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Red Pill ExampleWoman drops boyfriend because he lives frugally. Later finds out that he's a heir to a fortune based on oil. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Schrodingersdawg

Warning, extreme hamstering ahead.

http://www.redditlog.com/snapshots/1207481

https://web.archive.org/web/20141119021804/https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/2kg4c5/someone_please_help_make_sense_of_my_exboyfriends/

New link because redditlog is kill

It's amazing how, if you read her post, she completely flips the script and blames him for not telling her anything. Even though she left him because he "lacked career/life ambition", it's his fault for not revealing his wealth.

Some gems:

I have Facebook and am on it every day, usually when work is slow.

Work is slow every day? I wonder what this woman does for a living? Probably HR or some other liberal arts degree related job.

Lately my newsfeed has been filled with my peers getting married, buying houses, having babies, and other various accolades. I can't help but feel jealous by this; it seems like everyone but me is making significant gains in their lives and relationships.

Accolades. Gains. It's almost as if she's viewing this as a videogame and wants the high score.

Three weeks ago, after seeing a girl I knew from high school buy her 3rd property with her husband, it felt like my relationship with Will was juvenile and had no future.

Oh, the joys of social media. Apparently because all her friends are doing it, she decided she had to do it too! Apparently her boyfriend should be judged against her friends' boyfriends / husbands! Could you imagine how that would go over if it was the other way around. I can imagine some Jizzabel cat lady now:

"But honey, Jack's girlfriend blows him every morning." HOW DARE THIS SHITLORD COMPARE HER TO ANOTHER WOMAN? WOMAN ARE NOT JUST INTERCHANGABLE SEX OBJECTS...

after he served me potato soup for dinner and was torrenting a documentary for us to watch later

She says that to make him sound cheap, but if the dude can cook, has money, and knows how to save it instead of throwing it away and living in a perpetual cycle of credit card debt like so many Americans.

When I finished talking, he said "fine by me" and asked me to leave. I went to hug him on my way out, instead he just guided me out the door and slammed it shut behind him.

I haven't heard a fucking word from Will, even after texting him multiple times and calling him once.

Dude realizes she's not the one for him, makes a clean break. Respect to him.

To this, one friend chuckled to himself and walked away. I asked the other friend WTF

Sounds like Will's dealt a few gold diggers in his time.

If a man with disposable income meets a woman he likes, doesn't he want to treat her?

And that is an example of how widespread BP mentality has become in our world. We are to be seen as nothing more than walking wallets.

Surprisingly, the commentators rip her to shreds.


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[–]asdfghjkltyu 50 points51 points  (15 children)

All of the "I want motivated men" talk is basically just hamster for "I want someone who can earn money for me". Women will sometimes settle short term on someone who isn't currently wealthy as long as they have prospect of becoming wealthy long term. Even if he is currently a bum you can bet if they knew he'd be in a 5 figure job in 5 years time women would be lining up.

[–]CSMastermind 24 points25 points  (11 children)

5 figure job

That's not exactly an accomplishment .....

[–]sidewalkchalked 71 points72 points  (0 children)

I'm a ten-thousandaire and I disagree.

[–]trped 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Depends where you live. In Europe €60k+ is pretty good.

[–]cat-tasrophic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In Africa $60+ is pretty good.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Sorry, not everybody can get a 6 figure job.

[–]CSMastermind 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I understand that, I'm just saying 5 figures is a pretty low threshold. Making $10,000 / year is something everyone should be able to do. And not something I think people would be lining up for.

[–]1independentmale 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You'd be surprised. I see a lot of hot acquaintances on Facebook dating complete bums who are barely holding down part time jobs.

[–]CSMastermind 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Looks, Money, Status right? I'd assume they aren't dating those guys for their money.

[–]ont_anon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agreed, but no one should expect to be taken seriously if they live in a first-world country and brag about/announce that they're making a 5 figure job. I mean, yes, making $99,999/year is impressive, but most 5 figure earners aren't in that part of the stratosphere.

[–]asdfghjkltyu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think I confused the '5, 6" figures stuff.

[–]garlicextract 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're kind of a pretentious asshole aren't you, CSMastermind? I'm sure the CS stands for computer science and you'll be happy with your $100k+ job. But try not to be such a condescending asshole about it.

[–]nuesuh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends on what country/currency we're talking.

[–]Srwilliams23 0 points1 point  (1 child)

6 figures maybe? 5 figures can be made working at McDonald's

[–]kragshot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True. 10K a year is a "five-figure job."

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah I was agreeing with her about how he has no motivation and that would be turn off for me as well if a woman was that lazy - but now it's all about the money. This guy has the exact same motivation/ambition yet now she wants back in. Not a gold digger my ass.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmfao! I hadn't even realized that

[–][deleted] 360 points361 points  (44 children)

I dated him for 10 months when I thought he was penniless, proof I'm not a fucking gold-digger.

LOL! Please tell me this is a troll. How delusional can this bitch be? She proved the exact opposite of that!

He could've said something, ANYTHING during our break up when I was explaining my doubts about our relationship. Instead he said nothing, and now he refuses to talk to me. It makes absolutely no sense.

Why would he? You just outed yourself as a gold digger. What is he going to say? "Please stay with me, you're wrong, I'm filthy rich!"

This is just too good to be true. It must be a troll.

[–]Transmigratory 77 points78 points  (30 children)

Hamsters be hamsterin'.

No matter how exposed we are to them, they have the natural propensity to shock us.

[–]Position5hero 36 points37 points  (29 children)

Throw me any single situation and I'll hamster it for you, as well as a woman could, or better.

Just go ahead. Anything.

Once you spend a lot of time with women, you understand how they see the world.

This is the final step in TRP man- is learning to see through their eyes.

Once you do that- you made it. They have nothing on you at all.

[–]KaribouLouDied 17 points18 points  (26 children)

I got one:

man texted female cousin, your woman doesn't know about this cousin and thinks you are cheating.

aaaannnddd GO!

[–]1independentmale 83 points84 points  (23 children)

This actually happened to me. Wife accused me of cheating on her with my cousin. I shot back, "You have got to be fucking kidding me. Did you forget she's my COUSIN?!" She backed off but then hamstered that I must want to leave her for someone that's like my cousin because "you two get along so well."

Bitch accused me of cheating for years. I never did, true to my word I was faithful to her even though I had every reason to not be. When I finally sent her packing the truth came out, she confessed to an affair.

[–]AlphaAccountant 116 points117 points  (3 children)

Projection. She did it so you must have. I think it's a way of living with the guilt.

[–]teeelo 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Ah, if I may:

She accused him of cheating in the hidden hopes that he actually was, so he would get the blame for ending the relationship as 'The Cheater' Then she not only had an easy way out, but a back up man as well.

Very underhanded shit there.

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[–]MardGeer 42 points42 points [recovered]

so when a woman accuses you of cheating, she is likely to be cheating on you? damn dude, thats a heavy lesson, i'm gonna log that into things to look out for.

[–]alclarkey 37 points38 points  (5 children)

It's called projection. Psych 101, you are more likely to believe a person is committing a crime/injustice if you yourself are guilty of said crime.

[–]I3luee 6 points7 points  (4 children)

This seems EXTREMELY useful. Where could I read more about similar things? Thanks in advance.

[–]6footdeeponice 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Another good one to look up is confirmation bias.

It will explain a lot about yourself and those around you.

[–]TwoScoopsofDestroyer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

MIT offers all their coursework on the internet for free. Looks like they even have video lectures for the Intro to psych courses. http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/find-by-topic/#cat=socialscience&subcat=psychology

[–]Workchoices[🍰] 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Like gensyms, I didnt even finish reading the paragraph, I already knew how it ended. I actually had to go back and reread it to make sure my assumption was correct.

If a woman accuses you of cheating constantly and is always paranoid and jealous, she is either mentally ill, or cheating herself.

The hamster works like this " It's so easy for me to do it and get away with it, and things haven't been great lately [which is why I am cheating after all, I am not the bad guy here!] things must be shit because he is cheating on me!"

[–]Wraithwain 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I wish I knew these things I know now over a year ago. Experience is the best and worst teacher, and I wish I had learned these beforehand.

Might have helped save myself plenty of frustration from one particular person. Ah, regrets.

[–]systemshock869 7 points8 points  (0 children)

My dad accuses my mom of hiding money.. guess who's been actually hiding money for years?

It's a human thing.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Projection is one of the many ways a hamster alleviates guilt. If she cheats on her boyfriend, but can somehow convince herself that her boyfriend is cheating too, then her cheating is now justified in her mind.

[–]PlebDestroyer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Me to! I feel proud. Making good progress.

[–]GhostOfAladdin 2 points2 points [recovered]

She was subconsciously telling you what SHE had done.

It would be beautiful if a man could take half of a cheating wife's stuff.

[–]Buchloe 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Sometimes I worry that I'm missing opportunities to bone babes because I don't want to cheat on my girlfriend, when I might find out later she's been cheating and kick myself.

[–]kragshot 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Don't lower yourself to that level.

Stay true to yourself...that's how a real player rolls, cousin. Don't let worry about a cheating bitch change who you are. That shit is for marks and weak-sauce punks.

[–]KaribouLouDied 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've heard the ones that accuse the other of cheating often is normally the one with the story to be told.

[–]Position5hero 10 points11 points  (0 children)

What you even have to hapmster here

Nothing

'That my cousin girl I ain't trying to have kids with flippers for feet'

[–]icheah 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You don't hamster that. You escalate. If my girl tried that with me i would do everything in my power to make her feel like garbage. Lower than garbage. Fucking worm shit.

[–]1Ill_mumble_that 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even better, they'll think you are psychic. You can predict their actions and even words, before they do. Because awalt.

[–]Transmigratory 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can see things their way, yet still be amazed at how far they'll go to rationalise themselves.

[–]pcadrian 17 points17 points [recovered]

Fuck that goddigger part hamstering was absolutely hysterical. I wouldn't be surprised if this was true though. I've been on dates with a few chicks from my school lately, and they are so out of touch with reality it hurts.

[–]OsoFeo 5 points6 points  (1 child)

This is just too good to be true. It must be a troll.

There must be some hamster version of Poe's Law.

[–]ioncehadsexinapool 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not though. I witness shit like this all the time just talking to people in know. It's fucking unreal

[–]justskatedude -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I'm going to stop the circle jerk for a second. If she knew he had life ambition or security then she might have stayed with him. Does that make her a gold digger for wanting a man who has potential and instead of a man who seemingly just has a personality?

[–]1aguy01 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Does that make her a gold digger for wanting a man who has potential and instead of a man who seemingly just has a personality?

Yes. This is the kind of bitch that will be ruthless when you fall on hard times and barely give you any time to get your shit together before she starts trying to take half of what you have left so she can afford to gargle other men's cum. She wants a plow horse. She doesn't give a fuck about him.

[–]RedPill115 75 points76 points  (6 children)

Surprisingly, the commentators rip her to shreds.

She violated the golden rule of gold digger club - you never talk about gold digger club.

I think that's why she's being attacked. Had she phrased it as vague "feelings" without being obvious that it was actually money, she would have gotten support despite it actually being the same story about money.

That being said, women in general also care a lot less about money than they used to. It's easier for women to critisize other women because they don't care as much. All of the players I know - ALL of them - are either poor or have money but live like they're poor. Guys with jobs who aren't as entertaining aren't getting to be players. (Not saying it's that way everywhere).

[–]Concord_Fight 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I think that's why she's being attacked. Had she phrased it as vague "feelings" without being obvious that it was actually money, she would have gotten support despite it actually being the same story about money.

Exactly, fake or not, had she (he?) been able to frame this more about trust and lying then she would have gotten sympathizers in droves.

[–]humankin 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Seems to be about scarcity of positive attributes. BB is so common that it doesn't do shit to attract pre-wall women. How effective is AF in poor countries? I hear stories of American and European men marrying foreign women way above their native SMV. Those women could be with much more alpha men.

This has no effect on how men need to act but it could be that the specific sexual strategies used in TRP are really only applicable in the Western world even if the core insights are universally applicable e.g. hypergamy.

