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The Man Who Was…. opines:

It is one of the saddest facts of life that you only get to bang hot girls once your ability to appreciate them has decreased.

For health and longevity reasons, I have decided to try and be less cynical about humanity, or at least to welcome a bout of deliberate self-delusion once in a while as a soul restorative. But it’s hard… so very hard. The cold fish of reality never stops slapping one in the face.





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  1. I think this is a big reason why it’s so hard to get away from pedastalizing.

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    • +1, thankfully time ages all pedestals.

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      • Fuck, I can’t believe I wrote that. In a perfect world women wouldn’t age one day past their prime. However, if you want to get over a Pedestal, seeing them 10 years post prime doesn’t hurt.

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  2. The Man Who Was,

    if it’s difficult for you to appreciate girls for their youth and beauty, you can still choose a woman who is also smart and successful (not every smart and hard-working woman is a feminist!) and you can appreciate her for that.

    On the other hand, if you find it impossible to respect attractive women because you have a feeling that they are all sluts you could find a girl who is not only pretty but also chaste and feminine. There’s no need to be so cynical!

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    • on October 18, 2012 at 11:45 am The Man Who Was . . .

      Oh please, it is an even sadder fact that most of what women really bring to the table is their youth and beauty. I’d add feminine charm and the ability to take care of your children, but the latter the appeal of these latter is still still dependant on the former.

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      • “it is an even sadder fact that most of what women really bring to the table is their youth and beauty.”

        What’s so sad about that? Women are here to bear children, so youth and beauty will always be the most important thing that we bring to the table (if we talk about reproduction).

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    • And the hope that somewhere, somehow, a blue pill reality might exists rockets to the surface, much like a child asking “Does this mean you and Dad are getting back together?!” No, youth and beauty are still the only things of any sexual value in women. Minus that, it would make no difference whether the most interesting, smart, or successful person in the world was a man or a woman. Their relationship value would be the same. And lets not kid ourselves, it’s a man.

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    • Stupid ditz. How long have you hung around this site? Still think that what women find attactive in men is what men find attractive in women?

      Tits, or GTFO.

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  3. It’s just that beneficial skill of balancing pessimism and optimism.

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  4. Oh, maybe I did not get this comment … Maybe you thought that it’s difficult to fuck beautiful women when you don’t see them as human beings they are. I think that most women are repulsed by men who pedestalize them for their youthful beauty (because this objectively is pretty retarded) but when you see them as normal human beings they also start to think you are a normal man (not some deluded teenager) and therefore much more attractive. But that’s not a bad thing and definitely not the saddest fact of life … so maybe I’m still not getting it.

    [heartiste: you’re back in troll mode. the world is right again.]

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    • Rape!

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    • So you are repulsed by men who pedalize women for their beauty. Then I should get equally repulsed by women who pedalize men for their wallet.

      But guess what…it’ll never change.

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      • Hey guys, go easy on Maya. The cognitive dissonance that comes with being a prudish virgin, a rape victim, a man hater, a nice girl looking for love, and a skillful troll takes a HUGE toll on the psyche.

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      • a prudish virgin, a rape victim, a man hater, a nice girl looking for love, and a skillful troll

        and that’s on a good day.

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      • Yes, I am repulsed by men who pedestalize young, beautiful girls. One reason for that is that I am not a young girl so I’m trying to avoid these men (they don’t give a shit about me anyway) and the other reason is that I believe pedestalizing youth and beauty is very retarded – youth only lasts for a very short time. What are you going to do when the beauty fades? Dump your girlfriend and find a new one? Get depressed? I don’t want to have men like that in my life.

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      • Maya,
        Most of the world doesn’t care about you. So what? You only get one life, it’s on you to try and enjoy it.

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      • I don’t know…what does a woman do when a man loses his primary source of income.

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      • on October 19, 2012 at 1:30 am gunslingergregi

        usually leaves so what you do is before you get serious you do lose your income to test her out and see what she does

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      • If you’re implying she’ll leave him, then I believe she won’t if she truly loves him. The problem is some women don’t know the meaning of loyalty these days. But hey, men leave women too if they lose their beauty. You can argue he lost his compassion and love for her once she let her looks go, which is fine. Marriage is not unconditional love. Unconditional love is a stupid concept that liberals conveniently borrow from Christianity to remove judgment from marriage and various other social interactions. If you don’t treat your spouse right he/she will leave. No unconditional love concept is going to keep him/her trapped in the marriage. Of course, sometimes people stay in such marriages because they have children and they don’t want to break up for the sake of their children (which is quite commendable), but that only turns into a loveless marriage where they live separate lives. One mustn’t be physically cheating to be cheating. Just having a side life, away from your spouse, is a form of cheating because you are emotionally not focused on the marriage. That only spells disaster in the end. Togetherness keeps marriages strong.

        Unconditional love doesn’t exist. Either you each stick to your side of the bargain (the deal you agreed to before you got married) or the marriage will end.

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      • “Just having a side life, away from your spouse, is a form of cheating because you are emotionally not focused on the marriage.”

        Are you married? If not, have you ever been married?

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      • ” Just having a side life, away from your spouse, is a form of cheating because you are emotionally not focused on the marriage.”

        So if I hang out with the fellas for golf or poker or I enjoy working out by myself…I’m cheating on my spouse. Got it.

        Girls night out are over…that’s cheating.

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      • It already is a loveless marriage, and the only way they can stand staying married, is to spend as little time with each other as possible.

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      • taterearl,

        No, LOL! That’s not want I meant. What I meant is a couple that leads separate lives. For instance, they take separate vacations etc……..You just grow apart that way. You become roommates as opposed to lovers. How many couples live like that? lots and lots.

        And regarding Girls night out, once in a while is OK. But more than once or twice a year is ridiculous. What do you think they do when out? They get drunk and lament their single years while looking at the hot guy who winks at them. It just gives women some bad ideas. But let’s face it: A woman happy in her marriage and in love with her man, doesn’t long to go out with the girls and reenact her bachelorette years while listening to her friends badmouth and trash their own men.

        In addition, let’s say you are happy with your man, don’t ever let other women know that. Women are jealous of a woman who is sexually and emotionally satisfied with her man. Other women start to work subconsciously against the guy, pointing out his shortcomings to her. It’s awful what women are capable of. Did I mention women are the most jealous and catty creatures on earth?

        Therefore, I keep my girlfriends at arm’s length. I know all their secrets about their men and they know nothing about mine, except some superficial stuff. My relationship is between him and me alone.

        Another thing that’s not the norm with me is that I never reveal someone else’s secrets. That’s why I end up knowing everyone’s secrets. My friends know that if they tell me something, it will not be revealed to others. I guess I am a bit different from most women out there who love to gossip about other women, even making their own girlfriends look bad sometimes.

        But I’m less against it for men. I think men can benefit more from times with the guys, than girls benefit from times with the girls. Of course, as long as men don’t overdo it. If you’re going out with the guys once or more a week that is way too much, and might indicate you don’t really enjoy your girl that much and rather be elsewhere. Playing golf or working out doesn’t count though. Do that as much as you want. I am speaking about night outs with the guys. If you’re married I think it’s inappropriate to overdo that.

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      • “and the other reason is that I believe pedestalizing youth and beauty is very retarded – youth only lasts for a very short time. What are you going to do when the beauty fades?”

        By then you would have already pair-bonded with her and so provided she doesn’t fundamentally breach that pairbond (i.e. cheating) then you would stay with her on the basis of that existing pairbond.

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      • Deti once said it best. Give a men your best years (when your young and fertile) and he will always remember you as that young beautiful woman as you age together while he is giving you the BEST of his years down the road (older, wiser, more productive, more alpha, bonded).

        Feminist fucktards taught you to fritter away your best years chasing hawt badboys who would use your pussy without a care in the world, and then you’d ask some guy to ‘put a ring on it’ once you’re in the twilight of your beauty, declining fertility and explicitly acknowledging that the chump you’re with was your last chance/last choice after all the alphas left you high and dry.

        Reap what ya sow darlin.

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      • Wisest words on this thread so far. Love it cause that’s exactly how it is. Feminists destroyed meaningful relationships between the sexes. Now all we have is unsatisfied hos searching for the unattainable, and mocking pessimistic men refusing to play ball. Not many happy marriages.

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      • Wisest words on this thread so far. Love it cause that’s exactly how it is. Feminists destroyed meaningful relationships between the sexes. Now all we have is unsatisfied hos searching for the unattainable, and mocking pessimistic men refusing to play ball. Not many happy relationships.

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      • Tater… didja notice she didn’t answer your question?

