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Red Pill ExampleAll Men Are Like That (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil

The Red Pill subreddit has existed since 2013. Over the past two years we as a community have more or less come to the consensus that modern western woman are not to be trusted. Sure there are definitely some good ones out there. However, today's women fully understand that if they are getting cock-blasted in cowgirl position while their husband is getting blasted by munitions in Afghanistan, they stand to win all sorts of cash and prizes in a glamorous divorce extravaganza. It is precisely because of such perverse modern incentives that the Red Pill cautions men not to trust women. All women are like that, is repeated ad nauseum because enough women are, that men have no choice but to be careful.

But what about men? After all if we can make a broad generalization about modern women, we can definitely do the same for modern men. So what are all men like? All Men are Betas. Which is to say most to the point where it is nearly indistinguishable from all men are weak insecure betas. Let that one sink in for a bit. I know it hurts. You really think that just because you subscribe to an internet forum with repackaged traditional gender roles, you're not a beta? I just triggered some insecure faggot into blasting "I'm not a beta" into the comments in an effort to make himself feel better. Which is hilarious because that's exactly what betas do. They make themselves feel better through porn, alcohol, video games, and sassy internet comments, instead of resolving the underling issue.

How did all men become betas? In 1970 feminist Robin Morgan wrote, "We can't destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage." Forty five years later it's clear that feminists have accomplished their mission of removing men from their child's lives and replacing him with the state. Feminists obliterated the nuclear family by making divorce easy, profitable, and shameless for women. That coupled with a systematic campaign of demonizing all men as rapists and abusers has fostered an irrational fear of men in women. Consequently, the presence of men in children's lives has been greatly diminished. Boy's are raised in the near absence of strong men. All competitive aggressive and masculine behaviors are discouraged or medicated by the women who teach and parent boys, partially due to a culture that demonizes masculinity. Boy's raised without masculinity can not be masculine which is exactly why they grow up to be betas.

The other reason why all men are beta is biological. There has been a generational age independent decline in testosterone, in American men. Endicrinology Today cites lifestyle factors, such as increasing use of tight-fitting underwear, increasing room temperatures in American homes and offices, decreased physical activity and an increased in body mass as possible contributing factors. Another possible explanation for the phenomenon are artificial compounds with estrogen-like properties or xenoestrogens . These compounds are present in all sorts of things from lotions to pesticides and when they enter your body through dermal absorption or inhalation they can cause endocrine disruption and make you beta as fuck.

What does all of this mean for Red Pill men? Some of it is obvious. Limit your diet to healthy unprocessed foods. Make fitness a priority. Don't wear tight underwear. Manspread as much as possible. Use a natural soap made from the rendered fat of your enemies. Maybe even talk to an endocrinologist.

However, some of it isn't simple. Understand that you were conditioned for years to be a nice little beta boy by your mommy, your teachers, and endless hours of good-guy-gets-the-girl media. That kind of deep psychological conditioning isn't easily overcome. The Red Pill can only teach you the rules of the game. The Red Pill can't actually make you better at the game. That takes time, practice, and rewiring your brain by engaging in challenging, stressful, and masculine pursuits like boxing and powerlifting. Until you reengineer your mind and become anti-fragile you will always have approach anxiety, social anxiety, and confidence issues.

The next thing you should know is that you better try damn hard to change, because most men in your circumstance have failed. What percentage of men do you think will make it through a 12 week Stronglifts program after swearing up and down that they will do anything to improve their bodies? I can tell you from first hand experience its 10-15% maximum. Back when I worked for a commercial gym, my manager used to wave a spreadsheet in the air laughing at all the commission he was making from the losers who didn't show up, but still paid dues. You know why? Because fucking betas out of wads of cash through bullshit contracts feels amazing. Fucking beta's wives and girlfriends feels amazing. Reaching your hand out and taking from another person as they watch helplessly, feels amazing. People would rather die than give up on that feeling because that's how fucking amazing it is. The EMSK Poster partially understood how brutal the Red Pill's game can be and decided not to play it. What he didn't realize is that by intentionally keeping himself vulnerable he was leaving the door open for the wolves. The only thing that can save a man from the wolves is becoming a wolf. If you want to complain about how unfair wolves are for manipulating men the same way you aspire to manipulate women, the Red Pill isn't for you. Be grateful for all of the wolves who have chosen to tell you the art of wolf. In the wild wolves eat sheep without telling them why or how.

Which brings me to my last point. The Red Pill isn't for most people. Reading the Red Pill will only help you, if you are willing to do the Red Pill. Most of you talk Red Pill without doing the Red Pill. Most of you are physically weaker than my 5 foot 2 112 pound girlfriend and are more than happy to remain that way until you die. The Red Pill isn't helping you its only making you upset, so do yourself a huge favor and hit that unsubscribe button. After that maybe sit down on a comfortable couch open a beer and watch some television. Maybe after three hours of that get your dick out and masturbate furiously until you shoot a fat load onto your fat fucking man tits. You're welcome for the motivation.

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[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 160 points161 points  (21 children)

You've gotta want it. If you dont want it, no one can help you, you're just vicariously living through others that post, like a die-hard sports fan. None of this here means anything unless you put it to practice. Have some self-reliance, we're not gonna be your life coach.

You have been given incredible knowledge never so articulated as is done here; that is power. This power automatically places the burden of responsibility on your shoulders. You no longer can use your single mother childhood, systemic school indoctrination, and media shaming as an excuse for your ways and failures. You now have nothing to blame but yourself.

If you cant handle that, this place isnt for you.

[–]Redpillwhiterabbit 37 points38 points  (0 children)

This sub is uncanny in its ability to take, word for fucking word, themes from my past or truths I came to realize through circumstances and present them as instructional literature.

Specifically, a member of my high school soccer team would always, of his own accord, yell "you gotta want it" any time energies got high.. I've been telling myself that every time something is difficult ever since... and here it fucking is plain as day.

Its deja vu while wide awake.

Idk how its done, But don't stop destroying any doubts my conditioning brings up that this is the path.

[–]dimmy666 16 points17 points  (5 children)

[–]MightyTaint 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The only time I want to breathe is when I don't have enough breath. I certainly hope I desire success even if I'm already successful.

[–]xeroblaze0 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is the shit that got me through school. Now I listen to a similar playlist at the gym. I may not be the most aggressive guy, and I don't want to be. But I know exactly why I'm doing what I'm doing at any moment.

[–]TheMGhandi 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's as IM has said in the past....Machiavellianism is the strategy, narcissism is the fuel, and psychopathy is the execution.

The problem is that society wreaks havoc on narcissism, leaving many underdeveloped or destructive. The key is to find a way to make it grow healthy, without being a slave to the ego. This is akin to travelling uncharted waters in the night. Did I pass my destination 40 miles ago or am I still not there yet? Either way, that waterfall I hear sounds uninviting.

Still, there are tonnes of "intellectual articles" about what narcissism is, yet seldom a way to find a balance. On IMs article in section 6 "How do I use the ego productively?" he touches on this topic briefly. Is cause and effect really the only way to develop a healthy ego? Or should we dissociate (quick-fix) and simply check the ego every now and then?

[–]laere 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is the first thing that I learned when I came to this sub. If you aren't happy with your life, IT'S YOUR FAULT!

At first it struck a nerve, and I didn't really understand why. I guess at that time my ego just couldn't handle the fact that I had to take charge of my life to make anything out of it. It isn't my parents fault, it isn't the girls that dumped me in the past, it is nothing buy MY FAULT that I was doing NOTHING TO CHANGE TO BETTER MYSELF AND MY LIFE.

Being a very open-minded person, I of course gave this sub a shot, and it started to strike some chords that I sort of felt were always true, but never cared to act on.

There are no excuses in life, and you really need to learn to take the reigns of your own life in order to lead it anywhere. It's tough at first, but work at it, and it get's better. If this sub didn't exist. I'd probably still be a fat slob jerking on my bitch tits to Bailey jay porn, and wondering when my check for 10 billion dollars would knock on my door.

Thank you for all the contributers here.

[–]ECoast_Man 3 points4 points  (2 children)

You've gotta want it. If you dont want it, no one can help you, you're just vicariously living through others that post, like a die hard sports fan.

This is an excellent point. I know I'm not alone when I say I have friends who when we get together want to hear about my sexual exploits. They have literally nothing to add to the table, unless getting "totally awesome" animated nudes of Princess fucking Bowser counts for something.

[–]MightyTaint 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If I had friends like that I would seriously consider if I was just wasting time being their friend.

[–]ECoast_Man 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That's true, but I personally enjoy having the largest social network possible. Dude, a bunch of these guys I've known for almost a decade. They're good people. I don't emulate them, and tell them to get out there in a covert way, but I have yet to see the upside to cutting off friends for beta-ness.

[–]McLarenX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most people don't even read the RP suggested books. All they do is respond to threads and act tough. They wont appreciate the knowledge here until tradgedy strikes.

[–]TheMGhandi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's as IM has said here....Machiavellianism is the strategy, narcissism is the fuel, and psychopathy is the execution.

The problem is that society wreaks havoc on narcissism, leaving many underdeveloped or destructive. The key is to find a way to make it grow healthy, without being a slave to the ego. This is akin to travelling uncharted waters in the night. Did I pass my destination 40 miles ago or am I still not there yet? Either way, that waterfall I hear sounds uninviting.

Still, there are tonnes of "intellectual articles" about what narcissism is, yet seldom a way to find a balance. Am I supposed to think I'm special and hope that I don't fall off a cliff? Okay, I totally get it. Compartmentalize it, but if done wrong it could lead to big problems.

We need further discussion on this.

[–]Boovs4life 0 points1 point  (3 children)

But how can i implement The Red Pill in my life as a teenager living with my parents that have completely different values? My dad thinks all women should be treated like a rose pedal and my mom says i gotta be in a LTR before i even consider sex and that i should consider marrying the first woman i have sex with. My parents are very overprotective and it's not like i can bring girls home whenever i want. I am working on myself though i started lifting and have been reading more books that will actually bring something to the table unlike the fiction books i used to read that literally have no benefit towards my life. I am also more confident and have stopped putting women on pedestals but i can't figure out how to keep growing in my redpill journey with my parents as the biggest obstacles.

[–]2rp_valiant 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Ingratiate yourself into the popular crowd (assuming you haven't already), go to house parties and fuck some girl in the bathroom. Unless you live in bumfuck nowhere like Utah, in which case keep working on yourself until you're old enough to go independent. I wish I'd found this site when I was a teenager, I would've spent the last 8 years becoming what Zyzz would call a "sick cunt" and just gone crazy.

[–]1sardinemanR 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is probably the real reason most men still go to college.

If you could find a decent job that let you move out without college, you'd be better off just doing that instead.

Also it has less to do with LTRing the first girl that has sex with you as opposed to the first guy the girl sleeps with. If she doesn't respect herself enough to demand an LTR while she is a virgin, you simply should not respect her enough to LTR her period.

[–]madrealworld 2 points3 points  (0 children)

trp is not just about fucking women, theres a whole bunch of shit you can and need to do to implement it in your life and better yourself..

[–]Modredpillschool 110 points111 points  (43 children)

It's worth noting that the feminine imperative has always been at work cultivating beta behaviors, even before feminism. Long ago our ancestors had the bright idea to keep women out of most positions of power and control because the destruction it would bring upon civilization. We had religion to control hypergamy, we had removed a woman's ability to survive or compete without fidelity to her husband. It rewarded the average beta-type men and made civilization go.

Once these controls were removed, female hypergamy ran rampant and continued to do what it always did- uninhibited.

But make no mistake, the pluralistic strategy of women has always been alpha fucks, beta bucks. Most men have always leaned beta.

I know that I leaned beta when I started on the red pill.

Thank god you can work on that.

Also, in before people start using alpha and beta as nouns. They're behavioral descriptors, not people.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 65 points66 points  (0 children)

We had religion to control hypergamy, we had removed a woman's ability to survive or compete without fidelity to her husband. It rewarded the average beta-type men and made civilization go.

This is a point I often have brought up in the past; society has to reward betas (with sex and things) because if it doesn't, society crumbles. If the betas don't have anything to work for, they drop their hard hats, shovels, and calculators, and go home to play video games and watch porn in mommy's basement (which is what we are seeing today with the concept of the Sexodous).

We often deride the concept of "beta" as though it is a bad thing. Well, in today's world of unfettered female hypergamy and feminine imperative society, it is; but it wasn't always that way. One doesn't need to look far back into history to see generation upon generation of young betas married off to promiscuity shamed females at a young age. Hell, my dad is beta as fuck, got married to my mother in 1978 (when they were both 19), and they are still married to this day.

To those of you reading this, recognize that this is why you have to change. Society is still training you to play the game as though it is still 1978. To put it in terms most of you can understand, you are still playing Super Mario whilst the women are playing PS4. And to sort of contradict /u/GayLubeOil a little here, yes, you can hit that unsubscribe button, you can go home, drop the dumbbells, you can blow cum all over your man tits, and forget anything and everything being taught here.

But as /u/Rollo-Tomassi, our omnipresent Rational Male often says, there is no exit to the sexual marketplace. It's like a big fucking Walmart with no exit doors. So you can either decide to remand the rest of your life to a pitiful, sexless, pointless existence, or you can change yourself into the pussy slayer that slays the pussy begging to be slain.

