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Red Pill ExampleThey are starting to see it too: 30 Is the New 50: "Old Age" is Killing My Dating Life (Most of my 30-something guy friends are dating girls fresh out of college) (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by inquiringmindswould

In an XOJane article dated 16 September, the principles and promises of TRP are so perfectly espoused, I initially thought that it was a subversive post- but, sure enough, it appears to be genuine (Oldie, but goodie).

A 30-year-old women is dating a 38-year-old man who ghosts her for a younger women- and she is seeing it everywhere in her social circle.

"Alex is 38. I’m 30. Technically, there are no "people our age.” But I'm starting to feel that a 30-year-old woman might as well be a 40-year-old-man, though infinitely less desirable, culturally speaking."

Well, if the shoe fits, Tinderella...

"At 40, a man is well into hitting his stride, something the guy I’m arguing with is all too aware of, as evidenced when he professes on multiple occasions, “I’m an amazing guy." “We’re killing it. KILLING IT," he tells me, while explaining that he’s been caught up in his rapidly expanding architecture firm."

Alex knows what's up. He's teeming with options and can't help but indulge.

"Alex sees his stock rising. For a man, age brings success, wisdom, and the Hollywood-approved wrinkles of Robert Redford. And, while I too find that my career is on the up, it doesn’t matter, because time, for a woman, is hardly as kind as it is to a man. My career successes, my triumphs as a human being, are trumped by the fact my looks -- and my ovaries -- have a shelf life. Biology and Sociology 101."

No amount of "girl power" t-shirts or feminist lectures can change the reality of the relationship dynamics. Finally, after hemming and hawing the shoe drops:

"...after nearly an hour on the phone explaining that he’s been so hot and cold because he’s too busy with work, because he’s very into expanding his business, because he’s shy -- admits he’s been seeing some 20-something girl named Anouk for the past few months."

Despite the evidence staring her in the face, she must- must rationalize:

"It’s this logic that has most of my 30-something guy friends dating girls fresh out of college. Girls who, in my experience, are less impressive, less striving, less volatile, less successful, less intimidating, less questioning, less pressing, less complex, less damaged, less opinionated, less powerful, less womanly. They are less, and, to a guy not ready for anything -- like most of the guys I have dated in New York -- less is more."

Because, obviously, younger women are inferior to older women. Isn't that convenient? I'm sure she didn't feel that way 10 years ago. Stick with it, guys- it's working.

If you aren't Chad now, be Alex later.

Original article (visit at your own peril): XOJane


[–]103342 202 points203 points  (52 children)

I don't even know if this is legit or not, because women still have it pretty easy finding a guy to marry, she just has to lower has standards a little bit.

But it must be pretty frustrating for a girl reaching 30 and still trying to lock a guy up. Every year the idea of having a real family gets further and futher away. She loses the upper hand in the dating world for sure, this is if she actually wants to date an above average guy.

Truth is, most women past 30 are toxic as fuck to date. I know this from experience. Desperation is no joke. Younger girls are more unstable but at least most of them just want to have fun, the most fucked up thing an average younger girl will do is hookup with a lot of guys and you will just be one of them.

Older women have too much experience and baggage.

[–]1nonthaki 67 points68 points  (2 children)

because women still have it pretty easy finding a guy to marry

Its true . A woman will always hype her own condition and make it public , like post their stories in dailymail or whatever just to feel validated and to get everyone's sympathy and attention .

A woman in her 20s receives attention from guys throughout her day . As the years and ages go by , the number of people who find her attractive decrease but doesnt fall flat out to 0 . I am sure the woman in that article is still chased by some men , most probably beta or old , looking for relationship or sex . But that doesnt mean no guys chase her . She definitely still gets a percentage of the attention she got when she was 20 . And when a woman who used to get so much attention now gets a little less attention , she will definitely overhype the situation and proclaim it hopeless ; And similarly in the guys case in the article , he might have got no attention from women in his 20s and now is getting a lot of attention due to his wealth, maturity , etc ... thats like going from 0 to 100 . ... so he is very over-confident as stated in the article that he is "killing it" .

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 15 points16 points  (0 children)

"like post their stories in dailymail or whatever just to feel validated and to get everyone's sympathy and attention ."

Damn, so true. How many times have I seen these bullshit sob stories in the DailyMail? So many...!

Like the way over-the-hill women being portrayed as victims because they "can't find good men". In other words, playing the sympathy card because of poor choices and being undesirable, at least to the men in their age bracket...all while being a bit picky too. And never admitting fault for their own life consequences.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A woman will always hype her own condition and make it public , like post their stories in dailymail or whatever just to feel validated and to get everyone's sympathy and attention .

Imagine the shitstorm that will happen when people stop caring and giving them likes.

[–]_the_shape_ 85 points86 points  (9 children)

But it must be pretty frustrating for a girl reaching 30 and still trying to lock a guy up. Every year the idea of having a real family gets further and futher away. She loses the upper hand in the dating world for sure, this is if she actually wants to date an above average guy.

Especially if settling ...down (heh) is anticipated by her family and peers. The pressure only rises if her friends are managing to do what she hasn't been able to.

Speaking of pressure, it must be one fiery road to travel down if you take it all into account:

--getting older (and thus less desirable, especially compared to fresher, younger meat); competing gets harder, the hits (getting turned down/ getting pumped and dumped / getting hit on by guys she thinks have no business trying to run game on her) hurt more

--family tapping their wrists asking her "ummm, what are you waiting for???"

--every time she fires up Instagram or Facebook, she's repeatedly reminded of her failures (ex. friends with their babies and hubby "on vacay")

--wanting her alpha but realizing it's progressively coming down to choosing between an uninspiring, predictable, vagina-drying beta or the curse of loneliness from here until the end

Let's see if a decade or two down the line we get a chorus of women preaching against feminism and how it mislead them over the cliff into a pit of ruin, isolation and self-hatred. Not holding my breath though.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Damn... if someone published an article with points like this in it emphasized the shit storm that would ensue would be off the charts.

As for your last bit no that is never gonna happen. This is the red pill after all. Only way it'll change is if dudes make it change (of course) but not gonna happen.

[–]therealpkg 8 points9 points  (0 children)

They can, will, and already are railing against feminism... But only when it directly benefits their immediate agenda. And actions speak louder than words. You can be damn sure that change in blabber hasn't changed any behavior.

[–]LarParWar 6 points7 points  (2 children)

All of you guys just want to fuck, and when you decide to settle you want a virgin. Ha-ha. Hypocrites.

This is true, actually. And it's a problem, because if everybody's fucking around then there are no virgins to grab at the end of it all.

It will always be some mid-30s guy pissing in his early-20s counterpart's ever-dwindling pool of virgins.

[–]verify_account 5 points5 points [recovered]

What's wrong with men having a dual mating strategy just like women? I want to fuck sluts and LTR and low n-count girl.

[–]LarParWar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ultimately, you can't have both. Imagine a continuum. On the left-hand side is a stable equilibrium in which every girl is a slut. On the right-hand side is a stable equilibrium in which every (unmarried) girl is a virgin.

You can have one or another, but not both. There are intermediate states in which some girls are sluts and some virgins, but these intermediate states exist only as part of a transition from one side to the other. From about 1960 (sexual revolution) to, say, 1990, we were transitioning from the right-hand side to the left-hand side. So if you were lucky enough to be born in the 40s, 50s, or 60s, you might have been able to pull it off, fucking sluts and grabbing a virgin at the end it all.

But it isn't 1976 anymore, and now virgins are exceedingly few and far between, and all the rest are sluts. I suspect you weren't born in the 1960s or 1970s, so where are you going to find the virgins? They only exist at dangerously young ages, and we're not going to be transitioning back to the right-hand side of the continuum until total societal collapse.

So you can see the problem.

[–]paydenbts 4 points5 points  (0 children)

e we get a chorus of women preaching against feminism

never, women are like children if given the chance they choose whats more satisfying, instant and feels better

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Put a space after the first hyphen, drop the 2nd, hit enter twice before the first bullet point sentence, and you'll get nice bullet point formatting.

  • Just a tip
  • :)

"Not holding my breath though" <-- This! Never give the assumption of mature self-reflection and personal responsibility to those who spend the majority of their life benefiting from the opposite.

[–]Toolman890 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Whenever there's a photo attached to one of these types of articles, almost always the woman is quite ugly.

[–]pcadrian 24 points24 points [recovered]

she just has to lower has standards a little bit

Yea, but they don't. Not after riding the cc, maybe if the guy is a millionaire sure.

[–]PlayFair 43 points44 points  (8 children)

The story is about a women from NYC. The chads in NYC have Ferraris and penthouses and trust funds. At 30, she probably still believes that Mr. 7-figures and a corner office is right around the next grocery aisle. Or maybe a few more swipes on tinder. Or perhaps they'll meet serendipitously at that weekend EDM bars in the LES.

Lowering her standards at this point would mean returning to the realities of middle-class men.

[–]harsha_hs[🍰] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

wow! that's a great fall. Not many girls would survive that

[–]Pires007 17 points18 points  (0 children)

The 30s career women in NYC are nothing special either. The issue is that they think they are and the real world is sex in the city

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

At 30, she probably still believes that Mr. 7-figures and a corner office is right around the next grocery aisle.

That sounds like something out of a fucking movie.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That sounds like something out of a fucking movie.

It's known as a "meet cute" in the movie biz. And when you think about who romantic comedies are aimed at, it's not really such a big surprise that women thing that thing happen because they're "meant to be", or some other bullshit. And don't get me started on Sluts in the City. /shudder

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And people really buy into that kind of stuff? I watch and read a lot of things that I think are cool, but even excluding the stuff that is outright fantasy, I know it's fiction.

[–]sunkindonut149 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The chads in NYC have Ferraris and penthouses and trust funds.

They don't date native NYers. They aren't NY natives (they aren't black, Italian, Irish, etc guys wearing gold chains and tank tops) - they date fellow transplants.

Interracial dating isn't just about race it's also about what area of the US you are from. I see 10x more WASPized minority guys dating WASP Chicks than NY natives dating transplants.

It's about whether you went to private or public school, and this matters way more than if you're Indian / Asian, black, tall vs short, etc.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yes and no.. They may still very attention, but they are in a different category of men.. Men who have been ruined in divorce!! Sure, the broke fuckers that have nothing to lose will still put a ring on it, but the successful men that already came close to losing everything??

Source: I'm in that age group.. I'm successful. I've heard several women complain about men no longer wanting commitment

[–]CQC3 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I don't even know if this is legit or not, because women still have it pretty easy finding a guy to marry

You never know, but career women have it the worst in this aspect. As we know, women only date up. The more successful they become career wise, the smaller that pool becomes. Suddenly, if she's making good money, a man who makes the often sought after 100k marker isn't really all that impressive is it?

Depending on the woman, they either wise up sooner or later and marry some chump and abuse him, or they always think prince charming is around the corner.

[–]lodro 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Why should I have to lower MY standards when I'm a such a BAD ASS BITCH?

To be fair though, I have been with and known older women (past early thirties, into early forties) who were totally cool and very feminine. They exist, and they are more mature than 20-somethings generally. Can make for great relationships, sexual or not.

Still comes with the mustache.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (17 children)

Bollocks - my ex wife just turned 30 and she's still super fucking hot - she'll have no trouble in the next few years. Most of her friends are still single and not married - 30 is no longer the shitty age it used to be for Women regardless of their ovaries.

[–]harsha_hs[🍰] 40 points41 points  (13 children)

yes. 30 is not so bad as long as she's taking care of health and beauty. But if she's binge drinking throughout her twenties, her body is already into forties.

[–]ReddittFeist 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Not just drinking.

Chicks who smoke age incredibly fast. Even by age 30 you can see a major difference in how old smoker chicks look compared to non-smokers.

It does the same to guys too. No Red Pill guy should be smoking. If a guy who smokes wakes up to the RP, getting off the cigs should be his first, red-flag priority.

[–]NaughtyFred 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Will stopping smoking improve the look of skin, or just halt further decline?

Do e-cigs/vaping produce the same skin damage?

[–]pusangani 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I'm pretty new to this place, but it's the first time I've seen smoking mentioned

[–]phx-au 7 points8 points  (8 children)

Smoking and sun age skin like crazy.

edit: compare top to bottom

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Wow. that is just an amazing contrast. her expose skin looks a good 20 years older.

[–]phx-au 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Careful with my post history here before you agree with anything :P

[–]GetrichonIMP 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Wear that sunscreen boyos and use Retin A before you go to bed.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Retin A

Does it really work? I don't know much about skincare. So far my skincare regimen consists of sunscreen and water.

[–]GetrichonIMP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well your regimen is actually as good as it gets if you have been doing this since your teens and continue to do it. If you want to look young forever Retin A is the way to go. Find people who have been using it for years. You'll see why :)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good shit man. There needs to be more published of this. It's disgusting how women will let alot of shit destroy them... especially the sun!

[–]Xombie0991 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's why I don't smoke and always wear sunscreen.

Know what I hate? Women with fit bodies, but wrinkly, aged, sun-ruined skin. Whats the point, then?

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You're forgetting something extremely important - even with relatively good looks, the baggage and defective personalities that women post-30 have is self-sabotaging and makes men leave them or not interested in long-term. Less beta men, that is.

[–]paydenbts 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i agree that 30s is the new 20s, specially for men

however, women have been abusing their boddies with sleep deprivation and substances more then ever before, they are used at up at 28

[–]inquiringmindswould[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Elevating the anecdote over the average....

[–]TheReformist94 6 points7 points  (1 child)

They can still get alphas.even in Hollywood most of the guys marry women at or past the wall. Clooney is an exception.the wall rele isn't that bad.most have their cake and eat it,if not they just settle and fuck on the side. This article is an exageration

[–]kanyewost 1 point2 points  (0 children)

to other celebrities though...not no normal post wall snot stain lmao

[–]Redasshole 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also, the work place kills women a little bit more.

Life experiences makes men more attractive but they make women more unattractive. As they go on to experience life, they lose their purity, innocence and naivete, thus getting further away from the child-like human being men love to have around.

The cock carrousel is one of those experiences which strongly affects women negatively. The work place is another one.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have no sympathy for a woman who chooses to squander her best opportunity to lock down a high quality husband by riding the cock carousel during her 20s. Hopefully some of these wall crashers will warn the next generation of young women about the error of their ways.

[–]MickeyDsVan 191 points191 points [recovered]

"You are X years old, what could you have in common with girls under 24?" - some bitter old hag

"Favorite position."

[–][deleted] 114 points115 points  (44 children)

Women will try everything in order to shame an older man dating young women. They'll call him a pedo, they'll call him insecure.

I've conducted a little experiment on a local forum here in my country. I made a topic where I claimed I want to marry a 19 year old virgin from a patriarchal family, and her only duties would be to give birth to children and take care of the household. Oh boy. I'll just list some replies from women that I can recall:

  • You can't marry a virgin unless you're a virgin too.
  • All of you guys just want to fuck, and when you decide to settle you want a virgin. Ha-ha. Hypocrites.
  • So hymen is the only quality you seek in women? I knew you guys are shallow, but this is just beyond me.
  • You're still mentally stuck in Middle Ages. Wake up, it's <current year>
  • Is your dick really that small?
  • You need a woman to cook and clean for you? Go marry your mother.
  • You don't need a wife, you need a maid.
  • You pervert, you just want to take advantage of an inexperienced girl and trap her.
  • You're a selfish bastard that only cares about himself.
  • Wow, I want to have a slave too! Where can I get one?
  • Are you in a wheelchair?
  • This is disguising. Nothing more to add.
  • Misogynist.

