Field ReportCheating wife tells her lover (me) how loyal she REALLY is. (self.TheRedPill)

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Summary- A married plate told me about a girls only vacation she recently took out west where her male "friend" lives. Her Beta husband got upset as he didn't know about the west coast Alpha til after she left. She told me how unreasonable her husband can be because she is sooooo loyal. Then two hours later she rode my cock in her car before going home to her "unreasonably" jealous husband.

So I caught up with my married slutty friend recently for drinks. Its been awhile and I wanted to reconnect. Summer is here and there is more free time for extra curricular activities.

She was just back from a trip with two single GFs to someplace in Cali where her ex-bf surfer alpha now lives. Apparently, her husband was unaware this "girls trip" was to the same town where Chad the surfer lives. She told me how her husband yelled and screamed over the phone. Doesn't sound like he is capable of doing anything but whining so we know here how women treat these guys.

Then she told me how the husband really had no right to give her such a hard time because she is so loyal and a good wife to him.

I honestly give zero fucks about her Cali trip or her husband. I was just listening and remaining cool & confident and relaxed. I gently teased her by reminding her about all the recent times I had her legs pinned behind her ears. Yea... You were one of the most loyal fucks of my life I told her

"oh.. that doesnt count. I meant he can trust me except for you /u/theultmatecad."

Lessons learned: Women lie constantly. To others AND themselves. Women accept no responsibility for anything they do and its pointless to expect otherwise.

EDIT- So much fun reading the bluepill broknighting. I am even getting private messages from fags begging me not to continue "hurting" another mans family.

Mods....please take out the trash with that banhammer. keep the message here pure

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 668 points669 points  (48 children)

If women weren't like this we wouldn't constantly have to be told to respect women.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 199 points200 points  (8 children)

Being told to respect women made far more sense back in the day when women were told to respect men.

[–]southernmost 132 points133 points  (3 children)

They don't even respect themselves anymore.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 16 points17 points  (0 children)

This one is so true. How can I respect someone who doesn't even respect themselves?

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[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hamster and have everyone around you validate it

[–]HeadingRed 21 points22 points  (1 child)

No you will hurt the feelz, you need to respect a woman just for her being a woman not anything she does.

In the meantime for you my man get fit and ripped, earn big, learn the guitar, acquire property, be a complete badass, be sensitive, take no nonsense, be patient, be driven, don't focus too much on your career. Once you turn into Ryan Gosling with a nice 401k and the right house your almost there!

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Being told to respect women made more sense when women were still women.

They don't want to be women anymore, they want to be men.

[–]BowlOfCandy 111 points112 points  (20 children)

After thinking about it, that perspective applies to quite a few things including feminism, organized religion, and politics.

Moral: think for yourself, trust no one.

[–]2ShitsWithTheDoorOpen 31 points32 points  (3 children)

"Put no head above your own" is one of the oldest recorded pieces of advice. The Buddha's got some RP gems

[–]RadioactiveTentacles 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Its extremely refreshing that somebody understands that Buddha was a title, and not his actual name.

[–]2ShitsWithTheDoorOpen 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yes, a title meaning one who is awake, from the Pali root "budh" or to be awake. He's literally unplugged from the matrix. I wish more ancient meditation/spiritual teachings found their way into TRP, I know the guys here would benefit.

[–]RadioactiveTentacles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely, anybody could benefit from them.

[–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 46 points47 points  (8 children)

"Any man who must say 'I am the king' is no true king." - Tywin Lannister

[–]kanji_sasahara 20 points21 points  (1 child)

That man was alpha as fuck.

[–]Assassin1476 20 points21 points  (2 children)

"Lions do not concern themselves with the opinions of sheep." -Tywin Lannister

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

"Rhaegar fought nobly, Rhaegar fought honorably, and Rhaegar died."- Jorah Mormont

[–]Philhelm 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"It is not a question of wanting. The throne is mine, as Robert's heir. That is law. After me, it must pass to my daughter, unless Selyse should finally give me a son. I am king. Wants do not enter into it. I have a duty to my daughter. To the realm. Even to Robert. He loved me but little, I know, yet he was my brother. The Lannister woman gave him horns and made a motley fool of him. She may have murdered him as well, as she murdered Jon Arryn and Ned Stark. For such crimes there must be justice. Starting with Cersei and her abominations. But only starting. I mean to scour that court clean. As Robert should have done after the Trident."

-Stannis Baratheon

[–]1Snivellious[🍰] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

As I've heard it, anything that it takes all of society to convince you of deserves suspicion. If people are constantly lecturing you about something, consider why they have to work so hard to make you believe it.

[–]singeblanc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For the same reason: never eat or drink anything you've seen advertised on TV.

[–]Purecorrupt 15 points16 points  (3 children)

It's funny how long it took me to get to the point of "Trust no one".

Personal story time.

My dad told me be was raised to " not trust the white man". He actually almost married a white woman. But she was a higher rank so it was literally just "white men". Then he told me a story he had with a closer co-worker (white guy) and he told him the same thing. The guy basically said it's not white men it's any man. People say you can't trust anyone, but family. Well in my angry teen years my dad specifically told me if it was between " my mother or myself" it would be my mother. Well there goes trusting family. Then you get into a shitty relationship for the first time and you go "can't trust these hoes". Start working for a company and you realize it is also a popularity contest. "Fuck this place".

But its not that one girl. Or that one guy. Or that one family member. That company isn't that much better than that company. In my opinion you should never yield 100% trust to anyone.

[–]ont_anon 9 points10 points  (1 child)

...my dad specifically told me if it was between " my mother or myself" it would be my mother. Well there goes trusting family.

Trust is earned, just as respect is, regardless of whether it's family. If you were being delinquent during your "angry teen years" then why would you expect to be trusted?

As an example - and I am not suggesting that you did any of these things - if I was a father whose teen son was "angry" and stole money from my wallet, borrowed his mother's car in the middle of the night for joy rides and I got called down to the drunk tank all the time to get him out, how much trust do you think I'd be extending? Not very much.

[–]Purecorrupt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Understood - I gave no background info. I was a rule follower. I didn't drink casually until I was 23. AP/Pre-AP classes. Didn't skip class etc. So that example you gave is not me at all.

I'm not going to go into why I was "angry". Let's just put it at fathers and their teenage sons butt-heads. That was just a phrase/moment that will always stick with me. If I mentioned it now to him he would most likely have no idea what I'm talking about.

[–]kamenr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you should never yield 100% trust to anyone.

My rule on trust: "You can't trust Melanie, but you can trust Melanie to be Melanie."

[–]JablesRadio 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A very underrated, yet simple point.

[–]IronMeltsinmyHands 51 points52 points  (2 children)

Respect would come naturally, were it not for this.

The dual purpose sexual Strategy begs that women have two faces.

One where they constantly look to fuck every cock, and one where they try to manage their public face and social reputation.

Remember, every woman has two faces. Only one of these is real.

Same goes for men but, that's another story.

[–]druganswer 56 points56 points [recovered]

I recently saw a couple memes that nailed it:

"no girl cares if she's a hoe - every girl cares if someone CALLS her a hoe"


"we live in a world where women think it's embarrassing to run and chase the bus but are completely fine getting fucked by 3 guys in 1 night"

[–]zxsteven 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Not much different than being told they don't have sex on the first day. They just want to think they're okay. Even if they're the only ones telling themselves it.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

This comment belongs in the RPHOF.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 68 points69 points  (4 children)

That's because I typed it in a gym parking lot while listening to Rammstien.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Haha, you never disappoint!

[–]StupidStrong 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I record separate maxes for my lifts on and off Rammstein.

[–]Anderfail 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly I don't really respect too many women. I see the same bullshit over and over enough to know that it's bullshit. It's a shot in the gut, but whatever that's life and shit ain't fair. You can either be a bitch and whine and complain about it or you can be a man and take it as it is (aka harden the fuck up).

[–]NidStyles 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Rock out with your cock out.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You sir get a hardy up vote. Simple, to the point, and for some eye opening.

[–]RadioactiveTentacles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem with respecting women is that they have come do expect it, and then they don't value it because they think they're entitled to it.

[–]2cold2hold2hot2handl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's fucking gold man! I am going to remember that next time I'm out and about.

[–]1independentmale 286 points287 points  (14 children)

Husband is a fucking pussy. If your woman goes on a trip to see a guy, she's fucking him. Period. Next that bitch.

Run that male hamster and pretend she's not cheating if you want, but next her anyway on the grounds that a good wife doesn't spend a bunch of time hanging with other dudes. Oh, she'll call you jealous and insecure and attempt every shaming tactic she knows, but who cares? She'd rather hang with surfer dude than her man. That's fucked up.

Why the fuck any man would work to put a roof over the head of a disrespectful, ungrateful little tramp completely baffles my mind. Either you appreciate and respect me and everything I do for you or GTFO. This attitude is probably why I'm destined to spend the rest of my life single, but fuck it. Better than being walked over and cheated on.

[–]italian_mobking 161 points162 points  (3 children)

There's an apt Spanish saying, mejor solo que mal acompañado, which literally translates to: better alone than in bad company.

[–]se_va 2 points3 points  (1 child)

There's another one that I think is how a lot of people live,

Mejor malo conocido que bueno por conocer.

[–]anjkh 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It's "Mejor mal conocido que bien por conocer" or "Better a known evil than an unknown good"

[–]BlackHeart89 17 points18 points  (3 children)

but next her anyway on the grounds that a good wife doesn't spend a bunch of time hanging with other dudes.

Even if there are some women out there who really are just going to hang out and nothing more, 99% of them are going to fuck. The odds are so heavily stacked against the positive, that it would be stupid to assume otherwise. And even then, the guy is not inviting a bitch to stay over his place just to hang out. He's trying to fuck. Even if she isn't. Damn that.

The husband knows the deal. But he's married. He has no power but to forfeit that alimony.

[–]kragshot 6 points7 points  (1 child)

The husband knows the deal. But he's married. He has no power but to forfeit that alimony.

Sometimes, you gotta take an "L" for the greater good. Pay that bitch the fuck off and get on with your life. All that is going to do is eat him up inside until he's just a hollow shell of a human being marking time until the grave.


[–]BlackHeart89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree wholeheartedly. Tell the bitch, "here's your money. Now bounce, bitch".

Hopefully he'll realize he's only delaying the inevitable and that he should save himself the drawn out heartache.

[–]TheSKSpecial 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The husband knows the deal. But he's married. He has no power but to forfeit that alimony.

The price you pay for freedom.

Reminds me of the old joke; why is divorce so expensive? Because it's worth it.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Took the words right out of my mouth bruh

[–][deleted] 228 points229 points  (64 children)

You basically just found the hamster distilled down to its purest and rawest form. In her mind she is the saint. In her mind her husband is needlessly insecure. No amount of reality could rain down hard enough to break that little solipsistic bubble.

[–]1independentmale 230 points231 points  (27 children)

No amount of reality could rain down hard enough to break that little solipsistic bubble.

Sure it can. The guy is probably a typical beta bucks, which means he's bringing home the majority of the bacon if not all of it. The best way to humble a bitch is to cut her off. This is a long play and you have to be very patient with the process.

First you set your finances up for divorce. Have a plan for every possible scenario and a little cash stashed away to hold you over. Then you drop that hammer like Thor himself. She's going to get a boatload - my ex walked with six figures - and she's going to be a smug little piggy when it happens. She'll brag to her friends about ruining you and spend your hard earned money partying like a rock star. Be patient.

How long do you think it takes a basic bitch to burn through a six figure divorce settlement? In my ex's case, about 18 months. Six months after that, my oldest turned 18 and her child support got cut to the bone with only the one kid left. She had to get her first job ever in her mid thirties. Now she's working her ass off for minimum wage and struggling to make rent on her tiny apartment. Dumb bitch could have bought a house with cash - I told her to, even offered to help walk her through the process, but she snapped and reminded me "we're not married and I don't have to listen to anything you say anymore." Lmfao.

As for me, I'm better than ever. It took me a decade to save up that money she took. Took me 3 years to replace it without her around to drag me down. I used my newfound freedom to work my ass off, determined to come out on top and I did. See, beta bucks still has a great fucking job. My ex will never have six figures to her name again, but my employer pays me that much every year. Now that I'm single no woman can ever take it away from me again. I took a major short term loss in exchange for long term gain and I won.

