The Allure Of Male Dominance

Men feel powerful lust from dominating attractive women, the same lust women feel from submitting to the domination of powerful men. But most men will never admit to this. Not because they agree with the myths of feminism, but because most will never be in a position to enjoy the sublime pleasures of dominance over women. A complete lack of acquaintance with dominating women, and a dearth of opportunity to do so, psychologically castrates weaker men until they embrace, at least in theory, the opposite of what they truly desire. The embrace of anti-desire, the dark matter of joylessness, offers respite from an otherwise unrelenting daily reminder of their sexual and romantic failure.





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  1. Speaking of male dominance, there was an interesting piece in the National Review recently on why Mitt Romney should embrace his top dog status to attract the female vote. https://www.nationalreview.com/nrd/articles/313504/boss

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    • The piece rid me of any doubt that National Review reads this site and probably Rational Male and MMSL. It does everything but actually say the forbidden word: hypergamy.

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    • NR shrewdly angles for the difficult CH vote.

      [heartiste: they lost it when they threw derb under the bus like the trembling cowards they are.]

      Anyway, it’s been shown here that direct observation of evopsych realities is often a turn-off to women. Women thrill to limitless fantasy, not stark reality. We need to learn better to lead heavily with the former before we hit with the latter. And to make $. It helps.

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      • Derb?

        What about Akin? He must read CH to site a point we read here on th past 6 months.

        [heartiste: if akin was reading this blog, he didn’t comprehend much. no one here ever wrote that women are *less* likely to get pregnant from rape. the science shows just the opposite, in fact.]

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      • Akins should be lauded for using the phrase “legitimate rape”.

        At some level, the guy recognizes that women will cry rape for various reasons unrelated to actual rape.

        [heartiste: that’s probably true. regrettably for his political career, he did not verbalize his gut feeling very well.]

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      • I think everyone knew he meant it that way… and that’s why he’s getting skewered by harpies, and harridans have sent their flying monkeys out after him.

        This is not yet the age where truth may be voiced overtly in the MSM.

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      • Some truths are being very well voiced in the MSM, Greg Eliot. Specifically, about the dangers of Todd Akin and the magical thinking that he evinces.

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/todd-akin-republicans_b_1826617.html

        I don’t often read HuffPost, but two different people have forwarded this to me. Maher has absolutely nailed this issue; nearly every line is a jewel.

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      • Why are you addressing me? I’ve written you off threads ago… stop playing the puppy sniffing a big dog’s behind.

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      • You don’t get to “pick” who addresses you here, Greg Eliot. It’s an open forum.

        You’ve said enough to show your true colors (heh), bucko. And I’m a firm believer in the idea that if you mock the devil, he will flee.

        So the mockery shall continue.

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      • Fancy you, talking about the devil fleeing, yet you keep turning up like a bad cent.

        The mocking you’ve been getting from me and others here seems to have had little effect on your odious presence.

        Indeed, you speak of the devil, yet have mocked Christianity at every turn… so I suppose you’re so used to getting mocked, you don’t even realize when you’re mocking yourself.

        Well, then, clap yourself on the back in faux victory… much like the little twerp who makes such a pest of himself that people just walk away, and he then believes he’s won the field.

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      • Maher is full of shit. It was a screed that appealled to you and your friends on an emotional level and completely misrepresented what most of us stand for, to include Akin. You have a deeply naive understanding of science yourself and you Marxists are quick to cherry pick and vilify science that doesn’t agree with your world view, in fact far more aggressively than any Cristian fundamentalist. Maher’s screed is laughably solipsistic.

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      • What he meant was “if I’m pregnant, then it was rape” scamming of the abortion rape/incest exception, but that’s not what it was taken-as (especially after the boneheaded non-medical knowledge).

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      • “especially after the boneheaded non-medical knowledge”

        Boneheaded?

        In fairness to Akin, anyone who isn’t very well aware that women are hyper-emotional creatures who can get all hysterical and squirt out a menses at the completely wrong time of the month is probably somebody who shouldn’t be hanging around this blog.

        In fact, in the spirit of this very thread at Heartiste, I will also go so far as to postulate the existence of the opposite: That there is likely to be at least one sub-category of crazy beeyotches out there who are so nuts that their reptilian brainstems will force out the ovum EARLY in order to have a chance at uniting with the rapist’s seed.

        At this point [in my intellectual journey towards hopeless cynicism], NOTHING would surprise me about female reproductive sexuality [i.e. the real science of it, not the political correct whitewashed junk science that the MSM tries to feed us].

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      • What exception?Since the early 70’s abortion has been legal in all States.

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      • That the’s hypothetical “except in case of rape or incest or to save the life of the mother” exception to get moderates and Democrats on board for a potential ban-abortion policy… all of which theory has been talked to death since ’73, so where’ve you been?

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      • @Heartiste,

        You may be interested in this graphic from a post by blogger Razib, where he reviews:

        Percentage who rejects right to abortion in cases of rape

        The most interesting part is the last 2 lines of the graph, it seems that:

        Women are 30% MORE likely to REJECT the right to an abortion in the case of rape than men

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      • bonding is a bitch.

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      • just floated that idea in a facebook comment:

        “Momo Loloz: will listen soon, but here’s a thought crime on top of that hate speech: whatever regulates sperm sorting in the female, — probably something to do with hormones, stress, and what are called “capacitating agents” for spermatozoa, — a “strong” signal like rape would be likelier to activate the ACCEPTANCE, not rejection, mechanism … especially if she is ovulating.”

        in re
        http://www.alternativeright.com/main/blogs/zeitgeist/the-rape-of-todd-akin/

        so what are your sources, heartiste? i couldn’t find much, was only speculating based on everything one has ever read here, etc.

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      • they lost it when they threw derb under the bus

        Not when Joe Sobran got tossed? When Frum published his “Unpatriotic Conservatives” piece? We all know what NR is.

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  2. on August 23, 2012 at 10:38 am Adonis The Vengeful

    Standing over my 20 yearold gf (9 years my junior) after aggressive sex, my hand on her throat, her lips pursed, my seed spilled inside her because fuck it, going raw sucks and nutting inside is what I want to do….feelsgoodman

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    • did you mean *not* going raw sucks?

      watched this today after having some trouble coming with a condom yesterday:

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      • on August 23, 2012 at 3:03 pm Adonis The Vengeful

        Yes NOT raw sucks

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      • I would agree with that. I can’t imagine having sex with a condom. It’s so unromantic.

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      • I can’t imagine you having sex at all, condom or no condom.

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      • I can sooo imagine having sex with my baby.

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      • Part of why I use a condom is because girls are retarded like this. All that stuff the main stream media tells everyone about how girls will want guys to use condom and it’s the man’s responsibility to make sure he has one on him and how guys are always the one’s that’ll be like “no baby let’s not use one…” and try to just stick it in etc is bullshit.

        The number of girls who’ve not just been okay with not using a condom but actively whined when I put one on is terrifying. If they want to go condomless with me, they’ve gone condomless with other guys. Don’t be a fool, wrap yer tool!

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    • Bareback…

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    • Wait, you trust her to be on the Pilll…

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  3. How about some examples of how to ramp up the dominance? I mean how do you actually dominate?

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    • on August 23, 2012 at 11:28 am eat it up beat it up

      Examples are all over this blog. Start by reading the Sixteen Commandments of Poon.

