The Rise Of The Renegade Alpha

We may be entering an era when the romantic fortunes of the Renegade Alpha reach a zenith. A culmination of culture shocks will magnify the appeal of the nonconformist cad, energizing a state of illicit affairs which could last for twenty years before the pendulum swings back into the camp of traditional alpha males.

Who is the Renegade Alpha? It helps to know the context within which he lives. An elegant description of the male socio-sexual hierarchy exists deep in the CH archives.

Make no mistake, at the most fundamental level the CRUX of a man’s worth is measured by his desirability to women, whether he chooses to play the game or not. Pussy is the holy grail. That is why the obese, socially maladroit nerdboy who manages to unlock the gate to the secret garden and bang a 10 regularly is an alpha male. And that is also why the rich, charming entrepreneur who, because of an emotional deficiency or mental sickness lives mired in parched celibacy, is not an alpha male.

Due to this enduring confusion about what makes an alpha, I submit the following system, in the form of a handy chart, to help clear the air. It hits on the three major factors influencing male rank — how hot are the women he can attract, how strong is that attraction for him, and how many of those women find him attractive.

Some readers unhappy with this reductive (and thus clear-eyed) partition of male sexual worth balked at this definition, claiming it was circular. But great truths often distill as tautologies, which is why the CH definition of the alpha male is so sweeping in its scope and yet unassailable in its detail.

The blogger Vox, an esteemed member of the realtalker shock troops, has his own delineation of male status based off of the original CH socio-sexual classifications, which he has said is a refinement of the original, but which CH guardians of the Good Word of Game say amounts to an aesthetic rewording of the primeval texts. Vox’s male ranks could easily superimpose onto CH’s ranking system, because the CH hierarchy is not, as is commonly assumed by readers who have barely skimmed the ancient writings, a stark dichotomy separating alphas from betas, but rather is a continuous SPECTRUM running the gamut from the lowly omega dregs to the zero-point-one percenter super alphas. Within that spectrum there is room for every male socio-sexual rank, including the mysterious Renegade Alpha, which Vox names the Sigma Male.

Sigma: The outsider who doesn’t play the social game and manage to win at it anyhow. The sigma is hated by alphas because sigmas are the only men who don’t accept or at least acknowledge, however grudgingly, their social dominance. (NB: Alphas absolutely hate to be laughed at and a sigma can often enrage an alpha by doing nothing more than smiling at him.) Everyone else is vaguely confused by them. In a social situation, the sigma is the man who stops in briefly to say hello to a few friends accompanied by a Tier 1 girl that no one has ever seen before. Sigmas like women, but tend to be contemptuous of them. They are usually considered to be strange. Gammas often like to think they are sigmas, failing to understand that sigmas are not social rejects, they are at the top of the social hierarchy despite their refusal to play by its rules.

Lifetime sexual partners = 4x average+.

In equivalent CH terms, then, the Sigma Male would fall somewhere between a Greater Beta and a Lesser Alpha. An ample supply of cute girls are attracted to him, and some of those girls want to be with him exclusively. He oozes badboy allure, and he’s been known to make a girl or two cry in despair, and perhaps to have had his heart broken in return. So he is, by most men’s paltry standards, a successful predator of poon. (A noodle-armed emo crooner fronting an indie band is a well-known Renegade Alpha archetype.) But he doesn’t have the broad social leverage that a traditional “leader of men” alpha male has at his disposal, and this somewhat limits the Sigma Male/Renegade Alpha from monopolizing the attentions of a large pool of 9s and 10s, or of enjoying the distaff fruits of a wide and deep social circle of admiring friends and accomplished business partners eager to play matchmaker.

However, that same outsider status and rule-breaking dereliction of the Renegade Alpha also frees him from having to live up to the expectations of an insular social group. This freedom is especially nourishing if that group is a cult of winners with an unforgiving, judgmental distaste for deviance from the norm. Oftentimes, the libidinous and romantic urges of a traditional alpha male are straitjacketed by the conventional demands of his peers, and he looks with envy upon the Renegade Alpha reclining with some starry-eyed scenester who didn’t go to Harvard but who loves to take loads to her pink hair-framed face.

Very loosely, the Renegade Alpha is a seducer of women first, and a leader of men second, if at all. Though in fact the two conditions are not mutually exclusive. A cad bounder who defies the rules can also lead a small contingent of men, although the sweep of his influence may be constrained by his chosen hedonistic lifestyle.

So what does the present American sexual market tell us about the fortunes of the Renegade Alpha? For one, this is his moment. He thrives in formerly stable cultures that are experiencing paradigm shifts which shake up the old rules and create disincentives to social cooperation. Confusion, ennui, distrust, discord, fear and uncertainty — these are the conditions that craft his playground of poon. Where there is emerging chaos, you will find the reign of the Renegade Alpha.

Probably the best historical example of this reality is Casanova, one of European history’s greatest womanizers who pursued his passions during the Age of Enlightenment, a time in the West of tumult and change, leading eventually to the French and American Revolutions.

Will something similar happen in our lifetimes? America today is also experiencing tumult, and a new dark enlightenment is set to crash the scene like an unwelcome guest, upending tribal affiliations and cherished beliefs alike. Something strange and frightening is a-blowin’ in the wind, and the Renegade Alpha is there to take your hand, comfort you in your time of need, lead you to a better place, arouse you with intimations of transcendental escape, seduce you, and evade rebuke under cover of urban anonymity and social atomization.

It’s no coincidence that the Pickup Artist movement, spearheaded in the 1990s by intellectual revolutionaries (yes, really), came to prominence when it did. The eroding culture was primed for it. Frayed social cohesion and rapid advancement in communications have allowed the PUA and his message to flourish. The PUA, a creature of his environment, is a specialized Renegade Alpha.

So the Renegade Alpha, or Sigma Male in Vox’s terminology, excels at exploiting cratering cultures and the tender, psychologically scarred minds that inhabit them. Societal collapse is his serendipity. The cri de coeur of broken souls his symphony.

When the actual collapse comes, delivering real pain to the old order and its pathetic servants, the Renegade Alpha will retreat from the scene, his services no longer needed by sufficient numbers to warrant his active, daily participation in the hunt. Post-collapse, the weepy, suddenly straight-thinking women will crave the firm footing of authorial alpha males and predictable beta males. The female desire for romantic excitement will be quenched by the real excitement of destitution, decay and doom.

Oh, he’ll always have a place at the pussy table. When the Leader of Men alpha males rule, the Renegade Alpha finds niches within which he can profitably work his magic, posing as the “outsider” who provides subversive entertainment in times of mundane prosperity and social comity. But under those conditions his numbers are necessarily inhibited by the checks and balances that are naturally emergent in a strong, high trust culture that believes in itself.

In weak, low trust cultures that have lost the faith… he dines tonight.





Comments


  1. on October 18, 2013 at 12:12 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    People use the term alpha to describe someone 1. who can get women into bed (if he wants); and 2. who can get men to follow him. Both are perfectly legitimate uses of the term. Discussions of which is the “real” alpha are stupid.

    Of course, 1 and 2 are related. Being a leader of men helps you get chicks, and being able to get chicks makes men want to follow you.

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    • on October 18, 2013 at 12:32 pm The Man Who Was . . .

      Should be: “People use the term alpha to describe someone 1. who can get women into bed (if he wants); and/or 2. who can get men to follow him.”

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      • Heartiste: “how hot are the women he can attract, how strong is that attraction for him, and how many of those women find him attractive”

        The Man Who Was: “1. who can get women into bed (if he wants); and/or 2. who can get men to follow him.”

        You guys are leaving out the crucial last piece of the puzzle:

        “AND THEN HAVE LIVE BIRTHS BY THOSE WOMEN NINE MONTHS LATER!!!”

        Without the live births, all this fornication with HB8s/HB9s/HB10s is just a pointless exercise in utterly purposeless nihilism.

        And you don’t have to be a bible-thumping jeebus-worshipping old-school trad-con to understand this fundamental principle – even an honest* Darwinian Nihilist is forced to admit the underlying truth of it:

        NO PROGENY == EXTINCTION.

        *Where I’m pretending that there could ever be any actual honesty to Darwinism Nihilism in the first place – if they were honest with themselves, then they wouldn’t be nihilists.

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      • I’m very surprised by your comment and concern, ZS. Totally out of character.

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      • Dude, think about something that Heartiste just wrote in his essay:

        “A culmination of culture shocks will magnify the appeal of the nonconformist cad, energizing a state of illicit affairs which could last for twenty years before the pendulum swings back into the camp of traditional alpha males.”

        You’re looking at an unprecedented opportunity here to spread your seed far and wide in the coming [no pun intended] years and thereby make an indelible imprint upon The Tree of Life.

        In a few years, there could be budding young YOKC’s all across the fruited [again, no pun intended] plain.

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      • Haha. I’m with you, bro!

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      • “Without the live births, all this fornication with HB8s/HB9s/HB10s is just a pointless exercise in utterly purposeless nihilism.”

        This point demonstrates the failing of the ‘sphere in regards to envisioning an end game, which the Churchian segment attempts to rectify in a muddled way.

        CH, biomechanicz me a solution to this quandary.

        [CH: stop using rubbers.]

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      • Making more babies/consumers/cannon fodder doesn’t make you a patriarch but a sucker for the family courts. No thanks. Let it all burn. There is nothing left worth conserving.

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      • Then don’t make cannon fodder.

        Make budding young ALPHA MALES who will grow up to carry on your tradition of excellence.

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      • I think the lack of kids is sad, but when you have a kid you are turning complete control of your life to the family courts in USA. I think 30% if white chicks have been rat-raced into extinction at this point.

        It’s a very nicely written essay which avoid the usual nasty blaming, but if you think things are disorganized and chaotic, try avoiding the child support system if you’ve got a job that’s reporting your income to IRS.

        Also, the essay reveals an author who has never lived outside of the first world for any length of time.

        The reason why the stock market hit a new nominal high today and America is far more wealthy than most countries is that cooperation and trust here is very high compared to, say, Afghanistan.

        Chaos is relative, and if you think the USA is chaotic, you are one shelterered white boy.

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      • “cooperation and trust here is very high”
        ——————————————————–

        Isn’t that the fuel of any sucessful conspiracy?

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      • Unless you are already part of the top 5%.

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      • “Without the live births,”

        Nope. Since the human population of the planet has doubled in the last thirty years or so, by that token, every guy in on the planet is an alpha.

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      • on October 19, 2013 at 5:59 am Eliezer Ben-Yehuda

        Zomboid: true or false…. you only want the live births to happen if the result is a non-YKW caucasoid?

        I have ==no== problem with WN racial-doctrinal archetypes. You can turn your countries into uber-centrifuged-Icelanders if you so desire. Hebrews really don’t need anything of you or from you. Just stop arming the Muslims, we will then be MORE than happy to stop receiving military assist. We were who we are about 3000 years before whites learned how to bathe their bodies. I’m not so sure that the French have ever really learned that.

        What I contest is your confounding SMV thinking with racial thinking.

        These are two different ball games.

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      • Since when do parasites NOT need a host?

        For “not needing anything from (YT)”, your ilk sure does take great pains to insinuate yourselves back into our bodies politic… no matter how many times rejected.

        Granted, a few of you turn out to be beneficial… but a couple of vaccines and some neat stage musicals don’t really make up for the general havoc and Satanic decay.

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      • Eliezer Ben-Yehuda

        What I contest is your confounding SMV thinking with racial thinking.

        These are two different ball games.
        —————————————————————————————————–

        If you say so; but they share the same mechanics and dynamics.

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      • Well, amongst YKWs, the following have permission to procreate:

        Mickey Kaus
        Michael “Savage” Wiener
        Mark Levin [MAYBE!!! But I don’t trust that bastard.]

        And amongst Kneegrows, the following can have as many babies as is humanly possible:

        Thomas Sowell
        Clarence Thomas
        Walter Williams
        Ben Carson

        And then as far as I’m concerned, all the rest of the YKWs and the Kneegrows can go jump off the nearest cliff.

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      • Thomas Sowell
        Clarence Thomas
        Walter Williams
        Ben Carson

        what about me?

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      • Thwack: ok, you too. As long as you don’t go round behaving like Naftalie.

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      • Thwack, why are you asking WN for permission? They need dynamite up their ass, not power to tell you what to do.

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      • Lily

        Thwack, why are you asking WN for permission
        ———————————————————————————————–

        I wasn’t asking for permission. The black ‘community’ is being over run by the bastard children of single moms. Be happy ZS gives enough of a damn to take a position because if the bullshit don’t stop Im gonna raise a fuhrer!

        and we all know how you would feel about that.

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      • BTW, speaking of YKWs, this is what they really think of you:

        http://nypost.com/2013/10/18/dont-hate-me-because-im-rich/

        Never forget that face.

        Each and every YKW lives to see the Shkotzim wiped right out of the history books.

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      • Heh, heh… well what do you know! It’s our Lily!

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      • Jealous of my supposed “Jew money”, eh gregi?
        I did point out you WN are jealous of the Jews, right?

        Hell, paranoid Zombie displays his jealousy in every post. LOL. You always unintentionally end up confirming everything I say about you, antisemites. How more pathetic can you be?

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      • Yeah, as usual you nailed it with the “just jealous” Cathedral litany…

        Much like Jesus was just jealous of the money changers, Sanhedrin, scribes and Pharisees.

        I’m still looking for the scripture were He tells His followers that, if they get ensnared by Satan and his minions, or have not garnered the favor and wealth of this world, that it’s really their own fault for being such losers.

        llzoozllzozozlzlzozozlzlzozozlzlzlzozolzlzl

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      • You are a loser, and you’re losing. That’s why you are rattling like a snake quoting meaningless verse. lol I always know where to find your carcass. You swim in zombie’s septic tank. It seems you like those areas of each thread. Ugh!

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      • I always know where to find your carcass. You swim in zombie’s septic tank. It seems you like those areas of each thread.

        Time again, folks to play…

        CAN… YOU… SPOT… THE… IRONY!!!

        (raucous applause)

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      • You don’t know the meaning of irony, swamp diver. You’re the dictionary definition.

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      • What are you accomplishing by spreading your seed? Explain what the human race accomplishes that is so grand or your comment is just an ego-based run at nihilism similar to the one you’re speaking out against.

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      • > “an ego-based run at nihilism”

        Dude, I’m just trying to get all of these Peter-Pan-Syndrome 35-year-old glorified teenagers to settle the hell down and HAVE CHILDREN.

        NO CHILDREN == EXTINCTION

        There comes a day when chasing one more skirt [even if it’s an HB10] just isn’t as important as ensuring that your parents finally get some grandchildren out of your sorry ass.

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      • But what is accomplished by having children? It’s just an ego gratification. And, as you noted, that’s all pick-up is as well. There isn’t some “higher level” of living that having children encompasses. It’s all ego-based

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      • Thomas Jefferson was a Sigma, George Washington was an Alpha.

