The Reluctant Cockblock

I noticed her immediately. The hottest girl in the room weaved through the crowd, walking in my direction. As she neared at a quick pace, I saw her right arm extended behind her. The awkward positioning seemed odd to me. She passed, and a fat homely girl, attached to the bombshell’s right hand, was being dragged behind like a circus elephant. Fatso was a good foot shorter than the hot babe leading her around the sweaty drinkers, and, conservatively, 4 points lower on the looks scale. She wore a miserable expression; she clearly didn’t want to be there. She was literally walking in the shadow of a superior specimen of womanhood.

While the hot-ugly friend pair is not common, you do see this social female arrangement every so often, especially in meat markets. (A group of women of varied looks, some hot and some not, is more common.) Always the hottie looks like she’s having the time of her life and her unattractive friend looks irritated, wishing she were anywhere else.

Approach these bifurcated two-sets with caution. The ugly friend won’t actively cockblock you, (she’s too subservient to her hot friend’s prerogative), but you’ll have to deal with an even bigger obstacle: the hot chick has brought her along because she intends to either

a. find the warpig a man, or

b. launch the flaming warpig from a trebuchet at any man who lingers too long.

If (a), you’ll know right away; she’ll quickly introduce the fug before you can get a word in edgewise, encourage a dance circle of the three of you, then lean into fug’s ear, say something, and skip away to the bar, leaving you and the consolation prize alone. Niceguys will generally stick around for a few minutes (or hours), thinking that is the virtuous thing to do, and hoping the hot chick will come back and shower love on them for being genial with her ugly friend. Of course, that last part never happens. Meaner guys (ahem) will bolt, raining down blows upon an already clobbered homely girl’s ego.

If (b), you’ll know by watching for any nonverbal signals the hot girl telegraphs to her ugly friend. She’ll enjoy your flirting for a little while, but then the fug, as if on cue and reading from a script, will monotonously declare she has to get up early, or somesuch excuse. Having imbibed a sufficient quotient of your attentions to achieve orbital velocity validation, the hot girl will shrug her shoulders and trot off.

How do you handle the hot girl-ugly girl two-set? The game literature is clear: you open the ugly girl first and drop a neg on the hot girl, building a faux camaraderie with the potential cockblock, thus neutralizing any compulsion she may harbor to menstruate all over your game. But the ugly girl in the two-set is usually a reluctant cockblock; she’s not interested in rescuing her friend or being a noxious cunt. She agreed to go out because she likes to inhale the second hand seduction from all the action her hot friend gets. It’s vicarious thrills. But now she’s regretting her decision. (She can’t help it; hot girls have stronger powers of persuasion than ugly girls.)

No, the real cockblock in this two-set is the hot girl. She’s tough enough to game when she’s with a group of friends, but when she’s with one ugly friend, you have got your work cut out. I’d advise avoiding these “couples” in favor of cute girls who have equally cute girl friends. Then you can rev up jealously plotlines to your heart’s content.





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  1. fugs n’ fabs are easy.
    its when TWO HOT BITCHES go clubbing together that’s the problem.

    I now view 2 hbs as not serious about porking – they’re just there for the attentionwhoring

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    • Becuase they are hot, they are automatically there for attentionwhoring?

      What are “hb’s” supposed to do, just stay in on friday night?

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      • I mean, you could use your game to disarm them.

        Or you could just pick the low lying fruit i.e. fugs and flabs

        Wether they are there or not with a friend is irrelavent, not many young hot girls go clubbing solo.

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      • Get Asian Girlfriend, Guaranteed.

        Or you could just pick the low lying fruit i.e. fugs and flabs

        You don’t yet read english well.

        I wrote fugs n FABS.

        as in fabulous.
        as in gaming one warpig and one hottie.

        other than that, i don’k know wtf you’re talking about because you completely derailed the subsequent reply chain into clusterfuckdom

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      • Just a thought for consideration – what are ‘HB’s supposed to do when they don’t WANT to be hit on?
        As mentioned – just stay in? Try to deflect attention with an ugly friend?

        Not a sob story that get a lot of sympathy here, I’m sure – but it can be really fucking annoying as a hot girl to try to constantly fend off attempts to fuck you. Gets old. Annoying to never go anywhere and not have guys trying to hit on you – sometimes you’re in a bad mood, a relationship, just want to be left alone, etc.
        Obviously not the worst thing in the world, but still. Especially when you’re a girl who tries to still be a decent person to guys that approach her, but whom she’s not interested in. From personal experience – how exactly do you get rid of/turn down a guy who is literally on his knees, clinging to your feet and begging for your number? I actually had more concern for his personal dignity than he did!
        But here, everything is seen through the lens of desperate woman-hood. My advice – if a hot girl is closely with her ugly friend, unless she truly seems interested, don’t bend over backwards trying to crack her – she probably just wants to be left alone.

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      • what are ‘HB’s supposed to do when they don’t WANT to be hit on?

        wear shitty, ill-fitting clothes with vomit, shit, and pee stains all over them. then the only guys you have to worry about hitting on you are the homeless ones.

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      • Oh cum on. You don’t really want to advise that, and even if I did attempt such, what better walking advertisement could there be for a cheap fuck?

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      • wrong….good, introverted hb stays in and some have never even been nor wanted to go in a bar or go “clubbing”. Hey….a whole new species is out there, but they are hiding.

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      • So how do you find them?

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      • LUCK!

        Contacts.

        It helps when the hb have lots of brothers.

        Very difficult pursuit, but the more challenging the more rewarding!

        Happy hunting hide and seek! : )

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      • I am not sure that the pursuit is necessarily any harder (almost by definition they would be introverts which I connect much more easily with anyhow), just finding them is the big challenge.

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      • Nupi,

        I meant the pursuit in “finding” them, that is the challenge.

        Through friends is the best bet.

        They will be out and about @

        the park.
        bookstores,
        hair salons,
        Grocery
        drug stores
        bus stops

        the problem with these places are they only allow transient encounters. There’s always an escape route in these circumstances. hehe!!

        The keys is to know what they hb introverts do REGULARLY, CONSISTENTLY and do the same.

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      • Nupi,

        Might want to try a co-ed sport like volleyball or soccer, too.

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      • What!
        Heh, I’m an introverted HB with a lot of brothers. Not bad advice, but still…I find it infinitely annoying how obvious it is with a lot of the guys I run into at such places that they are so obviously, painfully searching for some segue-way that would allow them to ask for my number/a date. Can’t really blame them, I suppose, but…so painfully awkward and un-asked-for. Again, I’d say unless the girl is obviously interested, don’t tie yourself in knots trying to find something in common you could do together – girl will be guilt-tripped into giving her number, but will then try to avoid you if at all possible, leading to all the complaints here about how hot girls can be such flakes. Get a clue. They’re trying to avoid you.

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      • Get a clue. They’re trying to avoid you.

        So your advice to men trying to get laid is to stop trying to get laid?

        Tough titties, princess. If you go out in public having a vagina, men are going to try to fuck you.

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      • X-splat-
        yea, i know about the being in public thing – kinda tough to avoid that altogether. Not totally complaining – I have an ego like most other human beings…My advice was more on how unsuccessful its likely to be for men to try to fuck women who are Not trying to be fucked…Waste of their energy, and speaking of egos, I actually feel rather bad for the men who’s egos will take a hit due to trying to game women who are doing their best to stay out of the game

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      • Although, actually, those men’s egos will surely find a problem solely with the woman involved…can’t be anything to do with themselves, naturally….

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      • So your point is that life sucks sometimes.

        It can’t be anything else.

        Men will try to fuck women. Men will try to fuck women. Men will try to fuck women.

        You don’t have to like it.

        Men will try to fuck women. Men will try to fuck women. Men will try to fuck women.

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      • Really? You’re really trying to tell me that life sucks sometimes. Really?
        Thanks for the fucking news, genius, I was not aware.
        I had no clue that men would try to fuck women, or that I was allowed to do other than unequivocally consent – does that mean i can not fuck every ugly loser who tries me? Gee, thanks, mister.
        Jesus christ, you take idiocy to a new level.

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      • Mills, you are whining about the fact that men hit on girls.

        I’m pointing out what you are doing. Because you seem to think you are making some sort of social commentary.

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      • No, you miss my extremely obvious point. I’m not whining that men hit on girls – even when I’m upset and just want to be left alone, I still get some kind of surreptitious ego-boost from being hit on, that’s human nature, but still doesn’t mean its always welcome.
        But, for the guys who would hit on me while I’m extremely unreceptive to such things, its lose-lose for them – thats my point here.
        I find that instead of contemplating the possibility that either I’m not interested in them, or that its not a time that I want to engage in flirtatious banter, guys solely blame me for being a stuck-up bitch when their pick-up attempts are unsuccessful.
        I’m so goddamn sick of hearing guys behind me comment on what a bitch I am when I’m not interested in their attempts to fuck me due to personal reasons (such as a relative dying, family problems, etc – you still have to go get groceries and gas…)

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      • I’m still missing your extremely obvious point.

        Is it that you want men to not be persistent? Or is it that you want them to be civil in the face of rejection?

        If the latter, yes, I wasn’t paying proper attention.

        If the former, well, you do realize that persistence is part of the process, right? There are some girls who will tell you straight up that they will fuck any guy who asks them three times.

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      • Hey X-and honestly, no animosity intended in this exchange, I see nothing wrong in what you’re trying to do.
        Civil in the face of rejection, easy. Can’t blame a guy for trying, but will blame him when he blames me for the crime of not responding correctly to his advances.
        And yes, I’m sure everyone has some story of how persistence has paid off, so I couldn’t say it never will…But lots of guys are just painfully tone-deaf to girls who are trying to make it clear they aren’t interested. Trust me, been there way too often, and I honestly feel bad for the guys who keep trying, when I’m trying my best to make it clear I’m not interested. Like the guy on his knees begging for my number…felt too bad/pitiful not to give it to him, and am now trying my best to ignore him in the best way…sure he’s hearing the same thing about ‘persistence’, but its just sad….

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      • Ok, Mills, got it that time. Ya, those guys got some learnin to do, and are a pain in the ass.

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      • Thanks. True that.

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  2. Heartiste, thank you so much for this website. In my opinion, it’s the best mens’ blog on the internet.

    For 21 years of my life, I was a TEXTBOOK BETA… but that’s now changing.

    There’s truth to what they say: nice guys often finish last. They typically spend their youth sexually unfulfilled, before marrying a woman who will ultimately resent them for their lack of masculinity – it’s sad.

    FUCK

    THAT

    SHIT.

    Earlier this year, I emailed you about a girl I was seeing (https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/reader-mailbag-fast-times-edition/) and asked some related questions in the comments of another post (https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/05/01/genetics-and-iq-parents-matter/).

    By the time I discovered your teachings, however, it was already too late to save the relationship.

    In the movies, betas persist and get the girl. As you know, real life is very different.

    I put the girl on a pedestal; I mean, I spent hours crafting a 4-page letter for crying out loud!

    It got me nowhere with her.

    (Looking back, I can’t believe I acted like such a little bitch. Nevermind.)

    Anyway, she ended it… by text… just days before my end-of-year exams.

    She couldn’t even wait a week for me to sit my papers.

    Needless to say, my exams didn’t go so good.

    And while I was collecting the fragments of my shattered heart, she was out flirting with other guys.

    It’s ironic: the fact that I would have done anything for her goes a long way to explaining why she lost attraction for me.

    It was maddening to discover that women are wired in this way.

    I was in bits.

    The truth is, I really loved her.

    If it wasn’t for this blog, I dread to think where I’d be… probably begging fruitlessly for ‘one more chance, please’, or something equally tragic.

    Thanks to that whole experience and your invaluable site, something has clicked… no, SNAPPED… within me (for the better).

    It’s like something has changed, on a molecular level, in the way I see attraction.

    Like the light switch has been turned ‘on’.

    An aha moment.

    After exams, I channeled my pain into activities that have improved me…

    For instance, I started break dancing and got recruited into a crew.

    And, following your advice, I hit the gym with gusto – since January I’ve lost 9 pounds of fat and gained 12 pounds of muscle. My female friends are always copping a feel of my arms and girls now check me out on the sidewalk. More importantly, I feel great.

    I spent my spare time crafting my music and recently landed a record deal (with a small label, but still).

    Also, I don’t contact her anymore (unless she texts me and, even then, I only reply if I feel like it), though I still miss her a lot. Every day, in fact. But it’s time to start talking to other girls now.

    Using your advice as a guideline, I approached a cute blonde this morning.

    She had a tight body and wore a semi-transparent summer dress, which revealed her frilly, purple knickers. If her outfit could talk, it would have screamed ‘I NEED TO BE LOCKED IN A ROOM FOR 2 DAYS STRAIGHT AND GIVEN THE ROGERING OF MY LIFE!’

    She was sitting alone at a table in Starbucks.

    I summoned the courage to approach…

    “Have you been stood-up?” I asked.

    (I’m sure there’s better openers, but this is what came to mind.)

    Anyway, we flirted for 10 minutes and swapped numbers.

    It’s beta as gentle, missionary sex, but if you could see the toothy smile beaming across my face as I walked calmly away from her, you’d have thought I was on helium.

    I know it’s just a start… and, of course, I still have a LONG way to go… but I have genuine hope now.

    I’m a good looking 21-year-old with a whole year left of college – I’m determined to make the most of it by approaching attractive girls at student bars.

    Again, thank you for this tremendous blog.

    All the best to you Heartiste,

    – Joe.

    P.S. If you have a spare moment, I have a question…

    Earlier I mentioned I landed a small record deal; I write my own songs and play the electric guitar on stage (similar to John Mayer).

    Is there any specific advice you can offer for maintaining/amplifying an alpha vibe as a singer-songwriter?

    I’ve studied some male artists to see what I could conclude on my own…

    Ernie Halter: Lower beta. Talented. Soft looking with a strong tendency to write lyrics that suggest he rarely gets laid. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K65Z8zt0BPQ.)

    James Morrison: Beta. Above-average looking. While girls don’t throw their bras onto his stage, there is reasonable female attraction towards him… in my opinion, mainly due to his voice. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1-HLztNQWw.)

    Bruno Mars: Greater beta. Good looking. A nice guy with some edge (including a cocaine habit). Wrote Grenade, which is one of the most beta songs I’ve ever heard, but girls still desire him. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR6iYWJxHqs.)

    John Mayer: Alpha despite occassional beta lyrics in certain songs (from personal experience, it’s hard not to when writing love songs). Good looking. Gives off a vibe that says, ‘I don’t care what people think because I’m so comfortable in my own skin’. Bangs Hollywood celbrities. Girls go NUTS for him. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Ov0cDPZy8.)

    Is it just a question of looks + talent + fame = female attraction for musicians, or do you think there’s more to it?

    What seperates the heartthrobs (like John Mayer) from less-desired artists (like Ernie Halter)?

    Any insight you can offer would be awesome.

    Take care chap.

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    • Joe,

      Take a look at Eric Sardinas. I find him amazing and he must vet more ass than a toilet seat. it has a lot to do with his frame. He seems to not even know the audience is there. It’s about the music. He appears aloof and cocky. And just watch him move.

      Also, Zakk Wylde. Different music, different presence but still awesome. Again, it’s the music. He adores his fans but I think even without them he would still play what he wants and screw anyone else. Wylde is a gofball too, but he is so cocky about it that it’s hysterical.

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    • Joe,

      On the VERY off chance you don’t know much about Zakk Wylde see his Black Label stuff for lyrics and presence. More just presence when he played with Ozzy.

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      • cheers stingray, i’ll check them out

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      • It occurs to me that it may seem odd that their type of music is not yours. If it is distracting, mute them and simply watch their presence. That is what you are looking for. Looks, talent, and fame are definitely a plus, but not necessary. Presence is and I think that comes through in droves with these two and I believe they find it in their love for their music and what they do.

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    • Joe, first time I’m leaving a response on this blog – nicely done on your changes. It’s all about taking action, making changes. You’re doing well.

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    • on August 9, 2011 at 7:25 pm Rocket Science

      Don’t feel bad for your past inexperience. I used to build the pedestal, and then put the girl on it.

      It sucks to be beta when you are young. Older betas can often settle down with a decent girl and have a family, but, that should be the farthest thing from the mind of any man before age 40.

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      • “Older betas can often settle down with a decent girl and have a family, but, that should be the farthest thing from the mind of any man before age 40.”

        great advice. i’m young – there’s many sexy girls for me to charm and excite in the years ahead.

        all the best to you man

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    • “It’s ironic: the fact that I would have done anything for her goes a long way to explaining why she lost attraction for me”

      Been there, done that. Twice. Fell hard.
      Never again.

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      • too bad you had to go through that twice, but we live and learn. ‘never again’ is right. all the best

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    • Since you’re still doing posts that are tl and I dr, you still might need to scrub some beta off.

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    • Joe, that was a great post. I was the same way until I came across a David Deangelo seminar my friend forced me to check out, and then the light bulbs in my mind turned on. It was a hard climb out of betadom, and I fell back into it after a 2 year failed engagement and had to dig myself back out, but now these lessons are firmly ingrained in my mind. You point out you took up a lot of activities, like making music and the gym. I think having stuff like this is what really makes a man attractive to a woman, because he has interests, projects, and most importantly, a purpose. Mine is military and politics and theology, and at first I thought those were bad subjects to be into for attracting women (besides being in the military) but Heartiste has always pointed out that there’s female groupies for every male endeavor, and boy, is it a fact. And I get the kinds of women I want just doing these things, as you probably attract the girls you would want by staying true to your interests.

      My friend and I are both into comedy (stand up, etc), and we decided to work together on a comedy book tentatively titled “The Penis Hall of Fame.” It’s basically a book of dudes who banged craploads of chicks. Jim Morrision is near the top – we looked into his past. He is definitely a top-of-the-scale alpha. Bruno Mars is alpha too, and I would say Grenade escapes being too beta merely because it comes off as a total joke anyway. John Meyer, on the other hand, is a total beta who has had pretty bad women problems in the past and is known for publicly stating he much prefers watching porn to being with women.

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      • Bob interesting comments. You’re spot-on about the activities; they’ve improved me as a person and helped distract me from the pain. Like you mentioned, having definitiveness of purpose is crucial (one Heartiste’s commandments of poon).

        I can believe Bruno Mars is alpha. Out of curiosity, what evidence did you find to help you come to that conclusion?

        Are you rating these celebrities on their exploits before they were famous or during their fame?

        It wouldn’t surprise me if Mayer was beta in his younger years, but I think the guy is alpha these days even if he has introverted tendencies (after all, he’s banged numerous Hollywood starlets and, I’m sure, countless other ‘regular’ women). Looking at videos like the two below, I think the guy is comfortably alpha…

        But yeah, I appreciate the Jim Morrison tip-off – will spend some time this Sunday afternoon finding out more about the him.

        Cheers Bob.

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      • Thanks Bob. I wrote a longer response to your comment, but for some reason it’s not processing. Hmmm.

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      • (Maybe it’ll work if I send them in smaller parts…)

        Part 1:

        Bob, interesting comments. You’re spot-on about the activities; they’ve improved me as a person and helped distract me from the pain. Like you mentioned, having definitiveness of purpose is crucial (one Heartiste’s commandments of poon).

        I can believe Bruno Mars is alpha. Out of curiosity, what evidence did you find to help you come to that conclusion?

        Are you rating these celebrities on their exploits before they were famous or during their fame?

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      • It wouldn’t surprise me if Mayer was beta in his younger years, but I think the guy is alpha these days even if he has introverted tendencies (after all, he’s banged numerous Hollywood starlets and, I’m sure, countless other ‘regular’ women). Looking at videos like the two below, I think the guy is comfortably alpha…

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      • Part Three:

        Appreciate the Jim Morrison tip-off… will spend time on Sunday afternoon finding out more about him. Cheers Bob.

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      • Part 2:

        It wouldn’t surprise me if Mayer was beta in his younger years, but I think the guy is alpha these days even if he has introverted tendencies (after all, he’s banged numerous Hollywood starlets and, I’m sure, countless other ‘regular’ women). Looking at videos like the two below, I think the guy is comfortably alpha…

        (Links removed to see if the comment will now send.)

        But yeah, I appreciate the Jim Morrison tip-off – will spend some time this Sunday afternoon finding out more about the him.

        Cheers, Bob.

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    • Great story. Continue to master yourself.

      PG

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  3. Or you can drag them into another set and manage to create a more favorable dynamic.

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  4. I suppose suggesting a threesome, just to neg the babe, is not a good strategy?

    [Heartiste: Beats talking about work.]

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    • It always negs the hotter babe when you suggest a multiple activity. And you don’t need to joke about an unrealistic full-on intercourse “threesome” when you can more seriously suggest that you all go play doctor or something sexual where they keep most of their clothes on the first time (ASD is lower for a group that acts as a whole but it’s still there). The point is to get the hot one into your frame and into a “relationship” with you while not outwardly showing a preference for her over her friend(s). There will be plenty of time for pairing off with her later when you’re all friends and she leaves her friend(s) home the next time.

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  5. on August 9, 2011 at 4:00 pm Zone Defense

    The fug is someone’s daughter, sister, niece, someone who someone somewhere wants to be happy. But she won’t be. She will get used and walked on.

    The brutality of life as it truly is can be a downer. But one must be a realist.

    But do avoid being needlessly cruel to the fug.

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    • can you create a wikipedia database of banal cliches? ill pay you enough to make your life a bit brighter

      best,

      S

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      • You must not have any daughters of your own.

        Cliches become cliches because they are true.

        Don’t be unnecessarily cruel. That’s all. And you will be happier.

        That is all the pay I need.

        Maybe you will even more appealing to women and a greater maestro of the crimson arts because of your inner self-command, which includes not giving in to the squalid self-indulgence of cruelty.

        Strength is masculine, hence Alpha; cruelty is feminine, hence Beta in a man.

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    • I agree with you. A fat, sad girl is the one who needs attention from a hot guy the most. It would make her feel desired and maybe she’d even lose weight to be more attractive to her new alpha acquaintance. Has anyone ever tried to game a fat, depressed girl? My hypothesis is that this could work as a weight-loss strategy. (But the game should last for a few months – until she loses all excess weight)

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      • Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

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      • We’ll never know…the FUG ate both of them….

