More Ellipsis Game

You can find ellipsis game theory here, and a successful application of the theory here. Another reader has sent in his test run of ellipsis game, and I think you’ll find it quite entertaining.

Solid, thick, tight intro. Expected butthurt response (can work with this). Swole reframe (do you even fuck?). I wanna see how taunting your lols can get. “Prolly not”? Her vagina moved. Now the ass-to-grass squat blast “…”. BOOM. “Get me drunk ans then maybe”. That’s not fat, that’s a powerslut.

Fuckin’ beeyootifool. Brings a tear to me eye. For you sir, I have only one thing to say,





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  1. THESE are the girls you wish to game?

    Feh.

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    • This isn’t game. Girls like that are beyond what I’ve ever known in any sub-culture I’ve been in. You’re advising on how to joke about being hard to get when a girl is asking you to fuck?

      We need to get back to how to treat women who are flaking or how to treat women who say they want you to buy them dinner and give them presents, normal women. If they’re just behaving like guys because they live in an ultra-feminist sub-culture, young men (under 27) won’t have to waste any time here.

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    • gotta pork sumthin

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      • Yeah, well, in that light… but, uh….however…

        Aw, hell, I gots nuthin’.

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      • Goddamnit could we please pork these bitches and put some buns in their God-damned ovens?

        Pretty please with some God-damned sugar on top?

        Bitches… Porking… [nine… month… ellipsis… pause…]… Live Birth FTW!!!

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    • Shh. Not so loud. You’re giving up the PUA secret.

      When I point out that most of the typical game shtickery is designed for self-selected crowds of drunk, half-horizontal, no-class ghetto-rat/Jerry-Springer-white-trash women nïggerized by their upbringing and the culture into the lowest difficulty setting, I am called a game hater.

      The gamesters’ foundational assumption is that, deep down, AWALT, every girl is a secret slut already primed and waiting for the right PUA dick. This is a fine noble lie in the beginning, to artificially boost one’s confidence, and there is some truth to it. But they don’t ever seriously advance past that assumption.

      They have “HB10” scales fine tuned down to the hundredth-of-a-decimal. But the slut factor is barely even considered binary (slut or chaste, but chaste are really just hidden sluts).

      See, game is applicable to every type of girl, but it isn’t a simple matter of extrapolating confidence tricks out of the club and into the daylight. Modesty, chastity, integrity — the core of femininity itself — cannot be simply classified as different degrees of “anti-slut.” It isn’t a flimsy “shield” or countermeasure used in a panic to throw excitable leg-humpers off their game. It is a solid part of a well-adjusted girl’s identity. (And we should be encouraging the well-adjusted ones if we care about civilization.)

      There is an inverse relationship between Slut Factor and pick-up skill needed. If you are getting laid through punctuation, she might just be a SF10. And interesting as the travails of dumb sloots can be, we aren’t learning much about SF1-5 when the examples require very little pick-up effort. Especially because a woman with options (HB7-10) has the luxury of refraining from inveterate trollopism. In other words, just like Game Skill Required, the level of a woman’s sexual value has an inverse relationship to the slut factor.

      Feminine Value ↑↑ Game Skill required
      Slut Factor ↑↓ Game Skill necessary
      Feminine Value ↓↑ Slut Factor compensation

      Matt

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      • “All things in moderation” isn’t just a classic proverb, it is beginning to describe this site’s comment section.

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      • Droll.

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      • ?
        MK be amoging?.?

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      • MK be frustrated with his absentee publisher.

        We had such a good thing going here. Who wants to do the incessantly tedious maintenance work of running your own site? Because if you’re going to do it, you have to do it right.

        Until this weekend, I never had posts swallowed up into oblivion. They might appear 48-hours later, after everyone has moved on, but they never were simply disappeared like some South American junta dissident.

        Alas, pearls before swine was always the deal here. Le sigh.

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      • Mostly pearls by swine, I’d say.

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      • Until this weekend, I never had posts swallowed up into oblivion.
        —————————————————————————————–

        Do you have any black in you?

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  2. I feel like I’m being rused, is CH making a stab at his own ‘ellipses game’ idea?

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  3. My ellipsis game is the silence they hear right before….

    get ready for it….

    RAPE!

    Also, Jason Sweetheart is a faggot, thwack is a worthless sub-human shitstain Obama voter (but I repeat myself), and the greatest try-hard could only muster a Jersey Shore 7 single mom.

    Happy Sunday!

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  4. these are fun but all out context.

    more entertainment than insight without context.

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  5. a young doctor from india .. was programmed by the society as a pathetic beta .. read your blog for two years everyday( and i still do) few years ago..boderline alpha now …your blog has done what million hours of counselling and therapy cant cure .. i want you to give your esteemed opinion on “no fap” and its benifits to the Game.

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    • “No fap” benefits are that you control yourself. Having the confidence that you control yourself is attractive to women. Also, if you are having trouble going for the kill, the increased testosterone from not masturbating and the need for sex will put an impetus behind your actions.

      The downside is that impetus can make you seem needy and not in control if you’re too desperate. Also, every stupid challenge and system you create for yourself puts something fake and fiddly between you and the real world.

      If you don’t want to masturbate anymore, instead of taking a “no fap” challenge created by someone else, just decide all of your semen is landing on or in women from now on and don’t give the matter another thought.

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      • We’ve discussed this recently, and I maintain that to be a great lover, you need to give the little fella plenty of exercise on a regular basis.

        I don’t know that you can allow him to live the sedentary lifestyle for months at a time and then suddenly expect him to be able to rise to the occasion and have the endurance to make it through an hours-long lovemaking session with a woman.

        The little fella needs to train for that shit.

        Didn’t you guys see “Chariots of Fire”, or any of the “Rocky” movies?

        Practice makes perfect.

        Of course, the flip side would be that a true sociopath probably doesn’t give a damn whether or not his women actually achieve orgasm [much less multiple orgasms].

        But I’ll always believe that to be a truly great lover – a master of the ART of Pick-Up ARTistry – you need to be not only an Alpha, but also a love-making-ARTist.

        The kinda guy that an old woman will be lying on her deathbed, reminiscing about, going back in her memories to 50 or 60 years before, and thinking to herself, just before she passes away, “That Son-of-a-Bitch fucked my ever-loving brains out, and it was the most fun I ever had in my entire life.”

        The End.

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      • If we’re talking months that’s pretty different. I’m assuming the guy is out getting a regular stream of action. Endurance is a mental game.

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    • on November 18, 2013 at 11:18 am haunted trilobite

      ‘your blog has done what million hours of counselling and therapy cant cure’ Language obstacles aside, brilliant.

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  6. super pimp gaming 9’s? eeeeh. you know the girl is a whale.

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  7. on November 17, 2013 at 11:39 am young sloot master brah

    i lol at all these wk betas saying she’s a whale or not worth game. young, cute, even hot girls these days are so down for a quick bang, it aint even funny.

    if your marginally attractive and tall, you could be pulling massive sloots that are at the very least, cute. even if you lack in looks or height you could still do it but it will be a lot harder to get the ball rolling initially. now if you lack game you won’t keep her from banging other guys, but eh, who cares when you already got the bang?

    plus a lot of girls are starting to think this way. they get banged out by alphas and say, “fuark men! i’m going to start banging away until i find the right one!!”

    lol at these sloots. we are living in interesting times, #realtalk.

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    • either that or the group crowding on the marginally attractive tall dude solely based on those factors self-selects for slut. Seems correct, considering that higher T chicks place much higher value on physical traits and have less qualms about giving away the farm.

      there are all different types of girls. it’s weird how the ‘party girl’ archetype is just superimposed onto all women now. all women are dirty sluts with the right guy, but that doesn’t men that the right guy is common. There are not many men who have tight game. Men who are good-looking, without more, simply do not trigger the same attraction.

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    • i lol at all these wk betas saying she’s a whale or not worth game. young, cute, even hot girls these days are so down for a quick bang, it aint even funny.

      I’ve seen some of the walking Petrie dishes considered “hot” nowadays…

      Mark my words, kid… some of these virulent STDs are gifts that keep on giving, and no lol laughing matter.

      If a girl that you haven’t even taken out yet falls for any of this “let’s fuck!” bullshit right out of the gate, run the other way.

      Of course, I’m talking white here… maybe I presume too much.

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  8. This chick texts like a man — gross.

    And, after my experiences with these day 2’s (all 6-7’s to be sure), plus the longer term 6, and the 7.5 (srsly pretty hot)….I’ve come to the conclusion that “this” type of girl is probably one I want nothing to do with.

    We already know how I feel about ellipsis “game,” tho.

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  9. Thick, solid, tight…swole…ass to ground squats…MISC all up in the Chateau! Heartiste, I’ve had a crush on you for years…

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  10. on November 17, 2013 at 12:17 pm Lucky White Male

    CH, amazing on this ellipsis game

    It really drives home how big “Revving up the Hamster” is with seducing girls and getting them aroused

    I think it was Rollo Tomassi who first drove home for me the idea that: THE key if you want to fuck a girl is to get that girl’s Hamster going

    There are several roads to this: one is Ellipsis game. Others include the general idea of Ambiguity. The Alpha who is not the bleeding heart on the sleeve, not coming right out with his intentions. Which comes from genuine abundance, true Indifference. The high value man with an actual rotation is the man who would be writing “….” in a text.

    Vox has talked about the peculiar phenomenon of “Detachment. ” That, the projection and communication of “Detachment” from a man to a girl IS itself a DHV.

    The peculiar phenomenon of , the moment a Man seems to lose his sense of Detachment in a girl’s eyes, she will suddenly, inexplicably, lose a lot of attraction for him and urge to fuck.