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      • That’s right, it’ll never change and the faster women accept that men are interested in their beauty above all else, and the faster men accept that women are attracted to men that exude authority and success, the less the accusations and hard feelings between the sexes. People should accept reality about the differences between the sexes, learn to have fun, and not judge each other too harshly for these differences that are the result of nature not nurture.

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      • Thanks goodness someone finally gets it. So don’t get overweight, have your body turn into an art canvas (tattoos), keep yourself pure, and don’t embark on stuff that ages you faster.

        I’ll keep trying to make as much money and be as powerful as I can.

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  5. on October 18, 2012 at 11:46 am The Man Who Was . . .

    Yes, sad how in some ways that sex deprived beta probably gets more out of looking at a hot girl than the guy who is banging her.

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  6. What? Why? Because I used the word ‘fuck’? You’re vocabulary is much worse btw.

    [heartiste: *facepalm*]

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  7. Maya is the embodiment of the cold fish in that pic.

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  8. Can we have an honest discussion about whether the aloofness proposed by many articles here forecloses the possibility of real love? Isn’t a certain amount of vulnerability necessary? I know the v-word will probably have a hundred automatons call me a beta fag etc etc, but I ask anyway.

    [heartiste: close first, appreciate later.]

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    • When I was younger (under 24) I would prefer sleeping with someone who shows no signs of vulnerability because I had the confidence that my youth and beauty alone are going to make him very vulnerable later (even when he is not showing it right now). At my age I would never sleep with someone who is not at least a little vulnerable. I would have to be almost sure that he is in love with me. I prefer beta guys. Sadly, most men can’t fall in love with anyone unless you are 8, 9 or 10. If you are not, he can’t be in love with you and you always risk that he will find someone younger and prettier when you get old.

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      • I prefer beta guys.

        hamster translation: i’ve got no choice but to settle for beta guys.

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      • People say that five minutes of alpha is better than five years of beta, but I don’t agree with that anymore. I’m looking for a relationship, for someone I will love and who will also love me back. When I was younger I used to believe that I can only fall in love with an alpha man but now I’m more mature and I see that I was wrong. And I don’t think this is settling. Nobody is perfect, so I guess you too will have to settle. Or are you only going to fuck teenage models for your whole life?

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      • Or are you only going to fuck teenage models for your whole life?

        sadly, at some point i will have to settle for fucking models over 20.

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      • “When I was younger I used to believe that I can only fall in love with an alpha man but now I’m more mature and I see that I was wrong.”

        I don’t believe this is the case. When you were younger, you didn’t know what the hell you wanted. You were told by horrid feminists that you want an egalitarian relationship, and that’s probably who you met. You met men who were way too much beta than Alpha, who just like you were also brainwashed by feminists – they didn’t want to upset or offend you with any innate male dominance or leadership qualities. That’s why you don’t have your dream relationship yet. Now that you are more self-aware of your feminine needs, you long to find it, but the men on this thread keep making you feel inadequate and unworthy to be with an Alpha. That’s why you are now thinking you want a beta. But we know you won’t marry a beta. You’ll try dating beta men again like you did when you were younger and still not find your desires met. Don’t kid yourself.

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      • I thought you only wanted dominant alpha men? You need to keep track of your trolling and sockpuppetry, I think you’re spreading yourself too thin. I’m worried about you hon 😦

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      • Hi 🙂 I changed my mind recently. I said in the comment above that when I was younger I thought that alphas are much more attractive but now I’m almost thirty so I changed my mind about that.

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      • So you’re looking for a beta now, or are you just going to stay alone? Because if you’re even halfway cute and pleasant, it should not be that hard to find a beta who will fall in love with you and stay loyal as long as you don’t get fat or cheat.

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      • I’m looking for a beta, definitely. I’m not going to stay alone, I hope!

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      • Maya-

        “I’m looking for a beta, definitely. I’m not going to stay alone, I hope!”

        Settling? You can’t be admitting that Heartiste is right?

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      • Manlyman,

        I don’t know. I think me and CH have different definitions of ‘settling’. He was right about women changing their preferences when we become more mature …

        [heartiste: i don’t think women change their preferences as they get older so much as they realize the futility of holding to the preferences they had when they were younger, hotter, tighter.]

        but I am still against marrying someone you don’t love.

        [romantic love follows from lust. not the other way around.]

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      • [heartiste: i don’t think women change their preferences as they get older so much as they realize the futility of holding to the preferences they had when they were younger, hotter, tighter.]

        Well, I don’t know. Although I’m still attracted to hot alpha guys I think they are somehow too childish for me. They have so many options, so much time. They seriously don’t seem too interesting to me.

        [romantic love follows from lust. not the other way around.]

        What do you mean? I agree with what you said.

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      • @H

        Are you going to write more poems?

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      • Oh, sorry CH for the stupid comment above (not this one about poetry), I didn’t notice that you just wanted to say I was wrong about how you explain the change in women’s behavior when we get older … I already forgot what I was writing about in the previous post 😀 No wonder you think I’m a troll. Sorry.

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      • [romantic love follows from lust. not the other way around.]

        What he means by this is that guys don’t fall in love with women they don’t want to fuck.

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      • You’re clueless about your own ignorance, dried-up-old hag!

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      • Dude, meet Maya. Maya, meet Dude. I think you two are gonna hit it off great. 😉

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      • Last year you were almost 25.
        Now you’re almost 30?

        GTFO troll.

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      • If women were really settling, we wouldn’t have had so many unmarried older woman in our society. Especially women in NYC, LA, and other major cities, these women aren’t settling. They would like to think they will, but in earnest they don’t. If they settled, many of our social issues problems would have been improved. Oh God, let them settle.

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      • She doesn’t sound like troll. She sounds like a confused woman who has been brainwashed by most of you that she is unworthy for an Alpha male because she is not young enough or pretty enough.

        She really needs to exercise some common sense and not fall prey to every opinion. Many women lack emotional maturity and mental strength. I do too at times, but as soon as I feel myself getting irrational, I start to self-correct. Otherwise, we women can fall victims to louts, users, and all-around bad boys.

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      • Wall, meet Maya. Maya, meet wall.

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      • Maya, you’re confusing me. First, are you a virgin, or not? In one post, I hear of you being a 30-year old virgin, and in another you say “When I was younger (under 24) I would prefer sleeping with someone who shows no signs of vulnerability….” So which is it? Not that it makes any difference; I just want to know where you are coming from.

        Second, you need some common sense injected into your head, dear.

        1) “When I was younger (under 24) I would prefer sleeping with someone who shows no signs of vulnerability because I had the confidence that my youth and beauty alone are going to make him very vulnerable later (even when he is not showing it right now). “

        1. Mistake #1: You’re equating vulnerability (in men) with love. Who said that only when a man is vulnerable he falls in love? What crap? Vulnerability denotes weakness, defenselessness, and helplessness. Show me a man who was those things and had women falling all over him? Only unrealistic stupid feminists tell their even stupider followers that vulnerability in men is desirable. In practice, they dump such men.

        On the other hand, vulnerability in a woman is a very attractive trait. Men love women that want them, need their guidance, and don’t feel foolish asking for their help or even protection. Men value open and unguarded/defenses-down/shields-down women. It means such a woman is trusting and receptive to him – she needs him – and he feels protective towards her. And, I have yet to see a man leaving a woman who TRULY needs him. In fact, being vulnerable to him and having her defenses down, is the very thing that makes him fall for her. Eventually, one day, she will begin to see faint signs of vulnerability in him too, but his vulnerability will always be minor compared to hers. It’s her comfort zone, knowing his true feelings for her, but nothing to use as leverage in the relationship since his is much milder than hers. It’s just enough to give her the sense that he needs her too.

        2. Mistake #2: Since when are youth and beauty alone going to make him vulnerable to you (love you)? He might want to sleep with you, but youth and beauty will not necessarily make him fall in love you. If you are an idiot, annoying, ungrateful, inconsiderate, unkind bitch, you’re not going to keep him, no matter if you are a 10. I don’t care what the men here say, he will lose his interest in you fast. The sex will fade after a while, and he will not stay with you. A man won’t have a prolonged sexual relationship with a woman he can’t stand. As soon as the novelty wears off, he’ll find another woman, and when the novelty wears off with her he’ll move on yet again. It takes a lot more than good looks to keep a man. A little bit of consideration, kindness, compassion, no judging him too harshly, and respecting him on top of looking good is going to go a long way in making him stick around.