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      • I think every fat girl should read this blog. Major reality check.

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      • Are you the same “White woman” who used to comment here a few years ago?

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      • Not a few years ago..maybe around a year or less ago??? I used to comment about racial things a lot.

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      • oh ok. you are the same person. welcome back. good to see someone from the old days.

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      • Indeed. There are quite a few paleo and primal dieters here, and it helps to hang around people who are doing the same thing and doing well because of it.

        What’s bad about the place is the hysterical attitude about fat, as if it is the only kind of ugly that counts. It is important for a woman to watch her weight, but as I’ve said before, there is so much more that can be ugly about a woman. American guys have lost sight of that, and I believe this is why they make such bad choices.

        What has been very enlightening though is that a good proportion are as hysterical about race as fat. It’s not one or the other, but the combination that gave me a better idea of what was going on with men and media manipulation.

        They aren’t allowed to just have their natural desires. In some places, they’re herded to stay in their ethnicities while the women are having a free for all. In others they’re herded into accepting a sorry masculinized but doing it wrong excuse for women, while women are protesting having any demands made on their behavior.

        Not blowing up is the least a woman can do to show her man that she actually cares about his desires, and so many women can’t even be counted on for that. Women are also selling their cultures down the river, and demanding the men go along with it but not to go with foreign women. So where the hysteria is a bit unreal, the reasoning behind it is very real and very important.

        You know, during the wars when there was rationing, people did without things so that the soldiers would have what they needed. You’d think a woman could do without white sugar so her man, her soldier right at home, can have what he needs.

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      • WHAT are you talking about?

        Very few White men desire black females if that’s what you’re suggesting.

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      • Read again, and this time without your knickers in a knot.

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      • I’m white and I like it all, black, white, brown, yellow, or red. Best girlfriend I ever had was mexican ancestry. Worst girlfriends have all been white. Craziest was puerto rican. Fucking loony toons man. She left teeth marks on my cock she was so bad at giving head. Best sexual experience was with a hawaiin

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      • As Anon said: “I’m white and I like it all, black, white, brown, yellow, or red”

        Agreed. Hell, it’s all pink inside.

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      • on September 11, 2011 at 3:26 pm DuctusGuLineage

        Ignore the pot-heads below with the “it’s all pink inside”.

        They have no sense of the importance of history, heritage and lineage to the future of Western Civilization. They can’t see through their immature drugged up haze.

        What would drive a White man or Woman to destroy his/her families heritage?

        “It’s all pink inside”? 50,000 years of evolution separates us. Thousands of years of blood sweat and tears of our ancestors, surviving the Ice Age, and building this world we have today.

        That’s all your low IQ can come up with? “It’s all pink inside”?

        White people love your families for petes sakes. Don’t be a disgrace to your ancestors.
        White people are less than 10% of this earth’s population. White females of reproductive age are approaching 2% of that.

        Our future survival depends on it.

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      • Nicole–excellent analogy with the sugar. That provided me with this morning’s stick-to-the-low sugar diet motivation.

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      • What’s bad about the place is the hysterical attitude about fat, as if it is the only kind of ugly that counts.

        ummm, no. but it is the very first ugliness we see.

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      • And it’s also the most controllable compared with, say, a crooked nose. And many men see fat as a lack of self-control, justified or not, and a lack of overall healthfulness.

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      • Speak for yourself. Some people don’t consider fatness below reasonable limits, to be ugly in and of itself. Size is the first thing people notice about one another for survival, not sexual reasons.

        Disgust is mostly fear mixed with projected shame. It is normal to fear people who are larger than you on sight. It is abnormal to fear people who are smaller than you on sight. Men are still, on average, larger than women.

        To be disgusted with a fat woman, your mind has to go farther than being disgusted with a fat man, especially if that woman is shorter than you and weighs less than you, which is true in most cases. You’re basically thinking to yourself, “If I were a woman and looked like that, I would hate myself/think I’m ugly/lose weight/not go out.”

        The healthy attitude towards a woman you’re not attracted to is just, “Not hit.” There doesn’t need to be a justification, but if there is one, it comes after the determination of unattractiveness, not before.

        The man who is actually disgusted rather than merely disinterested only has two valid reasons for such a sentiment, in my opinion. He could be a health professional or somehow involved in fitness, deals with weight issues all the time, and his disgust has to do with the situation more than the person. He could be Gay and womanly himself, and be sizing up the competition.

        For non health professional straight men, it’s not any more your concern how ugly came to be than it is how beauty came to be. When you meet a skinny woman you don’t ponder whether or not she works out of vomits to keep her figure except maybe as an afterthought. Why would you make such a mental stretch with a fat woman?

        I’m not saying your feelings are wrong. They’re your feelings and you have a right to them. I’m just saying that feelings aren’t facts.

        They are however, a fact of human life that anyone gunning to be the most socially dominant person in a situation should be aware of. Unless or until others consider your feelings a priority, they’re socially irrelevant.

        The alpha male makes everyone around them feel comfortable in a subordinate position through a combination of validation and fear. That line between being viewed as prone to occasional outbursts that cause fearfulness, and twitching like a manic poodle needs to be minded, especially if you don’t have the default trappings of high status.

        People should feel like when you’re nice to them, you’re doing them a favor or showing kindness and mercy. Women who get your attention should feel like they earned something.

        Picking on and going overboard to shun the fat as opposed to being sexually indifferent to them, is as bad as smarmy kissing up to them. It all gels into common loser behavior. Indifference is different. It’s also more effective at fending us off when we’re following Oprah’s advice because your body language isn’t feminine. You’re not frightened. You’re just not interested.

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      • i dont mind the huge people anymore… just an “ever growing” target market who will buy what im selling…

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      • I did – with a lovely roommate whose biggest flaw was excess weight. A month later and her eating habits has changed and she dropped probably 10lb. Another month later and she is cooking semi-regularly and dropped another 5lb.

        I think many women are overweight due to lack of love in their life. For some women it’s a protective mechanism because they are not ready yet to receive masculine love. For some women it’s a effect.

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      • Cool. What happened when you told her you’re not really interested? Did gain her weight back? Found another guy? Became so hot that you fell in love with her?

        “I think many women are overweight due to lack of love in their life. For some women it’s a protective mechanism because they are not ready yet to receive masculine love.”

        Interesting. In the past I was very careful that I didn’t look pretty (not so easy – God, I’m sad because of that) – I didn’t want any male attention. I’m wondering whether fat girls are doing the same. I see no reason for not being as pretty as possible if your goal is to find a husband. So I’d say girls who don’t do everything they can to be attractive either don’t want a man in their life (like me in the past) or they think they still have loooots of time and they will become hot in the future or they believe all men want only sex.
        I’m not fat, but since I’m reading blogs like this one (which regularly reminds me on the fact of declining female fertility and therefore attractiveness to the opposite sex), I’ve noticed that I’m trying to be super healthy subconsciously and without effort. I’m wondering whether this could help other girls, too. Heartiste should write columns for mainstream media. It appears sometimes in the media that it’s healthier to have babies before 35, but sadly most women don’t know that it’s also easier to find a man when you are young and pretty. From time to time I’ve also seen they mention that men like young and hot girls, but it’s always in the context of some feminist complaining about “societal pressures” or it’s written by some men in a very disrespectful way (which makes me want to slap them and also become feminist again). I’ve actually been always wondering why men are not repulsed by mean, bitchy, unfeminine, slutty, unhealthy or old women. I’ve always got this message in the media how guys prefer “experienced” girls who know what to do in bed (not having sex is almost shameful these days), how guys don’t really like these “anorexic” girls (in the same magazines) and how “curves” are much sexier, how important it is to be a strong, powerful woman. Sorry if I complained about that before on this blog, but I guess we really need someone to say fat=sexually repulsive, slutty=sexually repulsive, unhealthy (drinking, smoking etc.)=sexually repulsive, postmenopausal=sexually repulsive. It’s all so very logical and I don’t get why do we continue repeating just the opposite messages. It’s harmful for young girls who really don’t know that smoking, drinking, having casual sex, waiting for too long, concentrating on career only, etc. will have huge consequences when they will be finally ready to marry a man of their dreams.

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      • on August 10, 2011 at 2:43 pm Phoenix Ember

        If I may clarify a point: Sluts are not sexually repulsive to men. Quite the opposite: Sluts get lots of attention because we guys believe they’re more likely to put out. What we’re not willing to do is _marry_ sluts, or have long-term relationships with them. Which is fine with us. The sluts may feel differently, of course.

        Responding to your larger point: Is it really just that there’s a message that’s not being given to young women? It baffles me, too, that young women will piss away all their virtues in their 20’s and then, when they’re 30 and eager to get married, wonder why all the men have left them. (Of course, they always rationalize this as our needing to “man up” or some such bullshit.)

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      • “Sluts are not sexually repulsive to men. Quite the opposite”

        OK, I agree with that. But for us women SEX=LOVE (except for some rare occasions where there’s no chance to extract love – getting just the DNA is better than nothing, or maybe if we meet a super alpha with amazing DNA nobody would refuse).

        “Sluts get lots of attention because we guys believe they’re more likely to put out.”

        Sad. Sluts are females, too. They want to be loved as well. NO girl on this planet wants to be pumped and dumped. Why anyone would have sex with a girl he’s not in love with her?! You know what is the consequence of doing this? Single mothers.

        “Is it really just that there’s a message that’s not being given to young women?”

        Yes. There’s a message that we should only care about the fun we can have now, at this moment.

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      • on August 10, 2011 at 10:49 pm Phoenix Ember

        @Maya:

        It’s doubly sad because you know, betas are males, too. They want to have sex as well. NO guy on this planet wants to have his time and resources stolen from him. Why would anyone string along a guy she has no intention of ever having sex with?! You know what is the consequence of doing this? Pickup artists.

        Don’t fall into the trap of believing women are helpless creatures or above reproach, Maya.

        I think you’d agree with me that the message women are receiving that says they need to have fun right now, consequences be damned, is not coming from men. The last twenty years (at least) of feminism has been the story of women leading other women astray.

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      • We are in the process of separating as lovers but it has little to do with her looks. I always praised what I liked about her appearance and kept what I didn’t like to myself. On top of losing weight, she started wearing feminine dresses and using some make-up – overall looking much better. She is VERY feminine at depth and at the same time can almost match me in intellectual depth. What I brought into her world was exactly connection with her body and sensual realm of life.
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        It’s a common pattern for women to stay unattractive when they are not ready to receive love – for example because they were sexually abused due to their beauty as kids. Or because a woman THINKS that she should pick a partner based on his mind and emotion – not based on how he makes her body feel (I have a friend like that). Often beliefs changes together with the body.
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        Real FAT is not attractive on women. I am quite accepting of some padding, but there is a definite subtle boundary.
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        I also think women BENEFIT from subtle POSITIVE pressure to look good and be good for their partner. More than a few (longer-term) women I have been with improved their eating habits and looks – but they had a good example to learn from (me). I really think that when a woman’s heart if full with love and she has SOME idea about nutrition, she’ll settle into her natural body-shape. Accordingly, when I see either anorexic or truly over-weight women, I deduce that there isn’t much love in their lives.

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      • Maya:

        “Why anyone would have sex with a girl he’s not in love with her?!”

        Er, because he can? Ok, let’s make the assumption that this was an actual thought and you don’t understand. For men, it is best to view sex like the urge to urinate. My best choice would be a clean bathroom that I own. But if that won’t do, then the public urinal If that isn’t available then porn provides the handy bush or tree.

        I’m stealing this next line, but the next time your period comes around try making it stop by force of will. You’ll have about as much luck as trying to get the average male to stop his sex drive.

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      • Fat Girl = Beta Male. Life is cruel. Deal. Nobody wants or cares about beta males, and nobody wants or cares about fat girls. That’s the sexual/romantic marketplace.

        If she doesn’t like where she’s at, lose a lot of weight, get plastic surgery, and be pretty. Or be fat and miserable, her choice like a beta male’s to be a beta male or get aggressive and dominant.

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      • Life is cruel. Deal.

        lolzzllzlolzzllzlolzzllz!!!!!!!!

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      • I think fat girls have it better than beta males. All I had to do to stop being gangster bait is dress differently and put my hair up.

        A beta male trying to be more aggressive and less socially dependent is much, much more difficult.

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      • Agreed. They still get laid anyhow (some guys must be really desperate, I will never get around understanding that).

        Furthermore, how to lose weight is much better understood (dirt simple really, consume less calories than you use, although obviously you can go about it in good and bad ways) than how to change one’s personality.

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      • If it was dirt simple, there wouldnt be so many fatsos.

        Well, actually treating it can be dirt simple in some people, if they respond well to Octreatide…

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      • No, Whiskey has it right. In fact, the beta male has it better. The actual equivalence is fat girl = omega male.

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      • Depends on how fat the girl is.
        The fatter she is the more likely it is that she compares to an omega.

        I know far too many fat chicks that get laid regularly. At this point, they are just beta. Morbidly obese girls are sadly the new omega.

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      • Fat Girl = Omega Male, whiskey. You always seem to be confusing beta and omega.

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      • Comparing fat chicks to omegas is just stupid, uhm Omega dork. Fat chicks get laid all the time, even with alphas, because some alphas will fuck anything that walks. Look at Monica Lewinsky, she was fat (although not obese) and had a LTR with the premier alpha of the USA.

        Tons of fat chicks get married to betas, because in a 60% fat country, basically they’re what’s left when the alphas have had their lion’s share. Fat chicks dominate betas and exploit them in relationships, chew ’em up and then spit them out at divorce time. What the hell does that have to do with omegas? Nicole is right on the mark, fat chicks are better off than betas, and worse off than alphas.

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      • You’re right a fat girl can manage to sleep around with an attractive male, while and Omega guy aaaahh will *never* sleep with an attractive woman. When i was at my fattest (still cute tho’ 😉 I managed to bed a hot ass guy who i worked with. This guy was HOOOOT. Though, no one who knew the both of us would *EVERRRR* believe i hit that or rather *he* hit that. he was horny, I was horny and i didn’t give a damn if he never spoke with me again, I was going to get a piece of that. And i did – FAT as hell! LOL

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      • “Look at Monica Lewinsky, she was fat (although not obese) and had a LTR with the premier alpha of the USA. ”

        Nah. She sucked his dick when he pulled it out. Other than that, Clinton had zero interest. The only reason he put with her at all was (1) more dick sucking and later (2) her power to expose him.

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      • monica wasn’t undoably fat back then. considering the harpie he’s married to, you can hardly blame the guy.

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      • oooh that Hillary is Hideous! And Mr. Clinton if I may say so myself is quite attractive even with white hair. Annnnd. most of all?

        HE LIKES BLACK PEOPLE!! lol j/k

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      • There is no way a fat chick has more cultural cachet than a beta male. A beta male is one rung below alpha. Fat chicks are so devoid of importance as to be invisible. The verdict is in: Fat chicks = omega male.

        *And the Clinton analogy doesn’t wash. Getting a hummer only requires a pair of soft rosy lips. Fat chicks are motivated to swallow, because they are so physically repulsive, they know they must compensate.

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      • So where are the hot women lining up to get a lick from omegas?

        “Yeah that homeless dude laying in his own vomit better go down…”

        It’s not happening.

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      • If it actually would work it would be a pretty low reward strategy, why waste good game on a low quality target? Also, what would the “game plan” be, so to speak? How would you suggest nudging her in the right direction without causing or piling on to a damaged psyche? You can’t exactly use negs, that would probably be devastating.

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      • Exactly. Why anyone would waste time (AT A CLUB were people are really there to be noticed for hook ups) talking to a person they weren’t interested in or attracted to? Its stupid and silly. All this ring around the rosies to simply get to a hot chick (by trying to game the fat one) is so lame. Either try to get the woman you’re interested in or keep it moving.

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      • if the girl’s merely a little thick but still good looking, no problem. but if she’s genuinely fat, and i am repulsed by her, why would i waste my time and energy?

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      • Nobody’s asking you to shag the fat. Why do you always jump to that? Just be civil. You know, basic human respect like you’d like people to extend to you despite your defects.

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      • maya asked whether any guy here has tried to game a fat girl, to make her feel desired. my post was in response to that. i simply don’t waste my time and energy on the ugly or fat.

        this isn’t about civility, it’s about cost vs. benefits. i hardly expect someone who finds me repulsive in some way to come over and talk to me. i don’t take offense at being ignored.

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      • Okay, so you’re not a hypocrite.

        Just bear in mind, every woman becomes ugly or fat, and quite often both, at some point in her life. We are all aging.

        So none of us are really worth the trouble.

        If you keep that in mind, then those who suit your needs at the moment will be puppets on your string.

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      • Maya wrote: Has anyone ever tried to game a fat, depressed girl? My hypothesis is that this could work as a weight-loss strategy.

        Putting aside the truth that men are naturally uninterested in fat women, there is no gaming women with low appeal. There is only dealing with the layer upon layer of deception they have heaped upon themselves like protective blankets.

        But there is much to the strategy you cite, and game advisers would do well to concentrate on it. Women with artificially inflated self-esteem are ripe for the pricking and creative-destruction. Their unacknowledged neediness concealed by bravado turns into compliance through the frank, straight talk of a man. Unfortunately it is hard for anyone (the fatgirl included) to see the good looking girl under the fat.

        I knew a physical trainer in her twenties who apparently was enormous back in high school. She had worked herself thin and was very good looking and fit. (Unfortunately, the youthful bloat had taken its toll, and her skin was stretched irreparably once the clothes came off.) More important, she was appreciative. As Jack from the movie Sideways said about the chubby waitress he later snatches up, “Bet ya that chick’s two tons of fun. You know, the grateful type?” Some of that gratitude never leaves a former fattie. It is imprinted indelibly on her insecurities.

        Same with beta males, ladies. If there is one article of faith common to all of these blogs, it’s that alpha behavior is teachable. Men have become pussies because women have demanded it of them in recent history. If you find beta material, with a little old-school feminine wile, you can shape him up just like men enticing women into weight reduction.

        The make-over angle is tragically underdeveloped among the gamers I see, for both men and women. (Granted, I’m not a huge afficionado of the genre beyond this site.) If we all exclusively pursue the naturally good-looking or naturally game, we are missing a tremendous vein of raw material. To analogize: You can extract natural petroleum from shallow pools of huge, well-guarded Saudi reservoirs, or, with a little more expense and work, you can extract oil from sand and shale in Canada, or dig a little deeper than the last guy off the continental shelf. The one strategy is straightforward but so obvious everyone attempts it — which drives up the price and the defensiveness. The other is more complicated and more costly but within reach of just about anyone with will and patience.

        It’s silly that more men don’t engage in this kind of makeover project but rather think they can enter at the highest level with a couple street-magician tricks. And it’s downright ridiculous that more women don’t devote their sexual resources to encouraging men to reclaim their manhood, given the ease with which a focused woman can reprogram a beta’s behavior through a few simple submissive cues, allowing him to become the man he already secretly wants to be.

        On the other hand, that is two dimensions deeper into the metaphysic. Encouraging a girl to game a guy into getting game is as probable as training a dog to house-break other dogs. There is only so much deliberate rational strategy women can apply before their attention wanders to instinct.

        But women are nothing if not instinctively resourceful when it comes to their sexual market value — they have an intuition for attractiveness that escapes most blockheaded men, hence their obsession with glamor. And huge cultural mechanisms used to encourage women to expect manliness from men. Those institutions have been desiccated. Women, like men, are on their own these days — lone wolves picking over the ruins of a crumbling civilization.

        Women do love a makeover! (I would cite several Sex and The City episodes about just that if I had ever seen the show.) Unfortunately their complete ignorance of their unconscious desires makes their projects more like make-unders, refurbishing a poor fellow into being the ever more compliant bitch-boy. “I require you to be the man worthy of dominating me” is a deal a majority of gameless chumps would participate in — and for the long term.

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    • Zone you are so right. Its hard to change ugly while its easy to lose fat. i don’t see why people rag on homely looking people. That is so out of their control. Fatness is controllable. Some people no matter what kind of improvements they try to make will never be conventionally attractive.

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      • Loosing weight and controlling it is NOT easy. If it were, there would be much less fat people around. Very few actually want to be fat. And studies also show that most people who loose weight gain it back pretty quickly. It was around 5-10 % who actually stay thin.

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      • I disagree. People are fat b/c they are LAZY. Period. It takes a lot more work to focus on eating healthy than just stuffing your face with all kinds of “feel good” food.

        It truly has to be a complete mental overhaul before one can successful lose and keep weight off. The slower I go at changing my diet the easier it is for me to stick to it long term. I have 2 g/f’s who have lost a great amt of weight and kept it off for years b/c they did it slowly and recognized their triggers. I also have g/f’s who did everything under the sun to lose quickly and yes they gained back or developed other destructive habits b/c they didn’t deal with the root of the issue of their weight gain. Once someone gets to a point where they care about themselves again, there is no turning back.

        Obesity and fatness equals carelessness. At least for me. I had a set of events happen to me simultaneously and after one another that made me just say “fuck it I don’t care”. I was a highly attractive girl in shape before this. So I didn’t struggle with weight my entire life. There is a reason why people get to a point where they simply don’t care about their appearance and health anymore. Usually its something internal. And once they understand that, they can successfully lose and keep the weight off.

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      • Aaaaand that’s exactly my point. It’s easier not to do anything than to do all those things that are necessary for one to lose weight and then to stay thin.

        I’ve lost lot of weight myself and I wouldn’t say it was easy. It was hard work and because I’m naturally lazy person who doesn’t really care about exercise, it was even more difficult. There were phases when it was easier like when I started dating my current bf. Seemingly love really does make people lose weight. But keeping kilos away has been a constant fight against my laziness and love of chocolate and other unhealthy stuff. I do it because it was horrible being fat and I don’t EVER want to be that again. At this point I think I’d rather put a bullet in my head than be fat…

        Now I’m not saying that it’s difficult to everybody but it’s quite unfair to measure everyone by the abilities of one person. If playing piano is easy for me, it doesn’t mean it’s easy for everyone else. If losing weight and staying thin is easy for YOU, consider yourself extremely lucky. Most of us have work our asses off for that and it’s exactly the reason why so many people are fat.

