Getting Fat Really Will Shorten Your Lifespan (And Your Sexspan)

Contrary to a previous study claiming that fatter people live longer than underweight people (a flawed study that was, not surprisingly, trumpeted by feminists, fatties and those who shudder at the thought of sexual market standards), a new study has concluded that fatness will shorten your lifespan:

While some past studies have shown that persons carrying a few extra pounds in their 70s live longer than their thinner counterparts, a new study that measured subjects’ weight at multiple points over a longer period of time reveals the opposite.

Research from Adventist Health Studies recently published in the Journal of the American Geriatrics Society showed that men over 75 with a body mass index (BMI) greater than 22.3 had a 3.7-year shorter life expectancy, and women over 75 with a BMI greater than 27.4 had a 2.1-year shorter life expectancy. Generally, a BMI between 18.5 and 24.9 is considered normal weight, and a BMI of 25 to 29.9 is considered overweight. A BMI of 30 or more is considered obese.

A good rule of thumb to take into consideration when trawling scientific studies is that the more a study’s results contradict common sense, the likelier it is that there was some flaw in experimental procedure. It’s not OK to plump up as you get older; you should be striving to maintain your youthful weight for your whole life. Paleo eating and regular exercise of the short burst variety (weightlifting and wind sprints) will help you in your goal. For those who think this is impossible, you only have to look at modern day hunter gatherer tribes. In those, the elderly (that is, the few who avoid getting murdered or mauled to death) stay thin and sinewy right up until the end.

In related news, getting fat is much worse for a woman’s sex and love life than it is for a man’s. (Paging that idiot commenter who thought he was being smartly impartial with his heavy-handed “reminders” that women don’t like all the fat men, either. Well, the facts suggest otherwise, schnerdling.)

Men are more concerned with their partner’s body type than women but they also seem to value family more highly, according to a new survey released on Tuesday.

Nearly half of men questioned in the poll of 70,000 people said they would ditch a partner who gained weight, compared to only 20 percent of women.

Two-third of men also said they had fantasized about their partner’s friends, while only one-third of women had done so.

Ladeez, if you want to keep your man interested in you, you have to stay sexy and slender. Men, the findings (and general life observations) show that getting fatter won’t hurt your love life very much. Don’t push it, though. Few people who aren’t freak fetishists are sexually aroused by morbid obesity.

Another valuable CH lesson, free of charge!





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  1. “Nearly half of men questioned in the poll of 70,000 people said they would ditch a partner who gained weight …”

    Nooo, men like “curves”!

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    • Men like curves created by toned muscle.
      Men do not like curves made by gelatinous adipose tissue.

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      • Since I have absolutely no sense of humor I see it’s better that I continue with my favorite hobby (=insulting other people).

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      • Sigh, Maya. even with that you don’t do a decent job.

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      • I know, I’m no good at anything. I don’t care now. I gave up already. I hate my life so much that I can’t tell and I’m tired of it. I just liked this blog because I really had no one else to talk to about feminism, my childhood and my non-existent love life.
        I apologize to everyone for my annoying comments.

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      • Maya, if you reduced your output, and used your head once a while, you my be fine. There’s no need to turn everything into a compulsion. Also, more listening than yelling me me me, pay attention to meeee may do you some good.

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      • Stick around Maya- all too often commenters leave here because of a few snide remarks

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      • Maya,

        If you want to talk about those things, that is great. But may I recommend that before you hastily post a response to someone who may have irked you, take a few steps back to really think about what they have said. Your initial response is your hamster talking and if you truly want to learn from this site you will do well to get him off his wheel before you post. You have a golden opportunity to learn a lot from this site if you allow yourself to.

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      • Maya
        This blog will probably help you a lot if you start by helping yourself. Get a life, go out, meet people. Hook up with someone, i don’t know. Use what you have learned so far.
        But don’t expect anyone here to fill your emotional void. Some guys here are even more fucked up than you because they’ve been badly burned.
        You are welcome to comment here despite those who troll you because you are quite feminine and not a feminist. But if you don’t apply what you learn, there’s no need to stick around.

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      • I hear cats are good listeners.

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      • Thanks to everyone who was nice to me here on this blog.
        I apologize again to the hosts and the readers for all of my mentally ill and too emotional posts I’ve written in the last two months. I realized it’s better to stop with this now. I’ll keep reading the blog, though, so keep up with good work!

        Good luck to everyone,

        Maya.

        @Stingray,

        “Your initial response is your hamster talking …”

        It’s not.

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      • The last Anonymous was me.

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      • Really, bitch??

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      • on August 24, 2011 at 10:11 am Obstinance Works

        I thought it was sucking cock and crying.

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  2. Being fat sucks. Not only will it make meeting women an uphill battle, but it weighs down your career and your ability to command respect in social situations. I instantly respect fat people less before they open their mouths, as does most everyone whether they admit it or not.

    Fortunately it’s easy as shit to not be fat. Eat paleo, lift weights and don’t spend your life leveling up a world of warcraft character. Pretty basic.

    Cheers,

    Frost

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    • Paleo and weightlifting aren’t necessarily requirements. I eat no beef or pork, and do only minor weightlifting (though more bodyweight exercises). I lost about 40 lbs. in five months by walking (briskly) 13,000 steps a day, in two segments, with no other change. It stays off, too.

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  3. I can’t believe ho much money is thrown into nothing with these surveys. When has anyone, especially women, ever been 100% honest in any sex related survey? They care about their partner weight, and they care A LOT. But they are more likely to disregard it if a man has Game, then a man is to disregard woman’s shape if she has Game.

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  4. I’ve never understood how the BMI “normal” range is determined. I am very average: 5-11, around 168-170 pounds (depending on what time of day I weigh myself), but that puts me barely on the normal side of the BMI border of being overweight.

    I am neither muscular nor fat (but I have been both in years past). I’m active. I wear 31 or 32-inch waist pants. Medium casual shirts. If I lose 5 pounds, everyone thinks I have cancer. But I’d have to lose 15 pounds and get down to 155 to be in the middle of what they call normal. That doesn’t seem right.

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    • BMI =weight in kilograms/(height in meters)² or
      (weight in pounds * 703 )/(height in inches)²

      The only thing that matters for you personally is the body fat percentage but that is hard to determine. BMI is a quick and dirty calculation that doesn’t always work but there is no feasible other way to do these studies since they use previously collected data.

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    • @phinn
      If you are really worried about it, you can get tested for your body fat percentage. For men 40 and under, 8-19% body fat is considered reasonably healthy…with the lower the percentage the more healthy you are.

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    • The scale is pretty close. Yes, those on the far end of the bell curve like you claim it is a little off by not _THAT_ much. The problems aren’t those at +10 lbs. anyway. The error margin isn’t anywhere near where the material problems start.

      Note: Well into middle age, poor health kicked me in the rear, lost 50 lbs with no special diet. Just eat less and exercise more. Maintained loss for 6 months, now going to lose the last 20 lbs. This will put me at the high end of the charts but by body fat will be optimal. Currently 5-11, 34″ waist, 185 lbs.

      Note that I was pulling a few good looking women (8+ for their age, probably a 6 compared to younger women) even when fatter. But after losing the weight the demand increased noticeably. My experience is that game can overcome physical limitations but the less it has to overcome the better. No, you don’t need to be anywhere near a body builder but at least get off your rear end and help your health.

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    • BMI is bullshit, it can be applied on a population wide level somewhat reliably (but probably this is also skewed) but not for a single person.

