Of Manjaws And Furry Forearms

Have a cuckold fetish for relationships with sluts who are likely to cheat? Want to get into relationships with sluts who are likely to put out quickly, and to fuck like the energizer bunny? Date women with big chins!

If you have not already chosen your new love, researchers suggest you stay away from those with big chins as they have a tendency to cheat. Researchers from four universities across the US and Canada prodded into the sexual habits of chinny and relatively chin-less females to determine these results.

Kidding? No, they’ve published in the journal Personality And Individual Differences, so it must be true. Larger chins, especially on adult females, are associated with the male growth hormone testosterone and too much of that bad boy can lead to messing around. It seems on an unconscientious level men sense this trend and are biased against a more masculine chin. […]

“The findings are important in demonstrating that perceptions of women as desirable and trustworthy long-term mates can be reliably gleaned by men from viewing only the women’s facial features.

“Results suggest that information about women’s sexual unrestrictedness, which is related to their risk of infidelity, can potentially be conveyed by the masculinity of women’s faces.”

Hogwash you say? Perhaps you are already hooked up with said chin-cheater? Well, they may cheat, but you may also have found a sexual goldmine. Women (and perhaps men) with larger chins are also more sexually assertive and perhaps better in bed.

Yet again the science proves me right. Always ahead of the curve, I am. Over three years ago I wrote in this post about generalizing the sexual habits of women based on physical or behavioral traits:

Does she have lots of dark forearm hair?

Girls with this have more circulating testosterone.  They will be more likely to sleep with you by date 3.  Although forearm hair on a girl is unattractive, rejoice when you see it, because it means the moment of sexual congress is nigh.

Big chins, manjaws and dark forearm hair on women are all signs of exposure to high levels of testosterone. And women who have been thusly exposed like to fuck — hard, often, and usually with lots of different men. If you are doing a girl doggy style, and a thatch of thick ass crack hair is staring back at you, you can bet she’s exceeded the national female median of three lifetime sex partners. Have your fun, but don’t make the dumb mistake of marrying her. Or, really, spending any money on her, since she won’t require much male resource display before she’s willing to spread.

Thanks to the additional scientific evidence buttressing my personal observations, we can now add big chins and manjaws to the list of slut tells I outlined in my infamous post describing how easy it is to identify a slut. If you are an inexperienced younger man who wants to know if your girlfriend is marriage material, this blog will arm you with the knowledge you need.

To summarize:

Manjaws are more likely to:

  • fuck on the first date
  • fuck for hours in every room of the house
  • cheat
  • need a psychologically dominant boyfriend to keep her faithful.

Personally, as a normal man with normal tastes in women, I prefer feminine girls with dainty jaws and chins and soft flat bellies that aren’t ripped six packs. So Leno-chinned women of the world are not much concern to me, except insofar as their numbers in the general female population seem to be increasing of late, and thus causing the aggregate beauty in the world to shrink. As a lover of beauty, I consider this environmental destruction. Luckily, manjaws are less prevalent in younger women, so I will do my part to help the environment by casting out older women to the wastelands of solitary cougardom where their jutting mandibles can do no harm to anyone except 18 year old boys desperate to lose their virginity.





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  1. This also works with Asian girls.

    The more masculine their traits, the more they want to have sex. And the easier they are to get into bed.

    Hard rule.

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  2. High T girls can be great for screwing in club bathrooms though, and as fuck buddies.

    More feminine girls have a more pull than male like push (evergreen need/desire for it) sexuality. That is if you sexually dominate and rock the world of a more feminine girl she’s gonna want sex more and more, and bond like crazy w/you. On the other hand she can go for a year without sex and feel the need for it less and less if she isn’t getting the good stuff or anything at all.

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  3. I don’t like manjaws. They look like fucking trannies.

    Gimme a baby-face any day

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  4. My observations and life experiences are entirely consistent with this.

    I have a personal opinion that those high-T gals fuck differently, too, preferring a more vigorous, physical style.

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  5. Sez a respectable scientific publication:

    If you have not already chosen your new love, researchers suggest you stay away from those with big chins as they have a tendency to cheat.

    Ha. Remember when the polite crowd would admonish anyone who divined a person’s character based on his physical qualities? They’d call it pseudo-sicence or mock is as “discredited, medieval phrenology.” Some woudl even go all Godwin on ya.

    But now, chicks with big chins are cheatin’ ho’s. What else:

    Guys with dark skin and kinky hair tend to sprint fast. Blue-eyed people tend to organize societies well. People with staraight black hair tend to do math well… wait – what?

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  6. Well, hindsight is 20/20. I can now post identify quite a slut in my previous life…

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  7. Off-topic but largely relevant:

    Boy meets girl. Boy deceives girl about religion. Girl has consensual sex with boy. Girl discovers truth. Boy is convicted of rape. How long we see prosecutions of Gamesmen on similar—albeit completely baseless—grounds?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/21/arab-guilty-rape-consensual-sex-jew

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/arab-man-who-posed-as-jew-to-seduce-woman-convicted-of-rape-1.302895

    It isn’t all that far-fetched to imagine that you could be imprisoned for rape for lying about your wealth or social status, either. And if a girl says she’s on birth control, but lies about that and gets pregnant can she also be prosecuted for rape?

    What a sick world.

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  8. on July 21, 2010 at 2:13 pm The Specimen

    I’m not so sure it’s that straightfoward. Having a square jaw makes a woman less attractive, and is thus a pretty big hit on her status. As a consequence I think she’d be less able to cheat with high status men, and less inclined to cheat on a high status man. Manjaws do tend to be less feminine, but that just makes them more open about their sluttiness. Pretty women do their thing too, they just keep it on the DL.

    On another note, why do women have such a hard time admitting that a manjaw on a woman is not attractive? The other day I spent nearly 10 minutes arguing with a date over the attractiveness of Angelina Jolie, with her swearing by her beauty and me arguing that she has Jack Dempsy’s chin. If you ask me, Victoria Beckham has something pretty close to the ideal famale facial shape.

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  9. Yep…also use the finger length/hand size indicator. Some girls from non white or middle Easter cultures (think Black and more Mestiza latin women) tend to not have so much body hair, at all regerdless of hormone expression. This might knock the forarm hair test out, but you can still have other masculine tell tale feature such as the afrorementioned man jaw, and my suggestion of the middle finger vs. ring and index finger length test which also signifies a dump of testosterone in the womb very early on. Of course other more extreme indicators…thicker neck, deeper voice, more muscularity etc. Those are REAL high T girls.

    Remember this though guys, even a “high T” girl has only a fraction of the Testosterone a normal healthy male does. So in comparison, a high T girl might get randomly horny like 2-4 times a week. This is not normal chick tingle, this is appetite for a pounding horny. But look at most guys, we are on stand by and can get horny in a moments notice anywhere from 1-10 times everyday. The biggest difference is a High T girl can go out pretty much anywhere and find either another High T guy to bang her, or some herb who is just lucky to touch a woman once a year, and voila you have her racking up numbers by banging random dudes. If we could score ass as easily as a High T girl does, all of us would have thousands of partners by now.

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  10. My spelling is woeful…

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  11. In my teen years I used to have waaaayy too much arm hair, but after having my arms waxed once or twice the hair barely grew back. *shrugs*

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  12. my suggestion of the middle finger vs. ring and index finger length test which also signifies a dump of testosterone in the womb very early on.

    http://www.economist.com/node/16316949?story_id=16316949&CFID=134055697&CFTOKEN=39382375

    Too bad testosterone doesn’t correlate to bitchiness.

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  13. If a prominent, masculine jaw is correlated with, or even caused by, high T (as more arm hair is, etc.) then it’s pretty straightforward. testosterone is the hormone that regulates the sex drive, and it has effects on the physical development and traits of men and women both. And high sex drive correlates with cheating. it’s all of a piece.

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  14. Note slutty girl horniness =/= slutty girl behavior.

    It tends to now in urban America and the Anglosphere now, due to uber feminism.

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  15. dragnet–

    Yeah it’s an outrageous Israeli court verdict. No doubt heavily due to ethnic / religious prejudice.

    Why didn’t the court convict the girl in question of extreme sluttiness? Screwing the guy on the strength of his “Daniel” claimed first name, before getting to know him at all, or who he hung out with etc.

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  16. on July 21, 2010 at 2:45 pm Vincent Ignatius

    What, no hat tip? Cold.

    I cited the original article on the Manjaw post yesterday.

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  17. Bethenny Frankel has a manjaw and is a whore.

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  18. Specimen,

    You picked two bad examples to illustrate your point. Angelina Jolie would be screwed silly by any man on here including our host, while Victoria Beckham’s fake 90 pound little boy frame does very little for me and I’m assuming many guys on this board. I agree with your premise almost completely about manjaws lowering status and thus leading to possibly more slutty behavior in order to get attention or inflate self-esteem (many ugly to average non-manjaw girls do this). I also find it incredibly odd that women will defend women’s imperfections to no end with a man, but can literally nit-pick each other to death in groups of women. It’s almost as if they just like to argue with righteous indignation, whether they believe what they are saying or not.

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  19. I’ve definitely always been a fan of feminine features.

    This is very interesting, but it does make sense.

    Simple math this is, how is science just now figuring this out?
    Masculine features = more testosterone
    More testosterone = more likely to act/view/think like men

    You don’t want that in a woman, you want femininity, you want estrogen. It’s what makes them different that makes them beautiful.

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  20. on July 21, 2010 at 3:01 pm Rant Casey - Brazil

    I see something disturbing in here.

    I’m from a part of Brazil highly populated with germans. Many (I mean *many) of them are not miscigenated.

    And despite this, I see far too many saxon girls with those square man jaws, Buzz Lightyear’s chin (some of them really cute even with these jaws) hanging around. Paired with enourmous blue eyes, huge lips, blonde hair and a very light skin.

    One would suspect that forearm hair and square jaws would be more prevalent in darker populations of females (and males too). And probably is.

    Though I see here a high incidence of manjaws in saxon snowy-white girls. As much as I see in hispanic gals.

    ***

    And when I check my pickup history I notice that yes, these girls were the ones I was most likely to have flings with, and most likely to be predatory in the mating.

    LTRs most of the time happened with girls with small jaws and almost nonexistent chins.

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  21. I can certainly attest to this.

    I had a fling about 2 years ago with a girl who a had somewhat prominent jawline – . A solid 8 but edging towards a 9 if she didn’t have the slight masculine maw.

    She was a good fuck. The most memorable in fact.

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  22. Willy -“I’ve definitely always been a fan of feminine features.
    This is very interesting, but it does make sense.
    Simple math this is, how is science just now figuring this out?
    Masculine features = more testosterone
    More testosterone = more likely to act/view/think like men
    You don’t want that in a woman, you want femininity, you want estrogen. It’s what makes them different that makes them beautiful.”

    I wonder if wanting a high-estrogen, ultra-feminine woman who likewise has a healthy sex drive, is a bit like wanting a unicorn ranch.

    Pardon me for projecting personal experiences, but, my second wife had very feminine features and was a hard 8. Best looking woman I ever had a serious relationship with. At the same time, she had organically low sexual desire, which she cleverly managed to keep a secret until we were married (I should have been more suspicious of a woman who never owned a sex toy in here entire life, and claimed she hadn’t masturbated in years).

    Total contrast to my latest gf, about a 6 on a good day (her masculine jawline is her worst feature), who’s one of the horniest women I’ve ever known. She’s not LTR material, as it’s easy to imagine her straying from her relationship partners.

    Given the gruesomeness of having experienced a sexless marriage, I can tell you that if I were ever forced to choose between a highly sexual woman who couldn’t be trusted, and a more beautiful but less sexual one who could, I’d take the former every time.

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  23. so lemme get this straight: women who look more masculine are… more masculine? no fucking way!!

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  24. Guys with dark skin and kinky hair tend to sprint fast. Blue-eyed people tend to organize societies well. People with staraight black hair tend to do math well… wait – what?

    maybe, but population-level statistics are usually useless for assessing individuals. if you were holding tryouts for a track team, you wouldn’t just pick the black guys. you would actually have them race.

    likewise, if you’re trying to decide whether to marry your girlfriend or not, you have much better information than the squareness of her chin or the amount of arm hair she has. or if you’re trying to decide which girl to hit on, you’re probably going to choose whichever girl you’re most attracted and not whichever one has the best digit ratio.

    these sort of averages really only come into play when dealing with very large numbers. i can’t think of one situation when i would defer judgment to some random physical trait.

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  25. these are the two best sentences in that isreal article:

    According to the complaint filed by the woman with the Jerusalem district court, the two met in downtown Jerusalem in September 2008 where Kashur, an Arab from East Jerusalem, introduced himself as a Jewish bachelor seeking a serious relationship. The two then had consensual sex in a nearby building before Kashur left.

    it’s insane that we are this far down the rabbit hole.

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  26. on July 21, 2010 at 3:51 pm Vincent Ignatius

    Men with a high partner count, think back to all the girls that you’ve banged. A large proportion of the ones who had fathers that didn’t stick around will have had manjaws.

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  27. Re. the Israeli article: if the situation were reversed, and an Israeli man claimed to be Arab to swoop an Arab girl, he would be killed by her family.

    So Kashur got the good end of the stick here.

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  28. @ dragnet

    That is an incredibly racist policy. What they fail to mention is why do they deem it wrong to have sex with a Palestinian in the first place. Apartheid South Africa, that place.

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  29. Personally, I’m a Lamarckian when it comes to man-jaws. Women’s testosterone comes from two places: defective ovaries brought on by excessive body fat, and the adrenal glands, which release lots of the stuff under stress responses. I posit that feminism causes women to grow man-jaws. I also think some movie star types actually abuse drugs which make their man jaws grow.