    “…” underscores the importance of never answering questions a girl gives too directly, maintaining the Alpha aloofness, projecting in all ways you are genuinely ‘on the fence’ with her, and you don’t fucking know yourself whether you really want to fuck her, where you want to fuck her, or if you instead never want to talk to her again

    Get the hamster spinning. Rollo Tomassi: ” THE greatest aid in getting you to fuck a girl IS getting HER OWN IMAGINATION going.”

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    • This is it – least in my relationships.

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    • lol you get her hamster going by demonstrating value. When you already have value, then using ‘..’ and terse replies and whatever is cool, because she values your opinions, thoughts, esp with regard to her and she’ll want to know what you’re thinking.

      If you haven’t DHV’d, this stuff means nothing. “Detachment” can be considered to be a DHV, but if so…it’s a DHV contingent on already being higher value.

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      • on November 17, 2013 at 5:17 pm Life at Calhoun's Lake

        No need to build value when your entire persona oozes it. Faking it’s a great substitute if your behind the eight ball and need to play catch up.

        But for the young twenty some dudes: figure your shit out now and you’ll be rewarded tenfold down the line. Take pussy when it comes but it shouldnt be a priority. For now. Before people jump on me for encouraging the younger ones to sell their sole to the corporate rat race, halt your squeals. Men need to find their passion. Chase their passion. Become the best. Do that and the women will follow; no need for studying psychological ruses on establishing value (assuming your passion is actually, you know, valuable – ghey activists and basement dwelling serial-gamers need not apply).

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      • ‘No need to build value when your entire persona oozes it. Faking it’s a great substitute if your behind the eight ball and need to play catch up.’

        Ya….most ppl obv are on this blog cause they have a persona that oozes value, wtf lol.

        And what you described still misses the mark. Chasing your passion is good — but you’re encouraging this ‘become the best.’ You’re still wanting to tie it to an external accomplishment. This is ‘greater beta’ territory…at best.

        The main and only important core DHV is the inner confidence. The jokes, the conversation skills, are all just designed to get her attention so that you can demonstrate how unflustered and confident you are.

        If you want to ‘build a life’ with someone, then ya….those external accomplishments and evidence matter more.

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      • Another issue is that your passion may be involved with something very complex, say creating a blueprint for a house that is off the grid. An excellent and laudable goal if you talk with other men. Women…. snoooooore. Women don’t think like men or understand value in things connected with building civilization. They home in on whether it gets you money and/or status. Period. Work on your passions for your own satisfaction and sense of self. That is what will build your inner game in the end.

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    • on November 17, 2013 at 7:58 pm stevie tellatruth

      In short:

      get the girl’s mind, and her booty will follow

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    • I was the original poster of ellipsis game, I take some pride in introducing this game concept which I use regularly.

      Another one that has worked for me after testing it is the phrase:

      “Tell me something…”

      I use this both in gaming girls face to face: I lean back and with amused mastery fill a silence with “Tell me something…”

      Or in text.

      In a variety of situations it either results in the girl telling me some inane detail: “I’m going on holiday next week…”

      Or they get into some intimate detail.

      But regardless of what they say, it always allows me to determine what’s important. I can follow, I can reframe, I can tease.

      It’s also dominant but not overly so…It shows interest without neediness.

      You can use it like this:

      You: “Tell me something…”

      Her: What?

      You: Anything…

      Her: I’m going on holiday next week…

      You: oh where? etc etc plough on

      Or

      Tell me something….

      Her: I had a fight with my boss at work

      You: Tell me what inspires you/what’s in your heart….etc

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  11. The tao of Steve

    1. Be desire less.
    2. Demonstrate excellence
    3.

    I don’t remember the third one. Anybody?

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    • on November 17, 2013 at 12:52 pm the latent sadist

      be desireless, be excleenet….be gone.

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    • on November 17, 2013 at 12:59 pm the latent sadist

      a really good film by the way, although i’ve watched it again since absorbing years of manosphere stuff and it just seems like childs play in terms of the concepts explained. Still, the way the main guy (steve? cant remember, i know its an alias that they all go by…as in steve mcqueen, etc etc) lives his life and the way he explains things are all straight on the money and translate into real life. it does a good job of contrasting a needy beta character with an aloof alpha character.

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      • I have observed that following simple models and applying them is far more beneficial than learning the more complicated models right up front.

        But I agree, the movie was genuinely awesome.

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      • The movie Species is also pretty good too. I drew a lot of connections from that to game.

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    • Good rules — 1. Desireless = “The Attitude.” 2. Demonstrate excellence = DHV. 3. Be gone = If you lose either 1 or 2, just leave the interaction lol

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    • on November 18, 2013 at 8:38 am ain't nuttin but a gansta partayyy

      profit!

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  12. on November 17, 2013 at 12:36 pm Lucky White Male

    Nyborg: The Decay of Western Civilization: Double Relaxed Darwinian Selection. sciencedirect.com/science/articl… #DangerousIdeas
    11:47am – 17 Nov 13

    In other words- this is how you conquer an enemy from within, indirectly

    Your enemy either 1) Submits. You win

    Or 2) Your enemy engages in Civil Resistance

    You then, if #2, have Carte Blanche to unleash Internment Camps ( concentration camps? Semantics)

    Hence, we see why the military has been preparing for the peculiar eventuality of “domestic battle”, and why the NSA is engaged in the peculiar pastime of spying on its own citizens, wanting to “know everything”, in case there is a need for “kangaroo courts”

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  13. Very solid. Could improve it:

    Original: Wanna Fuck? hahahaha
    Better: WAnna Fuck?

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  14. Not very good actually. This beta us clearly hiding his many words above the screen shot.

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  15. Okay, I admit I’m old school and haven’t kept up on the latest…

    But when did “hahahahaha” become alpha?

    “lzozozlzlzozozlzlzol”, this I can see…

    But “hahahahaha”? Especially after “wanna fuck?”

    What’s this “wanna” bullshit (for an alpha, that is)?

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    • Agreed…

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    • Also, using 4-letter words, like “fuck”, in a conversation with a chick, is some seriously downscale downmarket other-side-of-the-tracks gutter talk.

      There are much more romantic [and much more cleverer and mischievous] ways of saying the same thing, which will help you score cred with the elitist chicks from the best families.

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      • Everybody has different tastes, ZS. I wouldn’t give a bucket of fish heads for one of your elitist chicks from the best families.

        Reminds me of a recent conversation. I ran into a coworker I hadn’t seen in months, and he described a girl I know. “She was rough, with bad teeth, and she smoked like a freight train.” I see the same girl as a rare find with a special kind of redneck hippie vibe that punches all my attraction buttons into overdrive.

        I actually balked at hitting on that chick because I wanted it too much, and I froze. Yet that same girl is a totally worthless skank to my friend. It’s amazing how different eyes can see the same exact thing.

        The down side of that story is I was so deer caught in headlights over that chick that I fucked up and wrecked my truck. The up side is I earned a new nickname that’s working out pretty well. I tell the girl about wrecking my truck, look her dead in the eye, and tell her my new nickname: The Pole. Her eyes flit down to my cock 100% of the time. I’m getting a real reputation at work as The Pole, and people are constantly giving me shit about all the girls who are talking about me. Smirk.

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      • Smoking is a deal-breaker for me… I don’t care if she’s the second coming of Marilyn.

        On a lighter note, ever since I made a decent showing at the Highland Games, they call me “The Caber”.

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      • The Caber is an awesome nick, though I’m guessing most kids who never had to wear a skirt on Heritage Day don’t know what a caber is. (I still have that damn kilt somewhere.)

        Guys who won’t touch a smoker just mean less competition for the smoking girls I prefer.

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      • on November 18, 2013 at 11:38 am haunted trilobite

        a bit of ‘how’s your father? 😉

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    • Alpha is attracting and fucking the chick — however you get there is whatever. I’m not sure why the image of an alpha is this stoic dude who can never ‘lol’ or ‘jaykay’ and has the emotional range of a tumbling rock.

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      • i remember when I had my first beer.

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      • I thought we already had the high-energy vs. low-energy alpha discussions. While both are Alphas, even high-energy alphas wouldn’t ‘ask’ to fuck or try and soften the question with “hahahahahaha”. They would still assume the sale “Let’s fuck.” and not be so afraid of a recoil as to try and soften it. Personally I prefer high-energy (I like being the life of the party, am an extrovert, etc) but the same aversion to sounding needy or seeking attention applies.

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      • You’re not softening it. You’re giving her plausible deniability. While we have general truths here, each girl still -is- different, and yes, adjusting to the specific situ is probably the MOST important part of game.

        Do u really not see how ‘let’s fuck’ versus ‘hahaha wanna fuck? ;)’ could be less successful in certain situations versus others?

        One is highly likely to trigger strong ASD — and because you just put it all out there, there’s no way to play with it. You can still probably get her to your place using the second, even if she says no.

        Like I said, some ppl are in this to show txts to their friends and laugh. Others are in it to actually fuck the girl — in the real world. As someone other than James Bond.

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      • If your end-goal is just to have sex, then you wouldn’t be saying ‘let’s fuck’ or ‘hahaha wanna fuck?”, perhaps you have had some sort of luck with asking girls to have sex over text, but I’ve never found any luck with that. I’ve had a girl tell me in harsh words she wouldn’t ever be fucked by me over text and I met her later that night and banged her. I do concede that if your end-goal is to get her back to your place then yours is better, but neither are any good.

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      • Okay, so we essentially agree lol. What matters in a txt is getting her to meet with you. That’s it. That’s all. If you need to ‘jaykay’ ‘hahahhaaha’ your way into her coming over to your place alone, who gives a shit?

        But ya, I typically would never do this kind of joke over text.

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      • That’s because you’re a negro.

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      • Yeah…that’s why every single person we’d call an alpha has that exact same personality, right? The archetype you suggest as the archetype is just wrong by empirical observation.

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      • Running in the muh-dik circles you do, I’m not surprised the “peacock clown” archetype is reality to you.

