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MetaThe red pill are a bunch of bigots who can't get laid. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Modredpillschoolx2

They're all virgin neckbeards. Couldn't get laid to save their lives.

I consider it somewhat ironic on a meta level, that the people saying this don't themselves see the irony.

Recently we were deemed the most bigoted subreddit on this site. And of course the usual insults began to fly. We are, as everybody knows, just a bunch of sexless, angry, nobodies.

I'm hoping I've caught the attention of at least a few new people taking a peek to see what we're about. You're probably hoping to find evidence to support the popular opinion- that we should be chided or ignored.

The reason we are here and the reason we don't care about the insults are one in the same: Because joining the red pill did not start the insults, instead the insults started the red pill.

The irony sorely lost on the masses is in the call for equality, anti-bigotry, and whatever other causes your average social justice warrior stands up for. The public has doubled down and taken up the very weapons they decry. Shame and scorn against those they disagree with. Sexual shame in retribution for valuing sex. Smooth.

They say that we're wrong in our assessments, and then revoke our manhoods by commenting on our inability to get sex.

But they've got the order of operations down wrong.

I'm not going to deny that we have had trouble with sex. That is the common thread that brings us here. Using sexlessness to dismiss us is precisely the behavior that brought men here to begin with. We were sexless. Our views and perspectives, our so-called "bigotry" did not lead us to a sexless life so you can conveniently dismiss our views. Instead, our sexless lives lead us to adopt these views as a last ditch effort to reach sexual success. And most of us stayed here when we realized it was effective.

But life isn't all about sex! You guys are obsessed!

Right?

I think it's pretty safe to say that most women don't really understand to what degree sex matters in the average man's life. He finds more than a physical release, he finds belonging and acceptance in sex. Sex for a man is knowing you are wanted. The fact is, for most of our lives, we've come to accept that we are not sexually desirable to most (or all) women. Our advances left us crushed and depressed, were treated as creepy or worse than murder. Our relationships left us broken or broke. Our marriages crumbled. If you listen to pop culture, and believe everybody finds their special somebody, then we must have been the outcasts.

The fact that commenting on our lack of sexual success is inherent in all public dismissal of us (virgin neckbeards) should help put this into perspective- even the feminists and social justice warriors of the world denouncing sex as that important have made our manhoods (and therefore rights to have or speak an opinion at all) entirely dependent on our access to sex. Why would being a virgin or a neckbeard matter, unless sex truly does matter to our manhoods?

I don't really buy the rationale that it does matter to be a man. But I do recognize that sex will still be important to men nevertheless. And so here I support such a hypothesis, and behold, 102,000 men in two years have flocked. You can dismiss us, our views, and theories. But you cannot dismiss the common need and problem that brought us together.

I want to back up a little bit, and address the idea that we're social outcasts.

Now, you'd think, every gender and every group has their outcasts. Looking back at highschool, there were always those fringe groups that didn't quite get along. Some banded together in their unpopularity and played dungeons and dragons or wore funny looking clothing. So what's the red pill? Just a group of pimply-faced nerds who never learned to talk to women?

That's the problem here- the reason for our corner of the internet. It affects more than just the pimply-faced nerds, more than the short guys, more than the fat, the skinny, or the ugly.

The changes to inter-gender relations over the past 30 years have started to affect all of us.

You can see it in the declining marriage rates, in the studies that show dissatisfaction among both genders in relationships, the sky-high divorce rates, and the endless stories of custody battles and alimony cases. The school shootings and the male suicide rate, the gamer scandals, and presidential campaigns. The declining rate of male college graduates and the women who don't care. The single mothers, and the children who hate men.

We're not the sexless virgins. We're not the neckbeards.

We're fathers, firefighters, pilots, drivers, teachers, engineers, students, bankers, and entrepreneurs who are tall, skinny, fit, fat, good-looking, ugly, old, young, happy, angry, sad, depressed, and everything in between.

And we've all been affected by the changing environment.

And none of us found compassion, belonging, or empathy in the very system that gave us this shared experience.

Maybe we are bigots, maybe we hate women. Maybe we aren't, and maybe we don't. It's entirely superfluous to the point of why we're here. Attacking these points does not dismiss our existence, nor does it address it.

It's up to you how you're going to deal with this information.


[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 109 points110 points  (1 child)

A year ago when I first started posting on Reddit I wrote about my experiences on the Ok Cupid dating site and posted it to the OKC subreddit.

I was immediately shouted down by fat social justice warriors who were offended. Was my experience helpful? Was my writing humorus? Was my analysis incorrect? It didnt matter. The fat she Beasts were mad. They were mad and they were going to stampede around being mad and no one was going to hear my voice. Thats when it dawned on me that you cant post realist dating advice on reddit because the offended women will down vote it to hell. All that remains is the politicaly correct just be yourself and pamper her advice. Eventually I found a receptive audience in the Red Pill and its been a gay old time ever since.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 314 points315 points  (11 children)

It's been said before, and I'll say it again:

"The Red Pill is the radical notion that women are people."

They are not special snowflakes. They do not have an inherently predisposed tendency towards chastity, towards compassion, towards loyalty, towards affection, towards empathy or towards any other righteous quality that the feminine imperative society tells us that women have.

See, this is what outsiders now define as misogyny. Any time a man calls one of the aforementioned qualities into question regarding women, we are told that we are bigots who 'hate women', simply because we are suspicious of their motivations and inclinations. No, we are simply stating that women can have motivations that are just as selfish, deceitful, and ruthless (maybe moreso) as the motivations that men can harbor.

Yes, when a woman divorce-rapes her husband and takes his kids from him for no other reason than "unhaaaapy", she is a fucking self-centered bitch who's only looking out for her own interests. I'm not a misogynist for saying so.

Yes, when a woman leads a man on into orbiter-zone, dangling a false carrot of implied future sexual relationship, only to get him to buy things and do things for her, she is a self-centered bitch who's only looking out for her own interests. I'm not a misogynist for saying so.

When a man musters the balls to approach a woman, and she publicly ridicules him, shames him, and nuclear rejects him for her own self amusement, rather than just a polite "no thanks", she is a narcissistic cunt with no regard for the feelings of other people. I'm not a misogynist for saying so.

In all three of these examples, these are the same exact judgments that I'd levy against a man who engaged in the same behaviors.

After all...women are people.

[–]1beerthroway 24 points25 points  (4 children)

What makes people call us misogynists though is not that we call out the women that do those awful things, but rather that we claim that all women have the potential/tendency to do those things (AWALT). Again, like your first comment, women are people too and it's not like we would be feminists if we said that men have the potential to sleep with new women constantly and never commit and be aggressive to get what they want and other things that society claims is bad for men to do. We simply are stating the truth of social interactions. People often can't handle the truth and therefore lash out in denial and anger.

[–]disposable_pants 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I'd say AWALT is only about 30% of the reason people call us misogynists. While we assume that most people put women on a pedestal but think all men are potential scumbags (AMALT), the reality is that for the most part people believe their fellow humans (man or woman) are either good or bad. They reject the idea that in the right situation all people would be ruthlessly self-interested because we live in a society that seldom forces people down that road. So when we say AWALT in their minds we're challenging that belief for women but not for men. Instead of AWALT we should say "everyone is self-interested;" if women are people, too, unnecessarily focusing this idea on women just invites misunderstanding.

The other 70% of the reason we're viewed as misogynists is that we use emotionally charged language to describe women and our interactions with them. TRP is all about reason over emotion; one key aim here is to avoid willfully misunderstanding the world simply because it feels good. Unthinkingly referring to women as "whores," "bitches," "sluts," saying women are children, saying they "hamster," and generally being derisive in our descriptions of them are all examples of using emotionally-charged rhetorical techniques in place of taking the time to accurately describe our ideas. It's no different from calling black people "niggers" or "coons" -- you aren't rationally describing why you're criticizing them, you're taking a lazy, emotional shortcut to connect with other people who feel the same negativity about them. It's not "calling it like it is;" it's intentionally using less precise terminology because it feels better. The widespread use of such emotional language has no place on a sub that prides itself on its rationality.

[–]VoidInvincible 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I wish I could give you gold right now. This comment needs to be saved.

[–]Velebit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

reading this made me realize... this is not a group of people who don't get sex... but of emotional men who got hurt by women

the primary motivation behind this is to understand women (usually by explaining their actions as raw selfinterest) and not get hurt again.

[–]GLOOTS_OF_PEACE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When a man musters the balls to approach a woman, and she publicly ridicules him, shames him, and nuclear rejects him for her own self amusement, rather than just a polite "no thanks", she is a narcissistic cunt with no regard for the feelings of other people. I'm not a misogynist for saying so.

how often does this happen? real talk son, rejection is never that bad. you're scaring fellas from approaching women if you say shit like this lol. Even if it bad, good. Don't take it personally and learn from it. Take responsibility, and realise that you might have come across in a weird way for example.

[–]1RPB1 576 points577 points  (69 children)

Maybe we are bigots, maybe we hate women. Maybe we aren't, and maybe we don't. It's entirely superfluous to the point of why we're here. Attacking these points does not dismiss our existence, nor does it address it.

"We're not here because we're free. We're here because we're not free. There is no escaping reason; no denying purpose. Because as we both know, without purpose, we would not exist."

We are here because of feminism. We're here to take from them what they tried to take from us: purpose.

Agent Smith lines aside, what our detractors and critics fail to realize is that the Red Pill is an emergent property of a preeminent problem. That is, the ever-increasing encroachment of male subjugation, expendability, disrespect, and sexual constriction.

We didn't wake up one morning and collectively decide to call women on their bullshit because misogyny, we suffered through our early lives doing what women and television told us to do and decided to do things the successful way: our way.

Their hamsters are stuck in a loop while we decided to get somewhere using our own two feet as sovereign individuals whose prerogative is to find satisfaction in our lives on our terms.

They don't hate us for our views, they hate us for their lack of power over us. They've become so entrenched in their narcissism that the notion of using effort and offering value beyond their pussy is heresy itself.

A man who cannot be controlled by sex cannot be used by women, and the idea of the chickens coming home to roost scares the shit out of them.

The irony though is that many of us don't care about women that much anymore, we just want to be free to enjoy our own slice of pie in peace. We are giving ourselves the respect we were denied by people who offered rhetoric instead of solutions.

Fuck them, I've got my own life to live.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 214 points215 points  (6 children)

They don't hate us for our views, they hate us for their lack of power over us. They've become so entrenched in their narcissism that the notion of using effort and offering value beyond their pussy is heresy itself.

I wish TRP bot was working because that's a great point. ♂

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I'll manually point him.

[–]1menergize 17 points18 points  (0 children)

If he struggles I'm a developer in many languages, I can help you fix it.

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

If you think you can fix it- PRAW was upgraded to match reddit api upgrade, so now the code is broken and I haven't had time to fix it.

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[–]RP_on_TV 35 points36 points  (4 children)

"our own slice of pie."

This is where I am now. I went from actually fantasizing about a wife, house, kids to wondering what life would be like if it was just house, and realizing it is a very legitimate option.

My own slice...i don't like watching movies as much anymore. Or TV. I don't want to read the news or Facebook statuses. Anything "trending" is probably shit.

I can't handle the idiocy and the sensationalism over nothing.

I don't know how "women are more than their dress" can be in the news one day, and some girl singer's latest fashion choice in the next.

I don't want this crap in my slice of pie. I just want to do what I need to do to be the man I wanna be and not be fed this bs anymore.

And the fact that it's what "most" people care about is just as upsetting.

[–]Cherubaal 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Reading this reminds me of a book I read recently, "Empire of Illusion". By Chris Hedges. Fantastic book. It has a similar morality and belief to red pill, but more focused on the lies and how they're affecting society as a whole rather than the sexual strategy bent red pill takes. Though my favorite chapter is "the illusion of love" which delves into the porn industry.

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Thanks dude i will read that, because previous comment just stuck me. I am feeling the same thing ! I am sick of tv with stupidity and nakedness everywhere. Every piece of shit has now a golden wrapper... Music books movies are nothinb new etc...

[–]52576078 0 points1 point  (0 children)

+1 Chris Hedges is absolutely brilliant, a Pulitzer Prize winner who was kicked out of the NYT for asking questions. A true people's champion. He's one of the few clear voices on the (true) Left these days.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is what i raged earlier this week. Probably used too many fucks... Oh well, but i read you and sometimes i feel that i should just watch the world burn without moving a finger...

Onism ?! That really applied to me. I guss thanks to holywood that planted the ideea of me being incomolete if i'm not some kind of hero. No, i say fuck you! I will live try yo find my own happiness without any fucking one system to dictate how or what should i think and feel. I will make my own mistakes and try to learn from them. I don't need your definition of right and wrong. I don't need your opinion on that, i will learn myself. What i need from you is teaching me how to think and not what to think. Thank you tv but no, your mtv idols are shallow fucks that eat brain like hingry zombies with big lascivous boobs and sexy abs that drive fancy cars while cry about global warming. Yeah, fuck mtv and fuck every other fuck that thinks he can treat me like a piece of easy conditioned meat. Fuck you with your 29 kinds of icecream and 3d movies that follow the same script seasoned with lame stupid jokes. Fuck you, i can be unhappy as well, cuz, surprize unhapoy makes me think and i desire it cuz it makes me better. Fuck you cuz being unhappy gets me out of your ponk hazed pseudo heaven designed to tailor me in a perfect breeding slave. Fuck you ! I will be happy withou lt you telling me what hapoy means! I will travel in my mind and it will be much more interesting than travelling to your 5 star resorts where i can eat all i can whithout any thought. Consuminb does not make me human you fucks ! I am not a shit eating vacuum ! I need to think and make my own decisions ! I need to feel sadness as well ! I need to understand wrong from consequences of my actions. I k ow that stealing or killing is wrong ! Why teach me that. Teach me how to think if you want to change the world,. Teach me what to think if you want to enslave ! I say no. I will not folllow you ! I will set myself free. I wilk probably die without you pretty societal acceptance and i will be happy abt it. I will know i was right !

[–]qwertyleftme 54 points55 points  (1 child)

"A man who cannot be controlled by sex cannot be used by women, and the idea of the chickens coming home to roost scares the shit out of them." - very nice, very empowering to hear other men out there feel the same!

[–]bluedrygrass 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And yet you'll soon see on those same boards threads from men that doesn't know how to get a grip on their lives, and prefers to pretend that all men are sexual slaves and that they phisically need sex or some other bullshit. Hamstering to cover laziness or helplessness.

[–]CornyHoosier 60 points61 points  (44 children)

Excellent points all around.

I'd like to add that our society tells men that we're weak for showing compassion or emotion. Frankly, I find that disgusting. Men have a right to all emotional ranges and the right to express those emotion in anyway they choose (as long as it's not a danger to others).

A lot of men when they come to TRP are angry and they have a full right to be! For one reason or another the system that was supposed to provide and support them failed, those men (us) weren't getting what we needed to have a happy life.

For me, one of the great things about TRP is that it brings me (and others) peace and serenity. When a man is willing to accept his mistakes and work to better himself and his situation it will calm him. When a man subsequently see progress from bettering himself he feels serenity.

We're not physically violent and we're not emotionally abusive, we're here to make ourselves no longer need the system and to not need to rely on others.

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[–]CornyHoosier 60 points61 points  (2 children)

weakness of any kind makes you "creepy" to women.

I no longer care what a woman thinks of me. I care what I think of me and care about what I feel a man should be.

[–]I_AMA_Naughty_Boy 28 points29 points  (8 children)

That's all fine and good. Just be aware weakness of any kind makes you "creepy" to women.

Only men with low/lower SMV. They will rationalize emotional range from a man with high SMV.

[–]1InscrutablePUA 21 points22 points  (0 children)

A high SMV man might have a higher 'threshold' for showing emotional range, but it's not much.

[–]1Halfjor 8 points9 points  (5 children)

It also depends on how close you are. If you've demonstrated your value consistently and you open up your emotions about something to your LTR or wife they generally wouldn't lose respect for you.

It isn't recommended to go to them first, or do it often, but you're relatively safe if you do it wisely. I think one of the big points is that they don't want to see you distraught and dependent. If you open up about something serious but use the correct wording and posturing it can sound far from needy and weak.

The thing is, women don't get close to men with low SMV. The orbiters will think they are close to them, but they aren't.

[–]tbpd 9 points9 points [recovered]

I agree that people close to you will tolerate more emotion than strangers. But when a man displays a wider emotional range, it's perceived as weakness. Period. No SMV will change the fact that men are allowed fewer emotions than women. Both sexes find emotional displays from men unsavory. I do it too, I either can't or won't help myself. Being emotional feels wrong. I just want to solve the problem, not linger on it.

This also affect people close to you. It's deeply embedded in our perception of what a man should be. A rock (both physically and emotionally). It's even visible in the way we differentiate the emotional care we give to our children. Young boys will be picked up later than young girls, we give the boys a second before we act. The attention given to them when they experience pain (like falling off a bike) is less than that of young girls. This is information from studies that's just about to reach the surface of mainstream media.

Here are a few links that scratches the surface:

Psycology Today: Adolescence and Physical Affection with Parents

William Pollack: Real boys

(This is an oldie) Lois Wladis Hoffman and Martin L. Hoffman: Review of Child Development Research, Volume 1

"As noted earlier, girls receive considerably more affection and less physical punishment than boys."

