MetaWomen Have Dating/Sex Problems Too. They're Just Not YOUR Problems. (self.TheRedPill)

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Maybe it's not popular to say it, but I will say it.

Women have problems with dating and sex. And they are tough problems.

But they're not your problems.

Let me explain.

Take your average woman. She's a 6 in attractiveness -- attractive enough to get a male 7 as a boyfriend. She's also attractive enough to get male 9s and the occasional 10 for sex, but getting commitment from one of them is never going to happen. Come on guys, you know these women. You know 25 of them in real life and you go to school or work with at least 10 of them.

She's got a tough row to hoe, a needle that is very, very difficult to thread. She has to find a man she's attracted to and who is dominant and confident, able and willing to support her and sire/father her children. She has to find a man whose clothes she wants to rip off and whose cock she wants to suck twice a day; but who she's also willing to pad around an apartment with in her fuzzy slippers and sweats. She has to find a man she really, really wants sex with; but the catch is that the man also has to be one who really, really wants to keep her long term.

Her prime problem is that almost all the time, she can find men who fit one bill or the other, but not both. Most of the men she can find are either (1) hot but don't want to stick around after they fuck her a few times; or (2) want to be her boyfriend and will offer a relationship; but she doesn't want to fuck them at all because it would be like fucking her brother or her bestie.

She's in a tough spot.

But... and pay attention here. All that is not your problem.

Society and the culture tells you it is your problem. You have to offer yourself up to be her Boyfriend, because that's how you're going to get sex. Society tells you this is your problem because our hypothetical girl is Not Happy, and it is men's job to Make Her Happy. What's more, you're told that if you Make Her Happy then She Will Make You Happy ("happy" being you will get your dick wet).

Well, no. No, being a Boyfriend will not Make Her Happy. You undertaking herculean effort to satisfy her will just make her less happy. You beta boyfriends don't enrapture her with joy; you just piss her off.

Stop trying to solve your dating/sexual problems by taking on and trying to solve HER problems. Her problems are not your problem to solve.

Men, YOUR dating/sexual problems will be well on the way to being solved when you focus on yourselves, your wants, needs, hopes, dreams and desires. Your dating/sexual problem is that you are not awesome and your lives aren't what you want them to be. You're overweight, you don't eat well, and you don't take care of yourself. You don't exercise, you don't take care of your body and you don't dress well. You don't look and feel your best. You don't like your job or you're not all that good at your job. You don't have anything in your life you really enjoy being or doing, just for you.

You don't need to be nicer; you need to hit the gym. You don't need a girlfriend; you need more men around you to sharpen and hone you. You don't need to spend time figuring out how to be what she wants; you need to spend more time deciding who you are. You don't need to spend money on her; you need to get some better clothes and a haircut.

Her problems are not YOUR problems. Let her figure out that Chad's not coming back. Let her figure out how to get commitment from a suitable man. YOU need to figure out how to be the most awesome man you can be. When you are, then you'll be the one who decides on commitment or not; you'll decide how and when and where your resources are best allotted.

EDIT Good discussion on what many women's dating and romantic life problems are. I think it's great we as men can identify them. We can even talk about who's got it worse, if you want to, I guess. I can empathize with women on that. I can put myself in their shoes and say "yeah, they've got it pretty bad in that respect. I can see how that would cause a woman a lot of strife and frustration."

But the thing is, it's not my problem to solve. And it isn't yours either. Identify it. Mull it over, empathize if you want. But don't try to fix it, solve it, resolve it, change it, alleviate it, or wish it weren't so. Just don't. Because you can't alleviate it one bit. You cannot change it. Wishing it away is totally ineffective. The ONLY thing you can do is to get better yourself.

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (3 children)

This is also where the "wall" comes into play when the female falls off the CC.

The female 6 or 7 can get sex from the male 9 or 10 during her 20s. She won't get real commitment (temporary boyfriend or just FWBs with the male 9 or 10) but she will still be getting sex thinking it will "lead to more".

When she hits her late 20s to 30s, she can't even ride the CC anymore and needs to "settle" with some beta dude she isn't attracted to.

Beta dudes need to understand this concept and RUN from these women. Marrying one of these post CC harpies is going to be a disaster.

Doesn't matter how "educated" the female is either.

Just check out what happened to this beta dermatologist who married another derm who was "divorced".


[–]Purecorrupt 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Between ages 25-30 - buys a dog? Secretly wants to be a real mom not a dog mom.

[–]TheReformist94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its still a pretty sweet deal. Most men get no sex no committment

[–]abdada 236 points237 points  (246 children)

IMHO women have it much worse than men do in terms of dating.

Women have abundance but no rationality. Women hunger for rationality.

Men have rationality but little abundance. Men hunger for abundance.

I don't pity or sympathize with women regarding their dating hell, but I understand it.

[–][deleted] 186 points187 points  (64 children)


What is this?

[–][deleted] 114 points115 points  (30 children)

Good point with regard to average girls.

u/Archwinger said it really well somewhere. Something like this. It used to be a woman would find some guy she really liked, and then do this "dating dance", giving up ever increasing amounts of sex in exchange for ever increasing amounts of commitment from him.

Now, her holding out sexually is a dealbreaker for more attractive men. Most attractive men will never, ever do that "dance" with her. And she's not willing to "dance" with less attractive men.

So what does she do? She puts out for the hot guy and hopes to hell he picks her. She fucks the guy in the longshot hope that maybe hopefully he will want a relationship with her. But of course most of the time he doesn't.

So if you're a lower value to mid value man, your challenge is to get awesome so you can be a "decisionmaker" with regard to sex and commitment; so you can get women interested in you without having to try to solve her problem.

[–]I_Wear_Jorts5 59 points60 points  (20 children)

This X1000

As someone who is just now breaking into the Top 20% of the 80/20 spectrum, I've seen this behavior from both sides of the equation. I KNOW what it feels like to be the "decisionmaker" and I also KNOW when a woman doesn't view me as attractive enough to get "decisionmaker" privileges. I'm at the point of my life where I'm not going to ever "work" for sex again. If it's really difficult from the beginning, the relationship is doomed anyway

So what does she do? She puts out for the hot guy and hopes to hell he picks her. She fucks the guy in the longshot hope that maybe hopefully he will want a relationship with her. But of course most of the time he doesn't.

This is the harsh reality of the wall. Women will ride the CC, hoping that they'll eventually get "picked." Eventually they can no longer fuck the top tier of guys and suddenly, there are no "real" men anymore. I really do feel bad for women though because they've been duped by the system just like most BP men have. We all have Feminism to thank for that!

[–]ItIsMyPrivilege 16 points17 points  (19 children)

I feel like that is the only way to do it, once you get experience. If you want a successful LTR you can't have problems at all early on.

As I and I know others say, every girl could be a slut for the right guy. I won't rule out a girl for a relationship based on the fact we had a ONS together that turned to banging. For all I know, I was the only guy she tried that form of "relationship" with because I was worth it in her eyes.

Now when you gather more data and find she's using ONS as a shotgun strategy and fucks tons of dudes like that, yeah nawh she's not worth commitment.

[–]I_Wear_Jorts5 37 points38 points  (17 children)

As I and I know others say, every girl could be a slut for the right guy. I won't rule out a girl for a relationship based on the fact we had a ONS together that turned to banging. For all I know, I was the only guy she tried that form of "relationship" with because I was worth it in her eyes.

Most people will disagree with me, but I won't even consider a "relationship" with a girl unless we have sex within 2 dates. I've always said, you cannot negotiate passion. It's either there or it isn't. I'm not going to waste my time courting some chick like it's a Disney movie for the privilege of having starfish sex once a week for the rest of my life. I'm not interesting in chasing girls who use sex as a bargaining chip. There are obviously exceptions, like if the logistics don't work out for whatever reason, but if we're making out on my couch after date #2 and she gives me a firm "no" to sex, there's just no point in even trying anymore. I've already lost

[–]ItIsMyPrivilege 19 points20 points  (12 children)

I think that's a good rule. The only time it isn't is for guys learning, hell even myself. Raising that N count and getting experience in bed is good. Once a guy feels he's getting to a good stage, up the standards as you have.

I have a similar rule/mindset due to the experience that sent me reading TRP where I thought this girl was wholesome and waiting for sex was great because it meant she was quality.

Now I won't fuck around with teases, girls not into me, etc. If she isn't thirsty for me, if she doesn't want to suck my dick to make me happy the first time we fuck, if she basically isn't on board with me, it's not happening because I won't put in the effort to keep it rolling.

Now virgins are another story, but I haven't ran into any attractive ones since high school

[–]NeverFigureMe0ut 5 points6 points  (9 children)

Speaking of virgins, I would love to find some advice geared towards dealing with them, as I'm currently in that boat. At this point (she's 25 y/o) I know it's a psychological thing. She's the only one of her friends still a virgin, and just happens to be the best looking one, go figure.

[–]nishal1 3 points4 points  (6 children)

If you're still a virgin at 25, I think you should consider an escort just so you realize that sex isn't this holy grail beta bucks make it out to be.

[–]NeverFigureMe0ut 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Oh, no. I can see how you misunderstood that, but SHE'S the virgin.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

What is the difference between a whore and an escort?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey man, it's kind of an old thread but I'm in a 3+ years relationship with one of those. Message me if you want some insight.

[–]I_Wear_Jorts5 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The only time it isn't is for guys learning, hell even myself. Raising that N count and getting experience in bed is good. Once a guy feels he's getting to a good stage, up the standards as you have.

Yeah once you know your game really works, you need to up the standards a bit. The only way you'll find that out is through experience. I'm far from the "most" experienced guy on TRP, but I know enough to know when the connection isn't there.

[–]ckmtpm -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I've met a few pretty virgins. How, exactly, do you handle that? Obviously, most of them aren't going to sleep with someone early on, no matter how much they like him.

[–]RedLeaderFlyingBy 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Whoa... you and I have the exact same rule.

I came up with that in college. My thought process was: "No sex by second time hanging out? I guess she doesn't like me that way. Next!"

I just realized that my absolute best and longest relationships were when we've always had sex on exactly the second date. Not the first, not the third, and I've never stuck around for a girl beyond 3. It's always the second.


[–]I_Wear_Jorts5 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It's a great rule. Girls who "make you wait" and dangle sex over your head aren't worth your time. She'll fuck Chad within 20 minutes of meeting him, yet you're somehow expected to wait? NEXT. No point in even trying.

Using sex as a bargaining chip might be the ultimate red flag for me. If a girl really likes you, she'll make it happen by date #2. Otherwise, you're getting the BB treatment and that's no way to start a relationship.

Glad we both stumbled upon the same "rule." It's always nice to get a little bit of confirmation on these types of things

[–]ckmtpm -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What about older virgins (early-mid 20s)? If they've got their v-card still, then obviously, it's not just a matter of them dangling it over the guy's head or making (only) him wait. How do you handle this?

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True dat. That's how I got hooked up w/ my ex-wife, started with a ONS. Thought it was just me. Turns out it wasn't.

[–]mrpCamper 37 points38 points  (1 child)

Now, her holding out sexually is a dealbreaker for more attractive men. Most attractive men will never, ever do that "dance" with her. And she's not willing to "dance" with less attractive men.

So, I've definitely nexted women who held out the sex for too long for that reason alone. I have to believe that

Most attractive men will never, ever do that "dance" with her.

Is the reason why

[–]StephMVPSplashBish -1 points0 points  (0 children)

he really broke it down to the organic compound. i had to 'next' a girl today which is really just cutting losses early and i feel reaffirmed coming here lol

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A high value semi-intelligent guy simply knows that someone else got full clearance for the runway without playing the dating game. At that point, why in the world would he disrespect himself by being the one to do the dance with her?

I think a high SMV guy will happily do the dance with a girl that he feels hasn't sold out all her value on the CC already. The high SMV guy surely has plenty of other options for the quick lay.

The problem is those girls don't exist today because sending them off to become whores at college at 18-19 years old is our societal norm these days.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Yup and then a few things can happen:

  1. She ends up adopting and enjoying the male abundance paradigm and goes on to have tons of casual sex with little regard for what it does to her future value.

  2. She gets pumped and dumped several times until she becomes jaded and "totally over those fuck boys" but deep down still cannot control the tingles.

  3. In the rare case she gets to have her cake an eat it to if she's high enough value to get him to settle.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

most women riding the cock carousel will end up washed up and used up and single in their 30s and 40s. I'm actually kind of happy that nice guys in their 20s become bitter guys in their 30s. It closes the door in the face of the women. haha.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

haha ya. women get wet for guys who are better than them. women post feminism are "equal" to men. therefore, lots of women having a hard time getting wet.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everything else you say is spot on.

But you say that assuming that most women view sex as an exchange, and that they use it to get commitment from a girl.

That's not necessarily true. Most women, depending on which stage of their life they're in, would seek sex simply because they enjoy it. It's not something they "give up" in "exchange" for commitment. Consider the Cock Carousel riders for example.

It's a tragedy that most men think otherwise, but women enjoy sex just as much as we do.

And that's precisely why a man's commitment (granted that he has high SMV) is much more valuable than a woman's sex.

[–]pilledwillingly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe the female groupthink is part of why they don't self-actualize as often either. They get too much positive reinforcement for being mediocre. They see what the top 60% get and they're satisfied with that because they are constantly told how amazing they are.

[–]ItIsMyPrivilege 27 points28 points  (12 children)

I know incel type girls. It's kind of sad because even in their prime they don't have beauty, not even from lack of proper health or whatever, just bad genetics looks-wise is worse for women than men.