        However, the proverbial “strong, silent type” has been long-honored in the non-mud circles… to this day, the brooding sex appeal of a James Dean or a Steve McQueen are still referred to by the ladies.

        For that matter, even among your own ilk… no one, I think, imagines Samuel Jackson or Richard Roundtree texting “hahahahaha”.

        There’s always room for the village idiot and the class clown… but once men and women put aside childish things, a bit of gravitas is preferred amongst serious companions.

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      • ‘I’m not surprised the “peacock clown” archetype is reality to you.’

        Neat straw man. Moving on…

        ‘However, the proverbial “strong, silent type” has been long-honored in the non-mud circles… to this day, the brooding sex appeal of a James Dean or a Steve McQueen are still referred to by the ladies.’

        Frank Sinatra was scrawny, verbose, and emotionally reactive — o ya, he also fucked a ton of women. Is Jack Nicholson also strong and silent? What about Charlie Chaplin? Ya, no you’re making a great case lol. Like I said, even picked from the same celebrity group, your narrow definition is shown to be false by quick empirical observation.

        Gravitas != how much you talk. Gravitas has to do with how you express yourself and the boundaries you set. A man embracing his complete, congruent identity without fear is alpha. Trying to live up to some other image, isn’t.

        One day you’ll understand Greg. Or not. Doesn’t matter to me lol, I just hope no one takes the stuff you write to heart.

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      • on November 18, 2013 at 11:28 am Hugh G. Rection

        However, the proverbial “strong, silent type” has been long-honored in the non-mud circles… to this day, the brooding sex appeal of a James Dean or a Steve McQueen are still referred to by the ladies.

        Which of course works best if you are James Dean or Steve McQueen. Otherwise, sitting in the corner all strong and silent is coming with some serious constraints.

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      • mainly the constraint of your own hand around your dick lol

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      • Frank Sinatra was scrawny, verbose, and emotionally reactive — o ya, he also fucked a ton of women. Is Jack Nicholson also strong and silent?

        Geez, you’re dumb…

        Sinatra was a crooner, first and foremost… totally different animal. And you might want to check out some of his actual movies if you’re going to use him as an example… he played the strong, laconic type and/or the moody pensive type too often to count… Man With The Golden Arm, Von Ryan’s Express, the Tony Rome films, Ocean’s 11, The Detective, Manchurian Candidate, etc., etc., etc. His early musical films did nothing much to add to his sex symbol persona… I don’t think any gal was fapping to Nathan Detroit.

        And if you’re going to compare the sex symbol status of a James Dean or a Steve McQueen to Jack Nicholson (whose poster, I’d bet, never graced many bedroom walls), well…

        The “strong, silent” type didn’t mean the guys never spoke, you fool.

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      • Which of course works best if you are James Dean or Steve McQueen. Otherwise, sitting in the corner all strong and silent is coming with some serious constraints.

        Ach, what is it with such limited binary thinking? Or is this merely a factor of internet forums?

        A guy who gives the air of a “strong, silent” type doesn’t mean he just sits off by himself.

        It merely means he doesn’t waste words on superfluous matters or people… and when he does speak, people pretty much listen… either out of genuine interest or because they know what’s good for ’em.

        The denseness factor here at the chateau… the one place in Cyberia where savvy ought to be more rampant… is starting to get to me again.

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      • ‘Sinatra was a crooner, first and foremost… totally different animal. And you might want to check out some of his actual movies if you’re going to use him as an example’

        And? That’s not how he actually was. What does him being a crooner have to do with anything? My point was that several different personas can still be alpha. Your point is in opposition, that this one ‘strong silent’ archetype must be and is the only ‘true’ alpha.

        I show you an individual who was definitely not ‘strong, silent,’ and your best retort is to refer me to his movies? Do you not see how ridiculous that is? In the real world, this man who was in many ways the opposite of your preferred type slept with beautiful women and earned their love. I doubt it’s because of his movie persona.

        ‘(whose poster, I’d bet, never graced many bedroom walls)’

        annnd? The guy nailed some pretty smokin’ babes in his time. Is that now the test of alpha? A poster on an adolescent girl’s wall? I guess the Jonas Brothers are serious alphas in your world. wtf.

        Again, I refer you to real life and you refer me to art. You need to separate the truth from the ideal.

        ‘It merely means he doesn’t waste words on superfluous matters or people… and when he does speak, people pretty much listen… either out of genuine interest or because they know what’s good for ‘em.’

        Please indicate where I said the ‘strong, silent’ man never speaks. I didn’t say that. What i said is that this laconic dude who simultaneously commands the room’s attention when he does open his mouth is ONE identity that works successfully with a SPECIFIC type of individual. Robert Downey Jr. would not succeed with this identity. Neither would Russell Brand. They have different, equally alpha identities.

        The common thread is outcome independence and inner confidence. For all your whining about how dense others are, you sure seem overeager to ignore this central tenet of the game.

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      • Your point is in opposition, that this one ‘strong silent’ archetype must be and is the only ‘true’ alpha.

        You got all that from my mere notice that “hahahaha” seemed beta-boyish?

        And all this bushwa about it signifying “plausible deniability” rather than nervous laughter is so much tripe… indeed, as several others here have noticed, the whole concept of needing “plausible deniability” seems antithetical to any idea of devil-may-care alpha.

        Learn to think in three dimensions, if you would argue.

        Now go home and get your shoeshine box.

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      • Oh, are you walking back now from implying that this ‘gravitas,’ preferred by all people, was held only by the ‘strong, silent’ type…or admitting that strong, silent is not the only type of alpha? If so, then yes, we can agree.

        ‘indeed, as several others here have noticed, the whole concept of needing “plausible deniability” seems antithetical to any idea of devil-may-care alpha.’

        Ya. that’s why all alphas, to be alpha, should just walk up to random women (even women that, at first glance, are attracted to them), pull out their dicks, and say ‘let’s fuck.’ Fuck it bro! No deniability necessary if you’re a ‘devil-may-care alpha’ in Greg’s world.

        Like I said, whenever you try to trot out content….there just isn’t much there. You tried the movie star angle — that got shot down. Now you’re backtracking to either reveal not much disagreement at all or dishonest beginnings.

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      • Geez, there you go again, patting yourself on the back for victory objective: unmet.

        I gave examples of what regular ladies swoon over and men admire in re an actor’s image and how that pertains to “types”, and you try to compare Jack Nicholson as a sex symbol in the vein of the Deans and the McQueens? Laughable.

        Even more laughable is YOUR backpedaling in talking about guys like Nicholson and Sinatra in “the real world” because they “fucked a lot of ladies”.

        Well, DUH, thank you for bringing that to our attention… as if you know how they acted in meat world and what hahahaha things they said to achieve said “alphadom”.

        Conveniently forgetting, of course, that ANY major player in the movies is swamped by quality pussy (of the “whoring starlet” kind) 24/7 in meat world, even if he’s the biggest dweeb or hack director.

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      • Well, I’m sorry that Jack Nicholson doesn’t do it for you Greg lol. And no, every single actor isn’t swamped with the same types of quality pussy. The people I mentioned got famous beautiful starlet pussy. As in, the fame, money, and looks were canceled out.

        Here, think of Mad Men. You have Don Draper. Strong, silent alpha male. You also have Roger Sterling, alpha male. Not strong, silent. You have Ted, alpha male. Also not strong, silent. The examples are all around you….

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      • Scray, not sure if Ted’s an alpha on that show. He doesn’t fool around anywhere near the way Don does. He’s more like an example of the beta guys who were the backbone of society until about 1965-1970. One of the things that jumped out at me about that show was how most of the male employees got married to decent-looking wives in their late 20s and early 30s. Today, despite their competence at their jobs, half of them would be incel-type omegas just because of how society is now structured.

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      • I’d say Ted is an alpha. He’s the ‘good guy’ alpha. He has his family, and he does right by them (mostly).

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      • this thread sucks now new post please CH

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      • Nice outfit, Gregums

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      • 5.11’s are my preferred wardrobe, beaner.

        And as others have pointed out, you shouldn’t be attempting snark at what someone wears, what with that King Goober lid you be sportin’.

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      • Now you’ve done it. You’ve stirred up the fleas riding the YaReally chihuahua.

        Can you cope?

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      • Rather than toot my own horn, I’ll let others judge how I’ve been handling the repartee. 😉

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      • Pretty poorly imo

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      • ah yes the great ‘look look….but movie stars!’ defense.

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      • Movie stars are personae we all can relate to, common frames of reference we all share, nothing more.

        It’s not like Eliot can say to you, “That’s just like Stu at O’Houghlihan’s that one time!” and expect you to know what he’s talking about.

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      • bleat bleat bleat, regardless, it only takes one counter-example to disprove a theory and I’ve named several. So next, anyway.

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      • Scray, you’re just a dweeb n166er who doesn’t understand the simple concept that using movie stars as examples is:

        a) referencing a type/archetype that nearly everyone recognizes and understands immediately.

        b) said movie stars BECAME said types/archetypes because they rang true and hit a chord with the general population.

        And the sock puppet Jimbo convinces no one except how utterly lame the attempts to gainsay me have become around here.

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      • Actually, exceptions DON’T disprove a rule… and for the record, your provided examples were poorly reasoned, as explained above.

        But, like your usual darky ilk, you trip over your own paltry thoughts and declare a profound victory.

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      • on November 18, 2013 at 12:51 pm haunted trilobite

        The quality of the barbs gave me a good chortle

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      • it only takes one counter-example to disprove a theory

        Another way of “bleating” NAWALT.

        Like I said, you don’t even know when you are advancing the enemy’s purposes. Soi-disant alphas are their own men, and yet, they haven’t the faintest idea when they are being feminist mouthpieces.