      Game, in and of itself, is dominance.

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    • Spank her more and the monkey less.

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    • One way I use to establish dominance is tug at a girl’s hair—like a boy would. I do it if I’m dancing and she steps on my feet or we’re chatting and i’m up close. Try it…tug at her hair and watch her reaction without losing frame. Just smile. It’s like immediately she submits…from there you can escalate. Works every time to put girls into an aroused state quickly. You have to establish some type of attraction but it’s like “anti-kino”–you’re touching her, it’s playful but there is a bit of nastiness in it.

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      • …and smacking that ass, not to mention.

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      • Other night at a bar here in SF, watched a guy leave his girl — a very meek and pretty 7.5 who wasn’t above timid glances my way (lozlzozoz probably afraid) — to go piss, come back, and instead of making some stupid “I missed you!” beta gesture, playfully, but with some force, slap-bat her face between his two hands.

        Lit up like the proverbial Christmas tree. Playful violence works. The end.

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    • Watch Netvideogirls porn clips. That guy does a good job of mock dominance.

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    • Yea – This chick i’m banging definetly likes it when i pull her her during sex. Never would have done that before I read this blog. It’s not a violent pull either, just a firm pull that tilts the head. I was just curious what some other readers do to show dominance in every day life without coming off as a try hard.

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      • Playful slaps. Nine times out of ten the reaction will be a delighted I CAN’T BELIEVE U JUST DID THAT!!!, while the tenth will be a shriveled up shitbag you don’t want anyhow.

        Just be the chimp.

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  4. on August 23, 2012 at 10:48 am 3rd Millenium Men

    This is so far outside betas’ realities that they couldn’t even believe or comprehend the joy derived from the domination/dominating you refer to Heartiste. Let them bask in their ignorance

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    • Let them bask in their ignorance

      A feminist couldn’t have said this better. You understand that right? Beta Bros Before Hypergamous Hoes!

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      • on August 23, 2012 at 6:12 pm 3rd Millenium Men

        Let them bask in their ignorance because that leaves more and more women to be satisfied by the alpha men among us!!

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  5. a salient quality about my boyfriend is the fact that nothing will ever be (or has been) negotiated on my terms – including affection. it’s not that he won’t sometimes stroke my hair or hold me close to him, but it will only ever be at his whimsy. attempting to make demands of him just makes him irritable or makes him retreat. his mood – when provoked – is tyrannical and relentless, and so i’ve just learned not to make demands.

    this contrast from my ”typical self” – outside of this man, is something friends and roommates have remarked on. being a pretty and intellectually capable girl, it’s a role reversal for me to not leverage the power.

    i’ve even asked by strangers – in public – what i’m doing with the psychotic madman that is my boyfriend. he’s not abusive, or anything like that, but he sometimes likes to make a spectacle in public for the ego gratification and attention: i am much more physically attractive than he is, and he’ll grab me by the forearm and walk me around jokingly like a pimp.

    i make excuses and attempt to justify his outrageous behaviour, but the real reason why i ”tolerate” his behaviour is simple: it turns me on. the fact that he has the ability to control me makes me wet.

    his psychological frame has become less and less hyperbolically insane and more and more alluring over time. any testament to this is the occasional attempt to rationalize to outsiders ”why” x, y and z behaviour goes on. he’s brilliant at controlling the frame, even when it doesn’t make sense.

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    • One hell-of-a-good comment. I’d like to read a guest post from her here on the particulars of this wetness inducing interaction.

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    • >He’s brilliant at controlling the frame, even when it doesn’t make sense.

      Great insight here. This is a huge part of it. It doesn’t have to make sense. A lot of this is under the guise of joking. You never let her get the upper hand.

      A great example is when me and my most recent girl (who was absolutely gorgeous) would play boardgames. If I won, I would–jokingly–rub it in her face. If she won, I would always jokingly make up excuses why she won: I’d played a more rigorous game, she took the easy way out, etc.

      No matter what happened, I always seemed to be able to make her angry and frustrated. Even made her cry a few times. So whether I won or lost, she always felt defeated. We would get into play physical fights where she was partially really angry. That was always the best sex.

      The more angry and upset she was, the better the submission and thus better the sex.

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    • “he sometimes likes to make a spectacle in public for the ego gratification and attention”

      That’s some weak ass, approval seeking beta shit right there.

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    • How come most of the females commenting in here got alpha boyfriends?

      Is that the equivalent of male KJs who travel around the world banging 9s and 10s?

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      • Probably because most of them are in reality (ahem) catchers on the same team.

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      • Ha! 😀

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      • Don’t know, don’t care: but I DO NOT want to see any cunty “guest post”. ‘Specially not with all those illiterate slashes.

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      • …from someone who can’t place a period inside a quotation mark, no less. Obviously it was a glitch error with the formatting and not intentionally typed out.

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      • Punctuation marks don’t belong inside quotation marks unless they pertain directly to the quotation itself, rather than the sentence containing the quote.

        No, I don’t care about what some English teacher has to say about it. I care about what is practical, logical, and intuitive.

        Language serves the person, not the other way around.

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      • Selection bias. They read and connect to the blog because they identify with the emotional vicissitudes the oscillate between thanks to their Alpha-boyfriends. Plus, I say this not as a boastful statement – my boyfriend exercises control over my better interests.

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    • (Slighly in jest, but still curious for explanations): How about (a guy) dominating (a) woman to such an extent that he says “I’m gonna cheat on you…” Instead on being at least as turned on by his brazenness, she (probably) reacts rather differently…. So, (sincerely)…what gives? That could be considered an ultimate expression of domination, no?

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    • >it’s not that he won’t sometimes stroke my hair or hold me close to him, but it will only ever be at his whimsy.

      Exactly. Never give women love when they want or expect it.

      Give her some flowers you picked from her garden on Valentines and take her to a fancy dinner and a night of romance on April 19th.

      Random acts of love make women go crazy.

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      • Yep, keep her guessing, and maintain frame control.

        I boycotted giving red roses to my wife for five years. Then one day I showed up with a dozen, handed them over, and walked away without a word. No reason at all. She still tells everybody about that. It somehow makes her feel high status.

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    • Are you white, and is he non-white?

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  6. Lead her, plow, blast through or smoothly sail around shit tests, make her feel like a little brat, use your physicality, lead the group.

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  7. Speaking of the allure of Male Dominance…

    Another guy pulls the “fake celebrity” routine, this time on the streets of New York City.

    Witness the OMGs from the legions of female “fans” as they fawn over this guy who is, by most all accounts, an Average Schmoe.

    According to many on this site, this insta-pseudofame now automatically makes this guy an “Alpha Male” which I disagree with, but witness the DHV of pre-selection and fame in action.

    VIDEO: http://gawker.com/5937205/prankster-pretends-hes-famous-convinces-people-hes-an-actual-celebrity

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    • He got some male gullible beta fans too.

      Sure, they’re not sexually attracted to him like females, at least I hope so, but this celebrity prank bullshit is weak evidence for hypergamy. It makes it easy for fembots to pull out their “uh no, men and women react the same way, we are equal, see, see?” card.

      Betas must cease to exist in order to prove that fembots are wrong.

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      • It’s even bigger evidence for “social proof”. Massive, undeniable, in-your-face evidence that most people are sheep.

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  8. “Besides the firmness, another reason men like to date younger women is to utterly dominate them. Both parties happily consent to this.”

