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Want a powerful voice? Here is how. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by oooKenshiooo

Head: I am a vocal coach. I help you improve your voice.

Body:

Human beings are social animals. As we evolved as a species, violence as has experienced diminishing returns as a means to climb the social hierarchy. Communication has taken it's place as our primary means of both applying and defending against force.

Even in todays time, the most meaningful conversations are held via verbal communication. Hence, developing a practical, powerful way of speaking is incredibly beneficial to anyone trying to achieve anything in life.

I have worked as a vocal coach for over 10 years now. I have taught hundreds of students and I have identified a variety of very common mistakes and the most applyable techniques to have them counterblanced.

Part I - Your voice is probably just fine. The science.

It is a hard-to-kill cliché that women prefer deep voices in men. While studies have shown that women do indeed prefer deeper voices more high pitched ones, that conclusion in pretty monodimensional and the studies conclusions are not necessarily applicable to real life.

Why?

Because pitch is only one dimension of the human voice. There are several more: Pronounciation of vowels, volume, melody of speech, timbre, overtones, airflow.

How they relate to eachother is more important than any factor on its own. A deep pitch is worthless if you have a lisp and talk like a proverbial faggot. You are much better off optimizing all your vocal dimensions into the top 20% range than focusing on talking in the lowest pitch possible.

Also, while pitch does indeed vary about more than an octave, most (western) voice pitches (95%) are clustered around within 4 half-tone-steps - between G2 and A#2, which is the range of the baritone.

99% of people do not even hear pitch objectively. They can only do it with a note of reference. Which means they will hear when your voice raises in pitch relative to your normal speaking pitch - but they won't be able to tell, how deep your voice actually is.

Chances are, you will do amazing once you learn a few basics.

Part II - Naturals vs. professionals - Let's look at a few examples.

Since people are really bad at recognizing pitch, it comes to no surprise that a lot of the actors mentioned on Imdb's list "Actors with a deep powerful voice" do not actually have deep voices. Quite a lot of them have voices of low average pitch, but good projection - that means good enunciation, rich overtones and a relaxed vocal apparatus.

James Earl JonesWhile he is often the first actor to come to mind when people think "deep voice", the iconic voice of darth vader isn't actually THAT deep. However, it is DARK AS FUCK. In "Empire" and "Return" Vader mostly talks on a G2 or F#2 respectively. Which is about the lower average of men. And you can often hear him struggle to still reach a rich pronounciation. This would make him a low baritone. However, in recent years, his voice lowered a little and is now at F2.In other movies, JEJ prefered to speak at a higher pitch, because it gave him more wiggle room to emphasize his rich, dark timbre.

Remember: A voice can have a dark timbre, but still be high in pitch. And vice versa. A lot of man have deep voices with light timbres - be it because of nature of nurture.

Sir Christopher LeeHeir of Charlemagne, servant of Sauron and former secret agent Christopher Lee is a man with a deep voice. But it is still only slightly below average, with a speaking pitch of F#2 of F2. He maxes out the darker colors of his timbre by almost singing some of his lines in LOTR. Unless you are an old british guy and an actual knight, I do not suggest you do that. (His wizard rival Ian McKellen has a deeper voice, btw.)

Sir Sean ConneryAnother knight of her majesty and prototype of badassery usually speaks around G2 - but he is very relaxed when he does, which adds natural dark overtones to his timbre.

Relaxation improves richness.

Kevin Michael RichardsonWhile mostly known for his voice-over work and some minor roles, Richardson has an ACTUAL deep voice, and you can tell by how effortlessly he reaches the low registers. He is a bass. He speaks on a D2, which is way deeper that most men. There is no way to fake this.

Benedict CumberbatchWhile often know for his deep voice, Benedict Cumberbatch is a master of vocal projection and speaks on a G2, which is low average. He achieves this with a relaxed jaw, spot-on enunciation and a lot of confidence.

As you can see, some men with pitches only slighty below average managed to growl their way into being perceived as having some of the lowest and most powerful voices.

You can at least work yourself towards always having the best voice in the room.

Part III - An error corrected is progress achieved. Common mistakes and how to solve them.