Guess who isn't so goddamn smug now? Guess who came crawling back, begging for my commitment? Guess how I responded.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 54 points55 points  (1 child)

Guess how I responded.

I should imagine you told that transparent parasitic bitch to go fuck herself. Better yet, you fuck her, then leave 5 dollars on the side "get yourself a coffee, my treat."

[–]iamaguythrowaway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And see the horror she says that she is pregnant with your kid. Haha.

[–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (1 child)

I cheered out loud when I read this

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (0 children)

This is the greatest story I've read today. Incredible.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (7 children)

Took me 3 years to replace it without her around to drag me down.

Thats the part that i find the most interesting.

How much more successful people in general are when they don't have to deal with married life.

Tip to anyone out there working or thinking about dealing with the stock market... Do not include your spouse or girlfriend or whatever. They will drive you fucking insane. They are not emotionally equipped to deal with the constant ups/downs and wins/loses associated with the stock market.

Good on you though bro. Don't ever deal with that shit again.

[–]1independentmale 26 points27 points  (4 children)

How much more successful people in general are when they don't have to deal with married life.

It depends on the person. Some men are content to sit on their asses and play video games, watch tv and so on for hours every day. For those men, a wife and child may be the push they need to go make something of themselves.

If you've already got drive and ambition, though, most women are only going to hold you back. With me as the only income earner, my family lived paycheck to paycheck for years at first. We sacrificed a lot so she could stay home with the kids. 100% of my income went to the family, there was nothing left for me to spend on myself, to invest and so on. There was always a long list of things the wife thought she needed and those "needs" we're always greater than the sum of my income. Even later in the marriage, when I was making six figures, she was spending it all and still longing for more. It wasn't terribly unreasonable stuff. She wasn't out buying Gucci. But things like horse riding lessons and private school tuition for the kids and payments on the SUV she had to have and on and on, that shit adds up quick.

So I did side jobs to afford the things that I wanted. I bought and sold commodities online, I placed ads on Craigslist and helped people around their houses for a flat hourly rate, I did a little day trading here and there and so on. I kept that side money for myself, spent some on guns and gold and crotch rockets and whatever else I wanted and saved/invested some for the future. It was a huge point of contention in the marriage, wifey wanted access to all of it for her "needs" as well but even beta bucks me had the good sense to put his foot down and refuse her.

I got distracted from my original point.... Which is, I was shocked how much money I had left every month after she was gone. They gave her a child support sum that I thought for sure would cause me to lose the house. Turns out she was spending twice that out of the joint account every month. Now, I've always known how much she spent - I'm a great money manager and have monthly budget spreadsheets going back almost two decades now - but a lot of it wasn't obvious. Take food, for example. As a family, she spent $800/mo. As a bachelor with my son half the time, I spend $250-300 and we eat out a lot. My electric bill went down by $80-100/mo. With one less car to insure, that bill went down $60. Health insurance is $150/mo cheaper. I could go on.

So instead of finding myself bankrupt post-divorce, I wound up with a nice little raise even after the child support. With nothing to do but work, that's what I did. Got a solid promotion a year later and didn't tell a single soul (otherwise she'd have taken me back to court for more $$). Continued doing side projects, investing in clear win/win opportunities and so on. Little things, a few grand here, a few grand there. Several years of that and no woman to piss it all away and I started to have some real money again.

I come home from work and my house is exactly the way I left it. Nobody is there to harp on me. Nobody is there with their hand out wanting this or that. If I want to go out, I do it and nobody is there to whine and bitch about it. It's quite nice. There are downsides. There's nobody there to cook me a nice meal, nobody to welcome me home, to hug, to love, to fuck, but wifey didn't really do those things anyway so I'm not missing much. I have an LTR but she has her own shit going on so we only see each other on weekends. Still, I'm happier and more content with my life than I've ever been. I was married 15 years and it was not good for me. It dragged me down and held me back and the negatives substantially outweighed the positives.

I will never marry again. This I know for sure.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It depends on the person. Some men are content to sit on their asses and play video games, watch tv and so on for hours every day.

Very true! I was definitely speaking towards the motivated male crowd haha.

100% of my income went to the family, there was nothing left for me to spend on myself

One of the biggest complaints I've ever heard from my father in marriage was that in ## years I've never bought myself anything. He was ridiculously happy when he bought himself a motorcycle. It was the first thing I'd ever seen him buy that was purely for him in 20 years.

Doesn't help that most families spend what they make (or more... $$debt$$). So like you said, even though your pay increased, so did your spending.

So I did side jobs to afford the things that I wanted.

For some reason it never really occurred to me I could be making extra money via side jobs. I mean, I know 20 hour jobs, thought about that. But never just like odd jobs on craigslist. I might actually look into that when I get home.

Got a solid promotion a year later and didn't tell a single soul

smart man

Still, I'm happier and more content with my life than I've ever been.

And thats the end game. You've seen the worst and now you're just seeing the uphill climb, not even the top of the mountain yet.

[–]1independentmale 3 points4 points  (0 children)

For some reason it never really occurred to me I could be making extra money via side jobs.

Oh man, find something you're passionate about or otherwise good at and get to it! I did a lot of buying & selling. eBay, craigslist, Amazon. I'd hit up local auctions and buy things I knew were underpriced then turn a profit moving them online. I was always into cars and I'm a good negotiator, so I'd find cool cars, buy them for less than their value, fix them up a bit and sell them for a profit. Often made a cool grand for just a few hours work doing that.

Best thing about this sort of deal is there are no set hours to keep. You can work deals when you want. I did a lot at night after the kids had gone to bed. Way better than a lame part time second job.

[–]lugubriusTRP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You say you trade on the stock market, is that your main job or a side thing? if it's a side thing how much did you initially invest and how much are you making. Is there any materials you can recommend i can read to get into this?

[–]kragshot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How much more successful people in general are when they don't have to deal with married life.

That's not always true. Every once in a while, you find a bitch who is down for your dirty-ass draws. If you come up on one of those, then she is a definite asset. With that being said; you have to know how to handle her and keep her in check.

Talk to Ice-T about that shit. He's been married twice. When Darlene began to fuck up, he sent her ass back to the pasture and then got ahold of Coco. That thick-ass, fine bitch is down for whatever he does. If he has to kill somebody, her ass is there holding two shovels; one for him and one for her.

You just gotta be about owning your will and not letting anyone break you of that ownership; especially a woman.

[–]DexterousRichard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's supposed to be an investment in your legacy. Your children and their children. Too bad it doesn't usually work out that way anymore.

[–]kragshot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is exactly what I am talking about.

Guy here took the "L" and rolled with that shit and he's back in the game better than ever.

You can't be afraid to cut a bitch loose and put her ass to pasture. There are plenty more thoroughbreds out there to choose from. You are not a man of solitary will unless you are prepared to act. FDR had that shit down pat; "The only thing to fear is fear, itself." You can't ever be afraid to stand up for your own self.

All fear is telling you is that you are about to do something risky. It doesn't mean that you can't do it or that you are going to fail. It's just your mind's way of telling you to keep your wits about you.

Fuck materialism; be prepared to throw all that shit away if it's the only thing that will sever the chains that a no-good bitch has you shackled with...if you are truly about your shit, you can kick the whole house of cards down and rebuild that shit on your own. You did it before...what's to stop you from using what you learned the first time and doing it again?

Yup...only you can hold yourself back. Your will is the most important thing that you can own and if you are not prepared to defend that, then you have already lost the game.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fuck yeah brother. Fuck yeah.

All the best to you and your kids. My single mother (70 yo) is upset at my dad (67 yo) who still pulls tail (40 yo women).

[–]leredditaccounts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

M8...Please actually tell us how she begged, and how you responded. I'm already imagining it in my head. Poetic justice

[–]racist_fart_sniffer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know if I'd be able to stomach a 6 figure loss, even if I was earning way more than that. Just the principle of paying my hard earned money to some chick who is going out and getting drunk and partying on my dime would piss me off even if I was a billionaire.

[–]diythrow24234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You were kind of lucky though that the child support wasn't that much or didn't last too long.

[–]grewapair 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Now that I'm single no woman can ever take it away from me again.

Not until you get a vasectomy.

[–]1independentmale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Took care of that several years ago.

[–][deleted] 127 points128 points  (33 children)

If there is one thing I learned over all my years of playing the field it's when a woman calls you insecure, you better watch out..

First insult a cheater uses is that word

[–][deleted] 71 points72 points  (7 children)

It fits a larger theme. If a woman uses a shaming tactic of any kind then you know you're hitting something deep.

[–]DoesNotMatterAnymore 49 points50 points  (4 children)

Or someone else 'hits deep'.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (3 children)

"When she tells you to go deeper but you done run out of dick"

[–]Native_of_Tatooine 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I used to hit my ex's cervix. Funkiest feeling in the world hands down.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Funkiest feeling in the world hands down.

much agreed...

My first gfs was incredibly shallow, I could hit it with half of my finger in. First time I did I freaked the fuck out lol. Mental images of Some alien vs predator shit.

[–]bigdickbanditss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same here. Not even bragging about dick size, my width isn't good and honestly my length is just fucking annoying. You know that amazing feeling you get when you put like 110% of yourself out? Like when you even grow a little bit that you're usually holding back because of whatever biological reason? I only get to experience with myself because whenever I try balls deep with a girl, they always start going "ow ow ow ow what the fuck back up", and yeah; it is the WEIRDEST feeling. I remember the first time it happened I actually screamed.

[–]KHJohan 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Like fat women referring to healthy women by calling them 'skinny bitches'. They don't wonna work on themselves, they would rather shame anyone who would rightfully criticise them into silence

[–]real-boethius 75 points76 points  (19 children)

It would be good to put together a collection of "what women say" => "what they mean".

  1. I'm not going to have sex with you => I am thinking about having sex with you.

  2. You are insecure => I am cheating on you.

  3. I am a strong empowered womyn => I am on a chad-quest.

  4. I'm not into strong muscular guys => Big muscles make me wet.

  5. I admit x but it's your fault => Seeing you can prove that, I admit it. 'Facts' are mean. But the actual truth is far worse.

  6. I'm not a feminist => Feminism is not cool, as everyone knows feminist are ugly bitter man-haters. So I say I am not a feminist, but I am happy to reap all the double standards that favour women courtesy feminism. For example, when I divorce you, I will take every cent I can get and do my best to estrange you from your children.

  7. I am a virgin / I want to wait - I respect you too much to rush into anything => I am looking for beta bucks, now that the Chads don't find me so attractive any more.

[–]1runnerrun2 15 points16 points  (5 children)

I am a virgin / I want to wait - I respect you too much to rush into anything => I am looking for beta bucks, now that the Chads don't find me so attractive any more.

I don't think post-wall women claim to be virgins..?

[–]BrunoOh 25 points26 points  (3 children)

Born again virgins, perhaps? She's changed after all, and you can't hold the past against our little snowflakes.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (1 child)

I know what I want now. I have matured ( I cant compete with younger women for Alpha cock)

[–]mryddlin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

that's one of my favorite. i,e, I want money and a man to bring it now.

[–]seenit3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Born again virgins, perhaps?

Ha, this might just become a thing.

[–]real-boethius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think post-wall women claim to be virgins..?

Thus the second alternative "I want to wait ...I respect you too much..."

The born-again virgin phenomenon is actually not that rare. I remember reading an account of a guy who was at a wedding where the pastor praised the couple for "saving themselves for each other".

The woman having participated in gang-bangs etc while at college.

[–]el_superbeastooo 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Book of Pook has several chapters on "Womanese" similar to this. Just finished reading it last week, worth a look if you've never read it.

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[–]real-boethius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is true in a wider context as well. For example when a politician says "to be perfectly frank..." or "to be honest..." what follows is invariably a lie.

When people deny a comparison, the comparison is usually accurate: "Greece is not Iceland" "Italy is not Greece" etc (in the context of financial default).

