The Ruling Class Vs The American Class

Important article in the American Spectator. I’d advise all to read it. Excerpt:

Similarly, Obama “apologized” to Europeans because some Americans — not him and his friends — had shown “arrogance and been dismissive” toward them, and to the world because President Truman had used the atom bomb to end World War II. So President Clinton apologized to Africans because some Americans held African slaves until 1865 and others were mean to Negroes thereafter — not himself and his friends, of course. So assistant secretary of state Michael Posner apologized to Chinese diplomats for Arizona’s law that directs police to check immigration status. Republicans engage in that sort of thing as well: former Soviet dictator Mikhail Gorbachev tells us that in 1987 then vice president George H. W. Bush distanced himself from his own administration by telling him, “Reagan is a conservative, an extreme conservative. All the dummies and blockheads are with him…” This is all about a class of Americans distinguishing itself from its inferiors. It recalls the Pharisee in the Temple: “Lord, I thank thee that I am not like other men…”

In sum, our ruling class does not like the rest of America. Most of all does it dislike that so many Americans think America is substantially different from the rest of the world and like it that way. For our ruling class, however, America is a work in progress, just like the rest the world, and they are the engineers.

What is the animating force of our rapidly aggregating elite? Power. What is the conscious motivation of our elite? Religious utopianism. What are the tools of our elite? Feminism, equalism, transnationalism. What are the battle tactics of our elite? Shaming, hypocrisy, lies.

A perturbation in the souls of common men gathers strength. The stirrings of a revolution shimmer faintly on the horizon. A new, yet old, paradigm bubbles in the cauldron of collective thought. One way or another, a clash of classes is coming. The only question is whether we will be lucky enough that the coming civil war is a bloodless one. All bets are off.





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  1. What will be the match? China cashing out its t-bills? Assassination of a US Congressman? Currently most Americans are too high on carbs and TV to really do anything.

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  2. we don’t have a ruling class- we have rich people playing dominance games. Our pre-60s governors played dominance games based on ‘do as I say, because my patriotic ideas and actions are better than yours. Our post-60s governors play moral dominance games based on their voluntary poverty of patriotism: ‘do as I say, because my moral choice to do without simpleminded pro-american patriotism makes me better than you’.

    Different DHV. Ever try moral dominance games to get laid? Works for SWPL.

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  3. I read this article earlier this morning. What struck me was the following exerpt:

    Never has there been so little diversity within America’s upper crust. Always, in America as elsewhere, some people have been wealthier and more powerful than others. But until our own time America’s upper crust was a mixture of people who had gained prominence in a variety of ways, who drew their money and status from different sources and were not predictably of one mind on any given matter. The Boston Brahmins, the New York financiers, the land barons of California, Texas, and Florida, the industrialists of Pittsburgh, the Southern aristocracy, and the hardscrabble politicians who made it big in Chicago or Memphis had little contact with one another. Few had much contact with government, and “bureaucrat” was a dirty word for all. So was “social engineering.” Nor had the schools and universities that formed yesterday’s upper crust imposed a single orthodoxy about the origins of man, about American history, and about how America should be governed. All that has changed.

    Our government today bears little resemblance to the governed, which is why for the first time since college (and that was quite some time ago) that I’ve become active in local politics again. You can guess the party that has my support.

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  4. enough with important articles and commentary. if you don’t get it yet nothing will help you deprogram and prepare. if it doesn’t play a role in constructing a meaningful alliance it’s a distraction at best.

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  5. on July 17, 2010 at 2:05 pm Obstinance Works

    I’m too distracted by the tits.

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  6. The bomb didnt stop world war II, the war was already over , with Hitler dead already

    The bomb was against Japon, in response after Pearl Harbor, which as far as I kenow was american induced

    And Obama says sorry but continues to ocuppy Irak, how does that work

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  7. on July 17, 2010 at 2:10 pm Obstinance Works

    We need another bomb like that one. Drop it on Mecca. I’ll get the popcorn.

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  8. Arrogance is not necessarily a bad thing. It depends if you have the right stuff to back it up or not 😉

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  9. we? who’s “we”? what’s hitting mecca gonna do about our political class? are you actually reading, dumbshit?

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  10. on July 17, 2010 at 2:23 pm NYCBachelor

    Can we get a timeline on this social meltdown?

    I’m sick of busting my ass at work and would my transition from diligent cog in degenerating Western soceity to Alpha leader of a post-apoclypic biker gang leader, who pilages and ravages anyone who strikes his fancy- to be without complication. Preperation and planning are key if one wants a career change to go as smoothly.

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  11. What is the animating force of our rapidly aggregating elite? Power.

    You say this as if Machiavelli hadn’t written The Prince ~500 years ago. It has always been this way, always will.

    [editor: the wilting flowers and moralists among us sometimes need the reminder.]

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  12. on July 17, 2010 at 2:27 pm NYCBachelor

    On a side note- I wonder how many people’s , with a high IQ, reading this blog, primary complaint with the ruling class is that they’re not a part of it.

    I suspect that their perseptive and priorities would alter quite rapidly if they had a sudden infusion of wealth and membership in elite countryclubs….

    [editor: or some of us might hunt the hunters.]

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  13. What if we dropped the bomb on DC instead?

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  14. I smell a French style revolution in the works.

    Enlightened elites, meet guillotine.

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  15. on July 17, 2010 at 2:40 pm NYCBachelor

    [editor: or some of us might hunt the hunters.]

    Preying on those who prey on and exploit the weak is a much more moral way to live through the apocolypse (afterall, they say that you can’t put a price on a good nights sleep)- and much more exciting way no doubt- the thrill and danger of hunting big game; no the biggest game of all- MAN.

    However, at the end of the day I have little faith in the good will and basic decency making up the masses of humanity. Too much empircal evidence to the contrary.

    As the Joker says “When the chips are down- these people will eat each other”.

    If soceity collapses, then everyone becomes the hunter and its open season on humanity.

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  16. on July 17, 2010 at 2:41 pm Obstinance Works

    Crazyshoe I read a lot more than you do, asscock.

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  17. on July 17, 2010 at 2:42 pm NYCBachelor

    Quantity of materal read means nothing.

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  18. on July 17, 2010 at 2:42 pm Obstinance Works

    I was getting to that Josh.

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  19. NYC Bachelor:

    “On a side note- I wonder how many people’s , with a high IQ, reading this blog, primary complaint with the ruling class is that they’re not a part of it.”

    Guilty as charged. I find it greatly offensive that the sort of middling, effeminate, self-hating losers who make up the vast majority of the political, journalistic, and academic world are termed “elite” and are considered by themselves to be our natural rulers.

    In principle, I have no problem with the concept of a benevolent ruling class who concerns itself with the day to day tedium of politics, but they key word has to be “benevolent”.

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  20. Lucky if it’s bloodless?
    Hell no, we need some good old fashioned cleansing.

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  21. Great post. We are approaching a critical phase where the disgust of Codevilla’s “country class” is reaching a boiling point not seen in many decades. They intuitively sense that the country is on an unsustainable track, that they are politically, economically, and socially de facto disenfranchised, and that the “elite” is well down the road of replacing them with a “new” American people that will be darker, dumber, and much more compliant with the wishes of the diversity-nanny state and the corporations that buttress it.

    I am a realist, however, and expect that the budding revolt may be crushed with the usual tactics of shaming (crying racism, sexism, etc). The NAACP’s inability to shut down the Tea Party movement, though, could be taken as a poisitive sign. Too soon to tell, let’s see how much more elitist, race-based insanity the administration pulls olff before early November.

    On the other hand, if the current crisis passes without incident, ie white people are shamed back into the living room to watch mindless TV and ignore their obvious plight, I fully expect us to be rounded up a la USSR in 1919 and placed in camps. Within a few years. If you don’t think that Obama, Holder, et al, secretly want to do this, you are deadly naive, my friends. Be prepared to be labelled “counterrevolutionary elements” and packed off to the new American GULAG.

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  22. on July 17, 2010 at 2:58 pm Mnemosyne's Brother

    Reading over coffee, I too was taken by this piece. And pulled this bit out as a real testament to the problem with the GOP.

    “When pollsters ask the American people whether they are likely to vote Republican or Democrat in the next presidential election, Republicans win growing pluralities. But whenever pollsters add the preferences “undecided,” “none of the above,” or “tea party,” these win handily, the Democrats come in second, and the Republicans trail far behind. That is because while most of the voters who call themselves Democrats say that Democratic officials represent them well, only a fourth of the voters who identify themselves as Republicans tell pollsters that Republican officeholders represent them well. Hence officeholders, Democrats and Republicans, gladden the hearts of some one-third of the electorate — most Democratic voters, plus a few Republicans. This means that Democratic politicians are the ruling class’s prime legitimate representatives and that because Republican politicians are supported by only a fourth of their voters while the rest vote for them reluctantly, most are aspirants for a junior role in the ruling class. In short, the ruling class has a party, the Democrats. But some two-thirds of Americans — a few Democratic voters, most Republican voters, and all independents — lack a vehicle in electoral politics.”

    We lack a political vehicle for expression of how we want the country to be run. Frightening.

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  23. Eventually, when a nation is old enough, there always develops a hereditary nobility. It’s just one of those things that happens. A few families and their associates will weild the lion’s share of the nation’s wealth, and the rest live to support them.

    There isn’t really a solution because it’s part of human nature. All one can do to make it a less terrible situation is to ensure that this group is regularly refreshed with new wealth.

    The problems start when the people at the top make it unduly difficult for others to get there, and extremely difficult to wrest them from their position if they abuse it. They can’t really help themselves, so the other people have to stay organized enough to keep them aware that they’re not immortal.

    Their safety, not just their wealth, depends on there being enough honorable people willing to protect them and allow them to do business.

    It seems currently they think that making people more directly controlled drones will accomplish their goals, but this is arrogants. We’re humans, no ants. Humans need stable jobs and stable families to stay invested in civilization.

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  24. Ya! Lets overthrow the elite so we can replace them with a more ignorant less educated elite. Good times are coming.

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  25. Crap…”arrogance”. Too many brain cells died last night.

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  26. Oh yes, lets not forget the opposite fools on the spectrum. Those who seek to divide us by representing the “Real Americans”, against those “elitists”, the Palins, the Hannity’s and that Constitutional scholar Beck. They spout out the same reverse nonsense and actually encourage a atmosphere of anti-intellectualism with slogans, buzzwords, and appeals to outrange and anger.

    The sad thing is, the millions they make off of the fools who eat this stuff up makes these clowns no better than the people the rant against. Yes, real America, Rush cares about the little people while he flies off on his private jet and Fox News’ Ayres makes his 30 million dollars a year.

    There is no deep divide, there is only a hyper-outage minority on both sides kept at war for profit and ratings. You’re coming war is nonsense.

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  27. The institution of no-fault divorce diminished the distinction between cohabitation and marriage — except that husbands are held financially responsible for the children they father, while out-of-wedlock fathers are not.

    While I think most of that article is spot on, I really wonder what that guy was smoking when he wrote that.

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  28. You forgot one more tool in the Elitist toolkit. Globalization. It’s the cancer that is eating away at the soul of our economy and society.

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  29. on July 17, 2010 at 3:10 pm greatbooksformen

    lzozlozlzlzlzlzlzozlzlzlzl

    “Heh

    The institution of no-fault divorce diminished the distinction between cohabitation and marriage — except that husbands are held financially responsible for the children they father, while out-of-wedlock fathers are not.”

    fucktard you do know that fatehrs have to pay child support even if tehy never marrie dda chick lzozlzl

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  30. Ery, my point is that no matter how educated someone is, if they’re miseducated, it doesn’t help anyway. They’re going to screw up.

    The current crop seems to be mostly people bent on undermining the families and relationships of normal citizens in order to make it easier to sell them things they don’t need, and pursue relationships that will not lead to long term family success.

    While everyone’s cramming in the bottleneck for things they think they need but don’t, they can be more easily manipulated.

    The problem is that this is an unstable situation. It becomes increasingly unstable when most people can’t get what they are convinced that they need. Eventually, the dissatisfied masses will revolt because of relative, not even actual deprivation.

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  31. Was it de Toqueville (sp?) or maybe Menken(sp?) who said Democracy only works as long as people don’t understand it?

    Or Jack Vance talking about the prospects for a democracy composed of Foxes and chickens?

    You get the elite that you deserve.

    On an unrelated note:

    Megyn Kelly confirms an aspect of game, and hey she is nice to look at, about 8mins in, cant be bothered to check:

    I also suspect alot of you would like this, though unrelated:

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  32. on July 17, 2010 at 3:19 pm Nork from Zork

    Like I always say, when lefties ask “why do they hate us?”, they really mean “Let me tell you why I hate you“.

    When they admit that somebody does actually dislike them specifically, they never ask that question.

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  33. on July 17, 2010 at 3:23 pm Nork from Zork

    It would be a mistake, though, to imagine that the establishment GOP isn’t part of the ruling class.

    Lots of libertarians, too; look at McArdle at the Atlantic, and Dave Weigel’s supporters at Reason.

    They work in the Government Industry. It’s what they do. They can’t help it.

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  34. How does one game the ruling classes, then?

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  35. Just remember: change is going to happen. There’s no way to prevent that.

    “Cities fall, but they are rebuilt.”

    I suspect the chapter won’t be closed as easily as we think. The stirrings of dissent are not so easily dismissed, and we’ll discover this shortly.

    Violence is inevitable, somewhere. I suspect the fringes will do well: Australia, NZ, Canada; when empires fall, it’s usually the center that implodes. The splintered edges are the places to be.

    Anyone want to move to Maine?

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  36. greatbooksformen

    Yes I do which is why I wondered what the author was smoking.

    Perhaps, I wasn’t clear in my comment but that was a quote from the linked article in the above post.

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  37. stick to writing about game. your nativist hyperbole is weak and fluffy at best and try-hard shock jock offensive at worst, like a male ann coulter.

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  38. on July 17, 2010 at 3:38 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””on July 17, 2010 at 1:45 pm Paul
    What will be the match?
    ””””
    Theory:

    Obama assinated:

    Some city undergoing riot and some gang of minorities going around raping woman en mass filming it and showing it on youtube along with the bodies of their families. Major media is so shocked out of sleep that they actually mass show some of what is going on. All others carry on and continue same behavior. Then all hell breaks loose everywhere.

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  39. on July 17, 2010 at 3:46 pm namae nanka

    time for cro-magnon game:

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  40. All of this was layed out by v Hayek, Road to Serfdom, enjoy the spectacle!

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  41. Nicole, how was the vodka with pickles then?

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  42. We need lead to the heads of Blankfein, Bernanke and Geithner. That ought to send the message.

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  43. @Mike

    I’m not sure either of them said that. As I recall, Mencken said that “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.”

    Tocqueville was remarkably enthusiastic about democracy and the common American’s instinctive grasp of self-governance by voluntary association. He reserved some of his doubts and fears about the future of democracy for the second volume of Democracy in America, doubts that anticipate Nietzsche’s later warnings about the characteristics of ‘the last man.’

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  44. It’s an outright fiasco that the USA doesn’t have a third party… and probably needs a fourth or fifth party as well.

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  45. It’s amusing when someone blames Fox News for everything. You usually see that in liberal circles. Keith Olbermann and MSNBC is a-okay with them though.

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  46. on July 17, 2010 at 4:28 pm Gunslingergregi

    Think about it like this if you were an elite who had been under pressure to do certain things your whole life. Plus you had to work at shit and whatever. Plus you had to internalize this bullshit that they believe. Plus you had to get married to a woman and be real carefull if you cheated. So after 5 years your tired of the pussy and you always got to sneak like a bitch to get it.

    Then you look at a normal player guy who doesn’t have much money but he looks happy and he is getting pussy.
    You are gonna hate him.

    Now imagine looking at a guy who saved money and had money just like you but he didn’t have to have any of the responsibility of you. Plus he is getting mad pussy while the elite guy is sitting there with an aging wife who he may love but is sick of.

    Yea you can almost understand the hate. All of humanity has worked towards putting themselves into this box.

    I mean fuck if you could have one thing:

    All the money in the world and one pussy and lots of social norms to follow

    or

    as much pussy as you wanted and being also able to save as much money as you could and invest it with almost no social norms to follow other than not get married and not have kids.

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  47. You know all those people who write “stick to writing about game”… are all liberals.

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  48. ‘The Sky is Falling’ posts always go over my head. 😦 Perhaps Foxy Loxy should forget Cocky Locky and just gobble up Roissy Woissy and those damn pebbles that fall on his head every so often!

    *giggle* 😛

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  49. It would be a mistake, though, to imagine that the establishment GOP isn’t part of the ruling class.

    Lots of libertarians, too; look at McArdle at the Atlantic, and Dave Weigel’s supporters at Reason.

