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Red Pill ExampleItalian hedge fund manager: 'Never, ever marry an American woman' (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana

Summary: Billion dollar hedge fund manager advises against marrying an American woman, saying they are too demanding. Comments section of the article overwhelmingly agrees with him.


It may seem that I have something against American women given my last two submissions regarding them:

It's easy to pile on when it comes to American women, but more and more men are realizing that they are a bad deal overall, including men who are the cream of the crop.

Recent article from Yahoo Finance:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/italian-hedge-funder-never-ever-144312002.html

"Never, ever marry an American woman. That’s the advice I give my friends."

It may seem an odd way to start an interview, especially one with a female American reporter who is married, but Davide Serra, an Italian hedge fund manager based here in London, is not one to opine gently, or particularly carefully.

According to The Times, Serra finds that American women are too demanding.

The article itself is not that interesting and is mostly clickbait, but the comments section is interesting in that the commenters seem to overwhelmingly agree with the hedge manager. Each paragraph is a separate comment:

Women in the United States want a medal for doing what they are supposed to do; I am not sexist; I believe in equal rights for all; but women here are completely lost it. I will not married an American woman.

It reminds me of the time I was dating a girl. Valentines day was right around the corner. The city I was living in at the time didn't have many restaurants for an intimate dining experience and I knew the ones that did would have been extremely overcrowded. I decided that I would take her out to a very nice dinner the day before Valentines day, then I also made a very fancy dinner at home on Valentines day. So my g/f got two special evenings. I was the villain because we didn't do a restaurant on Valentines day.

He may have a point. I asked an Americanized women about relationships and what she wanted. She said, "He needs to be funny, confident, have a good job, patience, gentlemen like, well educated, respectful, and a good listener." My response, "Those are wonderful characteristics in a mate. Besides superficial looks, what attributes do you think a good women should have to attract such a man? She gave a me a blank stare and said, "What do you mean? All we need to attract men is to be pretty and have a nice figure" She laughed. My response, "Single you say?!?"

Many Western women, especially Europeans and Americans, have been raised with an extreme sense of entitlement, as well as the view that men are resources to be exploited. If and when Serra gets divorced from his Italian wife, he will find out exactly how entitled she feels she is.

The typical American woman doesn't believe she needs to bring ANYTHING to the table other than her physical being. While they believe the man needs to bring EVERYTHING—money, attentiveness, brains, kindness, helpfulness. They don't understand that chivalry goes both ways.

He's so right. Been dating foreign women for years and boy are they NICE! American women are too high maintenance, needy and mostly FAT! Try a women from another country and you'll never go back.

As a married American woman I'd still have to agree with him. I work for attorneys and see firsthand how most American woman are gold digging vampires. If I were a man with any kind of wealth I would never marry, let alone an American woman!

I think he probably meant American women cost too much and our laws are too liberal where they can take everything you ever worked for in a blink of an eye.

...and the comments go on and on - eventually I got tired of scrolling.


Lessons learned:

  • Even men in the top 0.01% advise against dating/marrying American women.
  • People who read financial websites overwhelmingly agree: American woman are a bad deal.
  • Non-American women are much better all around, but beware because AWALT.

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 296 points297 points  (190 children)

The more beautiful a woman is, the more entitled she is likely to be.

The problem in America? Women have pushed society in a direction wherein ALL women are special and beautiful, regardless of actually being attractive.

Fat women can be beautiful. Ugly women can be beautiful. Every woman no matter what flaws internal and/or external, can be beautiful.

With that mindset established, less attractive women are not humbled, not as they are in other countries. In other countries, if you're ugly and you have no motivation to be anything other than ugly, you get what you get, and generally speaking, you get very little.

In America? You're all beautiful! You can have the most beautiful men in the world, even if that doesn't make any fucking sense.

All this coddling and patting on the back, and that's why our society is turning into shit at an exponential rate.

[–]BowlOfCandy 140 points141 points  (90 children)

[–][deleted] 110 points111 points  (63 children)

Wow so true. Beautiful women staying at the finish line saying to every winner that crosses it: "I'll suck your dick, I'll suck your dick."

The line between escorts and American women is getting blurred and I'm not even drunk.

[–]anecdotal 65 points66 points  (57 children)

I think it blurred in the sexual revolution then separated out again as the boomers hit the wall and ripped each other to shreds in divorce court as their children watched. Hiring an escort is now a much better deal than marriage and probably the only way you're getting sex.

[–][deleted] 69 points70 points  (55 children)

I get sex from Tinder girls but the hassle is not worth it.

Even my little sister who is a 19 yo virgin wants to find hot guys while in college while on a scholarship. I told her that's great if she doesn't plan on getting married and having a family. She said she wants a family but only AFTER the hot college guys. She is clueless to say the least.

So yeah there is no hope to find a good woman in America unless you are top 10% of males and then you get the priviledge to see your life get destroyed once you commit long enough.

[–]2cold2hold2hot2handl 117 points118 points  (50 children)

She said she wants a family but only AFTER the hot college guys. She is clueless to say the least.

Did you explain to her that no decent man will marry a slut?

[–]TRPIdentifier 105 points106 points  (9 children)

this is the only time OP will ever upvote someone who called their sister a slut

[–]2cold2hold2hot2handl 36 points37 points  (7 children)

True! Not that she is a slut... but she's definitely considering it... I wonder if that's her own choice.. or all her "besties" do it so she follows along.

[–]whyalwaysm3 54 points55 points  (5 children)

99% positive its influence. I've seen the nicest girls become whores due to the people they surround themselves with.

[–]2cold2hold2hot2handl 20 points21 points  (4 children)

That's what I was thinking.. no person is just sitting there alone and then goes: "I know!! I'll just start fucking EVERYONE!!"

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 13 points14 points  (0 children)

"I was there, when someone on Reddit called OP's sister a slut and was upvoted. You kids these days, you have no idea."

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Sure they will. Theres tons of chumps.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (12 children)

Yes but her tingles are strong. Women today are behaving like men that's why society is going downhill fast.

[–]2cold2hold2hot2handl 20 points21 points  (10 children)

Ah.. and if you helped or tried to explain it to her:

"Stop mansplaining.. I'm a strong independent feminist, I can have sex like men do if I want.. leave me alone..god..yer such a loser..seriously..omg"

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (5 children)

100% right. She thinks I want to control her life LMFAO. I don't care. People can make their choices as adults.

[–]2cold2hold2hot2handl 31 points32 points  (3 children)

I'd film her saying that she wants to bang hot dudes then get married after college.

Then show the video at her wedding.

But I'm an evil twisted, vengeful fuck.

[–]kanji_sasahara 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is assuming that they act like adults. We know that this is simply not the case. I believe the phrase was that women are "the most mature teenager is the household."

[–]occupythekitchen 1 point2 points  (3 children)

yeah good luck getting women to woo a man instead of letting him woo her and then spreading her legs. sex is a challenge for us to them it's a mission

[–]2cold2hold2hot2handl 4 points5 points  (2 children)

All you need is high SMV and they do all the work.

[–]Wambo45 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No they're not. They're not behaving like men AT ALL. Promiscuity is not the end all, be all of what defines whether a person is acting like a man or not. FAR from it, actually. To say that women are acting more like men pretty boldly stands in the face of everything red pill is trying to make you privy of. I don't know one single woman who acts anything like I do. You should be able to say the same.

[–]weirdnamedindian 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Guys will marry sluts. The question is - Will the sluts be loyal and respect a man who did? From current evidence, the answer is no. He'll most likely be cuckoled or divorce raped and in worst cases, both.

[–]2cold2hold2hot2handl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"decent man"

Not some beta buck bastidio!

[–]epixs 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Bro I tried explaining to one of my sisters about what happens when you slut around after finding disgusting shit on her ipad and phone (during the summer I come home from school) . I bring it up with my parents and instead the whole house ganged up on me and ofcourse my sisters fake sprinkers ran off and I looked like the utterly most complete bad guy in the house.

It's wasteful to even try, you always seem to come out as the bad guy. All I was trying to do was explain to her how having slutty friends will mean you will become as well. Instead I was hit with that, "you're so inconsiderate", "wow you dont want me to have friends", "your such an asshole for not trusting me", etc...

It's hard to maintain frame when your own family starts putting you as the bad guy when all you really want is to have sisters who have good futures....fuck man

[–]2cold2hold2hot2handl 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I give you full credit for trying.. you did your part.. now get ready for the "I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO" speeches :)

I wish women today weren't so fucking narcissistic... and I'm sick of this "society is making me take pictures of sharpies up my anus"

BITCH YOU ARE SOCIETY!! THE FUCK'S WRONG WITH YOU?

Just curious about your parent's reaction to your sisters shit on her ipad...

[–]epixs 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Your typical reaction to plugged in parents...

"Our daughters an angel/ she would never do that / stop harassing here (lol?) /etc..." I'm done honestly, I can always maintain frame except my family since I was so close with them. Ah well

[–]2cold2hold2hot2handl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you show your parents the pictures?

Sometimes shock is the only way to wake people up.

[–]CryptoOrchid 5 points6 points  (12 children)

How many guys equals a slut? I'm curious really.. I mean.. Fucking how many guys is too many? My number is in the teens somewhere.. I think a girl should have some sexual experience prior to marriage right? Besides that.. If no girl put out when I was in high school and college and such my life would have sucked.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (6 children)

2-3 guys per sexually active year is probably an average number. Take her age - 14 x 2.5. Thats the baseline. Anything below that is low miles.

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus 7 points8 points  (1 child)

The alternative should also be borne in mind, the serial monogamist who seeks to avoid slut status on a technicality. A 21 year old in this category might only have had 3-5 partners but you can be sure she's suffering from as many defects and delusions as your garden variety skank.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Slut should really be more about state of mind than miles of pipe laid. Unless you are dealing with STDs. Ive been with some sluts, and Ive been with some average girls. Didnt see tons of difference between them actually.