[–]life_manager 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Going to be a cunt and say, can we not do the stupid intentional misspellings of words like "womyn." God, those blue pill losers use it on every sentence and it is honestly the most pathetic and retarded thing I've ever seen. You're a man, spell words as they're meant to be written. I understand they are lonely, pathetic losers. We don't need to stoop to their antics.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just ignore the blue pillers.. They are already used to being ignored in real life.

[–]real-boethius 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I really don't see the problem with using these spellings as satire, as in this case.

[–]life_manager 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Might just be a pet peeve. When I see it, I just think a childish attempt at mockery.

[–]real-boethius 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Feminists actually do use these spellings, or did until people started mocking them for it.

[–]life_manager 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If we're putting ourselves out as the intelligent ones, I think it's counter-productive to resort to meme-like writing.

[–]5t3fan0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes, this would be a nice valuable extra for those mid-swallowing the pill like me

[–]1xwm 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Counter point: If she is disrespecting you enough to call you insecure, you fucked up your frame enough to show jealousy at minimum.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Easy to lose frame when you wife is going across the country to fuck chad

[–]1xwm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If she's considering going across country to fuck Chad, your frame was already fucked.

[–]Kill_Your_Ego 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also I've found that basically everything a woman accuses you of is projection. If she calls you insecure it's because she's insecure. Anything a woman accuses you of and even the shaming tactics they use are projections of her own mental state.

[–]skoobled 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Her opinion of herself comes first. Reality comes about seventh

[–]redzorp 54 points55 points  (13 children)

Good God. No judgment against the OP but the state of modern marriage is just a complete and utter disaster.

I can't believe there are still male fools out there who get married. Are they even fucking sentient? Do they have an internet connection? Do they have any power of observation to simply look at the world around them?

[–]through_a_ways 32 points33 points  (9 children)

I can't believe there are still male fools out there who get married. Are they even fucking sentient?

Modern marriage is like modern college. The primary reason people do it is because other people do it, and 80% of the attemptees will be worse off after doing it.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (7 children)

Always amused me when I made more 2 years after highschool via interning and certifications than my ex did who had 180k in student debt.

[–]FuckyouAvast 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Yea but that really isn't surprising or a good way to measure success. The benefits of college are apparent when you look at the lifetime earning potential, not just your starting salary.

[–]urmomsacct 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You probably are the exception to the rule, but I see many college grads that over their lifetime don't make enough to justify college. All the Starbucks workers, Uber drivers, administrative staff, etc. Many college grads start at 30k and are lucky to get a 2% raise a year. Fuck that.

From my observations there are only 2 paths to success (excluding inheritance): (1) go to a top school in an in-demand field or (2) have a strong entrepreneurial spirit and work your ass of with or without a degree.

Anecdotal but I never got a degree, neither did my business partner, we haven't made less than 100k each in the past 17 years. If you put your mind to it, you can accomplish anything.

[–]FuckyouAvast 0 points1 point  (1 child)

There is plenty of research that supports that college grads, on average, make more over their lifetime than non-college grads. You make over $100k per year and have for 17 years - that's an extreme exception to the rule.

I know tons of college grads and many non-college grads, and the difference is generally unmistakeable. Part of the problem with college grads that don't do well after school is that they don't really know how to do college well. Growing up, their parents often painted college as the "big ticket" to success, and too often I see students that treated it exactly as that - they would just have to graduate, and everything would fall into place as if a degree is a job-offer letter.

There are innumerable fields that you couldn't even think to enter without a degree. I'm always uneasy when people advise others that college is a waste of money because they got successful without going. Sure, there are a lot of fields that don't require a degree, but if you don't know what field you're going into after high school, skipping college will shut a hell of a lot of doors and you'll have severely limited exposure to what career choices are even out there.

One more note, your age might also color your opinion. Today, college is far more expected than when your peers were going. If an 18 year old kid wants to make something of themselves today without college, they better make up for it in a lot of other ways to avoid dead-end jobs.

[–]urmomsacct 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The research is constantly changing and a lot of it is out of date. Also, the results could be skewed by high earning college grads. For example, if you exclude STEM fields is a college degree really worth it on average? Regardless, what really matters is the individual's situation and goals. I am a computer programmer, you certainly don't need a degree for that.

[–]malariasucks 2 points3 points  (2 children)

180k is stupid unless you become a doctor or a lawyer, but even for a lawyer that's too much

[–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (1 child)

and doctors are getting squeezed hard by the litany of oppressive regulations and wages have fallen and continue to fall for anyone but specialists.

[–]malariasucks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I cry every time the doctors I know go on exotic holidays

[–]malariasucks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ya but historically you need a degree at any stage in your career. You may be able to establish a career otherwise but there's going to be a time when you are likely to get passed over for not having a degree even though you have the qualifications.

Sure there are exceptions but they are that, exceptions

[–]thefisherman1961 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Do they have an internet connection?

It never fails to amaze me how ignorant people still are this day in age. They care more about sitting on the couch eating potato chips, wondering what's going to happen next on Game of Thrones than they care about educating themselves about reality.

[–]648262 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Ignorance is bliss, as Cypher said in The Matrix. These people are truly happy with their lives in bubbles.

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I wonder this myself. One of my plates recently got caught by her husband (apparently saw one of my text messages, I didn't even know she was married). This woman's facebook page said she was single, had her maiden name, and her husband didn't even know about it. All her friends and family members seemed completely oblivious.

Here's the real kicker... the only reason she even told me that she was married was because he pays her phone bill -- in other words, she was worried he was going to call me and she wanted me to lie for her.

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[–][deleted] 181 points182 points  (30 children)

While I definitely agree, I think its worth mentioning there are a large group of us who were not fortunate enough to find TRP until after we got married.

There are TRP-like ways of making the best of a losing hand. TRP is the only way to hang on to your kids and assets.

[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 50 points51 points  (1 child)

♂ added.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you sir.

[–]drallcom3 10 points10 points [recovered]

You can still use TRP to make yourself happier while being married to a bitch and maybe, just maybe, she's even going to change. Luckily women are capable of totally forgetting the past.

[–]RPSigmaStigma 4 points5 points  (2 children)

It's more like compartmentalization. She'll completely "forget" until she runs in to her alpha widower 10 years later in the grocery story, then it'll all come rushing back.

[–]systemshock869 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah they never forget the past. They just keep it quiet until it suits them to throw it back in your face.

[–]A419a 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And people wonder why in Islam the woman must be with a male chaperon.

[–]tuxedoburrito 3 points4 points  (21 children)

As a married man, do you see it as a losing hand? Why?

[–]Peter_Principle_ 59 points60 points  (3 children)

The legal and monetary costs. The power imbalance. Your disposability. The extreme disadvantage you will find yourself in if she decides she's through with you, or if you decide it's time to gtfa from your abuser. Parental alienation. Child support. Rape shield laws. Alimony. Debtors prison. Duluth model.

If things are going good then it's OK. If it starts to go south, hang onto your hat. It's gonna get choppy.

[–]HeinousFu_kery 21 points22 points  (2 children)

OP's married fucktoy is banking on this - the costs of her husband kicking her to the curb are likely so high he puts up with it all. What hubby doesn't know is that the liberation would be worth every penny.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 23 points24 points  (1 child)

This is why you don't get married. You get married, and she gets all the leverage. You lost your power to control your own commitment, she's effectively raping you for it with the threat of the law should you not comply. Marriage for men nowadays, if she is not smitten, is commitment under coercion. Of course, if you raped her for what you wanted, the law would lock you up. The whole thing is fixed. Marriage, not even once.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I agree 100%. All married people I know were or are miserable even post divorce. I would only marry if my wife is mega mega rich and she buys me a Ferrari. Millions of cash and I take HALF. Of course this is a wet dream.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (12 children)

Your power is the flexibility of your commitment. Marriage weakens this ability to walk away

[–]mryddlin 15 points16 points  (6 children)

Whoever cares least about the relationship, has all the power.

[–]truchisoft 2 points3 points  (5 children)

No, whoever is willing to walk has all the power.

[–]mryddlin 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Whoever cares least about the relationship, has all the power.

read it again, you are just repeating what I said.

Who ever cares the least (i.e. who will walk away), has all the power in the relationship.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Caring, walking, you're both missing the root.

Options = Power.

Having more and better options gives you the IDGAF attitude and the "fuck you" walkaway position. It's like being a multi-millionaire and not needing to tolerate a shitty job you don't enjoy.

[–]mryddlin 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You are arguing semantics, the phrase is just an axiom to describe the options = power.

I've know that my entire life and is one of the reason I've always kept my options open.

It's one of the many reason I've steered clear of identifying with ideologies (includes religions), they just limit your options.

I was just pointing out that semantically he said exactly the same thing as I did.

Expanding on the axiom is exactly as you defined it. I thought that was self-evident.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Not just semantics. And yes, you already get it. But the newbie won't. He'll say "If I stop caring, I win." Or he'll say, "If I walk away, I win..." How far will either of those mindsets get him?

He misses the key point that improving oneself leads to more options. What he should be asking himself is, "How do I expand and improve my options?" And he should always be wary of anything (LTR, marriage) that will restrict his options.

[–]1james-watson 7 points8 points  (2 children)


Understatement of the century. It utterly destroys the ability to walk away. You have to crawl away from marriage after sawing off both your legs.

[–]kragshot 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That is only if you do it on her terms.

If you have to abandon ship, then let it be on your terms, not hers. If or when you see the signs, then do what men always do; prepare. We are the ones who always come up with the plans, strategies, and tactics.

If she starts acting sketchy, then quietly start preparing your "bug-out" kit. Start stashing money and preparing assets. Quietly lawyer up and start documenting all of that weird shit.

Next and this is one that she'll love; get a storage locker and start putting anything of yours that is large and valuable in it. If she asks, just tell her that you are making room for her stuff and that these are things that you are considering selling down the road. Nine out of ten says that she won't think twice about it, and will possibly break you off for "being so considerate."

And again; while you are doing all of this, just keep collecting evidence but at the same time, try not to alert her to your state of preparedness.

When the bomb drops...you'll be ready. Trust me; this shit works.

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I concur. I was speaking as a gentlemen

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Big time. I have a few bucks. I could lose em and start over.

I love my kids

[–]kragshot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. A true player knows how to handle his business; which includes his woman.

Remember; the key is not controlling your environment...it is controlling yourself. If you master yourself, then no one else can be your master. If you can control yourself, then how is some woman going to control you? It's not possible.

Do what the fuck you want to do and what the fuck you have to. Either she is going to be down with it or she is not. If she is not, then let her deal with her own consequences. You won't have time to deal with them because you'll be too busy handling your business.

Get married or not; but let it be your choice, not fear's choice.

[–]WilliamGrand 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed %100, it must be repeated though.

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[–]kalstate 18 points19 points  (2 children)

It's an extremely clear negative expectation investment.

Yep, those are the words I've been looking for in a nutshell. That's something you can say in a brief conversation, and if your audience is interested, they can ask for more details. I like it..

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[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 10 points11 points  (0 children)

By not opening your mouth, you gain power by remaining noncommittal.

Indeed, this is a general law of power no less:


And this:


[–]kanji_sasahara 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Marriage is investing half your net worth in a depreciating asset. Any man with half a brain would say that's crazy.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Investing" implies a potential profit. Marriage is actually playing Russian Roulette with half of your net worth.

[–]kragshot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah...if I knew everything that I do know now...I probably would stay single. Not that I'm having a bad time of it...I seem to be with one of the "sane" ones, but I know without a doubt that the whole thing could turn on me in a heartbeat.

But I was born in the 60s...my parents are still married and relatively happy. My parents understood what the deal was and what both of them had to put into it in order to make it work. So, I followed in their footsteps without knowing that the rules had changed.

With all of the legal shit that is going on now; a brother has got to be on his game more than ever. There are too many ways that a bitch can trip you up and get over.

It's funny; my brother-in-law kicks his girlfriend out of his house every two days just so she can't get a common-law marriage on his ass. You have got to know the rules of the game in order to keep up.

Be careful, little brothers...keep on your game, stay on your hustle, and don't become a mark. Remember; "there's only one mark you can't beat; the mark inside."

