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You should NEVER ignore any signs of infidelity (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by BlueEstee

Here's a clip from Late Night with Jimmy Fallon, featuring Katharine McPhee, an actress and a singer and Russel Brand, an actor and a comedian who's quite open about his promiscuity. I highly recommend watching videos of him flirting with women, he's basically Chad Thundercock, the Slayer of Pussy.

From the very beginning of this clip you can see that Russel wants to fuck Katharine, openly flirting with her. She seems to enjoy his attention, so much that she happily sits on his lap for a brief moment, and lets him hug her and touch her hips in a very intimate way.

Later during the interview, she tells him she's married, after which Russel decides to "fuck off" and leaves the studio. I think her mentioning that was a shit-test, which Russel obviously passed. Maybe they fucked after the show - who knows.

Right before he leaves he yells at her "Be clear!" - he thought she was down to fuck. But clearly she's a loving wife who's just naturally flirty with men and this small chat with Russel doesn't mean anything, right?

This video was taken in 2013. One year later she divorced her husband because of an affair she had with a movie director. Oh my, who would have thought!

Katharine openly flirting with Russel should be a clear message to her husband that he should get a lawyer, he definitely shouldn't ignore her behavior. And same goes for you:

You should never ignore any signs of infidelity from your LTR, wife, or even plate you want to become serious with. Observe how she behaves around other men. Is she flirty? Does she allow other guys to touch her? Does she touch other guys back in a sexual manner? If so, think twice before committing to her. Even if hasn't cheated on you, if she displays that behavior all it takes is her having a convenient excuse ("I drank too much and you weren't there!") and BOOM! You're a cuck.

Also never allow your woman to make your hamster spin by telling you "oh, he's just a friend".

Yeah, a friend that will put his dick inside her soon.


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[–]throwitdownman 339 points340 points  (33 children)

Remember, when a man flirts openly with your women, it’s HER chance to demonstrate HER value by turning him down.

If she fails, you know you have invested in a bad product and it’s time to sell.

This shit is meant to make YOUR life easier. If she makes the wrong decision, then she demonstrated her value and practically made the decision to end it for you.

Don’t be a pussy and mateguard. People only mateguard because they are afraid to see their girl fail this test, and they’re afraid to see that their snowflake has bedroom eyes for a random. You can’t turn a hoe into a housewife.

[–]nm8ball 180 points181 points  (1 child)

Wise words from Biggie Smalls - “I don’t chase em, I replace em.”

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat 74 points75 points  (23 children)

Well said. Don't ever mate guard; that's her job. If she's no longer interested in you enough to warn other males off, it's time you found someone else.

[–]Wolveryn 29 points30 points  (20 children)

It’s taken me a long time to properly internalise that. But now that my outcome independence is almost absolute... I wonder if I could ever really love a women again... and even if I could... should I? Would I?

I’ll just save my love for my son and maybe a dog if I get one

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat 33 points34 points  (14 children)

It took me decades but I got there eventually. And it has helped me. I'm no longer able to really fall in love. I can like a woman and feel affection for her, but I cannot really love. The last time I loved someone was 30 years ago and of course she then cheated on me - and told me it was my fault, because "You weren't giving me enough attention" (it's always the man's fault, you see.)

In my 40's I got married and even though I was willing to marry her I really expected that one day she would cheat, because that's what women do.

And she did. Then demanded a divorce, which I gave her (After 12 years of marriage)

Am I broken up about it? Nah. I knew it would happen sooner or later....and I do have two great kids.

On the other hand, she seems angry because i am actually happier now, even though she's the one who insisted on a divorce.

What a funny world it is.

I do love my kids, and I think loving a dog is probably a better investment of your feelings than loving a woman.

Are women worth loving? Mostly no. But having kids is great so do what you have to do...

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 22 points23 points  (4 children)

If you got two kids out of it, then she served her true purpose, which was to carry your (hopefully) children to term. So her being pissed is her realization that it was never really about her as the focal point of the relationship, and that she was merely a means to an end, and not some goddess to be worshiped and pedestalized, which she wouldn't have appreciated anyways.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I think she's pissed because she expected me to be broken hearted.

But seeing as she already told me she found my replacement, how can she then expect me to be broken-hearted about being granted my freedom again?

The happier I am, the more pissed off she seems to get ... :-)

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 4 points5 points  (1 child)

But that's just another way of framing it. You WOULD be broken-hearted IF she were the raison d'etre of the relationship. Fortunately for you, your heart was already broken by another woman that cheated on you, so you entered the relationship with your eyes open and didn't have unrealistic expectations. You wanted a family, children, a mother, etc. And you got that. So that's a huge thing right there. Once you got that, you were probably ambivalent about whether the relationship would last for the rest of your life. When it ended, you weren't surprised at all, and you reacted rationally and moved on with your life.

Meanwhile, she believed that you worshiped the ground that she walked on, but that maybe she could have done better. Over time, that belief was reinforced by your human flaws and that tantalizing possibility of other men, of whom she only saw their public face. Eventually, this dynamic overwhelmed her and she cheated, lacking the self awareness to recognize that all men have flaws. Now she's probably realizing that the other guys are no better. Maybe they annoy her in completely different ways than you did. And she's wondering why you aren't that upset. You aren't that upset because you stoically lowered your expectations and learned to be happy with whatever outcome occurred, whereas she is chasing an outcome she links to happiness and isn't getting there.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

" Fortunately for you, your heart was already broken by another woman that cheated on you, so you entered the relationship with your eyes open and didn't have unrealistic expectations"

It sounds funny to say "fortunately for you,your heart was already broken" and yet it's true, and I agree it did teach me to have more realistic expectations.

Where do you draw the line between cynicism and realism? Am I a realist now or just a cynic? I guess I would have to say a realist; because the ideas I have now have allowed me to make successful predictions about future behavior of females.

" Now she's probably realizing that the other guys are no better. Maybe they annoy her in completely different ways than you did"

Yeah this is probably true too. In fact I suspect her "next" guy cheated her on a business deal and she just refuses to accept that.

[–]markinsinz7 3 points4 points  (7 children)

This is what the whole marriage deal is coming down to these days.

My question is : was it worth it?