Remember, in the end, that is all today's modern, 20-something, attractive woman is looking for; a man who can entertain them socially and sexually, and a man they can show off to their girlfriends. They don't give a fuck about your beta traits until they are old enough to no longer be sexually desirable. At which point, you don't want them anyways.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 35 points36 points  (8 children)

we had religion to control hypergamy, we had removed a woman's ability to survive or compete without fidelity to her husband.

This all worked because it was essential for society and for the individual that it worked. The changes are not just feminism. Times were very different >50 years ago, specifically:

  • High death rate <5 yrs. Leading to large family size (Often 5-6 births per woman)
  • Large family maintenance costs (cooking, cleaning for 5 children and 2 adults without a washing machine, microwave oven, etc).
  • No welfare state

This leads to women aged 20 to 35 being a full time parent. No chance to build a career, most jobs being industrial and masculine anyway.

In this environment, marriage and responsibility for the wife in later life was necessary and in some ways a reasonably fair deal. Men were responsible for the family income and were respected as such.

Fast forward to present day and women don't need men (welfare state, don't need as many kids, endless beta provider options) and hence men are now treated as fourth class citizens (after women, children and cats), both in terms of respect and legally.

And it's too late to fight back. But we can at least fucking wise up, and for the love of god, don't get married.

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Indeed.

It's ironic... Women's Liberation is credited to all the "brave" women of the late 1960's. Really, they should be thanking the guy who invented the washing machine.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Really, they should be thanking the guy who invented the washing machine.

Washing machine, microwave oven, baby incubator, the pill, modern medicine, and a million machines and devices that made our modern world what it is. Mostly invented by men while women raised families.

And that used to be a fair(ish) deal for all. But now we're expected to be eternally grateful for her being an Indipindint Wimminz which as you say, owes everything to mostly male invented technology.

[–]ItsYourHandInMine 17 points18 points  (4 children)

From what I see it's lower class women who still have a lot of beta provider options.

Educated women are finding similar men hard to find, and a growing number of men are completely against marriage. With the ubiquity of the Internet, it's easier for young men to see how costly divorce can be.

Women are also realising than being a career woman isn't so great. Women's happiness has been in decline, and men's is steady. This decade was the first where men are more happy than women. In addition, the welfare state is being squeezed across the west, so less money for welfare queens.

[–]noobforlife 7 points7 points [recovered]

From what I see it's lower class women who still have a lot of beta provider options.

Richer and more educated people have lower divorce rates, the social degradation has hit poorer people the hardest.

[–]Hoodwink 6 points6 points [recovered]

I've noticed a difference between the immigrant poor and the American poor.

The immigrant poor still value beta (at first glance) as long as they're not hood. Being alpha still applies, I'm sure. But, they understand poverty and nothing - it's close. It's not some upper-class feminist deriding patriarchy (as a psychological mirror to her Daddy) as all powerful.

[–]noobforlife 2 points2 points [recovered]

Excellent distinction and one very relevant for me as I am an immigrant and my family was very poor when we first came. My father established his own successful business that I eventually plan on taking over after I gain more experience (engineering firm).

Why do you think that native poor have a harder time of marraige?

[–]slay_it_forward 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Men need to check out from this bullshit society. There is no incentive to contribute anymore. Lets see women carry load. That's what they've asked for.

Why pay these heavy taxes to support a system that provides 80% of men no benefit.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (11 children)

Thank god you can work on that.

I know right. You can be a short, bald dude and work really fucking hard and improve your smv. Women are more born with it. If you're an ugly girl there's not much you can do.

Men have it hard and no one cares. We can hit the fucking rocks because there's no safety net. A down and out man is useless. But we can also hit higher highs and we have more time to figure it out, make mistakes. Being a man is really the shit once you get your act together.

[–]holytrpbatman 5 points6 points  (7 children)

Even ugly girls get dicked plenty often...

[–]noobforlife 20 points20 points [recovered]

It's not about the dicking that girls want, it's the feelings and commitment (time and energy). Your statement is how a man thinks, it's the same thing when we complain women don't bother to learn what men want and think. It's because they fail to think like a man, just as you are failing to think like a girl, so you fail to see why an ugly girl getting dicked isn't really getting what she wants (security).

[–]holytrpbatman -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

You are over-analyzing my statement. ALL girls are looking for that security, and even ugly girls get laid a lot in the quest for her personal, lifelong security blanket.

I don't need to think like a girl to understand how they think. Maybe you do, so feel free to waste your time in an empathetic attempt at understanding something that will elude you forever. Unless you're a female attempting to appear as a male, in this sub- then your "you must empathize with teh femalez" interjection makes sense.

[–]noobforlife 1 points1 points [recovered]

I don't need to think like a girl to understand how they think. Maybe you do, so feel free to waste your time in an empathetic attempt at understanding something that will elude you forever.

The ability to think like your enemy and empathize is very useful. I have often used my ability to empathize with my enemies to my advantage.

Unless you're a female attempting to appear as a male, in this sub- then your "you must empathize with teh femalez" interjection makes sense.

You are confusing empathize with sympathize. I do not and have never seen women as anything but adversaries when it comes to the sexual marketplace due to the fact that male/female sexual goals are diametrically opposed. However it would be foolish to think that it does not confer a strategic advantage to be able to empathize and think like your enemy:

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

[–]holytrpbatman 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Viewing women as the enemy... Interesting. I view them as human beings with different chemical processes. A challenge to be met and overcome.

[–]noobforlife 1 points1 points [recovered]

Girls trying to betatize you is adversarial and is something to be resisted. The enemy statement is an analogy, of course I do not think that all women are my enemy, but modelling some of the dynamic in that way can be useful.

[–]holytrpbatman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Girls only succeed in the make a beta game if you let them. I see where you are coming from, though.

Personally, I don't fight the facts: water is wet, the sky is blue, girls are girls. Knowing the behaviour is far more useful than fighting it, or trying in vain to change it. Accept the game for what it is. Use what you know to your advantage.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I had a good friend who was a tall fat ugly girl with thin blond hair that would only grow as long as her shoulders. She had a beak of a nose and beady little eyes. She was hilarious though and an awesome person, the life of the party. The only guys she could get were total loser douchebags that treated her like shit and she was lonely for something real. But yes, she got laid. I felt sorry for her though because it was always pump n dump, no guy would commit to someone who looks like her even though she had a great personality.

[–]darkrood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Plastic surgery? that helps both male and female

[–]ProspectiveQuant -1 points0 points  (1 child)

How can men hit higher highs?

Seems like women are just as capable of becoming billionaires as men:

http://www.investopedia.com/slide-show/female_billionaries/

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's easier for a man to become self-realized, completely self-sufficient and to know true inner peace.

[–]dysphoriangrey 1 point2 points  (2 children)

"the pluralistic strategy of women has always been alpha fucks, beta bucks" - This is actually noted throughout the animal kingdom, specifically in birds. There are numerous species of birds that appear to be monogamous but if observed carefully while the male (beta) is getting food and caring for the eggs the female had previously bred with an alpha unbeknownst to the beta. So you see, she gets the anxious over compensating producer and the greater genes of the alpha. It is inherent I think in most females somewhere in a majority of species. This can and will happen to you too. Do not pay for nor raise another man's children. A recent study indicated that 1 in 3 children are not sired by the man they were attributed to in the United States. Those are lousy odds, that means if you have 3 kids one probably isn't yours. Could be more, maybe all if your neighbor's wife is honest...

[–]LibertarianLibertine 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Got a source? I thought it wss something like 3%. Huge difference

[–]dysphoriangrey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No actually, my info is actually speculation. Scientific speculation but still only just that. Apologies for the sensationalistic nature of that.

[–]1surfclimb -5 points-4 points  (14 children)

A cursury glance at history will show most of that to be patently false. Ancient civilizations were very sexually liberated, even by today's standards. Greeks and Romans had massive orgies all the time. The Romans found out a certain mixture of herbs prevented pregnancy. They fucked so much the herbs went extinct. The nuclear family and conservative values preached here are, contextually speaking, newer ideas based in religion.

[–]Modredpillschool 19 points20 points  (6 children)

A cursury glance at history will show most of that to be patently false.

Let's just use our minds for a second. I didn't imply that our control on hypergamy has been the case since the beginning of time. In fact, if you read my writings over the years, I've used Rome as a great parallel to our own civilization today as what happens when we unleash hypergamy (and what causes it to be unleashed).

So a cursory glance of history will show that in fact, the feminine imperative has always cultivated beta behaviors. We know that two thirds of men never had kids, so beta-leaning men have always existed as a majority of men.

And our ancestors did use religion to curb hypergamy.

So, patently true. Don't be a prick.

[–]surfclimb 8 points8 points [recovered]

I'm not trying to be a prick. I disagree with some of what you said based on what I learned. Factors for Rome's collapse had pretty much nothing to do with hypergamy. Debased currency, underpaid soldiers as the empire splintered into quarreling states, the legions not crushing the Huns and Visigoths when they had the chance, and inability to mobilize effectively due to political squabbling.

I agree hypergamy sucks and promoting shitty behavior debases interactions with women, but blaming them for the collapse of ancient cultures isn't correct.

[–]Modredpillschool 6 points7 points  (2 children)

but blaming them for the collapse of ancient cultures isn't correct.

You came out swinging, son, but you didn't stop long enough to see what you're arguing about. This is twice you've invented an argument for me and tried to debunk it.

It's time to settle down and think before you click that little save button. Let's see you take a different tone.

[–]surfclimb 4 points4 points [recovered]

Where were you going with the Rome parallel then? Most ancient cultures in the Mediterranean were very lax about social controls regarding hypergamy. Crete was famous for being a utopian society where men and women were viewed as equals. High class Greek prostitutes's opinions were well regarded in Athenian society. I said religion as a tool of control for hypergamy is a more recent phenomenon. It was more of a way to secure trade goods and wealth in exchange for young fertile women at first. Hence my original point. I've read a lot of what you write and enjoy it

[–]Modredpillschool -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Where were you going with the Rome parallel then?

In this conversation, I wasn't.

[–]pstar1000 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Regardless of the content of this conversation, men don't use a demeaning tone of voice to defend their argument.

Besides surf climb is right that you are assigning cause and effect a little to generously and genreally to be strictly correct.

[–]Modredpillschool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

men don't use a demeaning tone of voice to defend their argument

They certainly shouldn't. I encourage you to reread the thread.

Besides surf climb is right that you are assigning cause and effect a little to generously and genreally to be strictly correct.

Neither of you have done anything but refute a claim I never made.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 6 points7 points  (2 children)

A cursory glance at anything is hardly evidence to state something is "patently false". Bit of hyperbole there, methinks. I believe that /u/redpillschool has a reasonable point, even if you think otherwise.

I'm just gonna leave this here: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/12/27/feminism-responsible-for-the-fall-of-rome/

[–]surfclimb 5 points5 points [recovered]

I understand the point being made, but blaming feminism for the fall of Rome ignores the far larger contributors that really hung them out to dry. Here's an article that touches on some of the bigger points for those interested http://www.history.com/news/history-lists/8-reasons-why-rome-fell

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Sometimes we blame the symptoms, rather than the underlying disease. Make no mistake, ancient civilizations during their descent and fall were ruptured by internal weakness, as much as any external threat. A big part of that internal weakness was the deterioration of the social fabric the society was originally built upon.

[–]bluedrygrass 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Romans found out a certain mixture of herbs prevented pregnancy. They fucked so much the herbs went extinct.

This is more or less a myth. And the dissoluted behaviour has been proven to be one of the main causes to Roman empire's fall.

Also most of those "ancients were pervs" chants are started and spread by agenda-driven historicians. In general, past civilization were chaster than our one.

[–]PlanB_pedofile 0 points1 point  (0 children)

newer ideas based in religion.

Abrahamic religion typically. The middle east was a strong patriarch society built upon great men.

[–]bluedrygrass -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The Romans found out a certain mixture of herbs prevented pregnancy. They fucked so much the herbs went extinct.

This is more or less a myth. And the dissoluted behaviour has been proven to be one of the main causes to Roman empire's fall.

Also most of those "ancients were pervs" chants are started and spread by agenda-driven historicians. In general, past civilization were chaster than our one.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (2 children)

Man, I remember being a fairly new TRP subscriber and reading that EMSK post. At the time I thought he made some good points, but now when I re-read it, I realize that I was wrong and he is a fucking idiot.

It's been a year since that post, and a year of applying TRP principles to my life. A year of consistent lifting, improving my game, my attitude and having easily the best year of my life.

Imagine If I had taken that guys shitty advice? "You should opt out of the red pill because DURRR". Perhaps I would have unsubscribed from TRP and slowly floated back to blue pill land. Fuck that. Reality is a cold hard sidewalk, now get to work.

I just found this point by point takedown of the EMSK post where a TRP member pretty much hits the nail on the head - http://pastebin.com/cWjAPYYm - The top response to his critique was that he sounds like an arrogant psychopath. Of course no one attempted to refute a single point he made.

[–]Uptonogood 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah, sure. Opt out of sexual strategy, but be damn sure your potential or current partners wont.