[–]fckredditt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it's going to be tough to do because women pressure you like crazy into marriage. marriage is like a parachute for women as they age. meanwhile it has no benefits for the man. he has always taken care of himself and will too after the divorce. meanwhile most women are just waiting around for a man to take care of them.

[–]loooobie 31 points32 points  (78 children)

First TRP post, long time lurker, TRP practitioner.

There's one thing that has always irked me about TRP...

I hate to destroy this little circlejerk, but there do exist women who are not going to cheat on you. Yes, it's a tiny percentage of women, and you still need to be pretty alpha, but it's definitely not outside of the realm of possibility like TRP would have you believe.

I don't believe in marriage for other reasons. But if you date/marry a woman who is not a party girl/slut, is intelligent and confident, loves you, and you are also a cool dude who commands respect, the chances of her cheating on you are slim to none(excluding very edge cases: celebrity, etc.)

Almost all the women described in posts on TRP are of the average girl who doesn't respect her husband. You mean to tell me Clooney's wife will cheat on him? Not a chance. One, she doesn't need the validation of other men because she's secure with herself; two, she doesn't get into situations that can lead to "mistakes"(do drugs, get wasted, etc.) So as long as you date a woman who is smart, confident, secure, and thinks you're higher value than she is, she will be loyal to you. I ask anyone here to dispute that.

AWALT is a great term to propagate because it's very useful in practice, but once you have some experience with women and have internalized the TRP philosophies into your everyday life, you come to realize that AAWALT(Almost...) is a more accurate term.

Unleash the downvotes!

[–]mister_barfly75 42 points43 points  (7 children)

as long as you date a woman who is smart, confident, secure, and thinks you're higher value than she is, she will be loyal to you.

Yeah, we all know that Princess Di was 100% loyal to her husband, the FUTURE KING OF THE UNITED KINGDOM

[–]interestedplayer 25 points26 points  (3 children)

Or CR7 girlfriend, most famous and rich (and propably handsome) soccer player in the world. One week out the door by her choice and riding Dwayne Johnson...

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[–]TyPerfect 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Better" than the rock, right. I lift but that guy has to eat spoonfuls of steroids daily.

Good point though.

[–]heatyourpipe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

haha, well think about it. Rock is as alpha as they come... Ronaldo? not so much.

[–]kragshot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Little brother; what you are missing is that it's not about what she does...it's about what you do about it. If the trick cheats on your ass, then next her ass and "on to the next one (if that is what you want to do)."

My partner in Louisville caught his old lady fucking another of his running buddies down there. After partner hit it the third time, he contacted him and let him in on what was happening. He had old boy get some photos and video of the whole thing and then served her ass with papers.

He got the kids, the house, and everything else in exchange for not letting the case go to court and embarrassing her ass as a cheating, lying heifer.

It's all in how you handle that shit, man.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well I wouldn't go as far to say she got what she deserved...but...

[–]DannyDemotta 71 points72 points  (8 children)

"Loyalty" isn't just about fucking other dudes, it's about the general malaise that takes over a relationship when the woman no longer respects the man. He's "cheated" out of the woman he initially LTR'd/Married, and ends up with a lazy, excuse-making, maw-stuffing shell of the woman he initially fell in love with. One who can have an entire week off from work, but won't clean the house because "I was just so busy, tee hee"

If I have to be a superstar Movie actor worth hundreds of millions to be able to have a Woman not cheat on me........but, you know, still have the damned threat of being able to take HALF my net worth because she got bored........then that's a pretty fucked position to be in. But yet, here you are spinning it as a positive. WTF?

AWALT. Not AAWALT. AWALT. You are incapable of destroying "this little circlejerk" by repeating all the same Bluepill fuckery that has previously been eviscerated. TRP is about more than just getting your dick wet, and stopping other men from wetting their dick in the same place.

[–]loooobie 2 points3 points  (2 children)

We're not disagreeing here. Yes, the cheating won't just be with another guy, as you stated, but it is a byproduct of her losing respect for you. It doesn't matter how rich you are, that is irrelevant. If you are a guy who has unfaltering frame, a man who she looks up to and loves, she is very unlikely to cheat on you.

Many studies have been done on this. Yes, most women cheat, but there's a significant percentage who do not. Of course assuming AWALT is a good thing to remember, but I also thing that the reality is that AAWALT and if we continue to deny it then we're prone to become a very cynical, hopeless community who no longer tries to develop increasingly better models for living with women, but actively hates them. That's not a TRP that I want to be a part of.

I wanna see some fucking positive posts once in a blue moon. That's all I'm asking for.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The "significant percentage who do not" are lying, or just haven't yet met Chad.

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[–]Redpillc0re 20 points21 points  (2 children)

There are good reasons to constantly remind men that women are not what they think they are. It's basically because of the media and general culture which bombards men about how amazing and precious all women are. Yes there is a small minority of good women, but statistically the vast majority of men will not have those women. So for all intents and purposes, AWALT until proven otherwise.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't even say that. All women are capable of the behaviour we talk of, AWALT is a spectrum that applies to all women. Different women are simply on different parts of the spectrum. A 10 AWALT is textbook TRP. A 1 AWALT is a great woman most of the time, but if you slip she will cheat on you until she can find better and then dump you.

Some women engage in primal behaviour rarely because they are well-raised, the majority are far too obviously feral. A minority seem like they are well-raised, but actually are just excellent liars - they don't get caught, and they're good at compartmentalising, so after she finishes slurping on Mr. Chad -Doesn't Count- Thundercock she's home an hour later talking about the curtains with Billy, rejecting his advances because "Decorating is more important right now, don't pressure me!"

Machiavellian to the end these bitches are.

[–]RationalistFaith1 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Dated the best, religious and grounded. Still picked up signs of strong AWALT. Hypothesis:DENIED

[–]2Overkillengine 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Heh. A good background/social group can often just mean that she has that more incentive to lie to you to keep her standing.

One of the best places to find some "secret" freaks is at church. Look for the ones dressed to the nines with the crucifix dangling precisely in the middle of their exposed cleavage.

This is not an accident. It is NEVER an accident.

[–]648262 13 points14 points  (12 children)

AWALT means if you get lucky or your frame breaks then all women will cheat. All she requires is the other guy to give hard enough tingles.

The same can be said of men because I don't buy into the idea that nobody has their price. If a 10/10 is throwing herself at your sorry ass 7/10, and you have a 5/10 nagging wife at home - you'd tap the 10.

But if you go into a relationship with her she will have a much higher SMV than you, and she will naturally cheat on you - because you just got lucky.

[–]RPSigmaStigma 13 points14 points  (5 children)

Yep. I used to think I would never cheat on my wife, until I was at a party, negging some drunk slut hard (not even knowing what "negging" was, I was just amusing myself talking shit to a silly girl) when to my surprise, at the end of the party, she literally climbed on top of me and ripped her clothes off. The whole time I was fucking her I felt like I was dreaming, until I came on her back and reality suddenly set in. I went in to a deep depression for months until I caught my wife having and affair with my (supposed) best friend (who had white knighted his way in to her pants by ratting me out and convincing her that I was still seeing the other chick -- side lesson: don't ever give your friends any ammo they can use against you with your girl).

[–]kanji_sasahara 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Trust no one except for your dog.

[–]antidoxdevice 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Hah, I got more upset over you getting played by your buddy then your wife cheating.

[–]RPSigmaStigma 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Oh definitely. There is no worse feeling in the world than the betrayal of your best bro. Besides, honestly I never blame women for cheating. There's a reason that in the old testiment men were told not to seduce their neighbor's wife, but nothing telling women not to cheat. Even back then it was common knowledge that women are impulsive, emotional, easily manipulated and slaves to the tingles. If your woman cheats on you, it's your fault for not seeing the signs, and there are always signs.

[–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women have agency. It is their fault that they cheat. They are still human. They can overcome their urges if they cared to try. The vast majority just don't care to try.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

The same can be said of men because I don't buy into the idea that nobody has their price. If a 10/10 is throwing herself at your sorry ass 7/10, and you have a 5/10 nagging wife at home - you'd tap the 10.

Very likely given men's sexual strategy to spread your genes far and wide. However, our behaviour include savior syndrom, dedication and oneitis, which can compensate for the philandering urge.

Women's sexual strategy (hypergamy) is also to conducive to cheating. But solipsism and hamstering will actually encourage it.

[–]648262 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I'm not sure if I see oneitis, dedication and savior syndrome is a typical men-only concept. Would care to expand on this?

Women are first and foremost in need of security, their Beta-Max. Once he is locked down she needs the tingles, their Alpha-Chad. Sometimes this is the same person, sometimes it is five.

[–]Kill_Your_Ego 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Women don't need their beta anymore. The government is the beta bucks for all women and the state is also the alpha enforcer for all women. Women are all already married. They are married to the government. We're just the studs who fuck them. Oh and its also our tax dollars that pay for the government that has married all of our women.

Which is, of course, why I want to destroy the government.

[–]648262 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Biology has not quite caught up to the fact, so women still chase tingles.

[–]kinklianekoff 0 points1 point  (1 child)

men would cheat alot more than women if not for the usual beta problem of lacking sexual options.

[–]648262 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If that went away then men wouldn't be in relationships to cheat from.

[–]NightGod 13 points14 points  (0 children)

TRP has very little focus on LTR theory. Which is perfectly fine, most people coming here are just taking that first jump across building tops, they're still a good, long ways from fighting off a city full of Smiths.

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[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm going to allow that link because it's a decent thread related to this topic.

[–]interestedplayer 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yeah, like you will be downvoted from all the newbies who want to believe that maybe, just maybe, they reaaaally know better and there is that special someone out there.

I tell you one thing. Beware of being the player who fell for the good girl.

And on a side note: Would any woman ever cheat on Christiano Ronaldo? Richest, most famous and handsome soccer player in the world, treated like a god? Well we all saw what happened.

[–]loooobie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again, riches and fame do not equate respect. Also, she doesn't meet the criteria of a "non-cheating" woman.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Im interested to hear your experience with the longest amount of time you have spent in a relationship and the outcome.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (15 children)

There is a sense that these discussions can get a little too unfalsifiable. If I reported several long-term relationships (including my current one) wherein everything was good and no cheating took place, what would people here say? Some number would at least be thinking that I was simply unaware of my LTRs misbehaviour and that I couldn't possibly be correct.

So a girl doesn't cheat and all is well, good sex and etc. That means you just didn't catch her; she does cheat that means she was like that. Ergo, all women are like that with no way to falsify the statement. Dubious.

I'm not a rockstar or George Clooney, but I fuck good, constantly improve, etc., etc. That seems to have been enough, several times, for several girls. It's a bit disingenuous to suggest that all women have such a severe lack of self-awareness that they'll tell you how little they like crack while literally smoking it. Maybe the one's that OP fucks, but far from all.

[–]648262 10 points11 points  (12 children)

It's not the idea that all women cheat constantly. It's that all women can cheat, and it happens in very specific scenarios. If your SMV is lower than hers - she will be looking. If you're just dating then she'll more likely to just stop dating you at that point, but if you're married it becomes a hassle.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Right. But if you've got your shit together and are constantly improving, since a man's scope for SMV growth is considerably greater than a woman's and since it extends over a greater time period, keeping your SMV above your wife's shouldn't be a problem. It should happen more or less automatically. In that context, I think a lot of men would prefer a good steady single partner over an endless string of new (and almost always disappointing) women.

Getting married anywhere in the West is pretty dumb unless you have some very compelling reasons to do it, so all this really just applies to LTRs generally. All the standard disclaimers of course apply. She must have a low or 0 n, and etc., to even be considered. But I don't think women like that are as rare as this sub wants to believe: they're just hard to find in bars, clubs, on Tinder, and other easy places to find women. But trying to find a woman of worth in these places is like trying to find virgin in a brothel. It's not going to happen.

[–]Kill_Your_Ego 0 points1 point  (3 children)

So where do you propose men meet these unicorns then buddy? Church? At a coffee shop? The library? Petco? Target? Payless shoes? Grocery store? Macy's? Hair salon? Around campus? Set up by friends? Set up by neighbors? Set up by church acquaintances? At a pizza parlor?

