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Guy on r/tinder spits truth about the brutal reality of dating. Welcome to female hypergamy 101. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by needsomehelp3211

Summary: OP on r/ tinder has been on 35 Tinder dates so far, banged a lot of them too. His time among the tinderellas has given him insight into how these girls effortlessly manipulate betas while submitting to alphas.


Here is the link. As the summary stated, dude has been scoring like crazy on Tinder the past few months, and today he decided to share a bit about what he learned regarding the true nature of women. Instead of rambling on about it, I'll just deconstruct his discoveries line by line, and together we'll appreciate the pure RedPill truth of it all:

if she has no photos showing her complete body, she is fat. if you are not sure if she is fat or not, she is fat.

Despite years of feminist tantrums and whining, men are (and never will be) attracted to unhealthy, fat women. Subconsciously understanding this harsh truth, some overweight girls turn to deception in order to get close to an alpha. They take close-ups of just their face. They take convenient "myspace angle" photos to hide the tummy and double chin. Proof that human nature is human nature. No amount of pro-fat indoctrination is going to change what men are attracted to. And these girls, sadly, understand that.

some girls go to two dates in the same day or night, when she feels like first guy is not what she is looking for, she just jump into bed with the second guy, dont be the first guy. I have had couple of girls admitting they were on the date before they are meeting up with me, the first guy buys drinks and dinner and warmed her up and I get the reward.

I'll take "branch-swinging" for $500, Alex. This is well-documented behavior straight up from the TRP sidebar. Spread some honey and get a beta to come close to you, take his money and dinner and drinks... then happily run off into the muscular arms of Brad, who invites you over to his frat where he can bang you all night. If you buy a girl dinner, you are taking the risk that she sees you as a beta meal ticket.

I usually set my dates in week days to keep weekends to myself some girls will say they need to wake up early in the morning so they cant stay long, almost all the girls say that, just ignore it or say that you also wake up early for work, it is just a standard defense mechanism, if they really like you they will make the sacrifice off sleeping little bit less just for one day.

Shit tests, anti-slut defense, call it whatever... basically, girls don't know what the fuck they want. "But, but, but I have to be back by early morning. We are definitely not having sex tonight!" she'll say proddingly while snuggling close to you at the bar after a few drinks. She just wants to know that you'll hold frame and not bend to her bullshit. Just smile, make up some witty one liner and take her home anyway. For the right guy, she'll be more than happy to wake up a little earlier next morning to get to the office.

There was a girl who was engaged, and she told me that after we slept, I felt sorry for the guy.

And of course, while you're doing all that I described above, Chuckles the Beta is sighing and staring at his watch while doodling around on Netflix. Wondering what's taking his fiancee so long. Didn't she say she was just going out to have a little fun with "her girlfraaans", and that she'd be back by 11?

TL;DR: Tinder is a raw landscape of SMV and RedPill truths. If you ever doubt what we have to say on this subreddit, go make an account and see for yourself how girls deploy hypergamy, branch-swinging, alphafuxbetabux, etc in full force.


[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 344 points345 points  (176 children)

What struck me first was the suspicious lack of any women protesting even one word he said down in the comments section. Silence can oftentimes signal the loudest voice of agreement.

[–]1favours_of_the_moon 192 points193 points  (93 children)

What struck me first was the suspicious lack of any women protesting even one word he said down in the comments section. Silence can oftentimes signal the loudest voice of agreement.

It's weird. Most women and girls ALREADY KNOW everything we talk about here. They see it and live it plain as day. Sure, they lie about it, but they know it's true.

[–]Not_even_tryna_troll 105 points105 points [recovered]

This is absolutely true.

I learned this when I asked my sister a few months ago how she would act if she was a man. What she described was TRP to the t.

[–]DarkMeds 75 points76 points  (42 children)

I had the privilege of dating a girl with absolutely zero girl-filter. I'm talking none whatsoever. Any question I'd ask consistently got straight-man-talk responses. It blew my mind at the time.

A small sample, roughly paraphrased:

  • "If he was a real man, she wouldn't even consider cheating, so don't worry too much about it"
  • "OMG you are so dumb - you're already at her place, you can basically do whatever you want at that point. Just grab her! - girls love that stuff!"
  • "LOL, let's be honest, I'm the one in control. I'm super hot and he knows it! All I have to do is send him nudes and I've got him" (and she did)
  • "I prefer older men, they're more 'mature'" (when I chuckled at 'mature') she responds with:
  • "Tee Hee, yeaaaaah, they have more money! Tee Hee"

That's just a small sample. I'd write more but I'm heading out to work. It's one thing to read the sidebar...It's something else entirely when you hear it face to face.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (17 children)

Sounds like a hair dresser I fucked in NC. She had no filter either. Made for really interesting convos on similar topics.

[–]DarkMeds 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Bizarre, this particular example is also a hairdresser who frequents NYC...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

North Carolina. Though she does travel a bit for doing weddings.

[–]DarkMeds 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not her - but then who knows with this girl. I'm not even sure of her birthname... Haha!

[–]StrokeGameHusky -3 points-2 points  (13 children)

Plating a military chick atm, she's completely no filter, interesting convos. First night we hung out, told me about her nipple rings.

The next morning-> "I usually make guys wear condoms, but I don't know why I didn't with you..."

"I never fuck on the first night, but you're just different"

(yes I know she's a complete whore)

But her saying that shit made me laugh, in my head I was thinking "She bangs way too many betas" (If those statements are truthful at all) and it's textbook TRP

[–]scrubzor 18 points19 points  (7 children)

Ddduuuuudddeeee don't fuck chicks raw. Come on man, you're asking for trouble. I know it doesn't feel as good but it's the smart thing to do. Just looking out for you bro.

If you haven't tried Trojan Bearskin condoms, they will change your life!!! Seriously. I gave a couple to my friend to bang a chick with on a Friday night, the next day he went out of his way to call me to thank me for turning him onto them. Pretty much blew him away. And this is a guy who usually goes raw dog.

[–]1aguy01 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Trojan Bearskin

That's sounds way worse than the Bareskin condoms.

[–]StrokeGameHusky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll give them a try, I'm usually a raw guy myself, older I get more and more I know I should use them.

She's only 20 but I can tell she has taken a wild ride on the CC early on in her life. Nips and clit pierced, and she has a shit load of male friends (military). I'm not about to wife her up or anything close to that, we just have good sex.

As soon as she starts to be more of an annoyance than fun, she gown.

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[–]scrubzor 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's not sarcasm lol. Banging chicks raw is just asking for trouble and a bad habit to get into. I just looked it up and the military only tests for HIV, once a year.

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[–]ryno55 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Care to explain why it's different for military chicks? Is it just their ticket out?

Had a hot as fuck army girl for one night, didn't understand why she seemed so fucking cool with letting me try to get her pregnant.

Edit: Not a fool, wrapped the tool.

[–]StrokeGameHusky -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I honestly hope you're not speaking from experience. But she had her period yesterday ;)

[–]fortifiedoranges 0 points1 point  (0 children)

military women are beyond promiscuous bro. you're lucky your dick hasn't fallen off yet.