I'm having trouble finding the more recent studies underlining the difference. I hope some of you can help me find them.

In closing, it's a huge problem and definitely something we should work on as a society. But right now, male emotional displays count as weaknesses.

/rant

[–]2wiseclockcounter 25 points26 points  (3 children)

If you've read this far down into this tangent and you're new to TRP (as this post was likely to attract you), it's important to grasp the following point as I feel the past few comments are missing on something HUGE that is a pillar of the Red Pill.

Saying society is wrong for treating, raising, and valuing men in a way that suppresses their emotions is the same shit as Feminism trying to denounce society for valuing women for their youth, faithfulness, and pleasant attitude. You can't hope and bitch away reality. It is what the fuck it is.

Deny it all you want, live your life as a blubbering emotional basket case and declare "i'm a strong independent MAY-uhn who don't need no woman, and I can cry when I want to" and enjoy the same reaction from women that men would give to a hambeast feminist who says "i'm a strong independent womyn who don't need no man, and I can fuck as many dudes as I want and put off a family for some shit career and still have everything in the end."

The Red Pill is not about what you wish the world would be like, it is about accepting and embracing reality for what it is and modifying your behavior and awareness to produce an outcome that best aligns with your values and desires.

The world can't be "wrong" for being the way it is, it is not a person, it is an emergent state of consequences. The only thing that can be wrong is your expectations of it. Know this and behave accordingly.

[–]NileakTheVet 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Perfect. This is what the red pill has been about for me, im a realist. Realisticly, the world has no sympathy for men, so we must be strong. Not put on a tough face strong but realiant on ourselves. Men can feel any emotion they want, the diffence is that our emotions should quickly be addressed and handled through decisive action. We arent robots, but we need to have our emotions under control less we stray too far from being that rock every woman wants. Being emotionally stable, and well adjusted, and independent are the best things you can be as a man because it cuts your dependancy on women while also attracting them.

[–]2wiseclockcounter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I commented on that cute video of the little kid getting a shot and growling "I'm a MAN". Predictably, people were talking about how terrible it is that men's emotions are repressed like that, but in actuality, a man will be unhappy, or if it's any different- less happy than he ever could be, if he does not have the capacity to deal with his problems in a masculine way.

Embracing masculinity in it's fullest sense is not easy at all. I remember as a kid, as I'm sure many others do, being told to man up or being shamed for crying. My feelings were hurt and my pride was getting in the way of admitting the truth and my responsibility. Masculinity is about personal accountability. Which invites consideration of women's general lack of it...

It's about shifting your "person" from the bitch inside you to the boss inside you. People who say it's wrong for us to be hard on young boys and their emotions don't realize the benefit of that transition. It makes them better people who can actually respect themselves. If you willfully remain the bitch version of yourself, and you still think you respect yourself, you are in denial. If you've consciously changed your mind through years of development to become the boss version of yourself, then you know you can respect yourself and you give that self-respect meaning.

This is a tough process best learned as a child while the mind is young. This sub should be testament enough that old habits die hard.

also its lest* :P

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Cant up vote this enough.

[–]Jonesey505 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There's talking about how you feel with a view to solving your problem.

There's saying nothing about your problem and letting it fester inside.

And then there's talking endlessly about it and crying.

Of these responses, I think the second is the dysfunctional male response, and the third is the dysfunctional female response. I believe the first response is the best way to deal with any issue you have, and that goes for men and women.

By letting your emotions fester inside, they remain undefined and all consuming. By talking endlessly about your problems you start self-victimising, and fairly soon you enter the path of self-matyrdom. Talking about your problem with a view to solving it helps you to see the issue more clearly, and you'll gain empathy from other people.

[–]PookIsLovePookIsLife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just like women have every right to be fat, shrill, bitchy slobs. They just need to understand it will not attract men.

[–]writewhereileftoff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Go ahead. Just dont expect it to be attractive to the other sex.

[–]1KissTheBridesmaid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Vulnearbility can be valuable, but only if coming from a man who is percieved as strong and is choosing to be vulnerable.

[–]foldpak111 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Unless you're a 106 year old vampire that glitters in the sunlight. Then it's fuckin sexy.

[–]2IVIaskerade 43 points44 points  (17 children)

Here's the thing. Men have a right to the full range of emotions. However, that doesn't mean that people won't still perceive you as weak for showing them. The right to do something is also the responsibility to bear the consequences.

Law 30 states "make your accomplishments seem effortless". There is a difference between experiencing emotion (nobody can entirely stop that unless they have a mental disorder) and showing it (anyone can hide their true feelings). By hiding your emotions, your anger, your hurt, people will see you as unfazable, as untouchable by worldly setbacks. By hiding your happiness and weakness, your will pique the curiosity of women, who want to be able to be "the one to make you open up". By allowing yourself to feel emotions, but not showing it, by adopting a calm, stoic perspective, you will become a more powerful person.

Yes, men suffer alone, but that makes them stronger. I neither need nor want the pity of people who do not understand me.

[–]CornyHoosier 11 points12 points  (13 children)

Men have a right to the full range of emotions. However, that doesn't mean that people won't still perceive you as weak for showing them

That fine. I find it perfectly acceptable for some people to perceive my display of emotion as a weakness. To me personally, I find the loss of emotional control as a weakness.

For example, I think it's perfectly acceptable to display anger; but believe it's a lose of emotional control to allow anger to overwhelm you to the point where you physically lash out violently. I find it perfectly acceptable to be unhappy or cry if you've experienced some sort of sorrow; but I find it to be a lose of emotional control if you roll around kicking and screaming on the ground.

Again, I understand that people in our society believe male emotion to be a weakness ... I just no longer allow their thoughts to influence my life. It's a personal choice that each man must make.

[–]Kill_Your_Ego 6 points7 points  (3 children)

When you are showing emotions you are earning yourself a shit test, period. There are only so many shit tests you can survive and you've got to pass pretty much all of them. So you can show your emotions but each time you are getting a shit test for it within a few weeks.

[–]1Revo_Luzione 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I enjoy setting up shit tests with emotionality, only to crush them mercilessly with teasing and dread game. It comes from the Temujin Khan school--big emotional ups & downs. It's fun & sharpens the dark triad chops.

[–]ametalshard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It sounds harsh, but I've seen it in practice more than once, from someone I thought was the sweetest girlfriend ever. It really shocked me...

[–]1Revo_Luzione 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I enjoy setting up shit tests with emotionality, only to crush them mercilessly with teasing and dread game. It comes from the Temujin Khan school--big emotional ups & downs. It's fun & sharpens the dark triad chops.

[–]Flowhill 1 point2 points  (7 children)

We must be able to release our emotions from time to time. Showing them to much may be seen as weakness, however not expressing your emotions at all can (and often will) lead to psychological problems.
It is up to you when, where and how to show your emotions.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 6 points7 points  (4 children)

As far as I was aware, that's a myth. Expressing a given emotion makes you more likely to express it, and nothing more. You don't, "bottle anger up".

[–]1beerthroway 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Those that I see in life that always feel they need to vent (men and women alike) seem to be the ones that complain the most and struggle the most with their issues. Those that do their best to take it in stride seem to have the fewest problems in their lives.

Now it's obviously not that simple because there is selection bias (not everyone is dealing with the same amount of problems), but it does seem that the more one allows their emotions to vent, the more frequently they feel it's acceptable to vent them.

[–]mypasswordismud 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I never thought about it before, but it actually makes perfect sense. Got any links for further reading?

[–]cooledcannon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think good terms to search are related to catharsis myth and the idea of an emotion wiring your brain to make it easier to experience the emotion again, by strengthening the pathway.

[–]52576078 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would say that's a big claim. Any sources?

Having personally done a lot of self work over the decades, I would say that the key to handling emotions successfully is allowing oneself to fully feel them while calmly observing their passage. The consequence of not doing this is a kind of a chronic body tension resulting in a kind of muscle "armour".

[–]foldpak111 5 points6 points  (1 child)

That's why you lift. I come out of every workout feeling like I just 'went the distance'. It's a spiritual experience if your workouts are that intense.

[–]Flowhill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Definitely! Everytime I feel stressed I go to the gym, you feel amazing after a good workout. To channel your emotions (and stress) into something is great, everyone should have some kind of outlet.

[–]2IVIaskerade -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

me personally, I find the loss of emotional control as a weakness.

Absolutely. However, one must also be aware of how society views things. TRP has a very "fuck PR" stance, which is a fantastic thing for filtering out those not ready to have a mature discussion about it, but individually we must be more shrewd. Society still frowns on open displays of emotion from men, so we should endeavour not to give them.

If you have disconnected then that is good for you, but I number among the men who do not wish to do so right now, so I must tread more carefully.

[–]dvrzero 0 points1 point  (1 child)

all rights are responsibilities, though.

[–]2IVIaskerade 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Tell that to the people who advocate for such “rights". They promote the “right" to sleep around, but not the responsibility to accept the lowered desirability that comes with it. They promote the “right" to equal pay, but not the responsibility to work equally hard for it.

I wouldn't have made the statement if it was redundant. It should be so, but such truisms are being deliberately erased by those with a stake in ensuring their own irresponsibility.

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[–]NakorZ 6 points7 points  (1 child)

What I find most disturbing about this whole thing is the total lack of self-awareness women seem to have of their own actions. Their capacity to express one belief and then follow the direct opposite within the span of a conversation makes me question their intelligence or even sentience. It's such a mindfuck.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Their capacity to express one belief and then follow the direct opposite within the span of a conversation makes me question their intelligence or even sentience.

You and me both.

[–]RealRational 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I recently made a post that talked about this same thing, healthy emotional processing is necessary to becoming a healthy, independent human being.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

This is one of the best posts I've read in a while.

Bravo sir.

[–]1beerthroway 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Fantastic post. It reminded me of the quote from Fight Club:

We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need.

[–]doc_rotten 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I subscribed to respond to this:

Much of concern with women today, is they too were also raised by single mothers.

[–]1beerthroway 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Learning from women who learned from women about what a man should be. So far removed from an original source it's laughable.

[–]laere 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is what I needed today. Thanks.

[–]HeadingRed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And I can, have and did get laid- and that's part of my problem. If I never was able to land a woman I would be in a large paid-off house with a nice retirement fund thinking if I want to work until 55 or 65.

But I got some and I got stupid. And part of that stupid was thinking I could use my wallet to fix my relationships. Now I know that is not the case.

[–]slcjosh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People fear what can't be controlled. Its that simple. We don't buy into the bullshit and that's scary. It doesn't mean we hate women. It doesn't mean we're racist or bigoted or whatever else people claim. It just means we see things for what they are.

[–]littleboyredpill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This... all of this. Thank you.

[–]Extraltodeus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is so inspiring.

I would totally raise my sword and follow you to death in battle if you said that from a pedestal.

[–]Luckyluke23 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

so you are saying we got off the hamster wheel and had a look around the cage?

[–]waitfor_ittt 379 points380 points  (153 children)

Male here, 22, TRP has helped me get over my ex GF and understand my own value. I love myself, and I love women even more now because I understand them and their natural instincts.

[–]twolanterns 207 points208 points  (145 children)

It's been said before and should be said again, TRP is not anti-woman. People who believe so are the real bigots, since they never read up on the quality posts here.

[–]Rbtrockstar 95 points95 points [recovered]

Truth. The intolerant will always find ways to twist meanings to suit their agenda. At it's core TRP is not anti-anything. Simply Pro-you.

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (16 children)

The problem of anti-X movements is they never have a defined end-game. Hooray, we removed racism, communism, friendzone and the nation of Finland, what now?

[–]itsmehobnob 31 points32 points  (14 children)

Case in point is MADD. The founder of the organization left because she felt it was more concerned with perpetuating itself than celebrating the success it has had. It continually needs to move the goal posts in order to have something to be Against.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 27 points28 points  (9 children)

MADD stopped being about "anti drunk driving" a long time ago. They are now just as corrupt a political lobby with a self-serving agenda as any other lobby.

[–]Kill_Your_Ego 19 points20 points  (0 children)

'The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.'

[–]1Halfjor 20 points21 points  (0 children)

The whole raising the drinking age thing really pisses me off. Well over 90% of drunk drivers are in their 20's or older. From anything I've seen, kids that are 16-21 are more scared to drive after drinking because they're are younger, less experienced, and know they could lose their license instantly.

The problem is the culture around alcohol not the laws. People don't crave alcohol or hurt themselves with it nearly as much in Europe as the United States. It's introduced earlier with parents around, and it's understood that it's nothing special. 21st birthdays are glorified in the United States. Kids even go to Canada when they turn 19. Teens get black out drunk at weekend parties because it's a forbidden fruit and they are taught that they can't easily get it, so they might as well drink as much as possible.

Fuck MADD. Its name, as if "mothers" makes your concerns more important than everyone else's. Its policies. Any group that wants to make laws and fuck with my life based on their emotions and feelings instead of logic and facts really pisses me off. Fuck them. I started having beers with my dad while working around the house when I was ~15. Wine with dinner sometimes. Drinks on holidays. I'm far better off for it. I still get hammered sometimes but I never had that attitude that some kids have towards it.

[–]XXXmormon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In my hometown, I dealt with MADD constantly to try to get music festivals and concerts going with the support of other local organizations. It was going to mean more publicity and more ticket sales if we could convince parents that it was a safe environment.

Every time we tried to contact them, they chose to not reply to our correspondence. Instead, they would always go to the newspaper, drum up some drama about how we are trying to be secretive, refusing to talk to them, and make a bunch of wild accusations about the nature of our events. It was exhausting.

They had no interest in whether or not we were being safe. They were only interested in using our events as opportunities to build up controversy and give them a public venue to display their concern for all the community to see. Fucking useless people.

[–]ModAerobus -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Really? I am interested in this? Can you point to any examples about how they are furthering a feminist agenda? I'm going to google them and do some research, but I had no idea they turned full SJW.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Basically they went from being against drunk driving to being full-on against anybody who drinks alcohol, period. They're pretty much new-age prohibitionists, and not shockingly, they are all women. They want to do to the alcohol industry what anti-smoking groups did to tobacco: impose so many regulatory taxes and fees so as to make the product insanely expensive and reduce consumption. They also want to make "happy hours" and "drink specials" at bars illegal, which is basically tampering with the conduct of legal, private business owners.

They get their way by doing what all political lobbies do: buy off politicians with campaign donations.

[–]ModAerobus 4 points5 points  (2 children)

They also want to make "happy hours" and "drink specials" at bars illegal,

I just don't even know what to say. I hope other, non feminist/SJW lobbies have more power than them.

[–]Hoodwink 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Eh. The taxes from alcohol drive a large portion of commercial activity (in addition to its direct revenue). I don't think America will ever have anything like prohibition again...

Unless you had absolute religious/feminist nuts voted in consistently.

[–]dvrzero 7 points8 points  (3 children)

raising the drinking age to 21... how did they celebrate that, with cake?

[–]Jf5ve 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Go north, drinking age is 19 in most Canada, 18 in Quebec last I checked anyways.

[–]CrazyGuyWhoKnows 0 points0 points [recovered]

18 in Alberta/Manitoba/Quebec.

[–]BlaiseDB 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ya it goes 19/18/19/18/19/18 across the country.

[–]Titan5000 2 points3 points  (1 child)

[–]coffee_and_lumber 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It's easy enough for newbies to come here and find examples of men bad mouthing women and not being shamed and reprimanded for it. TRP veterans recognize that anger and bruised ego is only part of the first uncomfortable stages of swallowing the Pill and so let it lie. This is a safe place.

[–]BlaiseDB 104 points105 points  (69 children)

I'm not anti-women, I am anti-feminist. The problem is that feminists can't tell the difference and refuse to acknowledge that not all feminists are women and not all women are feminists.

Perhaps I am just anti-stupid, which is what really pisses off feminists when they are still on about earning 78 cents on the dollar or whatever mendacious/ignorant number it is they are throwing out this time around.

I've never had any particular problem meeting women, having sex partners or - hey - even falling in a love a few times. However, after 3 years at a left coast law school and then 4 years as a divorce attorney I said "fuck this". I was sick of all the feminist bullshit and having to tell fathers, "sorry man the system is rigged against you."

I tore up my shingle, moved to China, and now this really pisses the feminists off that I am having sex with women who are younger, prettier, have one quarter the divorce rate and one sixth the obesity rate. And now that their sexless neckbeard insult has been proven as untrue as the "gender wage gap", what is their reply?

Oh, that's because he's intimidated by a strong, independent North American woman.

Are you delusional, bitch? Before law school I spent ten years in the military doing explosive demolitions. You think some cow with a gender studies degree intimidates me?

</rant>

[–]coffee_and_lumber 34 points35 points  (2 children)

Are you delusional, bitch? Before law school I spent ten years in the military doing explosive demolitions. You think some cow with a gender studies degree intimidates me?

Got a good kick out of this. I think about my own military service and all the places I've been and traveled to, and all the struggles of my life every time I see one of these people furiously spinning wheels with their useless education. Undisciplined, self-righteous, shrill, entitled, and seeing no correlation between their feminist beliefs and their own disastrous level of unattractiveness.

Thank you for your service.