Men can compensate because our attitude and how we hold ourselves can influence attraction much more than a woman can.

While I don't think I'm yet in the top tier of men, there are plenty women that are basically invisible to me and will be no matter what they do because they just didn't get the kind of genetic roll of the die that I want to match with.

Fucking glad I'm a man not a woman

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (10 children)

Good point. The other issue is that 93% of men are ranked less than 5 by women, while it's about 47% for women. I consider myself in the top 10%, but that puts me between a 5 and an 8 depending on my day, and at the same time I'm only even considering a top 20% girl (7 or better). That spells asbestos for women's statistical chances.

[–]GreatWhite_Buffalo 0 points1 point  (9 children)

Source? Those numbers sound realistic, but too exact to be anecdotal.

[–]neededsomething 0 points1 point  (6 children)

I assumed it was from OkCupid analysis, my quick google turned up this which doesn't quite fit the numbers above, supposedly 80% of men on OkCupid are ranked below medium attractiveness.

[–]GreatWhite_Buffalo 2 points3 points  (4 children)

That actually doesn't sound unreasonable. I'd say that 80% of the girls on there are objectively below average.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Beauty cannot be objective, but that aside yes

[–]GreatWhite_Buffalo 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Fair enough, I just don't think that most of the girls on OKC that I find repulsive (example) would be considered "above average" by anyone.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some fucked up kid on the internet will fap to it no matter what XD

However i get that you used objective to emphasize that it's a widely accepted thing, not in a philosophical context. Good luck great buffalo.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're right. It was that study. My memory of it was in standard deviations from a mean of 2, which isn't quite right.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ya, it's definitely better to be an ugly man than an ugly girl.

but I think it's better to be an average girl than an average man.

[–]Redasshole 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Women are hurting too, and hurting badly. They'll straight up admit it.

Don't mistaken "admit" for "complain".

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

deleted What is this?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

They get tons of help. Its you go girl, and you dont need no man. Women are dumb asses, thats why they arent men.

[–]ghyl 17 points18 points  (5 children)

This is exactly what is happening to a close female friend of my wife. She's a solid 7 on a good day but won't settle for anything approaching her level. She's now mid thirties and slamming into the wall hard and it's sad to watch.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

she should write a flagship book for feminism.

[–]Iceman3514 0 points0 points [recovered]

What exactly qualifies as a 7

[–]ky_windage 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Not overwieght, but you still can't flip a quarter off her ass. And has good face symmetry, but still needs more than 20 minutes to get ready for a good photo.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

After all the rage I felt during the anger phase towards women - I completely understand what you're saying - and can now even empathize. I can see that look of frustration the eyes of average women - they have loads of shitty options - but anything of value is out of their reach. In this way I can see why a certain number of women will go for the feminist narrative because their reality is so harsh. Makes even more sense as to why so many feminists are fucking ugly - its the only way they can derive some value for their life.

[–]drallcom3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Men have it really easy actually. A 4 man can have sex with a 4 woman and be totally satisfied. She might even have a nice personality for between sex.

A woman who could get a +3 man a few times can't be that happy with a +0 man and she hates it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

well, the 1-5 are too.

Can't feel too bad, every 5 wants a 7, every 7 wants a 10. Realistic expectations, or working to improve could be easy solutions, but like abdada said, this is why they pine for rationality.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

to be fair, a woman will have it bad when she hits her 40s. But in her 20s and 30s, she's loving it.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Women are hurting too, and hurting badly. They'll straight up admit it.

Where have all the good men gone??!?!???!?!!oneoneone111!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I completely relate to this, and I've seen both sides of the spectrum.

From anecdotal evidence alone, I believe that a high SMV male (top 10%, or a HG9+) is pretty much treated the same way as a average to high SMV girl (top 40%, or a HB6+). Essentially, both get a wide range of options/orbiters that provide to them what they want (sex or commitment). The HB9+ guy gets with potentially 80% of the women (for sex, or commitment if he's worthy enough). The HB6+ girl gets with potentially 80% of the guys (for commitment, or sex if he's worthy enough).

Essentially the only way to win for a girl is to continue raising your SMV by increasing your looks/game. The only way for a guy to continue raising your SMV is by increasing your power/game. And power comes in all forms: physique, wealth, career, etc...

I think this is why most men would observe that women have it easier than guys -- given that they only need to be a HB6 to reap the "benefits", whereas for guys they need to be THE top dog. But it's achievable and that should be every man's goal.

[–]MachineFknHead -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

As a guy isn't it true that 8s or above aren't even visible to us? Come on, man. Stop being a douchebag. Everyone wants to fuck people hotter than they are. Don't be mad about it. We hold out sexually too against average chicks and "chunky bitches". Maybe you're the male equivalent of a fat bitch. Don't be mad because Scarlett Johansson won't fuck you.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (11 children)

Women have it worse in terms of dating/making authentic and lasting connections with men.

Men have it worse with sex.

I don't pity or sympathize with women regarding their dating hell, but I understand it.

Ah. You have empathy, but not sympathy.

I think this is my position as well. I don't feel badly for women or pity them. I do understand the problem.

The challenge for men is to make sure that, while they empathize and they "get it", they must not do anything to try to solve that problem for a woman.

Men have their own problems to solve.

[–]abdada 42 points43 points  (10 children)

My empathic nature is foundational but disintegrates the moment I see someone recognize a problem and then start compounding it.

Doesn't matter the gender, either. I am super supportive of everyone from the first second, but when I see they prefer to continue self harm, I lose empathy.

Also, a man has the easiest solution to his problem: pivot or climb. A woman can't pivot from her problems, she can only slow down the slide towards the bottom.

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[–]abdada 30 points31 points  (0 children)

A pivot is when you just change direction. Lifting weights versus playing video games is a pivot.

Climbing means putting much more effort into something. Daygame versus online dating is a climb.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Monk mode is a climb.

Changing eating habits is a climb.

One of the key things most are told to do in TRP is to STOP doing their beta behaviors. STOP pedestalizing women. Stop supplicating to them. Stop leaning in to hear their conversations. Stop giving them too much attention when you're not getting anything back. Just cease the negative behaviors. Don't replace them with anything yet; just stop doing the bad stuff.

All that is pivoting. It's just changing direction. It's simply stopping doing a negative behavior; instead of pushing them into a positive behavior. Before a man can start doing positive things, he must first stop doing negative things. That's pivoting.

[–]bonerfleximus 13 points14 points  (0 children)

If all you do is browse reddit and jerk off, monk mode is often an excuse to avoid a true climb. Let's be clear.

[–]MrChillBroBaggins 4 points5 points  (4 children)

'Pivot or climb' is something I'm gonna start telling myself.

[–]abdada 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Most guys refuse to even pivot, which requires no real change in output of time, just a change in direction.

[–]MrChillBroBaggins 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I agree, not to mention an easier climb, assuming they choose the right direction.

[–]dherik 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My philosophy lately has been, any action is better than no action. Even if I chose the wrong direction I can always pick another one.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Truly we all slide towards the bottom. It's only that mans slide is more gradual than a woman's.

[–][deleted] 51 points52 points  (86 children)

I strongly disagree* that women have it worse. Betas (the average joe) aren't getting sex or relationships. (I would argue that a sexless relationship would be better than no sex, no relationship). They aren't meeting their primary or secondary goal. Women are at least getting sex.

A safe, peaceful society will always favor women and alphas.

A dangerous, unstable society favors betas.

[–]abdada 27 points28 points  (25 children)

Women are the gatekeepers to sex so them getting sex isn't a concern in such a debate.

Men are the gatekeepers to commitment so a man getting commitment isn't a goal.

Women want commitment and that is far far more difficult to extract from a man with value.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 30 points31 points  (23 children)

I've said it before, but I'll say it here:

Sex is a lot of fun

Commitment isn't

I know which one I'd choose

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Commitment from a high value man is absolutely amazing for a woman. You're looking at this from the male perspective. Everything is flipped when you look at it from her perspective.

[–]abdada 54 points55 points  (17 children)

That's male-centric. Females don't see things out way.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 22 points23 points  (14 children)

There are plenty of women who think sex is fun. They probably still long for a committed relationship with Chad, but Tinder exists and you know they're getting some for pleasure's sake.

[–]abdada 9 points10 points  (11 children)

I wouldn't call them women. Hormonally damaged girls, maybe. Women appreciate sex as a method of managing high value commitment but her goal is the commitment, not the sex.

[–]TheReformist94 4 points5 points  (8 children)

If commitment was their end goal explain why so many women ride the CC and its so hard to maintain an LTR in todays climate with women being tempted by the CC like a child in a candy store. Plenty of women have a notch count above 20 and clearly enjoy nsa sex running through all the quarterbacks.they do it because they enjoy it,noone is forcing them to ride the CC.you telling me all these girls are hormonally damaged?

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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree! you might have just stumbled across a break through point; on TRP we assume women ride the CC because they want to fuck loads of guys - they don't. they ride the CC because they think the more guys they get through the higher the chance they'll find Mr. Right - when the reality is, the inverse is true.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No they wouldnt, because they dont have to choose. They can just have both. You are trying to inject logic and accountability. There is none.

[–]abdada 2 points3 points  (4 children)

If sex is the end goal why do so many males end up becoming BB with no sex?

[–]TheReformist94 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Because the CC exists,and women are propelled to fuck many alphas in succession.why settle for one alpha when you can fuck many with safe contraception and no consequence? Loads of women love being single,and view even an ltr with an AF a limitation.theyre just not propelled to fuck betas,doesn't mean they don't fuck for the sake of fucking.loads of women enjoysamlping as many quarterbacks as possible.some women have rotating harems of alphas on tinder,fucking 3 alphas at a time and trading them out when they're bored. They can satisfy the commitment side of the equation from the BB,hence the BB who gets cheated on,and the vast majority of BBs who get cheated on in relationships.it all adds up.at least women are getting sex. 80% of men have a tough time getting a girl worth LTRing AND KEEPING.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why would you eat tofu when you have fillet mignon falling out of the sky? Why are 80% of men rated below average? Because women can have sex with all the gorgeous men they can stand. After that everyone else is dog food.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That's not realy true. Women do not care about commitment because the highest value male whose genes they can get (sex) will almost inherently not be interested in commitment. That's the whole reason the CC exists.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not true. Womens pinnacle strategy is: access the best genes, AND the best nest. AF/BB. At the same time. Women get both. Thats abundance.

[–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not to mention that many of that type of women have multiple orgasms that are long and dramatic enough to give me vagina envy. She's definitely getting something from the relationship, even if she doesn't get the commitment she covets.

[–]throwaway-aa2 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Alright I know this is like arguing with someone a million times smarter than you (because I always agree with you), but I want to disagree just because my current knowledge dictates it so, but obviously you can school me.

Females want commitment, males want sex. But when you say "Women have it harder than men", it's sort of ignoring the big picture. It's like one country saying "we have more poor people than you do" but their barometer for what they define as poor is higher than the country they're trying to compare it to.

I'd argue that because of how a woman's SMV is inflated, and the idea that a woman is looking for a man 2 SMV points above her, is what makes a woman's dating life difficult. It can't really be compared to a males.

Let's ignore the top tier females. Most average females you see roaming the streets are absolute fucking losers, pigs in lipstick if you will. That's why they spend so much time on their looks.... they all have very little to them. These girls work, gossip, watch Netflix, and then shop, and then do outings (club / parties) where men will be. Rinse and repeat.

Even these girls who have nothing to them, look for guys far beyond what they should be getting.

What I mean to say is this: if a girl who is a 5 is only looking for men who are 9's to commit and dissing the fuck out of every other guy... you can't really say she has it difficult. She has made it difficult for herself. Men have much lower standards than females. Much lower. Not so much biologically but society wise.

Before TRP (and for most men nowadays) you can only dream for a woman to have a decent body, hair that isn't chopped off, who is feminine, puts out, and shuts the fuck up, and is a HB6 or HB7. Literally the dream. Women sit there shooting for guys who are 8-10 with nothing to offer themselves other than their fading makeup & yoga pants inflated looks.

Women have it harder but makeup / Instagram / etc have warped women's minds as far as what they deserve. If I'm in school and I choose to do my tests with a .5inch pencil, is the test difficult or am I making it difficult? If I'm doing a harder test to place better, is it ok to compare someone taking a regular test, or is it necessary to discern that I'm taking on something more challenging than I have to, to get better benefits?

The reality is that women expect much more in today's society when they really shouldn't. Arguably some of this possibly is biology but it's women who perpetuate feminism and are responsible for the balance of quality men to women with good genetics being so low. Let's call it like it is. They have trouble finding good men, while their idealism perpetuates betas, and now all of a sudden they "have it difficult".

I've had my ex-girlfriend tell me how difficult it was for her to find people on dating sites. Not knowing I've sent out like 1,000 messages to women, and got like 3 to reply (not good pictures but STILL), while she's a hard 6 / 7 and PICKS out of like 40 messages a day! And has never sent 1 message. OK And she has the nerve to complain about how hard she has it. And it's like... of course it's hard because she's looking for a guy like me, 2 solid SMV points above her, while she's hitting the wall with a lot of problems with her mentally and physically I won't even get into here. And she actually tried to argue she had it worse. And I had to spend 15 minutes explaining this dumb shit to her.

Edit: I'd also argue if you took makeup and hair products away from society, this shit would go away.