[–]slutnip 0 points1 point  (21 children)

"If he was a real man, she wouldn't even consider cheating, so don't worry too much about it"

This is 100% true unless shes on her CC phase but no man would date her seriously so its a win/win

[–]DarkMeds 16 points17 points  (20 children)

Don't be so sure. This particular individual is the most Machiavellian female I've seen in my entire life.

She continues to ride the CC while playing her current 'boyfriend' of 2 years like a fiddle. The man is some kind of traveling scientist type (unsure about details), very very successful and absolutely dotes on her. He pays for vacations, plane tickets and her apartment. She distanced herself from me and unplated herself when he unexpectedly visited her. What follows is epic social manipulation that quite frankly, I'm impressed with.

She immediately deletes her Facebook profile without hesitation; she doesn't want to risk him discovering her 'vacation' pics with various Chad Thundercocks, but still wants that sweet sweet CC so she creates a new Facebook profile just for her plates - obviously without using a real name or identifiable information.

Then, I swear to god (she showed me the official documents) she legally changes her name and adopts a completely false cultural heritage, claiming that she's of "Eastern European" descent. I'm assuming she did this to take advantage of the "Eastern European women are better" cliche and further lock him down.

I mean, this is just...I've never seen anything like it in my life. This guy has no idea what he's up against. From his perspective she's an angelic Russian virgin who believes in true love, marriage, family and standing by your man.

sigh...I really wish she hadn't unplated me. This woman is so absolutely terrifying that she give me the tingles... LoL

[–]throwaway40yo_V 17 points18 points  (15 children)

Look at you, getting your panties wet for a fucking monster. "Machiavellian" my ass, she is lying, rutting pig who happens to be hot.

[–]DarkMeds -3 points-2 points  (14 children)

Anger much?

You forgot extremely narcissistic and intelligent. She's a hairdresser soon to be lawyer. Definitely no ones fool and ambitious to boot.

A monster? Perhaps. Machiavelli himself wouldn't endorse her behavior as morally acceptable, and neither do I.

But this is TRP and sexual strategy is Amoral. She gets it. Perhaps you could learn from her? I know I have.

And yes, she happens to be hot. LoL.

[–]Sdom1 10 points11 points  (0 children)

A hairdresser soon to be lawyer? Sure she is. Just like she's an angelic Russian virgin, right? She sounds like a pathological liar. I mean, it's cool, keep banging her, but if she told you it was sunny outside, you should go check.

[–]Drogoe -2 points-2 points [recovered]

You sound deluded by her hotness; see: the Halo Effect.

She sounds like a wretched cunt who gets off on lying and manipulation. What she's done isn't that hard or impressive.

[–]DarkMeds 3 points4 points  (11 children)

Notice my posts draw from her behaviors, not her looks. I'm unashamedly impressed by her audacity and cunning.

What she's done isn't that hard or impressive.

The sheer audacity and web of lies she's constructed to lock down her BB is impressive. So I respectfully disagree. Don't tell me you've never been grudgingly impressed by a master con artist? Because it at least takes balls to change your name and identity for personal gain.

[–]slutnip 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Read what I said again....

This is 100% true unless shes on her CC phase but no man would date her seriously so its a win/win

You just agreed with what I said while disagreeing... weird.... fyi, i use the term man you can interchange it with 'alpha'

I couldnt pull a chick that isnt on her CC phase dating an 'alpha' or man 95% if I tried

[–]DarkMeds 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, I see. I suspected I misread your post. So we're on the same page then.

[–]rundownweather -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Shieeet. You've got to respect that level of dedication. I think you could learn a lot from her in order to improve your game.

[–]jpepper07 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

You should be careful, that is a dude. You are talking to a tranny!

source: https://youtu.be/hKWmFWRVLlU?t=43

[–]DarkMeds 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have no idea. Fun fact: "bro" slipped out a couple times while doing the nasty..Yes I'm serious. And no, she's not a tranny. But if she was, well...Best looking tranny EVAR.

:)

[–]newls 31 points32 points  (39 children)

Out of curiosity what did she say?

[–]Not_even_tryna_troll 118 points118 points [recovered]

My sisters a few years younger than me, but we have a good relationship and shes the only person I can talk about anything with.

One thing that stuck out to me was her view on money and how she wouldn't spend a cent on "most of these bitches." I laughed at this, but she got serious and told me to stop paying for anyone if I was. The fact that women and men both work now is enough reason to handle your own finances. Ironically, she barely spends a cent of her own, but I guess that just means she knows how to play the game from her position.

She then went on to discuss how she wouldn't bother chasing women individually and that she would want a diverse crowd of women to choose from. "Girls show their friends everything, like EVERYTHING. I just keep texts to the minimum word count."

Before I found TRP, I had a talk with her about my gf at the time and I decided to break up with my gf. My sister told me I was collecting value with my career choices and this girl was coming along for the ride and this girl would not keep up. A bit cold blooded, but the way she described it resonated with me and I found TRP 2 months later.

[–]GuruDev1000 32 points33 points  (2 children)

I never thought about how women would think and behave if they had to play the man's role. I don't know if your sister is a bit different from other women, but her answer to you was excellent. Thanks for sharing.

[–]Papahoff25 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You could only get a girl to say this to you if she was family. They know how other women work subconsciously even if they don't like to rationalize it into logical speech. Edit: changed thought to speech

[–]esco_ 41 points42 points  (14 children)

See, this is a good example of a woman showing logical, rational thinking

Take note some of you dummies who claim women cannot think logically. It's commonly spouted, and some of the most ignorant and illogical shit on this sub

[–]holytrpbatman 4 points5 points  (0 children)

She was being honest with her brother. She didn't use logic, she told him the truth from her vantage point. Note OP indicated his sister does not pay for much of anything. She plays the game, and simply told a male what females wish to keep on the DL. As a general rule, women don't use logic, they use feelings with an essence of logic.

[–]NidStyles 21 points22 points  (9 children)

They can when it suits their interest and are not under pressure. Otherwise, no they can't.

[–]Triple_DP 28 points29 points  (3 children)

There is a difference between inability and unwillingness. You claim it's the former, but the latter is closer to reality.

[–]zxDanKwan 13 points14 points  (1 child)

This right here.

It's not that they "can't," it's that they "won't."

[–]NidStyles 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is because they can't. The tingles are a thing because they can't stay rational under pressure. This whole sub is about understanding this part of their nature and using it to our advantage ffs.

Too many of you need to read more of the sidebar

[–]WAFC 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Oh cool, we have white knights now.

[–]1aguy01 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There is a massive difference between sitting down and reflecting on things and making decisions in the moment. Sure a woman can 'think', but in the moment she is a slave to her emotions. Most women cannot think logically in the moment.

[–]shhRP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutes, friends. TRP doesn't hold absolutely for every situation for every woman and every man. There are always exceptions to rules (especially in human behavior). Some people are wired differently.

[–]Mightyskunk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My dread girl and I sometimes go out for lunch, now less than before due to wife's protest. She makes the same as I do, but has paid for all but one meal. When I take lunch at work, she sometimes slips in just as I'm about to pay and swipes her card. She asks me, "what else am I gonna spend it on?"

No unicorn, but a real good girl. Nothing's happened with us yet, but it could real easily. She has already made that clear to me.

