Is The Sexual Market Efficient?

In yesterday’s post, it was posited that later marriages are less likely to end in divorce because older spouses have fewer options in the dating market. A 24 year old wife contemplating divorce has more opportunity to jump back in the saddle than a 34 year old cougar tired of her nuptials. So according to dating market value theory, we should not be surprised to see that marriages at a younger age tend to be less stable than marriages at an older age.

To continue on this theme, commenter Sidewinder proposes a flaw in the sexual market theory of options as the limiting factor in relationship stability (i.e., the more options you have, the less likely you are to be monogamously faithful):

Women get much more feedback in the sexual marketplace than men. But you are only getting feedback on immediate sexual interest, not long term sexual relationship interest. This could explain the market error re female divorce choice. Their perception is skewed by short term sexual interest, leading to divorce based on artificially inflated sexual market value. Once single, and after a few pump and dumps, their true sexual market value is revealed, and they have to settle for something within their shrinking relationship options.

As we know here at the Chateau (but you wouldn’t know by reading only the MSM), the majority of divorces are initiated by women. It stands to reason, then, that a lot of marriages dissolve because the wives get bored of the arrangement, or agitated with their husbands’ domestication. In other words, the martyr theme that women, with the help of their feminist enablers, have carefully crafted for themselves over the decades is a cartload of bullshit. Women are perps as often as, if not more often than, they are victims.

A lot of women initiating divorce probably feel that they have plenty of good years left to snag another man of at least equal value to the husbands they are leaving. It would be more accurate to say “of greater value”, because women hardly ever leave relationships for a shot at a man of the same value. Due to her gender’s hypergamous algorithm, a woman in flux between relationships or freshly out of marriage will be compelled to seek out men of higher value than the man she just left. Until she has had her heart broken one too many times.

The problem, as Sidewinder astutely noted, is that the sexual market is efficient at offering immediate feedback on the kind of sexual interest that a woman can command, but not so efficient at offering feedback on her value as a long term relationship partner. A woman can walk down the street and know instantly by the number of men’s eyes which glance her way, and by the obsequiousness with which men relish her company, how easy it will be for her to arouse a man to want to sleep with her. But she cannot know how many of those men willing to fuck her are also willing to invest in her and nurture a loving relationship with her until she has herself invested time in them. Most men aren’t going to come right out and tell a marginal fling that she isn’t cut out to be his long term girlfriend or wife.

So you see the quandary that women are in. The dating market is great at giving them information on their sexual desirability, but not so good at giving them feedback on their relationship desirability. The later is usually learned by experiencing relationships with men of varying market value to determine a best fit. If she shoots too high, he pumps and dumps her. Too low, and his provider stability isn’t wanted.

And time is no friend to women, whose attractiveness window is shorter than men’s, being as it is contingent almost solely upon their looks. A man’s attractiveness window can conceivably go right to the end of his life, if he has compensating alpha traits for his declining looks.

The problem is compounded for married women, who presumably have been out of the dating scene for years. A woman sheltered in the confines of marital piss has lost touch with distant memories of the alpha males who used her for sex and ignored her need for love and commitment. The memories of inglorious pump and dumps that followed from shooting out of her league have faded, replaced by a feedback mechanism that relies solely on sexual interest, thus titillating her ego as if she were a fresh-faced teenager again.

A woman who thinks inspiring a man to get erect is the ultimate arbiter of her relationship worth is in for a world of pain. It is a harsh lesson many women seem to forget as they are gleefully anticipating dating life after escape from marriage to a beta provider.

You might say there is price inelasticity in women’s long term mate value. The most powerful agent working against falsely held perceptions of men’s long term sexual interest in a woman are memories of past relationships that ended badly when she tried to date out of her league. But in a multi-year marriage, those memories tend to fade and so we get the phenomenon of women initiating divorce with the belief that they can get as good as they got when they were younger.

Reality soon disabuses them of that notion, and the aging divorcée either settles with a man of lower value than her husband was when she met him, or she persists in her delusion aided by the hallucinatory effects of mimosas, cockhopping and cheerleading spinsters like herself.





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  1. I think this is probably a pretty important dynamic in the 2.5x female filed for divorce phenomenon.

    So too though is getting the house, more than half his wealth, and the kids, and child support=also stealth alimony at a very high percentage (tax free to her) of his after tax income if he’s an upper middle class earner particularly in a high tax state.

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  2. at least betas have a purpose now – they can take care of washed up cougars and women who have hit the wall. For the longest time I thought god created them by accident.

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  3. Married people aren’t out of the sexual market per se, but they think they are sometimes. As such, they assume nothing changes in the dating game while they are out of it, and it will be just like it was the last time they were in it. Much to the delight of the men and the consternation of the women after a 20 year marriage implodes, it is not.

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  4. Women, like cares, are depreciating assets.

    Men, like real estate, are appreciating assets.

    Ok, maybe real estate was a bad example. But the gov’t hasn’t yet found a way to rig men’s value and case the whole system to collapse. Yet…

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  5. Oops, typo. Women are like cars, not cares.

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  6. QFT, Doug1.

    In terms of SMV, that’s a tricky one. Women definitely feel sexy more than men do, primarily because there are enough guys out there spitting game — even to the fat ones.

    On the other hand, I feel like I have high SMV only because I know the *signals* that women give when they’re attracted to a guy. The more playful and cocky I am, the easier it is to draw out those signals early. Sure, I get denied and shunned more than the average quiet guy on the street, but I also know exactly what women are thinking because they all give off signs brighter than neon when they’re attracted.

    A man pitching game at a woman doesn’t mean that she’s relationship material, it only means he wants sex, usually. A woman throwing signals can tell you not just if you have sexual value, but if she’s ready to kowtow to your needs quickly and for a good run.

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  7. You’ve got this nailed perfectly. A friend of mine just had her marriage ended, although the husband ended it because he was becoming increasingly insecure. She has since started cashing in her initial SMV and spreading her legs for every knob she can get to stuff her. Her motto is DTF, plain and simple. She is 35 and I’m sure that by the end of all this she will be irreparably damaged goods whom is good to no one for any type of a future, except maybe a crackhead or an extremely desperate and lonely beta.

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  8. Two more reasons are that beautiful women get hit on more and are given more leeway.

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  9. on June 16, 2011 at 7:18 pm Bob Wintersmythe

    Russian women are so pure and superior to American women in every way imaginable:

    http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/russia-considering-abortion-restrictions-to-slow-population-collapse

    –NOT.

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  10. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/14/economy-of-sex-its-cheap-these-days/

    This was an article about the exact same thing yesterday.

    Main Theory: exactly like Chateau’s : Women are confusing their value in the sexual marketplace with their value in the marriage marketplace and getting hit with huge disappointment when they realize their value as marriage material is 100x lower than their value in the sexual marketplace.

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  11. PS: We use SMV a lot of this blog, I think we should also start using MMV (marriage market value)

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  12. This is indeed a problem for women. Not just divorcees and cougars though. It is the same when you are young. When I was 18 I did not know which of the older men buzzing around me like bees wanted to commit to me and which of them just wanted to pump and dump me. At least most boys my own age wanted to be my boyfriend.

    I am 38 now and divorced. But I know that I can get the same men to commit I did then. As both my boyfriends when I was 18-21 when they found out I was divorced have been in touch and made it pretty clear seriously not for a quick roll in the hay. Maybe the men here will say that they were lying for a fuck, but I know them very well. I think not.