Was raising 2 kids together (as a strong couple) to a suitable age(say 18 preferably, 12 in your case) is that worth it? Is it worth it to go find the closest thing to a unicorn - test the shit out of her, do the checks once all green flags then marry or attempt the best family type arrangement(limiting the interference of the law as much as possible) - do the best you can in marriage or whatever when it comes to holding frame and stuff.

And eventually if shit goes south and you gotta walk away hopefully the courts don't go crazy on your finances - given this is the best deal, would you(the reader) take this deal?

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Was it worth it? Yes. having kids is great and I recommend it to everyone. You may not be able to rely on women but if you're even a half-decent person your kids will love you for life.

You learn things about yourself when you have kids.

I was careful never to mix finances -we shared nothing. Not credit cards, loans, bank accounts, check accounts - nothing. Heard too many tales of men coming home and finding the wife is gone AND she cleaned out their bank account.

Would I do it again? Yes, to have kids. However, now that I have kids, would I do it again?

Hell no. I'm not even dating. Happy to be single.

[–]dDiegoDLV 4 points5 points  (5 children)

having kids is great

I am glad someone else around here finally said this. Being a dad is my favorite thing about life.

If you want to go this route please heed the dangers TRP is revealing. You can get fucked hard in a divorce. You may even lose most of your access to the children.

Somehow I came out of the divorce in good shape. You may not be so lucky. A woman just revealed to me that after ending her marriage she gets alimony, child support and claims the kids every year (probably $3k - $6k in tax breaks yearly) She also gets 50% of (1) his pension, (2) house sale (3) his retirement fund. She is also the court ordered beneficiary on his life insurance. He was awarded most of the marital debt in court.

I found this out when she told me she isn't interested in remarrying. She won't give up the alimony. She has 9 years left. (...Because I know some one is going to want to bust my stones... If I am asked I come right out and tell women I never want to marry again. I wasn't trying to wife her up.)

Her greed is a red flag, but the titties are so bouncy! I am not planning on promoting her beyond plate Ill probably continue banging her until I get bored.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow. That is just ..fucking horrible. I feel so sorry for that man.

I too am divorced. But I was careful and during the marriage we kept everything separate - bank accounts, credit cards, check accounts, everything. We both had jobs, so there was no need to share.

When the marriage finished I signed over a half share of the apartment to her. (I paid for 95% of it.) But she had done a huge amount of work with the kids and still does so I feel that is fair enough. Our bank accounts were declared our own property; I pay no maintenance or alimony. We each have 50% custody of the kids and must pay %50 of the costs for them.

And that's it. I lost 50% of the apartment - and nothing else. No ongoing costs apart from the kids. We are all still living in the apartment (We each have our own bedroom), so I can see exactly what costs are what. When the kids hit 18 the apartment will be sold and the money distributed %50 each. Eight years left now.

I think I came out ok - and it's because I was divorced in China. China is not rabidly pro-female like Australia. That's why I felt safe to get married here.

"Her greed is a red flag" -yes, well put. Honestly she sounds selfish and a bit frightening. Myself, I am staying single now and probably for good.

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    [–]Trenned_out 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I've been giving this a lot of thought lately. I'm still in my 20's but I honestly do not feel capable of loving a woman anymore either. I can enjoy a woman's company outside of sex, even shit like cuddling on occasion, but I'd never be too stressed out if any girl I've fucked since the one "loving" LTR I had ended went out of my life. Even though ultimately I ended it.

    It is odd. On one hand it feels good to be fully rational and calculating, on the other hand I do miss that connection with a woman. Not in some blue pill beta way, but even on Chateau he talks about the occasional longing for past loves kind of thing.

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      [–]old_ex_commie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I wonder if I could ever really love a women again

      I should hope not. When my One-itis partner dumped me, I went through years -- decades, actually -- of grief before finding this sub. And through my tears, I said, "I'll never love, or trust, a woman ever again."

      And now that I understand that NO woman will ever love me (in the meaning that men give to the word "love"), I find that that is true. Not because my heart was broken and will never be mended, but because LOVE IS AN ILLUSION. It's not real.

      And that's the real reason I shall never love or trust a woman again. Neither should you.

      [–]1KyfhoMyoba 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      The TRP expression goes:

      Beta males mate guard, alpha males disregard.

      [–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 12 points13 points  (3 children)

      Bedroom eyes made at another man. That was it for me. I wasn't going to stick around to wait for it to actually happen, which it may have already had, but those are the breaks. Sure, there was fighting, and all kinds of BS, and I had pegged the relationship likely to fail from the beginning, but that moment was when it really sunk in for me.

      And of course she tried to deny it, initially. Then later on, right near the end, to her credit, she admitted it. Which meant that she had lied to me face, and then lied about it for months.

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        [–]modTheRedPike[M] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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        [–]falconiawillfall 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Will keep that in mind, thanks for the clarification.

        [–]5Imperator_Red 13 points14 points  (0 children)

        People only mateguard because

        People mateguard because we are evolved with the urge to mateguard because it was probably an effective strategy 10,000 years ago in your hunter-gatherer troop of 100 people. It's simply not effective in the modern world because you can't possibly guard her effectively from thousands of dudes. That is why every civilization developed a sort of "societal level" mateguard called sexual morality. Now that sexual morality is out the window you have literally no way of policing your woman's behavior, so it's best to just not play the game.

        [–]457755263 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Great way of putting it

        [–]457755263 195 points196 points  (14 children)

        This hits close. Good post OP. Girl I was in a LTR with was very attractive and flirty. I didnt pick up on any of it until it was too late. Too much time away from me and an older guy who managed his way in. You know how the story ends. Hindsight is a great teacher. There were more red flags than a communist parade in China. If she shows signs of this behavior, plate and plate only

        [–]Nergaal 23 points24 points  (6 children)

        I am curious how often guys here have stories of flirty women like this one.

        [–]457755263 26 points27 points  (0 children)

        I’ve seen it happen to several guys that I’ve known over my four years in college. Don’t know if it’s the type of girls we hang around or what. But too many upstanding (albeit BP) dudes have been cheated and manipulated by these types of women. It’s sad what they can and do get away with

        [–]jenovajunkie 17 points18 points  (0 children)

        The time I got cheated on, the girl I was with did all this shit. You've been warned, I wouldn't take it lightly.

        Most guys guys I know want a girl like this, who does this only with him.