[–]BlaiseDB 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Appreciated. Of course the irony is that I spent a decade preparing to fight the commies, and now I sort of is one!

Chimo

[–]Taymanners 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have a fucking up upvote brother.

[–]Talisk3r 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You should be a motivational speaker, that rant got me ready for battle.

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[–]BlaiseDB 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I sort of joke that there are two types of prostitutes: those you pay to get into bed and those you pay to go away after. Whenever you read a celebrity scandal about some rich guy caught with a hooker, it will be the second type.

I think a number of contributors have commented here about always be doing things as part of the attraction and maintenance of a woman. And others will say that your woman will try to take control of thing and if you let them, that is a role reversal that spells death.

Woman can do, in theory, do just about any career but they should be judged by and held to the same standards that men have been for the last 6000 years of recorded history.

[–]GainzdalfTheWhey -1 points0 points  (8 children)

This is interesting, can you confirm gender? Because people will point to this as a sexless man pretending. But I will comment about a particular girls look, specially in movies, magazines, events, just not in a sexual tone, more of beauty appreciation

[–]pissinurbutt -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh, duh...you're asking me to "confirm gender" because you apparently don't believe I'm a girl?? Whatever, guy. If you don't want to believe me, then don't. I'm not here trying to prove something. Just wanted to show a (non traditional) females perspective. Relax....

[–]Tailback 0 points1 point  (1 child)

LOL! That was awesome! I'm saving that rant and with your permission I might use that on some other forums.

[–]BlaiseDB 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Use it, and here is the addendum: I was a geek in high school and I could not pay a girl to piss on me if I wanted to. Then I unplugged: got a haircut, better clothes, contact lenses, joined the army and formed a rock band. That transition showed me just how vacuous society - and women in particular - can be. Blue pill says "be yourself"; Red pill says "be the person you are meant to be".

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Excellent post, sir. Curious, how are you earning money in China? Early retirement?

[–]BlaiseDB 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I teach but I have some other business opportunities coming down the pipe that I hope will let me retire early.

[–]PookIsLovePookIsLife 9 points10 points  (0 children)

What people can't understand is that TRP isn't misogynistic, it's sexist. It deals with the reality that men and women have different desires, strengths, and weaknesses and discusses the consequences of those differences.

The thing is, being sexist is not evil. Nature is sexist. Science is sexist. Dealing with the world without taking gender into account cannot result in a complete picture of gendered relationships. Funny how it's always the science and nature documentaries that mirror what is said in TRP. Science and nature are sexist.

[–]badnews6string 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I have been called a misogynist so many times I can't even count. Every time I have responded that I am not, that I like women, and truly enjoy their company, but I don't eat bullshit, no matter how pretty the server, nor whether the utensil is lead or gold.

[–]Strangeclouds420 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Exactly, the haters use low-quality posts and out-of-context quotes to disqualify TRP.

[–]dgillz 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Many of which are planted by our opponents.

[–]2wiseclockcounter 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The albums of screenshots they usually parade around are from mods or endorsed contributors or comments handsomely upvoted, so what you said isn't exactly true.

The thing is, no matter how stinging the truth, our detractors don't have the experience or introspection necessary to even begin to understand what the posts mean. So they just get angry or give a clueless, patronizing laugh.

[–]Strangeclouds420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And I would file those under out-of-context. Not understanding the culture here can lead to some rough interpretations of the content here.

[–]kaihau 31 points31 points [recovered]

As a member of the other sex, I agree. This subreddit has its bad posts, but if you actually read this subreddit instead of going by titles, you can find gold. As a lesbian leaning bisexual girl, I use good information from here a lot - even if its centered around men getting women. I also use it to become a better woman for men without giving up everything.

I very much enjoy this subreddit and ignore the people who make the few nasty "extreme" posts.

I find feminism to be much more hateful and full of bigots than this subreddit could ever be.

[–]Evolved_Red 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I recently reconnected with my best friend from high school, a girl, whom i had not seen in almost 10 years. No physical attraction, she's literally like my little sister.

She's just ended a 6 year live-in relationship with a lesbian. She had a ltr boyfriend and was a woman of God last i saw her. Now she's living a life of sin (according to her).

Out at dinner, she questions me on how guys can put up with so much drama that women create needlessly. All the mind games, all the manipulation on feelings. Her own words were 'it took me to sleep with a woman just to see how messed up women are!' and was why she ended her relationship.

I'm amazed and appreciate that some women like yourself are out there and aware of the struggles that men put up with in the dating world.

[–]kaihau 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yep!

Although I am attracted to women, I don't really date much. I still get the drama, the mind games, all the negatives. I don't need it. I know how guys feel in the dating world and I agree with a good portion of this subreddit.

There's a lot I've learned about myself dating women though. I don't [think I] shit test or play mind games. I'm forward and to the point. It's sort of a taught thing I think, and I didn't have a very good childhood and didn't have a female figure in my life except my grandmother who really wasn't that interested in me. I never really had female friends either.

My sister plays games with guys because my mom taught her to. My mom is on her 3rd marriage, getting married in a few months to the 3rd beta guy she found (I thought he was alpha when I met him, then he submitted to her stupid bullshit). I love when my sister reads me texts how she's mad at her boyfriend because he's being alpha and not putting up wth her shit. The other day I saw a text that he sent after she "broke up with him": "[Sister] If you text me 3 more times I'm blocking you" so she replies "OK" and the boyfriend texts her back "2." I laughed and applauded him. I don't think she knows what to do, and he doesn't really give a shit because while he's having a great life in college and already in a great job, she's sitting at home doing nothing and depending on him.

[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Read this:

http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2yn18l/psa_regarding_new_guidelines_courtesy_of_your_new/

I am not going to take further action, because I don't think you are actually consciously trying to get extra attention "because vagina". You're just kind of used to doing that.

But it needs to stop. In the future, do not preface comments with "As a woman,". It lends nothing to your argument. The proper thing to say would have been "I am bisexual, so I... etc etc etc".

It's okay if someone manages to infer that you have a vagina, but don't yell and wave it about... unless you brought enough for everybody.

[–]kaihau 0 points0 points [recovered]

You're just kind of used to doing that.

Being rude to people isn't a great way to make friends or start relationships regardless of sex or gender. I would've told you to fuck off immediately for that in a date setting. It gets you nowhere.

Please change the guidelines on the sidebar as well, as I read the current rules in the side bar: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1woc2r/mod_posting_rules_2014_update/

I'll stay out of TRP from now on though. I don't like mods on their high horse who don't know how to run a community when I've had people telling me they appreciate my point of view and how I see how women work in relationships and dating since I have experience.

[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I'll stay out of TRP from now on though. I don't like mods on their high horse who don't know how to run a community when I've had people telling me they appreciate my point of view and how I see how women work in relationships and dating since I have experience.

Ah, so you were expecting special treatment for being a woman. The kind of special treatment that prevents you from being kicked out, punched in the mouth, or laughed at when you waltz into someone's clubhouse, spend one or two days there, and then tell them how to run the place, because you now know all about it.

Little miss wants to be "one of the boys", but doesn't like being treated the same.

Bye now.

[–]Booksarefun666 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When I was a teen I always thought lesbians were a beautiful thing until I actually dipped my toe in the dating pool with other girls. Kind of creepy, I know, but hey.

I certainly don't envy you, you get basically none of the perks of being a girl in the dating world I imagine. :P

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (35 children)

TRP is anti-women the same way I'm racist because I point out the majority of robberies are committed by black people.

It's a fact. It's just not socially acceptable to point it out.

[–]HumanSimulacrum 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's a fact. It's just not socially acceptable to point it out.

The problem is that it's a rather worthless fact. It's worthless because it explains nothing about why they commit more crimes, and gives us nothing to go on in terms of reducing crime.

The fact that most crimes are committed by poor and uneducated people, conversely, is a useful fact. If we reduce the number of people without a good education, we can reduce crime. If we reduce the number of people who are so poor that they feel the need to steal, we can reduce crime. But reducing the number of black people will not reduce crime, unless they happen to be (surprise!) uneducated and poor black people.

The other problem is that facts like this are misused to justify racist attitudes, regardless of whether the person who initially points it out has racist intentions.

[–]singeblanc 15 points16 points  (32 children)

No, that is a bit racist; disingenuous at least. The vast majority of robberies are carried out by poor and undereducated people. In some places (large parts of the US) there us a very high correlation between being black and being poor and undereducated. Once you adjust for poverty, skin colour isn't much if a factor, and perpetuating the myth is primarily used by those with a racist agenda.

TL;DR: Rich black people are unlikely to be robbers, poor white areas have predominantly white burglars.

[–]apachemd 8 points9 points  (20 children)

You're bring pedantic. "Most robberies are committed by black people" is a true statement. Period. You can slice and dice and qualify and explain it away any way you want, but it remains a true statement. It is a statistical fact. Black and white.

[–]2wiseclockcounter 1 point2 points  (12 children)

bit racist... disingenuous... I'd probably go with unqualified truth. Saying "most robberies are committed by black people" is a faulty statement because it leaves open the opportunity for it to support a racist agenda.

It's pretty standard practice in science for example to offer a conclusion, but heavily disclaim it with other explanations or reasons why the research could be more complete. People get what you're saying. But let's not be deliberately thick.

[–]apachemd -1 points0 points  (11 children)

I stand firm. Stating a fact does not make it or me racist, no matter how much you take it personally. You are committing a logical fallacy.

[–]2wiseclockcounter 1 point2 points  (10 children)

i'm not saying it's racist, just that there is fault to be found in your statement not because it's not true, but because it doesn't thoroughly disallow someone from misusing it. Which is a pretty important caution to take nowadays.

[–]apachemd 1 point2 points  (9 children)

"important caution to take"? Geez u docs sound like a bleeding heart liberal woman. This is a major problem with the country nowadays -- PC-ness to the extreme. God forbid people actually state and discuss facts openly without the veneer of bs nicities and qualifiers -- oh no that might offend somebody and we can't do that, forget results we just want everyone to feel warm fuzzies all the time. It is an individual responsibility to understand facts, to engage in rational (not emotional) discussion, and to avoid logical fallacies - it is not my responsibility to sugar coat or qualify everything I say to high heaven so feeble minded people understand it better and don't get offended. Please take your hall monitor duties elsewhere.

[–]singeblanc 2 points3 points  (4 children)

No, you are the one who is forgetting "results", you think your statements are innocent facts with no subtext, which is dangerously naive.

Humans are evolutionarily predisposed to see patterns and psychologically inclined to gather information that supports pre-existing views, a trait known as confirmation bias. We confuse coincidence with correlation and correlation with causality.

It is a "true fact" that as ice cream sales in a city rise, so does the murder rate. It happens over and over in cities around the world, reported in many studies. Just a harmless fact. But if you saw this fact popping up in comment threads, sometimes on it's own, sometimes with a more overt anti-dairy agenda, you might start to doubt the intelligence of the commentators: are they really that stupid that they think that the two are causally linked?!

Maybe you'd challenge them and their undercurrent of Ben and Jerry's hating beliefs? "It's just a true fact!" they'd hamster, "No one can argue with it!"

[–]2wiseclockcounter 0 points1 point  (3 children)

The number of people who've since chimed in here about the "natural" inferiority of black people (explicitly breaking a sub rule, might I add) sufficiently proves my point.

Also it's about public perception. Read through the 48 laws of power and you'll get what i mean. We DO live in a PC culture. Being aware of people's judgements and censoring yourself accordingly is important. Unless you don't care about being ostracized, in which case you'd be retarded.

[–]singeblanc -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

No, you're cherry picking "facts" to align with a world view, purposely misunderstanding correlation and causation. If you want to live in a better future, it's important to understand the difference so you can combat the causes of problems without wasting time, money and energy on statistically insignificant corollaries.

It is fact that most burglars are right handed, and male, and in their late teens to early thirties... however none of these corollaries are useful unless your aim is to marginalise people who fall into those categories. If your aim is to reduce robberies, people who prefer evidence based reasoning prefer combating poverty and the other causes of crime.

[–]apachemd -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Are you a female by any chance? I could understand if the female mind was confused as you appear to be, but most men would get it. Where did I mention correlation/causation? What I stated is a statistical fact, just like you stating that must robberies are committed by right handed people. There's really nothing to debate about. Both are true facts.

[–]singeblanc -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Ha, nice hamstering!

I raised correlation/causation as a way of educating you so you don't come off as a racist moron when stating your "true facts". Go back again and read it slowly: I don't debate that most burglars are right handed, I debate the utility of the observation. It's not just that the corollary is useless, it's worse than that: by wasting time and resources on "right hand crime" we're not only not doing anything to help solve the actual problem we're trying to solve, but actually making things worse for the right handed community that we are uselessly tarring with the same brush.

It's not just ineffective, we end up worse off.

[–]apachemd 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Ok. And in not discussing the utility of the observation. So you're basically arguing with yourself.

[–]singeblanc -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Cool, observations without utility. Sun is bright. Water is wet. Hitler was a vegetarian.

So you're saying that your comment was merely useless. My point was that it was worse than useless, even if you only intended for it to be a completely worthless contribution to the discussion. The implication, misunderstood by those with more feeble minds, is that the correlation implies causation. That's why I urged you to be careful: you may think it's an innocent waste of byes on a screen, but it's far more nefarious.

[–]interestedplayer -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

yeah and vaccines cause autism, amirite?

[–]apachemd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

(yawn...) please go review the rules of logic and rational debate

[–]SilverManGold 2 points2 points [recovered]

Intelligence among difference races is largely genetic. There are studies that show statistically two high IQ black parents will have less intelligent offspring than their white/asian equivalents, two low IQ white parents will have a more intelligent child than their black equivalents, a black child raised adopted by white parents will be less intelligent than a white child adopted by blacks, etc. Sure intelligence and crime/wealth are connected but so is race and intelligence. MRI scans even show blacks have have an average brain size that's 5 cubic inches smaller than the average brain size of whites which falls in line with the correlation of brain size to IQ (~0.4) and their respective average IQs (85 & 100)

Source

[–]ametalshard 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Yep, races are physically different beings, and having 0.0001% difference in skin, hair, muscle, brain matter, is how biology works.

Will anyone ever want to acknowledge those differences, the respective strengths and weaknesses of different types of humans? Maybe not, but the differences are so infinitesimally small that it really isn't something we should be focusing on.

That being said, if we collect statistics on everything else and apply them to legislature, it is certainly bigoted not to use all relevant statistics and research.

Consider that blacks and South Americans didn't need any kind of affirmative treatment in order to absolutely dominate so many sporting events (once racist laws allowed them to). Nobody helped them out then. | All of this seems to give credence to logical, race-based laws, HOWEVER:

My last point is a question: what it is about a few IQ points that made people with one skin color so racist and hateful? Do you forget that we already tried out a round of society where people weren't allowed to do shit-all because of the consequences of their birth as opposed to the value the person can bring to society?

[–]singeblanc 0 points1 point  (2 children)

As for as the "sporting success" argument, I would counter that the obsessive commitment required to achieve excellence in these sports can actually be a result of having fewer opportunities in the first place. I've heard black athletes in the UK citing, for example, sprinting as an alternative to gang culture.

Also note that the sports that have seen the greatest adoption and success in by black sportspeople over the last 75 years generally require little or no equipment, another sign that the environment in which you were raised is likely crucial to outcomes.

[–]ametalshard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've heard black athletes in the UK citing, for example, sprinting as an alternative to gang culture.

lol... virtually everything has been cited as an alternative to gang culture by virtually every race and every culture...

[–]ChristianGraysBoss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

White people aren't the only ones who have been really racist. You're too sheltered.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Great, I like this argument. Please explain why 33% of forcible rape is committed by black people.

Robbery will surely correlate to being poor, but forcibly shoving your dick in a dry cunt does not. Please liberal hero, be my guest.

[–]HumanSimulacrum 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Your logic is only good at the superficial level. What you fail to understand is the concept of ghetto culture. The problem is that a group of people living in poverty, with poor education and limited ability for self-advancement, developed a culture that gave rise to gangs and the glorification of violence and criminal activity. This culture is as much the cause, if not more, for the prevalence of robberies, and is also the cause of gang killings, rapes, and the like.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I partially agree with you. Black people are on average much dumber than any other race (even when family income is held constant).

I could see how they could be so easily influenced by that culture.

[–]femmefatale1 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

disingenuous at least

It really isn't. Its a useful statistic. If I am walking down the street in a seedy area of town, I can't automatically know who is poor. I can tell skin colour though.

[–]singeblanc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, that would be a false predictor, and believing incorrectly that your stereotype gave you increased knowledge is worse than realising that you can't spot a burglar readily.

Your heuristic will probably work in some specific places, notably some US cities, but taking that fact and extrapolating it as a general rule? Once again you're back into territory of grossly misunderstanding causation and correlation, in regards to both skin colour vs. burglary and singular results vs. general rules.

[–]coffee_and_lumber 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's no progress until everyone involved in the dialog is on the same page. If that's clouded by everyone trying to seem nice and enlightened, nobody is going to get anywhere.

[–]feckinghound -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Can confirm. Am female subscriber.

Been on TBP and it sickens me how women speak about men on there. Would much rather hear you guys make valid points that seem to get lost in neo-feminist bullshit.