    One of them was a social alpha back then. He is divorced too. His wife divorced him.
    She has got herself a new guy now, she has moved into the new guys mansion with my ex’s kids. She had other guys interested but she went with this one. Maybe you guys would call them betas. But I think she cares about monetary status more than social status. I looked up her new guy on the internet, he is good looking. He is also rich. But maybe it will make some guys here feel better to call him a beta and call themselves alpha. I don’t think she would care.

    So I can still get the same man as I could when I was younger. I don’t want him though. I already have a guy whom I love.

    I don’t think my ex will have problems getting a younger woman. You can say that he has a better SMV than his ex wife or me because of this. I don’t know if she would think that. She got what she wants.

    I obviously can’t get a 21 year old in the same social status that I could get when I was 18, i.e. equivalent of this ex at that age to commit to me. But that’s fine. If I wanted that, that would be a very bizarre thing indeed.

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  13. on June 16, 2011 at 7:44 pm Bohemian Rockstar

    This is the truth.

    My ex thought at 40 it was going to be like her 20’s.

    Let’s say, it turned out brutal for her, epic fail actually.

    The unexpected thing, both to her and myself was, that my market value shot through the roof.

    She ended up with a beta and I have a hot girlfriend.

    Can you also do a post on how married men during a divorce don’t realize their increased value, as they believe that it is lower like their early twenties. A look at the other side of the coin, so to speak.

    Excellent post.

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  14. Just finished reading your “How to prey on a womans’ insecurities” blog and i’m not too sure how it appeared in the Google search results as i was searching for porn. Brilliant article mate, really good, and If i may put it bluntly, an absolute fucking sterling use of the English language. You seem to be particulary skilled in the art of being a cunt, and by cunt, i mean genious.

    First of all, the asumption in which women are only good for a “roll in the hay” is a correct one, and one that’s firmly embedded in the mind of every man. Now that might sound a bit harsh, but life is harsh. It’s just great that we can get these important issues out in the open. When you said “you need to breach her defense perimeter indirectly, like a Trojan horse” I must admit, from that moment on, i was in a constant state of arousal. I had a steadily esculating sense that something bad was going to happen as i read on, and sure enough, it did. The feminists retaliated in a predictable and unwarranted fashion, which i thought was both offensive and in bad taste.

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  15. “I am 38 now and divorced. But I know that I can get the same men to commit I did then. As both my boyfriends when I was 18-21 when they found out I was divorced have been in touch and made it pretty clear seriously not for a quick roll in the hay. Maybe the men here will say that they were lying for a fuck, but I know them very well. I think not.”

    Do you think that he thinks you’re more relationship material and this is why he would rather have you than a younger girl?

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  16. As his attorney presented a friend of mine with what alimony payments were likely to be, my friend said hopefully she’d remarry soon and he’d be off the hook.

    The attorney’s response, “They never do.”

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  17. Good God. Pippa Middleton does look like Val Kilmer in drag.

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  18. Actually I would argue that the sexual market is by nature inefficient, as there can never be perfect competition, which is a requirement for an efficient market. Translating into context, we assume men are the buyers and women the sellers in the sexual market. Further, the sexual market does not have several markers necessary for perfect competition:

    1. Infinite buyers and sellers – infinite buyers, perhaps, but not infinite sellers. Some of our sellers are only interested in selling to buyers who meet certain criteria.
    2. Perfect information – only the seller knows the inherent quality and price of her good. This also holds true to some extent for our buyers with respect to quality.
    3. Homogenous products – as I’m certain our host can attest, not all pussy is created equal. A perfect, efficient market needs products that are indistinguishable across all sellers, and would imply that a fit, gorgeous 18 year old fresh off the farm is the sexual equivalent of a 40 year old 300 pound semi-sentient rhinoceros, and clearly this is not the case.

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  19. Epic post.

    Many of these female divorcees also have a kid or two thus adding to their baggage and lower value.
    Even a beta chump will usually think twice before taking on board a second hand woman with kids in tow.
    Sidewinders correct assertions are no more visible than in the bars and clubs of any large city in the (Western) world.

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  20. ” Infinite buyers and sellers – infinite buyers, perhaps, but not infinite sellers. Some of our sellers are only interested in selling to buyers who meet certain criteria.”

    Well, what the sellers often don’t realise is that the buyers are usually more interested in a try before you buy or short term lease arrangement.

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  21. Ways to get out of alimony-

    1) Lose your job and stop earning money. ( I don’t think they would arrest you for being unemployed…but someone please correct me if I am wrong.)

    2) Find an employer willing to hire you and lie under oath low-balling your salary to a judge. (Believe it or not, I have heard of such a case. The guy basically worked in a family business so they were willing to do that for him and his alimony was a pittance.)

    3) Leave the country and never come back. (I am pretty sure they don’t extradite you, again someone correct me if I am wrong.)

    None of these options are particularly moral, realistic, or even a good idea, but they are options.

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  22. in 200 years time, when marriage and relationships becomes an established science, this blog will be its Adam Smith

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  23. on June 16, 2011 at 8:47 pm Miley Cyrax

    @Awoman
    “So I can still get the same man as I could when I was younger.”

    Stop the presses! Woman proves 38 year-old women are just as attractive to men as 21 year-old girls with sample size n = 2!

    Girls are like tiles. Once you lay them down right the first time you can walk all over them forever.

    Your ex-boyfriends no longer have hot 18-21 year olds in their social circle.

    They perceive that it would be easier to bang you than it would to bang a comparable woman. I keep in touch with old flames and flings not because I’m just as attracted to them (I’m LESS attracted to them because I’ve already banged them) but because I might need to break glass in case of emergency.

    It’s not about preference, it’s about access and convenience.

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  24. “Oh Cock.”

    Is a lot better. Since it will cause confusion, curiosity, anticipation, and excitement from the subliminal imagery of a giant phallus wielded by an alpha. It’s also a huge cocky and funny line. Maximum effect on girls you slept with so they can fantasize and remember the last jack hammering.

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  25. David:

    The key to preventing alimony is as follows:

    1. Never show a woman your check stub, bank balance or credit report. I keep one bank account that sends me a statement to my home, and I don’t keep much money in there. I typically put my taxes and utilities on it, as well as a few nights out a month. When I’m with a woman, I always pay cash, and I don’t show off large stacks of bills. No one knows how much I make. I drive a used truck and a used car (both 10 years old).

    2. Incorporate a few businesses, S-corps. Don’t get a W2 job, focus on 1099 income reported to the corporations. Keep money in those accounts until you have to dividend it out, and then don’t share how much you do.

    3. File your taxes married filing separately. Set up your taxes so you ALWAYS pay April 15th — then complain about how painful paying taxes is every year. Loudly.

    4. Don’t get credit cards in both your name. If she wants to charge something that you want to pay for, let HER charge it and give her the cash to pay it. Maybe pay it over time even so you seem like you don’t have a big nest egg.

    5. Consistently take cash out of your ATMs and store it away (I prefer gold and silver). If you feel like she might divorce you, go to a casino every so often and spend a bit gambling. The PI will report this back to her, and when she tries to find your assets, you can say you gambled it away.

    6. Spend your money on things that make you happy, and learn to throw receipts away immediately. ALL receipts that aren’t deductions. Make this a habit.

    The basic premise for me today is to never tell a woman how much I earn, and never flaunt my wealth. I make good money, but I surely have no reason to show it to women — there are easier ways to land great women and it’s spelled with a G and ends with AME. When they’re uncertain of your financial value, it actually works in your favor.