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[–]CryptoOrchid -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Ok.. I think this makes sense. In the past, I actually refused to sleep with virgins. Probably in part because of the whole clingy thing that would happen after, but I always felt that I wouldn't be good enough to be someone's first. I never wanted that burden.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It probably wouldnt matter. She likely wouldnt know the difference.

[–]Cloughtower 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This may interest you

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Anything above 2-3 per lifetime.

[–]CryptoOrchid 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What about guys? Cuz if that counts for guys, I'm a whore.

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn't, you have to work for sex, it's an achievement, it raises your value, women come from a different place: sex is a given almost all the time, but they lose value when they give it up in the eyes of every other man (might not seem that way but think about it on a spectrum from virgin to crack whore, who's most desirable?).

The short way of putting it on TRP: a key that opens every lock is a master key but a lock opened by every key is a bum lock.

[–]AdorableAnt 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No top notch alpha that all women soon over will marry a slut.

Most regular guys, many of them decent, albeit not top 5%, will and do.

[–]1APookIsAPook 0 points1 point  (3 children)

This is silly. A girl can easily just lie about her number, and even if they don't they'll still find a decent guy if they're a 6 or above.

[–]2cold2hold2hot2handl 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Hopefully not for much longer.

[–]1APookIsAPook 1 point2 points  (1 child)

There will always be a betas who would love the opportunity to marry a cute slut

[–]2cold2hold2hot2handl -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I see the MGTOW movement is getting some speed... not for much longer, hopefully.

I might start a MRA club here where I live and see what kind of group we can get going.

[–]BrunoOh 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Explain to her that she can either have ten years of being beautiful in the eyes of all men, or a lifetime of being beautiful for one.

[–]kadykinns 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol honestly that beautiful

[–]anecdotal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't mean to imply that's the only way to get sex of course. The meat markets are vast and numerous, especially in the digital age. I'd rather pay a fairly-priced hooker for an hour of her time than deal with dating, and game, and having to constantly tip toe around feelings and not having time to my dorky hobbies (edit: didn't even mention marriage, which is where, so I've heard, the sex stops)--so, yeah I don't do it. Every now and then I'll get a reminder from my penis letting me know it's still there and I'll begrudgingly hit up the online sites, go on a couple dates, have a few flings, realize all women are fucking crazy, stupid, evil or all of the above and then go back to monk.

[–]fckredditt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She said she wants a family but only AFTER the hot college guys.

it is known. they ride the cock carousel then settle on a provider.

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hear hear. Escorts go to the true nature of women, they like money more than sex, perfect, let them get paid per cumshot.

[–]Evolved_Red 74 points75 points  (21 children)

Women don't want to go through the hard yards and be a winner for themselves, they want to fuck the winner and show him off to their girlfriends.

[–]NikoMyshkin 48 points49 points  (19 children)

that's exactly what Esther Vilar said in her book The Manipulated Man. In 1971. And she still gets death threats from femininsts for it.

[–]Evolved_Red 9 points10 points  (16 children)

I've been meaning to get that book. Thanks for the reminder, friend.

[–]NikoMyshkin 28 points29 points  (15 children)

seriously - i recently finished it and i feel different in a hugely positive way. She reinforces just how toxic to a man it can be to have the feminine imperitive conditioned upon him. And just how conditioned men are to not even notice it!

the book is pure venom against those women that use beauty to entrap men (ie virtually all) and all mothers that inadvertently prepare their sons to serve as money slaves to over-entitled women. she even makes the point about american women being the worst - and how this inevitably will spread across the first world.

she also explains that the whole beauty/fashion industry isn't something men forced on women - that we didn't make them shallow - they were always like this! yet, when married, women still turn around and pretend that they "gave up their career for marriage". In truth, very, very few beautiful women choose the hard path of making their own money (if/when a truly ugly woman does so - it doesn't mean she is virtuous - she didn't have a choice. Only the beautiful have a choice. And we all know what most of them choose.)

she makes so, so, so many lucid points that I cannot list them all here. I intend to write a review or at least a summary of which points affected me the most.

Put it this way: I honestly feel this book has caused me to complete the process of fully internalising the Red Pill mindset. Her arguments explain why Tomassi et al are right - but from a woman's perspective.

Her section about the masculine desire to simply understand, and man's (not woman's) essentially infinte interest and curiosity in the physical world really struck a chord. Women, in comparison, only care about what is immediately useful to them. And they impose this on men. Which is horrible.

I cannot say enough good things about this book.

[–]cariboo_j 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Stardusk expanding on Esther Villar's concept of the male desire for unfreedom

[–]NikoMyshkin 2 points3 points  (3 children)

thanks for this. FWIW I think vilar nailed the central essence of the concept of the male desire for unfreedom. stardusk certainly makes some interesting points tho eg ideas unite men, the borg concensus unites women ie diversity of opinion is highly rare [amongst women]. women rarely being lonely (due to eg fellow borg members, beta orbiters, general low friendship-barrier) as an expansion to the idea of men craving non-freedom is also very interesting. as he says - women can't even deal with being alone for a short while whilst men just have to learn to be alone. we have a lesser choice (more demanding of our friends) and perhaps that in part drives our desire for non-freedom.

that concept really, really struck home with me and I believe will prove to be a pivotal moment for me. I was just thinking about how this book, written so many years before my birth, could have so potently effected positive change in my earlier days - had I just come across it.

[–]cariboo_j 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I like Stardusk’s idea that men see women as a solution to their existential angst. Some sort of refuge from an indifferent universe and a society that views males as disposable. Most women have a much more mundane thought life and don't struggle with these feelings of insignificance in a vast universe.

Some would say this is purely beta love, looking for a motherly figure in a mate. I think even TRP is guilty of this to a certain extent. A lot of guys talk about how women should be submissive, feminine, make a nice home to return to after a hard day of work, etc etc. They want a pleasant refuge from an indifferent and uncaring world.

I'm just now coming to the realization that refuge will not be found with a female. In the words of Barbarossa "You will not find solace in the bosom of a woman!" (Another good vid to watch if you haven't seen it.)

Women and female affection ARE the cold and indifferent universe. Their sexual attraction is mostly hypergamy which is informed by the blind and unthinking forces of evolution.

Once I realized that... well I'm becoming increasingly indifferent to LTR's. Avoiding them actually. I'll take the occasional no strings attached sex but I'm certainly not pursuing it.

Looking back on my last LTR, she would make completely selfish and childish demands. But I remember thinking... "she needs me! I feel so useful! I have a purpose! A clear path!"

I wish I'd discovered Esther Villar and the manosphere then. I'd have realized what a bullshit and self destructive line of thinking that was. The wierd thing was these thoughts just popped into my head. Since so many men experience the same thing, I have a suspicion that it might be at least partly biological.

[–]the99percent1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is.. it's all part of Nash game theory.

in any relationship, there is always a power struggle. One gives in to another.

And when given the choice or opportunity, chances are, she will fuck you over for her selfish gain.

[–]NikoMyshkin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with everything you have and have myself followed a similar progression.

One point I would like to add is that Vilar's book filled me with immense optimism and helped me reconnect with the things that give my life meaning independently of any external validation or source of comfort.

as with most men I love philosophy, design, mathematics, videogames etc - anything creative - simply for its own sake without any need of it being useful. women only value things if they are of an immediate use to them. men usually respect decent design and find beauty in all of sorts of intelligent complexity - from videogames to the pattern of leaves to how photosynthesis works.

Vilar's work made me realise that I had internalised the feminine perspective: that things only have a value if they are of an immediate use. that crushed my passion for life - it weakened my vitality. as soon as I realised that I have a right to love things and find things interesting solely for their own intrinsic beauty (not because they are useful) I felt alive again.

her book literally made me smile, set a part of me free.

then, of course, her short section on freedom and procrastination. wow. i love this book.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I intend to write a review or at least a summary of which points affected me the most.

I'd read it. Sounds interesting. I never finished reading the entire thing. Thought it was dry in the beginning.

[–]NikoMyshkin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

by page 50 i was hooked. started really taking off for me about p40. i'm planning on rereading it soon and will write something then. truly stunning book.

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Thanks for this, I had never heard of that book before, will try to find a copy of it. Sounds wonderful.

[–]NikoMyshkin 0 points1 point  (5 children)

np, there's a link in the sidebar.

although I actually bought a paperback copy in preference to a pdf. whichever way - read read read dude.

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Sounds good, looking for a PDF now.

[–]NikoMyshkin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

dude - the link is in the sidebar

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I've already got so many books on my list from /getmotivated and /getdisciplined and /Nofap. Now I'm going to have books from /theredpill too. Looks like I've got a lot of self improvement in my future. Good.

[–]NikoMyshkin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

took me about five hours to finish, over two days.

at least half of that time was me putting the book down to muse over her increbidle points and to just go 'woah'.

[–]squiggledash 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Just watched a you tube talk by Esther Vilar. Amazing. I have never heard that point of view from a women before or even a man for that matter!

Her insight into things is truly unique and I think spot on.

[–]NikoMyshkin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it really, really helped me. her book made so many points that helped me complete the RP internalisation.

just as one example: men are inherently curious about everything. we love to learn and have massive amounts of intrinsic passion and creativity. however women want a provider. they are only interested in things that have an immediate value - to them. so they belittle the things that give a man pleasure.

her book is linked from the sidebar. it is very well worth the read.

[–][deleted] 58 points59 points  (0 children)

"Women don't want to win, they want a winner." Patrice O'Neal

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Bill Burr is easily one of the best comedians of all time, partially because he fucking gets it, and also because he presents harsh, shitty reality in the funniest way possible.

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[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It wasn't rare at all during the last century. Blame divorce law.

[–]Glenbert 19 points20 points  (4 children)

The more beautiful a woman is, the more entitled she is likely to be.