        “Obesity and fatness equals carelessness. ”

        If you’re a fat kid, it equals carelessness of parents. But not disagreeing here, though.

        “There is a reason why people get to a point where they simply don’t care about their appearance and health anymore. Usually its something internal. And once they understand that, they can successfully lose and keep the weight off.”

        They CAN but quite often they don’t. Because even though they understand why they are fat, they just don’t care because of those internal reasons…

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      • Aarwan,

        It seems we agree that fatness really equates to laziness & carelessness. But the two are not the same. I was CARELESS and you were LAZY. I simply didn’t *care* to do anything about my weight b/c I was feeling sorry for myself. Where we differ is for some people, they are simply lazy when it comes to food and exercise and its quite harder for those people like this to maintain and keep off weight. I am guessing this is you by your description. you are a naturally lazy person who has to constantly fight yourself to stay on track to not eat garbage and exercise.

        This is not me as a PERSON. I have never been a lazy person with my weight, appearance or with exercise. It wasn’t until events happened in my life that I stopped caring. Now that i recognized those events for what they were, I simply understand my triggers and am on my way to get back to being the person I have always been. However, I choose to go slowly so that I do not become overwhelmed with the overhaul and change. I know for a fact once I get back to my normal self I will NEVER turn back. I can handle stress and situations now much differently than I did when I was younger and put on the weight.

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      • It does not make a difference one way or another. Lazy is bad, careless is bad. Hence fat bad (and ugly to look at on top of it). Case closed.

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      • It’s all relative. Live is hard, suck it up. It’s easy to lose weight compared with, say, performing plastic surgery on yourself.

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      • dont worry about your weight
        you look good with that little bit extra
        fwiw i think it enhances your endowments

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      • Damn, don’t tell her not to worry. She has to lose all excess weight – she’ll be grateful that she did when people around her will be having hip replacements and heart attacks thirty years from now.

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      • Dude, do you read this blog?

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      • Fire,

        I love you baby! And yes I know the gals are going to slowly deflate. Luckily deflating for me and going back to my original boobs means going from DD to a D. So I’m still good 😉

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      • Neecy,

        sorry for my bitchy comment above. Hope you don’t mind 🙂

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      • I’m really sorry for the way I communicate – I’d delete it if I could.

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      • Neecy,

        I’m really sorry for the shitty comment above … 😦

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      • No worries BABE I knew what you meant. 😉

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      • jesus you bitches are crazy
        you didnt even see i said i liked her extra weight because of the bewbage.

        take a black girls softball jockette
        put her in a size S t-shirt
        wtf is not to like

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      • Actually FP the shirt was a L but i bought it from one of those cheap Asian little shops so you know how that cheap shit fits. LOL

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      • It is easy to lose weight if what you’re carrying is truly excessive. When you get closer to your natural weight under a normal/moderate activity level is when it gets hard.

        Most fat people are not very obese. Getting down to a Hollywood ideal 12-15% bodyfat level basically requires that a person not really eat. I respect those on a low calorie lifestyle, but it is not something that someone who is not obsessive would find easy.

        People who don’t get down to that level easily are also not all lazy…not by far. In fact, most fit women are going to settle naturally around 17-30% bodyfat depending on their genes, age, and type of activity.

        Living on a severe calorie deficit is worth the price for some people, but many women are not trying to marry a rock star, and are not competing with Hollywood level women.

        You may also want to consider that for women of African ancestry who are under 30, if we eat naturally, we don’t get fat. If you get outside the U.S. and you see a fat Black woman, you know she’s old or American. They just don’t exist in significant numbers.

        It is easier for us to be slim than it is for most other women in similar circumstances. So a Black woman running around talking about how easy it is to be slim is like a White woman running around talking about how easy it is to have blue eyes or something.

        I was skinny until I hit the thyroid wall from stupidly following a USDA “healthy” diet. I didn’t really have to put much effort into it. I’m just a high energy person. It’s why it was pretty easy to drop most of my extra weight just from eating naturally and walking.

        So I wouldn’t dare look at someone else and assume it would be as easy for them as it is for me. I’m older though, and into martial arts, so I don’t have the luxury of believing that a few extra pounds detracts from anyone’s fitness. Someone who can kick my ass is probably not below me on the Darwinian scale.

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      • Nicole you are so right. When at my fattest my doctor looked at my weight on paper, then looked at me sideways and said “You certainly don’t look that obese”. LOL I didn’t know whether to feel complimented or insulted. I swear women my weight at the time would look like waddling panda bears. A woman who is generally solid by nature will have fat evenly distributed throughout her body thus making her look a little less bigger than she really is. That is why its so tragic when Black women gain so much weight. We ruin very nice figures in the process.

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      • It is a tragedy that so many young Black women in the U.S. are way fatter than they ought to be. For people with field hand type genes, it’s natural to be on the thicker side if they’re not starving and don’t have the kind of activity level they’re built for. It has gotten way out of hand though.

        This issue is one of the things that internalized HBD for me, and also reinforced my commitment to being natural spiritually too. Seeing the positive changes in body, mind, and soul, it’s hard for me to see others basically living someone else’s life.

        Living someone else’s life is exhausting. Black women need to start living their own life. This makes it easier to get everything one wants…relationships, fitness, what ever. Problem is that this change requires rejection of the multicult. We tend to fear that because of racism, but what most don’t understand is that people are going to be racist anyway.

        I sometimes wonder if social enforcement of a kind of physical and not just nationalist assimilation is a subconsciously sadistic way of making us suffer and killing us off. It’s like when someone gives you crappy advice to take out the competition.

        I’ve gotten nasty comments on my natural dieting site mostly revolving around my putting in writing that people of different ethnicities have different nutritional needs. That is something that is obvious and yet it’s somehow wrong to say so.

        Despite my personal problems with racism up close in Israel, I do feel fortunate that it is not so hard to educate people here because they don’t have a problem with the idea of differences or eating for the climate. We have a strong population of natural folks, a good proportion of them Russians whose kids blew up on the typical western diet when they started importing more junk fats and sneaking soy in a lot of the bread.

        We’re kind of a nation in recovery here. For awhile, there was gutts and butts everywhere, but now it’s going back down. In an attempt to capitalize on the return of natural food here, a production company started doing farmers’ markets by neighborhood, but the fruit and vegetable stands already filled that gap.

        Folks here love real food. I wish it were so in more places in the U.S.

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      • have you seen the study looking at the 1000 calorie a day diets? there were three groups… one only ate protein, one fat, one carbs. 1000 calories a day for the entire study.

        -fat group— lost the most weight
        -protein—lost the second most
        -carbs— GAINED weight

        this whole connection between calories and weight loss is retarded…

        it’s simple… eat MEAT and VEGGIES. (no bread, no pasta)

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      • [*citation needed]

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      • Nicole you are right. i think Blacks in general are plant eaters (based on our genetics from Africa). Whites are carnevour meat eaters by nature. I think that so many Blacks get diabetes etc., b/c our bodies were not made to consume carbs or too much meat. Defintley not sugar. Any other place in the world the Black women are thin and trim. only in America are Black women so overweight and obese.

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      • Neecy, I’m not sure how you got plant eaters out of African genes. Some groups eat very little in the way of vegetables, and live almost exclusively on meat, seafood, blood, raw milk, and occasional honey.

        It is more likely that a West African, unless they’re Igbo, would be healthier on only blood and yoghurt and fasting every third day than it is that they’d be healthy on nothing but vegetables.

        Another thing to note is that even traditional vegetarians eat meat through lactofermentation. It’s just microscopic animals instead of large ones. 😉

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      • fat people are not necessarily lazy. most times they’re just misinformed.

        example—

        conventional wisdom suggests “low fat” diets will make you lose weight.

        what’s actually the case? eating a high fat (yes saturated fats are fine), moderate protein, low carb diet is most likely ideal…

        dont believe me? say that to the two inches I just had taken in on my jeans… and the 8 patty five guys burger I had the other day…

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      • Until someone shows me convincing data to disprove it, I will maintain that the laws of thermodynamics hold for human weight, too.

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      • @nupi

        Read Good Calories/Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. Tons of research, we’ve been sold a bill of goods and it puts money in a lot of people’s pockets, just not our own and we’re still fat.

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      • aoefe: I am aware that calories are not equally healthy but implying you will lose weight while eating whatever amounts of fat (as opposed to carbohydrates) is simply bogus.

        Largely its the amount of calories you eat that decide your weight, the type of calories might have other health indications though. Dont believe me? Read http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html

        BTW: With the exception of a few specific examples that have held up very well, most nutrition research is borderline junk science anyhow…

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      • Nupi…exactly why I’ve been doing cold water treatments lately…

        you may be interested in tim ferriss’s new book…he addresses that. interesting springboard.

        (michael phelps is enough of an example for me, though)

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      • this is easily settled… follow my diet… and gain fat. i dare you.

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      • I’ve always been slender, whether I ate carbs, fat or protein based diets so yes I tried it. To ME it does not make much of a difference in weight (well being is different).

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      • @nupi

        Calories are not equal. Our bodies use them differently. When you reduce carbs significantly the fuel source for your body switches to your own fat, not the carbs you used to fuel it with. Ketosis is proof your body is in fat burning mode and you don’t get to ketosis without significant carb reduction. Grains, processed food and non-naturally occurring sugars are terrible for health. We are not biologically able to use them well. Obesity has grown on low fat eating and low calorie diets. Not arguing you can overeat on protein, fat rich diet either, but have you ever tried to overeat meat? Hard to do. Plus ketosis reduces appetite. Mark’s Daily Apple is a great resource for principals. And seriously CNN as a link, I’m not even going to check it out. Read the book I suggested and then we’ll dialogue – it’s an extensive research document, very enlightening.

        I’m not going to talk fat/food/diet here anymore, it’s not my place, nor the point of the site.

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      • “I disagree. People are fat b/c they are LAZY. Period”

        This belief is why there are so many fat people around. Ignorance is the problem, not sloth. Sloth is a downstream variable.

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  6. No, this story’s funny to me because it reminds me of male game, the nightmare scenario of a bashful beta being dragged into clubs by an alleged pua he’s paying to help sarge him into a game master. He too may seem miserable, like the reluctant cockblock. But, the difference is is that the male can learn game, and eventually come out of the experience with higher SMV. Girl game will always be about looks. I wonder, though, did the hot one hold a makeover party for fug? I would imagine that’s the way you’d know that she’s genuinely trying to help the friend instead of using her as a shield.

    The fug will always have the same SMV. In dc, I am sure dudes have been accosted by fug sets that think that their loneliness is a result of not aggressively pursuing guys, female game mimicking male game.

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  7. I’m right there with you Joe. It’s amazing (in retrospect) how pathetically beta I had become towards the end of my last relationship. 7 years down the fuckin drain because I thought that maybe this girl loved me enough we could just be together. The alpha was strong with me when that relationship started, but because I had no idea what it was that actually attracted her to me in the first place I also had no idea what I was doing wrong when I started to slip. And once you start to slip its a vicious downward spiral that’s almost impossible to recover from. 5 years of alpha and 2 years of beta, I’m pretty sure you guys could all guess what she remembers me as. Oh well. I’m happier to be out hunting again than I ever could have been had I stayed.

    So thank you, oh enlightened writers of the Chateau, for flipping that switch in my head. On behalf of all those still deluded into thinking that what women say is what they actually want, I say please keep up the good work. It’s places like this, and those willing to slug it out with the haters and liemongers, that give me a shred of hope for the future of all mankind.

    Bravo!

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  8. I’m lmao!

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  9. I hate these pairs of beutiful-ugly.

    The beutiful girl is always someone narcisstic and manipulative who needs a fugly servant and is afraid of competition and wants to monopolise all attention. They actually get a pleasure and ego-boost from their servant being rejected and use the fugly girl as a prop to appear even hotter.
    The ugly one is an insecure and infantile animal who needs a mommy and a female pack leader not a man. These fuglies all actually hate men and worship their beutiful role-models, will go to great sacrafices for them who actually are thier greatest enemies and parasites.

    None of such pair is worh everything. Normal women befriend girls on their own level.

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  10. I always thought fatties/uglies were good practice for guys honing their game – especially when accompanied by better-looking specimen. (Verbal practice only.)

    Not only that but it helps to bring the beauties down a few notches in your mind. Sure, they’re objectively better looking/skinnier. But it’s fun to watch them squirm indignantly as you shower attention on their lessers. If you can treat ’em all like they’re fat and ugly, the world is your oyster. A good way to start is to banish the word “hot” from your list of adjectives for chicks.

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    • Some time ago I had a choice between a hot, young airline stewardess and a chubby accountant and I took the wrong one. It was at a houseparty and the accountant would get me drinks, massage my back and find everything I had to say awesome. Now I was also a little bit drunk.
      When I finally took off with her the stewardess gave me that “Seriously?” look as we got dressed. That felt great for 30 seconds.
      On my way home I realized whom I was with and had to ditch her before we got home. It was awkward but I succeeded. So no, fuck that. Have quality standards. Be nice to the lesser girls, but make sure you go home with the Alpha-ladies.

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      • Agreed – that’s why I say “verbal practice only.” Never get roped in. Fatties/uglies can use extremely overt seduction tactics like you described because they’re always going for broke.

        At least you broke free!

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  11. I hate these pairs of beautiful and ugly.

    The beautiful girl is always narcisstic and manipulative. She secretly recieves ego-boosts form seeing her ugly servant being rejected. She is greedy and insecure and wants no competition therefore she uses the ugly girl as a prop to appear even hotter by contrast or as a shield from boring beta suitors.

    The ugly girl always tells stories of being hurt in childhood. She actually resents men and seeks a female role-model to worship. She likes to witness male humiliation and her desire is to be able to reject just like her idol does. She will go trough fire for her beatyful idol and worship her true enemy and parasite.

    Normal girls befriend girls of their own level and weight-category.

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  12. oops, sorry It seems my earlier comment got posted altrough anonymously so there was no need to write it again. These social net Log in buttons mess up with my browser.

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  13. I don’t know if I’m lucky that I haven’t had to deal with this as much or I just haven’t been trying hard enough.

    The last weekend I saw a little hottie that I always see with an entourage following her around. This time, she was only with her unattractive friend. I opened up immediately by placing the unattractive one between me and the hottie and addressed them both, but paying more attention to the unattractive one.

    The unattractive one gave all sorts of uncomfortable vibes towards me. Her hottie friend, however, eagerly was leaning towards me and dominated the conversation. I bailed out early, because I felt the unattractive one preparing the cockblock move and I didn’t want to be the one to be rejected.

    I’ll have to test the theory more to see where I can take it.

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  14. on August 9, 2011 at 5:25 pm White History

    The best way to meet these women is to avoid nightclubs altogether.

    Find them in their natural habitat, away from the alcohol, noisy music, and inflated egos.

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  15. Under option (a), you forgot to mention the desperate betas and omegas who would just give up and go home with the warpig.

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  16. Heartiste…

    What can I say. Your blog makes me laugh out loud every time I come here…and then leaves me profoundly depressed.

    I also alternate between extreme violence (wanting to scratch your eyes out, specifically) and wanting to fuck you.

    Go figure.

    Ay yi yi.

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    • There’s nothing to figure out, you’re suffering from a normal condition called gina tingles, induced by the receptivity of your ancient attraction triggers to assholery.
      Embrace womanhood, and go for it girl. A house full of cats is not that bad after all.

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      • Cats are fantastic creatures…they don’t put up with shit.

        Speaking of which… we women with high-functioning brains are caught in a conundrum: we want to fuck alphas (no doubt about it) but we sure as HELL don’t want to live with them or even be around them socially. I’m currently casually dating an alpha (small business owner at 33, black belt martial arts expert, muscle-bound, fierce) and yeah…the sex is great. He’s also a chauvinistic jerk most of the time. Do I want to spend the rest of my life with someone like that? Nope. Do I even want him to hang out with the rest of my friends? No thanks.

        See, what nobody seems to mention very often here is…alpha males (by this site’s definition) just aren’t really much fun to be around. Nobody wants to spend time with a prick.

        It’s been mentioned numerous times on this site that women more commonly initiate divorce. Now, I fully agree that it definitely sometimes is because they’re stuck with weakling betas who allow the women to walk all over them. I totally buy that.

        HOWEVER…it’s equally true (and from firsthand experience I can testify that this often happens in small towns/”red” states) that attractive women get married young, often as virgins or having had one or two previous partners, to very alpha men (think young, strapping cowboys from MT). Often there is some religious language/ideology involved…”man as head of the household”, blah blah blah. And yes, these guys ARE often alpha (again, as defined by this site).

        Flash forward ten years. Wife is in her late twenties/early thirties. Has 2-4 kids. Probably still attractive, but is SICK AND TIRED of being treated like a piece of trash by her “alpha” husband, who expects her to raise the kids, do the housework, get him a beer, put out on demand, and keep her nose out of the family finances. (Do you think I’m making this up? I swear to God, this is a real, everyday scenario for women my age in rural, “red” states.) She starts to grow her own backbone…and then she leaves.

        So…if your goal really is to bang as many women as possible in your lifetime, then by all means…carry on. But for intelligent, mature men who want a future with family, intimacy, and relationship…sorry, but you’re going to have to figure out a way to command your woman’s respect on the level of *character*. Which means you can’t just be a prick and treat her like worthless shit.

        I don’t see a lot of discussion about this on this site. What place do character and integrity hold for an “alpha” male? Personally, my definition of “alpha” is incomplete without these traits. A dishonest man is a weak man. A rude, brutish man is a weak man. A disrespectful man is a weak man. An inconsiderate, selfish man is a weak man.

        Alpha for me is: unwaveringly honest, strong, brave, wise, respectful, measured, selfless, considerate, fierce, passionate, protective.

        Don’t find a whole lot of THOSE.

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      • …the comment above was mine.

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      • …crumpetess, that is. (Wouldn’t let me log in!)

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      • The problem isn’t in the animal dynamic. It just is. The problem is in you and your inability (refusal?) to discipline your impulses. As usual. Read about Sophie in Rousseau’s “Emile.” Or Eve in the Garden. Or the modern retelling of the oldest story in the world under the name “hypergamy.”

        You can’t resist the jerk, then you complain about the way a jerk treats you. Typical female cake-and-eat-it-too antilogic. Which has somehow officially morphed into the man’s sole responsibility.

        All is chaos when women’s naturally unbounded desires are not controlled, whether externally or internally. After the sexual revolution, your only choice is internal, as all protections against girls losing their souls in the slough of sluttishness have been discredited and dismantled. “Follow your heart” = Free Admission to the Ceaseless Cock Carousel.

        If all bets are off and undisciplined desires are given free rein, the women take the brunt of it. You’re welcome, says feminism.

        You have to sacrifice something to get something. In the absence of women signaling a willingness to give up hypergamy, we have no incentive to protect you from yourselves. The beta population is made up of men who missed the memo that the deal is off, and they continue to unilaterally contribute to a voided social contract. Those days are coming to a close: either we renegotiate terms or we revert to the state of nature, where women are even bigger losers than they are now. No more deluded beta chivalry cradling your used bodies past their sell-by date once we lose the generational memory of why men once accepted those terms. It’s a jungle out there, baby.

        “Adultery” comes from the same root as “adulterate,” and the term used to apply to women alone because only by their promiscuity could a family line be (secretly) adulterated. (For men, the term was simple “fornication,” which had no impact on the integrity on official genetic continuance.) Male promiscuity is containable, female promiscuity means the disruption of civil order.

        In other words, given the state of chaos brought on by indulging princesses, your complaints will find no purchase here, but rather the opposite.

        Much more to say, since there is hope for women like you with at least the courage to admit your desires. But gotta run.

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      • King A on top! Too bad the comment was delayed.

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      • I actually agree with most of what King A has to say. Most sensible thing I’ve read all day. I want to hear more about that end part though…hope? What’s that? lol

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      • Oh the comment wasn’t delayed… but King A remains on top.

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      • I disagree about the hope thing. How old are you again? 30? Bad news for you: you hit the wall. And with that mindset of yours, you hit it hard.
        Thanks anyway for proving H’s points (not that they needed further evidence) and giving neecy an epiphany.

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      • @ Gilgamesh: not particularly interested in what you have to say. Want to hear King A.

        But while we’re here…my mindset?!? That coming into this, I already agreed with 85% of this website? Ummm…ok.

        Btw…at 30 I have a lot more going for me (looks-wise and otherwise) than at 20. I have another solid 15 years, at the very least. My mother still gets hit on all the time and she’s 56. Pretty good sign. Genetics stay true.

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      • “Btw…at 30 I have a lot more going for me (looks-wise and otherwise) than at 20.”

        Yes. Because you are more slutty now than you were ten years ago. If casual sex is what you want than you have solid 15 yrs, but if you want love too, HURRY UP!

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      • Oops…posted in the wrong place.

        @ Maya:

        Sweetpea, ten years ago I was an overly-idealistic virgin, just like you. But as I said…you just keep hanging in there.

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      • Once again, King A finds the words the rest of us struggle for. Well said.

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      • Ouch! That hurts… not. Impressing an aging cum dumpster ho is not really appealing. It would hurt though if you were still young. (and if english was my mother tongue: i hate you, king A and you bunch of articulate mofo’s)

        Your mother is still whoring at 56? Damn, and you’re still hoping for the perfect alpha gentleman who is gonna perpetuate your whorish genes? Poor guy.

        Glad that I spinned your hamster with my orginal comment. Have a good day.

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      • Oh. She simply gets hit on, my bad. But the guys who are hitting on her (losers) are not ready to commit to her. Sexual market value is not equal to marriage market value.

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      • @ Gilgamesh: yet more incoherency. My mother is happily, faithfully married, and yes, men hit still hit on her at 56. Sorry that doesn’t compute…maybe you should get out a dictionary and thesaurus?

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      • “My mother is happily, faithfully married, and yes, men hit still hit on her at 56.”