    Women are getting more knowledgeable that BMWs can be leased and big loft condos can be rented. But when she never sees wealth nor poverty, her curiosity will soar. “I am diligent at saving for my regular vacations” is a common line I throw out (I vacation twice a month, every month).

    When they want to do something I don’t want to do, I can throw out “Nah, I’m saving for my trip to Copenhagen, bring videos and Jack instead.” See? Double win.

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    • A B Dada,

      You THE MAN, for sure. Have learnt a lot from reading your comments in the last weeks.

      But I do see a contradiction in this post and somewhere else where you mentioned that you do take the gals to where you bank and where you are able to demonstrate high social value to her because the bank manager comes fawning due to your big customer status yada yada.

      Good and solid advice nuggets in your various posts, nevertheless. Keep them coming …

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      • Actually, I don’t take girls to the bank — I talk to girls AT the bank, sometimes even bankers. That’s a quandry, for sure, but bank tellers have never really been long term material. They’re usually fun, though, because they deal with irate customers all day long, so going out with someone cocky/aloof is something they definitely need in their lives.

        If I do go to the bank, it’s typically to hit the ATM that I don’t keep too much in (but not too little). If for some reason a gal peeks at my receipt, she’ll see a nice balance of $1-$2k, but nothing outrageous.

        Thanks for the compliments, WJ. Also, thanks for threaded comments, Roissy!

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  26. on June 16, 2011 at 9:02 pm Miley Cyrax

    @ Inkraven
    “Actually I would argue that the sexual market is by nature inefficient, as there can never be perfect competition, which is a requirement for an efficient market. Translating into context, we assume men are the buyers and women the sellers in the sexual market. Further, the sexual market does not have several markers necessary for perfect competition:

    1. Infinite buyers and sellers – infinite buyers, perhaps, but not infinite sellers. Some of our sellers are only interested in selling to buyers who meet certain criteria.
    2. Perfect information – only the seller knows the inherent quality and price of her good. This also holds true to some extent for our buyers with respect to quality.
    3. Homogenous products – as I’m certain our host can attest, not all pussy is created equal. A perfect, efficient market needs products that are indistinguishable across all sellers, and would imply that a fit, gorgeous 18 year old fresh off the farm is the sexual equivalent of a 40 year old 300 pound semi-sentient rhinoceros, and clearly this is not the case.”

    I believe for efficient markets products need not be homogenous, as long as their prices compensate. I typically think of efficient markets as no-arbitrage markets.

    Perfect Information and infinitely buyers and sellers is the biggie. Liquidity (may not be buyers or sellers at the “price level” you’re offering, even if it’s the correct one), search costs (you can’t find a mate sitting at home), transaction costs (break-ups can be unpleasant, as well as the dating process).

    All in all I think the sexual market is relatively efficient, but far from perfectly efficient. You’ll find diamonds in the rough once in awhile, but not nearly consistently enough to depend on it.

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  27. on June 16, 2011 at 9:24 pm Born Again Alpha

    Ha ha. Funny comments.

    In terms of an efficient market inkraven makes an interesting point. I think the big market breakdown is the perfect information assumption. When getting married women lie to their future husband and to themselves about what they want, what sort of wife they will be and about how much they love their future husband. If a future husband has money and a good job and other checklist requirements there can be some serious hamster generated misinformation skewing the efficient market.

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  28. “Good God. Pippa Middleton does look like Val Kilmer in drag.”

    Perhaps it’s an indictment against the British and their women that Pippa Middleton is considered to have a great ass (its a nice one, at best) and is considered hot.

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  29. Men want women who pass the boner test. Women want alpha providers. With these qualities, I’d say the sexual market is about as efficient as it could be.

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  30. Attention Aoefe Ansar, who still writes about her “alpha ex”

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  31. Stumbled upon this blog a few days ago and it’s the most eye-opening reading since the mystery method. Keep up, man

    Am i right to guess that only light misogynists might have success with women long-term?
    Don’t hate them at all, and they will fuck you up the ass with the divorce laws 1-foot strap-on.
    Hate them too much and you won’t know what the hell you’re doing.

    Otherwise, about this article, i think there are enough greater betas out there willing to commit with a used up divorcee. If she’s deperate enough and with a little hamster rationalization, she won’t notice the difference between him and a lesser alpha (your terminology is starting to sink in) .
    I’ve heard of high status males (millionaires and such) commiting with 35+ single moms. Either they’re clueless about a woman’s value (unnatural belief that sexual history doesn’t count…), or just believe the hype that older women are wiser, more experienced… thanks to the himmlerian feminist propaganda.

    Anyway, glad to know about this blog, got a lot to catch up on.

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    • Firstly, hate isn’t required, just realism. A realistic appraisal of value, boundaries, options, etc. Second, the reason single moms exist and have some success is that sexy=fertile. Clearly moms are fertile, and it is a perfectly valid evolutionary strategy to give a fertile woman her second, third, etc., children when the original father has “abandoned” her or “been killed” in the view of our hindbrains.

      [Editor: Only the sexy ones have some success, but even they have to settle for less than what they could get had they been single and childless. No alpha male worth his options will consider sexy single moms on par with sexy single ladies, except as convenient holes to scratch an itch.]

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  32. I think having sex too soon and too easily is like crossing the road without looking. By making sure the roads is clear and safe first will increase the probability of us getting to the other side alive. : )

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  33. You know what really pisses women off?

    Re: My sister, arch conservative feminist of the “I hate sluts” variety, but “If my husband divorced me I’d ream him” sort.

    You’re the same age, and she was supposedly the hot one (once); but you have a hot 11-year-younger significant other and she’s got more or less zero pull on the SM, after 2 kids and in her late 30s. And here you are with a hot young thing.

    Fuck, does that just piss the living shit out of them. Every possible emasculating slander she can muster she throws at family events until her mother tells her to shut up already.

    Nobody knows the reason. But I do.

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  34. And my So still doesn’t know how much money I actually have.

    No reason for it.

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  35. “Nobody knows the reason. But I do.”

    To point out the bleeding obvious by using a analogy…

    In the Sexual/Dating market, her stocks have turned to junk.

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  36. “hopefully she’d remarry soon and he’d be off the hook.
    The attorney’s response, “They never do.””

    A yes. Try a “dum casta” clause.

    There are several problems though.

    1) She takes up with a lover boy, and he becomes a live-in. The courts don’t
    usually recognize this as a alimony-stopper. (One case I know personally,
    both divorcing spouses have nice incomes, but she now has a lover boy
    as househusband. The ex if forced to support the whole thing.

    2) Child support is pretty much immune to “dum casta”. Remember,
    “it is for the children”.

    3) Depending on the details, you may never get ANY form of “dum casta”,
    she can marry rich and the ex still pays.

    Inisist, on getting a “cum casta” with teeth in it.
    You might not get very far, but it can make you look good
    and it can soften up the opposition.

    Thor

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  37. A view from the fifty-plus crowd is that I, like many of my friends, were beta provider / good father / loving husband who, being utterly without game, had no idea how to manage our marriages and were dumped by our exes (reasons: I’m bored, or I don’t love you any more, or some such thing) – who then, without exception, had their post-divorce flings and then married down. In some cases, way down. I love to see my ex and her new husband together; he’s an even worse beta than I was and she openly despises him but they just had a kid of their own and she’s stuck. I game her relentlessly, just for the hell of it. And even with child support (we love our kids!) our own finances are improving as theirs declines. There is no way that I’ll ever remarry and I openly tell my girlfriends that (well, the words used are “I’d love to have more kids, someday, but I’m waiting for the right girl to come along” and such) and the effect it has on them is just remarkable; you can see the smoke coming off the bearings on those hamster wheels. I can’t get over how counter-intuitive game is for me, and how doing things that my head tells me are just plain wrong are so effective in the real world.