Before you make any attempts and actively improving your voice, you should stop making the most common errors. It will put you ahead in the game more than anything else.

Poor posture:While lifting can fix your posture pretty well, it can also leave you stiff as a board, constricting your airflow. Do some basic yoga to get more flexibility - especially the upward dog pose.

Tight jaw, wrong jaw position:

Most people have tense jaw muscles and their jaw is too far in the back, giving them a slight overbite. Instead, while in a relaxed position, the tips of your front teeth should touch slighty - with the tip of your tongue resting gently on the gums behind your upper front teeth.

Assume this jaw posture whenever possible. It also improves your jawline.

Bad breathing:Chances are, you are not breathing deep enough. However, the human voice is much like a pipe, and it needs sufficient airflow to project sound at its full capacity.

In order to inhale properly, you belly button should rise, not your chest nor your shoulders. When you exhale to speak, you should do so actively and with intent.

Now, here is the kicker: The muscle that brought your belly button forward during inhaling, your diaphragm, should STILL be slighty active when exhaling.

Imagine your belly button still protruding forward while you speak.

Bad cadence:A lot of men with great vocal genetics shoot themselves in the feet by talking in a subserviant, womanish manner.

Everything they say sounds like a question, even if it is a statement.

Just stop it, work on your frame.

Wrong pitch:A lot of people speak way to high within their vocal range. Their natural pitch may be a G2, but they speak at a C3, which is not only way to high, but sounds a lot weaker than a man with a high voice who naturally speaks at C3.

Most men do this so they can be heard better, since our ears are more sensitive to higher pitches. However, this comes at the cost of not being taken serious. It is better to learn proper projection.

Part IV - How to optimize your voice? Train your body.

Everything you say should sound natural.

So you should spend as little time as possible thinking about HOW to talk.

Therefore you should invest some time in training your body to sound good without any effort.

Much like a trained dancer does not constantly think about his posture. It is just his way of being.

Breathing exercises:Do yoga, learn deep breathing, use the Wym Hof method, do meditation

Supporting musculature:

- Lean your back against a wall, tuck your chin. Push off the wall so only the back of your head touches the structure. Keep your chin tucked. This should stretch your neck.

- Do some easy yoga routines and lift weights to fix your posture

- learn how to do a proper squat

- do pull-ups

Jaw and tongue:Have the tips of your front teeth gently touch. Press your tongue firmly against the roof of your mouth. Breathe through your nose and into your belly. Do this whenever possible. It will train your tongue and relax your jaw. It may even uncramp your neck, give you a better jawline and keep your from snoring.

Seriously, this exercise is solid gold.

Fascial muscles:Put a cork in your mouth, assume the relaxed jaw posture and practise reading some text out loud. Make it as clear as possible. Take out the cork and read the text out loud again. Go back and forth a few times. You actually do this on the way to a date or a meeting, or when preparing a presentation. It will work wonders.

Projection:Your brain always calculates what you need to do, to have your voice heard across a certain distance.

It will automatically change the pitch, tone and volume of your voice accordingly. However, there is another system in your psyche - the social inhibitor - which will reel all of that precious projection of power back in.

That is why you need frame and/or IDGAF attitude to properly project your voice.

To train projection, put the cork back in your mouth.Pick a few objects in the room. They should you be between 2 and 10 feet away. Now say a few common words to them - but say them with intent.

Say "hi" to your doorknob, for example.

Adress each object individually and look at it with intent. Work your way from the farthest object to the closest. Then repeat the drill without the cork. You should do this drill with a variety of phrases you use often, like "hi", "goodbye", "thank you", "excuse me", "fuck you", "AWALT" or whatever.

Cadence:In order to achieve control over your cadence, you need to overwrite your behavioral patterns. You can play a game: Do not ask questions for a whole day. You are only allowed to make statements without an uptick in pitch at the end. The only exception: You can make a statement and add "...,yes?" to the end of it.

Part V - How to train

If you want to achieve great results, I suggest you actively train 5-10 minutes every other day. Remember to apply the principles whenever you can. Do a minute of the cork-exercise whenever you intend to make a phone call or send a voice message. You will be amazed at how good you sound within a few weeks and it will do wonders for your confidence.