        So what’s that good with men hitting on her? I would find it more annoying than something to be proud of. These creepy men who hit on her just want to have sex … Or do they write her poems?

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      • crumpetess,

        There is hope for you once you understand your destiny is to be the midwife to a new era. But again, this requires your giving up gratification and the expectation of enjoying the advantages of two contradictory goods. 1) The shadow of deep-seated animal satiety, the lie of female desire, which becomes a disappointing mirage or fleeting sentiment, the essence of the Romantic movement, and the kindling for a million alpha pump & dumps; and 2) the bourgeois protections of a committed man for life. Everything depends on women constraining their unlimited desires to reconcile this emotional contradiction. But constraint is not easy, is it? We think freedom lies in limitlessness, whereas, in truth, liberty cannot exist without imposed restraint. It’s the difference between a jungle and a garden.

        True, there is little “hope” for you to find a similarly constrained alpha who has options but chooses you alone. They exist, but not only must you be superworthy, there must be culturally imposed limits on his behavior to assist you in keeping him contained — and we both happen to have been born in an era shortly after the destruction of those limits. Right now, the idea of containment itself is still discredited (especially on this blog). There is a long way to go before we suffer back into the wisdom of discipline. Our task, therefore, is reconstruction.

        Nothing great was ever built in a single lifetime. No good comes without sacrifice.

        In other words, princess, it’s not all about you. It is about shaping a beta into an alpha, and making alpha men with him. So long as feminism caused you to discount your true desires, and modern nihilism encourages you to consider it hopeless to refrain from acting on your desires, you will be a pinball bouncing wildly from cock to cock, you will end up empty and used and discarded and forever trying to be “young again.”

        The Truth That Must Not Be Told on sites like these is: even swinging players become bored with their promiscuity and ungoverned impulses. They begin to desire legacy, some sort of immortality, whether through procreation or art or apprentice heirs carrying on their spirit (or at minimum, their name). Read Plato’s Symposium for the ur-text on this phenomenon.

        You have two options. Encourage a morally inclined beta into acting like a man, which will include your willingness to submit to him. Or persuade an alpha to be moral. The latter is not impossible given the right circumstances, but it is vanishingly unlikely given the smog of lies in which we still must operate. Your better bet is the former, but time’s awasting.

        Your life choices have already circumscribed your options — thirty is late to begin this project. But don’t despair: you were brought up on lies, and much of your behavior is not of your own design. Now you have been liberated. That’s what I meant about hope. Now you possess revelation, now you have no excuse not hammer out the best deal you can, and find some comfort in making the best of a tragic situation.

        Practically speaking, don’t ditch the alpha jerk because “he’s bad for you.” Put a price on your submission to him, and be okay when he inevitably takes his business elsewhere. At the same time, don’t latch onto a beta provider because “he’s good for you.” Those are two rotted ends of the same lie. Embrace the fact that you don’t know what’s good for you, no woman does.

        Seek, encourage, or create the man to be vigilant over your reckless impulses and contradictory understandings of truth, and strive to be worthy of this tremendous gift (and sacrifice) on his part. Because once he is manly enough to lord over your deficiencies, he will realize he has better options than an aging woman losing the glow of youth. By then, his integrity will be the thin tissue holding your makeshift covenant together — the only thing keeping you from ultimate dejection in life. It seems like a risky bet, until you consider the alternative: The House of Many Cats.

        Expect more from the beta orbiters in your life. Demand it from them. Let them know their repulsive timorousness is not acceptable in your presence, and hold out your submission as their reward. That’s all you, I have no knowledge of how women do this, that is your little fiefdom in the Principality of Game : directing indirectly is the coy art of women. Send them to this website without endorsing it. Be passively aggressive in their remedial teaching. It’s a tall order, but no one said game was easy, for men or women.

        My other comment above went over much of this material but is stuck in moderation.

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      • King A,

        Just wanted to say that I read and very much appreciated your thoughts, yet again.

        You said: “Embrace the fact that you don’t know what’s good for you, no woman does.”

        That resonates as clearly as any bell tolling from a lonely tower ever did.

        Your “raised on lies” also struck a chord…because although many on this blog have been quick to sling the epithet of “feminist” (along with a host of unmerited others) at me, it happens that I was raised in a very conservative Christian environment where the highest possible value was placed on virginity, wifely submission and purity.

        I lived those values both in theory and in practice until my mid-20s, when they simply did not appear to be working anymore. At least not for me. (I am careful to choose the word “appear” here, because I really don’t have the faintest idea what does or does not work for anyone anymore, much less myself.)

        In any case, you are quite right…I have tasted from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, surely…and now more than ever before that… I have no idea what I want.

        I’d like to believe that, as you suggest, men can still be inspired to be their best selves…there is precious little evidence of that. But perhaps. Perhaps.

        So..for what it’s worth, I plan to weigh up what you’ve said very carefully. You may have more influence than you know, and your voice is steady amid a whole lot of masculine shrieking and folly.

        Maybe 30 is late to begin this endeavor…and maybe the endeavor is fruitless. I suspect that it will only really be of importance for a few more years (10 or so) after which I can see myself quite happily living as a very content, wry, industrious spinster. That thought is almost a relief, in fact.

        In the words of a great poet, Denise Levertov (who was not a feminist either…but rather, a good Anglican wounded by love and by life), perhaps my destiny is this:

        “…a kind of sober euphoria makes her believe
        in her future as an old woman, a wanderer
        seamed and brown,
        little luxuries of the middle of life all gone,
        watching cities and rivers, people and mountains,
        without being watched; not grim nor sad,
        an old winedrinking woman, who knows
        the old roads, grass-grown, and laughs to herself…”

        Doesn’t sound so bad, really…

        Thanks again, King A, for engaging with me in a provocative, respectful and challenging way. It’s greatly admired and appreciated.

        (complete text of the poem below)

        “A Woman Alone

        When she cannot be sure
        which of two lovers it was with whom she felt
        this or that moment of pleasure, of something fiery
        streaking from head to heels, the way the white
        flame of a cascade streaks a mountainside
        seen from a car across a valley, the car
        changing gear, skirting a precipice,
        climbing . . .
        When she can sit or walk for hours after a movie
        talking earnestly and with bursts of laughter
        with friends, without worrying
        that it’s late, dinner at midnight, her time
        spent without counting the change . . .
        When half her bed is covered with books
        and no one is kept awake by the reading light
        and she disconnects the phone, to sleep till noon . . .
        Then
        self-pity dries up, a joy
        untainted by guilt lifts her.
        She has fears, but not about loneliness;
        fears about how to deal with the aging
        of her body—how to deal
        with photographs and the mirror. She feels
        so much younger and more beautiful
        than the looks. At her happiest
        —or even in the midst of
        some less than joyful hour, sweating
        patiently through a heatwave in the city
        or hearing the sparrows at daybreak, dully gray,
        toneless, the sound of fatigue—
        a kind of sober euphoria makes her believe
        in her future as an old woman, a wanderer
        seamed and brown,
        little luxuries of the middle of life all gone,
        watching cities and rivers, people and mountains,
        without being watched; not grim nor sad,
        an old winedrinking woman, who knows
        the old roads, grass-grown, and laughs to herself . . .
        She knows it can’t be:
        that’s Mrs. Doasyouwouldbedoneby from The Water Babies,
        no one can walk the world any more,
        a world of fumes and decibels.
        But she thinks maybe
        she could get to be tough and wise, some way,
        anyway. Now at least
        she is past the time of mourning,
        now she can say without shame or deceit,
        O blessed Solitude.”

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      • @ Gilgamesh: beta, for sure. And as if English isn’t your second language…haha. You’re just incoherent, is all.

        @ King A: total alpha

        @ My mom: sorry for bringing you into this and @ Gilgamesh, my mother has slept with two men in her entire life. Which is probably fewer than YOUR whore of a mother.

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      • @ Gilgamesh: typo correction…English blatantly is NOT your second language; you’re simply incoherent.

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      • “@ King A: total alpha”

        Glad you’re willing to listen to someone. But he’s telling you something similar than we all are.

        “@ Gilgamesh, my mother has slept with two men in her entire life. Which is probably fewer than YOUR whore of a mother.”

        Ummm, so why did it, all of a sudden, became important to you that your mum slept with less men than Gilgamesh’s mum? I thought you were proud of your numerous delicious lovers? The more the better.

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      • You’re correct, english is not my second language, it’s my third. Would love to romance you en français and pump & dump you anytime.
        Yes, I’m a beta since I’m putting up with your shit. I’m going to alpha it up and ignore your sorry ass.

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      • Wait a second! The trashy cunt wrote about my mother… Be careful, bitch. Internet is risk free. In real life, playing the tough girl can get you in trouble.

        Again, glad that i spinned your hamster and that you revealed the disgusting side of your personality.
        Enjoy your cats and the random cocks. Your dark soul will need them.

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      • @ Gilgamesh: correct, you need to shut up.

        @ Maya: Go play with your dollies, hon. Although I agree with Aoife…you’re just too weird to be real.

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      • @ Maya:

        I said…”@ Gilgamesh, my mother has slept with two men in her entire life. Which is probably fewer than YOUR whore of a mother.”

        You asked: “Ummm, so why did it, all of a sudden, became important to you that your mum slept with less men than Gilgamesh’s mum?”

        It became important because I knew for a fact that it would get a rise out of Gilgamesh. Which it did, further cementing his beta-hood.

        Watch and learn. Thus, are betas provoked and ousted.

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      • @ Gilgamesh: quick ESL lesson…it’s “spun your hamster” not “spinned your hamster”.

        And I’d happily play cruel cocktease to your pump and dump attempt…who’s going to go home at the end of the night with blue balls? Pas moi, mon cher ami.

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      • You’re onto something. Instead of shit testing, insult everyone who approaches you to screen out the betas. I’m sure your prince charming would be aroused by such a display of ballcutting tendencies and male hating issues.
        I don’t need to shut up, i simply need to ignore your pathetic attention whoring. Et c’est ce que je compte faire, pétasse.

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      • Still can’t stay away, Gilgamesh, can you? Can’t quite pull of the alpha. Ah. Mon amour. Mon petit chou chou.

        Ferme ton gros bouche. Tu es fils d’un gay et d’une pute. Adieu.

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      • Still can’t stay away, Gilgamesh, can you? Can’t quite pull off the alpha. Ah. Mon amour. Mon petit chou chou.

        Ferme ton gros bouche. Tu es fils d’un gay et d’une pute. Adieu.

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      • lol. Check out this classic hamster dash, folks:

        “I’m currently casually dating an alpha (small business owner at 33, black belt martial arts expert, muscle-bound, fierce) and yeah…the sex is great. He’s also a chauvinistic jerk most of the time.” (likely translation: he is immune to the poster’s attempts at manipulation.)

        Same post, later:

        “Alpha for me is: unwaveringly honest, strong, brave, wise, respectful, measured, selfless, considerate, fierce, passionate, protective..”

        So to recap, she fesses up initially about what turns her crank: monied tough guys. But then she insists that something else would do it: unwaveringly honest, strong, brave, wise, respectful, measured, selfless, considerate, fierce, passionate, protective guys. That second outline easily describes countless khaki-clad betas walking down every metropolitan street in America right now.

        But only a tiny fraction of those guys will *ALSO* be black belt, muscle-bound, fierce, successful business owners–that is, a man who combines what she truly desires with those certain qualities towards HER (and her alone) that she wishes were also present in the real alphas.

        In short, she insists that her real desire is for the beta, even as she fucks the alpha. Again. And again. And again. This is Game 101, folks: observe who the woman fucks when given any option to determine who she desires. Don’t listen to her descriptions of who she wants.

        What she is describing in that second “alpha” description is the guy she wants to settle down with to raise children. But her hamster is claiming that those betas are like unicorns: damn hard to find, but surely–surely!–out there waiting for her arrival. (“Don’t find a whole lot of THOSE.”) Bullshit. She daily walks past scores of guys who fit the description of her alleged unicorn, even as she claims they are nowhere.

        Inactuality, she is seeking a unicorn, in a sense: a man who is both the guy she is sexing now AND the beta she wants to help her raise the children. She just won’t admit that to herself. Nature is too strong to be denied, however, so she is simply following the standard programming. Sex the alpha now, and snare the beta later when the kids show up and the alpha vamooses.

        Young men, read that post a few more times. That is what you are dealing with, by and large. The only choice you really face as men is who you want to be: the guy she is banging now, or the guy she will settle for in a few more years. That latter man is a decent man she will come to loathe and detest for daily exhibiting the exact qualities (honest, selfless, etc.) she claims to desire. That is your reward for being honest, selfless, etc.

        Of course, you may equally foolishly believe you will find your own unicorn: a hot, horny woman who is aware of the innate contradiction in female reproductive strategies, and doesn’t allow that contradiction to ruin good relationships in her life. Good luck. ha ha

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      • Umm…sorry, but your reply does not follow a logical progression in relation to what I actually wrote.

        To repeat, my definition of “alpha: is: unwaveringly honest, strong, brave, wise, respectful, measured, selfless, considerate, fierce, passionate, protective.

        So you think that “strong, brave, fierce, protective, passionate” are adjectives that apply to betas?!?

        That’s news to me (and probably everyone else as well). According to this site, that’s pretty much the opposite of beta…I thought betas were weak, needy pansy pushovers.

        I DO actually know a scant handful of men who fit my personal definition of “alpha”: two are much older, and one is my age, a male friend who is in a very happy, healthy LTR.

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      • PB is right Crumptess. You contradicted yourself.

        “I’m currently casually dating an alpha (small business owner at 33, black belt martial arts expert, muscle-bound, fierce) and yeah…the sex is great. He’s also a chauvinistic jerk most of the time. Do I want to spend the rest of my life with someone like that? Nope. Do I even want him to hang out with the rest of my friends? No thanks.”

        then you said

        “Alpha for me is: unwaveringly honest, strong, brave, wise, respectful, measured, selfless, considerate, fierce, passionate, protective.

        LOL How can you not see how your entire post is a big piece of contradiction and BS? Your whole premise was that women want to settle down with good men, yet you are on here telling everyone who you’re “casually dating and screwing” an Alpha jerk who you would never want to settle with, take around your friends – YET you’re still sleeping with him and dating him. LOL
        proved everything right about what these guys on this blog say about women. The more I read this board the less I am feeling that men are the real problem. It seems they are right. So many women are CLUELESS. If you really wanted an “alpha” with the traits you described as “unwaveringly honest, strong, brave, wise, respectful, measured, selfless, considerate, fierce, passionate, protective.” Why on earth would you be fucking “a chauvinistic jerk most of the time.”?

        You can’t clean this one up dear. Sorry. The guys on this blog are starting to make me realize its them who is not the real problem – its women.

        You see why men here are gaming women? I do now. Women are hypocritical.

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      • @ Neecy: again, you’ve missed my point. Perhaps I should have put quotation marks around my original use of “alpha” when describing the person I am dating. My bad.

        To clarify, yet again: He is alpha by *this site’s* definition ONLY. To me, he is NOT alpha, because an alpha male does not feel the need to behave like an arrogant ass. An alpha male is supremely confident in himself, and real confidence simply does not manifest as assholery. There’s no need. End of story. Chauvinistic jerkism is a sign of ego trying to assert itself and gain control, which implies a perceived sense of being OUT of control. Hardly alpha behavior.

        Again, I’m waiting for someone to tell me exactly what part of my personal definition of “alpha” actually qualifies as “beta”.

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      • CRUMP,

        Okay It seems you are not getting the issue here and you’re arguing the nuances of “alpha” to claim you didn’t contradict yourself.

        . It doesn’t matter whether you believe the guy you’re dating now is Alpha, beta, omega, gamma. The POINT is you are SCREWING/DATING HIM until you can find a nicer guy. THAT is what we are getting at. The fact is you are sleeping around giving your body to a guy you claim to loathe and who is a JERK most of the time. The point is the men on here have been saying the reason women need to be manipulated AND GAMED is b/c women like you who say one thing but do a complete opposite.

        They say women “claim” to want nice guys, but in their prime years screw losers (like the one you are with now) and then when they get used up they run to “nice guys” to settle down with them after the jerks and bad boys got the best part of you (sex). Do you understand now? Have you been reading this blog to understand its premise? If not. Please feel free to do so, so that when you try to make a point against the premise you won’t actually prove it.

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      • on August 10, 2011 at 2:18 pm driveallnight

        Damn, Neecy. Just a month or two ago your hamster would’ve rushed to Crumpy’s rescue, evidence be damned.

        You’ve come a long way, baby.

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      • I KNOW! And now I am starting to feel like a fool for doing so. Especially when a chick runs up in here full speed ready to prove you guys right. LOL

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      • Yawn. I never floundered, and therefore never needed to be rescued.

        My original post (for those who actually read and understood it) never even claimed to argue with the “premise” of this site. I agree with 85% of it; I just don’t agree with the commonly defined term of “alpha”, as given here.

        I was interested in exploring the nuances of what it actually means for a man to be “alpha” (as FINALLY picked up on by aoefe at the end of this thread).

        Again…yawn.

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      • Holy shit. Maybe more women should read and post here. Of course, crumptess is missing one essential point. The purpose of this blog, as I understand it, is to let betas in on the secret, so that they can start acting more alpha and get/keep women. Natural alphas like she’s talking about don’t need this blog. Few here advocate going full-on alpha, and most betas won’t be able to do that anyway. It’s all about self-improvement for the betas, so that they can become the kind of guy that crupetess would both fuck and stay with.

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      • “So you think that “strong, brave, fierce, protective, passionate” are adjectives that apply to betas?!?”

        See white knight.

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      • Crump,

        Why do you care about the nuances of what an alpha is? If you are not dating the kind of man you feel is most desirable as a partner and who fits your defintions of an alpha it doesn’t matter. you are not dating the kind of guy you say you really want (based on your descriptions of how you view and alpha).

        if as you say here on H’s blog an alpha is often defined as a jerk or asshole who beds women who say they want decent guys but their va jay jays say otherwise, then the point is you are sleeping with one – despite him having complete different qualities that you *say* you find desirable in a man! So it really doesn’t matter how you may agree or disagree with how the term alpha is applied here. You are sleeping with said applied alpha based on this blog.

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      • @ Neece:

        I feel you are putting waaay too much emphasis on the fact that I’m sleeping with this guy. You have stated elsewhere that you don’t believe in casual sex. That’s fine, I respect that, it’s your choice.

        I, however, do not share that view (at least not the same degree, clearly). I choose to sleep with him because, circumstantially, it’s an easy fix and it’s there and it suits my purposes. I’m not in a relationship with him, nor do I *want* to be. That may be hard for many women to comprehend, but it’s the reality for me, at this time.

        Again, you keep using terms that i have *not* used…e.g. “nice guy”, “decent guy”. You will not find those anywhere in my post. I do not want a “nice guy”, nor have I claimed otherwise. If anything, I want the “middle ground” guy, which you mentioned earlier. But as several others have pointed out…they are extremely rare. I may never find one. Big whoop. I’ll still have my freedom.

        As to why I would be interested in nuance…well, I don’t know why anyone else is here, but I’m here because I find the topic intriguing and I’m interested in discussion.

        “if as you say here on H’s blog an alpha is often defined as a jerk or asshole who beds women who say they want decent guys but their va jay jays say otherwise, then the point is you are sleeping with one – despite him having complete different qualities that you *say* you find desirable in a man! So it really doesn’t matter how you may agree or disagree with how the term alpha is applied here. You are sleeping with said applied alpha based on this blog.”

        Yes, I’m sleeping with an “alpha” as defined by this blog. I said that from the very beginning, without apology. So what? How is that even relevant? If I’d posted here a year ago, then I would have been sleeping with a beta. What’s your point, exactly?

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      • I don’t care what or who you do with your vagina. However, if i am on a blog that says women need to be manipulated and gamed and men need to start being jerks and assholes to get laid, then some female runs up in here (after I have gotten my ass kicked in here for saying “that’s not true women want respectful guys”) then yes i get pisssed off.

        I created a medley of your quotes within one post. Tell me what’s wrong with this pic?

        “we want to fuck alphas (no doubt about it) but we sure as HELL don’t want to live with them or even be around them socially.”

        “I’m currently casually dating an alpha (small business owner at 33, black belt martial arts expert, muscle-bound, fierce) and yeah…the sex is great. He’s also a chauvinistic jerk most of the time. Do I want to spend the rest of my life with someone like that? Nope.”

        “See, what nobody seems to mention very often here is…alpha males (by this site’s definition) just aren’t really much fun to be around. Nobody wants to spend time with a prick.”

        “I’m currently casually dating an alpha (small business owner at 33, black belt martial arts expert, muscle-bound, fierce) and yeah…the sex is great. He’s also a chauvinistic jerk most of the time. Do I want to spend the rest of my life with someone like that? Nope.”

        “But for intelligent, mature men who want a future with family, intimacy, and relationship…sorry, but you’re going to have to figure out a way to command your woman’s respect on the level of *character*. Which means you can’t just be a prick and treat her like worthless shit.”

        “I’m currently casually dating an alpha (small business owner at 33, black belt martial arts expert, muscle-bound, fierce) and yeah…the sex is great. He’s also a chauvinistic jerk most of the time. Do I want to spend the rest of my life with someone like that? Nope.”

        “Personally, my definition of “alpha” is incomplete without these traits. A dishonest man is a weak man. A rude, brutish man is a weak man. A disrespectful man is a weak man. An inconsiderate, selfish man is a weak man.”

        “I’m currently casually dating an alpha (small business owner at 33, black belt martial arts expert, muscle-bound, fierce) and yeah…the sex is great. He’s also a chauvinistic jerk most of the time. Do I want to spend the rest of my life with someone like that? Nope.”

        “Alpha for me is: unwaveringly honest, strong, brave, wise, respectful, measured, selfless, considerate, fierce, passionate, protective.”

        “I’m currently casually dating an alpha (small business owner at 33, black belt martial arts expert, muscle-bound, fierce) and yeah…the sex is great. He’s also a chauvinistic jerk most of the time. Do I want to spend the rest of my life with someone like that? Nope.”