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      • on October 19, 2013 at 7:26 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lzozooozz

        zozozozozz OMG HE WRIOTES WROTE MY DA GBFM SIGMA BIOGRAPHY!!!

        Sigma (GBFM): The outsider who doesn’t play the social game and manage to win at it anyhow. Da GBFM is hated by alphas because GBFMs are the only men who don’t accept or at least acknowledge, however grudgingly, their social dominance. (NB: Alphas absolutely hate to be laughed at and a GBFM can often enrage an alpha by doing nothing more than lzozozlzlzoing at him and his tiny cocka lzozozzzillzozzl.) Everyone else is vaguely confused by da GBFM. In a social situation, da GBFM is the man who stops in briefly to say hello to a few friends accompanied by a Tier 1 girl that no one has ever seen before and he cums on said Tier 1 girl’s face before the conversation is over. GBFMs like women, but tend to be contemptuous of them. GBFMs are usually considered to be strange. Gammas (King A) often like to think they are GBFMs, failing to understand that GBFMs are not social rejects, they are at the top of the social hierarchy despite their refusal to play by its rules.

        Lifetime sexual partners = 40x average+. (thought not in a buttehxtaul way like da neoethnsct tucker maxz rhymes iwth godlman sax likesz it bests zlolzozoz)

        zlzlzozo

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    • Please. Stay away from the “sigma” nerdery. You are already skimming the surface of D&Dism with your Big Bang Theory of “science” applied to love. Never go full Voxtard.

      [G]reat truths often distill as tautologies….

      Risible bullshit.

      The “I Contain Multitudes” con works on stupid/young chicks. Give us some credit here. Eliding past contradictions like a DC Democrat is destroying your philosophy: just 48 hours after posting an excellent NatGeo video, you are already defeating it by dipping “deep” into your nostalgia “archive.”

      Put away the endless “Song of Myself,” and pick up “When I heard the learn’d astronomer.” Observe and make poetry with the truth you see and intuit but cannot quantify. That’s your strength.

      Matt

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    • Back in my day, we called someone who could pull with ease a player.

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    • on October 19, 2013 at 12:15 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      HEY HEATEETISTEZ EA?RSTEIZZES lzozozzlzo

      DA GBFM GOT DA CALL FROM ABC 20/20 ABOUT DOING AN INTERVIEW FOR DA MANOPSHERZ!!

      I TOLD DEM “LETS MAKE A DEALZ!”

      LET ME DO MEGGANZ KELLY AND I WILL DO YOUR INTERVIEWZ.

      THEY TOLD ME DAT MEGAN KELLY WORKZ FOR FOX NOT ABCZ.

      SO DA GBFM SAIDZ:

      “SUX 2 BU! LZOZOZOZLOZOZOZOZOZOZOZ”

      DEN I RELIZEDZ I WA SBEING RUDEZ.

      SO I PENEND PENNED AN APOLOGYZ AND WORTE AN EMAIL:

      “OK INSETAD OF ABC 20/20 LET’S CALL IT ABC 69/69 AND LET ME DIRECT AN DCHOOSE CHOOSE DA REPORTEDRRZZ AND R EDIT DA INETRVIEWZ ZLZOLZOOZOZOZOZO”

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      • Every fucking comments page on this site has your LZOZOZLZLZOLZ shit all over it. Are you mildly retarded?

        Completely ruins the comprehensibility of the thread and distracts from the other legible replies.

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      • on October 20, 2013 at 9:59 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        wat r u a virginz? lzozlzlzllzoz

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      • when I see that jibberish I scroll right on through it.

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      • Same here, it’s very annoying though.

        Virgin? No mate. Spend less time posting garbage on internet comment pages and you might get laid one day too, although I have my doubts.

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    • on October 19, 2013 at 7:25 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      lzozozozozz OMG HE WRIOTES WROTE MY DA GBFM SIGMA BIOGRAPHY!!!

      Sigma (GBFM): The outsider who doesn’t play the social game and manage to win at it anyhow. Da GBFM is hated by alphas because GBFMs are the only men who don’t accept or at least acknowledge, however grudgingly, their social dominance. (NB: Alphas absolutely hate to be laughed at and a GBFM can often enrage an alpha by doing nothing more than lzozozlzlzoing at him and his tiny cocka lzozozzzillzozzl.) Everyone else is vaguely confused by da GBFM. In a social situation, da GBFM is the man who stops in briefly to say hello to a few friends accompanied by a Tier 1 girl that no one has ever seen before and he cums on said Tier 1 girl’s face before the conversation is over. GBFMs like women, but tend to be contemptuous of them. GBFMs are usually considered to be strange. Gammas (King A) often like to think they are GBFMs, failing to understand that GBFMs are not social rejects, they are at the top of the social hierarchy despite their refusal to play by its rules.

      Lifetime sexual partners = 40x average+. (thought not in a buttehxtaul way like da neoethnsct tucker maxz rhymes iwth godlman sax likesz it bests zlolzozoz)

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  2. on October 18, 2013 at 12:18 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    Need I repeat that Vox Day’s elaborate classification system is stupid. You only need two scales 1. how attractive you are to women; and 2. how many men you can get to follow you.

    The two are related, of course, but you can be high on one without being high on the other.

    But on the main point, our host is correct: there are guys who are good with women, but who are not high status with regard to other men, or society in general.

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    • i think that’s just about right, i think the letter classification systems try to encapsulate the ‘how’ portion and i think that’s pretty tough and end up with a lot of bad comparisons

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      • This is how I see it:

        Vox’s “alpha” = super alpha
        “beta” = more socially-inclined lesser alpha
        “sigma” = less socially-inclined lesser alpha
        “delta” = beta
        “gamma” = lesser beta/greater omega
        “omega” = omega

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      • And the point of this hairsplitting is …? They all fail to say.

        Vivisecting anal-ysts. They murder vitality by cataloging everything to death.

        [CH: dude. it’s not like i’m going around revealing the blueprint of seduction to girls in real life. vitality status: secure.]

        This is white man’s great scientific strength, and also his debilitating autistic weakness.

        [those religious philosophers sure knew how to fill up a tome.]

        The solution is to end the experiment before you kill the patient. But nerds focus like lasers on their “precious.”

        [precision engineering. it’s not just for germans.]

        Matt

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      • the fact that you don’t even understand proves the rule. can’t even map the reason why you hate maps because it hurts your potato.

        fyi i like your meaner and more viscerally animated stuff. you sound like your T levels are really dropping due to age or season and all you have left is righteous indignation.

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      • It hurts my potato! It hurts my potato!!

        It’s the Frankfurters! The Frankfurters!!!

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      • “And the point of this hairsplitting is …? They all fail to say.

        Vivisecting anal-ysts. They murder vitality by cataloging everything to death.”

        This reaction is a gift you have that makes game easy for you in a way it can’t be easy for other men.

        To me, this post is the dullest post I have ever read on CH, and in fact I only read half of this post. But I’m not complaining. As of 11:30pm, there are no female commenters on this thread. It’s the only thread I’ve seen to achieve this distinction (which I am making a bid to ruin).

        CH is ordinarily a male oriented blog, but this post of defining the specifics of a male to male hierarchy reaches a level of male mind orientation that even the feministx and Ras Ds of the world must find foreign. This might as well be stats on NFL draft picks.

        It is a dry arcane matter I cannot relate to. Apparently, it strikes you in the same way. Whatever other uses or benchmarks it could provide does not outweigh that impression to you.

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      • on October 19, 2013 at 1:50 am Cad and Bounder

        I’m not surprised that the women don’t like the post, because the sigma male is the purest exponent of what women fear (and deep down understand) about their nature.

        I’m also not surprised that many men on here are antagonistic to the concept of sigma.

        What the two groups have in common is an understanding that the concept of alpha relies on the validation of other beta males. It requires social proof and validation. Without the beta, there is no alpha. What you can’t handle is that the sigma male doesn’t give a damn about social proof or validation.

        Alternatively (and read carefully) he knows that when he plays that game he will lose. So he is just doing what’s optimal for him. You beta in alpha clothing will hurl forth an existentialist scream and complain and cry that he isn’t playing your game, or he is a loser for not ‘knuckling down and acquiring alpha’, or that he shouldn’t have the temerity to get laid just because it doesn’t fit your pre-conceived notion of game via social proof.

        Before you criticise the sigma remember that there is a bell curve of good fortune in life just as much as there is innate ability.

        The ultimate sigma male is someone like Paul Janka.

        For you women…

        You aren’t getting dinner.
        You aren’t researching him on Facebook.
        You aren’t going to pre-research how much money he has.
        You aren’t going to social proof him by meeting his friends, work colleagues etc.
        You aren’t going to see him in a bar in a big group with a lot of beta slapping his back and buying him drinks.

        He’s just going to strip everything down into isolation, getting your hamster going, having sex with you, and then seeing if HE wants an LTR with you.

        The sigma is actually more masculine than the alpha because he isn’t playing by women’s rules so much.

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      • on October 19, 2013 at 7:31 am Lucky White Male

        Cad and bounder very good comm

        The Sigma clearly exists distinct from Alpha. And is certainly threatening to other men

        The Alpha relies a lot on the “distaff fruits” of his social context. The way he dominates a social context is responsible for a lot of his pussy pull.

        The Sigma meanwhile is transient and self-absorbed. The Introvert alternative on the same spectrum – coming and going as he pleases. He pulls based on Intrigue, not the In Your Face persuasion of the Alpha

        The Alpha pursues a woman until she succumbs – all Foreground, in your face

        The Sigma is all Background, Intrigue: draws her in, before executes the fatal surgical strike

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      • “What you can’t handle is that the sigma male doesn’t give a damn about social proof or validation.”

        Cad, for one reason or the other, women like sigmas. So, it’s not that we have something that strong against a man with lack of social proof.

        What I mean is that when I meet a dude, I just like what I see or I don’t. Don’t give much thought to whether he’s alpha or sigma or beta or whatever. Somewhere subconsciously I will process the alpha/beta/omega signals and it was determine my attraction. But a sigma and an alpha to a woman are two dudes who are attractive. There is a certain sentiment produced in a woman when alpha pulls the heart strings. I am not aware of a difference in yearning for alpha vs sigma. I think they both feel the same. Hence, I am not interested in the difference between them.

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      • on October 20, 2013 at 3:09 am Balkan Man (now Sigma labeled)

        I do agree here with @Cad and Bounder, but I dont like so obvious CH label (one more in the row..) as ‘SIGMA”. Or whatever ..
        The whole point of such kind of ‘SELF CONSCIOUS’ MEN is just:
        – I will not play the rules except they are made by me.
        Is it about other man (‘a leader of men’), the society, his parents, women, his work/job .. I’ll do my thing how I want.
        ” Dont care, dont care .. dont care .. gone fishing”

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      • Gotta say I am with you on this one Matthew; this all smacks of a an autistic kid whose comic books got out of order. Sometimes the focus on branding is at the expense of the product.

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      • twitter is ebonics for white people.

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      • [those religious philosophers sure knew how to fill up a tome.]

        All righty then, Aquinas! If you want to compose a Summa Pussologica or a Principia Mathmaticunt, rather than pamphlets for the relief of frustrated boners, you will need an entirely new, systematic approach, some serious scholarly dedication, remedial philologist training, and two or three decades of grinding tedious work (which itself can only be inspired through a kind of lifelong grace).

        But like I said, it’s not your forte. And all of your guesswork in lieu of the grind is corroding the foundation of your operating philosophy. Best to stick with what you see in front of you — be a true Aristotelian scientist — rather than conjuring nerdly grand theories.

        You have an excellent frame of mind to resist the fabricated dictates of dorks in labcoats — to reject them with a sweep of your hand in the name of experience — but envy keeps you seeking after their approval for some unknown reason.

        Produce poetry, not science. Life is too short. It’s like Caravaggio envying the sickly virgin Newton, scribbling nonsense theory about physics rather than painting the way few others can.

        Matt

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      • resist the fabricated dictates of dorks in labcoat..
        Produce poetry, not science.

        da fuq did i just read?
        do you like living in a domicile with electricity and heating, driving a vehicle or even riding a bike?
        what do you think about penicillin?
        how is the computer you’re ‘sperging out on treating you?

        this shit is gold and is validated by truisms that extend beyond your worldview of endless pontification and buthextxt. step aside and let the men get to work here.

        but envy keeps you seeking after their approval for some unknown reason.

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      • The sigma is the coyote is the trickster is the comedian.

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      • on October 18, 2013 at 4:39 pm The Man Who Was . . .

        You’re right, Burke. There are many ways to get girls (and many ways to become a leader of men). Throwing all that into the mix just is more confusing than enlightening.

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    • The difference between Vox’s sigma and alpha is the difference between Clint Eastwood’s western heroes and John Wayne’s western heroes.

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      • Pretty good analogy right there.

        And those fellows came together to book-end the two greatest American movies of all time – both the greatest American movie with the greatest American hero of the classical [or Golden] era, and then, a mere 14 years later, after The Frankfurt School had re-emerged from its HUAC-induced banishment and flexed Its muscles with Nietzschean abandon, so as to completely rewrite the rules of what would and would not be allowed to play in American theaters, the greatest American movie with the greatest American hero of the modern [or post-modern] era:

        1) John Wayne, as Tom Doniphon, in 1962’s The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance

        http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056217/

        2) And Clint Eastwood, as the title character, in 1976’s The Outlaw Josey Wales.

        http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075029/

        The really big problem here is how to go about classifying Jimmy Stewart’s character, the big-city lawyer who came to the wilderness, Ransom Stoddard, in Liberty Valance.

        Does Ransom Stoddard represent the rise of the Greater Beta within Western Civilization, who moves in to replace the Natural Alpha troglodyte, Tom Doniphon?

        By the time of Josey Wales, 14 years later, it’s clear that John Vernon’s Fletcher is the Natural Alpha, and Eastwood’s Josey Wales is the Natural Sigma.

        But depending upon how you classify Stewart’s Ransom Stoddard, Liberty Valance is either firmly rooted in the classical sphere [Stoddard as a Natural Alpha], or Liberty Valance is a transitional movie to the modern era [Stoddard as no more than a Greater Beta].

        Either way, Liberty Valance signals unmistakably that the classical era is coming to an end [if not ended already] and that the transition to nihilistic modernity is about to begin [or is underway already].

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      • By the way, when you think about the problems which we’re dealing with nowadays, the portentousness of those two movies is absolutely stunning: Stoddard and Fletcher both living and surviving and thriving, opposite Doniphon and Wales, who are asked to sacrifice everything [and who then actually step up to the plate and make the actual sacrifice of every last actual thing which can actually be sacrificed].