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[–]rockinbizkitz 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Man, I wish I had come across this like ten years ago Atleast

[–]Jf5ve 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm with you on that. Although I'm not sure in my youthful ignorance I would have listened.

[–]kaidust -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Same here. Instead of breeding hate because of misunderstanding, since I know how and why women think the way they do, I empathize and forgive the actions of them.

[–]_whistler 99 points100 points  (6 children)

joining the red pill did not start the insults, instead the insults started the red pill.

Important point, and well stated.

I think it's pretty safe to say that most women don't really understand to what degree sex matters in the average man's life. He finds more than a physical release, he finds belonging and acceptance in sex. Sex for a man is knowing you are wanted.

I can't stress the truth of this statement enough. We've been conditioned to reject this part of ourselves, this primal urge toward fulfilling sex and dominant behavior. We've had our natures coerced and beaten from us since childhood, and to the less-aware man, this takes a horrible psychological toll. This community we have here, within this subreddit, is a place to begin repairing the damage done by a society at odds with tens of thousands of years of masculine instinct.

This is precisely why, after finding the Red Pill, I've stayed here and been an (on-and-off) active member of the community. Because not all men are self-aware enough to really know this without help. For me, the number one concept the Red Pill represents is such a self-awareness. And it cannot be an evil thing to be self-aware.

[–]Jaereth 25 points25 points [recovered]

We've been conditioned to reject this part of ourselves, this primal urge toward fulfilling sex and dominant behavior.

The further society pushes the top 5-10% of males away from their peers, the easier it is for women to find that top mate in the wild.

Of course we've been conditioned to this. Its perfect for them to insist that you be a super niceguy male feminist. It means you bought into the bullshit, which is like strapping a "DO NOT FUCK THIS MAN" banner to your back. Easy to see straight away you don't have any respect for yourself, instead of trying to find out by interacting with you. This streamlines the process of if you will be used as a utility or an actual prospect as a mate.

And it works in reverse too. When it's wall time, which dude has the biggest banner? He's the one that won't ever run away and kowtow to any bullshit you want to throw at him for the rest of your life. "Oh your spending the night at Chad's tonight honey? Don't worry, i'll take care of the kids" "Hey, i'm no bitch, men gotta do their parts in the relationship too guys!"

[–]-Luthe- 24 points25 points  (0 children)

"Oh your spending the night at Chad's tonight honey? Don't worry, i'll take care of the kids"

This gave me a good laugh.

If only the poor sap knew Chad's last name.

[–]RedPillProductions -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

"DO NOT FUCK THIS MAN"

"POST WALL BIG BUCKS WITHOUT THE FUCKS"

FTFY

[–]badnews6string 18 points19 points  (0 children)

The more I hang out here, the more I know about myself, how I behave, and how I react to others. Amazingly enough, I seem to have been red pill in every relationship I have had. I did not realize that when I walked away from every girl who has ever tried to bend me to her will, I was not walking into "you are going to be lonely your whole life", I was walking away from a VERY possible lifetime of manipulation and abuse.

edit: VERY

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This, absolutely this.

Learning about and becoming more masculine has been a breath of fresh air for me - it feels right. I hate using phrasing like, "I truly found myself", but I am a much happier, much more effective person now than in the past. Masculinity is great, and I'm sad I wasted almost 30 years not truly having a good grasp on it.

I will thank the girl who broke me so hard I came upon PUA and the manosphere until the day I die.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 93 points94 points  (1 child)

It's basically three things.

First it is the oldest trick in the book to discredit the messenger in order to distract from and discredit the message and sometimes even to create a bogeyman. By shaming us as neckbeards, loosers, virgins, misogynists, you name it, they create a picture in the head of people before they get a chance to form an opinion based on the content served here.

If you need an example how well this works, then picture a terrorist in your head. Now tell me what he looks like. Does he look like a ginger member of the IRA? Does he look like a Basque from the ETA? Does he look like a German from the RAF? Does he look like Timothy McVeigh? Is it maybe even a woman? Probably not. I bet he's got a beard.

Secondly it's the application of the japanese proverb "The nail that sticks out gets hammered." We've got the nerve to act contra popular consent. We deny to let ourself be manipulated anymore. We refuse to play the game by the rules which we never set up and agreed to in the first place, because the price offered just doesn't appeal to us any more.

And lastly we hold up a mirror to them. It can't be true that in the end it indeed is myself who is able to make change to my life to the better. It must not be, that I can't blame all the strawmen I've put up for my personal misery.

I am fat because genetics and thyriod and not because I am a lazy fuck whose nutrition consists of Cheetos flushed down with a bucket of Mountain Dew. I am unhappy because society denies me my happiness, and not because I can't be bothered to make a step out of my comfort zone. I don't get what my neighbour has, because of his priveleges and not because I spend my time on tumblr or in the World of Warcraft, while I could have used that time to educate myself and maybe build a career. I do net get laid because I wasn't nice enough and because of Chad McCocky, who finally fucked her brains out, and not because I am a pathetic piece of wobbly meat which stinks, has got no sense for fashion and lacks confidence. I lack confidence because of society and not because I actually don't have just anything I could be confident about.

And finally it just cannot be true that these misogynistic shitlords get all these things just by tweaking their lifes. They must be loudmouthed pathetic neckbearded loosers.

[–]EntFarm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"I lack confidence because of society". I don't understand the grammar of the rest of that sentence.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 11 points12 points  (1 child)

My sex life is a thousand times better since finding the red pill. I get blow jobs on command and my wife is so much more turned on by me now that her sex life is a thousand times better.

Feminism is a plague and the red pill is the cure.

[–]suloco 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Discovering TRP has in all seriousness been the most important moment of my adult life.

There is no way I can ever express the gratitude for what you guys started here.

Shit, I'm genuinely getting emotional, gotta go!

[–]Namaste1994 67 points68 points  (1 child)

Male, 20, TRP has done more for me in the last 3 months of reading than the last 11 months i spent moping and complaining over why i lost my gf (oneits to the max). I am more confident and i honestly dont really give a fuck what they think of me anymore and people(particularly girls) have picked up on that. I owe more than i can give to TRP. steps off soapbox

[–]mister_barfly75 29 points30 points  (2 children)

joining the red pill did not start the insults, instead the insults started the red pill.

The SJWs of the world don't get this, though. I was answering a thread in AskReddit a couple of weeks ago (the thread was asking parents why they didn't have anything to do with their kids) and my response didn't exactly paint my ex-wife in a positive light. The mere fact that I had dared suggest that a woman might not be a special snowflake prompted some white knight to go through my post history and find out that I was TRP.

Obviously, the only natural conclusion he came to after that was that my marriage crumbled because I was your average TRP douche and she obviously deserved better and not that a failed marriage to a bitch while being a completely beta faggot had helped put me on the path here to try and find a better way of conducting myself and making sure that it didn't happen to me again.

Fuck 'em. They can think and squawk all they want, it won't affect the life I'm living or stop me from striving to improve myself and achieve my goals.

The womyn don't like the idea that they've finally been figured out and getting resistance, the guys are either hampered by crab-bucket mentality or hoping that being Captain Save-a-ho will score them some poon which is just as manipulative as they claim our strategies are.

[–]coffee_and_lumber 10 points11 points  (1 child)

The womyn don't like the idea that they've finally been figured out and getting resistance

The more of us there are, the more we are going to see the cognitive dissonance of a feminist population who wants to have their cake and eat it too. I don't think many of us have any problem whatsoever with female equality on all fronts. The kicker comes when they no longer get to have the benefit of that equality and our chivalry, money, effort, pedastalization, etc.

[–]mister_barfly75 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I don't think many of us have any problem whatsoever with female equality on all fronts.

Absolutely. I don't care what gender, colour, religion, whatever you belong to, if you do a decent job then you deserve a decent wage. What I do care about is girls sat at a register all day complaining that they're not getting paid the same as a guy slogging his guts out hauling shit around in the warehouse, or someone getting a position over someone with more aptitude or experience simply to tick a box on the latest diversity quota.

We've spent decades being brow-beaten and shamed simply for having a penis, and told that if we were just a little more caring, or effeminate, if we'd just relinquish the reins of our own lives and let the smarter gender take control for it for us then we'd get the Hollywood RomCom ending and be happy with the woman of our dreams for the rest of our lives.

TRP is proof that guys have been thought this, seen through this, and we now know that the walk down the aisle doesn't guarantee the Happy Ever After we'd been promised, that being a doormat means nothing other than you're something for someone else to walk on and scrape the shit from their shoes.

As for cake and eat it too, damn right. And that's why they hate us on TRP. They want their BBs that are easily controllable and so grateful to be given a half-hearted handjob every six months but will pay out for everything they want, but at the same time they want the AFs that will give them the fucking they want.

Why not fuck your husband? Well, if you just give the horse a carrot instead of dangling it in front of them, would they be so easily lead?

So that brings things to us. TRP are the former betas who have been shat on too many times and decided that enough's enough. Which irks them for two reasons: (1) they can't differentiate between the natural Alphas and the ones that have taught themselves to be Alpha and so (2) that means that we represent a level of commitment to self-improvement that they simply can't fathom.

Betas expect sex handed to them simply for being a nice guy. Women want power and control simply because they've got a cunt. They want things handed to them, and if they play by the rules they expect it will be given to them. We, however, realise that that's not the case. You want something, you work for it. If you don't get it, then YOU fucked up and you better think fucking hard about what you need to change in order to get it. TRP isn't some hugbox or an echo chamber, it's a bunch of guys telling each other to man the fuck up, take responsibility for themselves and their actions and figure out a better way of achieving their goals. The white knights don't like it because it goes against their crab-bucket mentality, the women don't like it because they don't like knowing that we've figured that we can do just fucking fine without getting divorce raped by some post wall whore. Which explains the rise of MGTOW and the Japanese "Herbivore men."

At some point standing up for yourself became the sign of being a douchebag. Fine, I'm a douchebag. You can call me all the names you want, I'm sure I'll be weeping myself to sleep while I'm exploring the world, enjoying my life and having the regular sex I mistakenly thought I was entitled to simply because some bitch had my ring on her finger.

[–]reptiliansentinel 53 points54 points  (6 children)

This sub is full of men who fix problems. Women "address" problems, but rarely fix them. Your girl would rather you commiserate through her personal pain with her than solve it for her. When redpillers saw that we weren't having the kind of success in love and sex that we wanted, we sought to fix these issues. Instead of complaining on tumblr that we just didn't get enough love or respect, we took those things.

[–]coffee_and_lumber 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Great point. This makes me wonder if a significant percentage of guys who are attracted to this place have hobbies involving building/fixing/customizing things.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This sub probably has some subscribers who hold somewhat lofty positions of status in the workforce and society. It'd be incredible to met other RedPillers someday, but I'm assuming most here want to remain anonymous, for obvious reasons.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like to build, fix, and customize. It's all part of the mentality behind self-reliance and self-worth.

I am getting ready to build a table: why? Why not. Building things is fun and teaches the finer points of attention to detail and finishing a project that turned raw material into a product is satisfying. It's satisfying because I did it. My self reliance just increased my self worth.

I'm worthy because I do worthy things. I do those worthy things because I rely on myself first and others second.

[–]Ratcheta 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I hate women about as much as I hate everyone else. Which is to say, not that much to start until proven otherwise. I merely understand that there are differences between the way the genders think and feel. This therefore affects the way I will interact as such. Especially given the fact that if it is an attractive women, I'll likely desire intercourse with them eventually.

If that makes me wrong in the eyes of people who I'm otherwise not associated with and could give two fucks about, then being right is just not for me. The first 18 years of my life have proved that being 'right' in society's view got me nothing. Being 'wrong' so far has.

Some loneliness is necessary to maintain sanity in this sort of world.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 13 points14 points  (0 children)

even the feminists and social justice warriors of the world denouncing sex as that important have made our manhoods (and therefore rights to have or speak an opinion at all) entirely dependent on our access to sex. Why would being a virgin or a neckbeard matter, unless sex truly does matter to our manhoods?

The grand irony is how feminists get upset by things like saying a guy "throws like a girl" is a slight against girls and women, as if being a girl is a pejorative. Yet they turn around and do the same exact thing when it comes to men and their ability to get sex, that if a man can't get laid then it's because of or makes him a loser. Says a lot about their thought process, doesn't it?

Another facet to this irony is that it confirms the crux of the lock and key analogy regarding sluts vs studs.

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[–]Philhelm 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I'm married and have children, and have probably had sex with 60+ women, most of which were one night stands or brief flings. At the age of 34 years, I now find myself adrift, but with the desire for new frontiers.

I don't view The Red Pill so much as a strategy for getting laid, but rather guidelines for becoming the men that we were meant to be in a culture that has systematically attempted to break men down. The Red Pill has helped inspire me to turn the dissatisfaction in my life into goals of self-improvement, so I don't spend the remainder of my life adrift.

Don't count me out just yet; it's time for a comeback!

[–]FattestRabbit 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don't view The Red Pill so much as a strategy for getting laid, but rather guidelines for becoming the men that we were meant to be in a culture that has systematically attempted to break men down.

I think you're spot on; RP is about being the best version of yourself. To do that, you have to examine the limitations society artificially places on you (spend money on this, look like that, talk like this, don't do that) so that you can remove them and grow the way you're meant to. A side-effect of that is having an easier time getting laid.

A lot of the 'sexual strategy' that gets incorporated is really about taking 'the best you' and projecting it in an optimal way (having game). That part is the icing on the cake that is 'becoming the best you' in the first place (in my opinion).

Cheers man, and good luck.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Yeah I came from a similar POV. Yeah sure I've had a few dry spells over the years, but for the most part I've extremely successful sexually since losing my virginity at age 15, yet that did not insulate me from the pratfalls that come with the crime of being male in western civilization. Previous to finding this place, I was flying through life with a self enforced blindness that comes with false doctrine. I possessed the wisdom, but bought into the narrative that suppressed it. It took crisis for me to achieve the breakthrough moment. I have been lied to. I have been misled. Society at large does not advocate justice for me as a man. I am nothing more than disposable fodder, unworthy of rights and basic human dignity.

The existence of TRP proves that seeking actual truth and rationality necessary for male happiness has become a transcendent pursuit in the profound.

We've eclipsed ordinary awakening. This decline is so fucking fubared that if you don't continuously beg for sex during romantic escalation you will be labeled a rapist and your life permanently destroyed. This shit is is scream out loud batshit nuts and is actually being codified into law. Worse yet, its just the tip of the fucking iceberg. The fact that people don't routinely reject such absurdity is far beyond outrageous. We here at TRP serve as one of the few oasis of truth in this landscape of mass hysteria and insanity - all while being lampooned and strawmanned. When you process the entirety of it, its a mindfuck. The world is a fucked up place.

Once an individual breaks free from the delusion of the New Intersectional MoralityTM they begin to see it for what it is - society bending to the will of narcissists, borderline personality deficients and the emotionally arrested who have bizarrely blamed masculinity everywhere for their personal failings and mental illness.

TRP is an open rejection of original male sin. Its proper self valuation. Its rationality. Its the pursuit of mental serenity.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 5 points6 points  (4 children)

A year ago when I first started posting on Reddit I wrote about my experiences on the Ok Cupid dating site and posted it to the OKC subreddit.

http://np.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1qg2q3/honest_redpill_assesment_of_ok_cupid/

I was immediately shouted down by fat social justice warriors who were offended. Was my experience helpful? Was my writing humorus? Was my analysis incorrect?

It didnt matter. The fat she Beasts were mad. They were mad and they were going to stampede around being mad and no one was going to hear my voice.

Thats when it dawned on me that you cant post realist dating advice on reddit because the offended women will down vote it to hell. All that remains is the politicaly correct just be yourself and pamper her advice.

Eventually I found a receptive audience in the Red Pill and its been a gay old time ever since.

[–]trpill 0 points1 point  (3 children)

After I read your story of how you became an endorsed contributor I laughed my ass off. You're a really great satirical writer...how did you learn to write like that?

Part of me wants to see what you wrote on your okc profile because it would have been hilarious.

I also wanna see what the ridiculously uptight okc subreddit people did when you submitted that. I couldn't find your post for the okc subreddit in your history so if you have it somewhere I can use a few laughs

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Having successfully fucked a couple of people from OK Cupid I feel I am officialy qualified to give dating advice, however before we go any further it is important that we first have an accurate understanding of what OkCupid is

Ok Cupid: Is a rock bottom wholesaler of penis. Heterosexual males are in abundant supply and the average fuckable girl (girl you can stick your dick into without cringing) gets five to 8 messages a day.

In order to have sex with OK Cupiders you basically have to put your penis on sale. Which is to say offer yourself to girls lower than you on the totem pole. This however only works if there is someone lower than you on the totem pole. If you are already kinda low your not going to have many options. Here are some options to consider

  • Less attractive girls: If your a seven or an eight you can realistically fuck fives to sixes on Ok Cupid. These girls will be ecstatic that a hot guy is messaging them and will have no problem having a one night stand with a hot guy.

  • Fat Girls: Same as the above with the added bonus that they know how to eat and can make you a good breakfast the morning after. The only downside is that while darkness makes an ugly girl less noticeably ugly you will always know how fat a fat girl is.