    Dominating an older (e.g. 26+) woman would look and feel silly for both man and woman. That’s probably another reason why it’s so difficult to find love at my age, especially for those of us who believe in romantic love …

    “When Bill Clinton dominated Monica, she adored him for it. This is something feminists will never get: the power asymmetry begets the love. 58 minutes ago”

    Agreed. If there’s no power asymmetry there is no chemistry. I wonder how boring feminists and feminized men can fall in love with each other? Maybe they like each other because they think they’ve found their soul mate … However, their relationships are extremely unromantic. Boring.

    (Please, don’t delete my comments because I don’t want to write them for nothing. Thanks.)

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    • Dominating an older (e.g. 26+) woman would look and feel silly for both man and woman

      It might look funny, to the fly on the wall, but it still feels pretty good… to both parties, regardless of age.

      At least that’s my experience… your mileage may vary.

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    • When I was in high school and college, I always observed that I seemed to be least attracted to women my own age. Either I was attracted to the fresh, submissive younger girls; or I was turned on by the idea of utterly dominating a higher-status girl. At the time I thought maybe it was just that there happened to be a lot of unattractive girls in my grade, but looking back that wasn’t really the case.

      It’s not the case any more, since at my age older women tend to be substantially less physically attractive than younger women.

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    • Screaming feminazis just love being dominated by violent low-IQ ex-convicts who beat and bugger the crap out of them.

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  9. “Ugly truth: the majority of men with low sex drives are actually men with normal sex drives in relationships with unattractive women. 13 minutes ago”

    Oh. What about a much higher percentage of women with low sex drives? Does that mean they are in relationships with losers?

    [heartiste: yes and no. your analogy is wrong because women do have, on average, lower libidos than do men. this is scientifically proven. and a woman’s lower libido takes a nosedive as she ages into her late 30s and beyond, much more severe a drop than that experienced by men. however, it is also true that many women are in relationships with betas whom they have settled for, and this likely depresses their libidos much the same way that ugliness, fatness and aging of women’s looks depresses men’s libidos.

    ps stop being a cunty spergy troll for once in your life and think before you comment.]

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    • You’re talking to me again?

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    • I was so happy when I saw your comment!

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    • But part of Maya’s trollish charm is her obtuse, maddeningly literal interpretation of everything stated on this blog. If you said, “it’s raining men”, she would reply with, “oh no, what if somebody gets hurt?” It wouldn’t be the same without her!

      [heartiste: i suppose spergs can have their quirky charms. but that’s assuming she’s obtuse. i’m less sanguine about her uncontrived innocence.]

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      • Well, I never called it “uncontrived innocence”, as her comments are clearly calculated for maximum trolling power. But to maintain that level of consistently cultivated obtuseness over time takes skill, no?

        [heartiste: no doubt. she is a high level troll, intentional or not. her “success” is probably part genuine obtuseness and part calculated pose of naive inquiry. i lean toward the latter explanation because i’ve seen her comment on other sites, and there, where she doesn’t have to face the gom jabbar she faces here, her claws are out and tinged with blood, and she is much less phonily naive.
        thus, the thrashing i give her will continue until her morale improves. ie, until her soul breaks in two.]

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      • Wow … I’m not happy to read that you think I’m obtuse. My family and friends believe that too. Somehow I still manage to live (relatively!) normally. For now.

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      • Maya is dumb like a fox.

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      • And Lara is a very smart girl 🙂

        [heartiste: spergs of a feather…]

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      • Haha. Almost.

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      • Crazy like a fox is the common parlance.

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      • Yes, it’s so common that the commenter was riffing on it.

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      • Riffs have to make sense to be clever. Foxes are not “dumb”.

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      • Maya is actually quite intelligent, and belongs to that exceedingly rare breed of chick who actually “gets it”.

        [Well, assuming she is who she claims to be, and that she is not actually some fat pimply computer geek posting from the comfy confines of his hypergamous mother’s basement.]

        Her post the other day, on “pizza algebra”, over at Steve Sailer’s place, was an absolute classic.

        I tried to tell her to hurry the hell up and get on with her life and find a good man and make about 10 or 15 babies with him [and of course I volunteered my own seed if she couldn’t find a good man locally], but Komment Kontrol over there wouldn’t have any of it.

        Seriously, though, Maya – if you really are a 20-ish-something female – PLEASE quit f*cking around with all this theoretical nonsense and start f*cking around with the explicit purpose of MAKING BABIES.

        The future of the species depends on you.

        Thanks.

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      • Heartsie, I do not comment anywhere else. Seriously. I posted a few comments on Hookingupsmart, RooshV and Neecy a while ago and this is all.

        [heartiste: the maya who comments at SS writes like an amped up, gloves off version of you. if you two are the same, then the maya you play here is an act to soften your bitch soul.]

        “thus, the thrashing i give her will continue until her morale improves. ie, until her soul breaks in two.”

        Well, you’re really confident …

        [it is required.]

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      • Sweetie, I do not comment at Steve Sailer.

        [heartiste: why should i believe your word over my instincts?]

        Also, I’m not a bitch.

        [i’ll be the judge of that.]

        “[it is required.]”

        So why would you want to break my soul?

        [because you willingly place it on the breaking wheel.]

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      • Heartsie, you should believe your instincts, of course, but I’m just telling you the truth.

        “[because you willingly place it on the breaking wheel.]”

        I don’t. I just like this blog and you. But you don’t believe me …

        Come on, do you really think I’m a feminist hater?

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      • [heartiste: the maya who comments at SS writes like an amped up, gloves off version of you. if you two are the same, then the maya you play here is an act to soften your bitch soul.]

        The duality of the Queen Bitch and the put-upon, misunderstood innocent ingenue is a telltale sign of homosexual persona… are we absolutely sure of maya’s…um… genderal inclinations?.

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      • It’s also often the persona of a manipulative woman.

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      • Naw… with women its usually one or the other, true to form. You can’t pull off both to the people around you, once you’ve shown one or the other.

        With the fey crowd, however, it’s how they act versus how they feel inside. Witness much of stage writing over the past three generations, where they dominate.

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      • “thus, the thrashing i give her will continue until her morale improves.”

        pretty sure she keeps posting because she loves your verbal spanking, lol

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      • I LOOOOOVE him ❤ I want to meet him in person and hug him and kiss him. He's the cutest guy on this planet.

        [heartiste: swallower? check.]

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      • i love you

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      • if i swallow, will you then allow me to love you?

        [heartiste: child, when your eyes look up at me in exquisite despair after you’re done, will you then know love.]

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      • i wish i could do that with you … what if i then asked you kindly to sleep with me – would you fulfill my wish?

        [heartiste: your wish is my demand.]

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      • Sugar, what does that mean?

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      • Sorry for the last comment but I really didn’t get it. I only know the phrase ‘your wish is my command’ but you wouldn’t say that so I thought that with ‘demand’ it has a different meaning. Couldn’t find it in the dictionary though.

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  10. A hedge-fund guy (albeit married) has an interesting take on alpha-beta. From what I can gather Tom is not a full-on red pill guy – not even sure if he’s hear of Heartiste, et al., but he’s friends with The Derb and he’s usually worth reading:

    http://freenj.blogspot.com/2012/08/would-we-still-shoot-liberty-valance.html

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  11. Here’s another article that gets into the need that women have for male dominance.