And I live in eastern Europe. This planet is fucked.

[–]nicksnice 60 points61 points  (31 children)

Blue pill men will try to shame you too. There were many times I was referred to as "Chester" by my coworkers for dating a 21 year old as a 32 year old myself. (Chester is an urban slang term for a pedophile aka Chester the molester) while they went home to beg their fat wives for a piece of ass I had this gorgeous 5ft, 115lb 21 year old hoppin on my dick a few times a week. Did we have anything in common? Absolutely not, we liked the way each other looked naked. I'm not pursuing anyone over 26 again.

[–]esperanzablanca 58 points58 points [recovered]

repeat after me , FUCK YOU I WONT DO WHAT YA TELL ME!.

Im 34 and Im dating a 19 and 25 yo. And I got again in college just to be in contact with that age range. I dont care about what they say, my money, my life, my rules. If I want to be back in college, Im. I just went today to campus and had a blast with my 19 yo girl. All my friends are at home with a fat old hag that only wants more money, more purses, more shoes, more bullshit.

[–]socalsolja 16 points17 points  (26 children)

LOL Community College? I'm taking sports classes and its cool as hell! Soccer in the morning to wake up and swimming later in the day! It feels nice to be outside of a crummy office with burnouts and bitter peeps... not everyone that is older and who works in an office is like that but I guess youthful energy is fun to be around.. p.s I just left my 20's too... seriously believe that college was one of the best times ever haha

[–]esperanzablanca 6 points6 points [recovered]

no buddy, a real college, here college aint uber expensive like USA (best ones cost like renting a downtown flat per month, I can afford it), you can go to medic school or engineering or whatever, Im on my second round in a real college... first time I did a STEM bullshit, now Im from a "funny" career, graphic design, plenty of hot girls, tomorrow we are going on a photo trip for example , not only lots of girls but also the career is interesting and funny, not like that stem bullshit I wasted my younger years

In fact this college is the one that has the prettiest girls and VIPs of the country (i.e a candidate to president went here)

I also took guitar lessons, trying to make a band, and tango, sports, and the campus gym, and boxing with a ucranian friend

Keep active!

[–]zue3 6 points7 points  (22 children)

As someone currently wasting his younger years in stem, it is indeed a waste of time. There's no real money in it, at least relevant to the insane amount of work required. I wish someone had told me this so I could've gone into the arts. The bitches would've actually made my college years worth living over there.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (15 children)

If you're in a STEM field and think it's a waste of time, we definitely don't need you. You might be too busy in college to fuck dumb wenches, but getting paid triple the average wage to advance humanity at a pretty kickass job beats 4 years of art sluts followed by an overcrowded and shit paying job market for the rest of your life.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I'm a professional in a STEM field, and it is no longer the end-all as far as life choices go. Things have changed a great deal, and there are significant reasons why learning a skilled trade is now often a better pursuit for a man than STEM areas.

Honestly, I kind of wish I had gone into medecine/surgical field but at this point I'm kind of tiring of the 9-5 etc and would prefer to become self-employed in entrepreneurial areas.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I think everyone would prefer to go self employed. No degree required for that either. It's risky, but with risk comes reward I guess.

[–]wile_E_coyote_genius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is totally true. Reddit is obsessed with STEM but there are way better / easier ways to make better money (sales comes to mind, easy to clear $250k a year in sales if you can talk).

[–]esperanzablanca 3 points4 points  (1 child)

it may vary with country, here my office janitor earns more than a engineer, because they have a strong sindycate, and the engineers are a bunch of pussies that will work for a half rotten ham sandwich

literally my office janitor earns about 2x than the company engineer, but is a reality of this fucked up country, thats why STEM here is a waste of time, here if you want money you need to be in the sindycate, or the government or drugs

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah yea, well when the government decides to fuck up your country's economy 8 ways till Sunday, you get problems like that. In the rest of the (semi) free world it's usually the opposite. Engineering is a pretty shit field these days in general though unless you go into IT. The investment typically doesn't outweigh the return according to all the American engineers I speak to. They definitely get paid well above the national average though.

[–]zue3 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Lmao, you're a retard. "we don't need you" as if you're changing the world with your bullshit. The majority of stem majors do more work for less pay and way less free time to spend their extra money.

But fuck me for wanting a balance between work and play right? Grow the fuck up.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Working 40 hours a week leaves a lot of free time. If you have a STEM degree and somehow can't find a job that pays decently, you don't deserve that job anyway, because you definitely fucked up along the line somewhere. If this is you, PM me and I ill work with you on interview and resume writing skills because that is the only reason to be having trouble finding a gig. If you don't actually have a STEM degree and are just spouting bullshit, I will still help you anyway.

[–]crazycowabunga 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Somebody totally lied to you, dude. If you think most engineers are changing the world then you are in for a rude awakening.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

Designing computer chips (or designing the computers that design computer chips) is literally advancing human technology. But what would I know? I'm just a robot on a forum.

[–]AttackOnKvothe 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I don't know what to say, perhaps your opinion is very well accurate, or perhaps is just founded on the basis that you ahve not found joy or whatever in STEM.

I personally am thinking of studying STEM the next years (Informatics) and I sometimes think if I'm doing the good thing, but I prefer to have some money and then be able to go after girls, than to go after girls and have no steady income.

But hey, that's just my point of view. Also, each one's circunstances may be diferent, so perhaps for you it wasn't such a good investment, where for others it would be.

[–]zue3 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's a massive amount of work, even though it pays well. Most stem graduates I know work insane hours and just get shit faced the rest of the time. I don't know about you but that's not how I envisioned my life to be like. I want more of a balance between work and enjoyment. Besides, there are plenty of well paying, and fun, jobs in creative fields.

[–]AttackOnKvothe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What if you have no talent for anything but mechanic work?

[–]Redforeman777 0 points1 point  (2 children)

This is retarded and wrong. Most other fields are a.huge.waste of time. STEM is not, even if you do something else, at least this is the case in the US.

[–]zue3 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You even hear yourself? "everything else is a waste except what I happen to do for a living"?

[–]Redforeman777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just education wise. I enjoy and did liberal arts, most people would be better off doing engineering or some form of science IMHO. Maybe you are somewhere where everyone does engineering so I could see it being less valuable.

[–]socalsolja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's cool. I'm an aspiring photographer/videographer, taking classes at the community college and it's not that expensive either. I studied Philosophy undergrad at a top 40 University here in the states and the career result of that is... blah haha. Life is what you make of it, that's for sure. Good luck

[–]GetrichonIMP 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Just hooked up with a tight 20 y/o (I'm 34 also) over the weekend after my LTR (27) lost the feelz for me on vacation. She's tasted freedom and I hope this is the start to her CC so she can get a taste of the new 50's very soon :D

[–]Temperfuelmma 105 points106 points  (1 child)

I couldn't stop laughing wow.

You need a woman to cook and clean for you? Go marry your mother.

You need a man to lead you and feed you? Go marry your daddy haha

[–]hipfash3 26 points27 points  (0 children)

And it's the same people calling him pervert. How ironic.

[–]losectrl 24 points25 points  (3 children)

Can you follow up saying you're a woman looking for a rich husband who's only duty is to provide for you in exchange for sex?

[–]harsha_hs[🍰] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

She says yes and Still she won't get it.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Mothers here are saying to their daughters "marry a rich guy, don't end up like me" eversince they're toddlers. Being a gold digger is considered "normal".

[–]stawek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nothing wrong with gold diggers. The problem are the divorce diggers.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Women will try everything in order to shame an older man dating young women.

I was 33 and took a fresh little 19-year-old to a hotel for a weekend of nothing but sex. It was an embassy suites, so nothing too fancy but nothing seedy either. I checked in and as I escorted the young thing to the room, I noticed what must have been the manager glaring at me as we went by. She was some 40-something hag. She was clearly displeased.

So, a few hours later, when I'm all up in this chicks ass, there is a knock at the door. wtf? So, apparently, there was an urgent need to replace all the curtains in the room right then. Like this shit can't wait; red alert curtain emergency. I refused to leave the room, so there we are--young girl on the couch wearing only a blanket, I'm standing in shorts, two workers change the curtains and the haggard old bat manager glaring at me.

In hindsight, I'm shocked she didn't call the police to check it out.

[–]WildFox87 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh wow man. Fuck that. I would of got her name and called corporate. That was totally her trying to interfere. That shit seems to happen all the time for some reason, at least for me.

[–]thewalex 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She attempted to intervene, but she knew deep inside that she could only stall for so long. The moment the curtains were replaced, you would resume plunging balls deep into dat ass!

Great story!

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I'm a huge believer in exactly what you wrote, and I find it exquisitely enjoyable when I hear stories of American men (I'm American) who marry far younger women (example: Asian, or other) and how it drives a dagger into the soul of women who see them out together, simply because they exist. A few men over at Return of Kings had written some brief experiences, and also got negative attention from some male simps, too, about their younger women.

I find it fascinating that these same bitches who would ignore the men in question normally take it upon themselves to suddenly decide to criticize and shame these men suddenly once they see them with a younger, hotter woman. However, it is awesome to know it gnaws at them internally. I love it. It shows you how real biological motivation trumps any "feel good" bullshit put out by today's feminist/female propaganda.

Your points are excellent, and very true. I have seen comments in other venues from women, targeted at men, about "age-appropriate dating." It is bullshit shaming jargon, and should be thrown back in their face immediately and harshly.

Don't forget about "she just wants a green card", and how supposedly men want "passive, subservient women" (implying taking advantage of poor, weak women etc.).

[–]Grain_Man 7 points8 points  (6 children)

The thing that's always weirded me out about that argument is how incredibly shallow must you be if your only interests are completely boring to someone 10 years older or younger than yourself?

I had a conversation with my father and my nephew over the weekend, and despite the fact that there's a quarter of a century either way the three of us still managed to hold a conversation about something of mutual interest.

[–]arcticshqip 1 point2 points  (5 children)

That's a great point, I think that mentally and emotionally age (or gender) doesn't really affect relationships since most people have friends of all ages. I have a 34-year old friend who left his wife and is seeing a 22 year-old woman now. I'm an old, ugly hag obviously but I'm happy for them because they're a great match.

[–]AttackOnKvothe 1 point2 points  (4 children)

How come an old woman is lurking this type of sites?

Pure curiosity, I would love to hear the story behind.

[–]arcticshqip 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Curiosity towards human nature, trying to understand men better, trying to understand my own feelings better. And I have couple of friends that either have read the red pill theory or are naturally living it and they are both very caring and loving people who respect women even though they see the sexual and relationship game aspect in their relations.

[–]AttackOnKvothe 0 points1 point  (2 children)

And what is your opinion and experience of everything (of this topic) so far?

[–]arcticshqip 1 point2 points  (1 child)

People are people, for many of us sex and relationships are in some way based on primal urges and attraction and red pill can be applied in those cases. It works in many cases, but then there are demisexuals and sapiosexuals and sometimes strong connections between people that make their relationships break the rule so to speak... For me personally age, money or power have never been attractive, but I do like this energy or glow some men have and it might be alpha trait, idk...

In general I find some things very culturally attached to USA like women getting fat or being fat (I'm size 2 or 4) and women wanting money from men either during marriage or in divorce.

I don't judge anyone, be with someone you want to be, a young girl or many of them, but hopefully people keep in mind that love can hurt both men and women and it's good to have empathy and care about your partner even if it isn't LTR.

[–]AttackOnKvothe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, that's actually a very interesting exposition.

Although I don't really agree with the cultura uniqueness of that specific female trait you mentioned (because i've seen too many cases here in western europe) I really do agree that relationships should be honest from the start.

Although I guess that would hinder the very start of many of them... Oh, how ironic.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is gold. I'm gonna so use this next time I get that shit.

[–]hb8only -2 points-2 points [recovered]

:D didn't give you upvote because your comment has 69 upvotes :)))

[–]AttackOnKvothe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

...so, now they have computers with internet at kindergarten too?

:/

[–]2comment 74 points75 points  (9 children)

Yeah baby, come right here and jiggle your career right in my face! Man, those 401ks are stacked!

Said no man ever. These women are the female equivalent of sci-fi nerds showing off their comic collection.

[–]RedMoonAscendant 31 points32 points  (2 children)

In all fairness, though, my comic collection is pretty sexy. I was showing this one girl how I had #32 from the Wolverine 1992 series that officially only had 31.

Her mom died at that very moment and she had to go to the funeral. Pretty sad stuff. She never did get to see that insane ink on the final pages.

[–]mummersfarce_is_done 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Yeah. Discovering Blue Pill was the best thing that happened in my life. Before I discovered Blue Pill, I was an Average Frustrated Red pill guy. I thought hitting the gym, improving myself, holding my frame etc. was what would get me girls. But now I am enlightened. Instead I focused on having a comic collection and now girls literally jump on my lap when I wave an old Avengers comic to their faces.

TBP changed my life. Thank you TBP.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It's like they don't understand men only had careers to support families.. Men would work part time otherwise then fish all day

[–]maxbrooksmacbook 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I dated a girl worth 40 million that is a high value lawyer in manhattan. Don't underestimate the life you can have with a woman that is driven, successful and rich

[–]2comment 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm sure there be a ton of perks and an interesting short-term experience but by the time you're in LTR phase with someone like that, you'd become the kept and cucked bitch, with an ironclad prenup squeezing your balls like a chastity belt to boot.

[–]maxbrooksmacbook 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She had borderline personality disorder so an LTR was impossible anyway, but doing whatever I want when I wanted was pretty great for the year I was with her

[–][deleted] 126 points127 points  (40 children)

My sister's friends are all turning 30 right about now. They're absolutely desperate to find men to marry them, and to start popping out babies, where most of them were party girls through their 20s.

I went to one of their 30th birthday parties last weekend, and it was funny how nice all of them were to me, when some of them were stuck-up bitches in their 20s. Oh how the power dynamic changes :)

[–]askmrcia 52 points53 points  (30 children)

Its the same with my sister and her friends. Except they are in their mid twenties. Now they used to be hot as shit when they were in high school, but not so much anymore.

They all put way too much makeup on and they all gained some weight. Still trying to relive their high school glory days while my sister is so desperate for a man, the best she can get is some loser who doesn't even have a job, loads of college debt and does nothing, but smoke weed all day.

My sister and her friends will end up miserable by the time they are 30 assuming if they not already. I know my sis was a whore (hate to talk about her, but shit it's true) who got STDs and been with so many guys its just.....eh. Same with her friends. All whores.

Now all these girls graduated college (tons of debt) and have corporate jobs (Human resources). They all think they are hot shit because of their degree, but don't realize they bring nothing else to the table.

Again these women are in their mid 20s and have hit the wall. Sure they can still get guys attention, but these are guys who will just sleep with them then move on. No guy who has their head on their shoulders want women like this.

I know I don't and my sister's friends hit on me all the time, but I never go for it because who knows what I'll catch. Some of them call me gay because I never went for them (did when I was younger like 14, but they didn't want me back then).