    Reason/beltway style libertarianism basically amounts to the same politically correct shit sandwich our elites have been trying to shove down our throats for the last 40 years, with a side order of free trade.

    The main course is still a shit sandwich.

    The funny part is that the only way the so-called “Country Party” would ever accept the kind of “liberty” the beltway libs advocate would be to have an awesomely big government standing on their necks.

    Reason is establishment politics personified, dressed in a leather jacket to make trendy SWPL’s feel like their engaging in something exclusive and rebellious.

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  50. Ugh.

    I hate when Roissy writes about politics…especially right-wing politics.

    Don’t he realize that if this country ever turned hard-right, the supply of easy, young pussy would try up faster than dead cat baking in the Arizona sun?

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  51. Roissy, you’re referring to the Hostile Elite.

    http://theoccidentalobserver.net/tooblog/?p=2322

    They Who Must Not Be Named must be named. The elite is overwhelmingly Jewish and they hate us. I say we hate them back.

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  52. on July 17, 2010 at 4:48 pm Anonymouses Anonymous

    Apologies are for betas. Apologizing for the bad behavior of others is even worse. At most, you can say, “It is unfortunate.” Offering an apology subjugates you to the one you hope accepts the apology. Saying it is unfortunate says you acknowledge the ill action, but does not ask for anything.

    Apologizing on my behalf? F You! It is unfirtunate we have d=bags who think they can speak for me.

    Now, about dominating the classes…always bear in mind that the lower class in America is far better armed than the ruling class. And, what we lack, we can McGuyver.

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  53. your advice on women is great roissy but on humanity, equality, liberty,fraternity, its shit. you think you’re the ubermensch when you’re actually the untermensch

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  54. Dude, I’m just hoping I can learn to get that girly without alcohol.

    Of the two extended mind-fucks ending with eviscerations, I SMS’ed one and MSN’ed the other, and let the chips fall. One is older than me and probably chuckling. The other is younger than me, and kind of ‘spergery, so I explained what was wrong with how I handled him, and what to do next time a girl gets twitchy-bitch (not take her crap).

    Both of them are relationships I probably shouldn’t have been in, in the first place. Well, the older one, I should probably have waited until recently, when I became more socially relevant…but now, we’ve got this total almost 3 year history of him doing his best to be cool despite his issues, and me always telling him his best isn’t good enough.

    He’d be quite justified to never speak to me again, but when I said I hoped that someday he could find it in his heart to forgive me, he replied, “I will.”

    That’s good enough. It’s more than I deserve, actually.

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  55. on July 17, 2010 at 5:08 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””Laws and regulations nowadays are longer than ever because length is needed to specify how people will be treated unequally. For example, the health care bill of 2010 takes more than 2,700 pages to make sure not just that some states will be treated differently from others because their senators offered key political support, but more importantly to codify bargains between the government and various parts of the health care industry, state governments, and large employers about who would receive what benefits (e.g., public employee unions and auto workers) and who would pass what indirect taxes onto the general public. The financial regulation bill of 2010, far from setting univocal rules for the entire financial industry in few words, spends some 3,000 pages (at this writing) tilting the field exquisitely toward some and away from others. Even more significantly, these and other products of Democratic and Republican administrations and Congresses empower countless boards and commissions arbitrarily to protect some persons and companies, while ruining others. Thus in 2008 the Republican administration first bailed out Bear Stearns, then let Lehman Brothers sink in the ensuing panic, but then rescued Goldman Sachs by infusing cash into its principal debtor, AIG. Then, its Democratic successor used similarly naked discretionary power (and money appropriated for another purpose) to give major stakes in the auto industry to labor unions that support it. Nowadays, the members of our ruling class admit that they do not read the laws. They don’t have to. Because modern laws are primarily grants of discretion, all anybody has to know about them is whom they empower. ”””””’

    Yea the big one for control down to wearing your seatbelt little johnny.

    Well there is a rule that taxes you for renouncing citizenship so yea someone is scared. Good part is you can still do so. Might change.

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  56. Codevilla’s article is spot-on. Missing from his analysis is the reality of the role that suffrage for women has played in catapaulting us to our present state of affairs. Women are, fundmentally, security-seeking creatures who will swap out liberty in favor of security time and time again; worldwide, women tend to vote left.

    The federal income tax. Social security. Medicare. The welfare state. Massive spending on higher education. An explosion of high-compensation public sector employment. The welfare state. Health care entitlements. Radical environmentalism. Amnesty for illegal immigrants. Erosion of private property rights. Gun control. Etc.
    NONE of it could have been conceiveable without women voters.

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  57. Oops 2x on the welfare state.

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  58. ery
    Ya! Lets overthrow the elite so we can replace them with a more ignorant less educated elite. Good times are coming.

    You confuse political indoctrination with education. Don’t assume Progressive elites are terribly worldly in reality. They get away with it because so many of their useful idiots are too ignorant to call them on their boorishness.

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  59. @james
    your advice on women is great roissy but on humanity, equality, liberty,fraternity, its shit. you think you’re the ubermensch when you’re actually the untermensch

    How could a high minded fellow such as yourself ever take dating advice from an Untermensch? Do you have something dark you need to get off your chest or something? I keep seeing images of bestiality with this Untermensch motif. Tell me what causes these fantasies you’re having?

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  60. If you prefer one political party over the other, you are a chump.

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  61. Hey, offended Euroweinies, sorry about liberating you from the f*ckin’ Nazis and from keeping the Soviet Union from conquering the western half of you– that was really insensitive of us, please accept our most humble contrition for keeping a whole lot of you from being the treated like the punk bitches you are and probably secretly desire!

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  62. Anon @ 5:50. The Europeans are grateful. The Voldemort Tribe are not. That you think the Euros hold that feeling is the result of a successful campaign to weaken American ethnic affiliation with Europe.

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  63. “One way or another, a clash of classes is coming. The only question is whether we will be lucky enough that the coming civil war is a bloodless one. All bets are off.”

    Christ Almighty.

    The social classes (“American class,” sure, whatever) are and have been in a continual state of clashing, and there isn’t going to be any monumental or fundamental Reckoning beyond the democratic practice that this great country has utilized since before, during, and after the Civil War.

    No conditions presently exist — outside of the delusions of wingnut teabaggers — that portend a new civil war, bloodless or otherwise.

    If entire armies of the Confederacy couldn’t successfully repulse a 19th century centralized government’s will, how are a bunch of disenfranchised-by-reality dumbfucks going to do it?

    Maybe its time to rethink your “I don’t vote” mantra, because you can’t have both impotent rage AND detached “above it all” bemusement. Quit wavering between the two.

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  64. on July 17, 2010 at 5:59 pm Original JB

    As Eric S. Raymond has pointed out, a possible reason why our elites seem so worthless is that the modern world has gotten too complex for them to effectively reason about it.

    http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1551

    Replacing our elites with “less educated elites” wouldn’t be such a problem, if the new elites got the fuck out of the way, devolved as much power to the states and municipalities as possible, and concentrated on doing the remaining few functions of the federal government as effectively as possible.

    The crap we’ve seen in the last year and a half will not stand. I predict that will see a Spending Limit Amendment to the Constitution within the next 8 years, an English-As-Official Language bill in 2013 and a serious attempt to roll back Gramsci through a higher education “Bill Of Rights” (indoctrination liability.) Most of it will be rolled back.

    How, the pessimist might ask? Obama lost reelection the second he took Rahm’s advice not to “let a crisis go to waste.” Propaganda has its limits – this will be apparent in 2012.

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  65. @ Anonymous
    I’m not a euroweiny by any means but I think you should read up on history a bit. It surely wasn’t completely out of the goodness of the US’s heart. As in what it would have meant for the US if either Germany or the USS had won the war or the billions Britain paid the US post war (along with tech ip that was provided at the time), wartime conditions were endured into the fifties to pay this, in fact it was only paid off a few years ago.

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  66. on July 17, 2010 at 6:12 pm Joey Giraud

    What are the tools of our elite? Feminism, equalism, transnationalism

    Ever hear of the Enlightenment ? ( late 18th century ) That’s what set the tone for our democratic republic; egalitarianism. The idea of social equality led to Feminism and the other isms.

    You might not like it, but it’s here. Got a better way to structure society? Start a movement! All hail Dear Leader Chataeu.

    Maybe the intellectual elite promotes equality, but the power elite doesn’t want it.

    [editor: the philosophy of equalism is a bastardization of the legal concept of equality.]

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  67. “the philosophy of equalism is a bastardization of the legal concept of equality.”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/will-self-cannibalization-democracy-only-be-stopped-through-revolution-extinguishing-politic

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  68. on July 17, 2010 at 6:33 pm Gunslingergregi

    Gunslingergregi
    ”””’Since marriage is the family’s fertile seed, government at all levels, along with “mainstream” academics and media, have waged war on it. They legislate, regulate, and exhort in support not of “the family” — meaning married parents raising children — but rather of “families,” meaning mostly households based on something other than marriage. The institution of no-fault divorce diminished the distinction between cohabitation and marriage — except that husbands are held financially responsible for the children they father, while out-of-wedlock fathers are not. The tax code penalizes marriage and forces those married couples who raise their own children to subsidize “child care” for those who do not. Top Republicans and Democrats have also led society away from the very notion of marital fidelity by precept as well as by parading their affairs. For example, in 1997 the Democratic administration’s secretary of defense and the Republican Senate’s majority leader (joined by the New York Times et al.) condemned the military’s practice of punishing officers who had extramarital affairs. While the military had assumed that honoring marital vows is as fundamental to the integrity of its units as it is to that of society, consensus at the top declared that insistence on fidelity is “contrary to societal norms.” Not surprisingly, rates of marriage in America have decreased as out-of-wedlock births have increased. The biggest demographic consequence has been that about one in five of all households are women alone or with children, in which case they have about a four in 10 chance of living in poverty. Since unmarried mothers often are or expect to be clients of government services, it is not surprising that they are among the Democratic Party’s most faithful voters. ”””””’

    ””””’The biggest demographic consequence has been that about one in five of all households are women alone or with children, in which case they have about a four in 10 chance of living in poverty. ”””””

    This is a lie. Single mothers with kids always make above the poverty line in benefits. Now guys on the other hand.

    ”””’The institution of no-fault divorce diminished the distinction between cohabitation and marriage — except that husbands are held financially responsible for the children they father, while out-of-wedlock fathers are not. ”’

    Already brought up. I think he meant alimony for husbands to suport their former wives like they were children and every guy responsible for child support even disable veterans with one limb and one eye.

    ”””’Not being at the table when government makes the rules about how you must run your business, knowing that you will be required to pay more, work harder, and show deference for the privilege of making less money, is the independent businessman’s nightmare. But what to do about it? ””””’

    Move out just like the big corporations when they get a big chunk of cash.

    ”””’The ruling class’s manifold efforts to discredit and drive worship of God out of public life — not even the Soviet Union arrested students for wearing crosses or praying, or reading the Bible on school property, as some U.S. localities have done in response to Supreme Court rulings ””””””

    Been saying that. The shit that was said about the soviets while I was growing up and they had the bombs is the same shit we have been doing to our own people in the us.

    ””””How the county class and ruling class might clash on each item of their contrasting agendas is beyond my scope. Suffice it to say that the ruling class’s greatest difficulty — aside from being outnumbered — will be to argue, against the grain of reality, that the revolution it continues to press upon America is sustainable. For its part, the country class’s greatest difficulty will be to enable a revolution to take place without imposing it. America has been imposed on enough. ”””

    Bloody revolution not really gonna happen from within us that changes shit.

    Just have to understand people living in concentration and forced labor camps and actually working instead of just putting down there shovels and saying fuck off bitch.

    You can kill me but I am not gonna do the work to help your war effort against my country.

    Why I brought up plan before of china just going ahead and exterminating the west. Which would be the lesser of two evils rather than letting the entire planet be overrun by feminism and american style divorce laws.
    I mean when you offer a group to have almost unlimited power and choice and the ability to do whatever they want with no consequences it must be a pretty attractive offer if you also tell them that they will be subsidized as woman have.

    Now if the money really ran out that would be a diferent story. Then yea some change maybe. When they could no longer pay a judge a couple hundred k a year to retire. Then the judge comes back and works a little more and double dips and gets another retirement.

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  69. Ron Paul gets it. No one else does.

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  70. Elites are generally less committed to the community than are lower-level members of the community. Traditionally, the elite has been the point of entry for the Jewish community into the gentile community. The entry is usually facilitated by high-IQ, sophisticated, savvy, etc., outsiders presenting or marketing themselves as having more in common with the elite than the elite’s own “poor relations”.

    The bottom line is that gentile elites have tendencies to act more individualistically or selfishly vis-a-vis their “poor relations” in the lower strata, and indeed would be expected to do so when they can get away with it. And these tendencies are targeted and exploited. This is nothing more than within-group selection operating at the expense of the group under basic principles of multi-level selection theory. Of course, as David Sloan Wilson explains, the enforcement of a moral code is an important foundation of group cohesion, and ideally the moral code works to exert bi-directional social control in stratified societies. Each stratum, ideally, exerts control over adjacent strata to prevent parasitic behavior by group members.

    The Jewish community encourages the gentile elite to engage in more individualistic activity. The Jewish community’s activities tend to interfere with the mechanisms of bidirectional control whereby parasitism at the top by the elite is ameliorated, if not eliminated. When Benjamin Ginsberg (in his book The Fatal Embrace: Jews and the State) speaks of the role of the Jewish community in building the (coercive) “state”, he is essentially referring to a process of centralization of power that consists of the breaking of the organic ties between those who govern and those who are governed.

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  71. The tension between the gentile elite’s egoistic interests and the interests of the group is not created by the Jewish community, and absent genetic uniformity within the community, the principles of evolutionary biology hold that such tension will remain (although where the gentile elite is viewed as genetically similar to the commoners, a greater degree of elite egoism will be tolerated).

    In the absence of a Jewish presence, large stratified gentile communities will not magically or instantaneously become perfectly cohesive and harmonious [though it is worth noting the extraordinary achievements of English civilization in the centuries after the expulsion by Edward I, and the decline that followed widespread intermarriage beginning in the early 19th century (see Hillare Belloc’s “The Jews”) and the Emancipation of the Jews in the same century], but Jewish influence, to the extent it works to break the bonds that tie the community together and that enable the interests of a wayward elite to be reined in, prevents or impedes gentile communities from resolving the tension between “individual” interests and “group” interests.

    Moreover, while greater individualism may in theory be adaptive for the gentile elite, the expression of such greater individualism becomes maladaptive at some point. Regardless of the distinctive or eccentric sub-genes, genes, and gene-combinations (“genetic structures”) that the native elite may possess, the elite members of a community will still share large portions of their genetic structures with the non-elite. That is to say, the evolutionary fate of the elite’s genetic structures is shared to some significant degree with that of the non-elite. Because of this shared (or, more precisely, overlapping) fate, a program of multiculturalism that results in the destruction of the non-elite is ultimately harmful to the elite’s own evolutionary interests, although the exact point at which a multicultural program becomes maladaptive for the elite is more difficult to pinpoint. The hypothesis that multiculturalism somehow emanates from a native elite faces a substantial theoretical problem.

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  72. on July 17, 2010 at 6:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””’The hypothesis that multiculturalism somehow emanates from a native elite faces a substantial theoretical problem.””’

    Not when political corectness is internalized. They will hang there own family no problem as long as it is politically correct.

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  73. on July 17, 2010 at 6:50 pm Cannon's Canon

    jews. jews jews jews jews JEWS JEWS JEWS JEWS JEWS! JEWS! JEWS! JEWS!

    [editor: jews™!]

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  74. Not when political corectness is internalized. They will hang there own family no problem as long as it is politically correct.

    That’s the point. It emanates from an external force and then is internalized by the native elite.

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  75. on July 17, 2010 at 6:56 pm Gunslingergregi

    Just like when you see evil sometimes it is best to exterminate a 100 percent of the roaches than to let one roach live because it was a good roach. The west got to go before it enforces its standards on the whole world and enslaves all men and empowers all woman.

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  76. on July 17, 2010 at 7:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    ahh I see

    Well I came up with my hypothesis for china destroying the us without a jews help. Just common sense and seeing the direction the world is taking. There will be nowhere to run from nanny government at some point. Better for the west to be gone than the whole world lose freedom.

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  77. on July 17, 2010 at 7:10 pm alcestiseshtemoa

    Mohammed lying and stealing from feminists or gullible women — http://althouse.blogspot.com/2010/07/my-friends-and-i-have-even-coined.html

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  78. Coming here and seeing political commentary reminds me of the 80’s sitcoms when they ran a special episode on a regularly funny show. You expected to have a few laughs and a good time. Instead what you got was a P.A. on drugs use, suicide, teen pregnancy etc. The episode ended and one felt unsatisfied, confused. I hope the next episode is not another public announcement. 😦

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  79. on July 17, 2010 at 7:19 pm Gunslingergregi

    And hey in the concentration camps the jews were willing to do manual labor when required just like almost everyone else. Wasn’t some superbrained organism just another guy willing to work himself to death with no balls to say fuck and you. You can beat you can kill me and you can starve me but you ain’t gonna work me.