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      • And yet again…you are indiscriminately blending my two very distinct definitions of “alpha”.

        Definition 1: Heartiste’s definition

        Definition 2: My definition (which, by the way, included “respectful)

        I’m not trying to be harsh, but if you can’t work within that basic principle, then I’m not sure what else there is to say.

        Does the fact that I’m sleeping with someone mean that I “want” him?!? Seriously? As a fellow woman, you’re going to go with that?

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      • Also, my whole POINT was to explore the idea of a “true alpha” being someone who does have integrity and character. Which IS what women truly want.

        And by “want” I mean…do something more than screw.

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      • on August 10, 2011 at 3:59 pm driveallnight

        Throw the towel, N. She freely admits the guy’s a chauvinist asshole who she won’t bring around her friends….but she’s fucking him anyway until she finds someone she meets The Right Guy.

        Right.

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      • Women want to marry the man you describe, not just have sex with them. This sight is dedicated to getting laid. Not getting married. You’ll not find any changing of definitions when the one that is being used here works here. And, by staying with you bf you are simply reinforcing this definition.

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      • @ Neece: “if i am on a blog that says women need to be manipulated and gamed and men need to start being jerks and assholes to get laid then some female runs up in here (after I have gotten my ass kicked in here for saying “that’s not true women want respectful guys”) then yes i get pisssed off.”

        Nothing that you or I say is going to change the reality. If these guys aren’t getting laid and then after they start being jerks and assholes they DO get laid, then clearly it is true, whether anybody likes it or not. If they are jerks and assholes and get laid even LESS…then clearly it doesn’t work for them. The proof is in the pudding, on a case by case basis.

        Anyway, I suspect that the vast majority of men on here are far too socially clumsy to pull off the advice/tips given here one way or the other. Otherwise, as Shmoe pointed out, they wouldn’t be moping around here in the first place.

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      • @ Stingray:

        Numerous posts here are dedicated to more than just getting laid. Read some archives.

        Also, I don’t have a boyfriend, nor do I want the man that I sleep with to become my boyfriend. I like my freedom, thanks. If Mr. Perfect comes along, I MIGHT settle down…until then…fine by me. If he never shows up? Also just fine by me…there’s plenty in life to enjoy without settling for second best (which is 95% of all marriages).

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      • Smokes! Neecy had an epiphany! Turning my skip filter off.

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      • “And yet again…you are indiscriminately blending my two very distinct definitions of “alpha”.

        Definition 1: Heartiste’s definition

        Definition 2: My definition (which, by the way, included “respectful)”

        OMG I NEED TYLENOL!! Ugh.
        I’m sorry last I checked “chauvinist pig jerks” were never described as “respectful”. You, YOU, CRUPTRESS stated very clearly you are CASUALLLY DATING a guy who is a chauvinist jerk most of the time. No one here is going to believe a chauvinist jerk is respectful unless that is YOUR definition. if so, just say it.
        Next it does not MATTER what your def of an alpha is vs. Heartiste’s. You are sleeping with HEARTISTE’s VERSION and not your version. You are proving the whole premise of the blog is what I am saying to you. That is? WOMEN SAY A LOT OF SHIT BUT DON’T DO IT. IOW’s women ramble on about how they want (respectful men and the descriptions of what you claimed were desirable alpha traits) but will date and screw men who don’t have those traits (i.e. you casually dating/screwing a chauvinist jerk you don’t even want around your friends or around you for ever).

        Therefore he tells his BOYS act like a dickhead, asshole and jerk if you want to get laid. Crumptress runs in here and co-signs that by telling everyone here “YES fellas/Heartiste! You are soooo right! I, crumptress am screwing a jerk although I really want a different guy to settle down with!!!!!”
        Do you see what I am saying here??????

        “Does the fact that I’m sleeping with someone mean that I “want” him?!?

        Uuuh, any woman who allows a chauvinist one minute of her time then she wants him. If you didn’t want him you wouldn’t be sleeping with him and/or “casually” dating him. PERIOD.

        “Seriously? As a fellow woman, you’re going to go with that?”

        Yes. I don’t care how tempting and hot a jerk is I don’t want him in my vaginal walls screwing up my PH balance and tilting my mental and emotional scales and sanity off balance. And I don’t want HEARTISTE to be right! Lol Any woman that says she is with a chauvinist jerk and is not bothered by it is a LIAR. You claim its “amusing” yet you also claim throughout your post no one wants to be around guys like this socially and he’s so bad you don’t want him around your friends (I know you’ll be embarressed at how he treats you THAT’S why). But Sleeping with them is okay though? You see how you help take the value of women and our word down?

        Also, I tend to like to be a woman that sticks by her word and values – if I say I want a decent respectful guy, I’m not going to SETTLE (and neither will my vagina) until I find that. So, no I’m not going with that…

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      • Semantics. I was using polite language. The man you are sleeping with, then. Point remains the same.

        And yes, you are right about the archives. But for the most part, the men are here to learn to get sex and maybe after develop it into more. And as you said to Neecy, “Nothing that you or I say is going to change the reality. If these guys aren’t getting laid and then after they start being jerks and assholes they DO get laid, then clearly it is true, whether anybody likes it or not.”

        This is the point. Integrity and character are not needed, therefore tend to be in short supply in the alpha male. Until women demand more by closing off the supply this will not change.

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      • Ummm…ok, whatever. I need Tylenol AND Advil. Point still being missed. I’ll come back when I’m happily sleeping with (with what, exactly? a beta? a non-chauvinistic alpha? my cat?), instead….since that’s obviously a prerequisite to discussion in this forum.

        Also, Neece, I have stated REPEATEDLY that Heartiste IS RIGHT about 85% percent of what he says. It’s just the reality. Sorry.

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      • LOL I need Advil, Tylenol annnnd ALEVE. We’ll just agree to disagree. However, i am starting to realize the reality here.And that unfortunate reality is – YES women in general are full of shit. THUS why men are now ramping up the assholery to get women.

        I’m just gonna stay out of the line of fire and ramp up on my cats. If that is what women respond to, that is what they’ll get. I am sure your b/f sex partner whoever will continue to be an ass and jerk b/c there is no incentive to be anything better.

        Have a great day!

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      • Neecy,

        I haven’t read everything but it seems that all what crumpetess cares about is her sexual pleasure NOW. She doesn’t care about her future. She’s not able to make her FWB boyfriend to commit to her, so she says she doesn’t even want him (Why would any woman want to have sex with a guy she doesn’t care about? Is she some new mutation?) and that she’s willing to dump him as soon as her alpha prince comes around to play beta just for her.

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      • Maya…you’re sweet and a bit naive. Read everything and observe that what I care about most is my *freedom*.

        You admitted previously that you are 25 and feeling “panicked”, and all you want is marriage and kids. You’re the prime target for the PUAs, btw.

        Not so for all of us. I’ve been there, done that (that yearning 20-something stage). I’m moving on to a life where I call the shots, and I don’t live in a fantasy fairytale where marriage is the be-all and end-all, where all my dreams come true. That’s total nonsense. Most marriages are hellish.

        If I enter into any sort of relationship in the future…it will on MY terms. I’d rather be single forever with a string of delicious lovers than attached to anything less than what I want. Freedom rules the day.

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      • crumpetess,

        “You’re the prime target for the PUAs, btw.”

        I love men who really know how to game girls (very rare skill!) so I’d be happy if I ever meet a PUA.

        “I don’t live in a fantasy fairytale where marriage is the be-all and end-all, where all my dreams come true. That’s total nonsense. Most marriages are hellish.”

        First, you have to believe that romantic love is possible. When you say it’s just a fantasy fairytale, it means you already gave up …

        “If I enter into any sort of relationship in the future…it will on MY terms. I’d rather be single forever with a string of delicious lovers than attached to anything less than what I want. Freedom rules the day.”

        Sure. Delicious lovers. You think these delicious alpha lovers will be interested to fuck you even when you will be old and not sexy anymore? Life does not end after menopause. Besides, what if you will want to be a mother in the future? Oh, you can be a single mum? Freedom rules the day. I hope you will be happy remembering all your lovers in the last half of your life.

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      • Awww. So cute. You just hang in there, hon.

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      • crumpetess,

        seriously, what are you going to do for the last 40 years of your life?

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      • Sweetpea, ten years ago I was an overly idealistic virgin, just like you. But like I said…hang in there.

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      • MAYA SAID:
        She’s not able to make her FWB boyfriend to commit to her, so she says she doesn’t even want him (Why would any woman want to have sex with a guy she doesn’t care about? Is she some new mutation?) and that she’s willing to dump him as soon as her alpha prince comes around to play beta just for her.

        NEECY:
        DING DING DING!! No woman stays with or sleeps with a man she doesn’t want. This guy is what she really wants , but he treats her poorly so she psyches herself to say she is just “using him to pass time”. What is really happening is he is using her and will never commit to her & she knows it. B/C he’s a jerk that doesn’t really care about her, s he doesn’t want him around her friends (b/c he’ll embarrass her by treating her badly) and that is the ONLY reason she is claiming she doesn’t want him around (yet still dates and sleeps with him). I’ve seen and heard the stories before. You accept what you can and hope for better. Many women do it.

        And the dick? – she’ll miss it when she meets that make believe guy she is going to dump jerk guy for. That is why its better to just leave good dick alone sometimes. You will never get over it no matter how much you tell yourself you will. A *WISE* woman saves herself and her future mate issues by just keeping it tight and holding out for the right one. Its okay to dip every once in a blue moon for a nice quick hot fling, but once you start having relationships and having jerks in your personal space, you get used to that and don’t know how to accept good when it comes along.

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      • @ Neecy: “Its okay to dip every once in a blue moon for a nice quick hot fling,”

        …which is exactly what I’m doing. That’s the definition of “casual dating”. So after all that, you came around to my point of view anyway! Now there’s some hypocrisy, eh? No problem, girl. Happens to us all.

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      • Passingby,

        you’re wrong with your whole post. She described an alpha not a beta. But why she’s casually dating a chauvinistic jerk she doesn’t want to show to her friends is a mystery to me.

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      • No, he’s spot on. You’re looking for a unicorn: an alpha male with beta tendencies. They surely exist, but they are statistically irrelevant.
        And the cultural irrelevancy of marriage (women slutting it up, just like what you’re doing), coupled with the divorce theft industry, makes it hard for them to consider commitment. It’s easier for them to thug it up and steal as many women’s prime years as possible.
        And on this blog, betas are encouraged to do the same. Since women are spreading their legs for anyone with minimal game skills, it’s better to join the orgy and see where this trend goes.

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      • Oh. Statistically irrelevant? Eww. I’ll probably die alone. But since I personally know a couple of a unicorn and a feminine girl I’ll keep believing in this ideal. If you don’t believe in the possibility of romantic love you can be sure you will never achieve it. First, you have to believe it. Don’t be so cynical and depressed. Not all women are sluts ‘spreading their legs for anyone with minimal game skills’. I could also say ‘all men are dishonest lazy losers who only want sex’, but this belief would only pull me further away from the possibility of experiencing romantic love that I want.

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      • Yes, Maya. A feminine girl with a low sex partners number, a minimal shit test level and a good screening for men’s motives can hit the jackpot.
        For men who are aware of the dynamics of the dating market and the marriage market, it’s trickier mainly because the legal system is rigged against them. That’s all, no bitterness or depression, just clear-headedness.

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      • Actually men that are unaware of the legal challenges around them are much more likely to end up in a really bad state.

        If you are cognizant of them, at least you can act accordingly and avoid the worst outcomes.

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      • spin, hamster, spin! wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

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      • Crumpetess said “Has 2-4 kids. Probably still attractive, but is SICK AND TIRED of being treated like a piece of trash by her “alpha” husband, who expects her to raise the kids, do the housework, get him a beer, put out on demand, and keep her nose out of the family finances. (Do you think I’m making this up? I swear to God, this is a real, everyday scenario for women my age in rural, “red” states.) She starts to grow her own backbone…and then she leaves.”

        Except for the very last sentence and the part about the finances, this is me. I signed up for this as did all those women that live in your rural area. I LIKE to get my husband a beer and put out on demand (the demand is the fun part), I CHOSE to take care of the kids and give them my time and all the rest of it. What makes you think these type of women have no backbone? Because they made the conscious decision to take care of their families the best they know how? Please. No backbone has nothing to do with most of us.

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      • No he does not treat me like trash, but he doesn’t put with any crap either. How many women doormats do you actually know? Or do you perceive it to be this way because of the way they take care of their husbands in a way that you find surprising? Do you actually know how they are treated when they are home and know one is around to see them?

        I know some women who think I am a doormat and ask how high when my husband says jump. It’s hysterical, actually, and sometimes I will act the part just to see them squirm. But really, how may of these women are you sure are just being kept under foot by their horrible alpha husbands? Does it still happen? Sure, but I would bet that it is far less than you think.

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      • Stingray, don’t get all defensive. I grew up in a rural state in a town of 1800 people. Yes, I know lots of women who really *were* and really *are* treated like doormats.

        On the other hand, I also know plenty of women who embrace those traditional roles, thrive in it, and love it. That’s awesome. Nothing that I said was directed at that type of situation. It all goes back to the point of my original post (which everyone is ignoring)…which is CHARACTER and INTEGRITY. If your husband has those, then you’re golden…and very lucky. Most don’t, whether in rural or urban areas.

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      • Neece,

        Appreciate your concern. However,

        1. Never claimed to loathe the guy. I don’t really care enough at this point to loathe him. I actually find his chauvinism terribly amusing, most of the time…I just would never live with it long-term.

        2. Where are you getting “nicer” guy from?!? In NO PART of my post is “nice” mentioned, in any context. In fact, I talk about wanting a real alpha. And I talk about integrity and character…is integrity the same as “nice”?!? Sure isn’t for me, but I guess we’re into semantics now, so who knows. Maybe it is for you.

        So again…as long as you keep using random terminology that *I never used*, then your replies are to what you THINK I’m saying, not to what I’m actually saying.

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      • @Stingray: does you husband treat you like trash? If the answer is “no”, then good on ya’. Nothing wrong with those choices. If the answer is “yes”, then…life may shift for you eventually.

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      • *sigh* Maybe if i type in really big caps you’ll get it.

        YOU’RE HAPPILY SLEEPING WITH A GUY YOU CLAIMED IS A JERK AND CHAUVENIST PIG. CASE CLOSED. I’m done…..

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      • Your reply is above. I hit the wrong button.

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      • Dead. Spot. On.

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      • “She daily walks past scores of guys who fit the description of her alleged unicorn, even as she claims they are nowhere”

        Her and damn near every woman out there.

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      • Crumpetess,

        Very interesting comment.

        “Do I even want him to hang out with the rest of my friends? No thanks.”

        Why not? Are you ashamed of him? Or of yourself?

        “… is SICK AND TIRED of being treated like a piece of trash by her “alpha” husband, who expects her to raise the kids, do the housework, get him a beer, put out on demand, and keep her nose out of the family finances.”

        Yes. This is as or even more disgusting as being a total beta and letting a woman walk all over him. Seems that some men still think they deserve all this service just because they are men. Similar to some bitchy, “emancipated” women who don’t care about their physical appearance at all but still expect to be treated like a princess.

        “A dishonest man is a weak man. A rude, brutish man is a weak man. A disrespectful man is a weak man.”

        True! It’s OK to be dishonest and brutish only if you are a PUA and you are careful enough that girls never find out who you really are … I’m interested how do PUA’s breakups look like, but they never write about it.

        “Alpha for me is: unwaveringly honest, strong, brave, wise, respectful, measured, selfless, considerate, fierce, passionate, protective.”

        Exactly! Only if he has those, he deserves to be an asshole.
        There’s nothing more disgusting than a dishonest or disrespectful guy.

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      • @ Maya: You’re quite right to question why I would date a chauvinistic jerk whom I don’t want to introduce to my friends. The answer is:

        1. I know that for a number of reasons there isn’t long-term potential…so why bother introducing him to the social circle?
        2. My friends tend to be people who are deeply put off by arrogant, domineering behavior. So again…why bother?

        Fear of judgment for him and me? Probably. It is what it is.

        So what am I casually dating him? Because:

        1. I have needs, and dating and sleeping with one specific person is preferable to me than dating/sleeping with many different people.
        2. Someone with real LTR potential has yet to surface.

        So really…ironically…right now I’m *settling* for this “alpha” (again, by this site’s definition…not by mine).

        @ Gilgamesh: Is any sex outside of marriage considered “slutting it up”, in your book? Just curious. I may be serially monogamous, but I do keep it to one partner at a time, even if he is a chauvinistic jerk. Always have done, always will do.

        @Gilgamesh: do tell, what part of my “alpha” description is a “beta tendency”?!?

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      • You are claiming two kinds of alpha for your own benefits.

        You CLAIM the one you are dating now is an alpha but a “chauvinistic jerk”. Then throughout your entire post you rag on about how Alpha males are not good for ltr’s. Then at the end of your post you list the traits of “alpha” you find desirable.

        The men on here can read your post and check the “see i told ya ” box. You are literally ADMITTING that you as a woman would screw a guy who treats you like shit until you find a “nice guy” to settle down with. THIS is the premise of this board. That women screw losers until they can find some poor beta guy to take you up. If you were trying to make a point to prove the men here wrong about something – you failed. You just fed right into their reasoning on why guys should not settle down later in life – they end up with the girls like you who screwed jerks until someone nice came along. SMH. Its all becoming very clear now. lol

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      • @ Neecy, you haven’t read my post very carefully.

        My whole point is that a “chauvinistic jerk” is NOT an alpha, by my definition. He’s an alpha by *this site’s* definition, which is deeply flawed.

        Please point out what part of my alpha description qualifies as “beta”. It doesn’t.

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      • “Is any sex outside of marriage considered “slutting it up”, in your book?”

        Basically yes. Casual dating is harmful to a woman’s future ability to stay faithful, especially if her husband is of lower value than her ex flings.
        The same does not apply for men. And even if it does, male infidelity is not as harmful for marriage as female infidelity (check the archives of this blog).

        “even if he is a chauvinistic jerk”

        It’s even more harmful when you keep fucking someone who cares only about fucking you.

        “unwaveringly honest, strong, brave, wise, respectful, measured, selfless, considerate, fierce, passionate, protective”

        Everything about this description is beta, except strong and fierce. It would be more clear if you said: “I want an alpha male, who just happens to be nice”. Like I said, there aren’t many of those, and they are mainly interested in nice girls who don’t screw around with jerks.
        You have to realize that men are all about sex. They work their asses of to get some, they marry to ensure that they’re gonna benefit from a steady supply of pussy.
        You are sending the message that being an arrogant jerk is enough to fuck a girl in her prime, and dump her used up ass on some poor beta chump who’s gonna take care of her. You’re confirming all this blog’s premises, and your rationalization process is very common, it’s called the hamster.

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      • I never said anything about your alpha descriptions as being “beta” I simply said they contradict the type of man you are screwing/dating now vs. the one you claim you want to settle down with. It doesn’t really matter how this blog defines alpha or beta behavior.

        The point is YOU ADMIITED to sleeping with and dating a guy who is a jerk most of the time. Then you went on about how no woman wants to settle with jerks/chavie pigs and how you’d never even take this guy around your buddies (yet you’re sleeping with him and giving him everything he wants from you).

        Then you went on to list the traits you desire in a male (although you are not with that type of male now). PERFECT case study or conclusion for the hypothesis of what they say on this board about women who screw losers until they find “beta chumps” to marry them. You laid it all out perfectly on a platter with a fork, knife, spoon and bib for them to say “see I told ya so!”

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      • Crumpetess, stop spending your time on this jerk if there’s no long-term potential! How old are you? I warn you not to wait till 25 … You’ll start to panic like I am. Stop whining about your “needs” – everyone has it (but you can resist it! You also don’t eat every cake or chocolate you see, so why can’t you resist a hot guy?!).

        “My friends tend to be people who are deeply put off by arrogant, domineering behavior. So again…why bother?”

        My friends are like that as well. I can’t wait to see them when I’ll introduce them to my future asshole boyfriend (I hope I find him soon …:S) and they will have to realize what a “intelligent” girl they think I am is willing to put up with 🙂 You should be proud to have a domineering boyfriend who’s willing to commit to you. Oh, but yours isn’t. He doesn’t love you? Or you don’t love him? I guess it’s hard to introduce your friend with benefits to your real friends. Stop being prostitute and have some self respect. And respect him, too. Or will you dump him when something better comes around? Probably he will dump you first. Just don’t wait for too long, especially if you want to marry and have kids in the future, which I guess you do.

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      • @ Gilgamesh: Huh?!? Ok, whatevs. I guess you don’t know your history too well. If you don’t think that “brave” and “protective” are alpha qualities, then pretty much every major world leader (from Alexander the Great to Henry VIII to Napoleon to Roosevelt) was a beta. Sure. Tell yourself that.

        Men are “all about sex”? What a gross oversimplification. There’s some truth to it, but it doesn’t really bear up to reality of everyday life. A more accurate generalization might be “men under 30 are all about sex”…but there are plenty of exceptions there, too. On this site I’m sure there is a much higher percentage who would fit that description.

        @ Neecy: I don’t really get your argument. Do you think that if I met a guy who fit my description of “alpha”, that I would still be dating this other guy, the pseudo-alpha? Your response seems to indicate that I’m choosing to remain involved with him, to the exclusion of other men. I’m not. While he is my only intimate partner, I’m actively seeking to date other people. When I meet someone who is an alpha by my definition, the “alpha” (but actually beta) chauvinist will be history, for someone who has genuine confidence and maturity.

        Also….what do you mean by “yet you’re sleeping with him and giving him everything he wants from you”? Haven’t I already made it clear that I’m getting what I want from HIM?!? (Which is basically…regular sex from him, while seeking a relationship elsewhere that has real potential.) Who, exactly, is using whom in this situation? Everybody wins, as far as I can tell. The chauvinist won’t care when I move on, and neither will I.

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      • Crump we’re going around in circles here. I made my point. re Read what i am really saying and how it relates to the premise of this blog and how your post just PROOOOOOVED everything the men on here have been saying as to why women need to be gamed & manipulated. That’s all I can say. I don’t know how many more ways to explain it.