It is okay if your jaw muscles hurt a bit. But be aware that excessive jaw training may destabilize the joint during the recovery period. Be extra careful if you have any prior conditions.

Part IV - Questions and troubleshooting

I decided to collect questions from the thread and have them answered in the OP

Nasality

Question : How do you get rid of nasality?

Nasality usually has two components. 1. Inability to control the soft pallet. 2. Poor volume and compensation thereof by raising the speaking pitch.The fix: Build frame, do all the body fixes. Then pronounce all the vowels, try to project them through your mouth. Close your nose, repeat the vowels. They should sound the same with closed and open nose. If you can not do that, add an explosive consonant (d, b, p, g, k) to every vowel. Explosive consonants force you to close your soft pallet, thereby directing the sound through your mouth. Try to keep your pallet closed for most of you talking, barring those sounds that need to be nasal (m, n, ng)

Jaw / Mewing

[Jaw exercise] Sounds like Mewing. Google Dr. Mike Mew. He's a dentist who recommends this

That is exactly what this is based off. I modified his approach a little for improved voice projection.

Volume vs. Timbre

Do you have any advice on improving projection/volume without raising the pitch so much?

Think of your voice like a house. Your speaking voice is your ground floor. Each floor consists of five notes. In your case your ground floor would be D2-A2. Talking on any note within you groundfloor is fine, as long as your inflections do not go above A2. Talking on G2 would result in your pitch entering the "second floor" whenever using an upward inflection, which then makes you sound weak.My advice would be to work on eliminating most upward inflections and doing the exercises mentioned above. You voice will drop naturally.

My voice volume/strength is very low. Is there a way to increase it without actually yelling from top of my lungs. Like some exercices that can be done to improve it?

Do the exercises mentioned above. You do not need to increase volume by much, because volume is raw energy. You need to create richness and timbre. Timbre is refined energy.

I have a decently deep enough voice, but nobody ever hears me- I do not have one of those pay attention commanding voices. It doesn't make the room rumble or reverberate even when I go deep, if that makes sense.

Do the exercises mentioned above. You are not creating enough overtones.

Pitch vs timbre

What is pitch and timbre, and how do they differ from "deepness" of voice?

By User u/wow_much_profit:

All natural sounds are made up of multiple frequencies.

Pitch is the dominant frequency with the highest amplitude when you naturally speaking.

Timbre is the accompanying harmonic frequencies beside the main one. That is what create the richness of your voice.

Nature vs. nurture

Curious if your study has yielded any data regarding whether men raised by women (limited masculine involvement in youth) results in a young man developing a feminized voice?

I have some theories about that. I can usually hear in people wether they were a mommy's or daddy's boy/girl and wether parents got divorced before the teenage years of the person. It's a nice parlor trick.

There is only two ways in which young men develope manly speech patterns. Either there is a positive male role model in their lifes, or they forced into a masculine role by their surroundings and had to cope. If there is a weak father, no father or a tyrannical father, it will lead to feminized speaking patterns.

On that note: Deep, hoarse voices in women are a surefire indicator for daddy issues. Clear, bell-like voices are an indicator for positively feminine women.

Edit: Thank you guys, I did not expect this one to become my most successful post on TRP, yet. I will keep adding your questions to part VI and hunt down spelling errors.


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[–]GardenofBeden 74 points75 points  (9 children)

As a guy with a naturally deep voice I tend to think about everything I say and how I say it to ensure I’m heard clearly. This couldn’t have come at a better time. When I was younger I got so frustrated I’d just keep quiet most times, now I borderline yell at all times. Solid actionable advice.

[–]1Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ 8 points9 points  (5 children)

I don't care if youre Obama or Brad Pitt, if you have noting to say you might as well be mute.

Hitler when he spoke people listened to him and when he didint, they listened even more. It's not the pitch or depth of the voice but the meaning behind your words.

[–]oooKenshiooo[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Hitler had to bordeline yell in most of his speeches because of the technical limitations of the time. He carved an identity out of that and gave his speeches the impression of being emotionally passionate about his topic, which made the yelling very congruent.

However, his voice was actually pretty smooth when he was more relaxed.

