He's going to be a weak balding blob for his wife and he-man for the new model? Lame

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

If I was already balding and in my 40s 30s with kids I would be on steroids yesterday.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Steroids are no fun, trust me. I used to be on cortisteroids for a health issue when I was a teenager and as well as making me feel almost as bad as the illness itself did, I would lose my temper a hell of a lot more easily, too.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Thats because most doctors dont give a shit about how you feel as long as they are getting the job done. I have been on and off and they are amazing if taken with a proper protocol.

[–]jmg83 0 points0 points [recovered]

Proper protocol or not, I doubt that will do anything for the rage problems.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

depends, the thing doctors mess up is that they will give you maybe 1 shot a week or every other week and the half life of the compound could be a few days so you end up with uneven amount of hormones in you throughout the week. This causes massive mood swings and basically turns your mentality into a hormonal teenager. I have never had anger issues, I actually have more anger issues when I am off because I stop making a conscious effort to control myself. Everyone is different though.

[–]afkb39sdfb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This guys is probably your typical redditor. He'll just play video games and turn completely unrelated posts into a discussion/comment about his depression. The number of people that do this is astounding.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, he should get shredded and stop giving a fuck about his ex.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 57 points58 points  (30 children)

If the man wasn't happy in his marriage, what would you suggest?

You criticise her for leaving him for not being happy. What should the man do if the roles were reversed.

I'm not a troll btw.

[–]10211799107 36 points37 points  (5 children)

I agree. Hypergamy is a fact. If you're a man with no ambition, no hobby, no frame, have a Dicaprio dadbod, watch football(American) and that's all you can talk about and no other interesting topics, and you don't do anything else with your life to improve, why do men like that expect women to love them? They love opportunistically, not unconditionally.

If a man was doing all the above shit and his wife was turning into a porky, didn't take care of herself and did absolutely fuck all around the house(my coworkers wife is like this, he does everything), everyone here would tell him to gtfo.

You have to be the best version of yourself. If you're a loser then this needs to be a lesson. It's sad but you have to learn the hard way.

[–]arrayay 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Everyone here would tell him to gtfo. Unfortunately everywhere he turned the rest of the world would be telling him is his fault.

[–]Dr_Frogstein 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This. This comment chain is bullshit. Societies expectations are radically different.

[–]yomo86 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Well nothing to love about but don't you know, you are to love your fat-ass girlfriend with the 2 kids from other men who lives on EBT because she is a straaawng independynt womyn who needs no men, right? It is that double standard. Both sexes need to be the best version of themselves.

[–]10211799107 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sadly, most men are capable of change. Women, I doubt 10% are capable.

[–]aanarchist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

being not a pussy pandering faggot who lives her life for the sake of keeping a woman interested in him is apparantly being a loser.

[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 27 points28 points  (6 children)

My dad has been unhappy ever since I can remember, but he stayed for us kids. They've been unhappily married over 45 years. But his sacrifice of his happiness is expected because he's a man.

When I left my ex, virtually everyone I talked to assumed that I just wanted a younger tighter piece of ass. Even the people who knew what a lazy slob she turned out to be. I wanted my kids to grow up in a better environment at least half the time, and so far that is working.

Women are allowed to be bored and destroy families, men had better have a damned good reason to be acceptable.

[–]AgAgAgBug 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wise man once told me its better to be from a broken home, than to be in one.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (4 children)

So you had kids with her? Or hypothetical kids you're talking about.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

While it's good the 'dont get married' crowd in here is hearing the message, they need to STFU more when divorced guys talk, especailly the RP ones. They are a wealth of knowledge.

Guy above me gets it. Learn

[–]Mildly_Sociopathic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"and so far that is working"

It suggests that his children are better off now than before, ergo yes he has kids. Real kids.

[–]jupc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My interpretation is real kids. He says it is working that they 'grow up in a better environment at least half the time.'

[–]soundsshemade 17 points18 points  (4 children)

The argument here is that a man would be able to rationalize his decision in the first place. He's not a superb physical specimen, it's likely that his wife isn't either. So he thought he could make a good relationship through other aspects of his character.