        Hindsight is a good teacher.

        [–]Looking_4_Stacys_mom 17 points18 points  (0 children)

        Any flirting is really a red flag for me. It's just not worth the drama. Any loyal LTR is gonna put on the clamps as soon as a guy starts flirting with her and tell him to stop.

        [–]1Jaereth 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        Probably less than you think.

        Nobody who actually isn't a pussy boy is going to let their girl behave like she behaved with that guy in the video.

        Like if you go to a bar and your girl is kissy huggy with some other guy and sits on his lap? Leave. She's not really your girl. Throw her shit that's in your place in a box and leave it outside the door.

        As always, reverse the roles and see if it's fair? Would your girl be cool with another woman coming and sitting on your lap like that? Sexual/kino contact is the same regardless of gender.

        [–]457755263 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        True and very starkly put. I think a problem for a lot of guys is that we don't look at the black and white. There are a lot of ways to rationalize her behavior to yourself, especially if you're new to relationships. You don't have much experience on where to draw the line. Guys with cheating wives in their 40s are dealing with this. It's a lot of factors like emotional and financial investment that keeps the bfs/husbands committed. But I'm glad I learned this lesson early, and I agree. Cut that shit and run

        [–]rp_nc 32 points33 points  (0 children)

        more red flags than a communist parade in China

        had me laugh out loud. have my upvote!

        [–]alecesne 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        That must be a LOT of flags, just sayin’ ;)

        [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (4 children)

        The only effective way to stop this problem is strict marriage rules like in islam. Why do you think married men and women who commit adultery get stoned to death? Because adultery destroys morals and values and eventually poisons the whole nation.

        [–]5Imperator_Red 13 points14 points  (1 child)

        strict marriage rules like in islam.

        I hate when people act like Islam made this up and we need to be like Islam. Every advanced civilization (Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, all of the pre-monotheistic pagan religions) had these rules, not just Islam. The west just forgot.

        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Yes but islam is the only religion that still enforces this in modern age. Most other people in those religions arent that strict anymore when it comes to sex and relationships.

        [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

        Adultery used to be a crime in the forties.

        [–]civilizedfrog 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Women break rules for alphas.

        [–]bikermonk 61 points62 points  (25 children)

        OP has given a tip which is almost always learnt the hard way. I was dating this fashion designer HB8 who was extra flirty with almost every 2nd guy we met. Now there is this level of promiscuity and stuff in the fashion industry which goes, and I consistently ignored the red flag. It was like I was the golden star on the Chinese red flag and STILL ignoring it. Of course I learnt my lesson the hard way.

        She went to work in a new town for a month, and immediately started riding Mr Chad in the new city. I was going to go see her on her birthday and Chad got to know I was planning to spend money on her. That is when HE called me up to tell me that she was basically sleeping on his couch and rimming him since weeks, lying to me in front of him on phone. Told me not to bother, and that he was gonna kick her out soon. We both are still in touch.

        How to deal with this though , if you catch her cheating you : This is a gem I learnt here at TRP and helped me keep my dignity. Basically the advice was simple : "You did what you wanted to do, I'll do what I want to do now" and just next her. No drama, No Emotion.

        Punishments have to be swift and harsh. Also, this entire free will concept brings a lot of calm in the process.

        [–]WeddingCrasher91 15 points16 points  (23 children)

        It always intrigues me how sometimes Chads become friends with the boyfriend of the cheating girl they fucked,which is he does respect you despite knowing that you have beta traits. I dont mean it in a bad way because i behaved beta in the past and faced the same thing with my LTR because of my betaness and she AWALTed.

        [–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 32 points33 points  (22 children)

        The problem is that too many guys put the blame of the guy who fucked your girl instead of on the girl. In a society without a binding contract for everyone not to infringe on somebody else's honor, the guy doesn't owe you anything - in that case it's up to the woman to be loyal. Because she owes you loyalty, not some rando who doesn't know you.

        [–]Trenned_out 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Yes agreed. A guy I now consider a good friend I had actually cucked over 4 years ago. I eventually told him but my biggest regret was not doing so earlier. He had "heard rumors" and I wanted to fess up yet let the BPD nurse cunt gf manipulate me into not doing it.

        I was only 22 at the time and was manipulated by a strongly BPD hot figure-competitor slut. Needless to say, today I would act much differently. I learned so much from this though.

        Side note: I did save screenshots from the start of her coming onto me and me repeatedly rejecting her until I finally caved. This made my side of the story (aka the truth) very believable when I did finally let the guy know what was up.

        Alot of interesting twists and turns with the story, we both had our own red pill journey since then and we talk about RP concepts when we catch up. It was interesting in late 2018, hadn't seen him in some years, ended up rolling on MDMA with the guy and he thanked me for the whole thing and not to feel bad about it. Said he was miserable with her and is so glad how his life has went since then.

        inb4 "dear diary"

        [–]WeddingCrasher91 0 points1 point  (20 children)

        Yeah but how does that Chad who ploughed his girl respect him enough to stay in touch or be friends?

        [–]AwakenedSovereign 10 points11 points  (2 children)

        The kind of man that can fuck your girl easily & well, has no problems being honest about it, and even goes out of his way to save you money, and tip you off about what's going on.

        That's a guy that could make an interesting friend.

        The Chad you don't be friends with is the one who could do all that, say nothing, smile and act like your bro the entire time.

        [–]whutyomamado 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        This. I rather know and thank them and dump the bitch.

        [–]randomTATRP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        'That's a guy that could make an interesting friend.'

        Especially when knowing some guys would kill people that they got cheated on with.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 9 points10 points  (9 children)

        Because most "Chads" arent actually high school caricatures, they are just naturally attractive people who have more abundance with women, and no longer feel the need to compete or one up another dude. When I first fucked someone's bitch back in college, I felt like hot shit, like a dude in a rap video or something. But that was a product of me being a loser and me being eager to prove something, like prove that "I'm the one who fucks now, bitch". I would feel all superior because I would be like "this dumb rich kid takes her out to dinner and I get the pussy for free, what a fucking sap".

        But with naturals it's not really like that. They aren't thinking in terms of chads and cucks, and it's not this huge soul crushing big deal. There's no need to lose respect for your fellow man when you understand female behavior -- and there's no need to hate on beta males for being beta males when you're confident that you're not like them.