[–]AnalZorro69 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well he also had a personal doctor inject him methamphetamine and other drugs multiple times a day, so there's that too ':D

[–]logicalthinker1 1 point2 points  (2 children)

what are you even trying to say lol?

[–]1Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ 4 points5 points  (1 child)

All those big smiles you see on TV stare into the abyss of meaningless.

[–]FuckMichaelMcCoy 0 points1 point  (2 children)

This can be interpreted as attention seeking (needy) behavior by girls. You know the whole “loudest dog in the room” saying.

[–]GardenofBeden 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Haha that was a little exaggeration. I adjust for context.

Side note though, this is for personal improvement. Not super concerned about what a girl thinks of my volume.

[–]kazi6898 0 points1 point  (0 children)

nah girls do for attention. guys would do to maintain attractiveness/ saying less while taken serious and respected

[–][deleted] 83 points84 points  (0 children)

All this advice is A++, seconded as someone who once worked as a singer at the wildly successful [redacted redacted redacted].

But seriously, this requires DAILY maintenance. You cannot just read this article and chuck it straight into your fuckarounditis folder.

[–]baeslick 20 points21 points  (8 children)

I find that by telling the truth, your tonal voice reverberates in such a way that you are more naturally attuned to, so your voice naturally lowers because you don't have to lie and that brings your pitch right up to your face. I know it sounds crazy, but I've tested it out, and Mark Twain was right, "Tell the truth and you don't have to remember anything." But that also has the added benefit of allowing your speech to be flowing and accurate, to your credit this list is fantastic, and I would love more posts like this. Just be honest people, this is TRP after all. Peace!

[–]stirringlion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Doesn’t sound crazy at all! Preach!

[–]_PM_ME_UR_LINGERIE_ 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Thats great and all, but Mark Twain also said, "There once was a black man named Nigger Jim".

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 15 points16 points  (2 children)

And?

[–]lobstergenocide 6 points7 points  (0 children)

and DASS RAYCISS

[–]ETRossier 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s a reference to a bit by Louis C K

[–]ReformSociety -1 points0 points  (1 child)

and?

[–]ETRossier 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s a reference to a bit by Louis C K

[–]SKRedPill 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Question : How do you get rid of nasality?

[–]BrutalBuccaneer 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Block your nose with fingers and say a sentence. Project the voice from mouth and imagine you're throwing arrows or as OP said talking to someone far away. Breathing from belly is crucial here.

[–]Bear-With-Bit 41 points42 points  (8 children)

The other week I went to a comedy club and a skinnyfat manlet Asian dude had a bit: "if you're white, all your sentences are questions?" I can't do justice to his bit here but he just nailed the point of how too many people -- both men and women -- are not fucking assertive when they should be.

Statements, at the ending, should not sound like questions.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Are you Australian? I've noticed most Aussies speak like this.

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[–]frooschnate 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This shit pisses me off. They even write like this.

[–]GreenBarbers 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I started to notice the same thing after reading this post.

Two hours ago I hit the gym and I focused on the timbre of my voice: all the statements I did talking to other mates sounded like interrogative questions.

I think this post is truly amazing, since has just helped me to notice how my speaking timbre is too childish and sounds like Mickey Mouse.

[–]Casanova-Quinn 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is known as "uptalk". It tends to be more common among women, particularly Kardashian wannabes. Which is why it makes men really seem feminine if they speak like that.

[–]TheTrenTrannyTrain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought that was just how Valley girls speak.

[–]WishIWasAMuppet 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Tried to Gold, was shut down. Ty for this. Full homo.

[–]lobstergenocide 9 points10 points  (0 children)

lmao why would you give money to reddit

[–]BrutalBuccaneer 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Jaw and tongue: Have the tips of your front teeth gently touch. Press your tongue firmly against the roof of your mouth. Breath through your nose and into your belly. Do this whenever possible. It will train your tongue and relax your jaw. It may even uncramp your neck, give you a better jawline and keep your from snoring. Seriously, this exercise is solid gold.

Sounds like Mewing

Google Dr. Mike Mew. He's a dentist who recommends this

[–]MarcosDomingues 9 points10 points  (0 children)

He's not a dentist lol, he was even expelled from the orthodontic british society.