    There are so many Chateau principles contained within this piece. It is so full of truth that, should a plugged-in Beta read this, he will slowly shake his head in empathy, his blood pressure rising as he reads how the “bitchy Alpha women” are referring to his brethren Betas and the truth hits too close to home.

    While those having taken the red pill will read this, although they will be nodding their heads. For them it is in total understanding of where the women in this story are coming from, seeing the deeper psychologial truths being acted upon and using this as yet more evidence of the need for men to be as dominantly alpha as they can be relative to the women they wish to attract.

    ARTICLE: “Alpha Women, Beta Men”

    http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/features/n_9495/

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  12. Don’t forget to tuck your nutsack in before you head to work. Very few men these days truly dominate. Most never feel it, some compartmentalize it to deceive women. I wonder what your girl would think of you as you bend over to do your boss’s will every day.

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    • This is why a man’s home should be his castle… even a serf can be a king in some small corner of the planet.

      Let’s face it… you either kiss one boss’s ass or, if you happen to be your own boss, you kiss innumerable customers’ asses, if you want to make a living these days.

      And we all kiss IRS ass… if we know what’s good for us.

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    • Being in a hierarchy structure at work does not necessitate that you are being dominated.

      You might notice in politics, sports, or even in your workplace, there’s always that one employee or athlete who the boss or coach doesn’t even have the balls to stand up to.

      Why? Because he set the boundaries that way. Likewise, you ought to do the same.

      If your boss yells at you the first time, you sure as anything better (gently and skillfully) put him in his place, lest you be under an undesirable dynamic that you created via your own complicity.

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      • The way corporate men are nowadays, if you stand up to them (man-bitches that they are), they find ways of getting you out the door come the next “downsizing”… even if you’re more productive than anyone else on the team.

        You know, the old “cut off the nose to spite the face” mentality.

        It’s only in the real small shop that men who produce have the freedom to be men… where the bottom-line is directly and immediately affected by every cog in the machines… and is more important than a superior’s ego.

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      • Bitchin’, backstabbin’ office castrati… work exists to make them look and feel important, not to accomplish anything (responsibility accomlishing anything is for Beta bitches who can’t shove it off onto someone else, you know).

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  13. Well said.

    Most men have been so alienated from their own sense of masculine sexuality that they cringe at the idea of male dominance. But it’s the foundation of Game. If you cannot admit that human sexuality revolves around male dominance and instigation, and female submission within the context of a romantic relationship, you’re just playing.

    You don’t need to be Conan to be dominant in your relationship, though. There are plenty of Alpha Displays you can pull, starting with standing up straight and dominating her personal sphere. A hand on the shoulder, arm, or back of the neck is a dominance play. Pushing her suddenly up against a wall and kissing her is a dominant act. Telling her, not asking her, is dominant. Telling her no instead of yes is dominant. Telling her you have other plans when she goes flaky is dominant.

    There are thousands of things you can do every day to establish your dominance in your relationship without thumping your chest or wearing camo. This isn’t rocket science, Gentlemen.

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    • Yes, but nowadays men are socialized to believe that male dominance = illegal abuse, so for them it *is* rocket science. Male dominance is presented by the media in cartoonish extremes, and most normal men who don’t aspire to villainy will sublimate their natural desire to dominate into sports, work etc.

      When I first told my husband I wanted a dominant man, his reaction was: “well, I’m not into all that black leather and dungeons stuff.” When he realized I just meant I wanted him to take the lead on major decisions, tease me playfully, and spank me when I was naughty, he was excited because he enjoyed doing all that anyway. I think many men feel the same way, but feminist socialization has them living in fear. There was an article about the female rape fantasy that said it was almost as common among men, but men were *much* less likely to admit it because they felt like criminals doing so.

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      • I do this too and my wife worships me. It works very well.

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      • Yeah, it’s just not sensitive to yell “Yeah, take it all, bitch!” while doggy-style or ass pounding your woman hard… all the let’s-be-non-competitive-and-share-everything crap guys get from kindergarten onward nowadays just works against that.

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  14. And most institutions teach men the opposite in today: from schools, churches, organizations, to modern art, music and movies where women are worshiped by men (and the men succeed!).

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  15. Submissive women want to be dominated because they love it. Dominant women want to be dominated because it’s so rare that they meet a man who CAN dominate them.

    Dominant women are usually VERY shocked when you show them you understand this concept. I’ll even say it flat out to them.

    I’ve found that a lot of dominant women who legitimately get off on sexually dominating men (not to be confused with feminist type women who’ve been brainwashed to pretend to like being in charge but are secretly (even to them) dying for a man to take the lead), tend to like being dominant to a man on the side but actually have a primary man who dominates them (ie – the submissive men are play-things for her that her dominant primary man allows her to have).

    The sex when you’re dominating a dominant woman is usually pretty fucking awesome and depraved lol the loss of power is so rare to them that they go all out in the role of being submissive and want you to defile them to some pretty fucked up extremes.

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    • Not to pry, but is this comment related to the pooping on a woman incident? 🙂

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      • To an extent. She was dominant in her relationship but it was only because her man became beta over time so SOMEONE had to wear the pants. In the bedroom she’d try to dominate (slap me, hit me, scratch me, spit at me, etc) but it was more about trying to piss me off so I’d do worse things to her than about her getting actual sexual satisfaction from dominating. The more she’d try to dominate the more she’d get excited from the anticipation of what I’d do to her when I got ahold of her. Basically she loved the thrill of poking the sleeping bear and panicking over when and how it’s going to react.

        I’d let her get away with some of it and then suddenly just plow through it enraged and grab her…it wouldn’t have been as fun a fantasy for her if I didn’t play along and let her feel like she had control at first. It’s that “oh fuck the tables have turned on me” feeling that she got off on.

        Over time I just ran out of stuff to do to degrade her and had to reach into some pretty twisted corners lol we were doing stuff you only see in fucked up foreign Internet porn and I’d make her send me pics and vids of herself doing twisted shit to herself when I wasn’t around (so it wasn’t just about me doing stuff to her physically, it was about overall being dominated by me). The thing is that she didn’t love the things because of the acts themselves, she loved them because it was the bear waking up…so whether it was shitting on her or just slapping her around, the turn-on for her was that it was me reacting to her. The more fucked up the stuff I did to her was, the more of a reaction she was getting from me, the more of a turn-on it was for her.

        The “I’m going to treat you like shit because I WANT to piss you off and have you overpower me and punish me for it” dynamic is pretty common for women, I’ve found. Not just in the bedroom but in seduction in general, a lot of the really hot girls who act like complete bitches are doing it because they’re secretly hoping that one day one of the bears they poke will wake up and confidently pin them against a tree. This is why guys who are pussies and back off disappoint them and why they laugh at guys who get all butt-hurt at their shit-tests (“whatever fuckin bitch you’re too ugly for me anyway!! 😥 grrrr NEXT!!!”).

        A lot of this comes back to the concept where a girl wants to feel a variety of emotions across the spectrum, even bad emotions, so she gets to experience ///// instead of an emotional flatline like ——– (which would be boring routine vanilla missionary sex with her husband of 10 years)

        Anyway, don’t do this stuff if you’re a newbie or you’ll end up with rape charges lol this girl was an extreme case and I have a lot of calibration and experience and was safe about it (we had safe words and videos of her giving consent and shit), so don’t try this at home. 😛

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      • She had a boyfriend?… And you shitted on her?

