Can I See Myself Saying That?

A girl buddy tells me some guy hit on her as she was leaving the gym that afternoon. She describes how he did it.

“So he comes up to me and asks me if I like horses. And then he starts talking about this girl he knew in fifth grade who ran around on a playground making horse noises? And I’m like, ooookay. He’s talking about horses and he’s all over the place. I can’t really figure out what he’s trying to say. Then he tells me I look like this girl. Weird, right?”

I ask, “Was there a love connection?”

“Haa, I don’t think so. I kept walking.”

I hear this, and it hits me: that’s Brad P’s horse opener. Hilarious. I wonder if the streets are filled with aspiring PUAs dropping routines, or if this was a rare occurrence. I didn’t mention to her that I knew about the horse routine.

The whole episode got me to thinking about pickup routines. A lot of the routines sparkle on paper (or on a monitor) but when you are out there in the real world, interacting like a human being, they sound clumsy and ridiculous coming out of your mouth.

Which brings me to a very simple formula I use for determining whether a pickup tactic would work. When I read about it, I think “Can I see myself saying that?” I imagine a real life scenario — let’s say, an approach at the supermarket by the deli meats — and I picture myself saying the exact words in a routine to a cute girl. If I can’t even imagine that happening without cringing a little on the inside, then I know it’s useless as an opener. But if I could picture myself saying it without losing any coolness points, I know it’s a winner.

No slight to Brad P, who is a smart guy and knows a lot about pickup and women, but the horse opener is one I could never see a normal man saying to a woman in most typical circumstances without looking and feeling weird, to both himself and to his target. I understand the goal of getting a girl’s interest by shocking her with something out of the ordinary, but the majority of men — normal guys who aren’t street magicians and who work 9-5 jobs — will not be able to talk about horses and playgrounds with a girl they just met without feeling like an idiot or a clown.

If an opener or routine doesn’t strike you as something you could hear a normal, cool man saying, then use it with caution. You have to be particularly talented, composed and articulate to attract a girl running a (relatively) long-winded routine like the horse opener. Most naturals who do well with women usually keep their first, introductory words short and sweet. The shorter and more normal-sounding an opener (without being banal), the likelier the average guy will succeed with it.

This is not to say that Brad P’s horse opener can’t work. In special circumstances, say at a bar or event where you have a quasi-captive audience who can sit through a lengthy routine without scuttling away for the bus or a taxi, the horse opener can shine. And, in Brad P’s defense, I could tell the girl in the above conversation was kind of intrigued by the guy, even though there was no number exchange. What probably killed his chances was his delivery, which sounded atrocious if the girl’s retelling was accurate.

This is the crux of why short and sweet openers are the way to go. If you’re new to the game, it’ll be a lot less intimidating to approach girls if you have a stock two or three openers no longer than a handful of words in length each. Memorizing long, complicated routines that require precision comedic timing is going to dishearten newbies when girls react to them with confusion, and eventually turn them into spiteful haters who write anti-PUA sites.

A good example of the kind of short n’ sweet n’ normal-sounding opener I’m talking about is one of Roosh’s day game openers, which, paraphrasing, goes something like “Where’s the nearest pet store?” It’s kind of an interesting question to ask a girl, because most single men aren’t looking for a pet store, especially if they live in the city. She’ll answer, and then you have your window of opportunity to jump into a funny routine about your cat Fluffy needing gourmet food, or something. And, more importantly, there’s little chance that even an aspie nerd will stutter or mumble while saying this opener.

Here is a list of the key ingredients of a solid opener, in descending order of importance:

1. Can you see yourself saying it? If yes, go to (2). If no, ask yourself if it would work in specific scenarios, and try it out.

2. Is it short and grammatically simple enough to memorize without struggling to remember the words in the heat of the moment? If yes, go to (3). If no, ask yourself if you are sufficiently verbally fluent and mentally dextrous to pull it off, then try it out.

3. Is it normal-sounding? If yes, use with impunity on all types of girls, including lawyers. If no, try it out on indie chicks with lots of tattoos.





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  1. Solid post. Thanks.

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  2. on August 25, 2011 at 4:57 pm (R)evoluzione

    Canned routines from gamesmen are like rhymes from rappers who can’t freestyle. The best lyricists and artists can spontaneously riff with their instrument, whether it’s spoken word or guitar licks. Thus internal game, and rapier-quick wit trumps all routines.

    [Heartiste: There’s nothing wrong with a canned routine as long as it’s easy to recall and doesn’t sound stilted. Canned routines are a great aid to seducers if they can make them sound natural.]

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    • on August 25, 2011 at 6:56 pm Rollo Tomassi

      True, but even ‘improvised’ guitar licks are still built upon a solid base of a series of learned patterns that harmonize within a given key of music.

      A good musician practices his scales until they’re subconscious, then he can improvise with them. Likewise a good player should cater their learned approaches to the tune of the woman and the environment.

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      • Ya, canned routines are for guys who are starting out. They don’t understand WHY something like Horse Girl works (commanding attention, creating a mystery, building tension, accusing, relieving the tension, roleplaying a reconciliation, setting a frame and callback humor, etc.). But describing the concepts and expecting a newbie to make his own stuff up is a big scary task for the newbie, so PUAs who’ve been around give them structured canned routines to use as training wheels.

        Once they get out there and test it all out and start to learn why it sometimes works for them and sometimes doesn’t and they slowly learn to calibrate everything and figure out the internal side of things, then they can drop those canned routines and wing it.

        The horse guy in the story is just some guy who’s learning. You can tell just from how she described his opening. He might NOT have the personality for something like horsegirl, that’s what he’s going to be figuring out in the next few months if he sticks to it.

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      • (commanding attention, creating a mystery, building tension, accusing, relieving the tension, roleplaying a reconciliation, setting a frame and callback humor, etc.)

        I’ve never come across material that details these building blocks of public speaking and conversation. I also don’t know where examples of routines are.

        Any suggestions?

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      • Commanding attention = body language and voice tonality, try this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsbHpL5OlLE

        Creating a mystery and building tension = she doesn’t know wtf you’re talking about with this horse story but you’re presenting it as something very clearly awesome, so she’s intrigued and listens. Watch videos of good story-tellers and your natural friends who captivate their audience and how they build up to a punchline and speak slowly with pauses, etc.

        Accusing = “and YOU look JUST like her! :)” this puts her on the spot and is a bit of a neg (she should laugh, not be scared/offended)

        Relieving the tension and roleplaying = building rapport, here’s where you tell her you wanted to apologize to the weird horse girl for being mean to her and she plays the role of the horse girl while you “apologize” and hug her

        Frame/callback humor = Standard game stuff, you’ve set a frame and now you can always reference it and use it as an in-joke between the two of you.

        These are all really basic game concepts. Start at http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/ and go from there.

        Keep in mind this is really old-school game, like 2004-style shit. There are faster and more efficient methods out there these days that focus on internal game in the PUA community, this old-school stuff was very roundabout and often led to “dancing monkey syndrome” because guys didn’t really focus on their inner game back then and they came off like the guy in the article.

        But just because it’s old doesn’t mean it doesn’t work and isn’t based in concepts that work, that’s all I’m pointing out to the poster who decried it as a terrible opener that wouldn’t work well.

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      • @Rollo..solid as always.

        I have tried and worked successfully:

        1) The Cube…I did it twice, and the girls were fascinated by it…great rapport builder. One even kept bringing up the findings long after.

        2) The “You have 3 smiles” routine…it works in the right context….the girl’s eyes light up…it’s short, not supplicating and sounds genuine if you’re in “Comfort” stage and neeed to drop a sincere sounding compliment.

        3) I haven’t tried but have considered the “Do you want to kiss me?” routine…This I can see working.

        4) I’ve tried and succeessfully used the routine of: Her: “Do you have a girlfriend?”
        Me: “No, I’m really picky…in fact there’s a test….
        Her: intrigued…”test? Really?

        After that if they’ve been giving IOI’s they always say they want to take it….

        That routine is pure gold…it’s cocky-funny, surprising and totally reframes the question.

        Anyone need references, checkout http://www.seductionbase.com they’re in there…

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      • @Rollo…pure gold as always..

        Here are the routines I’ve used successfully…

        1) The Cube…it takes some practice but the two girls I did it on were so intrigued. Context was important…in one case I did it in bed…she loved it.

        2) The “You have 3 smiles” routine is a great one when you’re dancing or chatting with a girl moving into “Comfort” stage and need some way of expressing interest without supplicating….”You know, you have 3 smiles…” pure gold….her eyes light up.

        3) The routine: She asks: “Do you have a girlfriend?”
        Me: “No, in fact I’m really picky….there’s a test…
        Her: Test? really?
        Me: Yah…not sure if you’re ready to take it…
        Her; Go on…come on….
        If you’re getting major IOI’s it’s worth it. The fact she’s asking is an IOI and a shit test.

        4) The routine I know would work but haven’t tried it yet is the:
        “Do you want to kiss me?” routine.
        I have gotten those big doggie dinner bowl eyes from girls….I haven’t tried this one yet but I can see this working in that context.

        They need practice but work if you can simplify them and make them sound natural.

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      • Where are those routines you mentioned written down? Are they in books only – or are they outlined on webpages also?

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      • xsplat go to seductionbase dot com it’s a great resource

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    • on August 29, 2011 at 6:06 pm (r)Evoluzione

      It’s true, routines need to sound natural. Anything one does in the field must sound and feel natural, authentic, and genuine. Some people have a hard enough time sounding authentic with original material, let alone something written by others.

      So do you recommend the series of questions to get to know her likes & dislikes & quirks? A.K.A Mystery’s C1?

      It’s been mentioned here before (mostly by commenters) that if a woman is spending time with you, you’ve done enough DHV and/or aloof game to get initial attraction, so it’s time to move into the comfort stage & really find out who she is–and possibly qualify her more in the process.

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    • What if Cigstache’s standing around scratching herself thinking “man, this’s totally the horse opener” and then BAM it’s not? DHV on a higher astral plane, princess.