    Would be an interesting figure to see the percentage on how many men actually said and did fuck you not gonna work.
    See if someone knew this figure then they also know how much human beings are capable of putting up with before they get to the point that they prefer death over doing any more shit. The people worked until they were fucking walking skeletons and then died right?

    Basically the us could round up people like that no prob. Few people would fight it and be killed the rest of the average joes elites and non elites would be working until they were skeletons and died.

    So maybe more in common than we think. Why it all has to go. Divorce laws and any other law that bends people over not gonna change and new laws added every dam day it would seem.

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  80. Dude, if everyone just thought like me, everything would be fine. No, seriously!

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  81. on July 17, 2010 at 7:23 pm Cannon's Canon

    JOOZ! JOOZ! JOOZ! JOOZ!

    (chinese knockoff version)

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  82. Those of us who vote Democrat believe that the Republican politicians promote Big Business.

    Those of us who vote Republican believe that the Democratic politicians promote Big Government.

    Made to believe that the battle is between Big Business and Big Government, we chose the lesser of two evils and cast our ballots.

    We are being played for fools.

    Behind the scenes, it is not Big Business fighting against Big Government, or Big Government fighting against Big Business.

    Don’t be silly. They are working together.

    And the real losers are us, the American citizens and taxpayers. We are the ones being tricked by the spectacle of politics, like the citizens of Rome were distracted by the lions and gladiators.

    Republican leaders and Democratic leaders are working together. They have completely been bought out by multinational corporate interest. And they are just figureheads at this point, with no real power of their own.

    Am I the only one who reads Chris Hedges around here?

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  83. on July 17, 2010 at 8:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””’Cannon’s Canon
    JOOZ! JOOZ! JOOZ! JOOZ!

    (chinese knockoff version)

    ”””’
    lol ok maybe I do that for shock effect he he he
    Every country we make free ends up with divorce laws. Whatcha think chinese gonna do lay down and let us take away the 20 mistresses. But yea maybe they will be led to think it will only hurt the lower guy and then yea no matter where you go there you are no diference in local anymore.

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  84. James—

    You lefty twerp, Roissy tells it like it is. Gender realism and groking the full extent of the lies of cultural Marxism based 2nd wave and later feminism, leads to realizing that essentially of all of the PC taboos are lies constructed by cultural Marxists. Equalist lies. People, the genders, races etc. aren’t equal. We’re complexly diverse.

    The mass entertainment media HAVE been working on taking white men’s masculine self confidence “down a peg” or three for 40 years now, and especially in the last 10 or 20, as the 90s began, and building that up of white women and all minorities. If it was just the later it would be one thing, but it isn’t. They feel that until everyone white men are no longer “over represented” in the elite positions in this country (which white men built, and no I don’t count the grunt labor of other including slaves as being of much importance, dime a dozen), the media’s “light hearted” taking white men (but not Jewish men, who’ve become more prominent in leading man action hero roles of the last decade or two) down a peg or three is “progressive” and cool. Like frogs in a pot ever so slowly brought up to a boil, most white men don’t notice, or only do in more extreme cases.

    I don’t speak as one personally suffering. I’ve made out like a bandit both in green and gash, and had a rather privileged background to boot. Not super duper privileged but I had no college or grad school debt for example. Well the same is true from many poor blacks of full freight scholarships, while middle middle class whites take the shaft.

    The emasculation of boys, or at least white boys, blacks and latino boys tend to be a lot more off limits due to the pushback of “racist, racist, racist”, in schools has become bad. Everywhere it’s about great relative girl achievement, e.g. in math and science, and nowhere is it about greater boy achievement, e.g. in writing and languages. The gifted program in the NYC public schools beginning with kindergarden kids has a verbally loaded test (which will select few boys than on including more math abilities) and further makes kids that age sit still and focus for an hour exam. That will definitely screen more girls than boys, and so that’s just what’s happening now. Even though we know as an established psychometric fact that boys show more varience in IQ, and hence there will be lots more boys with IQ’s at 145 and above than girls. In fact tests often show that the ratio of b/g at this level is 60/40, or that there’s 50% more boys at that level.

    Girls are now about 60% of college student and graduates, guys 40% overall – due to feminists pushing and the left’s (you know people like you James) having supported them, in everywhere creating educational playing fields that tilt strongly in favor of girls. When for a host of reasons if anything for social and family cohesion they should tilt towards guys. Girls do better with lots of little tests, rather than the grade being all about the final exam, or mostly. Guess what, that’s the directions elementary and high school testing has gone the last couple of decades. With all those females as faculty in the nation’s leading teacher’s colleges I wonder why. And on and on and on.

    Oh and though it’s not the topic of this thread, read this James on what it’s like to teach in a heavily black urban school, by someone who’s not a party line PC leftist, or isn’t any longer is more accurate:

    http://martynemko.blogspot.com/2009/06/white-teacher-speaks-out-what-is-it.html

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  85. James–

    Though by all means, stop reading this site, because you’re turned off by all the “right wing nuts”. I.e. those that don’t buy all of PC – or any of it.

    It would serve your right you nerdy lefty loser.

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  86. The only question is whether we will be lucky enough that the coming civil war is a bloodless one. All bets are off.

    I talk regularly with Wall Street guys. Actually, part of my work (the best part…) is actually going out with them to nightclubs and pay the bill with the firm’s credit card.

    All those guys want to move to Brazil. I wrote once in Roosh’s blog that Sao Paulo is superior to NY, and all Americans went insane. Well, the best paid Americans of all agree with me that Rio and Sao Paulo are above NY, at least for those with above average income. I got banned there for that.

    And probably 40% of those guys, at least the Wall Street guys I deal with, are buying properties in the countryside (of the US) for the eventuality that the American Republic falls into chaos.

    I have never been to NY. But I know plenty of people from there. That’s why I say that if what matters the most is the amount of beautiful girls, the quality of nightlife, the restaurants and cultural life , then Sao Paulo is superior to NY. Heck, we even pay lower taxes!!(I paid 17% in income tax…)

    Which just proves my theory. The “superior” Anglo Saxon race performed better because they never had any NAMs around them. Once the white population in NY got equal to Sao Paulo’s in relative terms, Sao Paulo became better than NY.

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  87. on July 17, 2010 at 8:32 pm Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

    You ever read Tom Kratman? Pick up _Caliphate_ or _A Desert Called Peace_ sometime, he goes into the whole degenerate liberal elite power grab thing in pretty graphic detail..

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  88. James —

    An established psychometric fact despite the media lying about it massively by uber snarky feminist style innuendo in the Larry Summers bruhaha. Not many feminist female journalists, right, or much of a white knighting male journalists hallelujah choir?

    Summers was of course entirely right, and it WAS entirely appropriated for him to make the remarks that he did where and when he did.

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  89. on July 17, 2010 at 8:57 pm whorefinder

    Roissy, great article.

    Here’s another one about old sluts on vacation:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1294752/Why-does-middle-aged-woman-think-HER-holiday-seducer-real-deal.html

    The writer makes a good point: many of the women who fall for foreigners while on vacation aren’t “dumb” women and many have had career success; many are also smart enough to know about the trend of targeting women on vacation without a man. Yet they all fall for it.

    It’s a classic head v. heart (and loins) argument: though they logically know the men are playing them, their heart and loins override their tiny female brains until the siren call of “romance” forces them onto their backs and into their wallets.

    Its why game works; it targets instinct and emotion rather than logic. And they love you for it.

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  90. on July 17, 2010 at 8:58 pm Thrilla Gorilla

    Sorry, but yawn.

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  91. on July 17, 2010 at 9:08 pm Cannon's Canon

    A new, yet old, paradigm bubbles in the cauldron of collective thought.

    England 1290
    Spain 1492

    free polanski and crucify mel gibson

    i’m off to go try to sire a mischling fetus inside a lawyer who would surely have it sucked out (my equalism for the week)

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  92. on July 17, 2010 at 9:16 pm Sad Brazilian

    You guys think someone with 5, 10 million is the elite? Plz…
    Think hundreds of billions, perhaps trillions. Those people have no country.
    Research Bilderberg Group, New World Order.
    You Americans fight with each other while the globalists are eating you alive.

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  93. The eternal challenge in politics is to expand the circle of people who play on your team. It takes little skill to recruit your blood kin. It takes a little more to get several semi-related clans to work together. Merely saying you would rather have the task of arranging cooperation among a collection of people with lots in common is like saying you prefer hitting pitches that are slow and straight. So what, you like things to be easy.
    You want to live in a big country that fears nothing? Then learn to get along with the largest possible range of people.

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  94. on July 17, 2010 at 10:45 pm almost 40 year old virgin

    “What is the conscious motivation of our elite? Religious utopianism.”
    That´s the neatest description I ever read about the Luciferism and satanic practices of our REAL ruling Elites.

    Sounds almost too cute. You sure on which side you stand?

    Though you rabid atheism/Darwinism coupled with the all prevalent Machiavellian attitude leave sadly not much room for hope.

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  95. Although many would like to find a convenient scapegoat and blame them for the decline of gentile morality, with all due respect you should look to traitors within the Christian movement, namely Anglicans who at the Lambeth conference argued that artificial contraception should be allowed in marriage and won.

    Depending on your perspective, its either the beginning of nirvana, or its been all downhill ever sense. Pope Pius XI promulgated the encyclical Casti Connubii which foretold all of the evil that would enter the world when the unitive and procreative aspects of sex were separated from one another.

    If you examine feminism and pua doctrine they share one common feature – to get sex with the minimum reciprocal commitment. If you look at feminism, one of its basic aims is to give a woman the ability to drive a man/husband/father out of the house if he has the temerity to assert his rightful position as head of the household. Once a woman has gotten the high-quality genetic material of an alpha and passed it on to her offspring does she really need the man around anymore, especially if he is masculine, annoying and tries to run things?

    PUA are aware of this milieu and try to get sex without risking the legal stumbling blocks associated with marriage.

    In other words, contraception, which was viewed as a positive technology and would enable marrieds to control reproduction, has set men and women at enmity where each sex, instead of working for a common end, try to take advantage of members of the other sex. You can’t blame gentile’s favorite scapegoat for the negative consequences of contraception.

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  96. It’s over.

    Sometimes (read: always) I wish the Nazis would have won the war.

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  97. Roissy,

    Ideally, what comprehensive and practical measures would you undertake to “repair” western civilization if you had subtle control of politics, media, economics, military and religious powers?

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  98. Roissy, you get the addresses and I’ll get the meat cleavers….

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  99. Nixon was right!

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  100. Capt. O:

    I don’t think you read Roissy closely enough.

    Many are the times he bemoans the fact that he sees no pursuit worthy of his time in the world that’s been laid out for him aside from hedonism.

    You spend your time immersed in a tiny little world which you rule over. It’s only natural that when you step outside, into a world where forces play upon a truly immense stage, playing millions like you against each other as if they were plastic army men that you’d wish for their fall. You feel buffeted by a storm on a sea of frustration, jerked around by forces you can neither bargain with nor (usually) understand fully. Every stock scandal, corporate bailout, BS war, stupidly unfair thing makes every fiber of your being ache.

    Honestly I don’t see it quite that bad yet. Before the fall of Rome, there were many times they predicted its imminent fall when it still had a good 200 years to go. You’re taking what I’d say is a 10% chance of failure and inflating it into a 99% chance.

    You’re being dominated by others. And you don’t like it.

    That’s what this is really about.

    Look at someone’s actions, not their words, to read their intentions.

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  101. U guyz wrote,

    You say this as if Machiavelli hadn’t written The Prince ~500 years ago. It has always been this way, always will.

    [editor: the wilting flowers and moralists among us sometimes need the reminder.]

    You mean Suetonius, 2000 years ago. Anyway.

    This post appears to be premised on two assumptions:

    1. that high ranking politicians constitute the core of the ruling class in the US

    and

    2. their statements to other political officials overseas are indicative of what they really believe.

    Both are mistaken.

    Roissy couldn’t be more right when he says that politicians are fundamentally motivated by power. But power is most thoroughly invested in capital. No one can run for office without massive financial support from private concentrations of capital. And no can get that support without promising to serve the interests of those donors — be they corporations, lobbying firms, or major financial institutions — once elected into office.

    Consequently, what politicians say is virtually meaningless — they’ll say whatever they think is most conducive to consolidating and preserving their power and privilege, which is contingent upon the audience at hand and the broader political climate. What matters is what they do. Just ask any leftist in the US how congruent Obama’s grandiose liberal rhetoric is with his conduct as president. Guantanomo is still open, indefinite detention is still maintained as a legitimate policy, amped-up predator drone strikes in Pakistan claim untold lives, the military-industrial complex grinds on. You don’t have to be a Marxist to see that this is all about the $$$ and has nothing to fucking do with religious utopianism, egalitarianism, or anything like that.

    Apropos the anecdotes about our ruling elite’s disparaging remarks about “average Americans,” remember Louis Heron’s famous line —

    “When a politician tells you something in confidence, always ask yourself, Why is this lying bastard lying to me now?

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  102. (Btw, I didn’t mean to suggest that Suetonius wrote The Prince, just that his The Twelve Caesars is where the notion that “power is an end to itself, and the instinctive urge to prevail the most important single human trait, the necessary force without which no city was built, no city destroyed–” takes off in Western political thought.)

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  103. Also, since Roissy invoked class struggle, I urge you all to (re)visit a classic and sadly neglected text on the subject.

    ; )

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  104. on July 18, 2010 at 2:16 am Backdoor Man

    Here’s my problem. Everytime I get fed up with the vapid, self-important pussies in “official” DC who have never faced hardship, I start romanticizing the working-class folks in my transitional DC neighborhood and the rural folks in the heartland, where I grew up. The wisdom of the common folk, I say, is where we should turn for guidance.

    But then, I realize that the poor people in my neighborhood are really only looking for shortcuts and handouts, and the people of the heartland, as honest and hard-working as they are, are really fucking provincial and don’t know anything.

    It’s hard to live in both worlds.

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  105. Meh. What Antoninus said!

    Besides of couse Betas hate the thought of civilisation collapsing because their chances of living in barbarian society are slim to none. Should civilisation fall apart then it’s the true Alpha’s time to shine. It’s a time where not only where “might makes right” but “brutal ruthlessness allows to live another day”. The quirk of women in civilised society who like uber-Alpha violent behaviour even though it seems illogical is perfectly logical in a barbarian age. The strongest, most violent, impulsive men are the rulers and sissy Beta/Om3ga white knights barely survive infancy. Since high civilisation has been the exception to history and humans have evolved from violence it has been innate that women prefer the men with the biggest balls.

    On the other hand, everyone has observed since ancient times that all societies go from a cycle of birth to flourishing to entitlement to collapse to choas to birth again.

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  106. @HR Lincoln
    Codevilla’s article is spot-on. Missing from his analysis is the reality of the role that suffrage for women has played in catapaulting us to our present state of affairs. Women are, fundmentally, security-seeking creatures who will swap out liberty in favor of security time and time again; worldwide, women tend to vote left.

    The federal income tax. Social security. Medicare. The welfare state. Massive spending on higher education. An explosion of high-compensation public sector employment. The welfare state. Health care entitlements. Radical environmentalism. Amnesty for illegal immigrants. Erosion of private property rights. Gun control. Etc.
    NONE of it could have been conceiveable without women voters.

    I think he deliberately wanted to avoid the subject to be seen as serious. It is still taboo to criticize women’s political choices openly. You are of course 110% correct. Women’s suffrage is the enemy of a free society. Its not unlike giving children the right to vote. Voting should be limited to propertied men who have served in the military.

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  107. @Dave:

    Good find. I had forgotten what a god speaker Nixon was and how often he was right. Especially on foreign policy. It was little more than a huge witch hunt to absolve the Democrats of their own guilt at starting Viet Nam that they prosecuted Watergate so vigorously while simultaneously blaming Nixon for it. Most people today think Nixon started Viet Nam because there is so much historical revision in the Progressive cannon of events. Perhaps its not too late after all for the Silent majority. I’m tired of the progressive minority to be sure.

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  108. @Patrick:

    If entire armies of the Confederacy couldn’t successfully repulse a 19th century centralized government’s will, how are a bunch of disenfranchised-by-reality dumbfucks going to do it?

    Maybe its time to rethink your “I don’t vote” mantra, because you can’t have both impotent rage AND detached “above it all” bemusement. Quit wavering between the two.

    Because the armies the elites would need to defend themselves are made up of the people who would rebel. Most US soldiers would not fire on their own people and the army would mutiny to the rebel’s cause. Most military men hold Progressives in utter contempt.