        This is why the pick-up dullard mindlessly mouths “IT’S ALL FOR THE PUSSY” when he is at the end of his investigative/explanatory powers, which is a short string to play-out indeed.

        It’s a shame, you show some awareness of this reality at times. I can see you are trying to become intellectually independent, and you have the chops. But you’re too insecure to be perceived as challenging dogma. Your erstwhile bros might say you wear Dad Jeans!

        Matt

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      • ‘Actually, exceptions DON’T disprove a rule’

        That would require us to assume that you’ve built enough of a set here for your little theory to be considered a general ‘on average’ rule — far from it. Hollywood is too full of funnyguys, silent guys, crazy guys, artsy guys, etc. that pull beautiful puss for what you say to be true anyway.

        ‘This is why the pick-up dullard mindlessly mouths “IT’S ALL FOR THE PUSSY” when he is at the end of his investigative/explanatory powers, which is a short string to play-out indeed.’

        Oh, was the whole ‘leading’ as differentiated from ‘how you lead’ not explanatory enough? You all keep ignoring what’s beneath the surface of these interactions — even when people take time to explain it.

        And I’m unsure why there’s this perpetual near-shame at the thought of it ‘all being for the pussy.’ How pitiful, fulfilling your biological purpose on the earth. How sad, securing a necessary (according to Maslow) step to self-actualization. How ridiculous, admitting that figuring out what works for YOU, specifically, in getting pussy is also a crucial part in getting to know thyself. What stigma is there in acknowledging that a man needs love to live?

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      • ‘a) referencing a type/archetype that nearly everyone recognizes and understands immediately.

        b) said movie stars BECAME said types/archetypes because they rang true and hit a chord with the general population.’

        Well Greggy-Hairy-Leggy-Dry-Dicked-and-Still-Dreggy, you are referencing just ONE type. There are several types that ‘everyone recognizes and understands.’ There are several types that are also depicted as scoring hot babes.

        Even assuming what you say is true in b still leads to the same conclusion — there are so many other movie stars, who banged tons of beautiful women, who became archetypes apart from the ‘strong silent’ archetype, to explode any possible validity your little rule-theory could have had.

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      • Please indicate where I said the ‘strong, silent’ man never speaks.

        You strongly hinted as much with your:

        I’m not sure why the image of an alpha is this stoic dude who can never ‘lol’ or ‘jaykay’ and has the emotional range of a tumbling rock.

        And then there was Hugh’s:

        Otherwise, sitting in the corner all strong and silent is coming with some serious constraints.

        Case closed.

        You play your “hahahaha” dancing monkey games with sloots that fall for “Let’s fuck” from a guy they’ve just met, and I’ll stick with my kind of folk.

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      • never ‘lol’ and ‘jaykay’ != implication of never speaking.

        And the implication from Hugh wasn’t that he never spoke, it was how ‘strong and silent’ plays out in reality when tried by the majority of men. Most men try to have that identity, it doesn’t work for them, it isn’t who they are, and so that’s what happens.

        You can be strong without the silent. Very easily.

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      • How would you know, you weak sister?

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      • Well, you have nothing of substance to say so you’ve resorted to…..burns (?). Ta!

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      • I’m not sure why the image of an alpha is this stoic dude who can never ‘lol’ or ‘jaykay’ and has the emotional range of a tumbling rock.

        For everything there is a season, and all things in moderation. The key is discipline and control, whereas you practically fetishize being a chucklehead as a way to pretend you are “chill.”

        When you are on the other side, you will see these little tells for what they are. Which is, discomfort in your own skin but trying to broadcast a comfort you don’t naturally exude. Trying too hard.

        Like thinking you radiate Doesn’t Give A Fuck by constantly telling everyone “I don’t give a fuck.”

        Just because you’re “not sure why” doesn’t mean you shouldn’t just shut up and do it anyway. There are a lot of experiences that don’t make sense until after the fact.

        You are so socially incontinent that you interpret a man in full possession of his faculties (“amused mastery”) as having the “emotional range of a tumbling rock.” What, do you perform for women like a trained monkey or something? That can only be the alpha ideal to a man who — perhaps in a former omega life — remains motionless for other reasons, such as insecurity and fear of action. Reformed wallflowers are afraid of standing still because that’s a sign of the old them.

        Matt

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      • What, do you perform for women like a trained monkey or something? That can only be the alpha ideal to a man who — perhaps in a former omega life — remains motionless for other reasons, such as insecurity and fear of action. Reformed wallflowers are afraid of standing still because that’s a sign of the old them.

        Judging by his initial field reports, that’s EXACTLY his schtick… had the “tell” of negro before I even knew it for sure… after the first two or three, it was just another example of “Next!”.

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      • it’s tough to disappoint one’s fans.

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      • Blah blah blah, do you disagree with my assertion that many different archetypes can and do possess the requisite alpha attitude? The rest is just nonsense I never said.

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  16. Also, using 4-letter words, like “fuck”, in a conversation with a chick, is some seriously downscale downmarket other-side-of-the-tracks gutter talk.

    There are much more romantic [and much more cleverer and mischievous] ways of saying the same thing, which will help you score cred with the elitist chicks from the best families.

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  17. Need advice. Messaged a cute girl, 19, who’s looking for a fuck buddy and is in an open relationship. She has age requirements (her pussy BF requires that she can’t see men over a certain age).

    I’m over that age limit, but I didn’t give a fuck I messaged her anyway. I called her BF insecure and recommended that he set her free if he can`t handle it.

    She messaged me back and agreed with me! She even implied that she will dump his sorry ass and be with someone else (wink wink me) who doesn’t care what she does!

    She indirectly told me that she’s sick of his insecurity and wants to be with me. Of course she’s saying it in a semi-joking way but she’s definitely interested!

    This game shit is really bad ass. When you genuinely have no attachment to women they seem to really want you.

    I don’t know where to go from here though. What are the risks of these types of situations? Fake account? Get robbed? Scammed? Herpes/Warts? Jealous bf who will kick my ass?

    Is sexual encounters from the internet risky? What types of girls need the internet to get laid? Are they riddled with VDs? What say you my stud alpha bros?

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    • First advice — stop with anything online. Second, is this game? This girl wants to be in an open relationship and is looking for the D. Is it your D? I mean, if all you said was to dump her boyfriend…..and she agreed….have you done anything at all?

      ‘What types of girls need the internet to get laid?’

      Awhile ago, I went on precisely two little ‘dates’ from online anything. Here are the unbreakable, true conditions: 1) she will always be significantly heavier than she is on her profile, 2) if not 1, she will have a significant amount of baggage, be caustic, or have some other glaring flaw that will immediately aware you of why she needs the internet.

      Honestly, IRL is the way to go to find quality.

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      • She seems like a carefree, young, girl looking for fun.

        I shit on her BF, lowered his value, upped my own (told I couldn’t give a fuck what girls do with their own lives), and she’s eating it up.

        I’m just wondering if there’s any risk to this online shit. How often do these types of chicks (in an open relationship and looking for dick on the internet) have VDs? 50%? I wanna protect my cock here too.

        Any specific strategy or advice?

        I’m really digging this game shit bros.

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      • lol her bf’s value is already in the toilet, she’s actively seeking a FB online.

        But nah, the whole STD thing is way overhyped. If you just wrap it up you’re fine.

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      • when a woman is fucking other guys not behind her bf’s back you cant really lower his value anymore, because he basically has none. I agree with scray about online stuff. Look at her jaw and chin and neck. Also look at her boobs, its hard to find a chick with a nice face and nice boobs online, and if she is she is getting pelted by 100’s of messages. Its really hard to build attraction and comfort when she is getting pelted by 100s of messages, but if you get a hit move fast, get number and schedule a meet asap.

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      • Keep in mind that any chick you’re talking to online is probably just a dude, or somebody who is getting paid to entertain you so you stay on the site and spend money.

        I fell for a lot of that shit hook line and sinker when I first decided it was finally time to cheat on my wife. Given everything you’ve said about yourself, Patrice, I strongly advise you not to think about online dating at all. Get out in the world and do it the hard way. Be persistent.

        I’ve been at it for a year and a half and have only managed to actually hit on about five real live girls. My progress is extremely slow, but now that I’ve finally pushed far enough ahead to face some rejection, rejection isn’t that bad. I can take it all as more of a joke now. I’m making progress. I’m a better man for all this, even if I never get laid.

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      • Keep going, man. Keep it up

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    • Are you using a picture now?

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  18. Get her drunk….then maybe.

    She’s just begging him to have consensual sex…and then call it rape the next day.

    Remember:

    Yes means yes, no means yes, maybe means yes,, passed out and pissing all over herself means no.

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  19. It is incredible what the ellipsis do to a woman’s brain. Full rationalization mode.


    First FR here, I will try to make it a regular thing. It is weird and incredible how much FR-and-feedback happens in the CH comments.

    So 2 warm approaches on Saturday. First I was at my boss’s wedding. It was a cerimony-lunch-party combo at a nice country house. On the table during lunch were me, a bunch of coworkers, a HB8.5 (also a coworker) and HB8 (HB8.5’s younger sister, the target here, will refer to her as “the sister”). Tried to be talkative during the lunch, throw some jokes, most landing good (making the table laugh) but I got the impression that the sister was never paying any attention at me.

    Then we went to “dancing”… Something that I really need improving. I just can’t psych myself to dance to electro music. Nevertheless, I got to talk to the girls on the dance floor. The group was me, another guy (that they knew but I met there), and the 2 girls. Worth mentioning the coworker girl is engaged and will marry next month, so I didn’t even tried something with her. Some highlights from what I can remember:

    – They started talking about the good-looking guys at the party being gay. Since I didn’t have a nice response, I just stepped back and talked to someone else so I wouldn’t be part of this kind of “girl talk”.