        2) “At my age I would never sleep with someone who is not at least a little vulnerable. I would have to be almost sure that he is in love with me. “

        Like I said above, vulnerability in men is not indicative of love. it means he is needy. What woman wants a needy man? The only neediness she wants in him is his strong need to have her sexually. Nevertheless, I do agree with you that a woman should not have sex with a man unless he was in love with her. Unfortunately, nowadays, courtesy of feminism, it’s very hard to find men who want to stick around without sex, unless she was very beautiful, young, a virgin, vulnerable and has the kindness traits that promote his strength and protectiveness, and even then it’s not easy.

        If you are looking for something lasting, don’t date men who only want sex, as opposed to marriage, like many of the men that post here. Some men don’t tell you this till after you slept with them because they want to hook you and keep you having sex without a commitment. Don’t do it until you know what he’s all about. Once you determine the mindset, maybe you can play a little game. Allow certain sexual activity, but don’t go all the way for a while. Leave a threshold that you’re not ready to cross unless you are sure he thinks you have more to offer than sex alone.

        I know the thinking here is that an Alpha male doesn’t do that. He pumps and he drops, bangs and leaves, catches and releases. FINE! Let him walk away if all he wants is sex. But, I guarantee, if he thinks you are a woman of potential, he will not walk away so fast. He might stick around if he enjoys your company and allow the relationship to grow and for love to develop.

        3) “I prefer beta guys. Sadly, most men can’t fall in love with anyone unless you are 8, 9 or 10. If you are not, he can’t be in love with you and you always risk that he will find someone younger and prettier when you get old.”

        No, you don’t prefer beta. You’ll tire of them eventually. What you want is an Alpha with some beta qualities mixed in at the right amounts. A masculine man who likes dominating and controlling the relationship, but also likes quality in his woman – appreciates a woman of good character as well as beauty, and doesn’t run after useless hos like an adolescent boy. Additionally, no matter his complains of how “bad” marriage is for men nowadays, the idea is not foreign to him, and he understands that having sex with a multitude of women is not going to keep him happy eventually. He knows it’s an empty existence.

        Now, we are finally getting to the gist of it. You said that you have to be between 8-10 for a man to fall in love with you, and even then, you risk him leaving you for someone younger and prettier when you get old. In case you didn’t get that yet, the men on this site give you this impression, because it’s what they do to make themselves feel better about a myriad of reasons, which are too numerous to count in this comment. But I’m sure you are getting at what I mean. Therefore, don’t take everything they say here as the absolute gospel truth. Exercise some common sense.

        It’s a fact beauty in women is important above all else, but like I said, even then it aint everything. If you don’t have decent feminine qualities on top of looks, you’re not going to keep him coming back to you, even if you are a 10. So unless you are very unattractive or fat, with the right mindset and qualities you can still have someone good in your life, except he ain’t going to be someone like Mystery. He is going to be a mix between Alpha and beta. In addition, if you keep yourself looking good, have a good marriage where there is lots of sex and emotional closeness, and have his children, most regular guys don’t leave women like this, because good men appreciate loyalty in women. So all this cynicism and pessimism you have about what it take to attract a man and keep him, is not accurate. It’s based on what a few guys have been pumping into your head. Reality is more a mix between what is said here about relationships, and what happens in the wild. There is still much room between the two, and nothing is absolute.

        Anyway, I wish you luck finding true love with someone worthy to share your life with.

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      • NiteLily,

        thanks for this post. I will skip your first question but the reason I write confusing comments is frequently just my bad English.

        “Mistake #1: You’re equating vulnerability (in men) with love. Who said that only when a man is vulnerable he falls in love? What crap? Vulnerability denotes weakness, defenselessness, and helplessness.”

        The authors and commenters on this blog often say that “betas” who are weaker and more needy are also more emotional, committed and loyal. I thought that needy, weak men have little options with women, are less picky and fall in love more easily?

        “Eventually, one day, she will begin to see faint signs of vulnerability in him too, but his vulnerability will always be minor compared to hers. It’s her comfort zone, knowing his true feelings for her, but nothing to use as leverage in the relationship since his is much milder than hers. It’s just enough to give her the sense that he needs her too.”

        Depends. Maybe this is true if you are in a relationship with a masculine, dominant man. There are many men who show vulnerability from the moment you meet them.

        “Since when are youth and beauty alone going to make him vulnerable to you (love you)? He might want to sleep with you, but youth and beauty will not necessarily make him fall in love you. If you are an idiot, annoying, ungrateful, inconsiderate, unkind bitch, you’re not going to keep him, no matter if you are a 10.”

        Most women are kind, feminine and compassionate (although this might be much different in US!) so the only thing that will make you stand out from the others is your youth and beauty. I believe that pretty, young face (on a feminine woman, of course, but as I said, almost all women are feminine) makes a man fall in love with a woman.

        “Like I said above, vulnerability in men is not indicative of love. it means he is needy.”

        I don’t know. I really believe that needy men fall in love more easily. I might be wrong about that.

        “No, you don’t prefer beta. You’ll tire of them eventually. What you want is an Alpha with some beta qualities mixed in at the right amounts.”

        Alpha men have no interest in me. They treat me well, but they have no interest in me besides friendship.

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      • “The authors and commenters on this blog often say that “betas” who are weaker and more needy are also more emotional, committed and loyal. I thought that needy, weak men have little options with women, are less picky and fall in love more easily?”

        Possibly!(?)

        BUT, ask yourself, do you merely want a man to fall in love with you, or do you want mutual feelings, albeit expressed differently towards each other since men have a different way of showing love than women.

        What I mean, so let’s say he falls in love with you, assisted by his beta qualities, the question is, can you sustain a love for him in spite of his beta qualities? If your relationship ends in divorce, what’s the use? You’ll be older, with a couple of kids that will grow up in a one-parent household and they might have many emotional issues, as I think divorce really affects kids negatively and messes them up. I know many people commenting here are the product of divorce, so I don’t want to offend anyone, but these are just the statistics. Kids who grow up in a 2-parent household where the parents are married to each other do much better as adults. Hence, why make such a mess of your life and your kids life? Honestly, I don’t see a way out for you.

        However, If you are going to settle for a beta, and I think you should, you have to be mentally prepared for it so that when you find yourself unhappy, remind yourself that you knew this would happen and that you exchanged spinsterhood and loneliness for a mediocre marriage. Unfortunately, I see woman in such a situation cheating emotionally on their men. They read books like 50 shades because they can’t find rest for their souls. They need fantasies about being with a powerful strong man who is stronger physically, mentally, and emotional. The thought of such a man interested in them, even only in their dreams, sends them on emotional ecstasy. It’s this emotional ecstasy, which is the prelude to a great orgasm in a woman. Unfortunately, these woman married to their unexciting men, never go beyond that stage and the ecstasy stays in their minds. Their husbands can’t provide the physical culmination for their women mental ecstasy without the women dreaming about this other fantasy man. What a lonely existence for both the women and the men.

        A woman’s souls is very much connected to her emotional needs, and if she isn’t getting her needs met she feels dead inside, that’s why she starts searching for what she is missing. That’s why sex is a spiritual thing for women, as opposed to it being more physical thing for men. A man that knows how to provide that feeling for a woman doesn’t get cheated on physically or emotionally.

        “There are many men who show vulnerability from the moment you meet them. “

        Yeah, but that’s not the kind of vulnerability I am talking about. Such vulnerability in men is not that attractive. It just means he was trained by liberal/feminist thinking, and he is not living up to his true masculine innate nature. I believe all men are born more dominant than females, but in today’s society, they have been conditioned by feminists to behave and think more like women. So there is a line of demarcation between how men are innately, and how they have been conditioned by modern culture to become feminized.

        “Most women are kind, feminine and compassionate (although this might be much different in US!) so the only thing that will make you stand out from the others is your youth and beauty. I believe that pretty, young face (on a feminine woman, of course, but as I said, almost all women are feminine) makes a man fall in love with a woman.”

        I totally disagree with you on this one. Most women are not kind or feminine. In fact, the opposite is true, and with regard to compassion, they often feel compassion for those that know how to appeal to their emotions, or don’t deserve it at all. So often, they have compassion for the wrong people, and not enough for their own husbands. They have been taught by feminists to be bitches and it’s a shame.

        In addition, Beauty will definitely make you stand out initially when you’re attracting that man, but it will not keep him around if you are a major ho, inconsiderate, ungrateful, annoying bitch.

        “I don’t know. I really believe that needy men fall in love more easily. I might be wrong about that.”

        And they get on your nerves more easily, so what have you accomplished? Nothing. Either way you’ll remain unhappy. It’s not a good existence.

        “Alpha men have no interest in me. They treat me well, but they have no interest in me besides friendship.”

        Have you met any? Alpha men don’t have female friends. They don’t need women friends. What do they need from a woman that they can’t get from their male buddies? Nothing, Just sex.