AWALT. Stop with your bullshit. AWALT.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never said they were unicorns. I said women of worth. Take them where you find them. And they aren't that rare. From 18 to 27, including almost 6 years of LTRs, I dated not one, not two, not three, but four confirmed virgins. This was in the United States, in a major metropolitan area. They were all at least 7's with a at least one 9 sprinkled in for good measure. Deflowered 2, dumped one, and the other moved away before any relationship proper could start. I wasn't even looking. But I also wasn't spending time in frats, or bars, or clubs, or places where it would have been much easier to find sex than where I found these women. I found them randomly, just existing in the world, and I pursued them because I found them interesting and beautiful.

My point is that, given what the majority of men seem to be wanting on this sub-reddit (easily attainable sex with many different women), it's easy to get a false impression of range of qualities women possess because of what they're focusing on. This tendency is clearly visible when we get many examples of outrageous sluttery and absent self-awareness and this somehow gets labeled as the norm.

Yes AWALT, in kind, but definitely not in degree. Some float closer to the extremes than others do. Find the ones that float away from the negative extremes. It's very very possible.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You mean to tell me Clooney's wife will cheat on him? Not a chance.

Interesting, so very rich and successful actors/politicians/businessmen who are handsome, well-built (as so many actors are these days) are a model of marital happiness. Never end up in the divorce courts. That's good to know, I'll watch out for that.

I do agree that knowing TRP and Married Game helps tremendously, because, yes, a good number of the 117k subscribers got married before they knew this stuff. But it is definitely playing hard-ball. One of the biggest weapons you have in that little battle is Dread, and once you have signed that contract you have given it to her. Because you can't just walk away, but if she does she gets rewarded, and you get shafted.

I have a child, and I am very happy to have done so, she has been the delight of my life, and I am still with her mother, but that legal contract has no upside. My advice is still for all men to not put a ring on it, but adapt and make an LTR outside of that arrangement. Truly, if you want a family, there is no ideal setup now, society has screwed it up, hence 'enjoy the decline'.

[–]loooobie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Totally agree. To reiterate, I don't believe in marriage, this was more a comment about LTRs and them being a real possibility if all the prerequisites are met.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Couldn't agree more and I'm glad someone is saying something about this. "Students" of TRP should be very careful not to swing to the other pole while trying to distinguish themselves from the 'average beta.' It is not to your advantage to go into every LTR expecting the other woman to cheat. You have to trust her, too. Women do cheat, of course, but there are plenty of loyal and devoted wives out there who only want to please their husbands, as long as their man can supply sufficient physical and emotional intimacy. In my experience, these women are generally more highly educated, already quite experienced with men in the past, less of the "party type," and respond to intellectual stimulation more than emotional stimulation.

I've seen an unfortunate trend, though: it's when TRP guys who are learning to "be alpha" in a genuine attempt to improve their life, mess up their own LTR by mistaking insecurity for abundance mentality--that they end up distancing the wife so much emotionally from "not giving a fuck" or losing trust in her, that she ends up cheating on him due to the lack of intimacy! She instead begins to seek it elsewhere, because of you. Expectations of cheating can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Be careful to avoid this!

[–]-rubashov 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In my experience, these women are generally more highly educated, already quite experienced with men in the past, less of the "party type," and respond to intellectual stimulation more than emotional stimulation.

Yep. Just your bog standard postwall ex-partygirl ex-CC rider.

but there are plenty of loyal and devoted wives out there who only want to please their husbands, as long as their man can supply sufficient physical and emotional intimacy.

BB with a touch of alpha in there.

[–]loooobie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mah nigga! I forgot to add that. Most guys here will dismiss this as BS because they simply have not been able to attract/find a woman like this. And sometimes even when they do, they push her away by not providing the security and intimacy she seeks. I made that very mistake once and I learned a very hard lesson from it. Being too alpha and constantly unattainable will develop a rift between you and she will no longer be able to take it.

[–]Kill_Your_Ego -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It is absolutely to your advantage to go into every ltr not only assuming that she will cheat but just assume that she's already cheating. In fact you got a girlfriend buddy? Just assume she's sucking someone else's cock right now. That way when you find out she is you're prepared for it and ready to next her ass. That way you're keeping your options open all the time, which both runs dread game and gives your an abundance mentality.

When I've counseled men here I always tell them to just assume and accept that your wife/girlfriend has and is cheating on you. It absolutely is for the best.

[–]Mightyskunk 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I love TRP. That being said, TRPers love to date idiot party girls, because they're hot, and they make the TRPer look smarter by comparison. You're not gonna get a drink of clean water by swimming in sewage, hence the AWALT mentality here. TRPers love dat sewage.

[–]loooobie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

More accurate than most here would like to admit. I do it too, cause they're fun and sexual, but I certainly don't LTR/marry them or expect any exclusivity.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with you for the most part. But like they say, all women will cheat under the right conditions. Fortunately, for some women, the "right conditions" will never be met.

If Dwayne Johnson (the right condition) ran game to my girl, I wouldn't just end the relationship myself the moment I found out they knew each other. But with all the pussy at that guy's disposal, he probably wouldn't even notice my women if they were sitting on his lap.

[–]rossiFan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I won't downvote you for describing a very remote outlier.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Have a downvote. AWALT regardless of your hamstering. "She was never yours, it's just your turn."

[–]loooobie 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yes, and your turn can last a lifetime if done correctly. Living a life where you always think your gf/wife is cheating on you is a very sad life.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don't need GF/wives. Spin them plates.

[–]PumpDumpPumpDump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"You mean to tell me Clooney's wife will cheat on him? Not a chance."

Come on. He's gay, and she's a beard. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but don't try to draw conclusions from Hollywood relationships. Actors don't stop acting once they get off the set, for many of them their entire lives (at least the parts they show the public) are scripted as well.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

unleash the down votes

Get the fuck out of here with this stupid goddamn phrasing.

[–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AAWALT(Almost...) is a more accurate term

NAWALTing garbage. Alll women are like that, period.

Your options are 1) She fucks a different guy, then dumps you; or 2) She dumps you, then fucks a different guy.

[–]Vrixithalis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AWALT... There are no unicornes

[–]cooledcannon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

While I agree... 1 anecdote isnt a good enough reason for the lesson...

[–]andeanballs 1 point2 points  (1 child)

There must be a way. I think it's a balance between some NAWALT cualities on part of the chosen woman and having her on check as much as other aspects of one's life: being focused, disciplined, etc. You probably won't get cheated or manipulated in any way and you can have a good environment for raising your offspring.

[–]DannyDemotta 18 points19 points  (0 children)

The only way is cohabitation in a non-Common Law Marriage state. Rich celebrities/athletes do it all the time. They'll win the big game/fight, in the interview: "Wanna thank my girlfriend, and say hello to my son. Daddy loves you!"

Getting married is outmoded and redundant. We have a Government capable of stepping in and filling every void for both parties, if need be, in the event of a separation. Men no longer need to be shamed by social contracts into taking care of women/children for the rest of their life, no matter what. Now the courts will legally obligate them to do so.

There's only slightly better financial considerations to being married. K-12/College tuition is going to cost the same, cars will cost the same, clothing cost the same....just about EVERYTHING costs the same as a married couple. As a man, there's almost no benefits....other than the "benefit" of you being a cucklord false alpha who can't convince his GF to mother his child without being married first, so you have to sign your life away.

There is no AAWALT. There is no NAWALT. Stop it with this shit. We aren't discussing what COULD BE, we are discussing WHAT IS. And the "what is" of the matter is that the courts are ridiculously biased towards the female in cases of divorce, and society as a whole is becoming increasingly nonplussed about marriage. Just be good couple and good parents, and most people no longer give a shit. I know I don't.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (7 children)

I'm of the opinion that the only thing which is moral or good to women is that which privileges them best.

If maintaining the strictest standards benefits them more (or there's more to lose by failing) then that is the standard she will hold.

Doing the "right" thing only matters when what is right is right for her.

[–]CR7_Bale_Lovechild 10 points11 points  (6 children)

To be fair this is red pill philosophy when applied to men.

[–]sweetleef 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Although there is no official "TRP canon", one fundamental concept seems to be that males should strive to be honorable. Not the sacrificial, romance-movie definition of "honor" as deifying and deferring to women, but in the sense of remaining true to one's principles and upholding obligations despite outcome.

[–]CR7_Bale_Lovechild 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Wow, you're spot on. At any rate, I'm new to TRP and have been working my way down the side bar. Cheers for an honest, reasonable response. You won't find this kind of thing elsewhere.

[–]skoobled 1 point2 points  (2 children)

But we do encourage men to be honest. Leave 'em better than you found them, etc

[–]CR7_Bale_Lovechild 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe. I don't think women should be lied to but I think you should only reveal intimate information when it's extremely pertinent. Also I'm not sure I'm all that concerned with a woman's condition after I drop her as a plate.

I'm not claiming to have pure RP values or anything like that. It's just my two cents.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The difference is that these women do this naturally.

Us men have to unlearn chivalry and honor and other crap which ultimately obligates us to women who have no reciprocal obligations.

[–][deleted] 51 points52 points  (6 children)

"I was not born last night, I know these promiscuous women are not right" - Dwayne Carter Jr.

[–]droppern 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Didn't Lil Wayne say that? /s

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That is the nickname of the great philosopher

[–]exuals 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah but it sounds better from Dwayne

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dwayne Carter Jr. is Lil wayne's government name

[–]heatyourpipe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That song screams female nature.

[–]soccerplusaviation 94 points95 points  (3 children)

Everytime I read stories about women cheating, Loyal by Chris brown starts playing in my head.

[–]wimmyjales 56 points57 points  (2 children)

Moral: Do everything but trust these hoes.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Get bread, get head, then fuck these hoes...in that order

[–]kjvlv 21 points22 points  (7 children)

women never cheat. right before they screw around they tell themselves their relationship is over to absolve themselves of any guilt. They just forget to tell the SO that it is over.

Then after they mess around, they decide to rekindle the relationship and VIOLA, back to being faithful. again, the SO never seems to be in on the actual decision process.

[–]TheRealPancomplex 7 points8 points  (4 children)

This is the most concise, precise and honest way I have ever read or heard anyone explain women's behavior and mindset as it pertains to the subject matter.

[–]kjvlv 0 points1 point  (3 children)

why thank you. men are not nearly that deep. we just fuck around and say "oops". ha ha

[–]TheRealPancomplex 2 points3 points  (2 children)

men are not nearly that deep.

You either misspelled "conniving" or "devious". ;)

[–]kjvlv 1 point2 points  (1 child)

[–]TheRealPancomplex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fucking classic!! And also true.

[–]LifeAtPeace 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is the most common behavior I have observed with all the women who cheat. I have to say you explained it so perfectly and precisely.

[–]rpscrote 1 point2 points  (0 children)


The difference between a "good" woman and a "bad" woman is that the bad woman fucks the guy, then breaks up with you. The good woman breaks up with you, then fucks the guy. In other words, the good woman doesn't forget to tell the SO where the bad one does. Expecting anything more than that is futile

[–]bakbakgoesherthroat 44 points45 points  (7 children)

I'm pleasantly surprised by my own reaction to this FR. Usually whenever I come across these stories, I always feel angry, frustrated, and depressed but this time around... nothing. In fact, this is so stereotypical that it sounds comically funny.

OP, I have a question though: if you were to look at this woman from a third-party perspective, would she strike you as a cheater?

[–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (5 children)

If the third party is red pill aware, then EVERY woman strikes him as a cheater for the right guy

[–]cariboo_j 20 points21 points  (1 child)

"I'm so loyal..." as she cheats on her husband.

Good god. The lack of self awareness.

Do you think she would even qualify as sentient? Would she pass the mirror test?

[–]BlackHeart89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She sounds fucking retarded to me.

[–]Bottled_Void 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Who the hell has their wife go on a vacation without them? Maybe I'm just old.

I know it's not redpill and all, but I married someone I like, and like to spend time with.

It sounds to me like the husband has married someone who's SMV is way beyond his and she's spending the change. I'd like to think he'll wise up and drop her, but he probably feels 'lucky' to have her.