        As far as your other questions. A man on my blog JUST THIS MORNING argued that women like assholes and jerks and respond to them as such. And he even brought up the premise of a “woman will take 5 minutes of alpha (jerk behavior) over 5 yrs of beta (nice guy). I ARGUED him back saying that’s not true most women want the happy medium. I am now starting to wonder if I am living in a bubble myself b/c when I read what you write about being and sleeping with a guy who is a JERK and pig, I start feeling like a fool for trying to stick up for women.

        Its obvious these things are real and true about women saying one thing while doing another. I’ve been on this blog getting my ass handed to me for trying to stick up for women by saying we all don’t live to give our bodies to losers and jerks just b/c and here you are admitting very gratefully that you do this. *sigh Time to come out of your bubble Neecy.*

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      • Neecy, I agree about the circles. I agree about the “happy medium”. I never said I wanted a “nice” guy. Nothing in any of my posts suggests that.

        I’ve been honest about the fact that I am sleeping with someone who I don’t want to settle down with because it happens to suit my needs and wants at this time (as much or more than it suits his).

        So what? That’s me calling my own shots. That’s me, at 30, doing whatever the fuck I want. I’d rather do it this way than “settle” for either this type of pseudo-alpha, OR a weakling beta. Your “happy medium” sounds great…but if it doesn’t happen? Meh. So what? A life alone with a house full of cats and a stream of virile lovers is vastly preferable to marriage hell with either of the options listed above.

        And again, I don’t loathe this lover — see my post above…it got a bit lost. I find his chauvinism and jerkism quite amusing, and basically ignore it.

        Btw, my original post was questioning how integrity and character correspond to a true alpha male. Not one SINGLE poster has responded to that.

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      • The one word summary of what Neecy is trying to say: q.e.d.

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      • Well, actually…Stingray has been the only one to touch on it. Her guy sounds like he MIGHT be an alpha with some character. Would like to hear more about that.

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      • Crumpetess,

        Yes, my husband is the man you described. A few do exist. But, I agree here with some of the other posters (I didn’t read most of them, too long) that there are more beta males with MOST of the attributes you describe only they no longer or never knew how to do the two most important to snag a woman, strong and fierce.

        The alpha males that are strong and fierce have absolutely no reason for integrity or character as they are getting what they want, sex, without those things. They only need integrity and character if those things are important to them and they strive to achieve these traits. But honestly, why work so hard at something that difficult when they are getting almost everything they want without them. You, yourself are guilty of giving your bf what he wants and not expecting more. Even if you did expect more there are SO many women out there who do not, he would just move on.

        Again, thank you feminism. Great world you left my kids.

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      • crumpetess,

        “Everybody wins, as far as I can tell. The chauvinist won’t care when I move on, and neither will I.”

        So you guys are “using” each other just to have sex? Don’t you have a heart?
        Why don’t you start to think about your future? Cats and lovers are OK, but do you really want it? Besides, you won’t have lovers anymore when you will be 60. There’s life after menopause, too. One third of female life, usually. I’m not saying it’s impossible to find love when you are old, but I believe it’s much easier now when there’s still sexual attraction.

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      • Women don’t leave men because they’re alphas. They leave because they are or become betas. Betas are providers not alphas. Beta’s get their asses handed to them by their wives and wives hate them for it. Beta’s lose alpha privilege – namely freedom in exchange for being a provider. Alpha’s who are or remain alpha’s in a marriage are not dumped. They have the leadership/upper hand and in my belief that’s what women want. Do they have to be abusive assholes to get it? Nope. I contend that a real alpha has determined from early dating days the rules and she’s fully aware and is happy to comply. Not only that women who are married to alphas know too well how marketable they are and won’t give them up. When men leave women, it’s because they’re trading up. That said the majority of men don’t trade up, they just fool around on the side, while a woman who’s married to a true blue will turn a blind eye. An alpha CAN and does love his wife, permitted that she keeps herself valuable in his eyes – and looks play a huge role in this. He can also compartmentalize better and fool around – the risk is being caught and some men have too much to risk and don’t do it for that reason alone, not because they don’t want to.

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      • @aoefe

        Interesting post, however:

        “Betas are providers not alphas.”

        Hmmm….how do you back this up biologically? The alpha male in a pack is the prime hunter, assisted by a group of beta followers, who in turn provide for the females and children of the pack.

        I think the strong male who provides for the stereotypically submissive, home-making female is a pretty major component of “alpha”.

        Seems like a lot of guys on here think that “Lothario” is what “alpha” is. That’s just not backed up by biology. If women are attracted to money, it’s because of the potential for provision on the part of the man.

        I would think that in biological terms, the playboy/Lothario would actually be more “omega”….social outlier and loner in comparison to the leader alpha and beta followers.

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      • http://girlgame.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/final-needs-tags-alpha-male-as-defined-by-a-girl/

        I defined what alpha was to me back in 09, this might be some of the conversation you’re looking for crumpetess. I think beta as a provider means someone who is willing to look after someone else’s kids. Think of all the single mom’s out there who find guys to step in as dads – providers. Alpha men will provide for their pack i.e.their family as protector, more so than provider biologically speaking.

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      • the definition of alpha in the context of this blog is ‘alpha among women’, i.e. a man who at any given moment in time has a large pool of hot women who will fuck him.

        your definition of an ‘ideal’ alpha is an an alpha among men, i.e. a leader.

        there is overlap between these two types of alpha, but they are not the same thing.

        the guy you’re fucking now might be a chauvinistic asshole, but this does not determine whether he’s alpha (among women) or not. the real determinant is: how many hot women are fucking/want to fuck him right now? if you’re the only one, then he’s not an alpha, even if you’re hot.

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      • @ Itsme:

        THANK YOU! Now we’re actually getting to the real conversation.

        Yes, I hadn’t made that particular distinction before, “alpha among women” vs. “alpha among men”. That is actually very helpful.

        I respect the “alpha among men” far more than the “alpha among women”. As this blog indicates…becoming an “alpha among women” can be achieved by any old shmuck who learns gaming techniques and has the verve to pull it off. But an “alpha among men”? Well…that’s kingly stuff, right there. Doesn’t happen every day, and usually doesn’t occur in men under 30 (35? 40?), period.

        “Alpha among women” means virtually nothing to me in terms of attractiveness, while “alpha among men” means pretty much everything.

        By your definition, I now wonder if the guy I’m sleeping with really qualifies a beta after all, for all of his outward success/status/fuckability.

        His “beta” status would sure put a new spin on the multiple rants and rages I’ve inspired on this forum today…

        Interesting.

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      • Dead wrong. An alpha does not necessarily mean the guy is a jerk. An intelligent alpha knows how to calibrate his negs and keep attraction strong with his targets, whether a same night lay or LTR.

        You are hamstering hard here, in search of your beta in shining armor.

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      • @ AlphaAnon: Huh?!? Your comment doesn’t even apply to what itsme, Aoife or I wrote regarding “alpha among men” and “alpha among women”. Relevance, please?

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      • lol….this hamster spun a web of shit.

        chances are they/you start to percieve the man as beta and so resent the alphaness of some of his behaviours. Thats very common in fact. some women like to have maximum manipulation/security power for relationships, common among average girls and girls who know they fuck out of their league.

        its just a case of women not taking responsibility for what they choose. as per usual.

        The irony is the great guy you talk about would be doing himself more of a disservice marrying you than playing the field. That doesn’t make him selfish or arrogant. What if that great guy decided you are right, he is great. Which is why hes going to meet hot women, seduce them and then marry a better woman than you? No selfish or arrogant about that, just reacting to reality. I dont see any incentive for the jerks to change either, so where are you expecting to meet these guys, in your jerk boyfriends bedroom?

        I Love it when women try to define things.

        This hypothetical great guy isn’t interested in you. Is he still a great guy?

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      • You’ll notice that they’re defining these hypothetical guys as being close to their own age. Since most guys with something going for them will be dating much younger women, and feminists have taught American and west European women that those guys don’t count as “great guys” as a result, there will be very few great guys to find.

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  17. Off-topic, but…

    Slutwalk in San Fran… women w/ sign that reads (no kidding): “It’s a man’s world– let’s f*ck it up!”

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  18. ask the fat one if she brought the movies.

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  19. Heartiste,

    How do you deal with hot, assertive women? I was recently at a very hip club and saw a hot girl, who’d I normally place way above myself; she stared at me for a short while, walked past me, did a bit of a strange ‘stretch move’ (all curves showing) and gave me the kind of look you only get when a women’s interested. I should have gone over to her, but felt insecure. Talking to such a woman would be quite hard, as an introverted regular guy it would be tough to entertain an extraverted, very irregular girl.

    That’s what’s getting in my way, a sort of feeling of inadequacy. The crowd around me was intimidating. All these champagne-drinking, sunglass-wearing, 400e shirt-sporting guidos and yups didn’t exactly help my confidence either. I see all these male competitors and can’t help but think: why me?

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  20. Ideally, you’ll know a man in the bar with low standards. Pass the fatty on to him. There’s always a guy like that. They’re often reasonably attractive, but have shit game, so this works best if you can get him to dance with the fatty.

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    • “There’s always a guy like that.”

      Just like a poker game.
      “If after 20 minutes, you don’t know who the mark is, it’s you”. LOL

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  21. orbital velocity validation

    omg lolzzllzlolzzllz!!!!!

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  22. I’ve been the fat friend, but did not behave as expected. I’m not a martyr type, so I jumped no grenades and blocked no cocks unless they were rapey and my friend was in clear distress and asked or flailed for assistance.

    I’m usually the cool, interesting one who fears no man and starts and/or engages conversation easily. Once the guys are hooked, and the girls are noticing the guys who would otherwise be trying to figure out how to open, I get lost because I’m usually fixed. So I’m just passing the time until I get the one word SMS.

    I’m actually trying to help the men in that situation. I know my hot friends are all going to get older someday, and they have a better chance of a real relationship with the guys who maybe don’t have such great game. I like to be an ice breaker, not a cock blocker.

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    • I’m usually the cool, interesting one who fears no man and starts and/or engages conversation easily.//
      hahahaha as if any guy is dying to talk to you! r u mad

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    • bringdamovies?

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      • As long as you don’t expect me to stay with you two all night watching them. I’m not the damned chaperone.

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      • I meant, is that the contents of your one-word SMS.

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      • No. It was usually the number of minutes I have to get by butt home, or if he was feeling sentimental, I’d get “miss” (for I miss you). Then sometimes it was a misanthropic “apes” or “sheep” referring to whose presence he was enduring at the moment, to which I’d understand to respond with an ETA or how long it’s going to take me to be ready.

        The current boyfriend is in a different situation, but similarly short on electronic communication. I like guys who are low on b.s.

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  23. I’ll take the contrarian position here with my opinion: avoid them both.

    I’m a fatist — I don’t want to be around fat people. I also don’t want to be around degenerate drunks, either, but some people are just addicted to carbs.

    Still, I don’t want my dick within 2 feet of any hot girl who is callous enough to use her ugly-fat friend as bait or as a shield. On the rare occasion I have spent ANY amount of time with the ugly-hot two set, it’s only been when THEY opened ME, and then only if the hot one was the one who approached me.

    Hot women aren’t enough, not even for casual sex. In the cities I spend most of my time in, the hot women far out-number the alpha males. As such, we get to pretty much shun the worst batches of hotties out there. Sure, there aren’t a lot of 9s or 10s everywhere, but they’re out of the game entirely if they’re playing the role of the ugly-fat protector-destroyer.

    I was in court today, and more than half the lawyers were women, at least 2 of them were hot. Still, I hate lawyers. On the other side of the room were those in court for their crimes. There were 2 really hot gals there. THAT is a great place to open a gal — and zero chance she’ll show up with her shield.

    You can have your bar skeezes, they don’t look very good in the light. Me? I think I’ll continue this case as long as the judge lets me — this is the second time in 60 days where there was a decent selection of cute spinners waiting for their judgment, and the shields are way down.

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    • …and what if the fat chick is a relative or mentor or friend, and strikes up a conversation with you with the intention of helping you break through the hot chick’s anti slut defense or beta shield?

      You children should really learn how alpha males truly operate. They attract all women and then pick and choose from among their fans. They don’t repel the majority of the women and then expect to somehow miraculously be attractive to the hot.

      Gotta walk before you can run, padawan. Nobody wants a guy who can’t even charm a fatty.

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      • as usual skip the posts written by women. They’re not here to help.

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      • Okay, so ignore or be rude to every overweight woman you encounter, because you think acting spastic makes you more attractive.

        It’s not like you’ll be missed.

        See, the problem with looking down your nose at others is that you could be wrong about your value in relation to theirs. Sexual market value and social value are related, but they are not the same thing.

        Here online, you can make like we’re on the same level, but I promise you that few people on this Earth can walk into a place not knowing a soul and come out like I do within a few minutes of arrival. Working a crowd has never been my problem.

        If it is a problem for you, then you’d be advised to listen to someone more experienced.

        …or stay in the background like a pageant runner up just because some people are fat and standing next to some people who are skinny. Maybe the Pussy Fairy will magically drop a hot chick on your dick.

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      • never a good idea to be rude to anyone, particularly some poor innocent fattier.
        but seriously, Atkins? weight training? discipline? fat girls are just not sexually appealing. sorry, buy its true.
        I work pretty hard to keep my shit together – good job, weight training, tons of school – and I have zero desire to be with someone lazier than me.
        hotties with warpigs are not appealing to me either. I see no advantage to myself to go after a woman who cruelly uses some poor tubby as a lackey.

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      • Who gives a crap about sexually appealing in a club situation? No fat chick except maybe stupid young virgins are actually out at a club or pub looking for a dick. Her hot friend may think she’s getting her friend some, but that’s only because the fat chick is hiding something from her.

        If you see a fat girl with a pretty face, and she’s not extremely religious, someone is shagging her.

        No…no…don’t argue. Someone is shagging that girl.

        Her pained expression is because she doesn’t want to be there because it’s too loud, and she might miss her one word SMS. She had to shave before she went out because she probably won’t have time to do anything but get her big butt home or to his place. So she’s wincing because she’s chafing.

        A fat chick not getting a dicking on the regular is like…a bald guy not owning any hats. If a guy is bald, he has a hat in the car, and a few hats at home of different types so he knows he has a hat that will go with anything.

        Fat girls make sure to have a dick. We know we’re at a kind of disadvantage in shopping options, so we stock up. So you don’t have to worry about the fat girl except socially. Dickly, 99 out of 100, she’s fixed.

        So play the social game with the fattie, and unless she’s crazy or something, she’ll help you get the hottie so she doesn’t miss the midnight dinner bell (that sounds strangely like Lil’ Wayne _Lollipop_).

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      • “and I have zero desire to be with someone lazier than me”

        You can keep fighting about whatever that is you’re fighting about, and yeah fatness is a good proxy for laziness (been there…).
        But, even if i don’t really fancy fatties for sex, I find low energy borderline lazy chicks to be somehow attractive, at least LTR-wise.
        High energy type-A girls can be fun, but they are high infidelity risk. Cuckolding is not a small issue, so i keep wondering why so many guys follow the hype and dig hyperactive chicks for LTRs. A good mother, assuming that’s the figure that all men are after for LTRs, doesn’t need an overflowing energy state. That seems more adapted for hitting clubs and slutting it up, ie for future catlady spinsters.

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      • Gilgamesh, if you go by a milder way of opposites attracting, beta types (which is most guys) are going to naturally be more attracted to the physically more dominant type of women. In female terms, that’s long legs, broader shoulders, perky boobs, and high energy.

        By the same, if these guys on the more feminine side of male but not Gay, can be intellectually/emotionally dominant, they can fairly easily get those kinds of girls. They are stable guys who are a low risk for unseating the princess from her socioeconomic throne.

        Only today, with so much “freedom” do the dominant bodied women have the ability to cheat so much. If a guy is really emotionally dominant though, he can counter that by being patently patriarchal, and getting her before she jumps on the cock carousel.

        If she’s over 20 or so, he may have to kind of treat her like a recovering slut because she may well be, just with fairly low numbers up until the age of 22 or so. He has to take on the role of the superior and make her believe it.

        I’ve seen a few guys do it. In Utah, one of my classmates’ dad was like that, and his mom was a kind of slim Norse looking woman. She was definitely high energy, and a great mom, and by all accounts, is still a great wife.

        I think part of his trick was them running a kind of small farm. They had a few sheep, and she was always busy. The other moms around were church going, rounder, feminine types. So he regulated her social group in a way too.

        I don’t know if he did this consciously, but he did it well.

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      • “Maybe the Pussy Fairy will magically drop a hot chick on your dick.”

        Damn, that’s funny!

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      • “…and what if the fat chick is a relative or mentor or friend, and strikes up a conversation with you with the intention of helping you break through the hot chick’s anti slut defense or beta shield?”

        And how often does that happen?
        Honestly.
        On planet earth.

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      • Every time I go out with my girls. I’m positive that I am not the only bubbly, charismatic fat chick on the planet though.

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      • The probability of that happening is exceedingly small, so in reality no loss whatsoever.

        Also, ignoring them is not repelling them.

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      • There’s a difference between being sexually indifferent to someone and going overboard because you’re hypersensitive to their presence.

        You’d do well to learn it.

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    • I’m curious, why are you a fatist?

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      • Do you like fat guys?

        Fatist as in sexist.

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      • Yeah, fat guys are really hot.
        But it’s one thing not to date fat women, it’s another to want to avoid their presence. Sounds a bit impractical to me, but not something I have a problem with.

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      • some guys are genuinely grossed out by fat women. not in a ‘that’s unattractive and unhealthy’ way, but in a visceral, bile in my throat, i’m gonna hurl kind of way.

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      • Yeah, and some people are genuinely grossed out by acne in a visceral, bile in my throat, I’m gonna hurl kind of way.

        In a civil society, one sucks it up and gets on with their life because there are better things to get worked up about like paying taxes to a government that hates you for being born with a penis.

        A guy getting actually grossed out and having a hissy fit because a woman is fat has his priorities in the disgust department a little screwed up. One would not be wrong to think of such a person as childish and socially retarded.

        Nobody is holding a gun to their head saying they have to screw a fat chick, but since the same guys are almost invariably shagging or trying to shag men with vaginas, it does lead one to wonder why it’s okay to glorify one brand of ugly over another. I mean, if you’re not disgusted by masculine, dirty, rude skank under the clinical obesity mark, why would you be disgusted by the same over it, or better yet, women who are clean and decent and perhaps over 30 of 40 who just have good skin?

        Again, I don’t fault anyone their preferences, but I don’t trust the brainwashed to gauge my global SMV. I don’t see why your obsession has to be my emergency. I’m not trying to shag the sheep.

        …and truth be told, I don’t think any woman is. It’s why we instinctively view some antisocial behavior as attractive. We’re aiming for as close to the top of the food chain as we can get, not the low people socially enforcing standards and rules that the top rung does not live by and gives not a whit about except when it is convenient to shepherd the underlings.

        You have no chance of influencing a culture unless or until you achieve a high enough status within it. See how far you get influencing anyone acting like a hysterical girl who saw a spider around fat chicks.

        Then look how much good has been done for fitness and fitness culture by people who actively help fat chicks and sometimes even shag them.

        You can be the nobody everyone thinks is a loser wanking to oiled cyborgs who should have stopped showing cleavage 10 years ago, and cursing normal or other ugly but at least not synthetic women for not looking like that, or you can be the somebody who actually helps people improve themselves. Your call.

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      • Some people hate bugz, some hate snakes, some hate rodents, some hate fatsos in the same way.

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      • So long as you don’t get butthurt when you’re on the wrong side of someone’s hissy fit, at least you couldn’t be called a hypocrite.

        Oh snap, you’re on a PUA blog. Apparently, women’s disdain for the beta bothers you. You don’t feel okay with being classed as low status because you’re not at the top of the food chain, so you’re working on your delivery in order to maximize your options within your circumstances and skill set.

        When women have a hysterical reaction to your presence and freak out and show disgust because all you want to do is maybe shag them at the most, what does this do for your perception of them?

        Let me guess: you think they’re nuts and a little too full of themselves.

        People can’t be blamed for what they’re attracted or not attracted to, but there are limits to what is an appropriate reaction to someone you find sexually unappealing. Hissy fits are just not cool. No matter how you try to twist it, they are the exclusive domain of the uncool.

        Girls can get away with it to some degree because we’re very social and socially dependent for the most part. Men ought to be above all that ewing and pointing or silent treatment games. It is even below Gay.

        When I’m dealing with people in just about any given situation here in Israel, I’m seeing a big fish in small pond situation. Most of these lameoid wiggers and posers have no clue of the greater world and wear dreadlocks like trailer trash trying to play a geisha. Most of them don’t even know what to say when they see me or even a White guy who’s like full lion of some flavor. They try to avoid looking us in the eye because they know they look like posers standing next to one of us.

        Yet we mix or sing or drum or dance or do whatever we do being engaging and inclusive because we know we have no chance of educating people or spreading any of the joy being uppity cunts.

        Fitness is kinda the same, and really closely related to various forms of “natty” culture. If all the fit people are unable to relate to anyone else, nobody is interested, and you geek yourself. Granted, there are alphas in communities of geeks, but I wouldn’t bank my cool factor or alpha cred on my ability to create lateral distance between myself and others. If I’m going that way, I don’t merely want to set myself apart. I want to be the umbrella of warmth, validation, and belonging. In that case, I want people to feel safer under me than beside me. Nobody feels safe under you if you behave like a weakling who can’t handle life.

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      • yes nicole, the fatists here really go into hysterics (‘hissy fits’ as you call them) in real life when they see a fat girl.

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      • Well… I’d have to agree with Nicole, treating people with some civility would be good, even if their appearance repulses you. But it sounds like something that would cause the repulsed person more stress than to fat people that repulse that person, so it doesn’t bother me all that much. Fat people are too numeous to avoid. There will always be people who will react with disgust when they see you, no matter what flaw you have (obesity, acne, minor or major deformities, tattoos/cuts, etc.), so it’s best to develop thicker skin and enjoy your life regardless. And people repulsed by flaws would do good to build up some tolerance to seeing them, since ugliness is a part of life. It would make you a better person, too.