        [–]WeddingCrasher91 0 points1 point  (4 children)

        Thanks for the elaborate answer

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                    [–]bakamoney 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                    Chad didn't commit to op. The girl did.

                    [–]trollreign 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                    Yeah but how does that Chad who ploughed his girl respect him enough to stay in touch or be friends?

                    Because the fact that your girlfriend cheated on you doesn't say much about you. Women don't just cheat because their boyfriends are beta, they cheat because they can, because they are bored, because they feel they are getting old, because they enjoy the attention of a handome man, because they crave adventure, because they want to branch swing... there are a million reasons.

                    If you think you can stop your woman from cheating just by being alpha, then you are going to be thoroughly disappointed soon, I guarantee it.

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                      [–]NYCSPARKLE 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                      All is fair in love and war.

                      [–]5Imperator_Red 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                      If you're a woman or a third world guerrilla. If you're a man or a soldier of a first world nation, you are arbitrarily held to a higher standard for some reason.

                      [–]functionalghost 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      Yeah exactly we totally hamstring our soldiers with rules of engagement our enemies don't follow!

                      [–]Trenned_out 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      This gives me hope for men finding and looking out for each other even in fucked up situations women put us in, makes me feel like there is a brotherhood. Sure you could hate him, but that's not a productive (or accurate) thought process. This Chad is nothing more than a representation and any number of guys could have filled that.

                      [–]DouglasPR 47 points48 points  (2 children)

                      I like the the way how in the end he just hand his mug over to some woman in the audience, and she drinks from it. Celebrity life...

                      [–]GainzdalfTheWhey 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                      she didn't brush her teeth for days

                      [–]functionalghost 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Wow gross

                      [–]ShimaRoosman 34 points35 points  (0 children)

                      Even when she stated that she's married, you can see her hand off camera go to hold Russell's. They were holding hands on her accord for a good 5 seconds.

                      [–]red_philosopher 21 points22 points  (1 child)

                      This. Do not tolerate branch-swinging behavior in any LTR.

                      My plates are free to do as they please, and I'll even love some of them dearly. But they'll never obtain my commitment for as long as they choose that path.

                      [–]TopOccasion29 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      But they'll never obtain my commitment for as long as they choose that path.

                      Even if they improve, they don't deserve commitment. I can never promote a plate to LTR.

                      [–]RamessesVII 100 points101 points  (7 children)

                      I agree with OP, but I want to emphasize that it's important to maintain frame when you see this kind of behavior in a woman you're involved with. You don't want to turn into that paranoid, pathetic beta calling and texting her constantly asking where she is.

                      [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad 30 points31 points  (3 children)

                      No, you never show jealousy and never mate guard in the traditional sense

                      You should tease her about how she should explore her options and give pointers on how to flirt less like a trashy slut if you do catch her. Give Zero Fucks and she will drop the other guy fast

                      Sing "here comes the bride"

                      [–]tnegaeR 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                      This works tremendously well, I use it quite often.

                      [–]BobbyPeru 27 points28 points  (1 child)

                      You don't want to turn into that paranoid, pathetic beta calling and texting her constantly asking where she is.

                      Agree here. Either next, or ignore the behavior, depending on the severity. Flirting is an AWALT for women if Chad comes around, but how much and how often is the question. If it only happens occasionally (Chad), then it’s probably nothing to flip out about. As always, watch actions, not words though.

                      [–]RamessesVII 15 points16 points  (0 children)

                      A lot of the time it's just a shit test. In the example OP uses, it's a sign of something more. It all depends on the woman's personality type. The more damaged she is and the more partners she's had, the higher chance of infidelity.

                      [–]helenvsgladys 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                      Right, don't let it get you worked up into throwing accusations and trying to argue her into submission. Let her know you're not into it, decline to step into her frame by discussing it further, and if she keeps it up then calmly next her and move on. No further explanation required, because you already told her once.

                      [–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 18 points19 points  (1 child)

                      Thot's like that should never be making it past plates.

                      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 17 points18 points  (14 children)

                      So, if instead of having an LTR you maintain sexual relationships with multiple women (i.e. have plates) then none of this is a problem. No one woman can walk out the door with 100% of your pussy supply, and this lets you deal from a position of abundance.

                      [–]1papunigga031 2 points3 points  (13 children)

                      yeah i still wonder why dudes choose to be in LTRs

                      It's honestly retarded. Sure, have the experience if you haven't had it yet but too much of a pain in my ass for me to do it multiple times

                      [–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 3 points4 points  (5 children)

                      yeah i still wonder why dudes choose to be in LTRs

                      Because they wouldn't get pussy regularly otherwise. When they see a bitch of equal or even lesser SMV, they are quick to lock it down because they are so afraid of another 6 month dry spell. Most guys exist in a spectrum of dry spells punctuated with a random lay here and there, so when they get a little attention, they are rabid to convert that into a "sustainable pussy source".

                      If you're a 5-7 SMV, then it sorta makes sense. Your best bet if you're not interested in actually raising your SMV is to just kinda negotiate out a bum deal, like I'll spend money on you and be in your instagram pics and do all the dumb shit you want me to do, and in exchange, I get semi-energetic weekly sex.

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                            [–]5Imperator_Red 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            because they are so afraid of another 6 month dry spell.

                            I remember those. That sucked.

                            [–]RedPilledGodEmperor 0 points1 point  (6 children)

                            Despite never being in a LTR, I have had a number of friends with benefits/fuck buddy situations and even those can be a bit of a hassle. I wonder how men do it. I'm not into mate guarding, but know that any woman I'm with can get "dick on tap." Just too much of a pain. Not to mention how much money you're spending

                            [–]1papunigga031 0 points1 point  (5 children)

                            yeah. I view women literally as forms of dopamine. Like a drug or alcohol, or video games or something else. Just another form of pleasure for me to have when I have spare time for it.

                            [–]RedPilledGodEmperor 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                            Yep. The best will be when I'm making enough money to live on my own without roommates. Not that I can't fuck in my room while living with roommates, but I prefer being discreet (especially if the chick is a bit busted). Plus, the bedroom wouldn't be the only place that we would be fucking in.