Why would you purposely choose to handicap yourself? Morals? Sexual strategy is amoral, people need to get that through their heads.

[–]holytrpbatman 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I just read it and all I could think is wow, dude has an Olympic runner for his hamster

[–]Hippo_Kankles 20 points21 points  (7 children)

Fuck you and thank you at the same time. I am a beta, and the only place you'll hear it this blatantly is online. My wife is currently at a bar right now, probably chatting it up with all the chads, while im at home sweating my dick off being a fedora tipping beta faggot online. Killing myself would give that bitch all the validation in the world, but you know what, fuck that noise. Today is the motherfucking day, september 10th, the day i realised. Fuck it all, just fuck it, time for a change. *venting...

[–]jeezydasnowman 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Tell her u want a divorce. Tonight.

[–]VictorEremitaK 3 points4 points  (2 children)

A divorce should not be an impulse decision.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He should at least plan thongs out, finding a good divorce lawyer can take its time too.

[–]jeezydasnowman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This ain't impulsive though she's going to the bar while he sits with his child at home!!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Consider ditching her.

If she cheats on you, dump her ASAP.

Also read the sidebar if you haven't already.

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[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (6 children)

See? This is what we need more of around here.

People constructively disagreeing with the "circlejerk".

[–]ECoast_Man 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I completely disagree with this.

The most common circlejerk I see here is young millennials posting shit about some cheating slut over at r relationships.

This post is telling you to get off your ginger ass and make something of yourself. The enemy isn't women, it's you. That's hardly a circlejerk.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (3 children)

The circlejerk I mean is the "Fuck empathy, that´s for betas and white knights" circlejerk.

All these wannabe dark triade psychopaths are starting to get really cringeworthy (The ones from the east coast are the worst).

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Western culture doesn't understand happiness very well.

Many people seem to think that if you somehow read enough books and listen to enough motivational speakers, then you'll find and flip your "happiness/self-acceptance" switch. Doing so will then make you happy 24/7 for the rest of your life, even if you spend that life largely sitting on the couch.

That's of course nonsense. You have continually put in actual work to become and stay happy. You won't be proud of yourself if there's nothing to be proud about. And even if you put in the work, you won't be happy all the time. It's normal to be sad occasionally.

However, TRP sometimes errs on the other extreme by saying that happiness is a female/beta emotion and that alphas should only strive for brief moments of pleasure (sex, crushing others, etc). That's also false. Doing, for instance, charity work on the side would be frowned upon by many TRP members, yet it quite possibly could contribute more to your happiness than having one more plate.

[–]Redasshole -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I went this way. Gave up on empathy and everything. After some time, I couldn't feel any emotions any more. My life was clean, ordered and I was taking no shit from anyone but I wasn't feeling anything anymore. As I began treating people as ways, as tools to get what I wanted, life became dull and empty. I couldn't relate to them anymore, I couldn't care about them anymore.

I think people who were used to be on to the left extreme side of the spectrum (being an overly empathetic beta who spills his guts out and acts as an emotional tampon) can benefit from going to the other side of the spectrum and become a heartless, cold psychopath who don't give a shit about people. It's the right way to find the correct middle. But I would rather die of suffocation than give up on my emotional health to get pussy. Because, yes, emotions are not bad. Too many people think emotion=bad because women act on them. The key thing to understand is that they always act on them no matter what. It's the fact that people act on them even when reason and logic states otherwise that is bad.

[–]stellarMan24 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I see what you're saying. While I do agree with the OP for the most part of his post, that particular comment was in poor taste. Empathy and "seeing the deal from the other side" are the most important parts of being a good salesman. Those aren't my words, but from a very successful salesman I know personally.

However, there is no reason to bash the man's path. That doesn't do anything for you nor him, it only brings resentment. Plenty of men have become very successful with clothing lines.

If this type of marketing works for him, good for him. A lot of people complain about it, but why? He's offering value by writing an essay for you to read for free. For him, that shit ain't free. Time is money. He doesn't say "buy a t-shirt to read this post". He doesn't even ask you to buy a t-shirt.

GayLubeOil: You must realize though that anyone wearing one of your t-shirts is outing themselves as a "red piller". Any of us that care about our red pill anonymity (probably 98% of users here) won't buy one if your t-shirts. Not necessarily good or bad, but I did want to mention that as you do seem to care about getting these t-shirts out there.

[–]rundownweather 3 points4 points  (0 children)

To be fair, anyone that wears le redpill shirt in public deserves all the scorn they can get. It's like those kids that wear fedoras and shirts with memes on them. It's cringy because they seek validation in a very blatant way (OH COOL MEME SHIRT JIMMY) and it shows. In this particular case I feel the shirts are targeted to the beta wannabe crowd, people who don't lift and aren't taking self-improvement seriously and want to take the shortcut to alfaness, so they spend money instead.

Gaylubeoil is right in wanting to capitalize on suckers (and why wouldn't he be? It's basically free money). The blame lies on the buyer.

EDIT: missing pronoun.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

He's offering value by writing an essay for you to read for free. For him, that shit ain't free. Time is money.

Based on the amount of time GLO has spent writing and thinking about submissions and comments for TRP I would guess that selling a few shirts brings his compensation to just about minimum wage.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Dude, Stop taking everything said here literally,especially by /u/GayLubeOil. These are ideas not strict rules. Do seriously think GLO runs around fucking others wives and take things from others?? Taking everything literally/seriously without thinking is a blue pill trait even if you take redpill advice.

[–]hooplaog 10 points10 points [recovered]

Preaching incoherent false ideologies to men who already are or are trying to become red pill is blue pill traits. What good does preaching false truths do? Absolutely nothing but brain wash and distort logical thinking. You know what types of people usually say stuff that doesn't make sense? Feminists and women who have a mininum education of a High School Graduate/diploma. Getting told shit that isn't 100% true gets old real quick...

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I think you need this this red colored medicine.

on_reading_comprehension_and_literal

trees

generalizations_and_truth

Search all these posts and read it. Damned bot is not allowing me to post links.

[–]ubercoolhipsterguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This kind of a life does NOT take motivation. It takes DISCIPLINE. And not the kind of discipline that gets you a t-shirt company

Need more masculine advice like this for those of us raised by fat single moms who told us that all we had to do is really really want it because they got everything they wanted simply by asking for it from the government

Modern society is on a feel-good self esteem motivational circlejerk because that's how the Baby Boomers raised their kids and so we have millions of 20-somethings upset at their lack of accomplishments because garbage in garbage out; people are following a recepie of success that's faulty and deceptive

[–]McLarenX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, you are 100% right. Empathy should be controlled, not removed from your life. It's perfectly natural to feel empathy for children, small animals, and your SO (in a controlled manner). Too many MRA have infected this sub and try to convince us to be soulless woman haters. That is a draining and regrettable lifestyle.

[–]RPmatrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

discipline could be called 'devout action' and any conscious action takes motivation ... but thanks for the first two paras co that's a good point, but as old mate below says, stop taking GLO literally although IMO GLO should know better than say such things, and IF he truly has that nature, he's not my 'bro' then

this world need more 'selfless' than 'selfish' ... True alphas don''t need to 'take', it's offered.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 199 points200 points  (57 children)

I'd add to this point by noting that men don't lean beta because they're taught beta, or because of the shit food they eat. Or I guess I should say they don't lean beta just because of that.

Men avoid masculinity because it's easier.

The only way a boy grows up to become a masculine man is if his father and his community fucking forces him to do so. Kick his ass. When bullies pound him in school, teach him boxing, not self-esteem. Make him play football and shoot guns, and if he falls short, call him a faggot and make sure he knows he'll never touch pussy. Boys used to do this to each other. Their fathers and grandfathers used to push them mercilessly. Society (even girls) shunned and laughed at the losers, pushing them to be better. Man culture used to help turn boys into men. Because it had to. If the community didn't force boys to become men, they wouldn't, because remaining non-masculine is just plain easier.

So when modern, feminized society tells boys that it's outdated to be masculine, and that they should just stay the course as feminized losers, because masculine gender roles are evil and oppressive, and they're actually better and different and special if they cast those off and stay feminized -- that's music to a loser-man's ears.

Because now he has society's backing as he takes the easy route.

The Red Pill definitely isn't for everybody. Maybe 10% of the guys around here will make positive changes in their lives. The other 90% will use their internet hobby as yet another diversion, like porn or alcohol, or use it as an outlet for their aggression as they shit on and blame women and complain about how it's all women's/society's fault that they never learned manliness.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 33 points34 points  (5 children)

Life was made for the bold.

It is unfortunate that too many men lack the boldness that is required to truly live. But we can only show them the path ... the rest is up to them.

[–]SPICY_BUTT_MILK 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Life was made for the bold.

And all of the rest of nature shows us this.

[–]StManTiS 1 point2 points  (2 children)

If you listen to society the path is to get surgery and change your name to Kylie. It never ceases to amaze me that some men think its okay to cut off your balls and quit.

[–]1Dark-Ulfberht 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's especially depressing when a most impressive, capable, and masculine man succumbs to this, as is the case with Jenner.

In a way, Jenner is a perfect analogy for America itself: a mighty Titan brought low not by defeat but by its own confusion and self-loathing.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (5 children)

It's an uphill battle when you were raised by a single feminist mother in a leftist environment.

I'm starting from scratch at 32 years of age.

[–]prodigyx 35 points36 points  (4 children)

don't make excuses

make gains

[–]razorwan 120 points121 points  (26 children)

call him a faggot and make sure he knows he'll never touch pussy

Yeah-- no-- this is just terrible parenting. I get the point you're driving at, but you can rear a boy the right way without being abusive. Crossing the fine line means that you not only become the villain in every scenario, but that you will fuck up your kid in ways you don't understand.

[–]kellykebab 101 points102 points  (18 children)

Seriously. It is possible to virtually break a person and produce the opposite result you were going for.

I don't know why it's so hard for some RPers to conceive of an alpha who is tough but fair. It's a delicate balance, but guys who truly lead without abusing do exist.

It's not just wolf vs. sheep. You also have the shepherd.

[–]systemshock869 64 points64 points [recovered]

Most guys have never had a true masculine role model in their actual lives.

[–]kellykebab 28 points29 points  (5 children)

This is quite obviously the root of the problem. Look at the male heroes of today: they're all villains.

Culturally, we don't trust men. We assume they're crooks and reward them when they are, because at least that keeps their villainy out in the open.

I see it in guys I work with and am friends with. They're distrustful of authority on the one hand, but tend to be drawn to unpredictable, dominating male leaders on the other.

My own dad was a weird mix of wounded beta, dominating/neglectful alpha, and traditional hard-working, tough alpha. In some ways, I probably got off easy, but I too struggle with how to best reproduce solid male authority in my own life and how to seek out good mentors for advice. The bonds between men in general have frayed, sadly. I don't think OP is helping much in that department.

Realistically, I think we have to blame economic forces at least as much as we blame social justice movements for pulling the rug out from under strong, just, male leaders. Men are becoming obsolete and they're killing themselves to grab one final piece of the pie to avoid facing reality.

[–]RPmatrix 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Realistically, I think we have to blame economic forces at least as much as we blame social justice movements for pulling the rug out from under strong, just, male leaders. Men are becoming obsolete and they're killing themselves to grab one final piece of the pie to avoid facing reality.

Great point, well put, I couldn't agree more, in fact I think it's the businesses of this world which have 'betafied' men more than anything! My BIL is a CEO of a major bank and a beta pussy! Great guy, 6'5" getting chubby still beta as fuck and so are his sons! My sister made sure of that!

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[–]RPmatrix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

CONTROL ..... over you and themselves!

what most women desire

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I don't want to oversimplify, but I think the heavy amount of sedentariness and administrative/bureaucratic type bullshit that many jobs consist of does not lend itself to virile masculinity. I doubt having an increasingly coed workforce helps either.

I'd really like to see young men take Red Pill lessons into the workforce and produce companies and systems that reward a more manly way of behaving, although I'm only cautiously optimistic that this is even possible.

[–]brainsack 15 points16 points  (6 children)

Kick his ass and make him better, but totally deeming a child and calling them faggots when they fail and not praising them for putting in the hard work is counter productive sometimes.

I know its a movie, but after a hard days training, we dont see the spartan father call the kid a little faggot for not being able to stand toe to toe with him

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

don't "kick his ass". Kicking his ass shows you're an emotional mangina with no control over your life and have no control over your child and you're proving to him that he has no respect for you. It's as if it's the only way he will listen. You're putting this in his mind. Earn respect, and he'll comply. Child abuse has also shown to lower a child's intellect. Can provide sources if you ask. Now don't take a copout and call me "BP" or some shit, no where on TRP is child abuse advocated. A true man should be powerful, rational, and respected enough to get shit done without investing in a stick and swinging his arms. That's "frustrated beta" to a T. Most abusive parents are failures who fucked up their lives and have hopes of their children doing this and that as if it will make up for their failures. Then they lose their shit and get abusive. They put all their eggs in one basket and can't act rationally.

[–]brainsack 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I didn't mean to imply child abuse, or literally kicking his ass. What I meant by that was don't go easy, push him with studies and sports. Encourage 100% effort and not quitting when it gets hard.