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  3. Part of it is salesmanship. Remember in Reservoir Dogs when the undercover cop has to learn a story that he can tell – he recites it again and again and again until it is a part of him and he knows every detail about it. I bet a lot of pickup routines are recited without much practice – the result being that the mark can tell when someone does not believe his own story.

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  4. Did her name happen to be Catherine the Great?

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  5. Weird, upon reading that, I could have sworn that R also recommended or mentioned the horse routine in a blog post a year ago.

    I remember running the cube for the first time and I was thinking, this can’t sound great. So, great, learn something that feels normal.

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  6. Roissy:

    Sollliiiiddd.

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  7. The more I try, the more I am convinced that anything you say will work if your body language is cool and you don’t look like you have been drafted into Mordor’s army

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    • Routines are good because they allow you to just start talking without any awkward pauses that pop up if you have to think about what to say.

      In other words, routines help cool guys from appearing awkward, but routines don’t help awkward guys appear cool.

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    • If you’re a charming, interesting person it does help a lot with seduction.

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  8. I thought the punchline was “you look just like the horse!”

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  9. Actually, this Brad P routine sounds like a shortened version of one of those NLP scripts, I think it was about Erik Erickson and the turkeys or something.

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  10. I imagine that poor aspiring pua joining puahate and blabbering about “this game thing is bullshit” and “bradp is a crook”.
    I never read bradp’s work except his fashion bible, but maybe he should have emphasized the importance of bodylanguage.
    Canned material is great (david deangelo and Savoy came up with some of the best lines), but useless without a strong BL, a tight inner game, and conversation skills. A good line is useless if there’s no follow up.

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    • There’s so much talk about the importance of body language and how big a difference it makes in pickups. I always thought I have pretty good body language, at least whenever I bothered to check myself.

      But my field experience is not consistent with the benefits good body language brings…how can I tell if I actually have good BL? Perhaps my BL deteriorates in field? Is this something that must be evaluated by a third person?

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  11. on August 25, 2011 at 5:57 pm Artful Dodger

    My favorite grocery store line. Wait until the girl take something off the shelf and simply say:

    “That’s not healthy.”

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    • I’m stealing that.

      I like to use “Don’t be so (negative adjective that has nothing to do with appearance), it makes you look fat.”

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      • And have you had any success with that as an opener? I could see that working if delivered in a playful way with a girl you already have rapport with (and even then it’s dangerous). But to anyone else “you look fat” is not a neg, just a rude insult.

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    • That’s great. Adding it to my list of Roissy one-liners.

      One thing I like to do is set up games. Example:

      (Walking up to the hostess)
      Me: We have an emergency. Total disaster.
      Her: omg what
      Me: Our reservation is for 4…. but…….. we have 5.
      Her: Haha it’s okay you will be fine!

      (Walking out)
      Me: Two questions.
      Her: mhm what
      Me: Where are the toothpicks?
      Her: OHH they’re over there on the bar
      Me: Cool. And what’s your number?
      Her: Omggggg (grabs pen)

      I set up games like this with everyone.

      On the topic of openers, I think there’s way, way too much emphasis on them. I guess since many guys don’t get past that point openers became a ‘thing.’ Probably a symptom of the bar scene where sometimes one convo is all it takes.

      There used to be some PUA meme about approaching within the first 3 second, I haven’t heard it for a while. The only situation where I know that’s the right move is if I see a >80% female group, because that nut will only crack under a good rap. But if there’s a good mix, it’s good to ignore target (and her closest friend) for a while. Maybe 3/5 of the venue length. Of course she’s checking you out, so when you finally do give her some attention, you get the ‘interested’ look.

      Lately, I won’t even interact with her unless I have something with grip. When she’s giving you ‘the look,’ you have grip. Later on, don’t downsize to smalltalk. You’re not in. Hold off. Wait for emotional grip. Chin up, slow-pace, funny. Natural. That’s grip. Don’t try and make it happen whenever you want, that’s a DLV. Get better at making grip last longer and making it more intense.

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  12. I got slapped after the last time I used the “horse cocka” opener.

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  13. used the horse opener twice a long time ago. the first girl showed interest (but i couldn’t carry on for logistical reasons) and the second girl made an uncomfortable face like she wanted to leave. at best it’s probably just an interchangeable opener, she’s not going to suddenly think “oh my gawwwd he thinks I’m that girl how embarrassing!”

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  14. An interesting opener that i use frequently. It works better than i thought when i read it for the first time:

    Me “Hi”
    Hb “Hi”
    Me “I don’t want to talk to you”
    Hb “Ummm Ok”
    Me “I don’t think, we should hang out, Ever”
    Hb “That’s probably a good idea!”
    Me “Yes, and you should never ever give me your phone number, because I would never call it,”
    Hb “Ok, I won’t”
    (by now she get’s the joke and is probably has a smile if you are doing it right)
    Me “So, you definitely shouldn’t put your number down on this piece of paper, because I will definitely not call you”

    I crashed and burned with a few chicks who had a stratospheric bitch shield, but most of the time, it leads to a playful conversation and a successful pickup. A couple of girls wrote down a phony number first, then corrected it after a while.
    I’m an inner game addict so i don’t give much credit to the openers. But if you don’t find something situational or witty to say, better to have some back up.

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  15. @Heartiste:
    “What probably killed his chances was his delivery …”
    @gig:
    “The more I try, the more I am convinced that anything you say will work if your body language is cool …”

    This is money. Women are fantastic experts at picking up on non-verbal cues – they already know a lot about you (without even trying to figure you out) before you even open your mouth. If your inner game is solid, you could recite the alphabet as an opener with success. The Chateau hits it out of the park once again by the 1-2-3 test for a good opener … bravo!

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  16. on August 25, 2011 at 6:31 pm Shrimp Po Boy

    I always liked the, “Are you ?” opener.

    Perfectly innocuous and there are so many threads that spring from it. Family, Travel, History, etc.

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  17. on August 25, 2011 at 6:32 pm Shrimp Po Boy

    That was supposed to say, Are you – insert ethnicity – opener.

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  18. I think that the problem with this kind of approach – having this or any complex script – is something you should aim to avoid. It’s so inflexible – and meaningless, unless you get to the conclusion – that you have a good 20 seconds of monologue to deliver, and that’s plenty of time to be sized up, and discarded on any one of a dozen pretexts. It *might* be a good opener if you’re really inventive, but if you’re that inventive, you really don’t need such a specific opener,

    * It’s fundamentally flawed because it’s you talking. If she’s interested or engaged, she’d rather be talking about herself.
    * It’s unmysterious. You’re revealing all sorts of childhood experiences – nobody’s interested in that except your analyst. It also makes you look like you’re living in the past. Looking BACK.
    * The approach looks like you’re (desperately) trying to build rapport. She has rapport with her yoga instructor. She has nothing with you at the moment, and talking about a female that (by implication) was part of your life before you became an adult, is a distraction.
    * It’s unserious. We know they’re all like Tiger Beat Fangirls at heart, but you’re not, Alphas have their minds on more weighty issues, with eyes on the future, looking FORWARD.
    * If her hamster wakes up, it’ll remind her of how it felt riding the mechanical horse at the shopping mall, not that you might make her feel the same way, given half a chance.

    Be mysterious. Be challenging. Be exciting. Cultivate aloofness. Speak slowly,

    Canned openings are a great crutch if you lack confidence, but without the ability to evolve the conversation, they’ll do you no good. Wherever possible, push her to do the talking so you can concentrate on the body language and verbal cues that she will see as building empathy, but not conceding ground. You obviously have to do more than stand there and grunt ‘uh-huh’ and ‘right!’. Open-ended questions, that can lead to challenges –

    For example.

    You: Excuse me – do you ride – horses?
    Her: Err, what? I don’t understand?
    You: Well, I know – well, knew – someone about 10 years ago who used to ride in competitions, and you reminded me of someone she knew.

    I hate to break it to the ‘method men’, but this is as far as a canned routine will get you, but you don’t need MUCH more bravery to react to:

    Her: No, God, I hate horses! Blah blah blah
    You: Well, to tell you the truth, I’m not much of a fan either! I thought all women were meant to like ponies!

    or

    Her: OMG! I had EVERY ‘My Little Pony’ as a kid! blah blah blah
    You: Well, I can’t say I was that much of a fan. I remember that He-Man was more my style – how many different My Little Pones ARE there?

    or

    Her: Jeez, I’m gonna call the cops!
    You: Lady, I AM a cop! What’s wrong?

    or
    .. whatever.

    The objective is to get her talking. Once you’ve achieved that, no script is going to help you unless she walks back into a close. Don’t waste time on “101 Killer Closes for Any Occasion”. You only need 3 or 4, and you have to be totally confortable using them. They’re just like a crowbar being used on a door. You don’t know what’s behind the door, and the chances are that it won’t be what you planned. So don’t make detailed plans.

    Concentrate on general principles. While she’s talking, you can be thinking. You don’t even have to say a lot – the old rule of 2:1 her:you. The less she knows about you, and the more you know about her, the better.

    Open-ended questions, and broad, challengeable observations that aren’t utterly ridiculous.

    If you’re near the street, you can usually initiate low-risk kino too, steering her out of the way of other pedestrians – and it’s easier to do if she’s talking.

    So, canned routines are like any other bad habit, because they’re a crutch that avoid you confronting a lack of inner game, which you have to master to some degree, if you ever expect to have much success.

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    • “* It’s fundamentally flawed because it’s you talking. If she’s interested or engaged, she’d rather be talking about herself.”

      KJ-theory. She’s not interested or engaged yet, you’ve just cold approached a complete stranger. They aren’t walking around dying to spill their life stories to anyone who says “Hi.” (until you have your body language and subcommunications down, where you can get away with big long story openers or simple “Hey, who are you?” openers)

      “* It’s unmysterious. You’re revealing all sorts of childhood experiences – nobody’s interested in that except your analyst. It also makes you look like you’re living in the past. Looking BACK.”

      This is KJ-theory. It builds a connection, shows vulnerabilty, humility (since he’s apologizing for making fun of the horse girl, go find the full opener to see that part since it’s not in this article), etc.

