Men's RightsA male birth control trial was cancelled for being unsafe to men. Feminists beta-shame and find a way to make it all about themselves. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz


One man was rendered infertile, and another eight were not back to normal sperm counts after a year. Based on these results, WHO deemed the study unsafe and promptly cancelled it.

Because feminists are capable of making anything about their two favorite subjects, themselves and man-hating, feminists promptly made this all about themselves and man-hating. For example, here's a "comedian" calling men "little bitches" for backing out, despite the fact that it wasn't the men who backed out, it was WHO because the fucking study was unsafe. http://archive.is/lGc5v

If you've been on Facebook at all over the past day, I'm sure you've seen details of this already. Mostly it's women complaining that "we have to deal with these side effects all the time!" and "well they should just man up and accept the mood swings!" They were. 75% of the participants were fine with the side effects and were willing to continue the study regardless. It was not their decision to cancel the study - it was WHO.

I'm just putting this out there because I'm annoyed with all these fucking cunts and their anti-man yammerings. If you need to drop any red pills to shut them the fuck up, that Heat Street article is a great resource.

[–]NeckbeardVirgin69 183 points184 points  (40 children)

I have to say, I noticed this myself. I don't really like when people try too hard to come up with women-bashing shit, but this is legitimate.

About 95% of the articles were attempts to equate male birth control to female birth control, and that's apples to oranges. They have nowhere close to the same method of action.

The study was stopped because the symptoms encountered by the men were deemed too serious from a medical standpoint. A large majority of the men participating in the study said they would take the birth control, as it was, if it were prescribed.

[–]SpacePotatoBear 46 points47 points  (16 children)

the study wasn't stopped. it ran its course, and they are compiling their data and publishing their findings.

no birthcontorl is perfect and many have side effects, they're finding those side effects

[–]VPride1995 14 points15 points  (9 children)

Jumping to conclusions here but male birth control sounds like hormonal castration to me. I have done no research but I can't see how this wouldn't have negative effects on test levels and overall well being.

[–]RedPillandNoFap 9 points9 points [recovered]

Google "Vasalgel" and check out this and also this.

With perfect use, condoms prevent pregnancy with 98 percent success, according to the World Health Organization. Typically, however, the rate of unintended pregnancy with condoms is around 15 percent.

Consider that the only current option for men to ensure that they are not fathering children they do not want, is to have a procedure to sever the vas deferens via vasectomy. Possible side effects, although low risk, can include loss of sexual function. Many vasectomies are not reversible.

Male birth control is essential to men's rights. Feminists despise the idea because they know divorce rape and bloated child support numbers would drop, stymying their agenda. Men need access to viable birth control, and especially Vasalgel. A woman's right to choose is only just if it includes a man's right to deny reproduction in the first place.

[–]TedTheAtheist 2 points3 points  (4 children)

There's also the "clamp", which is less invasive and free if done at Planned Parenthood.

[–]RedPillandNoFap 7 points7 points [recovered]

Both methods involve severing the vas deferens, one method ties, the other uses tiny clips to stop flow through the vas deferens. The non-incision method uses small punctures. Both methods are medically intended to be permanent and neither is guaranteed to be reversible.

Vasalgel is still, by far, the better option for men.

[–]TedTheAtheist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No, the clamp is easier to reverse.. not intended necessarily to be permanent.

Also, there is this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3385604/End-vasectomy-New-implant-allows-men-turn-fertility-flick-switch-inside-scrotum.html

[–]quartersndimes 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'm really actually suprised at the number of you guys in here that want your birth control revesable, I just had my vasectomy done... today's day and age why would you ever give a woman that kind of control over you.

[–]SpacePotatoBear -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

This one is, alter horomons to suppress sperm count.

before you do any male birth control you should freeze you little guys.

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'd be worried that the way it works is make it so you can't get it up.

[–]SpacePotatoBear 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that could also be the case, hence why we need trials, we need to find the pros and cons, so when such a product comes to market, the cons and minimized, and the user is made fully aware all aspects of the treatement so that they can choose for them self.

Its not like condoms and female birth control are out the window either, but more options is a definite plus.

[–]NeckbeardVirgin69 5 points6 points  (5 children)

[–]SpacePotatoBear 30 points31 points  (3 children)

yes I am, many people are just repeating the same headline despite it being false. These are clinical trials, they have done their first trial, publishing initail findings, and gathering more.

The same headline is being published everywhere despite being false, see gamergate for why just because its on a news site, doesn't mean its false.

[–]NeckbeardVirgin69 8 points9 points  (2 children)

You're right, but the actual study is pretty much irrelevant here because we're talking about the media's reaction to the studies.

[–]SombraDK -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Yeah, we are just talking about how the media is a drama queen (muh patriarchy) and not about twisting the truth for their own means. So let's just ignore the study.
Not white knighting or anything, just pointing your logic fallacy to prove your point.

[–]NeckbeardVirgin69 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You say you're calling me out on a logical fallacy, but I haven't drawn any improper conclusions.

What matters is the agenda that the media is pushing, which is clearly anti-male in this scenario. The fact that they lied to try and push this agenda isn't really anything noteworthy.

[–]Moneyley 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haven't even clicked on your link yet.... just reading it pisses me off and is a perfect example of how feminist propaganda influences articles.

nixed-after-men-CANT HANDLE- side effects.... FUCK the writer!

The same article for a woman would be a link like: pill-nixed-after-several-women-fall-dangerously-ill-from-deadly-side-effects

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (16 children)

Some women are twisting it, yes. But I've seen a lot of women, even on female based subreddits, who called them out on it hard. So that's good. Most of those posts twisting the study around get flooded with comments such as "someone obviously didn't read the article and is trying to satisfy their agenda." So at least there are women who understand the people who twisted it were full of shit. That's just the posts I've seen thus far, however.