                            I'm never getting married or have kids, so I don't care if I ever get in a LTR. Just go on tinder/hinge/bumble and get chicks to fuck. I have had times where they even come to my place for the first meet up. I just meet them somewhere close to where I live and they come to my place. No money needed (except if paying for their uber back)

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                                  [–]Moolg86 16 points17 points  (0 children)

                                  The “you vs the nigga she tells you not to worry about” meme is a meme because it’s true. This type of behavior is so prevalent and so relatable that in order to talk about this particularly common and uncomfortable occurrence it has to be coated in a thick layer of plausibly deniable humor; a meme. Meant to be funny, relatable, and then gone.

                                  [–]the99percent1 47 points48 points  (5 children)

                                  Hollywood is known for being full of cucks and leftist, liberal wankers.

                                  Is it any surprise IDGAF men like Russel Brand slays pussy. Nope.

                                  And you are right.. Any inappropriate and sexual moves made by a LTR deserves a hard next.

                                  [–]VDmedication 18 points19 points  (4 children)

                                  to be fair, Brand is also a leftist bleeding heart liberal.

                                  [–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (2 children)

                                  Or that's what he portrays to everyone, while following Law 38.

                                  [–]SteveStJohn 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                                  Watch his failed talk show. He's a Marxist.

                                  [–]logicalthinker1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                  Nah, he's just an elitist dick.

                                  [–]SalporinRP 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                  It's the IDGAF attitude that is the most paramount quality in Brand. IDGAF attitude honestly encompasses so much of TRP.

                                  Abundance mentality + outcome independence + cold approaching = IDGAF mentality.

                                  I know some fucking Bernie supporters who are Chads that slay pussy like crazy. But they're the exception obviously.

                                  [–]Synthetic_Citizen 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                                  In these kinds of situations its never a good idea to listen to explanations, trust your gut. Whatever she says are probably contaminated manipulative spin, watch what she does and how she behaves, thats all you need. If you feel strange about how she is behaving then trust your gut, there is simething there no matter how small.

                                  [–]Zech4riah 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                                  Your example is horrible. If you marry a fucking movie start, you should 100% expect to get cheated on. She is hanging around most of the time with top 0,001% men in the world.

                                  But the point you made is good. If I was to get into monogamous relationship (which I won't because monogamy doesn't work no matter how TRP alpha you are), I would avoid girls who are touchy and flirty with all dudes. Also like you said "I was drunk" isn't an excuse.

                                  PS. You are not supposed to get serious with your plate. If that's the case that you catch feelings, you should upgrade her before "getting serious".

                                  PPS. You don't have to be "traditional alpha" in your body language and behaviour. Russell Brand is a faggy twat and still he nails girls effortlessly. Self-confidence, status (and game).

                                  [–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                  Yup, exactly this.

                                  If a woman is flirty and openly enables guys hitting on her, it doesn't really matter if she rejects them this time. Because if that's her standard M.O., all it takes is her being pissed at her partner, and suddenly she falls on his cock.

                                  [–]_Anarchon_ 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                                  Also never allow your woman to make your hamster spin by telling you "oh, he's just a friend".

                                  Yeah, a friend that will put his dick inside her soon.

                                  It's laughable when a woman pretends she has a male "friend".

                                  [–]Dextorian 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                  I see this same scenario in my pals bride to be, openly flirty and touchy around other men even myself which I don’t condone. I have no interest in another mans wife, I’ve tried to subtly warn him without directly telling him she’s bad news. Hoping he will pick up on it but no luck. Great post dude

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                                    [–]DCMike01 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                    This has been my experience EXACTLY. Never believe their bullshit excuses or he’s just a friend or I was drunk and you were not there.

                                    Here’s another favorite: OMG I was bragging about you the while time he really respects you!

                                    Fuck. That.

                                    [–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                                    Russell Brand, Chad Thundercock? He looks more like Mystery running his feminized PUA peacocking pick-up game. Also, her body language indicates she is submissive and plays along with attempts to dominate her, but that she was uncomfortable with his advances. He literally took her hand and led her onto his lap, and she went along with it, even if she didn't really want to or like it, she still submitted to it for no real reason. Also, that was basically an event that could have been trumped up into a sexual assault on live TV, and you can see that Fallon knows this and is uncomfortable with it. But since Brand is a celebrity, he gets a pass.

                                    [–]LettersFromAStoic 20 points21 points  (4 children)

                                    It's important not to mate-guard.

                                    When encountering signs of a woman's flirtatious nature coming out to play at the sight of another man, let her. It's an indicator of multiple things and an opportunity to asses your status. Your woman should be charming, flirty, and desirable. After all, she is a direct reflection on you as a man. How often do we point at weak men with horrendous shrieking wives and say, "look at that example of what not to be?" It is entirely up to a woman's discretion to draw the line where the advances of another man becomes disrespectful to you, as her partner.

                                    Say you wanna plate someone like Katharine McPhee. A C-list actress with well-maintained good looks, with connections in the entertainment industry and minor clout. This is a higher value woman than most, and she looks great on your arm walking into a hot-shot directors party in Beverly Hills, California. - Is that Lakeith Stanfield talking to Emily Blunt over there? - In order to manage that, you're going to have to be fairly wealthy, overwhelmingly successful enough to gain access to her circles and have clout of your own, or simply be a distinguished and recognized individual in your own world to the point that she deems you fit. As you level up in life you will gain access to higher value women, and it's up to you to decide what games you want to play and for whom. An actress operating in the entertainment industry must keep up with appearances. This means being flirty and demonstrably talented to any potential actors she may work with or producers that she might meet. If you've chosen to select her as a partner at whatever level, there is a certain amount of her outward nature with other man that you have to come to terms with in order to reap the rewards of getting her to come to your bed at night and be your arm candy during the day. If she is a high value woman, she will implement her nature as a career advancing tool - after all, sexiness and good looks are currency for most female entertainers - and draw a hard line in the sand to maintain loyalty to her single partner.

                                    Remember that a woman's hypergamous nature is by default one that attempts to secure for herself the highest value man that she can and remain loyal to him until there is an opportunity to branch-swing. If a woman is promiscuous and has frequent or multiple partners, her value is lowered, both in the eyes of her prospective partners and the circles in which she moves in. Women are vigilant of this at all times. When a woman that you are seeing engages with other men, that is an opportunity to assess her value and her level of respect for you. Her behavior should be a direct reflection of the partner that you are to her.