My favorite thing is the phenomenon of the former hot girl. They are complete lunatics. I work with a former hot girl who, at 40, still has tantrums... and no one cares. We keep her around because she has a few good connections.

It's hilarious.

[–]Squeezymypenisy 1 point2 points  (2 children)

It's like their saying ex-president or something. That they got between 10 and 20 years of validation and attention and then losing it makes them some sort of "veteran."

[–]Glenbert 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Not really.

Bush and Clinton fully understand that their time as commander in chief has passed. Former hot girl can't even conceive of any other state of being.

[–]Squeezymypenisy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I wasn't clear enough. What I am saying is that former hotgirls are referring to their time as a hot girl as if it was a great as a presidents. Which I guess for sluts it could be. I wasn't saying the former presidents felt that way.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 83 points84 points  (44 children)

If you wanna see some amazing cognitive dissonance, casually ask some of your female friends to give you one good reason for men to get married nowadays ...

They'll start hamstering away, and if you just keep responding to each reason they give with a "hmm" or "how so?", you can almost see the hamster becoming more and more frenetic. Trying frantically to justify themselves, their behavior, their sense of entitlement. Like a hamster on crack cocaine.

They're all entitled because they've never had to face the truth. But when you hold the mirror up to them, to their beliefs, you can see the cracks in the facade.

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 45 points46 points  (12 children)

At the end of the day, most women will still believe what they believe in, especially if you try to convince them otherwise. Yet for all it is worth, they won't ever do what they believe, but they will believe that someone else is at fault when they do something wrong.

They will also be more apt to take credit when it is undue, but contrarily, they will also be more apt to deflect blame when it is due.

[–][deleted] 79 points80 points  (6 children)

This Rachel Dolezal shit is such a perfect example of this.

Man gets caught wearing a T-shirt with naked ladies on it on the day he lands a spacecraft on a fucking asteroid? He apologizes and cries on live TV.

Woman gets caught lying about her race, family, and identity for ten years? She doesn't apologize for SHIT.

Matt Taylor could learn a thing or two from Rachel Dolezal about holding frame TBH. That bitch doesn't just HOLD her delusional frame... She clings to it like a fucking barnacle

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Had she been a part of a society that held women to higher standards, Rachel Dolezal would've folded just as easily as Matt Taylor had. Her frame is due to the fact that society generally doesn't hold women accountable to the same degree that men are held accountable.

[–]1mojo_juju 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Not to mention Tim Hunt, the knighted scientist who had to apologize for his critique of women scientists... Thereby confirming his point that they cry and take it personally when criticized...

[–]fckredditt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

he only cried because of the unfairness of the situation and how he was forced into apologizing. he couldn't give less of a flying fuck for wearing a t shirt that a woman gave him. everyone at nasa knows it too. everyone in the whole fucking world knows it too including all the feminists crying. the only thing going on here is bullshitting. feminists know it doesnt matter but they are using it to push their agenda. nasa knows it doesn't matter but they gotta play the pr game. general people know it doesn't matter but the men don't want to look sexist and the women want an excuse to hang men up on. the entire situation is fucking atrocious.

[–]Rathadin 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I actually support Rachel Dolezal. She is the logical conclusion of the current liberal ideology of America and the rest of the Western nations.

Transgender used to be a mental illness. It was even classified in the DSM IV as such. Now its a "lifestyle choice".

If the left can arbitrarily decide, against psychologists and psychiatrists, that transgenderism is a "lifestyle choice", that "gender is a social construct", then so too must race be a social construct, which also paves the way for transracialism.

My lefty friends get pissed off when I point this out to them. The left was pissed off when they found out about Rachel Dolezal. Because she used their own logic - such as it is - against them.

The reality of the situation though, is that what's acceptable is whatever they claim is acceptable, and whenever they claim it.

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I feel it. Everyone loves when people use liberal hamstering to harm themselves (transgender), but everyone HATES when people use it to HELP themselves by artificially enhancing their position in the victim Olympics (pretending to be black is like a victim complex on steroids)... Because they're abusing the liberal ideology for personal gain, but its ACTUALLY only intended to promote personal HARM (Bruce Jenner)

Liberal ideology is retarded, self-defeating, and encourages ritual self-harm for group approval (self-flagelattion)... It has nothing to do with logic, its about feelz and prostrating oneself before the crowd. Its basically Christianity.

Rachel Dolezal has incredible frame tho

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Want a better example : Lena vs Josh... They both molested a kid albeit lightly (no penetration) that was about 7 years younger.

He's a monster, she's great.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/bristolpalin/2015/06/lets-get-this-straight-liberals-what-kinds-of-molestation-are-acceptable/

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Yep, it's not worth trying to change their beliefs. But even if you don't confirm those beliefs, by responding with a simple "hmm" or "how so?", they struggle with them. They expect you to validate them.

By not agreeing or disagreeing with them, you disqualify them in a sense, and they immediately start trying to qualify themselves. That's where the cognitive dissonance comes in.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (2 children)

If you ask "Why?" after everything a man says, eventually he'll say "hmmm... I'm not sure."

If you do the same to a woman, eventually she'll get mad and cry

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Especially in a science lab.

Too soon?

[–]1madmanamongmany 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not at all dude. Not at all.

[–]CornyHoosier 26 points27 points  (23 children)

I've asked before ...

Their reply: "Because of love and because you want to spend all your time with them."

Me: "But what about them makes me want to spend all my time with them?

Them: "They make you laugh and help you when you're down!"

Me: "My friends and family do that"

Them: "You sound like you don't want a relationship"


You know what would get me into a relationship?

A woman who will always have my back. Doesn't matter if it's verbally or physically, I want to know she's ready to come out swinging if I need help.

A woman who can fill in my weaknesses. While I'm always working to progress myself in areas I perform poorly in, I need to know she can step in when I've stumbled.

A woman who doesn't resort to child-like attitude when life goes wrong. The axiom 'Don't cry over spilled milk' needs to be engraved into her very essence. Also, no throwing low-blows when upset.

A woman who doesn't need luxury or constant propping up. I don't want to blow money on unnecessarily expensive items or vacations & I certainly don't want to have to be a constant crutch for your life. She needs to have a little logic to how she does things and realize that sometimes the little things in life are what makes living grand.

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (10 children)

You want loyalty? Get a dog

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[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 10 points11 points  (0 children)

And it shits in your yard, and it smells like moldy garbage when wet. I'm not a dog person, I suppose.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Depends on what breed you get runs away

[–]StarDestinyGuy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just fuck a dead dog, no feeding necessary

[–]kanji_sasahara 4 points5 points  (2 children)

The only true unconditional love in the world.

[–]StarkAtheist 6 points7 points  (1 child)

NOT unconditional... still have to feed it.

That's still a condition.

[–]interestedplayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

actually, thats the great thing about it. it works mechanically, like bbs try to work women. insert money get sex doesnt work unfortunately, but insert food get love is perfectly reasonable to me!

[–]Username-_-2015 4 points5 points  (1 child)

If you want to be treated like shit, and like women treat most men. Get a cat

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmao. I just got a cat and that couldn't be more true. Unappreciative little fucker who takes and expects everything. I keep it around for the stupid shit it does.... Comic relief

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 6 points7 points  (0 children)

What disappoints me is that all the women I've found like this all have some sort of deeper, underlying issue that still totally nukes any potential for a relationship. Or, they display these characteristics in their own lives, but don't necessarily project them outwards towards any potential partner in a relationship. I suppose we all know that's not their role, but it is a harsh reality. I will say...I've met many hard-working, ass-kicking, takes-no-shit, self-made women that are great, for a while. But there was always something else there that just...really ruined it. That and I was too much of a beta to act properly in the relationship.

[–]SirCaptainGeneral 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You want a woman who doesn't exist.

[–]NikoMyshkin 7 points8 points  (8 children)

also maybe one that takes career seriously and not just something that gets her somewhere where she can find a future husband? IQ goes a long way in an LTR.

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[–]TheDialecticParadox 17 points18 points  (3 children)

I agree. My ex was the smartest girl I've dated. When it came down to it and she done/said something fucking dumb, I tried to make her switch off her hamster and rationalize. It always ends in tears.

Eg: After sex, she asked me if she's the most beautiful girl I've seen and I said "No." She started crying. Me: "Are you so Naive to think you're more attractive than the hundreds of thousands of women I've seen in my life?" Her: Then why are you with me? Me: Answer the question. Her: Well... For about 10 minutes she avoided the question and I kept pressing her...She burst into a fit of tears to try and get things her way. Eventually she blew me because she knew it would shut me up.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

unmitigated logic = head

good to note.

[–]newls 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Her: Then why are you with me?

Some solipsism there. The average woman has far more choice in the SMP than the average man. Though top guys like all of us have a much wider selection.

[–]Danedina 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Translation: Why won't you lie to me to make me happy?

[–]NikoMyshkin 1 point2 points  (1 child)

yeah, that's always a danger. somehow (not sure how) with some of my exs that had decent IQs, I could have decent chat ie philosophy, physics, current events and so on. as in I wanted to talk to them, get them to defend their views and force me to defend mine. before they went back to obsessing over fucking clothes and shiny things.

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know but I'd rather have a discussion with someone who's actually got some intelligence and deeper meaning to their thought, and that doesn't relate to the world through Taylor Swift lyrics, cheap vodka, and reality TV....although I realize that's about...0.00001% of women, if that. I don't know, I can't stand people who don't make an effort to better their intelligence about the world around them, male or female.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel as though certain black girls have your back, at least better than white girls

[–]2cold2hold2hot2handl 15 points16 points  (1 child)

"What man wouldn't wanna marry this?"

...ugh

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 9 points10 points  (0 children)

...the overweight, blacked-out, gender studies sorority sister screamed out.

[–]Bocaj6487 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Hold a mirror up to a man; the mirror breaks. Hold a mirror up to a woman; the woman breaks.

[–]juliusstreicher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hold a mirror up to a man; the mirror breaks. Hold a mirror up to a woman; the woman breaks.