[–]FriedHayek 5 points6 points  (15 children)

Some women are twisting it, yes. But I've seen a lot of women, even on female based subreddits, who called them out on it hard.

I hope to see more of this issues in discussions. I love seeing harpywomen bash on men, when they feel the right to do so. And when women with brothers and boyfriends bash back on this, because they have love in their hearts for men.

Issues like this one, they make it easier to spot which women must be ignored and which women men should start conversations with.

[–]NrthnMonkey 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"And when women with brothers and boyfriends"

Or women who understand in their own right, that the media's stand point is illogical.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (13 children)

It's definitely ridiculous the way they're bashing on the study. I don't think they realize that a study for a new drug, and changing a drug that already exists on the market (and was created in the 50s?) is totally different. I wouldn't want to take a pill in 2016 that made me infertile. And if they can better the effects, why not? I mean, this could only lead to good because I don't think they realize this could spark a discussion to better the side effects of women's birth control as well. So what harm is it honestly doing? Plus, the facts aren't even right most of the time. The study was pulled, they're just trying to better it. 75% of the men said they would be okay with using it!

[–]FriedHayek 1 point2 points  (11 children)

75% of the men said they would be okay with using it!

Those men are morons, if they aren't aware of how much infertility matters. What if you do want to have a kid?

The study was pulled, they're just trying to better it.

Fortunately, they who did the study understand the severity of what male infertility means, for both men and in turn for society.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (10 children)

If I'm remembering correctly, they said they'd be okay with using it if it were improved, so I'd assume that means if the infertility side effect was eliminated. It's good that they're trying to better it and make sure those issues don't arise, so I'm not sure what you're point is, I agree with you?

[–]FriedHayek 0 points1 point  (9 children)

Male infertility is one of the worst things which could happen for the man and the economy he lives in.

Eunuchs are known to have no ambition whatsoever. 99% of the economy run and maintained by men who want to get laid, and by fathers who have families to feed. Hardworking men pay taxes like no one else do. Sterilization is thus a thing which neuters the economy as the man gets neutered. Working balls, working economy; Sterile balls, sterile economy. Therefore, infertile men are less than useless. And that explains why they pulled the study.

Every person with an ounce of understanding fear men getting permanently sterilized, because of this. Anything which causes infertility in males is disastrous, anything.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children)

Yes, infertility would be the worst thing to happen to a person. Hardworking people who pay taxes having no ambition would be disastrous. Men being sterile is awful, and women unable to have babies is awful. I'm not sure why you're under the impression that women don't make up almost half of the economy however, pay taxes, or also have families to feed? I'm not trying to derail or argue, I'm just curious where the source of that implication is coming from.

[–]FriedHayek 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Women don't pay taxes. Not as men do.

On a macro-level, women are a net negative in paying taxes. Women start paying taxes too late and stop paying too early, so women cost more nationally than they will ever give back, in taxes.

There is a saying that 'boys are men, when they give back more than they get'. There is no such saying about women.

The only thing men expect of women is to be mothers and wives and girlfriends. If you don't do that, you're doing something very wrong.

That's why women hate men 'going their own way', men not helping women, men being indifferent to the fates of women, men making women pregnant without caring for the child. Because women are that dependent on men. Because women need men.

Men don't need women that much.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

I'm sorry, I was asking for an actual source. What you've given me are more claims based on... what exactly? Everyone pays taxes to the government exactly the same, it does not differ. Sure, it may be different from poor--rich, but not between genders. An employer isn't taking more or less out of a man or a woman's income tax for the government. I still don't know where you're getting your implications. Are women only made to be wives, girlfriends, and mothers in your eyes? If that's the case, then we will have a very hard time having a constructive discussion, because I do not see women in that way. What do you call a single, young woman without any children? Is she just nothing to you? It sounds like you're deeming them as less-human. Just from your comments, you seem as if you don't appreciate them for anything at all. Is that correct?

[–]PrinceCupperbutt 6 points6 points [recovered]

Y'all to be fair... female BC, Mirena for example, has also been known to cause infertility.

I think y'all are missing the feminist argument altogether, not that I really agree with it. To make a coherent argument against their, you must actually understand what is being said.

What I gathered was that ULTIMATELY they were complaining that the bar is lower when it comes to "safety" for men/women. That infertility, mood disorders, etc. have always been a part of female BC, but trials go on anyways. Why is the risk of infertility ok for women, but not men?

[–]uncommonstupidity 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Different decades, different standards

[–]MyReddit6 6 points7 points  (2 children)

So glad this is posted here. Woke up and scrolled thru FB to see a bunch of people sharing...like wowww "life is so hard for women, men can't even handle it" or "wow what weak men"

I was tempted to comment, but didn't. My first instinct was to point out that that's a REALLY immature viewpoint. Further proof why women should not be involved in science or advisory committees of any kind - if their knee-jerk reaction is so biased and that rather than be concerned about the safety of the medicine or help improve the treatment, they'd prefer men suffer MORE.

Unbelievably childish mindset. Not mention...mood swings, muscle cramps, etc all come with the territory of having high estrogen - female biology 101.

Not to mention that yes, indeed its the WHO which is responsible for cancelling a study due to safety BECAUSE THATS HOW CLINICAL TRIALS WORK.

[–]forcevacum 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It was so hard to resist no commenting but you always have to remember the 53 laws.

[–]TrumpTruther 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I kept my "keyboard mouth" shut as well despite wanting to rip some people apart.