[–]RedPill115 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"alpha" is a term that is subjective to your environment. I don't think foreign women are looking for nearly as much sociopathic behavior as american girls are in order to rank highly on their alpha scale.

[–]HS-Thompson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Being American is like playing for the winning team. In many contexts the simple fact of being from the USA can move you up the status ladder. This shouldn't be surprising to anyone I wouldn't think.

[–]Algermas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The thing is many women from poor countries tend to be far more pragmatic, they understand acutely that they're trading their youth and beauty for his wealth and security. An American or Western European woman has no need for such an arrangement because not only can she earn her own money she has the ultimate BB to catch her if she falls, big daddy government.

Not so for a Ukrainian or Filipino woman, she either gets it right or she goes back to the family farm/streetcorner.

To be sure you still need to be a man rather than a spineless fuckwad but you don't have to give off "danger zone" vibes like you do with attractive western women.

[–]tallwheel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So much this. I wasn't surprised by the comments either.

[–]gohammer3 39 points40 points  (1 child)

Saw this on the misc, this guy knows how to weed out bitches.

[–]Position5hero 195 points196 points  (22 children)

significant gains in their lives and relationships.

Red flag : Measures her value in terms of how wealthy a man she can marry.

Anyways good for will.

Odds are he flashes the money when he wants a one night stand, and keeps it under wraps for LTR.

What a trooper

[–]erqos 169 points170 points  (12 children)

Odds are he flashes the money when he wants a one night stand, and keeps it under wraps for LTR.

TL;DR: Dude has abundance mentality because he's rich; weeds out golddiggers by serving watery potato soup for dinner and watching artsy documentaries for entertainment.

[–]KaribouLouDied 142 points142 points [recovered]

Dude's a fucking TRP genius.

[–]AlphaAccountant 17 points18 points  (10 children)

The caveat, which few have spoken about, is that, at least from her side of the story, he seems like a loser. If TRP is about bettering yourself, he clearly omits this trait, since he's already "made it".

[–][deleted] 96 points97 points  (0 children)

He drives what he likes, plays guitar and shit tests women, of which there have been more than a few.

He seems just fine to me.

[–]OsoFeo 18 points19 points  (4 children)

Who cares what she thinks? Being a man is doing what makes you happy, not your Facebook "friends".

I have a 6-year-old car that is nothing stylish but gets decent gas mileage and is great for my dogs, and most importantly, it's paid for. I own my non-mansion-sized house outright (in a decent neighborhood in a tight coastal US housing market). I don't necessarily love my job, which some might perceive as somewhat unsexy, but it pays well while having flexible hours and it beats 95% of other jobs available to most men.

In short, fuck what other people think.

[–]Redditor042 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Can I ask what your job is?

(20, and trying to find something worth striving toward)

[–]OsoFeo 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Fear of doxxing prevents me from going into specifics. In any case, I would not counsel a younger man to follow my career path (I'm 47), since by the time you acquired the necessary training and experience the market would probably be very different.

However: if you want career advice, I would recommend learning a trade that will always be needed and can't be offshored. Plumbing is a good example. This is what I really wish I had done.

Edit: outsourced -> offshored. My brain doesn't always function in the morning.

[–]no_game_player 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Counterpoint: although my field can be outsourced (offshored is more the term you're looking for here), this also gives me the freedom to look ahead to a future where I can work from anywhere. I'm not there yet, but more because of other issues with my life (currently helping out family which requires a physical presence) than because of career issues.

But I do compete in a global marketplace more so than do other fields. There's still opportunity on both sides of that though: there's plenty of cube jobs that still require butt-in-chair, and that aspect can't be offshored. I hate that shit though, so it's not the side I go for. But if a person wants a comfortable, easy job, and is willing to give up a substantial amount of their time and freedom to do so, then it's a simple route.

Different strokes for different folks.

[–]TRP-Gunsmith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

CNC Operator/Engineer. Make bank, make stuff, can work hours that fit the rest of your life because most shops worth a shit are 24/7/365 if they want to pay the bills and buy more machines. Welder is another one. If you're into the outdoors you can make a shitload doing on the spot heavy equipment repair, you just gotta be willing to go off-road and have the vehicle to do it.

[–]humankin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Done right, it's counter-signalling his relationship value.

[–]1kick6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Bettering yourself" takes many forms. In this sub, we didn't to highlight those forms with the highest odds of attracting women. For this dude, bettering himself might just be writing better code, and being a better guitar player.

[–]Ryokurin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If TRP is about bettering yourself, he clearly omits this trait, since he's already "made it".

No he's fine with who he is and what he stands for. He didn't let money change him, or as a tool to keep people around. And he clearly know's he wants someone who has a similar opinion about it. This is what Bettering yourself means, Make yourself credible and don't let someone or some thing change you.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Will is basically using the strategy I plan on using when I come into my own wealth. It's fun to see the strategy it being put to use (and to see it working perfectly).

I'm convinced that this is the only real way to live as a wealthy man whose goal it is to filter quality, self-actualizing women from the gold-digging hamster marathon runners who think of themselves as open-minded and compassionate, but who prove to be less-so when the time comes to turn words into action.

[–]jizzeel 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Odds are he flashes the money when he wants a one night stand

I doubt it.

[–]chillmonkey88 6 points7 points  (6 children)

I'm saving this post thread as my redflag checklist... I need to get away from chick's that are addicted to face fucking their phones...

Edit: yes this is how financially sound and secure people are born... inheritance or not, less is more when it comes to living and material things that guide the herd... will proves that in her description.

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[–]bigsnakejake 17 points18 points  (4 children)

I know some chicks who write the stupidest shit all the time and get at least 10 likes every time.

"I feel like watching netflix tonight."

18 likes.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Then they seriously talk about how many likes they get in person or post about it...so fucking cringeworthy

[–]1aguy01 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yea that's the most fucked up thing. I've had multiple girls just start talking about how many likes their selfies get verse how many likes their group photos get verse their posts verse random pictures and they aren't even honest, they embellish the numbers. These women are garbage.

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[–]loddfavne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I also censor women on Facebook a lot. My reason is that I got a lot of "strong" women that needs to post a lot of men-humor and statements about how strong women are. Some of them are useful in my life, so I can't unfriend them.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 483 points484 points  (172 children)

What gold digging sluts will never understand is that, usually, men are rich because they live frugal lives.

See, this is solipsism gone wild here. She looked at this man through the prism of how SHE would live her life if SHE had a bunch of money. She would be spending like a drunken sailor on designer beach condos, flashy cars, Louis Vuitton handbags, make-up, designer clothes, and a closet full of shoes. She would make it very obvious to everyone around her that she had money.

Men usually feel no such compulsions. We may splurge on a home theater or maybe a nicer car, but when a rich MAN spends money, he's spending it on things/occasions that provide utility to him. And he sure isn't spending whimsically on the desires of some slut simply because she granted access to the holes between her legs.

[–]Ojisan1 61 points62 points  (3 children)

Great quote from an old Simpsons episode, maybe early 2000s. Bill Gates was one of the characters and he said, "Hey - I didn't get rich by writing a lot of checks."

[–]JihadDerp 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Poor people sign the fronts of checks. Rich people sign the back.

[–]the10thrider 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Nah. I don't sign the back. I've got a stamp for that. ;-)

[–]widec 82 points83 points  (36 children)

And all that money the men save go towards investments, which make their fortune grow even more. I dream of one day (hopefully sooner than later) living off the interest of my investments while keeping that original capital intact.

[–]should_ 13 points14 points  (34 children)

Oof, any leads? I graduated from art school a year ago and thought business people were gross, now I'm a frugal penny-magnet reading every single investment book I can get my hands on.

[–]WindowToAlaska 8 points9 points  (20 children)

They're taking about investments like businesses and start ups where they get real equity. Idk about stocks.

[–]should_ 8 points9 points  (19 children)

Yeah that's what I meant. Not really into stocks as much as real estate and business; more reliable capital.

[–]Dathisofegypt 10 points11 points  (12 children)

I would check out r/investing. And get an account with vanguard while also contributing your max to a IRA. If your interested in investing in a startup I would look around for entrepreneurs in your area and only invest in those you truly believe in and can do background information on.

[–]should_ 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Many thanks.

I actually have an IRA account with T Rowe Price, just because their retirement stock is the lowest management fee for my target year, and Vanguard is $20/yr from what I understand. But when one's IRA reaches $10k then Vanguard waves the $20, so my game plan is to sell it and buy into Vanguard when I reach that amount, since they have consistently good funds from what I can tell.

Can't max out since I'm barely paying groceries, but I'm putting a lot a month anyway.

As you can see, I'm still learning the Law of Power where I should say less than I need to, but I'm always interested in being corrected so I can learn better, so I say everything.

[–]Schrodingersdawg[S] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

As you can see, I'm still learning the Law of Power where I should say less than I need to

Context is king. We're all here to help each other, why should we hide anything from other anonymous people who can't negatively impact our lives?

[–]should_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good point, thanks! /u/Dathisofegypt and I took it to PM mode and I'm picking his brain there.

[–]Dathisofegypt 2 points3 points  (2 children)

No problem. Bros gotta help bros or we're all fucked. But really focusing on your investment now will really pay of in the end. The more you invest now the quicker you can be free. Check out Mr. Money Mustache, he has alot of information about cutting cost so you can be financially free earlier.

[–]should_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yessss, thank you. By investment do you mean retirement / Roth IRA particularly, or do you think a combination of that and a more immediately available-to-withdraw stocks investment is the way to go? "Early Retirement through Badassity" looool I'm already hooked.

[–]should_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also I feel like I overstayed in terms of taking value, so if you want a long-winded TRP opinion on anything from an anonymous mind to yours, send me a PM and I'll deliver.

[–]twistedbrother2 0 points1 point  (5 children)

"Looking for startups to invest in" is a horrible investment strategy unless you like 99% of your choices to fail miserably and never be able to pay you back. That's the idea of someone who took watching Social Network too seriously, or that HBO show with the betas in the startup.

[–]Dathisofegypt 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Yea I can see how it would fail most people. Don't do it because you want it to make you rich. Do it because you actually support there cause. Investing in startups is extremely risky. Especially when you know only 2/10 will be making a profit after 18 months. But investing in yourself and your own dreams by starting your own startup is a good investment if you are willing to learn and work your ass off.

[–]twistedbrother2 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Lol at 2/10 you don't work with startups I take it.

[–]Dathisofegypt 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I was quoting from the well reported failure rates, and quotes from various investors.

And yea I do, I am a startup market engineer so I work with them everyday.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Investor here: my stock portfolio has killed it the last 5 years, tripling in value. My real estate portfolio has done OK--up ~30%. With some extra cash I had, I bought equity in a friend's startup; they were "in the process of selling it" for two years and eventually just gave up. Total loss of investment.

Stocks kick ass if you're not a dumbass about them.

[–]2alisonstone 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Historically stocks, on average, have higher returns than real estate with lower risk. That doesn't mean that real estate is a bad way to make money. I know people who made far more money on real estate than they can if they invested in stocks. But that it is mostly because of their labor. I have a cousin that buys crappy homes, renovates them, and then sells them. He might make 20% returns each time he does it, but the actual passive component of the returns are pretty small. I can't replicate it because I don't have his skill set and I don't have the time. I can buy a crappy home and hire people to renovate it, but then the returns will likely be far lower than the stock market with far higher risk. It's a great gig for my cousin because he is a handyman and he can create work for himself and he can do it in a tax efficient manner. But you have to recognize the difference between the actual investment portion of the returns and the labor portion.

With stocks, you don't have to do any work after you select your investment. If you are a passive investor who uses index funds, you don't have to do any work in selecting investments either. Stocks are the most common way ordinary people become wealthy and is how rich people stay wealthy.

[–]should_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is good to know, thanks for your response!

[–]orbj 3 points3 points [recovered]

if you are really serious, suffer through intro level micro and macro economics and finance courses. there are free resources available on youtube however if you are willing to shell out a few hundred or even a few thousand to sit in a classroom, it will be worth every penny. having a general idea of how an economy operates is very important.

[–]should_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice, thanks for the advice. I'll google those straight away.