        It’s entirely analogous to the Tea Party sacrificing everything to try to stop the abomination which is Obamacare, only to be cut off at the knees and betrayed and abandoned on the battlefield by the likes of Tanning Booth Boehner and Bitch McConnell.

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      • Check out Nick Nolte in Who’ll Stop The Rain and/or James Caan in Thief.

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      • Huh – I’ve never heard of either of those.

        I’ll have to look for them.

        Thanks.

        BTW, have you ever seen Caan in the original Rollerball?

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      • Where do Wyatt Earp, and Doc Holiday fit?

        Holiday was a dentist, how beta is that?

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    • your lack of capacity to understand philosophical thought make you a threat….to no one. no one that matters, anyway.

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    • on October 19, 2013 at 5:21 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      Well den JEsus CHRIST was the greatest ALPHA OF ALL TIMEZ.

      MORE MENZ FOLLOWED JESUS JESUS THAN MYSTERY AND the short bald dude who wrote THE GAME EVEN!! lzozzo

      zlzlozooizlzoz

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      • on October 19, 2013 at 6:27 pm The Man Who Was . . .

        In a sense that’s true, GB.

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      • on October 19, 2013 at 7:21 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        In a sense it’s true?

        Dat’s like saying “in a sense your mothersz a whore.” lzlzlozozlzozolozo

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  3. It seems to be from my point of view on how alpha/beta works.

    Alpha…actions lead, emotions are either followed or ignored.
    Beta…emotions lead to what actions are taken
    Sigma…can use both to lead or follow whenever he wants

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  4. Sigma is the alpha who doesn’t want to be alpha and doesn’t give a damna about those who want him to lead. They can go fuck themselves because he isn’t interested in leading alphas want to be the center of attention and are desperate without people to follow them.

    Vox was accused of snow flaking when discussing sigma because he was clearly describing himself but as usual he can back his claims. Vox was an omega before everyone realized he was a great athlete and could score babes. But he doesn’t want to lead a bunch of sycophants so he is not an alpha. Sigmas are would be alphas without the pathetic need for unearned attention.

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    • “Vox was an omega before everyone realized he was a great athlete and could score babes.”

      I didn’t know that, could you give a link to read about his change?

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    • Good point.

      -Wise enough to understand “The Groucho Marx Effect”
      (I’d never join a club that would actually have me as a member.)

      [translation: Because I’m self-aware, know I’m not perfect, and they are just a bunch of perhaps well-meaning, but easily-impressed, toadying, fair-weather rubes.]

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    • Actually Vox himself said in a later post that he believes Sigma is an Omega male whose ego is based on reality, not a rebellious Alpha who doesn’t want to lead. I’ve seen these men in real life, they’re such fascinating creatures to watch, in a way I think they’re the happiest men alive, because they get the best of both worlds. And I disagree that PUAs are in any way Sigmas, it’s not about disregarding the known societal conventions, that’s just an alpha/beta revolutionary, it’s about not giving a crap about the underlying, subtle, sexual dynamics that makes men attractive to women, and yet still be attractive to women.

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  5. on October 18, 2013 at 12:22 pm Lucky White Male

    Ah , CH chimes in finally on the Sigma Male.

    Interesting you are saying he is at most a Lesser Alpha

    Krauser has the Sigma/Alpha as simply the introversion/extroversion on the same spectrum. Sigmas are usually introverts, Alphas the extrovert version. The Dominance the Alpha exerts on a group, the Sigma exerts on a girl

    To me, the Alpha reigns supreme “within the system” of existing society.

    I see the Sigma, in contrast, as “outside the law” or “above the law” As Vox says, the Sigma exists outside the social hierarchy, and does not “play the Alpha’s game”, yet “wins the game” anyway

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    • No. Sigma is trying to get there. That would be what Vox has defines as a Lambda. He confesses he doesn’t know much about the Lambda. Lambda is the man setting up staircases and rungs for Alphas and Betas to compete on.

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      • lamdba, good god how many types do we keep straight?

        i’m going with sea lion style:
        alpha– gets what he wants
        the rest– gets what is left

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      • lol lambdas are not going to be kept straight

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      • Well, if that works for you.

        I think it’s all a folly. Go out, get a happy harem to fuck and love, and go about your business. If you can, you’re whatever you want to call yourself. If you can’t, you aren’t. Simple.

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      • Yeah – not sure if I’m a sigma, lesser alpha or greater beta – but i don’t really care as long as the pussy keeps rolling in.

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      • > “If you can, you’re whatever you want to call yourself.”

        But even just that sentiment, in and of itself, is totally Alpha.

        A Beta is going to be obsessed with worrying about “What will other people think of me? Are they gossiping about me? Are they calling me names and laughing at me behind my back? How will I be able to endure the humiliation?”

        The true Alpha? He don’t give a damn.

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      • You don’t understand anything at all. the true alpha gives a damn completely. he wants to rule every situation and lead people no matter where he is.

        Socio economic hierarchy is dependent upon a million factors which vary from culture to culture and person to person. The state of mind of the person in question is just one such factor.

        Is a loser who says “i don’t give a fuck Im whatever I say I am” “Alpha” because he said something or believes something that is deemed ‘Alpha’? While bedding land whales , combing his neck beard, ignored by every girl he fantasizes about? Absolutely not. This loser would never get the girl of his dreams. She would be too busy shifting her gaze so as to never meet his before she could get to know this Apparently Alpha fellow.

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      • Nietzsche doesn’t seem to grok the concept of “necessary, but not sufficient.”

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      • on October 18, 2013 at 2:17 pm The Man Who Was . . .

        Yeah, Vox’s system is retarded.

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      • LMAO Vox’s description for the Lambda is the category for homosexuals. aka teh gays.

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      • Say what!?

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      • lambda=queer

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      • on October 18, 2013 at 4:46 pm Lucky White Male

        No, Vox says Sigma is outside the social hierarchy.

        http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2012/03/alpha-mail-sigma-spotting.html

        ” Because he operates most comfortably and happily outside the social hierarchy, the sigma is at least vaguely unsettling to everyone, from alpha to omega. And that is a form of social domination all its own, and one to which women respond very readily.”

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    • “Interesting you are saying he is at most a Lesser Alpha”

      I think that’s dead on, actually. As a higher beta or lesser alpha, or sigma, or whatever…as a single guy, I got more ass than a bus-stop-bench while never being anywhere near the levels of dominance, social or otherwise, of a greater alpha as CH describes it…and frankly, couldn’t be assed about hordes of television-watching dipshits and what they happen to think. I’m happily married in my 40s still blowing off interest from other women, and if my wife got hit by a bus I’d be neck-deep in them by the end of the week…and yet…

      as braggy and strutty as that shit sounds, I’m wildly outclassed by PLENTY of other guys, and I know it (and am completely comfortable with it, too). I score nowhere NEAR bigtime alpha on that self-assessment CH posts, my occasional threesome is with 6s and 7s rather than regularly with 9s and 10s, and the right woman with the right body will occasionally, in spite of me finding a brainless but pretty woman just boring as donkeyshit, still leave me gobsmacked.

      It’s like any sport or martial art. I’ve boxed. A lot. It’s no shame for me to say “yeah, I can beat that guy and THAT guy, but no, *this* guy, nuh-uh, I can’t beat him. I’m not afraid to go in on him, but he’s gonna get me and we both know it.” It’s your bitter omega losers who can’t deal with that. As the old saying goes, “mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself; excellence respects and admires genius.”

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      • Since we are working on definitions here, let me just say that you nailed it.

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      • Well said, and very accurate. And I think CH clearly defined why Sigma is a step lower in the -overall- picture. High achieving aggressive men tend to be that way in the boardroom and bedroom as well. So their flowing waterfall of pussy is no surprise.

        Sigma probably doesn’t have the financial and other “check box” accolades society uses as their metric but he may or may not care at all. Hence, he is just outside of it all so when viewed against the oft-quoted feminist backdrop of “having it all” the Sigma appears to not, but he gives a fuck too. So the scales balance internally for him.

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      • on October 18, 2013 at 4:48 pm Lucky White Male

        If Sigma is banging just as many women as Alpha – unclear you can call Sigma a Lesser Alpha

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      • Now, I got enough beta that I’m happily married and wouldn’t swap my wife on a bet – we’re one of those perfect matches Chris Rock used to talk about hating at dinner parties. But even then, there’s a BIG difference between “just as many” 7s as “just as many” 10s.

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      • For a man who can land desirable women, a 7/10 is a shit test for the 9s.

        Dead serious.

        Yeah a 7 is still a woman most betas masturbate furiously over, but if you are actually a desirable prospect for this 9…

        …realize that women, especially hot ones, hate men who “sell themselves short” so to speak…

        after some point in notches you start feeling the need to hunt for bigger game.

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      • Yeah, if I were still single? Totally.

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      • let me explain in a boxing analogy.

        the alpha walks into the ring and beats the fuck out of the beta dude (you), simply because you have lost the fight in your mind before you walked in.

        the sigma burns down the house of the alpha’s mother with her in it a month earlier, and then when they are standing there ready to throw punches says “sorry to hear about your mom, bro” while making sure he stinks like a campfire.

        its the added capacity to engage in psychological and emotional violence as well as the physical that ensures the win. plus we like to fuck with and experiment with people.

        get it now?

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      • on October 18, 2013 at 4:47 pm Lucky White Male

        So you’re the one getting the fuck beat out of him

        Who gets what?

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      • i’m sorry and I’d like to help but WordPress ate my “Sketch with Crayola” plugin

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      • on October 19, 2013 at 6:59 am Lucky White Male

        That’s my bank account – the rich are eccentric

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      • It seems to me like you “sigmas” are more figments of your own imagination than anything else. Did you dream this up fapping in your mom’s basement? How many houses have you burned down?

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      • on October 19, 2013 at 6:54 am Lucky White Male

        You need a certain baseline IQ to understand nuance

        http://krauserpua.com/2012/08/02/this-is-what-sigma-looks-like/

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      • hat tip, mon frere

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      • It’s a consolation theory for nerds to rationalize their isolation. It allows them to pretend they have everything the Quarterback Prom King has, but they choose to remain aloof of all those superficial trappings of success, like banging the captain of the cheer squad.

        See also “lone wolf” comic book heroes who “make their own rules.” There is a reason why an obsession with fantasy entertainment is universally understood as loserish.

        Matt

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      • Yes Matt. The sober voice of reality creeping in and getting all of us depressed. Again. 😦 I’m gonna cry

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      • on October 19, 2013 at 2:33 pm Lucky White Male

        You Matthew King are a Super Gamma

        Meanwhile the man who wrote the article I linked is

        1. A hired gun quant in banking world with respect of highly functioning men at highest levels of business (the rare, uncommon talent the world of Men cannot help but notice and accomdate – Sigma)

        2. Takes it or leaves it, at his whim, when he feels like it (the Sigma outside the hierarchy) in order to take sabbaticals to holiday in Eastern Europe where he bangs 21 year old Russian ass, which, he videotapes and posts on a website

        The only isolated nerd full of compensation theories is you

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      • Yawn, you clearly don’t troll Vox enough. Do some digging and you can find a pic of his wife. I’d say his wife is up to spec as far as prom queen goes. His career in general can be found also by doing searches on his nom de plum and real names. Not a bad life to have… and done primarily by making his own rules.

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    • lesser alpha by choice and personal goals. Alpha’s are nothing without people around them. Sigmas are “complete at every hour”, as it were.

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  6. “Post-collapse, the weepy, suddenly straight-thinking women will crave the firm footing of authorial alpha males and predictable beta males. The female desire for romantic excitement will be quenched by the real excitement of destitution, decay and doom.”

    Yes, one of the most astonishing (to feminists) and gratifying consequences of the coming apocalypse will be the reckless abandon with which women will suddenly embrace their traditional roles, and will latch onto any man who happens by.

    “And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.” Isaiah 4:1

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  7. Renegade Alphas tend to be more self-sufficient than the majority of men. My money’s on them surviving a societal collapse in numbers disproportionate to their share of the population.

    Post-collapse, access to others’ resources will still be the most important concern for women, but Uncle Sugar won’t be around to extract resources from men. Renegade Alphas will have the goodies & the skills to get more, but they won’t be inclined to share. Guess who winds up in the cat bird seat?

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  8. “Yes, one of the most astonishing (to feminists) and gratifying consequences of the coming apocalypse will be the reckless abandon with which women will suddenly embrace their traditional roles, and will latch onto any man who happens by”

    This actually happened, for a brief period of time after 9/11. For about six months after the Towers fell, every chick in NYC wanted a fireman, a cop, or a soldier as a lover/husband. That moment passed as soon as it was realized that 9/11 was a one-off instead of the new normal, but it was a harbinger of things to come.

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    • “This actually happened, for a brief period of time after 9/11. For about six months after the Towers fell, every chick in NYC wanted a fireman, a cop, or a soldier as a lover/husband. That moment passed as soon as it was realized that 9/11 was a one-off instead of the new normal, but it was a harbinger of things to come.”

      Boy, well said. I remember reading an op-ed by a woman who had considered herself your typical liberal, big-city girl, and suddenly came to her senses…

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    • “This actually happened, for a brief period of time after 9/11. For about six months after the Towers fell, every chick in NYC wanted a fireman, a cop, or a soldier as a lover/husband. That moment passed as soon as it was realized that 9/11 was a one-off instead of the new normal, but it was a harbinger of things to come.”

      Shortly after 9/11 I read a fascinating op-ed by a woman who considered herself a typical big-city liberal girl, and was amazed by how her viewpoint had changed about some of the above…

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    • They also wanted me. More so than Captain America, it seemed.

      I looked rather like Osama Bin Laden at the time.

      Women’s “traditional role” is in a killer’s harem, not blowing civil servants.

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    • The narcissism of youth means you can’t see ( as I couldn’t) that the “coming apocalypse” is you getting old in a stumbling, messy world where the greedy win–which appears to be unstable, but, however, is far more stable than you, you yourself and your tiny, evaporating bag-of-water body.

      The real coming apocalypse is you getting, irrelevant, and unwanted.
      Nothing else ever changes.

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      • The whizz-dumb of the internet cretin.

        Seek others true wisdom? What, then, saith the Scriptures?

        Take heed, that no one deceives you…

        But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away…

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      • fucking Greg Eliot brain-limping again.

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      • I think anonybrain is agreeing with me. The Bible can make some good metaphorical sense here– The Flood, that’s when you’re dead. So everyone parties until they’re dead. Nothing wrong with that, heh heh. Heh heh.

        Where they make their money is in lying about their ability to help you after you’re D A I D.

        The slight logical problem there is, when you’re D A I D there’s no “you” to help any more.

        Boo Hoo! Boo Hoo! And I know who did it!

        The Frankfurters! The Frankfurters!!!

        Heh heh. He said Frankfurter.