[–]anon1moos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

those "this is apples to oranges" studies aren't the ones getting pushed widely.

[–][deleted] 248 points249 points  (54 children)

After doing some research, I commented on one of those posts, apparently one guy killed himself during the trial and several men were sterile for far longer than they were supposed to be after the trial was stopped.

I got called a cunt and a rapist etc.

edit: thought I'd post some context

[–][deleted] 148 points149 points  (33 children)

Anyone else notice women will try to like flock and group-shame you? And they'll circlejerk and give props to each other while doing it as if that's supposed to break your spirit and deter you?

[–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz[S] 138 points139 points  (28 children)

Because they're heard animals. Ever see the line outside the lady's room?

[–]aazav 40 points41 points  (12 children)


Heard is something you used your ears to do.

[–]PartTimeZombie 8 points9 points  (11 children)

That's right. Herd. As in herd of chickens.

[–]Elodrian 4 points5 points  (9 children)

A herd of chickens is a 'clouder'.

[–]CypherWolf21 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Not true.

The collective noun for chickens is peep or alternatively brood. The collective noun for chicks (the birds) are a clutch.

Clouder is not even a word.

Clowder is the collective noun for cats.


  1. A clutch of chicks.
  2. A brood of chickens.
  3. A peep of chickens.
  4. A clowder of cats.

[–]fingerthemoon 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Bob - I was driving to work this morning and saw a flock of cows.

Dave - You mean herd.

Bob - Heard of what?

Dave - Herd of cows.

Bob - Of coarse I've heard of cows.

Dave - No, a cow herd.

Bob - I don't care if a cow heard, I didn't say anything I shouldn't have.

[–]CypherWolf21 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Can't trust them cows. They're all full of bullshit.

[–]Pako21green 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You mean literal cows, or are we back to talking about the feminists?

[–]Elodrian 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Curse you Centipedes, and your constant 'fact-checking'!

[–]CypherWolf21 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Is that a nimble navigator joke or am I missing the reference.

[–]PartTimeZombie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, I learned somthing today

[–]GrandpaLeiho 59 points60 points  (8 children)

This here is why I am against genders sharing of bathrooms.

[–][deleted] 19 points19 points

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[–]JohnnySkidmarx 18 points19 points  (4 children)

I will go outside and pee in a bush before I share a bathroom with women.

[–]maniclurker 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Really? I honestly couldn't give a fuck less... they better not use it as an excuse to get rid of urinals in public bathrooms.

[–]CQC3 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Doesn't matter, gonna start pissing on toilet seats.

Passive aggressive or diabolical mastermind?

[–]maniclurker 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You'd have to sacrifice shitting at work to pull it off. I'm not sure if I could. That's where I get some of my best redditing done!

[–]CQC3 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If it's one thing I've learned from Reddit is just how many people are fucking off at work on Reddit. A lot of these office jobs are just pretending to be busy.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I live in a frat house; after parties the bathrooms are often trashed. One time we restricted the bathrooms to only women and, if they needed, brothers. Dudes could fuck off and piss outside somewhere.

The bathrooms were of course still trashed, like toilet paper thrown all over the walls among other things. Drunk women will wreck a place like that just for fun and with no regard to the fact that people live in that house and need to clean it up after

[–]cosine88 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The line is mostly just because urinals are way faster

[–]kanyewost 6 points7 points  (0 children)

LOL true even funnier example, go see an instagram photo posted by a chick

EVery single time the comments will be 5-10 of her friends saying the same shit they don't mean like "Beautiful" "Hot" "Slay" ie. Sheep "bah,bah,bah"

Herd animals they are

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wish they were unheard animals, but I digress, the word you're looking for is herd.

[–]aazav 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It's a "feel=good as we jump on the bandwagon and get our two cents in because the pack is against him already" type of bullshittery.

Herd mentality jumping when they are safe to spew bullshit and not suffer any consequences.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is the misandry bubble. Never forget that they do this or that this happened to you. One day you'll be dealing with a post-wall woman throwing herself on your sympathy to try and get your high SMV dollars to support her worn out cock-ridden body. That is the point at which you look back at how women treat you when they are "winning" and you laugh to yourself inside.

[–]The__Tren__Train 26 points27 points  (0 children)

The man-hating feminists...and the beta white knight who will do anything for a whiff of Pussy

What were you expecting?

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Lol, how does one "talk over women" on a text based medium?

[–]Tacotuesdayftw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even in spoken debates that is such a childish complaint. They aren't interrupting you and speaking over you because you are a woman, they are doing it because they know how to win a verbal argument. It is literally a debate technique, and they complain that they can't handle the mind games.

This is what happens when you consider yourself a victim of everything I suppose.

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (3 children)

What a bunch of wusses. Now, if it had been a trial for women, and a woman had killed herself and others had their fertility affected, they would totally have sucked it up and never once complained. /s

But, as OP says, it wasn't the men who called it off, it was WHO.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Well as my partner said, if anything this is a succuss story on how far ethics have come in medical trials. Why are we complaining that people aren't actively made to suffer in the name of science?

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Is that what we are doing? I thought we were pointing out the utter hypocrisy of feminists. Nothing new there, of course.

[–]YuriKlastalov 7 points8 points  (0 children)

No! The sins of the fathers must be visited upon the sons! There is no other way to get justice! None!

[–]aazav 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You just raped every women who ever was by admitting you were called a cunt. If that's not triggering level oppression, I don't know what is.

Your thinking you can reply to the god queens that they are just raped all the unborn women who have yet to be conceived.

Your rape raped the rape. Because trigger & whatever.

[–]greatslyfer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Love how she didn't debunk ANY part of your argument and just resorted to calling you a piece of shit.