Then, she breaks the mirror.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I did this a few months ago with a friend. She said I would be stupid to get married, I get nothing. So I asked her to marry me, but she thought I was kidding.

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[–]iambecomedownvote 14 points15 points  (7 children)

Well my wife isn't ugly but she's fat and she definitely feels entitled and thinks she's too good for me.

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Yeah I don't know about that old Chinese proverb...over here, fat women seem to think they somehow deserve something for being fat.

[–]StarkAtheist 4 points5 points  (2 children)

24 hour, fast-food drive thru's + HUGE portions + NO exercise + entitlement = FAT women

Sigh... 'Murica.

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Why would I work out when I can sit on the couch 14 hours a day and eat ice cream/taco bell while watching The Bachelor?"

[–]1mojo_juju 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yay for self-selected Darwinism!! It's just too bad tax payers are on the hook for it.

Social Darwinism and socialism do not mix. Solution? Eugenics.

(All people are eugenicists at heart, as are all mammals/all animals-- we all want our genes passed on with the best genes we can get.)

[–]1independentmale 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Why are you still together? Honest question.

My ex wife didn't want me as her husband. She treated me like shit, friend zoned me for months at a time and so on. Eventually I'd had enough and turned her loose. When she realized I was leaving her she did everything in her power to try and change my mind.

It wasn't me she wanted... She only loved the financial security I provided. Well, I'm older and wiser now and that shit comes with a price. You want to be with me, I have some fucking expectations. Fat, entitled, think you're better than me? All deal breakers.

[–]1mojo_juju 0 points1 point  (0 children)

China... The original red pill culture.

[–]rpreader 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I remember all of that from the book "the good earth". the pre revolution Chinese farmer starts out going to purchase a wife to bear him sons and cook and clean. She's not attractive but the his father says that's good because "a pretty woman will not help out at all, will feel entitled and will have been fucked by every rich guy already".

Once he gets his fortune, he starts to see a very pretty prostitute on the side who is entitled as hell and always manipulating him for shit.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Have you noticed we've done the same thing with crazy?

You have 7 different personalities we used to call you crazy. Now white girls think they're black girls and white men think they're white women and everyone's got a name for it.

It's called crazy.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is crazy, but that makes it interesting. That is the only reason why these people get attention. Crazy is the easiest way to be interesting. Requires very little work. And of course you'll get respect from other crazies, people who want to latch onto your attention, or people who believe in your bullshit SJW stuff.

[–]Tarnsman4Life 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I agree but I disagree I have found sevens and eights to be more entitled than nines. At some point a woman is so hot it intimidates the betas and a good number won't approach, meaning a nine is approached less than a 7 and thus finds it harder to get a dude. I have fucked three nines in my life and getting from A to D was far easier than with a seven.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think it's more due to the fact that Modern America is number one in wealth. So it's citizens feel entitled. To the point where it's expected to have basic goods and services whereas poorer countries cannot easily provide that readily.

China is edging along to be comparable with America. It's middle and wealthy class are also exhibiting signs of entitlement. There's an article somewhere about Chinese women written by Chinese journalists somewhere floating around the internet. Something along the lines of A men go for B women. B men go for C women.... The A women being left out and the F men being left out. Plus, the whole "nasty American tourist" are now being supplemented by the "nasty Chinese tourist".

^ Do to time constraints, I'm leaving some tidbits rather than actually build a whole detailed response.

So I don't think it's women pushing society, it's more like wealth pulling women. (and men too if I wanted to be fair to the women's rights peoples)

I think wealth makes anyone think they are beautiful.

[–]NoRegretj 29 points30 points  (14 children)

Ugh. WOMEN did not drive us down this path. It was MEN and it was entirely for political reasons. Do not spout the evil women bullshit did this to us nonsense. Women did not band together to do any of this. Did they take advantage? Yes. But Men even funded the first women's suffrage movement before feminism was ever a thing.

[–]mkopec 47 points48 points  (3 children)

Fucking Regan signed the first no fault marriage laws in California in 1970, soon after this Us saw a spike of nearly 300% in divorce rates.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (2 children)

And he deeply regretted it. We were better drivers when the bridge had no guardrails.

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Government has mostly created every problem we have. Safety nets are immoral.

[–]lickemandSTICKem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This metaphor perfectly sums it up.

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 20 points21 points  (7 children)

I did not say that women banded together to start the women's suffrage movement.

But women from the 2nd and 3rd wave of feminism are the primary ones responsible for the whole "I am special and beautiful" movement.

I suggest you read for comprehension before you draw your own biased conclusions.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was social engineering. Women & men are the way they are today by design. It makes us easier to control.

[–]Dr_Morsu 7 points8 points  (4 children)

If prostitution were suddenly made legal this whole house of cards would come smashing down. Sex and the marriage scam is the only thing women have in their corner. Make sex available to men on a pay for play basis legally would cause the feminism movement to implode in nanoseconds.

Edit: I meant prostitution made legal in the USA

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Prostitution is legal in Australia and many European countries and feminism is doing just fine

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Legalized prostitution would make it safer for all parties involved and it would simplify transactions, but it won't solve the problem. Most men will still pursue relationships with women, for that "connection".

[–]colordrops 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And also for that "procreation".

[–]f3yleaf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Prostitution is legal in most of the west.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My experience is the opposite actually. Women who know how to make themselves more attractive tend to be better at pleasing their partners. The ones who are too lazy to try, well they're typically lazy in all dimensilns. I'd agree with the American women comment though. My mother is Hispanic and always used to say I should marry a Hispanic woman since they treat their husbands better.

[–]drallcom3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I notice in other, less poisoned countries, that giving a compliment to an average woman actually means a lot to her. She doesn't see herself as a princess that deserves only the best.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In other countries, if you're ugly and you have no motivation to be anything other than ugly, you get what you get, and generally speaking, you get very little.

In America? You're all beautiful! You can have the most beautiful men in the world, even if that doesn't make any fucking sense.

I have lived in Germany and in France. In those country, it's the same as in America.

[–]HeadingRed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In America everybody gets a trophy just for showing up

[–]foldpak111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People would see the crazy in all of this if it was flipped: all short, bald, indian men are sexy. Disagree & you'll be vilified by an entire country. Or was it the world...

[–]9_year_old_butthole 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Where do you see fat, ugly women being regarded as "special and beautiful"?

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Commercials. News. Websites. It's all over the media.

[–]Booksarefun666 4 points5 points  (0 children)

See: HAES and the whole curvy women is sexy scam.

[–]1Halfjor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's not so much that men regard fat and ugly women as "special and beautiful". You can't negotiate desire.

It's the media. The cultural climate. There's practically a propaganda machine. No, men generally don't think fat and ugly women are beautiful. The bullshit spewed out by all our media makes them think it's fine to settle with that though. Even if you're not very attracted to her, every human with a vagina is automatically a beautiful princess. You're lucky to even have a woman at all. Who are you to be picky about her appearance? She's has a vagina.

[–]Iplaychesssometimes -1 points0 points  (1 child)

But really, who cares if ugly women think they're beautiful? I don't understand how this affects you if that's not your target demographic?

It's like complaining that a shitty car shop is charging too much money to fix your car..

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's not just ugly women telling themselves they are beautiful, it is our society as a whole. If the ugly woman can be entitled, you'd better believe the prettier ones will feel even more entitled. The problem is the entitlement itself, not who is patting themselves on the back.

A problem that does not directly affect you, will not necessarily not be a problem for you.

And to further extrapolate on your example, if one shitty car shop charges too much for car repairs and the other shitty car shops follow suit, you will end up surrounded by horrible prices and a whole bunch of shitty car shops.

[–]JackGoldsteinWrites 38 points39 points  (7 children)

This guy's job is to calculate what risks to take. It's probably a skill that has a wide array of uses beyond financial risk. Isn't not marrying the best hedge against hypergamy, usury and divorce rap (assuming you don`t live in a jurisdiction that forcibly marries you if you let a girl crash on your couch for a week...) ?

[–]Captain_Unremarkable 5 points6 points  (4 children)

jurisdiction that forcibly marries you if you let a girl crash on your couch for a week

This is hyperbole, right? Just want to make sure.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Apparently in some states it's enough to live together with a woman that you sleep with for a certain time.

Yes, it's an exaggeration.

[–]RedditArgument 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not sure if you're serious but yes it's hyperbole. In most if not all states that recognize common law marriage and divorce both parties have to agree to it, cohabitate, and publicly refer to themselves as married and/or be known as being married by the community. Also, there's only 13 states that do this and New Hampshire is only for inheritance. Be careful if you live in one (don't do something idiotic like file a joint tax return), but don't stress over it at all.

[–]mate96 0 points1 point  (1 child)

In some states sharing a domicile with a person you are in a relationship with counts as a defacto marriage, usually after a year of living together.

[–]Glenbert 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Isn't not marrying the best hedge against... divorce rape...

I'd say that NOT being a married billionaire is a solid enough hedge against divorce rape.

Unless you outearn your wife (which more and more guys don't) divorce rape isn't as big of a threat as some here believe.

I'd encourage more underpaid millennial men to get married. I'd love to see that massive swing in the gender bias of alimony settlements. Don't think that the state cares more about feminism than it does revenue.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm in a highly educated/professional city and I know a couple of women who are getting the shit end of divorces. I don't press because we're colleagues, but they've offered various pieces of information at offsite events.

[–]1sardinemanR 102 points103 points  (23 children)

AWALT all over the world, just other cultures don't have a misandrist government set on destroying the male sex at every opportunity, so those women can't have the unchecked attitudes and behavior that America promotes.

Bring a foreign woman to America and watch her revert to her true nature too. Or Western Europe, same issue, it's not just America.