The wall is real. And I see plenty of good looking 30 year old women affected by it as well. These girls are the same, they pull low quality guys, bitch about all men being the same, take their meds, and then post on social media like they are "queen bees."

But I have noticed a lot more women on medication. Its like every woman past 25 is on them.

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (23 children)

Damn. It's funny how when people, including myself thought about the wall for the first time, I literally thought it was about looks. The thing is there are still women in their 30s who look good. Heck, there are female celebrities in their 40s or even 50s who are still bangable.

The problem is all the baggage and stuck up attitude they come with. Some older women I'm sure are chill, but many of them these days in the future will have rode so many cocks, that they are damaged goods.

[–]Temperfuelmma 21 points22 points  (10 children)

It's not just that, the drop of attention from hot guys and slight increase in attention from disgusting beta's that'll make them puke really takes a toll on them.

They think they're worthless hence all the rationalizations that they're not. Dating younger, normal girls itself is a pain in the ass now imagine dating an insecure woman that thinks she's nothing but a worthless piece of human shit made entirely for the sole purpose of being a fuck toy, haha.

Shit, this must be what it's like for women to date beta's.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (9 children)

Exactly why I'm not focusing on women and focusing on my career. Of course if I'm out at a bar and I see a woman I'm interested in approaching or is giving me signal, I will approach.

I'm currently 25, but I just want to make as much money as I can, save a good portion of it, live in a decent sized apartment or a smaller house by myself in 3-5 years, travel to places, have fun, stay in good shape and have an almost drama free life. Women can be such a pain in the ass sometimes with the flakiness and all that. They aren't worth putting on a pedestal.

[–]okiedokie321 23 points24 points  (6 children)

You have the right mindset. Sometimes it isn't always about banging as many as possible, but focusing on you and you alone. You're young and swallowed the pill early, enjoy it.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (5 children)

Yep. Honestly now that you mentioned it, in college I was obsessed with the notch count, because well every young guy is. And that's what people back in college love talking about. I'm somewhere in the low double digits. Some alright girls, a couple really good ones and a few ones I would rather forget. I'm not exactly focused on that right now.

The problem is the pedestalization of women continues not just because of people think of women as "special snowflakes." It happens because most guys don't try to improve themselves so that they can be successful in their lives. They do it just to impress women and maybe find someone to "settle down with." So they spend so much time focusing on "game" and try to be nice to women.

If the guy does those things and gets laid, he's happy, but when he does those things and isn't getting that validation, that's where the problem occurs for them and why you have to dress well, strive to make money and stay healthy for YOURSELF. Not just do it so one day, you can find "the one"

Plus, if I'm making more money in the future, I can go to Thailand and fuck some slim Asian chicks.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

If you're worried about increasing your N-count, save up a bit of money and go visit the redlight in Frankfurt, Germany for a week or two. I fucked more HB 8 and 9s...and even one I would consider a 10 (yeah, as in hotter than Kate Upton) than most people get to even lay eyes on in a lifetime. To top it off, each one cost less than half the price of a decent dinner here in the USA. European prostitutes are very safe and clean since it's a regulated industry, and look far better than the girls from Thailand in my opinion.

Girls know that they better put out in Germany because you could just go down the street and fuck someone twice as hot as them for the price of a beer. It really knocks them down a few pegs when they can't hold their vaginas for ransom like western women do.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I will definitely look into going into Frankfurt, Germany in the future. I have always wanted to go to Germany for some time. Amazing beer and beautiful women. Maybe not right this moment, given everything going on, but definitely in the future. Oktoberfest is probably crazy in Germany.

[–]CrashXXL 7 points8 points  (1 child)

They're not all chicks in Thailand!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know that. I will make sure to vet them somehow.

[–]rp-one 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're in a good place, keep working hard and doing your thing. 10 years from now you'll be in a position to have everything exactly the way you want it, without compromise.

[–]RedDeadlift 14 points15 points  (6 children)

Exactly right. I'm 32 and usually date under 25, but I met this 30 yo who I initially clicked with. But after 2 dates, the demands where ridiculous. Clearly she was in no mood to have fun or get to know each other. It was like an interrogation.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

I remember one night, since my roommate was doing something else, I decided to go out solo. I end up approaching a woman who was probably in her 30s. I think she might have told me her age, but can't remember.

At first, she would show interest in me and all that, but after that it was an interrogation of sorts. Like constant shit tests and questions. We made out, but she kept asking personal question and out of nowhere, would keep feeling my dick. I didn't get laid that night. It was such a mindfuck and so many times, I should have just walked away before all that. She was acting hot and cold, regarding interest level.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I've learned sometimes you're better off just going home or doing something else than wasting your time on some women.

Once it's over, you have nothing to show for the stress and hassle.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

This is something that I have learned over time. If a woman isn't showing 100% interest or close to it, whether online or in person, then it's not really worth going after.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So true. They'll end up flaking or something like that and your good intentions and nice effort will have been for nothing, and not appreciated at all.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And that's the frustrating thing about it. I've had times where a woman appears interested and then I show "a little too much" interest, and then they flake. Like what the fuck?

Then they wonder why guys act fake or play games with them. Well guys online do that shit because being real about your intentions too soon, can turn a woman off, who was otherwise into you.

[–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"She was acting hot and cold". That's what women actually want men to do to them. They don't realize that men are different than them though and don't like the same things. The only thing playings games does is filter for a guy who is a great player which is exactly the kind of guy a girl who wants to settle down wants to avoid.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Pretty much this exactly.. I've dated several in their 30s this year since being single.. All cunts, except for one.. Pretty decent plate.. When I first met her she called Hillary a cunt and said trump should win..

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Well, she is right about the fact that Hillary Clinton is a cunt.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Pretty hardcore republican.. Had to keep reminding myself that unicorns don't exist..

Took me about an hour to finger her under the bar then take her home.. Conservative girls are always the best lays!!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not just that, but conservative women tend to be better looking than girls who are liberals.

[–]psirico123 13 points13 points [recovered]

"But I have noticed a lot more women on medication. Its like every woman past 25 is on them."

I have noticed it too.

[–]Galactic-Unicorn 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Depression now affects one in three.

[–]psirico123 2 points2 points [recovered]

That's horrible. Do you have any source on this?

[–]Galactic-Unicorn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I asked the FY1 that told me. It's one in three will experience a disorder under the umbrella of depression at some point in their life.

He couldn't remember the source. I might look once home if I remember.

[–]harsha_hs[🍰] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I second about meds. EVERY single woman past 30 is on meds!

[–]zephyrprime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Regarding the meds - they're the reason we have so many kids now that are trans-sexual and have adhd.

[–]nicksnice 15 points16 points  (1 child)

There's this group of girls I know from a few years back I follow them on IG. Theyre all 30 and on social media crying about fuckboys. This girl who is a former obeast (was hot in her teens and early 20s then ballooned) had the audacity to make this post about lowering her standards. Her post read "stop going for the fuckboys, get you a solid 7 that beats the kitty up." This girl is a high 4 at best claiming she will lower her standards to the top 30% of men with a good dick. her saving grace is that she's not ugly and has some huge tits so she's prime real estate for the BP social media simps to boost her ego.

[–]joeyjojosharknado 16 points17 points  (0 children)

prime real estate for the BP social media simps to boost her ego.

That's the disconnect that is making women crazy. Extreme validation from social media and online dating that doesn't translate into tangible, real world benefits, such as a solid relationship with a high SMV guy. It's all smoke and mirrors, but the hamster fights against seeing it for what it is. Even in their 40's and 50's women will get this shallow validation, from younger guys who just want to stick their dick in anything so go for the low hanging fruit, or beta uggos with mommy issues. The hamster tells them they must still be hot and young and desirable, because the reality - that they are a mommy substitute for some loser or a small step up from a tube sock for a regular guy - is horrifying.

[–]TheOtherWalternate 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Some years ago there were studies that got publicized that claimed old age begins at 27. They mostly discussed mental decline but I wouldn't be surprised if that's the magic average age our bodies start declining.

Long before that came out, some friends and I had noticed it was right around 27 that many of the women who bragged about being able to eat anything and stay thin suddenly gained 50 lbs in a year. Hell, I was in my late 20s when my weight really got out of control. I went through a wuick weight loss then, crept back up, and when I finally took it all of again last year (early/mid 40s) it was several times as hard.

My point is, mid 20-s is biologically when it all starts changing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–]1nonthaki 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yay . Enjoy . Do a fake laugh for them and not a genuine one , whenever they have a light hearted conversation with you . This will fuck up their brains , cause they already have low confidence because they are post wall , and they will think they cant hold the situation socially enough with you , or suck in conversations . Let them never suspect that you are sarcastic inside and that you Know their fucking game .

[–]aanarchist 1 point2 points  (2 children)

i'm still in my 20s and waiting for that shit to start happening. not sure if i'm gonna be able to hold the laughs back.

[–]Osoto_Gari 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Laugh now. You know what their future brings

[–]aanarchist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

true. i couldn't help but feel bad for my ex who decided to swing branches. it was 2 months before she was single again. she started trying to communicate with me again but the red pill once seen cannot be unseen. approaching 30 and very little accomplishments in her life, not even a career to have her finances secured. it's like she's still 15 mentally but she looks old and has 30 years of baggage. it's more sad than anything else, just a pitiful existence of her own doing.

[–]sirmadam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm the other way around…by the time my lifting turns me into a god and my business takes off a bit more, my sisters friend will all be 16-18 and I'll have a pool of them to pick from. To the gym!

[–][deleted] 253 points254 points  (59 children)

As a 34yo man who is currently banging a 21yo sorority chick on the regular I second this article.

[–]heelface 132 points133 points  (36 children)

As a guy who just broke up with a GF and just turned 34 you've made my day.

[–]LeftShark86 96 points97 points  (26 children)

Bro. I'm slightly younger, but there's no excuse for dating any girl even close to 30. There are so many 21-26 year olds out there. Seriously, as I get older, I date younger. 22-24 is the sweet spot.

[–]robotghow 25 points26 points  (7 children)

How/Where do you meet them? If you don't mind me asking

[–][deleted] 57 points58 points  (6 children)

Starbucks. Where all young white girls hangout

[–]robotghow 9 points10 points  (5 children)

Damn, we don't have those in my country.

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (1 child)

Starbucks, or young white girls?

[–]RUSTY_LEMONADE 31 points32 points  (1 child)

No white girls? Go for the brown ones then. Shit, Captain Kirk it. Green, blue, yellow, black, albino, vitiligo, it don't matter.

[–]aanarchist 18 points19 points  (0 children)

waiting for space aliens to be confirmed so i can find me a sexy asari girl. they pass for mid 30s at 800 years old ya know.

[–]BlackHeart89 31 points32 points  (12 children)

That's funny. I'm 26 and I'm dating a 21 year old. She's great, but on an intellectual note, I don't like her. On the other hand, all the women my age and up have, "too much baggage". Either several children or too damn stubborn. The girl I'm dating now is eager to please. So of course going forward, I don't think I'll ever be able to date a chick older than me or the same age without intentions of breaking up later down the line.

[–]yomo86 58 points59 points  (4 children)

You want meaningful conversations grt some friends.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Yeah. But its better when those conversations are with a woman you're fucking. But its generally not worth it. Its like a wishing for a unicorn. Great sex, great conversations, and no baggage?! Yeah right...

[–]verify_account 11 points11 points [recovered]

blue pill dreams lad. Guy friends are what you need for conversations.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Second this. You're young. In a few more years you'll realize all women (even the 'smart' ones) are potatoes intellectually.

[–]yomo86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would give me left nut if that is was true. A man will throw you under the bus if he is a beta or worse a beta who is your deep friend. A woman will throw you under the bus because she feels like it.

[–]aanarchist 15 points16 points  (0 children)

i've tried dating older and while it's nice to have a conversation with a woman who isn't a complete child, she still ends up being less mature and less intelligent, and eventually brings all her baggage on my doorstep. there's simply nothing she brings to the table at the end of the day.

[–]Stormhammer 5 points6 points  (5 children)

It sucks banging someone you don't respect intellectually, doesn't it? :|

[–]BlackHeart89 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Well, the banging is awesome. Its just at times, I want to have a more in depth conversation about some things. But to be honest, that's not going to happen with most people I meet, in general. -____-

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's not going to happen with women. Stop looking to women for that. You'll be eternally disappointed. Find a good girl who's loyal, a 7, and somewhat based regarding politics, her ideas about gender roles, etc., if you want something long-term. That's the best you're going to do. Don't look to get ideas and mental stimulation out of women. The booky, deep girls you're after aren't booky and deep. You'll learn that fast. And they're only going to be much more obnoxious in the long run.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know all of this already and have accepted it. It doesn't change the fact that its what I want though. I just know its not going to happen.

Well, actually, there are a few women I can talk with about things like that, but they aren't the type I would date.

[–]Stormhammer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know what you mean. I'm still trying to determine what's worse, someone who doesn't scratch that intellectual itch, or someone who in their day to day is an A-type female, behind the door can be submissive, but also the selfish whiny princess type ( think Vince Vaughn gf in Wedding Crashers kind of voice ) its such a fucking turn off.

It's like wtf - woman, you're an engineer, you own your own place, are well travelled, what the fuck is this shit and where did it come from.

[–]Galactic-Unicorn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reasons I couldn't be gay. Couldn't fuck some one I respect.

?Jim Jeffries joke.

[–]TSM_Bjergson 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I'm obviously doing something wrong here. 20 years old and dating a 25 year old.

[–]aggresivenapk1n 19 points20 points  (0 children)

You gotta get experience somewhere

[–]LeJacquelope 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nothing wrong with that. It's a man's prerogative to date an older or younger woman as he pleases, if she's down with him, too. The BIGGEST mistake of this XoJane article, par for the feminist course as it is, is that this woman feels she's owed a man for being an older, "stronger" woman. Yet in the next article they probably screamed hellfire and damnation at nice guys for having the same attitude. So if your 25 year old is good for you, keep her and don't let anyone tell you she's past her expiration date. But don't stick with her just because someone says you can't handle a strong woman, you owe her, etc etc etc

[–]TheStumblingWolf 39 points40 points  (1 child)

I have a friend who's 41. He's seeing a 20 year old girl. I'm 31 and my other friend wants me to date his 20 year old cousin. Would be a shame to let him down :)

[–]Luce_Bree 35 points35 points [recovered]

Bro, I'm about to be 34, recently ended a 3.5-year LTR, and many months later the OLDEST chick I've banged since then was 25.

It's glorious. And most of them don't even know I'm over 30 unless I tell them (I started lifting at 27...needless to say it has served me extremely well).

A couple years ago I had no idea that such a life was even possible. Trust me brother, you're about to have the time of your fucking life.

[–]Mildsoss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow great to hear dude because im 27 and i just started lifting as well.

[–]Joseph_the_Carpenter 42 points43 points  (1 child)

If you've internalized TRP you will begin to celebrate every breakup and see it as a victory. You are now free to replace your car for a newer bouncier model.

[–]atomsk413 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This thought alone got me through a hard break-up after I found this place. Thanks for the refresher mate.

