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The Sixteen Commandments Of Poon (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by redvelvet_oreo

FUCK YOU CENSORSHIP!

I. Never say ‘I Love You’ first

Women want to feel like they have to overcome obstacles to win a man’s heart. They crave the challenge of capturing the interest of a man who has other women competing for his attention, and eventually prevailing over his grudging reluctance to award his committed exclusivity. The man who gives his emotional world away too easily robs women of the satisfaction of earning his love. Though you may be in love with her, don’t say it before she has said it. Show compassionate restraint for her need to struggle toward yin fulfillment. Inspire her to take the leap for you, and she’ll return the favor a thousandfold.

II. Make her jealous

Flirt with other women in front of her. Do not dissuade other women from flirting with you. Women will never admit this but jealousy excites them. The thought of you turning on another woman will arouse her sexually. No girl wants a man that no other woman wants. The partner who harnesses the gale storm of jealousy controls the direction of the relationship.

III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority

Forget all those romantic cliches of the leading man proclaiming his undying love for the woman who completes him. Despite whatever protestations to the contrary, women do not want to be “The One” or the center of a man’s existence. They in fact want to subordinate themselves to a worthy man’s life purpose, to help him achieve that purpose with their feminine support, and to follow the path he lays out. You must respect a woman’s integrity and not lie to her that she is “your everything”. She is not your everything, and if she is, she will soon not be anymore.

IV. Don’t play by her rules

If you allow a woman to make the rules she will resent you with a seething contempt even a rapist cannot inspire. The strongest woman and the most strident feminist wants to be led by, and to submit to, a more powerful man. Polarity is the core of a healthy loving relationship. She does not want the prerogative to walk all over you with her capricious demands and mercurial moods. Her emotions are a hurricane, her soul a saboteur. Think of yourself as a bulwark against her tempest. When she grasps for a pillar to steady herself against the whipping winds or yearns for an authority figure to foil her worst instincts, it is you who has to be there… strong, solid, unshakeable and immovable.

V. Adhere to the golden ratio

Give your woman 2/3 of everything she gives you. For every three calls or texts, give her two back. Three declarations of love earn two in return. Three gifts; two nights out. Give her two displays of affection and stop until she has answered with three more. When she speaks, you reply with fewer words. When she emotes, you emote less. The idea behind the golden ratio is twofold — it establishes your greater value by making her chase you, and it demonstrates that you have the self-restraint to avoid getting swept up in her personal dramas. Refraining from reciprocating everything she does for you in equal measure instills in her the proper attitude of belief in your higher status. In her deepest loins it is what she truly wants.

VI. Keep her guessing

True to their inscrutable natures, women ask questions they don’t really want direct answers to. Woe be the man who plays it straight — his fate is the suffering of the beta. Evade, tease, obfuscate. She thrives when she has to imagine what you’re thinking about her, and withers when she knows exactly how you feel. A woman may want financial and family security, but she does not want passion security. In the same manner, when she has displeased you, punish swiftly, but when she has done you right, reward slowly. Reward her good behavior intermittently and unpredictably and she will never tire of working hard to please you.

VII. Always keep two in the kitty

Never allow yourself to be a “kept man”. A man with options is a man without need. It builds confidence and encourages boldness with women if there is another woman, a safety net, to catch you in case you slip and risk a breakup, divorce, or a lost prospect, leading to loneliness and a grinding dry spell. A woman knows once she has slept with a man she has abdicated a measure of her power; when she has fallen in love with him she has surrendered nearly all of it. But love is ephemeral and with time she may rediscover her power and threaten to leave you. It is her final trump card. Withdrawing all her love and all her body in an instant will rend your soul if you are faced with contemplating the empty abyss alone. Knowing there is another you can turn to for affection will fortify your will and satisfy your manhood.

VIII. Say you’re sorry only when absolutely necessary

Do not say you’re sorry for every wrong thing you do. It is a posture of submission that no man should reflexively adopt, no matter how alpha he is. Apologizing increases the demand for more apologies. She will come to expect your contrition, like a cat expects its meal at a set time each day. And then your value will lower in her eyes. Instead, if you have done something wrong, you should acknowledge your guilt in a glancing way without resorting to the actual words “I’m sorry.” Pull the Bill Clinton maneuver and say “Mistakes were made” or tell her you “feel bad” about what you did. You are granted two freebie “I’m sorry”s for the life of your relationship; use them wisely.