[–]hamstercide -1 points0 points  (16 children)

I like how this comment gets upvoted (and rightly so) but in any other thread about advice from women you hear the stupid "you don't ask a fish how to fish" mantra. Way to be, TRP.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 25 points26 points  (13 children)

A broken clock can be right twice a day. Nevertheless, a sister isn't the same as a random woman when it comes to advice. Your sister is going to share some of your genes (50%?) with you so she's more likely to care about your interests. Even with family members, many female family members feed the guys bullshit. It is a sheer anomaly she is open with him. I find the problem with most guy's logic, such as yours, is that you believe if there is one exception to anything, then the generalisation is disproved by the exception.

But it isn't. If anything, the exception proves the need for a generalisation because it's an exception. If it were more common, the generalisation would not apply and we would not use it. If we say "Africa is hot" and you go there the one day in the year it's cold, does that mean Africa is not hot? No. It means you encountered the exception to the rule. This is the thing, the most consistent of phenomenon is not necessarily fact, but merely extremely common as to be close to fact. We call that a maxim.

Don't confuse what we perpetuate to be a maxim (a principle) as an axiom (a fact.) Essentially, what you thought was fact was just a principle (which means it can be wrong sometimes, but rarely is) and is thus safe to operate on.

Make sense? Good.

[–]rpscrote 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Like they say, the exception proves the rule.

[–]hatertauts 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Thanks for making the distinction between axiom and maxim. Just got done reading Rousseau's Emile (lot of red pill truths in that book btw, idealistic as it may seem), and currently reading Augustine. Both state a fair few maxims without ever really defining what a maxim is.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Glad to help. To be honest, other than maths or very specific chemical reactions in very specific conditions, most things aren't axiomatic. Maths is axiomatic and hard sciences lean toward building ideas off axioms. The softer the science, the more what they're reporting is a maxim rather than an axiom. Sure they can include the biology of behaviour to try and keep things axiomatic on a very refined and singular level, but when you combine multiple hormones, gene expressions and stimuli and try to predict behaviour you invariably end up with a maxim rather than an axiom.

[–]hatertauts 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Honestly, anyone who's ever read a decent neuroscience text will tell you that at the nt and neural pathway level, things get too complicated for behavior predicting. Best you can do is something along the lines of: depression is frequently correlated with heightened hpa axis activity or missing a temporal lobe usually means you'll have some serious memory deficits. I guess the latter is a maxim. Idk if the former is even that.

[–]BeautyQuark 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pretty much this. Most people that say all white's are racist actually mean that they accept the maxims as an axioms. Which in turn supports the maxims that white's believe.

It is both a maxim and axiom to say that black's are more likely to be caught breaking the law then any other race in America. Therefore, it is a correct maxim to say that white's should be nervous over crime in black neighborhoods. However, this rule is not an axiom as some wealthy neighborhoods are black and not dangerous. Why? As high socioeconomic status is a greater predictor of the likelihood of prevalence of open criminal behavior.

[–]hamstercide -1 points0 points  (3 children)

OK. In the past I've gotten good advice on how to deal with girls from my mother, who looked out for me. I thought this "fisherman" thing was supposed to be a universality so I never saw it applicable to me because I don't ask strange girls about relationships.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If any woman in the world truly gives a fuck about you, it's your mother. Women as a whole and your mother are completely separate. Of course, one must be careful of the mother who means well but gives the worst advice. I'm sure many guys with single mothers have fallen for this shit. Thinking "mum loves me, she's experienced, so the advice is probably good." But the advice sucks and you have no alternative for comparison, so you're fucked, condemned to shit advice and cluelessness.

Even with your mother, she hasn't had to date women or live as a man, so she can't give you a male perspective. This is really what we mean when we say you don't ask a fish how to catch fish, you ask a fisherman.

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[–]tylerf89 1 points1 points [recovered]

Yep, i'm interested in what she has to say too.

[–]CarlJungler 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Most women and girls ALREADY KNOW everything we talk about here. They see it and live it plain as day.

I'm not so sure about this. After years of frustration in trying to call out some of these behaviors (prior to finding this community), I honestly believe that a large portion of women don't know what they're doing.

They're just following instincts and instant gratification.

[–]DarkMeds 2 points3 points  (1 child)

From my experience (see above, and many others) I no longer ride the "Females only act on instincts" train. I believe they know exactly what they're doing and why, similar to how we digest and apply TRP principles.

Women are simply better at hiding their capabilities and exploiting common male assumptions.

They intimately follow the 3d Law: Conceal Your Intentions

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Interesting to note that this is probably due to ample female spaces and vicious attacks on all male spaces.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup. Which is why we shouldn't feel bad about learning it, right? We need to gain 1 up over them, instead of them having 1 up over us.

[–]Linrraba 35 points36 points  (3 children)

Well, it's a hook up app. The assumption is they're there to slut up.

[–]orangutan_innawood 32 points33 points  (0 children)

This. It's tinder truth that applies to people who use tinder. Tinder is full of shallow slutty people who wants to fuck (and fuck efficiently), male and female. I mean, nothing wrong with being slutty, but let's not pretend it's something groundbreaking or over extrapolate, shall we?

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[–]laughkisskill 66 points67 points  (70 children)

There's a phrase for this.

"Silence is the soft consent"

[–]Linrraba 90 points91 points  (67 children)

Just spotted a feminist comment there. Someone complaining because he bailed on a date with a girl that confessed she had fucked 7 guys in 10 dates.

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[–]hectortamerofwhores 15 points16 points  (35 children)

I'd complain too; 7 out of 10 are good fucking odds to turn your nose up at.

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[–]1aguy01 3 points4 points  (1 child)

70% of the 5% of guys she swiped yes to.

[–]Elodrian -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

So by lowering her batting average to 0.636, are you improving her quality?

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    [–]chillmonkey88 20 points21 points  (0 children)

    Knighterino... of the white section.

    [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 60 points61 points  (26 children)

    See I don't think Id've bailed on her. Hickeys and an explicit admission of taking 7 dicks in 10 days? Shit, fuck ditching her. I'm bringing her back to my place, dimming the lights, cranking up the Polk speakers, popping open a fresh bottle of spiced rum, and inviting some friends over.

    We're gonna play some Monopoly, and that slut is about to become the B&O Railroad.

    [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (25 children)

    I agree with your premise on the surface, but there's a huge problem with gaming whores...

    What if the slut has STDs? You're pretty much asking for a couple if you hit that.

    [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 39 points40 points  (21 children)

    I have really, really good health insurance.

    [–]esco_ 7 points8 points  (5 children)

    what does health insurance do for herpes?

    [–]1whatsazipper 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Or drug resistant gonorrhea.

    [–]4nn1h1l4tor -1 points0 points  (3 children)

    You have type 1 herpes anyway.

    [–]1RPAlternate42 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    That's like saying, "I get UTIs every now and then..."

    As an excuse to get gonorrhea.

    [–]4nn1h1l4tor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Yeah no. People just say "herpes" all the time without knowing what herpes actually is, how many people have it, what the symptoms are, aaaand comparing herpes to gonorrhea....is not a valid comparison.

    [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (10 children)

    Does it cover HIV cocktails?