[–]GunnarX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow. This post is unreal. Especially in regards to instagram and makeup. They have nothing to offer, and then their standards are so high. It's laughable.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Fun and fulfillment are not necessarily the same thing. I find the most fulfillment by completing goals that were not easy or fun, but instead took loads of hard work a and discipline. It's short term vs. long term thinking.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What does this have to do with sex?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It doesn't necessarily. I'm pointing out the difference between fun and fulfillment. Cheap thrills vs. Obtaining your goals. Which one would you choose?

[–]2awalt_cupcake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're generalizing so I can't tell you "fufillment" because in my context, it would totally be getting laid.

I see what you mean but also women don't have a sense of fufillment like men do "Girls just wanna have fun. That's all they really waaaant."

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Women don't care so much about commitment when they (or the state) can provision for themselves, as they can in modern society.

Since their provisioning is already taken care of, sex becomes a primary objective for them.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (8 children)

What are you talking about? A society in which monogamy is the norm is one that favors betas. Societies that are polygamous historically have higher rates of violence.

So-called betas are the ones who devote their lives to science, to building great stuff, and providing for their families.

[–]thisissamsaxton 19 points20 points  (3 children)

This is the part where TheRedPill really shits the bed. When it goes beyond recognizing the sexual advantage of aggressive/powerful (edit: powerful seeming at least) "Alphas" given by evolution, and actually starts endorsing it as an ideal for society to reward (rather than a flaw to exploit and/or fix).

The ideal for society is to have any incentive (money, sex, etc) go to the people contributing to the collective and none go to the people who don't (if any. ideally, everyone contributes). Obviously that's not mostly what happens, but that is the logical end goal.

But, I personally reckon that as privacy disappears and everyone starts to see what everyone else is doing; everyone will see exactly how much the rich have and exactly what they did to "earn" it, and may be pissed off at many of them like never before. The same might also happen with sexually popular men. But we'll see what happens.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the part where TheRedPill really shits the bed. When it goes beyond recognizing the sexual advantage of aggressive/powerful "Alphas" given by evolution, and actually starts endorsing it as an ideal for society to reward (rather than a flaw to exploit and/or fix).

It's just that in today's environment with the ascendency of feminism and women being able to create their own provisioning, BB is not an effective strategy.

[–]1Paid_Internet_Troll -1 points0 points  (1 child)

The ideal is to have any incentive (money, sex, etc) go to the people contributing to the collective and none go to the people who don't (if any. ideally, everyone contributes). Obviously that's not mostly what happens, but that is the logical end goal.

It's not a "logical end goal."

It's a fantasy. That just, plainly and simply, is not how the world works now, it isn't how the world worked in the past, and it won't be how the world works in the future.

Sociopaths herd betas the way shepherds herd sheep. The sheep are fed enough to keep them alive, and they're periodically sheered of their wool, and when they get old, they're slaughtered and eaten.

All that stuff about how "we're all in this together" and how "everyone who contributes should get a fair shake" and "people who play by the rules all their lives should be rewarded" are part of the beta programming.

You program people to be good little betas who work for 40 years in a cubicle, and just when they're about to retire on the pension they were promised, a sociopath swoops in, buys up the company, spins the pension obligations off into a shell company that is designed to go bankrupt, and sails off into the sunset with all the pension money, leaving beta Billy to eat cat food for his last few years of miserable life.

That's reality. It's like in the book, "No More Mr. Niceguy" where they talk about covert contracts. Well, being beta is one big gigantic covert contract, that will never ever pay off.

Am I "endorsing" all this? About as much as I "endorse" gravity, "endorse" water being wet, and "endorse" the sky being blue.

The Redpill is about sexual strategy, not about your fantasies about how to make life fair.

[–]thisissamsaxton 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's not a fantasy, it's just extremely difficult to accomplish without a shitload of work, like landing on the moon.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm speaking strictly in terms of SMV (alpha v. beta).

Women will not seek out monogamy unless it is neccessary. It's not neccessary unless you can not raise a child on your own. (unstable society)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I still don't think I quite understand your viewpoint. What is your idea of an unstable society?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

A safe, peaceful society will always favor women and alphas.

A dangerous, unstable society favors betas.

You gon' elaborate right? Because in the first model you piss of 80% of the male society, while in the second one you piss off only 20% and the numbers just don't add up for me.

[–]iopq -1 points0 points  (0 children)

50%+ of people are women. Women + alphas are then 60%+ of society.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (28 children)

A dangerous, unstable society favors betas.

Interesting. Can you expand on that?

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Betas have nothing to offer women in a stable society. If a woman does not have to aquire support to bear a child (like in modern society), she has no reason to obstain from the CC (and most women can bag an alpha for sex). Betas' value is in provisioning.

[–]TheReformist94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a hard time believing women even value commitment,or have an emotional need for it.them wanting commitment is just a relic of evolution.provided they're physically safe,they'll just bang as many alphas as possible.hence the existence of the cc

[–]RedPillProphet 10 points11 points  (3 children)

In an unstable and dangerous society, betas offer safety and provisioning. Those two things hold no value to a hot 20yo in a stable society.

[–]jcrpta 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It's worth noting here that "beta" in the context of an unstable society does not mean "overweight with no muscles", because such a man cannot offer the safety bit.

It follows, therefore, that letting yourself go to the point of being overweight with no muscles isn't beta behaviour. It's omega.

[–]RedPillProphet -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Neither does he have strong rippling muscles and a top 10% physique. The betas are very average guys (whatever the average is) by definition but valued none the less bcz the women need their contributions in unstable societies. Speaking from first hand experience with this growing up in an unstable society.

[–]jcrpta 0 points1 point  (0 children)


But in most Western countries, "average" these days doesn't just mean "a weak physique with no visible muscles".

It means "a weak physique with no visible muscles and at least 3 stone (42lb) of excess fat".

I'm hazarding a guess here as I've never really spent time in an unstable society, but I imagine there are relatively few men in such societies - however betafied - who could do with going on a crash diet.

[–]1seenoeval 1 point2 points  (20 children)

I guess there are a couple of ways to interpret that, one would be that suppressing what real men are and trying to make them something they aren't destroys society.

The other, is betas are the ones who cause all the violent horror in the world, mass shootings, suicide bombs, etc.

Alphas aren't dangerous, not to society or in the long term anyway because they will use their intellect to solve problems even in war. Even Alpha USA and Alpha Russia can say, I don't like you, you don't like me, there's no sense in us fucking each other up where no one will win, so let's agree to disagree and get along reasonably. I may push you from time to time and you me, but no reason why we can't both enjoy being a superpower when the alternative is both of us sending each other back to the stone age.

Beta USA and RUSSIA would be a pile of nuclear dust decades ago by using female emotional thinking and logic, allowing a moment of rage to destroy your entire future.

[–]philovivero 7 points8 points  (8 children)

You have that exactly wrong.

Alphas are more dangerous to society by orders of magnitude than betas are. Even by your own evidence. Betas do the school shootings and the suicide bombings. Total body count what... a few million in all of history?

Care to compare that against Genghis Khan, Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Ronald Reagan, George Bushes Sr,Jr, I'll just stop there. Total body count what, a few billion?

Alphas don't just kill a couple people here and there. They get a few million people to agree to kill a few million others on their behalf.

I suppose you could say the betas are still the ones doing the work on the behalf of the alphas. And if you said that, then the response would be: yeah, if the betas rebelled and just killed anyone and everyone displaying alpha tendencies, we'd probably have a safer society.

More boring, certainly.

[–]dgillz 0 points1 point  (2 children)

There are only 7 billion people in the world. We haven't killed "a few billion" in all of the wars in human history combined.

[–]philovivero 0 points1 point  (1 child)

[–]dgillz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not based on your link, not at all. The sum of everything listed is not even "a few billion" and there are tons of deaths there that aren't war deaths (example: native Americans mostly died of disease brought by Europeans, not by being killed in war).

[–]1seenoeval 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Let me ask you something, what makes you think any of the people you mentioned are Alphas? Just curious because a very good case could be made that all men like those above could be considered betas, they are just very effective ones.

The motivation of all those men can be easily traced back to their hatred of their own weakness and insecurities and their insane quest for vengeance.

Certainly you could argue that mass genocide is Alpha if it is meant to kill the perceived weak in the food chain and conserve resources for themselves but I've read a lot about all the men above as a fan of history and if you learn their life stories and see how the react/reacted to people criticizing them, you will see incredible weakness in them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Being alpha has nothing to do with morality, unless you mean that many alphas consider themselves to be morally superior.

And just because someone has anger, or even hidden insecurity, does not exclude them outright from being an alpha type(ish). A beta takes that insecurity and becomes servile and pathetic. An Alpha 1.0 takes that insecurity and becomes aggressive and pathetic.

People on this forum really, really need to read blackdragon's write up on Alpha 1.0 vs 2.0

[–]1seenoeval 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I disagree on that. A beta eventually becomes aggressive and pathetic after years of being servile and pathetic. It is the beta that goes and shoots up the school, rage and revenge is the last stop on the beta train station.

While there are hiccups on any journey to better oneself, Alpha at any level is in touch with his intellect constantly. While quick bouts of anger may arise from time to time, he quickly crushes it down with logic and strategy knowing he receives no benefit or resolution by acting emotionally.

In my opinion, there are no levels of Alpha, one is an Alpha or one is not. All Alphas have moments of self doubt and anger, that is just being human, how those emotions are dealt with is the makeup of the man.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This is just semantics now.

I think a lot of people would disagree with your black/white assesment. There are levels and flavors of all kinds of personality types.

[–]1seenoeval 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I read the article you linked, I disagree with the premise. The unhappy ragers he is discussing are betas, they might be on the path to becoming Alpha or they may never fully get there.

Also, this notion that top Alphas only work for themselves is retarded. I do in fact run my own company however I have many friends I would consider Alpha and they are very happy as high level engineers, physicians, sports therapists, etc. They all work for other people, however those other people greatly respect and admire their work.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I meant more in terms of alphas being promiscuous males, and betas being (ussually involuntarily) less promiscuous. Not in the "intrasex male social dynamic" sense.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (9 children)

So Syria and Iraq are fucked up because everyone is an insecure beta who wants to prove their worth by screwing everything over?

Interesting interpretation.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So Syria and Iraq are fucked up because everyone is an insecure beta who wants to prove their worth by screwing everything over?

No, they're fucked up because of neoconservatives getting into power in the US.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My personal opinion is it's fucked up because of religion.

But it's interesting to relate the mentality to alpha and beta mindsets.

[–]1seenoeval 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Not everyone, the people who are able to get in the all the positions of power? yes.

Smart countries work together even when they hate each other, just like smart men, the middle east is the victim of short term emotional female thinking which has created thousands of years of insane violence. Only females would shed billions of gallons of blood over who's right it is to live on some sand in a wasteland as opposed to all the other cultures who were smart enough to move the fuck out of there and colonize the rest of the fertile world.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Only females would shed billions of gallons of blood over who's right it is to live on some sand in a wasteland

All the parties involved are males.


[–]1seenoeval 0 points1 point  (4 children)

*female logic which is why those countries are shitholes and can never make any advancements in culture or technology. Too busy having holy war over sand.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I literally think you are just pushing phrases together because you think they sound good. You can NOT reduce complex geopolitics to lol female logic and insecurity.

[–]1seenoeval -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I know, I'm just having fun actually :) while I stand by the other statements I made about women having it worse, I was just fucking around calling countries alpha and beta to see what people would say

[–]Elodrian 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I would argue that a sexless relationship would be better than no sex, no relationship

I would like to hear this argument. To my mind the hierarchy goes Sexual Relationship > No Relationship > Sexless Relationship on the grounds that sex adds value to my life while upkeep on a relationship demands my time and resources. Paying the maintenance costs on a relationship while not getting sex is a net value drain in my life.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Women get all the sex they ever want. They get the fun times. They get the chemical rush and roller coaster of excitement. They are always in demand across every spectrum. They get constant bonding and friendship through numerous orbiters. They get ample support from everywhere. They are never held accountable. They have a safer, longer life. They are always true to themselves. And if they cant make it work with any man, most women can flip the switch, go gay and then win in that realm also. The extent of what most men achieve is surviving. Look at Maslows hierarchy of needs. What percentage of men make it to even level two? Maybe 40%? When you cant get your needs met, you have a shit life. Telling yourself anything else is pure delusion. Most men lead miserable lives and its going to get worse every year. The only real out most men have is MGTOW. Ie giving up on having needs. Awesome. Women have it worse - LOL!!!!!

[–]iopq 0 points1 point  (2 children)

My current girlfriend used to be overweight and was a virgin when she lost weight at 25. What you're saying maybe sounds good to you, but this isn't necessarily true. There are women who can't get sex.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

She said she was a virgin.

Furthermore, if you don't think she couldn't have walked into bar, found the thirstiest guy there, and fucked him in the bathroom, you're delusional. Just because she didn't meet her probably-too-high standards doesn't mean she couldn't get sex.

[–]iopq -1 points0 points  (0 children)

She grew a new hymen too? Weow

She could have probably done that, but she wouldn't have enjoyed it because that's not the situation that makes her horny. Why would she have sex if she wouldn't even orgasm?

I guess you're right, women can have sex all they want, but not just in situations or with guys that can make them come

[–]redzorp 2 points3 points  (8 children)

A safe, peaceful society will always favor women and alphas.

A dangerous, unstable society favors betas.

I think you have the above reversed. Should be the opposite.

[–]SlowWing 11 points12 points  (7 children)

No it's not. When the society is unstable, the stable BB provider is highly sought after.