[–]CrayolaS7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It really depends on where you are and stuff. In my country the short-cut to wealth is through real-estate investment because there are huge benefits in terms of taxation, that said it is still a long-term payofff. Personally I have made good money from investments in bank shares (dividends were as high as 11% of the value in 2011-2012 when the prices were still low. Now the price of the shares has increased I would make a bunch if I sold them but instead I get about 6% per year which is much better than a savings account. Now, banks in your country may be a risky investment but the point is that you should look for shares where you can make a return regardless of the markets direction. Even when there have been crashes, the market eventually recovers. As long as you aren't forced to sell when it's low you won't actually lose out just because the price decreases. (Unless the company goes bankrupt, I guess, but I'm talking blue-chips here).

As for simple things that anyone can do, make sure you savings/checking account is as cheap as possible, look for banks that reward you with bonus interest for online savings accounts, you can often get all the fees waived if you deposit something like $1000/2000 per month (your wages). Mine even gives me free withdrawals from any ATM rather than just my own bank.

Secondly, it's rarely too early to start thinking about tax minimisation. Obviously it will depend on your country/laws but it is sometimes possible to for example, have your mortgage/car-payment deducted straight from your salary by your employer. The cost of the repayment remains the same but because you never personally received it your taxable income will be reduced.

[–]Precocious_Kid 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Read "A Random Walk Down Wall Street" by Burton Malkiel. It's the intro to investing that a good deal of banks and wealth management firms require their interns/first-years to read. It'll give you a good understanding of the vehicles for wealth management you have at your disposal and it'll also help you to avoid the get rich quick kind of books.

[–]should_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice, thank you! This sounds like a particularly useful book for a lot of reasons then. It's really cheap on Amazon too.

[–]omnipedia 1 point2 points  (3 children)

You're doing the right thing. Read every investment book you can get your hands on- this is one area not to be frugal about it. A terrible book that manages to save you one bad trade will pay for itself in the saved commissions alone!

Personally I like the Timothy Vick books about warren buffet, and Mary buffets' "buffetology".

One thing to be aware of is there is a lot of nonsense out there. Diversification is kinda nonsense- assumes your an idiot throwing darts. Real estate can be good if you avoid bubble situations, look at direction of neighborhood, buy cheap not when things are hot.

When people tell you it's a bad idea, that's the time to buy. I passed on apple at less than $1 a share! If I'd put $10k in- which I had at the time- it would be $1M. Sigh.

[–]should_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much for these leads!

[–]Complecs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A friend advised me to put some money into bitcoins when they were less than a dollar a piece, had an easy 15k I could've invested. Lesson learned!

[–]Pornography_saves_li 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Art IS a business. You are doing the right thing reading all you can about business.

[–]Rainymood_XI 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Art CAN be a business (and hobby, much like investing) but it's very hard to make a nice living off of art. Because a) you want to create art you love b) if you want others to buy it, THEY must love it as well. This does not always overlap.

[–]Pornography_saves_li 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope. No more than a hair salon, or retail clothing outlet, or any otherproduct.

You want to increase your income? Learn how to sell effectively (become comfortable with the idea that the 'correct' price is the highest your clients are willing to pay.

And if they aren't willing to pay, either improve or find another line of work.

Just like any other business.

Art is both a creative process and compulsion. But like any compulsion, it either works for you, or against you.

[–]geminimini 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've always wanted to own car parks, easy to maintain, no need to hire too many staffs, and you get paid a shit load by people parking there. At least that's what I fantasized about in my head. It's probably not easy to purchase a car park.

[–]Schrodingersdawg[S] 19 points20 points  (23 children)

Exactly. Look at Warren Buffet.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some of the anecdotes in his life are so hilarious. He wouldn't waste the change for a phone call by putting in a quarter for $.05 or $.10 cost, they almost missed their flight.

[–]DumpyLips 2 points3 points  (21 children)

I'm sure you have, but have you seen his house? The dude is straight up a role model.

[–]Schrodingersdawg[S] 47 points48 points  (17 children)

"Making money was an early interest for Buffett, who sold soft drinks and had a paper route. When he was 14 years old, he invested the earnings from these endeavors in 40 acres of land, which he then rented for a profit."

My god, why was this never told to me at a younger age?

[–]needless_pickup_line 36 points37 points  (15 children)

Good luck buying 40 acres of land with money from a paper route, but I get what you're saying.

It's not too late to start now. A buddy of mine with a bio degree is having trouble finding work. Instead of being content with his current retail job he's scoping out biomedical stocks so he can invest.

[–]colovick 8 points9 points  (6 children)

40 acres in the Midwest isn't as bad as you'd think, but you definitely need to do more then paper routes... Pressure washing is a pretty good gig you can do around that age... A few hundred startup cost for equipment (you can rent it for your first gig) and people usually pay about 2 grand for 2 days worth of labor... Get a friend and you can do 1 house per day pretty easily.

[–]iwish4zombies 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Dont shoot high powered water inside your house people, leave it to the rich fucks who think its a good idea.

[–]Tsilent_Tsunami 7 points8 points  (0 children)

shoot high powered water inside your house people

I found that my house people tended to suffer performance degradation when I did this.

[–]colovick 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's mainly for stonework and driveways, but I probably could have worded that better.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (2 children)

40 acres in Nebraska where Warren lives? $13,000 if it's over the Oglala Aquifer, $7,000 if it's not. So quarter to half a million isn't as bad as you think? That's one hell of a paper route and power washing business. Maybe out in the Sandhills it's cheaper, but you can't grow shit on it, it's crap for grazing, and nobody wants to live there, so what would it be rented for?

Farther north land is cheaper, provided it's not on the shore of Lake Superior. It's between $1000 and $3000 a foot of shoreline on the big lake. Everywhere else along the lake it's sand, rocks, and trees, so land is quite cheap. Not good for much though.

[–]colovick 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It was a lot cheaper back then, but I was offering a job that could accomplish such a task. At 14, assuming your family takes care of your basic needs, some simple math: 1k per day, 5 days per week in the summer, that's 60-80k if you can stay that busy. During the school year, you can do weekends for another 80k. That's one year worth of work, which would probably need a decent size suburban area to do, but you could still buy a sizable chunk of land to do something like what he did.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If I could power wash for 1k per day, I'd be doing that. You must know some upscale people if they would pay that much. Not ripping on you or disagreeing though.

[–]PlanB_is_PlanA 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Honestly, the best investment I've made so far has been buying a house. I know, hear me out first. I'm 22, fresh out of college. Illinois gives $7,500 to first time home owners right now on top of low interest loans and only 1% down. I took a small sum of my inheritance and bought a 2 story house in Wicker Park, Chicago (a trendy upscale neighborhood). Got a fair price on the home since the market is shit. Now i live on the first floor with a roommate and collect rent from 3 other tenants. I basically live for free (rent covers mortgage, util., etc.) with another $1,000 profit on top each month. It was the best decision I've ever made. So good im looking into buying another small place to rent out. Being a slumlord is actually kind of fun anyway. Just kidding.. but seriously, it was a great investment and I encourage anybody with a bit of disposable income to do the same.

[–]needless_pickup_line 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I was looking into real estate as well. The problem is that prices in LA are very expensive. By the time you get into affordable areas, they're not very desirable.

We were looking into buying property in "up and coming" areas. Basically find shitty neighborhoods that are just starting to show promise and buying now while prices are cheap. Then in a few years after the area has been gentrified start making profit.

[–]PlanB_is_PlanA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah definitely depends on the market area your in. Chicago west side is having a sort of renaissance right now. All the hipsters are moving back and turning the predominately black crime ridden areas into nice up and coming neighborhood

Never too early to plan for the future. Good luck my reddit kin.

[–]loveallcreatures 0 points1 point  (4 children)

scope out biomedical stocks? while he's unemployeed? makes no sense.

[–]phx-au 0 points1 point  (2 children)

If you have a bit of cash you can do leveraged investment. Knowledge of his field should select the less risky of the higher ROI stocks.

[–]LeatherJacketQ 2 points2 points [recovered]

People who think that they can understand the market and make low risk/ high reward investments usually get screwed eventually. Turns out there is only low risk/low reward and high risk/high reward.

[–]phx-au 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Knowledge in a field is not going to turn things into a magical freeride, but being able to filter stocks in your field based on your secret wizard info will give you a slight edge - particularly in risk assessment - whether that is through being able to cut through the BS in investor releases, or just having buddies closer to the particular business/project.

[–]needless_pickup_line 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's employed at Target and living at home after graduation. He has another job offer lined up, but not in the sciences.

[–]1thrownaway_MGTOW 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is and yet also isn't true you know.

Yes, he still has that modest house (and old truck) when he's in Omaha... and for quite a long time that WAS all he really owned personally. But now it's maintained more as a museum like "image/myth" -- for PR purposes.

Because for like 30+ years he has also had an array of various vacation properties & condos & stuff, and rides around in limos and other stuff too... the man's not STUPID with his "frugality". (Of course he also isn't a Richard Branson style "showoff".)

[–]the10thrider 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I liked his watch better; men of his status tend to have watches that are in the stratosphere in price.

He wears a steel Rolex Day Date President. You can go into a pawn shop and buy good one for a couple thousand.

[–]2johnnight 11 points12 points  (4 children)

My savings are fuck you money. It's there for safety.

If I got fired today, I could go on for exactly 30 months (or 60 months if I went completely frugal). I actually had a lengthy period, when I survived off of the savings.

I saved this up, because I am a cheap asshole, who does rent a cheap apartment and was driving a shitty car and now uses public transport. It's a matter of personality. Buying luxury is painful for me.

Also, no college debt. Taxpayers payed for this.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

That is a very good emergency fund you got there. 30 months!

I have mine sitting at about 3. Haha. Continuing to build it though.

How long did 30 months take you to build?

[–]2johnnight 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Less than five years. It was a combination of a cheap rent (usually the biggest cost of living) and a few high payout contracts.

I guess that's because I didn't have a steady income or else I would feel comfortable spending more per month. My base income was low and I adjusted spending to it. The bonuses were high and rare, so it didn't feel safe to increase consumption, when I got them, because the next payouts were not certain.

No wife and no kids either, very cheap car.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's really good. Nice work indeed. You have inspired me.

Definitely hear you on not letting momentary increases in income throw you into a spending binge

Good stuff and thanks for the info. Will be following your path for sure.

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[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I think Chris Rock put it best when he described the difference between rich and wealthy

[–]Schrodingersdawg[S] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Better than being a stereotypical rich boy and blowing granddaddy's fortune on hookers, drugs, parties, and planes.

[–]bluedrygrass 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He risked, on the bitch part.

[–]colovick 4 points5 points  (20 children)

Investing a car payment in mutual funds averages 5m over 40 years (working lifetime). Throw in house payment and student loans and you're looking at 20m. Having the foresight to pay ahead of time and using that savings well, does in fact make you rich.

[–]LeatherJacketQ 3 points3 points [recovered]

imma need to see the math behind that one. On an average mutual fund with a historic range of 40 years.

[–]colovick 0 points1 point  (18 children)

go to any investing calculator, set the rate to 12 or 13% and contribute roughly 500 per month. See how your numbers come out.

http://www.bloomberg.com/personal-finance/calculators/retirement/

This is a pretty simple one... setting the annual contribution to $6k and rate of return to 12% gets you 4.6M, whereas 13% gets you 6M. Both at a 40 year time span. Assuming for the other figure, you have a combined mortgage and student loans of 1500 per month (really not unreasonable), that raises the annual contribution to $24000 which nets between 18 and 24M based on those same rates, which are the average rates of the market over the last 80 something years, and it's safe to say that you want to use funds that are out performing the market within their specific type of fund.

The math is solid. You don't need to follow such a plan precisely since you still need to come up with the cash for the car and house, and you have a few other things to plan for, but you can fund somewhere between those 2 figures pretty easily on a 60k per year income.

Also consider the fact that while you'll want to cut back on your risk once you hit retirement age, cutting back to 8% growth and drawing 4% (leaving enough growth to keep up with inflation), you're sill looking at drawing between 200k and 960k per year while leaving enough to setup several generations for long term wealth.