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  30. My forearms are extremely furry.

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  31. on July 21, 2010 at 4:02 pm Vincent Ignatius

    My forearms are extremely furry.

    Roosh is obviously going to put out by date 3. Take note ladies.

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  32. @ Dream Puppy, Doug1

    Sure, ethnic/religious prejudice and racism is definitely at the core of this particular case.

    But it’s not at all difficult to see how the gynocracy could seize upon this to attack Game. The real issue is that because the woman’s perception of the truth turned out be at odds with reality, then a rape was retroactively judged to have occurred. This is the very definition of ‘buyers remorse’—and it has now been legitimized by modern jurisprudence (if Israel’s religiously based legal system can be considered modern).

    This kind of shit really worries me. It remains true that the only real defense is Game, but even a skilled practitioner has be careful.

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  33. Of course there are extreme versions of each example gents. Also you must take into consideration the racial and ethnic differences at hand here. As I hinted at earlier, Indigenous Indians tend to have little or no body hair. Same with most indegenous African tribes. This is racial adaptation that cannot be compared with white or let’s say Middle Eastern features.

    Most of it really is common sense though…the square jaw is typically just due to more musculature in the face, the more the body hair in most populations = more testosterone. Deeper voice, aggressive/assertive behaviour, muscularity etc all due to Testosterone. A little of it is good in our women, but not too much. Without any testosterone she would never want to fuck at all…too much and she would bang at will whenever you were not keeping an eye on her.

    *Read up on the affects of Anabolic Steroids in females. The clitorous grows a little larger and thicker (in some cases of very prolonged Testosterone injections, the Clit has been reported to grow to the size of her thumb when she is arroused .. like a tiny penis) she easier to stimulate, the sex drives go through the roof. Downside, no ovulation, fucks up their insides and they get the thick neck and square jaw. So, next time you see the veiny thick trapped girl at the gym, go talk to her…you might be able to close faster than you ever imagined (if she is still attractive enough to bang)

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  34. Am trying to find out if I have a big chin or not. How does one tell? I know I don’t have a large jawline, although some people in my family do (at least I noticed now that they are older).

    Is there a way to measure? I crudely measured from bottom of lip to chin and it was slightly under a inch. This is good? Or no so good?

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  35. on July 21, 2010 at 4:20 pm Rant Casey - Brazil

    “Roosh is obviously going to put out by date 3. Take note ladies.”

    hahahah

    ***

    Roosh is furry even in places like Brazil.

    Who else makes such a convincing “Jesus” cosplay?

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  36. If the distance between your chin to your lip is longer than your lip to bottom of nose, you have a TRAP-JAW. hahah by the power of greyskull.

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  37. Girls with big chins and MAN-dibles don’t fret.

    It is still possible to be breathtakingly beautiful and very feminine with a large jaw.

    Maybe the problem lies in having MANY masculine traits such as large mandible AND long chin AND close set eyes.

    As we would say in my circle of friends: “La pobre esta de pipis.”

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  38. Don’t most stereotypes have something to do with eye sight?

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  39. “Am trying to find out if I have a big chin or not. How does one tell? I know I don’t have a large jawline, although some people in my family do (at least I noticed now that they are older).

    Is there a way to measure? I crudely measured from bottom of lip to chin and it was slightly under a inch. This is good? Or no so good?”

    the best way to measure is to hold your right thumb sideways across your chin while looking in the mirror, and then count how many cocks you’ve had in you.

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  40. j r–

    maybe, but population-level statistics are usually useless for assessing individuals. if you were holding tryouts for a track team, you wouldn’t just pick the black guys. you would actually have them race.

    Absolutely true and right.

    But population statistics are most definitely used to claim there must be “structural racism” and that “no child left behind” and “race to the top” programs should focus on helping the bottom quartile do better (cause it’s largely populated by “disadvantaged minorities” aka NAM’s (non asian minorities)), rather than focus on improving he quality of education for the middle and upper quartiles. I.e. for the smart fraction, which are really what matter for a society’s success.

    Why do students in elementary and high school lag so badly behind other OECD (rich country) school kids in international tests. This is why. This and that we’ve let our country become 30% NAM now, up from 10% in the late 60s before the 1965 immigration bill was passed during heavy Jewish lead pile on following the civil rights law passage about anti-racism and the benefits of diversity, diversity diversity.

    Consider what’s happened to California when you tout all kinds of diversity, axiomatically created equal under PC though or at least expression control taboos. Horsehiite.

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  41. Selena Gomez doesn’t have a large jaw, she just has a pointed chin, her jaw is actually quite petite.

    Reese Witherspoon is a more extreme version of the same chin type – would she be regarded as having a manjaw?

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  42. Women working under stress produce more testosterone, leading to more masculine traits. The lawyer chicks around you might be prove of that. It even endangers their ability to get pregnant. Imagine the average lawyer chick, on a caroussel into their mid-30s, then when considerably manjawed feel their cloak ticking, but can’t produce. They’ll just die out.

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  43. on July 21, 2010 at 5:15 pm The Specimen

    @ Doug

    I’d want to live in Cali any day before bumfuck middle America. When was the last time you ever heard of anyone actually moving TO Ohio?

    In fact, pretty much all of the most desirable places to live have diverse populations. And by diverse, I mean more than just white people and black people.

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  44. @the Dude

    Women working under stress produce more testosterone, leading to more masculine traits. The lawyer chicks around you might be prove of that.

    I think you’re absolutely right. I’m working late tonight and can feel my forearm hair growing as I type. The way things are going, tomorrow I might even be able to plait it. I’ll measure it now and again in an hour and if there’s an increase in length I’ll be sure to let you know.

    Imagine the average lawyer chick, on a caroussel into their mid-30s, then when considerably manjawed feel their cloak ticking, but can’t produce. They’ll just die out.

    And people say nature’s a bitch, there’s just no gratitude out there for natural selection.

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  45. on July 21, 2010 at 5:23 pm Abelard Lindsey

    That photo of Jennifer Aniston is down right frightening. I heard she had a masculine looking face, but that phone is ridiculous. Sarah Jessica Parker has a similar look and I find her not so attractive these days either.

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  46. on July 21, 2010 at 5:25 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””’AHE
    “Am trying to find out if I have a big chin or not. How does one tell? I know I don’t have a large jawline, although some people in my family do (at least I noticed now that they are older).

    Is there a way to measure? I crudely measured from bottom of lip to chin and it was slightly under a inch. This is good? Or no so good?”

    the best way to measure is to hold your right thumb sideways across your chin while looking in the mirror, and then count how many cocks you’ve had in you.
    ”””””

    Oh shit lol

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  47. The Specimen–

    In fact, pretty much all of the most desirable places to live have diverse populations. And by diverse, I mean more than just white people and black people.

    Sure California is a great place. I went to college there. Tons of natural advantages. The climate for one. In many ways it used to be a lot greater a few decades ago though.

    Some diversity is great. Asians have without much doubt been net contributors to America. The innundation of Mexican and central American heavily Indio Latinos however, which our governments have decided must be given affirmative action in various forms once they are here since they’re otherwise so uncompetitive at higher levels, hasn’t been so great.

    California has gone from having some of the highest high school graduation and achievement rates in the country a few decades ago to now the lowest or second lowest. Why do you suppose?

    Their school and social needs but low rates of taxpaying are bankrupting California, which has one of the highest state and local tax rates in the country.

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  48. How can a guy in his early 20s get more testosterone?

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  49. Dragnet wrote:

    Boy meets girl. Boy deceives girl about religion. Girl has consensual sex with boy. Girl discovers truth. Boy is convicted of rape. How long we see prosecutions of Gamesmen on similar—albeit completely baseless—grounds?

    That’s scary shit. Where does the line get drawn? Lie to a chick about how much money you make and she finds out post coitus and cries rape? What the fuck.

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  50. Oops, fucked up my blockquote.

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  51. Black women (and men) tend to have coconut crackers (proganathic jaws).

    But I guess even among blacks, there’s coconut crackers, and then there’s coconut crackers.

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  52. Pump weights hard three times a week at a gym, take DHEA as a supplement along with a good vitamin etc. selection, have successes at work and with girls, develop game to swoop girls, and eat a low carb paleo type diet.

    T is quite Lamarckian. Social success, winning, of all kinds increases it. Success with girls definitely increases it. Muscle mass increases it; fat decreases it.

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  53. Roissy

    No surprise you were right. The people who want to think we are all the same have their heads so far up their asses, there’s lots of low-hanging fruit.

    Same with game – fairly quick returns.

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  54. Seriously. I’m confused as to what constitutes a manjaw/chin on women. I mean, there are some obvious cases, but even some of the women men here say are pretty could qualify as manjaw-ers.

    I’m starting to envy women who wear burkas — especially the ones that cover the eyes. After reading this blog I’m wondering if any part of me deserves to see the light of day.

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  55. Black women (and men) tend to have coconut crackers (proganathic jaws

    I’ve noticed that blacks soften have heavier jaws, but smaller chins than whites. It’s a common sight to see a black man with big jawls but a roundish, recessed chin.

    Big chins are a feature in white-mocking cartoons (see the blonde knight in Shrek series.)

    T is quite Lamarckian.

    That’s a really cool way of putting it.

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  56. It does seem a bit confusing when you add in ‘fashionable’ beauties. Kate Walsh, obvious manjaw. But Angelina Jolie, Megan Fox, and Miranda Kerr also seem a bit manjawish, despite being feminine in other aspects.

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  57. Dream Puppy wrote:

    Am trying to find out if I have a big chin or not. How does one tell?

    If you’re a raging whore, your chin is probably big, at least according to the article.

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  58. Dragnet, under Israeli law, getting someone to have sex with you by convincing them that you are someone who you’re not is sexual fraud, not rape. There’s already a provision for fraud, so this rape conviction is something new, and hopefully it won’t stand.

    He shouldn’t have taken the plea bargain. Since he has, this is going to set a really bad precedent if it stands.

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  59. @Thursday

    I think your goal should be to marry the sweet, innocent type, and then run Silvio Berlusconi game on her.

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/07/24/what-is-a-natural/

    That’s my goal.

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  60. Re Dream Puppy: Israeli apartheid. Fuck that! What the jews have done to America completely overshadows what theyve done to the Arabs! A)1965 Imm Act. B)Massive multi-racial immigration. C)Civil Rights Act:Created a structure of complete and total system of discrimination against White men.

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  61. jews jews jews Jews Jews Jews JEWS JEWS JEWS JEWS!

    Bad weather.
    JOOZ!
    Long day.
    JOOZ!
    Nasty wife.
    JOOZ!
    Tripped and fell.
    JOOZ!

    JOOZ JOOZ JOOZ JOOZ JOOZ!

    J – E – W – S !

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  62. First of all if a girl has hairy forearms she will depilate and probably you’ll never know that.

    Secondly, I wonder does the same counts for bisexual girls? F.E. I have been with two boys but three girls. Does sleeping with girls counts as slutty thing?

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  63. on July 21, 2010 at 6:28 pm Original JB

    “Bad weather.
    JOOZ!
    Long day.
    JOOZ!
    Nasty wife.
    JOOZ!”

    Some bad guy (like Tim Geitner) who isn’t a Jew – JOO!

    If Jews didn’t exist they’d have to be invented.

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  64. @Dream Puppy, sdaed and aI

    “Girls with big chins and MAN-dibles don’t fret. It is still possible to be breathtakingly beautiful and very feminine with a large jaw. ”

    “It does seem a bit confusing when you add in ‘fashionable’ beauties. Kate Walsh, obvious manjaw. But Angelina Jolie, Megan Fox, and Miranda Kerr also ..”

    Sophia Loren, was was an iconic sex symbol, had a largish, cleft jaw too.

    You know, sometimes it’s testerone that gives a woman a large jaw, body hair, etc.; sometimes it’s ethnicity or just the traits of the individual parent. I think the connection between these traits and sexuality is real but highly exaggerated.

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  65. on July 21, 2010 at 6:44 pm Gunslingergregi

    Although I got to say that I never had contact with the
    jooz

    unless in nyc

    but then as ya go through life little things start to come together to form a whole.

    like alimony concept first started with the joos

    he he he

    I feel for the poor bastards though it is easier to be happy and stupid than it is to be happy and smart.

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  66. on July 21, 2010 at 6:47 pm Harry Morgan

    I don’t mean to threadjack, but I ran accross this blog am completely puzzled. It’s “female PUA.” Not like, girl game, but a chick apparently trying to run standard game on men. We are through the looking glass people.

    http://femalepickupartist.blogspot.com/

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  67. More on the politics of sex as a weapon between Jews and Arabs–An Arab women encourages Arab men to harass Israeli women

    Nicole–It’s interesting that “sexual fraud” is illegal in Israel; we used to have similar laws on the book in the US.

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  68. You need to clarify here…

    A defined jawline COMBINED with High cheekbones is 100% of the time 9+/Model looks and all Eastern Euro babes.

    Almost all hot babes have a distinct jawline “L” going from below cheek up to their ears…..now it may not be big boned/or massive but its there.

    Anglelina Jolie to Raquel Welch to almost all blond porn stars.

    So with out high cheekbones….yes, manly mutants.

    Not having this porduces the round/egg shaped face that goes pudgey fast (as skin is not structured by bones) as seen on most asians and overweight women.

    Even lots of hot women have big square jaws…this was big in the 90s from Maria Shriver (Ahnolds wife) to that blond on original Melrose

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  69. on July 21, 2010 at 7:06 pm White Woman

    Gawd, now we have to worry about our chin size too? Where does it end? It’s a wonder I’ve even been allowed to breed.