                                    [–]OlofPalmeBurnInHell 3 points4 points  (3 children)

                                    It's important not to mate-guard.

                                    Muslims are very red pilled and they mate guard like no one else, what is your opinion on this?

                                    [–]lala_xyyz 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                                    Mate guarding leads to reproductive success. It's an instinct programmed by evolution, and something perfectly normal. However, the laws and social climate in the West is such that it enables indefinite female hypergamy, and as a man there is literally nothing you can do about it. Make no mistake - most Muslim women are hoes as well, and given the right opportunity and freedom to do so, they will branch swing to a male with a higher status, having more money etc. Men today have the freedom to breed these hoes out of existence, just as for thousands of generations we bred them (when rape and female war booty was the order of the day, and women that were loyal to their families were slain).

                                    [–]Bewbman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                    That's the keyword though 'right opportunity' no opportunity means it won't happen. If you let her travel alone party alone, work late all the time etc. It'll happen that's where Muslim mate guarding comes in because those things don't happen then.

                                    I think anyone women will cheat depending on circumstance, women are more submissive by nature and the more I understand deeper aspects of gender behavior the more I get certain things. When a girl says I was raped even though I didn't say no, what she really means is I was too weak to stand up for what I wanted and now I regret it. Ie they were afraid of what would happen if they did say no to that guy.

                                    That's what happens in these opportunities. Women don't have backbones the way men do, men by nature no matter how much we want to pretend it isn't true are the dominant gender. They initiate sex and making moves, women by natural design are meant to just accept. The more risky the situation she is in the more likely she will accept regardless of your looks or value.

                                    [–]j_arbuckle2012 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    Islam is not red pill.

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                                    [–]furcryingoutloud 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                                    None of this is any reason to next a woman, plate or whatever. At least not for me. I assume they will fuck others from the outset. Hardcore is not giving a fuck.

                                    LTR? I would not have one. Plates can be there for the long term too. Then again, I'm old and really, really don't care.

                                    If I had to do it all over again, I would still have children, but never live with or marry anyone. This frees you up to search for a good mother rather than a good wife. In retrospect, it's just not worth it.

                                    [–]1KirthWGersen -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                    This is the best advice here. Too many men are so very insecure and want a woman to love and be attracted only to them. They are lying to themselves.

                                    I have always actually enjoyed other men being attracted to my women. And I have found that if you don't mate guard, women see you as even higher value, and more tolerant of you sleeping with other women.

                                    [–]Yonski3 15 points16 points  (2 children)

                                    Yeah cool and all but this is not real , it’s TV shit

                                    [–]skrrtrr 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                                    Sure it’s Hollywood, but that show wasn’t scripted. OG russel is like that and women in his vicinity act like that.

                                    [–]NYCSPARKLE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                    They are human beings, man. Celebrities don't have "life cheat codes" or something. Brand was just a Tier II comedian that did a couple of movies.

                                    Katharine McPhee was just a runner-up on American Idol.

                                    As long as you weren't a creepy ogre you could pull girls like her, even if she was famous at the time.

                                    [–]Frenetic_Zetetic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    The only thing that needs to be said here is "Correct, sir".

                                    [–]McVaghunter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    The real advice should be to never give a fuck about infidelity, never get married and instead of Long Term Relationshits man the fuck up, improve your SMV and built a herd of Long Term Plates. Monogamy is for the low SMV male, it should never be part of TRP yet it seems that deep down almost every poster in this sub is just looking to how he can become the best husband to keep his special girl around instead of enjoying his freedom and eating teenage pussy to the day he dies.

                                    [–]VinnysMagicGrits 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    She's now engaged to a 69 year old record producer. That producer has been married 4 times already.

                                    [–]RedPilledGodEmperor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    Yeah, if I was in a committed relationship with a woman and she sat on someone's lap, I might nope the fuck out of that. No way would any woman who respects her man thinks it's fine to sit on another guy's lap.

                                    [–]nross368 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    Do you really lack the insight to understand that Russel brand is just that; Russel's brand. When he acts like Russel brand everyone play along. all of his interviews go the same way.... Do you really expect your women to be only yours? Are you stupid enough to think that your women isn't flirty with me behind your back when you're not looking??

                                    OP is just using this example to justify a low effort post. If she acts like a slut treat her like one.....

                                    [–]omega_dawg93 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    women NEVER have unattractive (to them) male friends.

                                    women will always have at least one other guy besides you in her life. he could be a friend, fwb, secret lover, etc but they value male attention more than anything.

                                    women cheat when they value that free attention so much that when the guy pulls away, she has to "raise the bar" with her investment to keep his free attention around. just texting turns to calling, in person in public to alone, then just kissing to just making out... then PIV. she's invested.

                                    women getting "free" male attention without feeling any obligation or pressure to fuck is the equivalent to men having NSA, unemotional, always available pussy.

                                    [–]Truedemocracy4 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                    Fellas just going to go ahead and say it. You can do everything right on your end. Hold frame, lift regularly, make a lot of money, etc. but if russel brand ends up next to your wife in a social setting and has the desire to bone her then you’re screwed

                                    [–]volvostupidshit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                    That's one of the things that makes the red pill so hard to swallow.

                                    [–]Gaboyski_ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                    Actresses agreeing to do sex scenes in front of a camera should count as a red flag to begin with

                                    [–]gorebwn -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                    Eh I don't exactly agree with it - you may not be able to relate but situations like that are the opposite of sexual. Something about faking fucking someone in front of huge lights, on a set, while a director shouts "no, you have a crab hand in his hair, make your fingers look less like a robot" shit like that.

                                    [–]AntiSharp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                    Wtf is wrong with him lol

                                    [–]x6x6x61982 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                    Yeah I love the "he just a friend" excuse, I am thinking about all my female friends, and 99% of them I would bone, enough said!

                                    [–]MrGreySD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                    Russell Brand. Of course. My last LTR said once "I bet I could sleep with Russell Brand if I tried". Loyal and never flirty, yet still said that one time!

                                    [–]SeasonedRP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                    Being openly flirty with other guys is a red flag, and you should never LTR a girl who does this. Many men have more difficulty picking up on another key sign, and that is changes in behavior, particularly coupled with a propensity to argue. When you see this happen, she's cheating or planning to cheat.