[–]LeatherJacketQ 7 points7 points [recovered]

How the fuck are you getting 12 - 13% every year for 40 years are you insane.

[–]fullanalpanic 3 points3 points [recovered]

Yeah... Over the long run, you're probably looking more at 6%, which nets you about 880k after 40 yrs. But this is all assuming a flat rate of return and doesn't factor in the fact that one really bad down year can essentially wipe out 5 years worth of earnings.

A more helpful calculator might be the firecalc, which takes all of the past 100 or so years worth of data and uses it as a forecasting tool to show you how long your money would last if you had invested it back then. It's very good for figuring out how early you can retire.

You basically put in your contribution, number of years you expect to be in retirement, how much money you expect to spend in retirement, and then the calculator sends your life through all of the best and worst times in history (essentially assuming these things will happen in the future because history repeats itself).

The goal is to get about 80% to 90% success rate, which means even in retirement you can most likely survive another Great Depression and at most maybe need to get a part time job to supplement your income.

You need about 750k by the time you are 55 or 60 to live out the remaining 30 or so years of your life on a modest 30k per year. Probably won't have any leftover for your children though...

[–]colovick 0 points1 point  (2 children)

An even spread of mutual funds between growth, growth and income, aggressive growth, and international. You should end up with about the going market rates if you pick decent funds with a long term track record.

Also, it's intellectually dishonest to say that a bad down year can wipe out 5 years of earnings. After a market crash which you're describing, the markets rebound rapidly, typically recovering to the previous values or at least very much near them.

But for sake of argument, say I'm half wrong. Investing a car payment still gets you 2.5m, which is still much more than what you're suggesting. And the full average American bills thrown in still gets you 10 million... But again, we're talking apples and oranges in terms of investing, so I doubt I'm going to convince you of anything at this point, so good luck to you.

[–]fullanalpanic 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's more dishonest to be as flippant as you are about that possibility just because you haven't been through it. I'm merely trying to curb your expectations a bit so you can figure out realistically how much money you actually need to save up. It's definitely more than a car payment if you want to get to 2.5m in 40 years because you can't assume perfect return.

To simplify things, please consider: $100 per year compounded at 10% over 5 years gets you about $672 or about 28% effective. (Please note that 10% YoY is very generous and, over long periods of time, not sustainable.)

All you need is a 10% drop (AKA a market correction), which happens a lot more often than most people should be comfortable with. A 10% drop in year 5 ($61), puts your effective gain over the last 5 years at just 8%.

Say you had a miracle and didn't get any corrections for 19 years but the market suddenly crashed in year 20. Up until year19, you were making effectively 70%. After a substantial crash, say 50% down, your effective rate of return becomes a paltry 15% and your account is back at year14 levels. You just lost 5 years of gains and contributions.

And now regarding the rebound:

You start off Year20 with $5,727.50

Market crash of 35% puts your year end balance at $3,722.87

Next year, market rebounds 35%, putting year end balance at $5,160.88. You're still short of what you ended with in Year19.

During the Great Depression, there was an 89% drop. In the Panic of 2008, the DJIA dropped 54% over 17 months. That same year, the OMX (Iceland) dropped 77% in just a week.

You simply can't outperform the market 40 years in a row and even if you do, it doesn't necessarily mean you will be making money.

Edit: fixed numbers. Did math on train with basic calc app and had bad memory. Needed Excel.

Edit2: math to account for a market quickly rebounding.

[–]colovick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again though, since the recovery post great depression, the markets have averaged 12-13%. I never said you would get above 10% ever year, since that's not possible. But the average return on the market is going to stay roughly the same since there's nothing pointing to a different result. So if you properly diversify and leave the money alone (other than changing funds if their performance drops vs. their market), you're gonna make a good return over a 40 year period.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Came here to put in firecalc link

$6000/yr for 30yrs avgs $4.3M on the market.

[–]fullanalpanic 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Hey, thanks for the link. I was on mobile. However, I don't think you used it correctly or are interpreting the results incorrectly. What are your starting numbers?

Spending: how much you expect to spend per year (living expenses + discretionary) while in retirement.

Portfolio: how much money you expect to save up by the time you retire

Years: how many years you plan on being alive after you retire.

edit: spelling

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmm, you're right, I didn't set it up correctly.

Setting it up for $6000/y for 30yrs yields $491k, not $4.3M.

[–]Spookybear_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You need to take inflation into account

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[–]KJL13 0 points1 point  (1 child)

rate of return to 12%

That's a pretty high rate to count on.

[–]colovick -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's the average annual rate for 80 something years... It'll vary some, but it's not a crazy assumption or goal

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[–]fiat_lux_ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

In the article, Buffet says that they should expect that much. "Should" unfortunately doesn't imply "would". The average investor actually barely keeps up with inflation (especially after taxes) according to DALBAR reports.

For those interested, here is an article discussing problems:

  • systematic vs lumpsum investing
  • fund fees (which is why a lot of investors just recommend index funds)
  • inflation
  • taxes

http://www.forbes.com/sites/financialfinesse/2012/06/20/why-your-investment-returns-could-be-lower-than-you-think/

It also suggests lowering expectations down to around 6-7%, but that's because most people already have such high expectations. Having looked at the DALBAR reports directly over the years, the average investors get around 2-3% return. It's pathetic. Here is a 2012 report.

I've been doing well and beating the S&P, but even then I tend to be conservative and only assume average numbers for myself at best. I sincerely hate bringing this up too often, but trp is supposedly a place of bitter truths.

[–]colovick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mutual funds. Equal spread of growth stock, growth and income, aggressive growth, and international. It's not a hard thing to setup and it's exactly what he's talking about expecting...

[–]colovick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mutual funds. Equal spread of growth stock, growth and income, aggressive growth, and international. It's not a hard thing to setup and it's exactly what he's talking about expecting...

[–]Sandkasten 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a big lesson! Living a frugal live won't make you rich. Most people won't risk their money and remain poor because they're so afraid to lose their saved up pennies.

[–]paynehouse 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Love the plurality of "holes." Lol.

[–]BoyMeetsHarem 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Me too. No, really. I do.

[–]GeneralCal 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You and OP are just hitting all the nails on the head.

What gets me about gold digger types is that they expect everyone else to act responsibly for them while they go running around spending up everyone else's hard earned cash. It's like some perverse Kim Jong Il situation, where you should be the dirt eating people of DPRK and she gets to hang out with Dennis Rodman - I mean her girlfriends - while you hear about it on state tv and pay for it with your days at work.

[–]The_Punned_It 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very relevant user name for this thread

[–]lloopy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is how lots of people think.

When I was a child, and I dreamt about having lots of money, it was always dreams of how I'd spend it. There's a song out right now about a guy who wants to be a billionaire. The entire song is how he'd quickly get rid of all of his wealth, but somehow still be wealthy.

[–]garlicextract 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great, great post - but Dan Bilzeran, RP Poster Boy, is the exact opposite of what you're saying. Maybe we should pick and choose our TPR role models more carefully.

[–]Eminiel 1 points1 points [recovered]

men usually feel no such compulsions

You can say RP men, don't delude yourself into thinking all men are frugal, financially responsible geniuses. I know many who'd show off if they were rich and I'm probably one of them. Your average nerdy guy probably won't spend his money on expensive stuff unless he's into collectibles, but someone who likes dressing nicely and buying stuff impulsively (which includes both men and women) isn't going to live a frugal life.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hence why I stressed the word "usually". Financial irresponsibility knows no gender boundaries, just as it is possible for a man to have a rationalization hamster. I'm just saying it's more common in women on both fronts.

It's also important to note that, just as in OP's example, "income" rarely equals "wealth". There are thousands of families in this country making north of six figure incomes annually; however, they choose to live in 4,000 sq ft McMansions, drop $10K for a pool in the backyard, and have a couple of Escalades in the driveway because they're trying to "out-luxury" the neighbors in their gated community. Despite all of the money they make, they're so financially extended they are still literally one missed paycheck or one job layoff away from foreclosure and/or bankruptcy.

[–]Space_Ninja 43 points44 points  (1 child)

The best part of this is that you know this woman is going to regret this for the rest of her life.

[–]1aguy01 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Haha yep. She is going to pine over this guy forever.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Original redditlog link is dead.

Here's the original link, saved via archive.today.

[–]IProbablyHaveEbola 95 points96 points  (12 children)

I smell a troll. It reads like fantasy revenge porn.

[–]doritoesNcoffee 40 points41 points  (3 children)

Yea posts like these make me think that someone on TRP just loves to go over and create 'hamsters in an overdrive' stories. Even if this particular story is not real, it has happened to someone and will continue to happen in the future.

[–]IProbablyHaveEbola 16 points17 points  (2 children)

It reads like a bad rom-com script. I can picture Matthew McConaughley in the lead role.

[–]bigsnakejake 17 points18 points  (1 child)

I was...weedin out bitches...long before anyone paid me to do it. I just liked the way it felt...

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No woman talks like that. Even gold diggers hide their intentions.

[–]Concord_Fight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On the upside, Generally you'll still get someone in the comments saying how they had a similar situation and they at least sound sincere.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Just looking at that username

[–]IProbablyHaveEbola 1 point2 points  (0 children)

WebMD says it's ebolacancer. I have about 3 minutes to live.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (2 children)

Holy Christ. This is quite telling:

Lately my newsfeed has been filled with my peers getting married, buying houses, having babies, and other various accolades

ACCOLADE?!!!! Surely she is referring to some special honor or achievement? No, just taking part in voluntary ceremonies, purchasing something that everyone purchases, and shitting out another mediocre human being that about half of the population at some point will have the capability to do.

[–]1thrownaway_MGTOW 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ACCOLADE?!!!! Surely she is referring to some special honor or achievement?

She thinks FB "likes" and comments from others about "Whoa, that's sweet!" are "accolades".

Shes like a karma-whore.

[–]tallwheel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep. For most women and some men, that's how one "wins" at life. TRP teaches that there is so much more.

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[–]DoctorWelch 26 points26 points [recovered]

She is not a gold digger, she is a woman. Can we please stop this circle jerk. She is acting like all women, if you want to say all women are gold diggers then fine by me, but I'd rather leave that term for the girls who ONLY look to date guys who have money and wouldn't even give him the time of day without it.

[–]cptspiffy 14 points14 points [recovered]

Agreed. Too often, many of you guys get into this "yeah, women suck" spiral and it's not productive at all. She's not devious or evil, she's just being what it is in her nature to be.

[–]teachbirds2fly 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yeah I feel this sub could greatly benefit from everyone knowing this. Too many post just descend into a circlejerk of hate and anger for the actions of women, it's really off putting and adds nothing.

[–]lycanthr0py 2 points2 points [recovered]

Yes, but this is a bullshit cop out. Compare it to a serial killer with frontal lobe damage. He's just being what he was naturally meant to be, it's not evil! This is called a naturalistic fallacy. The behavior by the bitch in the op is fairly termed immoral, shifty, evil etc. I agree with accepting it and not being bitter, but lets call a spade a spade.

[–]cptspiffy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My favorite analogy is to compare them to dogs. When your dog gets into the trash, you address the behavior.. but you don't hate a dog for being a dog.

It benefits a woman to seek BB; she is only trying to maximize utility as she sees it. Similarly, we are attempting to do the same, from our perspective. The more you can remove the subjective from your analysis of the situation, the better you will able to get what you want.

[–]HandsomeXan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

she's just being what it is in her nature to be.

... which is "shitty". Shitty by nature still means shitty. Typical cliche women do fucking suck. A lot. Literally and figuratively.

[–]BrothaTom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a supplemental opinion, I argue that very often, it is also (or moreso) in a women's "nurture" to act this way.

[–]nourathrowway 17 points18 points  (11 children)

She left him because he was happy with his life but she wanted to own 3 properties. She states plainly that he should have been buying her love with his money. If that aint gold digging then wtf is?

[–]DoctorWelch 27 points27 points [recovered]

She is being a woman. All women want your money, your power, your success. They all want to take part in everything you are and will dumb you if you aren't maximizing what you can be. She is no different than any other woman. This is a core part of the TRP.