  • Low Income Girls: Unlike your entitled middle class ass, her mother works two jobs and her father died in a gang war. This girl will be legitimately thrilled when you take her to a moderately fancy restaurant: $15 because no one in her social circle has that kind of money. Your 2005 car will be impressive compared to her 1990 car etc. These girls will be legitimately impressed by you spending moderate amounts of money because her standard of living is so low. Upside: her low income status in no way makes her less physically attractive.

  • Minorities: Now I personally find Black and Hispanic women very attractive. However many white men do not. What this means is there is a lower supply of white men willing to fuck Blacks and Hispanics, thus greatly increasing your value to these populations. If any of this is offensive to you, then chances are you dont understand economics. But what if im a minority male what do I do? Bro I don't know iv never tried it. Watch out for that stop and frisk.

  • Single Moms: There are a bunch of hot single moms out there wanting sex and that baby is a huge vag block for them. Dudes are more hesitant about single moms so if your not then your in luck. Downside: Lets be honest its not as tight.

  • Older women: This women is in desperate need of a husband and her ovaries are slowly drying up. However if you are in your early twenties chances are you are in better shape than anyone in her peer group. So maybe she will let you fuck her.

  • Transvestites: There are alot of trannys on OK Cupid. I dont think there is a very high demand so I guess this could be that golden opportunity you'v been waiting for.

  • Gay Men: Eventually a Gay dude is going to hit you up on Ok Cupid. Now if you are completely heterosexual you can just tell him you don't like the Pee Pees and wish him good luck on his penal scavenger hunt. If not I guess you can enjoy the female privilege of having people promptly respond to your texts, going to a fun exciting new restaurant, having that shit paid for and then having someone actively entertain you during a date. Instead of the usual where you are doing all the work while fucking Samantha checks her fucking phone for the 9th time while you entertain her. Iv never dated a man before but it sounds very good in theory except for the fact that he is a man with a penis.

Allright that about covers it. I hope you enjoyed this. I hope I didnt offend any one as this is an honest assessment of the modern dating situation. If you are in fact offended stop reading Male dating advice you are a woman.

[–]trpill 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Thanks, I have read the actual text about okc you wrote

what I wanted to see was the actual post you submitted to the okc subreddit to have some laughs/read all the butthurt from the white knights and feminist on that subreddit

[–]redarkane 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I've been in three relationships that have spanned over 5 years of my life.

I ain't no Virgin.

I just got tired of getting cheated on by women and begin seeing common characteristics between all of them.

[–]propagandhi45 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Just stup daring sluts in the firat place lol

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Get ready for another 1,000 subscribers.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 14 points15 points  (0 children)

We are attacked because we are a threat. Because sex is a threat. Because the alpha guy is a threat. Because women's sexual desire is a threat.

And women attack threats. Especially if she can perceive or make it a low SMV threat. You virgin neckbeards.

Sex is a direct threat to every controlling woman with a BB man who must be told that he doesn't have better options.

Sex is a direct threat to every sexless marriage. In fact it is sexless because there is no sexual threat. And we bringing the threat back (dread game, self improvement).

Sex is threatening sexual competition. The worse a man believes his options are, the easier every woman has it. If all women and all men felt how awesome men really are, the whole SMV scale would tip heavily in our favour. Many more people would have much better sex, but it would be harder to lock down them beta bucks.

TL;DR Sex is a threat, attack the neckbeards!

[–]djvita 12 points13 points  (4 children)

I would wager to say this sub has the highest concentration of attractive men on reddit. We tell each other to lift, groom, have ambition, approach a lot, have game etc.

[–]dropit_reborn 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Bzzzt! Wrong answer.

Maybe that's a little harsh. But the subreddit's main goal should not be counting attractive men in its membership---you can set up a frat for that---but rather to improve the attractiveness of its members over time, from any level.

[–]LivingUnplugged -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

I was thinking we should start a TRP dating site for women - a place where they could finally find real men.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

About the only thing that would come out of such a thing is doxxing for the men stupid enough to sign up for it. TRP is social ebola: the very idea of "sexual strategy" is repulsive to most people, let alone everything else that's discussed here. Needing to discuss sexual strategy out loud automatically disqualifies you from being a "real man" in the eyes of most people and in fact firmly places you in their "creepy rapist" category besides.

Recommended reading: the Powertalk piece on the sidebar, followed by I'm addicted to straight talk.

[–]LivingUnplugged 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is one of the most powerful posts I've read thus far. And it's in the sidebar... Take home point? READ THE SIDEBAR.

My bad. Thank you. Moving on.

[–]rossiFan 26 points27 points  (4 children)

Joe Rogan said it best: "There's a lot of bitches in this world, and most of them are men".

TRP is the anti-manbitch. That's all.

[–]coffee_and_lumber 8 points9 points  (3 children)

You can be inspired by nothing but the JRE, never hear about TRP, and make massive headway. Bless that man.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I really hope that Joe Rogan comes across TheRedPill someday. Not that he exactly needs it, but I'd like to hear his thoughts on it.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Considering TRP is 100% in his target demographic, and we've got a goodly number of people here, there's a good chance he's aware of this place.

[–]the-Real_Slim-Shady 22 points23 points  (2 children)

I'm a man that was raised by my mother. My father, while an exceptional provider, was and still is never around (as he works abroad). How can a woman teach me how to be a man?

This is why I am here. TRP has helped me tremendously. It has helped me become a better person: a better lover, a better student, a better employee, and a better son.

To the detractors I would like to say that the ideas expressed here are merely a framework. Most of the anecdotes I've read here I understand to be hyperbole. I won't say that the premises expressed here are "true", just that they reinforce what I've experienced to be true.

PS My mother is as strong as they come. Although she could not equip me with the tools to be a man (the male perspective), she has done the best she can in a less-than-ideal situation, and I love her for it.

[–]LivingUnplugged 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How can a woman teach me how to be a man?

Exactly. This is like the dawn of a new brotherhood of men. All committed to the successful reeducation as to what constitutes being a man.

[–]coffee_and_lumber 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, we cannot listen to women's opinions on what makes us better men. This is why it is so important to form relationships with actual other men who will challenge and support us. Any man who doesn't have his "boys" needs to think about finding some. If not, or if you're more a lone wolf type, then choose a role model to aspire to and a nemesis to compete with (even if they don't know about it).

[–]mastapetz 20 points21 points  (7 children)

Don't hate me for this, but I can tell you why a lot of people on reddit snarl at the mention of this sub.

There is a vocal minority, where this insult fits. While you barely will see a post of them in here, they will preach red pill sermons in some threads around reddit, often in a condescending tone sounding like frustrated sexless neckbeards. I am quite sure some of you found some of those cringe worthy answers of "red pillers" that just seem to scream "hate me and hate everyone that is in the same sub as me"

I mostly lurk here, there sometimes are really really good threads, that helped me understand the world a bit better and recognise hamstring for what it is and also got somehow to realises when I am shit tested and when not. Also some of the pages and blogs I got to know from here helped me through difficult times.

Just, I am right now at a point where red pill can't help me, a point where I need to get out before any of the good tipps you read here can be used. I am not at fuck all, I am at "I don't even care about women". Honestly I don't even know how I got to this point.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 15 points16 points  (5 children)

If you don't see them post here, but act like retards everywhere else... Maybe they're not from here but are trying to spread a different image of us?

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[–]1feminazis_stalk_me 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is why you need a separate account for TRP. My main account was banned from several subs for just being associated with TRP. The same thing happened - my voice wasn't going along with the rest of the echo chamber and I was outed when they went through my post history.

"We got a Terper! Downvote this misogynistic scum bag!" Was the alarm cry, and so I had to make this account. Because feminazis were stalking me from sub to sub. It's ridiculous - who the fuck does that? It's like our posts are all automatically invalidated because we post on TRP. USE AN ALTERNATE ACCOUNT WHEN POSTING ON TRP!

[–]bunnylajoya8 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Feminists get annoyed/call misogyny when men here talk about about plates/ONS/casual sex, because they like to remove agency/responsibility from women. A grown woman should know that if she gives it up on the first date/meeting that a man is not going to want that in an LTR. If a woman doesn't want to be dumped early, she should keep her legs closed. All I see on TRP is discussions of injustice, confirmation of the importance of TRP in men's lives, the sharing of experiences & everything else that is conducive to healthy discussion. I don't see misogyny apart from new members who are still struggling with the truth, I don't believe manipulation is part of TRP at all.

Edit: accidentally pressed enter, can't remember my conclusion, but I think what I've said still stands. Also, very interesting post OP :)

[–]thenarrrowpath 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The ironic part of the name calling is that it ends up attracting the majority of its subscribers purely by curiosity. Then once its actual read everyone realizes the rest of reddit hasn't even read this sub.

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I think it's pretty safe to say that most women don't really understand to what degree sex matters in the average man's life.

I think it's safe to say they're aware of it, even if they don't understand it.

One of the first girls I dated around 15 years ago when I was full blown doormat nice guy, said to me flat out when I was trying to explain that I could be macho assertive and sexy:

"We need guys like you to stay the way you are."

It isn't just that people think Red Pill is offensive. It goes entirely against the economics of a society where men are expected to be humbled providers. If birth rates plummet in a nation where men start to learn that it's not just ok, but preferable to stay unmarried with no children, then it's that society's death knell.

[–]SwissPablo 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Men trying to understand the dynamics of dating and relationships is, to women, men trying to game the system. That's why we're all uggo neckbeards.

[–]coffee_and_lumber 6 points7 points  (1 child)

This has occurred to me as well. I think that it's better for them if the guy came out of the womb masculine and dominant as fuck. It has to be natural and elemental. This is partly why it's important to not let others see the hard work you're doing, just the result. It should look effortless.

I think it's not stated clearly enough that self-directed, systematic, real change and improvement is a superpower particularly inherent in men. The hardest part is overcoming ego to admit honestly what my weaknesses really are and embracing that reality while patiently changing it.

If you have that firestorm of ambition in your belly on full blast, everything else follows from that. It doesn't matter if you find it at 5 years old or 50.

[–]rpmanwithaquestion 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Before coming here for the first time I have to admit Reddit already had and has a well defined prejudice over TRP which somehow leaked into my consciousness and I felt I had no reason to be here. Until one day I decided to actually see for myself what was behind all of this.

The rest you guys already know, the knowledge hits you like a train.

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I came across this sub last year and scanned over it; it seemed almost circle jerk on the surface.

Then I read The Married Man Sex Life Primer and found language similarities to what I had seen here.

Then I looked up the red pill definition and realized I needed this place 12 years ago.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (13 children)

They've taken to calling it a cult recently after discovering we really don't give an iota of a fuck for their opinions.

[–]Thrug 23 points24 points  (2 children)

One of the key characteristics of a cult is control of the members. You aren't allowed to disagree with the leader / authority, and if you do then you are expelled.

I don't know how many folks get banned from this sub, but I do see a lot of open debate, which is the antithesis of a cult.

Case in point: I think a lot of TRP nomenclature is stupid, misleading and damaging to the core message (which, as OP suggests, is really important for men these days). I bet that I'm not only allowed to say this, but that others might agree or disagree in open debate.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 40 points41 points  (0 children)

The nomenclature is purposefully over the top and offensive. Believe it or not, it actually has a side effect of weeding out trolls, because their "triggers" make it so they can't help but post some SJW reply to something that hurts their fee-fees.

But the spirit behind our (what outsiders call) "offensive" language and tone is simple: we are men, and we will speak in a manner that we like among fellow men.

TRP is the men's locker room where no fucks are given about feminine or politically correct fee-fees.

TRP is that seedy, smoky room on the second floor of a seedy bar, with a bunch of men sitting around a poker table behind closed doors, smoking cigars, sipping whiskey, and saying what we want, and how we want to say it, about whatever the fuck we want to talk about. And yes, that includes talking about women, and no, what we have to say isn't always sunshine and flowers. We don't care what outsiders think because outsiders are not a part of the club. They don't have a seat at the table.

[–]RPthrowaway123 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This place has made my life immeasurably better. Love you guys. That is all!

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[–]lordrand11 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Each time I find myself in the depths of despair looking for that sign of hope that life isn't as bad as it seems, a post like this shows up leading me ever more towards the red pill process of thought. Whether it be by divine influence or karmic balance, truly do I appreciate the words that seemingly match my experiences at each present moment they are gleaned.

I've found myself walking the halls of a dark corridor running through the constance that was my life and how I found myself in my current situation.

As one might expect, I followed what seemed to be the tempered logic of my being in the wrong at each moment that caused the dividing rift in them. It wasn't until a coworker of mine named this sub reddit off to me and gave me some keen insight on the ideals of TRP.

To add to the current post, the women I've been with all want one thing (including their own subordinates, i.e white knights) or desire said one thing: control. I find that entire process to be detrimental to the conscript of equality they so desperately cling to.

If ones idea of equality is to shit on the person next to him than there is none.

Misandrists, keep attacking you're only helping to drive the point that's made within this sub reddit further as well as label yourselves hypocrite.

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Hi! I am new here, and I am tearing up right now. (: My personal success did not involve The Red Pill but now that I am here, I will happily stay and see what's offered. It's a process and I am not done!

[–]swoleo_dicaprio 20 points21 points  (9 children)

I didn't know the word "incel" until I started reading this sub, which alienated me; I lost my virginity at 16 and have been in the zone for 14 years. I've had great LTRs and ONSs and every kind of fling in between. I get the sense there are plenty of guys like me here: they have success, but they're still beleaguered by the flashes of inhumanity in the margins of their female relationships. It's those glimpses that hint at a deeper truth about the real power dynamics that underlie the romantic fairy tales. If you're at all interested in economies of power, it's because you're the type of guy who wants to get ahead and knows there's no rules. Lots of people here have observed TRP thinking/philosophy are abstractly applicable to business, friendship, and other competitive arenas where the ends justify the means.

Edit: diction. Tl;dr, let them call us neckbeards, be too busy winning at life

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Indeed, I was much like you, and after leaving a 3-year relationship I saw how she changed and how she acted, and I saw my efforts failing. At the time I didn't know what I was doing was doubling down on my beta tendencies.

I had always had a certain level of luck with women- but it was just that: Luck. Now we have real theories on why and how things work.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I was much the same way; I never really had a problem getting women, my problem was in keeping them around. After discovering TRP, it all clicked. Over time with women, as I would become comfortable with them, I'd go from aloof dickhead to "caring boyfriend " type. Now I know better.

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And this comment is a perfect and complete example of troll who needs to fuck off.

[–]coffee_and_lumber 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah, I've had no problems getting laid in my life and moving a little further and faster than some of my peers. But looking back at myself through the years, I was insufferably blue pill. A few alpha traits that brought women close to me, but so much beta overall, they all eventually fled in disgust. Good for them too. I wouldn't want to spend a life with the guy I used to be either.

I look at where I am now and it's incredible and inspiring to realize that any man can systematically and methodically change the very essence of what he is if he's willing to 1) Be Honest and 2) Do The Work.

[–]bigcitytruth 1 point2 points  (1 child)

For the successful man, TRP is great because it shed light on things we already had hunches about, clarified things we still didn't understand, and helped us gain the vision to set goals to smooth out any remaining rough edges.

[–]DoctorWelch 0 points0 points [recovered]

I'm in the same camp. I've basically been some version of red pill my whole life without really knowing it. There was one main relationship that fell apart and led me here, and when I look back on it I realize there was so much that I did right and only small missteps that made me falter.

However, the curtain being lifted after finding this place arevealing the true reality being within. Now I can clearly see where and why i went wrong along the way and it has been a great change in only a few months.

[–]truchisoft 20 points21 points  (4 children)

Ever since taking the red pill I have dated girls that:
* Are prettier than any I've dated before
* Treat me like someone they look up to, all the time
* Are more receptive to my needs
* Lust after me all the time
* Have sex with me on almost every of my whims, and enjoy it
* Pay half of every expense (even on the first date!)
* Don't try to change me at all

[–]1FunAndFreedom 8 points9 points  (1 child)

And that's the important fact, The Red Pill is testable. We can all attest to it working.

Now if people want to heckle from distant subforums I can't stop them. I just smile and tell them to enjoy their wonderful and fulfilling lives. But the irony is that in the real world, the "betas" are the ones they call creepy and target with insults.

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Even many who absolutely despise TRP cannot deny that it works. I read about that in many other subreddit posts.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Quite.

Once you've actually truly made the change to your personality and outlook (i.e. you are abundant and have at least something of a frame), and see how your interactions with women change - there's no going back.

I remember in my bluepill days going without sex or even any sort of romantic contact for months or even over a year. I remember whining to a female friend (that I fell in love with) that I was so lonely and why couldn't I just find someone who cared about me.

Now, I can't even fathom being truly alone. Even if literally every girl I knew stopped responding to my texts tomorrow (and simply put, they will not), I could have a whole crop of new ones in less than a month of actual effort.

There's no keeping that sort of thing under wraps from everyone.

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I'd like to highlight a couple of your points:

  • Treat me like someone they look up to, all the time
  • Are more receptive to my needs

Lots of guys will gloss over these points and focus on the sexual ones, but these two are great LTR qualities to seek if you're a guy in the market for one.

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They say that we're wrong in our assessments, and then revoke our manhoods by commenting on our inability to get sex.