IX. Connect with her emotions

Set yourself apart from other men and connect with a woman’s emotional landscape. Her mind is an alien world that requires deft navigation to reach your rendevous. Frolic in the surf of emotions rather than the arid desert of logic. Be playful. Employ all your senses. Describe in lush detail scenarios to set her heart afire. Give your feelings freedom to roam. ROAM. Yes, that is a good word. You’re not on a linear path with her. You are ROAMING all over, taking her on an adventure. In this world, there is no need to finish thoughts or draw conclusions. There is only need to EXPERIENCE. You’re grabbing her hand and running with her down an infinite, labyrinthine alleyway with no end, laughing and letting your fingers glide on the cobblestone walls along the way.

X. Ignore her beauty

The man who trains his mind to subdue the reward centers of his brain when reflecting upon a beautiful female face will magically transform his interactions with women. His apprehension and self-consciousness will melt away, paving the path for more honest and self-possessed interactions with the objects of his desire. This is one reason why the greatest lotharios drown in more love than they can handle — through positive experiences with so many beautiful women they lose their awe of beauty and, in turn, their powerlessness under its spell. It will help you acquire the right frame of mind to stop using the words hot, cute, gorgeous, or beautiful to describe girls who turn you on. Instead, say to yourself “she’s interesting” or “she might be worth getting to know”. Never compliment a girl on her looks, especially not a girl you aren’t fucking. Turn off that part of your brain that wants to put them on pedestals. Further advanced training to reach this state of unawed Zen transcendence is to sleep with many MANY attractive women (try to avoid sleeping with a lot of ugly women if you don’t want to regress). Soon, a Jedi lover you will be.

XI. Be irrationally self-confident

No matter what your station in life, stride through the world without apology or excuse. It does not matter if objectively you are not the best man a woman can get; what matters is that you think and act like you are. Women have a dog’s instinct for uncovering weakness in men; don’t make it easy for them. Self-confidence, warranted or not, triggers submissive emotional responses in women. Irrational self-confidence will get you more pussy than rational defeatism.

XII. Maximize your strengths, minimize your weaknesses

In the betterment of ourselves as men we attract women into our orbit. To accomplish this gravitational pull as painlessly and efficiently as possible, you must identify your natural talents and shortcomings and parcel your efforts accordingly. If you are a gifted jokester, don’t waste time and energy trying to raise your status in philosophical debate. If you write well but dance poorly, don’t kill yourself trying to expand your manly influence on the dancefloor. Your goal should be to attract women effortlessly, so play to your strengths no matter what they are; there is a groupie for every male endeavor. Except World of Warcraft.

XIII. Err on the side of too much boldness, rather than too little

Touching a woman inappropriately on the first date will get you further with her than not touching her at all. Don’t let a woman’s faux indignation at your boldness sway you; they secretly love it when a man aggressively pursues what he wants and makes his sexual intentions known. You don’t have to be an asshole, but if you have no choice, being an inconsiderate asshole beats being a polite beta, every time.

XIV. Fuck her good

Fuck her like it’s your last fuck. And hers. Fuck her so good, so hard, so wantonly, so profligately that she is left a quivering, sparking mass of shaking flesh and sex fluids. Drain her of everything, then drain her some more. Kiss her all over, make love to her all night, and hold her close in the morning. Own her body, own her gratitude, own her love. If you don’t know how, learn to give her squirting orgasms.

XV. Maintain your state control You are an oak tree. You will not be manipulated by crying, yelling, lying, head games, sexual withdrawal, jealousy ploys, pity plays, shit tests, hot/cold/hot/cold, disappearing acts, or guilt trips. She will rain and thunder all around you and you will shelter her until her storm passes. She will not drag you into her chaos or uproot you. When you have mastery over yourself, you will have mastery over her.

XVI. Never be afraid to lose her

You must not fear. Fear is the love-killer. Fear is the ego-triumph that brings abject loneliness. You will face your fear. You will permit it to pass over and through you. And when your ego-fear is gone you will turn and face your lover, and only your heart will remain. You will walk away from her when she has violated your integrity, and you will let her walk when her heart is closed to you. She who can destroy you, controls you. Don’t give her that power over yourself. Love yourself before you love her.


The closer you follow the letter of these commandments, the easier you will find and keep real, true unconditional love and happiness in your life. Best,

From heartiste


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[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 221 points222 points  (10 children)

In 5 years of very active exploration of red pill blogs and books, I still haven’t found more insightful material than this. I need to commit to memory.

[–]redvelvet_oreo[S] 56 points57 points  (6 children)

100% This post is essential. This post is the reason why I am in a healthy LTR and have had success spinning plates since finding TRP. Its one thing to be good at game and its another to keep it going after hitting it.

For the people bitching about some of the rules in this post I encourage you to actually try these things first before complaining how immoral some of it feels or sounds like to you.

