Boyfriend Destroyer?

What do you do if you’re being used… and you know it?

An awkward scenario in which to find yourself embroiled is to be dating a girl you like, who also likes you and has made that known, but who is deep into a multi-year relationship with another guy that she has told you about, and which is currently on shaky ground for reasons she’s given that you’re not sure you believe entirely except for the hard evidence of her sleeping with you.

As guys, we should always strive for two in the kitty. It’s best to keep the embers burning with at least two women so you can swing straight into new pussy when one goes stale. A grinding dry spell will put you in a horrible state of mind for meeting women. Girls can sniff a lonely, unattended penis from 12 parsecs, and it’s not attractive to them. Where men get turned off by another man’s seed contaminating the vagina he would like to fuck, women get turned ON when another woman’s pussy juice, especially a hotter woman, is greasing the pole of the man she likes.

(Of course, women will say otherwise. Don’t bother paying attention. They are kidding themselves.)

The reverse scenario, the one I mentioned above, doesn’t happen for the same reason. Women aren’t afraid of a lengthy bout of celibacy like men are if their relationship should end. They don’t swing from dick branch to dick branch because they can’t go two days without sex. When women allow a second man into their lives for longer than a one-off fuck it’s usually for one of two reasons:

  1. To test the mettle of their primary relationship.
  2. To seek an excuse to leave their primary relationship.

If you are the “other guy” banging a girl who already has a serious boyfriend, it’s important that you try to determine as best you can which reason applies to her. Knowing where you stand won’t make much difference in how you should act, but it will help you decide whether to exit or dig in your heels. As VK said, the dick sandwich is no fun place to be, but at least knowing about it frees you to remove all investment and relentlessly hit on new girls.

If it’s reason #1, then you are dealing with a girl who still loves her boyfriend, but has doubts. She has either been hurt by him or he spends a lot of time away from her on travel. Her faith in a future with him is not as certain as it once was. She sees you as a litmus test — “Can I survive this charming new guy’s interest in me and still feel love for my fading boyfriend?”

Unless you don’t care about the girl as anything more than a short fling, you don’t want to be put in the position of a litmus test. She is using you. You are a tool. If you know this, then you won’t be surprised when she suddenly stops speaking to you. And you won’t feel guilty about not spending one red cent on her for any dates. Prepare to walk away from her at a moment’s notice.

If it’s reason #2, then she sees you as a real alternative to her main boyfriend whom she no longer loves. If you like her and want more than a sexual tryst, then you have a shot to usurp the boyfriend. Run your game like you would if she were completely single. The worst thing you could do is try to push a conclusion; that will send her flying back into the boyfriend’s arms. Play it cool. If she likes you more than him, she’ll eventually dump him and find her way to you.

There is no guaranteed way to determine which reason is valid. It’s an inexact science of subtle body language and subcommunication. Girls lie as a matter of habit. You could take a high risk gamble and ask her point blank if she loves her boyfriend. If she hesitates or answers “That’s a weird question” then she doesn’t love him. Proceed apace. If she says yes and looks wistfully into the distance, then she probably still loves him. Get your dick wet a couple times with her and take pics for future masturbatory delight.

The big downside to dating a taken girl is the threat of an irate boyfriend coming after you. A girl who wants to push her boyfriend to the edge in order to gauge his commitment to her, or wants to rub salt in his wounds before leaving him, will — *oops!* — casually mention your existence to him. You’d be amazed how many smart, supposedly normal girls, are prone to this sort of “let’s you and him fight” primitive mentality.





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  1. Can you think of a better indication of your value as a woman than having men fight over you? It’s very caveman-y.

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  2. Good timing on the article. I am about to start preying on a bitch who has a man. This should be fun…

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  3. If you like her and want more than a sexual tryst, then you have a shot to usurp the boyfriend.

    Why would you want a girl who cheats on her boyfriend for anything more than a sexual tryst?

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  4. on July 1, 2008 at 12:42 pm Former Alpha

    2.Ryan- Remind me sometime to tell you the story of when I did that and her “man” came home with a pistol. He was not nearly as out of town as she thought. Good luck with that….

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  5. I always found it funny that a woman’s ruthless, hard-coded natural drive to putting men to compete with one another can be passed off as her “testing the waters” or “searching for REAL love..” but a man that seeks variety during a current relationship might as well be a monster

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  6. I am with PA here. Not only do you know the girl is a cheater (she WILL cheat on you) but the woman will be fucked in the head. Everyone needs some time between partners or they will inflict serious emotional damage or the next poor sap.

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  7. “Girls can sniff a lonely, unattended penis from 12 parsecs”

    Not if you spray some Axe on it…. wait what?

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  8. VK — don’t you mean Drakkar Noir? Seems to be the rage these days among true players.

    Roissy’s advice is spot on, but he left something out. Relationship-oriented women (who see marriage as the endgame) do swing from branch to branch because their egos can’t handle being alone. If she’s flirting with you, despite having a long-term boyfriend, she’s probably looking to replace him and you’re being interviewed.

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  9. pussy juice

    Today, tragically, it’s more accurate to say Bald Eagle juice :((

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  10. > Today, tragically, it’s more accurate to say Bald Eagle juice :((

    Thank $deity for that.

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  11. Oh my! Run, do not walk, to the nearest exit!

    1. To test the mettle of their primary relationship.
    2. To seek an excuse to leave their primary relationship.

    Assuming you are dating clinically sane women, Reason 1 is non-existent. A clinically sane woman doesn’t do that. Which means she is a cheater, which means no loyalty, which means not girlfriend material.

    Reason 2 does happen but bespeaks weak character — a woman has trouble dumping a man? I don’t think so!

    Either case means no investment. If you must have sex, have sex, but then get out and don’t let yourself be sucked into the black hole of their drama.

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  12. All I’ve got to say is that there are far fewer women in the world that are really good girlfriend/wife material than people think. Its a grimey world folks.

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  13. good point Former Alpha, I shall be weary…

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  14. wait, wtf… why did i think weary meant watchful?

    whatever, kick a bitch

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  15. true, as in any relationship you should know where you stand in terms of power. do you have the upper hand? if so, there’s nothing that can ruin that except your own demise.

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  16. “Wary”, dude.

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  17. Whoa, it’s a jungle out there! Let me get my gun.

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  18. 6 Lemmonex

    “Everyone needs some time between partners or they will inflict serious emotional damage or the next poor sap.”

    Your observation makes perfect sense, and not only will the next poor sap suffer, but the inflictor as well. It’s just dumb, drama producing nonsense, which is exactly why so many of the guys here think it’s a great idea to involve themselves in this kind of bullshit. And they say men don’t like drama!!!!

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  19. All I’ve got to say is that there are far fewer women in the world that are really good girlfriend/wife material than people think. Its a grimey world folks.

    Women are not born and automatically become good girlfriends/wives; they have to be molded into such. Same goes for men. That’s why people complain “the good ones are taken.” They were taken and made into better people in relationships through trial and error, learned wisdom through experience and introspection, and did not give up on their long-term relationships as easily. I was a horrible girlfriend for many years, starting from 14 until 22. These days I try hard to be better, sometimes failing, but definitely better than when I wasn’t trying at all.

    Reason 2 does happen but bespeaks weak character — a woman has trouble dumping a man? I don’t think so!

    I had a lot of trouble dumping my long-term boyfriend (now husband) because I really loved him, and still do. I had no trouble dumping the previous ones, or dumping other guys for him, because there was no love. Love can be seen as a weakness; the ancient Greeks hated it. The trouble comes when two people love each other but know they are not good to each other, yet they still continue mutually self-destructive behavior. We were too weak to leave each other even though we were atrocious to each other. The relationship was pretty much dead when he started turning down sex and pretty much all intimacy like going to bed with me, which went on for several months.

    It was unhealthy, and I was miserable. I began a friendship with another man who also had a lot of problems in his relationship, and who wanted to leave the girl whom he didn’t really love. I told my boyfriend I was leaving before I got physically involved with the other guy. But I could not fully go through with my part of the leaving, because his suffering made me suffer. In the end I told the other guy it was not meant to be, so I effectively hurt everyone with my actions. My long-term man and I had to stop and do a lot of self-reflection, because the relationship couldn’t go on the way it was. I stopped being so melodramatic, bitchy, and stopped looking for any replacements (I didn’t realize that was what I had been doing for a long time). He stopped drinking (he didn’t realize that was what was causing a lot of our fights and his anger issues), spending money carelessly, and being a delinquent at work.

    There is no perfection in relationships. There is a lot of compromise, hard work, conscious effort, and if you’re lucky, a lot of love to carry you through the dark times to the light.

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  20. The Prime Directive of every female is the constant search for validation. Why do you think they all value getting married so much? It’s the ultimate validation.

    She is not being validated by her current dude, you’re just filling a need. As long as you look at that way all is well, but getting her to leave her guy? Why?

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  21. #3 PA

    Why would you want a girl who cheats on her boyfriend for anything more than a sexual tryst?

    My thoughts, verbatim. If she’s a cheater, she’ll cheat on you, too. You’re not special, and there’s always someone out there who’s better than you in whatever characteristic you care to name that might attract her interest.

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  22. Of course, this should never be confused with the proper game strategy of having hot women compete for you. Kitty Kats Kompete. As long as one is in full dating, non-committed mode, sleeping with multiple women and making sure the girls know they are in competition works only in your favor. The low interest ones bow out, the high interest ones come to fore, and 9/10th of the hard lifting is done by them.

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  23. on July 1, 2008 at 4:26 pm Usually Lurking

    …they have to be molded into such. Same goes for men.

    Damn Straight.

    They were taken and made into better people in relationships through trial and error, learned wisdom through experience and introspection, and did not give up on their long-term relationships as easily.

    I don’t know about this. Many people will get away with as much as possible. They are simply not deep enough or complex enough to be able to see these things in themselves (these things being: drama, pettiness, controlling behaviour, etc)). Mostly, because they don’t need to.

    Take Pam Anderson, as an extreme example. She could have done and acted anyway she wanted to (including being as promiscious as she wanted to) with almost no repurcusions. After the party was over, some guy was going to marry her.

    Back in the day, there were major societal pressures/boundaries. Not so much anymore.

    Also, I am not so sure I believe in the “…you need to work on a relationship for it to succeed…” argument. The people that I have known that got married and stayed married didn’t seem to do all that much “work”. They just “fit” very well together. And, neither one did anything to screw it up (in other words, they were not complete morons, nor dramatic).

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  24. on July 1, 2008 at 4:30 pm Usually Lurking

    The low interest ones bow out…

    I am curious, do you think that Ashley Judd or Charlize Theron would come to fore on your ass, or bow out.

    Girls like it when their man is in demand, but some actually have enough self-respect to demand that you be a one-woman man.

    You could always say “no”, of course, but I would not say no to Ashley Judd.

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  25. Take Pam Anderson, as an extreme example.

    Pamela Anderson would not be an example of a good girlfriend or wife.

    I am not so sure I believe in the “…you need to work on a relationship for it to succeed…” argument.

    When I say “work,” what I mean is the upkeep in terms of communication, giving affection and gestures, like the girl cooking a nice meal for the guy, or the guy hugging the girl. It’s not literally work of course, but they are actions that can be difficult to keep up daily, consistently. Think of the “work” people do in friendships, too.

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  26. on July 1, 2008 at 4:42 pm Usually Lurking

    Pamela Anderson would not be an example of a good girlfriend or wife.

    That’s my point. She could do whatever she felt like, like join an extremist group (i.e. PETA), hang out with junkies and dress her baby to be, in her words, “bad ass”.

    No amount of “work” was going to change her. She didn’t need to change. She could always get someone to marry her, and not just some loser, either.

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  27. on July 1, 2008 at 4:48 pm Usually Lurking

    When I say “work,” what I mean is the upkeep in terms of communication, giving affection and gestures, like the girl cooking a nice meal for the guy, or the guy hugging the girl. It’s not literally work of course, but they are actions that can be difficult to keep up daily, consistently.

    I don’t know> I think that I am just picking at semantics, but, I never thought of any of that crap as work.

    That is, doing the things that naturally made my girl happy was not work…it was simply a by-product of how I felt about her.

    Also, what about “roles” versus “work”? Like, some girl that always cooks for her man, because, that is her role. The man goes to work each day to provide for his wife and children, because, that is what he is supposed to do.