I would like to say that it's a strategy beta employs. When in competition with a male of higher value, they discredit him as a sexual being in order to win the female's attention. No need to remind anybody, even out of the sub, that betas are those who can't get laid.

So actually, by using this very argument, they are basically saying they are the ones that can't get laid.

[–]coffee_and_lumber 7 points8 points  (0 children)

In general, women don't know what it takes to be a man, so we in the context of this subreddit and movement don't have to listen to their opinions. Weak-willed, feminized men obviously don't have a clue either so they too can be ignored (and fwiw, derided and shamed as well). I refuse to see any of that as bigoted. When I was in basic training, we were not to speak casually to our instructors. Ask questions? Sure, but our unsolicited opinions were pretty much universally ignored, even punished. Why? Because we knew nothing about being soldiers yet. We had nothing inside of us in the context of the military to have a frame of reference yet. It was not uncommon to feel ire at your instructor for them "picking" on you, but in no way were they wrong for doing so.

At nearly 40, I look back and see for sure that 25-year-old me would have been horrified that I'm here now. And young me would be absolutely wrong. I'll certainly not be shamed by some college sophomore with an anonymous Reddit account into getting into their frame. All we are selling here is male freedom and enlightenment as intended by nature, nothing more. No new age ideas, nothing invented or idealized. Simply what resides inside each of us from the get go. Generations of heavy-handed feminism, single mothers and feminine ideals in art and media have put layers of restrictions on essential, healthy, beautiful maleness before it has a chance to mature.

Women don't mean to do that, they've simply thrown out the baby with the bathwater in an attempt to reinforce traits in us they say they want, rather than objectively recognizing what we are supposed to be. An example: When I go to the dog park and the dogs are all play fighting with each other to decide who is in charge, often quite exuberantly and violently, it's always the female owners who step in, wide-eyed, and break it up before the dogs get a chance to sort out their hierarchy. They mean well. After all, they are protecting their dog from getting hurt! And that definitely will protect the animal. However, you are eliminating an essential social experience for that dog by protecting/controlling it.

Good post. As always when critique arises about us, I expect we'll see a spike in subscriptions (there were over 20 in the time it took me to write this) when people with actual reading comprehension skills come here and take a good, measured look around.

[–]abcd_z 7 points8 points  (0 children)

My favorite comment that addresses the logical paradox involved in shaming red pillers would have to be this one:

Yep, we are simultaneously creepy neckbeard losers who can't get laid and dangerous Svengali manipulators who lure defenseless women into bed with our rapey psychology techniques.

I just hope that whole revolution thing happens soon. The way I simultaneously get laid and don't get laid is tearing a hole in my local space-time continuum.

[–]ChristianGraysBoss 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm a handsome, wealthy lawyer. I'm incredibly successful with women now after many years of acting like a pussy post-college.

My discovery of TRP resulted from reading anti-leftist websites. My hope is that TRP will turn into a breeding ground for a cultural revolution of sorts. Nerds, neckbeards, jocks, lawyers, etc. pushing back against cultural decay as one force.

[–]NickCiufi 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I'm in a happily-monogamous marriage where sex is frequent. I also have no hairs on my neck. Where is your social justice now?!

[–]FatherDerp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wholeheartedly agree with what's being said here and I'd like to add a little bit from my perspective.

I've heard among the circles of women, their opinions of men and their attitude towards sex. It's ridiculous, albeit true in some cases.

Men only care about sex

Sex to men is just a game

Sex is all physical for a man and there's no emotion whatsoever

are just a few of the commonalities between opinions.

While this is a reality for some men, it's not a reality for those who are "sexless" or even without inter-gender contact.

I myself quite value the emotional side of sex and think it should play a part into sex as it makes it more enjoyable when you get the connection with your partner. Do I think it's necessary to enjoy sex? No.

And this seems to be the common consensus among my peers. I see it day in and day out where my friends complain that a girl they're seeing doesn't treat their needs with as much importance or value as they would like. Men have needs and it's not all about sex.

Hopefully this whole threat can get stickied because I think it's very important for outsiders to realize that we're not a bunch of whoremongerers. We just want some equal and fair attention and to stop being treated like we're pathetic, lowly and worth nothing (sound familiar?).

[–]Revel4ti0n 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am very surprised to read a Post like this. I don't want to know the number of suizides this subreddit prevented... Same as the Numbers of families saved... And so on. It's the only place in the entire internet where my soul gets happy and I feel understood and my feelings as a man are addressed in the wright place. Thanks to all great posts and discussions, and keep it up!

The part of reddit where they discuss seduction could be questioned, but that's an other topic.

[–]Wanz75 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When you are the kind of guy who gets angry at a women for not wanting to have sex with you then you automatically become a problem in her life. It is a problem she has had to deal with since she was too young to handle it. You are an uninvited pest in her life. She can try to squash you, shoo you out the window, poison you etc... she has tried every solution in the past and it hasn't always gone well. You may be a good guy but, through your neediness, she had ceased to see you as a man and just resents you for being a pest. Fear is lock and laughter is the key.

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It's funny how the supposedly most accepting people are the least. My brother posted his profile to the bastion of tolerance and acceptance known as the OKC subreddit, asking for their advice on what to change.

He was immediately shamed by the women there for his height, one of whom was easily over 200lbs. He pointed out that while he couldn't change his height, she could easily change her weight, making her comments somewhat hypocritical.

He was immediately banned for "shaming" other users. His only real violation that differed from hers was having a penis. This shit is what created TRP and the reason we both started lurking here. I honestly find this place cathartic and can't wait to start posting once I've been here long enough.

[–]Endorsed ContributorDoxasticPoo 7 points8 points  (1 child)

And none of us found compassion, belonging, or empathy in the very system that gave us this shared experience.

Very important line here. As a man, you are alone. And that seems really scary... but at least we're all alone together. Once you get over that part, things get much easier.

[–]2IVIaskerade 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As a man, you are alone.

This is more than just "lel no friends to help you". When a man is down, he is down alone, but when he succeeds, he is also alone. That is one of our greatests strengths - the fruits of our labour go to us, and we do with them as we see fit. Our hard-won victories are for nobody else to savour.

The task is harder, but the rewards are greater. I wouldn't have it any other way.

[–]ButtPuppett 8 points8 points [recovered]

We're fathers, firefighters, pilots, drivers, teachers, engineers, students, bankers, and entrepreneurs who are tall, skinny, fit, fat, good-looking, ugly, old, young, happy, angry, sad, depressed, and everything in between.

You're gilded for this.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you.

[–]thepillwastaken 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are a good man, ButtPuppett.

[–]goemon45 4 points5 points  (2 children)

How is this place the most bigoted when places like r/greatapes exsist.

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It isn't a logical analysis. Don't read anything into the epithet that is used - loser, bigot, neckbeard, sexist, cultist. Because they all mean one thing: "bad". TRP is the worst in their eyes, and they'll use whatever word happens to bubble to the surface to describe it. They're hoping to find a label that sticks because TRP is a threat.

TRP is a threat because it is both effective and growing. Some overgrown kids posting pictures of fried chicken with a racist caption on a message board - not a threat. Lame dudes educating one another about how to put on the clothing of alpha males, about how not to get shunted into a provider role, about how to make changes in their real lives in the real world - very much a threat.

[–]Hoodwink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because female narcissists got jealous of attention being poured on minorities.. and they wanted some of that.

If you ever meet more than one female narcissist, feminism and a whole bunch of ads suddenly retrains your brain into what they're actually telling women and what they're selling to women.

TheRedpill is a direct threat to attention, control, and escape hatches for women.

[–]gigahut 8 points9 points  (0 children)

To me TRP is like the newspaper. I read posts here when I get a few extra minutes during the day and try to apply it later. Usually it works, sometimes it doesn't. The most important thing to me here is learning what I can. The TRP community is collectively enlightening us on what type of behavior desirable in the world and more importantly what type of behaviors make you a target to be used and abused.

Thanks for your post.

[–]sluggy1616 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The beauty of TRP is that the knowledge allows one to properly allocate their resources to get what they want out of life. It has facets that help guide a boy to a rich and fruitful life as a man.
Most boys/younger guys want to engage girls/women. The boys/men want to make the girls/woman happy. As a matter of logic, it would seem that treating a girl/woman well would earn their respect and get them to love you. TRP teaches men that this is NOT what makes women happy. Once a man realizes what makes a woman happy, he can cut to the chase and get it done and save himself a great amount of time and heartache. That's what TRP is to me. Gives you the truth and allows you as a man to allocate your time to things that really matter and will make you a better person.

[–]thenameisadam 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Your points are valid, but they lead to the truth that The Red Pill is a community based around becoming cold and competitive. Whether you choose to consider the validity of that or not, you have to recognize the validity of a lot of people determining that your ideas are a net negative for society.

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you have to recognize the validity of a lot of people determining that your ideas are a net negative for society.

I recognize zero validity in a lot of people determining that my ideas are a net negative for society. Those lots of people's opinions and feelings are of no concern to me, and they oughtn't be of concern of anyone's, except for the purely practical concern of not facing real life consequences for unpopular opinions.

[–]Titan5000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hope this stays stickied forever - the drop ins/new subscribers need to read this before they even move onto the content/sidebar

[–]Porter_West 3 points4 points  (3 children)

The anonymous nature of Internet forums such as TRP makes it easy for people to cherry pick whatever information fits the desired stereotype a person or group of people want to lump everyone associated with that group into. Since we'll never really know that much about each other outside the material and discussion (true/honest or not) presented here, there's no way to back up anything in the 'real' world.

That said, for every little comment or tidbit that comes off as <insert negative adjective> or is taken out of context, I've found so much more useful, objective, and thought provoking information and ideas.

Although I've mainly been a lurker, I encourage people here, especially newbies, to think critically about what you find here. Afterall, isn't that why you (or many of us) are here? Because you are tired of taking everything at face value and wondering why your spoon-fed paradigms have been historically ineffective at helping find whatever it is you're looking for?

[–]2IVIaskerade 4 points5 points  (2 children)

It's not just the anonymous nature. In fact, truly anonymous boards are very difficult to cherry pick because you can't claim that something said on it is reflective of its overall stance without wider context.

On Reddit, popular users are commonly held to speak for the subs in which they are popular, even when this is not the case.

However, by far the biggest factor in these sorts of misquotations is context. When you see a screencap of an imgur post, you can't tell if it's serious, satire, or they were off their meds and drunk when they made it. It's not possible, so when the person showing you it says "look, X thinks Y is true!" the readers take them at their word.

Combine the erasure of context with the hyperbole and highly aggressive nature of man-to-man communication, and it doesn't look good when sat in a sterile vacuum, but in the context of the sub (and with a little knowledge of where the poster was coming from), suddenly not only is the post not as bad, it's making sense. - and that is what the denigrators cannot stand.

[–]Porter_West 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I totally agree with you. The point I was trying to make regarding anonymity is that snap judgments are made about anyone associated with TRP, but they'll never know what people here are like IRL.

To provide some context regarding your point, head on over to the BluePill. When I was initially skeptical of TRP, I wanted to hear the other side of things... but what I found at TBP (for the most part) was exactly what you described and then taken to the next level. When a post there takes something out of context, rather than a rational discussion about it the subject matter the conversations turn towards a circlejerk about what this person and the rest of TRP are like (e.g. neckbeards, psychopaths, virgins, socially awkward) without anything to back it up.

Of course there is going to be stuff here that a lot of people find appalling (that's what down votes are for, right?) but that goes most places on the Internet.

What I find funny is that critics tend to ignore the philosophical tenants of TRP... guess that's their loss though :)

[–]2IVIaskerade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“The other side", as it were, are not interested in debate. They use mockery and repression to convince themselves that they are correct, but, like any good cult, are not interested in interaction with people outside of the hugbox.

A fundamental mistake that new people make is to think that they will provide actual evidence and rational arguments against us, and are then confused when they do not.

You see it across a tight cabal of subreddits - SRS is the hub, but SubredditDrama, TBP, GamerGhazi and so forth are all part of the network.

Hilariously, there are subreddits for debating most of the subs that the SRS lot are opposed to, but the SRS mob don't tend to go there, because they're largely neutral spaces. I always urge new people to go to PurplePillDebate to see what the other side actually thinks, but then, PPD can get a bit flame-war-ish every now and then.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I love it when people who haven't looked at my profile or posting history try to get me "look at what the red pill has turned you into".

Bitch, I was one of the people who helped invent the red pill. I was posting this shit back before there was comment karma or subreddits.

And you know what? It got downvotes, but it didn't get downvoted to oblivion. Because the tinder was there, dry as a bone, and waiting for match. There were plenty of men tired of being shit on for following what everyone (starting with our parents) told us the rules were.

We are the evil you created, the monster you made.

Wanna cry about it, wring your hands, and wait for someone to rescue you? All the white-knights eventually turn into us when they realize that white knighting is good for damsels, but bad for white knights.

So good luck with that.

[–]MightyTaint 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not going to deny that we have had trouble with sex. That is the common thread that brings us here. Using sexlessness to dismiss us is precisely the behavior that brought men here to begin with. We were sexless. Our views and perspectives, our so-called "bigotry" did not lead us to a sexless life so you can conveniently dismiss our views. Instead, our sexless lives lead us to adopt these views as a last ditch effort to reach sexual success. And most of us stayed here when we realized it was effective.

Speak for yourself. The red pill is just that, it's acceptance of the reality of men's role in society, and male/female dynamics. Regardless of whether or not the pill is bitter, that's what it is. A lot of people use the results to try to get sex. Ok. But that doesn't mean that's the point or what drove everyone here. Some people maybe, but that's tangential.

[–]Drenmar 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I really think those 'neckbeard virgin' insults are just a result of psychological projection. The average redditor probably isn't that far off the neckbeard virgin spectrum after all. They get 'triggered' (I hate that word) by us when we openly talk about these issues and then start projecting.

[–]coffee_and_lumber 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So far, everyone I have overheard in public talking about Reddit amongst themselves or has the sticker, or some other Reddit indicator, looks out of shape, awkward and pasty. They're squirrelly, and still into childish things. The pictures from the Reddit meetups for my city are just a cringey disaster. It doesn't have to be that way.

That's cool Reddit, if that's how you want to roll, I'm not necessarily judging that on its own. But you can't assail others who are on the hunt to build some actual man shit and get a little testosterone circulating and achieve some classic masculinity and the benefits and deep personal and social responsibilities that come with it.

(It's been a slow day at work and I've been all over this fantastic thread and the whole thing is inspiring the fuck out of me to get home soon and manhandle my wife, maybe take her somewhere nice, perhaps spend tomorrow afternoon building something useful.)

[–]animalpoo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Love the post, this reminds me of the point brought up in the book "how to win friends and influence people". The idea that everyone has a deep imbedded need to feel appreciated.

With the given environment this is increasingly hard. Appreciation comes from various categories in life; Sex, friends, family , career. No one wants to feel worthless.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You know, as someone with "a foot in each world", so to speak, I find this post to be a very genuine, calm, and well-written summary of why people seek out TRP's help. Whatever the other members of Reddit think about TRP, if they read this I'm reasonably confident that they'd find it mostly agreeable (provided it was presented as not RP so no prejudice could make them dislike it from the get-go). All in all, this is just a quality post.

Good work, OP.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, Spartacus.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Notice how they (feminists) still use sex to try to control men?

The shaming technique is just a manipulation technique and when men stop buying into it we are better off

[–]thereddespair 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey I get laid a lot and I am here? sexless virgin, oh god I wish I was lol.

You may get hated and burned here on reddit, but this is not where the real battles are fought, it is out there in the real world. You guys get laid and get what you want, they don't. It is easy for people to say anything and attack anybody online, but how many can in the real world? Cock sucking wankers, mostly.

Sex is a need which almost everybody has. And there are a lot of hypocrites who say oh its not that important, but really they just try to downplay it coz theyre either not getting a sufficient amount of it or none at all

I just say, go do what the fuck you want and take what you want in life. Who gives a shit if people hate you for it, either here online or out there. You win nothing by living by other peoples approval, unless youre the biggest ass kisser in the world.

[–]1FunAndFreedom 3 points4 points  (2 children)

The people who deride this subforum are people I feel sorry for. Their lives are full of hatred and anger hidden behind a thin facade of sarcasm. If you are curious, go to one of the subforums that call us "neckbeards" and click the post history of a few of the frequent posters.

I did, and in their post histories I found many of them were people who were significantly obese, or who were in extreme debt, or who were living life in squalor. In other words, people who don't matter to this world. I would advise you all to ignore their existence.

This isn't exclusive to TheRedPill. In another reddit forum a person told me that the streets should run red with my families blood for no reason besides the fact I was a landlord who had a few nice cars. There are people out there who are so concerned with tearing others down that they don't realize they are responsible for their own miserable lives. They are the loudest voices and there unfortunately is no reasoning with them.

Just like a plate who gets too clingy, NEXT those losers and focus on self improvement and people who matter.

[–]coffee_and_lumber 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Reminds me of observing political discussions on Facebook. I saw one recently that was full of absurdly incendiary, borderline racist comments about Obama. I went through and looked at some random profile pages and saw universally people living in tiny, anonymous rural areas, who were obese, haggard-looking, unsophisticated. 48 year old dishwashers and unemployed people, no college educations at all. No way these folks had ever left the country, and likely not even their own state. But somehow they had no problem forming all kinds of political opinions and ideas about foreign policy and screaming at everyone who felt differently from them.