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  38. Bored, depreciating ladies, start your hamsters… oh, be sure to pick up some more Tidy Cat (multiple strength, for multiple cats) and Meow Mix on your way back home.

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  39. Fucking amazng post… upper division rel stuff.

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  40. conversely, men are less likely to initiate divorce because their immediate feedback mechanism assesses what they are programmed to seek. they realize the difficulty of getting laid, so they are willing to bear it with their likely overweight and unattractive wife with whom sex even once a year is better than de facto celibacy. but, could even the lowliest married shlub undervalue himself? after all, he was able to snag a wife when that wife was presumably prettier, so it’s likely he would be able to get some here and there. this suggests that men are risk averse in and about relationships…

    what kind of man initiates a divorce and for what reasons?

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    • I initiated divorce upon being cut off completely. No risk there. Was a beta and took all kinds of shit leading up to that point. Once I reached the tipping point there was no turning back. Once I initiated divorce, of course, that was the alpha move that wet her panties, but for me it was too much water under the bridge. I was voluntarily celibate during the 60 day waiting period – that, too, caused my new dates’ panties to drip with dew.

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  41. This is exactly what I was thinking. Most older women who look decent probably still think they have high sexual value but they don’t have relationship value. A guy would fuck a girl who’s just over the hill but most high value guys wouldn’t shack up with one.

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  42. I filed divorce on my wife because she was cheating on me. When I first found out, during one of our fights I told her the guy was only using her as an easy fuck (she was 44, he 34). She got hysterical and screamed “What, you think I can’t get good looking guys”. Apparently fucking a young guy had boosted her imagined SMV. Been divorced a few months now and I’m doing MUCH better than her, physically, financially, and mentally. Her boyfriend left her for a woman closer to his own age (SURPRISE!), and she has had to move our daughter back into the house to help her make ends meet.
    As for me, when the divorce was final, I immediately bought a house with some money I had managed to stash. I now do what I want, when I want. At 46 years old, I have dated women as young as 32, and am currently juggling 3 women. Yes, there is life after divorce.

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  43. Roissy, could you please elaborate on your discussion of the price inelasticity of a womens long term mate value? Are you referring to an inelasticity of demand?

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  44. Anonymous,

    Women are so dumb. She ruins her marriage for some younger cock even though she is middle aged …… is she nuts ????

    She is in many ways, the typical American feminazi who lives a delusion. To much Sex and the City, DEsperate Housewives, and shows about “Cougars”.

    She must have thought that she was living a TV show. This stuff really affects the female brain. They cant filter out sense from nonsense like the male brain.

    I want to say I feel bad for her, but I don’t . She toast. An aging middle aged divorcee. Ugh !

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  45. Awoman,

    I am 38 now and divorced. But I know that I can get the same men to commit I did then.

    No you can’t.

    I will, however, give you the honor to…

    …..Detox my Buttox.

    -GB

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  46. @Awoman
    “I am 38 now and divorced.”

    Did you divorce your husband because you were “bored”?

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  47. “In yesterday’s post, it was posited that later marriages are less likely to end in divorce because older spouses have fewer options in the dating market.”

    You make it sound as women are rational agents. No, they are emotive, and 50 is the new 30 and there is Eat Pray Love and there is the Mommy Government.

    “But she cannot know how many of those men willing to fuck her are also willing to invest in her and nurture a loving relationship with her until she has herself invested time in them.”

    Another proof women are shallow. If you are good for long relationships, this should be clear from your self knowledge, at least as much as external events. If you rely only on other’s reaction, you are not good for long term.

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  48. Vancouver doesn’t seem to be handling that Hefner breakup very well.

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  49. You can go wide ((x>3) parallel dating /ltr relationships, or you can go deep.

    I am appreciative of the incredible levels of sexual deviancy I can inspire in newly divorced women who crave the cock as a gateway to something long term.

    The Viennese oyster is now mainstream: http://www.sexinfo101.com/vienneseoyster.shtml

    God praise the AAML.

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  50. on June 17, 2011 at 9:32 am Jack B. Nimble

    The problem that we have today is that women are taught to think for themselves, when they are unable to do so. In the past, the father drove away the pump and dump seducers and assessed and cut a deal with an appropriate suitor.

    What has happened is that fathers have ceased to perform that role, for a whole host of reasons. This means that dating has reverted to a primitive tribal state minus the institutions of dowry and brideprice. At least brideprice sorted out who was prepared to pay top dollar for a girl. You rarely pump and dump what you pay a lot for.

    Without dowry and brideprice, women are caught up in who wants to have sex with them, with no clear indication of their relationship value. Basically, the dating market has been soclialized.

    Accordingly, the men who command the most pussy are those whom women see as the best providers by external displays such as Rolex watches and Bentley cars, or on the basis of game, because game implies that you have assessed your value and it is higher than hers. However, none of the above is a reliable predicter of relationship value.

    The only way that such a market can operate successfully is with fault based divorce, with no loss of property and no alimony where she cheats, etc., and with high alimony and property division where he strays [Remember that until the 1920s, divorce required habitual adultery from a husband and one act of adultery from a wife.] This is because the brideprice is paid in arrear.

    The problem is that no fault divorce means that the woman can access her brideprice by breaking up the marriage. This is one reason – in addition to yours – why the divorce rate is high and is initiated by women.

    I do not share your attitude to marriage, because eventually the testosterone ebbs for most men and they desire comfort over constant sexual encounters. Seduction takes effort and costs time and money. But marriage without an ironclad pre-nup or marriage outside of legally conservative places such as Malaysia is the equivalent of taking out a multi-million dollar life assurance policy on your life and giving it to your next door neighbor’s son – the biker with the drug habit.

    The one form of relationship that is verboten in the socialized marriage market is a a marriage between a much younger woman and a wealthy older man. Older women who will not say “Boo!” when their daughter is being screwed by a crack dealer with HIV/AIDS, become very vocal over inappropriate relationships with older men. Why is this? Partly jealousy. But also partly socialism. Being a pumped and dumped slut is no fun if the really great guys – read rich Alphas – when they finally settle down, choose a hot, virginal 18 year old. Their mortality and the irrevocability of their choices drives the sluts mad. Which is why it was the father, not the mother who traditionally made the decisions on whom the daughter would wed. Fathers who hang around are genuinely interested in their daughters’ well-being. Mothers are more interested in what the neighbors might think. Why? Because if you are physically weak, then in Nature, they may beat you up.

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  51. It stands to reason, then, that a lot of marriages dissolve because the wives get bored of the arrangement,

    Men avoid divorce – it takes half a fortune.
    Women seek divorce to take half a fortune.

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  52. AB Dada — Jesus Christ, man, this is way too much effort. Just insist on a prenup before marriage. The only issue that cannot be waived in a prenup is child support; therefore, don’t have any children with the bitch.

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    • I wish it was that easy, Go Galt. The 1990 Illinois Uniform Premarital Agreement Act has invalidated many pre-nups on various grounds such as “too one-sided” or “creates an unforeseen state of poverty.” One of my lawyers does family law, and he’s seen ridiculous reasoning for invalidating certain parts of a pre-nup.