      My policy has always been not to give a shit about my weight in numerical terms, I use the mirror as my guide.

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      • “BMI is bullshit…”

        Mostly, yes.

        The key is waist-to-hip ratio. It’s okay if a woman’s BMI is a little high if she still has an excellent waist-to-hip ratio.

        But that’s not what we have in this fucked up, fat-assed country of ours…

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  5. Look at Japan, some of the longest lifespans in the world and they generally skinny as hell.

    On the fat topic, women have it easy, all they have to do to be attractive and desirable to men is be thin and not be a bitch.

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    • You forgot one- stay 18 forever. Not soo easy.

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      • Getting married at 18, to a man of 35, is lots easier, and goes a long way towards ensuring both partners absolute attractiveness decline somewhat in sync.

        Then, take out loneliness insurance in the form of lots and lots of children.

        If May-December pairings don’t suit you, become devoutly religious and marry a guy likewise; to minimize the chance he’ll trade you in when his SMV peaks just as yours hit the wall.

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      • Children are not a guarantee for loneliness insurance. Don’t mess up when rasing them, or else they will ditch you.

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      • Solid advice. I concur. If you fuck up raising them, they will not come over and change your diapers.

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      • Just remember that Fucking Up is highly age dependent. What seems cruel and insane at 15 can be prudent and wise at 30.

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      • If you raise them entitled brats. Nothing else comes close.

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  6. Its pretty obvious that being fat is bad, but the mainstream media can turn that around. Overweight and obese people are more likely to have high colesterol, high blood pressure and diabetes. Having high colesterol and high blood pressure isn’t a killer, but the medications that a doctor puts you on will help kill you for sure.

    Since more than 60% of the population is either overweight or obese it doesn’t astound me that there are articles to make the fatties feel good.

    – “I am beautiful the way I am!”
    – Shut the fuck up war pig.

    Men can be overweight and still get laid, just like guys with average faces can get laid like rockstars… if they have some game.

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    • I was seriously overweight when i learned about game 6-7 years ago, and yes i could still get laid. I managed to hook up with a few girls and after a while, i started a LTR with one of them.
      It lasted about 2 years and during it, i lost 60 lbs and then gained 25 lbs of muscle. During my weight loss, she started to initiate sex a lot more often. And i was of course more energetic and enduring. We eventually broke up because of a whole lot of reasons…
      Afterwards i started sarging again and it was a lot easier. I had more IOIs, i was even approached when i was well dressed and a couple of times in the beach. Chicks were more patient even if my game was a little bit rusty. And i could hook up with girls that i thought were out of my league.

      When it comes to playing the field, looks definitely matter. Getting laid is still possible if one is overweight, but it’s definitely not an optimal strategy. Improving the looks should go hand in hand with improving the game.

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      • That’s the main difference between men and women.

        A fat guy with game will still get laid. Perhaps less than if he was in shape, no one could deny, but he can still do ok. It’s different for women, since so much of their status is tied to their looks. An overweight girl is inflicting serious damage on her prospects.

        If there is one point I’d criticise about a lot of the Pick-up industry is when they claim that a man’s looks have no effect on his success rate (looking at you, Tyler D). They do, but not as much as you’d expect. Game is paramount, but being fit and well-dressed will give you a slight, but important edge.

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      • “That’s the main difference between men and women.
        A fat guy with game will still get laid.”
        Are you saying fat women can’t get laid?

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      • Alcohol. The miracle drug.

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      • Needing citizenship. Some people will do ANYTHING to avoid going back to Mexico.

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      • They can… with losers.

        They don’t exactly have many options. I know, I’ve shot a fat-chick down when I was still a virgin.

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      • Bingo.

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    • If they can’t lose weight, why not just enjoy life as much as they can? Of course they are beautiful as they are, to some people. Beauty is not objective (yes, the majority of people see the same things as beautiful, but that doesn’t make beauty objective). What is objective is that most people find obesity to be bad, and that it can give you health problems. That’s what they have to deal with. It’s even worse to add self-hate to that, so sometimes it might be alright to just be fat, if you can’t do anything about it. Also, it doesn’t look like shaming fat people helps them lose weight. They are already looked down on so much, yet 60% of people are still overweight.

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      • Does Arpagus have a fat cock?

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      • This is just so wrong in so many ways. First, weight can be controlled, and second beauty is an objective measure. I would never look twice at a woman who can’t control her own weight. Obese women are objectively disgusting.

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      • But…but…emm…err…..what about this fat kids with “gland problems”??? That’s real right? Yeah they all have that maybe!

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      • Nothing a good ketogenic diet cannot cure.

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      • Beauty is not objective.

        [Heartiste: Yes, it is. Beauty can be measured and quantified. See: the golden ratio. This is why photoshop pros know how to turn an ugly face into a beautiful one. They know what the correct objective metrics are. If beauty were subjective, then there would be no way to know how to photoshop an ugly girl into a hot one.]

        If you say “this painting is ugly” and I say “No, it’s beautiful”, you can’t tell me my opinion on this is wrong,

        [Most people agree the Sistine Chapel is beautiful. Most people agree dog shit is ugly. There’s a common factor at work.]

        you simply don’t see it the same way as me. Your opinion is right and so is mine.

        [A person whose honest opinion is that dog shit is beautiful has a miswired brain. His pathology doesn’t change the fact that the overwhelming majority of human consciousness perceives dog shit to be ugly. Similarly, a freak may actually think a morbidly obese woman is sexy, but his oddball fetish serves merely to highlight his brain malfunction. Human psychological or limbic malfunctions are readily identified by their scarcity within the population and the lack of fitness advantage that the malfunction accrues to the possessor.]

        Obese women are “objectively” disgusting to you, but to me they aren’t.

        [Just how fat are you?]

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      • Human bodies aren’t paintings though. Still if you are going to bring up art why don’t you then take a look at all works of art going back to even the dawn of Western Civilization in Ancient Greece. Statues, indeed “artwork,” that depicts their gods as being lean and muscular. Even the goddess Athena Nike was always portrayed as young and beautiful. Likewise, the corresponding Roman gods, Jupiter and Minerva were depicted much the same way. Just why is that?
        Even today, all you need to do is look on the cover of Cosmo to see what just about all women (roughly 99.9%) find beautiful; it sells very well after all.

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      • Just because something is found beautiful by 99,999999% of people, doesn’t make it objectively beautiful. It means there is still a small fraction that doesn’t find that thing beautiful. And even if everyone found it beautiful, it’s still not objective. If beauty was defined strictly by math and proportions, it would be objective, but it’s defined by what pleases the eye. It’s the definition of beauty after all. It depends on the person posessing the eye, it’s not objective by definition. It’s just that the majority of people happen to find the same things beautiful.
        As for art, here is an amazing piece of art, showing a person most people would find hideous:
        http://www.backtoclassics.com/gallery/quentinmassys/theuglyduchess/
        And you’re right, people are not art, but I don’t see much of a difference. If you tell me someone is ugly, and I call them beautiful, you can’t tell me my perception is wrong. Just unusual, perhaps.

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      • Peter Paul Rubens painted fat chicks almost exclusively and found them beautiful.

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      • its perfectly ok for you to want to remain a bit chubby. i’m sure you bring lots to the table for some men to overlook it.

        besides, western women now can have muffin-tops and its considered ok

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      • I’m not chubby, I’m thin. I can gain 30lbs and still not be fat at all. Which is totally what I’m gonna do, because being as thin as I am is not really practical.