When the society is stable and peacefull women will go for the Tingles over the BB.

[–]RedPillProphet 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Which explains the all time low the average man is experiencing right now in terms of value.

[–]InfectdProlapsedAnus 3 points3 points [recovered]

That is true to a point. You can't tell me betas will be sought after in a post-apocalyptic scenario. You would see the return of harems in a scenario like that, with the strongest rising to the top and claiming breeding rights.

[–]SlowWing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not talking about fantasy, I'm talking about reality; India, China, etc.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, no. One guy wouldn't be able to support Harem in a post-apocalyptic scenario. A beta and his 8 closest friends would just kill him and divide up his harem. On top of that, the women are going to want someone making them feel safe every night. Not just when Chad wants to plow.

[–]redzorp 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I see what you mean but I think the semantics are a bit off compared to what we normally describe in this sub.

For e.g. 1950s America was a "safe, peaceful society" and there betas were favored due mainly to cultural constraints.

In 2015 America, women and alphas are favored but I would argue this is because society is unstable not safe and peaceful; Unstable in the sense that the culture has become decadent, perverse and confused. Everyone feels it in their bones that society today is unstable, economically depressed and is just one bank run away from total disaster.

[–]tallwheel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Really, the 1950's was a fairly good combination of leftover values from an unstable society combined with the earlier stages of a stable, peaceful society. It was probably one of the best times to be a beta male in America.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Notice it only took until the 60's for everything to change? The children of that safe society made the biggest strides.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I had an interesting realization the other day, that a woman who is an exact mirror of me, would be out of my league.

Take me for example. average in looks, doing very well in career, take care of my body, dress well, do a good balance between the party lifestyle and professional social circle lifestyle. If a girl was all these things, she'd be surrounded by guys vying for her attention. But a guy who is like this, for some reason, is valued less.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I think you have that backwards bro. A stable society favors the betas.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Really? Take a look around.

[–]BallisticTherapy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Betas are what make civilization even possible.


[–]1seenoeval -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

Betas are the key to their own happiness as all men are, women are not.

Women absolutely have it worse, they might be getting sex, but they are absolutely miserable, they might be getting relationships but they are absolutely miserable.

Betas are just being childish at best, homicidal at worst. A man does not require a relationship with a woman to be incredibly happy, in fact a relationship with a woman is generally the root cause of the most miserable men.

Women on the other hand NEED a relationship to be happy, but their own insane demands on how that person must be perfect an absolutely every way and worse, essentially have multiple personalities that can be activated with an iPhone app on demand (be a bad ass, no be romantic now, be hilarious now, be fatherly now, be a sex god now, be a sensual love maker now)

Betas can get sex whenever they want two ways:

  1. Pay for it
  2. Improve themselves (some more drastically than others)

As a man, you should thank God for that gift every single day and you should pray for women. NO woman in the world ever experiences true happiness for more than brief moments, she spends her life chasing what will never come.

Men have a choice, you can be a negative, hateful person, or you can spend the majority of all the days of your life, content, free and with a smile on your face.

I have great sympathy for all women, no sympathy for men who waste their good fortune having a male brain.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women do not need a relationship to be happy. There is a certain amount of validation, which most can easily achieve before the wall, that will more than make up for not meeting long-term goals.

Women only desire a relationship if they need provisioning in order to raise a child, or if the quality of alpha they can bag starts drastically dropping. In the second case, the relationship is only to make her feel better about herself.

[–]AllOrDeath 3 points4 points  (7 children)

You explained what you believe are the problems men and women face but didnt offer any reasons why 1 is worse or better than the other. Why do women have it worse in your opinion?

[–]abdada 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Men have problems only because they walk in one direction. A man needs to just pivot or climb and life is better. Men age like wine.

Women are constantly sliding downward. They can not delay time. Either they're plunging or they're gently rolling down a hill, but time is her enemy.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That gives me a good idea for a post.

[–]TheReformist94 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Its rele not a bad deal for women.from 14-34 they can fuck who they want,as many as they want with no effort or consequence,then can settle at 34 to make family.its actually a pretty sweet deal.its not like they have a five year window to make it or he faced with cats

[–]abdada -1 points0 points  (1 child)

This is man-centric and it's quite blue pill.

Please consider that women don't think like men do, and their end goal is totally different from a man's.

[–]TheReformist94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So why do they do it then? So many women do it,and enjoy sitting together talking about all the guys they fucked,and fondly reminisce their cc days of former glory.i have a hard time believing the cc is just a continuous failed attempt at locking down a provider.women have delayed marriage to like 34 now.if they were so interested in ltrs they wudnt do it.something has to accunt for the behaviour of the serious notches women accumulate,and the constant pull to the cc whilst they feel trapped In a relationship.women rele find it hard to keep their legs closed in a ltr as they have so many tempting options

[–]Apexk9 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Women bottom out like beer.

Men like Beer Women like Wine

The circle of life.

[–]bigcitytruth 7 points8 points  (10 children)

To put it simply, men have it harder but we have it better -- because in the end, we control the shots and we can proactively aim for our targets.

Women have it easier, but they have it worse -- because they have to sit and wait for their dreams to happen to land in their laps.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Women have it easier/better. How can I prove this? Because they have the choice to do more, to be less passive. We do not have the choice to do less. If any woman isn't happy with her options, she has the option to do more. They choose not to. And that's their choice, but they can't then complain about it.

Also... women always manage to date up. Your average 7 fucks 9's and married a 7-8. Without doing much more than put her makeup on. Sorry, I just don't buy that they have it hard.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Because they have the choice to do more

While I don't necessarily agree that women have it better, this is very true. Men have a greater capacity to be loyal and loving for a lifetime because they aren't used to thinking that every woman is willing to sleep with them. They (generally) get fewer opportunities to cheat, and they can rationalize making a decision to be with a woman, even if there are more sexually appealing women out there. How many men out there would cheat on or leave a wife who watches her figure and regularly has sex with her husband. Keeping a husband faithful and a marriage strong for a woman is practically a choice. Have a little bit of self restraint around the ice cream/netflix and be willing to do something that you "don't really want to right now" because it makes your husband happy. That's all it takes. Most men would jump on that deal in a second, even if that thing they don't want to do is painful, long, and difficult.

How many guys out there go to the world's end to make their wife happy, but get cheated on anyway because she starts to view him as "beta"? How many guys have a single rough patch in 15 years and then get cheated on immediately because she had someone on orbit the whole time? Men can't choose to have a good marriage, they can only do what they can and hope their wife doesn't have a chance to do something irrational while she's following her feels.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Men can't choose to have a good marriage, they can only do what they can and hope their wife doesn't have a chance to do something irrational while she's following her feels.

Exactly. And that's just one reason why marriage is a fucking terrible idea for men.

[–]bigcitytruth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can actually see the part in my comment where I quite literally wrote "Women have it easier." Read it again.

[–]abdada 4 points5 points  (3 children)

All rewards require risk of they're just consumer addictive behavior made to look like a reward.

[–]cariboo_j 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You think?

Lifting is pretty low risk and it yields rewards

[–]abdada 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Lifting is definitely not low risk. I have seen injuries across the entire strength class spectrum. Also, a lot of guys engage in fuckarounditis and risk their time for zero strength rewards.

[–]iopq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I lifted pretty hard for very little gains. I got injured too, but at least I went from extremely weak to "average person" tier. I could finally bench bodyweight and do a pull-up.

I think overall it was worth.

[–]mrmeyhemn 1 point2 points  (0 children)


women are born with 99% of their potential. men have to create theirs.

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[–]TheReformist94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its honestly the sweetest time to be a woman in todays age.if it was the 1910s they wud have been paired off with a beta they wernt attracted to,at least they can ride the cc them cuck a beta.they cam satisfy both components of the afbb eqn.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

The reason a lot of guys think women have it better is because they are judging "better" based on the male paradigm - as you put it the desire for abundance.

If you judge each sex based on their corresponding paradigm its pretty clear we have it better. More control. Longer window of opportunity. Less reliance on a mate in the first place.

[–]VodkaTankerSpill 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Women have more job opportunities today than ever, including firefighters and Army Rangers for fuck's sake if they wanted to. They literally spend millions to promote women in tech and science areas. They have more incentives to go to college.

They no longer need to rely on partner because he has been replaced with big daddy government.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely. But as we've seen there's somewhat of an inverse relationship between professional success and overall happiness. Its hard to think in these terms because they're almost polar opposites of the way we measure our own happiness.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (52 children)

I'm not always sure women have abundance. Sure, online dating they do, but many admit that they are overwhelmed by messages from losers.

The biggest problem I hear women complain about, is that men these days are to shy to approach them.

[–]screamingATtrees 28 points29 points  (3 children)

No they complain that creeps and losers keep hitting on them..."but not Chad! Why won't Chad commit? Why!? Must be all men's fault. "

[–]DaphneDK 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Perhaps a lot of them really are legit creeps and losers. At least there seems to be a hell of a lot of fat or effeminate men, or Pokemon collecting boys who waste their life playing video games. Don't know how it compares to the number of women who are likewise fat and undatable in some other way.

[–]darkrood 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because you just need to be confidence, have inner game. Never mind that your hair is messy, your teeth is decaying, and you didn't shower for days. Women respect your oozing confidence. :D

Somehow, it's telling bunch of salesperson: "Be confident and persistent, and women will see that." then voila....

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Idk man.. I used to have a couple "wingwomen", and yes a cute girl can really help you get laid.

Her standards weren't really that fucking high. Any average looking dude pretty much had a shot with her.

[–]makethemflaunt 7 points8 points  (7 children)

they are overwhelmed by messages from losers.

Right. I hate it when I go on online dating and I get overwhelmed by messages from loser women. Oh wait.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

So you like messages from fat women? Because they send them

[–]makethemflaunt 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Fair point. But really, even as a fairly attractive guy, I've gotten very very little 1st contact from women of any sort. For rudimentarily attractive women, they get lots of attention. They do have abundance. They just don't see it as abundance because they don't see betas, or losers as you call them. If we had abundance of fat women, we'd still not be happy, because we don't see fat women, and we'd have a similar problem to women. But that's not actually the way of things as they currently stand. Oregon shooter could not have just gotten himself a fat woman super easily to ease his self-esteem issues. Maybe this is why there are no female shooters.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm just saying, the playing field isn't as uneven as you guys think. Most of the time you just have to ask, don't be the pussy watching the lonely cute girl sitting by herself..

Girls get lonely too

[–]makethemflaunt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, you're right. They really do get lonely. Good reminder.

[–]iopq 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Confirmed. I got a message from a fat chick and I closed my account. I closed it because I forgot to when I got a girlfriend, but I can imagine her face when I close my account immediately after she messages me.

[–]abdada 39 points40 points  (12 children)

You hear women complaininf?

GTFO. This is TRP, we don't pay attention to what women say.

Women have sexual abundance even if they are UB3s.

[–]pcadrian 42 points42 points [recovered]

I agree. When women complain that guys are too shy to approach them, what they really mean is they don't get approached by the top 20%.

If an avg guy would approach them, he'd get rejected lol.

[–]abdada 29 points30 points  (2 children)

I have seen plenty of average guys clean up via daygame but end up lonely on dating sites.

Game is confidence and charisma. Average look aren't a problem if your Game is tight. Daygame is about Game, online dating is about perception of value.

[–]Kid_Crimson 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This! I'm older and not a bronzed god and can tell you that Tinder and OKC don't yield many results because old fuck! Day Game however is all about letting them experience the thrill and mystery that is me IRL! ...and it gets me some sweet sweet action!

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now I know why my closing ratio is .05% in online dating (24 but look like I'm 17) and 66% in day game. Now to lift like a fucking god for 4 years and I'll have both. Good insight

[–]argentinean 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Sometimes they even go beyond saying they are too shy, but rather that they do not exist or are not even in the place.

Last weekend I went to a club with some friends. It was crowded with sex-starved guys; very few women, even fewer hot ones.

A plate happened to go there, too. Couple days ago she tells me about that night--according to her account of the facts, there were no guys but only girls, and that she ended up dancing alone! WTF are you blind or were you on LSD? Clearly there was abundance of low SMV guys.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Many times that pretty shy girl at the grocery doesn't get hit on as much as you think.

Sure, if she asked a guy for sex, he would say yes. But they want the man to make the move and men aren't.

[–]abdada 18 points19 points  (5 children)

Pretty much why almost all my LTRs were pretty shy girls I met at a grocery store on a Saturday morning.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I've done Starbucks, but this sounds like a great place to meet productivity-minded women too.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

A grocery cart can tell a lot about a person.

[–]sourdieselfuel 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I have an idea of what it might be, but can you expand upon your approach at a grocery store?

[–]abdada 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I'm a no line approacher. I don't use lines on women because it doesn't fit my personality.

I met an LTR in Whole Foods around 9:30am on a Sunday. She was browsing cheese and I told her not to buy the two she had selected. She was shy but asked me why and I grabbed a better cheese and held it out for her (semi kino right after) and discussed it for a few minutes.

Ran into her at checkout and said "it's nice out, those won't spoil fast, let's get coffee next door. Meet me there in ten minutes." And she did. And she passed my 20 minute coffee-close tests and got a second date the next night.

I am pretty good at approaches because I'm not thirsty. Lines don't work for me because I prefer to present myself as witty and charming (natural on both).

[–]redadactyl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are so right about the Saturday Morning thing. The low value ones were trashed the night before and are gonna sloth in bed for the day. Being out and about and running game Saturday Morning is a great way to weed out a lot of the bad ones. Morning people are just healthier and happier overall anyway.