I would never encourage training your child to be a man by physically kicking his ass regularly and I would hope no one here has that mentality.

[–]kellykebab 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Right you are. Have not seen that movie. Which is it?

It's a bit corny, but I often draw fathering lessons from Andy Griffith, early in the series when he still had credibility with the town and his family. He practiced a pretty excellent blend of holding his son to reasonable standards, but also coaching him through failures (of both character and ability).

I also think more RPers would be better served by sports and team activities besides just lifting.

[–]brainsack 3 points4 points  (1 child)

its 300, sensationalized spartan history/battle movie

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's what I figured. I know it's a spectacle, but adding to my list.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Shepherds who lead their own life without abuse are the ideal ones to discipline the herd. Shepherds who have the best intentions for leading cannot truly know the best way if they are self-destructive to themselves. I think this is where most RP "guides" go wrong. And where one looking for guidance can go right. Understand a man, his self-talk, and what he has sown in his own life before following his instruction on what seeds to plant.

Source: first-hand experience following alphas who are great in many contexts, but downright losers in others (financial, healthy decisions for their bodies, etc.).

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Excellent thoughts. Thanks. I will keep this in mind.

[–]General_Beauregard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a very important point made by Robert Glover in No More Mr. Nice Guy. For anyone that hasn't read it, I highly recommend it.

[–]Glennus626 11 points12 points  (1 child)

[–]razorwan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That was hilarious, thanks for sharing :)

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 36 points37 points  (0 children)

I blurred the specific roles of the community and that of parents in that paragraph. Mostly because the specific examples weren't important to the general point.

Obviously, dads shouldn't belittle their sons, but boys on the football field should be regularly calling the pussies out rather than getting expelled for hurting another boy's self esteem. Society as a whole should be making men who aren't men feel like losers. It already does this, actually, but then out the other side of its mouth, society spits out bullshit about how it's okay and super-duper to be true to your shitty loser self.

So we have this system where guys are verbally encouraged to be feminized losers. But all the girls date and fuck real men, all the bosses hire and promote real men, parents are proud of real men, but we all verbally encourage pussy-ass loser men to keep being pussy-ass losers and not to worry about all those "unfair, toxic standards" we keep rewarding.

[–]SoSaltyDoe 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I gotta agree. Say what you will about it, but the days of that style of parenting are just over, man. A lot of that hard-line parenting was effective because it was the norm. When your kid goes to school and realizes that literally no other kid is getting shit on like that, it's not going to do a whole lot in teaching him how to be a man. There are ways to teach a boy about the harshness of the world without beating him over the head with it.

[–]3NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've been thinking hard about what the appropriate response is to a young man's failure.

I think it's Socratic questioning. It should go something like this (here's a hyper-idealized sort of example):

"What happened?"

"We lost the game."

"Why?"

"We sucked."

"Why do you think that is?"

"We didn't train hard enough."

"That's interesting. Why is that?"

"I don't know."

"How come the other team trained harder?"

"Maybe they wanted to win more."

"What's the difference between you and them?"

You see how it can go. The goal is to get the young man to see for himself what's going on, and what he ought to do. Just ask the right questions. It's possible to guide a person down a path of responsibility and ownership without insulting them. And the best part is, if he personally says that he wants something, you can then encourage him and hold him accountable to THAT. As a father, you're helping him get what HE wants, not making him do what YOU want.

[–]rpthrowaway4 8 points9 points  (0 children)

A lot of parenting is like loading the squat bar for someone else; too heavy and you break them, too light and they never grow. Most people I interact with have never had to lift anything heavy in their lives...

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I disagree. I was raised in an Eastern European household where I was raised/disciplined this way and I am extremely close with my father. It's all about balance and being reasonable.

[–]holytrpbatman 9 points10 points  (0 children)

All members of the human race are inherently lazy- pre wired to find ways to do as little as possible. The imperative being the conservation of energy, as 200,000 years ago food was nowhere near as plentiful. So doing as little as physically possible was an energy conservation mechanism.

In today's dystopian totality, we are all told we are so much more advanced as the species. But that's a myth. The only difference between us from 200k years ago and today is the quantity and quality of our toys. We are still pretty much the same animal we have always been, we just dress nicer for the most part.

Every human will struggle with this genetic laziness, few will overcome it.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

If you treat your kid like he's worthless he will fucking believe it.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you don't, society will, and society isn't invested or biased toward wanting your kid to succeed.

Your job as a parent isn't to coddle your kid, nurture his self-esteem, and teach him that he's wonderful and loved no matter what and he's a special snowflake just for being himself. Your job is to turn your kid into a successful grown-up. If he gets older and isn't prepared to be a successful grown-up, you fucked up. As he grows up and society beats the hell out of him because you never prepared him properly, it's easy to blame society, but you're the one who fucked up.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yup. I was going to post this very thing. Too true.

[–]40_SixandTwo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It reminds me, when I was younger and in Boy Scouts, before the BSA became the feminized hell hole that it is today. Everytime new scouts came into the troop, the older kids would kick the new kids asses, drag them out of their beds at night and leave them out of in random spots.

We'd always pick a different new guy every day, and have an hour for everyone to kick his ass, we called it "Smear The Queer."

I remember when I was new in the troop and after a few times of this on me, I started to fight back, and finally when I did, the older guys pulled me aside and explained to me the goal is to get the kids who don't stand up for themselves to quit, and the ones who will stand up for themselves to stay.

A sword is forged in fire.

[–]HermanRerserces 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Society (even girls) shunned and laughed at the losers, pushing them to be better. Man culture used to help turn boys into men.

China's massive economic boom from ~1980-2000 is said by some to be caused by way too many boys and too few girls. The intense competition fueled growth.

Here in the west (as you all know) the few top dogs have harems. My uni campus has a 8-1 girl/guy ratio and guess what? A ton of dudes I've met complain about not getting any. They feel entitled to HB8 pussy because they're nice guys who 1) never approach, 2) stay inside their shitty apartments playing NHL on Xbox while smoking bowl after bowl, 3) never participate in social events, 4) don't give a damn about their physique or health.

I really feel bad for these dudes. So much potential squandered.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think the "easier" part is under-appreciated in this argument. Discipline, self-control and not going with society's flow, is hard. It really is.

  • I've had countless friends talk to me about how they want to lift weights like me, I give them a prescriptive, easy, program, and nobody shows up.
  • Everybody I meets talks about the business they've always wanted to start, but don't have the time. I did it and you fucking can do. Just do it outside of work. It's much easier to watch Netflix or go out.
  • No one wants to seem like they're not fitting in.

[–]VanillaVeku 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I agree with this expect for the calling him a faggot part. There is a fine line between discipline and abuse. A parent who doesn't understand this is someone who should not be a parent.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Getting shit on by the big kids growing up is practically a right of passage. Boys in the way to becoming men don't worry about stupid shit like homophobia or other guys' self esteem.

[–]_the_shape_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Make him play football and shoot guns, and if he falls short, call him a faggot and make sure he knows he'll never touch pussy.

To be perfectly honest, I support this more for its comedic value than its value in cultivating masculinity. Good advice, either way

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ehem. Instead, why don't we just teach them to spend the majority of their time doing things that are skill-based and yield economic and/or social benefits.

[–]Pornography_saves_li 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Knowledge is power. How one uses it is inconsequential.

[–]McLarenX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People would do well to remember the lessons Darwin taught us.

[–]Entrefut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TL;DR Suffer, because you never have.

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[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You're being a little selective in your interpretation of TRP. TRP is an amazing body of information, and it's impressively large, given its relatively young age. There is, quite literally, a huge pile of information at your fingertips, much of which goes against your nature over nurture summary.

My comment above specifically states that the way to make masculinity happen is to force young boys to turn into men. That it's the job of fathers, grandfathers, and the community as a whole to push boys toward manhood. That's nurture, not nature. Left to their own natures, boys sit around and jerk off, eat shit, and do as little work as possible not to starve to death.

The entire thrust of The Red Pill is men, in a feminized world, overcoming their natures by doing hard work and improving themselves. Becoming manly, confident, strong, social, aggressive, powerful -- in many cases, artificially so. Most of us aren't natural badasses. We're losers who did the work to become less loser-ish. Left to our own natures, we'd still be losers.

[–]HappyHerpes 5 points6 points  (2 children)

this post has a lot of shit in it.

Tell me to unsubscribe all you want. I come here because there are posts here (often) that talk truth about women and man/women relations that are is hard to come by. Your post is not one of them.

All men are betas

You are doing to the word beta what feminist are doing to the word "rape". You use it to mean whatever the fuck you want. Top 10% are alpha, then beta, gamma or whatever. We can't all be alpha, but we also can't all be beta either. It's relative. The word you are looking for is masculine.

Red pill is truth. Different persons have different ways of dealing with it. You realize how much you can be gain by hurting others. Abuse the broken game. I realize how others can hurt me and take countermeasures. Fix the broken game.

your whole post is aimed to wake insecurities and try to get some sales.

Get out, please.

[–]thefinn12345 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's no real reasoning with them, if they were all that alpha, they'd end up in prison.

Fucking is only 1 sign of alpha mentality... ("I got laid using PUA game therefore I am alpha", is pretty poor really).

Can always introduce these guys to some, they'll take you out to the Aussie bush and put you in the ground with a sawnoff while some of the guys gangbang your latest pickup - but you'd get to meet them.

hubris - it effects everyone at some point.

[–]2alisonstone 12 points13 points  (6 children)

The sad uncomfortable truth is that most betas will be likely be betas forever, no matter how much red pill they swallow. Let's take a subtopic of being alpha, which is making money. Warren Buffett talked extensively about why very few people succeed in investing even though he is very open about his methodology. Some people are just not wired for it. If you go to Vegas, you can see a lot of pretty "smart" and educated people gambling (ex: engineers, bankers, lawyers, etc). For whatever reason, they find simple games of chance fun when they bet money on it. For example, why do so many people find roulette fun at the casino? It's a game so simple that it would probably bore a child (betting on red or black, yawn), but it becomes exciting and fun when they have negative expected return from it. If you have this type of programming in you, you are probably never going to be rich, because over a 10, 20, or 30 year time period, you will probably fuck up somewhere and lose your money no matter how much you make. On the other hand, some guy who is dumb, but knows that he is dumb, may choose to just invest all his money with Warren Buffett and become pretty wealthy. It doesn't seem to be something that can be unlearned and unprogrammed once you have it (or at least, it very rarely happens).

So you think that a beta reading about red pill would solve his problems. The vast majority of the time, probably 90%+, it won't. It's like teaching people probability, but they still feel excited by gambling even though they understand the math. If Warren Buffett tells these people that he would manage their money for them, and that they will have $2M in five years, $10M in ten years, ... most of them won't do it (or they will do it at first and then take all the money back a few months later to day trade bitcoin or gold). It is more important to these people, who make up the majority of the population, to satisfy that urge than to become rich.

You have people with all types of bizarre programming that will prevent them from being successful. For example, for some guys, nothing makes their dicks harder than watching a woman get fucked by large black men. It's a popular genre of pornography. I have no idea why these guys have this type of programming in them, particularly if they are not black. They probably didn't choose to be like that any more than gay people choose to be gay. But if you have this in you, I'm not sure if you can actually get rid of it by the time you become a fully grown adult. It's not good for relationships.

The way many things work in life is that doing the right thing only moves you forward inches, but doing the wrong thing will set you back by miles. You can save and invest your money perfectly and make millions, only to lose it all on one dumb gamble. It's exceedingly common, and it is why most people who win the lottery end up far worse off within a few years. You can spend years building up a superstar reputation only to lose it all in 5 minutes. There are a lot of examples of catastrophic setbacks that can set you back forever, such as getting a criminal record, getting divorced, unplanned pregnancy, large financial loss, etc. Successful men can move forward indefinitely without doing that one stupid thing and falling off the wagon because they don't have that urge.

If you have any type of programming in you that makes you enjoy or need to participate in gambling, illegal activity, taboo sexual activity, violence, excessive risk taking, drug use, etc, then you are probably not very successful now and if you somehow become successful (ex: like lottery ticket winners) you are probably going to fuck it up. One of the things that is repeated here is "All Women Are Like That", because most women have certain programming in them that they can try to fight, but it is generally futile. The same is true for men. People who are not successful, probably have some type of programming in them that cause them to not be successful, and will always prevent them from succeeding in the future. It's not a matter of intellect or education. Reading about investing and getting rich rarely makes someone wealthier. Reading about fitness rarely makes someone healthier or fitter. Reading and memorizing red pill rarely makes someone alpha.

[–]nicechallenge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree you can spend your entire life wishing to become rich and reading every book on investing, business, finance, etc But it won't do shit unless you can be disciplined and hard working enough to make it happen, the average person can't stand the sacrifice so they give up as soon as something is hard or doesn't reward them quickly.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

You know man, a lot of this is true. For example; I spent an entire year reading the red pill yet I was still a beta, an emotional roller coaster and a terrible decision maker, fast forward to 6 weeks ago when I got my testosterone checked, 218ng.

Fast forward to today over a month on TRT and I am not an emotional roller coaster anymore and I am getting a lot of my stuff together, applying some red pill stuff without even thinking about it.