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  70. Gorbachev–

    Gorbachev

    jews jews jews Jews Jews Jews JEWS JEWS JEWS JEWS!

    Bad weather.
    JOOZ!
    Long day.
    JOOZ!

    I quote here dana, who’s Jewish or part Jewish and identifies Jewish (and who’s very supportive of game and most aspects of anti-feminism here).

    dana–@andrew list the ideological “movements” in the US that have been successful in acheiving their ends in say the last 100 or so years that didn’t do so on the verbal skills of us kikevermin [jews]–feminism, communism, postmodernism, NEO conservatism, frankfurt school “psychology” ism

    the white power/separatist movement is doing great without us lol a real powerhouse

    the more juden get on the men’s right bandwagon the faster you’ll see your aims broadcast and acheived

    I responded to her comment to andrew with this:

    No doubt true.

    It’s hardly the case that the role of jews in the cultural Marxist, diversity haleluja chorus singing (all kinds being axiomatically equal), and second wave an later feminist bashing and yes oppressing of males for their own entirely selfish purposes, screw the men, has been overemphasized in the country or even on this board. Just ask Dana.

    I say that as someone who’s generally philo Semitic. But I do hate cultural Marxist PC taboos and thought control, including the hair trigger anti-Semitism trigger of our pundits, main stream media, schools and universities.

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  71. Angelia Jolie when she was younger was hot, hot, hot. In Gia for example.

    Lately she has been looking rather tranny.

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  72. Went to read the slut identification guide, quite possibly Roissy’s best ever line; “a flat ass (adjusted for race)”.

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  73. This post is now about furries.

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  74. Jews actually work in secret cells of Anticulture Partisans.
    Their secret goal is to assume complete control of the world and miscegenate Pure, White blood until we White Folk are nothing but a troglodytic horde of Untermensch slaving away at the whim of our neurotic Jewish masters!

    They meet in cabals late at night where they drink the blood of water buffalo (or other ungulates) while dancing naked in mystical rites, then fornicate to Klezmer music. The cabals are presided over by OJMs (Old Jewish Moms), tyrranical and competitive dictators that have to be kept apart from each other to prevent them from showing-up each other to death. UOJM (Uber OJM) sits in a secret hotel room in Davos, Switzerland, her body cybernetically enhanced and able to control all elements of global society through secret Hebrew brain implants. Satellites in geosynchronous orbits emit brain-control waves, but the strong-willed can resist them so long as you stay away from anywhere with more than 100 people.

    Sometimes you can even see their Secret Alphabet that they use to speak to each other in code!

    Their preferred habitats are warrens located in the decayed center of cities, surrounded by mindless zombies under the direct control of satellite beams.

    They invent movies and video games to distract us. They have a secret deal with black people to undermine us, too. We all know how much Blacks want to fondle our tender white flesh, so the Jews create clever double-think propaganda to make us want to have sick, disgusting animal sex with the ugliest, stupidest blacks and produce mixed-blood troll babies.

    They trick us into believing women are men and children are evil and men are dangerous beasts. They invent Jewish science to enslave us and divert us from our True Religion of our Pure White Non-Jew God. If you don’t see it, you’re just one of those Self-Hating Whites who’s been seduced by Propaganda!

    They killed Jesus!*

    Self-hating Jews are just a front – actually, they’re straw men invented by the Cabals and they only LOOK like they’re not Jewish. They’re just plants, to lull us into a false sense of security! Right wing Jews and left-wing Jews, they’re both tricks! Really, it’s the OJMs running the show!

    It’s the Jews. They did it all! Wake up, Pure White Brothers! Wake up!

    Jews! Jews! Jews!

    JOOZ!

    * Not really a Jew. He was adopted at birth. He was probably from, like, Germany or something.

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  75. @Doug1

    It’s hardly the case that the role of jews in the cultural Marxist, diversity haleluja chorus singing (all kinds being axiomatically equal), and second wave an later feminist bashing and yes oppressing of males for their own entirely selfish purposes, screw the men, has been overemphasized in the country or even on this board. Just ask Dana.

    I say that as someone who’s generally philo Semitic. But I do hate cultural Marxist PC taboos and thought control, including the hair trigger anti-Semitism trigger of our pundits, main stream media, schools and universities.

    Jews are at the forefront of PC thought because they’re at the forefront of all intellectual developments. Jewish women, like men, are successful middle-upper class people, who, shockingly, promote feminism. Of course, this has nothing to so with them being urban, wealthy, educated, outspoken.

    Oh, yeah – Jews gravitate to education/money/professions.

    So feminism is their fault.

    Um, … right. Jews did it.

    Cause / Effect Disconnect.

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  76. Native Americans tend to be almost hairless on their bodies. No, not the ones that claim native blood and are a whopping .05% Cherokee (the largest tribe that humped like rabbits and spread their seed notoriously) like most of the population, I mean the gals who are at least 1/4 blood. No joke.

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  77. Doug-

    “Angelia Jolie when she was younger was hot, hot, hot. In Gia for example.

    Lately she has been looking rather tranny.”

    –Doug, you are my e-soulmate. (Sorry Bhetti.) We are always on the same wavelength. Totally agree.

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  78. on July 21, 2010 at 7:48 pm Vincent Ignatius

    Native Americans tend to be almost hairless on their bodies

    My father was half Native American and he had almost no hair below the neck. Not sure about below the waist, but he definitely didn’t grow hair under his arms or on his chest. His half white genes allowed him to grow a beard and mustache though.

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  79. @White Woman
    “Gawd, now we have to worry about our chin size too? Where does it end? It’s a wonder I’ve even been allowed to breed.”
    Don’t worry I have a tiny chin so seems I’m relegated to crap sex.

    Concur with Amelia who says women who have excessively hairy arms are likely to have them waxed. After a while it would stop growing.

    It’s also linked to hormonal stuff like PCOS and pregnancy. A friend of mine who is most beautiful and feminine (whose name you guys would know) got furry all over her face during pregnancy! After the baby was born, she had it waxed off and it didn’t grow up (so she says anyway ;-))

    “need a psychologically dominant boyfriend to keep her faithful.”
    Seems like a great opportunity to show how you can ‘be the man’

    @sdaedalus
    “Imagine the average lawyer chick, on a caroussel into their mid-30s, then when considerably manjawed feel their cloak ticking, but can’t produce. They’ll just die out”
    Don’t you wish you’d had all this fun on the carousel in your twenties instead of working? They’re just going to think you did it anyway. I’m not quite sure where these lawyer chicks get the time to do all this carousel riding, my friends who are lawyers don’t seem to have even a tenth of that fun.

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  80. @anouk
    Just googled Angelina to see a recent pic

    Er…I’d still be her sex kitten if she called me up and asked nicely. Or actually if she just told me. lol

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  81. Abelard,
    There is nothing wrong with that photo of Jennifer Aniston, she looks beautiful as usual.

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  82. My ex-girlfriend, who enjoys manly sports, has a shit vocabulary, hangs around with dudes, and is a cumdribbling slut, has a pretty big jaw. I remember thinking it’d be the worst insult I could ever give her – “you big jawed bitch” – or something puerile like that. But no matter what, I’d never stoop that low, that’s how you really damage a person.

    I was hoping the “Easy to Identify a Slut” comments would continue, I left this message, which addressed something no one else seemed to:

    Regarding numbers (of sexual partners), there’s a snag: these sluts are very specific about what counts as sex.

    To most, it means the insertion of a fat cock into their vaginae. This does not include anal sex, blowjobs, handjobs, tittywanks, and every other sexual act that doesn’t involve cock-in-cunt penetration.

    A chick I’m banging was telling me about her ex boyfriend, a Christian.

    The dude was against sex before marriage, but he was perfectly fine with fucking her in the ass throughout the whole 2-year relationship.

    And you know what the most retarded thing is? The chick DID NOT COUNT IT AS PART OF HER NUMBER. She said she was “with 15 guys”, but she flat out told me that the religious dude was not included because although she let him fuck her in the ass and shove his cock down her throat, he never banged her in the vagina, so it didn’t count.

    I don’t know which of them is the bigger fucking tard, the christian dude or the cumguzzling slut.

    Excuse the profanity.

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  83. “Silver Fox
    You need to clarify here…

    A defined jawline COMBINED with High cheekbones is 100% of the time 9+/Model looks and all Eastern Euro babes.

    Almost all hot babes have a distinct jawline “L” going from below cheek up to their ears…..now it may not be big boned/or massive but its there.

    Anglelina Jolie to Raquel Welch to almost all blond porn stars.

    So with out high cheekbones….yes, manly mutants.

    Not having this porduces the round/egg shaped face that goes pudgey fast (as skin is not structured by bones) as seen on most asians and overweight women.”

    This was helpful, thank you.

    “White Woman
    Gawd, now we have to worry about our chin size too? Where does it end? It’s a wonder I’ve even been allowed to breed.”

    Hahaa. Right?!

    I become more paranoid the more I read this blog, yet I’m drawn like a moth to a flame. Sick.

    “Lily
    Don’t worry I have a tiny chin so seems I’m relegated to crap sex.”

    How do you know for sure if you have a tiny chin? Can we really be that objective regarding these things? It would be different if there were a definitive way to measure or assess — like dress size or something…

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  84. Lily–

    It took a lot of makeup and lighting to make her look that femme these days. But yeah she’s a classic hot top for a lipstick bi curious girl.

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  85. @Kate
    I have, my family’s known for it and dentists always mention my small jaw and chin.

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  86. So according to this theory, a random girl from Madrid is more likely to bang you than a girl from Stockholm.

    Can the girls from one entire nation have more T on average than girls from another nation?

    Hmm.

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  87. I have a prominent jaw which does detract from my generally pretty face. My ring finger is also longer than my index finger which would indicate I was exposed to more testosterone in the womb. I do believe there is a connection between this and a more masculine outlook, however I think you may be exaggerating it somewhat. I wouldn’t blame any man for preferring a more feminine woman, in general I find them more appealing. They would also very likely be more loving and devoted to you.

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  88. Girls with cute dainty chins are more likely to cheat if their boyfriends also have dainty chins.

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  89. @Kate
    Dress size isn’t definitive because it varies so much. E.g. an Italian size 40 according to size charts should be a US 4, but typically a US 4 typically has a lot more room in it.

    Changed over time too, they say Marilyn Monroe was on the bigger size but last year or the year before when her clothes were on auction, a journalist tried them on. She was a UK 8 so US 6 and she said they were really tight.

    Sorry, went off on a tangent. I’ll have to start talking about goldfish or boyfriends and other shit that doesn’t apparently matter.

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  90. Doug1 Lately she has been looking rather tranny

    As women become older we lost the fat in our faces. So if a woman has a strong jaw, it can be somewhat hiden when she is younger but will become more prominent as she grows older because of the loss of facial fat.

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  91. on July 21, 2010 at 8:19 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””on July 21, 2010 at 7:50 pm Lily
    @White Woman
    “Gawd, now we have to worry about our chin size too? Where does it end? It’s a wonder I’ve even been allowed to breed.”
    Don’t worry I have a tiny chin so seems I’m relegated to crap sex.
    ””””’
    lol

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  92. Dream Puppy says, “That is an incredibly racist policy. What they fail to mention is why do they deem it wrong to have sex with a Palestinian in the first place. Apartheid South Africa, that place.”

    Actually, it’s not considered wrong to shag a Palestinian girl. A Jewish man may shag “fallen” and non Jewish women until they marry. They just wouldn’t be able to be married by a Rabbi. However, under Jewish law, cohabitants have the same rights as spouses. This is how so many girls here are now profitting from palimony suits.

    Because the Jewish guys here are non practicing though, non Jewish women are generally considered disposable, rather than differently acquired. They were even moreso before the rash of palimony suits. Now that it might cost them, non Jewish women are handled with a bit more care in the past couple of years.

    I believe that the rabbinical court is trying to correct the cultural problem of interethnic/interfaith exploitation, but going about it the wrong way. They went after an Arab guy because they figured he’d plea, and thus set a precedent with which they could convict Jewish guys who commit sexual fraud against non Jewish women with rape.

    So non Jewish guys will stop targetting non Jewish women for “one year stands”, or just not tell them that the reason they’re dumping them is because they’re non Jewish.

    There’s more behind this than feminism, but the religious are allowing themselves to be tooled by feminists. Too many fatherless kids are becoming a real drain on the system here, and they’re faced with a choice of either reducing the number of fatherless kids or blowing the budget on welfare.

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  93. Lily,
    Good point. I wish I had all this fun in my 20’s too like these lawyers Roissy keeps talking about.

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  94. silver fox A defined jawline COMBINED with High cheekbones is 100% of the time 9+/Model looks and all Eastern Euro babes.

    Yup, here’s one and she’s from PA’s country. One of the hottest topmodels around Magdalena Frackowiak.

    White Woman
    Gawd, now we have to worry about our chin size too? Where does it end? It’s a wonder I’ve even been allowed to breed.

    Ha white woman you haven’t heard the worst of it yet. Wait until through acculturation they start to discriminate against women with big feet and or ugly feet. Women with big feet and/or corns & bunions will cry at night. You’ll never wear another flip-flops again.

    FYI, If you wear a shoe bigger than a 6, you’re walking on canoes.
    Men anything bigger than size 8.5 and you’ve got duck feet.

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  95. on July 21, 2010 at 8:26 pm Gunslingergregi

    Hence when asian woman hit wall. One day facial fat next day none.

    Even when old though there bodies still stay tight.