[–]Anderfail 15 points16 points  (24 children)

I've known women who stopped using online services because the shear amount of messages they received regardless of whether it was from guys they wanted or not was overwhelming to the point where they couldn't keep up just viewing them. It's a legitimate problem that is a documented psychological issue wherein people tend to choose nothing when presented with a huge amount of options. This is especially true for women because they are often paralyzed by the inability to make a decision even when presented with just a few options.

Women do have significant issues in the dating world that aren't just related to hypergamy.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (8 children)

Women do have significant issues in the dating world that aren't just related to hypergamy.

Yes they do. Totally agree.

I don't care.

And you shouldn't either.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

And you shouldn't either.

I'd like to think women have it difficult in the dating world, but the reality is I don't think they do. The things they complain about are a tiny fraction of what men have to deal with. No sympathy here.

[–]TheReformist94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They don't have it worse.at least they're getting sex.80% men get no sex or commitment.not even recognition of existence.women should simply lower their standards

[–]Anderfail 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I never said I gave a shit. I don't, just pointing it out that they don't necessarily have it better, just different and equally bad.

[–]RedPillProphet 3 points4 points  (0 children)

equally bad

I sense some nonsensical ideology based thinking there.

[–]philovivero 3 points4 points  (2 children)

They're still human. Betas are also human. Is it not okay to have sympathy for our fellow humans?

Am I in the wrong forum where I still feel like women, betas, omegas deserve our understanding, our nurturing, our care?

[–]haxurmind 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is it not okay to have sympathy for our fellow humans?

IMO it is ok; just remember to not to try and take care of others at the expense of yourself.

A post I did a month ago opened with the below line; from which I went over in greater detail within that post. Not linked as I can't link other posts within this sub.

Find a middle line between being generous and 'generous to a fault'.

[–]Hodensack666 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure they are humans. They yet have to prove they have any sort of humanity in them.

[–]TheReformist94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha init! Boo fucking hoo! God id have loved havijg 100000 options when I was a lonely incel beta at 19! They rele haven't got it bad at all

[–]watch_ping 9 points10 points  (0 children)

"why won't chad message me! I don't want to talk to these icky betas, they're not even 8/10!"

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Women in general have trouble making decisions when presented with various choices. I see this every day in my current position.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women do have significant issues in the dating world that aren't just related to hypergamy.

Ah but this problem is caused by hypergamy. If women were more active and less choosy (eg 7's choose 7's), online dating would be more symmetrical and women wouldn't be overloaded with messages.

[–]whoyoustupid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Overchoice, aka choice overload


[–]tallwheel 2 points3 points  (6 children)

I've known women who stopped using online services because the shear amount of messages they received regardless of whether it was from guys they wanted or not was overwhelming to the point where they couldn't keep up just viewing them.

So they have to sift through profiles of people who messaged them and have already shown interest, instead of profiles of random people on the site and then having to send the first message. Oh boo-hoo.

[–]Anderfail -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Who the fuck has time to go through a thousand messages where 99% of them are hey babe or "want sum fuk" or any number of nonsensical bullshit that so many guys use online? I know I sure as hell wouldn't and would rather spend my time elsewhere.

Some of you act like pointing out anything that women struggle with that men don't makes you somehow against TRP. Jesus Christ sometimes I feel like I'm conversing with children in this place.

[–]JumpXVI 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Who the fuck has time to go through a thousand messages where 99% of them are hey babe or "want sum fuk" or any number of nonsensical bullshit that so many guys use online?

Listen, we get that Overchoice is a real thing. We really do. But of that 99% of those guys above, only 20% are in the top 20% physically, so a girl gets to eliminate a large, large majority of those choices immediately.

It's not as though all the guys saying "want sum fuk" are 6'3" genuine underwear-model heartthrobs. Any person, guy or girl, literally has the benefit of a quick visual scanning and eliminating process when dealing with options presented on a screen.

[–]Anderfail -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The thing is though, she still has to go through those profiles to figure all that shit out. This can quickly become a giant chore and feel more like work than anything else.

I understand it's easy for women to find men offline and such, but this is a major reason why women use dating websites far less than men. It's roughly comparable to why Executive have secretaries to filter email or phone calls or why celebrities have publicists and managers to field contact information. It's a chore and if you actually followed up with every single person just to see what they look like, you would have little time for anything else throughout the day. No one can handle that kind of volume without quickly getting overwhelmed.

Edit - This doesn't apply to Tinder though where the main draw is the initial picture. Tinder isn't a dating app though, it's a hookup app.

[–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Who the fuck has time to go through a thousand messages where 99% of them are hey babe or "want sum fuk" or any number of nonsensical bullshit that so many guys use online?

Sure, most of them are gonna be losers, but there could very well be some in there who are hawt. Guys usually have to make the first move, so as long as she is a decent-looking woman it would be normal for even quality guys to have sent her messages.

Seriously, are you trying to tell me that sifting through hundreds of messages from guys who already expressed interest is worse than sifting through tens of thousands of random profiles from people who haven't even seen your profile yet and might think you are a totally disgusting loser for all you know? I think you need to seriously rethink this before replying next time.

[–]Anderfail 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No, of course I'm not saying that. No where in any of my posts did I imply that they were equal situations and in fact I have not even spoken about male experiences on dating websites. All I ever said was that woman has significant dating issues that aren't just related to hypergamy. I don't see how you could have possibly taken that statement and extrapolated it to mean that I think dating site experiences are equal.

You really should work on your reading comprehension and stop trying to put words in my mouth to setup a strawman argument. I, in fact, agree with you that male experiences on dating sites are worse. My entire point was that no one likes to wade through hundreds of messages to find some good looking guy who is also literate. Most people see 1000 messages in their inbox and then just hit close and likely never check the profile again.

[–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your point still fails because, yes, I would like to sift through 1000 messsages from women who are interested in me, even if only a few of them are attractive.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One time I had this horrible problem. I couldnt find a truck big enough to haul all my gold bars to the bank. Its was a nightmare.

[–]JumpXVI 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Oh no, I would hate to have a plethora of 8s and 9s and 10s messaging me, and appeasing my biological need for validation, all without very literally lifting a finger.

That's like if guys were so paralyzed by options when browsing porn sites that they just decided to close their laptops and not masturbate at all.

Yes, I get that a decision a girl has to make regarding who to date is a little less trivial than the above, but give me a break. You know what you like, so pick it. Are you really gonna starve yourself at the grandest, most varied buffet you've ever seen just because "everything looks so good"?

[–]Anderfail 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I wouldn't want to do this if it was a bunch of women trying to contact me. Granted my reasons are probably a little different in that I just don't care to get to know most people because 95% of the people I meet really aren't all that interesting. Even when I was single, I could not have honestly cared less about meeting people and expanding my social circle. So perhaps I am a little biased here, but frankly I have far more interesting and better things to do than wade through online profiles for hours at a time.

[–]JumpXVI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Isn't it implied that women (and men) who are on online dating sites have very much opted into "meeting people?"

It's not like we're talking about the most satisfied wife or girlfriend in the world here. And even if we were, what would she be doing on an online dating site (hint: you can do the same with that garage parking ticket of yours before you get back to you car)?

[–]slay_it_forward 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know I've recently stopped approaching because it just isn't worth the time. Low ROI even as a pretty good looking guy. Spending hours approaching only to have most girls flake gets frustrating.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women have abundance but no rationality. Women hunger for rationality.

Could you elaborate on this? In what way do they yearn for rationality?

[–]Endorsed Contributorbogeyd6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually pitty my sister a little bit. She was a CC rider all the way to her wall, and then became the old creepy woman hanging out in the clubs. She found her beta, and she couldn't be more depressed. Throughout the years all she said was "Why cant I find a good man?". Hamsters gon' hamster.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We can lift, build our lives, improve ourselves and our smv, age tends to help us after 30. It's easier now at 46 to fuck hot 20 somethings than it was when I was 25. After 30 they have to hope to find a man like you and I. When they do, they can't keep us because we can fuck younger hotter girls with ease. Why commit to her when we can get something better looking?

They must settle for what they can get, and largely it's betas and omegas that kiss her ass, fuck her gently, and bore her to tears. My chick in Chicago has multiple post wall friends who are amazed at what she has found, they can't find a man like me despite trying everything including boob jobs. They want manly men, hardened and capable, not some office weenie with soft hands who does a Camry. They can get hundreds of those guys, but they don't want them.

I'm thrilled I'm a man. No I don't feel sorry for them, and I don't want to save them. They made their choices in youth, they must live with it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They can get what we want, but they can't get what they want. The only people who have it truly easy are extremely attractive and naturally charismatic men and women who have no desire for commitment (very, very rare). Asking any human being for unconditional loyalty is always going to be a path filled with betrayal.

I don't sympathize with women either. They are ultimately turned off by the very thing they are looking for: commitment. A woman's ideal situation would be for all relationships to be open for women only. Her BB husband pays the bills and worships her while she goes out and rides the CC with men above her SMV until she dies. A man's ideal situation is a never ending harem of women who admire and worship him. The woman's is more attainable (any 6 or above can get this with a set of very loose morals), while only top men can attain something close to the man's ideal situation. However, a woman can't really get what she wants, because society shames her. In that sense, we really are biased towards men. At least society allows us to attain our "ideal" situation theoretically.

[–]xray777 89 points89 points [recovered]

I think among the RP and Manosphere community, it IS acknowledged that women are increasingly getting the short end of the dating stick. Hell, that's the Misogyny Bubble in a nutshell, its right on the sidebar.

The thing is.....its THEIR fault. Women are the ones pushing the feminism 3.0 agenda and ultimately torpedoing their own reproductive future as they precision engineer 80% of the men in society into utterly un-fuckable revolting losers leaving 20% who make them wet but will never, ever, ever marry them.

[–][deleted] 67 points68 points  (11 children)

Men have it harder when they're young and women have it harder when they're older. If women don't capitalize on their youthful beauty, they lose the game. If men don't improve themselves when they're young to become a desirable man, they lose the game.

Women are born into it, men are molded it into it. Women just have to be introspective and realize they're not going to be that pretty forever. They need to start looking for men that are attractive and they can help build into better men rather then just wanting the best man available.

I know it's never going to happen in our society because women don't want responsibility for their actions. It's men's fault for "objectifying women" or dating younger women. It's not her fault she missed out on her smv prime and now has to date less attractive men. It's men's.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 50 points51 points  (9 children)

A guy can waste 35 years of his life, spend 3 right & fuck hot 18 years olds from 38 to 48 - not even kidding. Men have a much longer "effective" period within the SMV, which is a why there's also so many more things to hinder us.

There's an inherent asymmetry in the SMV - one that heavily favors men. Women are at their peak desirability between 16 and 26. Men... anywhere from 18 to 48, in some cases maybe even 58 if they are truly exceptional.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (6 children)

Or if they're obscenely rich/exceptionally fit they could do well even at 78.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you're obscenely rich and of age all you need to do is get snipped & not let them move in with you.

Perfect 10s from 16 y/o (where legal) to 36 y/o will be lining up around the block for "conversations".

You know, because of your personality; as long as you give them hope by not mentioning your BC.

[–]hebola4lyfe -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

they could do well even at 78.

easy there , chap . lets not get carried away now.

[–]0kool74 3 points4 points  (0 children)

easy there , chap . lets not get carried away now

You must not have heard of Hugh Hefner lol

[–]Hasmond -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Or if they're obscenely rich

Then she is just dating him for his money.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As long as you're getting sex, it doesn't really matter. With that much money he could bring in a new supermodel every week.

[–]RedLeaderFlyingBy 3 points4 points  (1 child)

My first surfing instructor a long time ago was 58

I thought he was mid 40s

His girlfriend was early 30s

Man taught me a lot that day

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sounds about right ...them "yoga instructors" and "fitness trainers" too. Mhmhm mhmhm

[–]1London-Bananas -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Men never have it harder, they just have it harder getting casual sex. If you think that's what women want as well, it's easy to think being a man is hard mode. Being a man is easy mode. Not only do you have the ability to organize and coordinate your life in a logical way, you also can pick and choose relationships (although you have to date down attractiveness-wise). Men can get it hard for anything with a heartbeat that's not fat.

As OP very correctly pointed out, women of all attractiveness levels need at least a bit of alpha to be physically attracted, but the lower their own attractiveness the smaller that alpha edge will be. So the average woman is in a dangerous spot where she either has to date a beta or risk being pump&dumped. That's why dating is such a stressful experience for women and so relaxed for men. You'll just go to a bar and see what happens. For her there's a war going on in her head. Am I looking slutty? Or prude maybe? What kind of guy is he, am I not classy enough? No don't overdo it he'll think you're distant and cold. Etc etc.

[–]philovivero 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Tiny note: misandry bubble. Not misogyny bubble.

[–]Smooovies 17 points17 points [recovered]

Society and the culture tells you it is your problem. You have to offer yourself up to be her Boyfriend, because that's how you're going to get sex. Society tells you this is your problem because our hypothetical girl is Not Happy, and it is men's job to Make Her Happy. What's more, you're told that if you Make Her Happy then She Will Make You Happy ("happy" being you will get your dick wet).

This is literally where the male hamster is created. It's the mechanism through which the female hamster is translated into a language that young men and pre-TRP men in their 30's and older can understand. Her feels become your money, time and value, through options set fourth in society. If for nothing else, TRP exists to offer another perspective for men.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Yeah, the male hamster IS our problem. The male hamster exists not only to translate her hamsterspeak; but also to rationalize and justify your own decisions and failures.