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      • NiteLily,

        “BUT, ask yourself, do you merely want a man to fall in love with you, or do you want mutual feelings, albeit expressed differently towards each other since men have a different way of showing love than women.”

        I want mutual feelings, of course. Are you saying that less desirable men are unlovable/unfuckable?

        “What I mean, so let’s say he falls in love with you, assisted by his beta qualities, the question is, can you sustain a love for him in spite of his beta qualities?”

        Yes! Love is forever!

        “If your relationship ends in divorce, what’s the use? You’ll be older, with a couple of kids that will grow up in a one-parent household and they might have many emotional issues …”

        I don’t believe in divorce. Once you have kids you MUST do everything to be a good parent and I’m convinced that divorce is very bad for children.

        “However, If you are going to settle for a beta, and I think you should, you have to be mentally prepared for it so that when you find yourself unhappy, remind yourself that you knew this would happen and that you exchanged spinsterhood and loneliness for a mediocre marriage.”

        I agree with you. Mediocre marriage is better than loneliness.

        “Unfortunately, I see woman in such a situation cheating emotionally on their men. They read books like 50 shades because they can’t find rest for their souls.”

        Yup. I also see women doing this. But most men are watching porn, too. I wouldn’t cheat on my husband emotionally, that’s a terrible thing to do. I actually avoid all porn (except this blog).

        “Their husbands can’t provide the physical culmination for their women mental ecstasy without the women dreaming about this other fantasy man. What a lonely existence for both the women and the men.”

        I don’t agree. It’s still better than being alone.

        “I totally disagree with you on this one. Most women are not kind or feminine.”

        I’m not from US and I agree that most American women are not attractive or feminine. However, where I live, women are – despite feminism – still relatively feminine.

        “And they get on your nerves more easily, so what have you accomplished? Nothing. Either way you’ll remain unhappy. It’s not a good existence.”

        I’m far from perfect myself so I’d be actually quite happy to have someone imperfect in my life. Hope you’re not claiming that beta guys are unlovable? I wouldn’t agree with that. I am low SMV myself (older, average looks, dirty secrets from my past and several other reasons) and I’d definitely prefer to have a boyfriend of similar SMV – and these men always fall into ‘beta’ category.

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    • I’m pretty sure you can search for ‘beta vulnerability game’ in the archives.

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  9. “Success is counted sweetest/
    by those who ne’er succeed.”
    —Emily Dickinson

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  10. Happiness is equal parts knowing reality and embracing self-delusion.

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  11. on October 18, 2012 at 12:29 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    I have long wondered why pedestalization seems to create such better poetry than game. I think it relates to the phenomenon of the sublime. (Go to Edmund Burke for the classic elucidation.) Now the primary appeal of the woman is the beautiful, which is different from the sublime. She is small, soft, full of graceful curves. Like all things beautiful, she inspires love. It would seem that her appeal would be the opposite of the harder, rougher, more masculine sublime. However, this overlooks one crucial aspect of the the sublime: the unknown, the unpredictable, the obscure. These are things women have traditionally had in measure. And they made up a great part of her appeal. Such qualities lure you in with their mystery. Human beings can’t get enough of unpredictable awards and the sublime is nothing if not unpredictable, indeed near utterly inscrutable. It is how casinos lure in gamblers. We love to chase that next reward, just beyond our reach. And thus to lay bare women’s souls, to make them known, predictable, controllable is to take away a large part of their poetry. We can no longer hold them in awe.

    Don’t get me wrong, once you really know about women, they can still be beautiful, with all the appeals that lie in that. But they are no longer sublime. And it is in the unpredictable, uncontrollable, mysterious sublime that the highest poetry lies. Hence, the much better love poetry of beta males like Dante Alighieri, whose entire life’s work is predicated on the the most epic case of oneitis the world has ever known, or even Coleridge, than that of alpha males like Lord Byron. Dante wrote what is perhaps the greatest single poem in the Western world for an perfectly ordinary girl with whom he only exchanged a few words his whole life. I sometimes indulge the thought that for the good of his soul, he should have just banged the bitch and gotten it over with. But then we might not have the poem.

    On the whole, I don’t regret my knowledge of game. There really is nothing like actually pillaging the body of a beautiful woman. But it is certainly not without its losses, nor its melancholy regrets.

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    • So willful ignorance is the source of poetry? That seems faulty.

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      • on October 18, 2012 at 1:51 pm The Man Who Was . . .

        Yes, ignorance is the source of wonder, and wonder is the source of poetry.

        Things like game (and science) which dispel ignorance are largely the enemies of poetry, which is one of the reasons people so often oppose them. This doesn’t necessarily mean we would want to go back, but our disenchanted world is in many ways a paler, poorer thing for our having bitten the apple.

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      • on October 18, 2012 at 2:29 pm The Man Who Was . . .

        The one area of literature where a disenchanting, rationalist bent is useful is in satire. And our host here is a very great satirist.

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      • “God is myth Nietzsche taught. Myths are made by poets. This is just what Plato says in the Republic, and for him it is equivalent to a declaration of war between philosophy and poetry.”

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    • Women are beautiful…but that beauty doesn’t equate character, loyalty, or morality.

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      • Exactly! But it’s always in the fairy tales … Those who are good are also pretty and those who are bad are usually ugly …

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      • Last time i checked, my car doesn’t turn into a pumpkin after midnight.

        Perhaps you should try and join us in reality?

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      • She ain’t pretty she just looks that way.

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      • I think women had a lot more of it when they weren’t controlling sex and marriage. Now it’s like everyone is out for themselves, whatever they can get from each other. No kindness, no compassion, no loyalty, and no love. Sad state of affairs. Men can’t trust women that can’t show vulnerability. Contrary to what Maya thinks, vulnerability in a woman is a female trait that helps men fall in love.

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    • on October 18, 2012 at 1:54 pm The Man Who Was . . .

      Mark Twain, from Life on the Mississippi, on his life as a riverboat captain:

      ” . . . The face of the water, in time, became a wonderful book — a book that was a dead language to the uneducated passenger, but which told its mind to me without reserve, delivering its most cherished secrets as clearly as if it uttered them with a voice. And it was not a book to be read once and thrown aside, for it had a new story to tell every day. Throughout the long twelve hundred miles there was never a page that was void of interest, never one that you could leave unread without loss, never one that you would want to skip, thinking you could find higher enjoyment in some other thing. There never was so wonderful a book written by man; never one whose interest was so absorbing, so unflagging, so sparkingly renewed with every re-perusal. The passenger who could not read it was charmed with a peculiar sort of faint dimple on its surface (on the rare occasions when he did not overlook it altogether); but to the pilot that was an ITALICIZED passage; indeed, it was more than that, it was a legend of the largest capitals, with a string of shouting exclamation points at the end of it; for it meant that a wreck or a rock was buried there that could tear the life out of the strongest vessel that ever floated. It is the faintest and simplest expression the water ever makes, and the most hideous to a pilot’s eye. In truth, the passenger who could not read this book saw nothing but all manner of pretty pictures in it painted by the sun and shaded by the clouds, whereas to the trained eye these were not pictures at all, but the grimmest and most dead-earnest of reading-matter.

      Now when I had mastered the language of this water and had come to know every trifling feature that bordered the great river as familiarly as I knew the letters of the alphabet, I had made a valuable acquisition. But I had lost something, too. I had lost something which could never be restored to me while I lived. All the grace, the beauty, the poetry had gone out of the majestic river! I still keep in mind a certain wonderful sunset which I witnessed when steamboating was new to me. A broad expanse of the river was turned to blood; in the middle distance the red hue brightened into gold, through which a solitary log came floating, black and conspicuous; in one place a long, slanting mark lay sparkling upon the water; in another the surface was broken by boiling, tumbling rings, that were as many-tinted as an opal; where the ruddy flush was faintest, was a smooth spot that was covered with graceful circles and radiating lines, ever so delicately traced; the shore on our left was densely wooded, and the somber shadow that fell from this forest was broken in one place by a long, ruffled trail that shone like silver; and high above the forest wall a clean-stemmed dead tree waved a single leafy bough that glowed like a flame in the unobstructed splendor that was flowing from the sun. There were graceful curves, reflected images, woody heights, soft distances; and over the whole scene, far and near, the dissolving lights drifted steadily, enriching it, every passing moment, with new marvels of coloring.