Remember all these rules are modular. You dont use them in any type of order. You use the right one when necessary. Read it. Remember it and burn in into your soul. These things should come natural to you after some time.

[–]Boovs4life 9 points10 points  (5 children)

Lately I've considered myself decent with girls thanks to lurking TRP for a few years. However, I just started talking to this girl that I thought I liked and made the mistake of thinking she was a "unicorn" and I broke basically every rule here. Should I cut her off to keep my dignity? I'm not sure if I can turn months of beta tendencies around.

[–]rredhammer 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Cut your losses. Once she views you as a beta you will always be beta in her eye.

[–]RightHandWolf 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Once you start down the beta path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Consume you it will . . . as it did Roosh's apprentice.

[–]slip_like_space 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Who was Roosh's apprentice?

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Depends if you value your “dignity” more than everything else you get from her. I wouldn’t let go of amazing love and sex just because I didn’t follow some rules I found on the Internet. But if the sex and love dry up, replaced by drama and headaches, as a consequence of breaking those guidelines for too long, then you know it really is time to jump. If you can keep to rule 16, then you can break all the rest, confident that you’ll know to jump in time to avoid the train wreck.

[–]Jussie_Mullet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In addition to tomassi's IRON RULES

And

Illimitableman's. 50 shades

[–]donkeydodo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Plowed through all of IllimitableMan's posts yet? I agree this post is gold though

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I read them all. IM was a decent TRP poster. There have been a few. I preferred /u/Archwinger and /u/HumanSockPuppet.

But Roissy's Game posts were better than IM, and those 16 commandments were the pinnacle of his writing.

[–]Operator216 162 points163 points  (1 child)

This needs to be stickied or sidebar-ed.

[–]DeChef2 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I believe it already is, however, that doesn’t mean it not a good reminder for us all.

Edit: It’s not, must be in the handbook, got the two mixed up

[–]kostni 29 points30 points  (1 child)

You forgot something

XV. Maintain your state control

You are an oak tree. You will not be manipulated by crying, yelling, lying, head games, sexual withdrawal, jealousy ploys, pity plays, shit tests, hot/cold/hot/cold, disappearing acts, or guilt trips. She will rain and thunder all around you and you will shelter her until her storm passes. She will not drag you into her chaos or uproot you. When you have mastery over yourself, you will have mastery over her.

[–]Spartan1590 1 points1 points [recovered]

I can say with absolutely certainty that Roissy saved my life back in 2011. Lurking on 4chan, after being madly in love with a girl for months without reciprocation, just suffering and wanting to kill myself, until one destined anon linked to what was called at the time Citizen Renegade.

That Friday I spend my entire night going through all of his posts, squirming in agony while reading his main posts about being a beta and a nice guy. Since then, my whole mindset and world view changed, I literally own this man my life.

Imagine how many others he saved, yet there it is again, censorship stopping even more men from salvation.

[–]omega_dawg93 42 points43 points  (2 children)

don't worry about the women that are yelling for censorship... don't ever pay attention to what they're saying bc if approached by the right guy, they'll forget all that dumb shit they talk.

the REAL enemy is men... men that REFUSE to read about and accept the true nature of females. they listen to women literally, follow their advice, and wonder why they end-up in dead bedrooms, divorce-raped, or simply dead.

[–]unn4med 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Glad you mentioned it, we need to bring up how it’s the fault of beta men more often. It’s our fault more than women’s

[–]omega_dawg93 8 points9 points  (0 children)

dudes become cheerleaders for women's bullshit with the HOPE of the women rewarding them with sex.

some women do it, but many women don't. but if that's the only way those guys can get it...

[–]NuclearMelonMan 6 points7 points  (10 children)

Who is Roissy, and how do I read all that stuff?

[–]Spartan1590 1 points1 points [recovered]

Roissy is the same guy that runs Chateau Heartiste and what used to be called Citizen Renegade, you can find an archive of his posts at the sub sticky right now

[–]edge_lord_super_17 -5 points-4 points  (5 children)

Rollo Tomassi, You can find him in the sidebar

[–]BJG79 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Roissy is not Rollo. Two different people.

[–]Jussie_Mullet 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Three R's

Rollo Roissy Roosh

[–]drovid4 2 points3 points  (1 child)

where can i read some myself?

[–]timjr2500 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Found this list last week and quickly started implementing it. The passion with my new LTR just went up a notch this week when All I did was, take longer to respond, respond less, use the 2/3rds rule, throw in some uncertainty and use irrational self confidence to remind myself every girl wants me. And if anything feels wrong about this list, remember that it is to your relationships benefit, that deep down, this is exactly what a woman wants. She wants to feel that when you finally do come to her for passionate sex, that it was your choice and not your obligation.