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      • You’re statistically right. Some things and proportions are found to be beautiful by the majority of people. Still, if there were no people or living creatures in the world, would a thing still be objectively beautiful, when there is noone around to qualify it? What would be the objective properties of the object? I guess it would be the material it’s made of, its structure, its shape, how it interacts with the outside world. But beauty? I think you would need an observer for that, and if he just happens to be a freak, he will call a pile of dog shit beautiful.
        It’s true that we evolved to find pretty much the same things beautiful, that is objective. So yeah, you’re statistically right, yet qualia are ultimately subjective. The fact that your genes will die out if you find the wrong person beautiful doesn’t prove that your opinion was wrong, it just proves that your version of beauty was tied to poor health and fertility. Beauty is not always tied to good health (normal weight women might be suffering from bulimia, a hot girl might have cancer, obese women are fertile, etc.) The fact that there are freaks only shows how beauty is not an objective property.
        And I weigh around 115lbs, I’m not anywhere near fat. But even if I was, it would be besided the point.

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      • Oh, and yeah, in most cases weight can be controlled. Never said anything else.

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      • Emma,

        I know you mean well but, and you know I love you  so please don’t take this the wrong way, but the message you send is very dangerous. The fact is even if you take objective/subjective attractiveness out of the way obesity is simply very unhealthy and dangerous. No one feels good physically or mentally being overweight – TRUST ME. You cannot fully enjoy life. I understand a lot of times people place greater emphasis on the attractiveness or lack thereof of fat people and the most important message gets lost in all of that, but the real issue is HEALTH. The body simply was not made to handle obesity effectively.

        I can tell you its not a fun thing and your body tells you when enough is enough. People just don’t listen to t it. People told me that for 10 years and I could kick myself for allowing myself to be indoctrinated by the media and people around me who told me “I was beautiful” and nothing was wrong with being overweight and having “curves”.

        the reality is no one is at their best potential PHYSICALLY and INTERNALLY being overweight – NO ONE. The media and its dangerous message to overweight women really crawls under my skin b/c I used to believe that baloney. And you know what? I missed out on a greater part of my prime believing people who were telling me being fat was just “fine” and “okay”. Its just not. And believe me I am not coming from a shallow place. Health alone is a reason for any overweight person to simply try to do their best at losing. Its VERY hard trying to lose weight – trust me, I’m going through it now. But its so worth it.

        While it may seem shitty when men look down on overweight women, the reality is being overweight sends a message about how you view yourself. It’s the same thing as a man looking down on a sexually promiscuous woman. It says a lot about your mental character. The body should be treated as a temple b/c it’s the only thing we have to keep us alive and moving.

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      • No, no, I don’t want anyone to try to trick themselves into pretending they are fine when everything is wrong. I’m just saying that obesity is not the only thing that will affect your health, stress will also do it. I want people to be as fine as they can possible be. Most people can lose weight (but I guess not all), and they should for the sake of their health, but there is no need to hate yourself. You should solve your problems in a contructive manner, because the way it sounds like, self-hate leads to comfort-eating and all sorts of stress-related problems, on top of those from obesity itself. I talked to fat people, many of them already know how crappy they look and how it’s killing them, and I wish shaming them would actually help, but it just doesn’t (although maybe other people are motivated by it, in that case guys here are going a good thing).
        As for “noone feels good being overweight”… You just haven’t found weight-gain forums 🙂 (that’s besides the point, but still a fun bit of info)

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      • Emma,

        I agree that shaming people hardly works in that it more so causes them to feel much more badly about themselves. But there has to be a new message to overweight people (especially women) b/c it kills people. I can tell you in my group (Black females) many are dying from diseases caused by obesity – but so many people tell Black women its okay to be fat and we believe it to our own demise. Yes there are a lot of things that can kill a person no matter how thin and in shape they are. But the reality is there are so many co- morbidities that go along with excessive weight. And with those co- morbidities (heart disease, diabetes, blood pressure, inflammation) comes stress. I just think its time for people to accept a new message for their own health. Its not about shallowness and attractiveness. its about your life and health. Weight gain forums? please tell me its for people who are very small and want to gain some kind of weight/muscle mass? I have a g/f who is TIIIIINY she wears a size 0 and she wants to gain some weight b/c she has really bad anemia and also feels too frail *shrugs* she looks fine too me for her bone structure but…..

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      • Oh, weight-gain forums are for people who want to be FAT. Many thin people there, but many fat ones, who want to be even fatter. They get off on it, they like themselves better that way. No, it’s not about immobile people who are 600lbs, most of them are either thin or moderately fat.

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      • EMMA,

        I made a response but it somehow got lost in cyberspace.

        I agree that no one should hate themselves EVER no matter what their situation is. But being obese IMO is a form of self-hate. People never say this. Its no different than anorexia. Its still an eating disorder and form of self-hate. So in essence fat people do hate themselves. Its not PC to say this when it deals with fatness for some reason. You hate yourself so much that you are risking the health of the one organ that keeps you moving and living. You literally put yourself on the chopping block for all kinds of co-morbidities that are magnets to obesity (high blood pressure, stress, diabetes, heart disease, depression, inflammation, cancer). Granted thin people can have those co-morbidities but its simply found exponentially in fatter obese people on average. I agree stress crosses all weight borders. There does need to be a tougher message sent towards obesity and being overweight b/c it can kill a person and drive their quality of life downward. And quality of life is so important and the fact is fatter people do have a lower quality of life in many ways. The media should be ashamed of themselves for promoting this towards women. Its sinister IMO.

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      • Yeah, fat people often hate themselves. I guess due to being disrespected and due to feeling like they have poor self-control. Eating shitty food can also affect your mood. I can imagine that stuff feeling extremely bad. Fat people also tend to turn to food for comfort, which can turn into a really bad eating disorder (a vicious cycle), so if you want to better your health and lose weight, you might as well chill out about it and solve the problem in a calm manner. And I absolutely agree with you that people should take care of their health as much as they can, which is exactly why I said that if you have no way of losing the weight, you could at least not add to that by hating yourself. I believe most people can lose weight, so I wasn’t saying all fat people should just stay fat. I’m sorry if it looked like I was saying that.
        I agree that someone can become fat as a result of self-hate, but it’s not always so. One can be a happy person, but then become careless and gain weight over time. It doesn’t mean they hated themselves. It might mean they were lazy and undisciplined though. People are good at unintentionally hurting themselves.

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      • on August 24, 2011 at 1:00 pm Obstinance Works

        Gold star *

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      • YAY ME! I loooove Gold stars!! Always have 🙂

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      • its different for you, at minimum, you rock The Ds whenever you lose weight. that is rare; maybe emma is left with a lot less to attract men

        be fair

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      • Obstinance – I loooove gold stars!!! 🙂

        Fire,
        Emma looks small to me. I think she is just taking up for some fat people in general although I don’t believe she is fat herself.

        (Emma I just responded to you but for some reason my post is off somewhere in cyberspace)

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      • @neecy

        its different for you, at minimum, you say you can rock The Ds whenever you lose weight. that is rare; maybe emma is left with a lot less to attract men

        be fair

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      • I don’t believe Emma is fat (at leastnot by the looks of it) I just think she is sticking up for fatter people b/c honestly people are programmed to do this. I know she means well but there should be a tougher (not shaming)message sent towards obesity b/c it kills people. The only reason i can rock the D’s is b/c by body structure is a lot more solid and has always been a bit curvier. So even at my smallest I’ll still have boobies.