      I stood like one bewitched. I drank it in, in a speechless rapture. The world was new to me, and I had never seen anything like this at home. But as I have said, a day came when I began to cease from noting the glories and the charms which the moon and the sun and the twilight wrought upon the river’s face; another day came when I ceased altogether to note them. Then, if that sunset scene had been repeated, I should have looked upon it without rapture, and should have commented upon it, inwardly, after this fashion: This sun means that we are going to have wind to-morrow; that floating log means that the river is rising, small thanks to it; that slanting mark on the water refers to a bluff reef which is going to kill somebody’s steamboat one of these nights, if it keeps on stretching out like that; those tumbling ‘boils’ show a dissolving bar and a changing channel there; the lines and circles in the slick water over yonder are a warning that that troublesome place is shoaling up dangerously; that silver streak in the shadow of the forest is the ‘break’ from a new snag, and he has located himself in the very best place he could have found to fish for steamboats; that tall dead tree, with a single living branch, is not going to last long, and then how is a body ever going to get through this blind place at night without the friendly old landmark.

      No, the romance and the beauty were all gone from the river. All the value any feature of it had for me now was the amount of usefulness it could furnish toward compassing the safe piloting of a steamboat. Since those days, I have pitied doctors from my heart. What does the lovely flush in a beauty’s cheek mean to a doctor but a ‘break’ that ripples above some deadly disease. Are not all her visible charms sown thick with what are to him the signs and symbols of hidden decay? Does he ever see her beauty at all, or doesn’t he simply view her professionally, and comment upon her unwholesome condition all to himself? And doesn’t he sometimes wonder whether he has gained most or lost most by learning his trade?”

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    • on October 18, 2012 at 2:01 pm The Man Who Was . . .

      Here is an excerpt from a letter I sent someone a while back:

      “One of the more depressing things I’ve noticed is that game and the modern dating scene . . ., just kills the romance. I have trouble thinking of the women I date anymore as anything more than, pardon my language, a fuckhole, a baby machine, and a little mule to do stuff for me. Where is the love? Sometimes I feel like an animal trainer. And, guess what? Things are going way better than when I thought and acted otherwise. It isn’t necessary to inflict any actual cruelty on women or bear them any real ill will, but if you want have any success with them these days, it really does seem best not to think of them as human. This makes me sad. Dating and marriage really do seem to have degenerated into a Hobbesian war of all against all.”

      Again, I want to emphasize that I am far from anti-game.

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      • You and I have been through this before. I, having Platonic sympathies, disagree with your understanding of beauty. Still, I can’t but help feel that there has been some sort of spiritual decline in you which mars your appreciation of it. “Desoulment” ,as GBFM says, is probably a more appropriate term. Roosh, in his post on The Perfect Woman, writes about it well:

        Instead I went down this rabbit hole… deeper and deeper… and darker. I see less than I used to.[ED] Too much experience, too used to easy attention and cheap thrills. You can’t undo your experiences, especially when there is just too many of them, their naked bodies, their smell on your fingers as you drive home racking up another score… your fantasies of their moans and kisses as you smile yourself to sleep. The way they laugh at jokes you’ve said a hundred times before.

        It gets worse every year, the happy relationship with my “perfect” girl just gets farther as I become more incapable, as I become “better” at getting sex that has meaning but really doesn’t. I don’t even notice differences in girls anymore. But I can’t stop. I notice most other guys can. Am I… a validation junkie? An attention whore? Like the girls I criticize?

        When that girl dumped me I cried. I went to her place to get my stuff, hoping I could keep it going. But it was done. I left and parked in a gas station and sat there and cried like a little baby. If that happened today, I wouldn’t even give a shit, and I think that’s my problem. I’m a machine with flesh, no empathy or love… another night, another performance.

        “Romance” today is biological. Man needs fuck, woman wants provider, both are moved by their biological imperatives. No one really gives a shit about each other unless they bring some “hedonic” goods to the table. This, I see, is Houellebecq’s criticism of modern “love”. It’s not really love but mutual need satisfaction. When a woman becomes a fuckhole you can be pretty sure that you’ve lost the capacity to love. Maybe that’s the poison in fornication–the flesh is satisfied but the soul is killed a little bit with each bang.

        It isn’t necessary to inflict any actual cruelty on women or bear them any real ill will, but if you want have any success with them these days, it really does seem best not to think of them as human.

        That’s the problem in a nutshell. Many women (and men)today aren’t really human. For all their talk about romance, many of them are nothing more than passive objects driven by their physical desires. Once you understand their desires and can satisfy them, they behave just like trained monkeys. It’s not their predictability which makes them unattractive rather it’s their lack of moral or intellectual agency which dehumanises them. As I have said before, strip sexuality away from many women and many have nothing else to offer. No femininity, no grace, no charm, no dignity. Amoral ruthlessness. That’s where the ugliness lays. It the soul laid bare which repels. It’s the fact that there are so many women like this that it gives the appearance of predictability.

        All women respond to game, but it’s the (moral/psychological/intellectually) worst ones, the ones who have least control over themselves, are the ones who respond the best. The less she has mastered herself the more she is in the grip of the master. A good woman will respond positively to a man with game but she will control her response so that she acts in her own self-interest or with some degree of dignity.

        The real beauty is in the woman woman who is predictably good across all parameters of femininity. The woman who responds to game but does not cheat on her husband. The woman who wants to eat but does not herself get fat. They’re the prize catches. Good in body, good in soul.

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      • That’s exactly what I told Maya. A man will eventually realize that having sex with a multitude of women is not going to keep him happy in the end. He knows it’s an empty existence. It’s a catch 22. On one hand, you want to bed as many women as possible, but on the other hand, it leaves you even more lonely and empty inside.

        And it’s self-serving to say that “if you want to have any success with them these days, it really does seem best not to think of them as human. “ How many women is it going to take to satiate someone like you? After a while, doesn’t the novelty of fucking holes get boring? Maybe you need to start looking for more quality women to date, not the kind of women some of you bed. They don’t exactly inspire romantic love.

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    • Ragnar Redbeard had some game-friendly poetry:

      “Down a winding pathway, in a garden old
      Tripped a beauteous maiden, but her heart was cold
      Came a prince to woo her, said he loved her true
      Maiden said he didn’t, and so he ceased to woo…

      Came a perfumed noble, dropping on one knee
      Said his love was deeper, than the deepest sea
      But the winsome maiden, said his love was dead
      And the perfumed noble, accepted what she said…

      Came a dashing stranger, took her off by force
      Said he’d make her love him,
      and she did – of course”

      It doesn’t exactly inspire awe of women though, does it? But I’ll take understanding over awe any day of the week.

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  12. I’d rewrite this as :

    It is one of the HAPPIEST facts of life that you only get to bang hot girls once your ability to PEDESTALIZE them has decreased.

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  13. I don’t think I have ever met a hot woman. 😉

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  14. The fish looks happy.

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  15. Every step on the path of enlightenment involves shedding of naive ideals.

    We gain perspective and knowledge but feel sad as a result of the loss. It is the way of things.

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  16. Soon , pretty soon, as I’ll internalize the harsh truth I will not be able to love women no more, for they love the bad, the filthy, the devil, the merciless.

    I’m still hung on cute young 19-20 yr old faces but I think it will fade soon once I pass the 30yr old mark and testosterone starts to drop.

    As I see it it’s not a good bargain to love someone that is only superficially beautiful on the outside but at it’s core is in search for it’s real soulmate : the DEVIL.

    Love is a SHAM, loving women will only put you on the provider list AND THAT WILL GIVE YOU NO PEACE because you will already start with a disadvantage.

    So, better to fuck what you can without loving, then trying to fuck and not being loved, and suffering because your FAKE angelic cuttie doesn’t want to have anything to do with you because you’re such A LOVING PERSON. What a bunch of crap; I’m done with it !!!

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    • You could always try Islam, you’d fit in well there.

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    • on October 18, 2012 at 1:44 pm The Man Who Was . . .

      There are two types of women: those who, with a sufficiently alpha male, can stay in love even through a long term relationship and those who get bored the moment their man shows the slightest sign of domestication.* The former do exist. With a minimum of relationship game, she will remain faithful and loving. Of course the latter exist too, so you need to be able to screen.

      *These are the extremes of a sliding scale.

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      • I understand that women can stay attracted to you, and love you, and keep a relationship alive if you display real alpha traits. But those alpha traits are hard to fake on HB9’s and HB10’s for a long time if you’re not a truly alpha male. And genuine alpha males, my guess is, that they can’t love a sweet face like a beta male would love it.

        With desperation comes illusion and that illusion fades once the desperation goes away. My mind has pondered on these issues for a couple of months and I can’t help to think of Dan Dennett’s book Sweet Dreams:

        ““I’m writing a book on magic””, I explain, and I’m asked, ““Real magic?”” By real magic people mean miracles, thaumaturgical acts, and supernatural powers. ““No””, I answer: “”Conjuring tricks, not real magic””. Real magic, in other words, refers to the magic that is not real, while the magic that is real, that can
        actually be done, is not real magic.