If you want to say that all women are gold digging then fine, but I would rather leave that term to define a girl who only dates a man when and because he has money.

[–]tallwheel 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I would rather leave that term to define a girl who only dates a man when and because he has money.

By your own definition, she is pretty much a gold digger. She left him because he doesn't have money, and when she found out he does she pretty much wanted him back.

[–]life_manager 0 points1 point  (0 children)

More on top of what DoctorWelch said, she didn't dump him because he immediately didn't have any money, she dumped him because he did not have any future prospects for money or a career. She thought he'd be living that same lifestyle in the future, and she wanted more, that was the difference.

[–]CryptoOrchid 0 points1 point  (2 children)

If all women want money then by that definition all women are gold diggers. A good woman wants you to be the best you can be, but you don't have to be rich to have love. She clearly said something like 'wouldn't he want to be spending money on me' that's gold digger.

A woman naturally wants stability in her life eventually I think.. But that's different from what she is saying.

[–]DoctorWelch 1 points1 points [recovered]

From my perspective you're still stuck in the blue pill fantasy a bit, but we will clearly disagree on that. I simply would not expect any women to stay with me if I seemed poor and unmotivated and I don't blame her for that.

[–]CryptoOrchid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's a key difference between her saying she expects a guy to treat her Vs saying he has a lack of motivation.

[–]1aguy01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What about all the women that settle down with construction workers / fire fighters / cops that can hardly support a family. This woman is a gold digging whore.

[–]the99percent1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's not gold digging.. its hypergamy, ie women are always seeking to cash in on the best man they can whilst they still have their looks..

Put yourself in her position.. If your man isn't making any improvements, living like a poor man, too comfortable with your life, etc. As a woman, what would you do?

continue banging your head on the wall, or walk?

I don't blame her. She was missing that final vital piece of information. People are ripping her to shreds, if only others had an understanding of why she did what she did, they would be less hard on her.

[–]nourathrowway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't blame her leaving him if she was unhappy, that's fine. It's her reaction afterwards that shows her true feelings.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 0 points1 point  (1 child)

She is not a gold digger, she is a woman.

Thank you. I think it's totally legitimate to dismiss a woman who think she's entitled to some super-awesome lifestyle and resents her man who isn't able to provide it even though he works his ass off (in fact, I know several woman from several generations who are like that); and - assuming the post is legit, which quite possibly it's not - it reflects badly on her that she thinks she deserves a life similar to the highlight reel of her friends just because. But it's another thing if she doesn't want to spent her life with some lazy semi-hobo who apparently doesn't have his shit together and no plan B for the time when his websites don't generate money any longer. Of course, love might have conquered that if she had been willing to work herself for both in case his source of income runs dry, but let's be honest here - that's not how most women are wired.

His tactic is of course awesome for weeding out golddiggers, but the way he did it, he'd probably also miss out on quite a bunch of women who are decent yet foresighted enough to not marry the first guy they're into if he doesn't show any longterm potential. I mean, honestly, would you rationally want to marry a woman you were in love with, yet who you knew to have extremely poor spending habits and who would probably burn through your bank account in no time?

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[–]Endorsed ContributorDenswend 35 points36 points  (7 children)

The fact that comments are negative to OP, even in 2XC, and that I see a lot of TRP lingo and some TRP posters, makes me kinda feel weird. Just saying.

[–]through_a_ways 11 points12 points  (4 children)

I know that feel bro

it's a good feel

[–]Endorsed ContributorDenswend 19 points20 points  (3 children)

I wouldn't call it good. The less TRP overflows to, and I will use my cultural privilege to appropriate a "safe" word, toxic subreddits, the more butthurt will it generate, and in turn the more SJW (who sadly, have a significant presence on plebbit) into shutting TRP down - censorship under the guise of "hate speech".

TRP won't work on rabid SJWs, much like it wouldn't work on a religious zealot. It will work for a common average man, who is not really sure of his position in the world, and who only superficially satisfied with the answers of the current religion of "progress". 2XC is the last place one would advertise to.

[–]watersign 5 points6 points  (0 children)

this is one of those situations when even the BP betas can see through this bullshit, even the feminists.

[–]through_a_ways 3 points4 points  (1 child)

That's why it should only "overflow" in a subtle undetectable way. Through stories, anecdotes, and comments that support the basic principles of human sex differentiation (and sex differentiation in general)

[–]Schrodingersdawg[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Exactly. As the feminists slowly turned the tide by using covert methods to spread their rabid lies, so must we spread the truth.

Take their tactics, and employ it against them tenfold.

[–]abcd_z 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah. It was a little odd seeing the term "shit test" there.

[–]Misteralcala 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I replied to that thread! I want to believe it's real! I WANT TO BELIEVE!

[–]thrownaway_MGTOW 9 points9 points [recovered]

She doesn't get it... she failed HIS "shit-test" (except of course it wasn't a shit test, it was a "show me who you are" thing).

ROTFLMAO.

Also, other than the fact that he is too young, Will life sounds a hella lot like mine.

[–]Schrodingersdawg[S] 4 points5 points  (5 children)

The female equivalent would be wearing a fat suit at all times and not taking it off until marriage

[–]tallwheel 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Maybe a closer equivalent would be a decent looking woman, but who has frizzy hair and wears dumpy clothes. After you break up with her, you find out she was doing some modeling on the side, and when she tries, she actually looks smokin' hot. She just chooses to take it easy and not worry about fashion and looks too much in her private life.

[–]1thrownaway_MGTOW 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nah... that would be false. Being "frugal" is the reality of this guy, as another commenter ITT noted: that is how you get (and/or STAY) "loaded" (relatively speaking anyway) -- if you piss it away on crap then you generally don't/won't stay loaded for long.

What even this guy's friends may not be aware of is that even oil & gas rights money doesn't continue to flow forever. Will almost certainly learned to live his frugal (and easy-going) manner from his father and grandpa -- and no doubt they also advised and taught him to save up/invest for the day when that oil/gas money WILL run dry.

[–]AnotherLostCause 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The female equivalent would be acting like a typical American woman then turning into June Cleever after the marriage.

[–]Keninishna 47 points48 points  (1 child)

I ain't sayin shes a gold digger but.... she ain't datin no broke nigga

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Oomph, someone got the radio edit

[–]Honesty0504 25 points25 points [recovered]

You can definitely see TRP bleeding into other subs in some of the comments now

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

TRP ideology is just an unfiltered masculine view of modern society. Every once in a while, a woman will anger a man just enough to unveil the filter from his eyes, and his true masculinity will shine through. Sometimes it never goes back on, sometimes it does.

[–]Schrodingersdawg[S] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Will we have been the prophets of our time, brother?

[–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We even got a mention in the comments this time.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Satisfying read. I'm surprised people on TwoXChromosomes ripped into her. I thought that subreddit is all about support.

She's not gold digger on the level of V Stiviano, but she is using a typical woman trick -- using break up to get what she wants... assuming she didn't lie to lessen the gold digging-ness of her post.

This is actually an "accepted" power struggle practice according to many women, as my female friends, who were undoubtedly on my side, have suggested that pulling something like this on my girlfriend (at the time) was "okay". I didn't get it back then, but I get it now.

One thing I learned through out my dating and relationship mishaps, is that whatever you learn from women, becomes a tool that you can also use as well. Yes, this "pretend" break up trick works disgustingly well against women, because you are then speaking their language. I would say it works better against women than it works against men, because women know this is just a way to tell them how important an issue is, where men will just think WTF this chick is breaking up with me. Plus women tend to enjoy drama, and what's more dramatic then break up-make up?

IMHO of course, my personal experience is just a small subset of what's out there, so maybe I just have the luck of picking the ones that like drama.

One caveat, as with any gamble, is that you should be prepared to lose whatever it is that you are betting.

This chick didn't realize that part.

[–]tallwheel 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I especially like how she calls it a 'bad break-up', when actually, from Will's perspective it sounds like a pretty damn clean break to me. Dude showed her the door and went no contact. Sounds like a great break-up to me.

[–]Casanova-Quinn 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's a "bad breakup" in her view because she didn't get a second chance at his money.

[–]ModAerobus 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Here's a thought, why instead of breaking up with him, did you not have a sit down and talk to him about what was bothering you?

Nah shit testing is the path she chose and it totally backfired on her.

RP terminology in a default, FEMINIST, sub. Man I'm happy.

She got what she deserved. Out of respect for the woman, I hope she learns her lesson and doesn't screw up in the future. Props to Will for not being a complete idiot with his money. He kept it safe from the gold-diggers out in the world.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 8 points9 points  (0 children)

So much vicarious schadenfreude in reading this post. That's why this is getting upvoted so much. Not really very educational, but very satisfying to read. This is like porn for anger phase guys.

[–]DoctorWelch 31 points31 points [recovered]

I don't blame her at all, she is a few years away from hitting the wall and needs to know she is with someone who can provide. C'mon people this is Red Pill 101.

It's one thing to be frugal and it's another to be cheap. I mean, if he is happy doing what he is doing and that's all he wants then fine with me, nothing against him. And it seems like from his reaction to her he understands his position in life and is happy with it.

With the nature of women we can't just expect her to be happy when it seems like this dude is a poor bum with no motivation. Seems like you guys don't understand the basics and want her to be something she isn't. As long as he realizes that then everything is fine here. Nothing good or bad, just obvious. I wouldn't really say there is any hamstering going on here, just her understanding her biological need and him not showing he can fulfill it in any way.

[–]denmaur 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I agree. I think she saw a life time of potato soup for dinner and him not trying to better himself. She's probably better off anyway. People that cheap don't change.

I knew an old lawyer once who would walk three blocks from his office to make copies because he could save 5 cents per copy. And it wasn't a whole lot of copying so he probably saved 50 cents per trip on average.

[–]tallwheel 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I see this as more of an RP example than a "women behaving badly" or "hypergamy gone wild" story. Yes, you are right that it is natural for women who are nearing the wall to seek someone she knows can provide.

Thing is, feminism and the general 'you go girl' attitude created guys like Will. Dude lives how he wants, and when she told him she wanted to break it off, dude handled it like a boss. Hell, the way I see it, bitch was practically a plate and just didn't know it. I'll bet Will will be screwing another bitch in no time - if he isn't already - and he will break it off with the new bitch too as soon as she becomes no longer worth the trouble.

Yes, this is the world we now live in, so it's hard to be too surprised about the way she acted. Still, I think most of us here would have a hard time not feeling a bit of schadenfreude seeing examples like this where the old deal between the sexes is clearly crashing and burning. One may feel sorry for women in the crash, but this is the pond feminism led them to, and they all chose to drink from it. They can either try to repair the system (good luck with that) or live with the consequences of it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the same as a man finding out his girlfriend is a slut, only not with him.

[–]kombatunit 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Can a woman turn a man into a millionaire? Yes, if he starts as a billionaire.

[–]w_t_f_1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

TRP is so gripping... So about 2 years ago, I'm very close with this couple (family friends). Husband owns a small business making millions per year. Enough to send the kids to an expensive private school, buy them new cars, etc. The kids will have to work when they're older, but they always treated their kids (and family/friends) very well.

Wife? She works a fairly easy job full time, doing something she's passionate about. Her ol' boss used to let her work different hours so she'd be out of there by 3 most days.

Did I mention she did the books?

Keep in mind he's getting old and was ready to retire.

At some point ol' husband gets a tad bit suspicious when there's no money to pay the bills. How could this be? The wife had "cooked" the books up the whole time they were together.

Now, I don't know their exact financial situation at that point other than they were either in debt or had nearly nothing except the value of his business. One thing that he did mention was that she had literally hundreds of shoes in her closet that had never been worn ONCE.

Anyway, you know what's coming next. She pushed for divorce as soon as there was no more money. They got divorced, and Mr. I'm Going to Retire Soon is still working 2 years later with no end in site.