        I think I just lost all hope in human kind… And at the same time, I have a weird boner.

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      • Point of order… in polite company, are we to say shitted or shat?

        I’d hate to appear ill-bred.

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      • shitted is in the dictionary.
        If ever in doubt, use “took a shit”

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      • Alas, another jest fallen flat!

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      • fyi bro

        ‘shit’ is an old participle of ‘shoot’,

        hence the confusion of which way to signify the participle today: ‘shitted’, ‘shat’, or “took a shit”.

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      • I agree, this thread is total crap.

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      • Fiance. He has no idea she’s like that. They have routine missionary sex where he gets off and goes downstairs to play videogames while she finishes herself off with a vibrator that she has to hide from him because he sees them as competition.

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      • yareally takes passing a shit test to a whole nother level.

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      • Passing, or administering?

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      • Feh.

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    • @Yareally, “Could you describe the ruckus, sir?”

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    • In other words… all women love to be dominated.

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  16. Heartiste: I am not able to follow you every day – I check in every few weeks – but have you ever covered a blog called “Anonymous Conservative – Understanding Political Thought Through Evolutionary Psychology”?

    Just FYI, he’s got a huge new piece on some possible biological underpinnings of male homosexuality:

    Neurological Correlates of Political Ideology and Homosexuality – The Extreme r-Hypothesis of Homosexuality
    http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/?p=421

    …From the abstract of the study on homosexual genes:

    “Our analysis showed that both mothers and maternal aunts of homosexual men show increased fecundity compared with corresponding maternal female relatives of heterosexual men. A two-step statistical analysis, which was based on t-tests and multiple logistic regression analysis, showed that mothers and maternal aunts of homosexual men (i) had fewer gynecological disorders; (ii) had fewer complicated pregnancies; (iii) had less interest in having children; (iv) placed less emphasis on romantic love within couples; (v) placed less importance on their social life; (vi) showed reduced family stability; (vii) were more extraverted; and (viii) had divorced or separated from their spouses more frequently.”

    So not only does this gene make male carriers more feminine, it also makes females more fecund, and less likely to end up in a monogamous relationship. Such female carriers will exhibit less desire to rear children, be less romantically attached to their partner, be less likely to have a stable family, and be more likely to divorce or separate. Promiscuous, feminized males, and females with low rearing drive and an aversion to monogamy. Where have we seen that before?

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  17. This is probably one of the most insightful posts of this entire blog.

    Here’s a question for the forum: Is it more dominant to dominate a woman erotically – basically turning here into a cock-addicted slut – or to dominate her physically – administering pain in various ways and degrees?

    I incline towards the former. I personally have little to no desire to beat a woman or otherwise inflict violence on her. But to erotically awaken that “inner slut” coiled deep inside every girl is a definite aspiration of mine.

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    • Women don’t separate them. Why should you?

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      • Because I’m just not into whips and cannings and all that.

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      • Not into or aversion to?

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      • Not into. I’m more interested in turning a completley respectable woman into a depraved sex-addict. You know, secretly lead her down a path of debauchery. That’s all.

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      • Vicomte Valmont game.

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      • Hell, forgot the de/

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      • You’ll have to screen for submissive chicks who are into the psychological submission. The ones who want to be txted in the middle of the day and told to go to the bathroom and masturbate and send you pics of it. That’s a certain type of woman who’s dying to DO that stuff but is surrounded by guys who don’t know how to read the signs and escalate their relationship to that.

        Means you’re gonna have to hook up with a lot of women and learn to dig into their fantasies and test the waters and not show a single ounce of judgement or madonna/whore complex etc.. There isn’t really any material on doing this, a lot of it comes down to experience with seduction and building comfort/rapport and leading the conversation to sex.

        You can’t turn a girl who has low sex drive or hangups about sex into a depraved sex-addict…but you can take a girl who’s secretly a depraved sex-addict (and may not even realize it) and UNLOCK that in her and become the safe outlet where she can express that stuff. And as 50 Shades of Grey’s sales have demonstrated, a shitload more women are sexually “locked up” than most guys realize. 🙂

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      • There are other avenues. Whip off your belt and choke her with it during foreplay. Punch her in the hips as you’re going doggy. Just before going to the bog tell her that she better be bent over with her naked arse in the air when you get back, smack her like a good little girl and then force it in. Sink your teeth in when you cum.

        Dominant sex does not equal the highly contrived and set up standards of BDSM. The whole idea of planning what implements to use and how, asking a woman how far she wants to take it and then deciding on a safeword is enough to put one off sex due to how far it will take you out of the moment. In addition, the practice of BDSM is intrinsically one where the submissive holds the power.

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      • “The whole idea of planning what implements to use and how, asking a woman how far she wants to take it and then deciding on a safeword is enough to put one off sex due to how far it will take you out of the moment.”

        This is another thing, even if you’re getting into crazy kinky shit, girls like it when it still feels like it “just happened” in the moment. I’ve like, completely planned out a whole session before (“okay I’ll start here and do this to here, then drag her by the hair over to here and use this on her, and put her hands up to where I hid the handcuffs and then cuff her there and–“) but in the moment when the girl shows up I just sweep her away into it and act as if it’s all spontaneous and keep most of it as a surprise for in the moment where on top of the passionate emotions she’s also got a little fear of “wait what?? how did I get handcuffed? oh shit what’s that in his hand?!” etc. I’ve replaced the light in my room with a red one and put together death metal music playlists to boom during the whole thing etc. It’s really a pretty awesome memorable night all around lol

        But If I plan something out like this it’s usually because I’ve hooked up with her a few times and tested the waters and had enough conversations (and enough txt message convos about it to keep me out of jail lol) to have an idea of what all she’d be into and what would be pushing her boundaries etc. so a night like that is a reward for a good fuckbuddy.

        For a normal girl I’m only having one night with or have only just met or an average fuckbuddy I just have a handful of default dominant “moves” I throw out there (slam and pin her against the wall makeout (remember the hand behind her head, I’ve fucked that up before lol), bend her over certain furniture on the way to my room, throw her onto my bed a certain way, etc. etc.).

        “In addition, the practice of BDSM is intrinsically one where the submissive holds the power.”

        Agreed. Her tastes are what determine what we do…my role is more to 1) help her live out her fantasies, and 2) push her boundaries a little bit beyond what she’s expecting because she’ll never ask to have them pushed but often in the moment she’ll go along with it and enjoy it and want more later. Chick I shit on I had been seeing for a few months and escalated things more and more each time. She seriously didn’t seem to have any limit, it was awesome. I can’t even tell friends about the shit her and I did because their idea of kinky is choking a girl lol Fuck that chick was fun.

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    • I think the erotic version works with all women. The physical works with women with strongly developed masochistic tendencies. Which – don’t get me wrong – represents *way* more women than would admit to such tendencies in casual conversation, but doesn’t represent all women.

      The former you can safely try on any version, the latter you might want to suss out first and make sure it’s her particular trigger. And get it in writing 🙂

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      • “The former you can safely try on any version, the latter you might want to suss out first and make sure it’s her particular trigger. And get it in writing :-)”

        Yep, this.