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  109. Will you Americans hurry up and have your damned revolt already.

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  110. A sanctimonious nomenklatura delighted with it’s own virtue. New Class, tranzis, olympians, bobos. ‘Elites are always at war with their own populations’.

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  111. OT:

    I would like to point the readership to Maureen Dowd’s article in the NYT. I think her head would explode if someone told her that she used to be currency and that only through the ideals of the Catholic Church is she valuable for something besides the child bearing potential of her cunt.

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  112. […] Roissy links to an insightful article on the growing divide between rulers and ruled Never has there been so little diversity within America’s upper crust. Always, in America as elsewhere, some people have been wealthier and more powerful than others. But until our own time America’s upper crust was a mixture of people who had gained prominence in a variety of ways, who drew their money and status from different sources and were not predictably of one mind on any given matter. The Boston Brahmins, the New York financiers, the land barons of California, Texas, and Florida, the industrialists of Pittsburgh, the Southern aristocracy, and the hardscrabble politicians who made it big in Chicago or Memphis had little contact with one another. Few had much contact with government, and “bureaucrat” was a dirty word for all. So was “social engineering.” Nor had the schools and universities that formed yesterday’s upper crust imposed a single orthodoxy about the origins of man, about American history, and about how America should be governed. All that has changed. […]

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  113. No matter how people vote, they will find they have voted for more and bigger government. When they voted for Obama, it was reasonably interpreted as a vote for more government and more regulation. When they voted for Bush, it was unreasonably interpreted as vote for more government and more regulation.

    They voted for Clinton, the country moved left. They voted for Bush, the country moved left, they voted for Obama, the country moved left, and if they vote for Sarah Palin, the country will still move left.

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  114. We did not get more government because they gave women the vote, nor because they gave non property owners the vote. They gave women the vote to justify more government. Similarly with the flood of Mexicans.

    Growth of government is not driven by ideology, or even political institutions, rather ideology is driven by the government’s need to justify the growth of government.

    Government originates in a stationary bandit, a bandit king, a bandit so successful he deters or exterminates all competition. The government at first consists of little more than the bandit himself. Taxation consists of him suggesting that the eminent give him and his boys land and money, thus taxes, though capricious and erratic, are quite low. Laws are few, verging on nonexistent, but enforced with brutal efficiency, the main law being that no one else does any banditry.

    All organizations tend to fall apart. It is simply difficult to have a large bunch of people efficiently coordinated. Organizations that are actually effective originate in intense competition, and sooner or later are apt to decay – the Peter Principle, Parkinson’s Law, etc.

    Absent intense competition, they decay very badly indeed.

    Over time bureaucrats, laws, taxes, quasi governmental organizations, and regulations multiply like vermin. Eventually, laws, taxes and meddling bureaucrats become a serious burden, and the bureaucrats face the need to persuade everyone that a horde of bureaucrats is a good thing.

    The left is the bureaucracy’s PR apparatus – a collection of government sock puppets, astroturf. Its mission is to persuade us that six hundred pounds of fat is a healthy and handsome physique, and that government has never been better, that more laws are good for you, the government is here to help you, and more government will help you more. Thus from time to time the story about what government is good for changes, yet the central theme, that government is good for you, never changes.

    Ever since the original bandit chieftain, government has moved ever further leftwards, and will always move ever further leftwards until checked by crisis and collapse, or reformed by internal totalitarian terror, “left” being whatever rationalization justifies more government.

    The ruling class cannot make a non property rights based system work for such a system needs a central plan and a central planner, a Stalin who when screw ups occurred would shoot lots of people until screw ups stopped occurring. The Brahmin order is socialism without a central plan, a social order guaranteed to be economically disastrous.

    Zimbabwe, not the Soviet Union, is the end state of the Brahmin social order, because although all Brahmins are sincerely full of good intentions (you cannot get to be an insider, part of the Brahmin inner party, unless you are sincerely full of good intentions) no particular Brahmin is actually responsible for giving effect to any one particular good intention, nor responsible for outcomes that fall spectacularly short of all this goodness they desire.

    Recall that the SEC investigated Madoff and blessed him. A congressional committee summoned the leading lights of the SEC and asked them various questions about their relationship with Madoff, which questions they refused to answer, putting themselves in contempt of congress. Nothing happened to them, which tells us how regulation of the financial system is going to work. It will work the same way as it has been working.

    The financial system will continue to leak money at rates that will eventually result in collapse, because there is no one with any power who has any strong interest in stopping the leaks.

    But though there is a lot of ruin in a nation, the end is in sight.

    Trees do not grow to the sky. That which cannot continue, will stop. The world’s money cannot be issued and operated from a place where property rights are insecure, cannot be operated from a place where someone like Sotomayor can beseriously nominated to the supreme court.

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  115. “What is the conscious motivation of our elite? Religious utopianism.”

    Yes. So many of the core precepts of elite liberalism are faith-based and irrational. They have invented a new religion. This can’t be stressed enough.

    “What are the tools of our elite? Feminism, equalism, transnationalism.”

    I’m surprised at your use of “equalism.” A google search reveals no clear definition of the term. This blogger seems to think equalism is about being science oriented and rational.

    http://www.equalismactivism.com/?page_id=2

    What exactly to you mean by it?

    [editor: equalism is the political manifestation of the philosophy of blank slatism. it is a belief that all men are born equal under biology as well as the law, and that any inequality or disparate social value is the result of malevolent actions by the oppressor (read: successful) class, and must be rectified by whatever means necessary.]

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  116. I’m wondering if a possible solution to the overly big and powerful federal government would be to give states more autonomy. That way different states could enact different laws and taxation rates and people could move to where they would most benefit and fit in. The United States is so big and diverse it is really hard to make one set of policies that work for everyone. I think Thor suggested this and it seems like a good idea.

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  117. Laura-

    In principle I agree with you, but why would the federal gov’t voluntarily weaken itself? Don’t forget, this is the body that decides its own level of compensation.

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  118. […] The Ruling Class Vs The American Class « Citizen Renegade […]

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  119. on July 18, 2010 at 9:53 am tepid beta spooge

    The exchanges cited to me just reek of cowardly avoidance and gladhanding. I dont really take any deeper meaning out of those exchanges. Just leaders not wanting to create awkward moments.

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  120. I personally don’t have too much a problem with a ruling elite as long as they have their own people’s best interest in mind. England has the royal family and yet I think they are known for being extremely loyal to the British people. For example Queen Elizabeth stayed in London during the blitz, when she could have easily been moved to a safer place, to show her commitment to the people.

    Paul,
    They probably won’t relinquish power unless they are forced to.

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  121. It ends when the money runs out.

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  122. “It’s an outright fiasco that the USA doesn’t have a third party… and probably needs a fourth or fifth party as well.”

    –I’ve been crying this ever since I tuned 18. Of course I didn’t really know what the hell I was talking about until 24 or so.

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  123. “You only have power over people so long as you don’t take everything away from them. But when you’ve robbed a man of everything he’s no longer in your power — he’s free again.”

    –Alexander Solzhenitsyn

    “Those in possession of absolute power can not only prophesy and make their prophecies come true, but they can also lie and make their lies come true.”

    –Eric Hoffer

    “Power corrupts the few, while weakness corrupts the many. The resentment of the weak does not spring from any injustice done to them but from the sense of their inadequacy and impotence. They hate not wickedness but weakness. When it is in their power to do so, the weak destroy weakness wherever they see it.”

    –Eric Hoffer

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  124. on July 18, 2010 at 11:29 am Backdoor Man

    As long as politicians are elected by a plurality of voters in single-member districts (SMDP system), there will never be more than two dominant political parties. For there to be more than two significant parties in the U.S., you need a proportional representation (PR) system or some variant thereof. The way the votes are counted determines how parties form. That’s basic political science…..

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  125. on July 18, 2010 at 12:45 pm 9, The Editor

    Mossberg option, guys…Seriously, unplug from all media as they lie to everyone. Get ready to really work e.i. farming, and/or keep those passports handy.

    As for where to go? I don’t know where, anymore…

    (if you don’t know what the mossberg option is, it is profoundly sad and you ain’t a fighter to begin with)

    ** feminism ruined everything country**

    Lock and load, protect and defend stand up or get the hell outta the way.

    thelp999

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  126. on July 18, 2010 at 12:48 pm 9, The Editor

    I felt the need to share this on voxday’s page, I will share it here:

    http://exiledonline.com/americas-dead-souls-8-reasons-to-hate-our-billionaire-bolsheviks/

    Now, I cannot go repeating anything that was already mentioned above…”It was already said”…

    I hope no one minds, its a old read but a important one…

    thelp999

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  127. on July 18, 2010 at 1:00 pm 9, The Editor

    @ Mark D. the money was already stolen – Americans are “blood bags” (a Alex Jones reference) to fund the global elites. Americas purpose is for cash and that is it. The average intel crowd is kept busy with game, toys and frankenmedia BS like (hollywierds) Lindsay or Mel.

    America is broke. I talk about it every darn day on my blog, I reference thehill.com and other news pages doing story after story of “failing cities and states”. The house and senate writes supplemental bills to pay for social prorgams, the wars, EUC ( that is unemployment insurnace), etc. State after state is having huge financial problems, widespread stagnant unemployment as the senate/congress dithers.

    It is a leadership abomination.

    What to look for? I dont know, maybe:

    Look for the PPT plunge protection team to alter the market or any stock market burps up and down. Look for another crisis like oil spills, Iran…something to utilize FEMA for.

    Then all us gold nuts will be confirmed as correct – Yes, I know, the “gold bust”, some are talking about that. I don’t beleive it. You shoulda been buying gold when it was $200 to $500…

    Some believe or hope Switzerland would be safe…anyways, cheers amongst the negative talk, thelp999

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  128. You should have already really worked and used your passport if you have been believing it is going to shit and made your loved ones ok.

    Then when shit hits the fan or the shitty law passes that goes over your threshold for bullshit you can come back to be the dispenser of justice for your bros left behind.

    Either way life ain’t that great be nice to be given an excuse worth acting on.

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  129. “Don’t he realize that if this country ever turned hard-right, the supply of easy, young pussy would try up faster than dead cat baking in the Arizona sun?”

    It will get easier to get if we are shooting at each other too. More men fighting and killing each other = more favorable male female ratios for us guys. Look at russia, that ratio isn’t hurting Russian men. Plus lots of women will fuck a guy in uniform.

    Imagine for a second, an America recovering from a civil war. It would mean that we couldn’t support government as daddy and husband substitute programs, we wouldn’t have the wealth to spend money supporting people who couldn’t hack it on their own, and multi-culturalism would be a thing of the past. The systemic pillars that enable women to be bitchy and overly entitled would be gone, herb men would have been killed off, fewer men means more choice for the alphas left standing. It could concievably lead to American women being forced to be more feminine, thin, and un-entitled. Imagine that for a second, a not bitchy, feminine, thin American woman. That sounds great to me. Hell if we got lucky polygamy would be legitimized too.

    Without cultural homogeneaity(sp?) it is only a matter of time before seccession movements start to gain influence and attraction. Once that happens either we will fight each other to preserve the union, or we will let each other go. Either way we will have our class struggle…

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  130. NO civil war is bloodless or “civil”.

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  131. Republican and Democrats are different paths to the same end.

    The last 90 years have been a meandering path into the abyss, pushed along by both parties.

    Ron Paul and Libertarians are your best bet for freedom.

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  132. Germany not a bad place they at least have some checks and balances on pussy. Sure a woman can say no to her husband for sex but the next minute whether he looks good or not has game or not he can legally go to a prostitute in the red light district and get sex. Or a guy can date around but his balls are relieved of pressure if he wants. So the woman are not retaining a monopoly on pussy like in the us.

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  133. Tyrone:

    Because the armies the elites would need to defend themselves are made up of the people who would rebel. Most US soldiers would not fire on their own people and the army would mutiny to the rebel’s cause. Most military men hold Progressives in utter contempt.

    You’re out of your fucking mind. Reality isn’t a Harry Turtledove novel where you get to selectively revise facts to make an interesting story/delusion.

    Also, quit speaking for the army and “most military men,” when you clearly have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Even if we grant your unfounded statement as true, it doesn’t follow that anybody in our current military believes in usurping civilian control of either the military or the government.

    Your eliminationist fantasies are ripe with impotent rage.

    If you really believe that the US military and our government’s security apparatus would abandon their duty to protect the officers of government against a mob of violent civilians, you need to go fuck yourself into some semblance of sanity.

    The US ain’t Kyrgyzstan.

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  134. on July 18, 2010 at 2:49 pm Smashing_Retards

    All this talk is meaningless. America has decayed past the point of no return.

    The most viewed you-tube video ever:

    Did Justina dye her hair special for that song?

    I was only sure Justina Bieber was a boy.. with a high voice and pretty face… when I saw her try to pick up some women.

    She sure makes a good looking girl though:

    http://funnyjunk.com/showcomment/3400174/

    The problem is, American women are finding this teen-boy-girl attractive.

    To bad Justina is going to hit the wall hard in a few years when all that post-puberty testerone going through her body causes her to lose her pretty features.

    Justina should probably have herself neutered if she wants her career to last.

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  135. Yo, Patrick, so what do you think would happen when the breakdown occurs? It is not IF, it is WHEN.

    ETA, between spring 2011 an spring 2012. While people are talking about double dip, the actual graph would look like one dip and one abyss. An economical wipeout. Whether intended or rather a systemic (29th day scenario), it will happen, and there is really nothing no one can do anything about it at this point.

    But you may think I am pulling your leg. So, consider it a hypothetical and give it your best shot!

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  136. Boooooringgg.

    So when are we getting back to regular programing? Beating off would be a better use of your time.

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  137. Laura:

    I personally don’t have too much a problem with a ruling elite as long as they have their own people’s best interest in mind.

    Earth to Laura, Earth to Laura!
    That is a planet far, far away, whatitsname.
    Earth… There was never any elite that had their own people’s interests on mind. Always their best interest first, and if perchance people’s interests coincide, they can even feel very good about themselves in those rare instances.

    For example Queen Elizabeth stayed in London during the blitz, when she could have easily been moved to a safer place, to show her commitment to the people.

    Not a queen yet, she was a starry eyed idealistic young woman, though with a pedigree and elitist worldview.

    They probably won’t relinquish power unless they are forced to.

    Ya think?

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  138. on July 18, 2010 at 3:17 pm 9, The Editor

    I just got a email saying I mis wrote a error:

    “The average intel crowd is kept busy with game, toys and frankenmedia BS like (hollywierds) Lindsay or Mel”.

    “ball games” was the correct word…The frankenmedia’s diversions are so annoying to me I start to do typos…

    I just want to know when the media, this cartoonish bunch of rat bastard motherfucking liars we call the mainstream media (MSM) will quit lying to us?? When?

    All the talking heads try to keep the populace dumbed down and happy on fake good news. This is no recovery…

    The CBO – THE CBO is saying cap and trade is bad idea, the unemployment numbers are staying that way and double dips are coming.

    Ah, that is it, back to thinking about make up, boys and which hair conditioner to buy…

    ALERT, ALERT, its the CBO for petes sake.

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  139. BSD, may you live in interesting times!

    In fact, I can guarantee you that in less than 18 months, your boredom will be cured. Perhaps with everlasting consequences. Not sure about the bliss component, the boredom termination may be a tad lacking in that department.

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  140. Laura’s comment goes to the heart. Women love princes, kings, nobility, hunky vampires who are old but look young, shirtless werewolves, and rich preppies.

    The support of the elite is gender based. Women want men all frozen in amber, status wise. Its easy to pick out the Alpha — he’s the Prince, or Rupert Murdoch’s son. Women HATE HATE HATE having to pick out a guy who may or may not slide up or down in Alpha dom. Hence their enthusiastic support for the Elites and a ruling class. Pretty much all women, pretty much all the time.

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  141. @Patrick:

    Are you in the military? I was and I have worked for them for over twenty years. I see soldiers every day and talk to them often. I know what I’m talking about. You would be facing mutinies in a short time if our military were turned on civilians they saw as members of their own society. I don’t even think our senior officers would turn guns on US civilians. Also, what makes you think armed resistance would be a mob? I think it would be more like the Taliban. So unless you’re serving now above the rank of PFC or are a veteran, you can kiss my ass.

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  142. Whiskey, wish the world was that simple… just key an equation on your sci calc and viola!
    BTW, does a bell curve ring any bells?

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  143. @Will
    (Btw, I didn’t mean to suggest that Suetonius wrote The Prince, just that his The Twelve Caesars is where the notion that “power is an end to itself, and the instinctive urge to prevail the most important single human trait, the necessary force without which no city was built, no city destroyed–” takes off in Western political thought.)