    – At some point the coworker girl says:
    “What to buy her (my sister)? 5 bucks”
    Me: “That cheap? Done! :)” and put my hand on the sister’s waist. “You are mine now!”
    Looking back at it, I could have tried some roleplaying of “We will marry, then divorce, I’ll keep our dog, etc.” but nothing came to mind. Then the guy comments something like “Hey, don’t bother, these girls are not worth the headache”, etc. Again, I wasn’t able to come up with a nice response.

    – Got to do some ballroom dancing (coutryish music) with the coworker girl, and she seemed to have enjoyed it. Now you can ask, why didn’t I asked the sister to dance instead of her? I HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA. Maybe she was already dancing with someone, maybe she went to the bathroom during that song, or maybe I’m just dumb as fuck.

    – It’s funny how easily I could talk to the coworker girl, that I already knew and had set myself not to hit on, then the sister, who was not as hot, but I didn’t knew how to start conversations with. Fucking anxiety.

    Later that day I get a call from my sister saying that she got an old friend in town (HB8) and asking me to go out with them. I say sure and they say they are coming to our house to dress up and go out. When they arrive I’m on the computer, shirtless – not intentional, it was just a hot day. It may be all in my head, but it seemed to me that the girl was impressed with my muscles (been gaining some mass at the arms. Still working on the beer belly tho).

    So we set to go out. The group is me, my sister, her boyfriend and HB8. We go to a little pub here, a band playing some pop-rockish songs.

    And then… nothing. I couldn’t hold a conversation for more than 2 sentences. Wasn’t able either to set some innuendo and try to talk more sexual stuff. Just mundane topic, little back and forth, then awkward silence. This goes on all night until we come back.

    I know, still lots of stuff to work on. On top of that still not able to do cold approaches.

    Any feedback is appreciated. Excuses in advance since English is not my first language.

    Gordon

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  20. the haha hah bit undoes anything good here

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  21. Yeah Always leave space for her imagination to run wild
    The thing is her imagination is nastier than anything you will ever be able to write into a cell phone

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  22. This really tame… unless CH is trolling and mocking his readers. A more complex case would have been a more interesting study.

    Maybe someone try, “No, I want a virgin.”

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  23. Chateau, I’m here to report that your advice to send out an immediate, funny message to gals after getting their numbers from cold approach works much better for me. I did 10 or 11, maybe 12 sets today, got one number, and had two girls who “hooked.”

    I’ve been expirementing with Justin Wayne Game (minus the jamba juice) despite having introverted tendecies. A few girls earned themselves multiple hugs (the girl who I hugged the most gave me her number, funnily enough)…Honestly I’m beginning to think that maybe I’m not introverted…I felt so energized after each one.

    Both girls who hooked told me they had long-term boyfriends after about 5 minutes into the conversation; this was only after I asked them for their contact information. Truthfully, I should have tried to insta-date one of them. The first girl gave me incredible anime/doggy bowl eyes, faced me with full body, and smiled at me expectantly after she said it. The other just stared at me as if waiting for something. I saw her pupils get as wide as her irises. Neither made an attempt to move away until I turned away. Don’t know what to make of those *shrug* shit test? Truth? Secret society? ? ?

    One asian girl I also thought hooked – she asked me all sorts of questions. Maybe 4 in 5 minutes. Then when we were about to have to part, she faced me and said, “well this was great. I have to go that way now” I agreed and suggested an info trade. She then said, “To be honest, I don’t feel comfortable doing that” and ran away “because she had to catch her bus.” I loled as she ran for what seemed like a hundred yards. This happened right before meeting the two other girls who hooked. Wonder where I screwed up. She told me pretty much her entire life story.

    It was a very good night, all in all. I’m interested to see if this number I just got flakes. I’m having fun with this lol.

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    • Byronic-Mate. There is a war on some of us now already….. so you and your true friends-maybe need to take some remedial course.work regarding the need for you more clearly to learn to hear the sound of thunder…..
      And to have basements stacked full of un tracea-able , home-grown milled AR recievers.

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    • “Both girls who hooked told me they had long-term boyfriends after about 5 minutes into the conversation; this was only after I asked them for their contact information. Truthfully, I should have tried to insta-date one of them. The first girl gave me incredible anime/doggy bowl eyes, faced me with full body, and smiled at me expectantly after she said it. The other just stared at me as if waiting for something. I saw her pupils get as wide as her irises. Neither made an attempt to move away until I turned away. Don’t know what to make of those *shrug* shit test? Truth? Secret society? ? ? ”

      I’ve seen that too. And you wish you could get inside her head and understand what the fuck is going on. It’s probably a case of frontal cortex vs. tingles. The attraction is obviously there, but she doesn’t go for it.

      These girls have boyfriends, so it might to be worth insisting, but I guess the way to go from there is comfort so she has a little more to work with than just a “random guy on the street”. Don’t go full disclosure either, no need to beta down too much, but you need some honesty in comfort phase.

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  24. Remember the guy getting his beard stroked in your twitter post, CH?

    Alpha of the year.

    http://www.brobible.com/life/article/dan-bilzerian-instgram

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    • I’m fine with “inviting” some playboy girls every now and then, dude’s got money that’s fine. But 30? The problem with this kind of “parties” is that you always need more for the next one. And more usually means fucked up, sooner or later. I mean, would you seriously hire a chick to be dressed as a mermaid in your pool? At some point you gotta stop lol.

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  25. “wanna fuck? hahahahahaha”

    the “hahahahahaha” part seems to to me to represent an attempt to create plausible deniability, to pull back from an uncomfortable threshold.

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    • The traditional term for it is “nervous laugh”…

      Not even in the same league, let along ballpark, as “alpha” behavior.

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    • on November 18, 2013 at 7:48 am The Burninator

      Going with Greg on this one.

      The nervous laughter ploy is a call to “See? I’m joking! I’m harmless, you have nothing to fear from me! I didn’t really mean it!” Normally this kind of approach gets one a fast, one way ticket to The Friend Zone ™. Her tone in the final reply she makes seems more along the lines of bored “yeah, sure, whatever” than an actual sign of a tingle.

      Let her know you mean it, let her “feel the threat” if it can be called that. More pussy tingles from being seen as dangerous than as being seen as yet another electronic beta orbiter who only jokes about sex. You’ve become a Chester to her Butch.

      The entire notion of “whatever it takes to get pussy!” seems rather anti-ethical to traditional alpha if you ask me, and it reeks of placing a higher value on an externality (pussy) than on your own macho badass-ity. You don’t go out and sacrifice everything that can make you great for women, rather, a true traditional alpha projects an aura of confidence, strength, manliness and aplomb such that women are compelled to seek him out and sacrifice everything to be with him. Tittering like a girly boy at the end of a sentence to convey harmlessness is the opposite of confidence and strength.

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      • Actually wasn’t the dog’s name Spike? Can’t remember now, been way too long since I’ve seen Looney Tunes.

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      • Lol no…

        ‘ anti-ethical to traditional alpha if you ask me’

        Lol……..uhhhhhhh…..

        ‘Tittering like a girly boy at the end of a sentence to convey harmlessness is the opposite of confidence and strength.’

        Wrong, it’s a sign of deft calibration. Girls like guys who KNOW how to HANDLE their emotions. It’s another way of LEADING. Jesus, get it through your heads. Girls like when a guy knows exactly what they need to hear to feel comfortable and safe enough to go and be a dirty slut.

        This is why u nerds fail. srs.

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      • Lol no…Lol……..uhhhhhhh… Jesus, get it through your heads. … srs.

        You prove our point. Again and again and again. Over and over and over. You are your own worst enemies.

        If all you can do is roll your eyes and make fart noises and express permanent incredulity that others disagree with you, perhaps the problem is you. This is exactly the kind of unexamined assumption of superiority that feminists/the left have have reduced to shorthand (“Um…” “Uhhhh…” “wow just wow” “I mean really? Really?!?!”).

        This is what your rebuttals sound like:

        http://www.pajiba.com/miscellaneous/if-you-have-sex-with-a-feminist-you-are-killing-the-middle-class-says-terrible-terrible-person-.php

        You’re trying to raise the volume on your assertion in order to defeat our assertion. A little less of the scandalized vapors, less onomatopoeia, a little more of the plainly rendered items of argument. If we disagree, that’s okay. Your subverbal ooking and eeking isn’t just unpersuasive, it makes your position appear weaker than it really is. You do your allies who agree with you no favors. The left long ago abandoned even the appearance of constructing a solid thesis or antithesis, and so they have since forgotten how to argue persuasively.

        Try instead: “We are describing different approaches. In my experience, plausible deniability works when you are volume-directed, whereas your more aloof, all-in method is high risk, high reward, low hit rate.”

        Turning every non-doctrinaire opinion into an occasion to spaz helps nobody, least of all yourself. It’s not your diverging (immature) approach that diminishes you so much as your inability to handle a disagreement among men without resorting to lefty smoke & mirrors.

        Matt

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      • A sound explanation.

        In fact, I’m a bit embarrassed that I bothered to reply to him, in that context.

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      • You prove our point. Again and again and again. Over and over and over. You are your own worst enemies.

        Way to ignore the rest of the post where I explained my incredulity. But if you want to discuss the rest of the post and talk point-by-point…please, by all means.

        Do you disagree with this being an example of leading? That leading can take different forms at different times in different situations with different girls?

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      • I don’t disagree that it is a kind of leadership. I disagree with your placing sole, greater, or ultimate importance on that kind of leadership. Especially since nine times out of ten, it does indicate “nervous laughter.”

        You are distinguishing yourself from betas in concept, but you are not explaining why a woman’s perception would automatically distinguish you likewise, when, on the screen and by definition, the “hahahas” are indistinguishable. Suffice it to say, there is nothing intrinsic to a canned laugh-track that reinforces your alpha frame. On the contrary, it begs explanation and independent/external confirmation having nothing to do with the text per se. This is what Eliot was talking about.