        I do a lot of screening and qualifying to find out what a girl is into. For some girls it’s more of a kinky turn-on to be told not to wear panties when you go out on a date with her than it is to have clothespins yanked off her clit. This is why I say newbies shouldn’t be fucking with this stuff…I have a pretty consistent set of escalation steps (sometimes verbally (“have you ever had rough sex?” etc. questioning) but mostly physically) I’ve figured out to determine exactly what a girl is into. Like when we first make out I’ll grab her by the hair and see how she responds. If she likes it then I can push a little more and grab her by the jaw as we make out. If she likes that then I can push a little more and choke her against the wall as we make out. If she likes that I can push a little more etc. etc.

        At every single step I’m paying *VERY* close attention to her body-language, what she says, her tone of voice, whimpering, facial expressions, if she hesitates or tries to pull away (for real VS a fake play-fighting pulling away, again this is calibration), whether she gets more into it or gets more nervous, etc. so that I know where to draw the line with that particular girl. It doesn’t mean I can’t convert her down the road, but I’m usually doing this stuff the first time we fuck so she’s not always comfortable enough to go further with someone she’s just met even if down the road she’ll want to.

        I’m also paying attention to taking care of her emotions after it’s all said and done, so she doesn’t feel like a piece of shit whore. There’s a lot of reassuring her that the whole thing was hot and that I had fun and that I thought it was so sexy when she (insert whatever thing here) etc. That stuff also shows her that I’m not judging her like “let’s see what I can get this stupid bitch to do haha now get the fuck out while I go tell my boys about all the sick shit you let me do to you” This stuff helps 1) make her come back for more, and 2) keeps them from getting Buyer’s Remorse and deciding that since she regrets what we did then it must’ve been rape because with all the marks and shit I leave it’d be pretty hard to defend myself in court lol

        I actually visited a kink community thing here, went to a nightclub a night they were having an event and went to the after-party at basically a big sex house dungeon thing where they have weekly swinger and BDSM events. The house was awesome, I’ve considered taking girls there before because they have EVERYTHING lol but the people creeped me out. To me they took the lifestyle waaaaaay too seriously. Guys identifying themselves as Doms and Masters and shit…they all kind of weirded me out. I get it, they’ve found their niche and in that community it probably gets you more pussy to play up the Dom role hardcore and stuff, especially if you’re old and ugly/fat/etc., and they were nice enough dudes I guess.

        But I’m in that middle ground where I just like to have fun in the bedroom and joke around and shit. The slave/master stuff with certain fuckbuddies starts at the door to my place when they arrive but it’s done once we’ve both gotten off a bunch and are done for the night and are just chilling. Then it’s back to playful normal people stuff. I think part of why girls like doing this shit with me is because of that, I treat it like it’s totally normal and not like now they’re my 24/7 slave I own lol I’m like an escape for them from normal life but they know afterward they can go back to their normal life and it won’t be weird between us.

        I like a candlelight and slow romantic night of sex now and then too, don’t get me wrong I’m not a total freak lol I just like variety in my sex life, thus I like to have a variety of girls at hand. I actually don’t really care if a girl is into rough sex or not, I don’t have the goal of making them all super submissive to me or anything…I like variety, so to me I just like the puzzle of figuring out what her fantasies are and bringing those to life. Some guys will call that supplicating (“you should just do whatever you want to her and who cares what she wants”) but those are the guys who’s girls come to me on the side. 🙂

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  18. on August 23, 2012 at 1:57 pm Omega Male 2012

    So what side is the one where you opt-out of the entire process and decide that all relationships are fleeting and never pursue sex again, instead focusing only on your self interest and narcissism?

    Clearly we need a moniker to compartmentalize this aspect of human behavior. Going with the trend, it should be a Greek letter. Anyone want to supply a suggestion?

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    • How about Tau… rhymes with Tao.

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    • No letter needed. It’s just a bullshit endgame argument made by guys who are consistently rejected by women to try and convince themselves, “I don’t need no woman!” Sound familiar?

      Guaranteed when even a semi-cute girl later IOIs his way, he’ll drop this shtick posthaste and have hearts in his eyes (and thus the cycle will repeat).

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  19. Sadomasochism. It exists for a reason. Kill the men, rape and enslave the women. That is how war was fought. Why it happens in reverse? Probably noble women doing the stable boy who was a good physical stock unlike her beta husband . Its in the bible, Joseph.

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  20. “A complete lack of acquaintance with dominating women, and a dearth of opportunity to do so, psychologically castrates weaker men until they embrace, at least in theory, the opposite of what they truly desire.”

    Hence the SWPL thrill of cuckold play today… warped mo’fos.

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    • He’s right. Somewhere like 4chan is a gateway into the psyche of the weak male. Quickly perusing the site you will find men without passion, success and testosterone have reacted to their low status position by turning to cuckoldry, transvestites, bi-sexuality and the even more bizarre. They’re exactly the same as the Chinese men who are reported to be turning to homosexuality due to the skewed male-female ratio of their homeland.

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  21. Confucius say “a hard man make woman wet.” Period.

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  22. on August 23, 2012 at 3:22 pm WorkingHarder

    This post seems to accomplish little more than rubbing the noses of those of us who are Still Trying To Get There in the smelly stain of our unconsenting abstinence.

    It’s been a while since the last “test of your game.”

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    • If Heartiste’s post struck a nerve it is like that you have inward looking to do and action to take.

      ‘Test of your game’ is an intellectual exercise and a bit of fun. It will do little to enhance your “unconsenting abstinence.”

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    • Naaah, it’s good. You can do things like simply tell the girl when you’re going to meet.

      I once had a girl tell me, “I just want you to be the boss.”

      We of course wound up not going out long-term, but it opened up worlds for me.

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  23. While I wouldn’t say that a woman’s submission to my really turns me on a great deal, I WOULD say that a woman’s refusal to submit and do what I want is a huge turnoff.

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  24. A girl I’m seeing right now is so fucked in the head from her modeling and having her ass kissed all day that she loves it fucking hardcore.

    We dive into this black hole of rougher and rougher sex, where I smack her so hard in the face I think I broke her nose but she wants it even harder. When I choke her while I fuck her she wants me to pass her out. Anytime I think I’m going to far she wants more.

    It’s crazy. She even said once she wants to be as degraded as possible. She wants me to piss on her even, but I haven’t decided if I want to pull the trigger on that or not…

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    • peeing on a girl ain’t all that bad. urine is sterile, so a golden shower is really just a form of cleansing.

      do it r kelly style

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    • Have her sign a contract begging for you to do (insert depraved acts) to her. It’s a hot way to share fantasies, and it also provides at least a modicum of legal coverage.

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      • Just realized that sounded really nerdy. I just mean, cover yourself to make sure she doesn’t turn around with a rape charge if you ever dump her. Crazy women be crazy.

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      • Will it stand up in court?

        (heh, heh)

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    • Careful. Chicks are stupid as fuck and don’t realize that if you really went “harder” you could legit break parts of her (which especially in her case would affect her modelling career and be extra bad). Try mixing up the pain, where if you’re slapping her and she’s shouting “harder”, do stuff like pinch the fuck out of her nipple, slap her pussy, etc.

      Otherwise, have fun. And buy a shower curtain to lay under your sheets or something if you’re going to get messier lol

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  25. Excellent post because it goes to heart of this whole blog.

    Nietzsche divided men into masters and slaves. Arguably there are a minority of Alphas and then everyone else.