Which makes me think you're right, we are wired to do things one way and we may never change (unless something drastic happens, perhaps).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Good point to get your T checked. If you are on the low end I dont think things are ever going to work out for you. Its T that makes you a man, without that what are you? A confused lady man? Get it checked and do whatever you have to do to get it fixed. Because otherwise you are toast.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You're right bro, hence why I did it, latest reading was 420ng so I still got at least 300 more to go, but I feel 100% better than before.  

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait till you get to 750 - 800. Thats when it gets much better. Theres lots of good info you can find in the TRT forums.

[–]remember13 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If you ask me, the richer a country, the more beta the men get in relationships. Romania, a poor country, is full of alpha mofos who emotionally abuseTM. Yet the upper classes are full of beta men who put women on a pedestal.

You know why? Because the lower class men are exposed to the more gruesome aspect of women from an early age, stay in masculine environments and do more physical labour. By contrast, the well-to-do family will probably raise a satisfied beta who plays video games, reads a lot of degenerate books (postmodern bs mainly) and is putting girls on a romantic standard. They are not even close to the PC zombies that currently reside in the Anglo-sphere but in 20 years max they will get there.

My favourite quote, which quite popular among the taxi drivers and the construction workers in Bucharest is: "You salivate like a dumb dog after that pretty woman that just passed by, but somewhere out there is a guy who is tired of both her shit and her pussy"

For me finding the red pill wasn't an eye opening experience. Since the age of twelve I was hitting the gym, reading to better myself and started pick-uptm (inspired by Barney Stinson) at the age of 17 without a manual, any website or something like that. The red pill was just a community from which I could learn and a confirmation of my instincts. Most people who swallow the red pill only become frustrated betas and never achieve their alpha potential. They cling to morality as a defence mechanism. I don't want to fuck people over, awalt but not awalt, I am still a good boy

[–]StoicBeard 9 points10 points  (8 children)

If the game shakes me or breaks me, I hope that It makes me a better man, take a better stance - Notorious B.I.G

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

"Every night in my dreams I see you, I feel you"

  • Celine Dion

[–]MightyTaint -3 points-2 points  (6 children)

Nice line, but he was a fat fuck. Hard to admire a man who's too weak to put the ice cream down, even if he was talented and rich and got mad women. I mean, the same could be said about Prince. In fact, now that I think about it, Prince is way more alpha than Biggie. Think about it. He doesn't give a shit and does his thing. Biggie couldn't go five seconds without telling everyone women would screw him and his car is fast.

[–]sushisection 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Who gives a fuck if he was fat... here we are talking about him decades after he died, still listening to his music, that is alpha as fuck. He went from selling crack on the mean streets of new york in the 80s to going quadruple platinum on his debut album, that is alpha as fuck. He influenced the lives of other alphas around the world, that is alpha as fuck. If anything, he is the perfect example of how the drive and confidence within a man is more important than what he looks like on the outside.

[–]MightyTaint 7 points8 points  (2 children)

What he looks like implies what's on the inside. No matter how cool you think he is, he was too weak to put down a big mac. What an idol.

[–]sushisection -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

So let me get this straight, every successful man who doesn't look like a gladiator should be looked down upon and judged harshly. Vince Wilfork - fat fuck, disregard his achievements. Jimi Hendrix - skinny fuck, disregard his achievements. Gandhi - skinny fuck, disregard his achievements. Einstein - dad bod, disregard his achievements. Martin Scorsese - short fuck, disregard his achievements.... being a man involves much more than your image. Yeah, you can stay in the gym 24/7 and make yourself look like an Abercrombie model, but nobody remembers that model after he dies.

[–]MightyTaint 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, an obese person should be judged weak for being obese. I don't see what's so fucking hard about this. If someone's too weak to put down the fork, they should be judged too weak to put down the fork. Sorry one of your idols is a weak fatass, and he's being judged as such.

[–]mcs__typ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Plus 2pac fucked his wife, then made a song and music video bragging about it.

[–]1Snivellious 3 points4 points  (4 children)

You caught something important about that EMSK post.

It wasn't like most anti-RP rants, because he actually had some understanding of what he was talking about. Rather than just screaming "misogynists that way!" he actually attacked TRP for some things it does say.

That's also why it didn't go the way he wanted. He looked through the door, and turned back to tell everyone else about the evils he saw there. A lot of other people (myself included) shrugged and decided that not looking wasn't going to make the evils go away. The result was the wave of new subscribers he brought on.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I think he single handedly brought at least 20k subscribers because of how much his post was publicised and linked.

[–]1Snivellious 2 points3 points  (2 children)

He came so damn close. He recognized that there was a sexual power struggle and a lot of men were losing it, then decided that instead of participating he would appeal to 'fairness' to somehow solve the conflict.

Twenty thousand other people managed to work out that saying "be nice!" isn't going to end a power struggle.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The thing is women want you to win the power struggle. They want to feel that you have complete control over them. That makes them feel safe and secure enough to have sex and get pregnant. Think about it a pregnancy has historically been risky as fuck would you want an Alpha protecting you when you are a hormonal mess?

Women have to test men because being with a weak beta boy could cost them their life and the lives of their children.

[–]1Snivellious 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Much of TRP can be simplified down to that observation with very little loss. Women aren't satisfied by victories or concessions because they weren't trying to win in the moment, they were trying to establish your merits.

[–]Semper_I 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Feminists have high jacked natural selection, There's a new pack mentality. Hell maybe it's "natural" but it is not good for our species that they, emboldened by the rest of the ego shaming corporate run society, have made it their goal to destroy much more than the family.

They have long been engaged in a battle to obfuscate our natural horny monkey states and the EGO which seems to be one of the greatest things that sets us apart from all other organisms on this planet to further their UBER BETA AGENDA of a world where we sit on our ass and suckle from whatever teet they allow us while the top 1% hoards it all. Strive to not be left behind. It is a moral obligation to use this mind and body to the fullest. One day we all may be one spirit blogging in unison on the cloud as our fleshlight powered dopamine machines scuttle our bloated dumb bodies around the space ship on our way to earn more credits, but that day has not come. Deep down inside, all womyns know they crave power just as much as we do and the need to pro-create will not go down without a fight.

As Ayn Rand put it, “Do not let your fire go out, spark by irreplaceable spark in the hopeless swamps of the not-quite, the not-yet, and the not-at-all. Do not let the hero in your soul perish in lonely frustration for the life you deserved and have never been able to reach. The world you desire can be won. It exists.. it is real.. it is possible.. it's yours.” Just get off your ass and DO IT

Enjoy the decline and as always Kill Hitler.

~Kino or Die.

[–]EvanDeadlySins 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Try blue, it's the new red!

What a coincidence. Almost sounds subliminal.

[–]Hippo_Kankles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

What he didn't realize is that by intentionally keeping himself vulnerable he was leaving the door open for the wolves. The only thing that can save a man from the wolves is becoming a wolf. If you want to complain about how unfair wolves are for manipulating men the same way you aspire to manipulate women, the Red Pill isn't for you. Be grateful for all of the wolves who have chosen to tell you the art of wolf. In the wild wolves eat sheep without telling them why or how.

You're presenting a false dichotomy here: either you're helpless and clueless and will get taken advantage of; or you're aware and you take advantage of others. Why wouldn't it possible to be aware, yet not take advantage of others?

Here's my worldview: most people start out clueless and then might find out about human nature later in their life. Understanding human nature (and hitting the gym and doing a whole bunch of other stuff) then protects you (at least partially) from getting taken advantage of. Understanding human nature also lets you take advantage of others if you so choose, but you don't have to do that.

In other words, you seem to be implying that taking advantage of others leads to being safe yourself, like it's some kind of magic ritual. I'd argue that being aware of human nature, hitting the gym, etc leads to both being relatively safe yourself and to be able to, if you so choose, take advantage of others.

Why did I make this post? Frankly, I don't like GayLubeOil or anyone else preaching ethics on TRP. Advocating a lack of ethics ("become a wolf") is also taking a stand on the ethics spectrum. I liked his manipulation tutorial for making me more aware of human nature, and I'm fine with him or others taking advantage of other people. However, don't tell me what ethics I should or shouldn't have.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Because the more you take advantage of others the more you learn the game and the more you recognize it when it is being played. This is what protects you from other wolves.

It's kind of like how if you work sales you can spot sales tactics from a mile away. Or how military men can spot other military men in a crowd.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

You wrote:

What he didn't realize is that by intentionally keeping himself vulnerable he was leaving the door open for the wolves. The only thing that can save a man from the wolves is becoming a wolf.

Well, suppose I'd post the following:

What he didn't realize is that by intentionally sleeping with married women he was leaving the door open for jealous husbands to shoot them in the face. The only thing that can save a man from a psychotic jealous husband is not sleeping with married women.

Threads like "Final warning: keep your damn morals to yourself" have led me to believe that the latter wouldn't be acceptable to post. Well, why is "do take advantage of others" a great post, but "don't take advantage of others" is unacceptable? Yes, you've provided a reason for your set of morals, but so did I (jealous husbands are dangerous).

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Because I'm not telling you what to do I'm just saying that it feels good and is addicting. There is a huge distinction. One that you completly fail to comprehend.

As for getting shot in the face being an Alpha has always been risky. Some people don't care if they get shot in the face and because of that they are free to do anything.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you want to claim that your post wasn't telling other people what to do, then I'll claim that my don't-sleep-with-married-women paragraph from above wasn't telling people what to do. Yet I suspect that if I made a thread about that, I'd either get banned or downvoted into oblivion, even if I had some new argument to back it up.

You are right that certain things would be easier if I wasn't afraid of getting shot in the face.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (5 children)

This post kind of reminds me about something I just saw in an anime recently, Hunter x Hunter (2011). There was some kid named Gyro who thought that his alcoholic dad was giving him tough love but his father actually didn't give a shit about him and was just using him to work for money to get alcohol.

When Gyro was younger, he fell deathly ill and thought that his father sat by his side the entire time to care for him. Later, Gyro finds out that it was his neighbor that took care of him, not his father. This was revealed to Gyro by a bully as he was beating the shit out of him. In this scene, Gyro lays on the floor as a bloody pulp and his father walks out of his house, glances at him and the bully, and then walks off without even attempting to help his son.

"Gyro realized that the world never gave him a single thing. He stood up, grabbed a hammer and killed his father."

Reference: http://hunterxhunter.wikia.com/wiki/Episode_80_(2011)

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Beta Behavior: Give Me Give Me Give Me

Alpha Behavior: Give me knowledge, give me knowledge, give me knowledge

[–]Myrpl -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The difference is, beta behavior asks to be spoonfed, much like the guy who's hungry and wants you to give him a fish, instead of teaching him how to fish.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Fucking eh. So many betas around, and guys playing at it without living it.

The idea of being nice, gentlemanly, and not getting angry while allowing your emotions to run freely is everywhere. Before I came in here and started reading, I was actively suppressing my nature. I was forcing the wolf to stay inside and cultivating the sheep persona. I was told that doubling down on nice would keep my wife around, and that since I was over 40 I'd never again get a 20 something girl naked and riding my cock. That wolf had gotten me places, and I was told by everyone that it was bad and should be destroyed.

Fuck that.

I embrace that side of me, it's who I really am inside. It's who I was forced to become even more just to survive a shitty childhood. Everyone told me not to be me, and I couldn't figure out why so many bitches would fuck me, then bail when I was nicer after fucking them. Now it makes sense why bitches always left. Because I would change from the man who made them dripping wet to someone who dried her up faster than a truckload of Bounty wrapped desiccant in the Gobi desert.

The military surpressed the wolf when it came to girls, but channeled the natural leader and aggressive behavior towards anyone who wasn't female. If you're not attractive enough to speak to her, you're guilty of harassment, so cower to the power of vagina wearing camouflage. Off base I was the wolf, but the seed had been planted and cultivated. It cost me again and again as I struggled to understand how to be a man while being told to be a girly beta bitch. I really just needed to be myself, not what they wanted me to be.

That feminine thinking and culture is pervasive, it's everywhere you look, all around you. You can feel it when you pay your taxes. While you're not to blame for being raised in it, it's your fault if you don't do something about how it affects your life, and you don't build your life into something worth living. The wolf is in you, but it won't come out unless you build a life for it. The wolf needs action, it doesn't want to be fed, it wants to hunt.

Stop being livestock and start hunting.

[–]ECoast_Man -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Stop being livestock and start hunting.

Yep. But its easier to be a sheep than a shepherd.

It's often futile to try and convince young millennials to stop masturbating at Pornhub, and go get laid by real chicks.

[–]Sementeries 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This is what Dr_Warlock and OP are talking about. Some people here talk the talk and want to live through other people, constantly posting, and never putting any of this information to use.

[–]ECoast_Man 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed.

Yet I get downvoted by these fags. I hope it serves as a lesson, but maybe to others.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Eat sheep. Leave the carcass for the vultures.

[–]bluedrygrass 7 points8 points  (8 children)

"Most of you are physically weaker than my 5 foot 2 112 pound girlfriend"

Now, now. You pissed on the floor there. I don't personally know any men, and i don't think i've ever have in my life , who's weaker than a 5'2, 120 lbs girl.