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      • The Hebrew National hot dog sock puppets can’t help but fail to cut the mustard. llozoozlzlzozolzlzlzl

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      • Stupid idiot; he’s not sock “puppettering”. Everyone knows he’s the same guy. On the other hand, you gregi, are calling the kettle as usual.

        Now, go back to pouncing about with zombie and the ghost of Frankfurter. It seems you thrive most in a septic swamp.

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  9. Hank Moody from the show Californication comes to mind when considering a the sigma archetype. A man who answers to nobody and doesn’t care for the circus of the traditional social hierarchy, thriving as a renegade warrior in a sea of loose pudenda, made possible by the moral bankruptcy of the sprawl of Los Angeles.

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  10. Rather than dark enlightenment, I prefer the term endarkenment.

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  11. Hank Moody from the show Californication comes to mind when considering a the sigma archetype. A man who answers to nobody and doesn’t care for the circus of the traditional social hierarchy, thriving as a renegade warrior in a sea of loose pudenda, made possible by the moral bankruptcy of the sprawl of Los Angeles.

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  12. Holy crap this is so me.

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    • no it isn’t, you’re just an attention whore

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    • I find the whole spectrum to be silly, but you’ve highlighted why “sigma” is the silliest of all: it is a self-indulgent and boastful creation that attempts to rationalize (in a decidedly feminine way, IMHO) why the individual who utilizes the term isn’t quite “up to snuff” when compared to traditional alphas. “No, no, no!” says the Sigma. “I may not be alpha, but I never WANTED to be alpha. Thankfully, there’s a category that exists that not only proves I’m not beta, but that I’m also actually SUPERIOR to alphas.”

      The whole concept is ludicrous and we ought not employ it.

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      • “I find the whole spectrum to be silly”

        Agreed. Anything past Alpha/Beta is mental masturbation. It seems like it’s just people either looking to embrace labels that allow them to stay in their comfort zone, or people looking to compare themselves and their level of specialness against other people’s level of specialness to find out who’s the specialist snowflake.

        It’s not that there aren’t degrees of Alpha/Beta and various types of people…it’s that none of that is relevant. Attraction is attraction. If you’re alpha, you’re attractive, it doesn’t matter how you became alpha or what degree of it you are. If you’re not very alpha, you’re not very attractive. If you’re very beta, you’re very unattractive. Water is water, whether its hot, cold, came from a river or from a cloud. In terms of direct application and learning, there’s no need to go any deeper than “something is either water or it’s not water”.

        Label me however you like, it won’t affect who I am or what I do. I am whatever actions I take today.

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      • on October 18, 2013 at 2:20 pm Greatest Beta

        “I am whatever actions I take today”

        I love that

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      • Hey Yareally. Posted a follow-up response, hoping you will take the time out to read it. I’m Jonathan, the 48 yr old dude that you replied to 3 days ago.
        Please check https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/10/09/government-shutdown-a-boon-for-beta-males/.

        As of now, my post is the last comment in that thread.

        Thanks.
        Jonathan

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      • @Jonathan

        Will check it out, look for a reply in a few days

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      • Wrong. The actions you take are a function of your essence. Can’t lift that weight until your muscles can handle the load.

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      • Taking action does not equal succeeding at that action. You can’t control the outcome, you can not control that you take action toward it.

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      • Ooop typo. That was supposed to be “you can’t control the outcome, you can only control that you take action toward it”

        I might not get the girl, I can’t control that, but I can control whether I approach her.

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      • just because you think like a chick man, doesn’t mean you should.

        when you do you get posts like this one.

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      • “I find the whole spectrum to be silly…”

        Beta: Average success with women.
        Alpha: Significantly above average success with women.
        Omega: Significantly below average success with women.

        Simple, succinct, easy to remember. I say keep it this way.

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    • not right now it is’t you.

      maybe in a year. you got tactics and no philosophy. the what but no why.

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  13. In evo-psych terms, if a sigma/renegade is a pussy hound who doesn’t want the traditional social/leadership role, he might be the “sneaky fucker” who gets the females of the herd when the silverback gorilla isn’t looking. The genetic benefits without the climbing or investing in the social order.

    In social terms, if you’re talking about rapid social change, then maybe the 70s, early in the post-sexual revolution era, would have been the renegade/sigma heyday. major social changes with coexisting with widespread prosperity (and hence female lack of interest in tradition male providerdom) The hippies, swingers, rockers, singles, countercultural gurus, and not-yet-settled-into-yuppies of that era. The young adulthood of the baby boomers. However, the change in sexual mores was so extreme that perhaps that period shouldn’t be compared to any others. Today, and even in the last decade, social change is less benign economically. It isn’t the abject collapse theorized above, but it’s a lot more fraught and less secure. So I differ a bit with the assertion that today is the golden age of the renegade. There’s a social neoconservatism (pardon the term, think of it etymologically and not in association with the foreign policy of G W Bush), afoot, an interest among (some) young people in traditional values and questioning the libertine norms bequeathed by their boomer elders who run the culture. This didn’t exist 15-20 years ago to my recollection.

    In the 90s, you had prosperity but the rise of the PUAs was probably connected to something else- the early 90s was the high water mark of feminist-inspired political correctness and anti-rape hysteria on univesities, which coincided with a perceived overreaching of 60s-era feminism and corresponding female entitlement. (see the delusional cougars on “Sex and the City” for the cultural archetypes.) Also a widespread awareness of the negative effects on men of bullshit sexual harassment laws and policies, biased divorce court regimes, worthless and wasteful set-asides like Title IX, etc. which were not so new any more so the negative effects could be clearly seen.

    PUA techniques have been practiced instinctively by naturals forever, but the earliest PUA gurus (Ross Jeffries, Mystery, even Neil Strauss) were self-described nerds and failures with women until they codified PUA behavior in a typical spergy, nerdy way. The Internet had a lot to do with it as well, of course.

    So maybe the birth of the contemporary movement had something to with each of these: a reaction to female entitlement/pedestalization (see: “The Rules”) and the existence of the right founders and medium at the same time. There were PUA-type books in the 70s and 80s as well, but they never turned into a movement like today’s manosphere.

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  14. on October 18, 2013 at 1:05 pm gunslingergregi

    what is it when ya can beat all the drug dealer thug types but your not
    he he he
    1000 vs 1
    I win
    I guess ya can overdo the dark triad
    what I win though eh
    i’m actually pretty loving with chicks I love
    all the others yea ok I don’t really care

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  15. Y’all are wolves. I am a leopard. A cat is not a renegade dog.

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  16. on October 18, 2013 at 1:20 pm The Burninator

    Too many terms, too much granular separation. We bicker over whether we’re going to join the People’s Front of Judea, or the Judean People’s Front (splitters!) when speaking of alpha.

    So an alpha doesn’t fit in with the rules of corporate land/government? Ok, and…that makes him different from alpha how, if he’s out being a leader of getting poon (or leading men)? Most natural alphas tend to not fall into an easily definable label outside of just “alpha”. Some follow rules here, but not there, depends on how they feel at the time. I suspect most alphas fall into this category, except maybe for the metrosexual PUA boys in the big cities who are, for all intents and purposes, rules following to the n-th degree. Yet we’re all alphas.

    This reminds me of how the eco-religionists gibber on and on regarding “endangered species!”. They’ll take a finch that lives in a tree in your yard, call it the Burninator’s Yard Tree Finch, instead of just “finch”, then count them (hey, there’s four!) and declare them endangered and thusly relieve me of legal rights to my property. Sure, it’s in my yard, and in my tree, but it’s still just a damned finch. Creating granular labels based on negligible differences serves no useful purpose except to keep us separated and searching for identity.

    Natural alphas and “learned it here” alphas are, end of the day, alphas. Our “D&D Alignment” may differ (YaReally, a learned alpha, would be Lawful Good, I’m natural and Chaotic Good, CH appears to be Lawful Good, etc), but end of the day, we’re all just alphas within our given context. Context can change, and our approaches to it can change (the chaotic good “me” may well decide to form a revolutionary group, organize a sizable army and lead a charge up a hill to re-take D.C., for example, where YaReally may decide “Hey, you know what, I think I’m going to say screw everything, head out on the road on a motorcycle and never look back, to hell with society and rules”).

    Too fine, too granular labeling fails for lack of accounting for standard human unpredictability and situational behavior. Meta level labeling, otoh, is fine and useful (alpha or beta or omega) in this realm.

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    • Ate my damn post. Burninator, I think a lot of folks think “hey, I’m sigma, I’m on top of the heap.” I think CH is saying “no, that ain’t necessarily so.” The sigma thing is pretty much me – call me higher beta or lesser alpha, or whatever, I don’t give a shit. I’m good with women, don’t give a crap about the donkeys and hens bleating and clucking…..and am completely outclassed by the more serious, big-scoring alphas. Isn’t a damn thing wrong with acknowledging that.

      “Mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself; excellence respects and admires genius.”

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    • on October 18, 2013 at 1:37 pm The Burninator

      Nothing wrong with acknowledging limitations, absolutely correct.

      I just find the need to continually refine and break down useful general categories to the 10th degree rather self defeating. “Lesser alpha” or “greater alpha” or whatever, still, if you’re on top of your game/environment, what does it matter?

      Deal with this shit with libertarians all the time (of which I’m one). They get so damned focused on what kind (Minarchist? Anarcho-Capitalist? Constitutionalist? etc?) that they end up un-united and powerless, since they’re so busy bickering with each other. I’ve actually seen it have real life damaging effects during some of their state conventions (that I no longer attend, no time left for bullshit and worrying about rules/procedures) that severely weakened that state’s party and positions/platforms.

      The only useful distinction, and the use is rather limited I’ll state up front, is between natural and learned. Even that means nothing once somebody has fully absorbed the teachings that they’ve learned and have “faked it and eventually made it!”. When we start going on with half of the Greek alphabet in order to categorize and structure the entire sphere of human behavior down to the most minute detail, the actual process becomes wrought with confusion and bewilderment. You’re either alpha or you’re not. You’re either beta, or you’re not. Omega, or not. That’s about as far as I find it useful (and frankly, omega just seems like a butthurt or fugly beta to me, so I’m not really sure how useful that is either).

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      • That is because Alpha-Lambda-Chi theorists and libertarians are a bunch of dorks, whether they can pull or not.

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      • on October 21, 2013 at 4:49 am The Burninator

        Yes Ryan, I’m sure you’re “all that and a bag of chips”. Go find some other ankle to snip at, kid, you’re not impressing me much.

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    • LOL @ the DnD reference. But methinks you spent too much time out of the house and not “rolling the bones” with the dungeon master. CH is not even close to the Lawful Good of DnD. In fact, I’d say that no true alpha is LG. Betas are LG… hence the term “White Knight”. Your average fairly savvy alpha dude is normally CG, by your definition. You get towards the more Dark Tetrad style from the other post then you are pushing into Neutral or Chaotic Neutral which I believe was actually defined as borderline sociopath in that game.

      Anyways… I think I just lost some cool points for even discussing this shit. I remember in high school one DnD kid we use to hang out with was at a party and started talking about it and the other guy I knew who was pretty alpha was like “Seriously you have 10 seconds to STFU or I’m going to hurt you”. No pussy repellent has YET to be invented stronger than talking about either videogames or anything related to it.

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      • Seriously you have 10 seconds to STFU or I’m going to hurt you”. No pussy repellent has YET to be invented….

        LMAO. Don’t worry, he went home right away and devised a new socio-sexual hierarchy to explain why fantasy is superior to reality. With his qualities coincidentally descriptive of the man on top of the heap.

        It’s like ugly women trying to say how all cute girls are bitches who are stupid and vapid and have “no personality.” If the compensations for inferiority do not present naturally, then losers devise magical ideas of secret equality to console themselves.

        And yet all the fat women I’ve encountered are as unpleasant as they are fat. Hmm. Dorks are the opposite of kind; they are vicious to the world in revenge. Because even they know, deep down, that their contrived consolations are inadequate, not to mention straight-up false. Monstrum in fronte, monstrum in animo.

        Matt

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      • Matt, you should know better. What CH is describing as a Sigma has been acknowledged as an archetype by cultures across the world, and deep into the past. The medieval Europeans referred to him as “The Joker”, the indians called him “Coyote”, he goes by “Trickster” as well as other handles.

        The trickster isn’t the invention of some spergy PUA’s, he’s a common literary archetype. Many Biblical prophets exhibited these qualities.

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      • The trickster:

        “The undeveloped, idiot side of this symbol may have a type of clear-sightedness due to lacking the complications and contradictions of thinking and intellectual values. It also may be creative in a serendipitous sort of way. Because it doesn’t seriously hold onto a purpose or idea, this side of our nature may lead us to something new, a change of direction. In some dreams the fool is a figure who is sacrificed.

        The fool or clown is also about the ability to either laugh at the ridiculousness of life, or to cut through the social shams and reveal our hypocrisy in an acceptable way. This makes the fool or clown wise, because they can see through who we are and what people do. Their talent is to reveal such things to us.

        But the clown has another aspect which is as a man – usually the clown is male – of sorrows. He leads us to tears as often as he leads us to laughter. This is because the clown shows us the wonderful and tragic human feelings underlying the masks we might wear in daily life. Love, life, loss, success and failure, all have their deeply human side and the clown reveals such things to us.”

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      • Vox Day’s “sigma” is nothing more than the Trickster or Coyote re-imagined. You should know better than to dismiss the very real and vital purpose of this archetype, an archetype who is acknowledged by even the most primitive cultures.

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      • on October 21, 2013 at 4:55 am The Burninator

        You’re way more into D&D than me man, I was just using a frame of reference I’ve seen others use here. It is besides the point anyway, the actual point being that differentiating down to the n-th degree is silly.

        “I bought her an ice cream cone and skittles, and I didn’t let her ride on my motorcycle with me”

        “Oh, well then, you’re an alpha-delta-3rd Degree Sigma! If you’d not bought the ice cream you’d be 2nd degree, but you did, so, well, there you go!”

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  17. I attempted to read ‘The Order’, by Brad Thor today, A NYT bestseller, trashing the horribly written book when I reached chapter 3. I then discovered Miley Cyrus has the number one album in the country.

    Thinking to myself that everything in America is geared toward the lowest common denominator, my thoughts began to careen, lustfully, down path of vengeance for those responsible for the degradation. Then, the words “Pool Side” appeared and offered me comfort.

    I think America, in divine irony, must fall to save Europe.

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    • Outside of maybe college campis, it is rather difficult to have a stimulating, intelligent conversation in America. If you talk to guys, you get pseudo-macho one-upmanship posturing (or nerdy geekshit), if you talk to girls, you get vapid, meaningless nothing. Or hate.
      Sad as it may be, lesbians are about the best American conversationalists.
      I guess we can only hope there will be a Europe worth saving. Step one towards that would be to build some no-nonsense coastal batteries on the isle of Lampedusa.