[–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Holy fuck Katie. God damn this is the shit that made me quit facebook.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

quitting every social media rocks

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

You talked (aka bitched in woman language) about depression, that nulls all possible fact in their eyes if you ain't Dicaprio (he would be called so cute for showing some weakness to fag women) already. Next time if you have to post that i suggest you choose one fact and speak concisely about it. Give no grips for their claws. Be a smooth social character. Let them try to grind the glass and force themselves to be a joke if they want to retaliate. This way you are leaving too much room for the hamster machine to chase you. Just imho.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Oh thanks bro you've really opened my eyes on how to deal with self-righteous cunts on the internet.


But seriously, I appreciate the constructive criticism, but they pretty much have forced themselves to be a joke when she attacked me for my calm level headed argument. I didn't bother responding to her as there was no point, but after her comment several people chimed in to agree with me and call her out, I couldn't care less if her feminazi followers all passive aggressively like her comment, and it didn't ruin my day to be called a rapist, I chuckled that she had literally nothing so had to resort to attacking my (impeccable) character. ;)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, i was just relating how i see this happened and your part on it. I guess you didn't care then.

[–]1jb_trp 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sounds like you've fucked too many women in your area and some of them are salty as hell.

But... How'd the hell did that Katie girl get 19 likes for calling you a statutory rapist? Statutory rape is pretty cut and dry... Don't fuck anybody you're not old enough to legally consent. The "date rapist" is a little more iffy... Sounds like too many ladies regret hooking up with you.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't say too many. Just high smv girls, when you fuck the girls who they wish they were, women (and beta men) tend to get pretty salty.

I haven't fucked any one who liked her comment, but given she's best mates with the girl who posted the original article which has 184 likes, I don't find it surprising that she got 19 likes ignoring anything I said and calling me a rapist. Group mentality, go figure.

[–]username_goes_where 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I feel like in an experimental trial for male birth control you should be prepared that something not so great might happen (E.g. - infertility).

If you feel you'd need to end your life, in part, because you couldn't have children, then you shouldn't participate in the study or just freeze lots of sperm.

If there was more in play to the suicide, the WHO shouldn't count that against the study.

[–]skot5237 6 points6 points [recovered]

Did he commit suicide due to infertility? It also said it caused mood swings which I could see causing it

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes causes mood swings and depression. Pretty hard to link directly to his suicide, but given that was one of the reasons the drug did not go ahead, probably didn't help given his suicide was put down to depression and "personal issues".

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[–]BadinBoarder 18 points19 points  (0 children)

then got angry when people mentioned how they're the ones who get pregnant and they're the ones with reproductive rights, so it's their responsibility.

This is absolutely infuriating. They are the ones that demand all the rights and take rights away from men. Then they complain that it is all on them.

I had a girl tell me that she got pregnant and already aborted it and wasn't going to tell me at all. What the hell! That is my future kid! Imagine if i took away the future child of a woman, somehow, someway. Imagine the outrage.

[–]coolman1001 3 points4 points  (1 child)

then got angry when people mentioned how they're the ones who get pregnant and they're the ones with reproductive rights, so it's their responsibility.

If a woman feels that uncomfortable with taking birth control why are you so against their sexual partners being forced to use condoms. Are you seriously suggesting that a woman alone should be responsible for birth control?

I've personally only used condoms in the past as birth control and have done so gladly; the effect of the pill on women's behaviour isn't worth the alternative to me.

[–]RedDeadCred 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Good points but come on, ethics has never been a part of business and it sure as shit ain't now

[–][deleted] 100 points101 points  (16 children)

Olive Clover in Heat Street with a very underrated comment:

They should focus on the 1 guy who became infertile and create a new painless chemical vasectomy option!

I completely agree and since I don't want kids, I would definitely do this.

[–]dammit_redskins 21 points21 points [recovered]

Except for the fact that while he is sterile, he also can't get an erection and has mood disorders.

Look up post finasteride syndrome, it also messes with a males endocrine system and some people react very badly. I have a hunch that the same thing happens with this.

You don't want chemical sterilization

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Can't get am erection?

Damn. Don't want that shit.

[–]jiveraffe 23 points23 points [recovered]

A vasectomy barely hurts anyway. I've endured more pain at the dentist.

At no point does anything sharp come in contact with your testicles. All they do is pinch some of the blood vessels in your scrotum and inject the local anesthesia into that so they can then work on the vans.

[–]PanzerBatallion 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Experiences vary wildly.

I'd caution against making broad statements that effect.

[–]3whatsthisgarg 9 points10 points  (5 children)

A vasectomy barely hurts anyway. I've endured more pain at the dentist. At no point does anything sharp come in contact with your testicles.

It's just the potential for disaster down there, the idea of it. You're in stirrups with your sac hanging out. There's a guy down there with a scalpel, snippers, a cautery tool, and a needle.

Pick a young urologist, and check his hands for steadiness. And never get one in the afternoon, that's when the mistakes are made.

[–]jiveraffe 8 points8 points [recovered]

FFS guys, we bemoan women for being irrational, emotional, instinctual creatures, and you fold to your instincts at the drop of the hat and start wincing at the thought of a medical professional near your balls with tools.

It's like working on miniatures, at no point are large amounts of force being applied, and everything happens outside the scrotum. A slip would be a small nick/burn on your skin, not a scalpel half an inch deep in your testicle. How quickly would a doctor be sued into oblivion for botching that badly? Be rational here.