Take away? If nothing else, don't let your wife do the books.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Will's the rare type of guy who can inherit a great deal of wealth and not turn into a retard. That is discipline and true non-neediness; nearly everyone you meet will on some level care about "showing off" what they make to their GF / wife so they can feel successful. This is the level you should aspire to - in fact, if you truly want to enter relationships where you aren't the beta bucks, you have to be at this level. If you are at the point where you'd rather the relationship die than you have to play the BB role for 1 second... that is when you're ready to move on from plates to LTR.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

When I finished talking, he said "fine by me" and asked me to leave. I went to hug him on my way out, instead he just guided me out the door and slammed it shut behind him.

I haven't heard a fucking word from Will, even after texting him multiple times and calling him once.

Wow, major respect for this guy.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I've recently gotten an interesting job opportunity that is going to make my net worth sky rocket in the near future. It's gonna be really interesting to see hamsters like this coming out of the woodwork.

[–]Schrodingersdawg[S] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

It gets even better with age, some women hit that "mental wall" fear at 23 according to my older male cousins. Suddenly the fact that you're smart makes them realize how "great" you've always been. Props to them though, it's a lot easier getting off the CC at 23 than 32.

[–]ioncehadsexinapool 4 points5 points  (1 child)

care to explain that a bit more?

[–]Schrodingersdawg[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's like a facebook version of critical mass. A few friends from HS/college get married, and it drives all the other girls into wanting to get married too, and before you know but pictures are flooding facebook. This generally happens to less career driven women (nurses, teachers).

Basically? my extended family all lived in the same area so my cousins all went to the same high school. When the dudes hit 23-24, started buying homes, showed signs of stability, girls that had always ignored them started talking to them. Generally, a few marriages on facebook paved the way.

Beta bucks, but in a milder form.

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[–]2johnnight 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I can't help but feel jealous by this; it seems like everyone but me is making significant gains in their lives and relationships. Three weeks ago, after seeing a girl I knew from high school buy her 3rd property with her husband,

If a man with disposable income meets a woman he likes, doesn't he want to treat her?

I could understand treating as in buying small gifts, tokens of affection. But the way she understands male-female relations is that the man works, buys her property and these are 'significant relationship gains'. The woman does not have material success on her own. She does not work to get what she wants on life. She gets it by getting it from the man. If she can't make her man get it for her, she is jealous of the other women, who got it.

Women castigate men for feeling entitled to sex. Well, the amount of entitlement she showed here is off the charts.

[–]2IVIaskerade 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Also, she's known him for a year. I wouldn't even be thinking about marriage until 3 years in minimum.

[–]muddynips 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The truly talented ones can hide the hamster for a decade.

[–]AndrewAtrus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And this example vindicates that cautious approach.

[–]_VicBoss 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Walking wallet...rather kill myself than adopt that as an official title.

[–]amillwouldbeill 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Clearly this person is just trolling.

[–]the99percent1 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Will is mgtow. Wouldn't be surprised if he frequents TRP himself. His gym friends are pretty alpha too. If you have guy friends like that, keep them. Unlike BP men who will shame the rich guy for not spending, they know it is ultimately his choice to live his life and the bitch deserved it.

Anyways, don't be too harsh on the bitch. She was just deploying her hypergamy and her need to find a rich partner. With her ticking time clock and Wills great ability to hide his wealth, his friends not letting out how rich he is, combined with his frugal lifestyle, the bitch didn't stand a chance in recognizing the jackpot she scored.

[–]bluedrygrass 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have an immense respect and admiration for that man. He did everything perfectly.

He hid his wealth to be able to see his girlfriend's real nature. He held frame and immediately dumped her as soon as she showed how miserable and interested she really was. Slamming the door.

He never answered to her obsessive/compulsive calls. This is the cherry on the cake.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And here guys is a terrific example of a true ALPHA:

The next time I was over at Will's ... I ended the relationship ... He sat and listened to everything, seemingly unmoved by it. When I finished talking, he said "fine by me" and asked me to leave. I went to hug him on my way out, instead he just guided me out the door and slammed it shut behind him ... I haven't heard a fucking word from Will, even after texting him multiple times and calling him once.

[–]1Jaereth 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Maybe dude just realizes a fancy car and possessions won't make you happy in life.

[–]other_worlds 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To a man, being jealous of a friend's accomplishments on Facebook will drive him to be more accomplished himself.

To a woman, being jealous of a friend's accomplishments on Facebook will drive her to break up with her man, if he can't accomplish it.

The thought that she should strive to accomplish these things never even enters the consciousness of anyone in that main thread.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My step-grandpa would definitely befriend "Will". He gets mistaken for a homeless man on a daily basis, but little would you know that he is actually a multimillionaire from tobacco stock. People's (and especially women's) perception of rich people isn't what it usually turns out to be. They may seem as if they were godlike people with corrupt amounts of political power and fancy watches, but most of them (and the wisest) live just like us.

[–]Frozen_Tundra 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I dated him for 10 months when I thought he was penniless, proof I'm not a fucking gold-digger

He never took me out for fancy dinners or anything.

If a man with disposable income meets a woman he likes, doesn't he want to treat her?

He could have easily kept our relationship alive by being forthcoming (he be loaded)

Such entitlement. And gold digging. And she can't see it?

[–]2IVIaskerade 4 points5 points  (7 children)

I've always held that people with large fortunes don't necessarily spend a lot. There's a reason they have the money in the first place.

This is more true for self-made people. Lottery winners and Old Money tend to be into the extravagant stuff.

[–]mirinrustles 9 points10 points  (6 children)

In my opinion it's the new wealth and lottery winners. The old money in my area have million dollar homes and still drive Camrys. The new money are the ones with Lambos and Ferraris. Then you have the ones in homes in the 750-1000k. Those have Maseratis, Bentleys, and whatever six figure car is flashy. Signs that "you've made it" y'know?

[–]through_a_ways 4 points5 points  (5 children)

The old money in my area have million dollar homes and still drive Camrys.

I'd much rather have a nice big house than a nice car.

[–]thrownaway_MGTOW 8 points8 points [recovered]

I'd much rather have a nice big house than a nice car.

Big houses are overrated.

They're either a bitch to maintain & clean, or you have to hire staff to do it for you; same with the outside.

And for the most part they end up just being a building with a lot of empty, unused rooms. What use do you or will you really have for 7 bedrooms? If you don't have lots of kids, then where's the value? Plan on having a lot of parasitic house guests? Using them as servants quarters for a live in valet or maid or chauffeur?

No? Well then they'll basically end up just being rooms to store shit in.

The same thing kind of happens with a lot of the other rooms in big houses, the formal dining room; again unless you have a large family or plan on giving "upscale dinner parties" (and seriously who actually does that anymore? I know quite a few people who have large homes with formal dining rooms, and they don't do that -- the rooms simply don't get used... the rare occasions when they do have a "party", they either do it at some rented hall with catering... or they grill out on the patio/deck and maybe the "sun-room" or "Florida-room" as it is sometimes called).

Face it, if you're like most people, the REAL reason you have fantasies about "a nice BIG house" is that you think it would impress OTHER people (i.e. look at me, and how successful I am with my big dick erm, I mean my big mansion-like house). You've never really envisioned what it would be like living in one of the things on a daily basis.

[–]through_a_ways 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Face it, if you're like most people, the REAL reason you have fantasies about "a nice BIG house" is that you think it would impress OTHER people (i.e. look at me, and how successful I am with my big dick erm, I mean my big mansion-like house).

lolwut. Sounds like someone's projecting.

I just like having a lot of space, it doesn't need to be a mansion.

[–]1thrownaway_MGTOW 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lolwut. Sounds like someone's projecting.

Nope, not at all. I actually own and am extremely happy with (having lived in it now for nearly a decade and a half) a relatively modest house (purposely sought out in exactly that form) -- and even that arguably has wasted room that encourages/enables "junk storage" that I would probably be better off without.

I am simply observing what people (especially women, but alas many men as well) "fantasize" about, and what (when they can get the ridiculous credit-derived funds) they all too often actually buy/build -- which ends up mostly as an expensive and fancy "facade" (literally), what the real estate industry refers to as "curb appeal" -- and then a lot of empty (and oversized) rooms to store unused junk & collect dust.

I just like having a lot of space, it doesn't need to be a mansion.

Except that "a lot of space" for a single individual (or even a couple) -- especially with modern appliances and conveniences -- really doesn't require that the house be very "big" at all; in fact anything beyond 500 to 1,000 sq ft of "house-living" space per person is simply wasted... it's only "value" is ostentation & vanity, it has zero utility.

And BIG houses happen when rooms get multiplied and then ridiculously oversized (i.e. the fairly recent trend to have a massive "master bedrooms" {planing multiple dangerous liason style orgies are we?} and commercial-sized or mansion-like kitchens with oversized separate dining rooms as well as parlors & gaming rooms, etc: useful for all of those really large catered parties that you won't actually be hosting, and of course entirely necessary for the bevy of live-in house-servants to work in to craft the daily feed for the on-site estate-workers to maintain the massive grounds, gardens, and carriage house & horses, as well as the various associated rental farms and fields that you won't have; not to mention providing daily meals for the large, extended, multi-generation family of grandparents, multiple siblings, plus the collection of a dozen or more children that will not be living with you).

[–]thebornotaku 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'd much rather have a modest but nice home, and a few proper nice cars.

Granted, cars are my passion. If I had my way, my garage would rival Jay Leno's.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd rather have a modest house and a reliable but cheap-as-shit car and my trusty ol' Ninja 250.

In 2008 I was still a poor university student while working full time. By 2010 my income had doubled. At this time it's doubled since then.

I've still never owned a car. I still never eat out. I'm a biologist now, but I still split expenses living with my brother and my living expenses are so low they're almost negligible.

I live frugally and I'm pretty utilitarian. I don't purchase anything I don't use.

I spend money on karaoke bars but most of my other hobbies are cheap/free (performing music, gardening, hiking, camping, rock-climbing, etc).

At this time I have zero plans to buy a car until I start having children.

Oh, and I don't pay for dates. When I take a girl out, I take her out while I do something that I would already be doing anyway (those hobbies above). I cook the food and bring the food I cook instead of eating out. I bring the drinks.

If the date pans out, I had a great time. If the date sucks, I still had a great fucking time and just don't take the girl out again.

At this point I just ask myself: what can I even spend money on that I would want? After buying a desktop PC and a Ninja 250 there's nothing else I can think of to buy.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I hope this is fake. If it's real then this girl is a bitch. She dumps him, and now she's butthurt that he didn't tell her that he's fucking minted, but he kept his mouth shut. Good for this guy. I wish I won the lottery if only so I could pull a stunt like this. I love how she's upset that he's not upset about the break-up:

He could've said something, ANYTHING during our break up when I was explaining my doubts about our relationship. Instead he said nothing,

What the fuck should he have said? "Please, don't dump me! Stay with me! I'M RICH!"

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What the fuck should he have said?

don't you know that he was obligated to spend that money on her?

If a man with disposable income meets a woman he likes, doesn't he want to treat her?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does this woman realise how entitled she sounds? Even if he had opened his wallet more often, I bet my ass she'd have come to expect it. She probably would have proposed to him.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

LOVE stories like this. The ownage is priceless.

[–]sikballa 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Wow commenters ripped her to shreads. GJ TwoX you just might be on the right path.

[–]Iupvoteforknowledge 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Cept all the commenters are dudes.

[–]sikballa 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Female readers of TwoX find themselves unable to hamster out of their way through this mess and stayed silent?

[–]Iupvoteforknowledge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Perhaps. I didn't think of that.

[–]getfuckingreal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's nice to see the others on 2X calling her out as a gold-digger.

[–]zephyr141 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mmm dude creamy potato soup with spam. Now that is delicious.

[–]-Strider 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Man, I love Will. This is how wealthy guys should deal with women (well, if it's a LTR you want). Sounds like a good guy. Of course, if you're not after a LTR and just sex, you can pretty easily have a nice stream of gold diggers, get them in then out, if you know how to deal with them

[–]skoobled 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He's probably intentionally frugal so as to weed out gold digging friends/women. I'm sure if you're loaded and deeper than a puddle then this must be a constant problem. In this case guy did well, props to him. Clearly loaded and smart, what more could a guy need?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How can she be annoyed when she broke off the relationship? If she was going to stay if he explained the money he had, then she as just with him for his cash. If she actually liked him then she wouldn't care about his finance. Some day he will likely get married to some nice woman who doesn't know about the oil and likes him for him, and she will be very pleasantly surprised.