    [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 38 points39 points  (3 children)

    Of course it does. Obamacare does not allow exclusions for medically necessary treatment. Source, I'm a health insurance agent.

    [–][deleted] 63 points64 points  (2 children)

    Hmm..Now we can fuck all the sluts we want. Thanks Obama!

    [–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (5 children)

    Do you know the odds of getting HIV from straight sex (as a man)? The CDC doesn't even list stats for it, that's how rare it is.

    [–]PotatosAreDelicious 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    The biggest spreader of HIV is sharing needles.

    [–]Lt_Muffintoes[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I thought that too, but It's actually homosexual males, by a staggering margin. Danger and play had an article on it.

    [–]rpkarma 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Besides, everyone ends up with herpes sooner or later

    [–]1whatsazipper -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Some of them lead to cancer (HPV: oral cancer), others are becoming antibiotic resistant (gonorrhea).

    Don't be stupid.

    [–]HellbillyDeluxe -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    Is your user name an allusion to a town in Virginia by chance?

    [–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    Old Arabic proverb :

    "She who doesn't protest ... gets pregnant"

    (Well, it was about livestock. But it's a euphemism for this concept)

    [–]Captain_Self_Promotr 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    IIRC, it's "Silence Gives Consent" taken from the latin phrase "Qui tacet consentire", used most famously in Sir Thomas Moore's defence during the Protestant Reformation. Popularized in the book/play A Man for All Seasons.

    [–]TehFuggernaut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I'm new to this Tinder thing - but I've been on 3 dates, and every girl went home with me. Granted, 2 dates were 4 hours long and we clicked, and the third I could tell the girl wanted my balls down her throat within 10 minutes of sending her a message (met her at a bar at midnight, had 1 drink and told her I was leaving, she could join if she wanted).

    [–]pahispua 52 points53 points  (13 children)

    Ha, have you seen his comments on that thread? He's one of us.

    [–]Linrraba 23 points24 points  (8 children)

    Or he listen to Tom Leykis. I've heard many of those tips on his show.

    [–]KeithStone30rack 12 points13 points  (7 children)

    Tom Leykis is the man. Leykis 101, been going for over 20 years I believe.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

    Fat and ugly, keeps getting married. What an inspiration

    [–]1RPAlternate42 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    Yeah, I never understood the TRP draw to him... his words say one thing but his actions speak volumes in the opposite... and he's obese and hard to look at.

    [–]Linrraba 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    What draws me to him is the same we were discussing about Bill Burr two days ago. They're not role models or mentors. They're just sharing their experience and the knowledge that came of it. Leykis divorced 4 times. His second wife not only cheated on him but also used him to get into the tv business. From that he came with the tenets of leykis 101.

    [–]1RPAlternate42 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    And then he married again... twice.

    Practice and preach and all that.

    [–]Linrraba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    He has flaws as everybody else and is honest about it. I can only respect that.

    [–]KeithStone30rack 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    You can either listen and learn lessons from his experience, or you can behave like an immature woman and waste your time.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Lol I think he's a loser, I can take lessons from people who aren't fat ugly and make the same mistake over and over

    [–]Hunter2isit 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    I think he may be a recent adopter but its hard to tell from his comment history as he has gaps in the past year.

    [–]pahispua 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Most people use alts to browse here.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Someone said "incel" in the comments. The only other place I've seen someone say that is The Rational Male.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 42 points43 points  (5 children)

    if she has no photos showing her complete body, she is fat.

    I've learned this the hard way as well.

    And you really have to watch out for that MySpace angle. I've been fooled by that angle one too many times. Full-body photo, looks so damn hot, but turns out to be a land whale.

    some girls will say they need to wake up early in the morning so they cant stay long, almost all the girls say that, just ignore it or say that you also wake up early for work, it is just a standard defense mechanism, if they really like you they will make the sacrifice off sleeping little bit less just for one day.

    Women will come up with a billion excuses not to go home with you, but if they like you, you can usually swat away the excuses pretty easily. At that point, it's just a matter of not giving a stupid answer.

    [–]Reddthrown 10 points11 points  (4 children)

    [–]other_worlds 14 points15 points  (2 children)

    Still hiding her flabby belly in every photo. I'd still hit it, but I'm in my 40s with a vasectomy.

    [–]blkav8tr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    What does a vasectomy have to do with anything?

    [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    I have to admit I’ve been with girls her size and it’s been fun.

    [–]ASK_ME_WHY_IM_EVIL 91 points92 points  (18 children)

    when a girl implies that she is broke, use caution to before you buy drinks or food, you dont have to pay for anything. I met couple of girls in a pretty bad financial shape who just go out to dates to make guys pay for their food and booze. So I would look for hints, if she admits that next couple of days she will be going to dates, just get up , pay only your part of the check and leave, you deserve better.....

    I especially love this one. My neighbor has been opening up a bit more to me lately and she shared that she is literally buying zero food or drinks this weekend because she has a date Friday evening for dinner & drinks, a date Saturday for lunch, a date Saturday night for dinner & drinks, and a date Sunday for lunch.

    She's literally eating free all weekend and all she had to do was boot up Plenty of Fish and let some dudes buy her shit. It's crazy.

    [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 70 points71 points  (1 child)

    But I thought we live in a patriarchy where women are completely disadvantaged and have the worst lives imaginable?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyZ9ss-bCUY

    [–]Lhtfoot 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    "Don't you dare ruin this for us, asshole!" ~ Womyn

    [–]magus678 35 points36 points  (14 children)

    She's literally eating free all weekend and all she had to do was boot up Plenty of Fish and let some dudes buy her shit.

    I will be totally honest, I'm totally jealous that hot women can do this.

    Sometimes when I see the amount of free shit, extreme consideration, and just overall 1st class citizen treatment attractive women get it is a little much, even as someone who is in on the joke, so to speak.

    Its like being born into old money or something. Just luck of the genetic lottery.

    [–]daprospecta 30 points31 points  (4 children)

    Don't envy it because it is short term. Could you imagine getting used to that lifestyle and then over a span of a few years, it's gone?

    [–]AlcohoIicSemenThrowe 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Unless they play their cards right and marry a millionaire.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Better to have love and lost than to never have loved at all.

    [–]enjoyit7 13 points14 points  (4 children)

    Don't be jealous, you can become a TRP version of her. Even in high school I would see the older alphas spinning wealthy plates. Getting these girls for more than $20 dinners. These girls were buying these guys designer clothes and expensive jewelry. Granted some of them were the best ball players in the state but these girls didn't know a free throw from a jump shot. These girls were (are) addicted to confidence. One of the regular guys who was cut from tryouts every year ended up emulating the confidence of the ball players and had one of these girls leasing him a Range Rover. If that's the life you want it can definitely be lived.

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      [–]enjoyit7 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Yup idk how maybe her parents leased it for her. Yet he drove it all the time. They were obviously in a pretty committed relationship.

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        [–]enjoyit7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Society has definitely lost control. We've made amazing progress in psychology. Marketers use that to their advantage. So many things that are the norm today only exist because of marketing.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        The trick is to up your own SMV until girls are your orbiters constantly buying you food and gifts. It's a really interesting feeling when she has one of her orbiters doing favors for you, all the while hoping to get in her pants. It's a whole new world man, things are better than ever for the top echelons of men.