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  18. For whatever reason, I have been actively following the murder trial of Dr. Martin Macneill, a doctor from Utah, who has been accused of murdering his wife. The short facts are that the Doc was having an affair, his wife suspected as much and got plastic surgery, and she later drowned in her bathtub. The state, his daughters, and all of society are apparently convinced that he killed her by somehow over medicating her and waiting for her to drown in the bathtub. No hard evidence from what I can tell, but he did act erratically in the wake of his wife’s death. It is incredible how women are able to use the strong arm of the state to keep men in line for cheating. This is similar to how rape accusations are used to allow women to punish men they regret sleeping with. Very scary stuff

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  19. on October 18, 2013 at 2:08 pm Reservoir Tip

    The cool thing is that the modern-day “non-conformists” are the traditionally minded men, and in some cases women. Being right-wing has never been so…. SEXY

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    • not really. too much fear of judgement.

      see: the Mormon Church

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      • Reservoir Tip’s right, if you disregard hivemind cults, of course.

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      • like the republican party?

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      • Both the Stupid Party and the Evil Libtard Party.

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      • I love Ron Paul.

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      • on October 18, 2013 at 5:40 pm Reservoir Tip

        Yes, like the Republican party. The reason the Republicans aren’t sexy or attracting any youth or up-and-comers is because they hang people like Ted Cruz out to try. They don’t actually stand for or fight for a damn thing. Think about the intelligentsia of the “Dark Enlightenment” and New Right. I assume Heartiste is rather young, maybe mid-30s or so. We have bright, young minds, and wise older ones like the folks over at AmRen.

        Frankly, I think the future is bright. With the way the Right is moving, we’ll have the “clean-cut badboy” image that’ll do wonders. Lots of people are starting to “get it” if you ask me.

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  20. on October 18, 2013 at 2:19 pm Simon Hotchkin

    OR you can just pay to bang 10s LOL and forget about all this game shit and do other stuff like make money and fly first class around the world

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    • on October 18, 2013 at 2:58 pm Greatest Beta

      Nah dude hookers suck. I’ve done a few felt gross each time. Nothing beats the affection of a woman that’s turned on by you…that paid shit is a fucking job man yuck

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      • on October 18, 2013 at 3:41 pm Simon Hotchkin

        Yeah dude I am sure you can afford 500 an hour in NY or to travel to Russia or Brazil.

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      • on October 18, 2013 at 10:22 pm gunslingergregi

        it is kind of hot too when they free

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      • on October 18, 2013 at 10:33 pm gunslingergregi

        frontload loot get em to love you then free
        get em strippin or open business bringing loot home

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      • I cannot connect to you, but I can CONTROL you with my 500 american dollars per hour!!! Heh heh heh.

        And since there is nothing inside you, you are just an elegant shell, there is no DIFFERENCE between controlling you and “connecting” to you.

        Ignorant slave.

        mad scientist laugh.

        You know, in the old James Bond movies, they had better villains– I mean those guys had hollowed-out MOUNTAINS and stuff.

        In that last stupid movie ( although Daniel Craig is a hunk of burning luv) the villain was a GAY GUY WHO WAS MAD AT HIS BOSS.

        Can’t you Brits come up with anything REALLY evil any more? Simon Hotchkin. That name is just not evil enough for a villain, not cool enough for a “double -O” character.

        Now if it was HotchKISS I could get a minor boner. I mean, not a boner for a minor but it could be, like, a fashion photographer’s name or something.

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      • No idea what you just wrote amigo. Too much free time, dick head?

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      • Lzolzolzzzolozozzz. What the fwick. Hahahahahababa

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      • Oh, I’M a dickhead. I’M a dickhead.

        Come to think of it….

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  21. I didn’t know that, could you give a link to read about his change?

    It’s pretty simple. It was a simple matter of being younger and smaller than the rest of my school class. Finally caught up in 10th grade and belatedly discovered I was considered better-looking than most and a D1-caliber athlete. However, one can’t go nine years at the bottom of the social ladder and then suddenly embrace the hierarchy with any degree of comfort. I went out with a lot of extremely pretty girls, but never one from my school.

    I find the whole spectrum to be silly, but you’ve highlighted why “sigma” is the silliest of all: it is a self-indulgent and boastful creation that attempts to rationalize (in a decidedly feminine way, IMHO) why the individual who utilizes the term isn’t quite “up to snuff” when compared to traditional alphas. “No, no, no!” says the Sigma. “I may not be alpha, but I never WANTED to be alpha.

    This is missing the point entirely. It’s not a question of being not up to snuff. Everyone else tends to consider me an alpha or wants me to “step up” and take charge. For example, I was recruited to be groomed for Congress when I was 21 by some national Republican players. Bigger men naturally defer to me, perhaps because my intellectual arrogance is a quasi-palpable force. Alphas are constantly wary of me, expecting me to challenge them.

    But that’s not me. I’d much rather be a hermit than at the center of the social circle. Today, I spoke to a grand total of one person outside my family, one less than the day before. So, I think the guy with the introvert/extrovert is onto something there.

    I have great respect for alphas. But living the way they do strikes me as tremendously exhausting.

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    • Stupendous solipsism. You’ve crafted a “socio-sexual” theory around your overblown understanding of yourself.

      Perhaps “sigma” can connote the pure self-centeredness of an inward-gazing woman combined with the typical world-defying hubris of a man: declaring categorical imperatives in lieu of genuine introspection (or therapy).

      You might be on to something if you were 1/100th the interesting specimen you (and your sad fans) think you are. From what you produce, I see a mediocrity with early promise attempting to rationalize his failure to live up to his potential, substituting self-aggrandizement for the great achievements you were supposed to have accomplished by now, Mr. Congressman.

      Stop sublimating your idiosyncrasies of failure into theories that only dupe rubes. I so could be Alpha, look at all the people who think I am! But, like, I don’t wanna. Don’t inflict your personal psychodrama on us the way women do, confusing the problems in your head with the problems of the universe. And, please, cease mistaking this transparent psychological trick on yourself as a plausible explanation for all social and sexual behavior. I am embarrassed for you.

      It’s a bummer you can’t Scalzi-delete me here, innit? I always wondered how quickly you’d expose yourself without the benefit of cherry-picking your weakest critics. Anytime, anywhere: let’s talk. Remember the promise of “heterotopic discourse,” friend?

      Matt

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    • “I have great respect for alphas. But living the way they do strikes me as tremendously exhausting.”

      If you have to act or deliberately go through the motions, I imagine it would be.

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  22. Alpha is a term from the canine world; the alpha may be top dog, but he’s still a dog. The sigma is a cat.

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    • yes, the cat who walks by himself:

      Originally all the tame animals were wild, but especially the Cat: he walked by himself and all places were alike to him. The Man was wild too until he met the Woman, who chose a Cave for them to live in, lit a fire in it and hung a horsehide over the opening. She cooked a meal of wild ingredients.

      Then when the cat went to prison, it refused to convert to islam because all religions were alike to him…

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  23. like i was telling another Sigma buddy this morning…..just gotta be careful you don’t get burned as a witch.

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  24. I feel vindicated that CH finally talked about the “sigma” concept. I’ll take “Renegade Alpha” happily, and be pleased to put a more satisfactory label on it.

    I’m fine with people, and I have many followers. There’s a guy in Israel, in particular, who sucks up to me and really just wishes we could be BFFs or some shit, and another guy I apparently went to high school with who is eagerly awaiting my every word with bated breath.

    But people bore me. I’m not a girl, and don’t give a fuck about orbiters. I don’t give a fuck about dinner parties and pretending to give a shit about boring people who smell their own farts.

    I’d rather bang that scene kid than the Harvard grad any day. I actually like train wrecks the best, because it’s easier not to give a shit about them, which really improves game. Not that I have any game, but goddammit, I finally got a number after a year of this shit. Better late than never!

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    • No offense dude but try to get out of your own head once in a while.
      Play some football.

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      • But right above this post you castigate Matt for saying this same thing (though in a much more long-winded way) to VD. Consistency! It’s what’s for breakfast…

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      • Good point. The clarification would be, stop being worried about how many friends you have, so that you and your head can get along and be productive. This will maintain the consistency of my words.

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  25. *****(MOST IMPORTANT*****: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/how_to_be_saved.html

    2. http://www.godlovespeople.com/

    3. http://www.jesusisprecious.org/

    Check out Rise of the Sigma Male everyone @ scienceofmack.blogspot.com/

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  26. Chart is too shallow.

    Following your chart people like Buddha or Jesus would be:
    “Beta 4,5,6 Romance died after second date; 6 month dry spells;”

    … because they decided to found a world religion instead of hunting 18 year olds.

    Mr. Cobain killed himself at a very young age because he couldnt endure his success and him you did mention as alpha?

    The holy grail is fucking lots of women and that’s all that matters – all other noble qualities a man has are worth-less, because they are only means to reach more pussy – really?

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  27. Also STOP using the Lord Jesus Christ’s Name in VAIN. It’s wrong. Quit saying “Jesus f-ing Christ!” or “Oh my G–” or “God-d——“, “holy s—“, “holy c–” (seems like in reference to the Children of Israel who bowed down and worshipped a GOLDEN CALF – IDOLATRY YO! ….can go on forever….. See: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/name_in_vain.htm

    C’mon……

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    • Jesus Christ, get a life, for the love of God. Holy moly. God damn, son…

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    • The Catholics seem perfectly happy worshipping Mary and Idolating at the feet of their little idol-statues and saints.

      So my question was: Does it even count as in-vain if they’re so busy giving the [ahem] “virgin” the reacharound that they forget about even saying the word “Jesus”?;
      -except for the pretty little carved & painted idol of Ted Nugent, of course?

      -Expound:

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    • You know what. This guy is right. I used to do that a lot, but now I don’t. A preacher explained to me that God’s name is more important to Him than anything. Using his name in such a foolhardy manner will incur direct punishment into your life. Don’t do it fools, or you will know God’s wrath.

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    • This is a game blog. Take the Jesus freak stuff to the blog down the road or I’m gonna start responding to your godspam with http://jesussucksdevilcocksinhell.com

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      • You won’t live long and prosper.

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      • Thanks for the kind words. Make sure you’re saved buddy: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/.

        And ONLY read the King James Holy Bible. You might as well burn any other bible besides a KJV. Anything thing else is lies and abominations straight out of the pits of Hell.

        Fight the good fight of faith. I’ll keep you in my prayers. Adios!

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      • See: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer's%20Corner/tough_love_jesus.htm

        Lord Jesus Christ is NOT A Homosexual!!! Why play games like that?! It’s sick!!! Posting a link……NOT FUNNY OR CLEVER WHATSOEVER.

        Can’t describe how offensive that is and how MAD I AM!!!! We’re all hellfire-deserving sinners but “play” like that is so wrong AND INTENTIONAL. I hope that site gets shut down for good. I really mean it. Definitely not a joke.

        See:

        Please get your head out of the place where the sun don’t shine, breath some FRESH AIR and GET REAL. Jesus is A REAL MAN, GOD INCARNATE. All this “Alpha/beta” talk that gets talked about on the sphere is FAR INFERIOR TO HIM. He is the ALPHA of all CREATION.

        People are just now “understanding” what God, Lord Jesus Christ always knew, knows and always will about the human male socio-sexual hierarchy neatly expanded upon by Vox concerning the SOCIO and the SEXUAL parts of the Alpha/beta dichotomy. Vox pretty much outlined the WHOLE socio-sexual hierarchy and it’s not hard to understand. Paraphrased with estimated percentages of population:

        Alpha – leader of men (top 1-5%)

        Beta – follower, 2nd best guy INSIDE social hierarchy (beat down to third concerning Sigma’s socio-sexual success) (10-30%)

        Delta – average guy (most guys) (40-60%)

        Gamma – Effeminate hipster, geek, white knight personalities AKA John Scalzi (1-10%)

        Omega – Clueless social outcast (1-5%)

        Sigma – cool, mysterious loner/outsider (top 1-5%)

        Lambda – homosexuals (?%…ridiculous and sinful)

        It’s REALLY not that hard.

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      • *See: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer's%20Corner/Doctrines/judgment.htm

        Please get born again in spirit, admit you’re a guilty sinner and put your faith in Christ and you will be saved: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/how_to_be_saved.html

        1. http://www.godlovespeople.com/

        2. http://www.jesusisprecious.org/

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  28. You and Vox don’t need to attempt to name a sigma, or whatever you decided. They’ve long had a name and a place where they flourishes. They are called anti-heroes and literature, and movies are littered with them.

    They won’t lead but they won’t follow, even thought they have all the gifts of the greatest alphas. They don’t play well with others. Think Josey Wales, but the real question is do they actually exist in real life, or are they just a fantasy of men as well as women.

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  29. You guys really need to get all your Greek letters straight….
    Now the Sigma is – according to CH – a ‘Lesser Alpha’?
    What happened to ‘Lone Wolf Alpha’? It’s nonsense, but somehow more accurate.
    In order to be a real Alpha (dog, ape, man, dolphin, whatever), you need to be the leader of a pack, the top of a strictly established social hierarchy. Lone wolves do not have packs, ergo they aren’t Alphas, regardless of how many Alpha characteristics they may possess. Or how many bitches they fuck.
    Your classic Sigma types would be musicians, painters, world travelers, off-the-grid homesteaders and similar non-conformists, usually by choice.

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    • on October 19, 2013 at 6:17 am Eliezer Ben-Yehuda

      Musicians and painters are non-conformists? Is that why they move to the Bay Area, or to Greenwich Village… to find isolation from others like themselves?

      Without an audience…. there is no show.

      90% of off-the-grid-homesteaders are EXTREMELY internet-plugged into fora, “Burning Man”-type conventions, and other manifestations of “no audience, no show” mental framework.

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      • People exist for a reason

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      • American musicians move to areas such as NYC, Nashville, Austin, etc. because the US only have a handful of really lively musical centers, the remainder being either fire’n’brimstone Bahble Baylt or empty nowhere prairie land inhabited by fat quilters.

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  30. on October 18, 2013 at 9:10 pm Captain Schlamered

    Man y’all I’m ready for the single life again. I got a live-in girlfriend who is fixing to get a hard lesson in act-right.

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  31. Let’s play a game.

    Lead singer/vocalist/songwriter = alpha
    Lead guitar = sigma
    Bass = you guessed it, beta.
    Drums = gamma/omega territory

    Now someone find a band whose members match the corresponding instrument/hierarchy placement.

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    • The Rolling Stones.