    You can push this back further and see it in Polybius: though he was more moralistic in tone. His life of Antony hit on this.

    And if you really want to see it, try Xenophon and his Education of Cyrus.

    What you’re talking about was a well-articulated principle in the classical world, if not everywhere, especially in societies that were rigidly ranked but faced occasional crisis-like flexibility where leaders could emerge from any class (like the “barbarian” Persians assuming control over their rivals the Medes etc. and founding the Persian Empire). This was especially true in societies that kept slaves.

    The escaped slave that did well was a fascination: Spartacus (and his easy defeat of the first armies sent against him) was seen as more than just a released animal, but a dangerous model and refutation of the idea that some people were inherently superior by birth or nature or social status: that a slave was, in fact, human, and could become a leader of people – and enemy of nations – as much as anyone else. And that all people aspire to power, influence and wealth.

    It made putting him down as a lesson to the uppity slaves even more important, and therefore required sending out full consular armies and extremes in punishment.

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  144. On the US military:

    Anyone who thinks the US military is going to side with a bunch of white Americans who want to create some sort of white racist ethno-state somewhere in Middle America or in Colorado is delusional.

    The military will follow the orders of the government. It’s not going to fracture. It’s not 1860 and the army is absolutely loyal and centralized.

    They’ll back the government every step of the way. If it comes down to it, they’ll shoot, starve and lock out regular civilians, too. Masses of refugees could be wandering the land, and they’d back the government or the reigning power.

    Anyone who thinks otherwise is going to be left absolutely alone at the barricades when the people don’t rise up with you and the army comes out to do the shooting.

    Americans are absurdly militaristic in the sense that we have a powerful military culture we revere. But this military culture doesn’t necessarily serve the people in the way we think it does: the military will always back the government or whatever force offers stability. There’s no sign that this has ever changed, despite the cavalier way the government has treated the armed forces.

    In any violent situation right-wing nutjobs are dreaming about, there are going to be dozens of microfactions and barely armed militias facing off against a well-organized, trained, well-equipped killing force.

    And the actual *army* in a face-down conflict would slaughter without serious resistance any armed population of Guys with Guns. No matter how well-armed a population is, an army is always able to hack to pitiless extinction any militia that attempts to defend itself. The best a militia can hope to do is marginally delay the approach of any army or offer up sporadic resistance to an occupying force. So having a few suburban dudes with rifles will make no difference: They’ll just get killed a lot faster.

    All this macho talk about forming resistance cells and camps and whatever is malarky. It’s guys with too much testosterone and who have steroidal fantasies.

    1) The army will butcher any conceivable resistance without hesitation
    2) The army will have no difficulty doing this. Any resistance will result in more extreme methods that will absolutely work. Most of the population will support such actions as necessary.
    3) The opposition will be very divided, weak and ineffectual
    4) The resulting chaos will invite more support for any central governing authority from the general populace.

    Before anyone calls for revolution, remember this: The army that can roll over Iraq like a steamroller (if not effectively occupy it) can crush domestic resistance at home far more effectively.

    Dreams. Testosterone dreams.

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  145. on July 18, 2010 at 5:24 pm greatbooksformen

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    if i were you i’d read some great books for men

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    they’ll be around long after bernanke has butthexed the fia dollar down 2 0–long after the weekly standard no longer publsihes and promotes and tucker ma’s lies and the lies and hype of secretive tapers of butthex without the gilrths conthent lzozlolzozozo

    read da greats lololol

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  146. on July 18, 2010 at 5:29 pm greatbooksformen

    remember how jonah goldberg with the fat face cherubic cheeks siad women tame men?

    lozolzozlzozll

    they do!!

    http://cbs2chicago.com/local/chicago.ridge.woman.2.1806603.html

    Cathleen M. Miller, 40, is charged with criminal sexual assault and criminal sexual abuse, accused of molesting four of her daughter’s 14- and 15-year-old male friends and giving them alcohol and marijuana.

    Chicago Ridge Police Department

    http://cbs2chicago.com/local/chicago.ridge.woman.2.1806603.html

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  147. on July 18, 2010 at 5:46 pm Tupac Chopra

    Cannon:

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  148. Timitz, if the infrastructure that currently supports plastic surgeons and the cosmetics and diet industry is gone, women won’t be thin.

    Young women under 25 will be thin, and there won’t be many superfat women (or men) anymore, but most will look like FLDS women…

    Black ones will look like this:

    (an improvement, in my opinion)

    …and here are some Mexicans:

    This is what women who are relatively well kept, eating natural food, and not getting nipped and tucked look like. If you find that attractive, then it’ll be good news. If you’re a porn addicted nancyboy like way too many American guys, life will suck for you.

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  149. A bloodless war? Ah, but that is always what people want, especially city people. No risk, no chance of failure, and certainly no discomfort. Hey, maybe we could watch american idol while someone else fights for us? OH NO, you poor city boys might actually get a callus, or break a nail!!! Can I wear an armani suit during the revolution?

    It’s all related – all this talk about being an alpha, a leader of men. Then you guys want to run off to australia, or tahiti, or wherever when things get rough. This behavior is a disgrace to our country, and its a disgrace to our people.

    Political power begins at the barrel of a gun. If a man isn’t willing to fight for what he wants, he’s worse than useless.

    .

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  150. @Tyrone
    Are you in the military? I was and I have worked for them for over twenty years.

    My brother and several relatives are in the military. One is a lieutenant, another an air force pilot, one was a marine for 12 years. I have no end of family members connected in some way to the armed forces.

    They may not love the President of the day, but all of them are as patriotic and knee-jerk unthinkingly loyal as anyone. There’s diversity of opinion, but it gets buried awfully quick. They’re not loyal to a particular president: They’re loyal to the idea. And the idea, even during troubles, will die hard; it may even have more sticking power when things are bad.

    I see soldiers every day and talk to them often. I know what I’m talking about. You would be facing mutinies in a short time if our military were turned on civilians they saw as members of their own society.

    But this isn’t how it would happen. They’re not going to be asked to shoot their own families or neighbors. There may be violent revolutionaries wandering the hills. The moment these people take up arms and start occupying towns and cordoning off areas for their own followers’ use, the army will stop seeing them as friendly neighbors and start seeing them as armed revolutionaries.

    I’m not describing reactions against Soviet-style indiscriminate slaughter. I’m talking about responses to public disorder by militants. Just look at cops at protests: No matter who’s protesting, cops always tend to the extreme. They rarely show mercy.

    It’s what they do. Men with guns.
    It’s absurdly easy to take such men and direct them against an enemy, even if the enemy is close to home, often moreso. This has been proven time and time again. It’s the risk you have when you HAVE an army.

    Just look at any Latin state and see how many coups, disappearances, “assumptions of power” and “anti-Corruption initiatives” have happened in the last 100 years. Armies are just as happy to take arms against their own people as anyone else.

    If we want an army, we should know that there’s no way we’re going to be able to resist it: We just have to control it. Hence we need to control our government.

    I don’t even think our senior officers would turn guns on US civilians. Also, what makes you think armed resistance would be a mob? I think it would be more like the Taliban. So unless you’re serving now above the rank of PFC or are a veteran, you can kiss my ass.

    And the Taliban American-style would be hunted down with as much determination, if not more. They’re not going to be asked to start randomly killing people in L.A.

    Seriously, these dreams of a Second American Revolution are born of some hollywood fantasy. It’ll never happen the way people imagine. It’ll be crushed and beaten down with vicious efficiency.

    Open violent resistance would result in a thousand Wacos – and the government already has the media on its side when it comes to keeping and maintaining order.

    The only real solution is to maintain a positive vector for society *now*.

    If we’re unwilling to do this and all end up whining endlessly and wishing for the Apocalypse in our helplessness, then we absolutely deserve every bad thing that’s going to happen to us. Every single one.

    We have a mechanism for preventing this kind of shit. None of us are actually using it or we’re too stupid to do use it properly. It’s called Democracy. It’s funny, but we’re blessed with a brilliant democratic system and one of the least democratic populations in the Western world. Most of our ills we brought on ourselves and refuse to deal with it. Half of us – black and white, Jewish and not – spend our waking hours coming up with far-fetched conspiracy theories to explain why X group doesn’t have enough power or even why Y group exists at all.

    We submit to life on credit because we want to buy useless shit. We force our government to overextend itself, and we complain about other peoples’ entitlements, but never our own, and we all get something from the toxic deal with the devil. We bitch about feminism but let these harpies and maginas run our universities. We don’t complain. Black Americans refuse to face up to the criminal elements of their own culture; white Americans are blinded to their cornucopia of weaknesses so that they just sit around blaming everyone else. Hispanic people squeeze in through the cracks and wonder what the fuss is all about.

    Conservatives are blinded by hypocritical religious ideologies and can’t think their way past their own contradictions. Liberals are blinded by utopian fantasies that bear no relation to reality. Some conservatives are blinded by self-serving greed raised to a moral code. Jews are Evil. It’s all because of Blacks. Hispanics are invading. Whatever.

    All of us sit back and watch the Tragedy of the Commons play out, not one of us ever standing up and saying, People: This is Our Ship, and We’re Letting It Sink.

    The American people aren’t qualified to run a world empire. Americans are among the world’s least traveled people. We’re hopelessly provincial and narrow-minded. Our urbanites think there’s no land between JFK and LAX; the country folk in between get hives when someone who looks marginally different moves in next door. We’re ignorant to the point of embarrassment: the average Aussie or Canuck knows far more about the world and the US than most Americans do. How many Americans can name every American state and place them on a map? Place Mexico or Canada? Cuba? Japan?

    When I travel abroad, the overpowering ignorance of other Americans abroad never, ever ceases to stun me into shamed silence. We’re so collectively stupid we don’t even know how stupid we are.

    Seriously, after a trip to Canada, the overwhelming impression I got from Canadians was this: Americans are good people, but kind-of retarded and amazingly badly educated. And politically 1) extreme and 2) hypocritical.

    I got the same view in Korea, China (and this takes the cake: You don’t get more provincial than the Chinese), Australia and any European country. The average German is a hundred times more knowledgeable than the Average American and more able to deal with complex issues with lots of variables. We just want to reduce everything down to one or two basic causes and say: it’s because of X.

    If we have these problems we think we do, then exactly all of the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the average American. There’s no-one else who can take responsibility, not secret cabals of Jews or White scientists inventing diseases or groups of Communists in the American government operating a Star Chamber of nightmares.

    We don’t take responsibility for shit and we want all the rights in the world.

    So this whole process is a judgment of *us*. History is judging us, and we’ll change this only when we admit our own responsibility and start listening to each other.

    This includes listening to the Liberals and the Feminists and, instead of launching frontal assaults on their Citadels, engaging them in constructive debate. If they silence us, then unsilence ourselves or be happy with our fate.

    Roissy at least has the right attitude: Showing it all up. He may not always be right, but he pushed balls over the hill to see where they land.

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  151. Ryu, sometimes you have to retreat to live and fight another day.

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  152. on July 18, 2010 at 6:50 pm Cannon's Canon

    godspeed you! pac emperor

    i looked up the wiki page to glean your message

    (i recognized unkle from their work with the venerable kool g rap)

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  153. on July 18, 2010 at 7:11 pm Tupac Chopra

    Gorby:

    In any violent situation right-wing nutjobs are dreaming about, there are going to be dozens of microfactions and barely armed militias facing off against a well-organized, trained, well-equipped killing force.

    +1

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  154. on July 18, 2010 at 7:16 pm Tupac Chopra

    Gorby owning this thread.

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  155. “Seriously, these dreams of a Second American Revolution are born of some hollywood fantasy. It’ll never happen the way people imagine. It’ll be crushed and beaten down with vicious efficiency.”

    Right…the “vicious effieciency” demonstrated in vietnam, korea, iraq and afghanistan. The military has not won a single guerilla war. It’s been about ten years since Iraq 2 began. When has the military done anything with efficiency? Osama Bin Laden brought this country down with 25 motivated men, some guts, and a perfect knowledge of what would happen.

    Let there be no illusion. Of course the police and the military will fire on civilians. Kent State, Waco, Ruby Ridge, Seattle 1999 all demonstrate how “patriotic” our military is. They’ed gut their mother if they were ordered to.

    How many of us would laugh if a man asked a girl “can I kiss you? Please??? Pretty please???” Yet, many around here would have us go to washington, on our knees “Oh, Mr Obama, PLEASE do this. Please do that. We promise to be nice and to not be bad.” Your wishes, your desires, your opinions are all irrelevent without force backing it up.

    Men do not ask permission. We don’t beg. And we certainly don’t disarm ourselves. In this world, you take what you want, and if other men disagree, they can pick up a gun or shut up.

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  156. @Ryu
    “Seriously, these dreams of a Second American Revolution are born of some hollywood fantasy. It’ll never happen the way people imagine. It’ll be crushed and beaten down with vicious efficiency.”

    Right…the “vicious effieciency” demonstrated in vietnam, korea, iraq and afghanistan.

    Guerilla wars are hard to win. But one the US gets to that point, there’s nothing left to save: The future falls to another country/ region. The US is completely finished as anything but a chessboard for other peoples’ dreams.

    Korea: Clear win. The Chinese tipped it; the North Koreans lost on their own. if the Mexicans came in on the side of, say, a Hispanic American Militia in the south, then we’re talking.

    Vietnam: Let’s be honest, the US’ heart wasn’t in it. Thank Liberals.

    Afghanistan: No country invading Afghanistan in 3000 years has succeeded there. Not Alexander (long-term), not the British, not the Soviets, not anyone. It’s always been a bad idea.

    Iraq: Saddam’s state was obliterated. Recreating the country was always impossible.

    We wouldn’t need to “win” against American insurgents. Just contain them and beat them politically: which would happen.

    The military has not won a single guerilla war. It’s been about ten years since Iraq 2 began. When has the military done anything with efficiency? Osama Bin Laden brought this country down with 25 motivated men, some guts, and a perfect knowledge of what would happen.

    I see. Your guerillas are going to bring down the state with a few bombs? The US is perfectly placed to carry out this kind of hunt-down-and-kill internal action.

    Let there be no illusion. Of course the police and the military will fire on civilians. Kent State, Waco, Ruby Ridge, Seattle 1999 all demonstrate how “patriotic” our military is. They’ed gut their mother if they were ordered to.

    So we’ve established that, then.

    How many of us would laugh if a man asked a girl “can I kiss you? Please??? Pretty please???” Yet, many around here would have us go to washington, on our knees “Oh, Mr Obama, PLEASE do this. Please do that. We promise to be nice and to not be bad.” Your wishes, your desires, your opinions are all irrelevent without force backing it up.

    Men do not ask permission. We don’t beg. And we certainly don’t disarm ourselves. In this world, you take what you want, and if other men disagree, they can pick up a gun or shut up.

    Voting is not asking, dude, and Obama is not your ruler.

    And as soon as you arm yourself – AGAINST the state – you will be utterly crushed without remorse.

    D’uh.

    Good luck with that.

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  157. Collect 10 buddies, pick up your guns and go and see if you can take justice at gunpoint.

    I wish you good luck, but you’ll accomplish nothing without the mass of the American people right behind you.

    You’ll just die.

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  158. on July 18, 2010 at 8:59 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””Gorbachev
    @Tyrone
    Are you in the military? I was and I have worked for them for over twenty years.

    My brother and several relatives are in the military. One is a lieutenant, another an air force pilot, one was a marine for 12 years. I have no end of family members connected in some way to the armed forces.””””””””

    Yea military family as well. My claim to fame is I am only one never went officer. lol

    Yea you say nobody is doing anything well the people going against system are killed. When you fight the divorce alimony system you die or go to jail. Been going on for a long time. You don’t see their suicide notes posted. You don’t hear why they die. You just see a quick scan on the news. maybe.

    There are people doing things just not killing the right people when they go out.

    They tend to kill their families then themselves. If they would start including judges and lawyers in the mix guarranteed shit would be a changing.

    All the men who have the balls end up dieing in the end when fucked past their threshold.

    So yea the average person you can put in a concentration camp and they will work till they are bones and die. That is the biggest problem.

    As far as dieing yea I see the revolutionaries being cracked down and killed. But there are worse things than dieing there is living to see people relegated to walking bones.

    Why yea an outside army and power is gonna be more than likely required; the western ideal of female worship is shit.

    Or yea like you said this site might actually change some shit if enough people realize what is going on. Best it can do is just help men protect themselves from the worste of current system.

    And there is no change. Why for a 200 years have men been getting fucked by alimony. Yet a heck of a lot of books have been written. Gonna take outside force.
    Unless the money runs out to pay the army.
    Then your gonna have a problem.
    Or if you did have a led campaign that hit at the right time all major bases. Just fort hood has 60 percent of all the armies equipment. Shit you could do a coordinated poisoning of almost americas whole fucking army by putting one worker in each chowhall and dropping the poison on the same day. One day an army one day a pile of corpses.