[–]aceangel3k 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Yup. 31 here dating a 21 year old model. Less is definitely more.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm 47, while I have a few over 30 that I have fucked in the three years since my divorce from a 30 year old, the majority of girls I've banged have been between 18 and 26. It's a myth that men can't pull young tail, but it's because of the losers being so prominent and numerous. I'm not even great looking and girls constantly flirt and eye fuck me. All I have to do to fuck them is engage, isolate, and escalate. It's easier now than 20 years ago.

[–]B_uckets 27 points27 points [recovered]

They're the best. You don't even need to kick them out because they already know the drill.

By the time they hit 25-ish, they're probably at the stage where they try to sit around "getting to know each other" first, then they want to cuddle and sleep over afterwards.

[–]textualintercourse 47 points48 points  (4 children)

38 with a 25, been working out perfectly fine. Her older used up coworkers hate her and say we are "gross", at the same time pissed no one gives them the time.

[–]SnarkyFella 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Damn thats hilarious. Keep at it man. Always wear a rubber.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

31 with 23's to 26's over the past couple years. It's been hard for me to crack under 23.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yep these are the type of plates or LTR's that it will kinda suck when they fall and break - AH WELL ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exact same circumstances when I ended the relationship of 5 years. She became all the negatives listee by the writer, had to go.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 39 points40 points  (6 children)

As a 49 y.o. man who woke up next to a 20 y.o. hottie this morning, I third, fourth, and fifth it. <EFG>

[–]Keldoclock 38 points38 points [recovered]

Uncle Vasya, as a 20yo man, I have 2 things to say.

  1. fuck you for making things harder for me
  2. thank you for giving me no option but to try harder and be better

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 22 points23 points  (1 child)

You're welcome.

That said, I can only bang so many 20 y.o. girls...and they make more every year. So you have that going for you. Besides, I am Here To Help. Play your cards right and you can do what I do, too.

[–]Keldoclock 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I did. It was okay at the time and bad in retrospect, or the reverse. Nothing to do but think about how to do it better next time.

I was always salty about having to compete with essentially all of the men in the world for the tiny segment of college girls. Tough enough dealing with the rich kids, the naturally gifted ones, without also having to worry about playing fucking chess games against my dad, you know? Nothing I can do to change that though.

The reality is, in a tough environment, you're going to get fewer people succeeding and they're all going to be better than they would have been in a less demanding environment, just because that's the nature of the cut. All I can do is work at it until I'm weeded out.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Curious, where do you meet them? I assume online?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nope. I do nearly all my work in 3 dimensions. I pretty much have a black belt in "Day Game", plus zero approach anxiety, and zen-like outcome indifference, and I'm Confident As Fuck1, yada-yada. I am an extreme extrovert, so approaching and talking to people I have never met is the most natural thing in the world for me. Also, I've been Talking To Girls for 3 decades. If I wasn't super-good at it by now, something would have had to go horribly wrong along the way.

Other than being an extrovert, I had to LURN all that shit. Anyone can do it.

1 And I get it, some people think I'm an asshole. Fine. Tell me...who do girls fuck again? Asshole or "Nice Guys"? Exactly.

[–]Eatsnax 6 points7 points  (0 children)

As a bald 40 yo man who's dating a hot 22 yo I'll second that too. Besides loosing my hair which I've owned in the best way possible, I workout on the reg, diet, dress nice and get mine. It gets better gents.

[–]antariusz 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Hello fellow 34 year old man... As I sit and watch Netflix with a 21 year old girl next to me.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kudos ;) just dumped 2 loads onto mine's face in the past 3 hrs lol

[–]RenaissanceMan79 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Once I hit my mid 20s, I pretty much always dated younger. But then for some stupid reason (pre-RP), I decided to give a couple women my own age a try. NEVER again.

[–]tartarus2 1 points1 points [recovered]

Where do/did you meet them?

[–]LeftShark86 107 points108 points  (21 children)

I've had this conversation with women countless times. I always ask "Who would I rather date; you at 28 or you at 22." They have no regrets. They always argue that their mistakes make them who they are today. I wholeheartedly agree and say "that's why I wish I would have met you when you were 22". The difference is X number of dicks, sagging tits, and a wider waist. The insignificant rise in their bs career is irrelevant.

"It’s this logic that has most of my 30-something guy friends dating girls fresh out of college. Girls who, in my experience, are less impressive, less striving, less volatile, less successful, less intimidating, less questioning, less pressing, less complex, less damaged, less opinionated, less powerful, less womanly. They are less, and, to a guy not ready for anything -- like most of the guys I have dated in New York -- less is more."

In my experience, younger women are more impressive, more striving, about the same volatile, marginally less successful, less intimidating, less questioning, less, pressing, less annoying, less damaged, and more womanly. They are certainly more than their older counterparts.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (17 children)

about the same volatile

i'd actually say younger women are less volatile. i found TRP when i was looking for econometrics in dating, and for answers to questions like "why the fuck are so many women in their 30s on antidepressants?" after you bang a girl in her 30s the first time and she doesn't cum, it's a blow to your ego. but fuck them 3 or 4 times, and it's not that they just had more stamina than me... start asking questions. turns out it's because they're taking anti-depressants, and one of the most common side effects is inability to orgasm. now multiple studies have been done, and even the CDC was like "wtf, 25%+ of middle aged women are on anti-depressants." when you narrow to single women in their 30s, living in big liberal cities, it's usually above 50%.

the only downside i'd say with younger girls is more starfish sex. they just don't have the same motivation to lock down a guy.

[–]LeftShark86 7 points8 points  (7 children)

I haven't noticed worse sex in younger girls. I'd say on average lower 20's and upper 20's are about the same. Though my age range is 19-30, so I don't know about older.

[–]Stormhammer 14 points15 points  (5 children)

Older women are kinky as fuck.

On a serious note, keep aware of their hands when they're sucking you off. You might find one trying to sneak its way up your ass.

[–]Sad_Larry 14 points15 points  (3 children)

reddit is a non stop source of entertainment

[–]Stormhammer 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Oh god, I just realized I failed to specify a finger. A finger, not their entire hand!

[–]hbdale309 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But a hand is so much more funny. Haha. I knew you meant a finger but re-reading your post I can't stop laughing thinking of her trying to sneak her hand up you ass! My sides are bleedng.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The thing about older women is they "know" that their currency has deflated, even if they don't consciously know it, so they get that they're going to have to put some effort into it. They have some mileage on them, so experience is a factor also. Plus the back door is usually open.

With a less experienced girl, you're simply going to have to lead her, which isn't much of a trade-off for her young, supple body. One of the best things you can do is ask her what her fantasies are. You'll likely get some good intel, and even if you don't, it's an opener for explaining what YOU want, and then leading her through it.

[–]199639 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Independent of anorgasmia from SSRI, many women aren't able to orgasm from penetrative sex, and a large percentage of those can't orgasm from sex of any kind. Regardless, they can still enjoy sex and men often struggle to understand this because of the nature of male orgasm.

[–]omega_dawg93 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Go to Katy Texas... It is the antidepressant capital of the USA.

[–]RedDeadlift 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Fuckin right. I was at a house party in Katy one time and couldn't wait to get the hell out of there.

[–]Sad_Larry 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Can you explain for those of us who haven't attended anti depressant parties? Like anything besides being boring and sad?

[–]RedDeadlift 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Hard to explain. No one seemed happy, complaining about things, general negative attitude, just not fun to be around,

[–]omega_dawg93 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yep... they are driving bmw's, living in big houses, fake tits, etc... all the stuff they thought would make them happy.

but instead, all they do is whine & complain abt how hard their lives are... and they take those meds like skittles. then they pick up the kids from piano & soccer practice.

[–]alvlear 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you find your answers? It is all part of a fantastic grand design.

[–]2comment 13 points14 points  (1 child)

They always argue that their mistakes make them who they are today.

A pumpndump. They should open a gas station franchise.

[–]Rufferto_n_Groo 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"more womanly"

That was my takeaway as well.

[–]Lsegundo 34 points35 points  (5 children)

Girls who, in my experience, are less impressive, less striving, less volatile, less successful, less intimidating, less questioning, less pressing, less complex, less damaged, less opinionated, less powerful, less womanly....

How the fuck are less volatile, less intimidating, less questioning, less pressing, less complex, and less damaged listed as negatives? Oh right the hamster.

Women have it drilled into their hamsters that they need to be successful. I see so many career women confused as fuck that they aren't dating higher quality men based on their career success. Guys want to be seen with the most beautiful woman in the room. Is there any guy that beams with pride because he has the most career accomplished woman in the room?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Career women are nuts.. I'm going back to waitresses.. Went out with two very well off career women last week.. Both showed up drunk one even got out of her car with her big cup of wine..

I ended up telling one that she was bossy. She told me men liked being bossed around. I asked her if that's why she's been divorced twice.. She still tried to make a move before I left..

Fucking train wrecks!!

[–]inquiringmindswould[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

In the same way women give men bad relationship advice, women give other women bad relationship advice.

They think the qualities they find attractive in men, men must also find attractive in women. They want a man that is bold, career-oriented, successful, ambitious and somewhat disagreeable (i.e. demanding). It's an amusing self-gratifying notion. It's the blind leading the blind.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dead on. Women give terrible advice overall but best part is women will listen to other women. There will be shaming to pay for the woman who asks quality advice from "shocker" other men who are successful by their own hands.

[–]offthebeatmeoff 70 points71 points  (25 children)

The culture we live in now, is impacting women the hardest (believe it or not). This stuff should have been common knowledge. In Japan they call them Christmas cake. In Hispanic cultures it is common to see a guy with a woman 15-20 years younger than he is. In India arranged marriages were sought with men who were established successful providers, and I'm sure other cultures that perform arranged marriages do the same. Women in China know they are fucked if they're not married after 25. Everyone knows it, but western women are being force fed garbage, similar to how we are being force fed garbage. At the very least guys have a fighting chance with common sense, their own observations from getting laid, observations from friends who get laid a lot, and last but not least the Redpill.

I'm not defending women or anything like that, but they're being fed this garbage and buy the time they realize it's garbage they're past their prime. Naturally being selfish they don't warn other women.

We on the other hand have each other and other networks. On top of that, once we snap out of it we haven't even hit our prime, and even if we have, we're still riding the peak of the plateau.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (21 children)

This. Let's be red pilled it's only a shock in White western societies. Everywhere else its nothing new for an 18 year old to 20s to be snatched up by an old guy. In the west though chicks can't see that they are destroying themselves literally by waiting till the end. It's fine though the way it should be.

Whoever came up with feminism is an evil little bastard. They took advantage of womens lack of foresight to ensure their doom. It is a nice time to be alive though if you are somewhat decent looking.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (14 children)

It's awesome to be a man in western society as long as you are in top 20%. But still, in this society I'd rather be in the bottom 80% than to be a woman.

[–]offthebeatmeoff 34 points35 points  (12 children)

This is an unpopular opinion on this sub, but "top 20%" is all context. There are niches for everyone and everything. There are flabby stupid guys who get laid tons because they do drugs like coke, that hot girls love. There's a redneck crushing some country tail, because he's got a big pick up that he pounds puss in that he meets right at the honky tonk. There's a handsome wealthy guy who's frustrated and beating his meat, because he's in San Francisco or down in Silicon Valley, and it's mostly dudes. It's all context. Don't get me wrong, improve yourself and work on your game and you'll get results, but I would confidently put myself in the top 5% easy within my demographic, and there are nights and places where I feel like a God, and others where I feel like an ugly freak that couldn't come close to even sniffing pussy

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

That's true. It's all relative and I have some nights where I feel like the best looking and most charming guy on the planet and other times, where I feel like I can attract any women. You could be top 20% in one place, but be in the bottom 20% in another place.

[–]antariusz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly this. All it takes to be a top tier male in Northeast Ohio.

6 figure salary. Average Height. Less than 20% bodyfat.

Here, I'm probably right around top 20%, maybe a bit higher

If I were in NYC, I probably wouldn't even register with most women. (say 70%)

If I back living in San Antonio but with current life situation. Easily top 10%

[–]efrp 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Very well said. One of the things I learned rather late in life is to figure out your niche and then work it as much as you can. Some types/demographics of women will just be naturally more receptive; others won't give a fuck about you for whatever reason. Get in where you fit in etc etc.

[–]offthebeatmeoff 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah exactly. I have a buddy, he's handsome and jacked (competes in physique). He can pull fitness chicks pretty well where as I barely stand a chance. That being said, I dominate him with tall girls, bar skanks, and ethnic chicks. I even have a buddy who honest to god has a fucking pear shaped figure. Definition of skinny fat, with a lesbian haircut, but he's juggling three chicks. They're cute, but look like emos. He has his niche as well.

[–]RedDeadlift 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Agreed. Your SMV varies wildly with different environments. Find your niche.

[–]S3542U 0 points1 point  (2 children)

How can one find their niche? Is this simply trial and error or are there guidelines? I would guess one should start doing activities they enjoy and where there are people and socialize/game with those people. Am I in the right path?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Pick a field that you will be successful in, (you will be the alpha of the group) and ideally one that women you desire participate in.

[–]NotUpToAnythingGood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have to use the right bait for the environment you are fishing in...

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What women look for in men is cultural success.

http://web.missouri.edu/~gearyd/MatechoicePDF.pdf

Evolutionary logic indicates that the best situation for a woman is a long-term partner with good genes who has reproductive potential and the willingness to invest this potential in her and her children. Men’s reproductive potential is determined by the ability to parent and the ability to invest social and material resources in children. One way to conceptualize men’s resources is in terms of their cultural success (Irons, 1979): that is, their social status and their control of material resources. We describe women’s preference for culturally successful men in the first section.

Women desire men who are culturally successful.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Your post basically describes the story of this woman my fiancee worked with. Hot Long Island mom 'goes out with the girls' once a month and leaves daddy and the kids at home. Found dead in a NYC apt. hallway after a coke-fueled orgy with some fat, greasy HBO producer:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/hbo-producer-eyed-death-dermatologist-chelsea-article-1.2385680

[–]offthebeatmeoff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it wasn't for the fact I'm paranoid about revealing too much about myself I'd share some stories. I've got a million of them. Everyone has this idea that Chad is always tall, muscular, and dumb. Sometimes Chad is a fat balding greasy coke head. Sometimes he's a hairy Persian guy getting bottle service. Sometime he's just any loser that has the balls to actually give himself a chance at getting laid.

[–]alvlear 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Take advantage, they did. But evil? Technology had made women useless in the home, and we had a lot of wealth to create. Doubling the workforce is a neat idea.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Doubling the workforce lowered demand for labour and pushed down wages, now making it almost necessary for a household to have two workers to get by thus necessitating less childbirth/children by women and a reduced total fertility rate for the nation. A real winner.

[–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Plus, it was only technology that had even allowed women to get into the home. Historically, for most of human history women had jobs and that job was to be a forager for food. Most of the calories in the typical tribe are actually brought in by women foraging.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Theory has it that feminism took off in the 60's because there was a surplus of women after WWII. i.e. a gender ratio favouring men. All those women had to justify being sluts somehow in order to mate with the few available men.

[–]offthebeatmeoff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would argue that it is more of an economic reason. This is an already established theory so I'm sure someone has said what I'm about to say, but in much better words.