By the same logic the dentist could just as easily slip with a drill in your mouth, or does also stop you from practicing oral hygiene?

edit: I wonder how many post-op horror stories are caused by post-op over exertion. I spent the first two days on the couch, and the first week walking around slowly and careful. The second week only gently doing cardio, and the third week doing light lifts, only on the condition that if anything felt untoward that I would halt immediately.

[–]IterantImprovement 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't have your experience, there was a scalpel involved, Doc made the cut and singe before the local had kicked in, my body contorted pulling the groin muscle and lower abdominal, and I went into shock.

  Recovery from the vasectomy, probably a day. Recovery from the rest of it, a week. Despite my experience, if I tested non-sterile again, I would get the procedure done again by someone else (maybe the local butcher or something, someone used to handling meat...).

[–]3whatsthisgarg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

FFS guys, we bemoan women for being irrational, emotional, ... . and start wincing at the thought of a medical professional near your balls with tools.

No, no, no, and no, not what I was saying at all. I had it done, it was not a problem, would totally recommend. My only point was:

instinctual creatures, and you fold to your instincts...

That's all, it's only been 200,000 years of keeping everything sharp and ugly away from there.

By the same logic the dentist could just as easily slip with a drill in your mouth

This happens much more often. But it doesn't keep one away from the DDS.

I wonder how many post-op horror stories are caused by post-op over exertion.

Many. Half the guys I personally know who had it done went out and played basketball or something the next day, and regretted it. My doc told me don't get back "in action" for a week or so. Well, night of the sixth day I had a raging erection and an obliging blowjob giving wife.

Result: absolutely mind-blowing orgasm, and another 3 days of unnecessary pain. Just imagine how those tubes react in that mechanism: they raise up to shoot that out, and since they were severed, well, it hurt a bit. Again, mostly just worrying, not truly painful.

[–]new_alpha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's bound to happen with any surgery. That's why you should always check the background and trust the doctor that is going to do the procedure on you.

[–]Temperfuelmma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's a guy down there with a scalpel, snippers, a cautery tool, and a needle.

Yeah, hell no.

I can live without an arm but my balls, nuh uh. Nope. No fucking way. Ain't nobody gona mess with ma ding dongs. Fuck that.

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[–]Swelfie 2 points3 points  (1 child)

They die and get reabsorbed. Same thing happens if you don't cum for a while.

[–]3NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT 6 points7 points  (0 children)

new painless chemical vasectomy option!

As a general rule, don't fuck with chemicals unless you really, really know what you're doing. You're probably better off getting snipped.

[–]chinawinsworlds 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But there's an age limit on vasectomies in my Scandinavia. It'll be 7 years more until I can apply for one, and then several more months of waiting. With a better birth control, I could start so much earlier.

[–]something_thoughtful 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which they use in India last time I checked.

[–]eslong 33 points34 points  (2 children)

You know that dropping the facts will do no good brother. If the white knights dont defeat you, the hamster awaits.

[–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz[S] 23 points24 points  (1 child)

It's totally possible to slide over some red pills to normies if you're tactful enough. You just have to use the right language.

[–]rpkarma 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Truth. Hell im convinced most people already believe it, deep down anyway. If you know how to couch the language right, you're good to go!

[–]___what___ 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Feminists are SO LOUD about "it's my body, my choice!" But when men decide and choose not to be suicidal and infertile (actually, scratch that, WHO chooses for men not to be suicidal and infertile) that's not so much their tune anymore. Because, like, men are babies lol amirite!?

I point this shit out on Twitter all the time, and as a woman, I get told I must hate myself and have so much internalized misogyny.

[–]Dustin_Bromain 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You should congratulate yourself. You have more sapience and sentience then all of those garbage low-qualify women clucking at you combined.

[–]___what___ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Congrats to me! Lol, honestly though, I follow a lot of people my age that retweet these stupid fucking feminism shitposts and I can't handle it.

I got into an argument with a bunch of ~woke~ sjws the other night and one girl told me it's super sad that as a woman, I can't recognize that women are underrepresented in this male-dominated world.

[–]tuxidomasx 30 points31 points  (9 children)

still waiting for that vasalgel

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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[–]InChargeMan 5 points6 points  (5 children)

I was literally just researching this wondering when it will get here. I'm concerned about the side-effects from vasectomy, too many guys end up with chronic pain and other issues, including decreased sex drive and reduced feeling during orgasm.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I want vasalgel for the reversability.

Why I'm not putting my eggs in that basket, I am open to marriage and a family one day. Not likely, but in the very off chance I found the right girl and felt comfortable with it, it's something I'd consider. But I have no idea how much it would cost to put sperm on ice...how long they're viable for, etc. Otherwise I'd be off scheduling everything tomorrow.

[–]InChargeMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, we need to get that stuff pronto.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Where are all these men? I've heard that's a tiny percentage.

Every man I've spoken to or saw a post on this sub or the childfree one has said their vasectomy went great

[–]InChargeMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I did see another sub where guys were talking about their issues and it scared me away. Some data I've seen is over 10% having complications. What did it for me is when I read posts from guys saying that they had frequent pain and when they finished it didn't feel like it used to.

Even if it is a small chance I'm not excited about that risk.

[–]Awake-Now 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've had one. And everything is exactly the same as it was before the procedure. Only now, I can't knock anybody up.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Still waiting for them to update their bs website. "Clinical trials to start in 2016". Its fucking November.

[–]Sumuran 14 points15 points  (11 children)

Seeing both men and women on Facebook bash these men is insane. The few men (and women) who try to defend them are torn down without mercy. That's the whole point of studies is to find out what works and what doesn't. This didn't work, like 1000s of other drugs that companies test, but this one is getting all the heat because it's male birth control. My favorite headlines are one that has to work the term "cis" into them. They know who their audience is.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 2 points3 points  (10 children)

Um do you think any real men use Facebook? A beta bitch social gossip site? Gossiping is for bitches.