    There are quite a few holes that could be taken advantage of.

    But yea your right army gonna be slaughtering civilians.
    Unless almost all civilians rose up then there aren’t enough bullets and gun barrels melt after firing a certain amount.
    So it would have to be one pissed off populas.

    For it to win gonna need the elite to really fuck up and say let them eat cake.
    So that some new law passes that makes everyones life hell.
    So it becomes a moral war.
    Then you may have the civilian backing to take over army killing them or not. Again though average person will just go ahead and work till bones and die rather than just die now.
    Then financial material backing of some other country jumping on band wagon.
    Then the elites fucked up bad so then you just need to keep the hearts and minds of the average joe.

    Look at dday.
    Eventually the landing force overwhelmed the defending force. We are not quite to the point where video gamers are running war. Still kind of running it like dday in a lot of ways.
    When we do get to that point of machines run by man manning computer no manor of revolt will be able to succeed by the army nor civilian. At that point you can pass any law you want without fear. That will be coming in the next 20 to 30 years.

    But yea if just like iraq where you have certain people in houses that are fighting from them just gonna drop 2000 pound bombs on them or artillery.

    ””””ryu
    It’s all related – all this talk about being an alpha, a leader of men. Then you guys want to run off to australia, or tahiti, or wherever when things get rough. This behavior is a disgrace to our country, and its a disgrace to our people. ””””’
    Sometimes it is the only thing you can do. It has been rough on a man for 200 years. Other than looking at the shit every day and then becoming a statistic.
    Not a disgrace though the reason I left is because I could not marry a woman in the states without having alimony or child support imposed on me in the event of us having kids and divorced.
    Really making the descision I did actually benefited a woman in the states. Because if I married one and told her that I would not except those things before marriage and then after marriage and divorce she demanded those things I would of had to kill her. I think I did the hypothetical woman a favor.

    Really my major complaint in us is that I as a man lose my shit and can be made to continue to pay in event of divorce with a woman. It goes against everything I have ever grown up with when thinking about freedom or patriatism or anything good when it came to us. Then I found out it was a lie. I don’t mind splitting shit with a woman but that is a human being that can move on out on her own if she wants to without my help. Just like I wouldn’t expect her to provide me money for the rest of my life if we split.

    The other complaint would be the forced moving of minorities and paying for them to live in white areas. If they move there on their own fine. But when the government pays for it that is bullshit.

    Then ya got the white male being the only one you can shit on.

    The last two are not as bad as the first but yea pretty bad.
    The first fucks with my ability to have a relationship with a woman that is equal and gives her superpowers and forces me to be willing to die to equal it up again. The second makes me live under artificial living conditions that would not happen normally.
    The third makes it harder for me to get a job and if I get one have to work harder than other people to get promoted.

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  159. As shocking as it it for me to admit, I agree (partly) with Gorbachev and not Tyrone. The US military will not mutiny. The US military will fire on American civilians if ordered to do so. But more likely, they won’t have to shoot unarmed Amercians. They’ll instead cut off their water, supplies, impose curfews, round up, and so on.

    I’m a vet. I know the ‘hooah!’ mindframe. The military is only institutionally conservative. And they will follow orders, and will feel all “HOOAH!” doing so.

    The solution lies not in organized violence. The solution is general strikes. Wave upon wave of general strikes. I lived through those in 1980-81, as a kid, and they were awesome. That period, plus the resulting Martial Law, registered a massive spike in national birthrates, by the way.

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  160. Interesting, the moniker. Gorbachov (the former USSR CPSU Chairman) is a buddy-buddy with one George Soros. Soros has his paws in many a cookie jar, and none of his shennigans spell any good.

    Now, here is the thing, Gorby. If I use your diatribe and replace the context with feminazi shaming tactics, I have a hard time to find any differences. Riddle me that.

    Voting is cool and that, but even if Republicans win in November, their goose is cooked.

    The September 19, 2008 was a “dry” run. To test the system and to swing the trend towards the Won.

    Once the Republicans have the house, within a year or so, another crisis not to waste, in markets, would be triggered. This will be a tsunami, though, the 9/19/2008 small potato in comparison. The meme would be dispersed through media that this thing happened on Republican’s watch and they own it.

    The result of the collapse would be a wide spread despondency and strife and who you gonna call to provide the basics? The Ghostbusters?

    It is a brilliant strategy, and I am not sure what is the antidote.

    Of course, there is much more serious shit down the pipe, this would be just the opening salvo.

    Orwell: “If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human face—forever.”

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  161. on July 18, 2010 at 9:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    You know what would work and shove a big bowl of shit down the gullet of america. Men just went on a nationwide strike for a month. Don’t need to fight just need to not do shit.

    woman equal to men would go out window.

    equal pay for equal work would go out window.

    equal bla bla would go out window.

    Mens rights would be the focus of the day.

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  162. on July 18, 2010 at 10:06 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””Ryu
    Osama Bin Laden brought this country down with 25 motivated men, some guts, and a perfect knowledge of what would happen. ”””

    Nice post man.

    Exactly then as gorby said ten men accomplish nothing is bullshit.
    Think he would have some creativity.

    If you took 11 men to a divorce lawyer/family law convention and killed them all you would have accomplished direct change. Shit would definetly change.
    Yea sure you might die so.

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  163. Gunslingergregi, when the “program” gets on the way, there would be a great majority of people not working for a month by default. By design.

    It’s like a variant of tic-tac-toe where the elite always wins, not matter what your move is. They’ve been working on it for years, planning every step and contingency.

    If you don’t know what the end game is, chances are that any move you make is already anticipated.

    The only way to win is to figure out the end game and instead of modded tic-tac-toe, play 3-d exponential Go. IOW, Rewrite the rules based on exponential (non-linear strategies).

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  164. @Gunslingergregi said on The Ruling Class Vs The American Class
    ””Ryu
    Osama Bin Laden brought this country down with 25 motivated men, some guts, and a perfect knowledge of what would happen. ”””

    Nice post man.

    Exactly then as gorby said ten men accomplish nothing is bullshit.
    Think he would have some creativity.

    If you took 11 men to a divorce lawyer/family law convention and killed them all you would have accomplished direct change. Shit would definetly change.
    Yea sure you might die so.

    Look, dude, all you do by doing this is make your enemies into martyrs an feed the feminist flames. Some Saudi guys blowing up buildings made enemies of the American people. Slick move. This is what they wanted, of course. If it weren’t for the liberals, who kowtow to anyone not white and Christian in some self-hating reflex, the entire country would be terra non grata for Muslims.

    That kind of action invites worse repression than you’re fighting.

    There’s a difference between acting out of strength of conviction and personal believe and even grief. That can be Alpha. Acting out of rage like Mel, when his GF is all calm and collected, makes him look like a beta retard and others look like dangerous psychopaths –

    Violent rage is nothing when faced with controlled, careful, calculated rage meant to convince.

    Win hearts, nor corpses.

    More basement testosterone dreams.

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  165. Osama Bin Laden brought this country down with 25 motivated men,

    Well to bad Gary Faulkner has more balls than a stud farm. I hear he came pretty close to getting Osama. So if one man can do, why the heck can’t the military do? Another unanswered question.

    *plays twillight zone theme song*

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  166. He’s a bit of a whiskeyite but he’s ok 🙂

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  167. End Game
    ========

    Our Mother, Gaia The Sustainable, Who art of Earth
    Hallowed be Thy Name.
    Thy Kingdom come.
    Thy Will be done, the Earth made Heaven, the Better World.
    Give us this day our daily bread.
    And forgive us our material trespasses,
    As we forgive those who trespass against us,
    Once they are sublimated onto thy Altar.
    And lead us not into temptation of greed,
    But deliver us from evil. Amen.

    500 million Gaialings.
    10 million “bright” ones, the cream of humanity.
    490 million servicepersons, in buccolic setting, well cared for and nurtured appropriately so they are productive in their 45-50 years life span, before led to communion of becoming one with Gaia.

    Africa, East Asia, Australia, most of Europe and Americas designated as wilderness reserves, with no humans debasing the pristine nature.

    The stomping boot will be made from organic plant material, no animal sisters and brothers will be harmed.

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  168. To use the parlance of this website, there’s nothing more beta herb than a guy who whines about the ruling class (rather than being a part of it or figuring out how to become a part of it) or who fantasizes about how everything will be better after the revolution (which of course he will be a part of and his side will win). Sad.

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  169. @PA
    I’m a vet. I know the ‘hooah!’ mindframe. The military is only institutionally conservative. And they will follow orders, and will feel all “HOOAH!” doing so.

    Gunslingergregi:

    I’m one of the few males in my extended family not to have some connection to the military. They all bitch and complain about Obama, but when issued an order, they go out and double-do-it with perverted enthusiasm.

    Take out a town hall with a smart bomb? Yessir. Shell a barricade thrown up by (insert any group here)? Gotcha. Hell, my brother would dance the dance of victory no mater who his targets were. He drives a tank. His major complaint is a lack of guts on the part of the guys giving him orders: he wants to shoot things. It’s what he does. Give the man a goal, a target, a mission, and let him do it. He’s extremely good at it, ridiculously well-trained, and does whatever is required. You can’t knock this guy out. He has few, if any, inhibitions. He also gets laid like no tomorrow, or did until he got married.

    Tell the guy a militant group is trying to block highways in Colorado, and he’ll track them into any forest or up any mountain and brag about he bagged some domestic terrorists. And tell you how he did it. He’ll lament the killing of civilians, and hate his government, but then he’ll say: They shouldn’t have fought the Government of my Country.

    Period.

    Please. Revolt, and you make yourself the bad guys and the army won’t take your side. They’ll just exterminate you. You’ll never have existed. You might as well just not even bother.

    In any violent conflict, the state – *this* state – has exactly ALL of the power, all of it, bar none. If the cops can’t arrest you, and your action warrants a military response, you, your cause and your supporters will just cease to exist. *Poof*. Go out and test the government with some real threat.

    They fucking took out the Afghani government just for harboring the Taliban. The Taliban did Nyah-Nyah, You Can’t Get Us, and we got our buddies and trashed them. Running the place is a nightmare, but how the fuck is that for global reach? I mean, seriously?

    When in history has any state been able to pull shit like that off? *Afganistan*. The worst, worst, hardest place to invade and hold anywhere on Earth? Taken OUT.

    For a terrorist attack.

    Dammit, if you think a bunch of white separatists even had a 2% chance of pulling off shit like that, you’re a complete retard.

    I own guns. I have no illusion that if the state wanted to, it could make me disappear. I’m glad it doesn’t.

    If you think your guns or a bomb or two would give you anything, anything at all, you’re a delusional danger to yourself.

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  170. @PA
    The solution lies not in organized violence. The solution is general strikes. Wave upon wave of general strikes. I lived through those in 1980-81, as a kid, and they were awesome. That period, plus the resulting Martial Law, registered a massive spike in national birthrates, by the way.

    See.

    Now there’s a positive action that would work.

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  171. Right mistermark, after all Stalin was one hunk of an Alpha, right? Actually, kinda like Highlander, there could be only one.
    And who would not be happy as a near-alpha beta? The buttfuck was only symbolic anyway, what was not to like? Licking the boot? Oh, it was not that bad, in fact, kinda joyous. Well, unless you made Alpha Joe unhappy and he had you shot or let you review your conscience while you were contributing to his well being. How wonderful and happy, happy, joy, joy!

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  172. I’m curious, as a white man, what future do you see for yourself? For your race? Australia, Europe, and North America all have the same issue, except that for the one its asians, the other muslims, and for us its hispanics. Where exactly will your kids run? And your grandkids? Antarctica perhaps? Mars??

    I like your idea; it’s good thinking – to have a series of general strikes. Initiative, creativity, peaceful, low risk.. it’s all there. What does your instinct say about this? What’s your gut response?

    The strike busters of the early 20th century popped into my head. I see men united, striking, carrying signs. Then someone does something stupid and out come the water cannons, rubber bullets, and stormtrooper uniforms. As the strike wears on, money’s not coming in; the wife start complaining, maybe she files for divorce. Things get worse.

    Out west, you could hire any number of illegals, just say how many, where, and you got it. I’ve seen in Iowa a meat packing company post 25 jobs, and 50 illegals are there the next day. With an unemployment rate of 25%, some companys get 100 applications to become an $8/hr cashier. Today there are 2 billion people around the world who would love to have your job, to live in your house, and to live your life.

    It’s good to target what this country really values, which is money. Would I expect any company to just take it? Just sit back? Are there many jobs today that only one person is capable of doing? To me, just about any job today, any person is interchangable.

    As for white seperatism, I am certainly for it. Things are pretty great for women and minorities right now. Just say the magic word “racist” and any door will open, any obstacle will disappear.

    Why do I advocate intelligent violence??? When I study history, I see one thing. I see the enancipation proclaimation being sent to King George. I see George laughing. In 1920 I see Ireland’s desire for independence from Britain. Lots of speeches, lots of fine words. What was it that actually won the day?

    Is there any hope? Maybe some of you have forgotten our heritage. In the year 480 BC, 300 spartans stood at Thermopylae against one hundred thousand muslims. Tell me, what was their percent chance of victory? How “well trained” were the persians, how merciless? How do you define victory, does it even matter???

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  173. @Gorbaechev, PA:

    You assume all of this will occur in a vacuum. What you describe might happen if it occurred today, but what will more likely occur is an erosion of resolve from within over time well before it ever came to shooting. Revolutions don’t happen overnight. Circumstances build up to them slowly. You had the army shooting people in the Russian revolution too at first, but the Czar’s army collapsed from within because it was made up of the people and society was collapsing due to what they came to believe was the corruption of the old order. Before we ever got to the point of a shooting war, you would have organized militias parading around, you would have political parties that had armed membership, etc. Many of them would be former veterans. You’d have incidents that would become the equivalent of the Boston Massacre that would cause the present soldiers to question the authority of their government and leaders. The leaders would question their leaders as well, especially when they saw they were firing on people they could relate to first hand. Many of them brothers and uncles of current soldiers. You would also have an erosion in recruitment, so standards would drop just to get people to enlist or perhaps an imposed draft to fill the ranks. The sympathies of new recruits would have long since been eroded or come around to call into question the continuing value of the ruling class, etc. We aren’t even close to this point. By the time we were, our military would not be what it once was. I think you’re envisioning this scenario too narrowly and in the context of the present, not in terms of the situation at the time of the first shots being fired.

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  174. Excellent article, thanks for the link Roissy.

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  175. on July 19, 2010 at 3:17 am Gunslingergregi

    Yea the intelligent guys are acting like for a lot of people there is still a carrot left.

    The thing is that no there isn’t.

    If you can’t even find a low paying job what are you supposed to do?

    Yea there were lines in midwest long as shit for 10 dollar an hour walmart job but yea only two jobs available.

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  176. Ryu:

    good post, but the Persians invaded long before Islam. They were actually Zoroastrian when Xerxes invaded Greece.

    The Magna Carta was presented by the nobility to King John, not George.

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  177. And you guys suppose to be the good voters??? Rarely have i seen such a bullshit and flight of ideas, the main problem is, that you have been contributing to the problem by sitting on your high horses looking down at people, for whatewer, and know you think the solution for all this would be to make it even worse, who wants to live in that kind of society that some of you claim is good?? its pure hell, i rather live in this malfunctioning democracy then what you would prefer living in, its swopping to something ten times worse, why dont you all sit down and come up with some ideas that could solve the smaller flaws that democracy has, instead of driving it in the ground, come up with something that is worth to discuss.

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  178. @biktopia:

    We’re not discussing how to change democracy as much as how to remove the Socialist trends in it and to prevent them from recurring. Socialism requires force and massive brain washing to enact and perpetuate because it is the distribution of resources by fiat rather than on economic utility and market price. Since many of the changes that we discuss and which you feel are foolish were designed to cater to women voters and punish/disenfranchize men. It is natural that you would perceive these discussions as counterproductive to your ideas of a democracy as you live in Sweden and have very specific notions of how things should be. We are seeking to avoid becoming like Sweden for the simple fact that Sweden exploits the likes of us shamelessly and treats men as serfs. America is worse because of your example and we want to stop bending over and inching towards a European notion of the nation state.

    These discussions are aimed at re-empowering the middle class male in the US more than anything else and ensuring he remains prominent as the backbone of any successful society. As far as the type of society you would see, it would have far more individual freedom than today and far more opportunity for everyone and be very prosperous, as America was 130 years ago, when we became the largest industrial state and had our greatest vibrancy as a nation. It would also have far less hand holding from big daddy government. America has become the victim of its success, as has Europe, and many people are still defining the problem of what has even gone wrong. I realize this kind of talk is inconceivable for most Europeans, but we thrive on it, at least some of us still do. Yes, we really are different.