When men returned from WW2 women had overtaken the workforce, and men were trying to return to the workforce/school. However, the number of jobs didn't magically increase, but the number of people did. This created the perfect storm of cheap labor the elite wanted. It made sense to continue women to be strong and independent. God forbid they went back home and let men take over to continue the high value of a worker. It's also one of the reasons cheap 3rd world labor is imported. It devalues the cost of labor

[–]Osoto_Gari 14 points15 points  (0 children)

In Japan they call them Christmas cake

"Because nobody wants Christmas cake after 26". LOL

[–]Anderfail 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is definitely true. Women were sold a bill of goods by feminists that was never true. For as much as TRP is needed for men, it's messed women up far more than it has men. Men can recover and become the man they were meant to be through work and effort, but women? Once they pass a threshold in age, looks, or action, it's pretty much game over for them. Women cannot recover that which has been lost. This is why so many women are using anti-depressants. They know they are fucked and they know there isn't a damn thing they can do about it beyond watch all of the men go for younger women.

I see my sister, who is 36, and in this position. She has been dating a dude for a few years who is in his 40s who has never been married, yet for some reason everyone expects them to get married. I know he's never going to pull the trigger because he has zero incentive to do so. He's established and makes a lot of money and they don't want kids. I know with an absolute certainty that if he breaks it off, then she is going to break for good, especially now that I just had a son with my wife and likely will have another kid in the next few years.

Cultural marxism has irreparably damaged an entire generation of women. We, as a civilization, may never recover from the damage that has been done.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's because there are large segments of society (leftists) who sincerely believe that our perceptions and values are socially constructed and if we just pretend these perceptions and values aren't real than they will stop existing. This has lead to a whole lot of maladaptive behaviour proliferating and a whole lot of re-inventing the wheel. A lot of TRP is just folk knowledge that got thrown out the window decades ago. The sort of stuff our great grand dads taught each other.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 61 points62 points  (20 children)

From the article:

There was something there, and we both knew it, which is why were attempting to hash things out over the phone at some ungodly hour. Because at our age, we’re adults, and things matter more. The mistakes leave marks.

This is female scarcity. It's just like male scarcity. 10 years ago she would flake or go out and never call back if they didn't fuck or it wasn't amazing, because she didn't give a shit - because she had 100 dudes just like him lined up.

The pain, plight and rejection of women between 28 and 38 is identical to what men experience from 18 to 28 - the only difference is, it's direction in time is reversed. Just as most 18y/o men are invisible, so are most 38y/o women.

The difference is: whether guys are the equivalent of a 18, 28 or 38y/o chick depends on the work they put in.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 51 points52 points  (19 children)

10 years ago she would flake or go out and never call back if they didn't fuck or it wasn't amazing, because she didn't give a shit

Exactly. This is why I have no sympathy. Every time I hear a post wall woman complaining about dating not being quite as easy as it once was, I think "yeah, I remember what you were like when you were in your 20's and I was a sexually frustrated victim of your lies and manipulations and you had all the options and you used them at my expense".

The pain, plight and rejection of women between 28 and 38 is identical to what men experience from 18 to 28

No it's not. Men 28 to 38 still do more, give more, get more rejections, get less attention, get more rejections. It's not even starting to balance out until she hits 50. All that's happening is that she has it not-quite-as-fucking-easy but still vastly easier than most men. The only thing making her life even very slightly hard is her own insane level of choosiness and entitlement.

Imagine if she had to be attractive with zero inherent value in a world that was anti-female and the slightest bit of complaining or neediness or caring or saying the wrong thing even once would instantly cancel out all potential sexual attractiveness. A world in which she is constantly criticised for both being female, not being female enough and the opposite sex demanded their best interests be permanently accounted for even at the expense of her own potential sexual attractiveness, and not only that but she has to maintain this perfect level of attractiveness in the face of doing all the work and taking all the rejections.

After all that, she's not even close to being at the level men are when they deal with women.

TL;DR: even at 35 she's still got it easier than 99.9% of men. 50 is when the roles reverse and women realise (too late) that they have to put some work in and offer value. Of course even then they'd rather just complain about it.

[–]sd4c 14 points15 points  (11 children)

Imagine if she had to be attractive with zero inherent value in a world that was anti-female and the slightest bit of complaining or neediness or caring or saying the wrong thing even once would instantly cancel out all potential sexual attractiveness.

Excellent and very true. I once had one in the bag, until I mentioned that my favorite bar was called "The Mangy Dog". She disgusted by the name of the bar, that's all it took.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (9 children)

Oh, I can believe it. I was at a bar with a friend, and he gets talking to a woman. I honestly thought he was going to fuck her. When he was buying her drinks, she made a sneering remark about his wallet, and from that point on, her behaviour towards him cooled. His fucking wallet. A basic, black nylon wallet.

[–]DisgruntledWolverine 0 points0 points [recovered]

A man carries a leather wallet.

A child carries a nylon wallet.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children)

A wallet is a fucking wallet. Having owned both, I prefer nylon. Leather falls apart to easily, to say nothing of the fact that they get ruined in the rain. It seems like such a bullshit, arbitrary standard that people adhere to, but has little to no basis in reality.

[–]DisgruntledWolverine 1 points1 points [recovered]

I am 32, I have carried a wallet since I was 16. In those 16 years, I have only owned 2 wallets, Both leather. Neither fell apart.

The first one was a gift. the only reason I replaced it was that I was gifted a newer one.

I have been in rivers and pools with them. Didn't ruin them. They age with grace and collect character as they age.

Nylon on the other hand, just screams 10 year old man boy...

I know it is a preference thing, but Stylistically, it is the equivalent of saying you only like t shirts because they are comfortable and it's just what you like... Dress yourself like an adult and wear button downs.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I don't buy into all this nonsense. I honestly don't see what's wrong with a plain, unadorned, black wallet, regardless of what material it's made out of. I already know I'm an adult, a wallet won't change that. Neither will a shirt, for that matter. I generally favour flannel shirts.

[–]DisgruntledWolverine 2 points2 points [recovered]

You might not agree, but it is what it is. I am trying to challenge you to be a better you. I am trying to enlighten you and teach you some things about fashion, which I know a lot about ;)

Look, I understand that you are obviously a pragmatic person who favors function over form. However, the undeniable fact is the fashion accessories you chose make a statement about you regardless of whether you like it or not.

https://attireclub.org/2013/04/16/a-guide-to-choosing-mens-wallets/

"With wallets, just as with clothes, the fabric they are being made out of is very important. Most wallets usually come in leather, as it is the most durable and strong fabric for this accessory. However, we need to remind you that there are many types of leather, from thinner to thicker leather, and the way it has been stitched is also important, so you need to have a good look before you buy it. Nylon or plastic wallets can also be an option if you are a young athlete or something similar. "

http://www.artofmanliness.com/2012/02/14/mans-wallet-giveaway/ http://www.wsj.com/articles/mens-wallets-which-matches-your-personal-style-1418415148

http://www.realmenrealstyle.com/mans-wallet-guide-style-tips/

http://www.askmen.com/entertainment/guy_gear/best-wallets-for-men.html

http://www.esquire.com/style/mens-accessories/advice/g1455/best-wallets-for-men-shopping-guide/?slide=8

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I see what you're saying, and I appreciate it. There are so many of these rules that seem to have no basis in reality that it's mind-boggling. Even within the realms of formal dress. I once heard someone make negative remarks about a guy because he was wearing a black shirt with a black tie. As far as I was concerned, the man looked perfectly respectable, I didn't even know that this was a "thing".

[–]joeyjojosharknado 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You did the right thing. That's an awesome name for a bar.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't know if I agree with you.. I'm currently 37 and rejection is extremely low.. When I put forth the effort it's not hard to land 4-5 dates in a week.. Honestly, I flake on women constantly..

I don't think women have that big of an advantage at this agree unless they are hot and have no kids.. Since most are chubby, that is not the case

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 3 points4 points  (3 children)

TL;DR: even at 35 she's still got it easier than 99.9% of men. 50 is when the roles reverse

Meanwhile, back in reality, by pretty much 38, women, on average, have no choice at all. That data might look not too significant on paper but then you realize that most 30+ guys are fucking chicks under 35, and the further up the age ladder one climbs, the less total population (not to mention the eligible singles pool): women are fucked after 35.

The way you write makes it sound like it's bad to be a man, but shit's the best since sliced bread. Even at 18-24, the worst years for men, with 1-2 years worth of actual work, most of us can be more sexually active than a ham planet.

[–]illicitwit 2 points2 points [recovered]

Genuine, humble question here - how do you define "actual work" and how would you recommend a nobody become a somebody over time?

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

define "actual work"

Anything that 80% of men don't do, or don't do as hard, or don't do as well - lift, dress, socialize, vibe. Also, avoiding anything that 80% do, which detracts - porn, video games, excessive booze, TV, etc. Anything that everyone else in your area does, doesn't count. You work 40 hours a week, go to the gym 3-4 times a week but so does everyone else - making that the male "baseline", aka 60 hours a week spent on being average. It's hard to do more, because your incentive for being average is to be accepted, and the payout is immediate. Alas, it's the extra hours on top of all this that set you apart from the others. A side business, learning extra skills, doing sports, improving your style, learning social skills, reflecting on life - and these are hard to justify since the payout is highly delayed.

Fighting the day to day fatigue to invest the extra work into your future is where the real progress is made.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd say 40. In the NYC area, there's so many attractive women that there are even far more attractive ones to easily trade up to if you're into MILFs

[–]Drogba006 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is THE Red Pill right here.

I don't have anything to add to it, but this is what is the distilled version of what it means to wake up, in my opinion.

[–]1nonthaki 35 points36 points  (2 children)

It’s this logic that has most of my 30-something guy friends dating girls fresh out of college. Girls who, in my experience, are less impressive, less striving, less volatile, less successful, less intimidating, less questioning, less pressing, less complex, less damaged, less opinionated, less powerful, less womanly. They are less, and, to a guy not ready for anything -- like most of the guys I have dated in New York -- less is more.

Sweet karma . She is judging what men like by what she thinks men should want or like about her or post wall women like her . One can feel her hopelessness , just like men felt in their 20s , but she never cared about what men went through .

As though any amount of talking is going to make this better, Alex continues to tell me about Anouk, who doesn’t mind him going on dates with other women because he “doesn’t love her,” and who he is dating precisely because she’s not looking for anything at all.

Oh man , this is just class , and I suspect that guy is Red Pill or became a Natural Red Pill after seeing the change in sexual market dynamics from a young guy to his current age .

By the way , its a 2 year old post . I dont know how the hell you found it now .

[–]useyourmouth 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Lol at her hamstering at the end. We can play word games, too:

...less wrinkled, less fat, less demanding, less used up, less barren, less broken, less cunty -- so yes, less is more.

[–]rot_barth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Better for you". (Than WHAT?)

[–]1jb_trp 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Jokes on you, divorced women with baggage: We'd rather have two 20s than one 40.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Or nothing at all!! Rather ride solo then settle for a fat old divorced hag with kids

[–]kaspell 12 points13 points  (2 children)

37 here, dating a 24 year old (turned last week), started with 36/23. The one before her was 24 too. They're broken but fun. The older ones are just broken.

[–]torodinson 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Why are they all broken...thanks feminism.

[–]kaspell 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you can find a way to make the broken work for you.... it becomes a free feature :\

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Hit the wall and then cry "where are all da good men?"

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 25 points26 points  (1 child)

The 28 year old woman was once the 22 year old fresh-out-of-college girl. So not only does she have the baggage of the 22 year old, she also has the ravages of time with her as well. Women at the age of 28 pretend like they are completely different from their 22 year old counterparts, yet they tend to forget that most of them have experienced the same things.

I've met girls that were exceedingly intelligent and driven in college, more so than women who were older at the time. Why should I believe that women get "smarter" as they age? The whole notion that women become more "mature" in character as they get older is mostly bullshit. The only difference is how much more desperate a woman becomes as she knows her options are declining exponentially.

[–]mummersfarce_is_done 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Men can be easily fooled by this lie, because this maturing process is true for men. Not every man who ages becomes more mature, but indeed time usually shapes a man for the better.

For woman... I don't really know. Maybe there are some who gain something with time, but their decline in beauty truly takes up something in them regardless. Perhaps that is why some woman actually try to gain something other than their beauty, or try to go into a path of self-enlightenment after hitting the wall. Most probably suck at this process and a few rest are good at covering their past self.

I mean, this is probably how those "spiritually enlightened" women are made, who "mastered their ego". Am I the only one who meets such woman at past-wall stage? Mind you, women always seem more apt towards mysticism at any age (hence the tarot cards, palm reading routines). It's just that, they try to compensate their decline in beauty with mysticism, at least some women. They look pretty calm on the surface, but I don't know what's inside.

[–]pyrom33 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I often work with old (RP) men from eastern Europe. they are between 50-65 yrs. they have good shape because hard work (oil&gas industry) and they fuck young chicks regularly (no prostitute)

[–]yummyluckycharms 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Younger women are more enjoyable and fun to be around. No negativity, no toxic feminism, no attitudes - they have a greater zest for life in general

Case in point, I've had 3 plates that I enjoyed ffm threesomes with - all under 30. I've had 0 plates over 30 that enjoyed them. Women over 30 are just plain boring and they just seem to become more frigid over time

[–]DailyManliness 41 points42 points  (39 children)

I don't think it even takes this long for women to notice the wall anymore, it's happening in the early to mid-20s where they're locking down the betas now. I'd say most of the women in my group are far removed from the wall or going on the decline and even they are starting to feel the biological clock. It's built in them, we can analyze it and call it the wall but women feel it. By the looks of it they feel it long before even one wrinkle sets in. If they find the right beta early enough they'll go with him and "settle down" while craving alphas on the side.

[–]Marino4K 44 points45 points  (35 children)

they'll go with him and "settle down" while craving alphas on the side

Which is why divorce rates are so high. Nothing wrong with settling down but you can't have your cake and eat it too.

[–]DailyManliness 36 points37 points  (31 children)

Completely agreed, this has to be the reason for the insanely high divorce rate. I can see it already from the married girls I know. One of the girls in my group has been with a beta for a year and she's already antsy and going out without him. What's gonna happen when she marries him in 2-3 years? They've already needed one "break" so she could be with other guys and that was a few months in. This is why TRP is so necessary for men, you can't blame the women, it's how they are. It's a mans responsibility to take control of himself and his relationships.

[–]Marino4K 20 points21 points  (10 children)

I mean for real though. You want beta qualities but alpha tendencies? Hold up woman, let me get you a build a bear,.

[–]LeftShark86 40 points41 points  (8 children)

Yea, I'd like a number HB9, petite, toned but easy on the muscles, with DDs and a side of nympho.

[–]ColdIceZero 22 points22 points [recovered]

"Alright, so I got you down for the Number 2 combo deal, with blonde. Would you like to super size your order to 'appreciates giving head' for another 99 cents?"

[–]Kingoffistycuffs 15 points16 points  (1 child)

As the manager of this establishment I can say I like the cut of your jib and I'll toss on a side of "can actually cook" to your order. Keep up the good work.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cancel everything else, one that cooks and clean will be enough!

[–]fatalbinoninja 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'll take the jumbo value size if you can toss in general housekeeping and cooking as well.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, but how much extra will it cost for one that does anal?