[–]Dishmayhem 2 points3 points  (0 children)

this is just beautiful. her hamster must be dizzy in that wheel

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I actually agreed with her somewhat until she dropped this fucking line: "If a man with disposable income meets a woman he likes, doesn't he want to treat her?"

yes honey, it really was all about money to you

[–]relish-tranya 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Many rich people stay rich because they don't throw it all into lifestyle.

[–]Newdist2 11 points12 points  (51 children)

Seems fake, shitty morality tale.

Also, and downvote me for this if you like, it's reasonable for a woman to care about the financial status of a potential future husband. He doesn't need to be a oil heir, but he needs to have a plan for how they are going to afford health insurance for their kids and live in a good neighborhood.

[–]Schrodingersdawg[S] 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Thing is, she didn't seem to ask him about any of this, she just decided it was over and told him.

[–]Telly_Valentino 1 point2 points  (49 children)

Totally. The circle jerking in this thread is fucking ridiculous. People in here are not thinking critically or being rational.

As if having money is a good reason to sit on your ass and do nearly nothing. Moreover, this jerkoff isn't redpill in any way other than the fact that told her to hit the bricks when she complained.

He should still be living an awesome life, whether he does it frugally or not.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Who is saying he doesn't have an awesome life?

[–]Rpalt 6 points7 points  (3 children)

He should still be living an awesome life, whether he does it frugally or not.

We know nothing about his life aside from her biased version, think about it critically. She's burnt, trying to justify herself. We won't hear about the fun they had, we hear about him being a homebody. She says it herself that when they started he liked getting out and hiking, pre-drinks before clubbing and walks.

Living an awesome life is subjective. I am sure things I find entertaining would be different from what you find entertaining.

[–]Telly_Valentino 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Ok, so it seems that the evidence you have is that she's likely lying. Maybe she is, but to consider it a forgone conclusion is absolutely not an example of critical thinking. And if he liked going on hikes "in the beginning", that's proof that he's not handling his business.

That's not good enough. She also described him as shy. This guy is a beta. And listen, that's fine. TRP isn't for everybody. But we don't need to be his white knights just because some dumb broad got whiny. They are both fucksticks IMO.

This sub needs to stop acting like the cunty ass feminists who champion any woman who's in an adverserial situation with a man. This is just the mirror image of that and This kind of shit makes me ashamed to count myself among the people here.

I can only assume that those that share your opinion have a completely distorted view of the fundamental aspects of TRP.

[–]Rpalt 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's not good enough. She also described him as shy. This guy is a beta. And listen, that's fine. TRP isn't for everybody. But we don't need to be his white knights just because some dumb broad got whiny. They are both fucksticks IMO.

Again, that's you using something subjective as a measuring stick and making pretty huge assumptions based solely off what a jaded female is saying. I'm not defending how the guy acts/treats his own money. That's entirely on him.

YOU how ever proceded to tear the guy to shreds because of the bitching of a hamster and then tell everyone else they're not critically thinking?

[–]tallwheel 3 points4 points  (9 children)

He should still be living an awesome life

Sounds like he was to me. How do you know he isn't happy as fuck? Look at the way he handled the break-up. Dude sounds pretty damn secure in his life the way it is, bitch or no bitch.

[–]bitchdantkillmyvibe 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Who are you to say his life isn't awesome? Just because he doesn't piss away his fortune on materialistic bullshit like a spoilt teenager with their dad's credit card? The dude sounds like he has very firm ideas on what makes him happy and what he enjoys and... guess what... they don't happen to involve much money. They usually don't. Dude sounds like a solid bloke.

A woman can be concerned about pursuing a relationship with a guy she thinks is uninspired or unambitious, but she sure as hell shouldn't get all indignant when he cuts her shallow ass out of his life when she dumps him without any conversation surrounding her concerns.

There is no circlejerk here - god people love to use that word to shut down conversation and people's opinions. If this story is true, it's pretty obvious this guy lives what many on here consider a 'red pill' lifestyle. TRP has very little to do with money. Go back to the sidebar.

[–]justatwinkle 1 point2 points  (1 child)

But if she was only concerned about his lack of ambition, it wouldn't matter to her that he had a large amount of money because he simply inherited it. Maybe the guy is a loser, but that isn't really the point. It's that she thinks somehow he owed her some of his money while they were dating even if he didn't enjoy doing those things.

[–]Telly_Valentino 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. I don't disagree with any of that. I'm only defending her choice of dumping him. Im not saying he should've spent that dough on her. The sentiment here seems to be that he was in the right just cuz he had money and the woman turned out to be shady.

I'm not even saying he's some kinda bad person. I'm only saying that in light of this subreddit, he's subpar.

[–]nourathrowway -1 points0 points  (23 children)

I think you're missing the point. He was happy as-is. She could have worked hard and made a lot of money regardless of him. She had no apparent reason to think he was in dire financial straits (obv cause he wasnt).

Her specific commentary wasnt "i loved him and want him back if we can be financially-secure /r/frugaltards together". Her criticism was very specifically "he should have been spending all his money on ME!"

[–]Telly_Valentino 1 point2 points  (22 children)

On the contrary, I think you're the one missing the point. You're having some lapses in logic with the points you're making. For example, you claim that she had no apparent reason to think he was in dire straits because, in your words, "cause he wasn't". Do you think that makes sense?

As far as being happy as-is, fine. But his as-is seemed very blue pill. So why should she accept a pussy blue pill? She described him as shy. That's beta as fuck.

Furthermore, your opinions are indicative of someone who's not only missed the point in this particular story, but you don't seem to even understand TRP as a whole. This forum shouldn't be a place where men come to complain about women and be passive aggressive. That's so disgustingly blue pill, it turns my fucking stomach.

It's immasculating behavior and I find it pathetic.

[–]KettleMeetPot 2 points3 points  (19 children)

I've got wealthy friends who are "shy". They're not really, and are alphas. They pretend to be "shy" and are frugal because they don't want their money to attract women, they want to attract women who like them for them. The way he just let her go was alpha as well. He just walked her to the door and peaced out. Look how insane you're getting here, I bet if a chick turns you down or doesn't text you immediately after you text her you lose your shit. You're acting beta as fuck kiddo.

Moral of the story is, guy wasn't worried about money, was doing wtf he wanted to do and how he wanted to do it. Chick wasn't happy because her friends were doing all types of shit new money people do and were flashy with it, and she wanted that, figured she would never get it, broke up with him, found out he had no worries as far as finances go, and is pissy about it.

You're bad at TRP brah, go home.

[–]Telly_Valentino -1 points0 points  (5 children)

So I strongly emphasize that TRP is not about being a pussy via complaining about women and you construe that as me being the type to complain about women?

You're a straight up bullshitter. You don't even believe that. You're just trying to insult me because you're emotional.

PS - Extra points for hamstering like a woman with concepts like "I have friends that are shy but they're not". Oh holy fuck. That's priceless. They are or they are not. You're bullshitting again.

[–]KettleMeetPot 1 point2 points  (4 children)

You can be an alpha and still want a monogamous long term relationship. Don't use TRP to validate your manwhoring. Any idiot with a few bucks can go rent a hooker for a night, that's what betas do because they can't pull tail without money. If he was such a beta, he wouldn't have pulled tail, then let it go clean and scott free. You're lost brah, no worries.

[–]Telly_Valentino -2 points-1 points  (12 children)

Oh shit. I forgot you said these alphas want women "to like them for them". If you don't realize that is the opposite of TRP, you don't understand this place at all.

[–]KettleMeetPot 2 points3 points  (11 children)

So you'd rather be a beta and women want to bang you for your money, or poor and an alpha, and women wanting to fuck you simply because you're an alpha?

I'm thinking YOU don't get TRP. Because that's your whole argument.

[–]Telly_Valentino -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And Jesus fucking Christ, did you just use a false dilemma fallacy in your argument against me?

"Either be beta and fuck chicks because I have money or be broke and fuck chicks because I'm alpha". Those are the 2 choices you're pretending exist? You need to be more honest. You should be ashamed of yourself for this Mickey Mouse bullshit you're throwing at me.

[–]sirolf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Scrolling down this far reading (mostly) the same dumb shit, hoping for someone with some sense... you! Thanks for bringing balance, brains and respect to the table.

[–]nourathrowway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By dire straits I mean he wasn't having hus car repo'd, he wasn't getting harassed by bill collectors, wasn't begging her for money, etc.

He was living comfortably and securely, but that wasn't good enough for her. She wanted a more extravagant lifestyle "like her friends". She wouldn't have stayed with him even knowing he was rich, because he wasn't spending it on her.

I'm not sure what him being beta has to do with anything here. The point is how she misdescribes her situation and feels entitled enough to his money to whine on Reddit about it.

[–]evafha 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I work in a field that serves some really rich folks as clients (billionaires and hundred-millionaires) and you can tell that the ones who met their wives before they got rich are extremely loyal husbands and don't hire identical twin prostitutes or anything, since their wives are the only person in the world who isn't looking for a handout from them. And the ones who weren't married before they got rich, are always suspicious of women like this guy in the OP's story rightly was.

Why do you think Mark Zuckerberg wifed up Priscilla? Why does Eminem keep getting back together with Kim even though that relationship clearly doesn't work? Because they're the only women who they can ever be sure loved them for who they are, not their money or status.

[–]Mechbiscuit 5 points5 points [recovered]

Okay, this one pissed me off. TRP doctrine fundamentally believes that AF BB. In fact, the entire theory revolves around the idea. But, when a woman, surprise surprise, confirms the theory, it's quoted like it's a finger pointing contest.

Jesus fucking Christ guys. I fully accept the theory of hypergamy. We all do. In this instance we know that she's lying to herself and looking for a way to justify that she isn't a gold digger when she is.

Either TRP needs to accept that there are double standards and shut the fuck up about it, or not. In the latter instance I'll be leaving the community because in that context this sub is about masturbation of the ego and not self improvement. Any in-between is contributing to a feminist like circle jerk that makes it us vs them.

I say feminist like because that's what feminists do. They say "They have it soo much better. We have it soo much worse!" It's a self defeating thing to say. You are making TRP into this bullshit victim mentality that points to vaginas to say "see! See! They're all like that! Aren't they terrible! Men are not like this!"

We.

Are.

Men.

We are better than that. Men do not blame a scorpion for stinging a frog because it's in its nature. We accept the fact and move on because that's the only way we can better ourselves.

If you dwell on the advantage women have, you lose. Simple as. Do not waste time nodding in confirmation about how this bitch is whining out of the loss of a fucking fortune. You gain nothing.

[–]tallwheel 1 point2 points  (3 children)

So then we shouldn't post RP examples in this sub? (Keep in mind, there's a flare for it.) And we aren't allowed to have a bit of schadenfreude when we see TRP confirmed?

[–]cthulhucumsicle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The whiny bitching is OTT in this one though.

[–]Mechbiscuit 0 points0 points [recovered]

So then we shouldn't post RP examples in this sub?

I like field reports and articles. They tend to be interesting stories and entertaining to boot.

It's more the dickwagging that goes on with posts like this one.

And we aren't allowed to have a bit of schadenfreude when we see TRP confirmed?

A certain kind of person enjoys the misfortune of others.

[–]ab_roller 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But this is like a field report told from the perspective of the hamster. It all helps to cement redpill theory.

[–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ya we do.

Then we get blacklights so we can see ALL the scorpions.

Then we kill ALL of them that are in our way.

We gain everything now: we learn the pattern so we can eliminate EVERY threat instead of acting blindly one at a time.

[–]cthulhucumsicle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dudes don't want to hear it.

[–]1iluminatiNYC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm thinking this is a troll post, but either way, this is gold. While I wouldn't say she was a straight up gold digger, at least in a traditional way, she was looking for a meal ticket. He did the right thing.

[–]LoveUnderWill 1 point2 points  (1 child)

To quote the great Biz Markie: "Damn it feels good to see people up on it!"