    Heartiste cuts to the bone when he says most men cannot even imagine the world of Alpha so they will pine for it’s opposite. Because its all they can get.

    The only men that CH and people like YaReally can help are those guys who are on cusp of greater beta/ lesser alpha . There’s a sizeable Amount on this blog. To these lucky few this place is a treasure trove for transformation

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  26. does “dominance,” in a broad sense, just refer to the power to manipulate (persuade?) women into doing what you want? i have a friend who literally told me that he gets off on getting attractive women in relationships/marriages to hook up with him. he said that his friend is in awe of his abilities. this is probably not what you’re getting at…but i found it interesting.

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    • No, because being the man means that you don’t need female approval in the first place. Dominance comes from the natural radiant force of your personality – it is not something you try to do. Really alpha people have a reality distortion zone around them – the rules of the society do not apply there.

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      • i didn’t think that dominance was about women’s approval – i just thought it was about influence and control. if not, what is dominance?

        and i thought that this blog taught that if dominance if it doesn’t come naturally, you can teach yourself to exert it – that it’s absolutely something that you try to do (if you’re a natural beta).

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      • More like a bullshit distortion zone. Society and reality are two different things.

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  27. Short and sweet. Basic principles of nature.

    Last [type]: The Race For Testosterone

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  28. on August 23, 2012 at 4:47 pm Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    Sorry fellas, this little beta seems to get off more on softcore tenderness then the kind of dominance that would enable me to assert my diminished masculine will. Maybe it was the brainwashing by the pervasive modern feminism, maybe the androgen disrupters from modern industrial civilisation polluting the womb that was my first home, however I completely lack the natural edge necessary for the kind of dominance you’re talking about.

    Pussy? Not proud to be one, but honest that anything else would be play acting…

    I’m not exactly looking for one of the lantern-jawed bitches modern America to dominate me, however only a lady who was at least as innocent and naïve as my own gentle spirit would be an appropriate candidate to stir my effort.

    Alas in “progressive” modern society, such specimens of innocent sweetness are as good as extinct.

    Maybe I need to join the Amish?

    Perhaps I should just consider some synthetic boost (“juice” or “‘roids”) to get the kind of assertive edge I’m lacking by nature?

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    • Maybe I need to join the Amish?

      Don’t fool yourself, they’re human like the rest of us.

      Man up, or risk the ultimate emasculation… getting cuckolded by Jebediah.

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    • You can light candles and shit dominantly lol

      It’s more about you’re the one who starts and ends the kissing (whether you pin her against the wall and choke her as you kiss her or whether you romantically pull her in while you’re watching a DVD and softly kiss her, you’re the one who leads things to the bedroom (whether you drag her there on her knees by a fistfull of hair or take her by the hand romantically and walk her there), etc. etc.

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    • on August 24, 2012 at 12:33 am manofthetimes

      Don’t let fear of social judgment keep you from becoming a dominant, powerful man. Truth be told, you probably will be a polarizing factor in some circles with more haters than anything else. However, women of all backgrounds will respond to your dominant, self-assured vibe. They may not all fuck you if you have weak skills, but odds are, they will be attracted.

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  29. Wise words. Let no one forget that the key thing that connects serial/spree killers is a lack of socialisation and channeled sexual desire. A man who embraces his dominant nature and brings out the submissive nature of his woman is a happy and adjusted fellow.

    By the way CH, have you seen the latest post on Krauser’s blog? It’s a video of a friend of his on the street who is very impressive and deserves your analysis. Especially as I am sure many will watch it and proclaim “that’s not right, he shouldn’t be doing that, BLAH BLAH BLAH” entirely missing the point.

    http://krauserpua.com/2012/08/21/street-kiss-close-video-of-my-friend/

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  30. I never had the urge to physically dominate , tie up, or cave man drag a woman in fantasy. When I think about such things it doesn’t move. However when its thoughts of mentally dominating them and doing my will despite reluctance and feelings of humiliation … then I can death touch the bottom brick through my zipper. Yep, I’m kinda a perv…

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  31. Pretty close to what I’m into. Though they don’t have to be reluctant. On the contrary, they should feel stimulated and enthusistic about it all.

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  32. A song to go with the post:

    DJ Afrojack – featuring Eva Simons – “Take Over Control”

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  33. Since most of you ectodweebs will likely lose your hair by 30 you may want to read this

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/07/bald-is-beautiful_n_1747447.html#slide=more243104

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    • Back in the day, it was just Yul Brynner and Telly Savalas… Yul was more the sex symbol, but he had a lean form and a commanding presence, along with that sonorous foreign accent.

      Men are blessed nowadays that even the young guys are shaving their heads or cutting a crew high and tight… and looking good to a significant portion of the ladies.

      Beats that monk’s tonsure look and the dreaded comb-over hand’s down.

      Admittedly, a good head of hair is still a decided advantage.

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      • Yeah I’d shave it if I had to. No loss and no grey. I’d still trade my Bieber mop to be bald and 25 though.

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  34. “the same lust women feel from submitting to the domination of powerful men.”

    Do women find dominant men attractive and will thus submit to them ? Or is the case that women are willing to be dominated and controlled by men they find attractive ? I would say the latter. I know of absolutely no woman who will let themselves be controlled or dominated by men they find physically repulsive.

    I know you keep banging on about women’s attraction to powerful men. Sure, when you consider Bill Clinton and JFK Snr whom women were/are absolutely hot for. How then, do you explain the lack of attraction women feel for Richard Nixon and George Bush Jnr then ? Weren’t they powerful too ? All four men had average/passable looks. Men with average/passable looks can make it up with intense charisma which makes the most dumphy, frumphy dames feel they are the most attractive, desirable goddesses alive.

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    • It’s inate. Men who aren’t powerful but dominant control the women they are with as well and the women love it. Didn’t you read that several times above?

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      • Yes, I’ve been reading ad nauseum about men needing to be dominant in order to attract/keep female interest. Yes, that is true, but only if the attraction condition already exists – because of his looks, charisma, ability to charm a woman’s pants off with humour…or more likely, a combination of all of these.

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      • I would agree with that, although you see just the dominance in self destructive relationships.

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      • Yes, these women (not the majority thankfully) are not normal women. They want destruction,not dominance. I can’t imagine why since I’m not a shrink and not one of those crazy types myself.

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      • Dominance is usually done in a nice way anyway and involves exactly those things you describe. Its not all caveman, although you’d be surprised at how many women want that. If its any consolation, I learned this late in life myself. It was counterintuitive to everything I had been taught. I have since concluded we were all lied to for ideological reasons.

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    • A richard nixon looking guy with a bill clinton personality would be the same pussy magnet as bill clinton.

      Power alone, just like money, doesn’t mean much. There are lots and lots of insipid bureaucrats with lots of power who can’t get laid in a whorehouse.

      Richard nixon would do probably better than 90% of men. But a man needs a flamboyant personality, more than good looks, to be an apex alpha.

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      • Take a look at Nixon’s wife and then Hillary and Monica and you’ll see who the real Alpha was.

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      • Not much of a difference.
        Listen I politically hate liberal democrat faggots, but there’s no doubt that clinton moistened a whole lot of panties more than nixon.

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      • yes…a certain Ben Bernake comes to mind. When women hear him drone on and on, they want to go to bed — to sleep !

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    • Alison has the real “Comment of the Week” right here.