        And why does an alpha need “plausible deniability” anyway? Did I miss where you explained that? To be alpha means to have a permanent twinkle in your eye, a constant wink-without-winking, to have her hamster always revving over your level of earnestness. Anything more explicit is overkill.

        “You said we should … you know … ‘do it’! I have the text right here.”

        “Let’s keep everybody’s underwear on for now. Are you going to be one of those girls who takes every metaphor literally?”

        That’s all the deniability you need. “Plausible” has nothing to do with it, since you are constantly redefining the plausible according to your whim. And she eats that up.

        Now which is the sturdier example of leadership?

        Matt

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      • ‘I disagree with your placing sole, greater, or ultimate importance on that kind of leadership.’

        I’ve said several times in this thread that this is a tactic that can work in certain situations. I’ve never said it’s the ONLY tactic or that it’s the BEST tactic at all times. However, stacked against the general population of women — any sort of entreat to fuck should be wrapped in some amount of plausible deniability (not necessarily this much), if you’re interested in having the widest net.

        ‘you are not explaining why a woman’s perception would automatically distinguish you likewise, when, on the screen and by definition, the “hahahas” are indistinguishable.’

        You are subtly demonstrating pre-selection. A man who has been with enough women can feel out what they need and at what time and at what pace.

        ‘And why does an alpha need “plausible deniability” anyway?’

        The woman needs this. This is why you don’t go up to a woman you want to fuck in the middle of the day time and say ‘hey let’s go back to my place and fuck.’

        ‘To be alpha means to have a permanent twinkle in your eye, a constant wink-without-winking, to have her hamster always revving over your level of earnestness’

        lol you’re just assuming that the woman HAS NO CLUE what is going on at all just behind the ‘hahahaha’ and the ‘lol.’ Masking it in a nice safe joke is another way to the same place.

        ‘Now which is the sturdier example of leadership?’

        Both seem about equal to me. You see, ‘wanna fuck’ gets the bonus of explicit language. Calibrating to the situation is just that age old virtue — wisdom — in disguise. Only real game in town.

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      • ‘“We are describing different approaches. In my experience, plausible deniability works when you are volume-directed, whereas your more aloof, all-in method is high risk, high reward, low hit rate.”’

        Also, I didn’t say this because it isn’t true. My approach, calibrate to the situation, is low-risk, high reward, moderate-high hit rate. It’s a better approach. So, ya…it’s not about agree-to-disagree. It’s about one position is correct, and the other is inflexible garbage.

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      • I didn’t say this because it isn’t true.

        WRONG ANSWER.

        If you want to be persuasive at all, you don’t just keep asserting the same thing over and over (with more and greater expressions of contempt appended). You find a way to express the truth using the language your interlocutor understands.

        It isn’t about “agree-to-disagree,” it is about thesis + antithesis = synthesis. Maybe you improve him, maybe he improves you.

        One synthesizes that productive dialectic by first assuming one might not know it all, but even more importantly, by taking pains not to come across as an overweening know-it-all.

        You think naked assertion — “Because it isn’t true,” it’s “garbage,” so NAH — works among fellow (superior, peer, or inferior) men because it works with women. Men don’t respect that substance-free bloviation.

        If you are so certain you are correct, why not let the truth speak for itself rather than spending so much energy softening up its critics with ad hominem? That activity denotes a lack of confidence in the power of the truth per se. Again: this unsubstantiated cocky cuz-I-sed-so pose works better with women while inspiring pointless round-arounds with men.

        No, having failed to be persuasive, you will undermine your very participation in debate here by eventually claiming you don’t care what anyone thinks. Rather than improving your game (skill in rhetoric).

        There is an art to persuasion just as there is an art to seduction. You improve yourself by making committed opponents think twice about their position. But being utterly incapable of that kind of conversion, especially in people like Greg Eliot who has undoubtedly experienced a few things, you retreat to fantasies of I’m right, they’re wrong, and not recognizing my rightness proves they have a character problem. Like the fat girl who thinks men must be gay for not hitting on her.

        Matt

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      • Yes, or it can just mean I choose what topics and assertions I legitimize carefully. But now that you have harped on and on and on and on about my topic sentence, let us proceed to the content behind the assertion. Certainly you saw it. It is free for all, including you, to see. Find its faults, please, point them out. Because for all your quibbling over matters of style, you’re still just talking about style while failing to take issue with the substance.

        I’m not here to discuss rhetorical tactics, let’s cut the meat. Do you disagree that calibrating the approach to a particular situation, rather than going direct in every situation, is low-risk, high reward, m-h hit rate? Do you disagree that those stats as compared to high risk, high reward, low hit rate are preferable?

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      • I mean actual alpha male, scray, not just a mindless dick guided missile trying to pretend that putting it in pussy makes him the ultimate example of masculinity. If you have to do things like giggle, or play gay-game, and other lame effeminate things to get a chick, I laugh at you. Clearly you have no idea what it means to have the girls coming to you willing to sacrifice their own dignity to get you into their arms because you present value as a man and not as a giggling cartoon. Your loss.

        You can tell yourself that giggling is some kind of calibration, that’s your own fantasy to indulge in, me, I see it for what it is, nervous giggling and minimizing the “danger factor” of a guy openly saying “Hey, let’s have sex”.

        But danger factor is what gets the best chicks the wettest. Try it sometime with a girl above HB 7.5, if you can muster the courage, and get back to us with the results. Until then you’re just another internet keyboard tough guy and are granted all due respect that the title deserves. If you’re content to plug bored HB 5’s who will consent, maybe, once you get her drunk and tells you as much, you don’t have much innate value to begin with.

        Slainte

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      • ‘Clearly you have no idea what it means to have the girls coming to you willing to sacrifice their own dignity to get you into their arms because you present value as a man and not as a giggling cartoon. Your loss.’

        If the only value you know how to demonstrate is passive value, it’s your loss. There are a ton of girls who will forever remain out of your reach and you will be stuck with whatever your looks can get you.

        So ya your ‘actual alpha male’ is just some dude who plays FAG and hits on girls who are below him in physical attractiveness.

        And this overanalyzing of ‘hahahaha’ as giggle, gay-game, effeminate says way more about you (and most of the commenters) insecurities and weird hangups than it does about ‘game.’ You can say hahahaha and lol. It’s okay, dudebros….your dick won’t fall off.

        I’m not saying you have to go this road when demonstrating active value, but ya…I can def recognize it as a tactic that can work in several different situs. Free your mind, man. It’s not about what you say, it’ s about you demonstrating the ability to HANDLE her.

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      • Only an eager upstart would classify the power of detachment/aloofness as “passive.”

        The sweet spot is when you learn how to be active while appearing passive to her hamster. Like the ventriloquist or prestidigitateur who is a master of misdirection, the puppeteer who shows no strings. Given that women want to be fooled, it isn’t that hard a principle to fathom. And it is about teasing ambiguities or innuendo into slow-cooked excitement right up to first cocktact, not about peen-tucking “deniability.”

        But adrenaline causes us to seek an outlet for all that nervous energy, and it is easiest to fall back on, “Don’t just stand there, do something, anything.” We express an impulse and retroactively rationalize it as “up tempo game” rather than patiently, smartly controlling it from the start.

        Matt

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      • ‘Only an eager upstart would classify the power of detachment/aloofness as “passive.”’

        Well, I never did that. Passive value = physical attributes.

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      • Scray’s right. Posted some links.

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      • No he’s not… and he should stop sock-puppeting.

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      • @Scray

        False. The whole shebang. And you utterly missed my point. You’re too busy trying to smash the “I”m right you’re wrong” Button O’ Narcissism to pay attention. Create value in yourself, and they come by the boatload.

        If you wish to try and giggle your way into their pants, that’s on you, I’m content to point and laugh.

        Now go play some Gay Game and giggle a bit more, I hear the HB 5’s really dig that.

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      • Please explain ‘create value’ and how ‘creating value in yourself’ must necessarily be in conflict with ‘hahahaha.’ And why ‘hahhahha’ somehow just must be approval-seeking blah blah blah.

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      • “Please explain ‘create value’ and how ‘creating value in yourself’ must necessarily be in conflict with ‘hahahaha.’ And why ‘hahhahha’ somehow just must be approval-seeking blah blah blah.”

        By being the recognized leader of the pack in any room I walk into. Having high confidence, high charisma in groups, and being assumed to be the “guy in charge” even in a group of strangers by those on the outside (and especially by women). Being naturally masculine and aloof because I know I can do what I want with whom I wish, anytime I want and projecting that air as a natural part of who I am, because it is.

        Examples (anecdotal):

        Me at age 18, fresh in boot camp as a buck private E-1 like the rest of the group. I would routinely get approached by people outside of our platoon as if I were an NCO (along with many calling me sergeant or “sir” unsolicited), forcing me to point out my rank and say “You got the wrong guy, pal”. The reason? I am tall, muscular, good posture, good looking, instilled with confidence from being raised in and around a 1% MC and learning how to hold my own both with my fists and through subtle and not so subtle intimidation. I’m intellectual and aggressive to boot and can throw a woman off of her conversation “game” at will. Throw it together and you have “dangerous” to women even from a distance. To those who didn’t know me and couldn’t see the rank (black on a green-black uniform doesn’t show up well at a distance) I was assumed to be in charge.

        Second: The way I handle life. Got into a minor fender bender on my way to Myrtle Beach in the 1990’s. I was at fault, it was on a downhill slope and I tapped the back of the car in front of me trying to come to a halt a bit too late (wasn’t paying attention). I was 19 at the time. Jumped out of the car, strode purposely to the front of my car, glared at the guy who got out of his and came back to me. “You better hope you didn’t damage my car,” I said as I stood up. He was 30 something, nervous, wearing something that was or was like an Izod shirt, and his hands were shaking. “Gosh, I hope not, I’m so sorry” he stuttered and back to his car he went and drove off. There was no damage, but I was clearly at fault and convinced him through gravity and sheer aggressive determination, in one sentence, that he was to blame.