Dentists focus on aligning the teeth directly at all costs, doesn't matter if they fuck up your facial structure.

Orthotropists like Mike Mew align your teeth indirectly while focusing on your facial structure, by making your jaws grow the right away.

[–]Casanova-Quinn 1 point2 points  (1 child)

FYI mewing does not work past puberty because the bones become too hard.

[–]Pato3010 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Bones in your head never fuse, it still works past puberty but might take longer.

[–]1embracingtheredpill 12 points13 points  (1 child)

As someone with a deep voice, it always bothered me that people couldn't see that James Earl Jones, Morgan Freeman etc didn't have deep voices, they had rich voices, clear, full of timbre, projected.

This was good advice. Thank you. Especially the part about speaking at a higher pitch to be able to be heard clearly. Enunciation and learning projection took me much farther.

[–]Appex1 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This post is gold! Ever since I got redpilled and wanted to come off as more masculine, I would lower my pitch, which actually sounds unnatural. And whenever I would talk to someone, I would actually come off as shy because I was too aware of how I was sounding.

[–]360NoSnooper 8 points9 points  (1 child)

So the teeth should be one over the other touching (tip to tip), not the bottom ones just slightly at the back of the upper ones? Aaking, because dentists say, that is the right position.

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[–]_PM_ME_UR_LINGERIE_ 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Anyone know of an android equivalent?

[–]oooKenshiooo[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Take lessons, ask your teacher wether you can record the session. One session might be enough if ou keep practicing.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

But I thought you were some sort of mechanic?

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[–]pollodustino 1 point2 points  (2 children)

If you work at a Chrysler dealer I'm going to be a little weirded out. I've been wrenching full time for eleven years, ten at Chrysler, and sang in my high choir as a second tenor/baritone and still love singing though I haven't done it professionally or in a group for a long time.

[–]UpperRedSide 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Heard of Blain’s Farm & Fleet? It’s a fleet franchise that’s pretty big in the Midwest.

[–]pollodustino 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nope, I'm a SoCal boy. Furthest east I've been is Austin. I work for a government fleet now, working on Fords, small equipment, and Class 3 trucks and trailers instead of Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep.

[–]Ferg_NZ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ahhh....the old fallacy of if you are a then you cannot be b. Well done to you sir!

[–]Marcozy14 7 points8 points  (1 child)

would be awesome if there was a video with above info so that we can actually hear the examples, as well as read this.

[–]oooKenshiooo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'll think about it, if this post makes sidebar. :D

[–]zyqkvx 4 points5 points  (3 children)

By chance I just read this article about Freddie Mercury. It supports what OP is saying.

Link

Excerpt:

ROCK legend Freddie Mercury had an unusual "growling" singing technique that gave him one of the most distinctive voices in music, research has shown. But claims that the Queen singer had an extraordinary range spanning four octaves could not be substantiated by scientists.

The study found that Mercury, who died in 1991, was a natural baritone and had a voice range that was "normal for a healthy adult".

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

This is the only time you’ll ever hear me say “fuck science.”

Freddie Mercury Vocal Range Samples https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R5vTjdOTMGE

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[–]oooKenshiooo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do have almost four octaves, but most of that is not applicable to singing. The highest octave is almost useless for most applications.

It was pretty much the same with Freddie: While he was able to squeeze out some incredibly high notes most of what made him a good singer was a smooth transition between his mid-high and high range, a rich bouquet of overtones and his enigmatic stage persona.

If you want to hear four usable octaves, listen to this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y42yS6_WKK8&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR2yZpKqfAJL3y8-6GlgNst77PHh42cKHx89tnqbq12wS8dn49KuRyDA5ws

Funny: He has a pretty deep speaking voice.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Fun fact: Your brain always calculates what you need to do, to have your voice heard across a certain distance. It will automatically change the pitch, tone and volume of your voice accordingly.

Wouldn't this be counterproductive? Isn't the more powerful voice always preferred? More attractive, warn about predators, maybe scare them off, communicate over larger distance?

However, there is another system in your psyche - the social inhibitor - which will reel all of that precious projection of power back in.That is why you need frame and/or IDGAF attitude to properly project your voice.