      Do women find dominant men attractive and will thus submit to them ? Or is the case that women are willing to be dominated and controlled by men they find attractive? I would say the latter. I know of absolutely no woman who will let themselves be controlled or dominated by men they find physically repulsive.

      Controlling for the typical female self-unawareness of her attraction triggers, she brings up a logical line of inquiry. Which came first, the chicken (dominance) or the egg (attraction)?

      “I know of absolutely no woman…” is hardly a dispositive statement, particularly coming from a girl still on or near the 20-something attractiveness plateau, when logic/observation is at its most distorted.

      The truth is likely context-dependent. If a woman sees a shlub across the room, the thought of him dominating her might be off-putting — until he dominates her, which creates the attraction, which puts his shlubbiness in a new light.

      Either way, her observation is food for thought and should be recognized as such. Especially since what passes for “precision analogies” around here lately is either repetitive or dull.

      Matt

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      • I tend to agree with Alison.

        It’s been my experience that, if a woman is attracted to you, you get carte blanche, and “do what thou wilt is the whole of the law”… whether alpha, beta, or omega.

        Conversely, if the chemistry just isn’t there, you can be George Clooney with Bill Gates’ wallet and it just doesn’t matter.

        It just doesn’t matter…

        It just doesn’t matter…

        I will admit, however, that I was never one of these pump ‘n dump players… and never really went after girls who looked shopworn.

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  35. YaReally

    The number of girls who’ve not just been okay with not using a condom but actively whined when I put one on is terrifying.
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    Thank God somebody finally said this!

    Girls hate condoms because they think its means:

    1. You think they are dirty
    2. You don’t trust them
    3. Both

    And further, the propaganda that “its all mens fault because they won’t use condoms” is a WORLD WIDE PHENOMENON.

    the spread of AIDS in Africa was blamed on Africa men forcing African women to have “unprotected sex”. Remember all the news reports?

    Poor African women, bla bla bla…being forced, bla bla bla…

    In those cultures, using a condom with your wife is like calling her a whore! Condoms are for PROSTITUTES!

    Women in love with you HATE CONDOMS!

    “YaReally” and I can’t be the only guys who know about this?

    This is world wide slander, libel, defemation of men and we need to stop it.

    Chime in fellas.

    They did it to black men,

    you’re next

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    • Agreed.
      In my experience, “I want you to cum inside me” is so commonly heard as to be a cliche.

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    • I agree, women don’t like you using condoms if you’re in a relationship with them, and a married man who tries to use condoms when fucking his wife is in for a world of hurt.

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      • Not just relationship women, I’m talking one night stand chicks. The percent of them that give a fuck about using a condom is frighteningly small.

        I suspect part of it is that if a guy has seduced them that fast, they see him as alpha, so it’s not that they’re TRYING to get preggers by him but that they “wouldn’t MIND” it.

        It’s all pretty scary lol

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    • Not to mention the stupid Africans think you can cure AIDS by having sex with a virgin.

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    • I hate condoms and avoid them. Most women I’ve been with would agree with you here.

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      • Mine would always break. I tried different brands/varieties, and it was always the same story. Very frustrating, since I was trying to be responsible.

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      • I came of age before they were obligatory. Bareback was the rule. I never heard of anyone getting VD. Among heterosexuals and especially Whites and Asians, STD rates for major diseases are very low. I think their promotion is an oblique attempt to make sex less enjoyable and to deglamorize it. The frustrated are forever making secret societal war on those who have fulfilling sex lives.

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  36. Dominance is super important but it has to come from a healthy place. It has to be mixed with respect, love and healthy untinctured desire. A big part of the dominance should be offered to protect her from the world.

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    • True. Protection is a necessary part of territoriality; unfortunately, people have taken dominant as being anything from rapacious to just an asshole without protecting jack squat (which is not “Alpha” but a responsibility to be pawned off on “Beta” suckers while you steal and hump their women… ).

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  37. Anonymous
    Not to mention the stupid Africans think you can cure AIDS by having sex with a virgin
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    I used to have your attitude about “stupid Africans” but thanks to a racist, I have a different perspective. What many of us think of as “stupid Africans” are really just people more intouch with their limbic system or their “inner caveman”.

    Who knows, it might actually be possible to cure aids with a virgin. More likely, fucking virgins makes men feel good, which results in them being happier and therfore healthier.

    Don’t forget, men have been in existence for thousands of years, and even niggers can detect a pattern if they hang around long enough.

    My point is, yes GREG ELIOT, maybe black people are more “primitive”, more simple, more animal sense oriented… but thats not always a bad thing because it prevents you from being like white people and adopting behaviors that are politically trendy, or fashionable, but ultimatly destructive to your race (like gay rights, womens rights…)

    Im so happy that despite poverty, hardship, and threats from white people to cut off the money… in many African countries homosexuality is a capital crime. They just ain’t buying it despite the best efforts of liberal white people to promote it.

    In the ultimate example of irony, maybe being a “stupid African” will be what prevents you from being brainwashed into extinction like so many white beta males who are always trying to over think shit and “compromised”… and, “FIGURE STUFF OUT”

    I think Todd Akins is an example of the “white stupid African”. You need to find the recent Peter Schiff interview where he plays Akins ENTIRE REMARK.

    Why?

    Because it might be true.

    I’ll try and find the link, but basically Akins was saying in a clumsy way that women know, probably on a LIMBIC level who they want to be impregnated by.

    and,

    who they don’t,.

    just like you guys say on this site?

    If a black guy said it, he would be forgiven because, you know… “stupid Africans…”

    But this white man is being crucified.

    Why am I point this out?

    Because if they can do it to a white man, they can do it to anybody.

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    • In Africa its necessary. But most urban Americans, black or white wold be SOL in a tight situation. How many of you have tried to start a garden? Imagine having to live from that. The real failure in Africa is with social and political systems. They are all too often deeply exploitive and tribal in nature.

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    • Why are you addressing me in this post?

      There are several here I’ve written off threads ago, and you’re one of them. You know this.

      If you’re making some kind of snark here that that Anonymous comment came from me, you’re absolutely wrong… I would have thought that even your dull wits would have gleaned by now that, when I have something to say about racial matters, I come right out and say them under my own name.

      You and Jason have to stop your fixations with me… I’d be loathe to find that people think you’re part of my crew.

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  39. Greg Eliot
    Why are you addressing me in this post?
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    Calm down Greg, Im not attacking you. You’re just my default racist for when I need an example of one.

    You’re that comforting “familiar stench”, like the smell of your own farts….

    I guess the point of my comment flew right over your head?

    That point being, the irony that both racists and niggers may be too simple/stoopid… to be tricked into adopting clever, trendy SWPL bullshit.

    Imagine that, Greg and I sharing a cell at the SWPL reeducation camp.

    BTW, here is the link:

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    • Your logic is up to your usual standard of ass-hattery… but your back-pedaling is in fine form.

      Have a nice life, kid.

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  41. Tyrone
    . The real failure in Africa is with social and political systems. They are all too often deeply exploitive and tribal in nature
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    Correct. But you ain’t seen nothin yet:

    “The real failure in the U.S is with social and political systems. They are all too often deeply exploitive and tribal in nature”

    We have all been trained to see pathologies in niggers, myself included. This is why so many white people are upset with Obama even though he is just continuing the policies of George Bush.

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