Also plate spinning, game and the rest of it inflates the value of pussy as well. If men weren't always stepping to a woman and shaming each other for not doing it, women's value also drops. MGTOW does far more to lower female value than TRP, which inflates it. TRP is always sort of an admission that society is a mess, but choosing to best take advantage and act within it, with the dilemma that if everyone does it, it gets worse and can't work.

[–]Kill_Your_Ego 22 points23 points  (18 children)

Don't get married, make your life great, be careful of the coming currency crash. I'm sure we'll get another housing crash or three prior. Take advantage of the dumbassery of women and the idiotic laws feminists keep creating to encourage men to never commit to these promiscuous sluts and, well, enjoy the decline.

[–]Monkey_Scrotum_Fever 3 points4 points  (15 children)

When do you expect the currency crash?

Serious question: should I start buying gold or property to ensure my money doesn't lose value?

[–]IoSonCalaf 6 points7 points  (5 children)

During my lifetime there has been an economic downturn or a financial crisis of some kind every seven years. The last one was 2008, before that it was 2001, etc. it's been seven years so I'm guessing this year, 2015 at some point. Probably near the end of the summer.

[–]mvg210 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ha! I was just thinking about this theory the other day

[–]oldmanwho 1 points1 points [recovered]

old wisdom. misapplied? which bubble?

currency isn't actual trade, it's just ledgers. ledgers expanding without actual trade are bad, but this isn't the whole story. bubbles are required. specifically, in isolated bubbles, which leads to a selective positive-feedback investment, selectively worsening one section of ledger-backed-trade, then bursting, then revealing a glimpse of the actual trade levels going on. when extreme, selective bursts take out everyone, since the ledger/currency is shared with all.

so which bubble is out of sync enough with the rest to be a bubble? you'll need a bubble bigger than the rest to cause a crisis. otherwise, it's slow smoldering.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The debt bubble. The housing bubble was never paid off just pushed back with quantitative easing. Most of those bad securities are sitting on the national debt, and the housing bubble itself is starting to take off again..

[–]exuals 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My father is a day trader along with his father, they have been telling me for years about this 7 year 'Prophecy'.

They're both shorting various currency pairs lately however.

[–]1London-Bananas 16 points17 points  (6 children)

Well Europe is gonna take a hit next week when it will become obvious Greece has to leave the euro.

Property is gonna crash big-time, more than last time. The wave of babyboomers is dying in 10-30 years, and there's not enough young people to buy those houses. They couldn't afford to if they wanted to. And everyone is renting anyways. Buy property in 20 years maybe, or see if you inherit some.

[–]Monkey_Scrotum_Fever 1 point2 points  (4 children)

If the euro crashed would the dollar in turn rise or would you expect it to crash as well? If it were to crash what currency would be best to have until it came back up again?

I'm new to some of this and it really interests me, plus it wouldn't hurt to plan ahead.

[–]jmotrain 7 points7 points [recovered]

The dollar would rise; People would get rid of their euros and invest in the dollar.

Still, the dollar isn't that great and buying gold/silver right now is a steal IMO. As for another crash? Who knows. Could be tomorrow, could be five years from now. However, I do believe it is going to sometime in the near future.

[–]RedditArgument 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I would really love to see a TRP post on investing for the future.

[–]jmotrain 3 points3 points [recovered]

Here are a couple suggestions: financialsurvivalnetwork.com, Youtube "Peter Schiff", mcalvanyweeklycommentary.com.

They all go against conventional investing wisdom IMO and they are all gold bugs to an extent (if that bothers you). Still, I learned a great deal about economics from Peter Schiff and used to listen to his podcast daily (he stopped about a year ago and does weekly podcasts on YT now).

[–]RedditArgument 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll check those out, thanks.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never hurts to have property as long as you own it and not the bank.. Many people ended up homeless during the last crash

[–]Sherlock--Holmes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They really are impossible to predict, but eventually the whole hollow scaffold house of hards is going to come crashing down.

These 26 (short) videos are the best I have ever seen on this subject: http://www.peakprosperity.com/crashcourse

[–]fvvx 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Nice analysis. Economics major?

[–]1sardinemanR 3 points4 points  (1 child)

No, I was a science major. Biochem, which is also a lot of physics, math, statistics etc. History as my minor.

Day traded for a few years though and have some experience with Wall St. I probably have forgotten more than most economics majors ever knew lol.

If not for the HFT machines and the ridiculous rigging of the markets these last several years, I'd probably still be making easy cash just trading. Those were the days. Nothing quite like making a $2500 profit in a few hours when things set up right lol.

[–]juanqunt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well said. Tinder inflates the woman's SMV. Spinning plates make the women more hypergamous.

I'm leading way too many girls on right now. Life is awesome for me, but I've turned good girls into complete whores... and now 6s that I've banged probably expect her future husband to be a 6'2" fitness model like me, but of course she's never gonna get that.

[–]Tarnsman4Life 26 points27 points  (0 children)

This.doesn't surprise me at all. The mere fact American women come from a morally bankrupt culture where divorce is encouraged means taking an American woman as your wife is a bad investment. Is having a hot American wife worth the 55% chance of losing Millions in a divorce? Hell no.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (10 children)

My ex is a Chinese national from a conservative, lower middle-class family.

She was entitled, a caustic nag, and an unabashed gold digger.

A W A L T

[–]SirCaptainGeneral 28 points29 points  (7 children)

Chinese women? Dont ever touch those. You'd think entitlement is less of an issue in Asia but you'd be wrong. Asian dramas are filled with beta male characters. Why do you think so many asian men are betas? They get the idea drilled into them since birth and they put these bitches so high uo the pedestal that even Dwight Howard can't reach it.

Its also funnny that i just found out recently my cousin knocked up a chick and all I've heard are these horrible comments of how that bitch is making my cousins family to pay for their shit. It doesnt make sense to me how this is possible. Bitch is dead ugly.

[–]AdorableAnt 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Minor correction: this applies to PRC Chinese, not nearly as much ethnic Chinese from other places (e.g. Taiwan, Malaysia, Thailand).

Asian TV soaps don't reflect society and prevalent behavior (much as their pearly white stars don't reflect an average Asian woman). They're exaggerated to be interesting.

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[–]AdorableAnt 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The are sizable ethnic Chinese minorities in both countries. Mostly concentrated in urban areas, and they tend to dominate commerce.

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[–]AdorableAnt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What in the world is your point here?

I never claimed the entire populations of Malaysia or Thailand were ethnic Chinese, just that those countries have sizeable ethnic Chinese groups which are culturally different from PRC folks.

[–]kaiwanxiaode 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think we found Einstein here.

[–]juanqunt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not true with the richer younger generation. I'm visiting hong kong, shenzhen, and shanghai this summer, and most of my native chinese bros and I are spinning multiple plates.

The girls are more hypergamous than the ones in the US, but they do actually care for you. They usually offer to pay when we go out, they want me to call my parents/grandparents to make sure that they are doing well, and they generally are very considerate about my well being.

[–]squiggledash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why did you marry her then? This is my problem with this whole thing surely there must be signs before the marriage that she is going to be a nightmare? Are we just getting married out of obligation, stupidity or are these types of women tricking us?

[–]NikoMyshkin 21 points22 points  (2 children)

These points are all raised and explained in brutal detail in Esther Vilar's book The Manipulated Man. The amazing thing is that she wrote it in 1971 and it is still totally relevant. Every Red Piller should read it. Incredible book.

[–]dogextraordinaire 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It is on the sidebar for a reason.

[–]NikoMyshkin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah i totally agree. i just wanted to give my 2c worth.

[–]RP15 20 points21 points  (1 child)

"What do you mean? All we need to attract men is to be pretty and have a nice figure" She laughed. My response, "Single you say?!?"

I am definitely using this

[–]TheQuestion78 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know right? Such a witty one liner.

[–]40_SixandTwo 19 points20 points  (1 child)

I work part time to pay for college and I'm one of the few guys at my work who isn't married. All of the married guys I work with are damn miserable. When I look at them it sucks my soul out.

Every now and then I've asked them how their home life is going and the one response from each of them is "Don't ever get married. You'll regret it the day after the wedding."

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No sex, all pay. That's the married man's day.

[–]Kill_Your_Ego 56 points57 points  (48 children)

I've been arguing with the members of my church because I keep telling the young men to not ever get married. It's actually turned into a big row. One sister in my church sent me a few long texts. She said that she agrees with everything I say but she's afraid to say it publicly. And she thinks that good American men should go find Christian family oriented Filipino women to marry. They stay thin, they are taught that divorce is massive failure and feel ashamed of it rather then throwing parties, and, she claimed, they actually appreciate all the hard work American men do.

She's a Filipino of course. She suggested I ignore the cries to man up and marry one of these American sluts looking for a cash machine in my church and instead go get myself a Filipino girl.

[–]TRPn00b 95 points96 points  (20 children)

It's a trap! Filipino girls are crazy as shit.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (17 children)

Can confirm. I don't see what all the hype about asian women is after spending 2 months there.

From Thailaind to Singapore, Phillippines to Hong Kong...Stop buying into the bullshit that you'll find that wife you're looking for in Asia.

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 38 points39 points  (12 children)

Agreed. Women are hypergamous and money-grubbing all over the world.

What is true though, is you will find women whose expectations start lower than American women.

Note the word "start". It's very easy to start with a simple girl and end up realizing AWALT.

[–]iambecomedownvote 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Can confirm - married a Mexican woman who's become an American woman.

[–]StarkAtheist 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Your point is HUGE.

AWALT is always true.

It is simply that in other cultures, women start at 2-3, instead of at 9 or 10 regarding entitlement and feminist-dominant behavior.

Source: Dated women from Brazil and Czech Republic

[–]tomysotomayorfuxboys 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If a man comes from a richer country and goes to a poorer one, he's more likely to find an attractive, young woman who treats him well, at least initially. Whereas an American man in America, for example, will have to work harder, and bring more to the table (whether game, money, status) in order to snag uglier, bitchier, more entitled women.