    So I’ll probably just need a paper bag when my woman gets old he he he

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  96. Correction: “Because the Jewish guys here…” should be, “Because most of the Jewish guys here…”

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  97. on July 21, 2010 at 8:33 pm Gunslingergregi

    lol nicole and you know whats funny the guys who don’t give a fuck will still get away with whatever they want. The normal guys who work hard and try to prop up the system will get fucked.

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  98. Ditto Angelina Jolie’s clone Megan Fox. Never got the attraction of either of them with their manjaws.

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  99. Nicole–

    There’s more behind this than feminism, but the religious are allowing themselves to be tooled by feminists. Too many fatherless kids are becoming a real drain on the system here, and they’re faced with a choice of either reducing the number of fatherless kids or blowing the budget on welfare.

    Don’t give them welfare or child support. Let them live in poverty and by prostitution etc. Way do damn quick lower the rate of girls have oops pregnancies or shacking up with a total cad w/no dad in him.

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  100. “Lily
    @Kate
    I have, my family’s known for it and dentists always mention my small jaw and chin.”

    Ah! I have a dentist appointment tomorrow. I’ll ask him! Now to think of way to pose the question without weirding the man out…

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  101. on July 21, 2010 at 8:39 pm Gunslingergregi

    poor bastard joows

    well I only get to fuck an old bitch so everyone else should suffer.

    We should allow all the leaders of the west and jews to have as much pussy as they want and encourage it.

    Then there won’t be so much hate.

    Any guy who doesn’t fuck multiple chicks should be removed from positions of power as there is something wrong with him.

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  102. High-T women (including ones who had male fraternal twin in utero) will also communicate better with men (they can speak “guy” and actually say what they want men to receive instead of hinting and expecting telepathy) and tend to be more able to appreciate things like guns and blowin’ stuff up. Yes, they like sex, too. Just work the same male-bonding angle with her as you would with your buds along with the usual romantic/sex attraction part between man and woman, that’ll keep her tight– just make sure the “I can’t screw-over my bud” feeling guys generate with each other gets generated with her too.

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  103. Lily-

    How frickin funny. I had added a sentence on my original reply to Doug and it was..” Angie can go down on me anytime”..the reason being she’s sexy to women and it’s because she is kind of like a dude in that sense, you can tell she would dominate. I took it off assuming it would be read wrongly. Agreed for sure.

    Vincent-

    Random fact about you there, how cool. My dad too. And he has three brothers and a sister, all pretty much hairless. Major high T in my father though, and my uncles. Just genetically hairless.

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  104. Doug, this is a small country, and letting people die in the street would destroy it rather more quickly than someplace with hundreds of millions of people to spare.

    Since the problem is interethnic exploitation, on the male end, it’s best to just prevent non Jewish guys from screwing Jewish women unless they’re honest and serious, and Jewish guys from screwing non Jewish women unless they’re honest and serious.

    My issue with this is that none of what they’re doing now prevents a woman from committing sexual or pregnancy fraud against a man.

    The religious place all of the responsibility for sex on men and none on women. This plays right into the hands of feminists.

    Equality? Psht!

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  105. on July 21, 2010 at 8:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    And when the feminists serveyed the bredth of their domain they wept for there were no more men to conquer.

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  106. on July 21, 2010 at 9:02 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””There are other worlds than these”””””
    “Gunslinger”
    Stephen King

    The man was a genious.

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  107. on July 21, 2010 at 9:10 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””I believe that the rabbinical court is trying to correct the cultural problem of interethnic/interfaith exploitation, but going about it the wrong way. They went after an Arab guy because they figured he’d plea, and thus set a precedent with which they could convict Jewish guys who commit sexual fraud against non Jewish women with rape.”””’

    Know thy enemy. Know who fucked you. Do not blame the woman. Blame the lawmaker that thinks he is god because he removes himself from culpability and only injects pain onto man and pits man vs man and man vs woman. Never man vs the oppressor. The true oppressor. The true snake that must be crushed under the boot. Keeping himself as the faraway stressor and instigator of friction. While where the metal meets the meat the real people suffer.

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  108. Wait until through acculturation they start to discriminate against women with big feet and or ugly feet. Women with big feet and/or corns & bunions will cry at night. You’ll never wear another flip-flops again.

    Actually, the quality of a woman’s feet are a big determiner of whether I want to get with her or not. All guys have their make-it-or-break-it physical criteria, and feet are right up there with face, breasts and skin quality for me.

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  109. jooz…

    the Republicans are still sucking the thick veiny cocks of half-wit texans and blaming the taste of spooge in their mouths on chicks w dicks

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  110. Too many people, it seems, don’t know the difference between “jaw” and “chin”.

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  111. @Gramercy
    Actually, the quality of a woman’s feet are a big determiner of whether I want to get with her or not.

    I sold mens and women’s shoes in college, and I really hated it when moms came in to buy shoes for middle school or high school age girls. The mom would always talk the girl into shoes too small for her feet, saying the right size looked like boats. So she’d send me back for a half or full size too small. Once that was done the mom would then ask me about the specialty shoes her podiatrist had told her she needed because her own feet were screwed up from wearing the wrong size shoes.

    The reason I mention this is before your comment I could honestly say I’d never heard a guy say foot size really mattered. I can still say I’ve never walked into a bar with another guy and had him say “Hey, did you see the feet on that one?”

    To each his own. I’m an elbow man myself.

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  112. on July 21, 2010 at 10:18 pm Anonymouses Anonymous

    “Researchers from four universities across the US and Canada prodded into the sexual habits of chinny and relatively chin-less females to determine these results.”

    Chin-less? I suspect women with a chin cheat more because more men will open a chiined woman before a chin-less woman.

    What about the woman with double chins? Or the one who has a butt chin like Jim Carey in Me, Myself, & Irene?

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  113. I’m too gorgeous for you all.

    The mousy women here trying to ‘bone’ up to the doofus shticktastical numb brainical tardation have lost their status to granny panties and a bottle of rum.

    For you other dumb fuckwads…

    Love addiction is much better than skanky twat addiction.

    Learn the dif.

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  114. “The mouse women here trying to ‘bone’ up to the doofus shticktastical numb brainical tardation have lost their status to granny panties and a bottle of rum.

    For you other dumb fuckwads…

    Love addiction is much better than skanky twat addiction.”

    no, skanky twat addiction is way better. u just hate romantics.

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  115. Quote: “Can the girls from one entire nation have more T on average than girls from another nation?”

    Well , as far as Asian women go , all those soy based products they eat could be making a difference.

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  116. skanky twat has gotten me thru many a night. what has love ever done?

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  117. Chic-

    That model is stunning!

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  118. AHE-

    “what has love ever done?”

    –oh…just a bit of this and that for some of us….see Thoreau below…

    I think awhile of love, and while I think,
    Love is to me a world,
    Sole meat and sweetest drink,
    And close connecting link
    Tween heaven and earth.

    I only know it is, not how or why,
    My greatest happiness;
    However hard I try,
    Not if I were to die,
    Can I explain.

    I fain would ask my friend how it can be,
    But when the time arrives,
    Then Love is more lovely
    Than anything to me,
    And so I’m dumb.

    For if the truth were known, Love cannot speak,
    But only thinks and does;
    Though surely out ’twill leak
    Without the help of the Greek,
    Or any tongue.

    A man may love the truth and practise it, beauty he may admire,
    And goodness not omit,
    As much as may befit
    To reverence.

    But only when these three together meet,
    As they always incline,
    And make one soul the seat,
    And favorite retreat,
    Of loveliness;

    When under kindred shape, like loves and hates
    And a kindred nature,
    Proclaim us to be mates,
    Exposed to equal fates
    Eternally;

    And each may other help, and service do,
    Drawing Love’s bands more tight,
    Service he ne’er shall rue
    While one and one make two,
    And two are one;

    In such case only doth man fully prove
    Fully as man can do,
    What power there is in Love
    His inmost soul to move
    Resistlessly.

    ______

    Two sturdy oaks I mean, which side by side,
    Withstand the winter’s storm,
    And spite of wind and tide,
    Grow up the meadow’s pride,
    For both are strong

    Above they barely touch, but undermined
    Down to their deepest source,
    Admiring you shall find
    Their roots are intertwined
    Insep’rably. “

    -Henry David Thoreau

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  119. on July 21, 2010 at 11:27 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””’Love addiction is much better than skanky twat addiction.

    Learn the dif.
    ”””

    Why when you can have both?

    Mua Mua hhahahahahahhaahh

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  120. anoukange,

    yeah, thoreau expressed love perfectly. and had he been laid yet when he wrote that?

    dont get me wrong i love thoreau. but pretty sure he was aa 24 year old virgin when he wrote that.

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  121. Emerson said about love: when one’s beloved enters the room it as not as if someone entered, but as if someone left.

    but we all get over those juvenille fantasies at some age.

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  122. on July 21, 2010 at 11:47 pm Tupac Chopra

    Thursday:

    I’d also add that the most feminine women who have the most sex drive are also the most dangerous. That bad girl/girly girl combination is the most lethal.

    You can say that again, brother.

    The death of me.

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  123. males are the more romantic sex, and because of that we are the first to realize our mistake.

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  124. AHE-

    “but pretty sure he was aa 24 year old virgin when he wrote that.”

    — he must have had one sexy right hand to inspire those words.

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  125. “males are the more romantic sex, and because of that we are the first to realize our mistake.”

    —plaaaeeezzzee. No way.

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  126. on July 21, 2010 at 11:52 pm Tupac Chopra

    good comment from anonymous:

    “High-T women (including ones who had male fraternal twin in utero) will also communicate better with men (they can speak “guy” and actually say what they want men to receive instead of hinting and expecting telepathy) and tend to be more able to appreciate things like guns and blowin’ stuff up. Yes, they like sex, too. Just work the same male-bonding angle with her as you would with your buds along with the usual romantic/sex attraction part between man and woman, that’ll keep her tight– just make sure the “I can’t screw-over my bud” feeling guys generate with each other gets generated with her too.”

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  127. on July 21, 2010 at 11:55 pm Tupac Chopra

    YA:

    Too many people, it seems, don’t know the difference between “jaw” and “chin”.

    Good point.

    I’ve found myself drawn to women with all sorts of imperfections. But there are two exceptions — thin rat lips, and square jaws.

    However, I’ve banged a hottie or two with a witchy chin and never regretted it.

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  128. on July 21, 2010 at 11:56 pm Tupac Chopra

    “males are the more romantic sex, and because of that we are the first to realize our mistake.”

    —plaaaeeezzzee. No way.

    AHE is right, anouk.

    BTW, where would you place your butt-chin on the spectrum here?

    j/k — you know i love ya

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  129. on July 22, 2010 at 12:00 am Tupac Chopra

    Dana needs to be chinese-fingercuffed by her husband and Cannon.

    The circle must be made complete.

    So it is written, so it shall be done.

    “But you must understand the seven seals!!!”

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  130. Tupac! ya jerk!

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  131. The politically correct term for the chin impaired is DIMPLE. I two right above my ass as well. 😉

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  132. on July 22, 2010 at 12:17 am Tupac Chopra

    The politically correct term for the chin impaired is DIMPLE. I two right above my ass as well. 😉

    Ahhhh, so you have lumbar double-dimple. Nice.

    Do you also have the abdominal crevasse? The hip-bone ridge? How about the pussy/upper thigh triangle? Wait, I do know you have the last one. I remember that one well. 😉

    [editor: the pussy-upper thigh triangle is called the airflow. guys dig the airflow.]

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  133. More access to food and higher doses of environmental hormone pollution is causing all kinds of fucked up shit to happen. Girls are getting fertile at younger ages, breasts are getting bigger, estrogen/testosterone natural balance is out of whack.

    The same thing is happening to men with sperm count and free testosterone/xenoestrogens from plastics and pesticides. Among other things.

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  134. I like anouk’s butt chin. It gives her face character. Doesn’t work for a lot of women, but it suits her.

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  135. I forgot to add that you’ll see more lantern-jawed amazonian cock jumpers in the future.

    And also more soft, shapeless and spineless men. Some of that is from too much computer time, fast food and not enough hard labor. I’m sure no readers here are suffering from too much internets-schlub posture.

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  136. @chic noir

    I’ll see your alienesque Magdalena Frackowiak and raise you one Brittany Dailey, a woman men actually want to fuck.

    Fashion models are not usually very hot. A very few are hot, many are fuckable – as are most of the college girls that hang out at the local Irish bar. Some fashion “models” are really fucked up looking. Almost all are way too skinny.

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  137. on July 22, 2010 at 1:50 am Original JB

    “And also more soft, shapeless and spineless men. Some of that is from too much computer time, fast food and not enough hard labor. I’m sure no readers here are suffering from too much internets-schlub posture.”

    Fuck…get a gym membership — it ain’t complicated.

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  138. on July 22, 2010 at 1:53 am gunslingergregi

    ””””And also more soft, shapeless and spineless men. Some of that is from too much computer time, fast food and not enough hard labor. I’m sure no readers here are suffering from too much internets-schlub posture.””’

    I don’t do shit anymore except fuck eat and chill I am the lion on the sarengetti.

    Actually lost weight.

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  139. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digit_ratio

    Also , women with the second toe that is the same length as the big toe , or even longer , tend to have higher levels of Testosterone and tend to be more highly sexed.

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  140. on July 22, 2010 at 3:40 am msexceptiontotherule

    women with high-t

    men with low-t

    there has to be a few scientists out there who are willing to go rogue and conduct some terribly dangerous and questionable experiments in the pursuit of finding a way of transferring one to the other and balance things out.

    or make a dinosaur-chicken.

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  141. on July 22, 2010 at 4:23 am gunslingergregi

    Well they made a four assed monkey but ahh yeaa
    Nobody really knew why.