Men live in the real world.

[–]Sumuran 5 points6 points  (9 children)

I can think of several reasons to use a site like Facebook. For instance, it's an easy way to keep in contact with family and friends. You don't have to buy into all the crap that's on Facebook to use their service. Don't give me that REAL MEN shit. Real men would be able to see the benefit of a site like Facebook and be able to use it without paying heed to, or participating in the cesspit that is most Facebook users posts.

[–]Rabadon123 27 points28 points  (3 children)

I see a lot of women on facebook saying "well women have been getting these symptoms for years and they never stoped the trials!"

This is more proof that women care more about the ability to use their pussy to control men than they actually care about sexual enjoyment. Men found the trials unbearable because men want sex to satisfy their sexual urges.

[–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz[S] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I had this thought. Acne, weight gain, and depression were all symptoms they described, all of which are fucking bummers. I'd rather not be fucking than be depressed all the time.

[–]Tacotuesdayftw 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same with erectile dysfunction lol. Imagine if a Yaz side effect sealed their vagina?

[–]CallMeFlapadap 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That does make some sense to some degree. Of course, the way it's expressed hurts a bit.

I got on it in the first place because my exboyfriend asked me to. It wouldn't have been my choice, but I really just wanted to please him.

I got off it after our relationship ended because side effects were really not worth it. It was the biggest relief to be off it.

It's sad that many women just stop taking it if they have side effects. It's not like taking hormones is the only possibility. It's their choice to continue taking it, just as much as its men's choice to stop trials.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

So many land whales in my feed are spouting off "MEN CAN'T DEAL WITH WHAT WOMEN DEAL WITH!"

Meanwhile, the study said something like 75% of men in the BC trials didn't have any adverse side effects.. Or could simply just deal with it. I didn't read much of it to be honest.

It's so entertaining how they demonize men for saying something like "you throw like a girl" and then essentially making the same exact "micro aggressions" that were made toward them.

These fat feminist idiots are filled with self-loathing because it's really themselves that they hate and it's clear as day that's what they're projecting.

"BODY POSITIVITY!" ("I am fat and I hate myself for it, so someone please tell me I'm pretty!")

"SO SICK OF CIS GENDERED GUYS TELLING ME HOW TO LIVE!" ("I wish I was pretty enough to have a GOOD LOOKING straight guy be my rock and give me some leadership... But I'm fat and my only orbiters are beta losers who are afraid to put me in my place")

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I unfriended all landwhales. Or in the very least unfollow so they don't get the attention or validation they want

[–]-uftw- 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Keep in mind that a huge difference in men and women is that they're fertile one time every month, while we produce sperm 100% of the time so the amount of hormone altering stuff that goes into a male birth control pill is way higher dose. That is also why it's way harder to make that pill than it was for women.

But of course the media is never going to acknowledge that, it's easier to say men are bitches.

[–]RedMoonAscendant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your underlying point may be correct, but you're off-base.

The reason birth-control for women is so easy is that there's already a simple hormonal pathway to telling her body to not get pregnant: the one that says she's already pregnant.

She already has 100% of the machinery in place to not-get-pregnant. All you gotta do is tell it to activate.

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel 8 points9 points  (10 children)

Guys? Guys. The male birth control in question isn't anything exotic. It's just testosterone.

Yep. Testosterone injections temporarily (usually) cause almost complete infertility.

I take it twice a week. I experience very little in the way of adverse side effects. A little acne, and it'll cause erection problems if I don't remember to take my AI (aromatase inhibitor) with it.

...And that's it. This is a medication that's widely available. You can do this yourself. The health risks are minor, manageable, and very well documented.

Go forth and (not) multiply, brethren.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Do you cycle? What are the benefits vs risks?

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I stay on.

Benefits: better concentration, better sex life, better workouts, can help reduce risk of some diseases.

Risks: may accelerate male pattern baldness, may accelerate prostate issues in men who are genetically predisposed to that.

[–]Unexpected_Artist 1 point2 points  (3 children)

This is the first I've heard of the AI. I just assumed wood wouldn't be an issue.

[–]fidelity_ 3 points3 points [recovered]

Test converts to estrogen past a point, you don't want tits so you take an AI. Also the protocol they used on these guys is 100% horrible and leaves them with a ton of problems.

[–]Unexpected_Artist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the first I've heard of this. Good to know

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At first wood is like whoa. But as your estradiol (undesirable estrogen) rises, it effects your sexual health. So an AI stops that problem.

[–]augizzz999 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So for how long do you approximately shoot blanks after injecting, do you use test E/C or what?

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Currently I'm on Test Cyp, I don't take it for birth control so I don't have all the details on that.

[–]Tacotuesdayftw 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Do you find it helps out with your willingness to work out and your energy during workouts?

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While those effects are common, I didn't have a problem with either of those prior to taking testosterone and I don't now.

What I have noticed, though, is that my recovery time after a workout is much quicker. Instead of being sore for three or four days after a leg workout, I'm ready to go again about 36 hours later.

It also helped me build a lot of muscle. My testosterone level was abysmally low prior to getting some testosterone to inject. I was working out all the time but only seeing minor gains in muscle. On T, I got big quick. Almost too quick. It lets me actually keep the gains from all my hard work.

[–]Vioret 21 points21 points [recovered]

Comment by Christopher312

It's another misleading/false media narrative perpetrated by progressive journalists with no integrity. A summary of the situation, not all of which is outlined in this article:

Outlets like Fusion and Vice are pushing a narrative that a male birth control study was cancelled because whiny men can't take the symptoms that women already have with female birth control.