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  24. what happened to the banner at the top of this blog? where is it?

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  25. You can’t run jealousy routines on a hottie with an ugly friend. Ain’t no way the hottie will believe you’re more interested in the ugly than in she. You will blow yourself out of the water.

    Best way to go about it is to act rather unimpressed with both of them. Treat the hotter one as only slightly hotter than the ugly. She will freak.

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  26. I have a bit different take on this…. Once at a piano bar, there was a group of 7’s, and one 9. I ended up hitting it off very nicely with one of the 7’s (I would have been about an 8 back then, somewhat beta – except when I was hammered, when I became alpha or asshole – your pick) Shots, plenty of singing – after 30 min had my arm around her waist etc etc. The 9 comes up and tells me I need to leave. I look at the 7 who says nothing. I told 9 “No, we are having fun”. She puts her hand over my mouth and tells me to quit talking. I politely remove her hand and say “Do that again and I will bite your finger off” – in a sweet, condesending yet serious tone. She did it again and I clamped down on the fleshy part between the second and third knuckle till my teeth met. The look on her face was priceless!

    Point is, 9 could not take NOT being the center of attention. I am not saying go slumming on the fug, but it can be great sport to ignore those pompous girls, instead concentrating on one 1 or 2 levels below you – less work, more appreciative, and giving the HB the finger.

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  27. off subject but I was wondering what you guys take is on my debate with the oh so lovely ladies here: http://www.sassymarmalade.com/2011/08/who-are-good-guys.html

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    • Without even clicking the link…

      If you seriously debated them, then you lost.

      If you had some un-serious fun ribbing them while maintaining frame and deftly parrying attempts to rile you with witty tongue-in-cheek ripostes, then you won.

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    • Probably a waste of your time, I had a few laughs though.

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  28. Marcus,

    you dropped knowledge !. Fantastic.

    However, you must remember that women on the chain of being are higher than children, but lower than men. Never argue with those lower on the chain of being. They simply lack the faculty to understand.

    Everything you said was correct and reasonable. The women – especially “sassy” refused to hear it because they are indoctrinated with “Sex and the City” fantasies – that they are so fabulous simply because they have vaginas and have a job. – Typical American Women that no man should go near.

    So, good job, but save your time. Don’t argue with females. not worth it really.

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  29. Maaaan did this post hit close to home. LOL Been there done that (as the fat friend – although when guys talked to me they were genuinly just having friendly convo with me b/c I am very bubbly and social). Guys, never fake interest in the fat friend she already knows you’re only engaging her to get to her hot friend. It’s a waste of time.

    I find really attractive girls who go out with ugly or fat friends are doing it so they can stand out. They are happy as long as you are fat or ugly. The minute one of those starts changing the fit hits the sham. They have major issues in being around women equally as attractive or better looking b/c of the competition. Pure ego.

    IMO People should always be around others within the same attractiveness level. Less drama and issues.

    Suddenly when the fat friend with a cute face decides to start losing weight & starts seeing more and more of her waistline and starts looking good, the hot friends stop calling for you to go out with them when they see you are actually getting attention from attractive men. OR suddenly they start being reaaaal condescending towards the fatty losing weight to *keep you in your place* (they don’t want you getting too small for your bridges).

    My fav is when they know a guy is really attractive and instead of talking to them he is trying to holler at the former fatty or former ugly or the almost there hottie friend, they’ll start finding negative things to say about him like “omg he is probably a player you shouldn’t talk to him. He looks like a jerk.” Blah blah blah. LOL. Phony biatches!

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  30. Sounds like me and my best friend as teenagers :D. She had a great figure and looked good, while I looked like a scary little boy… Guys hit on both of us, but it was obvious who they were really interested in. It didn’t bother me though.

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  31. Maan did this post hit close to home. LOL Been there done that (as the fat friend). never fake interest in the fat friend she already knows you’re only engaging her to get to her hot friend. It’s a waste of time.

    I find really attractive girls who go out with ugly or fat friends are doing it so they can stand out. They are happy as long as you are fat or ugly. The minute one of those starts changing the fit hits the sham. They have major issues in being around women equally as attractive or better looking b/c of the competition. Pure ego.

    IMO People should always be around others within the same attractiveness level. Less drama and issues.

    Suddenly when the fat friend with a cute face decides to start losing weight & starts seeing more and more of her waistline and starts looking good, the hot friends stop calling for you to go out with them when they see you are actually getting attention from attractive men. OR suddenly they start being reaaaal condescending towards the fatty losing weight to *keep you in your place* (they don’t want you getting too small for your bridges).

    My fav is when they know a guy is really attractive and instead of talking to them he is trying to holler at the former fatty or former ugly or the almost there hottie friend, they’ll start finding negative things to say about him like “omg he is probably a player you shouldn’t talk to him. He looks like a jerk.” Blah blah blah. LOL. Phony biatches!

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    • So Neecy, when you were the fat girl with the pretty face, were you:

      a. fixed on a weekday
      b. eyeing your cell phone
      c. looking over your shoulder
      d. actually looking to get with someone at the club

      :: ducks ::

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      • on August 10, 2011 at 7:04 am Anonymous Jew

        Unfortunately, Nicole and Neecy, you may be honest enough to admit to being fat, but neither of you have anything close to a pretty face.

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      • In real life that wouldn’t be a neg but an insult. It would, of course, kill your chances with their friends and any female within earshot, etc. I understand that this forum does not count as a place to practice gaming women (in fact, it would be a mistake to do that) and it’s great not to see men seeking the validation of female commenters in this forum (there are one or two who do that here and brag about it), but I don’t see it ever necessary, online of off, to tell a woman over 30 that you specifically find her unattractive. In any argument, simply stating that most of her peers have hit the wall is way more than enough, and the argument would have to be over something relevant like her trying to shame you for dating younger women (which neither Nicole or Neecy ever do here).

        If this were another kind of blog and you were thinking of going to Israel, Nicole would be a great contact/wing for you near the beach in a great town.

        I won’t even take part in commenting on Rebecca Watson’s personal appearance, although in her case, that would be relevant when explaining to her why she got so upset that a dork tried to pick her up in an elevator.

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      • Women don’t get to decide what men are and aren’t attracted to. Don’t hate a player…

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      • Neither Nicole (why duck lol)?. i actually only had one “friend” (she is no longer ironically after I started losing weight) who would pull the “hey I really want to try this club just go with me plz b/c my roomate doesn’t feel up to it” bit. However, when I did go, I always found someone to chat with at the bar (even if they weren’t trying to hook up) or dance with. So it wasn’t all that bad. Any other time I went/go to a club it was for only special occassions (like a group of us went for a friends b day) or when I go to Vegas.

        Honestly, I’ve never really did the club or bar scene (unless its happy hour)- just not my kind of place. I prefer venues and spots where small local bands or just bands play, lounges with bands etc. In those places people are not just there for hook ups but a cool crowd that likes to mingle and enjoy similar tastes in music. If you do click or connect with someone its really by coincidence and not b/c they came there to “hook up”. I noticed the previous attractive friend that always used to drag me to clubs, never liked these venues for some reason. Hmmmm

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      • Neecy, that doesn’t really answer the question of what your bedicked status was when you were the fat girl with the pretty face. I know you were getting some, which is one of the reasons why you weren’t looking for any at the club.

        No woman who is not getting any love or a reasonable facsimile goes out thinking, “I would not get with anyone even if he was the sexiest man on Earth because the building offends me,” or something. You had some in the refrigerator.

        My question was along the lines of whether yours tended to keep you on a looser or tighter leash. I’m always curious about the experiences of other fat women, especially those recovering like myself.

        At some point, I’m going to make a series of blog posts about recovery for women who started out really really big like I did instead of skinny girls who just think they’re fat because they’re adults now.

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      • Oops sorry Nic I guess i didn’t really understand what you were asking.

        I don’t believe in casual sex. But if you are asking if I *could* have had some d!ck oh hell yeah. I did sleep with a guy at work once and this mofo was FIONE. I’m sure he would have never gone out on a date with me in public, but I didn’t give a damn. There is one time in woman’s life where she should just go for it, pride, self respect, dignity fat rolls be damned! LOL No one would *EVER* believe me if I told them I screwed him – NO ONE.

        But I understand what you’re getting at. Some men simply don’t want to acknowledge that fat / overweight women can get laid by decent looking guys. Now whether the guy sticks around, performs well etc. takes her out in public, is a whole other question. I watched my also former fatty friend screw some pretty attractive guys in Vegas and on cruises and from her job. I would sit and wonder myself how she’d pull these guys. The fact is (1) Some men are completely grossed out by fat women and would never touch one with a ten ft pole (2) Some men will if they get horny enough (3) Others do it on a case by case basis.

        But at any given time now or then, yes, I could get sex or have some dicked iced away for when I need it. I just avoided it b/c I was really uncomfy with my body and grossed out by it as well as too much pride to be someone’s piece of ass for the night. Now, I avoid it b/c I simply don’t believe in casual sex. I have always only wanted to sleep with guys I like and connected with or was in a relationship with.

        PS hit me up when you start writing those blog posts on the weight thing. I’d love to read them!

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      • I didn’t encounter guys who didn’t want to be seen with me who were slick enough to actually get me into bed until I came to Israel. Even then, it was just one and it was only in Haifa because this is where his parents live.

        Honestly, I think fat chicks often choose guys who don’t want to be seen with them on purpose. Then again, I could be biased due to being a bit spoiled.

        If it’s not on purpose then some women truly do hate themselves. I don’t think being fat alone justifies such self hatred.

        Still, back to the point, once the pleasantries have been exchanged, we do tend to get down to business. Awhile back someone, I forget who, posted that fat was a sign of low self control that could extend beyond food. Someone who enjoyed the sensual pleasure of food with a level of abandon that would make her fat, may also be sexually voracious, and perhaps an infidelity risk.

        I had to think about that. I do start getting depressed if it has been awhile. I don’t know if other women feel it that intensely. I wouldn’t say I’m addicted to sex, but at around the six month mark, I’m feeling it.

        Then too, there is the time is money issue. Most fat chicks are not pampered princesses. We’re mostly blue collar girls or from that kind of background, so there really is no point in holding out for something better. Once we find a guy we get along with and makes us tingle, we’re fixed. No need for going out to find something we already have.

        The chicks at the club every week are there because they haven’t found whatever it is they were looking for. When you have, there’s just no point in going except really to dance and have a good time with friends…or be the wingwoman…or because someone we’re close to owns the place.

        I think guys who don’t date fat chicks make a lot of assumptions about what goes on in our lives. I have no idea where they get their information from except selective statistics and the misbehavior of some uneducated ghetto people…like a bookish softie or well raised rural girl is somehow in the same league as the spandex sausage with a purple hairweave.

        I get the feeling some of these dudes don’t get out much.

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      • Nicole, i think fat women vary in nature.
        Even at my fattest I never felt *completely* unattractive. Many guys were receptive to me b/c maybe at that time I didn’t care about being attractive to anyone? But I still went through the motions of making myself up? Who knows. That is why I know if a woman can still be somewhat attractive to *some* men while fat, the world is her oyster when she is thinner. But its easy to become complacent just by any kind of male attention.

        Every woman is different. i’m okay without sex for long periods of time (despite extreme periods of uncontrollable horniness lol) b/c I understand my emotional and mental scales need to stay balanced – for me casual sex is a slippery slope – I get attached – PERIOD – that’s just me. I don’t want to attach myself to the wrong man and fall backwards. Engaging in casual sex too often would kill me mentally and emotionally. Whereas for you, it would fall off your back.

        I have fat friends who choose to understand it for what it is and sleep with a guy who is receptive to them whenever possible. I can’t do it. Plus I feel as long as they are getting sex and *some* attention, they deep down believe they don’t need to change their weight. I think its causes complacency.

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      • Hold on…What do you mean by “casual” sex?

        I don’t have casual sex either. I was just never hung up on paperwork, and let the man decide when it’s time.

        If I don’t like the deal he’s offering, I just don’t take it. I don’t do FWB or dirty secrets. I also don’t do or support slavery though. A guy being legally married isn’t going to phase me so long as they have an arrangement. That’s an over 40 thing.

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    • There are those times when the girl friend decides to cut her hair a little short. Whenever that happens, listen for the “cute haircut” comments from women, and they only come from women. Women love it when other women hobble their attractive qualities.

      Cutting hair is an excellent way to imply disease, louse infestation, starvation or any other such signal that she will have the stink of a vermifuge on her breath. The sickly looking competition looks so “cute” when they can’t steal the man they are interested in.

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  32. Get a patsie wingman, pawn him off on the fug

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    • Yup. I’m not surprised none of the other keyboard jockeys here pointed out the obvious.

      A wingman is the best way to deal with these combo’s, but the wingman has to be prepared to take a grenade.

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  33. Women walking through a bar or club holding hands should be taken as a red flag alert that you are dealing with retards, no matter how hot looking they may be.

    My advice is to ignore these silly bitches and not waste your time with them. They are invariably just out for attention and you tend to find them circling the given venue over and over.

    Sometime ago I saw two very hot looking tall young blondes doing the hand in hand thing through a large busy venue, the second time they passed while within earshot, I commented to my friends… “It’s so cute that they found each other”

    My advice to all men is to ignore this chicks hand in hand nonsense and even to treat it with distain.

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    • “Women walking through a bar or club holding hands should be taken as a red flag alert that you are dealing with retards …”

      Jealous? You can find a girlfriend yourself and hold hands with her, too.

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      • Maya, the fact that you and your female cohorts can post such juvenile rubbish leads me to believe that Roissy is no longer in charge of this blog.

        By the way, has there been any explanation as to the change to “Chateau Heartiste” ?

        Where is Roissy? On holidays? Sold out? Went off and got himself married?

        This blog is coming perilously close to Jumping the Shark.

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      • No Maya, it’s not jealousy. Any woman who is old enough to date not be acting like she is twelve and need the security of holding another woman’s hand. She comes across as silly and flighty. Having a friend there is one thing. Acting like an immature little girl is another.

        If you don’t want to get lost in the crowd, hold onto the back of her shirt or something.

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      • It’s pretty immature, yes. (But I couldn’t comprehend it, because in my head I’m still 13 and I see the world that way …)

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      • You would do well to do your best not to see the world that way any more, especially since you are trying to find a good man. He will not tolerate flights of fancy. It’s annoying. Work on the womanly stuff, cooking, cleaning, clean makeup techniques and elegant dress. Also, find a woman who takes very good care of her man and ask her to teach you how she does it. I understand you live in a very feminized country, but you might be able to find an older woman who still knows how to do this.

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      • Oh, I haven’t seen your reply here. Thanks for advice. I always loved to clean, cook and dress elegantly, it’s just that I thought this is kind of shameful – like wanting to be a housewife, “inferior” to your man etc.
        Now I’ve realized that this is all I want (but I’ll have to make a compromise with my very demanding future job …). Hope it works out.

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      • This is honestly why i hate the club scene. A bunch of flighty people who do silly stuff…

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      • Damn, I must still be some immature little girl. Fuck. It’s really annoying, but I can’t get rid of my childishness. I also still treat my female friends like we were in elementary school. Fortunately, I can deal with my life quite OK, it’s just the emotional part where I can’t grow up. I want to find an older husband to finally feel safe and loved. I’m so pathetic :S

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      • “It’s really annoying, but I can’t get rid of my childishness. I also still treat my female friends like we were in elementary school. ”

        Start expanding your circle a bit. Are there no female co workers you can hang out with who are a bit more mature and level headed? Its okay to be flighty every once in awhile (keeps you bubbly), but too much of it gets annoying after awhile no matter how attractive the female is.

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      • Well, I know. I only treat my closest friends like that – they are annoyed, yes 😛 – and only recently! I’ve never been like that before … I mean, I was – but was afraid to show this side – I was a Feminist since elementary school.

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      • Sounds like you are trying to overcompensate for being a former femmie. Its okay just reel it in a bit. The opposite of being a femmie doesn’t have to be too silly or immature as to not be threatening.

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  34. It’s easy to laugh when you AREN’T the ‘fug’. It’s easy to criticise when you WERE born with decent genetics. If a person has the potential to improve their appearance, then perhaps your jeering is vaguely, somewhat justified- but if they haven’t got a way to improve? If they just happen to have a less-than-attractive face and need to spend the thousands they need for cosmetic surgery on like, uh, FOOD and RENT? What then?

    It’s like laughing at someone with a disability they were born with. You wouldn’t be laughing anymore if you had, say, acid thrown in your face like Katie Piper and were disfigured for life. Because then it’d be YOU suffering, and suddenly, it’s not so easy to laugh anymore.

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  35. You can’t get the hottie until you appease the nottie.

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  36. Maya is a troll in my opinion, I’m not even sure she’s a woman. I know I’ll take heat for this comment, but I honestly believe it.

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    • Hi aoefe 🙂 I don’t mind if you think I’m a troll or a man. I guess we can still communicate despite all this.

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    • From analysis of Maya’s text.

      Genre: Informal
      Female = 1804
      Male = 1614
      Difference = -190; 47.22%
      Verdict: Weak FEMALE

      Weak emphasis could indicate European.

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      • I could be wrong, It’s happened once before, but then I only thought I was wrong. 😉

        It’s more about the types of comments, some lucid, some thoughtless, almost seeking flame back. Mind you that almost makes the case for she’s a woman. haha.

        And hey this site is troll heaven, so what am I talking about anyway. Must eat breakfast or I get grumpy apparently.

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      • aeofebuttox,

        It will be your honor and goal to…….(wait for it, wait for it)……

        Detox my Buttox.

        -GB

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      • aoefe,

        Maya is not a troll. She’s a confused goofball of a girl that was brought up in the lefty “feminist” sewer of some formerly great European country and her indoctrination in all sorts of bullshit brings her to the edge of psychosis.

        She’s that girl who was “raped” as a “child” and that’ll be her entire worthless identity until she dispenses with self-pity.

        But not a troll. The “cunttress” upthread is the real feminist McCoy and troll as hell.

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      • Maya is not a troll. She’s a confused goofball of a girl who had the bad luck to be raised in the lefty feminist shithole of some formerly great European country and the indoctrination has done its work.

        She’s one of the girls we all know who was “abused” as a “child” and until she learns to dispense with self-pity she will remain a child.

        But she’s no troll.

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      • What means ‘weak’ to you? I’m European, yes, but how are we ‘weak’ I don’t know …

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      • In common American view, Europeans are all socialists, lazy and what have you…. I have given up on trying to fix their view of the world…

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  37. The declining cigarette smoking rate appears to be mirrored by a rising obesity rate. Related or a coincidence?

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  38. “Hi aoefe 🙂 I don’t mind if you think I’m a troll or a man. I guess we can still communicate despite all this.”

    “What means ‘weak’ to you? I’m European, yes, but how are we ‘weak’ I don’t know …”

    Okay how come some of Maya’s comments have an accent and some don’t?

    “what MEANS weak etc etc”, you can see European language struggle right? But in top comment has no issue with writing, “I don’t mind if you think…we can still communicate despite all this”

    So hmmmm…spidey sense is still tingling peeps.

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    • Wow. Interesting. I’m not even aware of all this. What do you mean exactly?

      (I realized that saying ‘what means something’ is not really correct, but what’s wrong – or right – with the other sentence?)

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      • Nothing’s wrong with the other sentence which is the point. I simply find your style and some of your comments contradictory. Intelligent and then silly or inflammatory etc. I guess I’m publicly stating I’m in question of your persona. That’s all.

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      • Are you or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?

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      • :))) yeah

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      • You’re pulling our leg, right?

        If that’s true, it bespeaks of your insanity.

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      • Damn, I should have a life … I’m spending way too much time on this blog. But can’t resist to comment back to everything :S

        Caddy, what do you mean?

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      • Yes you have been/are a member of Communist Party?

        I mean without the state forcing you, voluntarily?

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      • Communism = everybody in societ is equal; everybody gets a fair share; everybody contributes.

        Please, oh please dear lord, tell me what is wrong with such an idea.

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      • Anon, get 10 of your closest friends together for a month and give communism a shot just between the 10 of you. Then you come back here and report how well everyone contributed their fair share for what is supposedly owed them.

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      • Anon: Everything

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      • Caddy, check the calendar, please.

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  39. Group hugs, girls!

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  40. That’s when having at least one socially inept acquaintance comes to great use. What a fantastic resource he is. First you neg the hot one by trying to “set him up” with hot girl, with the subtle but deniable downgrade, but also creates cover against her little buddy for bait and switch. I don’t know if it would really help you get laid or not, but I think a guy who knows how to have all kinds of fun usually does.

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  41. I politely remove her hand and say “Do that again and I will bite your finger off” – in a sweet, condesending yet serious tone. She did it again and I clamped down on the fleshy part between the second and third knuckle till my teeth met. The look on her face was priceless!

    Uhhhh … what?

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  42. crunktress wrote:

    nor do I want the man that I sleep with to become my boyfriend

    epic!

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    • Amazing, isn’t it? 😛 She might have her limbic cortex transplanted from some man. Crunktress, any brain surgery in the past?

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      • she might be high-t.

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      • I am high-T. Bonified. I can detach very easily, when I want to. Just a fact.

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      • Bone-ified is right. What you are is a lying feminist harridan hypocrite cocksucker and it was a pleasure to read Neccy’s evisceration of your evasions.

        Detach from that, bitch.

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      • Oooh…guess you showed ME! Wow, do I feel chastened.

        So it’s hypocritical to say that I AGREE with this website…OK, dumbass. You’re too funny. Do you agree with this website? Then I guess, by your nonsensical definition, you are a hypocrite as well.

        Average beta IQ around here: < 90

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    • Maya…any new Barbie and Ken sets recently?

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      • Sorry for this comment, was really bitchy. But I really don’t understand how a woman can have sex with a man she doesn’t care about?

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      • She needs or wants something from him.

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      • Money, maybe?