[–]1RevolutionaryPea7 24 points25 points  (0 children)

First time reading this and it's one of the best and most succinct articles on the topic that I've ever read.

[–]DarkFunExist 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I know its annoying for you guys when women tell you that you should be very nice, but the result is not as you expected. Then the woman even leaves you confused and won't give a shit. Its seems really unfair, but its reality. She don't want to tell a man the truth about her female nature, because that means she is trying to help a man. She wants a man who can make her emotional by himself, and not by woman's help.

[–]Jussie_Mullet 7 points8 points  (1 child)

She does not know the Truth about her own female nature

[–]DarkFunExist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Great said. Thanks for correcting. She is not consiously aware of her true nature. Thats why she says she hates bad alpha guys, because its socially acceptable to say so.

[–]apskidb 13 points14 points  (2 children)

We need a heartiste archive link - the site has been taken down

[–]Truedemocracy4 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Never being afraid to loser her is easier said than done, but the rest is true. The oxymoron is when you raise your status and internalize these concepts you dont truly fall in love with women anymore - at least not in the way you used to.

being able to stay attractive to other women and having options is critical. Not so you can go around committing affairs - but that you can continue to command respect and interest. Women want to fuck men who other women want to fuck, it's that simple. Every guy I know in a dead bedroom or engage in transaction sex let them self go and became fully beta-ized to the point that they would have no option if it werent for their wife.

This is all good advice and something ALL women adhere too. This is what the red pill is about. Any of this advice shared in mainstream would be labeled sexist today. But even the most hardcore feminist want a man they cant control who can pick them up and physically have their way with them.

[–]22oregon22 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I read this once, reflected on it... and then read it again. It’s shocking how I pretty much did the exact opposite of these commandments with the first and only woman I have ever “loved” (because who the fuck even knows what that word even means). And she left me — what a shocker right? I used to despise her for what she did to me after 5 years together, but after some brutal self reflection and a year an a half of perspective I can see perspicuously. I would have left somebody like me if I was her and it’s stunning that she stuck it out for 5 years. She did the right thing, and believe me that is intensely difficult to admit for someone as prideful as myself.

This is why I love TRP philosophy. It exposes you, calls you on your bullshit, and ultimately makes you a better man. Anyways, enough of the wearisome ex-girlfriend diatribe, thanks for the masterful write up.

[–]inFlam0us 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Did they delete him cause of the Vulvo post?

[–]LogicalOlive 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Alright so who can just host a website for TRP and have it be free? Because the thing I like about Reddit is that it’s free to access while also having a clean UI. But with the recent removal of CH I don’t think TRP has that much more time on reddit.

[–]ThePermanentGuest 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Hate to say it, but as great as the blog was, Roissy has been gone for quite some time now. In the last couple of years, there was a notable shift away from classic posts and topics to an unhealthy obsession with political and racial issues. Not sure if the rumors are true about the original writer selling it off to a conglomerate of posters.

I'm really curious as to the specific instance claimed for violation.

[–]PaulAJK 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah, and the commenters were idiots as well. You'd get the odd decent game article, but then you'd have to scroll down 50 comments from fifteen commenters to see one about the content of the article. Effing dull rants about jews and and jared Kushner.

[–]jihocech 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Personal is political. You can not just diconnect from blue pill matrix in intersexual dynamics, and stay the same in political or economical issues.

[–]gabeangelo 7 points8 points  (8 children)

Flirt with other women in front of her

Nah, just stick to "be playful and charming" with other women or "making them laugh" in front of her. At least in the case of latina women they really really don't tolerate shit like being flirtatious with other women (I'm from Mexico) unless they're very submissive and passive (which mexican women tend to not be so much).

[–]TwentyEighteen 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I agree. Flirting when you have a partner is disrespectful, man or woman. But it’s good to be playful and charming with other women in a platonic way as you say.

[–]gabeangelo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Giving the impression that you have the humor and demeanour to attract other women but choosing not to do so when dating can also be incredibly powerful. It's exactly when you hold back on having sex immediately with the woman when she becomes flirtatious too, it sends the message that you can get a hold of your male urges (having sex and looking and/or flirting with other women) and that is incredibly attractive.

[–]redvelvet_oreo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ah, just stick to "be playful and charming" with other women or "making them laugh" in front of her.

Can still be considered flirting done right. Teasing another women in front for your girl and the person being teased responding back is flirting. Your girl will take notice.

You don't have to be a dick about it. It can be subtle. You don't have to act on it. Its just dread. Dread is essential. Its not the easiest thing to accept but it is essential.