Maybe your girl isn't a girl.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

My girlfriend has 1rm squat max of 185 pounds and a 5rm of 135 that makes her stronger than most of the people here who don't even lift.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When I started lifting for the first time I could just about do that, lol. I was pretty skinny.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Man, I have a way skewed sense of how strong other people are then.

When I started squatting 150 5x5 I was all "Finally, I've gotten out from behind the 8-ball and I'm on par with your average guy".

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A 250 pound deadlift is easily within the realm of possibility for a small woman who goes to the gym 2 to 3 times a week for two years. But yes you are correct most men are week as fuck.

[–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's funny, cause her whole body turned into limp jelly when she was squatting on my dick last night.

[–]remember13 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I am keen on boxing. my one rep max is 198 and I have been doing starting strength style on and off. I basically bro-lift with dumbells (for chicks) when I am not training for a match and do starting strength in the summer, the off-season.

I can confirm what he is saying, assuming that his girl is keen on powerlifting. Most of the guys here are not.

[–]hebola4lyfe 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It amazes how fucking stupid guys like you manage to breathe .

[–]remember13 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Your counter argument being?

[–]Surf_Or_Die 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Fuck man, I love my tight underwear. I hate the loose ones where my dick is just swinging between my legs like Tarzan going from branch to branch.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like the direction this is heading.

I wrote a post about alpha widows and partner count and then I thought about the whole situation with my past relationships and realized, that all those women had relationships in the past, but this was not exactly their fault... this was my fault to be beta too.

[–]ImXtraSalty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As someone still in their first "monk mode" I find that every time I reach one of my goals I look forward and see three more in front of me. This is a lifelong journey, not some magical place that you get to by pretending to be an alpha.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dating is a dog eat dog world. If you aren't an alpha you can be 99% sure an alpha is fucking your girlfriend.

[–]hatertauts 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not a beta! ...fuck.

Seriously though, thanks for the reminder. Just had to drop weight off my squat (think it's the new diet) and was frustrated. Keep making posts like this and I might end up squatting in one of your shirts.

Alot of guys are betafied by those fucking Disney made for TV movies. My mom liked watching one, Genius, with me. The plot goes: guy is smart, goes to college like 3 years early and does research, girl likes guy because he's smart. Now here I am a stem major, stratospheric IQ yet no girl has jumped on my dick for it.

The world wants you beta. Everyone wants you beta. The only people who want wolves are people in danger. And after the danger has passed, they want you to be a sweet little puppy dog again.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I literally thought something just like this today, namely that there are precisely as many horrible women as there are beta men, & probably as many unicorns as there are natural alphas.

[–]AmericanHistoryAFBB 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good thing I just started back at the gym today at Crunch after taking some time off, for cutting, financial awareness, and religious pursuits. Doing a Stronglifts leangains carb cycling bulk. Feels good to be back.

[–]drqxx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

JFC

Did I write this. No seriously sounds like me. However the worst part is watching your friends just sit down and rott. They have such bad habits they don't want to go out and meet girls. They just stay home; play halo; and rub one out to a cam girl. And I'm powerless to make them drink from the

Chalice of Veritas.

Thanks for the pep talk my spartan.

Onward To Greatness.

Edit: this will be the title of my prologue in my book. Chalice of Veritas (The cup of truth)

[–]plenkton 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Men are brave at the cost of risk, and women accept safety of the cost of control.

Society is increasingly demanding safety at the cost freedom, and while this increasingly-feminine society is safe, its growth is slowing. And perhaps this slowing is needed, perhaps its nature's way of maintaining life. Exponential growth will lead to extinction.

But even if nature has societies cycle between femininity and masculinity, we humans do have a mind enabling rational thought, and thus choice. Intact our rational minds allow us to be happy/sad compared to an animal which is limited in range of emotion from fear to safety.

And while we cannot control the world we are part of, we can control how we interact with it. And if our actions are inline with our ideals, we will be happy. And since masculinity is core to males, males must act masculine. This means accepting risk to better ourselves. While its natural to fear this risk, men should be aware how much fear limits their potential.

[–]axis77x 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I didn't get triggered about the beta thing. Does this mean I'm not a beta? Great read tho. Nodded in agreement throughout the whole thing.

[–]BallisticTherapy -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Anybody who gets triggered is a Beta.

Anybody who stays calm is a well-disciplined Beta.

Ain't social dynamics hell?

[–]axis77x -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Basically, everything is meant to trigger you? Man, I'm having a good day today, this doesn't bother me much now. If you caught me at a non-good day I would have raged like a beta.

hmm does this mean I'm just really a beta pretending to not get affected? Social dynamics is confusing as hell

[–]Redasshole 0 points1 point  (0 children)

why the fuck do u worry about this

[–]BallisticTherapy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I was paraphrasing the Helicoper gunner in the movie Full Metal Jacket.

Nothing ever triggers me. I've never been triggered. It takes divine intervention to get me angry. This is both a good and bad thing. I just understand things too much, now. I've come to expect bullshit, so it doesn't surprise, upset, or bother me.

[–]axis77x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, I'm sorry man. I didn't get the reference. Imma go read up on that.

[–]Homestaff17 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a brilliant post. First time commenting I believe. I need not expand as it was so thorough.

[–]Myrpl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Red Pill can only teach you the rules of the game. The Red Pill can't actually make you better at the game.

Because as Morpheus said, "there's a difference between knowing the path, and walking the path".

[–]Evilpagan 2 points3 points  (2 children)

There has been a generational age independent decline in testosterone, in American men.

And get off the low-fat diets; as a whole, we really need to eat more fats. Steroid hormones all require cholesterol and fat in our blood in order to thrive. It will help with facial hair and other manly traits.

[–]648262 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Thoughts on macronutrient ratio?

[–]Profdiddy 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I would like to posit that EMSK says not to play the power game with your SO but there is a tragic flaw in that logic. No matter what you and your SO agree upon, biological imperative and social conditioning of billions of years overrides your fifteen minute heart to heart and you act accordingly. Therefore, your little primate brain and hormones will act out on its own. Hence, we are forced into the struggle no matter what and best prepare ourselves accordingly lest we become victims of the battle of the sexes, named so for a reason.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

There is a battle of the Sexes and there is also a battle of supremacy with other men. Its important to be aware of both and plan accordingly. Every hot girl has multiple suitors to fuck her you gotta be the very best like no one ever was. Once the test of catching her is passed, training her is your cause. Pokemon

[–]Profdiddy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Absolutely u/GayLubeOil. I was responding specifically to the EMSK link on RP theory. We absolutely have to bring the fucking thunder down on cringe beta males, omegas and the like. It is one thing to encourage beta bp men to wake up on this sub but it is a different reality in the workplace, pub, etc. I personally show no mercy for the weak, as they would sacrifice me for their betterment given the opportunity.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Betas have no problem throwing you under the bus in front of the boss because for them preserving their limited social standing is a top priority.

[–]yohohoanda 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Whenever I see posts like this I reflect on myself as a gay dude - mainly because this post makes little sense if you take it out of the hetero context.

I don't mean that in a bad way at all, I just mean it's interesting to feel so disconnected from a clearly well thought out argument based on who I'm attracted to.

Makes me wonder if this means this subreddit is about masculinity for straight dudes only - or is masculine behavior predominately a straight guy thing (i.e. Gay dudes can never be masculine).

I'm genuinely curious here, no judgement or subtext.

[–]What_The_Shoe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm straight, so I can't tell you how you feel, but is homosexuality not attraction to masculinity? Would being more masculine not help your sex life as a homosexual? I would think that being a gay redpiller is somewhat easier; you don't want to fuck girls, so you don't bother with their bullshit, right? It helps that feminists do tend to like gay dudes more (or hate them less, I suppose) than they do straight dudes.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There are plenty of masculine Homosexual men just go to a hardcore gym in West Hollywood or San Francisco and you will see tons of brutal masculine dudes hugging and and kissing each other on the check before going back to lifting heavy ass weight.

Many of those kind of gay dudes despise the more feminine type of gay dudes.

[–]Pabsmanhere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is a portion of theredpill that is still enslaved to the biological influence of femininity. Many posts on here fail to accept or understand that much of masculine behavior cannot be separated from our genetic reproductive programming, and as a result many redpill conclusions come full circle and end up serving gynocentrism anyway. If I were a gay man I would look at the mgotw material. It does a better job of separating and understanding human biology and you can more easily recognize posts like this one as partial truth that glorifies the archetype of the subconscious alpha male automaton.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

"Reaching your hand out and taking from another person as they watch helplessly, feels amazing."

I don't agree with this, or at least it's definitely not true with everyone. I've benefited from the weakness of others many times in my life and I always felt uncomfortable about it. That's somebody's mom, or brother, or son...etc.

[–]Glassland 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed. Just because we acknowledge that reality is brutal, amoral and indifferent about us humans doesn't mean that we must necessarily enjoy making others suffer. I know I don't. I prefer not to when I have the option. But when I have to do so, I will.

[–]gmwbh 1 point2 points  (9 children)

What a bunch of crap

And I'm probably also able to beat the shit out of you

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 2 points3 points  (8 children)

Oh boy dick waving! I want to try! Ok here's me at 215 pounds. Now go ahead and respond with a picture of yourself and the theorists of Red Pill will judge who would win in your imaginary fight.

[–]Hippo_Kankles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

FGHT ME IN REEL LIFG BIch http://i32.tinypic.com/259zv4n.jpg

[–]Assholiocorn 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Unrelated, but I saw you mentioned boxing in your post, do you box?

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I used to box and wrestle years ago and have a broken nose because of it.

[–]Assholiocorn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea boxings rough on the nose. I've been boxing for a few years and luckily have only had my nose bruised, not broken

[–]1Snivellious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The first big lesson I got out of TRP was that resenting people who take from you doesn't mean a god damn thing. That feeling of "How dare he, that's not right!" might be satisfying, but it carries no weight. There's no court of appeals willing to hear your whining about how you were the good guy.

You can go be another bad guy, you can avoid getting suckered next time, you can even declare war on whoever hurt you and try to make the world a better place. No matter what, though, the world will only reward being 'right' to the extent that someone forces it to. If you sit around and brood on how bad the other guy was, it'll feel good, but you'll keep doing it until you die with nothing to show for it.

[–]EtchyTWA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only thing that can save a man from the wolves is becoming a wolf.

Nah, most predators get fucked up by the herd.

Alphas in previous times got fucked up by the betas assembling and doing things like creating marriage, public shaming of womens behaviour, dueling for dishonour etc.

Those things are no longer possible but when a tipping point of lesser alphas/upper betas is reached who understand the pill but can't take part in its good side, they'll come up with something. Its how all foxes versus rabbits games go.

[–]DarkLordoftheShit 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Anti-fragile....you get that from nerdfitness?

[–]Glassland 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's actually an economic term.

[–]DarkLordoftheShit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interesting. I learned something today. Thanks mate.

[–]relearnwhatisknown 0 points1 point  (1 child)

can somebody point me in the direction of "systematic campaign of demonizing all men as rapists and abusers" - this is interesting..

is there a list of advisable pursuits? maybe some tactile advice?

great post.

[–]An_All-Beef_Engineer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"systematic campaign of demonizing all men as rapists and abusers"

There you go

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Manspread as much as possible

This, hard. I've been doing it to spite the people that complain about it, should they see me on the bus. It's fun, and it's actually a comfortable position.

I especially manspread when I see females with short, dyed hair and piercings, or even half-shaved hair, in the hope that they might be feminists.

I've had no reactions though, because I don't live in the UK or USA.

Ah well.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Someone needs to sponsor you with a man spreading visa

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have no intentions of going to USA or the UK. Shit's bad for your health.

[–]1sardinemanR -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

I'm so tough and edgy. I just told people in the internet they're wimpy and I'm tough. Heck I even managed to tick the "I have a gf checkmark" while I was at it.

I am so not a 14 year old back in 1980. It's 2015 and I'm, like, totally in my late 20s so it's edgy and hip, right girlfriends?

[–]Assholiocorn 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Yo having a girlfriend isn't bragging, it's just something you have

[–]tallwheel -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If anything, here on TRP I feel ashamed admitting I have a GF. Plates are where the real fun is. Too bad I was weak enough to let a plate talk me into an LTR. I'm a total commitment slut.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yea that was my understanding.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I actually made zero statements about myself in this post. Maybe I'm the biggest fucking beta ever. It still doesn't matter because the point is to show people how much further they need to go. But you missed all of that and still got upset. Better luck next time.

[–]1sardinemanR -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Sounds like you're the one that is upset.

Yeah, sure, you wrote that your 5'2 gf is stronger than you, right.

I'm busy laughing at you.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I wrote that she is stronger than most men but I guess reading comprehension isn't a strong point for you. Maybe you should try Hooked on Phonics or reading simple books like Pat the Bunny.

[–]hebola4lyfe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

no she is not , you fucking idiot.

[–]RICCIedm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I still have beta impulses, but the Red Pill training is already giving me lots of benefits. Thanks GLO for the Skype consultation. I've ordered two shirts long ago! Awesome color names.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

That's a fucking cool ass shirt, but I'm not sure I want to be publicly associated with GLO or TRP. I like his style though.