That I can confirm from testing. Feeling not sure will make your voice weaker even if you exercised exactly for this type of situation.

Cadence: In order to achieve control over your cadence, you need to overwrite your behavioral patterns. You can play a game: Do not ask questions for a whole day. You are only allowed to make statements without an uptick in pitch at the end. The only exception: You can make a statement and add "...,yes?" to the end of it. You can do that, yes?

From experience and testing I can add that while doing this exercise you should try to add subcontext to your words. The way to add subcontext is to think about something else (desired subcontext) while saying something else, e.g say "hi my name is james" but you're thinking about "how would having sex with her look like".

[–]oooKenshiooo[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wouldn't this [raising pitch, tone and volume over distance] be counterproductive? Isn't the more powerful voice always preferred? More attractive, warn about predators, maybe scare them off, communicate over larger distance?

For communication, the voice best heard always preferred. Crying babies do not sound pleasant, but we can hear them with great ease. Creating overtones in the most sensitive range of human hearing costs far less energy than raising overall volume. It can also be sustained longer without risk of damage to the vocal chords. Which is why babies can cry for hours without damage to their vocal chords.

[–]jeunpeun99 0 points1 point  (1 child)

to think about something else (desired subcontext) while saying something else

Is the reason to do this to create yourself indifferent of a reaction about your statement? Like you don't expect a reaction.
Could you elaborate a bit about how you do/achieve this?

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The reason to do this is to create subcontext. IOW you're saying "the prices of rice in china went up" but communicating your sexual intent. The overt content of the message vs the actual thing you're conveying.

Picture a girl you like, now imagine you're fucking her. You feel arousal. Now say "the prices of chine went up" while thinking about fucking her.

[–]Managicall 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"Put a cork in your mouth" no wonder I always find myself staring at peoples mouths when they give awful speeches.

[–]HS-Thompson 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Good post. Also I would say that for about 97.4% of the guys reading this who feel like they don't have "impressive" voices, they should also start by speaking way, way, way more slowly than they are used to.

Weak and insecure men talk too fast because they're not confident that they're holding everyone's attention and want to avoid leaving any spaces for people to jump in.

[–]youngandaspire 4 points5 points  (3 children)

The Orthotropics guy says the correct tongue posture is the pushing the back of the tongue up. Thoughts?

[–]oooKenshiooo[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

For facial growth, yes. For speaking, no. Pushing the back of the tongue up will create pressure on your vocal system. Just don't do it whilst speaking. Do it when you sit in front of the computer.

[–]FinancialElephant 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This doesnt contradict that. They both say to keep the tongue against the roof of the mouth and the tip before the front teeth. Mew also emphasizes keeping the posterior third up against the soft palate for better forward maxilla growth and palate expansion.

[–]tryintofly 3 points4 points  (7 children)

What is pitch and timbre, and how do they differ from "deepness" of voice? I have a decently deep enough voice, but nobody ever hears me- I do not have one of those pay attention commanding voices. It doesn't make the room rumble or reverberate even when I go deep, if that makes sense.

Someone like Thomas Hayden Church or Harrison Ford don't have especially dark voices, but when they speak on tv the walls rattle. I don't know how to do this.

[–]Wow_Much_Profit 3 points4 points  (6 children)

All natural sounds are made up of multiple frequencies. Take a look at this photo: https://goo.gl/images/QH4v8g

As you can see, there are blue, green, pink, and yellow represent 4 individual signals with different frequencies. When you speak, your voice produce more frequencies than what you see on the graph.

Pitch is the dominant frequency with the highest amplitude when you naturally speaking.

Timbre is the accompanying harmonic frequencies beside the main one. That is what create the richness of your voice.

Listen to this 20 Hz - 20 KHz sine wave: https://youtu.be/qNf9nzvnd1k

There are 2 things to note here. First is that it sound really flat, because there is only one frequency in the sound. It will sound richer as you add more frequencies into the mix. Think of an orchestra, each instrument produces its own unique harmonic frequency. As you combine all the instruments together, it create a much more complex sound than for example a single guitar. Second is as you increase the frequency, the pitch become higher. A person with a deeper voice speak in a lower frequency.