He's not even surprised by her decision because hes aware of his inadequacy in the looks category. However he loved her anyway and thought a relationship could be based on more than looks.

She showed that even though she loved him, even though hes a good person and husband, she wouldn't be able to make a relationship of this. She NEEDED the value of good looks in order to stick around.

The argument we're making here is that although our culture raises us to believe we can make long term loving bonds with each other based on shared values, cooperation, and commitment people who require instant gratification for their whims, cannot remain happy like this. They will abandon a relationship which meets the agendas criteria in search of one that fulfills their immediate desire for the best physical specimen. It doesn't necessarily have to do with the specific sexes in the example, just that the people we've raised are altogether too focused on their thoughts of doing better in shallow ways...and it does seem to be a pattern for one sex. ;P

[–]1empatheticapathetic 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That's a pretty great answer, cheers. She's got what she wanted out of him, now time to refill her tingles.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You're all so obsessed with physical looks. That's far from everything. It's a low hanging fruit for most and a pathway to confidence, but if you want to be with an interesting person you gotta be an interesting person yourself. Looks are just a small part of the story unless you want the most shallow and short-lived relationships.

[–]soundsshemade 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I believe I attempted to describe a situation where a wife agreed to marry a man she claims she wasn't physically attracted to and then a certain ways into said agreement, she decided she no longer could deal with that decision. I definitely think you're correct that had he possessed other redeeming qualities which outweighed his inadequacies she could have remained content.

Ultimately this scenario is worthless because we don't possess the data points to properly judge it. However, the message we are pushing is that marriage and happiness are not based on "being yourself" and playing house. And I think you'd agree based on your comment.

We are trying to start a societal wide discussion based around the idea that one has to BE desirable in order to remain attractive. And the reason this conversation must be had is because the zeitgeist says you can JUST be nice. It's disingenuous and cruel to raise people with this sort of understanding of reality and leads to situations like the one posted above.

Don't worry that we might be a little misguided in how we spread this message. That we might focus on looks, or "acting alpha", or anti-feminist ideals. If you think you can be more concise then you will be held up as a hero around here.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, can't agree more.

My worry is that TRP seems to have two themes: either trying to catch a lot of tail or trying to find healthy partners & relationships. I'm clearly on the second page of this, but can also see the reasons for pursuing the former. The problem is that the standard advice for win-the-tail is summarised as "pretend to be high value", and if that becomes the focus, rather than be(come) high value, it will necessarily spell disaster. Of course I don't mean financial value but rather that each man (just like each woman!!) has to provide an attractive package deal: Be a good person (solid values, in particular empathy is a big factos) with a sense of purpose/your place in the world (note: you don't have to be necessarily ambitious if you are satisfied where you are), decent mental and physical health (= eat healthy, work out, watch what you allow or keep in your head), and life prospects (= skills, career prospects, financial stability, ...).

More on each individual dimension is always better but if you lack the minimum on one of these you will have a hard time building a healthy relationship ever. You won't even be able to have a healthy relationship with yourself.

I see a lot of nonsense from TRP that basically reiterates PUA or NLP slogans. Simple messages that usually portray 'the other side' as not much more than a machine to be tricked or an animal that responds to a simple set of stimuli. Reality - real women - are not like that and anyone who sees it like that will have trouble being ever happy or satisfied. The stimuli often work and 'the other side' typically will have certain experiences & ways of thinking (just like 'this side'), but if that's all you think there is to gaining/maintaining a partner, or worse, all that you got to offer, then you're on the wrong track.

Sorry that was not meant to be preachy. I think you already agree with this, but here's to hoping that someone else might encounter it.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If the man wasn't happy in his marriage, what would you suggest?

As a man you are supposed to be in control of the relationship. You are the captain. If the ship is going in the direction of an iceberg, it's our responisbility to take the necessary measures to change the course and prevent collision.

Men are rather simple creatures and there are not many things which will make us really unhappy in a relationship up to a point where we consider bailing. We might slip and cheat, but htat alone is usually not a reason to quit for us. Sex and emotions are not necessarily connected for us. We could fuck the passed out women behind the dumpster without even knowing her, as opposed to women who need to feel some kind of emotional connection.