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  142. Tupac’s post reminded me of my female bone fetish. I’m sure other guys have it. My favorites are the bottom ribs, collar-bone, ankle and teeth. I’ve licked girls teeth in the past, bwa hahaha.

    I also have a thing for crooked teeth (within reason) or a tooth that sticks out. Some of my favorites:

    Kirsten Dunst
    Avril Lavigne (fantastic canines)
    Katherine Heigl
    Jewel
    Madonna’s gap teeth
    Reon Kadena
    Keira Knightley

    I find perfectly straight overly white teeth to be a turn off.

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  143. Tupac-

    “How about the pussy/upper thigh triangle? Wait, I do know you have the last one. I remember that one well. ;)”

    –naughty, naughty. I like it!

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  144. Tupac, please come to DC and rescue me from all the squares!

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  145. I have a friend who had lots of arm hair, and she loved sex, cheated on her boyfriend. Great fun to hang around, and as someone mentioned above, isvery direct and guy-like about sex and life in general.

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  146. http://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/

    You should make a post about comebacks to this (others than slapping the bitch). These can be the soul killers.

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  147. @ Nicole

    “Dragnet, under Israeli law, getting someone to have sex with you by convincing them that you are someone who you’re not is sexual fraud, not rape. There’s already a provision for fraud, so this rape conviction is something new, and hopefully it won’t stand.”

    Is the ‘sexual fraud’ statute applied equally to women as well? For instance, if a woman says she’s on birth control and isn’t and gets pregnant—is the man who was deceived every bit as likely to find redress in the courts as a woman who was also subjected to ‘sexual fraud’?

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  148. on July 22, 2010 at 10:32 am Like I Give a flying fuck

    Bitch, PUHLEASE!

    This isn’t about ‘man jaws’.

    This is about ‘FUG’.

    Ugly people will fuck more readily than good looking people because FUG can’t get as much as the HOTTIE.

    Yeah. The guy/girl with a raging case of acne and chub will put out more readily than the gorgeous beauty queen. Low self-esteem coupled with FUG is a recipe for crotch goblins gone amok.

    Jeebus.

    Rocket Science! NOT.

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  149. on July 22, 2010 at 10:35 am Like I Give a flying fuck

    Jennifer Anniston aka “Chinnifer Maniston” was loyal to Brad Pitt stick and she got cheated on by another Chinny, Chinn, Chin.

    Trying to gauge someone’s sexuality or loyalty by how they ‘look’ is fucking retarded.

    Next, Roissy is going to say that girls with ‘Crossed eyes’ give better head.

    LMFAO

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  150. Plank-

    You feelin ok? Or are you being sarcastic?

    Sharpcool-

    GET OUT! me too! I hate perfect teeth. I find the ol’ snaggle- tooth quite cute on some people.

    Beauty in bone structure is an endless love affair for me. The cup dip on men, near the hip and pelvic bone….mmmm…lovely.

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  151. dragnet–

    Is the ‘sexual fraud’ statute applied equally to women as well? For instance, if a woman says she’s on birth control and isn’t and gets pregnant—is the man who was deceived every bit as likely to find redress in the courts as a woman who was also subjected to ‘sexual fraud’?

    Very good question.

    Especially with the modern levels of child support. Which I’d imagine are similarly high and include stealth alimony in Israel, given who was at the forefront of pushing for same in the US.

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  152. Nicole

    Doug, this is a small country, and letting people die in the street would destroy it rather more quickly than someplace with hundreds of millions of people to spare.

    Since the problem is interethnic exploitation, on the male end, it’s best to just prevent non Jewish guys from screwing Jewish women unless they’re honest and serious, and Jewish guys from screwing non Jewish women unless they’re honest and serious.

    I don’t agree whatsoever for one second woman.

    I like my solution. And boy would it work. After much hysterical female wailing and bitching.

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  153. no surprise there.. girls with big chins aren’t attractive and for good reason.

    “If you are doing a girl doggy style, and a thatch of thick ass crack hair is staring back at you, you can bet she’s exceeded the national female median of three lifetime sex partners.”

    hahahaha! thx Roissy il keep that in mind next time im looking at a girls ass hair

    “their numbers in the general female population seem to be increasing of late”

    this is alarming..

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  154. “Lily
    @Kate
    Dress size isn’t definitive because it varies so much. E.g. an Italian size 40 according to size charts should be a US 4, but typically a US 4 typically has a lot more room in it.

    Changed over time too, they say Marilyn Monroe was on the bigger size but last year or the year before when her clothes were on auction, a journalist tried them on. She was a UK 8 so US 6 and she said they were really tight.”

    Dress size is definitive in that we immediately know what is larger and what is smaller in comparison to others — the exact way the sizes work based on where one lives, or the time in which one lives, regardless. I’m not sure a larger chin and jaw is as immediately obvious to one who looks at herself in the mirror everyday.

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  155. @ Gorbachev

    “They meet in cabals late at night where they drink the blood of water buffalo (or other ungulates) while dancing naked in mystical rites, then fornicate to Klezmer music.”

    Sounds like a party!!!

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  156. @Like I Give a flying fuck

    “Next, Roissy is going to say that girls with ‘Crossed eyes’ give better head.”

    But he’ll be confusing cause and effect. Staring at your lover’s penis during fellatio causes crossed-eyes.

    Staring at someone else’s penis while fellating your lover causes wall-eyes.

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  157. Oh no….. I have a somewhat big chin, dark forearm hair and have always been a nerd into the hard sciences (doing my graduate degree in that now), the ring-finger and index finger ratio equal, into sci-fi and… Dammit. I’m doomed.

    Worst off… I grew up Catholic and always dreamed of my husband being my first one.

    =(

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  158. @Dragnet

    “For instance, if a woman says she’s on birth control and isn’t and gets pregnant—”

    I would agree that it’s fraud, but how do you prove the difference between an accidental contraceptive failure and intentional lying or purposely skipping a pill?

    No matter how we try, we can’t just past the fact that sex causes babies. If you have sex and a pregnancy happens, whether or not you or your partner tried to prevent it, you are one of the responsible parties and will have to deal in one or another with the consequences.

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  159. @ J

    “I would agree that it’s fraud, but how do you prove the difference between an accidental contraceptive failure and intentional lying or purposely skipping a pill?”

    I would agree that this is problematic—except that in practice objective proof isn’t needed to secure a conviction when the defendant is male. Many male defendants are convicted of rape solely on the woman’s say-so—classic “he said/she said” where the “she said” is given greater weight simply because it came from a woman. The VAWA permits a man to be dispossessed of his liberty, property, and children solely on a woman’s accusation of domestic violence. And in the case in Israel, it wasn’t obvious that the Arab man admitted to deceiving his Jewish whore. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least that he was railroaded entirely just on her say-so.

    If a woman’s word is good enough to convict a man of rape then a man’s word should be good enough establish the existence of a fraud.

    “If you have sex and a pregnancy happens, whether or not you or your partner tried to prevent it, you are one of the responsible parties and will have to deal in one or another with the consequences.”

    Yes, unless of course you’re the woman and can terminate the consequences by aborting your child. The problem I have with this is that the law & culture provides women a ready-made escape hatch wrt to the consequences of sex and does no such thing for men.

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  160. @ Dranet

    “If a woman’s word is good enough to convict a man of rape then a man’s word should be good enough establish the existence of a fraud.”

    I know plenty of attorneys, male and female, defense and prosecution, who would attest that in reality a woman’s word isn’t good enough to convict a man of rape. Loads of cases go down the tbes on lack of evidence.

    “Yes, unless of course you’re the woman and can terminate the consequences by aborting your child. ”

    Many male commenters on this blog answer women with “Don’t blame me, blame biology. Culture is based on biology.” This is a case where biology favors the woman. The pregnancy happens in her body. If it is a risky or dangerous pregnancy, the medical risks are 100% hers–just like the stretch marks or C-section scar. If the guy ditches, raising the child will be her responsibility. If she aborts, the emotional consequences are hers to live with.
    While a guy can be very hurt by the choices a woman makes, the bulk of the effect of the situation falls on her.

    I once dated a guy who pulled out a baby picture in the middle of a date and proceeded to tell me how his ex-gf gave the baby up for adoption and there was nothing he could do as he was a minor at the time. I tell that story to my sons and then tell them to be careful where they put their dicks. If you know a situation can get out of your control, then you need to exercise caution about getting into it.

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  161. J–

    If you have sex and a pregnancy happens, whether or not you or your partner tried to prevent it, you are one of the responsible parties and will have to deal in one or another with the consequences.

    Absolutely not.

    The woman could take plan B, abort the fetus, or give the child up for adoption. In America a man has none of these options. If the woman keeps the child she wants to have that child and be a mother to it. An unmarried and non cohabitating man rarely wants the child and certainly doesn’t want fathering responsibilities. Certainly that’s what he’d overwhelmingly say in her first and second trimester, if he had a real choice.

    If the man doesn’t want the child and the greatly jacked up by feminists in the 90s child support=stealth alimony he shouldn’t have to. She wanted the kid; she can deal. (The result would be a lot more kids given up for adoption as before these feminist changes. But even more there’d be a WHOLE lot less “accidentaly” pregnancies.)

    I’ve become convinced contra the post feminist media propaganda, that the vast majority of accidental pregnancies are really oops ones of one kind or another, fully conscious sometimes, partly, mostly or entirely subconscious the majority of times. Girls wanting a baby now, especially one from the particular guy in question for a variety of reasons (alpha gene and good provider and hope he’ll marry her when she’s preggers), accidentally on purpose forget to take their pill a bunch of days, etc.

    If the disincentives were strong enough most of this wouldn’t happen, as it used to not do. Out of wedlock pregnancies among whites have gone up from the mid single digits in 1960 to about 30% now. Why do you suppose this happened? Yeah it’s all on the girls side, virtually. So yes I do blame them.

    Contra feminism and out lefty media with it’s PC taboos on certain kinds of dissent, it’s the girls fault if she gets knocked up by a guy who doesn’t want to marry her or support the kid.

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  162. J–

    While a guy can be very hurt by the choices a woman makes, the bulk of the effect of the situation falls on her.

    Not if the guy makes a good income and is findable cause he has a responsible job it’s not. Not remotely you totally wedged feminist addled womyn. Under feminist way jacked up child support=stealth alimony he’ll owe maybe 40% of his after tax income for one kid (and her) for 18 years (and in some states 21 years) for a child he didn’t want but she did. Or she would have given it up for adoption. Which wasn’t an option for him.

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  163. Not all man jaws on woman look bad. Daryl Hannah back in the day was pretty friggin hot. Ironically I had a girlfriend who was a red headed version of her, only built like a fucking amazon. She most definitely had a high libido. She went on to work in the sex industry and has been in an open marriage for awhile now. Her idea not his.

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  164. Dragnet asks, “Is the ‘sexual fraud’ statute applied equally to women as well? For instance, if a woman says she’s on birth control and isn’t and gets pregnant—is the man who was deceived every bit as likely to find redress in the courts as a woman who was also subjected to ‘sexual fraud’?”

    According to a police officer and a lawyer I asked about this, it is technically illegal here for a woman to convince a man to have sex with her under the pretense of being on the pill. It wouldn’t be “rape by fraud” like in the case of a man, but it would be something like, “sexual assault by fraud” on the level of molestation of an adult.

    So a man could justifiably file a complaint, but it is very unlikely that the state will take it to the next level and file charges. It has not been done yet.

    Yet.

    After what happened to this guy, I believe that some man somewhere with some money will do it.

    He would still be resposible for the child though. If he wanted to increase his chances of getting full or partial custody, at least filing a fraud complaint against her would at least put it on record that she may have intended to get pregnant in order to con him out of some money.

    So instead of paying her, he could have the child with him…if things go in his favor.

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  165. J–

    Unmarried and unpartnered women who keep their babies should once again be shamed as sluts, whores, irresponsible.

    Woman’s choice. Woman’s responsibility.

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  166. Nicole–

    He would still be resposible for the child though.

    He shouldn’t have to be if he didn’t want it but she obviously did, when she didn’t abort it or give it up for adoption.

    We know all about female reproductive choice these days.

    Male choice should be to either have parental rights including frequent temporary custody, and pay child support (which shouldn’t include stealth alimony), or else give up irrevocably all parental rights but also have no child support=stealth alimony obligations.

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  167. Dragnet-

    The problem I have with this is that the law & culture provides women a ready-made escape hatch wrt to the consequences of sex and does no such thing for men.

    Exactly.

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  168. Jeez how did this thread get turned into a fucking chat about Isreal and Arabs and Jews and sexual fraud?

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  169. Res ipsa loquitur… the thing speaks for itself. a gorgeous intelligent girl who is single at 27 is self-destructive/narcissistic/flaky/bitter/likes fucking around/likes psychos/medicine cabinet full of meds…
    she chooses her fate (or her biology chooses her). hot women choose their destinies because they have the power to do so. reading them is a five minute journey through their life history. there are no excuses. a hot chick can find a great guy in a major city in two months if she applies herself … ergo single hot chicks are usually disordered or freaks with furry arms.

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  170. Doug

    My mom is back in the hospital, and this looks like it’s going to get more involved than I have time for. I’ll try to get back to you later, but I suspect that the other gals will have plenty to say.

    Feel free to insult me in my absence, but I need to get to the hospital today.

    Needless to say though, while I don’t believe women should intentionally trick men into being fathers, I view sex as being a bit like driving a car. When you get on the roas, you know certain risks will be involved and you assume responsibility for those risks. Among them will be supporting a kid you don’t want, having a woman give away a kid you do want, having a woman refuse to abort a kid you don’t want, having a woman abort a kid you do want, etc. Women also assume many risks that I could describe and you could discount. The bottom line is that when have sex, you run the risk of accidentally making a baby and somehow someone is going to get hurt. It sounds like you just don’t want it to be you.