      “* The approach looks like you’re (desperately) trying to build rapport. She has rapport with her yoga instructor. She has nothing with you at the moment, and talking about a female that (by implication) was part of your life before you became an adult, is a distraction.”

      You just said the opener was flawed because she should be talking about herself, and now you say she has no rapport with you, so which is it? KJ-theory. Also talking about other girls shows you have interactions with women, which there was an article JUST the other day on this very site about women being attracted to men who other women are attracted to. You’re spouting white-knight nonsense here.

      “* It’s unserious. We know they’re all like Tiger Beat Fangirls at heart, but you’re not, Alphas have their minds on more weighty issues, with eyes on the future, looking FORWARD.”

      KJ-ing again. Alphas look forward when they need to, but they’re fine with stopping to smell the roses and fuck around. They don’t need to focus on the mission 24/7 because they know they’ll accomplish it. Watch interviews with George Pitt and Brad Clooney and watch how much they just fuck around.

      “* If her hamster wakes up, it’ll remind her of how it felt riding the mechanical horse at the shopping mall, not that you might make her feel the same way, given half a chance.”

      KJ nonsense. Go pickup some chicks. 😛

      This is a great opener when you understand WHY it works. It’s like how a car has wheels, a way to steer them, and an area for a person to sit…the way you shape those together and the forms you put around them can be done a million different ways, but the core structure is what counts. That’s why BradP has a “create your own shocker” fill-in-the-blanks thing in his course, so after you fully understand the core concepts involved in Horsegirl you can create your own openers that use the same concepts but is relevant to your own life.

      I actually agree with the entire rest of your post, I just think your views on canned openers are ridiculous and your opinions on this being flawed is based on ignorance. I don’t even use this opener (though I understand it thoroughly), and personally I improvise my stuff on the fly and say way more outrageous stuff than most guys will, but I don’t like someone slandering something useful with bad KJ arguments.

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    • Totally agree.

      These routine / story openers are dancing-monkey behaviour!

      Opening with “Hi I wanted to meet you” will do more for your inner-game, BL and voice-tone than thousands of low risk opinion openers.

      Also having the woman do the work in the conversation is the way to go.

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  19. Here’s a better use of somebody else’s schtick for recreational purposes…

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  20. Every aspect of your game should be congruent with your personality. I could never see myself using the horse routine, but I know men whose personalities would fit that routine perfectly.

    Learning how to match your routines to your personality is something that isn’t stressed enough and will be completely neglected by gurus who rely exclusively on canned material.

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  21. It works for BradP because he delivers it well. He talks slow and deep and captures the chick’s attention, uses massive pauses in his delivery to build suspense, etc. But most guys who read it online just spit it out as fast as they can because they’re worried the girl will leave if they don’t get to the punchline as fast as possible, which sounds to the girl like he’s “all over the place”.

    BradP does it in a challenging, accusing (breaking rapport) way. Guys trying to copy just based off his text do it in an approval seeking, needy way.

    You can hear his delivery in his “The Underground Dating Seminar” which is one of the better “no fuzzy hats and black nailpolish” PUA products out there in my opinion. He actually sounds like a cool chill guy when he talks and you can see why the things he says work for him. One of his students asks “What if she calls you out on it?” “Doesn’t matter. If you’re like “Hey do you like horses?” and she goes “Isn’t that that BradP line–” “No shut up. DO you like horses?”” He expects them to fall in line, and that’s why it works for him.

    Women don’t walk away when you have your subcommunications down and exude alpha behavior (like the vibe that you EXPECT them to listen to you and answer you). You can command “HEY! Come here.” from across a room and just stare the girl down like you expect her to come over, and she will. Same time you can run a 5 minute opener and blab away like Russell Brand. When your subcommunications are down you can do pretty much anything you want.

    Don’t get caught up in “canned” VS “improvised” Hang around for long periods of time with any of the naturally social people you know and you’ll find they all repeat their same stories to people (sometimes even to you, forgetting that they’ve told you before) with the same wording, emphasis, etc. ie – canned routines. It’s not a bad thing. The trick is understanding that the routine isn’t magical, it’s what you’re displaying during the routine that affects things.

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    • You’re mentioning a congruence of inner game and polished showmanship and oratory skills.

      I’d like to riff off that by quoting from something seemingly off topic, that Kronos1978 recently wrote:

      #

      When female mice encounter pheromones of dominant males, some regions in their brain grow, and these regions in turn process pheromones –> this is a self-reinforcing process, which leads to even bigger attraction for the dominant males, because the females become even more receptive to their specific pheromones. The whole process in females DOES NOT occur, when they encounter pheromones of subordinate or castrated males.

      And one more thing: Women don’t prefer psychopaths, they want strong, independent, dominant men. These traits are often found in psychos, but much more often in “normal men”. It’s never black and white, there are 253 varieties of grey in between.

      …and you don’t have to do such sophisticated science: Much simpler, it has been shown that oxytocin administration increases interpersonal trust, whereas testosterone decreases it. Makes perfectly sense to me.
      High T, low Oxy: Don’t trust other, rather dominate other or even fight
      Low T, high Oxy: Don’t fight, trust others.

      Like it or not, we are not as miraculous as many would like us to be, we are just supercomplex biochemical machines, that can be understood

      And then bring in Rollos image that a man who is in a seduction phase of dating should be spinning many plates.

      So we see that there is a whole gestalt at play here, in order to make the words work.

      Everyone has noticed that if you make a great connection on the internet with someone, it can fall apart in the next higher bandwidth communication of a phone conversation. And if you continue to click on the phone, it can all instantly fall apart when meeting in person. To that I always say that no dating relationship is real until you can smell the person.

      So in order for your game to work, you have to smell right. In order to smell right, you have to be successfully spinning many plates. Success builds on success. You need to build congruence. In order to more easily build your number count, you need to already have a high number count. The oratory skills can’t be practiced in isolation of your inner game skills.

      It’s an integrated, enmeshed system – that literally exudes out of your pores. If you don’t smell right, getting the words down – like you can on the phone – won’t work to create the needed impression.

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    • You’re mentioning a congruence of inner game and polished showmanship and oratory skills.

      I’d like to riff off that by quoting from something seemingly off topic, that Kronos1978 recently wrote:

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      When female mice encounter pheromones of dominant males, some regions in their brain grow, and these regions in turn process pheromones –> this is a self-reinforcing process, which leads to even bigger attraction for the dominant males, because the females become even more receptive to their specific pheromones. The whole process in females DOES NOT occur, when they encounter pheromones of subordinate or castrated males.

      And one more thing: Women don’t prefer p s y c h opaths, they want strong, independent, dominant men. These traits are often found in p s y c h o s, but much more often in “normal men”. It’s never black and white, there are 253 varieties of grey in between.

      …and you don’t have to do such sophisticated science: Much simpler, it has been shown that oxytocin administration increases interpersonal trust, whereas testosterone decreases it. Makes perfectly sense to me.
      High T, low Oxy: Don’t trust other, rather dominate other or even fight
      Low T, high Oxy: Don’t fight, trust others.

      Like it or not, we are not as miraculous as many would like us to be, we are just supercomplex biochemical machines, that can be understood

      And then bring in Rollos image that a man who is in a seduction phase of dating should be spinning many plates.

      So we see that there is a whole gestalt at play here, in order to make the words work.

      Everyone has noticed that if you make a great connection on the internet with someone, it can fall apart in the next higher bandwidth communication of a phone conversation. And if you continue to click on the phone, it can all instantly fall apart when meeting in person. To that I always say that no dating relationship is real until you can smell the person.

      So in order for your game to work, you have to smell right. In order to smell right, you have to be successfully spinning many plates. Success builds on success. You need to build congruence. In order to more easily build your number count, you need to already have a high number count. The oratory skills can’t be practiced in isolation of your inner game skills.

      It’s an integrated, enmeshed system – that literally exudes out of your pores. If you don’t smell right, getting the words down – like you can on the phone – won’t work to create the needed impression.

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      • And back to smelling right – if you are dating, but only one other girl – you will tend to have your T lowered as you shift into domestic mode.

        And Kronos1978 gave us a great tool to understand how beta traits include cooperation. The socially beneficial traits of group cooperation are beta, and smell wrong to girls. Testosterone makes men act more around their own concerns, rather than the concern of the group.

        Obviously being alpha doesn’t make you a better and more admirable person – from the point of view of the group, it can make you a worse person. But to women, it’s more attractive to habitually be selfish. And if you are successful with women, that will raise your T, and you WILL become more selfish.

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      • Another interesting addendum to this is that women who begin living in close proximity to one another (like a college dorm for instance) will gradually synchronize their ovulatory cycles. This evolutionary phenomenon is also the result of a pheromone trigger among human females.

        There are two suspected latent purposes for this: the more popular one (for women) is that concurrent gestations and pregnancy would promote an interspecies cooperative effort in parental investment (i.e. it takes a village to raise a child). The other, less pretty purpose is that it aids in achieving multiple concurrent fertilizations by one (or few) Alpha male of the collective. Thus insuring his selected for genetic material would be spread amongst, and cared for by, the largest pool of women living collectively.

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      • I’m not clear on how it makes it easier for one or a few men to impregnate the group. Orgies? Brief spurts of mate protection while the girls are fertile?

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      • A man living under the same roof with preteen girls, where he is not their biological father (e.g., stepfather, mom’s live-in boyfriend), will trigger early ovulation/menstruation in the girls.

        Mother Nature is a sex maniac.

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      • Mother nature is also all sorts of kinky.

        Our genes hold memories of all the successful sexual exploits of all our forefathers. Imagine all the weird kinky shit that went down that produced babies.

        Those successes are encoded in your personal primal desires.

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      • Science is always shocked to come home early and catch mother nature giving the mailman a blowjob.

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      • Lord Valtrex,

        a man who’s not biological father will trigger early menstruation? That’s interesting. Where did you read it?