[–]ILoveSunflowers 12 points13 points  (6 children)

I just love fucking asian chicks

[–]40_SixandTwo 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Dude it's a fucking curse. I wanna nail Asian girls like it's going out of style.

[–]kaiwanxiaode 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Move to Asia. Its really not hard.

[–]Easih 0 points1 point  (2 children)

it is as you need an income/think about retirement in future and teaching English is not a career that allows this.

[–]kaiwanxiaode 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Dude. Plenty more options than teaching. Plus you can make $50 an hour if you do teach and find some good private students.

[–]Easih 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since you said its not really hard to move there I assume you did?I assume its not an expat package so how are you earning a living that will also be enough when you get to retirement age.

[–]kalstate -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Haha, that reminds me of Mexican workers in the US. The first year, they work hard/earn their keep, and employers are all like, "Juan's a hard worker". By next year (roofing/landscaping/growing season), the Mexicans are lazy as the American workers, and the boss is like, "Man, Juan used to work so hard, but now he's as fucking lazy as Tim".

[–]TheQuickAndTheRed 4 points5 points  (0 children)

South Africa, South America, Middle East.

Pick your poison.

[–]itgscv1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

China/HK is pretty bad. You aren't even on the radar if you don't own a house/apartment. Plus the one child policy means there's something like 115 men for every 100 women. There are marriage markets where family members wander around trying to play match making with their sons/daughters.

[–]Kiwikeeper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What I love about this thread is that there is always someone saying

"X-nationality chicks are the Best! " And then someone says

"No, They suck like the others!"

AWALT, y'all

[–]wanderer779 22 points23 points  (14 children)

my argument is that marriage doesn't even exist anymore. It was supposed to be a lifelong commitment. What we have now is a mockery. I don't know how a preacher could keep a straight face presiding over this BS.

[–]Kill_Your_Ego 27 points28 points  (6 children)

I fully agree. What does the woman give in the marriage contract? The kids are hers. She can refuse you sex for any reason. She can cheat on you without any consequences for herself. Men will still approach her.

What the fuck is a woman even giving me in a marriage? Absolutely nothing.

But in reverse? I'm giving her a lifetime worth of labor to support her and her children. I'll be put into jail if I refuse to meet my forced payment quota.

It's a total fucking joke. I can't believe that I'm still seeing men talk about getting married here at TRP. There is no marriage! We are all just studs for women. We're just burning through old cultural capital until all the men finally realize this.

Ugh the bullshit I've heard from my brothers in church... They are all just a bunch of beta pussy worshipping faggots. And the hate that I've heard from these men... It's surreal. These men absolutely hate any man who has failed to keep his woman's vag running. And they all seem convinced that Godly virtue is what keeps the vag going so anyone who failed to keep the almighty lord God vagina happy deserves his fate.

These pieces of shit call themselves Christians. They are no such thing. They worship the pussy. Literally. They are a fucking fertility cult pretending to be Christians. It's fucked up.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Yep. I have a friend who is a devout Christian. Has a "girlfriend" but they don't have sex. They want to wait until marriage because that's the Christian thing to do. Keep in mind he is 31, she is about 28 and neither of them are virgins.

They've been going out for about 4 months now and they are in "love." He talks about sticking together through anything including even cheating.

I say bro, cheating? You got to draw the line somewhere. He says that you can forgive anything.

These guys have good hearts but they have no brains.

[–]Kill_Your_Ego 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Leviticus 20-10;

And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

[–]1beerthroway 6 points7 points  (0 children)

And then some dumbass says "oh that's old testament. Jesus forgives all and says 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'"

To which I'd say, sure we aren't going to stone cheating whores anymore. You can forgive them. But you don't have to be with them or marry them. In that day, a woman not getting married for being a whore was just as bad of a punishment as stoning her. Imo it's worse because she then becomes a plague on society, but that's another issue.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Religion doesn't really contain doctrine at all.

All it does is reinforce what social values you have. Social mores change, they reinterpret shit to mean whatever they want.

[–]Glenbert 1 point2 points  (0 children)

...the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Nah brah, it's not the guy's fault. Those ancient brahs were totally beta.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ever read "no more Christian nice guy? " look it up if you haven't

[–]StarkAtheist 8 points9 points  (6 children)

If you look at the Barna or Pew Research statistics, the divorce rate among church-goers (christians) is equal to, or higher than NON-church goers.

"god" has absolutely NO power over a feminist woman.

She thinks god is male... so those eternal vows that she made to HIM are meaningless, too.

[–]wanderer779 2 points3 points  (5 children)

My opinion is marriage, in any meaningful sense, is dead and probably isn't coming back in my lifetime or maybe ever. I'm not knowledgeable about religion, but I suspect religious leaders are too afraid of a backlash to say anything about it.

I'd be interested to hear what the sermons on marriage sound like these days. Is it pretty much the same man-blaming & shaming that you hear everywhere else?

[–]Kill_Your_Ego 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah pretty much. It's weak men are screwing feminism up combined with some downright vagina worship before we all praise the heroic single mothers and end on man up and marry that slut.

[–]StarkAtheist 0 points1 point  (2 children)

They just blame the GAYS for ruining the sanctity of marriage.

While EVERYONE in the pews is on their 2nd or 3rd....

YAY JESUS!!!

[–]wanderer779 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I am not religious and have never attended church regularly but I always thought that 99% of churches would eventually have to choose between abandoning their message to suit their parishioners or losing most of their congregation. If a sin is widespread enough and despicable enough you can't call it out because it makes people feel too bad. That's why you have the current situation of women refusing to accept their roles in their families and throwing good men out of their families happening on an enormous scale and the preacher just going mum about it.

[–]StarkAtheist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the current situation of women refusing to accept their roles in their families and throwing good men out of their families happening on an enormous scale and the preacher just going mum about it.

If ministers PREACHED every Sunday the fact that 75% of divorces in America are initiated by WOMEN... they would lose 75% of their congregations. Churches are dominated by a female demographic, b/c most men are too logical/reasonable to be governed by the emotions of fear and guilt, or the fallacy of an invisible sky fairy.

[–]nickthib 14 points15 points  (1 child)

What denomination church is this? I couldn't imagine arguing against marriage going well in any church...

[–]1sardinemanR 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Tell them to read Corinthians and ask them if Jesus was married.

[–]lugubriusTRP 10 points11 points  (6 children)

Filipino girls will drain your wallet if your BP. Seriously their need for the latest Louis Vuitton status items is worse than an entitled american woman.

[–]yummyluckycharms 17 points18 points  (4 children)

Meh.....if I I'd rank asian women by greediness....it would probably go like this:

  • Korean
  • Japanese
  • Chinese
  • Filipina
  • Indonesian/Vietnamese

On the other hand, the women on the bottom of the list aren't as career driven. Of course there are exceptions, and differences based on class on even sub ethnicity (chinese filipinas in Manilla are way different than filipinas from the southern islands), but this is what my experience tends to lead me to thnk

[–]TRPrinny 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Pretty sure the new wave of rich young "Golden Children" of China are way more entitled and materialistic than the Japanese.

I live in a heavily Asian populated university neighborhood next to one of the biggest American universities, and the Chinese college kids who live here drive brand-sparkling new Bimmers, Benz's, Porsches and the occasional supercar. Talking to and knowing some reveals they aren't even particularly knowledgable or passionate about the car, it's just a big status thing.

My Chinese gf basically confirms how big image and status items are. Knowing a lot of Japanese and having been to Japan plenty of times, they are less materialistic and rather more minimalistic and put efficiency over flashy luxury.

There are some interesting articles about the new money children of China that are worth a read.

[–]Polaris382 6 points7 points  (0 children)

So far two of the best women Ive come across have both been Dominican/Haitian hybrids. Both of them really know how to treat a man and are hard workers as well.

The one Im seeing now works her ass off (2 jobs and goes to school), great personality, smart, has a tendency to keep paying for shit (its began to make me feel a little awkward), and so far since she has known me Ive been chilling on "terminal leave" from the Navy and being an absolute bum. I have plans, but she has absolutely 0 reason/evidence to think or expect any future meal ticket or financial abundance from me.

She may actually be a genuinely high quality person...

[–]RedditArgument 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I've had experiences with Taiwanese, Japanese, and Korean women and so far I would have to say the Japanese are really not all that bad. Definitely less materialistic than Americans and Koreans. My experiences with Taiwanese were too limited to make any assumptions but they also seemed more frugal than Americans and Koreans.

Really it's going to depend on the upbringing of the girl though. Chances are if she was raised with daddy buying her everything her heart has ever desired she's going to be a brat and materialistic regardless of culture. However culturally the Japanese seem to put the greatest value on frugality in my opinion likely due to the poor years following the aftermath of the war. I'm surprised that didn't stick as much in Korea following the Korean war.

That said I've had girls of all three cultures pay for my meals/etc. on dates, this has not happened once with an American/European woman. Yes I agree AWALT but your chances are better in my opinion in Asia than America. Just gotta know how to pull the good ones.

[–]Squeezymypenisy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These new money people, are they claiming asylum? In the 90s any chinese that came over with any money were usually former government officials who had almost been caught in corruption cases. I imagine a lot of these new ones are similar.

[–]Glenbert 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Doubts church teachings.

Believes in unicorns.

[–]-Strider 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Interesting that people on a financial site agree. They're people paid to be analytical, rational, and to remove emotion from the equation. If this were to be posted on a normal website where the majority of readers don't possess those qualities it would be a lot different.

[–]Doctor_Mayhem 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Who you marry or at least partner with will be, hands down, the most important financial decision you will ever make. Who you marry will have more impact on your future than what you major in, or what career your pursue.

[–]Mr-Ultimate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never thought about it like that. But you have a very good point.

[–]prodigy2throw 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Women don't understand how much effort and hard work men have to put in to be a desirable mate. This is why I have little respect for women. They list all these things in an ideal mate but then fail to offer anything in return aside from looks. Its so fucked up.