        What it boils down is that real magic, real love, is not real, it’s all a bunch of tricks done by the software in our brain and we only acknowledge this reality once we meet face to face with it. Try analyzing a though that you feel and it soon starts to get foggy.

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    • It’s weird, lately I’ve been thinking that women’s soul mate is GOD.
      It explains why they are the most religious sex.
      And also why power and irrational self-confidence, mixed with aloofness and sprinkles of cruelty and vulnerability work very well on them.

      Be the bitch’s God. The Devil is gay.

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    • dude

      I doubt you will notice any changes after turning 30, I am 53 years old and I barely notice the difference of a lower testosterone

      I still can have sex easily – without viagra – two times in a row ( not talking quickies here )

      it is not my body that is tired, it is my mind; I have seen too many naked women to be turned on as I was in my twenties or thirthies

      Don’t worry about turning 30, there will not be any changes until you are much older

      sex is mostly in the head, a pessimistic attitude is worse than an “old” body ( as long as you are in decent shape)

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      • Good for you !

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      • This is my problem as well. Its not physical arousal as much as mental arousal that becomes the problem to work against.

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      • 70 year old man goes to the doctor:

        70: “Doc, I’d like you to lower my sex drive.’

        Doc: “Well, that’s quite an unusual request for man your age! What exactly is the problem?”

        70: “It’s all in my head… I’d like you to lower it about 3 feet.”

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  17. One of the hardest things to accept about reality is reality.

    If people…myself included…could have saved so much time and achieved so much more if we had accepted reality’s truths instead of trying to fit reality into our own myths and delusions.

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    • That true!

      One myth is that you should quit chasing 9’s and 10’s because they’re out of you’re leaque and settle for the fat or fugglies , the over-the-mile dried up old hags that smell like pastrami, OR something in the middle.

      If you can’t have the beautiful youths, the cute, the 9’s and 10’s why bother with these old, ugly whores! Nobody true man would want them!

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  18. … her name is Dulcinea, her country El Toboso, a village of La Mancha, her rank must be at least that of a princess, since she is my queen and lady, and her beauty superhuman, since all the impossible and fanciful attributes of beauty which the poets apply to their ladies are verified in her; for her hairs are gold, her forehead Elysian fields, her eyebrows rainbows, her eyes suns, her cheeks roses, her lips coral, her teeth pearls, her neck alabaster, her bosom marble, her hands ivory, her fairness snow, and what modesty conceals from sight such, I think and imagine, as rational reflection can only extol, not compare.

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  19. on October 18, 2012 at 2:24 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    A comment on this blogs motto “. . . where pretty lies perish.” Some people love the pretty lies because they genuinely love beauty and don’t want it to be banished from the earth. I have some sympathy for those folk. But then there are those who would cynically profit from this or who have an agenda of their own. These must be crushed. Are Randroids like Will Wilkinson or feminists like Amanda Marcotte lovers of beauty? To ask is to answer. Whatever our regrets at laying life so bar, the cathedral of lies must be destroyed. We must go on. Delenda est Carthago.

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  20. Heartiste, I can’t decide if you want a nice, small-town girl who’s so pure she’d never understand any of this, or someone more experienced who makes the right choices and would inspire to you to have some faith again. My prediction is one day she’ll show up here. Be on the lookout 🙂

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    • “More experienced” ?! Wonder what that means ?! LOL! But we all know what it means…or do we?

      Anyhow, if it means that you’re a ’76 Honda Accord that needed all those long years of hard riding before ‘deciding’, not on your own will, on your final owner because all of us wanted to sell you then BITCH, PLEASE… GO AWAY! NO REAL MAN would want you . You’re used up and we don’t need your experience cuz’ it won’t make our dick hard , dried-up-old-hag

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    • “Experienced” is not the right word.
      I don’t know what H wants, but the ideal woman would perhaps be a small-town girl who’s pure and SMART (beautiful and busty come first naturally).

      Not book-smart, not college-smart, not lawyercunt-smart. I mean the innate smartness that is the sign of well-calibrated instincts.

      The ideal young woman would NOT “never understand any of this”. Quite the opposite, she will understand it instantly because she always knew that it’s true.

      But this is only relevant to the introvert K-selected neanderthalish conservatives among us. There will always be semi-gay homo-sapiens like Jason who will prefer strong independent “experienced” women because they have mommy issues, a small penis, overflowing emotions and poorly calibrated instincts.

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      • Alright, alright. We’re all getting along again, so let’s not throw somebody else under the bus. Perhaps “experienced” was an ill-chosen word as I suppose it has a negative connotation in this realm.

        “beautiful and busty come first naturally” But, of course! LOL That goes without saying 🙂 So, smart in the “emotionally intelligent” sense. She could understand it but not know that she understands it…until she does. Wow, I’m on a roll here. What I mean is that she would have an unconscious understanding.

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  21. on October 18, 2012 at 2:30 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    Seems appropriate too to bring back my old comment: “Success with women is more disillusioning than failure.”

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  22. on October 18, 2012 at 4:04 pm Obstinance Works

    …or at least to welcome a bout of deliberate self-delusion once in a while as a soul restorative.<<<<

    A reason I fuck hotties

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  23. You get to bang a hot girl in your betasuit once in a while. It’s all masks and suits, if you think you are you, your just young. 🙂 Accepting value as valuelessness, empty just what it is…empty and not having any feeling towards it there is a serenity that comes with being aloof and indifferent so for so long. It’s not hopeless gents, it’s just sad for others, and sometimes it’s okay to reward them for trying despite their sadness.

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  24. on October 18, 2012 at 5:40 pm christ the saviour

    The pretentiousness on this thread is laughable. Thursday is a fag.

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    • Nietzsche took a big nasty dump on christian meekness.
      Go read him, and come back with more pretentiousness. King A will show you the way.

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      • Nietzsche’s The Geneaolgy of Morals showed that a massive hamster is at work in the heart of Christianity. Basically Christians redefined “beta” behavior to be virtuous and redefined “alpha” behavior to be sinful. The ancients/pagans, of course, knew that alpha behavior was admirable and beta behavior was… not so admirable.

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      • Whatever doesn’t kill me nevertheless hurts like a sonuvabitch.

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      • on October 19, 2012 at 12:40 am gunslingergregi

        ya know right

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  25. on October 18, 2012 at 6:20 pm Precious Metals Land Owner

    Most western women these days see themselves as Honored Matres, when they probably should see themselves as Axolotl tanks…generally speaking of course

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  26. Regarding the concept of cynicism being deleterious to health, and how to overcome it:

    1. Trust in the evolutionary wisdom of the collective gene pool of the entire planet. Believe that genes are always responding in the most elegant, precise, and adaptive capacity, and that the environment is always selecting for the best genes in a given epoch. By extension, and most relevant to game, believe that sexual selection is an efficient, elegant, beautifully complex matrix that we as gamesmen are learning to see and interact with on a grand scale.

    2. Understanding the above, believe that hypergamy, the rationalization hamster, the unchained SMP, and all other aspects of the current sociosexual & political zeitgeist are in fact features, not bugs.

    3. Believe that the knowledge and wisdom contained in the study of the evolutionary sciences along with a detailed and nuanced study of history is more than ample preparation for men to thrive in this modern age.

    4. Understanding and accepting #3 means trusting that a strong emphasis on paleolithic eating habits, some intermittent fasting, interval work, sprinting, heavy weights, and appropriate time in the sun will delay aging and allow men to truly own the evolutionary birthright of having Y chromosomes, and the comparative reproductive neoteny that allows us vis. a vie females.

    5. Utilize the knowledge of evolutionary sexuality and the sociopathology of feminism (c.f. it makes them miserable) to allow men to fight against feminism, ridicule it, but at the same time have compassion for individual women who have unwittingly imbibed that bitter drink, and take reasonable steps to feed the red pill to women (and beta males) who are still stuck in that blue pill matrix.

    6. Allow for the mysteries of nature to take place in one’s life. Leave room for the unexpected, for the magical, for the divine. Realize that spirituality and connection to a greater force may be a significant evolutionary adaptation, precisely because it inoculates against cynicism, and helps create positivity, hope, altruism, and other beneficial social qualities, none of which countermand the comportment of the alpha male but instead reinforce them. (hint to the haters–these beneficial qualities are totally alpha when they come from a place of strength) Altruism in traditional societies was a massive DHV, because it signaled a significant surplus of resources.

    7. Recognize that positivity is a tremendous aphrodesiac. Charisma is all about making people feel something, giving them an experience.