        [–]magus678 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        If the girl wants to do things for me, great. I wouldn't be able to have her supplicants doing that though. Just feels too dirty.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Sometimes they insist. If some dude wants to do my laundry then whatever, I ain't gonna stop him.

        [–]foldpak111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        You need to look at your life as if it's a tree. The roots are the struggle, and the tree itself is the positives. Look at those with their roots such as Chris Gardner. Now look at child stars such as Lindsay Lohan and McCauley Culkin, or women that have been clubbing heavily for 5 years. They just tip the fuck over. It's really nothing to be jealous of. I'm currently making 11 an hour and I just love the process, because I know I'm going to be wealthy due to recent connections I've made. I've got my roots and by the tone of your post, you do too. So if you get it, those roots are going to keep that wealth in place.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        This is why I've never taken a date to dinner (unless it was someone I was already fucking).. I've let girls share pitchers of beer with our table before, but that's about it.

        [–]javi404 51 points52 points  (17 children)

        Didn't she say she was just going out to have a little fun with "her girlfraaans", and that she'd be back by 11?

        Haha, this right here is something that happened to me many many many years ago and was the moment I went TRP without even knowing it.

        [–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (16 children)

        http://therationalmale.com/2012/08/27/girls-night-out/

        Any time your girl goes on "Girls Night Out", it's a shit test of the highest order.

        [–]javi404 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        Ha, yep. And in my early twenties I failed it miserably.

        [–]StrokeGameHusky 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        After reading that yes, yes I fucked up.

        [–]TheDialecticParadox 12 points13 points  (5 children)

        Thanks for the link. Is GNO in the red-pill glossary? If it isn't, it should be added. I'll admit I would have had no idea how to most appropriately tackle this scenario.

        [–]Lhtfoot 2 points3 points  (4 children)

        I second that: As a 33 yr old vet, I'm still not 100% on how to deal with this.

        [–]1KyfhoMyoba 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        Immediately, immediately up your value (lift, diet, immerse in hobbies, etc) and start to implement the 12 stages of Dread. Game.

        You may have to skip a couple of stages, if time is short.

        [–]TheDialecticParadox 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        I guess it depends on the situation though. Girls can do the GNO while still being heavily invested in a relationship.

        My girlfriend went to a different state to visit her parents last year and went to a few parties while she was over there, one in particular on new years eve she was messaging me non-stop, rang me twice, sent me like 20 snaps, and even left the party to talk to me in private when I called her back.

        Near the end of our relationship when I became more beta, she would go out more frequently, dress more slutty, and I would get a lot less texts/snaps if anything at all.

        So compare these two scenarios and I think you'll find that GNO's aren't really a problem if you have frame and lust in your favor.

        [–]1KyfhoMyoba 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        while she was over there, one in particular on new years eve she was messaging me non-stop, rang me twice, sent me like 20 snaps, and even left the party to talk to me in private when I called her back.

        I can't tell you how many times I've read on this sub of guys banging married/taken women that text or call their SO's immediately after coitus with Chad. I have a plate whose live-in BF travels for work once a month for the whole weekend. She always calls him when I'm with her. Obviously, her constant attention and focus on you is better than that when your relationship was on its decline

        This behavior is not dispositive or conclusive.

        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (7 children)

        http://therationalmale.com/2012/08/27/girls-night-out/

        Can you explain to me what he means by "let her go"? I understood it as "break up with her", but then he says that if she calls you just talk normally etc. English is not my first language, can you explain this to me?

        [–]JMCastillo86 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        It means let her go to the event, but be unfazed by it (outcome independence, and abundance mentality are key here). Read the article, it's very self explanatory.

        Act like nothing is wrong, but know that in your mind you've already started to next her and move on. Do not, at any moment, show that you are jealous, possessive, or insecure. Let her hamster fester as you show indifference towards her.

        Remember, a woman’s default is to communicate covertly. When you are indifferent to her proposition of a GNO it sends the message that you are confident enough in your own ability to replace her should she cross that line.

        read the article, slowly, and take notes mon ami.

        [–]e50000 4 points5 points  (5 children)

        The way I understand it, is if your girl wants to go on a girls night out. Let her go out. Don't stop her, don't try and one up her. Be indifferent. He only mentions breaking up with her or nexting her if this is a common occurrence.

        Being a confident man means you are the type of man she will not want to cheat on.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

        okay, I get it now, but this brings me to another question: So what if she eventually cheats the first time she goes out? then I just continue as if nothing happens?

        [–]e50000 3 points4 points  (3 children)

        If a girl cheats on you then you hard next her.

        Edit: hard next means you break up and go no contact. She doesn't deserve an explanation or reason. Delete her from your phone social network and life.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        well but then how are you gonna know if you just let her go? This is where it gets confusing for me.

        [–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Snoop.

        Look at her phone, key-log her/your computer, DNA test her panties.

        [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 104 points105 points  (41 children)

        On social media, always check for shared photos. They lack the photoshop and site filters. It is a reliable verification of her attractiveness.

        Transgression

        During my sophomore year in highschool, a girl, "Jessica", added me on myspace. All her close up and mid body shots seemed quite attractive, I quickly got her number. All Sunday afternoon we sent flirty texts back and forth. At the end, I suggested we 'hang out' after school.

        Afterschool I told her to meet up with me at a location. Being my virgin 15 year old self, I was definitely excited, this seemed easy. Shortly after, she texted, "Do you see me?". I look around, eager to be greeted by the hot blonde I was sure to bang, no sign of her.

        Me: "No, where you at?"

        Her: "You sure? I can see you. I'm wearing a white shirt"

        Me: (Places head on swivel) You sure? I still can't see you. Just meet me at the bus lane." (Walks to bus lane).

        For about two minutes I wait outside my bus, waiting to be greeted by my future first lay. I see a figure in my peripheral vision approaching me on my right flank, the figure speaks to me and I turn, it's a landwhale.

        Landwhale: "Hey"

        Me: "Hey, do I know you?"

        Landwhale: "Yeah, I'm Jessica"

        Me: Fuck. "Hey, whats up?"

        Jessica: "Nothing much"

        Me: "Oh my bus is about to take off, cya"

        The next morning, I get on the bus and a girl I know comes up to me and ask why I ditched Jessica.

        Me: Dude, she's fat.

        Girl: That's so mean. You're so superficial.

        Lessons Learned

        [–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 77 points78 points  (15 children)

        Another old trick: posting a pic of themselves five years and 50 pounds ago. Been hit with that one

        [–]ASK_ME_WHY_IM_EVIL 52 points53 points  (4 children)

        Chicks where I'm at are notorious for this. I got into the online dating in January / February of this year and in the short 30ish days I was trying it out I had four dates where I was caught off guard by a chick using outdated photos.

        How do you expect a dude to NOT walk out on a date when you pull some manipulative shit like that? That's basically outright lying off the rip... and if I came expecting a 6/7 out of 10 and you're a 3 what the fuck makes you think I'm going to stick around?

        [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 56 points57 points  (3 children)

        How do you expect a dude to NOT walk out on a date when you pull some manipulative shit like that?