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      • now your just teasing
        you sound like
        the black
        snooki

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      • Ack! I used to heart you- now?…,,,,,..

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      • You’re right, people should be informed about what obesity will do to them 🙂

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      • Neecy

        Ack! I used to heart you- now?…,,,,,..

        meh like all girls, you are capricious. In Love with a new Man every week. besides, I dont make enuff $$ for your lifestyle.

        Emma the Emo

        You’re right, people should be informed about what obesity will do to them 🙂

        its not that bad: when they get hauled out with cranes after getting stuck on toilets, it makes for FUN TV.

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      • I could never stop loving a man with such great sense of humor do. And what kinda lifestyle do u think I have my dear? Lol

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  7. “Two-third of men also said they had fantasized about their partner’s friends . . . “

    Either one third of all men are lying, or else a whole lot of women out there have nothing but butt-ugly friends.

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  8. There’s nothing magical about the “paleo” diet. Your body doesn’t care where the food comes from. It breaks everything down into simple molecules before using them. Twinkies and fresh fruit are just carbs, and protein can come from lean meat or canned Spam.

    Weight control is simple math: use more than you consume. The only thing diets do is make you pay attention to what you’re eating.

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    • Carb, in and of themselves are not bad. It is where they come from that matters. Indeed, the prefered fuel for our brains comes from carbs. Ketones, however, have been shown to be a superior fuel source. Ketonic diets, going back to the 1920s have been proven to cure such brain diseases like epilepsy. as for carbohydrates, the source really matters. Twinkles, spam and other processed foods, are you kidding. Those foods have a glycimic load of well over 50. Since those extra sugars immediately end up in your system compelling the beta cells in your pancreas to immediately ramp up insulin production which in turn takes all the extra sugars out of your blood and deposits them in fat cells. But to digress, carbs coming from starchy cruciferous vegetables are best. Indeed, I would argue that they are even necessary. Not only that veggies such as broccoli and cauliflower have been proven to decrese estrogen levels while increasing testosterone levels, thereby rendering you leaner than you would otherwise be.

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    • Trimegistus. What you wrote there is utter bullshit.

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      • No, I am afraid that he is absolutely correct.

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      • The human body is not a closed system. The calories in / calories in model fails the moment someone sits down to take a shit.

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      • correction: calories in / calories out

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      • on August 24, 2011 at 12:37 pm Obstinance Works

        Fat: 1 gram = 9 calories
        Protein: 1 gram = 4 calories
        Carbohydrates: 1 gram = 4 calories

        In some ways nutrition is like rocket science. For example your body burns primarily carbs or fat depending on activity type and duration. Amino acids are needed for the proper metabolization of protein. Too much protein will lower T in men, but protein is a highly efficient nutrient and the most satiating. The human brain needs around 150 grams (600 calories) from carbs to function each day. That is true for everyone regardless of body type.

        Dieters also need to consider energy levels and binge eating and so much more. We need differing amount vitamins that work with other vitamins and at different times of day even. Then there are hormones and how foods are metabolized. Metabolism switches into starvation mode during sleep, so a sugary watery fruit is needed when you first wake up in the morning. Etc, etc, etc…

        So both theories of “calories in calories out” and “quality calories” are correct in a way.

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      • Obstinance Works:
        “The human brain needs around 150 grams (600 calories) from carbs to function each day. That is true for everyone regardless of body type.”

        are you seriously suggesting that our ancestors’ brains didn’t function for half the year back in pre-agricultural days during the winters when they had to survive on fishing & hunting?

        the liver can make its own glucose and combined with ketosis the body supplies enough glucose & ketones to the brain and the nervous system for them to function properly and perhaps even more efficiently. It’s only a problem during the adaptation phase (about 2 weeks) because most people have never been in ketosis mode because they’ve been eating too much sugar from Day 1.

        Burning calories is useless if those calories are glucose. You need to be in fat-burning mode AKA ketosis for a while if you’re serious about getting rid of the extra fat you’re carrying.

        (the idea is basically to cut all high glycemic carbohydrates for a while and to eat bigger meals but eat less often. The idea isn’t to eat less energy than you expend at the end of the day, it’s to lower insulin levels to be in ketosis and stay there for longer periods. In my personal experience being in ketosis meant losing weight with little exercise and not having to count calories. Your mileage may vary but this basic plan works.)

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    • Yeah because there is only one fatty acid and one carbohydrate outthere

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    • “Twinkies and fresh fruit are just carbs, and protein can come from lean meat or canned Spam.

      Weight control is simple math: use more than you consume. The only thing diets do is make you pay attention to what you’re eating.”

      Science has revealed not all carbs are equal.

      One example, a carb of fructose versus a carb of glucose. Glucose can be used by just about any cell in your body, it will get distributed and burned off as energy. It doesn’t need to be processed by your body.

      Fructose however, cannot be used by your cells as is, it has to be processed by the liver. So it goes to your liver, and your liver is likely to break it down and deposit it as fat along your abdomen.

      To lose weight, counting calories is not enough. You have to avoid fructose, which paleo does. It isn’t magic, it is science.

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    • There are studies that contradict these. For example in one study they put women on a 1000kcal diet, one based purely on fat, one purely on protein, one purely on carbs. The fat group lost the most weight, the protein group came in second, the carb group even gained a bit.

      It might also be important when you eat, for hormonal reasons: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21475137

      There is a lot more to it than energy in, energy out. There are different metabolic pathways both in storing and releasing energy depending on the source.

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    • The hormone insulin says you’re fucking wrong.

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  9. in other news, fuckin derp

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  10. Here is a diet that I have been following with great success:
    The Warrior Diet http://www.warriordiet.com/

    Basically the gist is to eat as little as possible during the day while feasting around or after dusk. For example, I never eat breakfast or lunch but I will snack on fresh a few berries and a couple Cherry tomatoes during the day or I will do a controlled 24 fast about three times a week. Note that Intermintant fasting (IF) will help greatly in your wheat loss efforts. Also, do your best to stay away from grains and sugars. As for tonight’s feast:
    1. A whey protien smoothie with berries, ice, coconut milk and whey protien.
    2. Spinach and almonds draped in extra virgen olive oil with a small bit of cumin.
    3. Steamed cauliflower and broccoli smothered in grass fed butter (CLA and Omega 3s!) – I need my T-boosting cruciferous fix after all
    4. 4 scrambled eggs draped with bacon and it’s grease – absolutely delicious! – topped with cheddar cheese and hot sauce.
    5. Some red wine and a couple pieces of dark chocolate (85pc cocoa) for desert and to help with digestion.

    There is no better feeling than to be thin, lean, strong, quick and agile.

    Also, I am sure this has been covered before, but I will point it out again. The more testosterone you have circulating in your system, the leaner and stronger you will be.

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  11. I’ve been solid Paleo since April and despite how much I eat, I still lost 30 pounds. Being thin has been weird for me, I always find myself with this uncontrollable aggression that I have absolutely nothing to do with….

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    • Low carb seems the way to go. i gave it a try 2 months ago and lost more weight than any of the low fat ones i’ve ever been on. nothing more than moderate easily tolerable hunger vs. the soul deep ravenous hunger experienced on low fat diets that always always lead to their abandonment. You just can’t tolerate soul-deep hunger for long.

      one thing though is the promise that one will regain their energy soon has not happened for me. other diets suck all the pep out of you and this one is sadly no different. still i’d recommend it to anyone and can’t understand why the word hasn’t spread more widely.