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  171. J–

    Among them will be supporting a kid you don’t want

    Only because that’s the feminist f*cking law.

    It shouldn’t be when are what about 9 forms of reversible birth control all but one under the sole knowledge and control of the girl. Girls who really don’t want to get pregnant don’t. Even if she does there’s both abortion and the traditional but now little used option by white women of giving the infant up for adoption.

    It’s indentured servitude for men to be forced to pay feminist way jacked up child support=alimony for a kid you didn’t want. It doesn’t have to be that way and it shouldn’t. And it really pisses me off.

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  172. J–

    Why do I say I’ve become convinced that girls who get preggers out of wedlock or committed cohabiting relationships where the man wants the kid, almost always do so on purpose, fully conscious or much more often mostly or fully subconsciously?

    How often do girls in elite colleges get preggers and keep the baby? Damn rarely. Yet many of them screw like bunnies.

    The sob story is a feminist/leftist myth.

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  173. J–

    The bottom line is that when have sex, you run the risk of accidentally making a baby and somehow someone is going to get hurt. It sounds like you just don’t want it to be you.

    Your damn right I don’t want to be put into indentured servitude when if nothing else she could have given the bambino up for adoption. So that’s a little hard. Cry me a river. Not like paying huge for 18 years and more.

    With choice comes responsibility. Or should. She had hugely more choice along the road that ends with her having and keeping the baby than he did.

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  174. J–

    Needless to say though, while I don’t believe women should intentionally trick men into being fathers, I view sex as being a bit like driving a car. When you get on the roas, you know certain risks will be involved and you assume responsibility for those risks.

    Yeah that’s a regurgitating of the standard feminist/media line on the subject. Feminists use it cause they’ve found out it works well on Christian conservative guys, who often have lingering guilt about sex outside of marriage anyway. That line is designed to exploit that meme.

    When a girl really doesn’t want to become preggers she can and women in the US do take steps that keep it from happening. For the small percentage of true accidents, she can abort or give for adoption.

    Therefore the guy shouldn’t be forced literally by gunpoint herding him into a jail cell these uber feminist days, to accept the 18 years and more of indentured servitude that the state now subjects him to. Change the law.

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  175. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/29/politics/uwire/main3894875.shtml

    Another ‘rape by deception’ case—this time here in the US. Money quote:

    “She said a person’s intentions determine whether criminal charges apply to a case because the proposed law aims to stop sociopaths who repeatedly rape by deception– not people who are simply boasting to seduce someone.”

    I’ll bet you any kind of money the bolded section will be twisted and warped to prosecute Gamesmen/PUAs.

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  176. dragnet —

    Disturbing story, that. Next frontier for game: selecting and addressing juries.

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  177. dragnet–

    The language of that media piece is so feminist biased it utterly infuriates me.

    Without the new legislation, police and prosecutors are virtually helpless when someone reports a rape that occurred because the victim was deceived or tricked into consenting. Legislators cited a case in western Massachusetts in which a woman consented to intercourse with her boyfriend’s brother because he claimed to be the woman’s boyfriend.

    In another case of “fraud” rape, a lab technician posed as a medical doctor and sexually assaulted a woman. Legislators said they hope changing the law will prevent future rapes and bring those guilty of any form of rape to justice.

    “virtually helpless” Poor feminist them.

    “rape occurring” No it wasn’t a rape when a girl is tricked. If she’s so concerned the slut should do more due diligence. Caveat emptor. She consented.

    No the lab tech didn’t “sexually assault” her. that’s the result you want, not the natural law truth of the matter, lying feminist journalist. Let the slut take more care to find out first it it’s real important to her.

    This is so out of hand it’s nauseating.

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  178. Doug, guys have birth control options that work very well too: condoms and technical abstinence. If a guy doesn’t want to run the risk of getting a girl pregnant, he wears a condom.

    If the girl sabotages the condom, that’s another story.

    IMO, anybody, male or female, who has sex irresponsibly is a dumbass deserving of whatever nature gives them for it.

    My problem isn’t with nature, but with the law. I don’t think men should be legally obligated to pay child support. When the child is older, it’ll be on him to explain why, and, “Your mom is a whore,” is probably not going to be the best answer because the dad was the idiot who fucked a whore without a condom.

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  179. Nicole–

    Doug, guys have birth control options that work very well too: condoms and technical abstinence. If a guy doesn’t want to run the risk of getting a girl pregnant, he wears a condom.

    Complete feminist utterly one sided, women are all that really matter, women way,way, way, way first, horseshiite.

    Technical abstinence? Are you kidding unless that’s someone’s reglious belief? In an age of abundantly various methods of reversible birth control, all but one of which, which also allow full copulation, are within a woman’s sole knowledge and control?

    The condom only sort of allows for full sexual intercourse. It greatly cuts down on pleasure especially for the guy. It’s a plastic raincoat over his manhood. It’s not skin to skin. Is that full sex? No not really. Why should a guy who’s comfortable that the girl’s serious STI free and who’s told she’s on another birth control method, have to use a condom so as not to risk being defrauded by her — with the consequence of 18 years or more of indentured servitude to her. The plain answer is he shouldn’t.

    Especially since she has three after the fact options to not be a mother that he doesn’t: Plan B, abortion and govomg for adoption.

    Roe for men. Stop women’s endemic ooops babies putting men these uber feminist days into indentured servitude.

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  180. Nicole–

    My problem isn’t with nature, but with the law. I don’t think men should be legally obligated to pay child support. When the child is older, it’ll be on him to explain why, and, “Your mom is a whore,” is probably not going to be the best answer because the dad was the idiot who fucked a whore without a condom.

    Ah, ok then.

    I don’t think it would be THAT hard to explain why. Our western entertainment media just tries to make men think it would be that hard.

    Something like:

    I wanted to have sex with your mother but didn’t want to marry her. I hadn’t promised to marry her. She wanted sex anyway as did I as is common as you know. She told me she was on x birth control. Really I think she wanted a child, maybe hoping I’d marry her, but i didn’t. But in any event she had plan B, abortion and adoption as methods to not be a mother if she wanted them.

    Now that you’re a child of x age, I’m glad to meet and know you. You do have my genes in you. But no at the time of your conception I didn’t want a child but I think your mother did.

    I might also throw in:

    You know a guy can only afford to bring up a very few kids in his life these days, or at least do so well. I didn’t want to have children when you were conceived and frankly didn’t want to have them with your mother. I wanted to wait to have children with a woman I really loved. You mother wanted to have you while I didn’t. She wouldn’t have kept you otherwise, or raised you as she has. And yes she’s far more your parent than I’ll ever be. I didn’t raise you but I am your bio dad. Such is modern feminist life. In former times she’d have been far far less likely to have “oops” conceived you without a commitment from me about being a father to you, and if she did or it was a true accident, she’d have been socially shamed into giving you for adoption into a two parent married couple.

    That kind of discussion could appear in American entertainment media when this topic arises but of course it never ever is, for feminist/leftist reasons.

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  181. Again, Doug, I don’t think men should be legally obligated to do anything but fuck off if they’re stupid enough to have sex and not want to share the responsibility for the possible consequences.

    You seem to not only want women to suck it up, but to like you afterwards.

    I think guys who shag women they wouldn’t want to be the mothers of their children, and then abandon their offspring are weak.

    Weak as in barely human.

    I have no mercy for them because I’ve been in the situation of sitting across a table from a guy who told me to my face that basically I wasn’t good enough for him because of my ethnicity.

    He is fortunate to be alive today.

    My body rejected the child I was pregnant with at the time, at that moment. I was bleeding clumps the next morning. That was how I found out I was pregnant.

    Granted, I was a dumbass for doing him, although he seemed like a nice guy and had pursued me over a year. I didn’t suspect that someone like him could do something like that.

    If nature hadn’t aborted the child, I would have. It’s cruel to say, but it’s the truth.

    So really, if a guy’s going to walk away, I want nothing from him. Nothing.

    I just don’t want him to ask for my respect or even recognition of his humanity after that. If I could cut him up and bathe in his blood, and castrate his father while his mother watched me mix their miscreant blood with gasoline, and burn every trace of their DNA off of this planet which deserves better than to have such wastes of flesh stepping on her precious soil, and get away with it, I would.

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  182. Doug says, “I wanted to have sex with your mother but didn’t want to marry her.”

    You might as well tell the kid, “I’m a mangina who fell for the feminist and Hollywood script of hot sex for free from non prostitutes.”

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  183. Nicole–

    I think guys who shag women they wouldn’t want to be the mothers of their children, and then abandon their offspring are weak.

    You’re practically taking a no sex outside of marriage or being engaged stance.

    No I don’t remotely support that, esp. for men. And particularly in this environment, which I didn’t create. And yes I do believe in some double standards particularly when they’re biologically based.

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  184. Nicole–

    “I’m a mangina who fell for the feminist and Hollywood script of hot sex for free from non prostitutes.”

    Fell for it? That’s one of the more ridiculous things you’ve said.

    What proportion of men through history haven’t want that with hot looking girls?

    Now girls falling for the notion that doing a whole lot of this won’t tend to have consequences for them is another matter.

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  185. Doug says, “You’re practically taking a no sex outside of marriage or being engaged stance.”

    For people under 40-ish yes.

    I came to this after seeing how things really work in the middle east outside of over hyped honor killing incidents.

    A person should have to have been married or reached a certain age before they’re socially entitled to join the fun club. Until then, they’re wasting a valuable resource by having casual sex: nubile cocks and wombs that need to be making the next generation of civilized folk, not underparented barbarians.

    The death of this country is coming in the form of kids having casual sex before they have a clue.

    “No I don’t remotely support that, esp. for men.”

    That’s what prostitution is for. If a young man wants to have casual sex, he needs to be having that with someone who gets paid to do it, not with normal girls who should be (and usually are) looking for a husband.

    Not everyone is a lucky princess like I was…but then I suppose cultural trust rendered the sex non casual.

    “And particularly in this environment, which I didn’t create. And yes I do believe in some double standards particularly when they’re biologically based.”

    The problem with certain double standards is that they’re not feasable in real life. If no young women were putting out, then to get casual sex, men would have to go to prostitutes or older women like back in the day or today in the middle east.

    That’s a good system because there aren’t so many excess people that men would be able to run around having casual sex with a bunch of women without a large proportion of them being rendered unsuitable for marriage or LTR’s.

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  186. Doug says, “Fell for it? That’s one of the more ridiculous things you’ve said.”

    Yes, fell for it. You’re one of those people who thinks *men* get lots of hot sex from hot women who aren’t prostitutes. The truth is that this happens for very, very few men.

    If you’re one of them, of course you wouldn’t want this to change.

    …but most men, if they understood that, for them, it’s a big feminist lie, would throw their televisions out the window.

    “What proportion of men through history haven’t want that with hot looking girls?”

    Every guy wants it, but very few get it. There are, by the way, many hot prostitutes. If a man, living in a culture where there is no casual sex available from non pros, wants sex with a hot woman, this is a good option, provided whores are respected well enough.

    “Now girls falling for the notion that doing a whole lot of this won’t tend to have consequences for them is another matter.”

    It has consequences for both because if there is a lack of suitable young women for marriage or LTR’s, guys who aren’t rich or particularly alpha don’t get laid….at least not with any regularity.

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  187. Nicole–

    Yes, fell for it. You’re one of those people who thinks *men* get lots of hot sex from hot women who aren’t prostitutes. The truth is that this happens for very, very few men.

    If you’re one of them, of course you wouldn’t want this to change.

    Yes I’m one of them.

    But you know Nicole most US men get sex before marriage with some number of girls.

    And I do want tons of things about feminism to change, some of them because they’ll help me or remove risks, and others because they’ll be good for betas and society in general. Some of that might crimp my style some or rather thin opportunities some but I doubt much and what the hey.

    Aside from all the feminist laws I’ve repeatedly said in detail I want repealed, I want their to be social and media pressure again on girls to marry younger, by 25 usually or 27 latest. That would be good for betas. As would my desire for misandrous messages against guys, mostly white guys actually, to end in the mass entertainment media and in schools and unis. To be taboo, at least to go too far and in way that’s unbalanced w/respect to others. And so on and on.

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  188. on July 22, 2010 at 11:32 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””I’ve become convinced contra the post feminist media propaganda, that the vast majority of accidental pregnancies are really oops ones of one kind or another, fully conscious sometimes, partly, mostly or entirely subconscious the majority of times. Girls wanting a baby now, especially one from the particular guy in question for a variety of reasons (alpha gene and good provider and hope he’ll marry her when she’s preggers), accidentally on purpose forget to take their pill a bunch of days, etc. ”””””

    Naa man it is proved. My 1st wife head of family support group in military so she had lot of interation with the woman. Basically she said all the pregnancies were “accidental” Funnily enough she took her pill like she was supposed to and never had my kid that I didn’t want.
    All the other woman said accident. But it takes more than missing one day to do. lol
    The woman were doing it on purpose. Every 1st kid born was an accident.
    What woman tell other woman will blow your fucking mind.

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  189. on July 22, 2010 at 11:37 pm gunslingergregi

    The key is to tell a woman you are with exactly how you feel about having a baby with her.

    Which is what I did with first wife.
    I didn’t want kid until I wanted one.
    Therefore she didn’t have an accidental pregnancy.
    Plus she knew I wasn’t gonna be paying for a kid in event of seperation.