      Of course, I won’t marry again (unless she’s loaded or internationally famous, or possibly Monagesque royalty), but I do recommend prenups for my male friends (who rarely take the advice). I didn’t have a prenup in my marriage, and it took me 3 solid years to recover financially from the drain. I didn’t take my own advice, but I had learned most of it since that failure.

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  53. on June 17, 2011 at 10:04 am The Real Vince

    Tom Leykis — Women are Depreciating Assets…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLQkNNVWdsI (starts at 1:20. A show man, he kind of oversells it.)

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  54. Interesting, is it not, how womyn make a big production out of marriage, and criticize men for their alleged lack of commitment. And how the standard chick flik ends with a great big geek wedding. Yet it is womyn who initiate the majority of divorces. Marriage to many womyn is simply a big toy they want, then quickly grow tired of. It seems the walk down the aisle is the last act in this play.

    Men are seeing the truth in growing numbers, hence the marriage strike. Womyn can now be freed to eat pray love to their heart’s discontent.

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    • on June 18, 2011 at 3:50 pm (R)Evolutionary

      Someone here said that women want a wedding, not necessarily to be married.

      Perhaps the big marriage is a sign of commitment of resources, creating temporary tingles. I would surmise that all tingles are temporary, and that alpha status and behavior are a constant producer of tingles, thereby ensuring a steady flow of tingle-incited poon and/or marital fidelity.

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  55. Men make the same mistake, in reverse. When I was gameless and relatively low status (right out of college) trying to compete with basically every man 23-45 for the same group of 20 something women the feedback I got led me to believe I had really low SMV. As I get older, rise in status, and get better at game the same group of women is easier and easier to get, to the point where the power dynamic has switched decidedly my favor.

    There are girls that I would have considered a catch at 23 that I wouldn’t touch at 28. I think men that marry young really sell themselves short because they haven’t reached their peak SMV yet.

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  56. To add to this meme: attractive young wives with children get hit on by men at work or at the gym, i.e.when sans kids, and thus their hamsters rationalize a higher SMV for themselves. If the men hitting on them knew about their kids, stretch marked guts, shrivelled boobs, and csection scars, they wouldnt even offer a pump n dump. But the hamster buries these thoughts, and divorce papers get issued.

    [Editor: Good observation. A couple of times I had dates with good looking women who, unbeknownst to me at the time, had bastard spawn. One of them wanted to take me home on the first date. As soon as they spilled the beans about their kids, I bolted.]

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    • All the more amusing if the “kids” are 5’11” and named DeShawn and TaQuonda. “Whoa…look at the time,will ya? Must be off…”

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  57. on June 17, 2011 at 11:05 am greatbooksformen GBFM

    Anonymous
    As a butthexer, I think we can both agree that the law does not necessarily have to reflect your [or my] moral opinion.

    A law can be in effect, and be morally repugnant.

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  58. Girls are like tiles. Once you lay them down right the first time you can walk all over them forever.

    gold.

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  59. Young men under the age of 25. Read this post again and consider your future carefully. The percentage of women you meet who would make good marital partners is in the single digits. And of those single digits, only some will be interested in dating and eventually marrying you.

    Put simply, most women are not marriage material, any more than most guys you meet are good material for loyal friendship.

    Add to that modern martial laws and mores, which heap economic and emotional risk on men for the marriage failing, and the case for marriage is hard to make. So why do men still marry? I dunno. I assume it is the vestiges of centuries of cultural mores and expectations, rooted in the past when men faced a different set of laws/incentives regarding marriage, and those mores still push you toward marriage. (Kind of like how dumb, young men in 1917 charged machine gun nests in Europe, thinking that is what brave men do, because their culture seemed to say so.) Well, that and the increased interest from women, who understand well that marriage can usually enhance their situation, in most circumstances.

    I know, I know. You have met the special princess of the realm, who is soooooo much different and wonderful, and you will know true love forever, etc., Etc.

    No, probabilities say you are wrong. I have watched many guys hit their late 30s and early 40s and get completely creamed by wives who simply shrugged at them, and proceeded to devastate lives those men spent decades carefully constructing. Why? Go see Eat Pray Love and try to figure it out. It is apparently a mixture of boredom, narcissism and lack of character. Of course, those women frequently find out that their prior marriage was a safe harbor, not a straitjacket. They never admit it, nor do they admit they screwed things up, and their typical response is bitterness at their ex and men generally for not keeping them happy. Whatever the hell happy is.

    Feel free to have kids, if that is what you want. But don’t marry unless there is financial benefit to you. If you do marry, never let her stop working. Not after kids, especially. Keep control of your financial matters, and structure it so there is no financial benefits available upon divorce.

    Most of you will not listen, I know. But remember what you read here. It will help.

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    • The dilemma for MOST guys is that they don’t have game, and they don’t have options when they date women. For the typical 80% of the flock of guys out there, they feel it’s a miracle they even have one woman who wants to spend time with them. I’ll never use the phrase “I got lucky last night” because there is little luck in the way I operate.

      Telling guys marriage is too risky isn’t enough — we need to get them to understand and be confident in Game, and learn that no single woman is worth your life and your stability, and that the more options you have, the more options you’ll continue to have.

      Warning about marriage is only important for betas and omegas, who won’t agree anyway. We need to instill a sense of Game fanaticism so that guys can upgrade their own lives and nod their head to posts like this.

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  60. I am 38 now and divorced. But I know that I can get the same men to commit I did then. As both my boyfriends when I was 18-21 when they found out I was divorced have been in touch and made it pretty clear seriously not for a quick roll in the hay. Maybe the men here will say that they were lying for a fuck, but I know them very well. I think not.

    So I can still get the same man as I could when I was younger. I don’t want him though.

    so what you’re saying is that you can have the same two beta orbiters today as you could 20 years ago.

    moar qualifications please, it’s a slow boring friday….

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  61. One factor that plays into the miscalculation of their true SMV is in the way that women make such calculations and decisions generally. Women do not independently make decisions. This is perhaps another flaw in applying market theory to their choices (which are also rarely rational.)

    As some commentators have noted, Eat Love Pray, Oprah, their bitch friends, their counselor, their mother…women are extremely dependent on outside sources of validation to encourage and support their decisionmaking. But few women are willing to shoot straight in advising other women, or out of their own insecurities, they seek to perpetuate pretty lies in order to vicariously push their ‘friend’ to do something they are too afraid to do.

    In short, there is a culture of “you leave him, girl” floating about the ether. Women will never admit it, and will nod along when you talk about what a tragedy the divorce epidemic has become for families in our country, but when its their friend ragging on her boring, cheating, mean, (fill in the blank) husband, all these women sing the same chorus. And those women seem to disappear once the drama has faded, and the friend they “supported” starts to experience a dating market that was a little more harsh than all her girlfriends told her to expect.

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    • “You leave him, girl”: bet that one was coined by Commercial Cat Breeders’ Association of America.

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    • on August 3, 2011 at 1:28 pm Ari Hinkelberger

      This comment is so damn true. Nothing like getting dating advice from a bunch of women who can’t get a commitment and only get pump and dumped

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  62. @ Passingby:

    “I have watched many guys hit their late 30s and early 40s and get completely creamed by wives who simply shrugged at them, and proceeded to devastate lives those men spent decades carefully constructing. Why? Go see Eat Pray Love and try to figure it out. It is apparently a mixture of boredom, narcissism and lack of character. Of course, those women frequently find out that their prior marriage was a safe harbor, not a straitjacket. They never admit it, nor do they admit they screwed things up, and their typical response is bitterness at their ex and men generally for not keeping them happy.”