[–]0kool74 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea, I'd like a number HB9, petite, toned but easy on the muscles, with DDs and a side of nympho.

Without the STDs of course :-)

[–]antariusz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Find a younger woman, close to your natural desires, and mold her into the woman you want her to be.

I know you're just making a joke, but you CAN build a better woman. You can lead and shape a woman in an LTR. If you can keep a woman you've molded into a 9, then you could have just gotten a 9 in the first place.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Well if they made sense they wouldn't be women they'd be men.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (13 children)

A break after a few months? LMAO

[–]DailyManliness 10 points11 points  (12 children)

Yup. It's shocking how much guys deal with from girls who are clearly above them. Once you show your hand like that you will always lose, she knows she can do whatever she wants. This is commonplace for a beta situation though

[–]sd4c 10 points11 points  (6 children)

It can get worse. There are legions of guys on Craigslist being forced to find sexual partners for their cruel ruthless wives

[–]thisishowibowl 6 points7 points  (5 children)

I almost refuse to believe this cuck thing exists. I know it does but . It's so insane to me that I can almost not wrap my mind around it. Just hearing about makes my blood boil.

[–]sd4c 9 points10 points  (4 children)

It doesn't happen overnight, and requires strong Oneitis. First she gets away with nagging. Girls nights out. Then yelling. Then forces marriage. Controls finances. Physical abuse. Uses dread game. When caught cheating, makes it seem like the guy's fault. That's the turning point- will he go back? If he entertains reconciling, she's got him. She can spin it into something fun. That benefits him- dwindle the sex to a trickle except after she bangs Chad, then he gets to fuck her. Next thing you know, he's conditioned Pavlovian-style, to associate other guys banging his girl with sexual release. Eventually this leads to him doing her legwork for him. In extreme cases I've seen guys offer to rent a room to a Chad for free for this arrangement.

It's sick because it's cruel and sad to anyone with half a heart. But remember, AWALT. They would ALL go for this arrangement, if they could get it, just like most guys would be cool with a harem of 200 virgins guarded by eunuchs. If they could get it (which only military dictators have been able to pull off).

No one is moral, we just estimate the limits of our own reproductive capacity and extrapolate principles based on that. It's kind of fucked up if you think about it.

[–]pillchangedmylife 3 points4 points  (0 children)

'just like most guys would be cool with a harem of 200 virgins guarded by eunuchs' - thats the dream

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That entire process could be considered gaslighting.

[–]thisishowibowl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because it slow and deliberate, the never jumps from boiling water.

Throw a frog into a hot pot of boiling water, he jumps out. Turn it up slowly and you cook him alive.

[–]thisishowibowl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

http://izquotes.com/quote/156208

Chris Rock said it best " men are only as loyal as our options"

Guess he should of said women

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

if you ever get a time machine, do me a favor: go back and slap 20 y.o. me HARD

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Also my 15 y.o. one version. You can have my savings later, doesn't matter. Idk, my 15 y.o. version would prefer that, my 26 y.o. version would prefer he never fell for a whore but still would like to hunt well into old age with .

I saw a hunter while going to mountain a day ago. He was 45 y.o. atleast, alone, with a shotgun and his dog. Never saw someone smiling more to randoms like us. Not like he wanted to please us, like he just was that happy in life and wanted to share.

Hunting and conquering is the youth of spirit.

[–]mummersfarce_is_done 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I noticed a similar experience in myself too. Once you feel whole as a man, you actually become a much nicer guy to others. Not as a people-pleaser impostor, but as a MAN. Talk about irony.

Red Pill made me discover that path. I also saw how every mother fucking guy is psychologically traumatised in this society. That healthy individuals like those are rare, no they are extremely uncommon. Younger generations have no healthy role models to aspire to. A sad state for humanity, but such is the way of civilisation probably. It is all about a higher class exploiting a lower class.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yeah the abstract workings of reality aren't needed if you can get a good life by having guidance that teach them in a subtle way (like a good father). However they are needed once you are in a trainwreck and want to get out (hence TRP like stuff)

The point is: society works well and is united when women that can attract men (typically young) respect and try to nurture boys to become men by not fucking them up emotionally (not more than needed to preserve themselves, and by honoring good fathers with respect), and when men (usually older) respect women nature and don't tempt them too much into sin. That's the way of balance of opposites, the christ, all in all a working model thought to keep things in order and going.

But if someone breaks that order and is permitted to exist then his victims will have much more troubles respecting that order since they will probably take an emotional hit (boys getting emotionally raped, females getting pumpdumped). So you get the postwall feminist and the suicidal deluded beta if it goes badly, the lucifer's daughter and the player in the "good" one.

The reason is because, in effects, the order is already breaking since those behaviours aren't being punished (almost sounds like TRP relationships mmh?)

What's worse is that we have no more control and we can no more limit this outreach of evil so the natural way is coming back and that's good if one just wants evolution of its race in a sort of "survival of the fittest" scenario, but its really bad for anything else including your relationships, your security, the quality of the social contexts you are allowed to join, etc. Ok you may get more sex and with many women, but was it worth in the long run? With that i mean if we had power to choose the world we live in. Would we do it? i don't know if i would, i think i wouldn't. It's not about courage, it's about net worth.

But now yes, little to do, a lot of past hurt for most people, so being a player sounds just about the best "cut your losses" strategy.

I just like to think most people there aren't those "fuck society in the ass yo!! so good too easy for me ahahah!!!" kind of retards but more like the "well fuck THIS society since it's gone for now" and proceed to think greener thoughts because there's really nothing to be happy about it, if not that you know you can take that hit now and be good. Our satisfaction in all this will only to witness this mountain of social shit that was created in the last 80 years or so crush and burn, and yeah some more sex if we get good at fitting too. But i bet even there the thought will feel much better than when the real things start to happen. Gotta get myself to that level of self-mastery where i can just go "oh well" and chill with a martini before i get nuked too, lol.

[–]mummersfarce_is_done 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Behold. This is going to be long.

I think it is more about which stage the society is in. What you speak of is one of the positive stages a society is in. What the society we experience is in it's old man stage now, infected with many diseases and can only stand up because of the regular medicines he is taking.

Maybe I was coming off as a cynic towards society. What I actually think from an amoral perspective is, society is just what it is. Both helpful and potentially harmful to the individual. And every society is doomed to crumble one day. It creates it's own destruction as a natural process. It is a cycle; creation, preservation and destruction - then repeat.

I don't necessarily want it to happen or not. It is simply out of my control. So I simply try to find ways to ensure my survival and enjoy life in general, in this environment. I don't really think society will crumble spectacularly like in an apocalypse movie. It will just gradually decline in a crumbling way. I don't really think "survival of the fittest" will truly apply, even in total anarchy. That shit is overdramatic anyway, like we are trying to be the last man standing on a deathmatch arena. It can only happen to a degree when resources are scarce. Evolution is simply about adapting to the environment. It is not a race to be the winner. It is a casual test that simply needs to be passed. It is more about not being a loser. Passing Grade doesn't really matter that much apart from it's possible effect towards the next test. Like don't be fucking poor. You might survive and reproduce (current test) but your children might not survive (the next test). But then again, your children can find ways to make more money than you. Though as we all know, some form of score is necessary to have a woman. The test is not simply about survival, it's also about finding a mate. By their nature, women push the bar higher.

In this sense, society creates it's own evolutionary environment. The risk of death is very low and resources are vast, so breeding takes precedence. It can be said that muslims are scoring a higher grade than most europeans in the numbers department. But this doesn't exactly mean they are the fittest. Being fittest is about establishing dominance over others. Muslims come to Europe en-masse, even to the point Islam becomes the dominant religion; the few remaining Europeans (provided they have better mental capacity) will rule them under the name of Islam. I know it's a bad analogy, but it's clear to picture it this way. The point is, the white race will not be extinct it will be an elite class, if they are truly superior of course.

Now it is important to recognise the fact that the weak who survives becomes a resource to be exploited by the elite, not very different than a cow who provides resources to the farmer.

Cows are controlled by fences. Humans are more intelligent, so culture and media-brainwashing is what keeps them together. In the end, it's all about manipulation as a means to control to exploit. Our current culture is more or less: consumerism/hedonism, bluepill conditioning and a path toward narcissism. First of all, one thing culture instructs you to do is: HAVE FUN! Video games, parties, movies, TV, fashion, sex, porn, internet (9GAG, college humor, surfing etc.). Not that it is wrong to have fun in life. But this over-consumption does not even give you fun. Would you have fun playing video games 12 hours a day? That is amount most people go through their day. Girls use smartphones to get attention attention attention from faceboock, instagram, youtube all day everyday. Some just ride the CC, become party sluts. One thing is for sure the shit is addictive. But the shit is not giving them happiness in their unfulfilled life.

I think deep down, the way people are pushed into hedonism is because they are psychologically damaged some way, as in they are lacking something. Like a 200 kg whale who keeps eating because she is unhappy. Well, she is not unhappy because she is a whale, she is a whale because she tries to solve her unhappiness through eating, trying to fill that void in her psyche. We all know what blue-pill does to men, it makes them pussy starved. They crave for female attention.

And guess what, all is because of structure society; the method of exploitation. It's not about letting the perpetrators run free, it is about creating them and releasing them. Making you sick first, then selling you the medicine. Medicine in the form of pain killers (hedonist life) or maybe you would prefer compensating it (self-improvement material)?

I don't think necessarily being a player, keeping n count is the best way to "cut your losses" strategy. That is still trying to fill in a void. You just replaced the former material (TV, video games etc.) with another (girls). Don't get me wrong, live your life the way you want and yes have sex with a lot of women because that's what men are born to do. What I mean is, to avoid the trap of escaping the problem deep inside. Fill in that void, the way it is meant to be filled; not with some crap.

In other words, shake off all the brainwashing the culture has inflicted upon you. Fill in that void, address your psychological problems. Begin a journey to be whole as a man. Be the way you were meant to be. Then completely slay it! Then you will smile like that 45+ year old hunter.

[–]sd4c 6 points7 points  (1 child)

What's gonna happen when she marries him in 2-3 years? They've already needed one "break" so she could be with other guys and that was a few months in.

DO NOT GET ATTACHED. And the way to do that is not to spend so much damned time with them. Plate 2-3, or none at all. Do not commit.

[–]sd4c 11 points12 points  (0 children)

If you do commit, you will be punished. Your sacrifice will be rewarded for 2-3 days, then the demands will resume escalating. See Briffault's Law:

"Any agreement where the male provides a current benefit in return for a promise of future association is null and void as soon as the male has provided the benefit"

[–]_the_shape_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They've already needed one "break" so she could be with other guys and that was a few months in.

This one flies over the beta's head over and over and strongly supports what you wrote next:

This is why TRP is so necessary for men, you can't blame the women, it's how they are. It's a mans responsibility to take control of himself and his relationships.

At least she's having the decency to not outright cuck the guy, but the beta fails to read between the lines of her message: you're not my first choice, in fact you're a back-up at best, completely written off if I find better at worst.

--"So what now, beta? She wants to try out a few different cocks date a bit, so what are you going to do?"

--"Um, I guess, um, just gonna give her some space, and umm, just sorta hang around in the meantime.."

--"So you're going to wait for her - that's what you're saying..."

--"Umm, yeah, pretty much"

--"Sheesh. Take a seat for a second, son. While you're at it, get a pen and paper so you can take some notes.."

[–]LeftShark86 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's not so much taking control as it is having some self respect. Usually, the right course of action when you're not married is to dump her.

[–]DailyManliness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I meant control in terms of control over yourself such as financial control, emotional control, frame control etc...Self-respect is an aspect of having control over where you are and where you're going

[–]bornredd 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Was out with my friends this weekend and met a woman who has been married for just over a year, short, cute little thing, very religious.

I was invited to this shindig by a mutual friend, and she spent the entire time flirting with me. When I wasn't around, she spent the time asking my friends about me (where'd they meet me, what do I do for a living, am I married, etc). I would have had no idea she was married except for the ring.

[–]DailyManliness 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That is the only way I can tell some women are married. This is why blaming the guy when a woman cheats is absurd. If a woman doesn't have a ring there's no way to know if she's with someone. They rarely act like it.

[–]uhHerpDerp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If she's very religious I'd think she's probably doing recon for a sister / girlfriend

[–]theneoroot 7 points8 points  (1 child)

It doesn't really help the club culture (aka CC, cock carousel) of doing drugs, drinking till you pass out and eating whatever gives the most instant satisfaction at the moment.

Women that work out, eat well and take care of themselves although rare can postpone the wall for a few years, but these CC chicks are believing that whatever happens to them when they get older can be fixed with plastic surgery, not knowing the difference between the skin of a 20yo and a 30 or 40 something hag with a stretched face.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it depends where you live.. When I lived in small towns women tried to settle down early.. Since I've moved closer to a major city I've noticed several women over 35 wanting to have kids..

Oh, and more drunk women.. Never seen so many heavy female drinkers till I moved

[–]atomsk413 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"That the fox could not reach, for all [her] labour, And leaving them declared, they're not ripe yet..."

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Idk about other guys here, but for me it's not the age in years of a woman that bothers me and makes her undateable, but the literal age... Lots of girls I know were heavy partiers, drugs, alcohol, careless sex, smoking etc. I know girls who were an HB8 in their early twenties drop down to a 5 by the time they're 27.

Then there's other factors.. Emotional damage, little or no housekeeping skills (TBH, I keep my place tidier than most women I've met in their 20's), and a very unrealistic outlook on how a healthy relationship functions.

As the old saying goes, you reap what you sow. This isn't really a concept that's strictly gendered. If a guy eats like shit all his life, drinks heavily, does drugs, and has some shitty ME FIRST entitled attitude.. He's probably going to be in shitty shape physically and financially too, thus un-fuckable. I personally knew plenty of guys like this in their late 20's. Beer guts, dead end uninspiring jobs they stay at out of safety, dress like shit, and just put minimal effort into life then wonder why they're so unlucky.

[–]mummersfarce_is_done 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The same is true for both genders. Difference is, women without guidance goes to degenerate hedonism, at least in this age by the influence of our hedonistic culture. We can say culture is the guidance here maybe. So women automatically follow guidance.

Men are not that much different as in they can be led astray easily too. But a man can save himself from this cultural mess provided he has access to relevant information and advice. But a woman needs to be led out of a situation. You can provide all the information and advice to a woman, but she can not save herself unlike a man. She has no use of those things, what she needs is guidance.

This has been my experience so far.

[–]NotUpToAnythingGood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the saying you are looking for is...

It's not the years, it's the miles.

Some younger women look as though they were ridden hard by life and others look as though they've cruised through without a single ounce of effort.

Some of that is genetics but a lot of it is how they took care of themselves. Is the body a temple or a slum tenement?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"For a man, age brings success, wisdom..."

Uh no. The man-truck doesn't stop by when you're 40 to drop a million dollars in gold ingots. Hard work, discipline and experience brings success and wisdom, for anyone. Delusions like this are why women act and see the world the way they do.

[–]DiebytheSword666 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I visited at my own peril.

Yep, she's seems a bit bat-shit crazy. She said that she had four dates with the guy - the first three being good. But she said "we" had to discuss things for an hour on the phone, at, what was it?, 1:00 AM. Guys don't need closure, it's obvious that she was bothering him. Christ, they didn't even have sex.