        You bring that to women, especially the higher value chicks, and they melt without you having to play psychological games from an online Step 1, Step 2, etc. playbook.

        With my personality and presence giggling and playing Gay Game would work exactly opposite for me, as how it might work for some others. It doesn’t fit me at all, and it doesn’t appeal to the quality women I go after.

        As Matt said, we can disagree on the methods, but snarking in telling me I’m not getting anything, without knowing me, is laughable. I had a Miss Ohio following me around like an eager puppy for a while basically begging to have sex, I get quality women. Going “hahahahahahahahaha” goof game just lowers my value to that kind of woman. It may work for other kinds of women, but they’re not the kind I’m interested in. And honestly, I get confused by guys who would be interested in that kind of woman, but in the interest of peace, I’ll simply say “To each his own”.

        Slainte

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      • ‘Going “hahahahahahahahaha” goof game just lowers my value to that kind of woman. It may work for other kinds of women, but they’re not the kind I’m interested in.’

        K, first of all, please re-read:

        I’m not saying you have to go this road when demonstrating active value, but ya…I can def recognize it as a tactic that can work in several different situs.

        It’s good that you are now agreeing with my general point that this can work in certain situs. Maybe not all. And maybe not in all dynamic. But dismissing it just because ‘hahahahha?’ Ridiculous.

        ‘ but snarking in telling me I’m not getting anything, without knowing me, is laughable.’

        Here is what I said:

        ‘If the only value you know how to demonstrate is passive value, it’s your loss’

        Do you know why I can tell you you aren’t getting anything? —>

        ‘ I am tall, muscular, good posture, good looking, instilled with confidence from being raised in and around a 1% MC and learning how to hold my own both with my fists and through subtle and not so subtle intimidation.’

        And your stories are all about you demonstrating this passive value —>
        ‘“You better hope you didn’t damage my car,” I said as I stood up. He was 30 something, nervous, wearing something that was or was like an Izod shirt, and his hands were shaking. “Gosh, I hope not, I’m so sorry” he stuttered and back to his car he went and drove off.’

        ‘You bring that to women, especially the higher value chicks, and they melt without you having to play psychological games from an online Step 1, Step 2, etc. playbook.’

        Ya…your passive value. lmao. case closed, dude. Congrats.
        You don’t need to know or have much game because I guess you won the genetic lottery. But I’m not going to pretend you know what you’re talking about when it comes to situs where the girl doesn’t just already value you at max levels based on appearance. Because — and it’s weird how before you typed any of that shit out I already knew, isn’t it? — quite frankly, you don’t get it.

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      • o ya, just FYI — that isn’t ‘creating value.’

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      • I’m not going to pretend you know what you’re talking about when it comes to situs where the girl doesn’t just already value you at max levels based on appearance.

        It isn’t about “appearance.” It is about the posture and countenance that comes from attitude. Or, as you would call it, “solid inner frame.”

        Having something real to back up that attitude is the difference here. You believe it can be sufficiently faked, and that is why you so easily revert to omega habits like plausible deniability. Everything is fictional performance, substance is just natural “max levels” bestowed indiscriminately by the alpha fairy. Only now, game has given you the language to interpret those bad habits into alphaese, which makes you something of a pest who is late to the party.

        Matt

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      • on November 18, 2013 at 2:19 pm The Burninator

        Please, spare me. Passive is a lack of action. One does not get the traits I posses through passive approaches to life, or to women. When I behave as an alpha in front of men and women alike, women are naturally drawn to me. If I just stood around against a wall, letting “natural gifts” do all my work, saying nothing, brooding in the shadows and gazing darkly unto the horizon as women approached trying to figure out the “mystery of me”, then you’d have a point. I don’t, so you don’t. My value is built, if you wish to use the terms of this site, through social proofing and displayed confidence that I built into myself through a lifetime of work, experience, triumphs and failures.

        Genetic lottery? LOL. My natural “body type” is mesomorph, plain and average. Muscles didn’t just appear on me unbidden, they’re the result of years of work in the gym, good diet and a physical life. A square jaw and attractive features wouldn’t be apparent or present if they were covered in the standard American 26% body fat. A commanding presence and aggressive determination are not things you’re born with, you earn them by hard and often very physically painful lessons in life. Knowing how to deal with people, intelligence, those things are earned as well by experience and seeking knowledge, thinking about things beyond the superficial, passing the tests of life or failing and learning something from the failure. When I convinced that man at the car accident to retreat I did that not knowing he would, I was testing a theory I’d developed after my first year in the military (assumed respect based on presence). It could have easily have failed and I’d would have been in hot water, but I tried it out without fear. Learning to lead and take charge, risk chance experiments that paid off and I adapted as a successful strategy. Posture – practiced and maintained, nobody has to stand straight. So…I have height and eye color, yes, that’s genetic, everything else is a result of deliberate effort.

        With “active”, what you’re talking about is approaching as a unknown zero and building up tingles with book/web learned tricks, because you would otherwise be a fly on the wall to any given broad, fine. But that’s no more “active” than the steps I take every time I go to a motorcycle rally or bike night or social gathering (Daytona, Sturgis, etc) and make my rounds in the crowd, back slapping brothers and having women I know line up to hug me or flirt with me in front of others who may not know me. It’s no more “active” than me pulling the HB 8/9 across the room out of her circle of friends by motioning her over from a distance, which 8 out of 10 times she obeys (as, being a girl, she wants to be commanded so that she can submit and obey). It is no more “active” than me not treating that 8/9 like she was God’s gift to men and talking to her like she was a boring person who needs to earn my attention. Treating her as less important than the task at hand 90% of the time, being aloof, talking to her in command voice and not pleading/asking voice, being funny without trying to be the class clown, assuming her attraction, all learned and applied, ergo, active. Lessons learned over a lifetime, applied, and results achieved, all active.

        Without applying myself physically, I’d be an average or fat guy. Without taking lessons learned in life about how people, men and women, both react to certain stimuli and situations, I would be a boring guy sitting around wishing “gosh, it would be nice if that pretty girl would talk to me”. Passive, genetic lottery; damn dude that’s funny.

        It seems to me that there are better ways to get into her pants that don’t involve that kind of “gosh, I’m a harmless guy” self humiliation. Learn tricks as you will, many are built on solid psychology and the experience of others. But maybe have enough dignity as a man not to castrate yourself to get to the ‘tang through “I’m harmless, hahahaha” game and gay game. Both reek of a fear of your own masculinity. That’s all I’m sayin’.

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      • on November 18, 2013 at 2:21 pm The Burninator

        “It isn’t about “appearance.” It is about the posture and countenance that comes from attitude. Or, as you would call it, “solid inner frame.”

        Having something real to back up that attitude is the difference here. You believe it can be sufficiently faked, and that is why you so easily revert to omega habits like plausible deniability. Everything is fictional performance, substance is just natural “max levels” bestowed indiscriminately by the alpha fairy. Only now, game has given you the language to interpret those bad habits into alphaese, which makes you something of a pest who is late to the party.”

        Exactly, and much more succinct than my 10,000 word essays. Solid Inner Frame were the words that escaped me. The genuine eludes his thinking so he dismisses it as some kind of random chance. Thank you.

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      • ‘Having something real to back up that attitude is the difference here. You believe it can be sufficiently faked, and that is why you so easily revert to omega habits like plausible deniability.’

        There’s nothing fake about having self-respect and boundaries. It’s fine for this individual to lean on his appearance — more power to him, in fact. That signal demonstrates instant, albeit passive, value. However, such an individual knows little about demonstrating active value.

        As far as plausible deniability being an omega habit — do you not concede that some amount of plausible deniability needs to be present in any courtship before the P dives into V? This is why there are not orgies in the streets, this is why the vast majority of women on the street will walk away from you when you say ‘let’s fuck.’ The amount may vary from girl to girl, but it’s just a part of the game.

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      • on November 18, 2013 at 2:24 pm The Burninator

        It just ate my windy reply, can’t see it after submitting it. Might appear later, might not. Matt summed it up precisely though. Attributing hard work over a life to gain genuine value and substance as chance genetic luck and “passive” is the height of blindness. Muscles don’t build themselves, nor do attitudes and confidence earned through hard trials somehow materialize unbidden into one’s personality.

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      • ‘Exactly, and much more succinct than my 10,000 word essays. Solid Inner Frame were the words that escaped me. The genuine eludes his thinking so he dismisses it as some kind of random chance. Thank you.’

        No, it doesn’t. You don’t seem to get that the frame you fall into is not the result of you actively demonstrating anything. You see, you fall into the FAG ‘ya no lol im a badass’ blah blah blah frame AFTER you have value to the girl. If your value comes from your looks, then again, you really don’t know that much about game. That’s what’s escaping you, Matt’s, and a huuuuuuge part of the comment section.

        And it’s why a lot of dudes are not getting any. They want to start at step 3 — where they now have value to a girl — instead of figuring out that they need to start at step 1.

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      • ‘Attributing hard work over a life to gain genuine value and substance as chance genetic luck and “passive” is the height of blindness. ‘

        Whoa, whoa, easy there. I’m not trying to take away from your accomplishments with your muscles or anything. Believe me, I know the benefits that come from getting more muscular and eating right and taking charge of your life, blah blah blah.

        I’d recommend that guys do that stuff — and I do — but that isn’t ‘game.’ That’s just adding to your passive value, which is always a wise investment.

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      • ‘Genetic lottery? LOL. My natural “body type” is mesomorph, plain and average.’

        lol….mesomorph is the holy grail of body types, so uhhhh try again.

        ‘ If I just stood around against a wall, letting “natural gifts” do all my work, saying nothing, brooding in the shadows and gazing darkly unto the horizon as women approached trying to figure out the “mystery of me”, then you’d have a point.’