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    • Not bad.
      Most bands I’ve come across – including up close & personal – break down somewhat similar to what SB describes.
      The lead singer tends to be the best-looking (sometimes tallest) guy in the bunch, which makes him the most attractive to females. He’s often also the least musically talented/involved.
      The lead guitarist is frequently the musical heart & soul of the band, but can be somewhat aloof.
      Bass players lean towards the quiet, introspective, artsy side and drummers are often either short (MAJOR YUK!!! to girls) and/or party animals.
      I’m sure everyone knows exceptions – including myself – but the above is more or less the norm.

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      • Wolfie65

        The lead singer tends to be the best-looking (sometimes tallest) guy in the bunch, which makes him the most attractive to females. He’s often also the least musically talented/involved.
        —————————————————————————————————–

        Thats kinda true about singers being the “least musically talented/involved.’ But it all evens out because the singer can’t just buy a new ‘instrument’ and very few people can really sing.

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    • van halen

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    • I love drums.

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    • Skies Blue
      Drums = gamma/omega territory
      ———————————————————————————————-

      Or maybe they are just acting that way?

      Drummers already have the most power in any band; it is they alone who have the most potential to fuck up the entire song. They are the foundation, the glue…

      The last thing any band needs is a drummer who “can’t/won’t play his position”

      When a band is good, even their bus driver scores quality poon.

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  32. The original alpha-beta language does come from studies of wildlife biology, as the legion of spergdroids seem insistent on repeating. But it’s broadly applicable to almost all mammalian species, including humans, as the Discovery channel has recently demonstrated.

    Regarding sigma males, the adaptation of the sneaky fucker was perhaps first observed in humans, but Interestingly, similar social adaptations sometimes occur widely across species, and the rise of the sigma is no exception.

    Some men on here will recognize that the alpha male in ungulates such as the Wapiti (elk) is often called the “herd bull,” due to his ability to maintain a harem during mating season, called “the rut.”

    Some experienced elk hunters have told me that the most truly dominant bull elk are not those herd bulls, but those bulls who don’t *need* to maintain harems to have access to lots of elk punani.

    I found an article on it recently, and reading it, and reading into it as a cultivator of the charismatic arts, must consider it relevant to game:

    “I’VE LONG HELD a theory that some truly dominant bulls don’t hold a harem. It’s too much effort and is biologically inefficient. These elk let other, lesser bulls expend the energy necessary to gather and maintain a herd, a task that is all-consuming for the better part of a month. Why manage a cow for a month when she’s only in heat for a day?

    I believe such a dominant bull makes his rounds each night, going from one bugling herd bull to the next, checking each cow along the way. He may check several herds each night. If a cow is in heat or about to come into heat, he either cuts her out of the herd or boots the other bull. More than likely he has already established his dominance over the lesser bull and doesn’t face much of a fight.

    If he finds no cow in estrus, he leaves the other elk and spends the day alone.”

    Read more: http://www.bowhunter.com/feature_articles_time_073904.html#ixzz2i8stbFHq

    Admittedly, this is an n=1 observation of a hunter, and not a wildlife biologist, but I have to consider it valuable information, because hunters have far more skin in the game than some government-salaried academic biologist.

    To really consider alpha, beta, and sigma in biological terms, one might consider the coefficient of effort-to-bang needed for a given behavior as a proxy to measure dominance. In this sense, sigma is more biologically efficient, and in that way, out-alphas the alphas.

    If we’re truly thinking in terms of biomechanics, as in biological mechanisms, which is all about efficiency and antifragility, I think most observers will come to a similar conclusion–the bull (player) that doesn’t need a harem or can form one on the fly, has an advantage.

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    • on October 19, 2013 at 6:28 am Eliezer Ben-Yehuda

      >> hunters have far more skin in the game than some government-salaried academic biologist

      Maybe so. Or maybe some of those hunters spend more time writing manly prose, drinking, and carousing, than studying the quarry.

      Show me a guy who poaches an endangered species, I’ll show you a real ==hunter== of the difficult-to-find.

      Show me a guy who takes legal prey in season with his license in his pocket…. I’ll show you a guy who is paying for the privilege of pruning the herd down to size that a govt wildlife biologist has determined can survive by foraging through the winter.

      I’ve been a member of several hunt clubs on the USA East coast…. more drinking and revelry than hunting. Mostly city guys.

      The real redneck farmers run after varmints. Do you even know what a varmint is without checking it on google?

      PS: I pity your suburbanite dog if he is foolish enough to go one-on-one with a middle-sized racoon. Does your vet take credit cards?

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      • I’ve been a member of several hunt clubs on the USA East coast…

        And here I thought they were restricted.

        Did Uncle Same subsidize your ammo? llozozozlzlzozozlzlzozzlzlll

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      • “Do you even know what a varmint is . . .”

        10 good sized woodchucks put as much meat in my freezer as one medium sized deer and there ain’t no stinkin’ season on them.

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      • when does coon season start?

        (looks around nervously)

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      • Let me put it this way… if you ever hear someone say they have “woodchucks” in their freezer assume that you are somewhere where coon season never ends. You sure got a purty mouth boy… 😀

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      • Show me a poacher – especially one who poaches endangered species – and I’ll show you a worthless asswipe who needs to be shot.

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      • Varmints are sigma animals. The best way I know to catch a fox is to burry a pvc pipe in the ground, covered in snow or grass and place bait at the bottom of the hole. I think this one guy uses peanut butter, can’t remember. The fox will dive in after the bait and his head will get stuck. You can sell him to a fox farm or use the pelts.

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  33. Hmm, the standard of status cannot be “rating of women who want to throw their pussy in your direction”, that merely is a an outward benefit of inward game tbh, seems like using the female imperative to measure status.

    Are women now are judges? Of course not, they merely are the ornaments of inward becoming outward. Women make piss poor judges, they make great Arbiter’s, no rational creature on this Earth can weigh things down to the mite like a female does.

    BUT, in a ONS/Pickup situation, that is fogged by situation, add booze and hormones and things grow a bit more fuzzy. I put forth, renegade Alpha (Sigma) and actual Alpha is better measured not by instant pussy wetness, rather by how close a woman can get to the real “you” and still stick around b/c she values you that much..a Sigma will have none of it, when we leave, we left, no curtain calls, an Alpha likes to have that king in them pandered to, supplicated to, their power, Ego, is turned against them usually by just a few words or “knowing” the other person.

    A “true” Sigma is far more of a mysterious vanishing act, a bit of a classic Viking on a raiding party, here today, gone tomorrow as tomorrow can tend to be very messy.

    Alpha loves the chaos, it’s a chance to dominate a social circle, Sigma grows sick of social circles b/c their Dominance is not what we are after, Sigmas already know they can dominate and it grows tiresome.

    Real test of Alpha v Sigma is chaos, Alpha will impose their will,Sigmas are more the men that everyone expects to dominate, and perhaps they can for a time..if we want to..we just don’t want to..Dominate and you get what..slaps on the back and the same old shit time after time.

    Sigmas value is this, we make the Alpha better at being Alpha via fucking the women that most of HIS circle are trying to fuck, and he has already fucked and she or he discarded him..Alpha’s ego in that situation wanted her to go to his Beta Lt, Sigma short circuits that one exposing his weakness

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  34. If we’re truly thinking in terms of biomechanics, as in biological mechanisms, which is all about efficiency and antifragility, I think most observers will come to a similar conclusion–the bull (player) that doesn’t need a harem or can form one on the fly, has an advantage.

    What we really need is another greek letter denoting the set of idiots who would attempt to inform their behavior by the behavior of elk bulls in the wild.

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    • Your lack of imagination is not my greek letter crisis.

      Don’t discount the wisdom of the bull elk in game. Haven’t you ever heard the joke of the young bull Wapiti coming of age?

      “A young spike bull is experiencing his first rut. He’s chomping at the bit to experience the joys of life, sex, and the rut. He finds his dad on a ridge, overlooking a meadow full of cow elk, mewling & cooing in sexual charge, ready for the males.

      Spike bull: DAD!! Let’s run down the hill and fuck one of those cows!

      Herd bull: No, son, let’s walk down the hill and fuck them all.”

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  35. Alpha is dumber than Sigma.

    Alpha is rigid, Sigma is fluid.

    Alpha leads more dull life than Sigma.

    Alpha’s physical and mental health is shittier than Sigma’s.

    Alpha chews on blood-pressure meds, and later Viagra.

    Sigma chews on honey and walnuts.

    Alpha lives shorter, less GENUINELY exciting life than Sigma.

    Alpha’s pressure-filled days are spent defending his turf. Competitors and golddiggers constantly nipping at his heels. People envy Alpha because of his professional accomplishments. Feel sorry for him for his target sign on the back.

    Sigma’s days are spent on a metaphorical beach, in a company of a woman genuinely in him. People envy Sigma for his freedom and quality of life. Hate him for not being a conformist.

    Alpha’s kids like their dad for the gifts he keeps churning out to them.

    Sigma’s kids like his dad for being there for them even if he isn’t there with them.

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    • Alpha is iPhone; Sigma is Samsung.

      Alphas put jimmies on their ice cream; Sigmas eat soft-serv swirl — fuck the cone.

      Alpha is Vegas; Sigma Reno.

      Alpha is straight penne pasta; Sigma is twisty rotini.

      Alpha is Malbec; Sigma drinks Merlot with an imperious sneer.

      Alphas wax their sphincters; Sigmas bleach their assholes.

      The differences are subtle…

      [CH: reductio ad abturdum.]

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      • Can we imagine if all of us funny people got a round table and discussed this in person? 😉 mucho humor

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      • Hey, I’m just happy signma has now come to the fore… it was getting tiresome hearing everyone describe themselves as alpha.

        sigma appears to be this year’s alpha… lulz

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      • Hate this labeling but I’m gonna play along ..

        Alfa rides a bike, with a bike club | Sigma rides a bike alone.

        Alfa go skiing, with a group | Sigma goes alone and finds his own slope.

        …..

        At the end, an ‘Alfa’ is more often insecure and under pressure to perform.

        and ‘Sigma’ is more often secure of this things and is just lay back – ‘I just dont care..’

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      • All that you say is true. However, “Alpha is straight penne pasta; Sigma is twisty rotini” is the ultimate.

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      • Wait…..except, the butt fiddling. Why is that in any form alpha?

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      • [CH: reductio ad abturdum.]

        Well played.

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  36. Alpha reads Wall St. Journal, Maxim, and watches a lot of ball games on TV.

    Sigma reads and watches whatever (of substance) he wants.

    Alpha eats steaks and pastas, Sigma eats burritos and sushi.

    Alpha’s sexual creativity peaks at slapping the ass (it’s all downhill from there.)

    Sigma has sex in public places all the time.

    Alpha sends dick picks to girls on the internet.

    Sigma receives lewd pictures from girls unsolicited.

    Alpha drives Benz, Sigma rides vintage motorbike.

    Alpha is loud and has superficial presence.

    Sigma is cool and has genuine charisma.

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    • There is much truth in this, Alpha’s go into a situation expecting to get the girl, Sigma’s go into a situation just for the pure fuckery of it and can be smug that the girl sends the photo, or surprised a woman who he paid no attention to wants in his pants.

      A true Sigma finds out later out of 5 women, 3 wanted to fuck that night, 1 was holding out, and he slept with the other one.

      For that one night, Sigma just had it, and the available women in the place all knew it, A Sigma’s frame, when it is on, beats Alpha hands down..difference between an Alpha and a Sigma is usually above the neck.

      The underlying difference is..Alpha HAS to dominate, Sigma knows why they are there, get what they want..that is their point.

      Fun times, watch a Alpha and Sigma interact, it goes one of two ways, either Sigma sees through the Alpha as if they were made of glass, or the Alpha literally will threaten violence against the Sigma.

      When an Alpha point blank tells you “..don’t think I won’t hit you..”

      And the Sigma plays it off with “..good, be sure to hit the left side of my jaw, b/c I broke the right side already…”

      THAT is when Sigma is real and not just a construct.

      Other way to tell Sigma is when a Alpha starts talking about dick size or how many women they’ve banged to demonstrate to the outsider Sigma they have Dominance value.

      Sigma’s trip Alpha’s protection, self worth, and dominance wires, and either weakness or violence will come out of the Alpha.

      And to your point, Sigmas also tend to be unique in a worthwhile way, from knowing a foreign language to making blades to what have you, Sigma’s are just different and very hard to screw with b/c a Sigma is slef contained..Sigma could care not a bit yet does something useful

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      • When an Alpha point blank tells you “..don’t think I won’t hit you..”

        And the Sigma plays it off with “..good, be sure to hit the left side of my jaw, b/c I broke the right side already…”

        THAT is when Sigma is real and not just a construct.

        This is what the “turn the other cheek” passage in the bible was really talking about. Not the pansy limp-wrist type of “Christianity”.

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  37. Michael Eisner interviewing Gene Simmons. 2 alphas –but what a contrast in styles.

    Eisner — former leader of 1000’s of men but presumably faithful to just one woman for decades. Simmons — rock bass player who might well have had sex with 1000’s of women. Leader of men alpha vs leader of women alpha going head to head.

    In this showdown Simmons is the clear winner. Body language — Eisner hunched forward, hands protecting genitals, knees together, overall submissive body posture, excessive movement, head bobbing. Simmons — leaning back, arms spread, legs crossed but taking up the neutral space, slow deliberate gestures, deeper voice. It’s not even a contest — Eisner knows that at a cave-man level he’s subordinate and his body language reeks of it. Simmons is being respectful but is ejoying watching Eisner squirm.

    Mega-poon master trumps mega-toon master. Should we be surprised? Probably not. Probably because at a primal level we sense that if a leader of men — even a successful modern-day warrior/hunter — doesn’t cash in on his alphatude with a big harem of young hotties, he’s missed the point of being a leader of men. Being a leader of men is for some an end in itself, but at the most primal level it’s a means to an end — poon, reproduction, immortality.

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    • on October 19, 2013 at 2:41 pm Lucky White Male

      Eisner is not an Alpha. Leader of men – but where are his women?

      Simmons is Alpha. If anyone wants to work on their “Frame” watch him. His fucking frame and state control are unreal. Totally unshakeable

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      • If anyone wants to work on their “Frame” watch him. His fucking frame and state control are unreal. Totally unshakeable
        ———————————————————————————————-

        Yep.

        exhibit “A” the famous Terry gross VS Gene Simmons ‘meltdown’.

        Miss SWPL “Im so trendy and cool” got her ovaries handed to her.

        I think she even calls him an asshole at some point in the interview?

        LOL

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    • Simmons might be an “alpha”….but: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Rock-n-Roll/kiss.htm

      His wealth and fame he can’t take with him, I hope and lets pray he, others from Kiss, in Hollywood and around the world come to their senses and repent.

      Don’t “idolize” this man or any man for that matter but the Lord JESUS CHRIST the only One worth “idolizing” if ya know what I mean.

      Make sure you’re saved: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/how_to_be_saved.html and read ONLY the King James Bible ANY OTHER BIBLE IS A LIE! I’ve posted on this earlier somewhere here.