    Cynicism is a heavy weight on the soul, demonstrated by its adverse effects on health. Fortunately there are ways we can completely avoid cynicism and at the same time add to the enjoyment of our lives and enhance our charismatic masculine presence.

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    • Reading comprehension is alpha. That makes you an omega dreg… who apparently needs plastic surgery to have game. Next!

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  27. You seem to be too happy to use reality for sadistic reasons to get harmed by it. One would think the happiness you get out of that would make up for whatever unhappiness complete acceptance of reality brings.

    But I guess a balance in all things is best. There are many things I don’t want to do for a somewhat longer life, including calorie restriction. Same goes for reality restriction (although I’m a girl and men are true romantics, so I have nothing to feel bad about). But some fun things can be denied to oneself if it means better health (like coke).

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    • Are you still banging Eivinde?

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      • Women don’t “bang” men. But yeah.

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      • I guess you’ve never been on top, then.

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      • Even with the woman on top
        I do not feel ” banged” I feel like she is banging herself with my body.

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      • If she’s doing the banging, then you’re the one who’s banged dude.

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      • Well, each time i hear a woman say she banged a guy, it sounds like someone gave up sex, but wants to prove women can fuck just like men. If she’s on top/did all the work, she can say she fucked him or had sex with him, but banged is too strong a word. IMO.

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      • I agree with Emma

        the woman is never banging the man

        unless the woman is using a strap on – which she would have to buy me a new house, a new car , a new motorcycle and new boat for me to say yes to that…

        She could also give one million dollar in cold hard cash

        Hey we all have our price

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      • Ain’t the truth? We all have our price. I guess that’s yours for getting banged by a girl. LOL!

        Anyway, I agree with both Emma and Canadian friend, women don’t bang.

        Too much feminist thinking, eh?

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  28. As far as i’m concerned. Love isn’t something a true Alpha male has the privilege to experience. The more alpha i’m becoming through wisdom and understanding, the less care i have towards the opposite gender and the more appreciation and respect i’m getting.

    It seems as though women are naturally predisposed to damn all men who dare show the emotion of love to their faces.

    It’s tough for us men in the community not because the journey to alpha is hard, but because of our previous experience of what it was to truly love someone, to get hurt really badly and to free ourselves from the emotion.

    Love is the greatest and strongest thing in the world for both genders to appreciate. Women it seems don’t seem to want it in their men.

    So i say fuck it. You get what you all wish for.

    Want to be treated like shit when you’re young. So be it. It seems to be the way forward nowadays. Why change what isn’t broken?

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    • Infatuation is the brain mechanism that struggles with insecurity and will attempt to control the other in a relationship. The less the control the more the infatuation a person will feel.

      Real love may just be the desperate struggle to find true love, the love that doesn’t exist.

      And of course alpha males don’t love as much; it’s because they can’t be so infatuated due to their adroitness in controlling females.

      The most intense emotions are also the most debilitating ones. Oneitis, having your heart thrown in front of a bus, non-returned love… How many of you felt those raw emotions for a young woman and got the same emotional response from her? I can take a guess on that.

      What it all boils down to, I guess, whether we talk about love, hate, or the the other plethora of human feelings and interactions, is that it’s all about CONTROL.

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      • on October 19, 2012 at 4:09 am gunslingergregi

        not always there is unconditional love maybe
        i offered to off myself when i knew i was broke and leave my wife with the loot to take care of her told her get another dude
        She said she didn’t care bout the money didn’t want another dude wanted me alive
        only wanted me maybe control gave her the ability to have the most control over someone you can posibly have “shrugs”
        beta alpha psycho who knows

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    • Women do want love, but they want to earn that love, they want to have to dig that love out. The problem is that most guys nowadays wear their hearts on their sleeves and are eager to express romantic interest / commitment right away.

      It’s a paradox that mirrors guys wanting pussies but looking down on girls who give them out right away.

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      • on October 19, 2012 at 11:44 am gunslingergregi

        yea try telling em you love em but don’t eat the pussy they will beg and pleade and get tattoos and anything else lol

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    • “It’s tough for us men in the community not because the journey to alpha is hard, but because of our previous experience of what it was to truly love someone, to get hurt really badly and to free ourselves from the emotion.”

      Well at least all of you guys are being honest about how you became so anti-love and anti-marriage. I always had a sneaking suspicion it was this.

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      • We aren’t that solipsistic.
        There are guys in here who had perfectly functioning relationships with women, and others who never touched a woman before game.

        We don’t need to be hurt or bitter for us to be shocked by the red pill.
        I had one amazing LTR before knowing anything about game. I never got cheated on, dumped etc… But still, this blog was a shock and a revelation because it is Truth.

        Besides, being anti-marriage is one thing, and it’s perfectly rational. Being anti-love is just a stage.

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      • “Besides, being anti-marriage is one thing, and it’s perfectly rational. Being anti-love is just a stage.”

        So are you saying most of you go through a stage of anti-love, but eventually return to loving a woman again? Is it possible? I mean once you numb yourself to love, can you have interest or trust enough in love again? Please explain.

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      • I don’t know why you believe that everyone here is anti-love. Most aren’t. We’re too rational to deny or minimize a well-documented biological fact. I remember a few manosphere discussions about love and no one denies it or rants against it. But all of us except the King A followers recognize that it’s not unconditional, and it’s generally limited to a few years, with few exceptions where it lasts a long time and sometimes a lifetime.

        There’s a general distrust of “oneitis”, because infatuation can make one do stupid life decisions, but many are happy to read LTR game, which tends to prove that men, at the very least, want to be loved.

        The ability to love back is up to each and everyone, but it’s hard not to love back when you’re loved, and when you like and trust the other person.

        The whole issue is about trust. Generally speaking, it’s a bad idea to trust a woman. Especially when one has seen and read about the dark female animal side. And very few girls elicit trust in men these days…

        As opposed to the no-life keyboard jockeys, the sociable manosphere readers are likely to meet a nice girl whom they can trust and love.

        But love for a man doesn’t mean sexual fidelity. H said it numerous times; the best of both worlds is love within a LTR, and flings on the side to satisfy the longing for variety. Some can arrange that with the full consent of their primary partner, some can’t. But the fact is there are very few desirable AND monogamous men. King A preaches for striving toward being that kind of man, but one cannot hold up to King A’s standards and explore the modern sexual playground at the same time without risking schizophrenia.

        BTW, women can’t really do that polygyny thing, because they will have flings with truly desirable men, and come home to betas… It reeks exploitation.

        If you’re talking about the unconditional monogamous eternal kind of love, that requires spiritual compatibility and spiritual bonding. I’m not sure many still believe in it, despite King A’s efforts to make it look edgy.

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  29. Hard, but someone’s gotta do it.

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  30. OT: lololo http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/14/arts/television/women-on-tv-step-off-the-scale.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    You don’t even need to click on the link to suspect the lulz: NYBetaTimes; the link title? “women on tv step off the scale” … this ought to be good

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  31. F. Nietszche was a tubucular, syphilitic dwarf who went completely insane shortly after his 45th birthday. There is yur uber-mensch!!!.
    R. Wagners hot young wife came on to him several times but he could never get it up. “Thus Sprach Zaratustra!!”
    James Bowie was involved in various political struggles in New Orleans and the trying to be born nation of Texas. Where he died in March 1836. At the Alamo. No one knows how many sons he sired along his path but it is very clear he wielded a very big knife
    F. Nietzche did not die at the Alamo. He actually died at the Vienna Municpal Corpse (or near corpse) insinerator..

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  32. This is for the Whiskeyites out there who think young white women HATE HATE HATE non-alpha white men…what explains this?http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=510224468988041&set=a.499338033410018.129037.499317933412028&type=1&theater

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  33. on October 19, 2012 at 12:46 am gunslingergregi

    love will fuck you up no doubt

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  34. on October 19, 2012 at 12:55 am gunslingergregi

    then after you make promises in the honeymoon stage it will really fuck you up he he he

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  35. on October 19, 2012 at 1:53 am gunslingergregi

    sometimes when you win you really lose and sometimes when you lose you really win

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  36. Off-topic, but Lamont Hill has a book out against white people called
    “The 100 Most Overrated White People.” He says Whites have controlled the US for 400 years and he is mad about it. Some nerve!!!! The country was established by whites, not blacks, can’t he show some respect and some appreciation? He should thank his lucky stars he is here. Otherwise, he’d be dying of AIDS, hunger, or in a massacre in Africa if it weren’t for whites bringing his ancestors here, even though I’m not advocating slavery.

    Columbus , Shakespeare, Elvis , and Ragan are on his list. He doesn’t even reach their ankles in wisdom, that black communist.