        I have a theory (based on my experience) that it’s not good for young girls to live with a man who’s not their father because of his sexual attraction to them.
        There are lots of cases of sexual abuse from men who are not the biological fathers of the girl but live with her – maybe because they are not very interested in “protecting” her since she’s not the daughter … I don’t know, I made this last statement up. But I’ve also heard from a psychiatrist that even biological fathers can be sexually attracted to their daughters. (nothing wrong with that, because they probably can ignore these feelings, especially if they are not alcoholics/abusing drugs).
        Does anybody have any experience with this?

        P.S. Heartiste, do me a favor – is it possible to block a user or even prevent somebody from viewing this blog?
        I promised myself I will never again post on this blog, because I have tons of other things to do, but I’m just totally addicted :S

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      • on August 26, 2011 at 8:23 pm old guy, lower case

        @Maya

        “I have a theory (based on my experience) that it’s not good for young girls to live with a man who’s not their father because of his sexual attraction to them.”

        You’ve got that backwards, it’s not good for young girls to live with a man not there father because of their sexual attraction to HIM. Jail, you know.

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      • old guy, lower case,

        read the article Lord Valtrex posted – you can see that young girls have no interest in sex with these men.

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      • Dude,I think you got it backwards. From what I have read of this in-sync menstruation stuff,the purpose is to promote gentic diversity by THWARTING the alpha male. With all the ‘girls” being fertile just about the same time,its likely he cant keep his eyes on the prize(s) w/o a few getting some beta action behind his V-shaped back. He cant screw all the girls at the same time. With random fertility,the alpha can fuck the fertiles as they come on line. Think of Lucy and Ethel in the candy factory:When the candy was coming out slow,they wrapped them easily. As the candy came out faster and faster,it became impossible to handle,with Lucy stuffing candy into her hat,her mouth,her panties etc.

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      • on August 29, 2011 at 9:57 pm (r)Evoluzione

        Rollo, the latest studies coming out on this topic are verrrry interesting. It appears that exposure to male ejaculate is a prerequisite for female menstrual synchronization. Wish I could remember where, but it appears that lesbians and nuns neither experience menstrual synchrony. Only hetero chicks, at least some of whom are banging & blowing, will do this.

        It’s an open question as to whether or not this aids genetic diversity, but I believe it might, because the one alpha can’t quite be servicing all the broads in his harem at once, especially if he’s got a big harem. Other research shows that a man’s sperm counts drop after a few ejaculations in succession within 48 hours. He may still make great wood, and plenty of volume of semen, but the swimmers take time to regenerate. So if all the bitches are in heat at once, it makes sense that there’s going to be some “extra-pair copulations” going on. Which is why royal harems in cultures the world over employed eunuchs as the harem guards.

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      • So the chicks synchronize menstruation only if they have been sexually active. The sperm is a trigger for *something* that has evolutionary advantage. If it’s a trigger to be impregnated by sneaky fucker sperm, then we have to add category #3 to our sexual strategy castes. Alpha, Beta, and Sneaky Fucker. The sneaky fuckers are fucked preferentially over the Alphas, evolutionarily speaking!

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      • Xsplat, I’d consider the Sneaky Fucker a special case of alpha adaptation. Something akin to patterns represented by Odin – Loki or Ace – Jolly Joker.

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      • I’m not familiar with Odin, Loki, or Ace, but I think I recognize Odin as some Norse god, and Loki as some mischievous Hindu god.

        If the sneaky fucker/cad is a subtype of Alpha, then he is not the “leader of men” type of alpha. He’s not the jock at your high-school – he’s the hipster, the stoner, the slacker, or the hippy.

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      • @ (r) Evoluzione:

        Would be interested to see links to back up your note about only sexually active women synchronizing their menstrual periods, because anecdotally, it doesn’t hold up. As a teenager, long before I was sexually active, I would synchronize with my three younger sisters and mom…unless it’s the case that just *one* woman needs to be active (in this case, my mother), and pulls the non-active women along with her into her cycle. Also, among a close circle of female friends at a very conservative Christian school, we synchronized…most of us were virgins at that point..again, there might have been the odd sexually active one in the bunch, but it was the exception. In any case, it obviously isn’t that clear cut.

        Not saying there isn’t anything to it…but again…women experience this all the time, from puberty onwards, regardless of sexual activity.

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      • Xsplat, both Odin and Loki were gods of the Norse pantheon.

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      • More thoughts on the sneaky fucker sexual strategy as archetype:

        He’s not a type A personality. Not driven to power.

        Some birds have transvestite sneaky fuckers that use their sexual camouflage to get in close to guarded female mates. So the sneaky fucker doesn’t rely on overt signals of masculinity.

        In humans the personality of the S.F. is the smooth seducer. He may live in his parents basement and not have a car, he may not be well built. He doesn’t rely on all the type A signals of fitness that are obvious dominance over males. He relies on social skills and bedroom skills with women.

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      • More historical POV. Power can be acquired by different means. Or one can say there are different types of power. One overt, another covert.

        SF/Loki was still analpha, but his strategy was to be the man behind the curtain or close to bed curtains. He was a survivalist. While the overt alpha Freiherr von Waldenstein got a dagger in his back when his eyesight was fading and hands shaking, courtesy of his cousin, or was hacked by Saracenes on a remote battlefield, SF/minstrel nudged affairs by manipulating and innuendo, and were having fun at that. While the A type Alpha was predominantly a tragic figure, for SF, it was all a great comedy.

        Ladies still love minstrels these days, though minstrels don’t need to be SFs anymore. A good minstrel gets a veritable serail in a form of groupies. Pols and big kahunas of industries–not so, they are more socially constricted.

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      • 1. Building civilization needs high degree of cooperation and yet it is primarily built by men the sex that has higher testosterone.
        2. Historically speaking the kind of people who is most beneficial to their society are supremely unshakable confident alpha males, they are the diffrence between winners and losers, for having them on your side means having the superior males therefore having higher survival and propagation probability. Genghis khan benefits mongolians, charlamagne benefits franks, prince vladimir benefits russians, emperor qin shi benifits chinese etc etc. We are all descendants of the asshole alphas who wiped out their weaker neighbouring alphas and got their women e.g. the conquistadors. society benefits by having high-t alphaish businessmen, investors, soldiers, firemen, cops, surgeons and most of all by having better leadership (very high-t individuals) etc etc.
        3. It’s one thing to see lab test with one variable and another thing to understand the dynamics of testosterone under a different set of parameters with many many variables and filters. testosterone effects on interpersonal relations is not necessarily the same thing as it’s effect on organization, society at large, or vitality of that society which will be higher e.g. americans vs indians .
        4. Imo being an alpha over women doesn’t necessarily apply to other subjects and vice versa, the dyanmics are different and they are modified by the different circumstances we live under. Imo there exists many dimnensions of alpha, e.g. there are alphas over men, alphas over women, alphas over the masses etc etc even though most alphas have similar characteristics and their skills are transferrable.

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    • on August 29, 2011 at 9:18 pm Obstinance Works

      I think the fact that aspiring PUAs think they have a magic bullet with these canned lines and it motivates them to sarge and sarge until they are naturals. Positive thinking is big, real big, to a PUA. If you can always think positive, keep your head up, and plow through anything; you can become great. Even when you are great in your own eyes, and you have blinders on, you will accomplish more than you would with a constantly pessimistic outlook. Who cares what people think anyway. If they don’t like you, they suck. Fuck em.

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  22. Great post. In the early days, when your inner game is a fragile sapling, you will need a few canned openers. Prevents you from being bogged down thinking up your first words to her.

    But it must be suitable. In fairness to the mystery method, he had a quite detailed discussion about congruence tests by women. But trouble with a lot of commercial PUAs is that they don’t point about the importance of being socially plausible to their often mildly awkward seminar audiences

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  23. Anything is better than hanging back and acting confused. Put on some dont- giva- shit armor and press on. This approach, all by itself, registers with the gina-brain.

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    • I’ve seen a few you tube vids where the guys are just messing with people, spitting out stupid, stupid routines, and having success. I guess they were linked to from this site – the guy was doing nerd game, and had to reference nerd shit, like star trek or w.o.w.

      Ok, fine – pure bluster and confidence can work.

      But only if you are relatively handsome. That can only build on physical attraction – it can’t create it. That’s just being in her face.

      If you are of below average looks, you need way more finesse than just standing there and saying “see how confident I am?!”. You need to display and focus on some OTHER attractive trait – not just being physically attractive and confident. Humor, for instance.

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      • You’re missing everything that’s going on in those “Simple Pickup” videos. ( http://www.youtube.com/user/SimplePickup ) Those guys have studied pickup and use a ton of PUA concepts and routines.

        What they have isn’t “pure bluster and confidence” and above average looks. There are a dozen subtle subcommunications going on in how they approach women that allow the random/offensive stuff they say to not just work but build attraction.

        I won’t get into it all, study pickup literature, go out and approach girls, observe naturals, etc. like the rest of us had to but here are a few things to watch for in their vids:

        – congruency. If a girl tests them, they stick to their story and turn things around on the girl like SHE’S the one being weird.

        – misinterpretation. They misinterpret everything sexually, that’s why they can be talking about masturbation and 3-ways with girls they’ve only just met, they direct the conversation to a sexual topic in a smooth/funny way.

        – frame control. After they say something super offensive, they’ll just stand there and stare the girl down like “ya, I said that.” totally unapologetic and unashamed. A PUA concept is “what you feel, she feels”, so she pings off him to see if he’s embarrassed or apologetic about what he said and when he’s not, she feels like it must be okay. This is why when you go up with an opener you don’t think will work, it won’t work, and when you think it will work, it works.

        – breaking rapport. Their voice tonality is loud, clear, and authoritative. They make statements and accusations and don’t sound like they’re seeking the girl’s approval.

        – body language. They stand up straight and don’t fidget around nervously and hold eye-contact etc.

        There’s a ton of other stuff going on that you’ll see if you study pickup in-depth.

        It has nothing to do with their looks, as long as you think that way you’re in the wrong headspace.

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      • Good stuff.

        I’ve never studied any pickup material. Pickup is the weakest part of game. I’ve often got around that weakness by just setting up dates through the internet, which can work well in SE Asia, and helps to screen out girls who don’t speak English.