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  190. on July 22, 2010 at 11:41 pm gunslingergregi

    The key to not getting fucked is really to be fucking brutally fucking honest about your intentions and what you will accept from a woman in life. You will still get pussy but the woman will not be able to fool herself into believing she can use you as her slave.

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  191. on July 22, 2010 at 11:43 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””’polymath
    dragnet –

    Disturbing story, that. Next frontier for game: selecting and addressing juries.
    ””””’
    The only thing a man can do under the current system is die well.
    In the future it will be the same.

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  192. on July 22, 2010 at 11:45 pm gunslingergregi

    Be willing to die for your beliefs and to keep your liberty and make sure you take out the lawyer trying to fuck you.
    Only diference that can be made.

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  193. on July 22, 2010 at 11:48 pm gunslingergregi

    That is the only diference between a man and an animal.
    The animal can be forced to do anything you want it to by breaking its will.

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  194. It’s true:

    Historically, prostitutes, courtesans and paid women were more respected. The dirtiness of lower-class women had more to do with class than anything else, especially in a place like England.

    But prostitution was considered part of female nature.

    Brothels were often places for a drink, for political meetings or any other kind of talk. Even just male socializing.

    But that kind of woman was very different from the Good Wife at home.

    That said, lots of men loved prostitutes, too.

    Interesting.

    I’ve never paid for sex. I can’t say.

    BUT

    I have slept with women who were once working girls, of a sort.

    Story 1:

    I’ll call her Bai. I was in Shanghai. I met her at a work-related function. She was 4 years younger than me, 29 years old, and had two degrees. This was significant, because her family was poor. She was hard; aggressive. She and I hit it off, talked, and she invited me after the second meeting to her small apartment. It was obvious what we were up to, so I made myself comfortable and we just went straight to sex om her cues (lifting her skirt and sitting on my lap kind of hinted at it). It was matter-of-fact and she was extremely direct and to the point, moreso than any other woman I knew.

    Crazy girl: A bit of a cynic, didn’t believe anything men said, but loved loved male company: not just sex. She wanted to DO things with me: travel, hang out, talk, talk, talk, she was incredibly social. We spent days together; mostly didn’t have sex.

    It came out (during a nightly session) when I asked, because I suspected, that she knew more about sex than I thought.
    She asked how open Westerners were (I wasn’t her first, but among them): I said you can say anything, given that we’re naked. She told me over an hour-long conversation that she’d worked her way through college by being a kept woman for a nice older guy, a member of the local party mechanisms; I learned more about Chinese politics from her than I learned from anyone else.

    She was a “kept woman” for 4 different men over the course of her school life. And worked in a high-class brothel (more or less) on-call for very rich clients for a year.

    Anyway, she was clean (which was my big worry), and that assuaged my big concern; but one thing: she knew more about men, generally, than any woman I’ve ever met.

    She liked sex with me, and was a bit voracious; but targeted. She had an itch she needed scratched, and sought the fastest way to the most powerful scratching she could get. Once done, again, it was like being with a friend. She was matter-of-fact, no false intimacy.

    But mostly she liked to spend time with me. She was amazed that I wasn’t judgmental, and this was why she appreciated me so much. She loved that. She couldn’t just fuck other men and then have conversations about organizational philosophy.

    We still correspond occasionally. She’s dating a very rich Malaysian Chinese guy.

    Story 2

    I knew an American woman (older) who had a hard time with life generally. Divorced from a guy who fooled around. We slept together after alcohol and dancing when I first got back to the States after being abroad for years, one of the first women I met.

    Turns out: Before she was married, she was a prostitute in university. No-one knew, even her husband. She made comments about the young girls around the dance club, saying she should know if they were working girls or not, when I doubted they were. When I said there was no way she could know, she said; I know. I said no way. She then told me she’d exchanged sex for money with older men while she was in college.

    She seemed nothing like the type I imagined. Obviously, I knew nothing.

    I still don’t.

    So you never know.

    I was told once that up to 10% of the female population in the US has, at one point or another, exchanged sex for money in a more-or-less exchange. The figure for Korea is 15%, and I definitely believe that one (You need to go there to see it).

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  195. One word: Palin.

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  196. Guns says, “The key to not getting fucked is really to be fucking brutally fucking honest about your intentions and what you will accept from a woman in life. You will still get pussy but the woman will not be able to fool herself into believing she can use you as her slave.”

    Thank you. This is a guy I’d be willing to abort for, but not because of a desire to do my bit to wipe out his line. It would be because I respect him enough not to basically rape him.

    Any pregnancies that occured would be either purely or hormonally accidental (stuff happens in the heat of the moment, and some guys do unconsciously sabotage birth control or do it against the rhythm when they’re with a woman who they would like to have babies with but the timing and/or situation isn’t right).

    When you’re talking about human beings, human error and hormones have to be taken into account. Women should be butched for the possible consequences as much as men, and to raise them otherwise is criminal neglect.

    Since so many women are raised without a real sense of personal responsibility, to cover the bases, a guy should be clear about his intentions, and that any kind of fraud will cost her more than it will cost him.

    It sounds like a downer in text, but in execution, it could be just the kind of edge a guy normally pegged as beta needs to nudge him into “alpha enough” in a woman’s mind. Assuming control of what goes on with one’s genitalia and genetic material is very Dom. 🙂

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  197. Gorbachev, this is why I think prostitution should be a legal and socially legitimate profession.

    There are many women who are just not cut out for wifery. When you herd all women towards conventional relationships regardless of their personal orientation or situation, you set many men up to get screwed and pressure wifely types of women to have to function as both wives and whores.

    Some 9’s and 10’s somewhere with incredible anti aging genes might be able to pull that off. The rest of us who get chubby and wrinkled when we get old, have to worry that our husbands are not going to just shag, but actually leave us for younger, hotter women.

    If it’s legal and accepted, then a woman who rolls that way doesn’t need a pimp for more than referrals and security, and she can be entertaining, engaging, and probably wouldn’t need to be on drugs to do her job.

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  198. This thread has been jacked to holy hell.

    My sincerest apologies.

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  199. on July 24, 2010 at 3:22 am gunslingergregi

    ”””””’Roe for men. Stop women’s endemic ooops babies putting men these uber feminist days into indentured servitude.””””

    Doug you were owning this thread. You know what you could do. Blow some coin on an add campaign on tv. Doesn’t cost much for adds. And I think would make you feel better like you tried your best. I felt like the more I see about the bullshit the more I feel like I have to do something. So I am trying to reframe because yea otherwise gonna have to face reality. So yea bro add campaign shit only costs like 2 dollars per minute for an area add for 36k people. Have the add done up like some kind of animal rights type add and then run that shit country wide a few times. Ask for donations to help further mens rights might just pay for itself and allow you to get a better nights sleep. It is hard as fuck when you haven’t been affected personally by something but it has affected your life to see bad things happen to other people. Having compassion is hard but empathising is harder. So really I think you are in a position to be able to make a diference maybe that is how you could do it on a massive scale.

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  200. on July 24, 2010 at 3:55 am gunslingergregi

    ””””””’Nicole,
    If nature hadn’t aborted the child, I would have. It’s cruel to say, but it’s the truth.

    So really, if a guy’s going to walk away, I want nothing from him. Nothing.

    I just don’t want him to ask for my respect or even recognition of his humanity after that. If I could cut him up and bathe in his blood, and castrate his father while his mother watched me mix their miscreant blood with gasoline, and burn every trace of their DNA off of this planet which deserves better than to have such wastes of flesh stepping on her precious soil, and get away with it, I would.”””””””

    So now it comes out. Just remember if two people don’t love each other it doesn’t matter if they split. Becasue it is not good not to be loved back. So probably overall the best thing for you. As you said it seems like some men have loved you. The secret and hard part is to find the match both ways.

    ”””””””Nicole
    Guns says, “The key to not getting fucked is really to be fucking brutally fucking honest about your intentions and what you will accept from a woman in life. You will still get pussy but the woman will not be able to fool herself into believing she can use you as her slave.”

    Thank you. This is a guy I’d be willing to abort for, but not because of a desire to do my bit to wipe out his line. It would be because I respect him enough not to basically rape him.
    ”””””””
    awww he he he
    glad your feeling better.

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  201. on July 24, 2010 at 4:10 am gunslingergregi

    ”””’dragnet
    This thread has been jacked to holy hell.

    My sincerest apologies.
    ”””’

    Naa dude sometimes there is a big gangreen pretty lie inside that just needs the right needle to drain.

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  202. No sarcasm here anouk. What, a guy can’t give a girl a compliment without her jumping down his throat?

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  203. As far as an ad campaign, I say get ’em young.

    I like how the polar bear didn’t lie to her, and suggested a fun and effective solution.

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  204. @DAt_Truth_hurts- you win hands down. Your model has a nice body too.

    I was being sarcastic, my model was one of the worst man jaws I’ve ever seen on a woman.

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  205. I’ve put up a reply to you on the other thread, Lily.

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  206. […] Time to Rethink Democracy?“, “‘I Have a Boyfriend’ Responses“, “Of Manjaws and Furry Forearms“, “The Pill“, “Women Are Most Deluded at […]

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  207. Uh, thanks Plank. That was nice. 🙂

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  208. on July 25, 2010 at 3:56 pm roundrectangles are for squares

    I find very feminine looking woman to be very pretty, probably the prettiest. I also think they are the FIRST to lose there looks. Their beauty is in the freshness of their youth and cute, dainty, dewy femininity.

    Woman that I find most beautiful though tend to have strong structural faces that I find common among men. Granted their eyes are wide set and their lips are fuller. But they definitely tend to have less feminine pixy like features.

    In general, I also find that more masculine looking attactive women tend to retain their looks for a lot longer in comparison to hyperfem women. They are also more likely to be considered sexy and seem to be more sexually aggressive.

    Pretty-femme women on the otherhand tend to be more sexually submissive….or not as interested in sex

    As a woman or a man, I’d choose to be or be with a more masculine tinted attractive woman compared to the pixy prettiness that gets ragged looking and sloppy as soon as you hit the mid to late 20s…..

    How many pre-teen and teen girls do you remember from your youth who were unbelieveably hyper-femme pretty who then lost it all i ntheir mid 20s?

    Exhibit A: Bridgette Bardot – hyper femme (unbelievably pretty)

    Exhibit B: Sophia Loren – masculine attractiveness (hot)

    One looks like grizzzled wrinkly meat – the other is still kind of hot for an old lady.

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  209. I agree about the incredibly pretty, fresh & dewy girls whose sex appeal is built on their freshness and dewiness, this tends to go very early, usually in the late teens, early 20s, although they may be still attractive, they’ve lost that particular thing that made them special.

    I would say some women peak in their teens and some in their early twenties, maybe even some in their mid to late twenties. Usually the big change in the twenties (weight gain aside) is loss of weight on the face. Some girls look better as their faces slim down (Grace Kelly was a very good example of this, I think Kylie is also another example, I agree with Lily on this), others start to look a bit haggard very quickly.

    I don’t think women’s looks improve after their late twenties, some may plateau for a bit if they are lucky, that’s all. A woman who lets herself go a bit in her twenties, getting fat etc. but corrects this in her thirties, may possibly look better in her thirties than her twenties, but this is only the case because she did not look as well in her twenties as she could have.

    I don’t think all women with feminine faces necessarily age badly. Marilyn Monroe for instance still had a very pretty face in her 30s. Christina Hendricks would be another example.

    Everyone blames sunbathing for Bardot’s decline, but in actual fact she had quite a long shelf-life as a film star (I do realise she started young). The big disimprovement in her looks in my opinion came in the late 60s early 70s when she completely plucked her eyebrows in line with the fashion of the time. No one ever compares Bardot with Audrey Hepburn, but for both women, their eyebrows were a key component of their beauty.

    PS: I think a smile is a much better help than fillers or botox in looking younger. The nearly 40 year old musician, whose picture was posted by pupu, looks young for her age because she has a lovely smile & seems to have a sweet nature too. Interestingly, she is an example of a feminine looking woman who has aged well.

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  210. on July 25, 2010 at 8:31 pm roundrectangles are for squares

    I agree there are some hyper femme pretty women who age ok – but most dont. PS – you clearly havent seen christina hendricks without a stitch of makeup and airbrushing. She looks great WITH makeup. While traditional sexual attractiveness peaks early for women, I still believe older masculine attractive women are able to hold onto their hotness longer into older age than hyper femme women. A lot of this though is a result of the fact that masculine attractive women may be considered hot because of sexual chemistry and not because they are at their most attractive when they are older. It seems they are able to hold on to their attractiveness for a lot longer because their appeal was never in the freshness or dewy prettiness, which they never really had. I believe these women are able to benefit from the idea that men become more sexually attractive and handsome as they get older. These women because of higher testorone have more masculine features that age better than small thin delicate features. These women may not be the first choice for starting a family or marrying young (actually I think they rarely are), but I do believe these are the women who get married later on in life or become the lovers of more sophisticated older rich men who want companions and not necessarily wives (for those who have already been married and divorced).

    Of course, if you are constantly swapping out women for a younger version then the masculine attractive woman will never be needed. However, at a certain point even older attractive men will not be able to pull hyper femme young women and will have to settle for an older womann. In this case, masculine looking but attractive and high-sexed women have the advantage.

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  211. I think you’re probably right about Christina without makeup, though what is often forgotten is that a lot of younger women don’t look great without makeup either because of spots & so forth. I guess the advantage is that if a girl gets spots usually her skin stays younger looking for longer than would otherwise be the case.

    I agree with you that often (maybe even more often) stronger features tend to age better. But this is not a universal rule. Strong features on a gaunt face can look very haggard no matter how beautiful the bone structure. Also, a nutcracker nose & chin can really come out with age.