When somebody say to project and improve the “richness” of your voice, it literally mean add more frequencies to your voice and increase it amplitude.

Hope that helps clear some confusion.

[–]oooKenshiooo[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Would you mind if I add this to the original post?

[–]Wow_Much_Profit 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Go ahead. I’m glad my comment can be of help.

[–]tryintofly 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Thanks. What would I do to increase the "bass" of my voice that would make the rumble, and project it/make it stand out? I can go deep, but being louder just makes me higher.

[–]Wow_Much_Profit 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I will take an analogy of guitar. If you know anything about this instrument, there are different thickness in the strings. When you apply a strum to all the strings, they all sound difference because that same force make the thicker heavier string to vibrate slower (low frequency, lower pitch) and thinner lighter string to vibrate faster (high frequency, higher pitch).

I personally don’t know much about the inner working of vocal cords, but I imagine same principle applies. Your neck muscle is not strong enough to generate a stronger bass as it physically unable to do so. That same energy produces by your throat can make a high pitch to be louder way easier. As a result, when you try to be more projected (louder), your body automatically switch to produce higher frequency.

Therefore, best thing you probably could do is training your vocal chords. Maybe follow some exercises on YouTube or follow OP recommendation. The most important thing is to practice at that lower pitch. When you struggle, just try to keep your voice at that pitch, do not try to cheat by shift it to higher pitch. Overtime, it definitely will improve but all things take time and dedications. People go to the gym 4-5 times a week to really see results. Do the same thing with your voice. However, realize that we all have our range and limitation. Don’t beat yourself up if you unable to get there, but I believe we all can get pretty far with proper training.

Best of luck to you.

[–]chrisname 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thicker strings don’t vibrate slower, looser ones do. When you tune a guitar you change the tightness of the strings, not the thickness. The thickness of the strings allows them to be looser and still make a sound.

Thicker vocal cords could vibrate slower and make a sound, but making them looser (relaxing the throat) is what makes your voice deeper.

[–]DancesWithPugs 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have been saying AWALT to a doorknob all day and still haven't gotten laid

[–]j__p__ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Holy crap, my tongue unconsciously has been resting at the bottom of my mouth for as long as I can remember and I just tried lightly touching my front teeth and moving my tongue to the top and I can immediately feel the difference in my breathing. Appreciate the post bro

[–]1Kurush559 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This was great - especially the practical breathing exercises you mentioned. Quick question - I speak naturally at a D2-D#2 which is so low that I find myself raising it to around G2 because people find is so damn hard to hear my natural voice; whenever I project, I instinctively raise my pitch too. Do you have any advice on improving projection/volume without raising the pitch so much?

[–]oooKenshiooo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I added your question to OP.

[–]Run_Che 1 point2 points  (1 child)

My voice volume/strength is very low. Is there a way to increase it without actually yelling from top of my lungs. Like some exercices that can be done to improve it?

[–]oooKenshiooo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I added your question to the OP.

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[–]oooKenshiooo[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

rhotacism

Pretend you are from Japan?

Have you considered seeing a speech therapist? Do you have the same impediment while singing?

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[–]oooKenshiooo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You should consider seeing one again. Even if you don't fix the "r", you will still improve your speech.

[–]SocialPowerPlayer 1 point2 points  (2 children)

How do you remove a Indian accent?

[–]B_llCl_nton_sARap_st 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I will refer to this as I develop my voice.

Curious if your study has yielded any data regarding whether men raised by women (limited masculine involvement in youth) results in a young man developing a feminized voice?

[–]rockyp32 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have a pretty deep Voice and I used to have a really bad problem with mumbling and speaking softly. Sometimes I still mumble a bit and I just feel like my voice isn’t optimized. I can feel my voice traveling far but when I hear it in recordings you can’t properly hear all of my words. What can I do???? These come from Partly due to not having a masculine role model and a weakish stepdad from 9 years old to now 19. Also was bullied and pretty much raised by a single mother after 9 years old(weak father figure). Really suprised to see mewing in here it’s getting very popular but it’s essential for proper posture and proper functioning. It afffects your breathing a lot and how your face grows as well as your body posture and your voice. Good post!