What do we need in a relationship? Just learn how to cook, become a dirty whore just for us and know when to leave us some space and we'll be yours forever.

So if I am unhappy in a marriage, I would need to find out, where the problem is and from theron have to fix it. That might actually mean fixing me first, by getting into shape and taking leadership, to enable my wife to look up to me, love me and feel attracted to me, so she actually wants to be the dirty cook whore who lets me do some of the shit I want to do.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It usually means fixing you first. Women don't jump from a moving train (BPD aside)

problem is, once a guy loses those wife goggles, once he builds back up, he may see her without thinking she is still that hawt little thing he started dating, and instead see an angry old woman, out of shape, unpleasant, and decide he can do better.

broken men don't pick themselves up enough, otherwise women wouldn't be so brazenly cunty, knwoing they are simply a 6 month gym membership away from trading them in

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

be pragmatic. Have an end state in mind, then seek professionals to best guide you to it.

expecting others to change is asking for failure.

[–]Calpis01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This. I was with my gf for three years. I wasn't realllyy sexually attracted to her compared to my previous gfs, but she was sweet, caring, if very introverted. The sex sucked (dead fish, no willingness to really do anything), but I felt very comfortable in the relationship. Only when the topic of marriage came up did I balk and seriously consider whether I can stay with a girl I wasn’t really physically attracted to for the rest of my life. So…yea I ran. I did the exact same thing as this woman did, except I didn’t go so far to marry and have kids. It goes both ways, if you don’t have any sexual attraction for your partner, she might as well be just a close friend, or sister. And now im with a hot 20 year old -_-|(my ex was 32) which comes with its own set of problems but the sex is good. Nothing is perfect, cant have everything in life, just figure out your priorities, there are always pros/cons to anything.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The point is not to criticise her for leaving. She's a woman and all women are like that. The point is men are told that women want a kind, sensitive man, but all they want is tingles. The point is don't make the same mistake as above.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (4 children)

It's critically important to emphasize this is his own dumb fault for being a fatass. From the sound of it, he's not that bad naturally but he's fat and lazy. Plenty of balding men are considered very attractive, you just have to be Bruce Willis and not Danny DeVito.

[–]jmg83 12 points12 points [recovered]

In Danny Devito's defence, he was dealt a shitty hand as far as genetics are concerned

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Danny Devito has 'potential' to look like a chiseled god; nothing is bad about him facially besides being a fat fuck. He actually has a good face under all that fat. https://assets.rbl.ms/5886016/980x.jpg

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Even if Danny took care of himself, he's basically a pube's length away from being a dwarf. plus I imagine weight distributes itself differently on a guy that size.

[–]ecosci 9 points10 points  (3 children)

What do i always say about the 2-5yr timeframe were she cheats or get bored being fat has nothing to do with it the guy shes banging has many flaws im sure but he has a shitload of confidence and alpha traits she will always leave for a more dominant male is how you sum it all up in shape or outta shape.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 18 points19 points  (2 children)

I love how your comments have zero grammar in them. They're always great comments but the lack of grammar is hilarious.

[–]chiefbl 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I reread the comment numerous times and still couldn't understand his point.. Tried adding punctuations where it deemed appropriate but still nothing. Care to give his main point?

[–]1empatheticapathetic 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Haha he's saying: Women get bored of the guy within 2-5 years and start looking at other options. Although the husband is unattractive, the main reason she wants to leave is because of his lack of alpha traits. The guy she may be cheating on him with isn't perfect, but he's probably a lot more alpha than the husband, and women will always go for that option, regardless of the physical fitness of either male.

[–]ElHombreG 10 points10 points [recovered]

I don't feel bad for guys like this. She told him straight up she wanted him to work on his body. You should also never stop investing in yourself. Being married is no excuse for letting yourself go. Normal BMI don't mean shit. Balding? Shave that shit off. Weak men make me sick.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Amen! He's a guy who doesn't know what he wants and therefore isn't getting it.