    They understand the role that they play in their relationship, hell, in society, and they do it.

    Like I said, I am prob. picking at semantics.

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  28. @24

    Look, set yourself up as a prize to be won or raise your alpha status high enough to have women compete for you. Give it a try. You might enjoy and discover a new pleasure at being a man.

    If [insert high status famous female name here] had an interest in me, I would at a minimum, hang back and make her work for it. Why? To be different. Don’t you think that the general man drools all over her? Don’t you think she needs, no wants a challenge? Of course, to play the KittyKatKompete game your status has to be high enough. I refer you to the Justin Timberlake experience as an example of this. So, when I crack decamillionaire status, I will let you know if I have status high enough to pit Judd v Theron — or if plan B is the rule of the day.

    However, I do speak from experience….

    I have pitted models against one another and in the melee walked away with the hottest of the hot. I have even dumped women back amongst their suitors, me feigning disinterest, and most times they come a-hunting for me later and grace my sheets.

    YMMV.

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  29. “I was a horrible girlfriend for many years, starting from 14 until 22.”

    This statement just sounds completely wrong to me.
    Women around that age (14-22) are giggly, lighthearted, fun to be around with and playful. Women around 30 are usually jaded, angry, moody and dsitrustful. Srangely however, all women around 30 say that they would be much better wifes than when they were twenty:
    Lesson:
    never believe what a woman says: in fact, usually the opposite is the truth.

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  30. 28 El Guapo

    “I have pitted models against one another and in the melee walked away with the hottest of the hot. I have even dumped women back amongst their suitors, me feigning disinterest, and most times they come a-hunting for me later and grace my sheets.”

    What a man you are. I can hardly believe it.

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  31. I think you have it down pretty well. The question is really, why do YOU want to do this. I know I love getting in between a woman and her man. However, I like the married ones. The b/f thing is just too easy.

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  32. Sara — El Guapo sounds like “the man” not just a man. You’re just annoyed that some women can be manipulated so easily.

    Dr. Feelgood — If I were single, I’d never date a married chick. That simply smacks of believing the cuckolded husband somehow deserves to be cheated on by his wife. Put yourself in his shoes. Likewise, by indulging the cheating wife, you’re letting her have her cake and eat it too. Why reward betrayal?

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  33. El Guapo – “and most times they come a-hunting for me later and grace my sheets”

    your sheets – FOR ME TO POOP ON!

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  34. on July 1, 2008 at 6:20 pm Usually Lurking

    If [insert high status famous female name here] had an interest in me, I would at a minimum, hang back and make her work for it.

    If it worked like that, you would see many of the most desirable women going out with PUAs. But, if you check the Maxim Hot 100, none of them, AFAIK, are going with PUAs. And, a ton of those girls live in LA and so do a lot of PUAs.

    Game is great, and can get you real far, but it won’t get you to that end.

    Granted, Brittany Spears hooking up with Federline may or may not invalidate what I just said.

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  35. Jay Gatsby: There is something totally rewarding about it. If the husband has a cheating wife, then thats his problem. You have gotta love a totally appreciative orgasmic married woman who has been deprived….I am a man whore with a destructive streak….I cant help it.

    http://mdma-man-whore.blogspot.com

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  36. Sara — I’m good. Nothing more. It’s not even a question of being the man as one poster wrote. I’m just a man, but damn experienced.

    When female interest level is high to stratospheric, they act differently. For once they are unsure of their ground. Their high-n-mighty attitudes vanish, their controlling ways go by the wayside, they compliment and soothe and ingratiate. Get two in such a state and the rest is the execution of a mathematical theorem in reality as they outcompete each other for attention.

    What kills them in this game is the fact that the man, for once, has options. Women go into dating knowing that they have the sex choice and options. Typically they hold a big chunk of the power. When they don’t — watch out!

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  37. @34

    But THAT IS HOW IT WORKS. Do you really think the men these high status women are dating are pushovers? Do you think they are snivelling beta’s hanging on their every word?

    No, these are men who had some degree of self-control around them when super-chick showed up in their lives.

    Anne Hathaway just broke up with her high-powered beau because he was a criminal but do you think when they met he was in awe of her — him with his millions and frauds?

    Look at how Jessica Alba looks at her husband here. Do you think that when they met he just went deaf and dumb in front of her? Or did he hang back, as her for coffee, tease her and playfully remind her, at the end of the day, for all the fame and money, she was just a girl? In OBJECTIVE terms his status can’t be higher than hers. Yet that look says it all.

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  38. I can see Dr. Feelgood’s point about no-good cheating wives. However, I’m sure he knows that if caught in the act by the husband he has morally surrendered his right to live. And if caught hitting on a married woman, he should expect a fist through his mouth.

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  39. Women around that age (14-22) are giggly, lighthearted, fun to be around with and playful. Women around 30 are usually jaded, angry, moody and dsitrustful. Srangely however, all women around 30 say that they would be much better wifes than when they were twenty

    Heh. I clearly remember the way I was “bitchy, angry, moody and distrustful” toward guys when I was a teenager. I would ruthlessly say things like “I hate you” to guys’ weeping faces. You call into question my womanly memory and womanly words, but it smells like lots of straw manning rather than facts.

    You can generalize and say I was an exception, but I was there with many other teenage girls, who were often just as horrible and abusive to me as to their boyfriends. Not all the time, but often enough to have stung. Maybe being mean, crude, crass and self-entitled can be more charming on a teenager than on a 30 year old, and more forgivable for a man, but these traits still do not lend themselves to harmonious relationships.

    My husband says I am much sweeter now than before. You and others can wax poetic about the virtues of the young giggly girls, but only my husband, who actually lived with me for 5 years during which we were not apart for more than a week, can know the reality. I was a yelling, screeching little hellcat clawing to get her way all the time, all the while holding up a pretense of maturity.

    Young adulthood is just that, a phase, with its own ups and downs. It’s not an exclusively rosy time of girlish fun, innocence and playfulness that you so picturesquely paint for everyone. I passed that phase with someone who witnessed all the good along with the bad. I doubt either of us would have put up with all the shit we went through were it not for love.

    Also, what about “roles” versus “work”? Like, some girl that always cooks for her man, because, that is her role. The man goes to work each day to provide for his wife and children, because, that is what he is supposed to do.

    The truth of the matter is that people get lazy. They don’t feel like cooking, or they don’t feel like going to work, or they don’t feel like being a good husband / wife / provider / nurturer. Just the other day I had to force myself to cook, but afterwards we enjoyed the nice meal, and I was glad to have done so.

    Reality is different from philosophy, and actions different from ideals. Virtue, integrity, empathy and happiness only stand in stark contrast with deceit, treachery, malice and bleakness. Much of life do not involve these extremes, but rather shades of gray, a mishmash of mediocrity and routine.

    The daily humdrum of habits, stability and being the role of a “good” spouse cannot be more exciting than the high life of the chase. That is why more people do not do what they are “supposed to do.” It takes a lot more willpower, every day, than the world demands of us. We can only demand it of ourselves.

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  40. 36 El Guapo

    “What kills them in this game is the fact that the man, for once, has options”

    What you’re describing is every woman’s worst nightmare and in the end; yours too. Someday you may become a real man and not just a parasite. I admit, the women are asking for it though not consciously. They are at the mercy of their hormones until they get “in touch” (I hate that phrase) with their true worth and higher intentions.

    In the meantime you are describing “human animal”, nothing more and the drive to reproduce. It bloats your ego to play on women’s hormone addictions and they are addicted to their own hormones and you are nothing but a pusher. So what? You’re proud of that like a big peacock!

    You’re an idiot and they are stupid pawns until you both have the intelligence to stop and take stock of your life, your sexual energy, and how you are wasting it and abusing something intended to be beautiful to create more hell on earth for yourselves and others.

    In the meantime, keep being impressed with yourself. Thankfully I am no longer vulnerable to “game” and see it for the self destructive hormonal chemical addiction it is.

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  41. ^ My deepest apologies to all of you kinder, gentler gamers out there. I mean OF COURSE the way El Guapo is describing it. LOL

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  42. on July 1, 2008 at 7:24 pm Usually Lurking

    They don’t feel like cooking…
    They don’t feel like cooking because they never had to, so, why should they start.

    I mean, if Pamela promised some guy that she would never cook, do you think that would hurt her chances?

    I am just using her as an extreme to make a point. She was well aware of the role that she wanted to play: look hot.

    I really doubt that she was choosing, or realizing, “…deceit, treachery, malice and bleakness”. She was just “being herself”.

    And that is what most people want to do. And that is what most people will default to, after the inital lust has worn off.

    That is why you should choose people with “good defaults”. It is the same reason why so many people can not get away from Pizza and French Fries. It is what they grew up with; it was their “baseline” diet. And, without some type of major life-change, it will always be their “default” diet. Anything that deviates from it will seem like “a diet”.

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  43. Funny how certain feminine posters use these (insightful and interesting) topics by our gracious host anly as a launching pad to essentially ramble on about themselves (uninsightful and uninteresting).
    Chalk it up to gender differences I guess.
    Plus I imagine women must have a different “purpose” for reading and posting at this site.

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  44. “It bloats your ego to play on women’s hormone addictions and they are addicted to their own hormones and you are nothing but a pusher. So what? You’re proud of that like a big peacock!” — Sara

    Pot, I’d like you to meet Kettle. Women have and always will play on men’s hormones. This is the nature of the game. Yet El Guapo isn’t talking about playing on a woman’s hormones. Rather, he is referring to his manipulation of women’s egos. Ironically enough, this is also something women have and always will do to men.

    Just because you’re married doesn’t mean you’re immune to the game. In fact, the playing board and number of pieces simply shrinks. Husbands still like to get laid, and wives still need shiny things….

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  45. Sara — The title of the blog is “Where pretty lies perish.”

    The raw truth is top 10% of men co-opt 50% of the available female pool. Period. The same goes for women — the top 10% of women co-opt 50% of the men. The rest have to settle for what’s available at any moment. Most men command 8-15 partners over their lives. I used to do that across a summer vacation in my prime.

    What I think you object to is men being able to defend themselves in the mating battle. It is not my worst nightmare to have a woman be all sweet and nice, because she knows, for once, she will be curbed unless she behaves.

    The deep fear you betray in these posts is not trusting men that have the power to replace you. It’s a power you’ve excersized over men all the time, and you’re just upset that the shoe is on the other foot.

    Also, remember that I’m not part of the love;em/leave;em crowd. I’ve spent most of my life with a handful of women in rather intense passionate and romantic ways. If I wasn’t looking for a young woman ready to breed, I wouldn’t even be polishing my game — but for the fact that I have to compete in a rather aggressive pool for the slender fertile smart beauty I am seeking.

    But I don’t apologize for being able to read women and mate-dance better than most men. And in this matter in particular, you’ll forgive me if I really lose no sleep over it whatsoever.

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  46. on July 1, 2008 at 8:13 pm mr. pilkington

    Hope, it sounds like your husband has some serious low self esteem to put up with your petulant behavior for five years. Either that or sex game was off the chain…
    your friend in christ,

    mr. pilkington

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  47. I don’t get the point of this posting, Roissy. You say: “knowing about it frees you to remove all investment and relentlessly hit on new girls”. Um, isn’t that a given for you — that you always need new pussy?

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  48. on July 1, 2008 at 8:30 pm Usually Lurking

    Hope, why were the guys crying? I mean, did your yelling make them cry or were they crying, and then you yelled at them?

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  49. on July 1, 2008 at 8:32 pm SeaFighter HSV

    A glorified yacht, am I? Well you’re a LCS.

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  50. Hope, why were the guys crying? I mean, did your yelling make them cry or were they crying, and then you yelled at them?

    Usually it was because I was deliberately trying to inflict psychological pain on them. I have a kind of sadomasochistic streak. Because I have so much empathy, I feel others’ pain clearly, especially those I care about. But I like to hurt people closest to me, so that I would also feel their pain. Then I try to make it better. That’s pretty much my 14-22 girlish behavior.

    Understanding this aspect of myself allows me to keep it more in check. I try to minimize melodrama like that nowadays, or keep it to myself (cry in private).