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  179. bictopia, is it us driving it down? Or is it the sundry of socialist poison that has been applied in increments throughout the 20th century?

    At the moment, there is approximately 50% of populace dependent on the government, in one way or another. They, the rent seekers, tend to vote themselves more of spoils, sinecures, handouts and the sound of backscratching is growing louder. I am not sure what to do.

    The big biz realized some time ago that for their interests, some form of socialism is the best model. It is just damn funny how liberals associate big biz with conservatives, while if you follow the money, lobbies, donations and kickbacks, it is clear that liberals and big biz are joined at the hip. Dissimulation. And a sad thing is that a great majority of Republicans are RINOs, sometimes making the “correct” noises, but in reality going along with their counterparts. Constituents? Let them eat the cake!

    Liberals dream of one class system, instead of our 3-class system. The system is defined by outcomes–everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others.

    Liberals needed the 50% dependency to pull off their deranged, feverish scheme. They are not there yet, but pretty damn close. Every freaking day, a new law or regulation pops into the open. The HCR is laden with them, dispersed throughout the edifice, so as to slip under the radar. Thousands of cuts, labeling it papercuts would be understating it.

    It is not a vantom destruction unleashed through ineptitude and incompetence, though… with progressives, that aspect is everpresent. The dismantling of USA is deliberate. Progressives (a code name for crypto-commies) want to build a better world, and they care little if they break millions of eggs to get where they want, because they are the righteous ones. Haven’t you heard? They so teem with compassion, as long as they can redistribute it. In their mind nothing can be more noble.

    Sometimes I think, let them bring about the “better world” for all to see. I lived through a version of it for 30 years of my life, and I know once the money to redistribute runs out, the system inevitably collapses. It suck to live through it, but life goes on and the knowledge that the aberration has a sunset date, 10-20 years because there is no longer SU to prop it up, makes it bearable. Perhaps the majority would learn what it is about, as they learned in countries behind the Iron Curtain.

    The thing is, the liberals have no idea that while they dream about their “better world”, there is a group of people, faceless at the moment, that would use them as tools to build their version of a “better world”. And once the tools are not needed, they would be discarded without any special considerations for services rendered. Of course, the cause of the new “better worlders” is as or even more noble. While for liberals, some modicum of connection with “we the people” is present, the ascending group has no such connection whatsoever. In their utopia, the disconnect would be not only maintained with a religious adherence, but measures will betaken that the two shall not meet ever again.

    You may think that I’ve forgotten to take my meds. I wish that was the case. The “better worlders” had the audacity to present their vision throughout the last century. You will find it if you seek, the vision was not hidden, because the public simply could not accept something so deranged and evil is remotely possible.

    The stage is set. Whether Republicans get a majority in November or not. The moves on the chess board would happen so fast that you won’t be able to get your bearings what is happening. It is by design.

    Is it possible to prevent this trajectory from transpiring? I don’t know. There is a glimmer of hope, though, that someone will crack the puzzle and inject a vector or several, soon, that would change the charted out course.
    We need exponential thinkers that would not reject the outlined possibility a priori, even if in the form of a “what if” scenario.

    But what if not? Will they win? I believe not. They carry with them the seed of their own demise. But there would be not many of us left to celebrate the victory.

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  180. on July 19, 2010 at 10:26 am Obstinance Works

    “Now, about dominating the classes…always bear in mind that the lower class in America is far better armed than the ruling class. And, what we lack, we can McGuyver.”

    Well said Anonymouses Anonymous.

    The lower classses (mostly the south) are the warrior class of the USA. All we really have at this point are our guns and our traditional beliefs. 2 things the ruling faggot class hates the most.

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  181. The timeline:

    2011-2012
    Triggered a wholesale collapse of US economy. Stock markets wiped out clean. 0.
    Consequent collapse of world economies. Credit will contract into a singularity.
    Unprecedented discontent of populations everywhere. Strife and famine.

    2013-2014
    Flash points everywhere. War starts. Big bada war.

    2015-2019
    Introduction of biological agent by “better worlders”, to mowe down the populations that were left over after the initial salvo, with the target of 500 million survivors total. Some continents depopulated entirely.

    Year 0
    Heaven on Earth, Utopia.

    —-

    Who are the faceless ones? No one who does not reject the possibility of the Plan is sure, but they leave a trail. Compare people, their relatives or acquaintances sitting on boards of directors of following industries: Food (ADM, Monsanto and likes), Bio/Genetics, Pharma, Insurance, Energy, universities and NGOs. Not just USA. If you locate someone that register on more than 3 of them, it is possible that you have a dot.

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  182. on July 19, 2010 at 10:32 am Obstinance Works

    Isaac Newton predicted the end of the world around 2040. Maybe he’s got a point?

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  183. Obstinance Works, in my view, the rural areas (outside of a 100 miles perimeter of large cities) may be able to sustain themselves, with some form of networking and ad hoc infrastructures. Not a walk in the park, but I see it as plausible.

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  184. For a further education (re progressives stage):
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Bezmenov&aq=f

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  185. on July 19, 2010 at 1:04 pm Sg.t Joe Friday

    It’s very unlikely Obama or a member of the ruling elite will be assasinated. What’s much more likely is the shooting, accidental or not, of a Tea Partier. There will be some media outlets that try to spin it as “he/she had it coming” but that will outrage the public even more, and we’ll see something new to this republic: riots by middle aged white people. That in turn will lead to martial law being declared in the riot areas, complete with dusk-to-dawn curfews and whatnot. What happens after that remains to be seen.

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  186. Ok, i have actually commented on wrong thread, but i give my opinion here, and i will regret it, as this would not be the place for it..
    So, born in a country that accepted my refugee parents and gave me the possibility to live freely without a dictatorship, i cannot be in more depth to Sweden for this possibility, i am grateful. It would never cross in my mind to bite the hand that feeds me, and what i would like the mostly is that all immigrants would do the same for the country that accepted them.
    And if we take immigration as it is close to my heart and a burning problem, i would say the following, divide the immigrants: People that get a job opportunity better then in their own countries, and goes there to work, possibly goes home later or builds a new life. The other is the slum people, that was slum in their countries, it is much easier to get by on welfare in both Sweden and US, then for lets say Hungary, this is a problem that Hungary needs to solve, not the new country. They where slum here and will be in the new country as well. And how to solve it?

    I have an idea, which i think could work, starting with school.
    Every parents economy would wobble according to how the kid is doing in school, any kid doing absolutely average, possibly even fail occasionally would not influence the household eceonomy. If the kid was missing from school a lot or was behaving aggressive, or anything negative that can come to mind, the parents would get punished, by a form of withdrawal of money, or even prison for a week, as i find it a crime to not care about your kids. If the kid was doing fine, the family and the kid would get a bonus.
    If people on welfare didnt start to work after a time, they would be cut off the welfare unless they started any job that was offered them, then they could keep the welfare money. Everybody has to work, everybody, and that some people cry out loud that they cant get any jobs is bullshit, now, living in a slum in Stockholm, i know the school i went in was on a kindergarten level with zero benefit for the pupils, really smart classmates are working as truck drivers in factories or similar becasue of the low level of the education. The schoolsystem just slept and let these people down, also Sweden implemented lot of abstract university programs giving zero job opportunity but a high student loan, and people actually believe that these subjects make them qualified for jobs. So it is very important to set the lines straight, raise the bar of the education and stop making zombies of the people watching television.
    If i go back a bit, not everyone can be smart, it is no shame in it if you cannot be a lawyer or scientist, scientist earn crap anyway so it is more beneficial to work in a truck factory, but whatever makes you happy, be on a level what is making you happy, and in order to be able to choose, you need to know one things or two when choosing direction.
    I am against any form of race/intelligence discussion, i know how extremely hard it is to break the bonds of a culture, even harder when it is a gap between them, i know, i have seen it up close, again, bright friends that didnt get any opportunity to assimilate into Swedish society, i can thank my mom for putting me in a private school, other kids didnt have this, and this is such a crucial point,,,
    Bottomline, the only way to solve this solution is to see what goes around in your vicinity and not think anyone else will solve the problem. Bring the education up tenfold and look around in your own community, in the school and on the streets. Something needs to be done, but one can do it in a way that benefits everybody or nobody.
    Race hate is for people that have little knowledge, the problem does not start with race but with culture and upbringing.
    Sorry for spelling mistakes,,

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  187. on July 19, 2010 at 1:56 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””’gorbachov
    Violent rage is nothing when faced with controlled, careful, calculated rage meant to convince.

    Win hearts, nor corpses.

    More basement testosterone dreams.

    ””””””””
    ”””””’bictopia
    And you guys suppose to be the good voters??? Rarely have i seen such a bullshit and flight of ideas, the main problem is, that you have been contributing to the problem by sitting on your high horses looking down at people, for whatewer, and know you think the solution for all this would be to make it even worse, who wants to live in that kind of society that some of you claim is good?? its pure hell, i rather live in this malfunctioning democracy then what you would prefer living in, its swopping to something ten times worse, why dont you all sit down and come up with some ideas that could solve the smaller flaws that democracy has, instead of driving it in the ground, come up with something that is worth to discuss.

    ”””””’
    ””””As for white seperatism, I am certainly for it. Things are pretty great for women and minorities right now. Just say the magic word “racist” and any door will open, any obstacle will disappear.

    ””””””

    ”””’gorbachov
    Dammit, if you think a bunch of white separatists even had a 2% chance of pulling off shit like that, you’re a complete retard.”””””

    Llike I heard in waynes world and a big part of the power of the elites is “if you label me you negate me”

    Do not allow people to labal you a subversive or terrorist.

    if I were to label myself it would be “unpaid think tank”.

    You know like the job chelsea clinton got that paid a 100k a year to start. Or the guys in the government who have the job of coming up with worste case scenerios and what to do in the even of one coming true to protect the state. Like you know how to kill a bunch of civilians of their own country who are pissed off.

    I like to think of worse case scenerios and think about what I can do to protect myself as an individual who has rights as well.

    I believe that I also have intrinsic rights to things not just the state.

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  188. Hey Gun,
    Im against any ethnic person screaming racist, they know how to scream it out loud, and they use it to the maximum, that should be stopped. how? By treating them as anyone else, if a person messed up, they have to pay for it, certain cultures mess up more then others, but if they are in Sweden, they should assimilate to that culture, even if it is means a lot of negatives on the way, its the price they have to pay for getting a new chance. They need to accept that a swedish citizenhsip needs them to make an effort, not even so high, just being an asset for the country as any other descent person is all that is asked for.

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  189. on July 19, 2010 at 2:34 pm NYCbachelor

    “Why do I advocate intelligent violence??? When I study history, I see one thing. I see the enancipation proclaimation being sent to King George. I see George laughing. In 1920 I see Ireland’s desire for independence from Britain. Lots of speeches, lots of fine words. What was it that actually won the day?

    Is there any hope? Maybe some of you have forgotten our heritage. In the year 480 BC, 300 spartans stood at Thermopylae against one hundred thousand muslims. Tell me, what was their percent chance of victory? How “well trained” were the persians, how merciless? How do you define victory, does it even matter???

    I love the sentiment in these two paragraphs… but at the same time I find them absolutly hilarious.

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  190. on July 19, 2010 at 3:18 pm Gunslingergregi

    I had a big long post about the reasoning bla bla bla
    But sadly internet is not so great and was erased.

    Condensed it is I grew up very happy in life, ton of woman good friends and was going places. Then my dad was crushed by the divorce system and I lost all the ideals I had as an american of living in a free country. So yea death is preferable to me than having had to see that happen.

    Really if you would just get rid of the divorce bullshit so I could have married an american woman and formed a team with her with equal rights for both. I would be fine.
    Allow people to divorce cool it is normal. No penalty for either side in the event of divorce you just go your seperate ways.

    I would also be ok with minorities moving where they wanted. Just please stop the moving of minorities on the government dime and government paid rent to white areas where people pay a mortgage and giving incentive to local government to do so.

    ”””””on July 19, 2010 at 10:28 am morsellaux
    The timeline:

    2011-2012
    Triggered a wholesale collapse of US economy. Stock markets wiped out clean. 0.
    Consequent collapse of world economies. Credit will contract into a singularity.
    Unprecedented discontent of populations everywhere. Strife and famine.

    2013-2014
    Flash points everywhere. War starts. Big bada war.

    2015-2019
    Introduction of biological agent by “better worlders”, to mowe down the populations that were left over after the initial salvo, with the target of 500 million survivors total. Some continents depopulated entirely.

    Year 0
    Heaven on Earth, Utopia.

    —-

    Who are the faceless ones? No one who does not reject the possibility of the Plan is sure, but they leave a trail. Compare people, their relatives or acquaintances sitting on boards of directors of following industries: Food (ADM, Monsanto and likes), Bio/Genetics, Pharma, Insurance, Energy, universities and NGOs. Not just USA. If you locate someone that register on more than 3 of them, it is possible that you have a dot.

    ””””””’

    lol dude your acting like people want to live as slaves to child support and alimony in the west. A lot don’t religion and inner morals prevents them from commiting suicide.

    I could get behind any initiative by the elites to exterminate me. What I have seen though is they are to pussy for that.
    Elites want what they think of as the lower man to suffer here on earth.
    There utopia is knowing that other people are suffering. Where the afrdesiac of power comes from.
    My afrodesiac of power would come from removing peoples sufering.
    Your end of the world is shit.
    It could be done in a few years by the us.
    Mass produce some remote controlled gun mounts on vehicle platforms. Have video gamers control them.
    You can kill as many people as you want.
    The elites do not want to kill.
    They get pleasure from detroyin the will and making people non human.
    They get pleasure from labeling a group or people and then it makes it cool.

    But if the elites would be willing to kill they would be doing people a favor finally. The people would get to go to god or if no god they would get to have nothing either way win win for the average person.
    So yea I am ready to meet god now and think I could make a good case for my entry into heaven.
    If there is nothing then it won’t matter.
    I can’t end my own life.
    Mr elite please start program now.

    You think death is some horrible thing. Living a life devoid of any ideals is the horrible thing. Seeing your country that you loved is actually a shithole is the horrible thing. Moving to a place where people are actually free without practically any government intervention is the horrible thing to see. Working and saving money and slaving away for something better to have it be taken away by a woman in divorce is bullshit.

    I have made a 126k a year that didn’t change a broken soul. I have not brushed my teeth in 7 years because I am waiting to die. I piss on the elites for all the smarts and bla bla they couldn’t make a country worth living in. Elites are pussies. Then again so am I. Do not have guts to end it unless for a good reason or to go out hard. The elites have not given me a good enough personal reason. Please do so.

    Death is a release from this bullshit world not a punishment.
    Please god bring it the fuck on.

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  191. Sounds Like the pots calling the kettles liberals or even worse “PROGRESSIVES”. Get real all of the people that voted for the first bail out are the ruling class. The ruling class has been in charge since Greenspan was first made Chairman of the Fed under President Reagan. Now we have one of Greenspans underlings incharge of the Fed. If we’d get Wall Street out of our Government and put them on a short leash again, the American Class might have a chance. Stop drinking the Tea and the Koolaid…. and just vote with your brain and not your party line or the popular alternative.

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  192. Gunny, im getting worried.

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  193. “Honestly I don’t see it quite that bad yet.
    Before the fall of Rome, there were
    many times they predicted its imminent fall
    when it still had a good 200 years to go.
    You’re taking what I’d say is a 10% chance of failure
    and inflating it into a 99% chance. ”

    When the US-Fed can no longer borrow, what happens?
    There are no plausible solutions.

    Try

    a) Cutting expenses. Expect riots in the streets, Greece-style.
    b) Raising taxes. Cannot be done. (They can raise the RATES,
    i.e. percentages, but not the actual revenue.)
    c) Printing money. Prepare for hyperinflation.
    d) Other (specify).

    Hard to predict which one, but I think c)
    is the most likely.

    As to where to move, Switzerland is a great option,
    but it only works if you have LOTS of money. If not,
    they are unlikely to let you in. And even if they
    did, everything is expensive there. Make sure you speak
    good German or French, preferably both. (You DON’T
    need Italian, but if you have it, go for those cantons.)

    For those of us less monied, various islands in the
    Caribbean look good. Even there, you need to bring
    your own money (investment, pension or internet work),
    both to be let in, and to live on. You can live cheaply
    compared to the US but this is largely because local wages
    are really low – you would not want to depend on that.
    And the money required is LOTS less than in Switzerland.

    In all cases, make sure you are worth more alive (and
    resident) than dead – or departed – to the host country.

    @Nicole

    “Young women under 25 will be thin, and there
    won’t be many superfat women (or men) anymore,
    but most will look like FLDS women…


    They look beddable enough to me. The superthin is largely
    a creation of the fashion industry, which is run by
    homosexual men who either hate women or want them to
    look like young boys. Playboy centerfolds are generally
    NOT superthin, the women in the ads are.