The male hamster crouches at your door; you must master him.

[–][deleted] 78 points79 points  (17 children)

Tables turn. You were a ghost to her in high school and today she has to settle for a ghost but you are not a ghost anymore.

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[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 39 points40 points  (6 children)

I cannot even begin to describe to you the sheer volume of gorgeous girls I went to HS with all those years ago, of which 90% (at least) have turned into fat, pale, lazy, broke single moms. Or married to some guy who probably worships at the alter of her feet every day because he'd have no chance in hell with anyone else. Strangely satisfying.

[–]TheReplierBRO 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I'm sure being worshiped at the feet as you put it, is strangely satisfying as well.

[–]pmmedenver 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Its probably satisfying in a narcisistic way, but completely dry and sickening in a sexual way.

[–]TheReplierBRO 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's all I was getting at though

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I'm sure for the women it is, to an extent.

[–]TheReplierBRO 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Of course to an extent. The way I see it though, is the way I see a lot of things. That is, this society is so fucked there is probably some sociopath woman who is totally cool with it (which is most likely a lot).

Consider that sociopath tendencies leaves no regard for the person you are breaking down. What was the original idea? Some girl that was attractive back in the day controlling some dude that has a weak mind and therefore can be controlled.

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I tend to think most women have this streak in them, more so than men. However as a rule, I think most humans have this tendency anyway. Some never access it within themselves, some have no trouble doing that.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 36 points37 points  (3 children)

The worst part is that they feel like they are doing you a favor. When you turn them down, about fifty percent of the time the hamster goes all Bruce Banner on your ass. That's partly because she's stuck back in high school and believes her overall worth to be higher than yours still. That's still not my problem, though.

[–]quixoticme1 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I thought they recognized they hit the wall and did this for that reason? I'm new to this. Are you saying women never realize they hit the wall?

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 20 points21 points  (0 children)

So imagine that everything has been handed to you on a silver platter for the last thirty years. The narcissism bred from that is still going to tinge her world view, probably for the rest of her life. Even if they realize that the attention is drying up, and that they need to find Billy Beta to provide, they still think they are a top of the line model as well. So when a guy that was nobody in high school has made himself a man, they assume the dynamic is the same as it used to be. She believes that she is going to have an easy time roping the guy in. When he turns her down and strolls off with a 19 year old HB9, the narcissism ramps up and she starts trying to frame him as a creep for preferring a girl that isn't used up. It's partly because she doesn't want to come to grips with the fact that her SMV, which is the entire self worth of some of these women, has fallen to the point that a guy that used to be on the lowest social rung has now turned her down.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Feels good amiright? Had an old college ex hitting me up on linkedin. She never even let me bang her back then (we went out for a couple months) but she expects me to pick her up now? Yeah no thanks. Bet she let a whole lot of Chads inside her while she was denying me in college. The nerve on that bitch to hit me up after 7 years is crazy. AF/BB is real man. I see it more everyday in real life, movies, tv shows, everywhere.

[–]trancedj 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Don't forget music. I now hear music through a new set of ears. That popular love song - yeah that was clearly written by a lonely BB who got his heart stomped on. AF/BB is literally EVERYWHERE.

[–]setzer_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am gonna do a whole post on exactly this. The bluepill lyrics I hear in everything blows my fucking mind these days... even like 15 year old indie emo bands and shit... I listen now and go whooaaaaaa

[–]philovivero 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And her ability to pay has gone down. To zero.

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Yeah. And the point is....

That's not your problem.

[–][deleted] 64 points65 points  (1 child)

A man can be a loser early in his life, then turn himself around and become a new person.

A woman can be a massive whore early in her life, and now she's ruined forever.

Maybe someone could have saved her if redpillwomen reached out to her in her teens, but it's too late once your partner count is so high you can't remember their names.

Men have a much larger grace period and the ability to bounce back. That's why I'm okay with being a late bloomer that missed out in earlier years.

It has to really, really fucking suck to be a woman. Modern feminism as a sexual strategy is entirely understandable to me.

[–]103342 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I used to come to TRP and think that the whole "too many relationships ruins a girl's value" was kind exaggerated, partially wishful thinking and that her value was only being diminished because she could be considered a slut by society.

But after thinking about my own experiences with more "experienced" girls, specially my last two dates I realised how true it is.

After some time you get so jaded that you just don't have the patience to hide your red flags. These experienced girls are so entitled and jaded that it is VERY hard for them to keep a guy that has other options around.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRed_August 8 points9 points  (2 children)

If you average it out across an individual's entire lifetime, and then average the lifetimes out across all individuals of a gender in a given population, then perhaps the struggles and and wins could be subjectively equal for both genders even if they are different and we are comparing apples with oranges. But this is true only if the rules are close to being "natural". We live in a society saturated with the feminine imperative. Their sexual strategy wins, and man's loses more often than not. So no, men today, on average, and across their lifetime, will necessarily have it harder.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 0 points1 point  (1 child)

i disagree entirely. We are men. They are women. They have periods and have to go through labor. They are whimsical and vapid and are worse at almost everything compared to men. There is no "subjectively equal". We are fucking super computers that can shoot billions of life force out each day without even so much as breaking a sweat. There are species where being female is better, but they are rare and we are certainly not one of them.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRed_August 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The topic of discussion raised here is not which gender is 'better', it's which gender's sexual strategy is currently benefitting from a more favourable cultural and political climate. A TRP cardinal rule on sexual strategies is that for one gender’s sexual strategy to succeed the other gender must compromise or abandon their own (see Rollo). I'm suggesting that the current climate strongly favours female hypergamy. For example, female sexual strategy is advantaged on Western college campuses. Conversely, male sexual strategy was advantaged in post-war Russia (USSR).

[–][deleted] 67 points68 points  (18 children)

I believe that women only have it "harder than we do" because they're unwilling to date down. That's their problem, they're doing it to themselves.

[–][deleted] 58 points59 points  (1 child)

Encouraging or expecting women to date down won't solve their problem. Women are not going to do that; they're hardwired to do just the opposite.

But... It's not your problem anyway; so worry about being awesome.

[–]marplaneit 25 points26 points  (12 children)

It is not that they are unwilling to date down, they are unwilling to date even higher smv guys, if they are not at least top 20-30%. After 3 years of self improvement, and 1 year of hard monk mode, I have a beach body 5'11 165 10% bodyfat (In argentina that's pretty good) in meed school, 20 years old, and recently stared an event bussiness, and I get girls throwing themselves at me, but oh surprise-surprise they are 4-5, at best a super slutty 7.

[–]Steve_Wiener 12 points13 points  (1 child)

You're still very young. That will probably change as you get older, especially if you become a doctor. (Then you can get 7+ gold diggers, lol.)

[–]sourpuss_ashkenazi 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I think this is it. Famous men who seem like could have had any girl like Sean Connery or Robert Deniro looked like silly kids in their twenties. Men gain gravitas as they get older, big time, especially comparing a 20 year old to a 35 year old. When you're in your thirties you'll look back at old pictures and think you looked like a big baby. Though it doesn't make it easier if you're dying for companionship/sex in your twenties though but that's smv for you, its harsh. Harsh on men and women

[–]Smooovies 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Shit. What a waste. Getting fifty 5's is like winning the lottery, with the condition that your herpes flair up whenever you access your account.

[–]RedPillProphet 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Seems... Worth it? I'll just withdraw a million.

[–]TheReplierBRO 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Withdraw and pull all your money from the bank. In other words, quit playing this bullshit game.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Man life fuckin sucks sometimes. I used to be super skinny (6'1" 160, now 6'1" 195) and girls wouldn't even look at me. Now I've got muscle in all the right places so that my body just looks sexual, you know what I'm saying?

[–]BrunoOh 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Your game is probably shit.

And they don't know you're in med school or own a business. Women can't read minds.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

My game ain't, his might be.

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Maybe you aren't as attractive as you think?

[–]marplaneit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am not, but those girls only 2 years a go wouldn't even look in my direction. I Still need to put at least 15 more lbs of muscle, graduate and develop my bussiness.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Not exactly. The problem is that they're only willing to date up. That they consider guys at their level unacceptable.

[–]1London-Bananas 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's a point, but being sexually attracted to someone happens a lot quicker for men. The idea that you can't negotiate attraction goes both ways.

[–]ShitfacedBatman 24 points24 points [recovered]

The most popular problem I encounter women having has everything to do with gender role reversal. A woman will inadvertently assume provider/protector roles in her day to day life and therefore attracts a man who is a nurturer/caregiver.

How/why/how does a woman assume a provider/protector role in life? Blame feminism, career-minded women, "independent" women, and the you-go-girl quota-filling attitude with respect to job promotions. The higher a woman climbs in a man's world, the more masculine she'll become. She might also get fat - a lot of women eat to cope with job stress. Dating feminine nurturer/caregiver types of men also reinforces her role-reversal tendencies.

Some women prefer this. MOST do not. MOST are frustrated and confused and don't know what's going on. Hence, articles like, "where are all the good men at?" Honey, you became a man, sad to say. Whenever I point out a woman's dating problems to her in terms of gender roles, she has an ah-ha moment.

Men have a similar problem. Hate to say it, but yes, there is quite a bit to "they're taking our jerbs!" There is also quite a bit to stagnant wages year in and year out. How the hell do you provide and protect if you're barely making 30k a year? Even at 60k a year? You either can't or you're going to have a very frustrating time of it. Hence the rise of MGTOW. You might date and fuck around now and again, but without a reliable $120k a year, marriage will probably never enter the realm of "semi-reasonable" for you, especially in America. Gatekeepers of commitment, indeed.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Could be. Plausible.

But as a reminder: This is not your problem.

[–]WallstreetBateman 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yeah ok so they have a problem. I'll agree with you there. But let's not pretend that they don't have a solution. And a pretty good one too in that.

When you want sex then get sex from Chad. When you want commitment then get it from Billy. It's basically AFBB. Branch swinging. Call it what you want. Whatever. That's their solution. And it's incredibly efficient at that too. It's like doing isolation exercises. (Which some say is not preferred but that's another story).

Women are perfectly happy to operate this way. High quality sex when you want it. High quality commitment when you want. So getting back to your main point...is it really even a problem if they can get what they want from different men?

Who says they NEED commitment and sex from the same person? Even if you want to argue that women are always wanting to trade up (which means that they will not be happy unless they Chad to commit) that still doesn't make it a legitimate problem. It's just a problem in their own heads. Created by the hamster if you will.

If i had to become a woman (without growing a hamster) I would be ecstatic to take advantage of the AFBB strategy. And you should be too. Never appease the hamster.

[–]Rasalom72 34 points35 points  (7 children)

The largest problem women have is that they take no accountability for how their relationships turn out.

I'm not getting any "quality men"... and wonder why... It's cause your a fat fuck. Get off your ass, and hit the gym. And put on some makeup, and get rid of that short orange hair... Stop trying to out man every guy you see..

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (5 children)

This post isn't about those women. It's more about average women, not deliberately unattractive wildebeests or about radfems with orange hair.

[–]Rasalom72 42 points43 points  (4 children)

Yea... but even the "average" woman now is a fat fuck.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (3 children)

That's her problem, not yours and not mine.

Men's problem is: if HE is a fat fuck; if HE is unattractive; if HE has nothing to offer besides provider credentials. He needs to work on that.

If all she can attract are men who want only to fuck her, that's her problem, not mine and not yours.

[–]Rasalom72 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Yea, but that's the point of the OP. Women's dating/sex problems. Plus, it's becomes our problems when we have to see these fucking hambeasts in the wild... Jesus, I saw one the other day and my cock did a turtle head and crawled up into my body to get away from it...

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

but that's the point of the OP.

No it's not. The point of the OP is that women's problems are not your problems. So don't make them your problems.

See them. Identify them. Know they are there. Understand them and why they exist.

Don't try to fix them, resolve them, change them or alleviate them.

[–]RedPillProphet 7 points8 points  (0 children)

STFU OP and let me tell you what the point of the OP is

[–]1PantsonFire1234 15 points16 points  (2 children)

So you're saying women have a tough time because they can only date a guy who's a point higher than her? Inbetween she can choose to degrade/validate herself by banging 9's and 10's for a while, how awfull.

You would almost forget that there's a gym within a 15 mile radius that could crank that meager 5-6 into a reasonable 7. Make up that could accentuate that even further. Horrible odds to face.

They are definatly having a hard time because I see no way how these women could have it all! Excuse my sarcasm but I think you're entire post is a bunch of baloney. Even ugly looking women can date a reasonable 7 if they would put their butt to work and learn how to look and act seductive. I know plenty of semi beta's that would jump at the chance to LTR some six on behalf of one condition (don't be fat). How hard can it be?

Women can only claim to have it hard if you would accept their dumb premise that they are entitled to have everything. That's ridiculous.

Let me put this down very clearly so every guy who's feeling slightly re-plugged due to your beta baiting post wakes the fuck up again-

Women who are 5-6 deserve a 6-7. Men who are a 7 deserve a 5-7. Anything that strays away from that measurement is due to the obliviousness of some indoctrinated guy or the alpha game of some chad. Women don't have it difficult

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

For real tho. Everytime I go to the gym, it is overwhelmingly filled with men. Women just don't want to work for it.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Apparently this is happening all over the world. The only time I see women at the gym is pre-summer. Them bitches don't like the struggle.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

"Woman, by her nature, is condemned to being a miserable cunt"

-The Bible.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 18 points19 points  (1 child)

She's in a tough spot.