        The value you gain comes from your external attributes. It’s writ all over your stories and in the general approach — which is fine. No one said that some part of those attributes weren’t worked for, or whatever. However, the fact is that to take the kind of attitude you’re talking about, classic ‘fuck up avoidance,’ requires you to already have perceived value. None of your stories involve you having to demonstrate active value.

        ‘ But that’s no more “active” than the steps I take every time I go to a motorcycle rally or bike night or social gathering (Daytona, Sturgis, etc) and make my rounds in the crowd, back slapping brothers and having women I know line up to hug me or flirt with me in front of others who may not know me. It’s no more “active” than me pulling the HB 8/9 across the room out of her circle of friends by motioning her over from a distance, which 8 out of 10 times she obeys (as, being a girl, she wants to be commanded so that she can submit and obey)..’

        Actually yes it is way more active. You, again, are deriving your value from your external appearance.

        ‘ Passive, genetic lottery; damn dude that’s funny.’

        You can work on passive attributes. Nothing inconsistent with what I said. And if you’re a tall, good-looking, white mesomorph — ya, that is genetic lottery.

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      • [D]o you not concede that some amount of plausible deniability needs to be present in any courtship before the P dives into V?

        No, I do not concede it.

        You want to go the “deniability” approach rather than the double-down approach, and that approach is preserved by ambiguity, innuendo, and entendre.

        Now, I think we are saying the same thing, but you aren’t giving enough props to the idea of accelerating into the turn rather than braking.

        A woman wants her possibilities open-ended (heh). You spin her hamster by indulging in that tease, you don’t say you’re kidding, you don’t say you’re not kidding.

        You put the onus of depravity on her psychology rather than sparing her with stark “denials.” But you appear to be timid in this regard for fear of triggering her anti-slut mechanisms, when you should be more interested in overcoming those defenses by making her psychologically responsible for them. This is achieved through ambiguity, never denial. Answer questions with questions, not escape-valve laughter. “Of course I’m not serious but in a way I am serious and anyway where did you come up with such depraved thoughts, that’s the real issue here.”

        Do you grasp the difference now? I am sure you do. Preserving deniability is like using an auxiliary parachute from ten feet rather than playing the dare devil that moistens gussets. It’s shooting yourself in the foot before the foot is even in the door. She already knows you want to fuck her; appending laughter to it doesn’t reduce the tingle-killing bluntness of saying it out loud. So elegantly riff off The Thing That Must Not Be Said and embarrass the hell out of her for even contemplating such a scandalous thing.

        Matt

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      • ‘Now, I think we are saying the same thing, but you aren’t giving enough props to the idea of accelerating into the turn rather than braking.’

        How so? I’ve said several times that in certain situations THIS may be good. In other situs, not so much. To everything its season. Not all situations are the same.

        It hasn’t been me who has just been like ‘hahahaha’ just is per se bad and must be approval-seeking nervous laughter. That’s ridiculous. There are several scenarios where it could work very well. And others, not so much.

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      • on November 18, 2013 at 7:10 pm haunted trilobite

        Even though you’re disagreeing on points, it’s a very informative debate. You’re hashing out theory and psychology nicely on both sides of the argument. Well done all round

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  26. I just had an epiphany… which will be so lame.

    I does not matter where you start, but the direction you’re going in. If you don’t like where you are, stand up and leave.

    If you are where you have to offer to purchase things, it matters little … as long as you then progress to where you are asked to purchase things …

    shit tests aren’t if that’s the natural behaviour of you and others expect of you, if that’s where you are.

    but you have to change them where they become shit tests …

    ARRRGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

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  27. Heartsie loves the Misc.

    Repped

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  28. on November 18, 2013 at 11:40 am The Spirit Within

    OT

    From H’s tweet:

    Cellular Solutions even has a bikini contest for its “employees”. No joke: It really is a soft harem.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/cellularsolutionsneltd/with/4595275722

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  29. ‘Loki is uglier than Thor, but chick nerdettes love Loki more. Bad boy charm >> male looks.’

    Pretty sure the head cheerleader has the hots for Thor, and that chick who wears too much eyeliner and loves Twilight likes Loki.

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  30. Guy I’ve known my whole life just dropped 30k on an engagement ring and proposed to a woman he’s been dating for 5 months. Long distance too.
    He’s low 30s it’s his first real girlfriend. She in her mid 30s and is probably taking full advantage of his naiveity in relationships.

    Most vicious crash and burn I’ve ever witnessed in my 31 years. There is no talking sense into him he’s found “the one” and “when you know you know”

    Btw his precious was previously engaged was set to be married this August but shit went down my buddy stepped in during June of this year.

    Clock ticker found the sucker of the century just in time. Unprotected sex with full ball unloading inside the vag from the first hookup. True love

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  31. “The modern corporate harem. http://metro.co.uk/2013/11/13/the-glass-ceiling-illustrated-in-one-meet-the-staff-web-page-4186032/ … Who gets screwed? The beta males.”

    Back in 1992, a character in Michael Crichton’s “Disclosure” postulated that the feminazi shrieking would stop when women held 50% of the exec positions. Ha ha.

    “Oprah: Racism Will End When All the Old White People Die | FrontPage Magazine: http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/oprah-racism-will-end-when-all-the-old-white-people-die/#.UomLjd2fayF.twitter …”

    It’ll end only when white people go extinct, and by then they’ll have some new scapegoat in the wings.

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    • racism will end when non white people produce something better to replace it with.

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      • I discovered an interesting thing as yea I wandered through this world…

        I had pretty much kept this observation to myself for long years, but was heartened to find that several other disparate friends, associates, and even strangers let the collective cats out of the bag on the odd occasion… often without any prior solicitation on my part.

        Namely:

        About 75% of white folks were “okay/worth knowing/trustworthy/(add yours here)”… the other 25% pretty much best kept at arm’s length.

        Yet with our (ahem) more melanimous fellow beings, the percentages were uncannily reversed in the same proportion.

        Racism will end when that much-touted “content of character” thing gets taken seriously by the touters, and they grow the necessary percentages to a state of equality with their lighter brethren.

        Just an observation… as always, your mileage may vary.

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  32. The “…” allows you to fill the void without getting angry.

    “…” is a version of amused mastery. Here’s another recent example with girl I’m gaming and asked out to a weekly salsa night..
    xxxx

    Me: Hey, if you promise not to step on my feet, let’s dance tomorrow.

    Her: Can’t promise (1 minute later)

    Me: Can’t promise not to step on my feet? Hmmmmm (15 minutes later)

    Her: That I can come out (1 minute later)

    Me: … (15 minutes later)

    Her: Meow (10 minutes later)

    Ends there…nothing to add.

    Girl tips her hand…it’s a shit test to see how I react to a rejection.

    My value goes up immediately by sparking hamster to scramble to wonder what “…” means.

    But “k” would sound butt-hurt. nothing would sound hurt. “…” works best.

    Great way to parry a shit test, or a flake or a shit-test.

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    • No dude, bad example

      You lost this in the second line and you did it to yourself. You and her both knew what she meant, “Can’t promise not to step on my feet? Hmmmmm” this whole message was read as question (hmm with upward inflection, guaranteed) and a desperate attempt to rescue the lost situation.

      She replies almost immediately to confirm that you know your place (beta) “(“you know what i meant, friendzone walawala..”) You can’t use ellipses to upgrade your position from b back to a. she just read that as >sad< (so sad that you can't think what to say). The meow is the final insult. She's just checking that you're still an orbiter.

      Ends there nothing to add. Yep said it yourself.

      Better:

      You: Hey, if you promise not to step on my feet, let’s dance tomorrow.

      Her: Can’t promise (1 minute later)

      You: Then practice.
      [The ellipse here is important. It hard signals the statement, but also the divide between her (unpracticed) and you (pro). It also keeps your frame. ie get on my level. also 15 mins is too long here. It looks like you were trying to think what to say. 3-4 mins is appropriate. Long enough to make her look at her empty phone a couple times, short enough that the reply is sharp.]

      [She'll wait 24 hrs before she tries a test again]

      Her: (next day, 1hr before dance class)
      I don't think i can make it tonight walawala. (insert shit test) My gf.. just broke up with her boyfriend i need to be with her.

      You: 3some is ok. (again ellipse here is important, signals statement also signals 3some is ok. but anything else is not ok)

      Her: (aghast!) Don't think we can do that!

      You: "…"

      Her: We'll meet you afterwards for drinks.

      That is ellipse game.

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    • Would have worked better after her first reply. Didn’t read the comment above so maybe he said that. You have to get them into a compliance loop then reward and go back to a dhv and or a soft iod.

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      • Her: “can’t promise”

        Me: …

        Then there would have been some qualification which I could ignore….

        Thanks

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  33. Thanks. Great analysis which I hadn’t considered either in the response or the timing or replies.

    I like how you describe the timing of the responses. This is something I hadn’t thought of.

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  34. Bro, do you even lift?

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  35. I’ve been using this and .. game. If you give out an evil chuckle to yourself as you type, then you are doing it right.

    Girl I fucked the night before: Sends me 5 or so texts about that night and how she wants to fuck me again

    Me: U dont know how to suck cock do u (because we just fucked no oral)

    Her: Sends me more texts explaining how it has to be special and all and how she is the best at it

    Me; ..

    Around 6:00 pm Her: Sends more texts she doesn’t do if for just anyone but she is the best and all blah blah

    Around 4 am Me: Nah

    Her like 10 seconds later: more texts trying to get me over her place

    I stopped texting and went to sleep. She’s in the bag.

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  36. My game is fair and I used the … in a recent text. Sent the woman’s hamster running full speed. I laughed my ass off at how incredibly power those little …’s are. Thanks for the tip. Will use more often now.

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