[–]Tarnsman4Life 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Betas gonna beta, eventually they have the moment where they have irrefutable proof their wife is taking Alpha cock during the relationship and they have a decision to make, cuck or run. Until chad's cock slaps their wives in the proverbial face infront of them though denial is not just a river in Egypt.

[–]1favours_of_the_moon 80 points81 points  (8 children)

Lessons learned: Women lie constantly. To others AND themselves. Women accept no responsibility for anything they do and its pointless to expect otherwise.

It's been stated previously. Just plate a bitch. Because if you're a dude, and you're in a relationship, it's an open relationship, whether you know it or not.

[–]BleauGumms 58 points59 points  (7 children)

It's not your pussy, you're just the current user.

[–]kalstate 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Shit, I don't even own this computer. Do we own anything? There is only one thing that can be owned...our own character. What boggles my mind is that even that one thing can be given up and then we own nothing.

[–]648262 5 points6 points  (5 children)

What does it mean to own something? We are on the deep end the intangible here, but in reality ownership doesn't exist on a naturalistic level.

You can own a house, but that is a word which sums up certain rights given to you by the law. In two hundred years people will look back and say "The user of that house at that time..."

It's all temporary.

[–]CacTye 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Ownership is defined as having the right and the ability to exclude others from a certain piece of property. I own the house under this definition only as long as I pay my mortgage and property taxes . if I stop paying either one, someone will exclude me. On this theory, only the state ever owns real property.

The female is analogous to the state here. Even when you own the pussy, you are responsible for maintenance and upkeep. This can be paid in various currencies - alphas pay in tingles, betas in bucks, and everyone pays in attention. But you can be damn sure if you fall behind you will no longer have exclusive use and occupancy of that female.

[–]648262 2 points3 points  (1 child)

And Ukraine (Betamax) owned Crimea which is now owned by Russia (Chad).

[–]CacTye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right + ability. Ukraine had the former and not the latter. So did OP's plate's husband.

[–]kalstate 6 points7 points  (1 child)

600 years ago, that's how the Native Americans thought. They didn't own the land, they belonged to it. It seems truer than present day annexation and exploitation, which explains the decay of modernity.

[–]648262 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure the Cynics and Buddhism dabbled in the same concepts.

[–]1raceAround126[🍰] 24 points25 points  (1 child)

This is the classic, "Well I fucked him already at some point in my life. So fucking him again just doesn't count!"

Ah, I remember my married plate. She was fucking hilarious. Last I heard, after I dumped her, she went riding most of the available willing cock in town for a few weeks straight. Her new husband none the wiser, thinking she was off having to spend extra time at work.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 18 points19 points  (1 child)

"Loyal" in this case means "Happy to continue taking them good ol' beta bucks, wouldn't dream of leaving them. err I mean you."

[–]1aguy01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. Because she still goes home to her husband she is loyal. Because she still lets him pay for her car and insurance and home and food she is loyal.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (2 children)

That guy is a loser. Sadly, due to blue pill conditioning. Marriages are INVESTMENTS or ALLIED PARTNERSHIPS, not some silly trophy status where you put a ring on a woman's finger just because she's hot. This guy failed in his marriage by selecting a "hot wife" and not taking into consideration her actual abilities to BE A WIFE. He's like the sucker that buys a timex watch at a rolex price from a street hustler in Manhattan.

People like this guy are the poster child for women to reinforce crappy life decisions too. "What do you mean I can't see Chad? Katelyn goes off to see Brad Lightning for 2 weeks alone in Aruba but Mork the computer dork trusts her! You must be insecure!"

But like I said, 9 times out of 10 it's the guy's fault for being dumb and naive enough to marry a manipulator like that. Or at least for letting himself get taken advantage of. He married her because "SHE'S HOT". Uhh well guess what, she's not going to keep up appearances for you buddy; not if you're going to lay yourself out like a doormat for her to walk all over. She doesn't need to go to her pilates yoga center for you, she's all ready got you around her finger. She does it FOR CHAD. (Also a good reason to be wary that your girl is probably cheating if she's hitting the gym hard, and not fucking you or giving you any respect).

One of my old friends (who cheated on his last girl all the time) just recently discovered he was being cheated on. Despite the fact that I mentioned "Dude your girlfriend hangs out at the bar alone A LOT." "Yeah but I trust her". Who the fuck cares if you trust her. She should be smart enough to not project a shitty image of herself like that to you. She clearly doesn't give a fuck. Then he acts all heart-broken and surprised when he learns the truth and says "I'm done with women" and sulks in the corner with his liquor. Kid's probably gonna wind up being the puppet for a con artist at some point down the road he's such a naive loser.

I honestly would pity him and try to give him advice, but when a mutual friend of ours tried to sleep with my last girlfriend. He sided with HIM and said that I needed to get over it. HAH! Well I'll remember that next time your slutty girlfriend grabs my butt when you're not looking dude. Sucks to suck.


Let's not trick ourselves into thinking other men aren't capable of this behavior too though. Other men still have potential to financially fuck you hard or play a game of chess with office politics. I feel like we turn a blind eye to manipulative men who want to fuck over their co-workers, family, friends, etc.. A LOT in TRP. Personally, I think it's best if we focus on how to keep ourselves protected from people like that ALONG with shitty quality women.

[–]malariasucks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

wouldnt you say your buddy just reaped what he sowed? I mean he attracted a woman that was just like himself. laws of attraction

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Women accept no responsibility for anything they do and its pointless to expect otherwise.

Bingo. Through a lifetime of experiences, I've become convinced that 95% of women are biologically incapable of accepting responsibility for their own actions. It's like they have specifically evolved to pass the buck to somebody else; what's also fucked up is the fact that so many men constantly enable this behavior.

[–]DMMDestroyer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

When I was cheated on by my ex (2 and a half years in) at first I tried to fix things and was going to break the face of the guy she slept with. Then I realized that I had no reason to, if anything, needed to thank him. A true loyal woman would tell a dude to "fuck off." I would know because my late wife did whenever she was approached. Loyal women will never cheat on you because it's completely against their nature. People who cheat are mentally unstable and can't even comprehend the damage of their actions.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What does blue pill guys fails to understand is that there is no morals in this world. Things are not fair, it's not lala land, being nice doesn't exist. Even those guys wo are labelled nice guys are not nice (read no more mr nice guy, robert glover, to understand why).

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I have a married friend who moved out of her Beta Hubbies home and in with her bad boy asshole fuck buddy. He is paranoid about her "cheating on him" and checks her social media constantly. He even put a GPS tracker in her car and recording devices in the house.

For her part she simply cannot understand why her boyfriend doesn't trust her. LMFAO!! The Ho isn't even divorced and she has been fucking this guy for years...but she doesn't understand...she would NEVER cheat on asshole McBadboy don't you know.

My wife even tries to play the sympathy card for her friend, "He is such an asshole for not trusting her." I cannot stop laughing. Girl hamsters are cute.

[–]RemyPrice 45 points46 points  (26 children)

Married chicks are fucking wonderful.

They don't require as much care and watering. Send 'em back to daddy as soon as they get to be a handful. Opt out of birthdays and other holidays because they're busy, but still get the birthday sex the day after.

And there's much less drama because they know you can gaslight them at any time if they don't mind their manners.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (16 children)

Amen, they are fucking awesome. They lie to their husbands, bring you food, fuck like a storm. And will do things sexually with you they will never do with their husbands.

[–]tuxedoburrito 2 points3 points  (15 children)

Why would they never do those things with their husbands? Sexually

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (13 children)

They do not respect their husbands. Hes a bank to withdraw from.

[–]tuxedoburrito 3 points4 points  (12 children)

Fuck that. There's a way to be alpha TRP husband though, yeah?

[–]Senior ContributorRedPope 18 points19 points  (5 children)

Sure, you can be the most alpha TRP husband ever. Tall, handsome, rich, and famous. So what? Still doesn't matter. Years pass and infatuation fades. Familiarity breeds complacency. Then boredom. Then contempt.

Way back in the 80s, there was a popular picture of a shirtless, hunky guy with the caption: "Remember: No matter how handsome he is, some woman out there is tired of putting up with his shit!"

Men aren't much different. That hunky guy photo was an imitation of the older and more popular version with a curvy bikini girl. She had the same caption, just different pronouns.

Marriage is foolish. Always has been. Even when adultery was punishable by death, infidelity still happened. Humans simply are not made for lifelong romantic commitments.

If you want monogamous companionship, you're better off with a string of 6-12 month long relationships. Be the alpha boyfriend, rock her world, and odds are pretty good she won't cheat on you during that term. But once you sense the infatuation waning, start looking for her replacement.

[–]Glenbert 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Humans simply are not made for lifelong romantic commitments.

Post started good, but I see you there, cultural Marxism. You sneaky devil.

Humans are not 'made' for most of what we do each day. We didn't evolve to pee in urinals, but somehow we manage to do it because we 'made' urinals for us. You're looking at it ass backwards.

This is how cultural Marxism works. It spits out this irrelevant, backwards (and often unproven) memes that people just accept. Then the deconstructing begins.

Gotta stay on your toes.

[–]1james-watson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are a fool with no life experience. Females get tired of any man given time, even the greatest alpha of all time. This is human biology.

In the past, when women didn't have the power to act on their impulses while getting Beta-Max bucks from daddy government, they'd stick it out for security, and maybe fuck their husbands once in a while.

Now? It's game over soon as tingles are gone. Look upthread for examples of apex alphas being dumped (Christiano Ronaldo, etc.).

It worked in the past due to females being kept in their rightful place: dependents. Now that they're full on citizens with massive female only safety nets? No chance in hell.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm a strong believe in women loving drama/competition.

Give them that in a subtle way and they'll keep up with the good shit for a while. This is assuming your perceived SMV is a good bit higher.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

you're better off with a string of 6-12 month long relationships.

Unless you want children.

Still doesn't matter. Years pass and infatuation fades. Familiarity breeds complacency. Then boredom. Then contempt.

Then you aren't playing the game right. You can always push the envelope. There's always a place to go to keep things fresh and exciting. It's not hard to keep the tingles going, especially if you're a kinky fuck.

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[–]tuxedoburrito 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you're insulting me for asking a question?

Real classy bud.

[–]Glenbert 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fuck that. There's a way to be alpha TRP husband though, yeah?

Um yeah. But he's not going to be on TRP. It would never occur to him to go looking anywhere on the internet for life advice.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

The latest one is a perfect example. She got horribly abused by her father to the point that blowjobs caused her to have mental breakdowns (past tense being key). So I started fucking her brains out and showed her that she could in fact have an orgasm during sex, and on top of that, many multiple orgasms (she was convinced like so many women before I bedded them that she was incapable of having an orgasm during sex).

Then I started fucking her in the ass. Something she claimed to have never done before and she was tight enough to make me believe it, given her other responses to it as well. Then I got her multiple orgasmming from getting ass-fucked.

Then I had her do a threesome with me and my fiancee, something she had never done with her husband.

She watched my fiancee suck my cock after I had blown a load in her. First she started to freakout (past abuse) and then she started to get turned on as we kissed.

I then put her on pause for a couple weeks, not taking or responding to her calls, texts, or emails. But she kept talking to my fiancee. Finally I asked her by text if she wanted to fuck. She raced over and I told her I needed her to suck my dick. She cried, shook, and took to it slowly and I gave her words and sounds of encouragement.

I didn't get off in her mouth the first few times because I know better (not my first rodeo so to speak). She hadn't done oral sex on her husband ever by her words (don't really care, just saying). She told me she would never want me to blow my load in her mouth. Well fuck that, I did while was finger fucking her pussy and asshole as I had her multiple O'ing and I held her head down till she swallowed.

She started to have a mini-freakout and I kept finger fucking her to orgasms. Instead of asking her or talking to her. I lead her mouth back to my cock and she resumed and I got off again in her mouth. After she complained about it I playfully dismissed it and told her it was too late.

Their husbands tend to be wimps, have no sexual prowess, and care what their women will and will not do. If a woman won't give you what you want sexually. She's disposable and temporary. Use her till you find something better, never marry her, and enjoy life.

[–]kalstate 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Yes, they fuck like rock stars, but they'll still cheat on you with that French guy in Miami. Took me a long time to like the French again..