They focused on minor symptoms like cramps, ignoring the fact that of the 320 participants, one was completely infertile four years later, 8 (2.5%) had low sperm counts one year later, one committed suicide, and several experienced severe depression. Some of this could be unrelated, but it's still relevant information.

They make it sound like way more men quit than actually did. Only 20 men (6.3%) quit the study. I'm not a scientist, but I can't believe this isn't normal among drug studies. Additionally, the test was cancelled by an outside board, not the people in the study. Only 1.1% of the people in the study reported a negative experience and only 1.5% said they wouldn't use it again.

It sounds like canceling the study will ruin birth control for everyone. In reality, one of the reasons the study was cancelled was because the board that made the decision decided enough data had already been collected for the study, so not much was lost by cancellation. Erring on the side of caution is standard for modern drug tests.

Side note, do feminists actually think they want male birth control? I don't think they've thought it through, because if they did they would realize male birth control shifts a lot of control away from women and to men.

[–]ministypill 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Side note, do feminists actually think they want male birth control? I don't think they've thought it through, because if they did they would realize male birth control shifts a lot of control away from women and to men.

It is dangerous to play with hormone other than Melatonin. In order to reduce the production of sperm, the body mechanism of male hormone must be tempered. No one knows the long term side effects right now. From my perspective it is save to keep as it is then have a 10% defective rate of babies in the next generation.

Feminist will be scared for male to have birth control. They just cannot "forgot" the pill anymore, they cannot pop a baby without men's permission. Men will have as much as sexual power as women since both parties has an on/off switch.

[–]zpatriarchy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah, the 6.3% is all I responded with. you have to keep it simple with those misandrist idiots or they will reply with all sorts of tangential nonsense. focusing on the 3rd grade math fail by these girl websites is how to make the point.

[–]the_calibre_cat 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Oh, it's infuriating. 20 (out of 320) men backed out, and 75% of the men reported that they would take the contraceptives in the future. So, you know, a clear majority of the men didn't back out (yet are being judged based on the actions of the 6% who did), and a clear majority are good obedient feminists (or, less likely, red pilled men looking to defend themselves - but that narrative never gets public airtime) who would take the damn thing.

It's frustrating, but whatever. I've long since conceded that the Right was asleep at the wheel and the left's internet virtue-signaling echo chamber is what it is. It's wrong and ineffectual, but angry conservatives whom they already hate aren't going to teach them shit, but failure will.

The echo chamber merely deludes. Reality is inescapable.

[–]Lazyrel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think that's a bit unfair - it's more likely that a clear majority of the participants experienced little to no personal side effects, enough to make it a worthwhile investment of energy to guard against unwanted kids.

[–]victor_knight 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Man on the moon? Piece of cake (1969). Scanning tunneling microscope to observe atoms? No problem (1981). Intercontinental ballistic missiles? Yawn (1958). Male birth control? Holy fuck we have no fucking idea what or how the fuck to make this crazy shit safe!!!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Bitches gonna bitch.

It's funny. I used to be super Beta from the age of 5-23. But now I don't even consider women more than cum dumpsters for producing kids and I have never been happier.

Of course I don't tell them this. Saying it to them will cause them to say words that I have no intention of listening to. But actually treating them like this has actually yielded very good results.

I wish society would catch on.

Edit: Looking at a google search is disguising. This is another example of how the media is bias as fuck and not to be trusted.

Men Abandon Groundbreaking Study on Male Birth Control

Men Abandoned Male Birth Control

Men Pull Out Of Male Birth Control Trial After Experiencing

And so on. I only found one that actually cited that it was the WHO and only 6% of men backed out.

Blanket shaming men is fun I guess.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

http://press.endocrine.org/doi/pdf/10.1210/jc.2016-2141. Just in case you wanna see the original article

[–]brunudumal 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There is a doctor in Brazil that claimed to have invented the birth control pills for Men but feminists were against it and killed the development



[–]yomo86 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Taking BC from women is like taking the only power tool from an absolute monarch.

Condoms can burst or "leak", pills fail and whatnot. But a vasectomy or a functioning male pill is 99,9 % a safe bet and WILL result in a man, beta, gamma, harlequin or not, fighting paternity. micdrop

[–]Moonshineraider 4 points5 points  (0 children)

These feminist will never allow anything progressive to come to pass. By making a female issue out of a question of medicine for males, they show the flagrancy of their narcissism and how little they care about the health of men.

We will always have to look out for ourselves and developing safe birth control for men is the best thing for us. The good old "snip" has been an option for a long time, but has mostly been restricted from younger men, especially if they have no kids. This hormonal treatment has proven to be too risky, and the cost these men suffered was not in vain. I've read about other products currently undergoing human trials that look much more promising, and if safe options can be brought to market for males as young as teenagers it will provide a massive wall of defense against the degradation of men at large.

[–]SpacePotatoBear 2 points3 points  (0 children)

correction, it isn't cancelled, the reserachers are compiling their data.

but yes several men did experience issues and withdrew from the trial.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are over ten types of Female Birth Control medicines. Males don't even have one. The closest medical analogy to this drug is the Depo Provera which has a 1% failure rate as compared to this drug which has a 4% failure rate. The side effects of Depo Provera do not include any mood disorders and if someone does show side effects, she has over 10 different options. This study was cancelled because the incidence of side effects reported that 60% of the side effects were caused by the drug and 40% were unrelated.

feminists show their usual idiocy and their lack of an education. All the more reason why you shouldn't allow feminists in policy making, it will fuck everything up for everyone.

[–]razormachine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you still get shocked by news such as this you haven't truly understood the Red Pill.