        It's hamstering of the highest order. I don't fucking get it. They have to know that when the in-person meeting happens, her land whale-esque figure is going to be on full display.

        I chalk it up to nothing more than an up front shit test. She's shit testing you by pretty much daring you to walk away after seeing that she's fat; she's banking that most men won't have the stones to just up and leave.

        Men, have no moral compunctions about ditching these whales. They tried to begin your interaction based on a lie.

        [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        They tried to begin your interaction based on a lie.

        This is an excellent thing to keep in mind. It makes leaving a lot easier.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        It's a simple bait and switch.

        [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 86 points87 points  (1 child)

        This happened to me in a bar last year, and it's a hard learned lesson that I will never forget. I was there waiting, she walks in, and I recognize her face, but immediately realize that her pics were from about 4 years and 50 pounds ago. Luckily enough, she couldn't find me in the crowd, she went to the bathroom, texted to ask where I was at. I was already in the parking lot halfway to my car.

        Gents, no full body pic means FAT. And old pictures also means FAT. These women are narcissistic bitches who constantly snap photos of themselves every damn day. If her Tinder/OKC/Match profile has pics from 3 or 4 years ago, there's a good reason for it.

        [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 12 points13 points  (1 child)

        I had an odd variant of this. Chick had gotten a lot of tattoo work done, none of her photos indicated she had any. She didn't seem to think it mattered.

        [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Oh, but it does. That girl is cute, feminine, her skin is clear of blemishes, and has a nice rack, but then she just had to defile her skin with tattoos. What a shame.

        [–]uberpandajesus 10 points11 points  (2 children)

        I don't understand how this trick would ever work out, maybe they will get a nice guy to feel bad and buy them dinner, can't imagine things going much further than that

        [–]StrokeGameHusky 18 points19 points  (0 children)

        The last thing you want to do is buy her a pity dinner.. You won't be able to pay rent that month after the bill comes

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        "Nice guys" are a whole lot more desperate than that.

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          [–]TitsAndWhiskey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I read "photo" as "potato" no less than 3 times.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          This legion among realtors, lol.

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            [–]Dueperdue 13 points14 points  (1 child)

            This made me laugh so hard.

            [–]JMCastillo86 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            It's so funny, because it's true.

            [–]redpilldiscourse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Where's Waldo* for the confused Americans.

            The rest of the world calls it Where's Wally, ofc, as do I.

            [–]thefisherman1961 41 points42 points  (7 children)

            Girl: That's so mean. You're so superficial.

            You: When's the last time you dated a fat guy? I don't shame you for your dating preferences, so why are you shaming me?

            [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 46 points47 points  (2 children)

            No, it's "when's the last time you dated a fat guy and sexually desired him?"

            That last part's important because a woman will have duty sex with a low SMV man to retain provisioning. To 'debunk' you, she'd have to admit to sexually desiring a low SMV male. Not gonna happen.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 18 points19 points  (1 child)

            No, it's "when's the last time you dated a fat guy and sexually desired him?"

            NO! It's "when's the last time you dated a homeless man?"

            A fat chick is as attractive to a healthy normal man as a homeless man is attractive to a sane normal woman.

            I'm talking scraggly-bearded-smells-like-urine sleeping under a bridge homeless. Don't nobody link me to that homeless NYC Chad that banged NY sluts daily for a roof over his head. Outliers don't disprove the rule.

            [–]norstar1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            You don't need the second line. Just ask the first and stare at the angry/confused mute.

            [–]TheDialecticParadox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            "Yes I am, but at least I don't need to deceive people about what I actually look like."

            [–]1RPAlternate42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Girl: That's so mean. You're so superficial.

            Me: Fine. You get fat and see how superficial YOU are.

            [–]Luckyluke23 3 points4 points  (2 children)

            ROFL I would get that shirt now just because myspace sin't around anymore.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            it technically is, but nobody uses it

            [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            Had something similar happen to me during the myspace days. Chick had fully body shots and everything, but they were all really far away. I was convinced she was under 100lbs from her photos. She was so fucking tiny looking. Thought I'd be meeting a 4'11" 90 pounder or something. We finally meet up and she ends up being 5' 7" and like 180lbs if I had to guess. Her face was nice, the rest of her... was not. Went home early that day.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I don't think it's superficial to have preferences. We want what we want for Christ sake. Some men love fat girls some men don't.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Lmfao that story was funny as fuck.

            [–]Luckyluke23 11 points12 points  (0 children)

            great post man.. though the only think i will say about tinder is: if you aren't an 8 in the looks department. don't bother with it. you will get more results in the club than on tinder

            [–]Polaris382 43 points44 points  (17 children)

            Ive passed up sex plenty in favor of getting sleep. Am I fucked in the head, do I suffer from low T (physique wise it certainly doesnt appear that way)? Who knows, but damn I love to get my sleep.

            [–]Heizenbrg 61 points62 points  (7 children)

            Sex is just a short term relief, no matter how sugar coated the pussy is. Sleep deprivation on the other hand can fucking kill you if on the job or driving..

            [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

            Scientifically, sleep deprivation is no different than being drunk.

            [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

            I stayed up all night last night and I was fucking retarded.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Yeah it turns me into a complete idiot too. Nowadays, I'll turn I'm as soon as I'm sleepy, don't care if it's 730.

            [–]1GroundhogLiberator 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            If you asked me two years ago if I'd give up two hours of sleep for the chance to fuck some girl, I'd say yes in a heartbeat. Since I started working full time and waking up at 6:00? She'd have to be pretty fucking hot.

            [–]Heizenbrg 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            She'd have to be pretty fucking hot. And offer you a ride to work.

            [–]marrio91 37 points38 points  (3 children)

            You do you. Spending the night doing what you want to do, and not what others say you should do is at the heart of this community.

            [–]magus678 9 points10 points  (1 child)

            Exactly correct.

            Most people come here because of a lack/frustration with women, and so most of the conversation is centered on that. But at its core its about learning to make yourself happy, and once you have corrected the glaring deficiencies sometimes you might find out it isn't the only thing you care about anymore.

            [–]marrio91 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Yep, people see us as a hate filled group, or some odd versions of pick up artists or fedora wearing 'im so hot, bitches aint shit' type guys, and while a part of the community is that, that's not us as a whole.

            I used to spin plates way above where I was physically and mentally at the time. I didn't swallow the pill yet but just learned from a young age to not let anybody, women or men, pull bullshit on me. And while it's fun and a good time, and fucking 8's and 9's is certainly a great way to spend the days, by and large I'd rather just not. It takes energy and time away from things I'd rather be doing, things I should be doing. While I still fuck 3-5 times a week, and TRP has helped me in my views of the world and critical thinking, investing more of my time than I already do to those ends isn't something I'm interested in.

            [–]chillmonkey88 17 points18 points  (1 child)

            You need not to make excuses for sleep... if your to have strong mental and physical competence sleep is absolutely key...

            night owls that binge drink and have no self control when it comes to diet and bitch about life that always say they need sleep are the problems my man.

            [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Yeah those fuckers are going to look 40 at 30, or worse...