        Many of the other game concepts that deal with day to day dealing with women I’m familiar with, so reading general game stuff can bore me.

        It sure would be helpful to find pick up info that focuses on pick up. On meeting the girl – especially in the street.

        Handling a girl after I’ve gotten her to agree that she’s interested isn’t my weakness.

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      • That sort of thing may work for younger guys that are “gaming” young, dumb and naiive women.

        Once a guy gets over the age of about 27, that sort of shtick tends not to work anymore.

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      • Well said. You might call confident bluster game “high hormone game”. Or spring break game.

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  24. What’s up everyone, I have a quick game question regarding a girl I’ve been banging about once a week since the beginning of the year. She invited me to a country music concert on September 11th. Now, I didn’t really care for country before I met her but since I’ve listened to it, I’m a little more open to it and actually do like some songs that I’ve heard. So I told her I’d go…my question is, she is telling me she wants me to wear this American flag shirt in honor of september 11th to the concert.

    Now, I have no problem paying respect to America, acknowledging the date, honoring those involved, etc…but I don’t want to set the tone of letting her tell me what to wear. To add to that, she has also started slipping in other requests…she wants me to stop making posts about controversial things and/or articles on Facebook, she wants me to quit Facebook altogether actually, she wants me to sign all these petitions for things she believes in that I have no interest in either way, etc.

    How do I handle these requests? Just simply acknowledge her and then tell her No? Any advice would help….thank you and much appreciated.

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    • I’d say just follow your accurate instinct. Don’t argue with her about the requests, and don’t comply. If she complains about the non-compliance, act as if she never said anything. Just don’t take her seriously.

      You can cultivate the fine art of not answering. People generally feel that it is socially correct to reply to a question, or a suggestion to do something. Alphas don’t feel that. They will brazenly ignore suggestions and questions as if the woman wasn’t even in the room.

      Neither argue, nor comply.

      There are more specific techniques on how to neither argue nor comply, for instance agree and amplify. “Sure babe, I’ll wear a flag shirt, flag pants, and flag underwear too. Should I bring my flag cape?”

      When in doubt pause, and change the subject.

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    • agreed with xsplat – do not take that step towards betadom.

      don’t let the terrorist win.

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    • on August 26, 2011 at 1:01 pm Obstinance Works

      I think she has a flag fetish. I have a certain t-shirt with an flag on it that turns heads. Just find the right gear you think looks cool and go with it, but do it on your own terms and surprise her. You can’t go wrong with a chick who likes the flag that much.

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    • For wearing the American Flag…if this is important to you…then wear it because you want to…but if she asks….ask her to wear some mini skirt and high heels with stars and stripes on them.

      Always agree and amplify.

      The girl I’m seeing also wants me in various orders to:

      1) Stop talking and dance with the cute girl who’s hitting on me all the time now.
      2) Stop talking to my friend who she claims insulted her but who I bollocked about it months ago and he apologized.

      Agree and amplify…make some cocky remark or just say “Ok….” in some monotone voice and do something else…..

      In my case these shit tests became so much that I actually lost my cool….that’s not good.

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      • I disagree that losing your cool is always no good.

        Some girls won’t let up until you do. Those girls have BPD and wont rest until you get pissed off. Not getting pissed off will only get her to push your buttons harder and harder. Normal girls will respond to anger by backing off. Anger is there for a reason and normally works properly to effect exactly the changes that it’s supposed to.

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      • it’s important to me, but I haven’t seen the shirt yet so I didn’t commit either way…but I didn’t want to give in and start setting up this exchange of when she asks something of me, I do it. It’s my old beta-ness creeping in…I felt myself wanting to say yes, but didn’t really say anything (it was a text message how this all came up) so I didn’t reply and just looked at the bigger picture of what was happening.

        At any rate, thank you all for the replies…Agree and Amplify, Acknowledge and ignore, etc…Love it!

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    • Don’t let her tell you what to wear, don’t let her tell you what to say or think, and for God’s sake don’t sign her stupid petitions.

      Women don’t really give a shit about politics. They’ll change to match your politics if they’re halfway interested in you.

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    • Show her Title IV, Chapter 1, Section 8(d) of the U.S. Code.

      Then hang out at your place listening to the Team America soundtrack instead.

      Good God, man. Control your woman. She lives in your world, not the other way around.

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    • How to handle? Run. Run like hell in opposite direction as fast as possible. Dance with the devil at your own peril.

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    • Okay, but go Team America on her… pack some ballz along with!

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  25. It is off topic, somewhat, and definitely yet to be proved. But Rick Perry of Texas just might be a serious candidate for the title -The master gamer of the modern era.
    Ignore his political nostrums; just study his moves. Then read what girl-reporters report. Even the Eastern Liberal Progressive media whores cannot bring themselves to dislike him. Watch how they keep their lips well apart when he is around – as if they might get lucky. Even as he speaks against everything they say they care about.
    I am a 5th generation Texan, as is he. But my people are generally better looking and have not rented land or anything else since the 1870s.

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  26. This is right on. I’ve never been able to make long routines work – they’re just wrong for my personality. Congruence comes first. Otherwise you come off as a performer who’s not even sure the audience wants to hear the show.

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  27. R. Perrys family rented a farm on Paint Creek, Tx. Paint Creek is a creek, not a town, btw.
    Obama was talented in 2008. Perry just might be the bearer of The Real Thing in 2012.

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    • Nope. The only Texan running, hell the only candidate running, with any Real Thing bona fides is Ron Paul.

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  28. on August 25, 2011 at 10:13 pm Disgruntled Honey

    How do you incorporate happiness into your guilt? Chicks don’t dig guys who are crippled by guilt-ridden depression. But if you are to project an aura of experience with ultra-hot chicks, how can you be but guilty? How do you project (happy, positive) confidence while at the same time acknowledging your own sexual experience?

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    • what’s this guilt thing?

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    • how can you be but guilty

      If you don’t have a natural tinge of sociopathic tendencies that are sexually attractive to women, then the answer to your question is to become inured to feeling and giving heartbreak. This comes from having your heart broken many times, and from breaking hearts. Which is inevitable if you date.

      You get inured.

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      • on August 25, 2011 at 11:02 pm Disgruntled Honey

        Well thanks for accusing me for not having dated, but you seem to be saying that the (horrifying) experiences an “inured” person has had are somehow going to naturally lead to the woman’s acceptance of a (somehow) socially recognizable sociopathy. When in fact, sociopaths are society’s outcasts. They do not exist within the ring of society because society must identify itself *against* them, and deign itself to *speak for* them. How can women who connect with the social world actually *accept* an outcast? The way to think of it is in terms of morals, and how they apply to society-belonging. Because a woman who associates with that which is *outside* society, leaves society herself.

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      • These are all good and interesting questions. You are paying attention for noticing the need for answers to them.

        Have you read much of this blog yet? I think you’ll find they have already been answered here. The answer is not pretty, and incorporating it into your worldview has been likened to taking a pill to extricate yourself from the matrix.

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      • on August 25, 2011 at 11:42 pm Obstinance Works

        Women are less than society without men.

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      • @disgruntled:
        Take the red pill, brother.

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      • Tell that to all the murderers in prison getting flooded with the marriage proposals, from women, every week.

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      • on August 26, 2011 at 8:27 pm old guy, lower case

        When Charles Manson first went to prison they had to use an old store room as an alternate mailroom just for him. Almost all of it was from women, mostly marriage proposals.

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      • I saw a documentary about him, and came to the conclusion that the dude in his prime was a master of charisma.

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      • “Comes from having your heart broken”, or being raped in divorce court.

        Actually, being raped & having to give away half of everything you own, works wonders.

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  29. While I was buying cigarettes I complimented the sales girl on her shoes. Immediately she wanted to know about the rest of the package (i.e herself). So I said that I’m gonna get drunk, write a note and mail it to her. She was making a lot of noise about this. I must admit that I was lost for words on how to respond. So I put my hands in my pockets and and stared at her with, I hope, amusement. This for a few moments. Then I looked at her friend and said that this woman is manipulating me, and that I am feeling like the victim now. They both laughed. I said good bye and left.

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  30. @xsplat and everyone else who may have asked, here is the link to the routines I mention above

    http://seductionbase.com

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  31. Guilt is a paper thin obstacle to real moral progress Anyone can smash thru it by learning to inhale ether.
    Diethyl ether is cheap at any pharmacy. Just soak a tampon with it and take some deep breaths. After that, you will be fully capable of anything at all.

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  32. Question for you guys.

    What does it tell you about a chick if she has a tattoo? Right above her ass?

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  33. xsplat you can find it seductionbase dot com

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  34. on August 26, 2011 at 1:01 am Levy_Spermin (I'm cumming in your ass)

    lol fat deluded hipster bitch

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  35. on August 26, 2011 at 1:02 am Levy_Spermin (I'm cumming in your ass)

    That is at 4:07.

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  36. “What probably killed his chances was his delivery, which sounded atrocious if the girl’s retelling was accurate.”

    And the fact he cut her off on her way out when flirting is the last thing on her mind.

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  37. Agreed. Lengthy pick-up is also obvious to spot in this day. Just think – What would Don Draper do?

    WWDDD wrist bands for all.

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  38. On a slightly unrelated note; A study states. “Misogynist” men attract “misogynistic” females.

    This is the first reference to an academic study of Game that i have stumbled upon. It was quoted and printed in the largest daily paper in Finland,

    “Hall and Canterberry set out to understand the characteristics of men who use aggressive court-ship strategies, based on speed seduction techniques described in the US bestseller “The Game” by Neil Strauss and the popular cable TV program “The Pickup Artist”. They also studied the characteristics of women who find such strategies appealing.”

    Link.

    http://www.springer.com/about+springer/media/springer+select?SGWID=0-11001-6-1224521-0

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    • This is largely useless without knowing how the respective shares compare andhow looks are distributed among the respective groups…

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  39. More day game posts. I find this this to be the most fertile ground in my milieu.