[–]BallisticTherapy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If all she brings to the table is sex, then just have sex with her on the table.

[–]Five_Decades 0 points1 point  (0 children)

http://mattforney.com/eternal-solipsism-female-mind/

edit: many don't even feel they have to offer looks to land a man in the top 10%. They feel just being a woman entitles them to it.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Very true. Songs like "Dear future husband" is a perfect example of the attitude women in america are being conditioned to have. Basically, guys should jump through all kinds of hoops to keep women satisfied, and we should just feel lucky that they even pay attention to us.

Ironically, women think this self entitlement will grant them a quality guy, when its really just making them border on being prostitutes.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

It reminds me of the time I was dating a girl. Valentines day was right around the corner. The city I was living in at the time didn't have many restaurants for an intimate dining experience and I knew the ones that did would have been extremely overcrowded. I decided that I would take her out to a very nice dinner the day before Valentines day, then I also made a very fancy dinner at home on Valentines day. So my g/f got two special evenings. I was the villain because we didn't do a restaurant on Valentines day.

I think it was Bill Burr who specifically recommended not going to a restaurant on VD directly but doing what this guy did. Space it out around VD. Do it on VD and you'll be fighting a crowd waiting for both a table and your meal once you get a table. It's an unpleasant situation.

[–]ramot1 8 points9 points  (0 children)

where they can take everything you ever worked for in a blink of an eye.

And for the rest of your life, too.

Marriage-Never Again

[–]hamstercide 8 points9 points  (0 children)

To be fair, Italian women are just as bad. It's such a beta society over here. 90% of the shops downtown cater towards women and their stupid fashion purchases.

[–]Tofitrightin 6 points6 points [recovered]

I've found eastern European women to be the most high maintenance.

[–]newls 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The most beautiful and hot girl I ever dated was a Belarusian girl. She had a really fun and playful attitude but slung shit tests at me all the time.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've met some pretty realistic, get-shit-done women and they are great.

But to the idealistic, overly romanticized ones that I meet on a more frequent basis, I really do want to try this:

"He may have a point. I asked an Americanized women about relationships and what she wanted. She said, "He needs to be funny, confident, have a good job, patience, gentlemen like, well educated, respectful, and a good listener." My response, "Those are wonderful characteristics in a mate. Besides superficial looks, what attributes do you think a good women should have to attract such a man? She gave a me a blank stare and said, "What do you mean? All we need to attract men is to be pretty and have a nice figure" She laughed. My response, "Single you say?!?""

Hahaha.

[–]B_uckets 26 points27 points  (11 children)

The shit that comes out of my girlfriend's mouth constantly makes me wonder "How the fuck did you become so spoiled / entitled?"

She's from a lower-middle class family. Tiny house, tiny yard, average cars, very few family vacations, no nice toys, clothes, etc. growing up. Went to a completely average school and makes < $50k/year after taxes.

Now nothing is ever good enough unless it's the best. Vacation in OBX? Of course not, the only acceptable beaches are halfway around the world. Buying a used pickup to haul my toys? Hell no! She can't be seen in that. And you should hear her talk about the type of money she wants to drop on a wedding. Hint: It's roughly her entire gross salary. On one. fucking. party.

It's nothing short of institutionalized insanity.

[–]whyalwaysm3 47 points48 points  (3 children)

And why are you still with her?

[–]RPmatrix 8 points9 points  (1 child)

lol, he can't answer that bro! If he could he wouldn't be!

[–]whyalwaysm3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

True lol. In fairness to him I too was in a similiar situation but her parents were even poorer than middle class, luckily I bailed out right before engagement after realizing how fucked I would be if I married her.

[–]Sherlock--Holmes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

V A G I N A The most powerful force in the universe ®

[–]Booksarefun666 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I hope for your wallet's sake you don't marry that broad.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (4 children)

You must be my ex's new boyfriend. You're describing her to a T even down to me wanting to buy a used pickup and her complaining about it. She also told me on multiple occasions that our wedding will "probably cost 30 thousand dollars" and "guys typically spend 2 months salary on an engagement ring."

[–]Captain_Unremarkable 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Debeers marketers want you to think that typically spend 2 months salary on an engagement ring.

Buy that bitch cubic zyrconia.

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Buy her some fucking skittles and be done with it.

[–]beware_the_syllogism 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like my ex. Her parents made decent money but were frugal. She knew what they could afford and that became her standard. After she cheated/then dumped me for a somewhat successful guy (self made, to a degree) that fell apart and she married a guy 20 years her senior who could give her the life she "deserved." "Deserve" was one of her favorite words.

I only know bits and pieces because people would ask "have you spoken to the ex" (of course not) but it went something like the self made guy didn't make that much money, more attractive females wanted his attention, the self made also means a lot of hours spent actually working, and the conventions he went to took time away from her.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I bemoaned this exact thing in a comment yesterday. EDIT; my point being is that American women want all the glory without any effort or sacrifice. As if they should have it by default, but that does not go along with thier cries for equality. Can't have it both ways, ladies. Do you want to be my equal, and help me? Or do you want to be a product of my success, and as as such... No more than an acquired product. They all want to be a byproduct...

[–]TruBlue 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Never marry a women from an english speaking western country. (Leykis 101)

[–]Shlomo_McGillicuddy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He's a hedge fund manager, so he obviously understands the concepts of return on investment, depreciating assets, and net present value.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You have to break your woman in like buying new shoes.

Break up with up multiple times and walk away, if she comes back she's yours. Of course you never marry, that would give her all the power. Keeping her as a serious GF for as long as you can then move on to another one once she stops putting out.

[–]rico_tubbs 37 points38 points  (13 children)

Haha bitches really thought they could pull this shit forever. The gravy train is over. Time to get back in the kitchen and work on those sammich makin skillz.

[–]StarkAtheist 8 points9 points  (6 children)

AGREED.

Why do American women REFUSE to learn how to cook???

Even I watched Food Network and learned how to cook some nice meals occasionally... c'mon you lazy wenches!

[–]rico_tubbs 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yeah, they really do not give a single shit about being of value for a man. It's like Roosh said.

Women Have Reduced Themselves To Sexual Commodities.

It's sad really. I thought for quite some time that something was wrong with me because I wouldn't be interested in doing anything with a girl except fucking. But every time I watch an old movie from the 60s for example, you know, Paul Newman, Brando...the difference in the dynamic between man and woman compared to today hits me like a punch in the face. Girls were so much more pleasent and nice.

[–]StarkAtheist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The attention span of the average American has dropped exponentially since the MTV editing began in 1981, and along with the invention of the internet and cell phone... it's dropped even more.

Sex is the best thing TO get from a woman because you're certainly not going to have an insightful conversation...

"Oh wait!! My friend is texting me!! I gotta check facebook!!"

[–]netgrey 2 points2 points [recovered]

Women were taught that was beneath them, so they've become fat slobs who feed their families shitty pre-prepared food.

How many women do you know that can cook a home from scratch meal like your grandma could?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Eating well in America requires cooking at home, and is one of the side benefits of following the lifting and diet advice of TRP: you learn how to cook out of necessity.

I highly recommend cookingforengineers.com.

[–]StarkAtheist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One... my mother.

I find that Polish and Czech women still value that.

[–]beware_the_syllogism 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You would think it's rocket science to cook a steak using a cast iron skillet and an oven.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (3 children)

American women are undatable horrors. I have an Asian girlfriend. She's beautiful, funny, very young, and yet does not have the CC time that even equally young western women would have. She is upfront about her goals and needs. If I showed weakness or stopped earning or somehow slipped up and fucked the dog, she'd be gone in a flash. But as long as I am who I am supposed to be, she is who she is supposed to be.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Most women would leave if you fucked the dog.

[–]rico_tubbs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True. But if she doesn't, and instead buys some furry ears and a dog tail buttplug - she's a keeper lol

[–]pnw_diver 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I definitely find American women to be more work than they are worth, by far.

[–]balancespec2 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Aren't you fucked the moment you import a woman to America though? I have heard about foreign brides finding out their man is a neckbeard (by American standards) and divorcing him and then riding the CC once they got their green card.

[–]Sherlock--Holmes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're probably fucked if you don't import them too. They start misbehaving when they realize your plan.

[–]Easih 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that's correct, the mistake is importing them back to the US.

[–]beware_the_syllogism 4 points5 points  (2 children)

It's probably fun to demonize American woman but seriously - AWALT. In virtually every circle I have run in the men have the opportunity to travel more than most, a large amount marry foreign women (NAWALT!) and within a few years are divorce raped after said woman has obtained her resident card, can prove the marriage wasn't a "marriage of convenience", or has the opportunity to marry up. These women are quick to point out the shortcomings of American women (gotta make the competition look bad) but forget they are also talking about their wants, desires, and future tense.

One of my clients (older, retirement age, good income) was telling me about his employees because if they have a problem his office has a problem. They tended to be older, a divorce (or 2, or 3) under their belts, making upwards of 200k. Sick and tired of American women they had the time and money to travel and meet women from other countries, sometimes going through some sort of relationship broker. This client is sharp, RP as fuck, and his comment was something like "because you're a spineless fuck who can't handle American woman, you think you can handle of foreign girl? You can't even handle yourself." Of course it wasn't about finding a better standard of living or getting out of whatever country they were in, obtaining dual citizenship, or doing it for their children, oh no. It was love. At least until they have unfettered access to citizenship and your assets.

Perhaps all these posts about American women being generic, fat, CC-riding worthless sluts and getting a foreign woman has more to do with YOU stepping outside of your comfort zone, having women respond to that display of alphaness, and rather than patting yourself on the back for making much needed life improvements you revert to the inner monologue of "American women blah blah blah".

I've lived abroad, 30% of my life, and women in other countries = AWALT, they just tend to be less vocal about it.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You make some great points, and yes, AWALT.