      God bless. Take care.

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  38. Pretty funny. Analytical post, and of course all the women are home sleeping.
    No iPhone, Mercedes, sex, or arguments? ..zzzzzzzzzzz

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  39. I like this post. 🙂

    It is as much a waste of life for a man to play a game in which he is the winner by default, as it is for a woman to play a game in which she is the loser by default.

    Men are made men through challenge. If one was born already able to see above the herd, and understand that being the top sheep would be too limiting, what is the point in living that life not one’s own? What is the point of working so hard to achieve something that you don’t want?

    The rock climber who works for a year to take three years to travel and climb and tap all varieties of foreign, leads a much more interesting life than the one who gives his spleen to a corporation just to take the same aging bimbo to the Bahamas for a week out of the year.

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    • This girl gets it, and the rock climber analogy is perfect. From a real life example? Too bad some of the men on this thread aren’t sharp enough to see this delineation (and its clear advantages.)

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      • Yes, it’s from real life examples. I didn’t get to the carousel until after my second marriage, but when I did, I am grateful to have caught the eye of some remarkable men. One of them recently summited the Matterhorn.

        If dudes had any idea what these kinds of experiences do for a man, and the effect this has on women, those who didn’t have responsibilities that required them to do otherwise, would drop everything and seek adventure.

        I was getting over a bad breakup. He knocked the nonsense out of me with his penis.

        Since then, there have been two others that intense, but that was the first time in my life someone almost literally shagged me to death. I had to wait until I reached a certain level of fitness before I could take the chance of doing that again…hate to think of what he does to less sturdy women.

        My most recent ex boyfriend was like that, and I could take it, but I think I spontaneously ovulated. I also learned that these kinds of guys are not even minimally stable, so boyfriending them is volunteering for heartbreak. Granted, he shouldn’t have gone that direction, but I shouldn’t have followed either. So now I’m the home team for another, waiting until the day he announces he’s going abroad, and trying to stay at the top of the rotation until he does.

        When he calls, I can shave, shower, and bake a small cake in an hour.

        Yes sah!

        To some, this would seem pathetic of me, and it would be if I was 20 and wasting my youth…but I’m 43, and don’t have many good years left, so I’m finishing up my last bit of sexual relevance with the BEASTS.

        If I was 20 though, quite in vain, I’d be trying to marry that.

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      • Behold! A woman here, on October 21th 2013, had a moment of honesty!!!

        We now wait until the comet passes again.

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      • on October 21, 2013 at 4:34 am gunslingergregi

        When he calls, I can shave, shower, and bake a small cake in an hour.

        Yes sah!
        ”””””””””””””
        are ya showering and shaving him is the question
        he he he

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      • When he lets me…but since I have a thing for beards, I weep for every ginger strand.

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      • on October 21, 2013 at 9:31 pm gunslingergregi

        oh shit no way rum?

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    • on October 19, 2013 at 10:14 pm Eliezer Ben-Yehuda

      but in the real world, he’s only “climbing rocks” because he’s obeying the herd’s advice that climbing rocks makes you cool, makes you valid.

      Let’s go back (oh say) to 1957. How many people would have imagined that Americans would pay money to ascend 25 feet up a “rock climbing wall” in a mall….. which was designed and equipped with disguised footledges and handholds at exactly the right places…. after paying for the right to do so….. and wearing 3 layers of safety equipment that make it safe enough for people in wheelchairs to do…. and then feel triumphant about it?

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  40. Normally I would blame the number of hater commenters decrying the sigma concept on the epidemic of asperger’s syndrome as per usual and common in engineers and other overly intellectual men.

    But Spergs and enginerds usually have at least some finer distinction capabilities, which seems to convey the ability to grok phenomenological schema. This inability to understand and delineate a basic group male behavioral and social pattern seems to stem from a deeper lack of intellect. Perhaps a lack of breast feeding and its consequential decrease N-3 fatty acids in the brain and attendand loss of fluid IQ will explain the thick-headed unwillingness to grasp a non-alpha sexual success pattern.

    The funny thing is, the guys who fancy themselves alpha who are unwilling or unable to wrap their oxygen starved grey matter around the sigma concept are most likely to have their water cut by sneaky fuckers sigmas.

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  41. “Pussy is the holy grail”

    SOUNDS BETA TO ME! Men who think this way are typically men who are deprived of it.

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  42. Fun times, watch a Alpha and Sigma interact, it goes one of two ways, either Sigma sees through the Alpha as if they were made of glass, or the Alpha literally will threaten violence against the Sigma.

    In my first meeting with one true Alpha – a serious High Alpha, the sort who makes everyone want to roll over and urinate on themselves upon meeting him – he asked me to take off my prescription shades in a business meeting.

    I simply said “no”, without explaining myself. I wasn’t trying to challenge him, I simply couldn’t see without them.

    Three years later, another company upon whose board he sat settled with my company and paid a six-digit settlement to end my company’s lawsuit against them. (They were a big company and blatantly violated a contract.) He told me after the fact that he had warned them not to try to push us around, and furthermore, that he demanded they offer a reasonable settlement on the basis of our first meeting.

    His reasoning? “This guy doesn’t give a fuck who we are.”

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    • This comment and its detail highlight the importance of the taxonomy in business. I’ve been an entrepreneurial CEO for 20+ years and as a result (of that, and because of my appearance, interests and athletic past) am generally considered an “alpha.” I’m not: it’s just a jacket I put on in the morning. I’m faux-alpha to the core. My avocations and personal interests are those I can perform alone: writing, sitting in a cockpit at 15,000 alone for four hours, sailing, designing. But my software is in use all over the world, and I personally marched into 95% of those offices to command the process.

      Very senior, good business people know immediately if they are dealing with an alpha, an alpha blowhard, a greater beta (great executor), or a sigma. They react accordingly. Each is dealt with differently. Most professional investors love, but hate, a sigma entrepreneur: he will not respond to the same manipulations that the usual subject of major capital investors.

      The world does not see the differences, as evidenced in this comment thread, and treats all CEOs as alphas or greater betas (again, the latter are the managers, consensus builders, and executors; they’re usually better than the blowhard alphas). Staff treat any athletic man with a ceo title as an alpha; customers likewise.

      However:

      Sigmas destroy worlds. (They may destroy themselves in the process, but they don’t give a shit.) They will push an idea beyond its reasonable expression, if they wish. Jobs was sigma. We see, in the crumbling Apple world now, his relevance. Ballmer a blowhard alpha. MS will improve on his departure.

      As well, and more to the point of people who measure men by the number of women they fuck, a faux-alpha will have to turn off the faucet of available pussy from time to time to prevent going insane. The reason is that the faux-alpha/sigma looks for all the world like Gregory Peck, but creates and lives within his own world like Jackson Pollack. No alpha *ever* reinvents painting while running the forex desk at Goldman. In our Cinderella-driven female culture, however, Prince Charming dashes off sonnets in between meetings with the hedge fund guys.

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      • Very good reply,

        this one hits me the most:
        “Most professional investors love, but hate, a sigma entrepreneur: he will not respond to the same manipulations that the usual subject of major capital investors.”

        & I agree with this as I experience this on the daily bases

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      • Nice tie-in with C level experiences in the real world.

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    • Cool story, for me, what I’ve seen and it is the Sigma’s danger is physically Alpha and Sigma have very few differences.

      Difference is Alpha is DTF whomever, Sigma’s intellect will either make panties wet, or make her feel stupid.

      THAT is the main issue with Sigma’s, consider Sigma as evolved intellects, care must be taken or that towering intellect won’t default to Beta, it devolves to Omega weirdness and escapism.

      This is where I think CH misses it about renegade Alpha’s, Sigmas are more or less outcasts to social norms,

      We simply do not give a fuck b/c in our heads we’ve already been there

      Sigma’s motto would be “..eyes wide open..”

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    • I always have it out with alphas in this way. Many times it gets to an extreme. I have to keep making them respect me, then it gets to the point where he crosses me and I have to either do something extreme back or just let him fuck me over.

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    • Big up dude this is what we live 4 love 4

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    • I simply said “no”, without explaining myself. I wasn’t trying to challenge him, I simply couldn’t see without them.

      Dude… you had a valid reason for wearing the glasses, so he could simply go eff himself. Good job.

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  43. I eat burritos and sushi because I am a freaking viking warrior.

    If you don’t actually want a relationship because you are so mysterious, aloof, and transient (see, broke),
    if you prefer the company of a long line of women signing up to destroy themselves as they have seen on TV,
    If your guest book is filled with names of unfulfilled women you have filled when Daddy was away.

    Well obviously, you are my champion.

    Get on your vintage hog and take my bitch with you, you cad.

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  44. I want to be an omicron. Mostly because that greek letter is uncharted territory.

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    • Good point. So many game concepts, so little correlation with the Greek alphabet.

      I have come up with a taxonomy to address these shocking gaps in our sociological classification. I call it the King Nomenclature.

      Alpha — leader
      Beta — follower
      Gamma — game expert
      Delta — tranny
      Lambda — homo
      Sigma — chomo (standard deviant)
      Eta — feminist
      Zeta — male feminist (manboob, mangina)
      Theta — hot chick
      Upsilon — boner test SUCCESS
      Epsilon — boner test FAIL
      Iota — small dude
      Kappa — negro
      Mu — fat chick
      Nu — game rookie
      Xi — wall victim (cougar)
      Omicron — short man
      Pi — cunnilinguist
      Rho — cockblocker
      Tau — NAM (mud-blood)
      Phi — MENSA member
      Chi — gook
      Psi — lisping herb (SWPL/NPR set)
      Omega — outcast (misfit)

      The sooner you naifs adopt it, the sooner you will achieve my level of wisdom.

      Matt

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  45. on October 19, 2013 at 1:03 pm FuriousFerret

    I think it’s funny how every guy in here after reading the article is like “THAT’S ME!!!!! I’m a sigma. Let me tell you about all the cool Fonzie eccentricities that I possess”.

    Listen fellas, the reason men here are identifying with this label is that the vast majority of us are intellectual nerds. Men with high IQ usually have various off the beaten path interests and usually aren’t the best at leading other men because they usually don’t like normal guys because they annoy them. It’s hard to be the traditional alpha when you don’t really enjoy the company of people that you think are boring and dumb. This isn’t a compliment either, it’s a social flaw. Why do you think that Mensa is alternatively called ‘A support group for the gifted’?

    Do you really think that a natural alpha gives two fucks on how to seduce women? He already knows how to do it. Naftali from the Nat Geo video wouldn’t be caught dead watching RSD videos because he’s been a poon slayer since he was a teenager and even having to brush up on women is displaying the weakness of he doesn’t know how.

    I also think that ‘Sigma Male’ is the moniker that most of the guys that get into Game want. The fact is that nerds don’t exactly hate being nerds it’s just that they wish the rest of the world exalted their qualities. However the world doesn’t care about intelligence when it provides no application for social dominance.

    What that being said. The most advantageous in terms of tangible rewards is most certainly the greater alpha. Having admiration and respect of other men along with getting the hottest girls panties wet is the absolute best position to be in. It’s just that majority of CH readers don’t want this or can’t have it so they downplay it as not being that special but it’s bullshit. It’s just like guys saying that Chris Hemsworth physique in Thor isn’t what women want, they like lean skinny guys. Yeah right, women might like otter mode bodies but with all else being equal they desire Hemsworth’s.

    So basically why not shoot for it all? Be as alpha as you can be. Just because you think you don’t want to be a leader of men doesn’t really mean you wouldn’t want it. Plus it’s much better in terms of rewards. Even if you are a natural sigma type, why not push yourself to achieve more. It’s just like the infamous ‘introvert’ thing. No you are not a super introvert, it just so happens that introvert corresponds with submissive beta male that was rejected from cool society, so you accepted your slave name.

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    • Hey dude relax. Self hatred ain’t no way to be happy. Yes your points are valid, but they drip with self-contempt. No I don’t mind you pointing out my flaws. But it sounds like you trying to say “game over dude”. Na, nerds trying to self-improve is the name of my game and I love it.

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    • I don’t see it as a compliment to myself in fact. It’s more of a position you get yourself into. I would much rather be the alpha male with all the connections. Most of my connections I break off when the heat gets too hot, because I don’t have the skills or sociopathy to work the situations to my advantage. This is something that I times I want to work on and at others I seem to say to myself, fuck it, it’s too damn hard to go for it. I do have a high IQ and toughness, but I can’t go for the soulkill with a natural ease. I have to be pushed into things too much.

      Why not shoot for it all? Because it’s a lot to shoot for.

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    • Do you really think that a natural alpha gives two fucks on how to seduce women? ^^^

      This. Seriously, he’s more worried about “where to burry the bodies.”

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    • Elsa walks ahead. Chris shuffles along behind carrying the baby.

      http://www.babyrazzi.com/2012/07/03/photos-chris-hemsworth-and-elsa-pataky-with-their-daughter-india/chris-hemsworth-loves-his-baby-girl-13/

      That’s the way it is in something like 9 out of 10 pictures of them. He’s all show, no go.

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    • I thought you hated long comments? What gives?

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    • “the world doesn’t care about intelligence when it provides no application for social dominance.” By George, he’s got it!!

      “If you’re so smart, why aren’t you rich?”

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  46. Well, that’s the reason you called yourself
    Citizen Renegade
    Right?

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  47. Best one yet dude. Describes nowadays on the $$.

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  48. […] Very loosely, the Renegade Alpha is a seducer of women first, and a leader of men second, if at all.… […]

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  49. Pretty much describes me there.

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  50. Re. Gypsies kidnapping a blonde girl tweet — that girl’s face plainly says:

    Diversity + Enforced Tolerance = Hell for Us

    (MRAs saw that photo and said that we are a “goddess cult” for noticing.)

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    • The girl’s discovery will likely prompt speculation she may have been abducted or trafficked — which, if proven, could serve to fuel prejudice against the Roma community within Greece and elsewhere.

      Imagine that… abducting/trafficking in little Aryan girls COULD SERVE to FUEL PREJUDICE…

      Oh, the humanity!

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      • Before you get all happy with that, consider that even if her mother sold her, they will find a way to blame this on men in general.

        At least until western men recover their balls, you should all probably put your ethnic differences aside. It’s not as if Europeans never exploit other women. Exploitation is just something humans do when they can, to people of the same or of different ethnicities when the situation allows for it.

        Right now, you’re being goaded to be okay with giving up your right to a private transaction between yourself and a woman (or man) for sex in exchange for financial compensation. They take the most extreme cases to make you all look pathologically perverse. Meanwhile, the paedocrites have servants working at such low wages that they can’t afford one parent to stay home with their children, and don’t want those children raised alongside their own, which puts them at higher risk of real pedophiles, kidnappers, and definitely sexuality scarring “education”.