    Hope, it sounds like your husband has some serious low self esteem to put up with your petulant behavior for five years. Either that or sex game was off the chain…

    I was the one with the much lower self-esteem. Looking back now I can see that I was deliberately trying to push men away with hurtful behavior (see above). Also, I wanted to be the one to leave them rather than be the one left by them (daddy issues). A lot of the lashing out also involved hurting myself, often physically.

    There was a lot of trial and error, fumbling in the dark, and intentional cruelty along with unintentional blunders. We were two people from two broken homes trying to make it together, and no good role models were to be found. We had love though, and so while we both were hurtful to each other, we also nursed each other back up every time.

    Love makes everyone its little bitch. So though I treated him like shit, the favor was returned every time. Every pain I inflicted on him, I felt its intensity in equal measure. I hated myself for it, and I think he hated himself, too, for all the lies he had told me. Only when we both stopped the cycle of pain did we finally build each other up instead of tearing each other down.

    There was no game between us, as nothing was calculated, just actions and reactions. Accidental game, maybe?

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  51. women get turned ON when another woman’s pussy juice, especially a hotter woman, is greasing the pole of the man she likes.

    I’d recommend not washing your jeans after you go to a dance club for that reason — the combination of your sweat plus the pussy juice of the girls who’ve straddled and ridden your thigh acts as a potent chemical signal the next night you go out.

    Females have a better sense of smell than males, so you may not notice it, but the next girl probably will.

    To amplify this signal, it’s best to work a girl who is wearing shorts or a skirt / short dress, who is ovulating (you can tell because they’re acting the wildest), and who is young or otherwise unsophisticated enough to not blast her gine with douches, perfumes, and other assorted destroyers of her natural, heady aroma.

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  52. very little virtue expressed on here. virtue may not be everything, but for the average man, which you all undoubtedly are, some is needed. From sleeping with women with boyfriends (the girls mindset is irrelevant if the boyfriend knows nothing about this), the next step as shown by dr. feelgood is married women w or wout kids.

    not an unlikely step, since for sex addicts like those on here, more and more excitement out of sex will be needed. nothing more exciting or dangerous then sleeping with a married woman, i would figure. must be the equivalent of the women who likes to be choked while sexing.

    all for an ejaculate….the gods are laughing at you, or maybe the gods are sadly shaking their heads while the demons laugh hysterically

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  53. on July 1, 2008 at 8:49 pm SeaFighter HSV

    Can we change this blog to be about Naval procurement? I say nix the DDG-100 and LCS, build more San Antonio and Virginia class.

    And build more of me too.

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  54. on July 1, 2008 at 8:59 pm Old Ben Kenobi

    Am I the only one here that would feel guilty breaking up a relationship or worse yet, a marriage? Most guys on here will probably be married one day and there will always be guys out there with better game than yours. The tables could be turned one day.

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  55. From one old guy to another — yes — don’t get involved in terminal phases of other relationships. Run, do not walk, to nearest exit.

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  56. on July 1, 2008 at 9:08 pm SeaFighter HSV

    EDIT: I meant DDG-1000.

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  57. I would seriously suggest you leave the married women and girls with boyfriends alone. STDs are no joke. Also, the rewards are not worth the risks.

    Sometimes it’s wisest to say no. All a man has in the end, is his own honor. It would be a shame to throw that away.

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  58. on July 1, 2008 at 9:38 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    @11 El Guapo

    “1. To test the mettle of their primary relationship.
    Assuming you are dating clinically sane women, Reason 1 is non-existent. A clinically sane woman doesn’t do that. Which means she is a cheater, which means no loyalty, which means not girlfriend material.”

    I think you have forgotten what open relationships are. If she already has permission, then by definition she is NOT cheating. There are a large number of sane girls in open relationships, due to Players who demand liberty in the relationship.

    Second point, she may have withheld her loyalty from the beginning of the relationship. Her boyfriend may have assumed she was faithful, but never set a compact with her.
    Get it in writing, or it didn’t happen. She may have the capacity to be completely loyal, but hasn’t been locked in yet, more so she won’t be until she agrees to boundaries.

    Third Point, I have been in the situation of walking a few girl back from lesbianism/bi-sexuality into heterosexuality. I have first hand understanding that Bi-girls see loyalty to a gender as a separate loyalty then traditional hetro-partnerting. A challenging distinction.

    Of eighteen girls, fifteen had no qualms sleeping with a man, while in a relationship with a lesbian. Four of which told me, in their own words: “I can’t sleep with another woman, I would be unfaithful to my GF”

    But these bi-girls were testing the mettle of their primary relationships. Some were wanting a fight with me and the lesbian to develop (nine of them) two of these became permanently lesbian.
    {granted my multi-site sample is from L.A., Manhattan, Dallas, and Houston, each locale has differing trends and group dynamics, I didn’t include data from Las Vegas as special rules apply there. eg You can pull 10s with the effort of pulling 7s}

    @28 El Guapo

    “However, I do speak from experience….”

    “I have pitted models against one another and in the melee walked away with the hottest of the hot. I have even dumped women back amongst their suitors, me feigning disinterest, and most times they come a-hunting for me later and grace my sheets.”

    What he isn’t saying is that some models, are totally psycho and come a hunting later for you (personal experience now talking) and will slash the tires of both you and the winning girls, or engage in other acts of violence. One even shattered my windshield with a red brick at the Hilton while I was watching her. (we grudge fucked the next day)

    Violence is all too common, and is totally intertwined in sexual group dynamics. And is not *NOT* not exclusively the Males domain, despite the Feminists speech-screech on this matter.

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  59. on July 1, 2008 at 9:47 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    53 Old Ben Kenobi

    “Am I the only one here that would feel guilty breaking up a relationship or worse yet, a marriage? Most guys on here will probably be married one day and there will always be guys out there with better game than yours. The tables could be turned one day.”

    A word to the wise: “Guilt” doesn’t get two of his friends and come try to pound you into the dirt for messing with his wife. “Guilt” doesn’t bring an crow bar, a baseball bat, or a gun. “Guilt” doesn’t get thrown in jail with you for assault charges.
    (funny thing about cops, they really don’t care who started it, and most are married. S.A.M.s rule on adultery no. 2: [DO NOT bang a Cops Wife, unless you are wanting to go to prison or die])

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  60. #44 El Guapo

    I think you may have managed to shut sara up. That’s almost more impressive than your putative notch count. Well done. You should consider starting your own blog.

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  61. “And build more of me too.”

    Yeah, more SeaFighter HSVs!

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  62. The thing to do that is full of integrity is when a woman is no longer in love, is to break clean from the man. But women are people and most people in this world are weak. So it’s just a simple fact of reality that any man that canvasses the field either in search of “The One” or “The One Night Stand” is going to run into this situation. I’ve seen it more times than I care to count. But before we get all damning on women, think of it this way: Why go for a period of time, sexless and without comfort when you don’t have to? Alot of male anger on this thing usually comes from jealousy. So the only thing to do is to be cold and logical; which is what Roissy seems to be advocating.

    That said, for a long time I felt alot of turmoil over dealing with women who were in relationships. You have to understand that truly desirable women always have options. They are always at least sorta with some guy. So unless you want to discount those women, you must accept that 98% of the time it’s a barrier you gotta deal with. I adopted a philosophy of probing where she’s at. Is she just in a moment of weakness and accepting what’s available to her (the other guy), or is she deeply emotionally involved? Married women are automatic out.

    And @SovereignAmericanMale: You are spot on about bi girls. But as for ‘open’ relationships, my experience is that poly people will let you know up front or very quickly. If a woman has consent from her partner, she’s not girlfriend material, but she can be fun. (Especially if you’re the type that assumes a woman is fucking someone else anyway). These women are also often bi and you can snag hottie ‘friends’ by hitting them from the girl-girl angle.

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  63. on July 1, 2008 at 11:49 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    @44 El Guapo

    “If I wasn’t looking for a young woman ready to breed”

    You strike fear into the hearts of a very large number of feminists everywhere with talk like that.

    They fear being barefoot (no money for shoes = no shopping therapy = no female companionship=total dependence financially and emotionally on her man)

    They fear the kitchen (Dependence on men buying meals at fine restaurants and salad lunches with female companions=diminished / lost skill or no skills in cooking= the kitchen is a mocking witness to their failure as a woman in the historical woman’s domain)

    They fear pregnancy (risk of death, fear of abandonment as a single mother, fear of miscarriage, fear of a sick or malformed child, fear of loss of personal autonomy and choices, fear of the mommytrack vs career)

    Hey El Guapo,
    I recommend you locking up / knocking up the “slender fertile smart beauty” who’s smarts allowed her to graduate Valedictorian of a prestigious ivy league law school (Yale Law). If she aborts, she is curbed.
    Find a winner on academic scholarship, she wont look down on you if your family is from more humble means then the Old money families who progeny attend such schools.

    Live birth = wedding ring. Her career sacrifice will make your family (You) priceless, because she bought the family with it. Free Market Wins Again. Sabotaging her birth control pills may be necessary. Its not like women have never played games with the damnable things.

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  64. Reggie — no blog for me. Enjoy the hit-and-run postings during work breaks.

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  65. 43 Jay

    “Just because you’re married doesn’t mean you’re immune to the game.”

    Well I am not married, but have been and I guess I just like real, not games. But that’s just me, I guess. You go ahead and have your fun games. If they’re so necessary to our survival or happiness why in fuck to do you have to refer to it as “game”. What bullshit! I’m not saying women are not full of themselves too. Just very glad to not be involved. Life is Good, much better, with a minimum of games. The only difference between game and games is an s.

    44 El whatever

    “because she knows, for once, she will be curbed unless she behaves.”

    “Curbed”? Wow.

    “What I think you object to is men being able to defend themselves in the mating battle. ”

    Just having the idea of having to “defend” yourself? You’re fucked and not in a good way. You’re asking for it.

    “you’ll forgive me if I really lose no sleep over it whatsoever.”

    I don’t really care if you and if they are it’s their problem, not yours. I’m simply observing both sides of the war and am not involved in it myself AT ALL. Yes, it is possible.

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  66. @63 Sov Am Male

    FemNazi’s are my favorite meltdown date. On occasion, a FemNazi comes into range, and my favorite shot is blaming the demographic collapse of Western Civ at their feet for getting the female priorities mixed up and backwards. Namely, babies first, at least 2 if not 3, then career, and they better damn well learn to keep their figure thru it all.

    Obviously they go apoplectic, have strokes, storm out, etc. What’s always amusing is the occasional woman who thinks it’s just a shit-test, makes small talk as if I was joking, and doesn’t realize until after we’ve had sex that I mostly meant it. At which point they go apoplectic, have strokes, storm out, etc….

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  67. on July 2, 2008 at 12:13 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @Attagurl Sara
    while not a very strong persuasive stand, I hear your personal truth in your response voice.

    I would hate to see any lady driven away, because then we would get more femi-raiders of the likes of Dizzy in here.

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  68. Sara,

    I think you discount how little agency most men have in their romantic and sexual lives, and the overdetermined role that dominance plays in their experience. I am unmarried not because I am inferior, but because richer, better-looking and more dominant men showed up to take away the women with whom I was having intellectual conversations and edging my way towards romance. I am unmarried because I was systematically passed over in my 20s by the women who were actively seeking marriage then, and I get to tell my 40-ish dates that I can’t marry them because I don’t want to, and my 20-ish dates that, after all, I can’t marry someone and leave town with her just because she finishes grad school. None of these women are stereotypically attractive at all, but I can read their body language and offer them good sex, and when most women anywhere can have sex all the time for the asking, it’s really INTERESTING to see WHO among them CAN’T, and how disproportionally women who spend their time handling intellectual abstractions are represented among those who report the same number of lifetime partners (8-15) as the average man.

    It’s been a really interesting experience to “age out” of the hormonal craze while not increasing my dominance overall, the result is that I only gain interest from the women I resemble psychologically, ethno-culturally, and socio-economically, because I can develop rapport using common socio-cultural codes, and because I am offering some things of value (sex, intellectualism, and entertainment) not readily on offer to them.

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  69. on July 2, 2008 at 12:26 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @65 El-Guapo
    I spewed freshly squezed organic orange juice at my monitior in a fit of laughter after hitting F5 and reading that.

    The Truth is refreshing, and Shocking to Em… esp when they find out you really mean it.