I would not use that information or someone's Reddit post history actively against them, but it's telling to see that sort of thing. I'd say I've only seen that loud, angry, hostile behavior from people who are just not doing very well for themselves.

[–]1FunAndFreedom 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There is something to the vitriol of a persons argument that speaks to the class of the individual. When people are downright nasty, like what you experienced on Facebook or what we see from certain subforums, it strongly suggests their lives are a mess.

In short: when life is good, when money is good, when sex is good, it's hard to work up much anger over inconsequential things. It just rolls off your back.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This righteous fury I feel boiling in me while reading your excellent note.

We're not the sexless virgins. We're not the neckbeards.

We're fathers, firefighters, pilots, drivers, teachers, engineers, students, bankers, and entrepreneurs who are tall, skinny, fit, fat, good-looking, ugly, old, young, happy, angry, sad, depressed, and everything in between.

Reminds me of this excerpt from Fight Club, I don't think it's a coïncidence :

Look, the people you are after are the people you depend on. We cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls, we drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep. Do not... fuck with us.

We are Men. And we are taking back Manhood.

Stand Strong Brothers.

Also, we should remember something, here :

I have never met a truly strong person who didn't have self-respect. I think a lot of inwardly and outwardly directed contempt passes itself off as self-respect: the idea of raising yourself by stepping on someone's shoulders instead of doing it yourself. ... Muscle mass does not always equal strength. Strength is kindness and sensitivity. Strength is understanding that your power is both physical and emotional. That it comes from the body and the mind. And the heart.

From The Iron, Henry Rollins

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

dI myself am here when as a borderline purplepiller started talking to a redpiller at a party, unknowing that he was a redpiller as I had heard of this subreddit and checked it from time to time, discussed sexual dyanmics and how women worked. And the more I read, the more I learned myself the nature of said dynamics, shit tests, SMV and RMV, the CC, and how much it's happened to me (shit tests) that this was the right place for me, and you guys (and now myself, the more and more I read) get it. As well as improving and working on myself and my views of the world and being aware of how things actually work, and I thank you all.

Edit: Cool, Gold! Thanks guy!

[–]cleftscout 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Edited for format and clarification and when I saw that a mod posted it.

I'm responding to how I understood this post, which I found worded strangely with a changing point being made. TRP was never about sex for me, even when I was purple pill, slightly above normal weight/build (shit) below normal height, I got more sex than I could handle and was much more often approached by girls than I approached them. After I broke up with an ex girlfriend I got after I decided to cool it with the multiple partners, I went 8 months not having any libido. I've never been in a relationship where I was the most common initiator of sex or the one that found it to be most important or pleasurable. Since I always had access to it, it's simply something that people do (Source: Every single persons biological parents.) and something that my parents always demonized.

TRP in my life has never been about sex at all. In my opinion, revolving anything around gaining sex is pathetic. TRP for me has always been about making oneself the best possible man one can be, which in turn makes one the best possible option for sex as a result of being better, not as a goal from the beginning. I feel like this post is about a small subset of TRP, and one that is from a very new poster/member Someone making blanket statements directed towards getting the attention of the subset it's about? There are far too many aspects of TRP not about sex for everyone here to have come because they had problems with getting sex, and there are plenty of places elsewhere for people to go that take much less work to obtain the sex they want.

If you need examples of reasons I use TRP, read the sidebar. I'm in it for the psychology and general knowledge that is displayed and because I just like the truth, whether it be good or bad for me. It has helped me get more sexual attention, but it has also changed solidified my views and respect for/about sex and women in a way that can bother a (in my opinion for myself) high quality LTR (at least in my age group of late teens-early twenties) who sees sex as something intimate between two partners. I had a difficult conversation about sex with my LTR and explained that I never saw it as something intimate after I turned 13 because it's just something so normal and prevalent not only in the hookup culture proliferated by almost all forms of media, but also because at its core, it's really not special. And she strongly disagreed.

TL;DR: TRP isn't about sex. It's about being the best possible you.

[–]cazzah123 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Woman hate us because we are taking their power
Men in groups that involve woman hate us because they want to white knight the chicks
Men alone fucking love us

[–]MirthSpindle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The core content here tends not to be bigoted, but from my experience, quite a good number of the commenters are. Probably because they joined simply because they want a place to vent the hate that they have built up in their life.

[–]GuruDev1000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

RPS is always such a fine, articulate and balanced writer. Beautiful post.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They say that we're wrong in our assessments, and then revoke our manhoods by commenting on our inability to get sex.

I would like to say that it's a strategy beta employs. When in competition with a male of higher value, they discredit him as a sexual being in order to win the female's attention. No need to remind anybody, even out of the sub, that betas are those who can't get laid.

So actually, by using this very argument, they are basically saying they are the ones that can't get laid.

[–]macsenscam 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The most bigoted? Have these people not seen r/fatpeoplehate?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's almost like the have an agenda to push behind a fig leaf of science. Or something.

[–]JablesRadio 2 points3 points  (2 children)

TRP hasn't helped me get laid or turned me into a scathing misogynist. In fact, the relationship between my girlfriend and I, one that's going on 2 years, is better than ever. She has told me on multiple occasions that assertiveness has played a big part in this. She also knows that some of that has come from /r/theredpill.

Anyone believing that TRP is a bunch of guys jacking it because they can't get laid should look in the mirror. At simple face value, TRP is way more than that, anyone thinking otherwise is willfully ignorant. Why take a couple of minutes to learn anything at all about a subject when you can just cry and moan and get it banned?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Why take a couple of minutes to learn anything at all about a subject when you can just cry and moan and get it banned?

Of those two, which is more likely to be effective at silencing TRP?

[–]cruyff8 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Even if everyone here is a "sexless, virgin, neckbeard", which is what your missive implies, isn't it better to have us mouth off online than actually bother women in our quest for orgasms all the time? That's what I don't get about people who want to ban any subreddit, be it trp or anything else.

[–]coffee_and_lumber 3 points4 points  (1 child)

If we are in fact attracting a certain percentage of those guys, then good. They are insufferable and practically useless as men. They are the extreme example of the kind of guy who desperately needs the wisdom here. (If any women disagree and find that assessment harsh, I invite them to go find one and fuck one.) If all they do is observe step 1 and start working out, a waterfall of improvements will follow. Drop the pokemon, get on some man shit.

[–]TMarizzle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Instructions unclear. Dropped pokemon on man shit.

[–]BlackFallout 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just wanted to say thanks to everyone on this sub. It has worked wonders for me.

[–]anti_erection_man 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They're all virgin neckbeards.

If that's the actual way they imagine, oh they are making such a big mistake. When one of the main things about a RedPill or MGTOW, is lifting and fitness, and RedPill man are pretty good at attracting women, and striving to be alpha males.

In the end, the bad intended women won't change their minds, and the beta bucks is bad mainly for them.

Who the fuck declared us the most bigoted subreddit anyway? How come it's fine when feminists make man hating statements in public places, but when A FEW of RedPill man might show a somewhat hatred towards some women, it's a major tragedy and needs to stop. The only sex you may hate is male, under any condition. Even if that bitch ex lazy wife stole all your hard earned money and car and house in the divorce, she being a fucking moronic ass that cheated on you and never worked a day in her pathetic existence.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

most of us didn't get here on accident. And if you did you didn't stay on accident. Great insight

[–]brandnewtoreddit96 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Immediately after reading this I subscribed. I will have to read more posts but I have always feel this is somewhere to I can relate to.I have always felt unwanted and unappreciated. Maybe because I was slightly chubby and messy when I was younger. I was never the guy the girls talked about. I was always the funny sweet one. Now because of this I changed my look, work out ever day and even tidy my hair occasionally. My narcissism has hit a point where even if a girl makes a move on me I feel it as pity. I can see how a girl might approach a friend of mine but could never accept one would like me. I feel like i will end up as Jeff Winger, calling a phone sex line to see if a women would like me for the person I am not what I look like.

[–]dandeezy 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Some men come here to LOSE their anger towards women contrary to the reverse belief that they come here to fuel that anger.

I'm a semi good looking successful engineer that puts honesty before all things and I easily apply red pill methodology in my life. I'm not a player or a womanizer, I discovered bluepill first ironically and subscribed to both after awhile. I couldn't stand bluepill and agreed with majority of trp.

If you want proof, I'm proof. AMA! I can record a say in my life to show you I'm not some fat ass in mom's basement jacking off all day, but a successful social and sane man who enjoys his work. There are many like me! Stick around to see!

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Some men come here to LOSE their anger towards women contrary to the reverse belief that they come here to fuel that anger.

I'd restate that a bit, that they don't come here to lose their anger but rather that they lose their anger as a result of what they read here. There's no reason to be angry at women for being what they are any more than there is a reason to be angry at a cat for doing what it does.

"Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks" after all, so why get upset when a hoe is a hoe?

[–]Angelicsin87 1 point2 points  (13 children)

I'm hoping I've caught the attention of at least a few new people taking a peek to see what we're about. You're probably hoping to find evidence to support the popular opinion- that we should be chided or ignored.

You have. I am actually here to learn more about you guys by asking a few questions. I promise not to chide anyone here.

The reason we are here and the reason we don't care about the insults are one in the same: Because joining the red pill did not start the insults, instead the insults started the red pill.

What sort of insults lead you guys to The Red Pill? Who insults you guys?

The irony sorely lost on the masses is in the call for equality, anti-bigotry, and whatever other causes your average social justice warrior stands up for. The public has doubled down and taken up the very weapons they decry. Shame and scorn against those they disagree with. Sexual shame in retribution for valuing sex. Smooth.

They say that we're wrong in our assessments, and then revoke our manhoods by commenting on our inability to get sex.

How do you define manhood? Does proclaiming you guys don't get sex really revoke you of your manhood?

But they've got the order of operations down wrong.

Order of operations to what?

I'm not going to deny that we have had trouble with sex. That is the common thread that brings us here. Using sexlessness to dismiss us is precisely the behavior that brought men here to begin with. We were sexless. Our views and perspectives, our so-called "bigotry" did not lead us to a sexless life so you can conveniently dismiss our views. Instead, our sexless lives lead us to adopt these views as a last ditch effort to reach sexual success. And most of us stayed here when we realized it was effective.

Is sexlessness used to dismiss you guys? Are your guys views being dismissed or rejected? What are your views? How has being sexless made you adopt these views as a last ditch effort? Why is sexual success important? Does it matter what gender you achieve sexual success with? How much effort do you guys put in towards sexual success before resorting to this last ditch effort? Will your views be considered valid with sexual success? What exactly was effective?

But life isn't all about sex! You guys are obsessed!

Right?

I think it's pretty safe to say that most women don't really understand to what degree sex matters in the average man's life. He finds more than a physical release, he finds belonging and acceptance in sex. Sex for a man is knowing you are wanted.

Is sex required to feel like you belong and are accepted? Can the same be said for women? Do you guys accept yourselves for who you are? If not, do you need to have sex in order to?

The fact is, for most of our lives, we've come to accept that we are not sexually desirable to most (or all) women.

Does everyone in this subreddit believe they're sexually undesirable? Who says you are sexually undesirable? Is being sexually desirable important in a relationship?

Our advances left us crushed and depressed, were treated as creepy or worse than murder.

How have advances left you crushed and depressed? What sort of advances do you guys take? Do you guys make advances just for sex? Are you treated as creepy for making advances? Is rejection worse then murder for you guys?

Our relationships left us broken or broke. Our marriages crumbled.

What caused your relationship(s) to break or marriages(s) to crumble? Are you guys partly responsible for your relationship(s) or marriage(s) ending? Do you guys pursue another relationship after having been in one or after having a divorce?

If you listen to pop culture, and believe everybody finds their special somebody, then we must have been the outcasts.

Do you see yourselves as outcasts if you're not in a relationship or having sex? Do none of you believe you can find a significant other?

The fact that commenting on our lack of sexual success is inherent in all public dismissal of us (virgin neckbeards) should help put this into perspective- even the feminists and social justice warriors of the world denouncing sex as that important have made our manhoods (and therefore rights to have or speak an opinion at all) entirely dependent on our access to sex. Why would being a virgin or a neckbeard matter, unless sex truly does matter to our manhoods?

Do you believe having access to sex grants you the right to either have or speak an opinion? Do other peoples opinions matter (Especially if they have sex)? Must other genders have sex for their right to have or speak an opinion?

I don't really buy the rationale that it does matter to be a man.

Does it matter if you're any other gender?

But I do recognize that sex will still be important to men nevertheless.

Is it important to all men? Is sex with the same gender or other genders just as important?

And so here I support such a hypothesis, and behold, 102,000 men in two years have flocked. You can dismiss us, our views, and theories. But you cannot dismiss the common need and problem that brought us together.

What problem brought you all together? Sexlessness?

I want to back up a little bit, and address the idea that we're social outcasts.

Are you guys social outcasts? If so, what for?

Now, you'd think, every gender and every group has their outcasts. Looking back at high school, there were always those fringe groups that didn't quite get along. Some banded together in their unpopularity and played dungeons and dragons or wore funny looking clothing. So what's the red pill? Just a group of pimply-faced nerds who never learned to talk to women?

Are past high school reputations equivalent to current sexual social status?

That's the problem here- the reason for our corner of the internet. It affects more than just the pimply-faced nerds, more than the short guys, more than the fat, the skinny, or the ugly.

Are all pimply-faced nerds, short guys, the fat, the skinny, or your idea of ugly people affected by sexlessness or social dismissal? Does it affect more than just the pimply-faced nerds, short guys, the fat, the skinny, your idea of ugly people or men? Who doesn't it affect? Does being short, fat, skinny, ugly, or pimply-faced mean you're sexually undesirable by everyone and thus social dismissed?

The changes to inter-gender relations over the past 30 years have started to affect all of us.

Could you define inter-gender relations for me? How have they changed in 30 years? How does it affect us all?

You can see it in the declining marriage rates, in the studies that show dissatisfaction among both genders in relationships, the sky-high divorce rates, and the endless stories of custody battles and alimony cases. The school shootings and the male suicide rate, the gamer scandals, and presidential campaigns. The declining rate of male college graduates and the women who don't care. The single mothers, and the children who hate men.

Are you stating that school shootings, male suicide rate, gamer scandals, and presidential campaigns are from male sex deprivation? Are there actual statistics to back your claims?

We're not the sexless virgins. We're not the neckbeards.

We're fathers, firefighters, pilots, drivers, teachers, engineers, students, bankers, and entrepreneurs who are tall, skinny, fit, fat, good-looking, ugly, old, young, happy, angry, sad, depressed, and everything in between.

Can we be these without needing sex?

And we've all been affected by the changing environment.

What environment? How has it been changed? How has everyone else aside from men been affected by it?

And none of us found compassion, belonging, or empathy in the very system that gave us this shared experience.

Are you guys still trying to find compassion, belonging, or empathy? Do you guys feel compassionate, longing, or empathy towards others (No matter whom they are)? Does being sexless keep you from finding others compassion or empathy?

Maybe we are bigots, maybe we hate women. Maybe we aren't, and maybe we don't. It's entirely superfluous to the point of why we're here. Attacking these points does not dismiss our existence, nor does it address it.

Are you guys an organized group? What needs to be addressed?

It's up to you how you're going to deal with this information.

By asking for more information! :D

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Seems to me you've either been unable to comprehend my piece or you're being willfully obtuse. I'm happy to entertain questions, but not three hundred of them that demonstrate an unwillingness to apply even a smidgen of critical thought into comprehending what I've written.

Gather your thoughts and try again.

[–]Angelicsin87 1 point2 points  (4 children)

They're legitimate questions, I'm completely oblivious about most of this sub. Any other search or such I've done on this subreddit is instantly met with accusations of bigotry and arguing.I figure asking someone like yourself would help my understanding a bit. I don't want you to play three hundred questions with me, but if you would answer a handful of my questions to help enlighten me, then that'll be very appreciated.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

The guys here have either had limited success with women/relationships, or no success using basic advice and life skills they learned from culture. They've earned scorn from popular culture for masculinity. Many suffered at the hands of feminism- losing child custody battles, child support, alimony.

Came here. Found reality. Got better results.

[–]Angelicsin87 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Alright, thank you. I still have a few more questions though. (Warning: seemingly obtuse questions) How do you guys define masculinity? Does being in a relationship or having "success" with woman mean your masculine? What do you guys consider to be success with women? Have you guys tried your own way of picking up women aside from using basic advice? How has popular culture scorn you guys for not being in a relationship or being successful with women? Is feminism truly the cause for such things as child support, alimony, and losing child custody? What's the "reality" and how has it helped you guys get better results?

[–]FlamingBrad 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think it speaks volumes these guys like to talk about their problems and how they're all normal people, but you try to ask reasonable questions about their beliefs and they dance around them and act like you're the idiot for asking them.