      I’m going to try to go pure paleo once i get my energy back, if that ever happens.

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      • on August 24, 2011 at 11:43 am Obstinance Works

        More people should take taurine for energy and many other benefits. Magnesium at night and add melatonin if sleep eludes you often. 8 hours of quality sleep is essential. Males lose a lot of testosterone off of just 5 hours of sleep.

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      • carolyn,

        I run low on energy with pure paleo as well. I lift weights a lot, too, and this makes it far worse. I have been doing a lot of reading and have started to add in some white rice and potatoes. Also, I eat a bit more fruit. This has helped with the energy a great deal. Something else good would be sweet potatoes. I often cut these into pieces and roast them with a touch of honey, olive oil, cinnamon and salt. Half way through, I add a chopped apple. It’s really good and adds a few carbs that will definitely help with muscle recovery.

        Also, something else that helps more than anything else is that once every week or two I have a recovery meal and eat whatever I want for it. Usually, it’s a big plate of spaghetti (I can’t help it. Homemade sauce is a must every once and a while!).

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      • on August 24, 2011 at 1:10 pm Obstinance Works

        I’ve heard that deer antler velvet extract is great for recovery. You need to get the right kind which is expensive. Whey protein is a wonder nutrient. Buy high-quality. And if Bob Dylan was a bodybuilder he would have sung “Everybody must do squats.”

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      • Can’t do the whey protein. When it doesn’t make me very nauseous, it gives me migraine headaches. I’ve had to learn to get all my protein through food. Not always an easy task. Never heard of the deer velvet extract. Will have to look into it.

        Also, if you like squats, head over to YouTube and check out Rippetoe squats. They are AWESOME.

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      • Mark Rippetoe also posts fairly often for T-Nation. His articles are some of the best.

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      • Ah, and lemon juice. Add lemon juice to those roasted sweet taters. It’s where all the flavor comes from.

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      • on August 24, 2011 at 11:12 pm Obstinance Works

        Had some on spinach today. So nice.

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      • Raw spinach? Yep, with some toasted pine nuts and pancetta or bacon. Maybe a few mushrooms. Cooked? MUST have garlic. Yum.

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  12. too skinny isn’t a big plus for a man, either. a big strong dude (not a fat weakling, but not a stick figure) will appear to be more alpha than some swishy jogging stipple.
    low carbs are the way to go, either way. muscle mass (and healthy hair and skin) is far better than carbomush or mannorexia.

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  13. Emma the EMO

    If there is a young woman that you truly hate – all the way to Marquis de Sade levels of enjoyment when seeing her experience agonizing failure, emotional pain, and endless humilialition – then take her aside and earnestly convince her that FAT is beautiful, hot guys dig abundant cellulite and well developed FUPAs, and she should demand to be accepted for anything she chooses to do because of who she “IS” inside.
    Stick around long enough and keep pretending to care and you might even get some of the first cell-phone photos of her corpse when the sniffing dogs find it.

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    • on August 24, 2011 at 11:36 am Obstinance Works

      And throw the adjective “rubenesque” in there and some point. HEHEHE.

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    • I never said anything like that. If a person is fat, they can either lose weight (which is possible for most people) or, if they find it TRULY impossible, get used to it, go on a FA site and get all the attention that they want.
      I’m against happy self delusion. But I’m also against the opposite extreme, which is self-hate. I think it’s important to know the reality and what risks being fat creates, and what limitations it can impose on you.
      And when you told me about the corpse, I kind of imagined someone who killed themselves because they were bullied for their weight.
      Conclusion: fat people should do what they can with what they have, to create the best possible outcome, which was my original point.

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  14. Virtually all Health Care Professionals are disturbed by the fantasies they inevitably begin to incubate in regard to fat people/patients. This is just one burden of the job.
    The nicer fantasies for dealing with fatties begin with chain hooks and rendering pots and the making of useful soap.

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  15. on August 24, 2011 at 2:40 am Good Luck Chuck

    I can land my fair share of women at 195 when I put a little effort into it but when I drop to 185 women start approaching me.

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    • I can’t remember a girl ever approaching me.

      I’ve seen friends get hit on all the time. It’s never happened to me once.

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      • 1. Be attractive.

        2. Don’t be unattractive.

        Yes, it’s a joke. If you’re not getting approached then you need to fix some external stuff about yourself, and if you can’t (eg short), then just get better game and approach more to make up the difference.

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      • on August 24, 2011 at 11:28 am Obstinance Works

        Lift weights and adopt a body posture and walk like Johnny Drama. You will then be approach, nay I say, openly molested by many a hot bitch.

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      • That doesn’t work for short guys who have a face that is noticeably below average in attractiveness. Add to that thinning hair starting in the late twenties.

        No, not every man is going to get approached, no matter what he does, and no matter where he lives.

        I’ve had nights out in Thailand where I wouldn’t get approached in a hooker bar.

        Some of us have to play extra hard to our strengths.

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      • Oh – I just remembered. Sometimes I am approached. But they are ugly and fat girls. No one I’d seriously consider.

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      • on August 25, 2011 at 3:20 am Good Luck Chuck

        I’m not gonna lie- these girls aren’t 9’s and 10’s, but it’s pretty surreal to go from women paying little attention to you unless you flash your brilliant personality to having them take the initiative to approach you based on looks alone. It really opened my eyes to the benefits of paying attention to your physical appearance. Pretty amazing that 10 pounds can make such a difference but once I became aware of this I looked at some before and after pics and I can see how much of a difference it made to the bring out the masculine qualities in my face.

        Oh yea, and I think it is important to note that if semi-attractive girls are approaching you can bet your ass that attractive girls will be more receptive to you approaching them.

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      • I wonder if I can get a boob job for my face?

        Actually, I do plan to go under the knife soon. Or at minimum squirt in synthetic fat in the cheeks. Or both. No technology to fix the hair yet.

        Most male celebrities do a lot of work on their face over the years. People say I look mid thirties or a bit more now, so with help I can maintain that for a decade or more.

        I wouldn’t do it for “confidence” or to “feel good about myself”. I don’t give a shit how I look – I rarely see my face – it’s not MY problem. I’d do it to maintain pussy attraction.

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      • Xsplat,

        If you are balding, do you have the head to shave it completely? I, for one, LOVE that look. Combine it with a full beard or a nice full goatee (not one of those ones close cropped to the face, gotta have a bit of length to it) . . . let’s just say I find this look highly attractive. Full disclosure, I love the rugged look, always have. It may not be your thing though, or your girl’s.

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  16. Some overweight women are like tricycles.
    They can be fun to ride for a short time, but you wouldn’t want your friends seeing you do it.

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  17. Ever visit an old folks’ home? Ever notice how many fat people are there? Me neither.

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  18. This may come as a shock to the “men have impossibly high beauty standards” gnashing of feminist teeth, but it is in fact women who have a much higher standard for an idealized male physique.

    You see men will very readily cater their physical “preferences” in accordance with what has proven sexually successful for them in past experiences. These preferences of convenience manifest themselves as ‘fetishes’ for men. All one need do is search the vast variety of physical attributes that men will fetishize. BIg boobs, small boobs, big ass, small ass, every hair color of the rainbow, shaved snatch, hairy snatch, teen girls to MILFs and older, ultra-thin to the ubiquitous BBWs (Big Beautiful women). Rule 34 was never more provable than in men’s willingness to fuck damn near any physical demographic of women – just ask the female midgets catering to that fetish of porn.