[–]ELLEN_POO 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Small correction, only the high SMV men are dating the younger girls. The low SMV men aren't dating anyone at all.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I want to feel bad but can't. I'm a little nervous the current age gap I'm used to is going to expand even more. I used to think "8" years was a big gap, now 20 years is nothing. If it gets to 30 years, well, whoa. It is what it is.

I've had some successes, but over my lifespan I've had far more rejections, dry spells, and periods of time where I couldn't pay a woman to have a cup of coffee with me.

[–]RedMoonAscendant 5 points6 points  (1 child)

So damn good.

Just adding my data point out there for you youngsters that are feeling down. I'm 40+. LTR is HB9 who is 20 years my junior.

She's great. Mainly because she recognizes my value to her as a mate. As a 40+, my value is higher than when I was her age.

Fuck those girls your age in their 20's and just keep fucking girls that same age as you get older. They'll get better and better.

Never settle for a girl over 25. It's fine to keep her around forever, but your first date with her she must be under 25.

[–]rot_barth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My personal experience has borne this out to be true. 24-25 seems to be the sweet spot.

[–]paydenbts 5 points6 points  (1 child)

"i am tired of ridding the dick caroussel, i am ready to commit!!!

guys..?..g-guys?!?"

[–]lodro 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"It’s this logic that has most of my 30-something guy friends dating girls fresh out of college. "

Yeah, must be the logic. See - men just don't get it. They don't understand. Why are men so dumb?

Hips, tits, kindness, innocence, girlishness, youth, and a lack of mustachio - these things are obviously, rationally inferior to the power of a career driven woman who knows what she wants and won't take no for an answer because she's 38 and racked with testosterone.

Wait...

[–]blackierobinsin6 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Appearently a guy she wouldn't want 10/20 years ago, now he's supposed to use those year to gain wealth and be with some old bich!?!?

[–]Makonar 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As a 34 yo who has been dating for 5 years a girl 9 years younger - I can assure you, that a 30+ yo woman would be nothing but baggage and arguing, the exact 2 things my gf lacks. It's funny how women always dream of dating a mature, adult guy - girls 14-18 always bragging about some 18-28 yo guy who would be their dream partner, but somehow, women 30-35 don't want to date men 39-45. It's twice as funny when you think how women at their teens are envious about their best friends older boyfriends, but when they hit their best before date, immediately, guys dating younger girls are creeps and younger girls are stupid bimbos.... funny how age changes women views, but most guys stay the same....

[–]ecosci 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Its not that women dont have options but her pool of alphas and badboys has diminished and to think she has to settle for beta bob makes them sad which is were the bitching starts from they all knew this day would come but didnt think it would come because of a favourble society and illogical reasoning lie in your beds cunts.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

less intimidating

What she thinks she is saying: She's a strong grrl and you should be impressed with her ability to have opinions, instead of running away from her like a scared boy.

What we hear her saying: She will have an opinion about everything and throw tantrums if she doesn't get what she wants. We have more important things to do with our time than trying to cage a harpy.

[–]Steve_Wiener 10 points11 points  (1 child)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[–]1edwardhwhite 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They act like what we want should be exclusive to them, that we should have no choice in our love lives simply because it is inconvienent to them.

[–]kgriffen 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Why would I want to date a woman who is more volatile, more intimidating, more questioning, more pressing, more complex, more damaged, more opinionated and more womanly (matronly)?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because men like to be bossed around.. I had a woman say that to me this past week.

[–]RUSTY_LEMONADE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Intimidating, damaged, opinonated? Are these supposed to be virtues? These are obstacles at best, at worst they are a reason to next. WTF?

[–]vicious_armbar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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[–]waldo888 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Its the same game of expecting things to be like they were when it benefits them while enjoying the fruits of modern female life. These "Women" have no respect for nor any idea how to take care of a man at all. They only know how to get something from him. And they expect everything from him. If this guy is taking a young woman for sex only, that is how he also saw this older woman. There is no love, no fidelity, no connection, and no wife or pleasant womanly company just cheap pussy. So of course anything more attractive is better. It used to be you got everything if you gave up everything, and now you don't give shit besides a ride... guess what happens.. you only get a ride.

[–]yomo86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

College aged women are also less old.

[–]Venicedreaming 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Do tell how you tumbled on this article lol. With that said, women are past their prime at 30s, and youth is very attractive in a woman. People can deny all they want, no changing that

[–]inquiringmindswould[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Accidents, happy or otherwise, happen every day...

[–]joh2141 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Fuck I didn't even hit 30 and most girls I date around my age have so much baggage and bullshit crazy attitude like they think the president will eat her shit if she wanted. None of these girls have less than double digit partners. All of them are godforsaken sluts on top of having a million guy friends. Maybe it is just where I live but this is why no one wants to date a woman even close to or post 30. Shit I can get a girl who just entered college looking to have fun and explore new things. That's exciting. Instead I'm supposed to want some lunatic that thinks more emotional baggage and damage and drama is better than carefree, fun, adventure.

Full retard version of hamster mode there.

[–]2Overkillengine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The party lifestyle ages anyone faster than they would have aged otherwise. Staying up all night, alcohol, and drugs will have you looking like 35 when you are only 25, and that's if you are lucky.

And this hits women harder than men because a woman that can't/won't put the bottle and pills away is very likely to bear deformed children- far more so than a man.

This is the trade-off for being the biological bottleneck bearer for human reproduction. A man looking for a long term mate is rightly wary of any woman that appears to have treated this power and attendant responsibility frivolously.

[–]TheRedChemist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Alex sees his stock rising. For a man, age brings success, wisdom, and the Hollywood-approved wrinkles of Robert Redford. And, while I too find that my career is on the up, it doesn’t matter, because time, for a woman, is hardly as kind as it is to a man.

Notice how all she sees is the injustice of his rising stock in the face of hers falling. Never mind the fact that he likely spent the previous 40 years of his life on the bottom looking up, fighting for scraps, while she enjoyed the perks of her own high value. She cannot even perceive it.

[–]Rougepellet 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I love how she perfectly identifies all the evidence staring her kn the face but draws an absurd conclusion. Humans truly are irrational creatures. To shelter our fragile egos, because the truth hurts, we would rather fabricate a more pleasent version of our environment than accept reality.

[–]indlife 3 points3 points [recovered]

If you aren't Chad now, be Alex later.

I predict this is how things are going to be for many women who are now in their teens to mid-20s, maybe even late 20s especially if the whole 80/20, 70/30, or even 60/40 concept is true. Many guys who didn't have a lot of fun in their youth and up that notch count are going just become serial monogamist, and possibly cheat many times just to obtain experiences they missed out on. Once a guy who got nothing finds out he can now get something, he is likely going to want to have all these experiences he missed out on during his young years. While the 'Alex' guys might not be able to experience everything that 'Chad' obtained, he can still rack up numbers by simply doing very short term dating and relationships. Alex can lie and claim he is looking to 'settle down' and 'start something serious,' then easy change his mind two or three months later. Young women in their late 20s and into their 30s know they have to have sex to even begin to start considering the committed path. Will be interesting to see how things are in the dating and marriage world in about ten years from now.

[–]inquiringmindswould[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is true. They've no legs to stand on (no pun intended) if they try the chaste, "True Love Waits" act. If they want even a hope of landing a long-term partner, they gotta put out. The Alexes of the world may be arriving late, but they are no mopes- they know these women have been around the block a time or two.

That leaves these women vulnerable to the counter-strategy "pump 'n dump". If they don't put out, Alex will leave (which is exactly what happened in the article).

[–]Tarnsman4Life 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The lack of self awareness is so funny. If the 30 year old woman had been smart she would have kept her partner count low or non existent , learned to cook, clean and be a good partner in her late teens/early twenties. Then by 21-25 she could have found someone of high value who would be willing to commit because her value in SMV and self worth is high.

Instead she probably spent her teens and 20's fucking anyone who was "hot" and would stick it in. Now that she is 30 she realizes that the age of the men interested in her has slowly creeped up into a range where the men she finds attractive won't commit to someone with the 1000 cock stare and can easily through their wealth and experience fuck younger, more fun, more attractive women. The men who will commit she finds unsuitable for various reasons thus they are invisible E: "I can't find a man!"

As for Alex I consider myself an Alex, I spent most of my 20's with the same woman. She was a good woman or so I thought but I got oneitis and found out about 7 years in she started fucking other guys (and women) behind my back. Now that I am over 30 I am taking full advantage to catch up by pulling 18-21 year olds with daddy issues. Spending most of my 20's nose to the grindstone with work and not solely focused on chasing pussy enabled me to get well ahead of my peers in my career, which has enabled me in part to pull these chicks.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I will start caring about a chick's masters degree in whatever she got it in when I can have sex with it.

[–]Venny_1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Girls who, in my experience, are less impressive

basic projection, but let's see what she means by that.

less striving

Striving means setting goals for yourself and trying to achieve them on a daily basis. A person studying daily for months for his finals is no less striving than an architect directing a project on a daily basis for months too.

less volatile

And that's a negative because?

less successful

Success is basically tied with striving. Striving is the journey itself, and success is the ending point. If the above is achieved, then succes will be close at hand.

less intimidating

If a woman applies the concept of intimidation in a relationship, then the guy needs to get the fuck out. Intimidation, or dread game, is a tool only to be had at a man's disposal. When applied by a woman, it SHOULD be useless.

less questioning, less pressing

Of course! The girls are in their sexual prime (early 20s), and the guys are in their sexual prime (late 20s-40s). They are just enjoying each other at their highest values!

less complex

Easy with the basic projection! You think having led 35+ years makes you complex? It's actions and mental fortitude that cover that, and not how long it takes to get there.

less damaged, less opinionated

I see only positives there.

less powerful

Yeah, cause behind every powerful woman, there is man, or did I get the saying wrong? Besides, I love me some bossy bitch!

less womanly.

By biological metrics alone, that is simply not the case. A 20 year old woman is more fertile, more beautiful, releases more pheromones for attracting mates, has lesser percentile chance to siren a child with birth defects or pregnancy complications, is psychologically not stunted, etc.

They are less, and, to a guy not ready for anything -- like most of the guys I have dated in New York -- less is more.

Welcome to wall honey!!!

[–]nicetimeisback 6 points6 points [recovered]

What make me crazy about this wall thing is that the more they get post-wall the more they get desperate, but also the more they get difficult to fuck.

I got this chick who i used to meet (sex) from time to time, kind of longterm FWB, meet her every few years, 15 yrs ago it was very smooth, now the more the time pass the more difficult it's becoming.

Still i can't understand why

[–]1nonthaki 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Past her sexual prime . A woman's renewed sexual energy during her 40s is more about having sex with multiple (to be aroused by the validation and acceptance) close-friendship or relationship partners than having sex multiple times with her own hubby .

[–]donkey_democrat 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because now they realize the value they had all that time. Unfortunately they think their sexual value is the same as when they were longer, leading to an entitled, branch swinging mentality.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

" striving, less volatile, less intimidating, less questioning, less pressing, less complex, less damaged, less opinionated, less powerful, less womanly."

Women and the writer don't understand that men are players in the most competitive game in the world and don't need that shit at home. A woman who's all those things listee is a better match period.

[–]Limekill 1 point2 points  (1 child)

less damaged

True.

less volatile, less pressing, less opinionated,

And thats bad right? Because nothing shows me love like an opinionated woman who is pressing you to 'man up', who is volatile because she wants a baby.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Volatile = unstable.

Don't press me. Got enough of that from the world and myself. Press with me, not at me.

Opinionated is good about not me.

[–]Mythicalflavour 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I almost didn't believe it was all true until the last year where I stopped placing limits on myself and started dating again (after a few years focused on self) 32 top 0.1% of bodies out there. Good job and I find girls all over.

On tinder at 32 I first had it around 27-33 age for women. Low and behold, those around 30 were crazy and would bring up talk of wanting kids often on the first meet. I opened up my range all the way down to 20. Then started getting matches all these matches round 20-25.

In no time at all I was hooking up with fit young girls. Nurses, personal trainers, physio's. It's awesome. Will never date a girl my age again.

[–]Friendly_B 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My last 3 girlfriends were 19. My random 2nd date hookup on vacation last week was 27. I've turned into the dude I used to hate when I was in my 20s and I'm not letting it get to my head. It's natural.

[–]Nergaal 1 point2 points  (1 child)

"It’s this logic that has most of my 30-something guy friends dating girls fresh out of college. Girls who, in my experience, are less impressive, less striving, less volatile, less successful, less intimidating, less questioning, less pressing, less complex, less damaged, less opinionated, less powerful, less womanly. They are less, and, to a guy not ready for anything -- like most of the guys I have dated in New York -- less is more."

Half of those qualifiers are absolute plusses. Most of the others aren't even true

[–]inquiringmindswould[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's willful blindness, really.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh relax SugarTits, there are plenty of guys for you @ 30 now that you can no longer compete for AlphaCock.

Thing is, these guys have pot bellies, poor social skills, and are simpering betas.

Enjoy! At least you won't starve

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Intimidating? Old girls are intimidating? Hot shit I can barely write because of the laughter.

Less damage? Usually that is the case, but if it is the damage is often self inflicted.

Here's what is why we are not chasing girls our age. What they have less of. Demands. Wrinkles. Saggy bits. Drama. Kids from some other guy. Baggage. Debt. A huge list of poor life choices. Just to name a few.

If a girl over 30 gets to ride my cock, it's because she has earned it and still looks decent. Earning it by not being a demanding cunt, not shit testing the fuck out of me, by gladly offering her body to me so I can enjoy it however and whenever I want, everything is on the table.

For an old girl to stay in the game, she has to bring only the good and the great, the bullshit needs to stay locked away. If she doesn't take much for that 35-45 girl to be replaced by a much hotter 20 something that will do whatever I tell her to do. She has to work for it, more so than the young ones, because 20 year old tits are nicer, and a 22 year old snatch is tighter, plus it's all in a better looking package.

This chick writing will either be alone with cats, or find a desperate loser who will be almost torture for her to pity fuck.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The truth is on her lips and yet she's to afraid to actually type them out. Hilarious. She's hamstering so fast it's going light speed.

In reality she knows that women are only one thing to a man. Which is looks, looks, looks. All her achievements mean nothing to a man, her personality, her experience and her opinions are in fact nothing but a hurdle to a man. In order to cut to the sex.

For succesfull men this is simply not worth the effort. Why spend an entire weekend backhanding shit test and besting the volatile waters of a heavily opinionated power tripping wall hitter if you can fuck a dumb fuck doll that just got out of college and knows fuck all but flashing her tits.

It's still funny to me that women actually don't realize how much of a nuisance they are to men. They actually believe their strong personalities make them 'quirky'. Hahahahaha..

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Young women are less womanly? What?

[–]inquiringmindswould[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. Convenient once you are an older women, right? It's hard to believe that they believe it.

[–]_the_shape_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"I'm sorry, but it's too far gone - your hamster is simply too much. I give you 5, 7, maybe 10 more years if you're lucky before you become a full-blown crazy cat lady. Just try to get as comfortable as possible, come to terms with your condition and make peace with the World. I'm so sorry. I wish you the best", I imagine a red 'doctor', if such a thing ever existed, telling this one..