"Woman say that man should..."

Who gives a fuck what woman say? Woman doesn't put food on my table, she doesn't pay my bills.

Only thing that I get from woman is pussy, and I do not get that pussy for being what woman tell me what they wan't me to be.

[–]JohnnySkidmarx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fuck the bitches. Feminazis are worthless cunts that are miserable people.

[–]-Kato 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Anyone else remember when male contraception came out as a possibility and feminists went off on one? Saying it was sexist for taking a woman's right to childbirth or some shit. Their nonsense is never ending it seems.

[–]zephyrprime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I saw this issue pop up and I thought, "what the fuck? All this male shaming is bullshit". They pulled the plug on the study because it was unsafe. The level of side effects was too high for a non-lifesaving drug. One of the dudes in the study became infertile and 7 didn't recover their sperm levels for a year.

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Currently I'm on Test Cyp. I can't speak wth authority as to how long the BC effect would last, because I stay on it.

[–]SillyAmerican 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First off this is a product for men...so why would they even have an opinion? Oh because they have dealt with side effects for all these years? Not our fault every girl that likes cum inside her begs her Dr for a prescription despite the side effects. Want a pill without side effects? stop buying the version that is out.

[–]The__Tren__Train 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was wondering when I would see this topic here lol

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Lol 😁 i got a vasectomy i know some want children but i sure as hell dont

[–]anon1moos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

on a different part of a certain site, people who know a lot about hormones break down why this was a stupid experiment, and why these side effects in men are indicative of serious problems (like potential permanent infertility) rather than just an inconvenience.

[–]McAkkeezz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Male birth control is a fucking joke, use a condom, cheap and effective. Protects you from unwanted babies and STD's. No need for pills or other chemicals.

[–]MyReddit6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

its more like "bitch, why don't you science up and make a better product."

[–]RichieFinn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

a girl on my feed, jokingly, but ironically commented "HAHAAHA WHAT WOMEN" on the link

[–]coffeeandscripts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only 1.3% of men were dissatisfied with the drug. 4 of the men also got their partners pregnant. If I crunch the numbers, that's about 1.3% of men got their partners pregnant.

Men are literally willing to do anything that doesn't leave them with a baby to take care of.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why are you giving that comedian attention? It's like free advertisement. Ignore the troll

[–]Moneyley 0 points1 point  (0 children)

termed TRIVIAL side-effects like acne, mood swings, changes in libido and weight gain.

Fusion is a left leaning media outlet btw. HAHAHA only our essence as a man is impacted as we lose our libido. This is just trivial effect though

[–]1nonthaki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My request to all of You is to not cut slack on any of these women : RP Women , feminists , libtards, everyone . They are all equally cunning and guilty .

[–]RoyG28 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Taking hormones to temporarily change your sperm count can't be a good idea.It contained estrogen,so some of the side effects were erection problems and moodiness.

It's really bad idea,although quite effective for birth control.

[–]Blacklabellogics 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never listen to women about birth control, if men got the pill in 1960 there wouldn't have been an "accidental pregnancy" for 56 years.

[–]Tacotuesdayftw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most of the comments were about women bearing the responsibility of contraception, yet I've spent hundreds on condoms by now, and a lot of girls refuse to get in bed with me without them, and it's always 100% my responsibility to produce the condom.

I've never been with a girl who had a condom with her. I've never been with a girl who has ever bought a pack.

Also, don't most woman take birth control because they want less severe/often periods? And most guys would be happy to have their own contraception that isn't condoms because every guy in here agrees that condoms suck.

But if we do get a good contraception like this, then condoms would probably go extinct or become rare, and with that, STDs would likely skyrocket.

But for real? These guys are taking part in the testing process of a drug. If any man or woman tested any drug and the side effects became too great, again, on a non FDA approved drug, you would likely drop out of the testing. Women take birth control because they don't have to sign a waver that says, "I WILL NOT SUE YOU IF I EXPERIENCE SIDE EFFECTS." They are legally protected and with that protection comes a relative amount of security and faith that you will be OK if you take that drug. That security is not apparent when testing an experimental drug.

My last point is just this - These men didn't have to test anything. They could have said, "Fuck it, let it be women's problem." Instead, they took part in the test, signed the waivers, and helped this company test a drug that could alleviate the stress of birth control for a large portion of women, so why berate them? These types of women are so often difficult to take seriously.

[–]EmDeeEx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn't even engage those beasts. Arguing over something like personal choice is kinda inefficient, and well, just pissed everyone off

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[–]3NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

How did OP get endorsed?

here's a "comedian" calling men "little bitches" for backing out


If you've been on Facebook at all over the past day, I'm sure you've seen details of this already.

Find better friends.

I'm annoyed with all these fucking cunts and their anti-man yammerings.

Get over it.

If you need to drop any red pills to shut them the fuck up,

Then you should reflect on your 'needs'.

[–]ChadUnderRock -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Coming from someone with a vasectomy: Stop being a bitch and get a vasectomy. I had it done in my early 20s.

This thread reeks of the same "muh feels" bullshit you find every day on 2x. You were born a man, and therefore have to take on all responsibility when it comes to social and reproductive issues. I'm amazed this is such a recurring topic here.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Preach on, man. I got my vasectomy on the NHS last year (for free). Never felt better.

[–]nantucketghost -1 points0 points  (1 child)

deleted What is this?

[–]OrpheusV -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Which is nowhere near as effective as birth control options women have, given that they have an effective rate of 98% if used perfectly, and 82% per year given typical usage. Doesn't exclude mishaps like breakage either.

Couples that use a condom only will find upwards of 18% of them getting pregnant within that year.