I'd buy underwear with that image, lol.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

just tell people your wearing it ironically :)

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I found it at the thrift store. What's TRP?

[–]RPmatrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know a chick who thinks ironic is a brand of electric iron

[–]ZioFascist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

nice commercial plug, schlomo

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Tight underwear?

Can someone explain? I quite enjoy my Boxer-briefs

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

That's what the doctors at endocrinology today said.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

someone spread the news! but seriously I hate boxers.

[–]SW9876 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Have you ever had your testosterone tested u/gaylubeoil? I'm curious what your levels are now, and if you have noticed a correlation between test levels and life style first hand.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

There is a definite correlation and it definitely affects behavior. Increasing your testosterone Ritch Piana style will influence your behavior quite a bit.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is a definite correlation and it definitely affects behavior.

My father was still taking biweekly T shots in his 80's, and he was a dominating hardass to the end. In my younger, softer years, I rejected his path, and as a result, struggled for years between beta conformity and my inner alpha (whose voice sounds much like yours, GLO).

Fuck yeah, I have sons and I'm with you on this entire post.

[–]SW9876 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I got into a habit of wearing compression shorts every day because I had to wear them for baseball. I guess I should go buy some new underwear.

[–]Euphoric_Redditor 1 points1 points [recovered]

Before anyone starts going commando thinking that "increasing use of tight-fitting underwear" has dropped testosterone...

...generally it's agreed that it lowers sperm count slightly (since your testes are unable to get away from your body to moderate temps), there is no evidence that it lowers testosterone.

[–]SW9876 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

So I don't need to race to the store to buy new underwear?

[–]mgtowguynow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

WHAT? I'M NOT BETA I'M A FUCKING SICKCUNT, ALPHA AS FUARK. YOU MAD BREH?

In all seriousness, I completely agree. Being a man involves serious effort and desire to maintain that state.

[–]whenfoom 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's also necessarily true that anyone who works in someone else's business is a beta. This sub has too much emphasis on lifting and not enough emphasis on the truly masculine quality: defining others lives for them. That's mostly because spending time at a stupid gym is easy and you can't be rejected for doing squats.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We have both types of advice here. However it's a lot easier to teach someone to lift weights over reddit than to bring them to the point your talking about. That being said if you have great ideas and it sounds like you do formulate them into a fun post that our 21 year olds will read.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn dude. Gaylube is a beast. He has to have the best posts on this sub.

This may offend some, but thats the reality of TRP. The truth hurts.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First step to any solution is acknowledging the problem. If you've found your way here, and everything you read seems to be good advice rather than common sense, you're beta.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fucking beta's wives and girlfriends feels amazing. Reaching your hand out and taking from another person as they watch helplessly, feels amazing.

One of my MMA-coaches who's been living in Africa for two decades just recently said about the African mindset on this: They feel that everything they are able to take is theirs. This inculdes women.

[–]rpkarma 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Rich Piraña is my favourite natural carnivorous fish

[–]yizolo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All men are betas.

Attacking a man's manliness is like attacking a woman's uniqueness. People get bent out of shape about it because they know deep down it's true. Here you'll see reformed betas at best. Sure, there comes a point when you can't tell them from the real thing, but our culture stopped allowing men to be men decades ago. The best thing I did for myself was to leave this sub alone for a few months and focus on making myself better socially. You see it on r/asktrp all of the time. People want to be spoon fed, coddled, and told every step to take. That's not what being a man is, and until I took a hiatus from TRP I didn't realize that. It's growing through failure. It's learning from your mistakes. It's fucking hard. Read the sidebar, learn the fundementals, get out there and implement.

What percentage of men do you think will make it through a 12 week Stronglifts program after swearing up and down that they will do anything to improve their bodies?

Statistically only 15% of Americans have a gym membership. Out of those 15% only 10% go to the gym regularly (multiple times a week). If we assume half of those are women in their 30s trying desperately to fight the wall we are looking at less than a percent of men who actually lift. I never want to be a man that doesn't lift. Fuck the 99%.

[–]crestind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol @ 108 sold

At least 108 retards exist.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This whole post sounds like someone is trying to meta themselves into not being a beta faggot.

[–]Hennez -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This was beautiful:

The only thing that can save a man from the wolves is becoming a wolf.

I gotta say, it was weird to read your article at first because your style was missing a bit but it sure was a very nice one. Good work GLO.

[–]FaustoRMD -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Fucking gold. Thanks for this.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (37 children)

/u/GayLubeOil, You should make "Testosterone 101" post. You cannot just simply write about low T and sell your T-shirt here.

[–]Primemale -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Aside from an unprocessed diet, that is not too high in sugars and starchy carbs, these have been shown consistently to lower testosterone. (life without bread is a good read) whilst increasing calories from nutrient dense animal protein and animal fat.

diet aside, I think that the only other activity to increase levels to a significant level, is something that forces you to need high testosterone levels, this is why people say ''go lift'' to the new line of betas, although with this said, IMO you will get a longer term testosterone surge by other factors more than lifting such as being a leader of a group, pushing your (day to day) boundaries i.e. doing things that you are fearful of, competing and/or winning, having people under you or people that depend on you, having a more manly job, for example blue collar workers always have higher testosterone levels than white collar workers etc. In summary: your environmental REQUIREMENT for testosterone is the most important thing, if you have no requirement for it then you need to MAKE a requirement for it, i.e. push your boundaries. Honestly that is all you need to know about test, nothing else, that's worth it's salt.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] -3 points-2 points  (34 children)

Read William Llewellyn Anabolics 9th if you want to learn about Testosterone. I'm a Red Pill gym bro not a doctor.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

There is a reason I asked a "101" post. You don't need to be a doctor to write about practical advice on how raise T,what not to do to avoid sapping T etc.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

Practical advice to raise T? Get some pharm grade test and some syringes.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

dude, its costly and I can't afford it.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Well that is the most effective, practical, proven way to go about it.

[–]trpftw 0 points1 point  (28 children)

Which is exactly why you shouldn't comment about things like xenoestrogens and "unprocessed foods".

My T levels are very high and I eat a ton of processed foods. Doesn't have any effect on your T levels.

You are giving misinformation to people. Hand soap is not going to affect your T levels or sexual function unless it's Triclosan (anti-bacterial ingredient), but other hand soaps are 100% fine.

You should edit your post to reflect that.

There is zero benefit to eating unprocessed foods. There is zero negativity to eating processed foods. By saying this to people, you are causing them to eat unhealthy things that are natural, and avoiding healthy things that are processed. It's such a vague term too.

Why use a vague term like "processed" to describe anything. Everything is processed in one way or another. Even that natural lettuce goes through a "triple wash process". Is lettuce you purchase at the store, "processed" or not?

Lettuce be reality and you should be careful about how you talk about food consumption and T-levels advice.

You cited xenoestrogens but vaguely mentioned pesticides and lotions without anything supporting those claims. Give us examples. I feel like you are talking about contamination, which is rare. Doesn't mean you should avoid lotions or pesticides.

I've even rubbed lotion on my dick before, shit doesn't do anything bad. Hell, I do worse things than that, I take a medicine that actually has "sexual dysfunction" as a possible side effect. But even that is improbable for most guys. Yet I'm still hard even after I orgasm twice.

Anyway, I hope you don't take what I said as insulting, and you'll edit your post to be more accurate as a result. Carry on brother, it was still an informative post.

[–]RPmatrix 0 points1 point  (10 children)

how does/can using soap that contains 'triclosan' affect one's T levels?

seriously?

[–]trpftw 1 point2 points  (9 children)

triclosan is said to possibly have effects on the endocrine system not necessarily T levels, but that's where GayLubeOil probably got the idea that hand soap affects T levels, from.

[–]RPmatrix 0 points1 point  (8 children)

shit eh! I just had a quick search around an wow! Never liked the stuff personally so meh, the ballz are still steel, but whoa, I knew washing powders tend to be high on the ED's but not hand soaps ... TIL

thanks

[–]trpftw 0 points1 point  (7 children)

yeah. There is a better anti-bacterial. Benzolkonium Chloride or something. Some anti-bacterial soaps have that. No bad effects.

Also hand sanitizer works great for everything, just don't touch thermal paper after (receipts from store while hands are wet).

[–]RPmatrix 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Benzoyl Alkonnium Chloride is an excellent 'atypical' anti microbial and antibacterial compound

It's method of action is not well understood

I have actually researched a lot of these compounds whilst studying something else

And er, no, Hand sanitizer is no more effective that washing your hands with WATER for 30secs!

I shit you not, the "alcohol" in the stuff doesn't kill ALL bacteria, it's LUCKY to get 70% and the rest are simply 'smeared' over the rest of your hands! Water tends to 'wash them away, not 'around'

Soap and water wins most 'cleanliness' competitions with things like H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) as the real high level 'disinfectants' (think at a 'surgical' level, H2O2 kills it all!)

The thing about any organism that replicates rapidly, resistance is more than likely, if not 'eventually inevitable',, as we're starting to see with antibiotics etc with 'resistant mutations' popping up all over the place

[–]trpftw 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Hand sanitizer is alcohol and it is 99.9% effective against most bacteria/viruses. Things do not survive in alcohol. We used to do surgeries with just some liquor.

I don't know how you can dare to compare hand sanitizer to just "washing with water". It's ridiculous and absurd.

[–]RPmatrix 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Many studies have found that sanitizers with an alcohol concentration between 60–95% are more effective at killing germs than those with a lower alcohol concentration or non-alcohol-based hand sanitizers

NOT ALL hand sanitizers contain >60% alcohol

Consumer alcohol-based hand sanitizers, and health care hand alcohol or alcohol hand antiseptic agents, are antiseptic products used to avoid transmission of pathogens. These exist in liquid, foam, and easy-flowing gel formulations. The level of alcohol varies between 60% and 85%. The most commonly used level is 62%

Hand sanitizer -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_sanitizer

  • Although alcohol-based hand sanitizers can inactivate many types of microbes very effectively when used correctly 1-10, people may not use a large enough volume of the sanitizers or may wipe it off before it has dried 10.

  • Furthermore, soap and water are more effective than hand sanitizers at removing or inactivating certain kinds of germs, like Cryptosporidium, norovirus, and Clostridium difficile

    http://www.cdc.gov/handwashing/show-me-the-science-hand-sanitizer.html

so ... maybe 10% of people use it "effectively" IF they are using it correctly which it's clear they're not!

Soap and water because of the way wash our hands IS far more effective

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] -2 points-1 points  (15 children)

To clarify some people believe that the petroleum derived fragrance carriers used in soap perfumes and lotions may act as xenoestrogens. it is somewhat speculative because xenoestrogens are poorly understood in general. As for processed foods you know exactly what I mean. Some of the preservatives used in food are known to cause issues. When you say processed foods aren't bad for you, you are basically being this asshole

[–]RPmatrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this is what you're kinda refering to bro

this shit's under 'mm' aka mainstream media 'wraps', you wont read about it outside of "the journals" (rolls eyes) but these guys at least have recognised what's been going on for sometime now

**INTRODUCTION

Recent studies have demonstrated a progressive decrease in age of onset of puberty in children around the world. Although the exact reason for this shift is not completely understood, it is generally accepted to be the outcome of a complex interaction between genetic, endocrine and environmental factors. It is also known that owing to the acceleration of industrialization throughout the world, a gradual but significant increase has occurred in the number and amount of environmental pollutants.

Some of these environmental pollutants are natural or synthetic chemicals with considerable effects on the endocrine system. The chemicals that have negative effects on the endocrine system are called endocrine disruptors (EDs). EDs exert their effects through different mechanisms: by binding to the relevant hormone receptors; by direct action on cell signaling pathways or on the central nervous system and the neuroendocrine system; by suppression of hormone synthesis; or through their toxic effects on the relevant organs. Several EDs such as phytoestrogens, topical and natural estrogens, pesticides, industrial chemicals and phthalates have been identified as possible agents affecting pubertal development in humans.

The potential of EDs to cause precocious puberty has first been noticed in the early 1990s. Afterwards, the effects of EDs on the onset and course of puberty have been demonstrated in numerous animal and human studies and, subsequently, the use of some of these chemicals has even been prohibited.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3065309/

  • Dirty Dozen Endocrine Disruptors

12 Hormone-Altering Chemicals and How to Avoid Them

There is no end to the tricks that endocrine disruptors can play on our bodies: increasing production of certain hormones; decreasing production of others; imitating hormones; turning one hormone into another; interfering with hormone signaling; telling cells to die prematurely; competing with essential nutrients; binding to essential hormones; accumulating in organs that produce hormones.

Here are 12 of the worst hormone disrupters, how they do their dirty deeds, and some tips on how to avoid them.

http://www.ewg.org/research/dirty-dozen-list-endocrine-disruptors

there you go bro, that's the general direction, "endocrine disruptors"

GLO hard hehe!

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[–]trpftw -4 points-3 points  (13 children)

Don't be absurd. There is nothing wrong with preservatives or processed foods. Cite some scientific evidence.

Go ahead, we'll be waiting for your list of scientific (not-blog-links) from reputable journals.