[–]crimsonkodiak 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't feel bad for guys like this. She told him straight up she wanted him to work on his body. You should also never stop investing in yourself. Being married is no excuse for letting yourself go. Normal BMI don't mean shit. Balding? Shave that shit off. Weak men make me sick.

2 things:

1 - You're completely right about it not being an excuse. The amount of time it takes in the gym it takes to stay in reasonably good shape is ridiculously small.

2 - Regarding weak men making you sick, be glad that they exist. They make it that much easier to look good by comparison.

[–]Katavasis 9 points10 points  (1 child)

See, folks? She just isn't haaaaaaaapy. Sufficient justification for bulldozing a marriage and children, right? This is seriously how women think.

I have to point out that if they didn't have childern,i would not blame her AT ALL. She just followed her instics,just like men do.

[–]afkb39sdfb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, if I was married to a woman who let herself go like the OP did and we had no children I'd bail too.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

He says half a decade as if 5 years is that long of a time. Time for him to stop beyond a pussy, cut his losses and go improve himself.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

If marriage, on average, gives a man a 50% chance of being divorce raped, getting married when you're not jacked and rich with a 8" cock is like walking into the 'hood at night with a bag of money in your hand and a "rob me" sign on your back.

[–]mehdreamer 12 points13 points  (2 children)

If you start an LTR with a girl..the first thing you have to ask her is to stop taking the pill for birth control...for few months and see how it goes..

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's risky as hell though! Don't want bitches getting pregnant!

[–]Returnofthemack3 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is why I hate the people who say 'game and personality is everythigng, even if youre subpar' or some such variation. It's not and it will never be, so don't fucking delude yourself. Lift, groom well, lose weight, and do whatever else you can to increase your aesthetic. It's important, very important, and it will never be unimportant. If you have 50 lbs to lose, lose it and play the field, don't pretend it wont matter

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I mean, if I wasn't happy in a relationship I'd bounce too. don't say it like it's a bad thing. what is fucked up is that these bitches shouldn't have started a relationship in the first place if there was no attraction.

[–]willbabysit4ketamine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed, yet a lot of guys in that thread mentioned letting themselves go after getting in a relationship, and it was actually pretty cool that the girl from the OP was straight with him. Probably still a betafag, but it does sound like he learned something.

What's hilarious is the one girl's comment that says, "It doesn't matter what a guy looks like as long as he's not unfuckable."

Like she's trying to convince herself she only cares about "personality" but immediately follows it with a disclaimer saying that looks do matter as there's a minimum threshold to pass.

[–]Docbear64 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I read this shit and it makes me want to go pump and dump somebodies ungrateful bitch all over again . The sense of entitlement is inconceivable to me . Good luck to this dude it sounds like he's at the intro steps for taking the pill , the next chick he gets he will be attracted to but hopefully he takes notes and starts improving his SMV too ..... Happy angerphase thanksgiving everybody !

[–]xytrooo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

the whole redpill marriage concept is an expensive prospect that will always underdeliver, unless society economically rewards it, but then it never ends up being about sex or love or whatever. just being a replicator. your society is likely not to support this kind of thing by giving incentives to the man so you either run away if its that bad or not marry at any age.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I can't be the only one who actually feels sorry for the women in these situations. Not as much as the men, but they've been victimized by social conditioning too.

She was goaded by Disney and her family and peer pressure into believing in the "get a husband" fantasy. I doubt she PLANNED to fuck up a marriage and kids. But the guy gets lazy, he's stressed at work, putting on weight... what, she's just supposed to tolerate that?

[–]TheLaughingRhino 4 points4 points [recovered]

She wanted to be intimate with me but "in a different body" ... but at least she admitted my face looked "okay."


This is simply cruel. No reason ever to dig down that low to resort to pure cruelty. If you want out, get the fuck out and leave.

My guess why she said it? She can now openly resent him for her OWN BUYER'S REMORSE.

She did not love him, she never loved him, she only was attached to what he represented to her and how she felt about herself given the specific time and place. Even if he was shredded, even if she stayed, her base character is the problem, not her level of attraction for him. And not his fitness level.