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[–]Angelicsin87 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Honestly, who would **** someone that just broke down in tears? Not many aside from a few sadist or psychos. I truly feel (No matter how obtuse) that my questions are legitimate, yet none of you have even bothered to at least answer one of them. I've been listening, and all I've heard from you guys is "men have to deal with a lot of BS" from "feminist retards". Not one of you have told me what sort of BS us men must put up with that other genders don't. Are there not women who must 'work hard' to 'make money' in order to 'provide' for their family (or even just children)? Especially considering they can be seen by potential employers as a maternity risk or the fact that they'll probably have a wage gap 22% less than your average male employee. By your argument alone, I'd imagine both you and feminist would agree for equality in that regard. I'm sure it's undignified ("Unmanly") for any parent to break down in front of their children no matter what gender they are. Me personally, I would find any parent to be a bit pathetic if they broke down in front of their children because it's expected of them to provide for them. Honestly, it's "unmanly" to me if you can't handle the pressure of working and providing for your family. I don't take too kindly to being told "stfu and listen" since all I have done is listen and reply accordingly. If anything, I feel you didn't even bother reading my questions before telling me you "couldn't be f**ked reading" them. How about you take the time to listen to my questions before telling me that I "have no idea what it is like to be a man in this stupid feminised metro-sexual society". Otherwise, just swallow your own pill.

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[–]Angelicsin87 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Of course women don't know what it is like to be a man, because they're women. Same can be said for us, neither you nor I know what it's like to be a woman. What's with crying? That's a natural response to being in distress. Everyone feels distressed at some point in their life whether it be expressed with tears or subtle expression. Not to mention, I've seen grown ass men sob over referee calls in a NFL game and it be socially more accepted than a woman crying over some pop star. But honestly, who actually cares? It shouldn't matter to you whether something as crying is socially acceptable amongst other men or not. A true man wouldn't care what others thought of him like some self conscious teenage school girl would (That was a joke).

[–]looselips-sinkships 1 points1 points [recovered]

Okay. From what you told me it sounds like you are not a feminist. However, you do like to disagree with things you honestly understand, just for the sake of a debate. In effect, you seem to be confusing yourself for the sake of it, rather than just accepting what you already know, and adapting your attitude to benefit from it. Sincerely, good luck.

[–]Angelicsin87 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's not that I am confusing myself. In my original comment, I made it point to say I was curious of this subreddit and what you guys think. If that means I either obtusely ask questions like I were Socrates high off weed or debate points with counter points, then so be it. That's basically what learning is after all. With each question I ask and each point I debate do I learn more about what you guys are about and what you guys proclaim to be the "true reality". Problem I seem to have is that my questions are overlooked with responses that answer none of them. You guys constantly make it a point that men are unfairly held to a higher bar than women and that they've somehow have domain over most men simply because they selectively withdraw sex from us without even explaining how or even providing any evidence supporting those claims. I'm beginning to suspect that you guys can't answer my questions or make a point simply because you guys don't have one. Until someone informs me otherwise, I'm pretty sure that's the case.

[–]JennLegend3 1 point2 points  (9 children)

So I just want to say something here. I'm a female. I'm subbed here for a reason. I think it's very interesting to see your view of things we women do. Not all of us women are the same though. But I like to check out what you guys have gone through so I can keep my own relationship on check. So I actually appreciate what you guys do here.

[–]Haufniensis 6 points6 points [recovered]

So I just want to say something here. I'm a female.

The ratio of words to pictures of your tits is all off.

[–]JennLegend3 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Yeahhh well that's not gunna happen

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Tits or get the fuck out. Read that plus the top comment in that thread.

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[–]Rhenthalin 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I thought this sub only managed to eek out an honorable mention in terms of bigotry and "general misanthrope" in the last "Which part of reddit do you hate the most" thread. Go us for coming out on top

[–]Modredpillschool[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

It's a new "study"

https://archive.today/kIRmq

[–]GregariousWolf -1 points0 points  (1 child)

When i was young I thought the Battle of the Sexes was political humor. Now that I'm an older divorced guy, I'm a believer.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Marriage = Battle of the Sexes won.

Sorry to say, you didn't win that round. How's the harem coming along?

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[–]bluedog_anchorite 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The "no sex" accusation used to bother me when I was younger, but now I don't care. When I work at myself, women desire me, and when I don't, there is always porn. It's all good.

[–]NotQuiteRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great post. I would like to add, and this is purely anecdotal (isn't everything on a website), that even my girlfriend (who didn't know I was reading this sub), mainly agreed with RP ideas.

As I explained some terms, like beta orbiter, she rattled off all the ones she used to have and laughed about it.

When I told her that women will make guys they like wait, while fucking the other guy, not only did she admit to it being true, but put the onus on the "nice guy" to recognize in what way he might be being used. She also said she would understand if the nice guy didn't want any part of the fact that he had to wait... And that's why she'd do what she needed to so he wouldn't find out.

Really, I expected somewhat different answers from her about RP (and yes, I know, I shouldn't be talking about RP). AWALT... Even the woman I love. LOL.

[–]Aphoc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think sex for men, is the same as validation for women

If men in general shat all over women and didn't give a fuck about them, they would be an even greater scourge than men, going for man to man in hope of some comfort and safety in their life and whoreing themselves out with their body, just like men whore themselves out with our validation and comfort today.

[–]doveenigma13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tl;dr

Life is ONLY about sex on a fundamental l, survival, evolutionary level.

[–]imNasty_ 1 points1 points [recovered]

I never had an issue attracting women and most of my relationships were pretty much initiated by them. My problem was that I didn't know how to keep them around and I'd eventually kill the spark by pulling out some beta shit. Back in high school I went through an asshole phase and after much success, I found myself asking why women only loved me when I was a dick.

TRP taught me why though and why I pretty much have to keep my finger on the eject button at all times. I pretty much had a hunch about most of the shit posted here but I can't thank TRP enough for constantly clearing everything up. Fuck all the femtards and thirsty whiteknights

[–]coffee_and_lumber 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never had an issue attracting women and most of my relationships were pretty much initiated by them. My problem was that I didn't know how to keep them around and I'd eventually kill the spark by pulling out some beta shit.

This resonates.

[–]Gnashtaru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not a subscriber because I couldn't get laid. Far from it. I'm here for the same reason I subscribe to /r/mensrights. I'm sick of the one sided laws and man hating disguised as feminism. I got screwed so bad by the system. I see unfair bias in peoples comments on other sub's and it sickens me.

Sure this sub is mostly about "game$ and what it means to be a man. Bit the real underlying thread of commonality with all of us here is frustration over society.

[–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this post almost brought me to tears.

well done good sir. well done!

[–]jafbm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I find something close to this "belonging" sense you speak of in music. When I play with others. Part of that is because of this thing that happens called "The Flow" (a psychological term that means that sort of zen state of mind you get when you're playing music). I don't get it doing anything else. There's something like it that I get when I work out or go for a long bike ride or a hike...all good things, but they don't include the closeness to other people that playing music does.

[–]Eat_The_Muffin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No you've got it all wrong, red pillers do get laid because they use mind tricks to force women to have sex with them. Red pillers are effectively raping women using their evil sorcery.

These are the dicks you are looking for

#stoptherapepillers

[–]TitsAndWhiskey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've long ago stopped giving a fuck about people who have no credibility to begin with. They can tell me I'm a loser neckbeard struggling to get laid all they want. If they don't know me, wouldn't the most likely explanation for them saying that be that they're projecting? Maybe not their real self, but their poor self-image? The scariest monsters are the ones that remind us of ourselves.

From what I've gathered from this and other subs, I get laid WAY more than average. I'm literally here to learn how to avoid relationships. And I'd be willing to bet that's true for a lot of the older guys as well.

They keep trying to make it about "losers trying to get laid" so that they can preserve the power of modern relationship dynamics, and/or feel better about themselves even knowing that they're plugged in and on the losing end.

A blue pill woman will do anything to preserve the status quo. A blue pill man will do anything to reassure himself. TRP is a radical group. It goes against the status quo. Hate is inevitable.

[–]s0und0fyell0w 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this post cant possibly receive enough praise. and im sorry I cant really contribute to this, you pretty much said it all. kinda wish you would post this on purple pill debates just for the hell of it.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

RPS hits another one out of the park. This should almost be a link for the new people stopping by to read first.

We are indeed college professors, and lawyers and doctors and fishermen and plumbers and soldiers. We are the Red Pill. It's not that we hate women, but we understand them now and the truth informs our political and world views.

That is why they are so scared.

[–]TRPKid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That part about sex is completely true.

It's the only thing that really makes you feel loved/a sense of belonging.

Great post.

[–]chillmonkey88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

big·ot·ed

ˈbiɡədəd/

adjective

having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others.

"a bigoted group of reactionaries"

It's a board of logical ideas that are open to discussion that can be challenged or rebound by design to find logical meaning to things that can help a man and woman.

They aren't beliefs if they're proven true to the person.

I see it as a bunch grammar nazis and thought police on the Internet that feel that way...

As for intolerance... we call them how we see them... I'm not for inequality or want women to be enslaved by ideals as much as the next guy here. However tearing down one side to level the playing field isn't right either. So for anti-feminism banter, it's because of the injustices to men so they're addressed.

This sub has one of the best tolerances I've seen in terms of opinions on matters discussed. Almost anyone can jump in with what they think as long as it's an intelligent response and doesn't come across the lines of trolling or shaming insults.

I bet people think that because they disagree with something written here and when they replied they got down voted... but that's reddit.

[–]Transmigratory 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can promise you that the people who say that tend to follow the same personality profile in more ways than one.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I started on sosuave and the people there helped me a lot. I had a very painful and destructive oneitis. Then TRP appeared.. and since then i truly believe that this is the only subbreddit where you can discuss rationally. The most frustrating thing is when you get downvoted to hell on certain subreddits because you asked a question or stated something opposing to "accepted" norm. The frustrating thing is that even discussing an issue is not allowed. It's like we always have to ask questions that could offend someone and wnd up discussing how cute cats and weather are.... Anyway i thank TRP for helping me improving relations with women. It also added to my life a lot of serenity and now women actually are attracted to me due to that (too late for that though i am on the MGTOW road and i don't care abt the world anymore.... Sadly enough....)

[–]johngalt1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If acknowledging the existence of the dark side of female nature is misogyny. Acknowledging the evil side of male nature is Misandry.

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If bettering myself, understanding myself, and taking a hard look at myself and accepting why I struggle in life make me a bigot then awesome! 3 years ago I deleted all my social media accounts, changed my number, and moved to a new state, where I knew no one, to go spend time by myself figuring out why I wasn't happy. I read self help books, entrepreneurial books, PUA books and so on. Things have dramatically changed in my life but it hasn't been enough to satisfy my hunger for who I know I can become.

I don't remember exactly how I stumbled upon this subreddit. When I first started reading I thought along the same lines as I'm sure many others have. I thought what a bunch of alpha male, meat head, douches. This is a bunch of guys just being assholes and disrespecting women and their feelings to get sex.

I thought back on my past relationships and how they fell apart and truths of the red pill/blue pill conundrum started ringing true. I started seeing why certain girls left me that I didn't want to leave and why I couldn't leave certain girls that I desperately wanted to leave but drew the breakup out for months and months.

I think deep down every man wants to help people, be kind, be generous, be loved, and respected. However my mother used to tell me that you can't help anyone if you don't help yourself first.

The red pill isn't about hating women it's about maximizing your own potential. If you're maximizing your potential you can't stand to be around people that aren't doing the same.

When men rant about women they aren't really ranting about women they are ranting about girls that haven't and aren't actively maximizing their potential. I can see why this would be frustrating for not just red pill men but for anybody that's worked hard to put themselves in a better place.

[–]Accyu2 1 points1 points [recovered]

There are a lot of women out there who also haven't had a lot of luck with dating. Probably in equal numbers to the men who come to the redpill feeling undesirable. Women also like feeling wanted. I think that's a human thing. Why don't red pill men seek these women out? There are lots and lots of them. They might not be a 10/10 (just like most guys can't be the incredible hulk), but a lot of them are sensible, smart, nice, good people. Shouldn't that count more?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That explains the huge self help industry for women who can't get laid.

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He finds more than a physical release, he finds belonging and acceptance in sex. Sex for a man is knowing you are wanted.

I don't agree with this--or rather, I don't want to agree with this. I hate this idea that sex is the most important thing for us men. I hate the idea of being emotionally reliant on it. As long as we feel like we need sex, we will be at the mercy of the vagina (or the hand, or the onahole).

[–]BurnYourFlag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Obviously anything against the feminist agenda is immediately considered sexist because women want the power. They want to be able to use there pussy to manipulate males. When they cant they lose the power. They wouldn't have to attack the red pill if it wasn't true and didn't work. They could simply ignore it move on and maintain the statas quo. The fact of the matter is through the red pill men are learning how to control the dating world and stop buying into the bull shit. When you stop buying into bullshit who gets mad? The one shoveling it down your throat. The lose of control over men is so baffling and so shocking that women will say we are oppressing them just by trying to be a equal individual free from manipulation. Every time I see some neurotic whiny women online crying about the lose of control over her man or how the red pill is so sexist I laugh because I know one more man discovered the truth and now the women has lost the control. It is music to my ears.

[–]BurnYourFlag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"But life isn't all about sex! You guys are obsessed!" “Everything in the world is about sex except sex. Sex is about power.” ― Oscar Wilde he would disagree.

[–]sterlinghtsmi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have an amazing RPW and she barely knows it. She is a problem solver, a solution finder and never a weepy, oh lonesome me type Skank. I love this girl and she knows it. I respect her like no other. And I dominate her in the bedroom. She is a high earner, smart as fuck and I'm the one who controls the seriousness of the relationship...all of this....thanks to RP.

[–]fend845 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The ones who spend all their time bragging about getting bitches are usually the ones who don't get many at all

[–]fhghg -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Cuz we don't have to get bitches. Cuz we know we can. It's too easy.

[–]VoidInvincible 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow this is the best thread, and explanation of The Red Pill I've looked at in a very long time. Thank you very much for addressing this topic. Great post.

[–]InfantSlayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like you girl, you hate what you fear, and you fear what you don't understand

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (12 children)

Why should you feel unwelcome? Married guys are more than welcome.

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (10 children)

If you're already married, then I expect you to maintain your commitment. Nobody here is advocating leaving your marriage.

But that doesn't change the reality that a marriage puts a loaded gun in your face and puts your wife's finger on the trigger.

It might not be a happy thing to think about, but you can't just ignore it. Well you can, but it doesn't make it go away.

The fact is, yes, marriages are more likely than not to end in divorce. It sucks but that's what it is.

If you're looking for support nevertheless, check posts tagged LTR for long-term-relationship game. Those can help.

I also don't understand why you guys dont realize that half the shit you say that applies to women applies to most "men" too.

Who says we don't understand anything? We're here to fuck women, not men. I don't give a flying shit if men are 100 times worse than women at everything. I'm not fucking men.

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (8 children)

I don't care what you're talking about, because we're here to talk about who we're here to fuck.

From the sidebar:

Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

It sounds to me like you don't feel welcome here because you use leftist nonsense complaints like "us vs them" as though it's somehow inherently wrong to discuss us as a group (which we are) that have had trouble in society (them). Seems to me you're so stuck on the wording that you missed the forest for the trees.

We're not here to discuss dating men. That's as simple as it gets. It's not a dodge, captain, it's a mod telling you what the subject matter is on this forum.

Leave, though, we really don't care.

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

No, we've had trouble in society.

[–]nrjk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

More bigoted than r/coontown. Got it. Jeez.

[–]SnoopKittyCat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you are called a bigot nowadays it's like being called antisemitic, you know you start to touch the truth somehow and people are pissed to see their own truth.

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I can't stand when some loser who sits at a computer all day whining on tumblr about "cis gendered men" thinks that free human beings (men) aren't entitled to casual sex or simply saying "hi" to a chick they find attractive. These people seriously live in la-la land. More importantly though…

WHY SHOULD I LISTEN TO JUST ANY STRANGER ON THE INTERNET TELL ME I'M WRONG? WHAT MAKES YOU WORTH LISTENING TO? YOUR TUMBLR LOGIC? LOL! Tumblr activists simply can't understand the concept that you have to not be completely full of shit and insult people if you want people to listen to you.

Most women who enjoy a good time agree with TRP concepts without labeling them. They think that guys who don't know how to take what they want and "be sexy" are unattractive and "soft" I've had MANY MANY women confirm this over time.. All sorts of women from girlfriends, co-workers, platonic friends, even my own mother said to me "girls don't want to listen to your feelings".

I think being a jerk is kind of over-played and high school-ish. Being playful (teasing, joking around playful touch) is way better and goes a longer way. Getting a girl to do stuff for you too (giving you rides, cooking, grabbing something from the store for you while she's out etc..) turns them on because they "feel needed".

[–]NeoreactionSafe -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Marxism these days uses two different techniques.

The two branches are:

  • Racism

  • Sexism

. Any time you play into their lies they win.

Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism,Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism,Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism...

You would think by now people get it.

Any time you hear those key words you just automatically check out because you know all that is coming at you are lies and manipulations. Just wake up to it.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Of course this sub is filled with sexless people, its a place to change. People come here because they dont jave sex, ejat do you expect? The points hold, rp works, if you trully work on it, instead of just reading.

[–]Vietnom -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is quite good. I hope the haters read it I think it will help them understand.

[–]DreadLockedHaitian -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When people say that shit, I get more inspired LOL.