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Welcome newcomers. We've prepared a great sidebar for you. Please do go ahead and read that, then sort by TOP > All Time and read that.

Every so often, there's a post about how TheRedPill has some great stuff about confidence and self-improvement, but it's all going to kill you on the inside. The most recent one came up earlier and so I thought I'd respond.

Feel free to ask questions or discuss below, there's lot of smart people here to help you.

The OP, with his post at the top: http://archive.is/ctopL

My reply:

I thought I'd challenge some of your points, I have some time waiting for my flight.

I'd preface this with a statement that TheRedPill, which has come out of the PUA community, is 100% a male focused strategy. It's interested in attaining the most utility for men, so it doesn't matter when people complain about it's "tone" towards women, because it's tone doesn't matter: TRP is not about what's best for women.

Secondly, I'll inb4 anyone tries to reject my arguments by saying something like, "You just sound like an angry virgin." (As if being a virgin, as a guy, is a bad thing.)

Why is it weird/wrong that we enjoy a prolonged adolescence where sex is fun and the points don't matter?

Because the points do matter. Studies have shown that having multiple prior sexual partners dramatically increases your odds of being unhappy in your marriage, which leads to divorce.

Often Cited Source

Another with more weight, since I don't like that one so much.

No one wants to date a man that whores himself around to feel less empty inside anymore than they want to date a woman who does the same.

I disagree. In my experience, when I'm in a bar and I come with 2 girl friends, picking up is much easier. Women like to see that other women want you.

A man who "whores himself around" has strong social skills, high emotional intelligence and a life that is attractive to the women around him. Good luck being a sexually active man if you're overweight, have no ambitions or confidence and can't talk to girls.

A women who does the same is a slut because this takes 0 effort. I've seen fat, ugly girls who have abrasive personalities going home with guys because the guy is thirsty.

Now, for a women to get a relationship from a wealthy and attractive man who is on his game, she must have good social skills, an interesting life and be charming enough to entice him.

A lock that is opened by any key is a shitty lock, a key that opens any lock is a master key.

Mind you, if she fucks you, she's a whore.

You're falling into the logical fallacy of oversimplification. I don't want to get into the pages that have been written about what you just tried to describe in four lines.

The fact is that women today bring little to the table. (Men are in many cases just as bad, hence TRP's preaching about self-improvement.)

Women and men trade sex for resources, at a basic biological level. Biology creates culture, which then creates ideology. More on this here if you don't understand.

If I meet a girl, kinda drunk, grinding on the dance floor, I can safely assume that she's not a virgin. From there, I can read the rest of her through our interactions until I have a general idea of what I'm willing to pay (in terms of commitment) for having sex with her.

If she takes a shitty deal and doesn't get ANY commitment out of me, that's very unattractive because she's probably slept with a TON of men before me. Men generally choose charming, happy, youthful girls, rather than jaded, abrasive and older (in spirit or in body) girls. If you've been with 50+ guys and been unable to extract any level of long-term commitment from them, that's really going to fuck with your head. More on the "1000 cock stare" here. And in that case, why would I want to commit to you? Why buy the cow, if you get the milk for free?

On the flip side, if a girl who doesn't bring anything to the table (isn't charming, isn't fun to be around, constantly challenges you, can't care for you on some level, etc.) then she can't ask much from me. I'm not going to wait 3 months to have sex with you because it's not worth the effort. Your friends will have sex with me, and they're just as vapid and boring as you.

For example, this girl gets pumped and dumped by a hot guy she's excited about and then gets mad about it. She is now telling her audience that waiting is the right idea. Sorry honey, but if you're not going to compete for men on price, you have to compete in other ways.

To sum it up, if I overpay (I take you out for 3 months when the last 7 guys fucked you on the first night) then I'm a chump. If you undercharge (You sleep with me 2 hours after meeting me) then you're a whore.

If you want to have a long-term relationship, then find a women who brings serious value and isn't a whore.

and not judge the women who do the same. [have casual sex]

Because men and women are different. Men are the keepers of commitment. (He decides when the relationship starts, he asks you out.) And women are the keepers of sex. (She decides when she consents to having sex, anything else is rape.)

A man who gives away his commitment easily is a man who falls in love with every girl who gives him attention. He's needy and desperate and it's pathetic to women (and everyone). Just the same, a women who gives her sexuality away easily is not worthy of commitment. These girls been sluts since the dawn of time, it's only now we're trying to change the definition.

The only people who insist you do [accept their ideology], reject you if you don't, are cults.

Obviously, this is not the case. Go to TRP right now and take a look into the threads. It's basically a giant debate. TRP advises against marriage, yet has a meta tag for, and often discusses, the problems facing men who are already in marriages.

They often debate the merits of marriage as "life on hard mode", and the benefits of bringing children into this world who you can mold into powerful men and supportive women.

To say there is no discussion in TRP is disingenuous.

That's a problem we MUST address.