    On the other hand, from a purely physical perspective, it’s women’s idealized masculine form that hasn’t changed in millennia. While there may have been a rubenesque period when men loved the fatties of the 1600’s, no such era ever existed for women’s physical preferences. The classic broad chest, wide shoulders, six-pack abs and squared jaws of greco-roman athleticism are still the idealized male form that has graced EVERY romance novel cover in existence.

    I’m still waiting for someone to post me a link for a dating site that caters exclusively to women’s fetish of BBMs – average to good looking, fit women specifically looking overweight men. Executive Introductions caters to women seeking affluent, influential men, but women just looking for overweight men, that site doesn’t exist.

    So ladies, stop your bitching about men’s perception of beauty and how unfair it is to be subjectively compared in the physical as a basis for your personal worth. By historical comparison, you’ve got it easy when it comes to physicality. Unless you are an extreme outlier of physical deformity, there’s probably a niche of porn that specifically caters to your body habitus. And in terms of effort, it takes far more sweat and determination for men to build a man’s body into a masculine physical ideal than it will EVER be for women. Try to keep that in mind when you’re complaining about the stress you’re experiencing in contemplating the social implications of getting a boob job.

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    • Very well stated Rollo! I would just add that human nature has allotted women with a larger lipid tolerance as well. For men to have the body of a Greek God as it were, they would have to have as little as 2~4% body fat. Women can get away with as much as 15% body fat and still look hot.

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      • That’s shooting a little low, buddy. At 15% I had muscle definition in my arms, back and abs like a young boy; not hot.

        High teens to 22% or so is where women look sexy and feminine while still being fairly lean, at whatever weight. I’m at about 18% right now (naturally low bodyfat except on my hips) and I’d like it a bit higher.

        FWIW I hate very low body fat on men. I like lean, muscular (but not bulky – I’m slim and I like a slim guy), but not raw with every vein and sinew showing. Also whatever the Greeks were doing to overdevelop their obliques, looks dumb. Don’t do that.

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    • While there may have been a rubenesque period when men loved the fatties of the 1600′s

      Not really. That scrawny Rubens had a fatties fetish does not mean everyone had it. He had a few copycats, but if you look at baroque paintings in total, it is apparent that it was just a fad. Most paintings from the period portray normal figures (baby-fat angels were sort of customary). Not lean, but not fatties either.

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      • cadnerd – you consistently demonstrate your lack of education or a flawed perception of what you think you learned

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      • Education schmeducation. Look at the paintings. Not just Rubens.

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      • And next time you address my bad, be specific.Else people people may think that you diss to make yourself feel better or something.

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      • so if I take 20 minutes to write a detailed post to prove you are a donkey..at the end of it all..you are still a donkey ..masquerading as someone with insight and education..

        The point of :

        “While there may have been a rubenesque period when men loved the fatties of the 1600′s”

        Was about baroque paintings..and your apparent detailed knowledge of the majority of paintings in the era..extrapolating that to be a represenation of the population based on you thinking people of that era thought like we do? or about your wishful interpretation of what men of that era really liked …you dont know..jack

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      • I’ll try to make it simple so you can digest it.

        1. The statement “rubenesque period when men loved the fatties of the 1600′s” asserts that men liked fatties. Since there is no qualification, we can assume that the statement means men in general. You accuse me of trying to interpret how men thought during baroque period, but it seems that it’s the statement above that is presumptive. But that does not seem to register on your radar. The 5th grade textbook says men liked fatties, so that’s it for you.

        2. At the time, the only means of depiction were paintings, engravings (and statues). There was nothing else and thus the art was the means to capture the images of people to posterity. Nowadays we use photography. Now, if someone in the future looked at the photographs of our era, then according to your logic, it would be safe to assume that men of our era liked fatties.

        3. No detailed knowledge of the baroque period is really needed, though art history is one of my favorites. In fact, not to succumb to “educated” assumptions, it is better to put them to a test. One has to fire up google and search and peruse the paintings in the convenience of his abode (or library or where the internet connection is available), which I did. The result of going through the paintings of the period does not seem to support the initial statement. If men really liked fatties, them painters would try to “stretch” their subjects, wholesale.

        4. It looks like you don’t have an argument (not to be confused with being argumentative) so you have to resort to name calling.

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      • exactly this .. that was not his point..you know it, I know it..you twisted it like it was his point..so you could half ass comment showing your dazzling knowledge..you started with “not really” …it was you “making it” his point and then taking the counter point “not really” ..because you believe the 100 paintings you found on the internet represent ..what that era and culture found attractive..

        a) you dont know jack b) you are dishonest or unaware c) your rebuttal point 2 shows you are a really weak thinker d) donkey was I thought a descriptive compliment for the quality of thought ..keep jumping in show more of yourself ..I understand it now ..it’s comedy?

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      • I was not arguing with him. In fact, my comment may have support his whole point even more.

        Let’s look at it in more detail.

        “While there may have been a rubenesque period when men loved the fatties of the 1600′s, no such era ever existed for women’s physical preferences.”

        If I am correct, and the first half of the statement is dubious, then from that follows it is likely that no such era ever existed, when men in general liked fatties.

        That may be incorrect if it is not qualified. It seem that in more primitive tribal cultures, the rotundity of a woman my be considered desirable, the reasons being that apparently she is being fed well.

        But in the context if civilizations, if the art is the guide, the depicted women are on the slender side. It seems that once the subsistence levels were broached, the ideal changed, the body fat no longer represented a status.

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      • 100 paintings

        Make it about 700. I consider it a fairly representative sample.

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    • Rollo …. much respect.

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  19. I think you would inspire your partner to better health if you managed to maintain your health with paleo. If your not fat and workout and eat well, she should eventually get the hint. If she is reasonable though…

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  20. The BS on this site is that you can be a fat guy with alpha cred and bang 9-10’s. This is true, but a tough slog. Women are about 75% as much into bodies as men.

    Starve, lift weights, limited carbs, lipo if needed, but get your weight in gear before all else. It is cheap and simple not to eat much food for three months to get to an ideal weight. Male models are typically 6’1 170 with 28-29 inch waist. There is your ideal and what women want and your love life will be infinitely easier. For older men this is all absolutely necessary. Work abs daily to get the six pack that today’s 10’s demand.

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    • Your charming personality and bulletproof Game doesn’t make you look any better when your shirt comes off.

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    • Male models appearing shirtless on the cover of Men’s Health, etc have an average 7% body fat. Good goal and doable for most. Aren’t too many regular guys who can get t0 3-4% body fat.

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      • 3-4% is what body builders get too for a show. It is not healthy to be that low for long. People focus on numbers, when they should focus on the mirror. This goes for men and women.

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      • 3-4% body fat looks fucking ugly, anyway. Muscles are amazing but excessive vascularity and muscle fibers showing through the skin makes me think of autopsies. Hot and NORMAL, please..

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    • 6’1″ and a 170 is anorexic. I’ve been there. Chicks don’t take you serious, and men bump into you in public.

      Eat meat and lift weights. Chicks dig you if you look physically powerful, and men respect you, which chicks also dig.

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      • This is utter nonsense. I’m 6’1″ and 163 lbs. I have to eat a ridiculous amount just to STAY at 160+ lbs. I’m muscular and defined. I fill in a t-shirt very well and I’m in better physical shape than 90% of the white male schlubs in DC.

        Anorexic? What a foolish remark. I’ve found it’s generally chubby hairy guys who talk like this.