    This passage really rings true. I know of more than a couple women who 8, 10, 12 years past the divorce still use the ex-husband as the scapegoat for why everything went wrong in their lives. I’ve heard them say things like “He’s trying to ruin my life!” when the truth of the situation is that she actually did ruin what he thought was his life, he recovered, while she continued on the same downward trajectory that led her to divorce in the first place. A woman’s wall of denial is remarkably strong.

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  63. The article does not address the fact that women like my current girlfriend, who is 53 and overweight, has deluded herself into believing she is extremely desirable.

    [Editor: You could always leave her. That might jostle a few reality-based neurons.]

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  64. The relationship marketplace is distorted by, wait for it…. the usual bad actor, government. In Germany and certain other European countries, women have a very good idea of their relationship value, because men have easy, legal access to prostitutes. Interestingly women tend to approach men in this situation.

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  65. I would feel like I was being disloyal to my son taking the side a man who wasn’t his father over him. I don’t think twice about taking his father side against him because he loves him. This is why if I were a man I wouldn’t be interested in a single mother.

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  66. The relationship marketplace is distorted by, wait for it…. the usual bad actor, government. In Germany and certain other European countries, women have a very good idea of their relationship value, because men have easy, legal access to prostitutes.

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  67. This is a timely post after watching a situation happen where a 39 year-old overweight woman broke up with a guy who was tall, good-looking, kind-hearted, greater beta, and on a path toward good lifetime income.

    Of course this woman followed the cliche to the letter – becoming a yoga devotee right after the breakup, and working to lose all the weight that she steadfastly refused to lose for her devoted boyfriend. She suddenly found an interest in improving her harsh personality and becoming more feminine.

    But it’s all too little too late. What a horrible, delusional miscalculation. Women just cannot make rational decisions.

    As she turns 40 and thinks she’ll be a cougar, showered in attention from younger hotter guys, her life will actually begin to get worse and worse. If her hamster ever takes a break, she will realize that she acted like a petulant, ungrateful bitch toward the one person who loved her more than anyone in his right mind would. A chance for love like that only comes around a couple times in a woman’s life. But they treat it like disposable trash.

    Now this guy feels like his life is devastated, like he lost something extremely important. Over time, he will take notice of all those younger, hotter girls recognizing that he’s a cool, attractive guy, but right now his confidence is in the toilet.

    She, meanwhile, will follow the same worn out path of many before her – refusing to admit that SHE was at fault for the majority of the things that happened to her, and believing that the magic alpha prince (the same kind of guy she whored around with all through her best years) will be waiting just around the corner to notice how awesome she is.

    I know this sounds bitter but I wanted to add to the chorus that serves as a warning to younger men reading….I have seen every single one of my male friends who chose to settle into marriage or long-term relationships, fall into one of two traps: they settled with a fat hag 2 points beneath them in attractiveness, just so they could have that security of a steady girl, OR they invested and committed with a girl they thought really loved them, and subsequently had their lives destroyed in their late thirties when she “shrugged and fell out of love” or cheated on him out of nowhere. DON’T DO IT. GAME FOR LIFE!

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  68. hmm, immediate feedback versus relationship nonsense. Remember, five minutes of alpha beats five years of beta. So, maybe we’re projecting betafied relationship desires on to the ladies.

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  69. At a drinking get-together of my high school friends last year I was groped and more or less attacked by a girl I dated back then. She was hot back in the day, but now after 2 kids and 40 years old the thickening has set in.

    I wasn’t attracted and anyway, no way would I hit that because I don’t want to be involved in any way if her marriage to her boring beta hubby tanks.

    Several of us crashed at one guy’s house. I figured she had just been drunk and let her emotions and longing for lost youth get the better of her.

    The kicker was that the next morning, sober, she tried to logically convince me to sleep with her. I didn’t have the heart to tell her that my penis has become accustomed to banging the tight bodies of women 15 years younger than her.

    A classic case of a woman who thinks her SMV is way higher than it actually is.

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  70. askjoe,

    You took the words out of my mouth. I was wondering the exact same thing. 30+ attractive wife decides she’s done with having babies, so maybe pump and dumps by lessor alphas leading to temporary ego boosts are exactly what they’re looking for.

    [Editor: Every woman wants love, no matter her age. The need for commitment from a high value man does not wane once a woman has kids. Menopause is the only natural life event I can think of that might affect a woman’s desire to be loved. But by then, who gives a shit?]

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    • “Editor: Every woman wants love, no matter her age.”

      how could you possibly know what every woman wants?

      [Editor: Experience.]

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      • but the rub is the “…from a higher value man.”
        That is, being in a harem – getting a one night stand a month – may be preferable to the white picket fence, suburban dream.

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  71. on June 17, 2011 at 2:23 pm Beer Monkey

    At 40 my ex got ‘bored’ with me and split. I got lucky and didn’t lose much in the divorce (no kids). The last three years we were together she claimed ‘fibromyalgia’ and that she was in too much pain to work. She porked up and I got tired of fucking her and tired of her leeching off me, I should have thrown her out but then she would have tried to milk me dry; guilt over being the one that left prompted her to not seek a large divorce settlement.

    Fibromyalgia my ass, she immediately went back to working a demanding, on-her-feet job after we split up.

    Flash forward three years and she has found a Facebook beta to move across the country and ‘take care’ of her (she’s already cut her hours back to part time). Poor bastard, but better him than me.

    Me? I stay single and only date women 10-18 years my junior and hotter than she ever was. Life is good and only getting better.

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  72. on June 17, 2011 at 2:26 pm Beer Monkey

    azuzuru, EVERY smoking hot girl I went to high school with turned into either a fat pig (most of them) or an emaciated, dried up skeletor by the time 20 years passed. I occasionally meet a hot 40 year old (though I don’t date them, would rather have a younger girl that is less jaded and calculating) but they sure as hell came from somewhere other than my home town.

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  73. Anonymous

    As a lawyer, I think we can both agree that the law does not necessarily have to reflect your [or my] moral opinion.

    Thanks to lawyers,
    the law reflects
    no morality

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  74. Living well is always the best revenge.

    Surely the highest instantiation of this notion is running into your ex and her down-market new husband when you have a Playboy-class 20-something hardbody on your arm.

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  75. on June 17, 2011 at 5:04 pm Anonymous coward

    Been lurking here for a while and finally decided to leave a comment.

    In my experience,a major,monstrous,huge problem with women in general is the inability ( or a better term might be “willful refusal” ) to look at marriage as a business partnership with some occasional sex thrown into the mix. And what most women refuse to acknowledge is that they have very little to bring to the table,if they aren’t a teacher,nurse,or have some government job with decent insurance benefits and a generous pension plan.

    This goes double for the would-be cougar with a couple of kids,and some extra pounds and stretch marks,and it’s a very good illustration of SMV vs. RMV .

    The hypothetical wannabe cougar is fine for the occasional one nighter,and they can honestly be quite a bit of fun,since at least a few of them realize below the conscious level that they ain’t all that and a cup of coffee any longer,and to compensate,they need to work like hell. ( the sweat of desperation can,under certain circumstances,be a turn on… ).

    But as a move-in???? No way. They usually have very little in the way of assets,they seldom care much about any of the housekeeping skills that used to be taken for granted ( and they really are skills,despite what Cosmo might say ),and they have those children that:

    a)were not fathered by you and
    b)still need feeding

    Sorry girls. If your ex wasn’t good enough for you,I’m going to vote that sooner or later,I’m not going to be good enough for you either. And I’ll save us both a lot of trouble by leaving early.