At least in the case of latina women they really really don't tolerate shit like being flirtatious with other women

Stop being a bitch. I've dated Latin women. They can be more aggressive and louder about that matter but that is irrelevant. Your frame is bigger then hers. This petite behavior should not crumble you or cause you to be apologetic. Just ignore her. She will value you more for this as she will see you as high status. Her logic: "Other women want this man. I must keep him."

[–]420KUSHBUSH 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not sure if this is the angle you're coming from although if you are, glad to see someone in the comments who understands how respect and honor work while also understanding how to properly handle the situation

[–]ComplexProjection 1 point2 points  (1 child)

And as soon as you tolerate her intolerance, you are in her frame.

[–]gabeangelo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Depends on the level commitment with the woman. In monogamous RS that intolerance is expected. And btw, I (and the OP) forgot to add that this rule only applies when the woman is REALLY AND DEEPLY into you. As a "tool" or "move" to make her more attracted at the beginning od flirting is way too risky.

I recently experienced it, btw. An ex of mine found out I dated another girl and asked me out just to fuck like porn actors. She admited having done so out of jealousy and, in her words, felt this viseral need to "mark territory" (lol!)

[–]CollaterLDamage 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I hate how true these are. You follow these rules, you're gold. Being connected yet hard is difficult.

[–]Miseryboay 7 points8 points  (0 children)

One of the best posts on this sub!

[–]sacecrun 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It was an eye opener for me about reading this post. On hindsight, I've made so many mistakes.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same, bluepilled a few times lately.

But at least we can learn and improve for the next girl right?

[–]Leonidas_79 1 point2 points  (0 children)

X is the most important one for me.

They’re all insecure little girls on the inside. Tease a 10 like you would a 6

[–]Virshlee 1 points1 points [recovered]

Sexual compliments can't turn them on?

[–]omega_dawg93 17 points18 points  (4 children)

use them when you are about to have sex and during sex.

for all other times, use innuendo to your best ability. i often use analogies to cooking or the wet weather, etc. to start hinting at sex.

women aren't stupid... she'll pick-up the hints.

[–]womans_algorithm 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Wrong. Compliment her after and during sex. It's conditioning her that if she gives sex, she is rewarded. Complimenting her before sex does not increase it.

[–]omega_dawg93 12 points13 points  (1 child)

i won't say you're wrong... just depends on the woman. some women will take the compliments AFTER sex as, "i won't get compliments until AFTER we've fucked, so that's what i have to do." iow, they'll feel obligated to fuck to get the compliments; that's a turn-off.

"right before sex," builds tension... telling her how she's good at this/that, etc., while you're pushing up against her also gives her the hint of what you want her to do. and the image in her mind is about to happen so it flows. AFTER sex, she's reflecting... thinking... contemplating... and possibly worrying.

TO EACH HIS OWN... but after sex, i find that silence and just letting her drift off into sleep is best.

[–]BigThad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

While not flaging your thinking for complete bs, this mindset contradicts trp. She should be trading for sex and not you. You give her sex.

[–]cafeitalia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Instead of saying never fear to lose her, it should be never hesitate to leave her.

[–]1ozaku7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This sub is so much about recycling old material into poetry.

[–]TwentyEighteen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

VI. Keep her guessing

This one I have trouble with. I like giving direct and truthful answers

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My backup is a stunning Russian prostitute for $300. She is a 10 in looks and that's perfect for me because I am an animal and just fuck for purely physical needs. I still get girls from pub but here in Australia they're all fat now

[–]murderopolis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good and succinct list but.. VIII, "mistakes were made" is a Bill Clinton maneuver? Doesn't everyone know that this line is infamously from Reagan?

[–]linkofinsanity19 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can we put this in the sidebar? Of course, add a note that it's from Roissy so new guys can go look him up if he ever gets uncensored. This is some of the best RP advice out there and while the sidebar contains parts of this throughout the posts, this collects them all together beautiful for review.

[–]VadimDestroyer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thanks for the article bro!

[–]Shadowslight3x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely awesome post.

Something I've been failing to do is fucking well. I don't know how to improve this though. I'm just not as into sex consistently as a feel Id like to be.

How do I go about actually improving my performance in bed? I've heard of the sex God method but I don't know how to express what he talks about in the moment

[–]jonpe87 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is my Bible. Can not believe how much of an asshole I m because of it. Thanks CH.

[–]pacopenco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These are general rules of attraction that use primal instincts of scarcity, incentives conditioning and social proof.

This is not an amazing debunk of the female mind as some people seem to think.

In fact, all of these rules could equally be used by women to attract men.