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      • Yeah, you look anorexic. I can pick you up over my head. Don’t talk about chubby either, I can probably do more pullups than you. But we don’t need to get into an internet cock waving contest. Just remember what I said next time some guy cuts in front of you in line.

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      • I have an overwhelming preference for thin guys – long as they are lean, have some muscle, and are not *too* thin. I know I’m not the only one (I have a couple cute friends who exclusively date thin to downright skinny [too skinny for me] guys).

        Plenty of women also like big, bulky dudes. To each their own. But I’m always glad to hear there are some thin men left! Part of it I think is that I am very thin myself (run in the family); I definitely don’t want a man to be *double* my weight (I’m about 100-105 lbs).

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  21. Some levity…

    The Obama administration is setting new workplace regulations to assist foreign workers who fill goat herding positions in the U.S

    Amongst other new rules:
    “Only one goat per person allowed in individual sleeping quarters. To alleviate jealousy and arguments leading to fights, individuals may claim their goat, including gay goats, as their own. Naming your goat is allowed but no goat can be named ‘Obaaaaaama.'”

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  22. I had the vague simple idea that the reason paleo was effective as a diet wasn’t because proteins are good calories and carbs are bad, or that some lay down fat more than others, but simply that carbs make you hungrier than protein does.

    Something about insulin, and grehlin.

    It’s about feeling sated – which makes eating less calories easier.

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    • One of the assumptions that tries to judge the effectiveness of the low carb diet, is that for some 200kya, humanity subsisted on the “paleo” diet. The fairly recent appearance of grains in our diet about 10kya may be too a short time for our metabolic processes to adjust to the diet change.

      There seems to be a physical proof, the skeletal remains from the period before grains become common shows that the degenerative diseases were far less prevalent than after the grains became the major staple.

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    • You can live a good life without most carbohydrates. There is no such thing as an essential carb. There are essential ammino acids, and essential fatty acids, but no essential whole grains. Granted, fiber is important – but you can get fiber from a variety of sources – all of which are natural and do not come from a box. Just because bread is brown doesn’t mean it is healthy.

      The only people scarfing down larger amounts of carbs (like over 100 grams a day) are people who are very active athletes, manual labor and people with scorching metabolisms. Note how few Americans this group includes, and why so many Americans are fat.

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  23. Ugh, this thread reminds me that I really need to get back into my paleo diet. I’ve let myself slide over the summer.

    I thought giving up bread and grains would be impossible but is actually very easy once you get use to it.

    Anyone have an opinion on intermittent fasting? I tried it for a couple weeks earlier this year and saw no real improvement. Though I doubt a few weeks is enough for any real change to occur. IF is suppose to have the same longevity benefits as calorie restricted diets. Definitely something to look into.

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    • Try 5 weeks fast for a real change to occur. Heh.

      A coworker of mine, a quarter of century ago, was still teaching in his 70s. He looked about 15 years younger. On querying him, he said that he is always a bit hungry. He did put on his plate smaller portions than most people.

      FWIW.

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    • Resveratrol, fisetin, and quercetin, off the top of my head, all also activate the sirt1 gene – as does intermittent fasting.

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  24. honestly, I would dump a girlfriend for losing weight. I’m just as shallow, but my tastes are rather… Backwards. 🙂

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  25. “if” the biggest word in the world..assumptions drawn from ..if maybe possibly .. seldom give the right answer

    if I take 10,000 photos of people’s feet ..can the people in the future then say..wow ..they really loved feet back in 2011..

    ..me an my 1000 person feet only photography club from around the world have all taken 100,000 photos..so it’s a statistcally meaningful sample

    and then we can say feet ..wow we know alot about that culture from these photo’s ..especially ..how they thought.. felt ..what they valued ..how those values were determined ..right ?

    or are we guessing? I work in a tough business ..we dont do guessing

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  26. if I take 10,000 photos of people’s feet ..can the people in the future then say..wow ..they really loved feet back in 2011..

    Straw man argument. If, on the other hand, there is a collection of artifacts that depicts a period, then one can make some extrapolations. However, one should take a care to get as wide sampling as possible. In our case, a substantial number of paintings. The ideal of beauty is reflected in them in total, not if one selects the example that is associated with the period by default.

    ..me an my 1000 person feet only photography club from around the world have all taken 100,000 photos..so it’s a statistcally meaningful sample

    It isn’t. You haven’t taken them.

    and then we can say feet ..wow we know alot about that culture from these photo’s ..especially ..how they thought.. felt ..what they valued ..how those values were determined ..right ?

    And yet, putting a period in a labeled drawer is fine with you? Baroque = Rubens = men luv’d fatties.

    If you really taken those pictures, you’d have to up the figure in several orders of magnitude. A friend of mine, a photographer, has about that amount of pictures in his archive. One photographer. My point 2 was that there is an access to the samplings from the period, most of what was produced. Based on that, we can make some reasonable assumptions.

    or are we guessing? I work in a tough business ..we dont do guessing

    Actually, a guessing is a part of any business. If you prefer taking some “facts” based on origin (authority, textbook, etc.) without checking whether they are true, you may run into red pretty fast.. Thus you would sample larger datasets, so your assumptions are more accurate, or reflecting on reality. You make a plan and figure out contingencies. It is still guessing, you can’t possibly anticipate all the factors that may influence your business health, but you skew the odds in your favor.

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  27. if maybe possibly .. seldom give the right answer

    It’s a necessary part of any inquiry. Answers just don’t hang out ripe on trees.

    Regarding the photos… Strawman argument. You did not take them. Even if you did, one photographer may have 100k pictures in his archive. Just one. So that won’t be statistically significant. On the other hand, if you can access a majority of artworks of a period, it would provide an aperture wide enough to produce statistically significant results.

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    • If I take a picture can that be considered equivalent to a work of art from a few hundred years ago? It takes me 2 seconds to take a picture and upload it to Facebook or Picasa. On the other hand, would most of the renowned works of art of these be indicative of the aesthetic taste of our society? I don’t think so given that most people don’t really appreciate most art (it’s made that way or it wouldn’t sell).

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      • If I take a picture can that be considered equivalent to a work of art from a few hundred years ago? It takes me 2 seconds to take a picture and upload it to Facebook or Picasa.

        Some photographs may be considered work of art, but they need to have some exceptional quality, contextually. That also applies to paintings that in the per-photography era had a similar function like photography today, to capture a likeness of a person. I’ll exaggerate to drive a point – a portrait from pre-photography times may be comparable to a well written CV (if the artist captured the likeness with a degree of accuracy), while thematic paintings would be like a novel. E.g. when you go to the photographer to get a pic for your passport or take a memento pic of your GF in front of Rome’s Coliseum, it’s not work of art.

        Can you rephrase the second part? It doesn’t make sense — not sure what “of art of these” is referring to.

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      • Yeah sorry I was rephrasing that sentence and didn’t look over it a second time.

        On the other hand, would most of the renowned works of art of these days be indicative of the aesthetic taste of our society?

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      • A the art in general goes, he future art historians may safely presume that we didn’t have, in general, any taste whatsoever.

        Gauging tastes as comeliness of females is concerned–from contemporary art–would be a futile exercise.

        As wenches go, one can gauge tastes based on more relevant data sources–porn sites, or sites where people are graded based on looks. There would be prolly some sort of way-back-machine as it is now–you can see cached sites from a decade ago.

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  28. Re your biz… Guessing is a natural part of any business. You can’t predict all the relevant factors for your business health. Thus you produce a plan that contains contingencies. That would reduce the risk factors. Most failed businesses did not heed that common sense rule.