No she's not. She doesn't do anything. She takes her beta bux and her alpha fucks where she can get them, and she compromises more towards the beta as time goes on. Fucking easy, fun and profitable. All her friends, all the laws, all the courts are always on her side. No responsibility is afforded her, men are always to blame.

It's not like she actually goes to any effort or has any active role to play in the dating game, nor are there any consequences and there is no investment or rejection either.

It's fucking easy to date as a woman. And don't tell me "but she's gotta choose the one"... bullshit, she just upgrades and branch swings as she feels like it. Picking from your choices of men offering so much is fucking easy.

Settling down with The One is tough for the reasons you outline, and many women simply don't do this. The pursue their AF and BB strategy even while in relationships and even when married. And noone blames her, noone holds her responsible, there's always a load of betas willing to rescue her and buy her story of how Chad abused her (by leaving, but she always skips that part of the story).

If anyone can fuck up dating on super super super easy mode, they'd have to be utterly retarded. And they do. They do plenty. But let's not pretend the game itself is in any way difficult for them.

Edit: additional thoughts: Your average women could do fuckloads to be more attractive. Lose weight and get in shape, get better hair, be more charming and less aggressive/emotionally-abusive/manipulative towards men, etc. Any woman that isn't doing these very basic things has no right to complain that she can't get a man good enough for her. If she isn't viewing a relationship as an exchange, then she's a lazy entitled nobody and I have no time for her.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She takes her beta bux and her alpha fucks where she can get them, and she compromises more towards the beta as time goes on.

Compromising toward the beta gets more necessary and less palatable as time goes on. That's a tough place to be. But still not my problem.

It's fucking easy to date as a woman.

That's not the fact proposition I offered. No quarrel with the idea that it's easy to date as a woman. What's exceedingly difficult for a woman is to get commitment from a high value man.

But, that's not my problem and it's not yours either.

Settling down with The One is tough for the reasons you outline, and many women simply don't do this.

They don't do it because they cannot find "the One". They can find superalphas they like fucking; or they can find simpering wimpass beta providers. But yet again -- NOT OUR PROBLEM.

The carousel rider has her own problems that you can't fix. So think about your problems and how you can solve them instead of complaining that women are fucking up solving their own problems.

[–]CreateTheFuture 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is the most insightful post I've seen here in a while. Amazingly, it's unlike most of the analysis posts we see every day that are far too long on words and far too short on truth.

Take notes, gents. Long-winded does not equal wise.

[–]Keninishna 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Women suffer because they live a paradox, they want power and money and social status from a guy and they want to have sex with him. The problem is if they get the value from the guy they no longer want anything from him because they took it away and the guy kicks himself like wtf did I just get laid or scammed. The alphas just think selfishly and don't give the women power just the sex and the women feel cheated because they put out and got nothing for it and the alphas keep their power and go on to fuck more women who think they can take it. If you think about it the term getting fucked or screwed over makes a lot of sense. Really being alpha is having high value and not giving that value away ever.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

OP is right and I could give zero fucks about female dating problems, because they are generally self-inflicted.

The root cause of the problem is that women are emotional creatures trying to win in a market that rewards rational decision making. A woman trying to navigate the SMP is like a guy who wins million dollar lotto, cashes in his ticket and immediately goes to a high stakes poker game, leaving a few hours later broke and humiliated.

What would a rational female player in the SMP do? She'd seek commitment when she's young and her value is highest, she'd get an accurate assessment of her own value, bid within a reasonable value range and preserve her ability to pair bond by remaining chaste.

What do members of the YOLO sisterhood do nowadays? They follow shitty feminist advice and do the exact fucking opposite. They develop an inflated sense of their own value, give away their precious resource for free when it's at peak value, depress their market value by seeking buyers who have the least incentive to commit and attempt to cash in when their assets are almost fully depreciated.

It's almost pathetic, because it's like taking candy from a baby if you're an experienced player.


[–]mrpCamper 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You know. This is totally spot on. And the sooner I can fully 100% gauge myself around the fact that "It's not my problem." The better off I'l be. Amen sister!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Universalize this post and you have the morality of Objectivism: you're an end in yourself. Be brutally honest about the reality of things, determine whats in your rational self-interest, and quit allowing that altruistic BS idea that you gain value or virtue by putting someone else before you.

[–]Carbone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your text sound like the intro of this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPpIGQ9ZWFw

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great post. It does summarize my thinking about TRP and my own life, while TRP is a sexual strategy TRPis not about women, it's about me and my own life. Women are a nice accessory to it.

Reading at the comments: do women have it better or worse? They have a different set of circumstances, some aspects are better off then a guy's life, some other are not.

I do see feminism at large as a disservice to everyone, but first and foremost to the women whose interest is supposed to safeguard.

The average Red Pill guy can quickly soar to be at top 10% guy just by:

  • removing women from the pedestal and put himself there Occupy your own pedestal

  • hit the gym, and hit it hard; and fix your diet

  • pursue your dream career

  • pursue your interests

  • learn a bit of game

That is not much to ask, and it's FUN.

Now, back to the OP's average woman, she has nowhere to go, no path, no philosophy to follow or fall back into to become a top 10%. Sad.

[–]Plan_of_Action 10 points10 points [recovered]

I'm trying my best to hold back the immediate feelings of rage that this post filled me with. Let me just say one thing. Women have it fucking easy. They don't know it, but they have it easy. Everyone thinks their own road is tough. Of course they think their problems are tough, but their real problem is that they're just too fucking greedy/picky. They could easily have someone better looking than them that would also be a great partner and provider. That is theirs. No man (or very few) can say this. They can also have all the depraved crazy sex that they crave with much higher value people than themselves. What man can say this?

Their problem summed up = Oh noes! I only get commitment from kind of awesome guys, when I want commitment from SUPER awesome guys! WAAAAAAHHH

The problem for most men = I haven't been laid in months. No one gives a fuck about me. No one gives a fuck about my problems, and when I do find a girlfriend she will cheat on me with someone better than me, with someone she feels entitled to.

Don't confuse the two. Women do. not. have. it. hard.... and believing that they do is the failure of a massive shit test. I've seen women who think they are working hard at the gym but barely break a sweat. I've seen women feign pain for sympathy. I've seen women who fully believe that they are having a bad time in their life, pull a complete 180 and believe their life is actually pretty awesome when they think they'll lose their security.

Don't buy this bullshit. Women have it so fucking easy that they are blind to it.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Exactly. "Woman have it hard because their super unrealistic expectations, of having an extremely high-value man commit to them when they have little to nothing to offer, aren't often met." Cry me a river.

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[–]Plan_of_Action 3 points3 points [recovered]

How about some arguments instead of bashing? In case you're wondering. I get laid just fine. I'm not always angry or anything. I just come from a position where it took an immense amount of effort to get the freedom to have a small amount of selection in the sexual market place. I know what it's like to starve and feel alone. 80% of women have no idea what it's like, and I think what I'm saying is pretty valid, and if it was presented as it's own post instead of a comment in a thread that just got upvoted, then I would have some support in what I'm saying.

[–]Sdom1 -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

This post shouldn't fill you with rage. There's nothing in the OP's post worth getting even mildly angry over. You sound jealous of women, but that was the OP's whole point-don't be jealous of them, because they don't want the same shit you want. Getting what you want is challenging for both sexes, they just want different things.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I'm just tired of people saying that women have it hard. That's fucking retarded. Their problem is like having to choose between eating pie that night and whenever they want, or a steady diet of roast beef. Except that most of them eat both whenever they want, it's all free, and they can go back for seconds and thirds, there is no judgment, and even if they do it so much that they are disgustingly obese, society as a whole coddles them and tells them that they're doing a great job, and even provides the associated care they'll need. All the while, most men can't even afford bread, will never be able to afford a steady diet better than lunch meat sandwiches, there are no expiration labels on their food, and someone else could come into their home and eat their food whenever they want and it's seen as their fault that someone else ate their food, like they have some kind of character flaw.

Women have it easy. I'm not mad at women for this, and I'm not jealous. I would hate to be a woman. Literally everything about being a woman sucks except for exactly what this post is about. They have no dating problems. I'm mad at our society for not shaming and punishing shitty behavior and for taking away all the natural consequences of shitty behavior from women. They run wild and live in a world of complete provision and comfort. I've seen it first hand, had it described to me by women. I know women who would totally agree with me that they have it easy, but would still complain that Prince Charming hasn't proposed to them (an open marriage where they can get dp'd by Hercules and Thor whenever they get bored). This isn't a problem. It's a weak complaint at best.

Cry me a fucking river.

Whereas I've had to fucking engineer myself to go from incel to pretty successful with women, and if I dare commit to someone then I'm very certain that I'll be cheated on for someone probably 3 points better looking than my girlfriend. This is a real problem. It's a real societal problem. As long as things are the way they are there will be very few happy men. An increasing number of mass shootings, and a myriad of other associated problems. There is nothing more dangerous or powerful than large groups of unhappy, jaded, and idle men who have nothing to lose.

I'm not just defending myself. I have this shit figured out. I'm happy and get laid whenever I need it. I will never commit to another woman and that's just fine. Not very many men are in the same boat. Men live in a real world full of real problems, and no one gives a fuck about that.

[–]Sdom1 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Again, you are being solipsistic. Your hamster is running so fast that we had to design an entirely new lubricant to prevent it from destroying its wheel.

Men and women both have a core problem they have to solve in the sexual strategy sphere. Remember, your only real goal as a life form is to spread your genes as much as possible. Their problems are different, almost opposite. A man has to spread his seed to as many women as possible. A woman has to obtain the commitment of one of the strongest male candidates out there. These goals are directly at odds with each other.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The difference is in the quality of the problem. Believe me, I know what their 'problem' is. I know this shit like the back of my hand. I've been here for a while. Read my comments again, and check the suicide rates, unemployment rates, check any statistic involving the quality of life of men and women.

Not being able to pick a dick is not equivalent to the struggle of men. It's a simple fact, and in a society like ours that provides for and protects women from their terrible decisions, things become more and more skewed.

This is why I'm saying that their 'problem' isn't much of a problem, if it's even worth mentioning at all.

Compare the problems a child in grade school would face, to the problems a grown man in the army would face. This is hyperbolic, but similar to the situation we find ourselves in. Each party takes their own problems seriously. Maybe equally so. One party has real problems, the other one doesn't want to be embarrassed in gym class. I have enough experience with women to know what category they fall into. Life is beautiful for a woman (hb 6-10). Watch them, listen to the way they speak. It's like a hopeful positive child. This is one of the main reasons that I like to have a woman in my life anyway. The primary difference that separates men from women and children is that men categorically experience more pain and suffering than women and children. It's what makes us different from them.

Am I missing something?

[–]Sdom1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Am I missing something?

Absolutely. Read the title of the thread. Women have Dating/Sex Problems Too. They're Just Not YOUR Problems. You've missed the point of the thread to make this a Men's Rights crusade, bringing in suicide stats and shit. That has nothing to do with what we were trying to discuss.

[–]hebola4lyfe 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Never EVER believe that women have it hard . This is a disgusting lie . I can't believe so many of you agree with Op. This is simply not true for any women. They basically dont need to lift a finger.

Women will ALWAYS have it easy even for commitment from guys.

Women have it so easy that they don't even have the slightest clue how difficult dating ACTUALLY is .

A 4-5 girl can easily get a 6-7 guy's commitment ; she will not be attracted to him and will treat him like a provider . These guys will literally give them everything she will ask them. They are the so called betas : they are everywhere around the globe.

There are so many beta white knights out there that it is impossible for women to have dating/sex problems .

WOMEN DO NOT HAVE IT HARD . Remember this .

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But shes 25 so that means she hit the wall, bro!!!!!!!/

[–]Steve_Wiener 8 points9 points  (4 children)

They have dating problems because they won't date down and in many cases won't date an equal. Also because they are pathological insane-os who subconsciously sabotage their own relationships.

I have 0 sympathy. Except for the top of the top percent of men they control the dating/sex game from high school till the wall. Cry me a fucking river.

[–]whoyoustupid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They are hypergamous. This is not something that can be changed. Women only date up. Use this knowledge to your advantage.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Women won't "date down" because they're hardwired not to. Feature, not bug. It's a manufacturing feature that can't be designed out of the product.

I don't agree all women are pathological or nuts. A few are; but only because something happened, by chance or by choice, to bring that into their lives. I will say that many who are such, or who sabotage their own relationships, bring many of their problems upon themselves.

The point is not that women have problems; the point is that their problems are not your problems.

[–]RedPillProphet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women won't "date down" because they're hardwired not to. Feature, not bug. It's a manufacturing feature that can't be designed out of the product.

Yet they do often override their natural desires after being burned by a few alphas (before hitting the walk).

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's not a "feature", it's definitely programmed into them by the media and their friends. Some girls do appreciate the value of people and "date down" but not in the typical sense, if you are unique and have the type of personality they are looking for, and a bit of balance everywhere else, some girls will rate you above everyone else and choose you for that. A good sense of humour especially can keep 'the tingles' going for some girls.

[–]Soitgoes48 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Just take a moment to imagine the life of a woman that is a 3 or a 4. The feels man.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yep. It's difficult. But she will still be able to deploy sex to get a man for commitment. She won't get a high value man. She won't get the best man. But she will still be able to get one.

She has problems, that 's for sure. But they are her problems to solve. They are not your problems.