                                    [–]n8dawwg 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                    Good post. I think Brand is kinda a douche bag though.

                                    [–]rekabis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                    Learned this myself with my first ever intimate GF. Almost a quarter century ago, but the shame at the ease at which I had been made a fool of still burns. Still, at least I was cognizant enough to know that something was severely wrong (there were other red flags that I saw as such, I just didn’t fully understand what they meant), which is how I caught her naked in bed with him in the first place.

                                    The comments by others that “her ability to state your worth to her by refusing to flirt with others” is bang on. If your girl can’t keep her hands to herself, then you are just not worth it in her eyes, and she just isn’t worth the effort to keep. Trying to repair will only ever bring you pain and suffering, and delay the inevitable.

                                    Casual and incidental window shopping is one thing, as long as you come home to eat (and there is no shame in appreciating attractive members of the opposite sex… from a distance!!); but sampling the tasters is a clear indication that someone is just a hop and a skip away from eating out. Without you or your permission.

                                    [–]AsmellyFinger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                    On the plus side, look how easy it is to get a girl. Married, boyfriend, it doesn't matter. It's all open game.

                                    [–]ethical_pa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                    I wouldn't draw too many lessons from Hollywood shit. This is all make believe. It's manicured. A show put on by people who present an imaginary version of reality to passive consumers. For all we know it was just an act and she was never attracted to him. What sells is "Ow wow look how sexually charged and inappropriate Russel Brand is!! HAHAAHA!! OMG!". It looks like this is exactly what they were selling here.

                                    [–]WaspOnAWall 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                    It's funny, you see that clip and what you take away from it is : "don't be like that woman's husband" and "beware of women like Katharine", but what I take away from it is "be like Russel" and "target women like Katharine".

                                    Different perspectives I guess, but the important part is that Russel, if he fucked her that night, didn't care that she might fuck another guy the next day.

                                    I know that some guys want to build something more lasting, but in my opinion, a relationship is not something you want to build your life around.

                                    [–]russian_nigger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                    "oh, he's just a friend"

                                    that red pill biz markie song

                                    [–]RedPillWintergreen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                    Don't take examples from Hollywood. It's a town full of deviants and psychopaths. What you see on TV and movies is scripted, an image they are trying to convey. For all you know Russell Brand is completely different without an audience. In any case he acts like the court jester, not the king. Don't be the court jester. The court jester dances like a fool for the real alphas.

                                    [–]wanker7171 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                    Also never allow your woman to make your hamster spin by telling you "oh, he's just a friend".

                                    what do you mean? I normally just consider him an orbiter of hers unless I see any red flags

                                    [–]8380atgmaildotcom 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                                    Some uber driver instantly was bout it bout it when I climbed into her car in scrubs smelling like a mix of formaldehyde, fecal matter and literal human remains. Situational alpha I guess. Had a wedding ring on and car seat in the back of the car. Didn't want to come in the first time but the second time she did come inside. Didn't do anything really but was an eye opening experience. Her mother was calling her to figure out where she was but she just ignored her. They are children who are unable to think about the big picture.

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                                        [–]krunchtimer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                        True story - my nephew attended a private pre-K. A few times I picked him up after school as a favor to my brother and SiL who occasionally had work obligations. The school was owned and run by a 30-something woman. One time I saw her husband there (who apparently had his own separate career) doing some carpentry work there to help her out.

                                        I found out a few years later that they divorced after she had an affair with one of the dads of one of her her students. She was this quiet, serious teacher with a husband who was willing to do what he could to help her out. But still cheated on him. And shat where she ate (her own Pre-K business). AWALT.

                                        [–]LordMarkStark 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                        Note: Brand was doing a lot of GRAND-STANDING. He was being entertaining, but that aside. I like what you wrote a lot.

                                        So good one, and she probably wants to get down more before she hits the wall; its my opinion she would have always been like that even from a young age, and now she is just whipping her own little pony trying to get ahead with sexuality as best she can, in a use it or lose it sense; its her body/choice. But don't underestimate that it could have had more to do with the relationship itself than her desire for new dick.

                                        She said she had a husband, Brand left or was kicked off is my guess by the producers for 1 being a right old dick haha and 2 interrupting the next interview - people go on these shows to not just be guests but to promote themselves and it was her moment to promote. She was also being a good sport in some ways. No need to cause a scene - and yet she seemed to really like it in a way, bringing out the husband bit ONLY when her reputation was in danger - never mind his honor - but who knows maybe he was cheating by that stage too, we just don't know.

                                        Loyalty is huge to men and there is nothing in the modern western world to enforce it. Feminism is disloyal to the gender (I mean even guys want to take women out for a good time, feminists just want to rain on your parade), and modern women are open to the tendency of being disloyal to their men.

                                        Its true, you really do need to match that in your life. I had not seen this girl in a short while, and not that I even would really but especially as it arose I would not blame her for this. Its perfectly fine and it relates to the video. One of the girls I am seeing atm had a date the morning I saw her, I did make plans with her too, it was nothing serious more like a meeting, and mine was more involved but I didn't even bother to worry, because that night when I set something up with her after cancelling the morning thing, it was time to get down. You got to think - this fool was just taking her out for coffee in the morning when he should have been setting up drinks (supposing she would have let him which she did not and would not have owing to her schedule and inclination) - she gave me several times to meet across the weekend, none of them night, so I arranged a day to show interest knowing I would probably cancel... so I set something up for later when I understood her evening plans were not massive (even though she originally wanted to leave her evening open for sleeping after her dinner plans). Do you think coffee-date guy had the mental acuity to realize what I realized? I mean we had already had sex a couple of times, but I doubt he was getting anything like that and was very much a brand new guy slotted in right before the main course (me) was going to meet her. Sure, sure, if coffee was what actually happened, but I don't think she is like that. You need to be a detective in your thinking. Rational not paranoid. He would have went out with her and had some coffee and she showed no excitement over it, I doubt he was doing much else because at that point she thought she was seeing me later before I said can't make it/got busy. She had a busy weekend, is all. Point being is a girl can date more than one guy, but a married woman has to be explicitly off-limits, its a different style of relationship.

                                        I dont own this girl and she does not own me, if we ever catch feelings you pay that due respect, but right now? My point is the nature of it (minus the honor difference) is indivisible. Its just that in marriage you made a long term supposedly life-long commitment. To be broken only in cases of abuse or otherwise bad things.