The lesson here? If you have to leave or want to leave, on either side, there is no reason to be cruel. You can be firm, hold frame, walk away and not basically shank someone's entire world along with the rest of the damage inflicted.

And this is the hard part of guys, and guys have to do it save themselves, guys mostly just find the prettiest girl that will have sex with them and say Yes and roll with. The hard road is walking away, knowing the woman there doesn't really love you and is not attracted to you, but wants you for some other bullshit reason.

[–]1SeemedGood 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Women are naturally cruel in a way that most men will never be able to understand. In the quiet of the night, when you've handled your business, held your frame, and have total psychological control, the more self-aware women will admit to their inner cruelty. The more well grounded of them will even admit to being embarrassed and/or afraid of how cruel they can be. I actually believe that that inner cruelty lies at the core of women's deepest insecurities - it's that inhuman.

It is part of our task as men (if you are in a relationship) to help the women you are in an LTR with become conscious enough to overcome that cruelty and by doing so improve herself. Of course, you will only be able to do this if you are handling your biz correctly. If you are not (as in this case), you will find yourself the subject of her cruelty.

[–]Conceited-Monkey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I see this so often. You look at a lot of fucked up relationships and you find a woman who rationalized her way into picking a safe option, only to find herself unhappy. Shortly thereafter, affairs, and divorce rape ensue.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just got out of the gym and you want me to go back? Well it closed as I was leaving so tough luck.

[–]purplecabbage 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Stayed because we have children and I thought it was the right the to do... but I can't put my life on hold anymore and we're not showing them an example of a healthy relationship.

See, folks? She just isn't haaaaaaaapy. Sufficient justification for bulldozing a marriage and children, right?

Actually this is exactly what I'm going through now. The shoe is on the other foot and I can't stand to be with her anymore. Be careful kids: swallowing the red pill will change your life.

[–]noobonyoutube_ 3 points4 points  (1 child)

This is why you don't date a girl on the pill, or if you do you don't date her for too long

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

These guys weren't doing the things that generate attraction. Probably let the wife lead. They should have read some Athol Kay.

[–]LOST_TALE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

so women eject children and man care for them

[–]FemaleHiddenMouth 2 points2 points [recovered]

...wow...fucking sad...leaving a person because of superficiality...what a fucking good for nothing c*nt. Appearances fade, and if a person doesn't take this into consideration before marrying someone, they're impaired. ''I can't sacrifice my own happiness anymore.'' what a revealing statement, let's all congratulate this saint for her selfless act of pretending to love a man for 10 years. ...I honestly don't know how you males do it. I imagine being a male sometimes...during the day (washing laundry, doing dishes, cooking dinner etc) and i just don't know how you do it. How do you put your full trust in a female? How do you know that that particular female isn't going to fuck you over in the end? I've heard about the Red Pill a few times before but have never visited...You have many valid points...i must commend that. ( my username isn't a reference to a vagina...it's a reference to silent hill)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"I feel that... I felt like... It feels as if..."

Dude. Think, don't feel. Women have a universal social insurance policy that allows them to act based on emotions with few consequences (like destroying her family because she wants to be a slut again). Men don't have that luxury and because of that, for the most part, our emotions are our enemies.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hollywood is much to blame for this, constantly selling the idea that you always deserve happiness. If you aren't happy, something is wrong, and the end justifies the means to fix it. Humans like all animals suffer most of their lives and a lot of life is just passe and a lot of it is a miserable slog. There are moments of happiness too and those are what make them so special, and make us ambitious enough to strive for. In the past families did this much more. You aren't perfectly happy, ok, but what about the marriage contract you agreed to? What about the kids? What about the other person. Now we have every movie, TV show, and Dr. Phil hack telling women they "deserve" to be perfectly happy. It's an unrealistic pipe dream meant to break down the civilization and keep people buying things in pursuit of happiness. Red pill men kind of know this intuitively. Are you happy getting up at 5 am to go to the gym? Are you happy running errands when you could be sleeping? Are you happy reading this stuff instead of watching Fast and Furious 17? It's ok though because she believes she will find a new soulmate on Tinder.