[–]The_Americano 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would do things slightly different than this guy but regardless this guy is winning at life. At the end of the day he seems happy and has firm boundaries and doesn't get stepped on/taken advantage of. A strong handshake where ever he may be,carry on...

[–]superyay 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Taking bets on her calling him and crying about how sorry she is and how she wants to get back together.

[–]oleksey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"lacked career/life ambition" - That's a good reason for woman. I wound't try to explain everything with logic. Women are emotionally driven. She felt unsure about their future, she felt unsecure with him. That's the reason. At least I think so and this is my opinion. And yeah, I am not going to argue or discuss it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

With prior boyfriends, we'd still talk or text a bit after we'd be broken up. Sometimes we'd even still hook up.

This is important. Most women don't view a breakup as the end of a relationship because they are so used to being able to throw themselves at their ex boyfriends and use sex to get back together. This leads them to view a breakup as an ultimatum they can use to force a guy's hand.

[–]Diabolo_Advocato 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is fake, 100%. I am sure something similar to it has happened at least once, but seriously not this troll post.

The account is 22 hours old and didn't even bother to try to disguise it as a throwaway like a vast majority of others, nor is it a legit account due to obvious reasons.

Anyone who believes this troll-bait needs to figure out how to think critically and understand what they are reading.

[–]LS_D 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is par for the course

i grew up amongst a bunch of 'will's' and if one thing is certain, it's that goldiggers are not welcome ...

this dude is what you'd classify as "Sigma"

the Alpha's hate him coz they can't understand his confidence! The girls love him for the same reason! lol

and IF they want to talk about 'love' ... well, 'love' is right now, not 'later', so don't be banging on about 'later' IF you're truly 'in love'

I actually know people who have committed suicide becoz they couldn't find 'real' friends outside of their 'rich friends' peer group!

[–]Walktillyoucrawl 1 point2 points  (3 children)

What if this dude really just isn't that rich.

[–]Schrodingersdawg[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Then even worse because of how badly she's hamstering over his perceived wealth

[–]1thrownaway_MGTOW 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On the actual scale of things, he probably isn't very rich -- he's almost certainly not "Warren Buffett" or "Bill Gates" rich -- he has some decent (maybe even high 6 figure) passive income that he's inherited.

And he is apparently living accordingly (investing, and living a care-free, comfortable, but slightly frugal manner) -- in other words he's engaging in a rather pragmatic manner with a nice passive income flow (which probably won't last forever).

In a certain sense, she is/was correct -- he ISN'T "ambitious" in the sense that she is, and they DO want different things in life -- she wants to "climb" a social/economic ladder and to post status updates and get "accolades" about it by comparing her own progress versus her friends. She'll probably never be satisfied, because she will always be comparing herself to others (and there will always be someone else who has more in some manner).

By contrast, he's found (an in many ways been "gifted" with) a nice satisfying life -- he doesn't HAVE to work, and he doesn't seem all that concerned with trying to impress others or compare himself with them. So in that sense, his "ambition" is more to continue to enjoy life in a relaxed peaceful manner; it doesn't mean he won't EVER become passionate about something, but OTOH he isn't driven by some neurotic need to seek validation of himself through it.

Which is actually far more sensible to my mind. He's probably pretty happy with where he is at... why people (the kind who are going to therapists, reading self-improvement books, and popping all kinds of pills in order to try to be "happy") think there is something wrong with that... well who gives a shit what they think?

[–]2alisonstone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's actually quite possible that he only has an above average amount of income. His friend says "more than my salary in a quarter". So it depends on what his friend makes. Maybe his friend makes $40k/year, so this dude makes $160k. Chances are Will's friends are not exactly high income earners because it would be unlikely that they would have met Will (ex: engineers tend to meet other engineers through school and work, Will is a musician that doesn't eat at nice places, his friends are probably similar except that they don't have the big inheritance). $160k is pretty good, but not enough to buy 3 houses and nice cars.

Also, that oil field doesn't last forever. At some point, it'll run dry. Oil prices have been very high in the past few years, but recently it has plunged to a multi-year low. Depending on how the rights/royalties work, the checks might not come if the oil company decides it is not profitable to drill at current prices. If he inherited such a volatile source of wealth, you can bet that his parents and grandparents taught him how to manage it. Rich kids are typically not the spoiled brat stereotype you see on TV.

He's probably at a level where he realizes it doesn't make sense for him to bust his ass to make money, but he knows he can't just piss it away because he needs it to last his lifetime and he probably wants to leave some to his kids.

[–]Ududude 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The girl has a point. If he does the bare minimum at his job, if he never talks about his desire to attain x position or gain x skill set, then that's a warning sign and she may be in the right for breaking up with him. I wouldn't marry a girl who doesn't clean up around the house or have a job just because "oh, well she actually has a secret legion of nannies and is a millionaire".

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, but she didn't discuss it with him, except to break up.

[–]I3luee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I partially agree with the woman.

Yes, she's 80-90% a gold digger, but the fact that after abour 1 year she decided to end the relationship because it didn't go anywhere; well I find this logical.

I ended my previous relationship because it felt like a hassle, it wasn't going anywhere and I knew I could get someone better that would want to improve both herself and motivate me also.

She was facing a complacent guy that seemed like a schmuck that had no goal, ambition, dreams, etc (which is what TRP is promoting you to have).

The way I see it, she genuinely liked him, but she saw that his SMV was stagnating/ degrading due to the same routine/ behavior/ etc.

I kinda believe it was his fault for being a boring lazy ass guy (that's how she makes him sound). OR he's so intelligent (and stupid) that he shittested her for almost 1 year and that eventually drove her away.

Hell if my whole relationship would be/ feel like a shitttest, I'd give it up in 1 month tops.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is very inspirational. Thanks for the post, OP.

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[–]Schrodingersdawg[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Possibly because he had already established them as true friends and that he valued them enough to let them know? For all we know, he might've been planning to show her the check the night she dumped him.

[–]1thrownaway_MGTOW 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Possibly because he had already established them as true friends and that he valued them enough to let them know? For all we know, he might've been planning to show her the check the night she dumped him.

Or had she talked to him along the lines of "I want to have a future with you, but I'm concerned about finances... how would we manage, pay for kids, etc. while still letting you live the life you enjoy."

And done it WITHOUT the ultimatim/shit-test of "Oh, and I've already decided to break up with you because you're such a luzer!"

Then he might have considered letting her see behind the proverbial curtain, and letting her know (at least partially) that he had some "passive income" and investments that she need not worry about the future.

Which if she really was into HIM -- as who he already was/is -- that would/should have been sufficient.

[–]cthulhucumsicle 0 points1 point  (1 child)

"Really into HIM" - look at the romantic here. Thought hypergamy and AWALT was the established facts of this subreddit.

Agreed through that she needed to be direct, "I'm thinking kids, kids need more than potato soup, how will we manage?"

Edit - Typo

[–]1thrownaway_MGTOW 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thought hypergamy and AWALT was the established facts of this subreddit.

It's the overly-simplistic dogmatic view yes.

It is true in the sense that AWALT & hypergame are applicable to the vast majority of women that are indoctrinated and/or buy into feminist mantra stuff -- which is 99.99999% of those who remain available into their 20's and 30's (much less beyond), and of course also applies to a significant percentage of the ones who got "hitched" prior.

But the purported NAWALT "unicorns" actually do exist -- it's just that they get hunted and captured and taken off the market VERY early -- typically long before they reach college, and they become increasingly rare after that.

Then of course there is the "confirmation bias" of the fact that those few who do exist will generally either be corrupted by "online" dating, or else be appalled by and entirely avoid those things -- giving the very real impression that they do not exist at all (because there is no obvious evidence of them).

Agreed through that she needed to be direct, "I'm thinking kids, kids need more than potato soup, how will we manage?"

IF that was her actual concern, then yes she would have framed it that way.

But in this case (as in the overwhelming majority of others), that really wasn't her concern -- it's simply a faux-justification that she attempts (vainly) to tack on top of her actual "status" seeking rationale.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God dammit I hate it when women are like this

later on who will tell the hordes of betas to stop one upping each other to death and ruining everything for their pedestal pussy? fucking noone.

which means all the more LMS for a guy who hates bullshit even more strongly than the next one to pass the bar.

well guess you can't blame them, the few ones who have a screw loose and don't have the gold digging instinct (had a girl literally explain it to me in terms of "feeling like a woman" one time) don't reproduce with the alphas hence get slowly eroded from the genepool (which is a puddle of shit by now if any of you geeky short asian guys feel inferior to some BBC wielding drug dealer , remember that its just a string of organic acids you’ll freely edit in 20 years)

[–]reiduh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jack is a lucky man. Sounds like he knows how to take care of a lady, too.

[–]kanaduhisfruityeh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's why money always comes before bitches. Women will reject you if you have no money. Women will take all your money or expect you to live a lifestyle you can't afford to impress them. Then when your money is all gone they'll drop you like a hot potato and go suck and fuck the next fake high-roller who is going broke to try to impress them. You end up broke and broken hearted with no money and no women.

That's why it is better to put money first before women. If one woman leaves you cause you don't want to waste money on her it doesn't matter. Because you can get money without women. And once you have money you can get a whole bunch of new women to replace the old one(s).

[–]joshw220 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My grandpa is crazy rich, but lives cheep. My dad said how do you think he got so rich. Most responsible rich people will come off as poor and many smart ones will not tell women of their wealth so they can find true love. I saw a relationship advice things about a year ago where the guy had millions and was driving a honda hatchback and got married and it wasn't till like 6 months after the marriage the girl found out he was loaded.

[–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He sat and listened to everything, seemingly unmoved by it. When I finished talking, he said "fine by me" and asked me to leave. I went to hug him on my way out, instead he just guided me out the door and slammed it shut behind him.

Dude handled that like a boss. The only part I might change is the door slam, cause that comes off a little needy and angry. On the other hand, maybe he just did it for emphasis so that she knew he was serious.

I'll handle my next break up pretty much the same way. As I learned from Rollo, having a willingness to break up at any time is advantageous in a relationship. When my GF starts talking about being unsatisfied, or wanting to break up, and she becomes more trouble than she's worth, I will calmly show her the door and next her.

[–]DoraNijoku 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All I can say when I saw the posts is R.I.P. her Karma! XD

[–]clear_lights 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holy shit, what a ridiculous thread. Some women are just real pieces of work.

I love how she's trying to find a light in the darkness of it all. The way his friends reacted was the nail in the coffin.

Gold digging bitch got what she deserves.

[–]Doomsday_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This dude is fucking brilliant. He knows he could flash around his wealth and score easy pussy, but instead he screens hard for a woman who will be satisfied with him alone.

[–]GeneralTry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait , I really want to read her reaction to finding out he was a multi millionaire

[–]Syn3rgetic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the best thing ive read all day.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Did he take her back? I really hope he didn't cause he can have probably any other chick he wants now.

[–]Polite_Insults 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not if he cleanly broke up like he did. Not to mention he could always have someone he wanted but thats not the point. He wants someone real not a gold digger and she was acting it.

[–]dgillz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My favorite RP post ever. Many thanks.

[–]Stinkfished 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wish I were based like Will.

[–]leethal59 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol what a comedy goldmine. Loved every response

[–]J2501 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I could tell that same story with a bunch of girls =D

[–]Malachhamavet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's nice to see one of us make it out before the child anchor stage sets in and you are tied together at the quantum level.

[–]theJFKshow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have Facebook and am on it every day, usually when work is slow. Lately my newsfeed has been filled with my peers getting married, buying houses, having babies, and other various accolades. I can't help but feel jealous by this; it seems like everyone but me is making significant gains in their lives and relationships. Three weeks ago, after seeing a girl I knew from high school buy her 3rd property with her husband, it felt like my relationship with Will was juvenile and had no future.

Blah. Makes me fucking cringe.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The man hiding his value is a trope of storytelling, so much so that she needs to step back and see who she is in this Grimm's Fairy Tale.

[–]draketton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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[–]Hrodrik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm hard at the justice and the replies in that. I want to meet and congratulate Will.