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  40. As I recall, R (or whoever was actually running le Chateau at this time) was going to try this routine out:

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/the-neg-as-opener/

    How did it go?

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  41. I know the word “girl” and I know the word “buddy” but what is this “girl buddy” you speak of?

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    • she is unattractive, even when the guy is dead drunk.

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    • I had enough female friends when i was a pedestalizing beta chump.
      Now i really don’t get this male-female friendship concept. Talking to them is even annoying if sex didn’t or won’t happen.

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  42. Me: “Your Dad?”

    Her: “Huh?”

    Me: “Did you get your beer gut from your Dad?” (pointing at her stomach)

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  43. In the link, the opener contains “check this out”

    If I ever said “check this out” to any human being over 9 years old, I think I would cut my balls off with a spoon.

    I remember first getting into The Community a little over three years ago. I never had a blind faith in canned openers, but although I never used them, I never marked them off as completly retarded.

    Now that I am much more experienced than I was before, I’ve fully realized just how much a canned opener can face fuck a conversation before it hardlly ever begins.

    When you pull girls with an opener as simple as “you live around here?”, you begin to realize just how ignorant a lot of these gurus and students really are.

    I don’t mean to shit on guys like Brad P. But if he had any sort of brain, he would know that a canned opener outside of anything a normal human would say is completly pointless. Perhaps the gurus act like canned material is great just to keep their socially retarded students from truly becoming better.

    Of course, the students who can recover from such a pointless opener will learn and get better. But once they get good, they will realize that the were running in circles.

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  44. on August 26, 2011 at 12:44 pm Earth Visitor

    Some people make things WAY too complicated.

    Retail game.

    Location: Wal Mart checkout
    Requirements: AT THE RIGHT TIME, a slightly mischievous wry smile, and the ability to deadpan.

    When she greets you, you have that ever so slightly turned head/inquisitive/I know you from somewhere look and say…

    Dead pan tone: “You look familiar, do you work at Wal Mart.” (Wait a split second and give the mischievous smile)

    You’ll get one of the following reactions:
    1. The “Uhh are you a retard” look.
    2. Delayed reaction and then a smile (could be genuine or nervous).
    3. A cup cake eating grin from ear to ear. (Jackpot/quick witted/sense of humor)

    I’ve seen all three. Practice this on all types of women whether you are interested in them or not. You will learn a lot. And there are limitless follow-ups for the next time you see them if you do have an interest.

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    • Awesome. Half of those are like the dog catching the car. “Uh oh, now what?” So easily could have been parlayed into something with the smallest trace of a follow-up. Women want to be gamed.

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  46. Get your advice wherever you like, once it’s not from here. Feminazi writer gives dating tips, on a site that appears to be a Herb indoctrination facility.

    http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/nice-guys-finish-first-without-pickup-gimmickry/

    Her tips make the Horse opener look like genius.

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  47. Xsplat,

    I have a question for you … I’m buying a new nail polish and I can’t decide about the color which would maximize my success with the opposite gender. What’s the natural nail color of 11 y.o. girls? (I have no such girl here right now to check :P) Is it pink-red or pale pink (=more pale than the surrounding skin)?

    Thanks.

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    • There is nothing better than french manicure. It’s like perfectly white, gleaming teeth — but on your hands. Everything else is too unsubtle. Like any cosmetic, take a naturally beautiful feature and perfect it without drawing attention to the enhancement. But what do I know about the dark arts of true girl game.

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      • Heh …

        I’m glad you’re a fan of french manicure too 🙂 I love it and hate almost everything else. But it’s quite difficult to make.

        “But what do I know about the dark arts of true girl game.”

        No dark arts … It’s all pink and glittery.

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  48. Never take pick-up advice from a feminist shrike:

    http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/nice-guys-finish-first-without-pickup-gimmickry/

    It’s on a website that’s too ghastly to contemplate: The Good Men Project – towards a new, kinder (and neutered) masculinity.

    Her tips make the Horse opener look intelligent and plausible.

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  49. jumbotron test fail

    i’m really hoping this is a joke

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  50. check out the routines ian malcolm busts out

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    • Ah, the good old Chaos Theory rapport builder. You get some hand on hand kino action too when putting the drops of water on the back of her hand. Also helps to DHV by being a mathematician who’s generally dismissive of “lower sciences” (such as Sattler’s paleobotany) and clearly has a passion and a goal. I love the moments in that movie when Malcolm more or less temporarily AMOGs Grant, the latter of whom has higher prior relative status by being Sattler’s effective boss (if I remember correctly, he’s a famous professor and she the PhD candidate under his tutelage).

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  51. I attended a PUA seminar a while back where Brad P personally showed a video of him using the horse routine. He was working on a 2-set and if I remember correctly he #-closed one of them and and f-closed on second date. His delivery and body language was solid and the girl was very into him.

    I think the horse routine is for advanced level PUAs and it takes strong story telling skills to carry it out smoothly.

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  52. Off topic – my girlfriend mentioned that she prefers that at times I can appear ugly because she doesn’t like it if a man can play around too easily.

    What she doesn’t realize is that many women have this same reaction – an older less attractive guy is seen as less of a risk. And if many girls have that idea, then the idea no longer works.

    And another anecdote – her ex is a handsome halfie – half dutch, half local – and has recently become a successful actor on TV. He’s much closer to her age. He keeps trying to seduce her and has been probably since I’ve known her. He’s serious too – wants marriage and kids – just like my girl says to me she wants.

    I figure since the guy was never even able to touch her titties when they dated, he has no game. Younger, way more handsome, speaks her language and shares her culture but has the white genes she wants – but he lacks game.

    I’ve seen both these situations a few times – the girl passing over a seemingly shockingly obvious better choice by all objective standards. When asked why the girl will talk of chemistry, or maybe even love. Or they will simply not know why – and might even ask me why? I just say that I have powers of vodoo. That seems to make sense to them.

    The point of all this is that game can help you compete with people who outwardly are out of your league, to get girls who are out of your league. As long as the other boys don’t have game. And chances are, they won’t.

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    • on August 26, 2011 at 8:36 pm old guy, lower case

      “I put a spell on you
      because you’re mine”

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    • From what I have read on this site it seems obvious that your girlfriend has no idea what really pushes her attraction buttons so I would disregard the “less risk thing” as it is counter to all game logic. Sounds like a test if she actually phrased it like that how did you respond?

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      • Yes, she actually used the word ugly. It was no test, and no insult. Nearly every girl I have ever dated has called me ugly. That’s not an insult – it’s a factual statement. Of course it gets tempered sometimes, by saying I have beautiful eyes, or beautiful lips, or some other display that I’m growing on the girl like a fungus.

        As to “no idea what her attraction buttons are”, that’s a given – she’s a female. But what’s your point? What part of what she said do you agree or disagree with?

        The less risk thing is not exactly an attractiveness trigger. It’s a beta attraction trigger for mate stability – not an alpha attraction trigger for wet pants.

        That particular attraction has been well documented many times by many people in many countries. It’s a mating tactic women use when they want stability.

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      • As to how I responded – I didn’t much. But note that I NEVER characterize myself as ugly.

        Instead I will always characterize myself as young and handsome. This merely elicits giggles, but I play it straight faced. I’m very firm on this and I repeat it many times.

        Call it hypnotic suggestion, call it propaganda – whatever. As far as words are concerned, I’m young and handsome.

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      • Interesting that you dismiss that it wasn’t a test so easily. You have more experience so I’ll defer to your judgement but if it wasn’t a test what’s spinning in the hamster wheel with that statement?

        Would agree and amplify in a ludicrous manner be wrong?

        Yeah my hunchback is sooo hideous but even your sexy friend Jen noticed how my X (best feature) makes you twitch uncontrollably.

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      • There is no hampster spinning, there is no test.

        Would the sky be offended if you called it blue? It’s blue. Naming it is neither an insult or a compliment, it’s just a statement of fact.

        Ugly is not a word that must be used as an insult. Beauty is objective. Calling someone ugly does not create an ugliness that was not already there.

        Any insulting or testing attitude will show up in the delivery, through tone of voice, and body language, as well as word choice. Her word choice was very delicate, nearly skirting the issue. She used the gentlest possible example for me being ugly – putting a piece of gold in my mouth to fake a rappers gold teeth bling – and not being afraid to put forward a silly and ugly appearance. But no matter how delicate her phrasing, her point was crystal clear that she was put off by the fact that more handsome men can more easily fuck around.

        Did you know that some girls will refuse to date rich guys, because they assume the man will be unfaithful?

        She explained the principle in a way that was accurate (I am obviously and sometimes strikingly of below average appearance), yet respectful.

        There is no need to be afraid of accurate self assessment. What is is – what is can never be an insult.

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      • on August 29, 2011 at 9:45 pm Obstinance Works

        **Instead I will always characterize myself as young and handsome. This merely elicits giggles, but I play it straight faced. I’m very firm on this and I repeat it many times.**

        Now THAT’s C&F folks.

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  53. Good tips the horse thing was absolutely awful. Only way I can see that working is:
    1. Your hung like a horse and fully intend to use visual aids
    2. It came up more naturally and you found out she liked horses and already worked up a good rapport.

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  54. Maya,

    Here is the article on unrelated adult males, living in a household with young girls, flipping on the baby making switch in said nymphets.

    http://www.menstruation.com.au/contributors/withoutdad.html

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    • What paraphelia would those pre-pubescent girls be guilty of – changing their sexual readyness in response to a male, and trying to make him into a hebephile?

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      • Yeah, children are responsible for the behavior of the adults. Similarly, when a baby is crying and his parents hit him because of that it’s all his fault because he provoked them to do so.

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    • thanks, it’s very interesting.

      “Dr Carr-Gregg suspects Australia is seeing more early maturers, who often struggle because they lack the emotional maturity to cope with the male attention they receive as a result of their appearance. He suggests that in step-families “the adult male may find it extremely difficult to deal with her precocious sexuality and this adds to strife between the remarried couple”.”

      😦

      “Research has consistently shown that girls from divorced families are sexually active at a younger age, have a greater number of partners and are at greater risk of early pregnancy.”