[–]FrostyGoingHisOwnWay 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A huge amount of sexual attraction comes from novelty as well, you're less attracted to the same person over time simply because the stimulus you get in your brain becomes repetitive and numb. It's the same with any stimulus whether that be physical, emotional or even chemical, take the same drug a lot and you need more for the same high.

I'm not convinced LTRs and certainly marriage are possible, evolution sculpted humans to be attracted to one another and to pair bond to last enough time to fuck and have kids which is why the honeymoon period ends around 1-3 years. The idea being you then pair bond with your children to protect them.

What happens after you have children is completely unaffected by evolution, you only get improved traits that directly assist with reproducing your genes, which is why in the "natural" world people died at ~30 due to a tooth infection. Evolution doesn't make teeth that last 30 years, they last long enough for you to fuck and pass on your genetics. The same way the mechanism of love and attraction are just good enough to make you do the same thing, and nothing more.

Which is what makes the idea of a LTR beyond the attraction phase spurious at best, you can be as fit as fuck and your partner is going to want to wander after that peak attraction is gone, it's a chemical reality.

[–]soadaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The same thing is currently happening to my mother and step-dad, she's already confided in me how unhappy she is. Told me she feels incredibly bad about it but she doesn't want to continue to be happy.

So now I'm waiting to see if he's going to be a roommate with us, or if my sister and I will have to contribute to make up with the difference. Also I'm curious what my mom will do since she's working a cushy 20 hours a weeks.

[–]Megumiqq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My mom always told me you should always work on yourself and want the best for yourself that way the person you love, so they won't get distracted along the way and forget who they fell in love with. She is a great mom and a wonderful wife. My parents has been together for 24 years now.

With that being said, Yes physical appearances matters to a certain extent , but confidence and determination I feel would be more important than looks. You wouldn't want to be in a relationship with a significant other who lacks confidence and gives up.

[–]orezavi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TL;DR: Women can pretend to be attracted to beta males for the safety and security... but it never lasts.

Once the kids are old enough to fend for themselves and daddy can pay off their tuition fees its time to bail. Kids will still love their mother. If they don't, still fuck it.

[–]Orobek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No man has ever lost attraction to his wife and left her for it?

[–]Ifuckinglovepron 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well at least the thought of expectation vs reality on the second example is funny. I am sure that as a post wall single mother of two, the world will just be waiting to provide happiness, lol.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women DO want a friend there, but this comes back to the basic duality. It isnt enough. They want an obedient forever friend, but also an exciting alpha man. Being both is hard work. Ive chosen to go for the fun side.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is not the real reason for their dying attraction.

As it is often said women can 'love' you for different reasons.

At one moment in their lives they need a good provider to make children. Once the children are old enough that she can take care by herself or that she makes enough money that beta bucks are no longer needed, she doesn't feel in love anymore.

They use you then dump you. And it is even nowadays socially accepted.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sexual maternal altruism is a joke among the human species and that feminist ideal of "manhood" is the pun.

Don't be a pun. If you want to believe in altruism, create it- be altruistic. Expect every other living sentient thing around you to be a greasy, slimy and instinct driven sort of moral amoeba. When you are proven wrong, embrace the pleasant surprise and take it as a cue from the universe to explore deeper things. Some of us learn morality standards through a different lens- and that makes the universal beauty of it all the more precious.

[–]anihilistlol 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not the best looking guy, I'm a little overweight by appearance standards (but I technically have a BMI in the "normal" range now) and I'm balding.

I can't blame her for losing attraction. Sounds like he's overweight and didn't take care of himself. The real lesson here is to hit the gym and take care of your hygiene.

Your feelings and kindness aren't going to build attraction.

[–]victor_knight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Duh. Yeah... looks matter. Every guys knows that but then is brainwashed by society to think otherwise. It makes you wonder what else we've been brainwashed about, doesn't it?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What a dumb beeetch. What the hell

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That dude mentioned how he "feels" an awful lot...similar to language I hear from a lot men below 40 years old. Looks like those feminist (uh-hem) cultural Marxists infected his brain. If you're a guy feminising your thoughts and making them into effiminate feelings, you're probably a giant beta cuck. Weeeeeeeee

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whenever a bitch brings to marriage remember this.