        Be careful of what you allow to move you and where you allow it to take you.

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      • My comment was more an ironic take on the MSM spin-language.

        Of course, leave it to you to come up with some negro-babble looking at the world through the usual shitskin-colored glasses.

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      • I doubt you would be able to recognize irony.

        If you could, you wouldn’t have answered.

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      • Riiiiight… that squid ink of yours so’ nuff was ironic. :rolleyes

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      • Somehow I just knew that you or thwack would come up with the “mother sold her” angle… the only thing that doesn’t surprise me is the MSM getting around to suggesting it… yet.

        Bugger off, nigger.

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      • Make me, idiot.

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      • Great comeback there, Hattie… you know damn well if you were within arm’s reach I’d be making you do a lot of things… and you’d be loving it.

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      • keep me out of this you anonymous fairy.

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      • You made your bed with the anti-white ink crowd… you gotta lie in it.

        Remember that the next time you rehash the moon-landing-was-fake folderol.

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      • Remember that the next time you rehash the moon-landing-was-fake folderol.
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        For the record, I don’t say the moon landing was fake; I say the historical record as presented by NASA is INACCURATE.

        Remember the “DC sniper?”

        we were all on the lookout for a white man in a white van,

        remember?

        If they had killed a white man, gulf war vet, divorced, “angry with big government…” with a white van, most people would have accepted it.

        USA! USA!

        we got da eebil white man…

        People are stupid and easily tricked, mislead and fooled.

        “Ni66ers; they aren’t just whats for breakfast!”

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      • Squid ink again… more than one person has called you out on your moon-landing-hoax bullshit… today’s the first I hear you deny it.

        And as far as the DC sniper goes, an initial report about a white man in a van was quickly dismissed and the true darky culprits were all over the news.

        You’re slipping, thwackie old boy… your bobbin’ ‘n weavin’ ‘n shuckin’ ‘n jivin’ usually evince far greater mobility and elan.

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      • Anonypeen, why are you hiding when you could have a manly name like Subway Masturbator?

        Lack of competition today makes yours the only inbred Kentuckee racist post, and I reluctantly award you the Mustache Boy Masturbator award including damp washcloth.

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      • Lack of competition on this end of the spectrum, perhaps… but your circle jerk klatsch is out in force, I see.

        Heh… even the strange bedfellows who often call out your ilk, but join forces whenever the word nigger is heard.

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      • “Anonypeen, why are you hiding when you could have a manly name like Subway Masturbator? “

        Because he’s not a man. He is gregi. gregi is an impotent Jew jealous fucker. Jew Jealous fuckers are peen impotent per se.

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      • You know, if you keep repeating that Cathedral shaming litany long enough, others not already firmly ensconced in your camp just might start believing it.

        llozozozllzozozlzlzozozlzlzlzozozlz

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      • You already come off as inferiority complex city USA. That’s why you are rattling like a snake quoting meaningless verse. There isn’t a septic tank in the world that could hold your stench.

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      • You love picking up on my phrases, don’t you? Ever since I mentioned your foetor judaicus and the stink of your hypocrisy, you’ve don’t nothing but talk of stench.

        Bubeleh, that’s your own breath, backfiring on ya!

        lllozozlzlzozozlzlzozozlzlzl

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      • Don’t flatter yourself. I don’t member most of your drivel. Usually, I just hurl at you what seems most appropriate to describe your revolting personality, which each day reveals itself more and more in all of its dull colors.

        Today, for example, I noticed that you hang around the septic-swamp areas of each thread, where the stench makes one sick. I just had to mention it, stinky 😆

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    • Going back as far as the 1970’s, European papers such as the German Bild Zeitung have delighted in running huge headline stories about northern European girls being abducted, enslaved, trafficked, et. al. in astonishing numbers. To the point where it’s kind of surprising there are any of them left in Europe…..
      With the possible exception of the chess column, newspaper articles or TV reports (now also internet rumors) are often largely fairy tales spun around a minuscule kernel of truth.

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      • European papers such as the German Bild Zeitung have delighted in running huge headline stories about northern European girls being abducted, enslaved, trafficked, et
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        maybe they are tapping into a deeper cultural meme as a way to make young girls afraid so they will behave and listen to their elders?

        the ‘bogey man?’

        hansel and Gretel…

        Unfortunatly, girls are often turned on by fear; so it sometimes backfires into them fantasizing about being captured by ‘natives’, tied up and cooked in a big pot of boiling water or abducted by a giant gorilla…

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      • Yes, but note how the original depiction of abduction by said giant gorilla invoked true fear and dread… when the West was still arguably in the hands of the founding stock.

        Since then, all the remakes have the blonde going ga-ga (pun intended) over the big ape… hmmmmm… no meme left unturned by the men behind the curtains, eh?

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  51. The Doors

    Jim Morrison (vocals) – “Sigma”
    Ray Manzarek (keyboards, manager) – Alpha
    Robbie Krieger (guitar) – Greater Beta
    John Densmore (drums) – Lesser Beta

    Pink Floyd

    Roger Waters (songwriter, vocals) – “Sigma” – aged badly
    David Gilmous (guitar, composer) – Alpha – aged well
    Richard Wright (keyboards) – Greater Beta
    Nick Mason (drums) – Lesser Beta

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  52. This CH entry is an excellent, compressed summary of the heart of modern game-theory I half way suspect that the timing of its arrival was meant to greet the expected flood of views from the 20/20 program. Be that as it may, it is just lame to get all nit-picky over what are actually foundation blocks of gender-realism..

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  53. The only Greek letter that matters to me is omega; “big o”.

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  54. I think it’s less about introversion/extroversion. I’m going to go with context on this one.

    Alphas are more established with resources and social connections.
    Sigmas are more like wandering alphas, alpha nomads or alpha drifters.

    I’m sure there are occasions in history where a Sigma has usurped an established alpha, taken over his group and become an Alpha.

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  55. on October 19, 2013 at 10:18 pm Eliezer Ben-Yehuda

    hey. how much time before the jezebels and the HUS’s start describing this or that WOMAN as “a sigma”?

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  56. on October 20, 2013 at 1:29 am gunslingergregi

    achieved celebrity status at the club today
    took the exchick there she been chillin at house for 6 days or so being a good girl so I took her out as reward
    people were videoin with cellphones multiple like paparazzi and shit
    shaking my hand patting me on back
    bitches talking to my chick in bathroom you two the hottest couple in here you guys are so hot is that his name on your neck
    chick yea
    ground on my dick for 4 hours or so dam
    said happiest she ever been
    she was fun tossin her ass around and in air again watching other chicks faces light up been a while
    he he he

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  57. Great post. Years ago I labelled myself a ‘Byronic alpha’, because he was once described as “a man proud, moody, cynical, with defiance on his brow, and misery in his heart, a scorner of his kind, implacable in revenge, yet capable of deep and strong affection.”

    I’m introverted and only go out into society when my need for poon outweighs my social lethargy. Ergo I’ll never get the score that more extroverted pussy hounds rack up. Ever. But played right, being seen as above and beyond the social dynamic, swooping in and shaking things up like the dinner party yesterday, pays lovely pink dividends. Women love rebels– I call it the James Dean complex.

    Simply put: I’m not your leader, I’m not your follower. Call me an alpha, a beta , or a zeta, I don’t care. I do my own thing.

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  58. The very Next label: a ” pi / π / Π – man ” =

    1. Alfa – 3.14
    2. Beta + 3.14
    3. Gamma + 2 x 3.14
    ….
    ..
    .

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  59. Would sigmas even bother about what greek letter is bestowed upon them?

    They ain’t even mad.

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  60. Mgtow = Sigma male

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  61. What about the traditional alpha route being “not so attractive”. Sure being an organic social charmer gets you poon. Being a renegade you focus exclusivly on it. like a sniper.
    Hence I theorize more “alphas” moving to renegade rather that traditional.
    That makes most people with material success announced “Beta”. ex. Managers , CEOs and ahem Bill gates.
    The real alpha are just hitting poon while doing dayshifts in cubicle farms.

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  62. OT: Asians are the ultimate beta males (or just omega?)

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    • East Asians have aleays been rough with their women. The twinkledick androgynous behaviour is a break with their wife beating tradition.

      What did USA dump in Asian water supplies after ‘Nam?

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  63. Theres a lot of talk about sigmas and alphas here and what it is to be a sigma. But. Sigmas and alphas have something in common.

    They just have to get what they want.

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  64. […] We may be entering an era when the romantic fortunes of the Renegade Alpha reach a zenith.  […]

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  65. Sounds like your Sigma male is a lone wolf:

    Leader = Alpha
    Subordinate = Beta
    Loner (neither leader nor subordinate) = Sigma

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  66. I would locate most Sigma attributes within the Jungian Trickster archetype.

    FMI:

    http://faculty.gvsu.edu/websterm/Tricksters.htm

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  67. In after everyone assumes they are Sigma.

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  68. Nirvana

    – Kurt Cobain (vocals, guitar) – “Sigma”
    – Dave Grohl (drums) – Alpha
    – Krist Novoselic (bass) – Beta

    In these examples of rock “sigmas” and alphas (See my earlier comment on Pink Floyd and The Doors) , there is a pattern of sigma flaming out and alphas getting stronger with age.

    Sigmas:
    Roger Waters (aged like shit)
    Jim Morrison (died young)
    Kurt Cobain (suicide)
    also, John Lennon (shot, but fits the pattern)

    Alphas
    David Gilmour (aged like a lion)
    Ray Manzarek (lived long)
    Dave Grohl (huge success post -Nirvana)

    With sigmas / byronic, tormented geniuses, there is an arc of brilliance and flaming out. This is ultimately suggestive of a structural weakness supporting their awesomeness. In those specific cases, anyway.

    The traditional alpha got a ton of disparagement in these comments. Sour grapes?

    But the alpha is like a king, not a flameout (though often a brilliant one).

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  69. Good article. But where does this leave men like Issac Newton in the scale of worth? Some say he died a virgin.

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  70. Thank you, heartiste for your esteemed analysis of this darker than Alpha persona that is of the Sigma Male.

    I am the writer behind the blog Rise of Sigma. The link I put below subject to your approval.

    I started my indoctrination studies of “game” in the west (residing outside now) and it slowly morphed to the the focus of the development of the warrior Sigma.
    One could say that my ego identified with the SIgma but I rather think that the Sigma spirit chose me. Other men may find themselves with an affinity which lies outside the spectrum of the types males represented by the Alpha and Beta dichotomy.

    The Sigma lies in the fringes and starts his own kingdom. He is one step into becoming an Alpha but has yet to take this step. The time of renegade and rebellion, although temporary, is where the Sigma lies. This way the Sigma could be a transitory point in a man’s life as he sorts out his business and evaluates the values that lay before him. It is not the thing of itself, but rather the movement. It is the idea of sine not the example of the circle.
    .
    What strikes me most is the analysis of lack of social capital that Sigma might have. I like to refer to many African-American males as Sigma males as they belong to a society that weighs in on their options and movements in the dating market. It also gives them depth into darkness, and ruthlessness, and animal instinct. The most Alpha soon learn to develop an darker inner guidance system to seek their own Alphahood, which is nothing more than going Sigma.

    The dark feminine is what is most attracted to the Sigma. It is the female’s basic instinct much baser than what is allowable in the parameters in society. They see a renegade, not sulking defeated beta, but an outcast that is strong and confident and full of masculine life force. The Sigma, many are INTJs (masterminds) are knowledge of game/pop-psyhology that he learns to hunt without the social capital or social markers that hint at his masculine relative value. It is seducing like Casanova not like Genghis.

    Lastly, the fringes.

    “He thrives in formerly stable cultures that are experiencing paradigm shifts which shake up the old rules and create disincentives to social cooperation. Confusion, ennui, distrust, discord, fear and uncertainty — these are the conditions that craft his playground of poon. ”

    He thrives in shocks. Sigma shocks. He upsets the social order by proposing newly developed paradigms that creates new evolutionary pathways. A sigma can only do this once he gives up on being Alpha and chooses to go on his own way.

    scienceofmack.blogspot.com

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  71. CH, thanks for this much wanted post about the “Sigma Male” AKA “Renegade Alpha”.

    I know you have your own system but I think a good ol’ “analysis” on the BROADER socio-sexual hierarchy at play in society would be good in future posts. In terms of sexual attraction, dominance and behavior there is a “Alpha/beta” dichotomy divide along the socio-sexual hierarchy; however it’s not always the “big picture” of who scores and who doesn’t.

    Thanks for this piece and I’ll be lurking around every now and then. Take care and make sure you’re saved. God exists. Everyone is a sinner. The punishment of sin is death and eternal hellfire. Good news is: God’s only begotten son, Jesus Christ died on the Cross, shed His BLOOD for our sakes so we might be forgiven by God the Father of our sins if we acknowledge our guilt as sinners and put our FAITH in Christ to forgive of our sins. The result is you are “born again” (in spirit) with the Holy Spirit dwelling within you and you are saved right at the moment.

    You don’t have to give up the world, a sinful lifestyle or anything “bad” you do. Just see: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/how_to_be_saved.html

    If you are born again you do in a way have a “license to sin” b/c your transgressions are washed away by the Holy Blood of Lord Jesus Christ. Your sins won’t count against you if you are saved and born again but if you die and end up in Hell, they do. See: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/license_to_sin.htm

    I frequent your site a lot, almost every day though don’t comment much or at all and while I don’t accept a lot of the more “moral/ethical” parts of your game blog. I know you are an expert of your craft and quite experienced and know what you’re talking about. I can’t accept the game, “player” lifestyle philosophy of the Game community (usually puas not true Gamers) which encourages the sins of FORNICATION, SEXUAL IMMORALITY, ADULTERY (sexually-cheating on married men with wives) and such.

    Regardless, I hope things continue to work out well for you and looking forward to some more “interesting” reads.

    P.S. When reading a bible ONLY read the King James Holy Bible. ALL others ARE corrupt, false, agendacized, New age crap, and abominable and a trick of the Devil, SATAN. If there ever was a case where burning a “bible” is acceptable you would do right to burn the perverted NIV (Satan’s “Christian” book: New Internal Version), the NKJV (New King James Version), the ESV (English Standard Version), the NRS (New Revised Standard Version), the NC (New Century Version), the NAS (New American Standard), the RS (Revised Standard Version) and the LB (The Living Bible) and MANY MORE false bibles straight out of the pits of Hell. Summarized: Only KEEP & READ THE KJV Holy Bible. Everything else can be thrown in the trash or recycled.

    Good post.

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  72. It’s all relative. In any group, someone is alpha, someone is beta. Vox’s sigma is merely an anti-social alpha. Consider a man with a high enough IQ that most people fail to stimulate him intellectually. If this man is physically impressive enough, he will attract women without trying. I imagine Vox invented this term to describe himself.

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