    This guy’s accusations against whites really pissed me off. Some audacity to write such an anti-whites work. If it were a white person writing something like this against blacks he’d be called a racist and lose his job.

    This confirms to anyone who wasn’t sure that these militant blacks who obey Black liberation theology eventually want to seize control over the country and rule whites.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marc-lamont-hill/15-overrated-overrated-white-people_b_1948679.html

    I think it’s a strong reason to vote for Mitt Romney, even if we’re not crazy about him. If Obama wins reelection, it’s just going to pave the way for more blacks in public office. We definitely don’t need more of their ilk moving in and shaping policy. Why embolden them more?

    There are 1000’s of riot threats on Twitter and FB if Obama loses. What did I say a few weeks ago? I said they will riot in the streets if Obama loses. Fucking animals!

    Meanwhile, Mitt Romney is receiving 1000’s of death threats. Some tweets promising they will burn cities to the ground if Obama loses. How come Obama doesn’t tell his goons to stop and accept the outcome with dignity? He is a race baiter. No one ever punishes these people. I’m so tired of it. Where are the Secret Service and the Justice Department who are supposed to investigate such threats?

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    • “… There are 1000’s of riot threats on Twitter and FB if Obama loses….”

      Back in 2008 before Obama got elected some of us had predicted if he were to lose there would be a lot of blacks rioting

      but I went further ( I’m not saying I was the only one, but there were not many of us )
      I said that if Obama wins this too will make black people become more violent…

      why ?

      simply because having a black man in the position of leader of the world would embolden black people( well that and the brainwashing from white liberals )

      and it turns out I ( or we ) were right; since Obama has been elected black people ( ok not ALL of them ) are in fact emboldened; if you can read and do read something else than the controlled information from the main stream media then you know that I am simply stating facts( flash mobs on the rise, black on white crimes on the rise etc etc )

      and this time around no matter if Obama wins or loses, either way this will make black on white violence go up, either they will riot because their man lost or they will be even more emboldened if he wins

      I should have saved the link but yesterday and article came out that says violent crimes are up 18 % and most of the victims are white

      no matter if Obama wins or loses, this will only go up

      it is not rocket science it is reality

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      • “but I went further ( I’m not saying I was the only one, but there were not many of us )
        I said that if Obama wins this too will make black people become more violent…
        why ?
        simply because having a black man in the position of leader of the world would embolden black people( well that and the brainwashing from white liberals )”

        BINGO!!!!

        I know black on white crime is going up – they loot stores, beat white kids on school busses, gangs going to white neighborhoods or mixed neighborhoods and beating up white elderly veterans, and the stupid racist liberal media never reports on that stuff. And this racist president is only encouraging them to continue this evil. In fact, I think he enjoys seeing this.

        Blacks are so resentful that they don’t control America. If they ever do, this place would look like South Africa and there will never be America again. God forbids this ever happens.

        Yeah, blacks have been emboldened alright.

        How is it in Canada, by you? You have a pretty good leader, for a change. He is probably the best leader on the scene today.

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      • @NiteLily- “How is it in Canada, by you? You have a pretty good leader, for a change. He is probably the best leader on the scene today.”

        Harper is only loved by 24% of the furthest right wing religious wack-o-doodles. Most of us want him out, including me, a conservative supporter.

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      • I agree with Manlymans assessment.

        I’m just glad he wasn’t in office during the run up to the Iraq war. Otherwise we’d probably have troops over there.

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      • Anyone who claims there are right wing religious wack dooddles in Canada is either a liberal or has never been to Canada

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      • Nitelily,

        Too bad there is no way of sending private messages on this site

        I like you

        not in the ” I-think-I-will-make-you-leave-your-husband-and-come-live-with-me-in-Canada” sense

        I’m not a nut.

        in the sense that some things I’d rather not share here.

        I enjoy reading you. Not an alpha thing to say, I know, but I am not trying to get you to jump in my bed.

        so many women are bubble heads or liberals, but you are neither.

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      • Hi CF,

        “in the sense that some things I’d rather not share here.”

        I think I know exactly what you want to tell me and not share here.

        “so many women are bubble heads or liberals, but you are neither.”

        This is one of the best complements. Thank you. I enjoy your posts too. It seems we think alike on many levels.

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  37. “The terrible predicament of a beautiful girl is that only an experienced womanizer, someone cynical and without scruple, feels up to the challenge. More often than not, she will lose her virginity to some filthy lowlife in what proves to be the first step in an irrevocable decline.”
    ― Michel Houellebecq, The Elementary Particles

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  38. I just got an out of the blue Friend request from a girl I had forgotten about. i met her on a train 22 years ago long before I had game. I ended up hanging out with her. She was hot then, tall, long blond hair, but nuts. At some point in our hanging out she gave me a blow job. Then nothing for 22 years.

    I could barely remember her but accepted her request so I could check out the photos. Ok….imagine a hot 23 year old who’s now 45 but wishing she was that hot bitch who didn’t fuck me.

    She’s wearing cougar clothes, platinum hair, posing suggestively on a sailboat in a bikini, or with a motorbike.

    I replied: “how do we know each other?” she replied like in 2 seconds.

    What’s with these horny cougars coming back like a virus 22 years later looking for a return to her youth–a youth in which she wouldn’t fuck me.

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    • Don’t get too excited. She might just be looking to reconnect to old friends.

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      • Men and women can’t ever be friends Lara.
        A woman won’t just want to randomly connect with a man for nothing…
        In my experience, female friends comes in 2 categories –

        1) Girls that want to use me
        2) Girls that want to fuck me

        I don’t know a single female ‘friend’ (and i have loads) that calls me specifically to ask how i am… Rarely hear from them on facebook and only hear from them when they want to use me for something.

        The others are fuck buddies.

        Men and women are designed to fuck each other. If a girl doesn’t see a guy romantically, then there’s no reason to be friends, unless she’s willing to be a friend by helping me hook up with other girls or her other friends…

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      • She blew me once. Then she seemed obsessed with me for a bit, then 22 years of silence. Yah, I think we’ll reconnect and go over all those old times we shared…ummmmm

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    • You should ask her if she has any young daughters you can hook up with :-))

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    • be wary of women wanting beta orbiters.

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  39. So players and Alphas dont notice beautiful women? They dont ever say “Holy shit, that bitch be hot!”?

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  40. Do you know what i find funny about women and why they despise the male movement?

    It’s simple really. They all seem to have the idea that men have no other options in their life and would rather wait until they’re older, beat up and smashed by other men and ready to settle down with the man that ‘Loved and cared for them’.

    I know this as fact because my ex had done exactly the same thing and had explicitly made it verbally clear to me that we should break up and experience ‘The other fruit on the fruit stand’ (her own words) then come together at a later date ‘If it’s meant to be’.

    ‘What a deluded bitch’ i thought…

    They want to believe that ‘fate and fairy tales’ exist and ignore the fact that it is really all their doing.

    I know for a fact that she will seek me out one day like the spinster that was described above who randomly added you on facebook. After she’s been pumped and dumped a few times and unable to fulfill her lifelong dream to get married and have kids before 30 by a ‘raw alpha’ who loves her.

    As men, we all need to help each other get over this and to eventually, let all of the women of the world know that this shit no longer works and that they in face have a sell by date with us. You’re past 26 and want to settle down?

    Tough, either look for someone like you (Other scraps) or start collecting cats and dogs.

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  41. Can’t say I agree with the post. The overwhelming majority of people (male & female) tend to be at their most attractive in their 20’s. There are exceptions, but, they do not – as we all know – make the rules. Based on my experiences and observations, you get to bang hot girls (~ 20-something) around the time you are 20-something yourself, if ever. Add to that the fact that Amewrican women ages 16-55 seem to want guys 16-25 EXCLUSIVELY (at least that’s what I’m seeing), the basic premise of the post does not hold water.

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    • Add to that the fact that Amewrican women ages 16-55 seem to want guys 16-25 EXCLUSIVELY (at least that’s what I’m seeing)

      yes, that’s just what you’re seeing. which means you need to get out more, go to different places, observe the social dynamics there.

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      • I’ve seen men in their 60s have more success with women than some men ever had in their 20s. They are interesting, dominating, and entertaining.

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    • Well since I hit my 30s I should just pack it in…my romantic life is over.

      Those girls I’ve been seeing must be delusional.

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  42. To the Man Who Was . . . You, Hearts, and many others will appreciate this.

    From “Citizen Kane:”

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  43. “Better than a slap in the eye with a wet kipper, as my Uncle Anatole used to say…”

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  44. in the same line, it is impossible to be madly in love and happy at the same time, because the girl will be turned off by your passion.
    Like in a Greek myth, girls only desire those who don’t desire them a lot.
    Life is sad.

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