You are the asshole misleading people like that cigarette guy by claiming things are dangerous and fearmongering about them without supporting scientific evidence.

some people believe that the petroleum derived fragrance carriers

Simply not true. Otherwise everyone using soap would have drastically reduced T levels and that doesn't happen.

Also "some people believe" is not sound way to change the way you live your life.

somewhat speculative because xenoestrogens are poorly understood in genera

Yeah exactly, and it's probably not even worth mentioning or considering except for scientists doing research on it.

If it had any significant effect, everyone would have drastic T level problems. I use all sorts of anti-bacterial soap (Benzalkonium Chloride) and lotion and it doesn't effect me. It's not because I'm some Testosterone God. It's because the effects are either (a) not real (b) not significant enough to mention.

Another possible detrimental effect is using hand sanitizer and then touching thermal paper while your hand is wet with hand sanitizer (receipts for example). But again these are improbable events not worth mentioning.

Seriously, cite some scientific evidence to back up your claims about processed foods or preservatives. There just isn't any. That's why almost all foods have preservatives. Nothing wrong with them.

Wanna guess what some scientists debate about when they talk about preservatives? They debate about whether some children might get "hyperactivity" from some preservatives. A laughable concept compared to the way you describe and compare it to carcinogenic cigarettes.

[–]Primemale 2 points3 points  (9 children)

I though you were being a caricature of an ignorant idiot but now I just think your are in fact, an ignorant idiot! I understood your point earlier about GLO stating about the xenoestrogens, and the lack of data provided for such claims HOWEVER to say ''Don't be absurd. There is nothing wrong with preservatives or processed foods. Cite some scientific evidence.'' & '' That's why almost all foods have preservatives. Nothing wrong with them.''

To try and make out that there is no difference in eating processed foods, and highly (unnaturally) preserved foods, in comparison to non processed foods is fucking moronic,(not just for t levels but HEALTH) highly processed foods are devoid of nutrients for the most part and contain an array of chemicals and additives (which proven beyond any doubt, such as aspartame as an example) are most definitely unhealthy to consume, even in modest amounts.

Although I personally think the massive decline in testosterone is a mixture of factors, more in line with your way of thinking, there is some evidence to the contrary, I will try and find a documentary I once watched and post it here tomorrow, about an industrial chemical eostrogen that contaminated an area in America, and they had a huge % of girls being born around this period and very little boys, another example was an oestrogenic chemical leaked into a lake that crocodiles inhabited and all the subsequent male generations had penises half as big as they should be and abnormally low testosterone levels.

[–]trpftw -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

Fuck you dickhead. You're not even worth reading. Only an ignorant retard would think that processed foods magically make things unhealthier. A fool who has no scientific training or understanding.

"It just FEEEEELS UNHEALTHIEIEER" is how stupid you sound right now.

To try and make out that there is no difference in eating processed foods, and highly (unnaturally) preserved foods, in comparison to non processed foods is fucking moronic

No you are retarded. Absolutely retarded of you to think preserving foods makes it unhealthier. "omg it lasts long it must be a mutant!!!!!" That's how stupid you sound.

devoid of nutrients

BASED ON WHAT? Where did you come up with this "all processsed foods are devoid of nutrients". Processed food can have MORE nutrients than natural foods that's a fact you can take to the bank.

contain an array of chemicals and additives

You're a fucking idiot. All natural foods are chemicals and they all have additives.

(which proven beyond any doubt, such as aspartame as an example)

Aspartame has not caused harm to anyone except those with genetic phenylketonuria. I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU ARE CITING DEBUNKED MYTHS FROM BLOGS. YOU'RE SUCH A FUCKING IDIOT.

START DOING SOME READING YOU IGNORANT REDNECK:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame

Wow it's insane I drink aspartame every day and nothing bad ever happens to me. I eat processed foods every day and I am in perfect health and excellent T levels. It's almost as if you've been brainwashed by daytime-tv retards who don't know anything about science.

STOP TALKING ABOUT THINGS YOU ARE CLUELESS ABOUT. YOU ARE NOT A SCIENTIST. YOU ARE SCIENTIFICALLY ILLITERATE.

Why don't you have an ounce of scientific evidence or scientific literature to prove your points? Oh that's right because you get your info from blogs and myths on the internet and don't know shit about the subject. Shut the fuck up you ignorant cunt.

[–]redambience 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Only an ignorant retard would think that processed foods magically make things unhealthier.

Okay, so explain why white bread is fortified with B vitamins and why pasteurized milk has to have Vitamin D added back into it.

[–]trpftw -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

What does that have to do with anything? Not all processed food is white bread or milk.

Why are you so blatantly ignorant and refuse to read about things and instead asking me in comments?

Pasteurization is a process that kills harmful bacteria by heating milk to a specific temperature for a set period of time.

It makes milk last longer too. It's profitable for companies to make it especially since their customers won't get SICK.

The TRADE OFF is that some nutrients might get heated up.

Just as how ... RAW VEGGIES have more vitamins than COOKED. Doesn't mean cooked veggies are "UNHEALTHY PROCESSED"

Do you believe cooked vegetables are unhealthy processed foods? If you say YES, then that's just sad and embarrassing. If you say NO, then you need to apologize to me for questioning my statements and not doing your own research.

I'm sick and tired of ignorant people, who don't do biological research questioning people who research biology extensively and advocating appeal to nature fallacies.

[–]redambience 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I'd just reiterate how much of a mung you come across as, but I think you're too stupid to grasp it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

xenoestrogens

These are really bad, environment destroying bad, it's mostly illegal to dump xenoestrogens because of them being really harmful to the environment, shit like animals being born intersex, higher rates of cancer etc.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1469672/

One to note is Great Britain, they were really dumping it in all the rivers here and kids were swimming in it for a couple of decades and it had really prominent effect on fertility here, like 50% loss of sperm. The BBC (being our state broadcasting channel) made a documentary on the effects, "The estrogen effect : assault on the male", but I cant find a source online atm. This seems to be a french documentary of the like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAmtP_UCQMM.

Processed foods aren't bad per se, but many are bad because they contain added salt sugar and transfats that you don't need in your diet, thus you could be much healthier.

Also there negative links to various flavourings, the most prominent being certain artificial food colouring increasing the risk of ADHD by a considerable amount.

https://www.southampton.ac.uk/psychology/research/impact/food_additives.page

EDIT: I found the BBC documentary, will give a proper post.

[–]trpftw -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Where did I say xenoestrogens weren't bad? I didn't ask for sources for that. I asked for sources on how LOTION and PRESERVATIVES have xenoestrogen.

One to note is Great Britain, they were really dumping it in all the rivers here and kids were swimming in it for a couple of decades and it had really prominent effect on fertility here,

Thanks for informing me. I was just saying that it's not in LOTIONS AND PRESERVATIVES.

but many are bad because they contain added salt sugar and transfats that you don't need in your diet,

That has nothing to do with processed foods. It has nothing to do with it.

Processed foods DO/DON'T add salt/sugar/transfats unless they wnat to, just like UNPROCESSED foods DO/DON'T add salt/sugar/transfats. It has nothing to do with the word "processed".

the most prominent being certain artificial food colouring increasing the risk of ADHD by a considerable amount.

Need a scientific source for that. There is no causal link between them. Even if there was, that's only a small number of SODAS / CANDIES that are NOT related to the category "Processed foods".

From your own source:

Research into food additives was carried out but none of the findings was considered conclusive enough to lead to the removal of these additives from food.

It's simply not true. Find some evidence first.

ADD/ADHD itself can be very difficult to diagnose.

[–]RPmatrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ADD/ADHD itself can be very difficult to diagnose.

Indeed, If it really exists at all!

pssst bro, your hamster needs a drink. ;)

[–]iopq -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

I'm beta as fuck and I didn't even grow up here. I've done muay thai and BJJ for about 18 months which didn't make me stronger, and after that I started lifting. I've been lifting for like 4 years, but I've only made gains after maybe the first 7 months.

But I'm still beta and I will remain beta. It's not something you can change. I have a friend who's alpha and it's fucking ridiculous. It's like he's on something 24/7. I just don't have the energy to be that pumped up all the time.

[–]Primemale 2 points3 points  (4 children)

> But I'm still beta and I will remain beta. It's not something you can change. I have a friend who's alpha and it's fucking ridiculous. It's like he's on something 24/7. I just don't have the energy to be that pumped up all the time.

Chicken or the egg? i.e. does the high energy you speak of cause the alpha like behaviour or is does the alpha like behaviour create the ''energy'' you speak of? Well quite honestly, it's both, this is why many people on TRP often speak of the ''fake it to make it'' mentality.

My point here is that as pook said (and I agree) ''as you think, you shall become'' And you calling yourself a beta, and saying ''I just don't have the energy to be that pumped up all the time'' is exactly what perpetuates the cycle. You need a circuit break, something that gets you out of this beta cycle.

1)have some genuine fun every day, laugh and feel good.(this is important, it will help generate that ''energy'' which is probably dopamine and testosterone) primarily.

2) push your boundaries in some way, (I appreciate it may be something small for you at first) socially, physically,mentally, perhaps pertaining to work.

3) Take some time on your looks and clothes and of course general SMV (this will help you to feel confident and generate self esteem.

I'm surprised that you say you do, BJJ (unless that stands for ''blowjobs for jack'') and have been lifting for 4 years and yet you still talk about yourself as such a beta. You really need to push yourself in these activities i.e. if you are going to the gym and doing a few light curls/along with some light reps on the machines etc, you obviously won't be stimulating the various hormones/neurotransmitters that will aid you in your journey to cultivating your masculinity, lift as though you are a spartan warrior training for battle, that's the only way to lift. or you can go home and suck your momas titty and curl back up into the foetal position and climb back into her womb, where you can stay NICE AND COMFORTABLE

[–]iopq -1 points0 points  (3 children)

I actually overdid it and had shoulder impingement. I was benching 185lbsx5 for three sets at my best.

I also injured my back doing leg press (I used to do squats and I guess my leg press form was bad). I can't do squats or deadlifts seriously anymore.

But no, working out, getting a girlfriend, making money, nothing changed the fact that I'm beta. I'm still an in-shape beta with a girlfriend and money. It changed nothing in terms of how I feel inside.

[–]Primemale -1 points0 points  (1 child)

See my post below in reply to ''butensuit'' about testosterone, your perpetual beta mentality is affecting your testosterone (amongst other hormones) and will be one factor in your low confidence. It's nigh on impossible to have high levels of natural testosterone and dopamine etc. and feel bad or ''beta'' The nearest way to describe how guys like me feel (most of the time) it's like being on a moderate dose of ecstasy, lowered inhibitions, high confidence, extreme happiness, a strong feeling of wanting to DO STUFF and SEARCH OUT OPPORTUNITIES. I tell you this so you know what to manipulate in order to create a positive feedback cycle, like I mentioned earlier, CHICKEN OR THE EGG? Do you understand?

[–]iopq -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Who said I had low confidence? Who said I feel bad?

I'm just naturally low key.

[–]troll16 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

endocrinologist

rich Piana video

5% do whatever it takes, if you're dick doesn't hang below your balls your not redpill or a 5percenter #killit

[–]yamajama -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

This made me very proud! I'm new to TRP, but I picked up on /u/gaylubeoil's use of classic marketing techniques right away.

Using fear to scare her audience, trying to place herself in a position of authority, which works extra well in this case due to the content.

Proclaiming that "hater's are just the failures", which is a beta defense that she uses to shield herself from criticize. By saying "I just triggered some insecure faggot into blasting "I'm not a beta" into the comments in an effort to make himself feel better." what she is really doing is trying to scare people from calling out her bullshit. We can play this game too, because an "alpha as fuck" guy doesn't need to validate herself from some "hater", right? (lol, but I betcha this will trigger /u/gaylubeoil into some defensive rage "whaaaa I am so a real alpha!"

Using the exclusivity principal ("Not everyone has this").

Everything is grounded close to reality, but just slightly... off. Using a tumblr pick as evidence for a grander theory, telling us her troll height gf is stronger than us, this "alpha as fuck" "guy" who spends hours a day trolling around reddit, stories of how all these people fail, but the promise to strangers that they somehow might have it in them to succeed, like /u/gaylubeoil believes in a bunch of people that she doesn't know.

And then I saw it, at the bottom of the post, an ad... yep, this is all a classic ad, following the same formula as the "here in my garage" guy. Watch the video from Here in my Garage, then re-read this ad, and tell me that it isn't the EXACT same formula.

I will give her credit though, because this chick is alpha'ing all you losers by taking your hard earned beta bucks.

/thread

[–]goremote -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Clever with the shirts. The only ones who will want to buy them are the ones you've written the post for. Is it meant to elucidate or just put your tongue in your cheek?

[–]RPmatrix -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Damn, GLO when's me "Perfect Purple/SuperSigma" shirt coming out?"

I want one without sleeves, a 'muscle shirt' ... obviously

btw, yeah, pretty cool intro, however there is a 'middle ground' you're not talking to bro, and PPD is a very real thing at the moment, think of it as a 'transitional period'

hmmm "I'll have one of those Super Sigma muscle shirts in Perfect Purple ... Yeah! that one with the pink nipply spots!" Sweeeeet! I gots me some GLO wear! :D

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p.s. seriously bro, I think you should have a lube range, I mean like .. duh! ;D