To her, marriage isn't forever it's a glorified LTR. That's it.

So why get involved when you know there is a high chance she will leave you and take your shit?

'Marriage is stupid. It's like chopping off your dick because your ass itches. It makes less sense than that once the pain of losing your cock at least distracts you for a while.

[–]Trengingigan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hate to say this, but I have to admit I'm quite relieved sometimes that Islam, with its strict family law system, is slowly conquering our Europe.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly both parties are at fault here and have understandable points. After having some bad experiences myself and having been eye blasted by TRP horror stories I honestly believed every relationship that went slightly beta, low value or physically unattractive would fail within two months.

Entering a new relationship meant I was prepared with my revolver fully loaded as soon as week 8 came around because that's what I was used to. That's what happened to me, that's what I read on TRP, that's the stories I heard.

I went completely overkill on SMV, frame, masculinity etc. It stunned me completely when nothing had happened after half a year. There were zero red flags that the girl was planning to hike it out. Of course this made me even more paranoid and I doubled down on being ready to draw blood.

Simultaneously multiple relationships I had predicted would fail and blow up quick lasted longer than a year or more. The world didn't make sense to me. One bad experience, couple of flaking girls and a whole lot of negative stories on TRP had made me jaded about how maintainable relationships actually are for multiple years.

That's the moment I freaked and realized I wouldn't be rid of this girl for a long time. That I had entered the relationship under the presumption it would blow up. And that my real intentions were to just keep her plate spinning. I found that I cared absolutely nothing for that girl despite all her great qualities and looks. She was probably the hottest girl I've ever had. The old me would never have understood what I did next.

What I'm trying to say is to not base your expectations of what relationships are like by only reading bad shit and remembering the bad shit. Yes, by doing so you ace the shit tests and you keep her attraction strong. But you also end up bonding zero with that person.

tl;dr At the end of the day I found myself with a girl that had bonded with me, investing her time and foreseeable future in what she believed would be a life together

Meanwhile I was standing guard with my RP 'high SMV'-rifle™ waiting for the shit to hit the fan. To busy to invest even one percentage of emotion in this girl. I lied and lied to her when she asked me if I loved her. Figuring she would cheat and monkey swing to some guy anyway. I treated the relationship like a football game. This was 60 minutes of hard mental brawling for me. And it would end in W and I'd get to go home afterward.

Then I realized this girl was for real. Nothing bad had happened for months. She seemed to be enjoying herself allot actually. That's when I realized I wasn't enjoying myself. That I didn't love her the way she loved me (sound familiar?)

Two days later I broke things off and never spoke to her again. She was devastated but I honestly couldn't care. It's as if she was never part of my life to begin with. Just some TRP test case I hoped would blow up and test my Alpha frame.

I hope you read through all of that because I think allot of people on this board need to hear the ugly truth. The truth that some relationships are actually meant to last.

[–]nilco -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How about this OP. DONT go lift, instead stop putting women on pedistals and alpha up. Dont have your entier life be about women and getting laid. Life for yourselves and not for women to find you attractive.

Go lift if thats what YOU want. DONT EVER lift or do something else because it will help someone else find you acceptable. STOP conforming to the norms and traditional socity, be alpha, be self sufficient dont ever live your life for the pussy of women.

Women controll sex. Stop fucking them on their terms and learn to live without sex. Live for yourselves.

[–]Wilreadit -4 points-3 points  (6 children)

REDPILL for DUMMIES:

  1. If you are unmarried, do NOT marry [or commit in any form]

  2. If you are married, cheat secretly [and prepare your engines so that if you are left standing at the kerb you still have options]

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (5 children)

What a fucking douche. There's a difference between being a real man and a scumbag.

[–]Wilreadit 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I guess you are married. Figures, fucking loser.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I'm not. But I have basic human decency. Having boundaries is different to being an absolute cunt.

[–]Wilreadit 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What is worse than being married to a cunt?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Explain the difference please