    If you want a contrast on ageing & female beauty Vivien Leigh & Olivia de Havilland would be very good comparators.

    Olivia had very feminine but stronger features than Vivien (she actually has a very similar bone structure to Christina Hendricks in many ways) & more subutaneous fat on the face and consequently kept her looks longer. Of course, the fact that Viv had TB, was a heavy smoker and suffered (apparently) from bipolar disorder probavbly didn’t help.

    I actually think the key thing is the elasticity of the skin & the fat on the face more than anything else. Also, staying out of the sun and off the booze and the cigarettes doesn’t hurt. Debbie Reynolds had very small petite features but still looked very attractive into her late 30s and is still pretty even today. But she looked after herself very well.

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  212. Rereading your comment, I think the reason why more masculine older women are more highly rated as spouses is possibly because their appeal is based on sophistication rather than girlishness and that tends to age better.

    If you are good looking in a masculine way the ingenue thing is just going to look ridiculous even at an early age. Whereas pretty feminine looking girls often tend to get put into the girly mode and that does not work as well after 30 (maybe not even after 25)

    So I think you have to consider not only looks but also how well the personality developed and influenced by those looks fits as the woman grows older. Also, they probably have had to develop qualities other than looks (humility?) to substitute for the fact that they would not initially be first choice.

    I still can’t understand why, if these men would actually prefer the more feminine type, they don’t just go for a younger woman though?

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  213. Sorry, I see you have already answered the query in the last sentence of my comment.

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  214. “I actually think the key thing is the elasticity of the skin & the fat on the face more than anything else. Also, staying out of the sun and off the booze and the cigarettes doesn’t hurt.”

    Very good advice. I’m also very fair-skinned (I’ve read where you’ve described yourself the same) and have worked since my early 20’s at staying out of the sun and wearing sunscreen. I enjoy the outdoors and love the water, but try to remember to take precautions.

    Ditto on the smoking and drinking — both are really bad for the skin.

    As far as fat in the face, I guess a woman could avoid this by maintaining a healthy weight and not becoming underweight? And the elasticity issue, staying away from aforementioned booze and cigs, along with feeding the body healthy foods should help with this, I suppose. I keep reading that cantaloupe is really good for the skin.

    Very interesting on the comparison between Olivia and Viv — I would’ve answered that Viv had the stronger features, but actually thinking about it, Olivia does have larger features. Maybe it’s her bone structure and/or the shape of Olivia’s face that makes her appear softer.

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  215. Kate

    I think if you are prone to lose weight in the face then it would be better not to try for a very low bmi after a certain age (by very low I mean 17-19/20 which is very slim anyway). Although not that many women in their 30s are thin, a portion of those who are thin (usually fitness fanatics) are actually too thin & stringy, there is such a thing as being too thin, particularly in one’s 30s, a lot of men are afraid to say this because they are afraid women will use it as an excuse to get fat, but it is actually true. I think 21 bmi is probably a good thing to aim for after a certain age rather than the very lowest end of the scale.

    I’m trying to think of a Hollywood example – Meg Ryan could have held onto her looks for a few years longer if she had avoided getting so thin and had kept away from the botox and fillers. There are other Hollywood examples but I can’t think of them immediately. I genuinely think that botox & fillers are often very identifiable because of the puffy look they create, they scream ageing, possibly botox in moderation for one or two wrinkles might be okay but I don’t think that cosmetic science has really mastered the art of fillers yet.

    I’ve no idea why someone as beautiful as Viv aged so badly. Liz Taylor, for instance, who was often compared to viv in her youth, aged much better, even with the weight gain. Viv’s beautiful features just seem to have got very puffy after the age of 30 or so, even though she maintained a very low eight through her life. I think the key point was Anna Karenina in 1949 – she started to show her age at that point. It may be that her features were just too delicate to last, or maybe it was that she was so strikingly beautiful at first glance that any change was very obvious.

    Olivia on the other hand had the kind of face that grows on one rather than dazzling at first sight, she had a different kind of beauty. I do know that at the 25th anniversary premiere of GWTW people were shocked how badly Scarlett had aged in comparison to Melanie.

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  216. Kate

    Re staying out of the sun, we don’t get much sun here so it’s not hard to avoid it, in the past Irish women were supposed to have quite good skin for this reason (it used to be said that the rain kept Irish women looking young but of course it was the absence of sun), of course now with holidays abroad & sunbeds there is probably not much of a difference.

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  217. on July 26, 2010 at 5:41 am msexceptiontotherule

    I knew there was a reason for sunscreen and staying indoors to avoid getting a tan even after the end of my goth days.

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  218. SD,Kate & others,
    Good comments about women and aging. I agree that after a certain age it does not look great when a woman is too thin. I’ve noticed this with some women around my own age. There is a saying about how after a certain age a woman has a tough decision to make between her face or her body. Because you can cover up your body I would say go for the face. English and Irish woman do have beautiful skin, probably due to the lack of sunshine. The rain may also keep your skin hydrated.

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  219. Laura, in my observation, older men tend to care more about the face than the body. If you go to venues where older people party and such, it’s rare to see a butterface among the much younger women many older men bring.

    I believe tastes become more refined with age, and a guy needs what he needs and doesn’t function with what he personally doesn’t like no matter how popular it is.

    Since older men are what a woman who is into long term relationships, and respectable hoes should be pursuing, I think it’s best for a woman to think long term about her looks. Screw what men in the 20’s to early 30’s want. They’re irrelevant to wife or good hoe type who isn’t a teenager, and teenagers don’t have an aging problem unless they’re on hard drugs or something.

    Eat well, exercise, moisturize, limit your sun exposure, and don’t drink or smoke to excess. If you’re going to smoke at all, roll your own, and get a good cigarette holder. Guys who don’t mind or like a smoker find rolling sexier than packing, and you’ll smoke a lot less.

    …and for God’s sake, don’t cut your hair off. Women in their late 20’s and early 30’s often make the mistake of cutting their hair short. Don’t do it unless at some point your sex drive goes or you stop liking men. Men like long hair. If one guy in particular doesn’t, he’ll tell you to cut it, but this is a rare guy, and even he is probably into it because it can be a sign of submission.

    Even with dreadlocks, I attract more dominant men than I did with the short pixie cut that I had when I was in my early 20’s.

    …and one thing I’ve notice lately, please please please avoid misandrist and overly negative conversations with bitter friends in public. It scares older, dominant men away, and if it attracts anyone, it’s just self hating manginas. If you have a friend who talks too much about how there are no good men around and blah blah blah, tell her to cut that out.

    Before a few days ago, I used to let that go a little too much. I’d meekly reply that there are some, but good men are rare and special everywhere, and whatnot. Now I just say, “You’re being too negative, and this is not going to attract the few decent men there may be. How can you expect to get a positive response when you’re putting out so much negativity?”

    Between the tone and my “cobra” look, visualizing all the great guys in my life standing behind me, they shut up.

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  220. SD,

    Oh my goodness yes, the way Meg Ryan looks now is so sad. Agree with you on the overuse of fillers, and have often thought both facelifts and fillers can actually make a person look older than natural aging. However, I’m not above getting a little injection in a fews years! I’ve heard if you do just a little bit as you go along, in addition to being healthy, it’s not as dramatic-looking.

    Liz Taylor is a mystery — she certainly was not the epitome of health, and yet, you’re right, she did age very well.

    Laura and SD,

    I agree that it’s probably better not to be too thin, especially as a woman gets older. Being fat can make one look old, too; no one should use this as an excuse to remain overweight.

    I’ve never quite understood the idea that a woman must choose between her body and her face, though. I think the body is easier to keep youthful by staying at good weight, staying toned (yoga, weights, or whatever works for you), and paying attention to skin. I think exfoliating and moisturizing properly helps keep skin in good condition. And sunscreen! I put it on my neck, arms, and hands, too. A softer, toned body that yields and fuller face doesn’t seem like sacrificing to me.

    I wonder if the air is less dry in Ireland, too? I grew up in the US South, and the women joked that they stayed so young because of all the humidity/moisture in the air. Not sure if that’s how it works, though!

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  221. I hate the word “moist” for some reason, but it is probably the best way to describe the air in Ireland, in summer it is humid, in winter damp. It is good there are some benefits to this (the dim light helps us ageing crones as well).

    I think it’s possible to maintain a reasonable BMI without too much damage to the face. 17-18 BMI is too low, 18-21 depends on how naturally haggard one is, but 21-23 is fine for most women no matter what their age & is still within even the very conservative BMI recommendations on this site. I think 23 or 25 with toning is probably better than 19 without as well.

    The thing is, women tend to go to extremes, the women who bother about their appearance can’t just stop with a little bit of botox, they go over the top, the same with weight loss & toning, when visible muscles & veins start to develop (hi, Angelina!) this defeats the purpose imo. I am a big fan of moderation in terms of improving oneself (helpfully, this coincides with my natural inclination to be lazy).

    I agree about the moisturiser, but it is very expensive over here. To expose a leg in summer quite literally costs me about 2 Euros per leg per day of exposure when you add in fake tan, moisturiser, razors, shaving foam, concealer to cover up bruises (I bruise very easily). I know all this stuff is much cheaper in the States, including manicures and pedicures (see below).

    That’s before we even get on to the hooves which are a story in themselves, I also blister very easily, and accumulate more dead skin on my heels in a month than the average graveyard. Most people get cremated here now and a good pedicure costs about 50 dollars. I do my own manicures but my gnarly feet require specialist care.

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  222. SD, I got two words for you: shea butter. The stuff is a dream all on its own.

    Most west African descended women have super dry, very sensitive skin. Whatever gene causes that, I got it. What keeps my skin supple and thusfar wrinkle free, aside of the natural diet, is unrefined shea butter.

    You can get it on eBay for cheap, and you will never need another special moisturizer again.

    Even better, when you buy a 1 pound tub of it, get some oblipicha (sea buckthorn) oil, and smear about half a teaspoon over each half inch layer as you use more of the shea butter.

    Good stuff, and at the moment, fairly cheap. The expensive moisturizers almost all have a bit of those in it, but you do better just buying the real thing and mixing various recipes yourself.

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  223. @SD
    You can get shea butter in L’Occitane in diluted doses which are easier to rub in. I’m rather lazy with the body moisturising myself. I find a Japanese wash cloth combined with a good shower gel keeps my skin smooth enough without faffing about spending hours moisturising. I’m quite lucky though, I like and have pedicures but I don’t really have any dry skin on my feet.

    Don’t use shea butter on your face or you may break out.

    I also bruise easily (which is another reason to stay away from the BDSM malarkey). I think waxing is a lot easier on your skin than razors and after a while you don’t need to do it very often.

    I agree with you on BMI. Just stay away from the tatties! I do love mashed buttery ones though, sigh.

    *ooh we’ve gone all girly*

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  224. Thanks girls for the tips.

    Nicole, I will let you know how I get on with the shea butter. I will not be putting it on my face, don’t worry. If it works on my feet, I’ll be delighted. Any heel higher than 2 inches is a killer from point of view of foot condition.

    Strangely enough, I’m not actually a fan of potatoes at all. Or the edible sort of butter. How unpatriotic of me, I know.

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  225. Ah, it’s a days old thread the guys have probably forgotten about anyway. Besides, it’s not like some of them couldn’t use this info too. Age may look better on a man, but busted doesn’t look good on anybody.

    You can use shea butter on your face, but carefully. Remember it has to be the unrefined sort, as refined shea butter is just grease. I don’t use L’Occitaine’s for this reason. It doesn’t look, smell, or feel raw enough. I think they heat it too much.

    Just rub a bit about the side of an airsoft ball between your fingers until it melts, and mix with whatever regular lotion you use or some aloe vera gel. That’s the best face cream you can buy. If you want it to be anti aging, add a drop or two of lemon juice.

    You can pay more for something fancy in a jar, but none of it is going to really do better than that.

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  226. Nicole – you actually have really beautiful skin – I noticed it in the picture of you on your blog.

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  227. Nicole,
    Thanks for the advice. Men do almost universally seem to prefer longer hair even if I don’t think it always looks better.

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  228. @sd
    I was going to proclaim my love for vitamin c serum (I really can’t be bothered with faffing about too much and always on the look out for shortcuts and I love this this stuff as you can also put it under your eyes which means you don’t need to faff about with eye cream) but looks like Nicole beat me to it with her lemons (though maybe not put that under your eyes just in case).

    Re long hair, forget the men, it just looks better anyway.

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  229. SD,

    Thanks for that lovely description of your hooves. 🙂 Truly, I understand where you’re coming from, as it seems summer is the worst for this — something about wearing sandals and not wearing socks and hosiery as often might have something do with it.

    Regarding pedicures, I’m extremely ticklish and prefer to maintain my feet myself. I’ve found that if you apply a little bit of acne treatment that has salicylic acid (I think?) to your heels, followed by a good moisturizing cream, and tuck your tootsies in a pair of socks overnight, it eats up all the gross skin. Then, if you scrub with a good body brush and salt scrub the next morning, they’ll be really soft and smooth. It really works and only takes once a week to maintain.

    Nicole,

    ”Ah, it’s a days old thread the guys have probably forgotten about anyway.”

    Exactly why I felt comfortable creeping back over here. I’m really learning some great beauty tips — thanks for that info on the shea butter. I’ve started mixing olive oil into my lotions, attempting to moisturize with healthy, natural product, but the shea butter might work even better.

    I keeping reading vitamin c is great for skin, and have started squeezing fresh lemon juice in the water I drink throughout the day, but never thought of adding it to lotions topically.

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