[–]stewenson 10 points10 points [recovered]

imagine what it has to be for a guy who is a 3 or a 4. THAT hurts. who is he supposed to date if a woman dates only up? zeros, ones maybe?

[–]Soitgoes48 8 points9 points  (0 children)

A man's SMV can easily be improved as it is a rating based about the action he has taken in his life. His daily habits and mindsets.

A woman's SMV is based in passivity and can be improved slightly if she has glaring health or hygiene issues by losing weight or putting on makeup, but it isnt nearly as fluid as a mans.

I'm not feeling bad for them, however as they will still get thrown a few bones in their time. Simply making an observation.

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yup. Taking random 5-6 badboy cock till the wall. Then you're alone forever.

Still no sympathy for these cunts, but I get it.

[–]averageredditor123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

95% of the time, the reason she is a 3 or 4 is because she is fat and refuses to do anything about it.

[–]myprimetime 5 points5 points [recovered]

here is the thing, every woman thinks she is the exception...every woman thinks she is the princess that will get prince charming.

so they play the game to the brink. Dating/fucking high quality men, looking to get them to commit. Then at 30, it's the quick scramble to sink their hooks into anyone with a dick before their looks fade completely. The amount of time it takes them to do so, depends purely on how fast they are to realize their actual value.

the problem is that for each woman her internal "VALUE" is always higher than what it is in reality.

She might be a 6 in the looks/personality department, but she thinks her $40K/yr marketing career, means that she is now actually an 8. So she won't even give the time of day to a guy who is a 6...because she just thinks they are different species now.

And all the dating apps aren't helping. They give them too much choice, so they are like a kid in a candy store, being told to pick one candy to bring home.

But the thing with dating sites, is that after she gets home from your date, and hops back on, she gets 50 new messages from quality men. So she is comparing the imperfect you she saw in person(he dropped his fork, he made a bad pun, he had a pimple) to the perfect Chads that keep messaging her.

But the problem is that none of those Chads will be perfect either, EVERYONE lies on their dating profiles. If someone is that perfect, they wouldn't be on there in the first place. So she becomes a serial dater, going on 60-70 dates in a row without finding anyone who fits her crazy specific criteria. Which ends up fucking up her psyche.

That's why I only use the dating sites/apps for hookups only. I just find the women who actually use these to be too broken for actual dating. They just get way too much attention, so the chances of them staying interested beyond a few dates is just too high. There is always someone new to catch their interest. So better to get in, dump your load, and move on.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Blah blah blah princess blah blah commit blah blah value blah blah job blah messages blah blah Chad.



[–]yaardi 8 points9 points  (10 children)

Good topic. A lot of guys think women's relationship life is on easy-mode. And that's kinda true but only if she wants to ride the CC, which is a short-term "victory".

[–]DodgedAFew 54 points55 points  (7 children)

You know that guy who divorced a rich chick and now lives off alimony? I don't.

[–]AmazingAndy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tom Arnold - the white whale of alimony. managed to bag a rich (overweight) woman and milk her for millions

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

IF the issue is getting sex and attention from high value men, then yes, her life IS on easy-mode.

A lot of low and mid-value men are tying themselves in knots trying to make women happy by showing them what great Boyfriends they can be -- "LOOK Miss Princess! I'm a great Boyfriend! I make you HAPPY!"

Her dating problems are not his problems. He fucks up his life by making it his problem.

He needs to solve his own problems by getting awesome and by not concerning himself with her dating problems.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

My father would have had a great retirement if he hadn't tried to save every single mother with their ungrateful bastard kids.

[–]DontKnowMargo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this. I am starting to get the RP mentality.

[–]wtfdizzy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's sad to see how much the "you have to make her happy in order to get sex/a girlfriend" agenda is pushed at young boys, especially in high school. Hell, it can start earlier than that, especially since girls mature quicker than boys.

When I was in high school, it was expected of boys to buy their girlfriends lots of gifts. Stupid shit like flowers, chocolates, etc. And for what? The chance at maybe getting laid? Not likely. The hypergamy bubble in women starts VERY young. Shit, my high school girlfriend would get super pissed at me for not buying gifts for her when her friends would receive gifts from their boyfriends. It was fucking ridiculous! Unfortunately, stupid young me fell into that trap.

Guys, it's never your problem when women have a horrible time dating. As OP said, all you have to do is mold yourself into the best man you can be, and the rewards will show.

[–]ransay3277 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is an awesome post that should be required red pill reading. Most women are totally delusional as to what their true SMV is. Especially the snowflakes that are getting near the wall. They constantly hear the "you go girl" from their friends and they haven't a clue.

One day at work I overheard two female co-workers talking and heard one tell the other... "He's just not hot enough." I was stunned! This lady was a fucking 2. Who the hell did she think she was going to get, Brad Pitt?

Hypergamy is the curse of todays woman. I guess that's why so many are miserable. Oh well, like the man says... Not my problem!

[–]Bukowski1977 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I needed this right now. Thanks.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The first three lines were enough.

Single moms have a hard life, and have struggle - not your problem

sugar babies are in gilded cages - not your problem

Every single one of those things are an easy way to suck you into hell as well, the reason they aren't your problem? Because why would you run a race (happiness) with a weight on your ankles?

[–]jeruka 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I find it ironic that you preach that every guy should focus on themselves and do what they wanna do but in the same time you say that every one needs to do just those things that get the girls.

"Get some better clothes and a hair cut" How exactly is that living for yourself. Broadcasting a higher status to get more women is the opposite of living for yourself. Spending your hard earned dollars to get fancy clothes that don't have any practical function. That's living for women. I'm down with working out, eating good and taking care of yourself because those things make my life better even without the increased sexual access. And if we are talking about exercising, why is it always just "go to gym". yeah that's right because that's what gets you the girls because you should let women's unconscious desires to dictate what you do in your life. If you really want to live life for yourself, then snap out of the gynocentric mindset that tells you that success in life is determined by what gets you laid. If the women come after that, let em but don't live your life for them.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Meh. You don't want to attract women, then don't do anything to attract women.

[–]friedbats 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then go live for yourself with greasy hair and sweatpants inside all day. I don't believe looking well groomed is always about female attraction.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dressing well and having a good haircut is for YOU. It makes you feel better. Going to the gym is for YOU. It makes you feel and perform better. Indirectly, these just so happen to be things that women like. Regardless if your doing it for them or not, it's a good feeling to be liked by people of the sex you're attracted to. Doesn't matter who you are. Your comment is almost supporting MGTOW and belongs in that circle jerk.

Spending hard earned money on clothes.... Please. As if a man shouldn't care about his appearance.

[–]rossiFan 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I knew a woman at a former workplace who was a 9.5 about 90% of the time. I never could figure out why she worked. Why she didn't go get a sugar daddy. I was casual friends with her. I told her she should launch "Operation Sugar Daddy", and we laughed about it. We worked out at the same time at the same gym. I would talk to her and guys would come over to me afterwards and ask, "WHO IS SHE"?

I was/am perplexed by her. But, yeah, OP - even the hot ones have problems.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Hot women are a completely different story with their dating problems.

  1. They get constant sexual attention all the time. They have men hitting on them all the time. Truly hot women, HB 9s and 10s, are seen as having little to no intrinsic value outside of their physical appearances. They have difficulty determining whether others' dealings with them are genuine. They get special treatment because of their appearances; and they know it. Hence they never know if they earned something on their own merit; or if they got special treatment or "passed" because of their appearances. They have a hard time sorting through it all.

  2. Very attractive men -- their SMV peers -- don't spend time on very attractive women. The reason is because very attractive women are way too much work for attractive men. HG 9 men have a backbench of HB 6s and 7s who will fellate them at the drop of a hat. Whereas, the HB9 or HB10 wants courting, dating, and commitment -- and she is hot enough to demand it. HG9s and 10s say "Nah. Not gonna work work work for an HB 9 when I got my choice among 3 HB 7s for next to NO effort at all."

  3. Very attractive women are frequently not taken seriously. They really do get the world handed to them, get fawned over, get pedestalized and supplicated to, because of their attractiveness. They are viewed as never having any problems at all because the entire world falls at their feet. Even intelligent or accomplished HB10 women are frequently not taken seriously, since everyone believes they got what they have because of their looks.

Perhaps some of that is true; some is not.

None of that is my problem, though.

[–]wheyapartment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't agree with 2

When both the man and woman in a relationship are 10s the man is in control because of the alpha - woman - beta heirarchy

[–]SW9876 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd say that this all comes down to the fact that men appreciate and women depreciate. A men can be dealt a shit hand and work his ass off to improve himself and become an 8. A woman on the other hand only has so much to work with. Obviously she can greatly increase her SMV by staying health/physically fit, but she'll never be an 8.

[–]2IVIaskerade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I always find it funny when women come to TRP and go "you say all these contradictory things - what's a woman actually supposed to do with that?"

I dunno bitch, figure it out yourself? I'm not claiming to have the answers you want, but that's not my problem.

[–]Mister_JR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, tough shit for them.

Seriously though, good post pointing out the different way to view.

[–]Hamster100 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow. this is exactly what I needed to hear right now.

[–]Bhiim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fucking awesome post. This exact concept has been swirling in my head but thanks to you, I've finally found the words to express it. Also good to see it on top 50 of all reddit posts. Lol you guys putting redpill on the radar.

[–]MoesBAR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Funny, I just read this huffpost article about a woman who's husband has low T, has been cheating on him with a 19 year old former employee and yet basically lists herself as the victim still. Says she'll consider ending the cheating if the treatment her husband gets make him want to be more sexually active.

[–]Ahrny 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wish i had this said to me in high school... would had saved me a lot of trouble...

[–]fullhalf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

your reasons are shit. the only reason that matters is women should not expect a man above her station. yea her problems arent my problems. her problems are being too fucking entitled. she would have absolutely no problems finding a long term bf if she didn't reach above her station. women have had the problem of being dissatisfied since the beginning of humanity. it's just radical feminism has made them think that they can get something better when they can't. that's why you get so many alpha widows now. most men know they can't get a ten but most women think a 10 man would want to invest all his resources into protecting and supporting them. it's a bullshit dream. it's just so irritating that radical feminism is trying so hard to force that fantasy down the throat of all men. no fuck you bitches, fat is fucking disgusting. at the same time, a woman with a college degree wouldn't even consider a man without one. holy shit the hypocrisy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

deleted What is this?

[–]occupythekitchen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a man who goes through phases of being highly motivated and wanted to phases of being overlooked this hits the nail.

Your dating/sexual problem is that you are not awesome and your lives aren't what you want them to be. You're overweight, you don't eat well, and you don't take care of yourself. You don't exercise, you don't take care of your body and you don't dress well. You don't look and feel your best. You don't like your job or you're not all that good at your job. You don't have anything in your life you really enjoy being or doing, just for you.

i am awesome I make new friends constantly but my life definitely isnt what I want to be. the next sentence is a big yep especially now that I hurt my heel due to a fall. I try to dress well but not always other than that I feel the rest of the 3rd sentence is spot on. Definitely 4th sentence is a home run. The fifth is a bit irrelevant since i am a student. Not necessarily true but my choices for time are mostly reclusive.

We all talk about changing our images our whatever...invest in yourself and youll be a better man. Well yeah I get it everytime so I did become a better man and more wanted by females but that didnt make me happy, my depression clock has been on and off in 2 years cycle, work out get good looking and fit start banging neglect work out and fall into depression.

Do all of you guys get so intoxicated by female attention that you forget you are happy on your own or do you just ignore it. Ive cancelled on side girls before because I wanted to be with myself not to get a side plate, ive avoided feminine attention to have my own time. Having women in your life is exciting and stimulating but sometimes you just want to be left alone. Am I alone in this sentiment or is this something we pretend doesnt exist. One of my first alpha experiences was manipulating my younger brother since i was bigger and scary to him but most of the time when his beta younger self followed me i wanted to be alone.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

so basically, dating culture in 2015 is different from dating culture in 1985. In other words, if your parents taught you how they got girls in 1985, disregard all their advice.


[–]VodkaTankerSpill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have no sympathy for them. Life on easy mode, including dating. They never had to do so little in order to get so much.

[–]imCzaR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"whose cock she wants to suck twice a day" Twice??!?? Sign me up.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And I can't find a 10/10 billionaire girl who will suck my dick every morning and do all the chores.

What about MY problems? Life is so difficult /s

[–]Hodensack666 0 points1 point  (0 children)

eeeeeerm..... why should an man "have to" support her ? And how many men ae going to submit into such conctract especially today, where men have zero rights at all, since you womenfolks have eliminated all rights for men and gave ureselv plenty of benefits ... etc ... how many men u think are retarded enought to do that ?

how about women finally start to grow up and show some responsibility ??!! Why is that not an option ?


[–]Spiral-knight -1 points0 points  (0 children)

A number of the angry comments here carry a wiff of Nice Guy beta thought process.

"women don't have it hard! they're just to picky!"

can quickly turn into

"That 9 had no right turning me down. Stupid picky bitch, my entry-level game and 2 weeks at the gym should be enough"

Women are the product of evolution. Biology and society has made them that way. It is not fair but angry comments and scorn for this self-inflicted problem won't do anything except make you bitter and possibly effect you down the road

[–]MachineFknHead -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lol you're so retarded. "Sire or father her children" really? Chicks just want to bang hot guys.

I want to bang hot chicks. Omg amazing right? Crazy that chicks want to fuck dudes who are hotter than they are! Guess what, me too. Incredible.

[–]Double_A_92 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

tldr version: Be a 9 or 10, so you can get whatever you want from women.