At the same time, I am not a strong believer of cultural relativism. I believe that some cultures produce, on average, people that are absolutely better than people from other cultures, and therefore I believe that certain cultures produce women that are absolutely better than women from other cultures. After visting many countries, I can tell you that certain areas are seriously full of thugs and assholes and some areas have people who are, on average, kinder and more polite than I am.

3.6% of Japanese are obese whereas 32% of Americans are, and the standard of living and relative wealth is very similar (subtract the sumo wrestlers and the difference might be even greater). That’s the only fact you need to know that something is seriously wrong with US culture.

[–]Easih 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the mistake they make is bringing them back to the US/Canada etc .

[–]Atavisionary 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ya, I wrote of one of my experiences here:

http://atavisionary.com/the-common-scolds-of-america/

I think the problem has a lot to do with lack of discipline. Every one treats them like little princesses who can do no wrong, and who shouldn't be expected to control their emotions. Women are not great at controlling their emotions anyway, without some sort of discipline it gets really bad.

[–]RPmatrix 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"I asked an Americanized women about relationships and what she wanted. She said, "He needs to be funny, confident, have a good job, patience, gentlemen like, well educated, respectful, and a good listener."

My response,

"Those are wonderful characteristics in a mate. Besides superficial looks, what attributes do you think a good women should have to attract such a man?

She gave a me a blank stare and said, "What do you mean? All we need to attract men is to be pretty and have a nice figure" She laughed.

My response, "Single you say?!?""

LMAO!

[–]Sherlock--Holmes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've been saying for a very long time now: Entitlement is the epidemic of our time.

I'm glad I'm not alone in realizing it and I love this group. Thanks for the great post.

[–]RPthrowaway123 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You need to fix your formatting, right now your thoughts are part of the quote.

This guy is spot on. But try and tell an American woman this and they'll scream "MISOGYNY!!1!"

Right now I'm not really in a position to move someplace foreign, and this "city" doesn't have a lot of foreign women. So here I just have to play the game as best I can until I can follow this guy's advice.

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[–]Spiral-knight 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Take care all the same. Once she feels she's put in enough work expect to see a fat, sullen sack of entitled shit, just because she can play the long game doesn't mean she's not just waiting for an excuse to stop

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[–]Spiral-knight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See that's what I felt might of been a little much to say, still its the general gist of things. Settling for less physically is fine provided you're getting a more complete package in other areas as finding the woman with looks, personality and a selection of wife skills really is like looking for the genuine 22 year old virgin

[–]jaimewarlock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My wife in Kenya, 5'4" & 105 lbs. does all that. But then I have to travel overseas, so I guess every relationship has it's negatives.

[–]BrunoOh 0 points1 point  (3 children)

It doesn't work like that. She'll just think "wow, apparently my SMV is much higher than i thought" and go AWALT.

On the other hand, there's something to be said for formerly fat chicks.

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[–]BrunoOh 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Dating below your SMV doesn't mean she'll be loyal to you. If anything, when an attractive guy eventually pays some attention to her she's more likely to cheat.

[–]ENTangl3 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's why i'm going back to my home country (Russia) to find a wife.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The fund manager is partially correct. Any guy who has a somewhat frequent global travel schedule knows that the "American woman" entitlement phenomenon is rapidly spreading worldwide.

I agree it's definitely not nearly as bad as right in the United States, but internationally men should definitely be constantly neg training women from a "non-beggars" perspective to reverse this nuttiness.

And I highly suggest to guys that assume this nuttiness came from women to study Edward Bernays & The American Chamber of Commerce.

Feminism was introduced to sell more consumer goods by separating & antagonizing the sexes. Same with individualism.....which had the added benefit of the rich not having to worry about the poor forming big powerful unions anymore.

An easy to understand primer is the BBC documentary "The Century of Self". Free online.

[–]CrazyLeprechaun 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Where do most Canadian women stack up? More or less the same? Any significant differences?

[–]199639 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Probably worse, as Canada is culturally a little more European than the US.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

[–]CrazyLeprechaun 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Granted, but U of T is very well known as a feminist hell-hole here in Canada. It probably isn't representative of what most of Toronto is like, much less the rest of the country.

[–]Limekill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes but the UofT is churning them out at about 20,000+ per year.

And its pretty much the same for all universities.

[–]Kashmon777 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just American?? times are changing world over http://diclenews.com/en/news/content/view/453780?from=2082207090 this party won big last week they ban men from running from 50 percent of their seats and want to eliminate Gender roles

[–]jugol 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not sure if it's a worldwide phenomenon or if this happens wherever American culture penetrates stronger.

Chilean girls are becoming the same, Chilean media are training them to become the same. Not surprising as this is the most Americanized country in Latin America. A female immigrant told me once "Chilean women think they're better than they actually are". I guess I'd rather meet a Colombian immigrant or something...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All we need to attract men is to be pretty and have a nice figure

True for fuck buddies (and even then I would add : give no drama) but for a RELATIONSHIP = a situation where the man give up on his sexual strategy, what is needed is something those cunts can not offer.

[–]WatchDaThrone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The obesity epidemic in America has a lot to do with why TRP strategy is more important here than it is in places in Europe, Asia or South America.

Being an obese male is not as taboo as being an obese female. Obese men can still find girlfriends and have healthy intimate relationships with women as long as they are strong in other departments (i.e: Charisma & Career). Physical attractiveness cannot make or break a male less for the male model or morbidly obese/disfigured.

Women on the other hand are valued primarily on their looks, yet the rate of obesity among females is higher than that among men. Unlike an obese male, an obese woman will find it nearly impossible to be in a relationship with someone of the opposite sex, no matter how charismatic or funny she is or how great of a career she has. The obesity rate in women is 35%. Let's say 5% of the women are undateable for other reasons (homosexual/asexual/severely disfigured). That leaves around 60% of the female population that about 90% of all men have to compete for.

Due to the high number of excessively large "undateables", the average dateable woman's value goes up (Supply and Demand etc), which is why women who are a 6/10 demand for a Chris Hemsworth type male.

In most European countries the obesity rate among men and women is much lower, so the SMP is more balanced.

In South America and Asia, men have a higher rate of obesity compared to females, so the SMP is biased in favor of non-obese men, since these men might only make up 80% of the male population but are favored by like 95% of women.

[–]BlaiseDB 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am a Canadian ex-pat living in China. Why the hell would I ever go home for pussy?

[–]foldpak111 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The reason people who read financial websites overwhelmingly agree is because to get to a competent level in finance, quant, trading, IB, whatever.. You must be 100% logical or you'll get canned by the company and/or lose quite a bit of money. They're comprised of individuals who have an investor mindset. Marrying is just a really bad investment. You can get a bit of temporary social status but I love money more so fuck her.

[–]donaldcicc 5 points6 points  (6 children)

I lived in Taiwan for a year and I am about to complete my second year of living in Shanghai. It is going to be a major change when I return in a year. Even with China's little empress/emperor syndrome almost all of the ladies I have dated or fooled around with have been fun and sweet. They also stay thin, have interesting hobbies and want to travel and experience the world. Divorce is still at a low rate here. Chinese ladies do tend to rule the roost here, but most Chinese men are pushovers.

I have been traveling all over Asia and although many women are of course out for a green card, some are quite lovely. If I ever did bring one home there would be a serious prenup. I have been dating one lass for 18 months and we will be moving to exclusive status soon. She has one year left on her university degree, which is perfect with my timeline. She wants to get an engineering degree in America, so if we are still together she can come with me on a student visa and we can see how things go as a couple in America. If she starts to become Americanized I will not be tethered and can extricate myself. If things work out marriage is possible.

[–]PetrolFlavored 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Many women are of course out for a green card.

She wants to get an engineering degree in America.

If things work out marriage is possible.

Yeah your way of thinking doesn't make much sense brother.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thece's also the bit about the prenup and student visa, and all this after a year and a half.

Not saying he's totally right, but he's clearly thought this through.

[–]Jack_Sophmore 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I also lived in Taiwan a few years. I've always been curious how Taiwanese girls compare to Chinese girls. Can you advise?

[–]itgscv1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Taiwan is better generally, depends on what regions you are comparing though, China is a pretty big place. I've lived in both places and would rather meet someone in Taiwan. Many girls in China refuse to pay for anything, and are extremely materialistic. One child policy and heavy favor of male children means it's going to get even worse in China.

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Have you read the rest of the thread? Why are you seriously considering marriage?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Have you not heard the numerous posts and examples of:

As soon as you bring her here, she'll turn into an American entitled piece of shit?

[–]fckredditt 0 points1 point  (1 child)

problem is, how are you going to date a woman who lives thousands of miles away?

[–]jaimewarlock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Skype & plane tickets. Let her know before you visit, that you expect to live with her. If she hesitates, tell her she isn't serious. Be ready to move on, there are plenty more.

[–]dragneel90 1 points1 points [recovered]

I can agree with the article presented, I had a long standing relationship with a woman from the Middle East and I have not once felt so comfortable in a relationship. With all the American women it's always about her never about you. Good stuff.

[–]Spiral-knight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Being a legitimate "ignorant racist" the idea of a middle eastern woman has its downsides. But my god when you sit down and think about it there's a whole lot of staying power in the idea

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

High maintenance is code word for having too low SMV to do whatever the fuck you want around women.

[–]BallisticTherapy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It might be true that it takes a top alpha to keep a very high maintenance girl under control but that doesn’t mean the top alphas have any interest in doing so. Why would they choose a girl who is more work than she’s worth when they can get girls who are far better?

The answer is - they don’t.

When you have options, you aren’t going to waste your time trying to make omelets out of bad eggs. You’re going to ditch them and go for the best in the bunch.

[–]Thizzlebot -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

These posts are so cute, the phrase is "AWALT" not "OAWALT"(only american women are like that) you should travel the world if you think some place in the world is home of the unicorns and special snowflakes where AWALT doesn't happen.