    By the way, a dear friend (known her about 6 years) hard-core femi-tizzy-st OD’d recently, resultant of guilt from the abortion she had last year, which has all but destroyed her.
    Thats not a guess from me, but from a confession from her.

    She has had the epiphany that she is a killer. and of her future daughter or son no less. Now she is suicidal. (which made me wonder if Ruslana Korshunova, age 20 recently aborted)
    I was at the hospital with her last night, and she kept telling me “you were so right, why didn’t I listen”. I hated being right, I hated watching her suffer, for her free will choice.

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  70. @65 Sara, Sara — Methinks thou doth protest too much…

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  71. Sov Am Male

    Offer her full absolution. Tell her directly, with maximal compassion, to go forth and sin no more. You might be surprised that it will do more good for her than all her drugs and therapy combined.

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  72. on July 2, 2008 at 12:50 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @69 El Guapo
    I dont think sara has understood your points, and for whatever reason that is (perhaps differing values in the gestalt of your presentation vis a vis a misunderstanding of contexts) and is agitating on phantasmal strawmen caused by the disconnect

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  73. Hope,

    I am sorry to say this but you sound like a pretty fucked up woman. Your marriage sounds hopelessly messed up, or at least it was in the past.

    I believe, IMHO, the greatest weapon a man can possess is to be able to walk away from pussy and not need it, as impossible as that may sound. If you want pussy, that is the ultimate weapon, at least in my game. It is a contradiction, but I believe it is true. I have honestly never played this game thing as described on this blog, and yet I have had many casual and serious relationships, or even lot of simple sex for pleasure encounters. Perhaps this sounds impossible, but if you do not need women simply for sex and all these stupid games people play with each other, life is a lot happier. For me, happiness is the goal of life. Try instead to cultivate true, honest, long lasting friendships and love. Seek out quality and decent people. Man, sometimes this blog is the most depressing thing I have ever read, even though it is quite funny and entertaining. What did Thoreau say, (I am not sure of the exact quote so please excuse or correct me if I get this wrong) “most people lead lives of quiet despair.” I sense a lot of that here. Perhaps I am wrong, but that is my sense of things. In the end there is really not much happiness or satisfaction in getting laid, then burning with desire to get laid again, but there is no one to get laid with until you find someone, which you may or may not do but you are now joining the herd of other desperate people trying to get laid. Not that it can’t be fun, the chase, but it does get old after a while. In the end I prefer one steady companion. But I am perfectly happy being single too.

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  74. on July 2, 2008 at 1:09 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @70 El Guapo
    We (Her and I) have gone round and round on the critical issues eg “Religion vs. personal actual relationship with the Creator”

    I will tell her that. “Your forgiven, go forth and sin no more”
    But when its spoken with total compassion by a mere mortal such as I to a woman in agony, it not the same thing as the Messiah who says those words oh so long ago, to a woman who was about to be stoned to death, except for his commuting her sentence, a few minutes before that dialog .

    All I can really do is hope, pray, help, care and be a friend.

    My caring-loving non-judgmental continuing presence during her trial, is evidence of my compassion of both her plight and her as a person.

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  75. total dependence financially and emotionally on her man

    Why would I want a woman to be financially and emotionally dependent on me? I’d rather she have her own money to support herself so she can leave me alone. My money can pay for my hobbies, her money can pay for her stuff, and we can avoid arguments about wasting money.

    no shopping therapy

    Dude, buying shit is a great emotional high even for men. I find myself elated by buying clothes at the department store, or by buying electronics at Best Buy.

    They fear the kitchen

    Home cooking pales in comparison to what one can eat in a restaurant. Even with women who can cook, it’s a poor substitute for prepared meals at a restaurant.

    Namely, babies first, at least 2 if not 3,

    Kids aren’t cheap…

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  76. on July 2, 2008 at 1:40 am Gunslingergregi

    Dang SovereignAmericanMale was it your kid?

    Got to love the savior saving the protitute. Of all the shit from Catholacism that story has benefited me the most.

    The other side of the coin, Suicide should be condoned like in soylent green when the people went and they asked about favorite colors and such and they died peacfully in a room. What is the thing with the crabs pulling the other crabs back into the barrel. If someone want s to leave it should be a viable option. It is slavery to be forced to stay on this planet by believing in the devil. The one free government program missing. The government can kill kids by the millions but when they grow up and want to die it is illegal. Would get a lot of thugs off the streets too. Rather than hating their life killing someone hoping to get the death penalty they could just go and die peacefully under a morally condoned practice two birds with one stone.

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  77. “the greatest weapon a man can possess is to be able to walk away from pussy and not need it, as impossible as that may sound.”

    And the greatest defense a woman has is to be able to support herself and never be utterly dependent on a man, as impossible — and distasteful — as men here seem to find it.

    “For me, happiness is the goal of life. Try instead to cultivate true, honest, long lasting friendships and love. Seek out quality and decent people.”

    Dude, for stating that so articulately I’ll buy you a beer!

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  78. on July 2, 2008 at 1:47 am Gunslingergregi

    Oh and Dave they don’t even sell 2 and a half pound t-bones in resteraunts and those are the best steaks. They also don’t have homemade zatziki or homemade cheese bread. You just havn’t had the right woman yet I guess. Why I’ll prob bring the ex back in from the cold after I make it. Since I am stuck here I might as well enjoy it with both loves of my life.

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  79. >I believe, IMHO, the greatest weapon a man can possess is to be able to walk away from pussy and not need it, as impossible as that may sound. If you want pussy, that is the ultimate weapon, at least in my game. It is a contradiction, but I believe it is true.

    So my very low sex drive these days is a good thing? To be honest, I don’t see anything wrong with it right now but have some worries it might eventually generate some sort of repercussion I cannot yet anticipate.

    >Why would I want a woman to be financially and emotionally dependent on me? I’d rather she have her own money to support herself so she can leave me alone. My money can pay for my hobbies, her money can pay for her stuff, and we can avoid arguments about wasting money.

    Signed. Altho I occasionally do finance stuff (usually assuming I wont get the money back but often times I do) but I can afford to do so.

    >Home cooking pales in comparison to what one can eat in a restaurant. Even with women who can cook, it’s a poor substitute for prepared meals at a restaurant.

    While objectively probably true about food quality when comparing to top of the line restaurants, I do not like restaurants. No privacy plus prices through the roof (tho the second point is not as salient in the US as it is in most of Europe). Plus it’s a pretty short walk from my kitchen to my bedroom (not really relevant just now, see above).

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  80. You just havn’t had the right woman yet I guess.

    Several family members, Wellesley Queen, the older woman, and the rarely mentioned Jewish Queen cook or have cooked for me. Trust me, eating out even at somewhere as pedestrian as Applebees is better.

    Signed. Altho I occasionally do finance stuff (usually assuming I wont get the money back but often times I do) but I can afford to do so.

    I can’t right now, and I’ll never be in a position to support a woman in that fashion, so it’s in my best incentive to have a woman who can support herself.

    No privacy plus prices through the roof

    My problem with restaurants is that there’s a stigma against eating alone. I really don’t want a bunch of white people staring at the lone black person eating alone…

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  81. >Trust me, eating out even at somewhere as pedestrian as Applebees is better.

    Must be some rather bad cooks then. Or you’re just hooked to crappy American restaurant fare.

    >I can’t right now, and I’ll never be in a position to support a woman in that fashion, so it’s in my best incentive to have a woman who can support herself.

    People raise families on significantly lower incomes than what I will soon earn all for myself, so I can justify that.

    >I really don’t want a bunch of white people staring at the lone black person eating alone…

    I would never go to a restaurant all alone if there was another option (eating at home beats the shit out of that, for sure but I’m biased there). Of course, occasionally (especially when travelling) there is not any other option.

    BTW, have you ever investigated your testosterone levels? I’m beginning to suspect mine to be ridiculously low (the symptoms all line up) and you sound somewhat similar here. If not, I would definitely consider seeing a shrink about depression.

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  82. Must be some rather bad cooks then. Or you’re just hooked to crappy American restaurant fare.

    I suspect it’s the latter. It’s not as if they can’t cook since I have complimented them on their cooking, but the high levels of salt, fat, and grease just simply make eating out much better.

    People raise families on significantly lower incomes than what I will soon earn all for myself, so I can justify that.

    Yes, but you and your potential female partner will live in envy of those who have more.

    Of course, occasionally (especially when travelling) there is not any other option.

    I forced myself to eat in two restaurants alone during my trip to SF, and it wasn’t an absolute abortion as expected. Mind you, it feels easier to do so out of one’s locale.

    If not, I would definitely consider seeing a shrink about depression.

    I probably would have availed myself of a therapist, but I’m uninsured, so the cost is simply too prohibitive at this point. IIRC, at my last check up, I was at normal hormonal levels, but I wonder if excessive masturbation could cause issues in this regard.

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  83. > It’s not as if they can’t cook since I have complimented them on their cooking,

    Like that proves they can cook., Unless the stuff was clearly toxic you’d be expected to compliment them… Overly salty pretty much precludes knowing how to cook (it’s a matter of defintion, people occasionally claim I cook to salty but besides of that, I DO know how to cook).

    > Yes, but you and your potential female partner will live in envy of those who have more.

    I’ve rarely felt envy about money (but then again I’ve nearly always made more than most of my peers which would not be the case in an entry level position if you looked across the firm but comparing to outside groups, it would still hold). I occasionally feel it if I see people who appear to be truly happy (or when some guy who you would not expect to is obviously dating a hot girl, but that feelings pretty damn rare) about that’s pretty orthogonal to their wealth, really.

    I do not see how masturbation would directly lower hormone levels vis a vis sex. I doubt the body could really know the difference. Now as for ego I figure it could have some effect.

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  84. on July 2, 2008 at 3:29 am SovereignAmericanMale

    76 Gunslingergregi

    Dang SovereignAmericanMale was it your kid?

    Nope… and thats a very liberating thing. It gives me room to open my heart towards her.
    I don’t think I could talk to a woman who would have aborted my unborn son or daughter.
    I would still help such a woman if she ever needed real help (eg food, clothing, temporary, shelter, prevention from drowning etc. But I don’t think I could engage them in a conversation. Killing a member of my family is a warlike action, and its very hard to keep a civil tounge with such.

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  85. I personally would not cheat on a guy I was going out with, and have not done so ,so faralthough it has been tempting this is because I feel theh person I am seeing realy likes me and they would be hurt if they foundout I was cheating. But I think that I would definately cheat on the guy I marry, simply because if I cheat early on in the relationship while Ive ‘still got it’ then I wont’ feel bad when he cheats when I am older, I am saying this based on my parents example. My parents are really religous, or my mum is at least and my dad just pretends to be, but my dad who alot of women considered good looking remaianed faithful probably only for about 5 years,after his marriage after that he had continuous affairs and when we were little he even used to favour his girlfriends over us. He had afairs eventhough most people would consider my mum to be above his standards and she is also 10 years younger than him, and has an amazing faceshape cheek bone structure that she has even retained up to now, but when guys gave her attention and even to the ones who were persistent she was hostile to them and never was unfaithful. My dad is in his early 50s now and so obviously he does not really get any female attention any more and the attention that he does get eg from women his age he would not act on he is highly critical of older women and tends to fall under the spell of any younger woman, which is why its so embarrasing to bring friends around, he likes really young women. My dad is now adicted to call girls/ prostitues/strippers/escorts whatever you want to call them and I think u guys probably know how expensive these women are and knowing my dad he would only settle for the finest, so he spends alot of his money on women when he could actually be spending it on us, any way the point im making is that I never want to feel like what my mum feels like when she realises oh he’s with an escort again, so before I used to believe that I would be completely faithful to the man I marry but then decided I would try every man who I like while I can, but hopefully Ill do it in a way that my husband does not find out. Women hardly ever get caught

    There was a study recently that suggested that children of parents who chet are more likely to cheat and it also found that people in america were the most unfaithful and that people in britain were next on the list whereas people in africa and asia were the most faithful, so if u guys are really scared u could get yourself a wife from one of these continents, or alternatively you could get yourself a wife from Russia or eastern Europe, they tend to be very faithful and the vast majority of them marry men who are at least 2 decades older than them however they tend to value money very very highly, so she will only marry a rich guy.