[–]someonesopinion6969 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This post would be great, if most of us communicated like actual humans instead of having to write everything out

[–]farendsofcontrast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very good and helpful thread. Thank you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Do you have any more information about the jaw & tongue exercise? Does it have a name I can search? Interested in reading a bit more about it.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yeeeeah.. but nah. Trust, but verify.. otherwise you're liable to be the guy that falls for recharging your iPhone in the microwave.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perfect, thanks bro. Googling now.

[–]MatrixofLe3adership 0 points1 point  (16 children)

I've heard many people recommend "Wim Hof method" but very few actually able to explain it. The method itself seems to be a program you pay for.

So far I've found 1 breathing technique, something about cold showers, and whole lot of people patting themselves on the back feeling good about themselves.

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[–]MatrixofLe3adership 0 points1 point  (12 children)

I've been doing the morning breathing and it feels great for the rest of the day. He recommends gradual cold exposure in the shower. Do you follow that?

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[–]MatrixofLe3adership 0 points1 point  (10 children)

This was very helpful. The water in my shower feels like liquid nitrogen so gradual exposure will be good. Once I'm acclimated I don't have a problem staying under...except when I'm letting it run over my head.

I'll be honest, some of the videos rub me the wrong way similar to the NoFap betas and the chapter in 48 Laws. The benefits seem so great I can't complain.You may have seen my original comment I was acting like a little bitch. So thanks for the response.

Feel free to rant on the benefits. I'll update you in a week. Search up "redpill truthers" in the Nofap sub and you'll see the post that sent me to TRP and the then-newly-published Glossary post in the sidebar.

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[–]MatrixofLe3adership 0 points1 point  (8 children)

  • I do 3 rounds of breathing and get b/w 2-4 minutes. Hopefully that reaches 3-5+ min. Considering the Pareto Principle (last 20% benefits will take 80% effort) I feel the 4th round not worth it at first. Starting today I will get consistent with the cold showers.

  • Don't kick yourself for lack of cold water. That's outside your control, and if the cost-benefit isn't worth it...well time is valuable and there are other good things to do.


I think the breathing is certainly more than just meditation. Even if noticeable changes don't materialize, they're probably still there. Permit me to quote a book about one of my favorite fictional characters:

(When I first read this author Timothy Zahn, I was shocked that my pleasure fiction would contain actual good content. Later realized the guy has a doctorate in Physics.)

 Many of those skilled in technological warfare believe that physical training and discipline are unnecessary. With turbolasers, hyperdrives, armor plating, and the mental resources to direct them, muscular strength and agility are thought to be merely conceits.

 They are wrong. The mind and body are linked together in a meshwork of oxygen, nutrients, hormones, and neuron health. Physical exercise drives that meshwork, stimulating the brain and freeing one’s intellect. Simulated combat has the additional virtue of training the eye to spot small errors and exploit them.

 A change in focus can also allow the subconscious mind to focus on unresolved questions. Simulated combat often ends with the warrior discovering that one or more of those questions has been unexpectedly solved.

 And occasionally, such exercise can serve other purposes.

I've also found that the morning breathing routine builds discipline. I can better feel my presence and frame throughout the day.

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[–]Maedthros 0 points1 point  (1 child)

  • What is your breathing tempo like? I've seen both fast and slow in his free videos.
  • Do you breathe in all the way? As in, well past the point of relaxation and you are now forcing air hard into your lungs. I can't imagine "deep" means go that far.

[–]Proto_Sigma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How can you measure what note your speaking voice is on?

u/oooKenshiooo

[–]Loze1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I stutter. There are times I don't and the times I do it's really embarrassing. Messes up my entire conversation, even when gaming women (funny looks/some laugh). I get roasted all the time, being told "you can't even talk".

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[–]oooKenshiooo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most peoples jaw is pulled back to far. Beside increasing the risk of snoring and sleep anoe, it is also a beta move to have the jaw pulled back.

Smiling involves pulling back the jaw as well. Imagine the opposite of smiling: Sticking out your chin (and therefore your jaw) in an arrogant, aggressive manner.

But yes, you can to both exercises without pushing the jaw forward.

[–]Bronzeberk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gonna try the jawline improvement.

Quality post, appreciated it.