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  76. on June 17, 2011 at 5:51 pm DiamondEyes

    Agree with everything there Anon Coward. I have also been thinking about how for a woman, a relationship is like a career, and should be seen that way. If you don’t know what you want and flit around from man to man, you end up looking like shit because your resume is full of short stints. Your options become more and more limited each time you quit in boredom or frustration.

    If you choose the wrong career from the outset, you are doomed to be mediocre at best. If, however, you choose your career (or relationship) very carefully, and then commit to working hard to make it the best, no matter what challenges come at you, you’ll succeed and be happy on balance.

    If you throw in the towel and switch careers at 40 years old, thinking the grass will be greener if you start all over, you face disadvantages that you didn’t anticipate, and your chances at happiness are much lower.

    You can choose to make whatever relationship you are in be the best it can be, or you can re-direct all that energy into starting over from scratch with someone else who has a new set of problems. Today’s American woman has been groomed to throw in the towel at the first sign of hardship, and chase the bigger better deal. Today’s man is well-advised to respond with an all-out marriage strike.

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  77. At 48, after being burnt twice, (once after 18 years & not once cheating one her or striking her), women, to me, are nothing more than a sperm receptacle. Sorry, but reality bites.

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  78. @Burton:
    “Marriage to many womyn is simply a big toy they want, then quickly grow tired of. It seems the walk down the aisle is the last act in this play”

    Q: What is the biggest sex killer in a marriage?

    A: The wedding cake.

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  79. Fantastic post. A roissy classic.

    A woman will act like she has a high sexual market value but once she is banged by an alpha on the first or second date then the insecurities will come to the fore and you’ll see that whilst she usually “does not go home with guys on the first date”, she also doesn’t want the second date as she realises she’s shooting too high…

    Most “alpha” guys are lower class, street characters, have no idea of any other way…. So when you get a guy with a good job, good background and solid alpha game (often a previous beta who has learned the ropes) then she really knows she’s struggling to punch at his level, and this guy can get the same or better every weekend he goes out…

    My vulnerability game is rubbish but I honestly can’t handle a proper relationship right now. I want a girl who turns up at my door at 11pm and leaves at 11am, with no pretence of dates etc. I get bored too quickly with “dates” and the best conversations are post sex anyway. I had a 11-11 FWB but she bailed recently so the search goes on…

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  80. Riff Dog–

    As his attorney presented a friend of mine with what alimony payments were likely to be, my friend said hopefully she’d remarry soon and he’d be off the hook.

    The attorney’s response, “They never do.”

    I think the California provision of automatic lifetime alimony after 10 years of marriage is really outrageous. Further I’ve read that in two counties where they have a guideline formula, that formula is that he owes her every year for life 40% of the excess of his after tax income over hers, if any.

    I’d never marry in California without a prenup that mimics living together in the event of a divorce. Well I wouldn’t marry anywhere without that, but especially not in California.

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  81. Firstly, excellent observations as always.

    Secondly, I would argue that :
    The lesson described here, is never really learned by women.
    “A woman who thinks inspiring a man to get erect is the ultimate arbiter of her relationship worth is in for a world of pain. It is a harsh lesson many women seem to forget as they are gleefully anticipating dating life after escape from marriage to a beta provider.”

    There are plently of women, married and/or dating, who may be with the “perfect alpha” as described by this site (Which I agree with) but if they percieve that their own sexual market value is higher than it really is, and they believe they can do better than this man, they will leave him in search of something worth their own value.

    It doesn’t matter the amount of attraction to the current alpha, she will use her own perception of her sexual market value and compare it to her man’s. If she percieves a positive imbalance in her favor, she will leave even if the reality is in fact different.

    For women, it doesn’t, never has, and never will, matter what the reality of the situation is, but what their own perception of the situation is. No matter how flawed it may be.

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  82. This is primarily for men who are in relationships and need to maintain hand in that relationship and keep their woman in tow.

    One needs to understand women, at their level.

    Before that, one simple truth is: Only when you dont need a woman, will you be able to keep one. This attitude has to show through in your daily life.

    Men are simplistic creatures, who mainly use logic and rationality. Simple pleasures like farting, revving up engines, solving problems, smelling the fresh morning air – these quickly fill up our one and only compartment of contentment in our brains.

    Women on the other hand have several compartments in their brains, the logical / rational one being only one of many. Emotional compartments over-run with feelings of the moment constitute most of their consciousness. They also have large compartments of insecurity, jealousy, sadness … the darker emotions. And these compartments do not fill up easily, more like leaky holes.

    Most men tend to drift towards the provider role and think that if they provide well, slog it out and provide the white picket fence, 2 garage dream, all will be well in puss-land. Doesnt work like that. Why ? Because all of this only fills up one of their compartments i.e. of security and happiness. But a woman’s definition of existence is one of eternal dissatisfaction, you cannot ever make her 100% happy. Heck, even 50% would be a crap shoot.

    So how does one deal with this ?

    “WWJD?” i.e. what would a jerk do ?

    He jerks her around emotionally. Unpredictable. Games her one moment, is aloof the next. Makes her the center of his world for 5 minutes, then doesnt even acknowledge her presence for several days or weeks.

    i.e. Dont aim to fill up her happiness bucket. Fuck that old, worn out thinking – that doesnt give results. You have to fill up her different buckets in the brain, to varying levels.

    Make her feel alive. She feels alive when all her mental compartment cylinders are firing. Happiness alone bores her. It doesnt cut it for her. She needs anxiety, jealousy, sadness, anger, a little bit of fear – i.e. she needs to feel all possible emotions conflicting insider that tiny brain of hers – and if you are the source of these emotions, you can tweak them till you overwhelm her and short circuit her brain into submission.

    Most of this comes naturally to most alphas, but it can be learnt. As someone here said: A woman is a sacred monument … built upon the foundation of a sewer. This is what you are up against, all that sugary sweet charm and innocence aside.

    In summary, no more 5$ rose buds on friday evening after a tiring week at work. Instead …. “WWJD ?”

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  83. @Doug1

    “I’d never marry in California without a prenup that mimics living together in the event of a divorce. Well I wouldn’t marry anywhere without that, but especially not in California.”

    Sorry. No dice. California is the one state in the US where alimony CANNOT
    be part of a prenup. (You can write it in, but the courts are duty bound
    to ignore it.) Thus, prenups are somewhat rare in California, since the most
    important item is off limits.

    One of the few uses of a prenup is if one of the
    parties owns a business. While the law is androgynous, let’s stick with the typical
    case, the man owns a business.

    They marry. The business is personal property since he already owned it
    when he got married. Ten years later, though hard work, he as increased the
    size of the business substantially. Upon divorce, he says: “The business
    is my personal property, I brought it in to the marriage.”

    She says: “You brought in a rinky-dink $100K a year business, and now it is billing
    $1M. Half of the added value of the business is marital property!”

    The usual winners are the lawyers.

    THIS ONE CASE can be dealt with in a prenup, and note that it is only meaningful
    if at least one of the spouses-wanna-be is a business owner.

    But, no, you cannot stipulate alimony or the lack thereof in a prenup in California.

    Thor

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  84. @Whack job
    “But a woman’s definition of existence is one of eternal dissatisfaction, you cannot ever make her 100% happy. Heck, even 50% would be a crap shoot.”