    @Gorbachev
    Long quote, interspersed with my comments:

    “Americans are among the world’s least traveled people.
    We’re hopelessly provincial and narrow-minded.”

    This is an old lark. Of course Americans travel abroad
    much less than the average resident of Belgium.
    You cannot travel very far in Belgium
    before you hit a border. Duh.

    “Our urbanites think there’s no land between JFK and LAX;
    the country folk in between get hives when someone who
    looks marginally different moves in next door. ”

    Indeed, this is a problem. “Flyover states” and all that.

    “We’re ignorant to the point of embarrassment:
    the average Aussie or Canuck knows far more about
    the world and the US than most Americans do.
    How many Americans can name every American state
    and place them on a map?”

    The American school system sucks, I agree. But the US
    is a lot more important to Canada than vice versa, so
    you would EXPECT the average Canadian to know more
    about the US than vice versa. (And, yes, Harper’s
    French has good grammer – thank you TelePrompTer –
    but atrocious pronunciation.)

    “Place Mexico or Canada? Cuba? Japan?”
    Most actually could. I hope.

    “When I travel abroad, the overpowering ignorance
    of other Americans abroad never, ever ceases
    to stun me into shamed silence. We’re so collectively
    stupid we don’t even know how stupid we are.”

    When you travel abroad, how come you
    run into other Americans
    often enough to form an opinion??? When I travel
    outside the US, I only rarely run into other Americans.

    @Gunslinger
    “There are people doing things just not killing
    the right people when they go out.
    They tend to kill their families then themselves.
    If they would start including judges and lawyers
    in the mix guarranteed shit would be a changing.”

    Interesting…..

    Thor

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  194. When the US-Fed can no longer borrow, what happens?
    There are no plausible solutions.

    that is conceptually incorrect. as the notorious anti-butthexer himself GBFM will glady tell you, over and over and over again, the US gov’t doesn’t borrow money in order to spend money. it spends money in order to back its fiat currency. it creates a budget deficit in order to sell a debt instrument.

    if the bottom drops out of the US dollar it won’t be because people stopped wanting to buy our debt. it will be because people stop wanting to accept dollars as currency. it’s a subtle difference, but an important one.

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  195. on July 19, 2010 at 4:38 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””’bictopia
    Gunny, im getting worried.
    ”””

    But you weren’t worried before about guys getting tortured and enslaved by alimony child support and no rights?

    You think there will never be an extraction of the cost of all that pain?

    What you think I stayed in iraq for 5 years just for the money. They are just really bad shots and it is really fucking hard to die by accident.

    Better the law was in even of divorce guy is killed along with his kids.
    Nice and clean.
    Preferably by hanging least painfull way to die. Unless you want to count how dogs are put to sleep.
    Yea put people to sleep with the same humanity and care that you would a dog. Yea that is better.

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  196. on July 19, 2010 at 4:51 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””“Our urbanites think there’s no land between JFK and LAX;
    the country folk in between get hives when someone who
    looks marginally different moves in next door. ”

    Indeed, this is a problem. “Flyover states” and all that.
    ””””””””””
    Yea so the elites intentionally pay minorities to move in. It is why people in flyover states get pissed. The minorities are not moving on their own dime. They are payed to move then their rent is paid. Not minorities moving of their own free will on their own dime.
    The people in the flyover states are paying for the minorities to move next door with their taxes. Imagine why they would be pissed off about it.
    If a minority moved in and could only stay there by getting a job then it would be a diferent feeling. When you know you have to work to provide a house for yourself but your minority neighbor doesn’t and eats better than you who is working. It can be irritating.

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  197. No i think you missed it as you have been away a while but i have always supported men (and women) in the favour of agreeing in that divorce laws are severely messed up and unfare, doing a lot of harm, and also that paternity testing should be regular check up.
    I dont know what to reply for your last comment though, im not sure at all what you want to accomplish by that sentence.

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  198. on July 19, 2010 at 5:11 pm Obstinance Works

    Rush Limbaugh did his entire show on this article. He even indirectly referenced my comment on the south. I think he reads your blog, CR.

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  199. on July 19, 2010 at 5:14 pm Obstinance Works

    JR. They sell bonds. That’s borrowing money. But otherwise you are correct.

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  200. on July 19, 2010 at 5:15 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””’on July 17, 2010 at 8:25 pm gig
    The only question is whether we will be lucky enough that the coming civil war is a bloodless one. All bets are off.

    I talk regularly with Wall Street guys. Actually, part of my work (the best part…) is actually going out with them to nightclubs and pay the bill with the firm’s credit card.

    All those guys want to move to Brazil. I wrote once in Roosh’s blog that Sao Paulo is superior to NY, and all Americans went insane. Well, the best paid Americans of all agree with me that Rio and Sao Paulo are above NY, at least for those with above average income. I got banned there for that.

    And probably 40% of those guys, at least the Wall Street guys I deal with, are buying properties in the countryside (of the US) for the eventuality that the American Republic falls into chaos.

    I have never been to NY. But I know plenty of people from there. That’s why I say that if what matters the most is the amount of beautiful girls, the quality of nightlife, the restaurants and cultural life , then Sao Paulo is superior to NY. Heck, we even pay lower taxes!!(I paid 17% in income tax…)

    Which just proves my theory. The “superior” Anglo Saxon race performed better because they never had any NAMs around them. Once the white population in NY got equal to Sao Paulo’s in relative terms, Sao Paulo became better than NY.
    ””””””

    Gig I would agree and I have never been to san paulo.
    I went to nyc a lot. No smoking in all clubs. If you drive into nyc and are pulled over for dui they take your car. When you are there with a woman and want to dance. You can walk into club after club and there is no dancing just people talking at tables. Go to a stripclub in manhatten and some chick walks up and you don’t like her attitude. You offer her 10 bucks for lap dance intead of 20 and she has to run and get a guy to tell you you can’t offer less than 20. I am like she ain’t worth 20. But yea then an hour in private room is 350. You actually have businessman in there who look like they have money. Then a former cover model for playboy or some shit comes on. The problem is she has no woman hood there is not one bit of softness to her. She is more of a plastic reproduction of a woman. She also does not look good. Oozes no sexuality at all even completely naked. Yea elites wouldn’t know utopia if it hit them in the face. What all elites and then the men are still wishing they could have sex with a sexy woman instead of an adrogynous piece of meat. The only thing that makes sense now is for guys to make money and then move. Pretty much only option.

    You were banned from roosh lol
    What was the post it was on like to see that.
    Go to frankfurt even and then nyc. Which is better playground for a man? Yea

    Plus I went to fireworks show and walked like 14 blocks to get to place where I could buy something to drink.
    We know that in poorer freer countries there would of been 9 million drink stands on that trip could have got eat or drink at any time.
    It was soulless just big building after big building with no life going on and locked doors.

    Plus taxies. Not to many in nyc vs jakarts for instance. Any second of the day in any area of jakarta I can grab a taxi or a bus. In the city near me I can jump on a van at any second there is a contant stream of them going by. Not so in cities in us. No car equals no ride. Go to pittsburg no car equals no ride got to call taxi to get one and wait a while. No transportation available to speak of. Nothing on the street but deadness and lifeless concrete and walls. That is it. No life very few people in the daytime comparitively in nyc. The old movies do not do it justice anymore. It is a dieing star that already saw its hayday.

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  201. on July 19, 2010 at 5:24 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””’bictopia
    No i think you missed it as you have been away a while but i have always supported men (and women) in the favour of agreeing in that divorce laws are severely messed up and unfare, doing a lot of harm, and also that paternity testing should be regular check up.
    I dont know what to reply for your last comment though, im not sure at all what you want to accomplish by that sentence.
    ”””””’

    I have wanted to be put to sleep for a long time.
    When I couldn’t do it I asked the blacks.
    When they couldn’t do it I asked my friend.
    When he couldn’t do it I asked my dad.
    When he couldn’t do it I asked society.
    When they couldn’t do it I went to war.
    Then the iraqi’s couldn’t do it.

    I am just looking for ideas here.

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  202. on July 19, 2010 at 5:44 pm Gunslingergregi

    Or lets put it in dollars and cents perspective. We did business in nyc because it was decent money but only because nothing was going on elsewhere. Other shows made way more cash and where more important than a manhatten area show. Or put it another way rich people don’t buy enough to be relied on for business make much more off the middle class average folk. And the rich folk in nyc just wanted to haggle anyway he he he

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  203. on July 19, 2010 at 5:51 pm Gunslingergregi

    Or the elite are pretty useless to the average folks. Especially if they can’t even help make the average folks like more livable.

    The rich really don’t add much to society unless they are building manufacturing and creating jobs.

    If they just sit around and try out social experiments on those below them then those below them have no real use for the rich.

    They lose elite status and just become parasites or worse.

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  204. on July 19, 2010 at 6:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    Another thing in nyc we got robbed or had to really look out for it. I had to expend a lot more effort in not getting robbed if we wanted to be able to take anything home.
    In predominatly white areas this didn’t seem to be a problem. In fact never got robbed in predominatly white area. An entire vehicle worth of shit was taken in nyc.

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  205. on July 19, 2010 at 6:11 pm Gunslingergregi

    Car thing didn’t happen on my watch though. But yea maybe elite hate the flyover states because they are relatively crime free and if the elite have to live in places where people are raped killed and tortured and robbed for no reason then by god those white bastards are gonna live under the same conditions. So that may be real reason minorities are moved to the sticks.

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  206. Gunslingergregi,
    What country do you live in?

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  207. on July 19, 2010 at 6:22 pm Gunslingergregi

    Plus gig biggest thing is look at the guys that have been on here from nyc as brokers or whatever. They said there was a change anyway. Went from manly job to pussiefied shit. Got to always worry about some females feelings or shit and could lose your job. so yea just that would be no comparison if not like that in your place.

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  208. on July 19, 2010 at 6:28 pm Gunslingergregi

    Indonesia.

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  209. Is there any hope? Maybe some of you have forgotten our heritage. In the year 480 BC, 300 spartans stood at Thermopylae against one hundred thousand muslims.

    wow, that´s a comment that made me once again confident.

    That victory of the Spartans against the Muslims is only comparable to Napoleon´s conquest of China in the list of great Western victories against non-westerners

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  210. I would agree and I have never been to san paulo

    That part about Sao Paulo beating NY was more of a personal obsession than a real comment of mine.

    The point was how widespread, though not yet the majority, is the belief among Wall Street guys of all people that the US may fall into chaos.

    When those guys say this kind of stuff, people here just convince themselves that all Americans are crazy. I am probably the only one here to agree. If I worked in Wall Street and had children, I would have a house in the countryside with all the stuff required for survival in the aftermath of the singularity

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  211. “Cannon’s Canon

    jews. jews jews jews jews JEWS JEWS JEWS JEWS JEWS! JEWS! JEWS! JEWS!

    [editor: jews™!]”

    I’d like the eggs, bacon and jews… w/o the jews pls.

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  212. Haven’t read the article you referenced, but I wrote an essay for English class that addressed this issue (“We Still Need Higher Quality Outrage”) and put it on my blog.

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  213. “gig

    Is there any hope? Maybe some of you have forgotten our heritage. In the year 480 BC, 300 spartans stood at Thermopylae against one hundred thousand muslims.

    wow, that´s a comment that made me once again confident.

    That victory of the Spartans against the Muslims is only comparable to Napoleon´s conquest of China in the list of great Western victories against non-westerners.”

    No muslims in 480 B.C.

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  214. As shocking as it it for me to admit, I agree (partly) with Gorbachev and not Tyrone. The US military will not mutiny. The US military will fire on American civilians if ordered to do so. But more likely, they won’t have to shoot unarmed Amercians. They’ll instead cut off their water, supplies, impose curfews, round up, and so on.

    An overleveraged economy won’t have as many options as a “normal” economy. I say this because if the need arises for the US Army to shoot a significant number of American civilians, it is extremely likely that the American financial markets will have imploded by then. Which begs the question: how will the American Caesar pay his stormtroopers to quell the rebellion?

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  215. No muslims in 480 B.C.

    RACIST!!!

    So in your nazi world only white people were supposed to be alive during 480 BC ?? Muslims CREATED greek civilization. All that the greeks supposed ly invented was actually imported from the muslim sheiks of Egypt and Syria

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  216. The US military will fire on American civilians if ordered to do so

    they need the check, they’ve got bills to pay. American Express ain’t trying to hear ” you just couldn’t pull the trigger” .

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  217. That is why civilians are allowed to own weapons, since having an armed public is a deterrent to government having too much power.

    The American elite will never need to fire a weapon, since they have sophisticated tools to control the public in a non-violent way via media and education. Why would they kill off cattle anyway? The King will always needs its subjects and slaves to serve him. Why kill them off?

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  218. on July 19, 2010 at 10:37 pm Gunslingergregi

    If the elites wanted us all to die I guess schools would probably be teaching some form of a way to make automated factories that produced widjets so they could get rid of us or at least we could all chill out on blogs without having to do shit.

    Since that is not really happening.

    Leads me to conclude they just want us to suffer or the elite are not that smart.

    Which yea you might have to use the gun.

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  219. Gunslingergregi

    your acting like people want to live as slaves to child support and alimony in the west. A lot don’t religion and inner morals prevents them from commiting suicide.

    I considered it my job to bring this to attention. I were growing up in more sane times, and I am nearly 3 times the age of the average poster here.

    I have an interest in my children and their children living in a sane world. The world I still remember.

    I could get behind any initiative by the elites to exterminate me. What I have seen though is they are to pussy for that.

    See, they don’t have to lift a finger, except as an underline to a categorical imperative! All very clinical and that. Banality of Evil. They also figured a way to remove any guilt of causing harm to a fellow human being. They;ll have means to make a “lower man”.

    Your end of the world is shit.

    Not end of my world if I can help it.

    The elites do not want to kill.
    They get pleasure from detroyin the will and making people non human.

    As I said, they have tools (progressives) to do the killing for them. Some univ. prof., really a nice lad, like Pol pot or Bill Ayers.

    As for making people non-human, you have no idea how close to truth you are, though it is not what you imply here.

    You think death is some horrible thing.

    No, I don’t. I nearly died several times throughout my life and I know there is nothing to be afraid of. It’s not the end. I always returned because there were still some things to do. It was not easy to return back. That being said, there is a universal law that states it is not your decision to take your life that has been given to you. One of the things you learn on the other side.

    Living a life devoid of any ideals is the horrible thing.

    That is one thing no one can take from me. My ideals. They can cause pain by breaking my bones, but I am rich beyond belief, more than any of them. And they can never take from me what I have.

    Working and saving money and slaving away for something better to have it be taken away by a woman in divorce is bullshit.

    Sorry to hear that. I went through two divorces, but I were lucky, I selected my females well. Thus I still have a stake. I don’t want my children and their children ( and any children in fact) live in the nightmarish world that the faceless ones have on mind. I’ll die (or not), trying to prevent it.

    Death is a release from this bullshit world not a punishment.

    True. But there is a reason we are here. You can choose to die withering away, or you can die knowing your life had meaning.

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  220. Gunslingergregi

    If the elites wanted us all to die I guess schools would probably be teaching some form of a way to make automated factories that produced widjets so they could get rid of us or at least we could all chill out on blogs without having to do shit.

    They don’t want to “harm Gaia”, so automated widgets are not what they have in mind. Or rather they do want that, but it has to be organic. They want a “lower human”, a modified present “inferior”, stripped of will and reduced in cognition, lifespan, and with an incompatible reproductive genetic makeup.

    Their agents are heavily involved, directly or indirectly, in genetic/micro-bio research.

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  221. “Rush Limbaugh did his entire show on this article. He even indirectly referenced my comment on the south. I think he reads your blog, CR”

    Roissy is laughing right now, because he actually IS Rush. heh

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  222. “Which begs the question: how will the American Caesar pay his stormtroopers to quell the rebellion?”

    Easy. Especially in the US. If you cannot pay your troopers
    enough, you just let it be known that they can support
    themselves by living off the land. There is so MUCH
    easy loot lying around.

    (This works poorly in Russia, they figured out the
    “scorched Earth” defense hundreds of years ago.)

    The rest is silence….

    Thor

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  223. Gorb at July 18, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    You underestimate the power of the sleeping giant that is the European race. And they are waking up.

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  224. [editor: equalism is the political manifestation of the philosophy of blank slatism. it is a belief that all men are born equal under biology as well as the law, and that any inequality or disparate social value is the result of malevolent actions by the oppressor (read: successful) class, and must be rectified by whatever means necessary.]

    roissy, we’re on the same page–but are we on the same page in this detail as codevilla? he talks of darwinian evolution as the mental fuel that allowed the ruling class to begin forming and exalting itself. i’m still trying to parse that out.

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  225. Islams war against the west.

    http://howardbloom.net/islam.htm

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