...but the show must go on!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To reflect what daily manliness has said... women nowadays don't want to listen to good advice from anyone much less men. By drinking hard, not taking care of themselves, all the detrimental shit that comes with partying they end up looking old as shit by 25. Nevermind once the college lifestyle goes things get desperate (unless they get a great job). Still a nice way of how things are in our society that things turn to our favor.

[–]Stythe 3 points4 points  (7 children)

I have an 18 year old plate. Shes a mix black girl. Her mom is strict. Like, ridiculously strict. Helicopter parent strict. ....Her mom is pretty nuts. I've never dated anyone as submissive. Shes actually ridiculously obedient. There's more to it than just her age, but I can see the appeal. More than that, She's not drinking/party girl, which helps a lot.

I've considered trying to LTR her, but I'm not really for that at the moment. If I was, I'd probably choose her.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

That brings back memories.. I had a 18 year old submissive mixed plate back when I was 30..

She actually turned out to be insane and tried to milk me for money with a fake pregnancy.. Sex was fantastic tho!!

[–]Stythe 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I'm wary of that. I had a BPD ex that led me here and I still consistently look for red flags. Though what I see with her is good, my gut is wary. Her mom being crazy, her having no father as hers cheated on her mom and the smaller signs of potential crazy I see such as consistently dying her hair and her having a tattoo set off too many warning bells.

The best way to explain is that I see her wanting a relationship more than a relationship with me. Now given everything known in TRP, that's an obvious given fact, BUT I'm not set. We'll see.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yea, sounds familiar.. Just be careful. I was amazed at just how quickly that girl turned on me.. Not to mention what she hide beforehand (like her stripping job)

[–]Stythe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea, I don't think this girl is that crazy. Shes been a plate for over 6 months, I've met some of her friends and fron what I've seen she's about as legit as I've seen. But I still have my doubts. That's probably due to being burned before, but I'm doing my thing regardless.

If there's negatives to find, I'll find them. Or if I don't, I can bail just as easily. My ex destroyed my naivety, so I doubt I'll ever get attached again mentally.

[–]RedMoonAscendant -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Why not LTR her? Just tell her it's not exclusive. Make her help you bring home some other girls.

[–]Stythe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If not for exclusivity there's no reason in my mind for an LTR. Most plates I get last 3-6 months at least. The only difference I see between plating and LTRing is whether or not I'm seeing more than one person.

Beyond that I'm not sold on her due to red flags and my own attraction level, though the latter may be a good thing.

[–]HeatseekingLogicBomb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A piece OP didn't get to:

After decades after messing around, they’re ready to settle down.

We have the time to do so (which she acknowledges) and the dating market is trash. We (liberated / TRP style men) don't squander our primes. But let's read on...

Which is precisely where Alex was at about a year ago with his ex-fiancé, who -- kudos to Alex -- was four years his senior and under the crushing pressure of having kids right away, lest the opportunity pass them by altogether -- or, more precisely, pass her by.

Okay, so, a year ago. Right now he's 38. 37+4=41. That ship, the one for healthy babies and a mother with energy to handle 18 years, for Alex's ex, has long sailed.

Alex couldn’t handle the idea of having kids right away and broke it off, because he had the luxury his fiancé did not: namely, time. And the ability to eventually, when he was ready, find someone 15 years younger to have children with.

So yes, they are somewhat self aware. They're just greedy little hypocrites.

Refer back to the top. We're the ones waiting decades fucking around, only to be ready to settle down (as her implication goes) far too late? It's only too late for her/their convenience. The truth of that is plastered all over this article a hamster shat out almost verbatim as it occurred to itself, while the woman in possession of said hamster tinkered around to sugarcoat and spin. Laughable. Let's keep going.

Alex: Well, what do you want?

Me: I want to love someone and I want them to love me.

Alex: You? You think you’re loveable? You think someone can fall in love with you? You’re so guarded. How can anyone fall in love with someone so guarded?

Alex, of course, self-professed amazing person that his is, is not very well versed in Newton’s Third Law and its role in relationship physics. I was guarded because he did things that made me sense he had a girlfriend. Which he did. But that’s not his fault. Because Alex the Architect is amazing!

So first she starts out by saying:

It’s 1 a.m. on a Monday and I am currently on the phone having an argument with a guy I’d only been on four dates with, three of them good. One of them -- the last -- was less good, given he had gone MIA for the better part of three weeks and I had a sneaking suspicion he had a girlfriend.

Then later she says she was guarded because of that suspicion. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Alex, who clearly isn't falling for any BP romanticism narrative, withdrew attention at least in part because she was already guarded on the first dates.

Consider what we talk about here, and consider her next sentence after that previous quote is:

We hadn’t slept together,

Alex wasn't interested in some post-wall bitch playing hard to get. So complex, right? So, back to her self awareness failing. I am not sure how you can manage to process your own life, think about an article, prepare for it, and write it, and re-read it, edit it, and not realize what the fuck you are missing. Oh, wait. Yeah I know how that works. Female solipsism and total lack of introspective ability.

As though any amount of talking is going to make this better, Alex continues to tell me about Anouk, who doesn’t mind him going on dates with other women because he “doesn’t love her,” and who he is dating precisely because she’s not looking for anything at all.

First off, Anouk has different goals, and so appreciates social proofing. She also is still more instinctively drawn to DGAF, as the biological clock isn't beating her about the head yet.

So was Alex letting her down in a manner he thought was "easy"? And it kicked the hamster into hyperdrive like a steel-toed boot rattling a cage? Indeed he was trying in his own foolish way, OR, he was testing her to see if his own hamster knowledge was accurate. Given that she ran off and wrote an article about how it's the end of the world, we can conclude he followed through and nexted her regardless of which it was.

Her final sentence:

Age ain’t nothing but a number, until it’s a number someone else doesn’t want to deal with.

Age is fucking relevant, retard. You just blathered on about it for the majority of your article.

In conclusion: "kudos to Alex" for dating a 41 year old, "fucking die Alex" for dating a 23 year old.

-- From the comments section on that page I advise you go read them, they're fucking hilarious (and interestingly quite aware) (the numbers are upvotes):

Guy comments on the OP, then a shitstorm ensues. It was listed as the top comment chain for me, a response to "berae".

  • McPot @ ohheyitsina • 2 years ago When this slut was 20 and was dating men in their 30s, she didn't mind the age gap. Neither did she care about the 30-something women that were being ignored. Now that she is one of them, she suddenly cares. A woman past the age of 25 is old. Period. A woman looks best between 16 and 20. In those years she should work to attract the best male she possibly can and stay with him. Frankly any woman who is above 30 and is still dating is pathetic.

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  • Lady_Frenzy @ McPot • 2 years ago You are one sick f***, y'know that?

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  • McPot @ Lady_Frenzy • 2 years ago Yes, I am a sick f*ck, but you know what's the best part? Women prefer sick fcks to so called "nice guys". You Western women are the very proof that no matter how many years you may spend in college, or how old you are, you'll always be stupid. Why? Because you waste your short youth dating and getting banged by studs or boyfriends that are not husband material, but then when you are much less attractive, much more entitled, and unbelievably useless as partners, you suddenly want a "nice guy" to settle down with.

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  • annebeth @ McPot • 2 years ago hahahaha you don't even know how much of a cliché you are

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  • McPot @ annebeth • 2 years ago I'm a cliche...Says the woman behind a blog about fashion. How ironic.

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  • annebeth McPot • 2 years ago Hey, I never claimed I was original, so that's really nothing but a childish retort. You are preaching the old red pill discourse about how you see through dumb women and have figured it alllll out, this sex war thing, and you've come out on top, but so many douchebags before you have said the exact same thing. And you know what all of you had in common? You are all bitter, arrogant sexists. Not someone who "sees through it". Take some responsibility for your own flaws and let other people figure out theirs.

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  • David @ annebeth • 2 years ago If he weren't right, OP would not have found herself with the problem she wrote this post about. It's not really a cliche, because for a brief several decades it wasn't all that true. OP probably saw women 10 and 20 years older than herself dating into their late 30's and figured she had plenty of time. But male strategy changed and suddenly her dating life became difficult far too soon for her plans.

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  • annebeth @ David • 2 years ago And what historical facts is this based on? Several decades ago, men didn't date younger women? Male strategy changed? So all men and women have a fixed dating strategy, and the male one changed after a couple of decades of being different? None of this makes sense and none of this is based on anything but bitter douche philosophy.

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  • David @ annebeth • 2 years ago Well yes, it seems to me that several decades ago, men were more amenable to dating older women and also more willing to date single mothers. Recently it seems to me that they are less willing to do so, opting instead to seek younger women, overseas women or simply no women (MGTOW). I don't have some academic sort of studies to back this impression up but neither do you to support your baseless ad-hominem assertions.. Why would I be bitter? I am married 20 years so far. And OP wrote this whole article supporting my view. That's a datapoint. Why don't you ask her for her supporting evidence? Is she a bitter douche? Are you?

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  • annebeth @ David • 2 years ago In other words, you are basing a generalization on nothing but your own anecdotal memories. Not very impressive. I'm not making broad generalizations about societal trends, so I don't have to prove that I think people who say stuff like this are dumb. The article only supports that this particular woman finds it hard to find a date, and based on one negative experience with a guy who sounds like just as much of a catch as she does (in other words: not). No idea why you'd be bitter, but then again I have no idea why you as a married man of 20 years would feel the need to tell others that their dating strategy sucks and is out of synch with the times (again, based on nothing but MRA rhetoric). Please.

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  • David @ annebeth • 2 years ago So you disclaim any responsibility to support anything including your characterization (only slightly indirect) of me as a bitter douche. BTW OP is pretty hot and it's not clear to me that she's no longer "catch" material. That someone with her shape is having trouble is a significant datapoint. You should post your full-body photo and then we can compare your body with OP's. As for personality, she didn't insult me, so I'd put her ahead of you on that. Or is that just because I don't like strong and challenging women?

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Chick fails to make any real dispute of any substance. Then flees, after self aggrandizing character attacks and disqualification by affiliation when confronted by someone who is being more diplomatic.

The comments continue, though not by annebeth the idiot Feminist, but go check them yourself.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol This is funny. I mean, shit happens. People leave people for other people they find to be attractive. This guy is almost 40... Chances are, he'll probably leave the 20 something for a hot 30 something. Then leave her for another. shrug

Her attempt at rationalizing is a fail. The other chick probably gives him more of what he desires or he simply isn't a faithful guy to begin with. Its simple really.

[–]bad_pattern10 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they'd like mightily to shame the older-man younger-woman scenario. unfortunately in their dismantling of the slut shaming framework they have left themselves without the capacity to socially police anything. shame is a social construct and we are all unique and at the same time COMPLETELY EQUAL individuals who don't need no one else besides the state

[–]satanicpriest13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tfw Chad now and transitioning into Alex steadily. We're all gonna make it brehs.

[–]RedDeadlift 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A bit trial and error, but more be in environments where you have confidence. Try to find a hobby you enjoy and excel at which also has a good m/f ratio.

[–]33a5t 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–]Faymozilla 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wanna b Alex when I grow up!

[–]slutnip 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–]someboringdude 0 points1 point  (1 child)

fresh out of college? gross. i like them when theyre just walking thru the door.

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[–]An_All-Beef_Engineer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

less striving, less volatile, less intimidating, less questioning, less pressing, less complex, less damaged, less opinionated, less powerful

Doesn't this sound like the ideal woman to be with???

[–]tolerantman 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Time is good for a man... if you manage to get rich, of course, if you are a broke old man, you have less chances than the 16 year olds...

[–]inquiringmindswould[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right. Effort matters. But emotionally, it is very different for men & women.

For healthy women, it's like they are given $1M the day they turn 18, but she cannot keep it forever. The average healthy man has no endowments on his 18th birthday, and may only become a millionaire with hard work. But once he has it, it cannot be taken away. There are trade-off to this. Many men will never earn that $1M- but the opportunity was available for most.

[–]WildFox87 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know if it's just me, but it seems that there's been a definite shift in the culture in terms of older men dating younger women. For example, but in the early 2000s late 90s many of the most desirable actors and such seemed to be mid thirties. But now, it seems our culture is promoting these pre pubescent type boys ie Bieber. Even in movies, you have the villain being these fresh faced dorks as opposed to someone truly rugged and scary.

The bottom line is, there's zoological evidence to support why it's so much easier when you get older. Genetically speaking, you have stronger dna. You've survived longer. Think silver back gorillas, silver meaning grey.

[–]LeJacquelope 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I have a different perspective on this. This is the same thing as when nice guys say "why won't women date nice guys!" So let's apply the feminist logic to this, shall we?

1) Nobody is owed a date, sorry feminists but that also includes women. If guys like younger women then that's their prerogative. You know, just like it's a woman's prerogative to date a bad boy drug dealing biker. Except the latter can get you killed but hey. 2) Lots of men date older women, look at Vivica Fox, Sandra Bullock, Halle Berry (she even had kids when she was older!), Mariah Carey (ditto), and so on. Old fat women find husbands, too, imagine that! The article writer's problem is she's not one of those women. 3) Men also date older, successful women. See the above list. Which means 4) If your fallback is that men don't like strong and successful women then your problem is that you really aren't strong or successful, you're whiny and entitled and that's what's driving men away.

And THIS is why feminists like to avoid me, LOL.

[–]inquiringmindswould[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Feminist logic"- an oxymoron if I've ever heard one! Good points, here. People seems to treat exceptions as the rule as a mental salve to deny reality. Like: "College dropouts can become tech billionaires."

Oh yeah? First of all, they got into & matriculated at Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford or some equally elite college. Moreover, look at who works for and runs the companies. Management and project leaders all have degrees from said institution. The founders are the least credentialed people at their companies!

[–]sdonaldsonjr 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Approaching my 30's and dating a 20 year old girl is attractive because she hasn't had 10 years of getting wrecked by Chads. She still hasn't reached her prime yet, and I can pretty much afford anything she could ever want to do in her early 20's. I've already been through most life experiences at this point, and I can pretty much gauge everything a 20 year old might be thinking. The trick is finding the right girl in her early 20's. It's possible but like finding a unicorn, sometimes you just have to find the best pony and epoxy a horn on its head. lol

[–]inquiringmindswould[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You got that right. Enjoy it while it's your turn.

[–]summersss 0 points1 point  (1 child)

She's criticizing men; by taking a giant dump on girls in their 20's. This boils down to "Men don't like me because I'm so amazing and all other younger pretty girls suck!" forgetting that in order to reach 30 she was once 20.

[–]inquiringmindswould[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's symptomatic of a general lack of wisdom- or disdain for it. Mothers, aunts, older women used to advise younger women that following their impulses should be checked by their limited time frame. Nowadays, no one is there to give advice anymore or are shouted down as misogynist and/or browbeaten into silence. It is only the pain of experience that can reveal reality. The question is: does she truly and faithfully explain her experiences & mistakes to the next generation, or does she double down?

Experience suggests the latter before the former.

[–]evolveto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a 31 year old, there seems to be light, somewhere in the future!

[–]RenaissanceMan79 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sure she rode the cock carousel a plenty in her 20s, which is why she's still single now. Sucks for her.

[–]blackierobinsin6 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

If a woman isn't taking care of a kid/husband past 20, then she really has no reason to be alive