      “His research also indicates that puberty is delayed by the presence of the biological father, particularly fathers who interact more with their daughters when they are young. Here too there is parallel animal research.”

      “For David Blankenhorn, author of Fatherless America, the message from the Ellis/Hetherington data is clear: “If we want young girls to delay sex and childbearing, having a loving biological father on the premises is a good idea, while having unrelated men on the premises is not.””

      ““We often find ourselves counselling divorced men who watch helplessly knowing their children are being damaged in such family situations,” he says. “And here we have new evidence suggesting girls may face another hazard.””

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    • Thanks, it’s very interesting.

      “Dr Carr-Gregg suspects Australia is seeing more early maturers, who often struggle because they lack the emotional maturity to cope with the male attention they receive as a result of their appearance. He suggests that in step-families “the adult male may find it extremely difficult to deal with her precocious sexuality and this adds to strife between the remarried couple”.”

      😦

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  55. “Research has consistently shown that girls from divorced families are sexually active at a younger age, have a greater number of partners and are at greater risk of early pregnancy.”

    “His research also indicates that puberty is delayed by the presence of the biological father, particularly fathers who interact more with their daughters when they are young. Here too there is parallel animal research.”

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  56. It’s all about the delivery.

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    • Yeah, right, confidently mumbling like many mice on moonlight, that would do the trick. 100% guarantee or your money back.

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    • No, that’s not alpha. He’s a nutter. Most normal people would categorise him as a fruitcake.

      Status wise, he’s slightly below somebody who dresses up to play roleplaying games.

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      • Guy is beyond a fruitcake. At some point someone…cop…gangbanger…is gonna fuck his shit up. He’s an adult version of Kick-Ass.

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  57. on August 27, 2011 at 2:00 pm Nanker Phelge

    Say this for the guy: He had the stones to walk to a cute girl he didn’t know at all and talk to her.

    He is may be a complete doofus, but by gosh, he is in there swinging.

    He did not get a number. He did not get laid.

    But if he had said nothing, he would be not have gotten a number, he would not have gotten laid, but he’d also regret he didn’t say something and wish he had.

    He is better off this way. And he may do better next time.

    There was a post on here once about how you must always talk to the girls. You cannot get anywhere unless you do. That is the first and most important hurdle.

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  58. If you get a intutive feeling that a girl is just playing with you for boosting her ego ; but you are not really sure as she sometimes shows clear signs of interest but goes days without making even a SUBTLE move ,

    should you turn cold to her next flirting behaviour ? or do you just play along thinking she`s just playing hard to get ?

    Thing is : I just feel she thinks of me as someone to whom she can go and talk for sometime and BANG up goes her ego . Readng this blog has done so much for my confidence that I`m sure to maintain confidence with any girl I talk to . So i flirt back . and then nothing for days .

    we never text /facebook chat . just talk only in the class .

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  59. A classic example of Game.

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  60. >street magician

    Mystery is starring in here lately.

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  61. Hey guys quick question while we’re all here. My girlfriend is reading feminist literature (more specifically this book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Be-Woman-Caitlin-Moran/dp/0091940737)

    Should I run a mile or just put it in her ass?

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  62. The more naturally attractive a man is, the more he should AVOID clever pickup lines. Because if you’re good looking, what you say will generally only hurt you, especially if it’s lame.

    Her: (Thinking “wow there’s a cute guy.”)
    Him: “Hey there, [shitty opener.]”
    Her: (Thinking, “too bad, guess he’s a dork.”)

    Good looking guys can get away with simple, blatant openers like, “Hey, whatcha doin?”

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  63. OT

    Whadday all think of the Gibson raid? Signs and portents of things to come? I though our govt is more than a bit wacky, but boy, your gummint south of the border… takes the cream. Asylum.

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  64. […] Heartiste – “Banging Outside Your Race Won’t Hurt Your Chances with Same-Race Women“, “Can I See Myself Saying That?” […]

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  65. Hey yall,

    Can anyone tell me if this opener was considered cheesy or rather good that this guy said to me:

    I was out and at a table near a few other gentleman while waiting for my g/f to show. So I pulled out my cell phone to call her and the one guy said to me:

    “Are you calling me? Its okay you obviously didn’t see me when you came in. So how’s it going?”. LOL I thought it was a short but good opener myself but just curious as how some of you would view this opener.

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    • Neecy, the rule of thumb — if the opener works (getting woman’s interest), then it’s a good opener. There is no other criterion, really.

      Did it sound to you as cheesy? No? Then all’s good.

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      • Nope didn’t sound cheesy to me at all. It definitley took me out of the shitty mood I was coming into b/c my friend was so late and I was getting frustrated. In fact thought it was the best opener I have ever heard. But I was just curious to see if any other guys on here would see his opener as good or bad.

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      • Good openers are those that work. It may be a tautology, but the esulting giggles are the measuring rod.

        I hope your mood is still on the opposite of the shitty side. You’re no fun otherwise.

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      • Err, “r”esulting.

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      • 🙂 Thx Cad! Just asking a simple question. Apparently I ruffled someone’s feathers below b/c I was curious as to how others here would see that opener. *shrugs* sometimes I can’t win… lol

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      • Thx Cad! Just asking a simple question. Apparently I ruffled someone’s feathers below b/c I was curious as to how others here would see that opener. *shrugs* sometimes I can’t win… lol

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      • Neecybuttox,

        Detox my Buttox…

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      • Neecy

        But I was just curious to see if any other guys on here would see his opener as good or bad.

        it wouldnt work on black girls

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      • On this one it did 😉

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    • @Neecy….why are you even posting? This is a blog about game and how to improve it.

      If you have to even question whether something is cheesy you’re simply a troll trying to kill time or divert attention to yourself.

      Seriously….post less…or get your own blog but you’re crapping all over the place and it’s hard to follow serious comments here which could actually add some perspective to guys trying to get their romantic lives on track.

      Read your post again. It’s pure trolling. Has nothing to do with anything here and you’re simply an attention grabber.,…do it somewhere else…seriously.

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      • This is a blog about game and how to improve it.

        I just learned a good opener fro her. What have you got to offer ?

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      • Wala seriously? This thread is about openers.

        I went out last night, had what i thought to be a unique opener used on me and wanted to share it to see if anyone here would use it themselves or not. That’s it. Nothing more and nothing less.

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      • Chill, dude. She does have her own blog and she is posting less. She gave a good example of a girl’s reaction in the field.

        Don’t worry about it Neecy. Bad day for Mr. Wala.

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      • 🙂 Thanks babe. And as far as I am concerned you *are* applicable.

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    • How did the pickup attempt go? Did you fuck?

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  66. If she is unattractive, even when the guy is dead drunk.

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    • So men and women can be friends!

      [Heartiste: Sure. As long as certain preconditions are met.

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      • Depends on the definition of friends.

        Friendly, yes. I’ve even encountered cases when women were capable of being friends for several nanoseconds.

        When woman says “Let just be friends”, what she really means “please become my orbiter that I can emotionally leech from”.

        The basic principle of true friendship, “i’ve got your back”, is extremely rare and exceptional in a woman. Only a few cases a century are being reported.

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      • And while women may sometimes become an orbiter of a man, it’s not friendship either, as her jealousy will surface in poisonous ways when the mans girlfriends get natural preferential attention.

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      • Yes, “be my emotional tampon and, if absolutely necessary, stunt cock if my vibrator won’t cut it and I really need the validation” (and women say they want honesty).

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      • I don’t understand the struggle to admit that men and women actually can appreciate the others’ company and not constantly be thinking, “He’d make a great husband” or “She’d be great in bed”. Sure, the thought crosses your mind if you’re human, but it’s not like quality people can ONLY be appreciated for these things.

        Women may not have your back the same a man would, but we can still offer support in our own way – like lots of advice and conversation…and baking things for you to cheer you up.

        Being friends with a man also allows a woman to get know the man on a deeper level – maybe she’s just a slow mover.

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      • “… maybe she’s just a slow mover.”

        Then you are not talking about being friends, you are talking about dating. If the man is in any way a suitor or a potential mate, they are not friends.

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      • Maybe she doesn’t immediately consider a man to be a potential mate. Maybe she sees an interesting human being and doesn’t begin to feel deeper feelings until she’s gotten to know him first.

        One can feel an attraction to many different people, this doesn’t mean one considers them all potential mates.

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      • Sorry, does not compute.

        People know within minutes of meeting someone if they are sexually attracted or not. If the person is “a slow mover” then they are evaluating the other for a companionate/provider relationship. This evaluation is nothing to do with friendship.

        If you are talking about friendship, then don’t talk about moving slowly towards something that isn’t friendship. Any movement at all means that it is not about friendship.

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      • Men and women can be friends and truly enjoy the company of the other person, despite finding them attractive in the way one can acknowledge the beauty of a flower, piece of art, etc.

        And sometimes friendship has the potential to grow into more. People can even become more attractive as you get to know them. Emotions can evolve in some cases, while in others they may not.

        No one is advocating using men for crutches/a shoulder to cry on, nor using women for just sex. Neither seem fair but unfortunately both are willing participants.

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      • Maybe men and women “can” be friends.

        I think people are telling you that they don’t experience friendship with women as true friendship, based on what men see friendship to be. If it happens, it’s uncommon and not to be expected.

        The sexual tension sooner or later causes problems, and if there is no sexual tension, it is rare for there to be much interest between men and women.

        If in theory there “can” be is different from whether it is common enough to be reasonably expected.

        It’s more true to say men and women can’t be friends, than to say they can. The exceptions are exceptional.

        Men and women want something from each other. Sex and provisioning. If they want it and can’t get it, frustration and anger and jealousy arises, and one party feels they are wasting their time and attention. If they don’t much want or need that from each other, it is extremely rare that they hold much interest in each other at all. Men and women are barely interested in each other for any reason other than sex and romance.

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      • xsplat,

        Maybe this is the problem with our communication – that some men have strict guidelines on what constitutes a friend/friendship. I consider getting along with someone and enjoying his/her company and spending time together friendship. I agree it may not always end well but also that it is not impossible.