So who is going to do it? Who is addressing these problems you claim are real for men? Are you?

Are you starting a community that offers advice and help for young men who are completely lost?


You're just a critic that wants to silence something that makes you uncomfortable, while offering no alternatives. Meanwhile, feminism continues it's march to destroy masculinity.

Every so often, there is a post or comment on Reddit about how TRP "seems not to work and [can] be really damaging". It gets a zillion comments and gets on on the front page. It says, "TRP has some really great things to say, but in the end it's really bad for you. I wish they'd tone it down a bit."

But then the subscribers jump significantly in the weeks afterwards because it's not "much to do about nothing".

On that note, I'd like to welcome anyone reading this to go check out TheRedPill. Form your own opinions. Just a tip: before you start posting, I'd get a cup of coffee and start going through ALL of the sidebar. A lot of effort has been put into curating it.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (5 children)

Attention new readers!

A guided tour of the sidebar made just for newbies like you.

A quick rebuttal of some of the arguments made against this community.

For those wondering what the hell is going on, a CMV thread mentioned us and then it got bestof'd.

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[–]RPthrowaway123 25 points26 points  (17 children)

A few quick acrnoyms/terms:

  • AWALT and NAWALT - All Women Are Like That/Not All women Are Like That

  • AF/BB - Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks (sometimes shortenede to alpha fux beta bux) basically short for the idea that women want alpha genes, they want to fuck/date alphas, but when it's time for stability (i.e. marriage) they find some poor wimpy beta and make him into their provider. Typically the beta doesn't get half the desire, sex, or fun that the alphas got out of the women. Women tell these betas that they have "won" somehow.

  • TRP - the red pill

  • her number - generally, the number of guys she has slept with

  • Alpha - strong, confident, dominant. I don't presume to speak for everyone's concept of alpha but these traits are commonly mentioned.

  • Beta - supplicating, pathetic, validation-seeking. Again, these are probably the most common traits I see associated with being beta.

  • LTR - long term relationship

  • ONS - one night stand

  • PUA - pickup artist (generally, refers to the community of pickup artists)

Any ones I'm forgetting?

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[–]RPthrowaway123 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Ah, I knew I was forgetting one. SMV - sexual market value. The concept comes from the book The Rational Male.

[–]UziNidalee 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Social or Sexual Market Value - Basically how highly people rate you as a person.

[–]adam_varg 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Since you are newbie... meaning of AWALT isnt, that literally every women is like that, but "all women are capable of that" and lot of them will/would do that in some situation.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 7 points8 points  (3 children)

It is all women are "like" that. Not all women are EXACTLY like that.

All women have a tendency to cheat, especially if you are not providing leadership. It doesn't mean all women cheat...but all women are "like" that. This is a very useful shorthand that Blue Pill distorts into something that was never intended.

[–]adam_varg 1 point2 points  (2 children)

English isnt my first language and little nuances are easy to miss for me sometimes, so i reckon you are right.

Could you pinpoint where i made mistake? I still see what i wrote as same who you wrote, just different words..

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You didn't miss anything, not sure what the response intended to be honest.

[–]spacecase89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

RMV is sometimes used as relationship market value, similar to SMV

[–]enfier 8 points8 points [recovered]

You should change that definition of Beta. Beta qualities are the ones that keep a woman around like being able to pay the bills. If you want an LTR or marriage, you'll want to pull from both Alpha and Beta qualities, erroring on the side of Alpha if in doubt.

If all you've got is Beta qualities, then prepare to have to jump through hoops to get laid. If all you want is to get laid, then you have no need for Beta qualities.

Alpha is what makes her want to fuck, beta is what makes you useful to raising a family.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

HB -- Hot Babe, generally followed by a numerical value up to 10.

E.g. I fucked the dog-shit out of that HB10 last night bro.

[–]TRP_DarkTriad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Didn't see your comment until I scrolled down. Repeated this :(

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Omega - bottom of the social hierarchy, offers nothing of value to the world.

[–]TRP_DarkTriad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had a hard time figuring out this acronym when I was a newbie here

HB(n) - Hot Babe(n) - The universal scale of rating girls ranging from 1 to 10. HB10 being the most beautiful and the HB1 being the least.

[–]RPFlame 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you're planning to post and stick around for a while, you should make a RP-only account. Redditors tend to peek into your history and call you names if you don't agree with their beliefs, and some subreddits auto-ban people who post here.

[–]smokebloom 3 points3 points [recovered]

Not really. I found that it's best to google the acronym with "red pill" or "trp" appended and the correct definition will come up.

[–]shhRP 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Another tip, as you're reading the sidebar (which does explain all the ridiculous acronyms we have, I believe) look through TRP and sort by 'best - all time'

should give you some really good reading for the next couple of days.

[–]alvlear 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just look at the sidebar: Glossary of Terms and Acronyms, under The Rules & Glossary.

This is the best managed subreddit of all time.

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