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  86. > But I think that I would definately cheat on the guy I marry, simply because if I cheat early on in the relationship while Ive ’still got it’ then I wont’ feel bad when he cheats when I am older

    That’s gotta be the stupidest thing I read all week.

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  87. why do u think its stupid?

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  88. 84 S.A.M

    Your friend who aborted kind of has it wrong. Death is not a punishment, which is why the death penalty is so ludicrous. She didn’t kill her child as much as freed them. They will be back soon. I too had an abortion and felt bad about it, but once it’s done it’s done. Her child would not want her to suffer the way she is. Perhaps she was rather unbalanced to begin. It sounds like it. So she would probably have not been a fit parent. She just needs to take responsibility or maybe sometime in the future, work with young mothers and an adoption agency or something to help herself get over it.

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  89. Will not comment on the ultra-low thing except to note that it’s very often mood-related, and anti-depressants often renew the desire but take away the ability. The more “static” your overall life, the more likely depression becomes, there is also a dominance element in that some hypotheses regard depression and depressive symptoms as an excessive submission response extended in time (for men who really were constantly traumatized as children.)

    Also, low-dominance men in “nurturing” professions (nursing, caregiver) report more pervasive ultra-low, while high-dominance men in those professions (specialist doctors, surgeons) clock in at about the same level as high-dominance men in other fields.

    The one-two punch there means that I wind up like DA, despite having been generally extroverted throughout my life. I have had tons of female friends who thought I was smart, funny, etc, but they still don’t wanna f*ck me.

    It does make you wonderfully non-needy, but the only thing I can think of to do directly is some praxis of the body (Zen, yoga, tai chi) so that you can identify blockages and flows of energy and free up the sexual energy you have. I tend to indulge in art and music, so prose and classical (I am partial to Vivaldi and Bach, and women who appreciate both) have their charms and fill my time. Of course, Philip Roth wrote (in _The Human Stain_) that in other times, old men had recourse to philosophy, “but now we have Viagra.”

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  90. > The more “static” your overall life, the more likely depression becomes

    That is in part true (it’s more boredom than static but the two are probably correlated and sleeping too much does not help it, either) but in my case, it’s not really proper depression. Could be dysthimia as its more of a general numbness towards, well most things.

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  91. Sara: She didn’t kill her child as much as freed them. They will be back soon.

    Care to rationalize this one to those of us who don’t believe in reincarnation?

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  92. on July 2, 2008 at 5:21 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @85 Katie

    Learn to Paragraph Break!!!!
    You are killing me. Its very hard to read for content in your stream of thought / diarrhea of the pen.

    Did your teachers in G.B. let you slide with such poor style?
    id all the kids in your school provide the same kind of work?

    I am not trying to bust your bollucks or anything of the sort.
    I am trying to figure out what happened to you and how “widespread the damage is. A college student in Uni should have a higher standard of workmanship, and pride.

    @88 Sara

    “Death is not a punishment, which is why the death penalty is so ludicrous. ”

    You talk like an insane person. 1. No one else was talking about death penalty punishment, which is what You brought up during talk about abortion. (what the hell generated a link between the two in your head?)

    “They will be back soon.”

    Sounds like you have bought that belief thought-form called
    Reincarnation. Did you believe in it before your abortion?
    Very soothing huh? Pretty Lies generally are.

    “I too had an abortion and felt bad about it, but once it’s done it’s done.”

    Right, no need to beat your self up over it, day after day, for the rest of your life. After all, its only, what? a human life (scratch human life) An temporary obstacle, hindrance that is part of your body. Your Body Your Choice.

    Never mind the fact that individual choices add up, and 60 million unborn have perished here in the U.S. by very bad timing and parental choice. If only they had chosen a different (better) mother they wouldn’t be dead.

    Hey, I am not judging you personally for your choice.
    My mother walked into an abortion clinic three times, but couldn’t bring herself to terminate me. She was in her late 30s and had four kids from her previous husband.
    The Docs swore up and down she wouldn’t survive my birth.
    Thank God, she was from an older generation with better morals and values.

    “Perhaps she was rather unbalanced to begin. It sounds like it. ” quid pro quo… Pot meet Kettle ad infinitum.

    You bring to mind, this book called American Women are Crazy by Michael H. Brown. He said

    “American Women: They try to act like men. They walk like horses. Many of them look like pigs. The ones who appear physically attractive can most charitably be described as head cases. The things they do to themselves-abortions, birth control pills, anti-depressants and the like-more often than not render them clinically insane.”

    I suspect the killing of another human being, which triggers PTSD in soldiers is hard wired into genes/dna as a genetic prohibition against homicide. Like all pain triggers, its a reflex telling us to stop doing a injurious behavior.

    “So she would probably have not been a fit parent.”

    Its nice of you to make that determination, you paragon of parentiality you.

    Expectations of such a creature as: perfect/fit parent is an illogical non-sequitor. There is no such thing as a fit or unfit parent, as all humans are fallible, and given to error. This word Fit is based on a mutable standard that varies from expert to expert. Its a term coined by lawyers and their agents to win custody and financial support for their client.

    But a standard, even if its ersatz must exist within the society, and we fabricate one, and then buy into it.
    I hold that all humans are evil by the time they are adult and that even evil parents through transference or protection of perceived property do what is best for their progeny. Saints are statistical flukes that are positively insane, and they correspond to the Monsters who are negatively insanity is. Bookends of the Bell-curve.

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  93. on July 2, 2008 at 5:30 am SovereignAmericanMale

    91 Animus

    “Sara: She didn’t kill her child as much as freed them. They will be back soon.”

    “Care to rationalize this one to those of us who don’t believe in reincarnation?”

    I have a really long post, waiting to clear roissy, that touches on that very subject, and many other points about sara’s post.

    I feel the worst for athiests who get nailed by guilt over having had an abortion. At least sara isn’t total nut.

    Now, I believe sara is a functionally mental ill woman. Sorta like a beneficial psychopath, beneficial as long as you were not the unlucky tadpole who chose her womb as your temporary lodgings.

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  94. David Alexander — unless you’re eating at French Laundry (Thomas Keller’s place) or maybe Mario Batali’s or Gordon Ramsey’s, home cooking beats restaurant cooking any day of the weak.

    Anyone who’s seen Ramsey’s “Kitchen Nightmares” and done a lot of eating out knows that most places are pits, health wise, and taste-wise. Most of the guys are untrained, dishes are made to an eye to minimize labor costs, and much of the food is cold crap by the time it reaches your plate. That might make you sick at best. Plus, over-priced.

    Cooking at home is fun (lots of cool tools), it’s a craft you can learn (without having to be expert), it saves you lots of money, and is a good way to relax. Not for nothing does the Weekend WSJ run recipes. I could spend hours at William-Sonoma. I’ve done most of the cooking any relationship. I’m just BETTER at it. [Most women don’t shop at the local Farmer’s Market. I always go in to work late on Wed. cause that’s when the local Farmer’s Market has all the good local FRESH produce. Good ingredients, CHEAPER, better tasting food.]

    I can cook better Indian, Thai, and Italian dishes than available in my local restaurants. Saving a lot of money and relaxing at the same time. Every guy should have cookbooks (plural) and experiment with various recipes. Heck Food Network has tons of easy, online recipes.

    ANYONE can cook better than Applebees. I mean anyone. It’s industrial cooking with all that implies. High levels of salt and fat? THAT is why *I* cook at home. BTW, also a great date if you can master a recipe that looks at least complicated. Invite the girl over. DEMONSTRATE your mastery or something “not easy” (trust me, if it turns out great, with the right wine, you’ll score more points for masculine mastery than a night out at a crappy place in a ritzy neighborhood.).

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  95. on July 2, 2008 at 6:22 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @51 agnostic

    “the pussy juice of the girls who’ve straddled and ridden your thigh acts as a potent chemical signal the next night you go out.”

    Old hat really, back in collage I started to make my girls masturbate with all my ties, and my cloth belts, and silk Hankies. Any they thought I was just kinky. I never used cologne. High quality soap and a deodorant stone.

    I was often asked what aftershave I used, plus its a subconscious High Value status marker. She doesn’t really know why she trusts me more then other guys… I just faintly smell like a whorehouse.

    Covert Chemical Warfare.

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  96. DA/Whiskey

    We have an arrangement at our house: I do all the cooking, she does all the cleanup. Been working great for twelve years.

    As for quality, I have perfected my bolognese sauce and chicken/veal marsala, and haven’t been to a restaurant that can top them yet (most restaurant marsala is heavily salted and comes in a plastic industrial jug). My tabouleh salad draws rave reviews at potlucks, as does my gazpacho (so simple–just grind up veggies, add tomato juice and splashes of olive oil, worcestershire sauce, and red wine vinegar) and original kabob recipe.

    Cooking isn’t really that hard. Just pick a few signature dishes and keep practicing.

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  97. Let me give an example why every guy should know how to cook.

    Get shrimp out at say, Applebees? Ever wonder why it tastes like crap? Because it’s both farm raised (ick, the shrimp all eat each other’s poo) and because the cooks don’t do the proper de-veining and de-intestine-izing.

    Buy the shrimp yourself, ocean-caught, fresh, and de-vein and de-intestine yourself. Don’t overcook (common at Applebees) because rubbery shrimp is awful. Five-six minutes at most in the pan or on the bbq grill. DELICIOUS.

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  98. 93 S.A.M

    ““Care to rationalize this one to those of us who don’t believe in reincarnation?””

    Hell no!

    “Now, I believe sara is a functionally mental ill woman. Sorta like a beneficial psychopath, beneficial as long as you were not the unlucky tadpole who chose her womb as your temporary lodgings.”

    LOL I tell you this site is just too much work. Armchair psychoanalysts everywhere. Ask my daughter how horrible it is to have me for a mother and she would laugh at you. For one thing, I think I’m one of the few on this site who has actually married and procreated instead of just talking about it ad nauseam. The best parents are those with no kids. LOL…as she laughs maniacally. You guys are funny.

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  99. on July 2, 2008 at 8:43 am SovereignAmericanMale

    98 Sara

    “as she laughs maniacally.”

    Its good to see you have a sense of humor about your condition.

    “Armchair psychoanalysts everywhere.”

    Psych was one of my double majors, nothing armchair about it. I am firmly convinced it cant fix anything, but it can identify problems.

    “Ask my daughter how horrible it is to have me for a mother and she would laugh at you.”

    Have others seen this daughter you speak of, or just you?

    “For one thing, I think I’m one of the few on this site who has actually married and procreated instead of just talking about it ad nauseam. ”

    Married once, cremated a wife once. She miscarried three times. Helped raised 8 nieces and nephews. “Next…”

    “The best parents are those with no kids.”

    Your attempts at motherhood pretense are laid bare, thank you for acknowledging your delusion.

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  100. @Katie:
    “he would not act on he is highly critical of older women and tends to fall under the spell of any younger woman, which is why its so embarrasing to bring friends around, he likes really young women.”
    What you must understand is that men are hardwire into fertile women. Nature tells them to make love to any fertile woman they see. Most women don’t realize how strong and even painful that desire is. Carnal desire can even override your own free will. That’s why I am against men marrying women above 28 or so, unless he is much older: he will soon have a wife he isn’t attracted too. Men don’t really have that much use for women past 35. This may be nature’s greatest tragedy.

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  101. on July 2, 2008 at 12:25 pm Patrick Bateman

    Gannon
    That’s why I am against men marrying women above 28 or so, unless he is much older: he will soon have a wife he isn’t attracted too.

    What about guys who get tired of all women very quickly? Even as a teenager, I would get tired of fucking the same pussy after hitting it a dozen times or so. They would still be attractive to me, but they just wouldn’t hit the arousal buttons like they used to. I think this is what you’re getting at. If your 35 year old wife works out, she will still be attractive, but your dick will be tired of her.

    Though this sometimes feels like a curse, it gives me the advantage if picking girlfriends based on more than their looks, no homo. Many men pick a little hotty, only later to find out that she sucks as a mom and can’t hold a conversation about anything other than American Idol.

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  102. Old hat really, back in collage I started to make my girls masturbate with all my ties, and my cloth belts, and silk Hankies. Any they thought I was just kinky. I never used cologne. High quality soap and a deodorant stone.

    Reeeeeeaaaaally? Hmm. And you just keep the handkerchief in your pocket or what? I don’t normally wear a tie and my belts are leather, so I’m trying to think of an appropriate analog; I’d like to try that out.