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      • Margaretta, how about “He makes a great orbiter, to cry on his shoulder if things are not going my way… what, marry him? There are no sparkles nor tingles!”

        Lots of worthless advice and conversation that bores one a to near death experience. And muffins. Yea–how intensely cheerful.

        Anyhoo, you still confuse friendly with friendship.

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      • Then you should consider yourself blessed if you are single. I’m sorry you are not able to find happiness and joy in casual conversation and festive treats.

        Regarding friendship vs. being friendly, one is simply being amiable and the other involves having a relationship of some sort with another person. Friendship exists on different levels.

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      • Marg, I’m not single, in a relationship with five young wenches, but blessed nonetheless. There’s nothing to be sorry about, I do enjoy casual conversation, especially when some levity is involved, you can look up my exchanges with What on this blog. But it’s not something that would constitute happiness. I enjoy meaningful exchanges even more. What really brings happiness to me the most are instances of creativity.

        No, casual conversation and cookies aren’t attributes of friendship, I can get that anywhere. Perhaps that is the level of “friendship” you are accustomed to. It may be your sole ambition, and your life may be truly uncomplicated.

        For me, friendship involves relationship between what is called “old friends” and I can count them on the fingers of my one hand and none of them are female, never were. The rest are just acquaintances that I interact with, through various degrees of amiability.

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      • Cadnerd,

        Congratulations to you – it sounds like you have found contentment in your life which is more than most people can boast.

        It’s not really about the cookies, literally, but more about the thought and intention behind the effort that is usually felt by the recipient with these gestures. Different people find different things meaningful, I suppose.

        I personally feel I don’t have enough really close friends – the kind you’ve described with history – but I appreciate the other more surface friendships in their own way.

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      • Well, if a man is already married or gets lots of female attention (especially if they are prettier than me), then I don’t see how I can’t be friends with him.
        I have one popular guy friend, he would probably have sex with me if I asked, but doesn’t have that need. Or maybe he doesn’t attempt it because I often show him videos of men accidentally setting themselves of fire and laugh. We have fun, make jokes, fight. Being friends with a desperate beta orbiter is definitely not something that would work though. Thankfully I never had to LJBF a guy (except maybe that 23 year old guy who liked me when I was 13, but then I just stopped being friends with him).

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      • With benefits…

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      • i prefer just the benefits.

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  67. A female friend of mine and I were at dinner and she mentioned how some guy randomly asked her and her friend what they thought he should go on Maury Povich. I stopped her and asked her if said he had a secret admirer and wasn’t sure if it might be a guy. She was astounded that I knew what he said. I gave her my copy of The Game and clued her in. She’d already been game savvy for a while as she knows I teach and brought her along to a presentation I gave in DC. Nonetheless she was stunned that she’d gotten gamed like that. Just goes to show that routines still can work despite women being aware of what’s out there.

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  68. Felt like sharing this. Watch the beta guy just trying to rip his girl off this other dude. Why does he care!? Just walk the fuck away you pathetic twat.

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  69. If you have to ask about pickup lines, you’re already dead in the water. The best pickup line is not a pickup line at all. It’s a smile, a look, a moment of appreciation for a thing of beauty. A moment of mutual attraction that tells you she is looking-shopping. Then ask her, “Are you available?” Isn’t that what you really want to know? Works for me.

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  70. I have a sister. She’s going to France for a couple of weeks, no hotel. She’s hot (barely any tits though), intelligent (polish :)) speaks French. I want to give her advice. I just want her to be happy, anyone? (heartiste preferably) Btw read entire archive.

    [Heartiste: No hotel? Is she staying with family or in a hostel? If the latter, expect her to get it on with a greasy-haired backpacker.]

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  71. That’s 110%.

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  72. This is why being laconic works so well- if you are a man of few, but expertly chosen, words then you are much less likely to have a “did I really say that” moment.

    Personally, I tend to dislike those big canned openers for the very reasons mentioned in this post.

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    • Some canned routines are better than others. The horse one is beyond retarded.

      It doesn’t demonstrate higher value, or alpha status, or knock her off her pedestal. It violates every principle of good Game. It makes a man sound like a creepy loser: A castrated Glenn Quagmire.

      It’s sickening to think of some poor benighted beta spending 5Gs on a seminar and being told to do crap like that. That gives Game a bad name.

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      • No, it gives the instructor a bad name.
        Besides, openers not eq game.

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      • Negs work. The discovery and expounding of the theory behind the Neg should earn Mystery a Nobel prize for economics.

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      • Yep, that horse opener is one of the cruddiest bits of ‘game’ I’ve ever seen. You would be better served rapping the first verse of Biggie’s ‘Juicy’ to demonstrate your swagga than employ the horse opener. In fact, Juicy probably has fewer words to remember, and makes a hell of a lot more sense.

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      • Shows the difference between what men and women are attracted to: Women queued up to be shtupped by Biggie Smalls but no men queue to shtup Roseanne

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  73. Risk and intensity of sperm ejection in female (birds):
    “females eject preferentially the sperm of socially subordinate males”

    Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21828991

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  74. […] Roissy — er — Heartiste, had a post the other day about a horse routine he recognized from a PUA’s material.  I have to say, […]

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  75. Watch the news-reports. Female media tits-ass-faces cannot even mutter the words, “Rick Perry”, without showing a little squirming, pelvic grinding-down-on-something-hard kind of response.
    None of them understand his policies. All of them respond to his shoot to kill persona. Lips slightly parted, internal hamster sprinting for its life.
    Just sayin…

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  76. I just read this article about girls reaching puberty faster when the biological father isn’t around and instead a strange man is here http://www.menstruation.com.au/contributors/withoutdad.html , and it seems we missed something quite important in the article.

    “Dr Ellis speculates that an environmentally triggered process shunts the girl towards a particular reproductive strategy.”

    Girls who hang around their dads have less sex partners in life, and reach puberty later. They are following the same sexual strategy of their mom – the madona seek a beta provider strategy. Girls without as much paternal investment live a life that does not seek out the provider that they were not accustomed to.

    This happens on a bio-chemical level.

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  77. When my daughter was 16 years old, she told me. “Dad, it is hard for me to date. I compare all the guys to you and none of them measure up. So you can see why it is so hard for me.
    Yeah, but I had by then trainined her to be a deadly shot with many large bore pistols.
    Forget that last part (if yur english)., if you want…This one case will turn out right because I will make It turn out right.

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  78. Proof porn doesn’t work like that in real life…

    “New HIV Case Causes LA Porn Industry Shutdown,” AP via Yahoo! News, 29 Aug 2011
    http://news.yahoo.com/hiv-case-causes-la-porn-industry-shutdown-213600946.html

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  79. on August 29, 2011 at 11:15 pm distance drum

    HOW WOMEN GETS men to buy them stuff. a reallife experiment.

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    • These people are way too surprised and pleased with their super obvious experiment. Really? Chumps will do things for pretty young women who are heavily broadcasting their (fake) interest? Who knew?

      We know what women are and how they behave. Instead of tricking some poor schmoe so you can go laugh about it with Cenk Uygur the cab driver-cum-leftwing radio host, how about you go make me a sandwich instead?

      What Ana didn’t tell you about was the three other men who aced her Shit Final Exam and fucked her on her “boyfriend’s” bed.

      By the way, Air America is still around? I thought they closed up that shit-shack. It must be a website. I’ll bet even the website isn’t making money either.

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  80. 5 seconds of alpha beats your entire life.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/29/sam-bradford-makes-girl-cry_n_941328.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl3|sec1_lnk2|90719

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  81. on August 30, 2011 at 11:56 am greatbooksformen GBFM

    lozozlzlzzlzl

    every time before i go lzozlzozlzzz ozzlzl olotsa cockas 4 the laides in fornt of a group of girls, i ask myslef, “can i really see my self sayin lzozlzozlzozlzlz lotsa cocokas for the ladies? does it sound normall? is it a natrual thisnsgs 2 say?” and i think about a bit and realize “YES!””

    so i go lzozlzozozlzlzl lotssass coaks 4 da lasdidies! and egenerlaly no fewrer than four out of ifvfe offer to go home ee with eme ,and if they want to come abck a aceond time they gott a bring ada maoveiss sslsl brring da movies!!!! lzozlzlzolz

    AND HEY! AFTER MONTHS OF RESEARCH I UPATED BY BLOG!!!!!

    http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2011/08/14/wonce-upon-a-time-mens-wents-2-church-2-find-a-good-wownenez-lzozlzlzloz/

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  82. on August 30, 2011 at 12:02 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    Here is a list of the key ingredients of a solid opener, in descending order of butthexual importance:

    1. Can you see yourself saying it to her butthole after yu eatats her ginaholee eellee gina hole out lzozlzolz? If yes, go to (2). If no, ask yourself if it would work in specific scenarios, like in her shower with her bent over pickcin u da soapy ssispsospa, and try it out.

    2. Is it short and grammatically simple enough to memorize without struggling to remember the words in the heat of the moment zlzozozozlzlzlzoozl ozlz ozzozlzozozozo lzlzoozlzozozlzozozlzoz zozlzozolzozozoz one time i forgot the “olzzozozoz” and instead i said “lzozlzozlzlzozlzl” but i recovered by following up with “lzozlzzoz zlomg otassas cockas lzozzlolzlzz” and nobody knew the idifefrence and we had a trheesome theatah night? If yes, go to (3). If no, ask yourself if you are sufficiently verbally fluent and mentally dextrous to pull it off, then try it out. lzozzllzozozozozoz ozlzozoozozozozolzzozoz lzozozozlzoozozlzozozozozozlzozozolzzozolzozozozozo zlzoozozoz

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    my favoriete chcik is the indie laweyr with tataoossos lzozlozozlzozoz as even though she dtustsudied for her laststans she still usndertstsand how 2 say zoozlzlzlz an dteh depeer meenaing of lostass cockass 4 tehe alaldeisss

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  83. […] this post, I chided (chid?) a PUA newbie for unsuccessfully using a difficult and ponderous Brad P opener on […]

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