[–]rpscrote 1 point2 points  (1 child)

just gotta brace your mind for impact. If shes cheating with you she'll cheat on you. Just accept itll happen and enjoy the time span between now and that inevitable date. And of course dont commit to be exclusive under any circumstances with em

[–]kalstate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was a hard hit, although I knew, deep down, it was coming. She took my virginity though...good memories.

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[–]anderson_buck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the profile in it's entirety: female and married

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

And there's much less drama

Until you fuck up and find yourself in a body bag.

[–]RemyPrice 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Every hot woman...

  • has a jealous ex that wants her back;

  • is cheating on some beta bucks;

  • has a desperate orbiter who is jealous you got her.

Just because they are married doesn't make this more or less of a risk. AWALT.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's a good point, but I don't think any of those are going to be inherently violent. The only time a man will get violent is when he feels his property has been violated. Orbiters, exes, and betas are not going to be holding that view.

You need to watch out for the psychopaths, and you'll never know who that is if you don't see who's being cheated on. Just saying, messing around with married women carries more risk than reward. There's plenty of girls out there, so why go after married ones? I suppose it goes back to abundance mentality.

[–]RemyPrice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I suppose it goes back to abundance mentality.

True. But, I'd rather a married chick who is honest about her cheating, than one who I don't know the back story about. C'est la vie.

[–]enjoyit7 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I find it so ironic that they are telling you that you are hurting this mans family. That woman doesnt care about him or their family at all. She's fucking you, chad the surfer across the country and god knows who else. Continue enjoying your self. Have a fun summer!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I dont care what they think. I show the world the truth and hope some men can learn

[–]1DRMMR76 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Hey, do what you want. But if the husband finds out, cracks, and ends up putting a bullet in the back of your head some night when you're taking out the trash or getting off work, I would honestly laugh at you if I somehow knew about it.

As a cop I've seen that sort of thing happen on more occasions than I can count, though not always lethal. Guy finds out girl is cheating, fucks the other guy up somehow. All the lifting and squats in the world can't stop a bullet. And whenever I do find out the whole story, my sympathy for the "victim" dries up.

[–]1edwardhwhite 4 points5 points  (0 children)

God, the thing that freaked me out after I swallowed the pill was the married women. I was blown away by the hypergamy. Felt shitty and great for me at the same time.

[–]NotQuiteRedPill 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, sorry... that dude deserves it. He's a whiny bitch letting her do her nonsense and I agree with the getting rid of the bro-knighting fools. I did that once when I was about 19. I told a good friend how his LTR was fucking another one of my friends. All that happened was I became the bad guy and the "cuckold" friend shook the other guy's hand (though he claimed he didn't mean it).

If you can't rein your woman in, you don't deserve her.

[–]NightGod 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is my personal favorite is when they get mad at hubby for accusing them on cheating on them, but they name the wrong guy.
"You're cheating on me!!"
With who?!
Who the fuck do you think you are?! Accusing me of cheating on you with that worthless piece of trash. I wouldn't fuck him if he was the last man on Earth and humanity was literally going to die out if I didn't!!! (I'm just glad you didn't say Kevin, because then I would have had to actually lie about it)

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

First of all, I have a GPS tracker on my wife's phone, I know where she is at all times. She knows about it. I told her its for her protection. Every married man should have this - no exceptions.

Secondly, my wife doesn't go on "With the Girls" vacations. LOL the mere suggestion of such a thing would send off alarm bells so loud it would threaten the trust in our marriage. She knows better than to even hint at it - and even better yet she has no desire to do anything that would even hint at impropriety as her personal reputation is something she values. She has taken our son for a few days to see her parents and her sister on two separate occasions, but its normal for her to want to visit family and I don't always want to come with her. She got a little huffy when I chose to stay home and called me 5-10 times a day when she was away.

Lastly, if I ever had a reasonably credible suspicion that my wife was straying in the marriage, she knows I would divorce her 1 strike and you're out - do not pass go - do not collect $200 - stone cold without blinking. Plus, gaslighting and trickle truths don't work on me. As soon as I sniff even a hint of bullshit I call it out and refuse to accept it. I'm a man, you either respect me or you don't - and if you don't I don't give a flying fuck - fuck you there's the fucking door.

I've already told her I don't care if divorce puts me living in a fucking cardboard box (which it won't thanks to the change in FL laws) I give no fucks. I have certain expectations in marriage, which I don't believe to be unreasonable, that need to be met - if they are not met then I will hit the reset button and seek out my happiness elsewhere. Also, my wife knows even at 43 years old, even if I lived in a cardboard box I would still get pussy and it would 100% likely be younger and hotter than her. I'm an attractive charming man, since I was 13 years old getting girls to like me was like swimming to a duck.

Someone might read this and say Wow what a controlling prick, I feel sorry for his wife. Don't feel sorry for my wife. My being this way - being confident and in control of the family household and my and our situation - is a big part of what turns her on and why she stays interested. Fucking moronic half a fag dipshits like the dude who's wife OP is banging don't have a clue. If they acted like a man, then their wives would probably treat them like a man. But since they don't have a spine or a set of balls - they're cucked ass losers living in perpetual humiliation.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Agree with everything you say. Its the type of red pill common sense that isn't so common out in bluepill land

I am curious though....do you think your wife wouldn't stray?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Given the right conditions any woman is capable of straying. Its up to you to keep your own house in order and your home fires lit.

[–]Real8inchDong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well fucking said. I agree on every point you made. I'm the same way.

[–]idonthaveacoolname13 2 points3 points  (0 children)

lol fuck bitches get money

[–]monochrome_rainbow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And so the husband's reward for his wife being "loyal" is her fucking other dudes. The rest of us can only be so lucky.


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[–]naturalredpill 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Abundance mentality, gentlemen. Married women are too much trouble unless you meet them at a bar and nothing better came along. And even then don't give them your last name.

[–]muuh-gnu 3 points4 points  (18 children)

I just don't think its cool to fuck another dudes wife

In a perfect world, it surely wouldnt be. TRP though, is a product of the disintegration and downfall of the western civilisation. If the world you know is going to end anyway and be replaced by cultures with more traditional and robust family ties, why not enjoy the easy downhill ride?

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (13 children)

Because I have to look at myself in the mirror. I live by a code (though I haven't always) and it gives me a sense of self value and an heir of chivalry that people notice. Helping an old timer unload his/her grocery cart or generally being a stand up dude makes me happier with myself, which makes me more confident, which raises my SMV.

RP doesn't mean living without a conscience.

If you can wreck some kids childhood so you can bust a nut while still being able to live with yourself go ahead. I just can't.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Im with you man, it just screams scarcity and lack of virtue. It's like what illimitableman said, just be aware that you not fucking a taken girl does not prevent others from fucking your girl. I'm even going as far these days as when a girl tells me at the club right in the middle of the seduction she has a bf I am walking away from her. Why? Because there's plenty of other pussy available to hit on that I don't have to fuck another guy over to get.

[–]elmariachi304 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You sir, are the man I aspire to be.

[–]skoobled 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Then that's your choice. By all means take it. I agree with you too. I know that I've fucked at least one marriage woman and found out after the fact, though...

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's fair enough if you didn't know. OP knew she was married and purposely tried to seduce her.

[–]Glenbert 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just can't.

Ditto. Moreover, you don't have to... unless you're just so unattractive that low quality married pussy is the only pussy available to you.

[–]malariasucks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

to me being Alpha means having values and not lowering yourself to someone's shitty standards. I'm not perfect but I don't see any glory in it even though the chase can be exhilarating.

[–]elmariachi304 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And here I thought I was the only one disgusted by OPs behavior. And I consider myself a member of this community.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Basically another AWALT post which is more about chest thumping your cheap score than giving any depth of analysis. I don't see how this was upvoted so much.

[–]Danedina -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Because real world examples are worth 10 posts of abstract musing.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is no detail, no backstory. Just "I banged some guy's wife who says she is loyal AF."

[–]Glenbert 0 points1 point  (0 children)

real world examples

Was there a link somewhere that I missed?

[–]uxl 9 points10 points  (10 children)

Original comment I was replying to (he deleted it): "Posts like this make me sick. I lose so much faith in humanity. Fuck 'plating'. What a messed up world this is. I don't want to alpha or even be associated with the human race. To hell with this red pill bullshit. I only like the posts about self-help and self-improvement. Men of this world, don't let bad experiences with women turn you into monsters. Take the high road. Maybe you'll actually make the world a better place? Did you ever think that's worth a try?"

My reply:

RP is about being a better man. Some pseudo-RP men are insecure or cowardly enough to think that being a better man means fucking another man's wife and hiding it like the slut does. Real RP would mean exposing the cunt and advising the husband to move on. Being an alpha means always trying to be the better man; slinking about with another man's wife is not being the better man, it is being a weak coward. If you fuck a man's wife, next that bitch and expose her shame as a warning to your fellow men. You've done the husband the double-favor of (hopefully) forcing him into monk-mode and ridding him of the slimy, disgusting, douche-hole parasite that is leaching him of his time and money.

[–]Pornography_saves_li 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Sure. 'Make an example of her'. Then, get ready for the false accusations.

[–]uxl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hidden cam. Or convince to make a sex vid. Either way.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I wonder why I have you as an ignored user?

[–]Pornography_saves_li 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You probably didnt want to hear what i was saying at some point.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I don't work that way, usually someone calling me a faggot because I disagree with them...

trust when I hit the button, it was for a good reason. later :)

[–]-rubashov 1 point2 points  (0 children)

RP is about being a better man Being an alpha means always trying to be the better man

TRP has nothing to do with morality. One mans morals are anothers sins.

[–]jons_throwaway 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I can completely agree with you.

Atleast RP is about being a better man for me. I have more respect and pride to fuck some other man's wife. I guess I should not expect the same.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Part of being an alpha means being a leader. A true leader has integrity.

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[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (25 children)

Your moral ideals are disconnected with reality and do your ability to interact with the world properly a disservice.

Please exit Disneyland and learn how the world actually works before projecting normative judgments everywhich direction.

[–]RoadToOneFifty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why are RPers talking like SJW feminists now? "normative judgments" ???

Also, "shaming language" (you didn't say it but it's a buzzword now 'round these parts) What the fuck man...

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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Putting your dick into someone's vagina does not equate to wrecking a family with kids.

Also, you're falsely ascribing to me some kind of motivation to brag on the internet. Maybe by doing so you thought that your point would be better received? Either way, this is a low-quality comment. Have a downvote.

[–]reddishman 3 points4 points  (2 children)

You are still living by the old set if books. This is why you can't comprehend what's happening and you feel like shit.

If you like by the new set of books you would think of this as every day boring shit that doesn't even need to be mentioned (level obvious). Life is better with the new set of books

[–]omnipedia -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Disrespect yourself for pussy, like OP is doing, is not the new set of books.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Let's make a deal. You refrain from fucking my girlfriend and keep your self-respect, and I'll fuck my girlfriend AND your wife, laugh about it, and you can try to make yourself feel better by telling me that I don't have self-respect.

[–]Limekill 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Did you ever think that's worth a try?

Is it? I don't agree with what this guy does - but why hasn't the husband dropped her ass? He puts up with it for god knows why.

Also shes just going to slut some other guy - their marriage was already dead (no loyalty - that is the point of marriage isn't?) before he came along.

As much as it pains me to write this: enjoy the decline.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Adorable post, but what you're describing is simply not a winning play. Society has moved on; the only answer is to play outside the cage it's set up for you.

[–]interestedplayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just go home and spew your bluepill feminist "dont be bitter" messages somewhere else. There is no place for it here...

[–]barmaleo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Act to whatever morals you have and stand by them. If wife fucking is something of out of boundaries for you then don't. If you cant keep yourself at bay whenever there's a wet pussy around then this is your problem not hers or humanity. Also the fact that world or unfaithful wives and their lovers doesn't fall in line with your concept of morality doesn't make the world a worse place or you a better person.
High road is bullshit. World would be a much better place if people just have followed their own words and promises they make to themselves.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (26 children)

I've got exactly the same feelings as you. Why the hell would you fuck a married woman? I don't care how confidence you're acting, don't you live with a conscience?