            [–]Linrraba 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            In his case it would be problem. He just arrived on US and get 35 dates at age 28. I'm 29 and pass on sleep for sex easily depending on the girl. But yeah, sleeping is a good as fucking generally speaking.

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            The dorm playboy back in college told me "just the other day a friend asked me to sleep with her. I told her no. Why? Because I can."

            [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

            All women are like that, but tinderellas are "that" personified.

            [–]MiguelForte 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            Great post. (On the 3rd paragrah, "man are *not")

            [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

            It may be apropos to nothing, but reading this made me think that Cinderella bailing before midnight was really just ASD.

            After all, she wasn't going to need that dress or the carriage etc. if she stayed with Prince BetaBux now would she?

            [–]I_AMA_Naughty_Boy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            And if that glass slipper fit her so well, how did she just step right out of it?

            Beta bait.

            [–]dragonthingy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            I was really surprised that there is an r/Tinder. And then I though "Oh yeah, Reddit..."

            [–]xlspecial261 7 points8 points  (2 children)

            Quite frankly, most guys already know the things the tinder guy was saying.

            [–]magus678 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            That's an interesting thing.

            Most guys have a lot of the broad strokes buried in their psyche somewhere, because their brains work. It is basically all the contrary social programming that starts muddling the process early on and creating the sad sack we see so often.

            All of us are the result of hundreds of successful generations of sperm. Our bones know how to succeed at this.

            [–]1RPAlternate42 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Monkey Brain gets over-ridden by the front, human brain. Because we depend on the human brain so much for things like language, work, etc., we try to depend on it for everything.

            What we end up listening to is rationalizations; Anytime you do something and a tickle in your head says, This shit can't possibly be right but you do it anyways... you are rationalizing (read: hamstering.)

            When the monkey brain yells louder than your human brain... listen to it.

            [–]kanji_sasahara 6 points7 points  (1 child)

            Tinder is basically our biological needs writ large. Men want to spread their seed as wide as possible "always swiping right" and women want to capture the most attractive they can manage "selective right swipe". Shit is entertaining, the downside is that always swiping right has a way of inflating less attractive women SMV. Sucks that Tinder limited the number of right swipes you can make.

            Edit: Phrasing.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            For 10 bucks a month you get unlimited swipes

            [–]musicvita25 7 points8 points  (11 children)

            Tinder is basically for me "take a shit, get a number"

            I shit 2-3 times a day. I have an autoliker app that likes loads of girls, I set that at my first shit of the day.

            By the second shit, I will browse the matches. Remove the fat and ugly ones and stick with the "manageable/hot-ish" ones. Then send out a couple messages.

            By the third shit, or next mornings you get some replies, you ask for a number and then start the whole process off again.

            Like an idiot I started dating a tinder girl, yet I nipped it in the bud before things got too serious.

            Thats how I view this app, and the people associated with it.

            I got more matches with me flexing my bicep as my main pic. I am currently losing weight to infact to an abs shot. I can't wait to see the response from that.

            From all the shits I'm taking (damn you green tea), they should be popping out soon.

            [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (7 children)

            If you shit 3 times a day CONSTANTLY, see a doctor, I'm not joking man.

            [–]2red4u 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Uhhh I don't know about that.

            I take 3-4 glorious, perfectly compacted, dolphin birth shits a day when I'm on my bulk. 2 on a cut.

            I don't see how you could eat 3200-3500 calories a day and not shit 3 times.

            [–]1aguy01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Actually 3 times a day is perfect. Shitting once a day is a sign that your digestive system is slow. Constipation is one of the first signs of slowing metabolism (due to excessive dieting for example) as well as other things.

            [–]4delicioustreats 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            What? I shit 2x a day too. All dat kale.

            [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            shitting 3x a day EVERYDAY means something is wrong with you, it's not rocket science.

            [–]1KyfhoMyoba -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            If he's eating 3x a day, he should shit 3x a day.

            [–]TRPrinny 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            How long have you been using it and what's your count so far? I'm always curious how well guys can do on there, and it seems like you have a good system.

            [–]Sdom1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Eh, this is like a cop who thinks everyone is a criminal because that's all he deals with from day to day. While everyone has these tendencies, you will see the extreme on Tinder. Just remember that, as in most things, girls fall into a bell curve when it comes to hypergamy. Some exhibit more, some less.

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            As much as i personally don't like Tinder, i can admit its really important to have around in the age of social media, because maybe more guys will start to wake up when they realize the importance of smv and game. A lot of my old bp friends are currently trying to start ltrs with girls they met on Tinder and its really sad, hopefully theyll wake up too.

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            I like these alpha names. Chad, Brad etc. What about John_b the alpha? Chuckles the beta... should be the official beta name.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            This is why dating shouldn't be taken so seriously and held in such high regard a la "chasing the one" and pedestalizing-the main reason why we're all here. It's juvenile and kind of creepy.

            Every girl on earth has that slutty story that all her girlfriends know about but keep it secret. It's pretty much part of American culture at this point. The women that most of us chase are an ideal fantasy of "what a woman should be".. But truth is, most women aren't like that. Most men aren't prince Charmings either. Who cares; accept it for what it is.

            By focusing on self-improvement, raising social proof and SMV, and developing strategies and goals toward your life's purpose you will open up much more options by default. Women love good looking, ambitious, hard-working men. Those are the guys who are the "top-tier" men.

            Also, when you have a bunch of women chasing you because you're a successful good looking guy, you'll be the one doing the picking and choosing because you'll have options. Have hypergamy work to your favor.

            [–]One_friendship_plz 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            I'm suspicious that you might be him. his account isn't that active and he used the word "shit tests" you just happened to have "found" his posts.

            Story can be entirely real if his SMV is good, but I don't know anyone outside of redpill who uses those words, not knocking down the story but I'm not gullible.

            The account is revived at the perfect moment to create a field report.

            [–]MMZephyr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I saw the OP in seduction, so whoever originally posted it is spreading it around.

            [–]watersign -1 points0 points  (25 children)

            i havent signed up for tinder yet.

            should i?

            [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 45 points46 points  (14 children)

            Only if your SMV is high and your game is as tight as a drum. Tinder is Hypergamy Disney World for women, and they're all in line to ride Big Thundercock Mountain. Don't waste your time if your game is the Dumbo ride.

            [–]Linrraba 12 points13 points  (6 children)

            So much this. I tried once but the girls were way hotter than me. No matchs even swapping everybody.

            [–]docbloodmoney 21 points22 points  (4 children)

            Think that's bad, try a city where the girls are ugly but think they are hot

            [–]Ragnobash 12 points13 points  (2 children)

            you must live somewhere in Silicon Valley.

            [–]1RPAlternate42 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Or the SF Bay Area in general.

            Fat SJWs everywhere.

            [–]Ragnobash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            And even these ladies, due to the inverted ratio of me to wen, think so amazingly high of themselves. Very sad around here. Makes me think about moving to Another past of the country.

            [–]metalhead4 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            I've got some matches with 7-9s, problem is getting past the tinder stage.

            [–]skoobled 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            It's been dead for me this year - about ten plus dates lined up, all last minute flakes

            And don't tell me I don't know how to do it. Crushed last summer. Problem is since then it turned into yet another validation machine

            [–]the10thrider 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            Goddamn it. As a grown ass man I still love going to Disneyland with my nieces and nephews and little cousins.