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  103. Hope,

    I am sorry to say this but you sound like a pretty fucked up woman. Your marriage sounds hopelessly messed up, or at least it was in the past.

    That was all in the past. We resolved the mess before we got married. I’m not as fucked up as I used to be, but of course personal growth doesn’t stop in one’s 20s. Anyway, my point remains that young girls these days are often fucked up, with so many many broken families and mixed messages from society, and that I doubt people are just born as good “wife” or “girlfriend” material.

    I believe, IMHO, the greatest weapon a man can possess is to be able to walk away from pussy and not need it, as impossible as that may sound.

    What you say might apply to flings and casual dating, but this is a 5 year relationship that was practically marriage without the paperwork. The fact that neither of us walked away but stayed to fix the relationship despite so much adversity is precisely why we are still together and love each other.

    People nowadays often give the advice to walk away, and that’s the advice I got from everyone, too. So many people I talked to said that to “need” is wrong, and that we should be independent and not co-dependent. But the bond between us could not be easily broken, and other people see such a strong bond so rarely that they think it must be severed.

    No, I don’t easily let go of the love of my life, nor does he. Our parents’ generation do not have the right role models. They give up easily due to selfishness and momentary passions. My grandparents in China, despite cheating and not so much passion, are still married after over half a century. Till death do us part holds little meaning for others, but for us it is a real oath.

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  104. 99 S.A.M.

    “Your attempts at motherhood pretense are laid bare, thank you for acknowledging your delusion.”

    I’m trying to figure out exactly what crawled up your ass. I come here for fun and amusement and to drop a few stink bombs here and there. Why so serious? This is a blog site. Have I deeply offended your honor in some way???

    Anyway, I’m getting way too busy and the various diatribes are too much to keep up with..

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  105. ^ 99 S.A.M.

    “Married once, cremated a wife once. She miscarried three times. Helped raised 8 nieces and nephews. “Next…””

    Well I wasn’t really talking about you in particular, not knowing your history, but many here are single and have never had kids. If I told you my history….well, I’m not in the mood for it, but like any life it’s pretty astounding.

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  106. on July 2, 2008 at 3:59 pm Pope Goaz D'Weezil

    Women need the validation of being in a relationship, so they jump ship more often than not. Test the waters with the new guy, make sure he’s willing to accept them long term, and then they dump the old guy. I can’t complain much, as I further this issue by acknowledging that women without significant others usually have something wrong with them.

    And women involved with other men are perfect – it can only be about the sex. You can’t meet their family, and you can’t buy them gifts. A harem of married women would be close to perfect, especially considering that you could let some loads slip unprotected and get a provider beta to do a good job of raising your spawn.

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  107. 99 SAM

    Sorry about the repeat postings Roissy. Get over it!

    S.A.M. am thinking your current attacks on me are inspired by:
    a.) Peer pressure.
    b.) You honestly think I’m a delusional witch.
    c.) You’re tweaked because I never responded to your offer to IM.

    If c.) is the case I can tell you this; I just got too busy and I could go into the complex details of my life, but was still thinking about it. My web man never really answered my question as to whether IMing is hack safe either.

    Am not accusing you of being passive aggressive or anything (God forbid) but the way my young male friends would deal with my neglect? They would say “Why the fuck didn’t you answer my question, bitch!” I love that directness.

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  108. on July 2, 2008 at 5:32 pm M. Bradwell

    I just find some of this so odd.

    To some extent, you find what you are looking for. So if you are willing to consider women in relationships, then you will think that women in relationships are (sometimes? often?) willing to leave. And you will be involved with women who aren’t straightforward enough to break things off.

    It seems that some of you are selecting for women who will behave in deceptive/dependent/validation seeking ways, and then complaining that women are deceptive/dependent/validation seeking. If this really bothers you, even if you are interested in the woman, walk away. yes, you have walked away from someone with real potential. No, I’m not going to tell you that someone else equally good but without that flaw will spring up to take her place.

    But don’t you value yourselves? (This little screed is not going out to the men who are happing switching partners and don’t feel wounded/let down by these partners’ behavior.) Set standards for who you involve yourself with, and if she doesn’t meet gf standards but would be fun, I would say go for it. But don’t compromise re: your actual needs.

    Also, re: the dating game, it isn’t as easy for women as y’all seem to think it is. We don’t always have our pick of men, and even if it seems that way, just like it is for you, the men we have the pick of may be totally unsuitable. It’s funny, someone upthread said that both the top 10% of women and men have the pick of 50% of the opposite sex, but didn’t seem to realize that makes it equally hard for women and men outside of that magic number.

    And the feminist steretypes are odd/contradictory. So feminists don’t want to have kids, are obsessed with money and shopping and stereotypically female acoutrements, and yet want men to provide them? Really? Because the feminists I know also tend to be uncomfortable with materialism, uncomfortable with letting men buy them things unless it is completely reciprocal (and often 50-50), although I would agree that it is true that a lot of professional women (feminist and non) are not completely aware of the whole biological clock thing. But my two feminist older sisters are married with kids.

    And to second what everyone else is saying to DA, most of the time, home cooking is better than restaurant fare, and even if you’re talking about top-of-the-line restaurants, a really gifted cook with a well-equipped kitchen can duplicate at least some of that.

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  109. “My web man never really answered my question as to whether IMing is hack safe either”

    Only if you forget to replenish the internet tubes in your PC.

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  110. most of the time, home cooking is better than restaurant fare

    I’m not saying home cooked food cannot be good. I’ve had great examples of home cooked food from the women in my life, but for some reason, my taste palates finds even the most industrialized fast food or chain food to be better than its home-cooked counterpart.

    OTOH, I am a porn addict, so that may play a role in my tastes as well…

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  111. on July 2, 2008 at 8:26 pm M. Bradwell

    Grill hamburgers, brush with butter, and a bit of beer. (Assuming you like beer.) If you know how to grill, they will be much better than anything fast food.

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  112. When did this turn in to a cooking blog? I am dying over here…ridiculous.

    Can I do some freelance for you, Roissy? Maybe I can teach the world how to grill…I see a video section… I’ll cook in only an apron.

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  113. on July 2, 2008 at 8:54 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    104 sara

    “I’m trying to figure out exactly what crawled up your ass.”

    Forgive me if you think I am trying to tear your head off. I am “justly” challenging you. I want to see you backing your statements up, or if they are puffs and will dissolve under close scrutiny. I have a bad habit of killing (barbe-Q’n) peoples sacred cows in the search for truth.

    “Why so serious?

    Your lack of personal knowledge of me, or enough time with me, has led you to miss the mark there. The problem with the printed word is it lacks real tone-ality, which in turn, leads to guessing assumptions of my current location on that map I call “Non-vocal Frivolity through Dropdead Seriousness island”

    “Have I deeply offended your honor in some way???”

    Your question makes some assumptions:
    Assumption 1: That S.A.M. has honor
    Assumption 2: That S.A.M.’s assumed honor could in fact be offended (if it really did exist).
    Assumption 3: That Sara is capable of offending my Honor (and to the “Deeply” degree at that).

    The answer is I really have nothing within this forum for you to offend, as my (offend me) buttons are far removed from the internet. Speak your mind freely (open and honest), thats all I ever want in conversation, from anyone.

    “Anyway, I’m getting way too busy and the various diatribes are too much to keep up with..”

    Kitchen gets hot sometimes, don’t it. It nothing personal babe.

    107 sara

    “S.A.M. am thinking your current attacks on me are inspired by:
    a.) Peer pressure.
    b.) You honestly think I’m a delusional witch.
    c.) You’re tweaked because I never responded to your offer to IM.”

    A: I have not yet, found my online peers, as in ones whom have capability of influencing me (I know my Own mind. Period.)

    B: I believe that every human who takes another humans life, loses a bit of sanity. My shit-test for, your delusional self in post 99 was tounge-in-cheek. Try to find the distinction, its not hard. (grin)

    C: I had forgotten that a while ago. I have a large number of IM friends, and it not an issue if you declined my offer.

    I prefer real time communication, rather then the slow message boards. IM and Skype are Free and are of international scope. The hack-safe thing is a red herring.

    The internet everywhere is NOT Hacksafe, if the truth be told. But most people don’t fret over it. You can use http://www.meebo.com (website based im client) instead of downloading a client to your pc/mac if you are paranoid.

    “Am not accusing you of being passive aggressive or anything”

    I like your self confidence. It seems you think you are worthy of me acting a certain way to get your attention.

    “They would say “Why the fuck didn’t you answer my question, bitch!”,”I love that directness.”

    Yo fine ass ain’t (That) worthy, check yo self b-fo you wreck yo self. But keep talking, your words are more rational then the Dizzy.

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  114. on July 2, 2008 at 9:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    It’s one of the things a good woman can provide other than her snatch that is a good thing 🙂

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  115. on July 2, 2008 at 9:10 pm M. Bradwell

    Dizzy is completely rational. Problem is, no one here likes the result of what she says. The process is quite clear and cogent.

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  116. on July 2, 2008 at 9:35 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    @115 M. Bradwell

    “Dizzy is completely rational. Problem is, no one here likes the result of what she says. The process is quite clear and cogent.”

    pfffh! lies! lies! and more lies!

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  117. on July 2, 2008 at 10:17 pm M. Bradwell

    Hmmm, then my repretoire sucks. I should work in some damn lies and statistics to round out the triumverate.

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  118. Dizzy is completely rational. Problem is, no one here likes the result of what she says.

    Some justify things they don’t like as lies or irrational. Sometimes though, people disagree on the rationality of a conclusion. Democrats are sure that they are more rational than Republicans and vice versa. Both of these things can’t be true, but this doesn’t mean that Republicans subconsciously think Democrats are right. If people could agree on what was and was not rational, the world would be a far, far more peaceful place.

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  119. on July 2, 2008 at 11:19 pm M. Bradwell

    I don’t think you can disagree on the rationality of a conclusion unless the process by which the conclusion was reached is flawed.

    Dizzy’s process is pretty good.

    I think it is her underlying assumptions (and by assumptions, I mean the parts of her position that she does not explain) which make people here uncomfortable.

    Unfortunately, IMO, usually the convo. gets too heated for the fems and the anti-fems to get all meta and discuss the validity of the parts of our opinions that we assume, without explaining, to be true.

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  120. I think I agree with most of what sara is saying. U men will not attract the right kind of lady by trying to play them off one another if you do do that and you successfully attain the girl you wanted, you would have attained her for all the wrong reasons, and she will probably easily leave u.

    I say this because if she is in a relationship with you after beating off what she considered to be competition, she will just think oh well my work here is done I beat the other girl to it, Im better than her my ego has been fed now let me move on to a guy I actually fo want to be with. Easy come easy go.

    The only real way to get a girl that you want to stay with is to get to know her properly like nobody else knows her, dont act pervy, act sensitive, be nice get her trust and retain it, show her how much yu care for her.

    But teh truth is some of u guys are wayto ambitous, youtry toget girs way out of your league and to be honest with u she may go out with you but she is unlikely to stay with you so before u go demanding on what type of womanu want and ofcourse every guy wants a pretty woman I think you should hold your own mirror a bit higher and see what you have to offer the girl.

    I agree with Sara that the game may work on some girls, but alot of girls know the tactics guys use and are immune to them.

    I hope u guys find the woman u are looking for but I think u need to change your attitude a bit if u want to find the ‘right’ woman

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  121. 113 Sovereign

    ” I want to see you backing your statements up, or if they are puffs and will dissolve under close scrutiny. I have a bad habit of killing (barbe-Q’n) peoples sacred cows in the search for truth.”

    You want me to “back up” my statements? Who has time for such nonsense? * poof * there goes another one. Seriously, I’m too busy to engage in such frivolities. So kill away! None of my cows are sacred. They are just cows.

    “C: I had forgotten that a while ago. I have a large number of IM friends, and it not an issue if you declined my offer.”

    You had FORGOTTEN? Well, I’ve never been so offended….. Sorry you find it so terribly difficult to keep up with your voluminous number of friends!

    “It seems you think you are worthy of me acting a certain way to get your attention.” “Yo fine ass ain’t (That) worthy”

    Our worthiness is inherent. Some believe in their worthiness, others don’t. The act of trying to prove worthiness renders a person unworthy. But only in their own eyes and the eyes of others, not in reality. How can a person BE and be unworthy? Impossible. * poof *

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  122. So not worth going down this route that debating it is totally fucking pointless.