    If you rely on “ready” answers form any type of authorit, without checking or comparing the data sets, then good luck, you’d need it.

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  29. EmoEmma

    If you are the kind to encourage a healthy young girl to work toward a prune-bellied look(with a lard apron drooping over her pussy area) it is a safe bet that you would also get off on seeing her actually die -, either from an overdose following the terminal self loathing that comes when she starts to see her life clearly — or just from a big piece of sausage she chokes on while having her mid morning 4000 cal sausage snack you insisted that she have.
    Lets face it, there is no form of pain and degradation that would not get you off if you could believe you caused it and your victims were potentially cute.
    You know that fat on a girl equals death. But this knowledge no longer bothers you. You are now sophisticated. Maybe you went to Stanford? Maybe you went to the Marquis de Sade middle school for sexual ethics.

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    • “If you are the kind to encourage a healthy young girl to work toward a prune-bellied look”
      Might as well stop reading there. Quit putting words in my mouth.

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  30. Sad, a dodgy survey, of dubious statistical value, claiming men prefer fat women. UK Tabloid gleefully trumpeting the results to its increasingly obese and mentally impaired female readership.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2029680/What-men-REALLY-want-brown-haired-blue-eyed-size-14-woman.html

    UK Size 14 is pretty big, by the way. And it’s in complete denial of reality. In nightclubs and bars, no one is chatting up the fat brunette.

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    • What an idiotic survey. Did they actually ask men about dress sizes? How many men could actually accurately guess a womans dress size?

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  31. on August 25, 2011 at 12:07 pm My Name Is Jim

    My problem with these studies is them going by straight BMI. I am overweight by BMI (over 25.0), but my bodyfat is athletic (6 to 13 percent according to Wikipedia). It is pretty easy for a guy to fall through the cracks, just go to the gym for a year or two and you can be both overweight by BMI and fit. And that also is another reason I don’t believe women who say that more middle aged guys than women are obese. I think they are taking BMI studies and reaching false conclusions. Straight BMI is presented as gender neutral but it really isn’t. It is easier for a woman to pass the BMI measure but still be fat.

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  32. “Just because something is found beautiful by 99,999999% of people, doesn’t make it objectively beautiful. It means there is still a small fraction that doesn’t find that thing beautiful.”

    So true. This percentage is much higher when going outside the species. Pigs for example accept obese women at very high rates.

    All beauty ever will be is something that implies fitness to survive. So you need to ask yourself this question:

    “Does this blue berry pie stained couch with a broken spring, stinking of sweat in front of a large screen playing the latest tear jerker, represent a crucible of Darwinian selection?”
    Are you beautiful?

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    • “All beauty ever will be is something that implies fitness to survive.”
      You can define beauty that way. In that case a buff strong woman would be the most beautiful. Beauty is tied with health in general, but not always. Either way those are concepts that you can look at separately. Someone can be heathy but not very pretty. And they can be beautiful and unfit for life.
      And I’m not sure what you’re getting at with that last paragraph. Are you assuming I’m fat and ugly? I’m neither. It has nothing to do what what I said though.

      [Heartiste: The odds are that the ugly person will be less healthy than the beautiful person.]

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      • Sure, but that just means you can’t always define beauty as “what’s healthy”. Meaning it’s an incomplete definition of beauty. My definition will always be “what’s pleasing to the eye”, but you can define it differently if you want.

        [Heartiste: Interesting philosophy you have there. I define Hitler to be a pretty cool dude.]

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      • Heartiste, beside being a non-sequitur, itsa invocation of Godwin’s law.

        Emma was right that your definition was incomplete, but so was hers. So far, no one has really nailed a concise definition. “Beauty is in the eye of a beholder” is a cop out, a self referential trick that sounds “deep”, but doesn’t really tell much.

        Some people may, in their sick and twisted minds, find some things beautiful, or “pleasing to their eye”. That was no doubt the case with the early Mongolian khans when the beheld the pyramid of severed human heads they ordered to produce.

        So what is it that’s missing?

        1. Symmetry. There is a reason why some physicists refer to equations as beautiful, especially when they are able to simplify both sides that the symmetry becomes apparent. Seems our mind are wired for symmetry. The main reason may be that within our biological context, the symmetry represents indirectly health.

        2. Golden Mean or other ratios. These are used as fundamental building blocks of/in nature. It seems they are wired, together with symmetry into our psyche, because we regard the deviations as ugly (or unnatural, if we get to the primary gauge).

        3. There was this thread about composite human faces for representation of human types. What is interesting is that the overlays of a substantial sampling of people led to beautiful faces, that reflected the above 2 elements. I have a pet theory that we have the ability to create a similar composite in our minds, and use it as our master image by which we judge the members of our species, predominantly the members of opposite sex (unless ‘cross-wired’). I don’t have time to lay it out in detail, but I’ll get to it one day.

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      • You’re right, “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” doesn’t tell you anything. It’s a useless definition, despite being the correct one to me. There are rules for what people find beautiful in general, like the ones you mentioned. What the observer finds beautiful is not arbitrary. My point was that beauty can’t be an objective property to the core, I just can’t see how it can be, since it depends on the observer (ulike stuff like materials and shape) and doesn’t exist without him/her. Also, I’m not arguing about this to prove how fat people are beautiful to everybody, just so you know.
        Other unobjective stuff: meaning of life (unless you’re religious), attractiveness, color.

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      • If the observer follows objective rules of judgment, then beauty can be objective.

        Our brains exist objectively and have objective patterns of operation. It should follow that our pattern recognition systems are not arbitrary.

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  33. This being fat can shorten your life is pretty much common sense.

    But what a nice spin to ladies keep slender for guys lol

    “Men, the findings (and general life observations) show that getting fatter won’t hurt your love life very much. ”
    ^ duh women are less visual than men & certainly more forgiving about looks than men.

    Plus women add in more factors than looks in ayttraction than men do.

    “Don’t push it, though.”
    ^ lol tell that to American men

    60% of Americans are overweight or obese and there are more fat men than women

    But what a nice way to tell girls don’t be fat & tell guys don’t be too fat lol

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    • on August 27, 2011 at 3:23 pm My Name Is Jim

      “60% of Americans are overweight or obese and there are more fat men than women”

      What study told you that, and how did it measure who is fat? If it’s like most, it’s by standard BMI, a flawed measure that is biased against men. I am overweight by BMI but athletic by bodyfat percentage. It’s because all BMI does is look at your weight relative to your height, it doesn’t care what KIND of weight it is. When men work out they gain more muscle than women do, so their BMI is higher even when they’re healthy. Women especially seem to have a hard time understanding this, they just repeat the same old flawed headlines over and over and never try to learn the real truth.

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  34. I remember a few years ago waiting in a car while my then-girlfriend went into a Planned Parenthood for a checkup prior to getting an IUD (no, not an abortion–PP does a lot of routine sex-related women’s health crap too, like contraceptives and STD-testing, etc.).

    Anyway, all the chicks I saw going in and out of the Planned Parenthood while I was waiting were super fucking hot. Like 8s and up. I was astounded. I thought I’d see broke-ass ghetto chicks in PP, but it was young, hot, white chicks.

    I concluded that the ones having sex a lot–and thus needing PP–were attractive women. I assumed the fuglies have no need for PP because they’re having less sex.

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    • Women will want to tell you any girl can get laid. But I agree with you – the hottest girls have more incentive to fuck around, because the game is rigged in their favor. They get what they want, on their terms.

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