            Now whenever I go on that damn ride I'm going to be thinking;"wheeeeee here we go on Thundercock Mountain!"

            I'd compare my game to Splash Mountain, honestly. It's all Disney and fun and games and cute shit, then BAM we're all wet and screaming and having the best goddamn time.

            [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 8 points9 points  (1 child)

            Sorry to spoil it on you. I've been in FL my whole life, went to Disney World countless times as a kid.

            The goal is to get your game to Space Mountain; keep them bitches in the dark, and never let them know which way the coaster is going to turn. That's what makes the vagina tingle.

            [–]the10thrider 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            Ahh point taken. Space Mountain is the best ride there IMHO.

            Now I've good three whole rides to ruin for myself. Next up, searching for booty treasure with pirates.

            Let's stop at The Haunted Mansion though. I don't need to be thinking about sexy times with ghosts. Or do I? That fortune teller probably has a bangin body...

            [–]watersign -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

            ive managed to fuck girls and have them suck my cock on POF, albeit it took alot of work. hmmm .. . . . . .

            [–]Luckyluke23 16 points17 points  (0 children)

            bro if you arent a 8 with solid tight game. I'm talking, your game fits inside a decimal point. then don't bother. it's a fucking time waster. too many attention whores.

            [–]GIFtoGasm 21 points22 points  (4 children)

            I've slept with a lot of woman off there.

            I'm in shape. 28. Tatted. Above average looking. But I've struck out so many times. Your game has to be on point and you have to be attractive. Even the ugly ones have too much pride. A lot of thirsty guys must be building them up on there.

            [–]watersign 12 points13 points  (2 children)

            yea all these fucking sites are skewed so hard in favor of the female its ridiculous.

            [–]bakbakgoesherthroat 20 points21 points  (1 child)

            Pussy has always been a seller's market

            [–]rztzz 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            Not back in the day when they needed a man to support themselves.

            [–]mEatBucket 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            It's good practice even if you don't catch.

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              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I only use Tinder for my own validation. Knowing I'm getting likes is all I want, they don't get a message out of me.

              Are you really comfortable with that? You're telling me that you need external validation and you seek it from women. That's not going to help you in the long run and is not a great habit to form around women, even in a digital space. I had to learn that too.

              [–]my_redpill_account 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              It's so fucking weird how AWALT is, yet it works. Subconsciously shit testing and anti slut/LMR is such a good way to weed out betas and ensure mating with whomever is able to maintain frame (well in short, "is alpha".) They have no idea either.

              It sucks for men but that's how you get the best chance at surviving offspring, and I guess one of the many things that kept us around.

              Slightly off topic, but your post made me think about it. Fascinating.

              [–]MorePancakes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Excellent write up. With how crowded and polluted trp has become there are a few users I look for and read posts of. I'd endorse you if I could. Props /u/needsomehelp3211

              [–]parodixicalreaction 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              There aren't any comments disputing what the guy said because he was speaking the truth without adding the typical misogynistic / hatred language. He was stating facts without resorting to language like "branch swinging", "alpha fucks" and "anti slut defense."

              You can tell this guy was just stating it raw and wasn't butthurt by the true nature of women like a lot of guys you see here. Take some tips

              [–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

              Tinder is a pretty horrible waste of time as a hook up app. If however you like trolling attention whores....

              [–]bluetrail 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              Tinder is legit, IF YOU'RE GOOD LOOKING. As with everything when it comes to women.

              [–]SwagYoloJesus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Someone's lacking in the rules 1 & 2 dept.

              [–]bluetrail -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

              Women are sluts for good looks. That's all you need to know, "redpillers".

              [–]Lhtfoot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Can confirm... I was once that shredded, athletic, good-looking, bad-ass rebel, type. I have slept with more women than I can count... 300+ maybe??? Today, at 33, I'm slightly out of shape (Dad bod), hairline is receeding, wrinkles forming, etc...

              It used to be literally effortless for me, as I truly got by on my looks. Today, I still do alright, but I def have to put in work. It is not easy... It is most notable on dating sites. Since I had a child, my "hits" half dropped to less than half. Also, being in a new town, I can't ride on the reputation any longer... Fucking sucks bro.

              [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (10 children)

              Do you guys actually think that heterosexual men are inherently or innately attracted to certain (Ie skinny or not-fat) women? like op says, men aren't and will never be.

              you do realize that human preferences and desires and aesthetics are very much a creation of human culture and society, and have nothing to do with any innate or inherent human biology. like, that's literally sociology 101.

              yall need a fucking social science class in this board.

              [–]theDarkAngle 1 point2 points  (9 children)

              Um... no. GTFO with that shit. The fact that men like women with specific proportions is not a matter of culture and society, it's a matter of biology.

              [–]4delicioustreats 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              you're both sort of right, in that the traits which are rare in a society become the "hot" ones. It used to be rare to have the wealth to get fat. Now it's rare to have the wealth/will to get thin. The proportions are related to fertility.

              But the social part is long and slow moving. So, it doesn't matter that it's socialized because my preferences are more or less set for life. Sure in 300 yrs they may like fat again, but I never will.

              [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (7 children)

              that's bullshit and you know it. the linked studies, like the one by singh, only show that men tend to prefer women with those proportions. I'm not denying that.

              I'm denying the root cause of that. The articles don't say anything about this being an inherent or natural human preference. I'm saying that it isn't, that ideology and society play a far more important role than pure human biology. you're full of shit. adding retroactive motivations like men seeking out women with "child bearing hips" is bullshit too, there's no way to prove that.

              prove to me that this is an innate, inherent, and unchangeable part of human biology kthx.

              [–]theDarkAngle 0 points1 point  (6 children)

              it's across all cultures, it says that in the article. This rule applies everywhere, even in isolated tribal cultures.

              To think that humans wouldn't have hardwired preferences is just maddeningly stupid. WE ARE ANIMALS.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

              Dude, it has long been understood in social science that individual human judgments, preferences, tastes, intentions, choices, and so on are the direct products of the way individuals are socialized. (Citation: Louis Althusser, Ideology and Ideological State Apparatuses. There are literally tons and tons of references for this, if you want more. Althusser was one of the first to talk about ideology structuring individual preferences, etc)

              [–]theDarkAngle 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              Maybe on some things - maybe a lot of things. But not this one.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              LMFAO

              ok i believe you now.

              edit: wow i just feel like you just summarized this entire board in two short sentences. go you, you're like the epitome of trp

              [–]theDarkAngle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I showed you evidence, you're just pretending I didn't. The 0.7 ratio is universal.

              [–]Finzi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              If we're being generous, Althusser was a philosopher. He was not an empirical researcher, that's for sure.

              [–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

              If you buy a girl dinner, you are taking the risk that she sees you as a beta meal ticket.

              Actually, paying for her meal works great if you mix it with another tactic: you order her food for her.

              [–]colucci -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

              A bit of a note - the dude tries to get the number within 2-3 hours, then tries to meet her within 3-4 days. The quality of girls that will jog along is pretty low.

              [–]ThePantsThief 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              He definitely said "within 48-72 hours". He's done trying after 2 or 3 days, in other words.