    Women have to just give it up…it’s really just sad how self pity will allow people to justify whatever action they opt to go with.

    Let’s just remember what Jack Nicholson responded when his character in the movie As Good As It Gets was asked how he ‘gets women so well’.

    –First of all I write as a man, then I subtract all reason and accountability–

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  123. on July 3, 2008 at 1:58 am SovereignAmericanMale

    102 Animus

    “Reeeeeeaaaaally? Hmm. And you just keep the handkerchief in your pocket or what? I don’t normally wear a tie and my belts are leather, so I’m trying to think of an appropriate analog; I’d like to try that out.”

    In the past, I kept four or five silk hankies in seperate ziplocs in my backpack or briefcase. Use one for about three or so hours then change em out.

    Its wonderful to offer em to a girl who is in histeronic weeping fits. Do you wear wifebeaters, tank tops or tees under better quality dress shirts? If so, use these… Ideally you want the sexual fluids of a femme under the age of 22-23. Others have chosen to contract with professional ladies of the night, to procure the Scents.

    This reminds me of another practice. That of almost kissing the proffered female’s right hand. This old custom of France and other European countries.
    Originally, the gentleman was sniffing to catch the scent of recent masturbation, a sure sign of availability to pursuit.

    Not in fashion here, because of hyper-hand-washing (O.C.D.), and other so called modern health practices.

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  124. I don’t think you can disagree on the rationality of a conclusion unless the process by which the conclusion was reached is flawed.

    Dizzy’s process is pretty good.

    People do so all the time. It happens every day. Most often this happens when things are based on unsubstantiated “facts” (which we all rely on heavily to get through the modern world) and personal feelings. Any time you talk about personal emotions, like here, there is cognitive dissonance.

    But I digress, the required sophistry to elevate or decimate the Dizzy position is surely not the kind you have over the Internet, and to be honest, most people don’t have the stomach for it. If you can’t agree on *that*, then discourse is at an impasse and I must simply recall my ambassador.

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  125. But teh truth is some of u guys are wayto ambitous, youtry toget girs way out of your league

    Translation: “Don’t you fucking people know your place?”

    You are British, right? Fitting words, what with Friday being the 232nd anniversary of when some Brits told us that and we told them to kiss ass.

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  126. on July 3, 2008 at 3:14 am SovereignAmericanMale

    121 sara

    “Our worthiness is inherent. ”

    Debatable.
    I am sure G. Bush Jr., A. Hitler, V. Stalin, P. Pot, Mao Z. with
    the millions of human lives ended on their orders, are just as worthy as M. Gandi, J. Christ, M. Theresa, M.L. King.

    NOT!!!!

    Your total life is a measurable thing. There is a judgment. There is a consequence manifest for the life you live.

    “The act of trying to prove worthiness renders a person unworthy.”

    Where the hell did you come up with that. If you don’t have time for the nonsense of proving out that statement, I don’t have the time to accept it as something True. And its plainly false. Quid Pro Quo.

    “How can a person BE and be unworthy? Impossible.”

    Answer: Be cause a person has the free will to chose:

    To Be GOOD: Benevolent at best, non harmful at worst
    =Worthy

    To Be EVIL: Failure to render aid to someone in suffering or need (ambivalence) at best, willful intention to cause harm and action thereof (murderer, rapist, arsonist etc)
    =Unworthy

    Or a mix of these two poles.

    Thats one valid metric for worthiness. Not impossible.
    —————————————————————————-
    My whole point though is that you are more than, just a little bit conceited. Or you place a higher value on yourself, than you think you actually are worth.
    —————————————————————————-

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  127. on July 3, 2008 at 3:22 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @120 Katie

    Much better… Thank you, for better paragraphing (and for the effort)

    next thing to improve is the space bar failure… or you failure to space between words.

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    @121 Sara

    “Sorry you find it so terribly difficult to keep up with your voluminous number of friends!”

    Nice Attack, but its a twisting of my words:
    found in the source statement

    “C: I had forgotten that a while ago. I have a large number of IM friends, and it not an issue if you declined my offer.”

    Point1 “I had forgotten that a while ago.”

    Means: I moved on and time has gone by, and my request has aged to irrelevancy by your non action.
    Non Response is a response. Silence means you are not interested.
    I served the ball into your court, you failed return the serve. If you really had wanted to take me up on it you would have.

    point 2 “I have a large number of IM friends”

    Means what is says:
    It does NOT mean that I have so many, that I am unable or “find it so terribly difficult to keep up with”. That it makes no never-mind if you do or if you don’t. or

    It don’t “tweak” me.

    Part of a rebuttal to your Charging statement: “You’re tweaked because I never responded to your offer to IM”

    Point 3 “and it not an issue if you declined my offer.”

    Means: to be a reinforcement/concluding statement to the first two, which you obviously failed to understand or you wouldn’t have made the ad hominim attack

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  128. on July 3, 2008 at 3:23 am M. Bradwell

    Oh, I know people do. But rarely do they understand the what and why of their actions. You seem to. Good on you.

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  129. on July 3, 2008 at 3:26 am M. Bradwell

    I don’t think it takes sophistry, btw. That is exactly what I usually see from the ‘intelligent’ responses to her post. It takes an in-depth discussion of the pertinent underlying values and realities that her statements bring into play.

    If people were to head in that direction, even if we did not reach any sort of agreement about her arguments or the underlying principles, we would all understand a lot more about how well-thought out our positions were, and about our perceptions of the world and values.

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  130. 126 Sovereign Man

    “I am sure G. Bush Jr., A. Hitler, V. Stalin, P. Pot, Mao Z. with
    the millions of human lives ended on their orders, are just as worthy as M. Gandi, J. Christ, M. Theresa, M.L. King.”

    You are correct. They all went to heaven (if you will) when they died. Hell was here. Why should Hitler be punished? Why would God punish her own creation? Makes no sense. And death is a release from suffering. Hitler screwed up if he was trying to punish the Jews. The one’s who lived are another story. I could go on and on…..

    “Your total life is a measurable thing. There is a judgment. There is a consequence manifest for the life you live.”

    A consequence due to natural law which is non judgmental. Judgment is human, not God. Who judges? God judges that which she creates? Ridiculous. Prove it! He who likes proofs so much.

    Sara says ““The act of trying to prove worthiness renders a person unworthy.” But you conveniently left off the next qualifying statement. You must try a little harder to keep things in context. It can make all the difference.

    From the Urban Dictionary: Squid Pro Quo “That exchange was totally squid pro quo, I gave him some squid and he gave me some tentacle videos.”

    GOOD is that which we want.
    BAD is that which we do not want.
    EVIL is that which we think is bad.

    “My whole point though is that you are more than, just a little bit conceited. Or you place a higher value on yourself, than you think you actually are worth.”

    Yep, I place a pretty high value on myself and unbelievable as it is, others do to. But this cracked me up! If I’m conceited, so what? I also don’t take myself very seriously and as far as I know that is one of the requirements for being REALLY conceited. I know what I know, believe what I believe, and know nothing at the same time. Life IS paradox. I love it.

    If I were as smart as Socrates (who knew even less than I do) I could use the Socratic method to prove that life is eternal, but alas… Perhaps I could even prove our inherent worthiness. If we were not worth SOMETHING– each and everyone of us–we would not be here.

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  131. dizzy is a buffoon. she erects enough strawmen to field an army propagating her illogical nonsense.

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  132. on July 3, 2008 at 3:35 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @129 m. Bradwell

    Smoke and mirrors, group dynamics psychology, propaganda, mumbo jumbo, false abstractions, red herrings, ad hominim attacks, strawmen attacks, bad or fabricated data.

    And a Detachment from reality [read Delusion] that I proved in one post.

    And a manifest failure of her to reply to any of the charges I have laid at Dizzys feet has shredded her credibility here.

    need I say more?

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  133. 127 Sovereign…

    I was mainly having fun with you. I love to banter. You need to lighten up perhaps? I am not nearly so serious as you imagine. I could post some dirty limericks if you like.

    Actually I was a bit ummmm flattered that you wanted to IM. But I got busy, real busy and I seriously don’t have time for this either.

    I read The Four Agreements 14 times in a row, just so I could learn to not take anything personally. I succeed about 30% of the time.

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  134. on July 3, 2008 at 3:39 am SovereignAmericanMale

    This is found on the “thought experiement” thread
    and contains quotes from Roissy and Dizzys dialog:

    56 SovereignAmericanMale

    @18 dizzy8

    (Roissy) “Dizzy, please be specific when you cite mean. “

    (Dizzy)Ok:

    “If you did a random quote generator from this site, nine times out of ten, it would be some huge generalization about the entire female sex, or some angry, “That woman needs to learn her place,” comment.”

    “If you did a random quote generator from this site…”

    “…from this site…”

    According to the sane, perfectly normal, ideal woman known as Dizzy:
    Anything “from this site” is a specific citation written by Roissy. Outstanding!!! She has LOST IT!!!

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  135. on July 3, 2008 at 3:41 am SovereignAmericanMale

    133 Sara

    Smile… I am having a blast talking with you… even if you are a little bit nuts. But hey, I admitted my lack of sanity years ago.

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  136. on July 3, 2008 at 5:00 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @130 sara

    Your buddist mindtricks wont work on me. You poor child who has have been robbed/defrauded and been spoon fed moral relativism until you “oh nevermind”.

    I can no longer try to discuss things through reason/logic with you. I feel you lost the capabilty to find Real truth when you bought that hog [that says everyone’s truth is equally valid, and there exists no absolutes.]

    We have no common mental currency to trade thoughts by. Have fun in the fun house maze of perpetual redefinition.

    This is not hell. This is not heaven. This is Earth. You get one life. Live it however you desire, accept the consequences.

    on a brighter note… I will respect your dignity as a human, and continue to smile and laugh at your antics Ad Absurdium

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  137. 136 Sovereign

    ” I will respect your dignity as a human, and continue to smile and laugh at your antics Ad Absurdium”

    Don’t do me any favors! On a brighter note I don’t expect even one person to agree with my philosophies, beliefs, or viewpoint on human existence. Not ONE. So I just throw out my thoughts and see what happens. If no one gets me, or thinks I’m nuts, or evil in some way…well, that is okay by me.

    My world view is much, much, more hard won and consciously acquired than you would ever believe. What you find absurd, is on the contrary, leading edge thought…..in my humble opinion of course! Call me arrogant, but there is no crowd on the leading edge of thought and have always been an independent thinker and freedom loving person. Also (not be ad nauseam tiresome) have just completed a major mercury detox, that is having stellar effects on my mental and physical well being. If this is crazy, I’m loving it. If I’m happy and not hurting anyone, what is the harm?

    You talk about REAL truth? You lost me on that one. Your truth is real and absolute? Mine is unreal and bullshit? Ummm. Okay then.

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  138. on July 3, 2008 at 6:04 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @137 Sara

    Hey I am with you on the Mercury Poisoning Epidemic.

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  139. 138 SAM

    Really? Well, that’s a roissy first. This is the cure besides having your mercury fillings removed PROPERLY. I’ve had five done and one small one to go. Was born with a birth defect caused by mercury poisoning, but only found out mid-January. Long story, great suffering…. ALL the drama! Here is the best cure I know. Was using this with the Takara Detox Foot Patches. The others are useless.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/015232.html

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  140. on July 3, 2008 at 7:05 am SovereignAmericanMale

    http://www.magneticclay.com/

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  141. People forget that all “common knowledge” was once uncommon.

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  142. on July 3, 2008 at 7:44 am SovereignAmericanMale

    People are idiots, a minority become educated idiots, and a tiny number are geniuses.

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  143. on July 3, 2008 at 10:23 am johnny five

    ok, a little late to this particular party, and there’s no way i’m reading all those full-page comments. but:

    #8 jay gatsby: Drakkar Noir? Seems to be the rage these days among true players.
    holy shit, they still have that stuff? my big brother splashed that shit on for the junior prom in ’91.

    sara #138:
    i think you just need someone to throw you into a pile of dirt and fuck the mercury out of you, in broad daylight.
    you little divine shameless fuck happy bitch goddess you.

    lastly, what’s with all this happy gastronome bullshit? men should be men, and prefer simple, hearty fare. a few exotic spices and garnishes can be acceptable, but i worry about all you castrati who would actually want to go to the french laundry for the food.

    next thing you know, the guys on here will be arguing about thread counts, day spas, and botox.
    jesus.