No matter how 'beta' this woman's husband is that doesn't give you a hall pass to fuck his wife. Even if she did come onto you then stay away from that slag. The post basically said you're an idiot for letting your wife go on this trip... so what you should dump her before she's gone risking the possibly that maybes she's not cheating?

[–]sirmadam 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is amoral…it is neither right or wrong. Remember, she made the vows to her husband, not OP.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (12 children)

No matter how 'beta' this woman's husband is that doesn't give you a hall pass to fuck his wife.

What loyalty do I have to a random man? Why should I have to give up an opportunity to fuck a woman just because he was dumb enough to put a ring on her finger?

She's the one that's cheating. Save your mewling, impotent rage for her, if you're going to direct it anyone.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (11 children)

Why would you want to fuck a married woman knowing you'd be contributing to the downfall of a marriage? Surely you can't be that desperate for sex, there's plenty of other pussy out there you can fuck without fucking over the husband as well.

You don't have to be 'loyal' to a man but that doesn't mean you can shag his wife when given the opportunity, how can you not see that's just wrong?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (10 children)

"Contributing to the downfall of marriage"? Nigger, are you serious? Marriage is fucking dead. Stick a fork in that shit, it's done. You're polishing the brass on the Titanic, son.

Also, this is a thinly veiled shaming tactic that you're employing here, ala "you're so desperate for sex you have to fuck married women." That sort of rhetoric is totally pathetic and you should cut it out. The point is that I simply don't care about the husband. He's the fool that married a skank, he's not my friend, he's not my ally. He is just some man who made a poor choice, and it's not my job to keep his wife in line. I'm not going to pass up some pussy that I want just because some other guy thinks he owns it due to him blowing a month's salary on a ring.

[–]interestedplayer 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Go back to bluepill land, or dont comment. We have no need for people like you here.

[–]DXGypsy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hold on, this is a discussion board. Commenters are allowed to disagree. Otherwise all your have is a circle jerk echo chamber

[–]648262 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Why do you feel bad about sleeping with women already in a relationship?

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[–]TreePlusTree 18 points19 points  (5 children)

If you think it's immoral, you don't have to do it. Honestly, there's a pretty big split in the community on this very issue, and it makes some sense. On the one hand, fuckin a dudes wife is some shit. On the other hand, that's her responsibility, not yours.

The way I see it, and I apply this to alot of shit, if she doesn't care enough about him to not fuck another man, why should I care enough to not fuck an eager chick?

I mean, go ahead and turn her down if you want. Maybe she'll take your rejection to heart, maybe she'll learn basic human compassion, maybe she'll decide right then and there that cheating is wrong and she'll never do it again. But you got to admit, you're really hampering yourself based on a whole lot of maybes.

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[–]interestedplayer 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Wow I mean, I get it, there are many new guys. They are excited about this cool new swaggy subreddit they found and the advice helping them better their lives.



I say this as a personal appeal to every new person here: Just dont participate until you know what you are doing. Just profit. Isnt that a good deal?

Dont bring feminist judging and bluepill shaming into one of the few places where men can think freely...

[–]1Jaereth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Common misconception. He's not sticking himself in the middle of it. He's fucking a woman casually that happens to be a member of that unit. It's not like he's going to go on their summer vacation with them.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm really curious to see the where society will go next. how many men will check out? how will women react? what happens to the economy? how will the government react?

take a seat and grab some popcorn.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The sad part is she sees nothing wrong with how shes behaving. Thats the part about present day women in society that scares me the most, theyre not necessarily vindictive or even intentionally immoral, they honestly see nothing wrong in their actions.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At 18 when I walked down a busy street and saw most housewives eye-fucking me next to their hubbies I instinctively knew "something was up".

Now I know.

[–]BrotherBloodAngel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"This feels too good to me to give up so I can't possibly be doing something wrong. It's different." Hamster = drug addict logic

[–]slutnip 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Water seeks its own level

The amount of married women that chase me would make most of the guys here jaws drop. Sleeping with a married woman wont make me happy and typically those women aren't happy/successful people in their own lives

Id rather stick my dick in a blender

[–]TempusRerumImperator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To women, words are truly better than actions. I have girls say this shit all the time, even if i saw them do the opposite days ago. Its part of the lovely beast we call the hamster, and allows them to be truly free of responsibilities, and delude themselves, often in our favor. Hamstering is the only reason i get laid, truth be told.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For those complaining about him "hurting" the family, she's the one that's cheating and she was already a shitty person for her to do that shit in the first place, and if it wasn't him she would be riding some other guy's cock.

The one to blame is the beta husband, he's the one that thought he could transform a slut into a lady.

[–]jewishclaw 1 point2 points  (0 children)

About 75% of the taken girls i've fucked have mentioned in passing how loyal they are, with a completely straight face.

[–]2cold2hold2hot2handl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is why you can't trust a woman's "count" she doesn't count dicks she's sucked or fucked because "it doesn't count because I feel it shouldn't"

holy fuck how can a being exist in reality with such a disconnect from it? That's a fucking superpower!

[–]hardfork 0 points1 point  (10 children)

What was the guy supposed to do other than whine?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children)

Exactly! He can't dump her for having suspicions just yet. He either dumps her for having suspicions before she's cheated then gets labelled as asshole, or dumps her after she's cheated then gets labelled a beta. You really can't win with these people.

[–]1independentmale 8 points9 points  (3 children)

He can't dump her for having suspicions just yet.

Like hell he can't. What sort of world do you live in where you're stuck with someone you don't like because you don't yet have a "good enough reason" to leave her? You can divorce a bitch for any reason or no reason at all.

Who gives a damn what he gets labeled? It doesn't matter what you do, somebody is going to label you. I got labeled all sorts of nasty things when I dumped my wife. Lost an entire social circle of friends, but you know what, fuck them. I made new friends.

I lived in misery for many years with a wife who neither loved nor respected me. I thought I was trapped, too. I wasn't - it was all in my head. Simply being unhappy in a relationship is reason enough to leave. If you want out, get out. You don't have to wait for her to give you a reason. You're only prolonging the agony.

[–]PBRistasty 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Dafuk????? You damn sure can dump her ass for having suspicions. why would you care if someone labels you an asshole?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (16 children)

A lot of people might tell you that sleeping with another man's wife is fucked up but if you weren't doing it, someone else would.

[–]machimus 36 points37 points  (13 children)

That's such a shitty argument though. If you want to do it, do it because you want to do it. Man up and don't justify it as okay because if you didn't then someone else would. Applies to anything.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (12 children)

I think the appropriate argument would be based on the nature of the relationships. A husband/wife make a mutual agreement at marriage to be faithful to eachother: it's essentially a two-party contract. OP/third party has no relevance to the agreement/contract. If someone cheats, THEY broke the contract.. not the third party.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The third party does incur a substantial risk if shit goes south.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've seen it go both ways. It's a risk you take, life is full of decisions and concequences, no different here

[–]malariasucks 0 points1 point  (3 children)

basically you're helping someone rob a bank, then saying you're innocent. You didn't rob the bank, but you aided.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

No because robbing a bank is using force to steal the money of others and violating their rights. Making love, even with a married chick, is a mutual voluntary interaction between two people. She's entirely in the wrong. Hell, u could even argue that it's wrong to deprive her of sex if she's unhappy in her marriage . A married man doesn't have the "right" to a faithful wife, and dictate his wife's life, but he has a right to dump her for being a hoe

[–]malariasucks 0 points1 point  (1 child)

you're talking about the act of stealing while I am more talking about the principle/contract aspect.

You took part in breaking the contract, so morally you are in the same boat if you choose to believe that cheating is immoral.

A married man doesn't have the "right" to a faithful wife

I would say taking a vow does entitle you as long as you're not cheating or abusing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If we formed a contract that I'm going to exclusively sell your Pepsi at my business, but you find out I'm secretly selling Coke products on the side, Coke isn't responsible, liable, or guilty of anything- it was me that broke the contract. Helping someone break a contract isn't even remotely the same as being the one who broke the contract.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children)

If you knew she was married then 'someone else will do it so why not me' doesn't give you a free pass to fuck this woman. Are people really that desperate for some pussy they'd be willing to contribute to the downfall of a marriage just to get some? There's plenty of other pussy out there, don't metaphorically fuck the husband as well.

[–]Elkmont 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You're taking the responsibility of holding the sanctity of marriage away from the woman as if the woman was not the individual who made the vows and made the conscious decision to get some strange. In an ideal world sure, all men look out for one another, but we like to recognize realities not ideals.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

it's not my marriage, I don't care about it. If she's willing to cheat, she's contributing to the downfall of her marriage, not the 3rd party.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's fair enough, I personally wouldn't want to be the one who she does it with. I'd look past the fact it's just sex and look at what it does to other people.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's still immoral to assist someone in violating a contract. Same idea behind buying knowingly stolen goods.

[–]Gyissan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well, other people already were anyways.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Wisen the poor chump up about this, you dick. You're almost as bad as your imaginary female plate.

[–]RP15 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Seriously. For all he knows, there is a guy held in place with under threat of divorce rape and ruining his relationship with his children, and this fucking vulture is screwing his wife right in front of him. What a monster

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

it's just money, he can make more.

this isn't somalia, there is no situation you cant come out of like the pipe in shawshank

[–]RP15 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You cannot nessecarily repair a ruined relationship with your children. You cannot get time back with them after they've been taken and turned against you by a harpy. This man is knowingly contributing to that end result and it's wrong.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm talking about the fear of divorce.

[–]RP15 1 point2 points  (11 children)

I don't think I would have let her get away with saying something like that. At what point can we recognize that this is just stupidity?

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (10 children)

Why bother, she's disposable pussy to use and throw away. Who gives a fuck if she learns anything, knows anything, or becomes a better person. She's walking pussy to use till the next one comes about.

[–]RP15 3 points4 points  (9 children)

Because she should be ashamed of herself.

But honestly, at what point can we stop saying "women act on their feelings" and instead acknowledge that it's just plain stupidity?

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (5 children)

Caring whether or not she's ashamed of her conduct is a waste of time. She's something to use, a thing, a pussy, not a person. People don't cheat on their husbands like that. Things do, and you don't respect things, that's a waste of time. Things are used till they are worthless and then are thrown away.

I don't waste my time with thinking about what women act on or whatever. I have my locked-in LTR and I fuck trim on the side. My current piece is a married woman. Live, lift, fuck, move on.

[–]RP15 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Women only act in such a depraved way because nobody ever calls them out on their complete and utter bullshit. I, for one, would rather have women ashamed of this kind of insanity than have open hypergamy. If a woman said that to me, I would have to point out how obviously and all-consumingly dumb she is.

[–]Limekill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mate you might think its good to call them out - and perhaps it is, but the issue is you are the 1%. The other 99% does not (white knight). So in the end it looks like you have the problem - not them.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

And you can piss into the wind if you like. Me, I'll save my breath and enjoy life.

[–]through_a_ways 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Because she should be ashamed of herself

I think when you start to enjoy getting dicked by guys, shame basically stops being an emotion

[–]RP15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have you ever tried to hold a woman accountable for their behavior? Their response is almost always "why are you making me feel guilty?" They possess the capacity for shame, but their morals are drawn from group consensus, not an internal compass the way a man's is. We could make all of this stop if we shamed women for this bullshit

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

'should' need to be a banned word from the TRP lexicon.

should is about wishing, shit in the other hand, see which fills up first.

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's quite a puritan point of view.

There a lot worse things you can do than have consensual sex with someone who told another person she wouldn't: there's rape, theft, assault, murder, not to mention CHEATING on a loved one. For all you know OP gives to charity. For all you know OP has founded multiple charitable organizations. His having sex with someone who told another person she wouldn't is a far cry from illustrating his moral value.

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[–]NabroleonBonaparte 12 points13 points  (19 children)

Oh the irony of your comment...

You sit here and bitch about everyone's ego then condescendingly mention how little people's ego matters to you. So tell me why something that matters so little merits your input?

No one gives a fuck what you want to see from this sub. If you want something here, post it yourself.

You're not a mod, don't worry about shit except learning and contributing.

Once you climb down from that high horse you can meditate on how easily the ego can slip back into one's life

[–]RemyPrice 6 points7 points  (15 children)

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