    One of the more bizarre manifestation, apparently common, but by no means
    universal in women is a fuzzy concept of “my life’ (i.e. her life).

    Work – Interferes with “my life”
    Husband – interferes with “her life” except as a provjider
    Kids – tolerated up to a limit (if hers) but are discouraged from interfering with “her life”

    So, one then wonders, what IS “her life”. What are the things she really WANTS to do
    (preferably on an unrestrained budget of time and money).

    This is largely a mystery, and might vary with the woman, but a strong
    contender is lunching/kaffeklatching with her (female) friends. Where they
    can swap stories about all sorts of things, but kvetching about their husbands’
    shortcomings is high on the list.

    (Or ‘”my life” can be busily cheating – hard to get statistics on that, or even
    good anecdotal evidence.)

    Thor

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    • >> Thor: “So, one then wonders, what IS “her life”.
      >> What are the things she really WANTS to do”

      Actually, nothing. A woman’s mind has no purpose. There’s a void in there. She really wouldn’t know what to do when she has all possible time, resources and opportunity. That is why she’s always hungry to be led, by a man. Of course, she reserves the right to bitch about it, but make no mistake, more bitching means that all her switches are being pressed sub-consciously.

      You see – a woman only reacts. She reacts to everything that “happens” around her. She cannot be exected to be a master of her own life. All she knows to do is to react. She cannot act on her own at all. All their talk otherwise is pure bull shit, and let not one of them fool you. There are a handful of them who do continue to use the rational part of their brains, but that is mostly confined to office hours and half of those wouldnt bat an eyelid before dragging an office down to their level of drama and feelings and emotional storms.

      Most women who are 8 and above in looks are the ones who are rottenly spoilt and complaining about having no time for their real life, most of them are damned lazy as well – I do not count sitting in air-conditioned cubicles doing email forwarding as any meaningful “work” and hence you will always find them whining about how real life is keeping them away from their idealized princess existence. Most smart ones of these 8+ find a good beta provider who will ease her life so much that even going to Starbucks to bitch with her fellow gold digger friends seems like a mammoth task to her.

      In the end, all they are is a varying combination of narcissism, vanity, gigantic egos built upon nothingness, gold digging greediness, an absolute lack of ethics and morals and many parts evil.

      Why else do you think religion was invented by men ? Like someone mentioned, only when the devil has nothing to do with a woman, only then she stops cohabiting with him and “finds” God. Mostly in her fifties.

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  85. Posted before, but… let’s be honest.

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  86. My ex-wife was a few years older than me. We split up when I was 35 and she was pushing 40.

    Immediately after we separated and she moved out, she dumped all her crap frumpy clothes, started wearing cool, sexy dresses, heels, she got her hair fixed, and was much more sociable. By law we needed to be separated a year before filing for divorce. the Divorce takes 3 months, ours took longer because the paperwork somehow got lost then found in the court system.

    Hmmmmm.

    Exactly 6 months after our divorce was finalized….she got remarried. Her wedding would have actually been 3 months later apparently but there was a health scare here that caused public panic putting the breaks on a lot of activities.

    The guy she married was in his 60’s, had 2 grown up kids who were immediately suspicious of her motives. He was extremely wealthy, had been the head of a major bank etc etc…

    So never under-estimate what a woman can or will do to put herself on the sexual market when she needs to.

    If there’s no sense of dread or she’s resigned to either losing you or wants out…. if she’s past 35 she can easily find someone else is she makes the effort you had wanted her to make for you….

    [Editor: Because of your ex’s age (40), she had to sacrifice shooting for a man close to her age to remarry. He’s 20 years older than her. SMV theory validated.]

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  87. on June 18, 2011 at 9:38 am Anonymous coward

    Expanding a little bit on my earlier comment,one of the reasons that I despise feminism is because the feminists did a great job at belittling what really is a job,and a fairly skilled job,at that.

    That job is the job of homemaking,or housewife,and it isn’t-as the feminists would have us believe-an unimportant job. Organizing and operating a household,and doing it on a set budget while maintaining at least a little variety regarding meals,entertainment,and the like takes work. In this day and age,when machines do most of the scrubbing,clothes drying,food chopping,dough kneading,and other stuff that used to burn calories,that work is a lot easier than it used to be,but it hasn’t gone away.

    A skilled homemaker is an integral part of a family. If one partner is out earning an income to support the household,the other partner needs to be doing the cooking,cleaning,kid watching,clothes washing,etc. There’s just too much work for it to be any other way,and if you don’t believe me,try taking two or three kids to any fast food place you want to mention,look at the bill,and ask yourself if you could afford to do that three meals a day,7 days a week,365 days a year. Or drop your laundry off-not the good stuff that requires dry cleaning-the day to day stuff. Look at the bill. Extend that number out for 52 weeks and see what you’d spend.

    And yeah. A great deal of it is mindless and repetitive,and will have to be done again tomorrow and every day after that. WHAT THE HELL DID THESE WOMEN THINK WE HAD TO PUT UP WITH AT OUR JOB???? Were the women that embraced feminism somehow stupid enough to think that we went off to work every day and invented incredible inventions and closed incredible business deals and never once hated our jobs,or got bored with the mindless stuff we had to do just like them? Apparently they really were that goddamn dumb,but it still boggles my mind that they fell for that line. I suspect that one reason my parents had a long and relatively successful marriage is that Mom had spent 4 or 5 years working before she met Dad,and knew that working for a living was just something you did,not some grand ambition to be fulfilled.

    OK,no long,drawn out closing summation. The coffeemaker just beeped,it’s a weekend,and I have a boat that needs to be watered.

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  88. the awesome thing about this blog is that many of the comments are almost as good as the posts

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  89. Iknow I’m late putting up a response to this article,but I was actually putting into practice real game with real women, like some of you should. Truth be told the efficiency of the sexual market in actual real-time is convoluted with, “false-feminine-empowerment crap/and the you-can -have-it- all career/love/and/or great sexual escapades, and not be seen as a harlot”, has placed many of women in psychological turmoil of not knowing how to behave in society and in modern relationships( or what if this feminazi re-engineering of male/female gender roles has broughtout in women what players, PUA’s, and true Don Juan’s have known for centuries: women are no more morally virtuous, and angelic like, than your average drunken horny sailor, who only stops guzzling copious amounts of alcohol when he has passed out from a drinking beinge). No, the sexual market can only indicate to women which men would give the ma royal pounding of raw meat, but as mentionedd in the article, it does not give women an accurate indication of their LTR, which is the ONLY value of a woman. But as long as we have main stream medial proselytzing with their beta/ male-hags women will adhere to any social doctrine, except common fuckin’ sense.

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  90. […] Heartiste – “This is What a Feminist Looks Like“, “Why Don’t Women Politicians Get Caught in Sex Scandals?“, “Why Are Later Marriages Less Likely to End in Divorce?“, “Is the Sexual Market Efficient?” […]

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  91. Game doesn’t end for us, if and when we say “I do,” because game isn’t so much about seduction as it is about being a man.
    And women want men.

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  92. Reality soon disabuses them of that notion, and the aging divorcée either settles with a man of lower value than her husband was when she met him, or she persists in her delusion aided by the hallucinatory effects of mimosas, cockhopping and cheerleading spinsters like herself.
    >>>

    This is incorrect. Women will rarely divorce and then settle for lower value, because to do so would be to admit a horrific mistake. Ergo, their best option is to retreat to their husband. Hence, the ubiquitous phenomenon of the “psycho ex wife” who can’t reconcile two utterly devastating choices.

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