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  144. on July 3, 2008 at 12:32 pm Usually Lurking

    It’s OK to go to the French Laundry, once. It is, or would be, an experience. Also, the dude serves donuts.

    Hearty fare is good. Utilizing the Whole Beast is even better.

    Liver, Kidney, Heart, Chitlins, Tripe, Oxtail, Cheeks, Pig’s Feet, etc. You eat the whole thing.

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  145. on July 3, 2008 at 2:20 pm M. Bradwell

    Now you’re playing word games, SAM, she clearly meant postings on the site that he wrote.

    If I wanted to be rude, I could pick on some of your sloppiness wrt word use. But I won’t. Even when I really disagree w/you, I’m a big fan of giving people the benefit of the doubt and trying to figure out what they really mean instead of scoring cheap points. I only go for the cheap shots when the other side does first.

    Go to regender and transform some of roissy’s more aggressive posts. See what you think about the same generalizations being made about men. Frankly, he’s been mellower lately.

    Or go to a thread where he and dizzy argue, and regender both quotes.

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  146. The French Laundry once, to see how good fussily-made French food can be. Bouchon, for the food Keller makes “when [he] want[s] a good [sic] meal after work.” And learn to make hanger steak, loup de mer (sea wolf), raie au beurre noir (stingray in black butter) and lots of other sexy, manly dishes at home for half the price.

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  147. 143 J5

    “next thing you know, the guys on here will be arguing about thread counts, day spas, and botox.”

    SCORE! Castrati? Ouch. LOL

    142 S.A.M

    Regarding your “people are idiots observation”.

    I agree and disagree. More accurately (in my very meek and tiny opinion lol) people are mostly somnambulists. They exercise about as much truly free will in their so-called waking hours as when fully asleep. A person cannot even begin waking up until they know they are asleep. Open eyes means little.

    My entire life has been about waking up and becoming slightly less idiotic in the process. All the great masters and real contributors to the evolution of humanity have been about one thing: Awareness. One of the biggest impediments to awareness is caring how you appear to other people; sometimes known as egoism. One needs a constant alarm clock tied to one’s head to stay awake in this world.

    Look at children. They are so incredibly vibrant and alive. A butterfly, a dead leaf, a slight breeze and they are in ecstasy. Little by little they become conditioned and hypnotized by those around them and the cycle continues generation after generation. My I do go on! * blush *

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  148. on July 3, 2008 at 7:19 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    @147 Sara

    “One needs a constant alarm clock tied to one’s head to stay awake in this world.”

    Don’t you buddists call that crap “mindfulness”?

    ——————————————————————————-
    145 M. Bradwell
    OK I will ask you straight out, and be honest:

    “Does feminism really seek to replace the Patriarchy with a Matriarchy?”

    I have a pile of evidence in Law, Education and other sources showing the lack of genderblindness in the new womens world. Its not about sharing power, its about transferring power.

    I expect you will answer the question with: “No Does Not.

    ——————————————————————————-
    143 johnny five

    “lastly, what’s with all this happy gastronome bullshit?”

    This foodie subthread spawned from my comments to El Guapo in post 63.

    “They fear the kitchen”

    I think men have adapted to cooking for themselves or eating in restaurants. And no longer are shackled to one or two women’s cooking. (Mom and Wife)

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  149. on July 3, 2008 at 7:41 pm M. Bradwell

    I do think that it is easy for people who are committed to an ideology (and who meet a lot of resistance) to start closing their ears to other’s perspectives, and simply focusing on their own. Which might explain why some think feminists want to replace a patriarchy with a matriarchy.

    Also, I don’t dismiss the possiblity that many humans seek power (without knowing it) and so instead of saying—my issues are not being addressed, they should be addressed in addition to other important issues—they devalue the issues that afflict “others’ because they are not visible to them.

    I was an individualist before I was a feminist (because when I was young, I was treated so fairly and my world seemed so fair that I didn’t understand the need for other progress) so a lot of my focus on gender stems from the fact that I finally got slapped down for having some interests/aspirations that many consider male-typical (because as a kid I thought we lived in a meritocracy and I could do what I want). As a result, (and as a result of spending lots of time with men in the military) I became deeply curious about the many different experiences and expectations placed on men that are NOT talked about in the popular culture. That is to say, while certain (usually highly stereotyped) male viewpoints are repeated more than any female viewpoints (i.e., in movies) there are certain male experiences that are completely silenced.

    That, of course, is not a part of my feminism (because feminism is, by definition, about inequalities that face women) but it is a part of my views on individuality, and learning about the way that stereotyped views of women are pushed is what made me more interested in learning about how men are stereotyped, and what unfair expectations are placed on men as a group.

    Do I know it all? Not remotely.

    Do I get frustrated when talking to non-feminists? Absolutely. Because I think there are a lot of people who aren’t willing to take the additional mental step, and flip the positions, and figure out how they’d react to a similar situation.

    The thing I like about some of the PUAs here, and the community in general, is that at its best, it is teaching people how to not sabotage themselves in social situations, which considering the social pressure on men to initiate, is pretty important. What I dislike about some PUAs (cough, roissy) is this idea that if a woman doesn’t play along, she is evil or unworthy. We all get slammed around quite a bit in the dating world, and a lot of rudeness is just defensive behavior, built up to protect ourselves from people who are, in some way, dangerous. Most people are rational actors, and if you approach them that way, you can learn the reasons behind their defensiveness, and decide whether those reasons, in your opinion, make them admirable or not.

    I prefer seeing human interaction as a tricky puzzle, rather than a bloodthirsty competition.

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  150. on July 3, 2008 at 8:19 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    You shock me with a post like that… it seems you are very rational in that post. You answered with truths held in common.

    Yet you seem to not acknowledge that Dizzy has a strawman addiction, and You continue to support her positions as spoken here.

    In your world-view do the ends justify the means? Your above post made me think otherwise, but a single post doesn’t tell me everything.

    Re: 145
    “Now you’re playing word games, SAM, she clearly meant postings on the site that he wrote.”

    Ok, please show me where Roissy’s writings are specifically mentioned in this statement:

    “If you did a random quote generator from this site, nine times out of ten, it would be some huge generalization about the entire female sex, or some angry, “That woman needs to learn her place,” comment.”

    remember Roissy had asked her for Specifics about his own writings… This is the originating context and any answer from her should be addressing this.

    It is needlessly vauge, she could have just as easily said

    If you did a random quote generator from this site, nine times out of ten, He (Roissy) would state some huge generalization about the entire female sex, or some angry, “That woman needs to learn her place,” comment.”

    And don’t give me some jazz about what she says prior to that. Because this statement is not in keeping with those thoughts, or comments.

    Its like she gives him five apples and suddenly adds an orange. Like we can’t tell one from another.

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  151. on July 3, 2008 at 8:43 pm M. Bradwell

    this site = his writings. In context.

    I could come up with some pretty poisonous stuff he’s written, but since you and I are both on this site, why bother. His most recent post is a pretty good example.

    I don’t think dizzy has a strawman addiction, I think I would have noticed it, but I realize their are limitations to my perception. I think she extrapolates from what he writes in a way that is different from what you take from his writing, because he is writing about women, and she is one.

    If I were to write similar things about men, I would get some sort of reaction out of you, probably.

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  152. on July 3, 2008 at 8:45 pm M. Bradwell

    If you were to approach dizzy in the quizzical, polite way you approached me, you might be surprised by what responses you get from her.

    The whole–you seem to be saying X. Am I interpreting you correctly? If so, what makes you think that?

    Which is pretty much what you did with me, although slightly lower on the respect scale.

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  153. on July 3, 2008 at 9:17 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    151 M. Bradwell
    His most recent post is a pretty good example.

    He provokes a lot of thought, and tons of conversation (both are beneficial IMO) even if some of the posts are over the top and maybe fictional. Even so, Jesus and other teachers use parables to teach greater truths, even if the content is plainly fictional. So what?

    If they are not rhetoric, and actual true events, then he is guilty of being a common male. (In the sense, that his penis does 80% of his thinking.) Again, So what?

    Haters love to come here, read and have their delicate sensibilities offended and rejoice saying “See See… them mens are animals”
    Players love to come here, read and tighten their game, saying “Damn he is so on to something”
    Seekers of truth go everywhere and no where, and accept truth when its found. Sometimes discussing it with others
    Saying “is it so?”

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  154. on July 3, 2008 at 10:16 pm M. Bradwell

    The thing is, I think you can point out a lot about human interaction without being disrespectful to an entire gender.

    I have stories I can tell about some of my exes at their less than shining moments, or about guys who tried to pick up on me. But I do not make generalizations about men, or blame them for the bad things some individual men have done to me. All I can control is my own behavior, and what behavior in others I am willing to tolerate.

    And even though, frankly, I have had better reasons for “revenge” than roissy did in his latest provocative little story (god forbid anyone think he was mellowing/developing) I would never take the course he took. If someone behaves badly, you don’t have to put up with it, but that doesn’t mean you should set out to demolish the person. Call them on it, sure. Maybe if enough good people call them on it, they’ll stop.

    My sensibilities are far from delicate. But I do call out disrespect when I see it. And I do call out untruths and overgeneralizations when I see them. That isn’t delicacy. It is aggression. Which is why it is ill-received here.

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  155. on July 3, 2008 at 10:34 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    @154 M. Bradwell
    “It is aggression. Which is why it is ill-received here.”

    As a male, aggression is inherent in my testosterone, I have no issue with others even non-males from displaying it.

    I welcome a challenge or contest. Having said that, I don’t speak on behalf of the other males and “men” who reside here.

    With this Caveat: I have an expectation that statements will be backed up by rational reason and logic rather then “emotionalism” or social programing rhetoric.

    “All I can control is my own behavior, and what behavior in others I am willing to tolerate.”

    well spoken.

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  156. on July 3, 2008 at 10:50 pm M. Bradwell

    What was that saying–a lot of people think they’re thinking when all they’re doing is rearranging their prejudices?

    I think we get eachother. I sure as hell don’t agree with you, but I can talk to you, which in my book is a lot more important.

    Not that I would mind if I could make you a feminist, too.

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  157. on July 4, 2008 at 8:27 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @156 M. Bradwell

    “I think we get eachother.”

    We may be approaching an understanding of each others positions.

    Personally, I don’t think humans ever really understand each other even after 80 years of living together.
    Call it the mystery of real attraction via ignorance.

    “I sure as hell don’t agree with you”

    Agreement? A list should be drawn up of your positions of everything, and I should too. We can find all of our agreements and disagreements.

    “I can talk to you, which in my book is a lot more important.”

    Respectful communication is an essential part of negotiating.

    Perhaps you could win me over to the opposition.
    Whilst you try though, I will challenge your most cherished beliefs. You may hate me more then than ever.

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  158. on July 4, 2008 at 9:22 am johnny five

    m.bradwell: If someone behaves badly, you don’t have to put up with it, but that doesn’t mean you should set out to demolish the person.

    em-brad:
    when you describe passing shit tests, running game, and one-night-standing a woman with full consent and without pretense as “demolishing” her, you accomplish two things:
    (1) you make yourself seem utterly ridiculous and your viewpoints utterly fatuous*
    (2) you insult every woman and man who really has been “demolished” by the opposite sex

    this is the problem with the feminist viewpoint: constant “victim” agitprop that debases the dignity of REAL victims.
    rape; harassment; sexism; “demolish”. all these terms once actually meant something.

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  159. on July 4, 2008 at 9:23 am johnny five

    ^^^ forgot the footnote:

    *don’t forget that you will always be thought of as as ridiculous as the most ridiculous statement you have ever made.

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  160. on June 15, 2009 at 1:15 pm The Masculinization Of The Western White Female « Roissy in DC

    […] I bet if I could feel the cheeks of each woman the cheek of the 2008 composite would have a soft layer of vellous peach fuzz, while the cheek of the 1940s composite would be nearly free of vestigial ape fur. I’d also bet that the 2008 composite is sluttier than the 1940s composite, and more likely to make you eat a dick sandwich. […]

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