                                        Even then I can talk to girls when they're on their period and set something up with them, go over and get a hand job/suck, and whatever guy they'd been out with had simply bowed out. Life's what you make it - I can fire the girl up and maybe others can't. Also I know 'that time of the month' and 'I feel tired' are things that happen to people - its not their baseline - quite often they still want to nooky on instead of cursing nature or going to sleep early.

                                        To the other story, neither of us expressed any alarm at that she dated or that I talked about other chicks in a non threatening way. Just like with how you treat girls you are trying to get to simply go out with you - you can't get butthurt if they arranged things with another guy and not you.

                                        Girls don't get invested as easily as guys for many reasons and even dating she is liable to become dissapointed long before you do, but when they do get invested they seriously do get invested.

                                        Now, without loyalty or obligation (though some may exist naturally between two people as a form of understanding/reciprocation rather than honor or doing the right thing as much)... the above is even more tenuous.

                                        The trick is knowing about it like the red pill espouses - but also just rolling with it.

                                        People who get married these days are simply asking for trouble.

                                        With the chick in the video we also don't know why she got married - maybe it was for connections, etc, or some other attribute not directly related to being super happy first/foremost with the guy. Too many what ifs but it is a huge coincidence she got divorced soon after this and it may well have contributed to it.

                                        Did Brand get laid from this though? I doubt it. But look at her actions moreso - she cheated on the director guy, and she could be engaged to some record producer, an older guy.

                                        I suspect she is a gold digger, and as witty and charming as Brand is, and I like him a lot, though here he was brushing immaturity/clown.... as all that he is very much B-list and probably not on her radar to feel much for him.

                                        But Brand also would have picked up on how loose and fast she is and the way she was reacting giving him encouragement to at least see and push it.

                                        I think a relationship for this particular girl is like a weight around her neck. She didn't flirt back hard here of her own volition overly much, maybe it was more having fun.

                                        Thats poor advice when I am being forgiving and reasonable-doubt like looking from the outside in. Nah. Its a hard and fast rule. You wouldn't catch me doing that to my wife if I had one most likely. So what would I do?


                                        Even so, just by sitting on his lap I would file for divorce. I would be trying to get the ball rolling. She is far too loose and fast and makes a mockery of her then-husband no matter if they were having trouble or not. Also, she is probably an idiot who just wants to be seen on camera, etc than anything else. Her priorities for marriage are wrong, and indeed, maybe she got married too early - but the husband should have thrown off his blinders that night and got stuck into her - which is another reason why maybe they divorced soon after it. Was it a year? I couldn't live that long with that - I would have started proceedings right away.

                                        You can't go back from that, she was sitting on Russels (probably great) dick. Stuff that.

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                                        If it happened to me well I already said what i would do because of life experiences. When I was 18, a chick sat in my lap at a party due to lack of chairs and she LOVED it.... right in front of her long term boyfriend who was like 'wtf dude/bitch?' She told him to calm his farm and she got up then sat back down and moved her butt around over my dick trying to make both of us comfortable. It was a hoot and he was pissed off and went inside, she thought he was being a child - but really while she may not have wanted to cheat and we did not, and her friends around her before too long (and she had her arms around me and shit because its not the best chair/lack of chairs) and made her get back up. She was just proving a point maybe by then, and there was a lot of drinking involved, but thats that - I would not do that to my missus.

                                        Second time I can remember an 18 YO girl sat in my lap at a party with her BF there, who was very close to me as a friend, he was young too and I had given him some advice. She was too break up with him before long. She fell pregnant first and he basically couldn't be a good dad. She's a single mum now. But she knows what butters life - and thats basically me because I can look after her and that day when everyone else had passed out ,and I had beaten the fuck out of this guys brother, and my good friend for trashing the house ( I was asked to eject him after his antics) but we made up later... well she hung out with me and you could tell anyway she really liked me and later she told me she wanted to break up with him, and of course he was awake again by then but anyway, she wasn't happy. These are two people saying how much in love they are in front of everyone and there she is sitting on my dick, and the next time pulling me down into her lap - all in the form of a game and laughing and crap but she couldn't control that level of emotion.

                                        No one can. But as adults, in general, and even then, sitting in a lap is grounds for divorce, only unhappy girls look elsewhere. You need to be fucking them to sleep, not having your girl drag guys into her lap or vice-versa. I mean this kid couldn't look after her - his own brother was coming onto her and I pulled him off her, he hit me and I hit him back and we got over that until we fought later on again... and the previous night same brother had tried to grope her (so the bf asks me if its ok?) .... had to smack his brain around a bit saying its not cool even if he is your brother/drunk. That night I needed a place to sleep and another girl at the party gave me a spot beside her in bed - non sexual I just wanted to crash out.

                                        Sitting in laps?Instant divorce. If on the receiving end - you [should] fuck her ASAP.

                                        [–]olimpicus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                        What about PUA advice to ignore other guys? I don't know which way to take.

                                        On one side to ignore and be alpha. On the other to react and be beta. Any opinions?

                                        [–]BlackendLight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                        I've been in russel's situation a few times. I guess I should be glad I wasn't the girl's bf/husband.

                                        [–]VickVaseline 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                        That's Chad Thundercock? He looks more like a poofter to me. When he opens his mouth, it's even worse.

                                        [–]optimase_prime -1 points0 points  (2 children)

                                        How is that not mate guarding though?

                                        [–]TonyZ554 11 points12 points  (1 child)

                                        Because instead of becoming a paranoid and needy beta, you just next her instead. So instead of worrying about her cheating, you already have reason enough to leave.

                                        [–]Synthetic_Citizen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                        Yes, and specifically because you place high value on your SMV. The red pill man has worked hard and long on looks, health, finance, emotional independance and internal and external game, and as such has an above average SMV. Thats why when a plate or LTR misbehaves its easy to detach from the thot and move on without any drama or emotional turmoil, his SMV garuntees him a suitable replacement easily.

                                        The average joe does not work on his SMV and is fully emotionally dependant on external sources for self worth. This is why when the average joe's woman misbehaves he will allow it, because he thinks that he has no other options. Abundance mentality is not a concept he is familiar with, the opposite in fact is true.