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      • Reminds me of n anecdote when Churchill asked some lady if she’d sleep with him for million quids.

        Lady: “Yes”.

        Churchill: “What about 50 quids”?

        Lady: “What kind of woman you think I am”?

        Churchill: “That has been already established, now we’re haggling over the price”.

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      • depends on what you mean by ‘care about’.

        certainly some women are capable of fucking a guy that they’re simply attracted to.

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      • “certainly some women are capable of fucking a guy that they’re simply attracted to”

        Not many.
        Women need a reason. (<<< justification)
        Men just need a location.

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      • Attraction is the reason. Note that it does not say physical attraction there (which arguably is probably not good enough for women, the best looking guy might fail if hes a complete omega)

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      • Maya, I feel I should apologize for some of my recent bitchy comments towards you too. It’s easy to get wound up around here. Sorry about that. For real.

        Also, though, it’s important to realize that people really are very different from one another. There are no generalizations that cover *everyone*.

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      • No, no, don’t apologize, I’m the hysterical one, you’re not. I just was afraid that you will regret your behavior in the future and I wanted to convince you that you should be looking for sex+love together, not just sex. I’ve seen girls regretting their past, so I was afraid that this could happen to you, too. I apologize for saying you’re a prostitute – it’s probably not the best expression.
        I see you mentioned that you are a high T – how do you know? Did you get your testosterone levels measured? Do you have this condition only recently or are you like that for your whole life?
        I’ve read it somewhere that women who are very high T can have casual sex just to satisfy their “needs”, although I’m wondering why can’t they masturbate instead? I mean, if you only *use* your lover for sex and you don’t want any emotional attachment – isn’t it the same as masturbation?

        Sorry again for some of my posts :S

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      • sex, even without emotional attachment, is not the same as masturbation. it just isn’t.

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      • Of course it isn’t – for men. But why would a girl have sex with someone she doesn’t want him to be her boyfriend?!

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      • Because it aint the same for women, either.

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      • You believe it’s possible for a girl to have sex with someone and not fall in love with him?

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      • @ Yes, of course it is. Look at third world countries. Women are often given in arranged marriages (where they never even knew the man before their wedding day) and have sex with their husbands (usually ONLY their husbands) all their lives, without ever loving them.

        Do you seriously think that just having sex with someone is what makes you fall in love?

        (Of course…some women in arranged marriages do fall in love eventually, if the man is good to them…but it’s more an exception to the rule, than the rule.)

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      • OK, sorry, I wasn’t clear enough. What I wanted to ask is why any girl would have sex with a guy she’s not in love with?

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      • I agree it’s possible to have sex without being in love, but I’d rather call it ‘rape’ (if it’s non-consensual) or ‘masturbation’ (consensual) – isn’t it more suitable?

        (I’m talking about girls here, I understand that it’s perfectly possible for men to have sex even when they are not in love)

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  43. My advice? Get the fat girl drunnk, she wont care anyomre

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  44. had to sign up as im followin ur blog for a while now. greetings from germany and keep the good work up.

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  45. Heartiste.

    I was in such a situation a long time ago. But I was nice to the fat one. I was really being nice to her : I asked her questions and gave compliments, and just listened to her.

    She fell in love with me, and pestered me to such an extent that I failed an exam because of her.

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  46. Where the hell is Roissy?

    Would Roissy have tolerated the rubbish being posted by the likes of Maya and Neecy?

    This blog is starting to stink.

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  47. Heartiste right on, as usual. The Fox and the Hound scenario is best avoided. Too little ROI, especially for an alpha.

    IME, the Fox comes in one of two varieties:

    Likely she’s a newly-minted 9, a former fattie, a reformed slut or, at 27 or 28, a hottie just on the cusp of losing her feminine alpha status but for makeup and muscle memory.

    The blatant disregard for her handservant’s state reveals this woman’s ugly core. She tends to be a narcissistic (redundant, I know) calculating, manipulative cunt. Why wouldn’t she be? That’s how she got her looks in the first place by patterning herself after the Natural 10’s and conniving a set of implants out of a former “boyfriend”–who was then promptly dumped. She proudly dissembles behind the facade of benevolent egalitarianism when in fact, like every tyrant, the ally is nothing more than a tool or ruse to further her ambition.

    Sure you could throw a fuck into her but why bother?

    The other girl is a certain strain of 10. Naturally gorgeous and feminine, she is naively empowered. These women live their charmed lives protected from ill fortune by an aura of pure sexual innocence, like Marilyn Monroe. There is genuine affection for the Hound but an eternal disconnect because of her obliviousness to the cynical realities of the far less beautiful. But men and even her friends willingly elevate and protect her because of the transparent purity of her intentions.

    Unfortunately, in this scenario, she has made up her mind to hook up her friend. Often the two are linked through work or are childhood friends. Loyalty is perhaps her strongest virtue and any attempt to countermand her little strategy will only confuse and agitate her.

    The rewards of landing one of these loyal angels are immense but the situation couldn’t be less favorable since you’d be asking her to betray her loyalties and to a woman who is so keenly desired, loyalties are everything.

    Better to always work a set that is making a show of looking bored or that just turned down some other unlucky chump:

    “Listen, I gotta know why you turned him down. You guys look like a great match to me…”

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  48. For all the guys who were whining about the femme invasion I advise you to read Neecy’s obliteration of the feminist whore posting as “crumpetess.”

    It’s a rare pleasure to see a female pointing out hypocrisy and lies from another female.

    Well done.

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  49. I am posting this at the bottom because it is far too confusing to follow the conversation at the top of the post any more.

    I would like to point out to all the men here who crumpetess finally decided to listen to. The man that she proclaimed herself to be an alpha. King A said much of what others here had already said (though in a far more eloquent fashion). She listened to him. Alpha power at work, guys.

    I will absolutely give her that PART of the reason she responded to him so well, is that he presents himself with two parts of HER definition of alpha, integrity and character. However, those things are not needed for a man to be an alpha in this day and age, which is obvious in her choice of sex partner. She is having sex with an asshole while pining for beta traits in an alpha man (yes, alpha men can have these traits crumpetess, but betas do have them as well). Yes, this is what 98% of women wish to settle down with. But, as has been said, time and again, alpha men are not going to develop those traits until women expect them to. And the only way we can expect them to change is by with holding the thing that drives them.

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    • Let’s keep in mind that, when someone who’s stated purpose here is to preach Christianity and condemn the ravishing of college freshman, recommends to a 30 year old woman that she not be a slut, his eloquent use of PUA theory will not cause any female readers to want to have sex with him…but rather the opposite that he, himself, recommends.

      By this site’s definition of alpha, that’s not only not alpha, but a betrayal of the interests of alphas. 😉

      St. Paul was no alpha either. For all that, he certainly got a lot of women to admire him.

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      • I happen to agree with King A in his preaching of Christianity. But living in the really, real world, I can’t deny that things are the way they are no matter how much I would like women to try to remain chaste and that integrity and character were true alpha traits, as they used to be.

        It’s not what the man is selling, but rather HOW he is selling it that makes him alpha.

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    • It’s not a helpful mental map to lump all admirable masculine traits together into the category of alpha.

      Far more usefull to lump the socially condoned and socially useful traits into the category of beta.

      Then see that there are two types of sexual attraction – one for the bad boy, the other for the upstanding family man/soldier.

      Lumping both types of attraction together muddles the conversation more than it clarifies it.

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      • This is an excellent point, xsplat. Thanks. There is an underlying definition of both types and each has certain traits that are very different from the other.

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  50. crumpetess,

    My previous post was just as much directed to you. I didn’t not mean to speak past you. Sorry about that.

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    • @ Stingray: “It’s not what the man is selling, but rather HOW he is selling it that makes him alpha.”

      You hit the nail on the head, Stingray. The content of what King A said was, indeed, similar to what others had said. However, he was the ONLY person to say it in a way that commanded my respect.

      Why? Because his presentation was powerful, authoritative, and masterful . Note the difference between his posts and almost all of the others: there was no inherent bitterness, no insult-flinging, no self-promotion, no false ego. There wasn’t even judgement, per se, simply a statement of facts, many of which I *already know* to be true. The effect was one of wisdom, confidence and power. Pure alpha. Give me some MORE.

      However, what is becoming very clear is that there are very differing ideas of “alpha” depending on context and who you ask….I posted earlier in response to aoife and itsme at the end of the earlier thread, about the different definitions of alpha. (It said my comment was “waiting for moderation”…kind of funny…since this particular post was totally courteous, and many of my others admittedly have not been.)

      Anyway, the differentiation between an “alpha among men” (the leader) and an “alpha among women” (the playboy/Lothario) is VERY interesting and helpful, I think. It’s this difference that I originally wanted to explore.

      The “alpha among women” is what seems to primarily fostered/promoted here. It does nothing for me, in terms of sexual attraction, in comparison to an “alpha among men”. (Tho’ comparison to wishy/washy betas…I’ll take the Lothario alpha.) Hence the allure of the older, wiser, powerful man.

      The reason I am not currently dating an “alpha among men” is because I honestly *don’t know any*, at least none who are single and/or available. Again, they also tend to be older…which is fine by me (love masterful older men), but that is limiting, in terms of numbers.

      So I settle for an “alpha among women” in the meantime, not because that is what I’m *most* attracted to, but because that is what is there. (And can we please not spin that into yet another dissection of my personal circumstances and whether I should/shouldn’t, blah blah blah? About 20 people have said their piece on it. Thanks.)

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    • @ Stingray…no, I appreciate your comments. And I totally agree. King A commanded my respect where absolutely no-one else did. That’s pure alpha. Give me some MORE, is my response to that.

      I actually wanted to discuss more about “alpha among women” and “alpha among men” and how the whole definition of “alpha” clearly differs, depending on context and audience, but it won’t let me post my comment for some really obscure technical reason.

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      • Sometimes the comments getting stuck in cyberspace for a few hours. It’ll show up in the next 24 hours most likely.

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  51. Rabbit trails

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  52. You don’t ignore the hotter chick but you charm the fug first. You don’t want to look like you’re doing the chick a favor by talking to her, but you also can’t make the hotter one think you’re only doing it for her benefit. My style would to make them both laugh right off the bat. Pretend I was a bouncer and tell the girls we have a hands off rule before (make up a time) and that their hand holding would have to be suspended for the time being. I’d ask the fug for a pencil and tell her I’m going to write her up etc etc. Disarm with charm. If they don’t have the humour and start some banter back, then I move on.

    Some of you are taking it too seriously, lighten the fuck up. It’s not rocket science braniacs, go balls to the walls with it. The problem as I see it, is you’re too much in your own heads. Internet lingo for PUA is fine to use here, but don’t go into a club, or wherever the fuck, and think those terms in your head. “that was a definite IOI etc etc, must neg now, amplify…” wtf!

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  53. ” You don’t ignore the hotter chick but you charm the fug first. ”

    Eh, this can backfire.

    Once the fug gets a bit of attention she is gonna cling to you like white on rice, especially if you are a high value dood.

    Heartiste is right, you are better off gaming other chicks.

    OR isolate the hottie by any means necessary, which, is a difficult task.

    OR bring them both home, get the fug piss drunk and passed out – but thats a bit annoying and longer winded. Better to find greener pastures to graze.

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  54. Crumpetess is an interesting case. I’m glad she posted here, because of her honesty. She’s willing to casually fuck an alpha guy that she would not marry. (I do wonder if she’d change her tune if he was willing to commit though.) Meanwhile she looks for the elusive strong, honest, good alpha to commit to her. Of course there’s some dissonance here, because by rewarding a caddish alpha with sex without commitment (a man’s dream), she makes it less likely that alphas with integrity who want to commit will exist at all. If you can get easy sex without commitment, you won’t be forced to develop these positive qualities that crupetess wants in a man.

    I suspect crumpetess has realized that she doesn’t have what it takes to attract a good man for a relationship, so is content getting used by a misogynist.

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  55. @ Anonymous:

    “If you can get easy sex without commitment, you won’t be forced to develop these positive qualities that crupetess wants in a man.”

    Don’t disagree with that at all. Perfectly point. However, I think it takes a lot more than a woman withholding sex for a man to be forced to develop positive qualities. Period. Without tremendous suffering, failure and loss, very few men ever develop them at all. But I don’t think the onus is on women to “force” men to do that. If men don’t inherently WANT to do that…then it’s a losing battle from the start. Which, quite frankly…it is.

    “I suspect crumpetess has realized that she doesn’t have what it takes to attract a good man for a relationship, so is content getting used by a misogynist.”

    Seldom, if ever, do I meet a “good man” (if we use either the definition above, or the definition of “alpha among men” as described earlier), so this is pretty hard to test.

    “…so is content getting used by a misogynist.” Why is it so hard for everyone to believe that I’m the one using *him*? I already broke it off with him once, a year ago, to enter into a five month relationship with someone who had serious LTR potential (but turned out to be emotionally retarded…broke it off with HIM too) and I’ll break it off again with the current dude, when it suits me. Maybe the fact that I can use him means he’s a beta. Who knows, who cares.

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    • > ““…so is content getting used by a misogynist.” Why is it so hard for everyone to believe that I’m the one using *him*? I already broke it off with him once, a year ago, to enter into a five month relationship with someone who had serious LTR potential (but turned out to be emotionally retarded…broke it off with HIM too) and I’ll break it off again with the current dude, when it suits me. Maybe the fact that I can use him means he’s a beta. Who knows, who cares.”

      You provide the chain of proofs against yourself. How could you broke it? You said there is no relationship? I suspect he doesn’t care whether you spread your legs for him or another chicks. 😀

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      • @ czg: “How could you broke it?”

        Him: Let’s get together again next weekend.

        Me: Nah, I started seeing someone. Sorry.

        The End

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      • Behave whatever you like. All those discussions on this subject are simply wastes of bandwidth and time.

        But for me, as non english, it’s a great material to polish my English. 🙂

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    • he’s in it for sex, and so are you. you both are getting what you want, no more and no less, so neither one of you is ‘using’ the other.

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  56. CRUMPTRESS SAID:…which is exactly what I’m doing. That’s the definition of “casual dating”. So after all that, you came around to my point of view anyway! Now there’s some hypocrisy, eh? No problem, girl. Happens to us all.

    NEECY SAID:
    Oh no you don’t! Nothing hypocritical about what i said. And we don’t agree on most things besides the “happy medium guy”.
    And no a one time hot fling is *not* what you’re doing. its one thing to have a quick one time fling with a hot guy and its another thing to continually allow a jerk in your personal space. casual dating to me means you are seeing and sleeping and being around this person more than a few times. The fact is women who allow themselves to be in constant company of jerks don’t know how to handle a decent man or relationship when it comes their way.

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    • Oh..OK. I get it now. thanks for clarifying. You prefer to have occasional random one night stands with a variety of different guys, while I prefer to keep one FWB on the side, between LTRs. Gotcha. Makes perfect sense. Which of those behaviors is more risky for the aforementioned va-jay-jay Ph balance, I wonder?

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      • First off in my original post I said nothing about occassional. but for chicks with issues who just can’t keep their legs closed, then yes I would say being with one guy every ONCE IN A BLUE MOON (those were my exact words) then that is better than being around and with a jerk/asshole most of the time. When you consume assholness in a man for long periods of time you CANNOT handle any other kind of decent man or decent relationship b/c you don’t know what one is! and no decent man should ever deal with a chick who has consumed more than her fair share of asshole males – he’s asking for trouble. Chicks who think they are outsmarting themselves eventually become scorned and burned out and distrusting and suspicious of all men.

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      • Why don’t you two fight this out offline?

        Lately, the comments on this blog have been a constant stream of women trying to prove themselves.

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      • breaking my head against the hamster (maybe it’ll finally get neecy to shut up):
        Crumpetess is right about 1 thing: an asshole once in a blue moon is no different than an asshole FWB. The cause of both is hypergamy and the effect of both is sluthood.

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  57. When did all these annoying girls invade Roissy’s blog and use it as a forum to do what they do best: bicker with one another about stuff no one but them cares about. While it’s not my place to say so, I’m thinking… PLEASE LEAVE …. or STFU. Why do annoying women insist upon invading every male space?

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  58. @ Neecy: “ONCE IN A BLUE MOON”….”occasional”….= semantics.

    Having a FWB between LTRs where we meet up every couple of weeks for sex hardly qualifies as “being around and with a jerk/asshole most of the time.”, especially when my regular social life does not involve him, and includes actively going on dates (but refusing to engage sexually) with a variety of other men. (Yes, mostly betas in recent weeks…which is why I’m not yet in another relationship.)

    That’s the whole point of the FWB:

    1. He diffuses my sexual drive while keeping my overall partner count in stasis (which I do actually agree is a good thing).

    2. He facilitates clearheaded forays into the dating world based on everything OTHER than sex. I’m having sex with him and getting release there, so I’m sure as hell not going to be falling into bed with some other hot guy that I’m seriously considering as LTR material, whether guy #2 is alpha, beta, omega or WHATEVER.

    As an added perk…sex is great exercise and enhances pheromones, as everyone knows. Therefore, thanks to the FWB, the men I’m dating and NOT sleeping with pursue me all the more.

    But you would still rather promote women having one night stands. Hmmm. Again, I say…OK. Suit yourself.

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    • Ok now that u explained in detail your situation it makes more sense. No I don’t condone one night stands. However some women would be better of with blue moon Hook ups than being in a relationship with a jerk or asshole who will cause her to develop bad thoughts about all men.

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      • My earlier comment didn’t post C. but basically it sounds like you have made your choice and are comfy with it. Now that you have explained in further detail it makes much more sense as to how you are approaching things. It still doesn’t make sense as to why any woman would waste time with a man who is disrespectful. I don’t care if you are just “using him”. There are other men you could sleep with who fit closer to the profile of the kind of man you are looking for. I guess I just don’t understand wanting to reward a jerk with the one precious thing you have – your body.

        Once again – i do not encourage one night stands unless its that rare one that happens out of nowhere b/c you have an aaaaaaahmazing vibe/connection with someone. Those rarely happen. But let’s face it, some girls need sex more often than others. For those I would say once in awhile one night stands may be better than dealing consistently with one jerk. *shrug* But I still say most women cannot handle relationships with jerks and asses and suddenly can bounce from that to a healthy relationship where the guy is not an asshole. Often times women who accept this behavior do it bc there is something they enjoy or like about it – enough to deal with a man like this. I always feel healthy relationships for women who dealt with jerks don’t last very long and its the good guys who get burned. Why do I care, b/c then good guys start treating all women the same and that makes me upset.

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      • your the exception. just cos you blow off the urkels and thugs and limit yourself to NBA draftees wont work with all girls

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      • I’m a fat chick. Why do guys chase hot babes instead of me?

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      • They are intimidated by your inner beauty.

        And upper arms.

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      • Textbook example of
        a bad neg

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      • OldNerdGuy, What the hell happened? Within a short span you turned not only into a chick, but a fat one to boot?

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      • I’m a shapeshifter from the planet Beta Mangina Too (formerly known as Beta Mangina, but there are so many of us, we got used to saying it the new way).

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      • HUH FP?! Where did *that* come from? that i am only interested in NBA draftees? LOL

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      • okay, NFL draftees, NBA rookies etc

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      • Uuuh NOT!

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  59. crumpetess,

    why do yo need a FWB parner? Masturbation is not enough?

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  60. I mean parTner …

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  61. @ Maya: see comment above in the other thread. As everyone keeps telling you, sex and masturbation are not the same. End of story.

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    • I still don’t get it … I imagine that having sex with someone you love is not like masturbation, but having sex with someone you don’t love … WHY?!

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      • For pete’s sake, why the eff do you care? She likes it, you don’t. End of flippin’ story.

        Here read this and maybe this will end the questions (hope so). Some (maybe many) women can have sex without love. If you’re a virgin then you have no clue how good it can feel, and good wants repetition. But…women have more to risk – emotional death and pregnancy, so its not a wise move for us.

        By the way love is not a feeling either, it’s action, chemical feelings are rather short lived and loving actions come from more than a feeling. So you can feel like you’re ‘in love’ when all it is, is a chemical reaction called oxcytocin which makes us want to bond with the man we’ve ‘mated’ with. It’s biological. Choosing to mate with someone you barely know or are having a FWB thing with is risky because it starts to feel like love and girls then make dumb decisions. My belief is women friends have told you they’re in love with their short term guys so you only think women who love have sex. Not true.

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      • What is and is not love is not worth differentiating.

        Just a chemical, or a lifelong habit, whatever. If you feel something similar to love in a one night stand, call it love, and be happy for it.

        Better to falsely label fleeting moments as love, than accurately label whatever is pleasurable and meaningless as pleasurable and meaningless.

        Last night my voice was full of loud emotions as I fucked my little girl. It felt like love, and that’s all that matters. All that really matters.

        The end.

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      • What is love
        Oh baby, don’t hurt me
        Don’t hurt me…no more
        Oh, baby don’t hurt me
        Don’t hurt me…no more

        Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh
        Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh

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      • ha…lyrics to another song. It brings back memories of:

        Times with my brothers and usually the leader…my eldest brother ( my alphaest brother) would start drumming a beat and soon my second and third brother would join with pounding the walls, or snapping his fingers to the beat that filled the room. Once they were all in sync, then came the finale……ME and My voice, singing loud and improvising and feeling the connection….

        Sooooo, when you asks what love it…..

        “Love, is forever
        And we’ll die, we’ll die forever
        And I, I said never
        ‘Cause our love is forever”

        lalalalala…..

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      • This is not a judgment, but simply an observation.

        xsplat speaks like a man who’s been through darkness of heartache and pain and has grieved his one true love… now….embracing every morsel of what life has to offer.

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      • Excellent!

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      • Enzymes, Maya. Others can rationalize it how ever they like, but women weren’t really built to go without sex for long periods of time. It’s one of the evolutionary reasons our cycles are in months and not seasons like many other mammals.

        So after awhile of not getting sex, the body gets a craving for the enzymes that a man produces at the head of his penis. Without them, we tend to get depressed and consider having sex with people who are really not a good idea to have sex with. It becomes more about proximity than suitability.

        It is best to have sex with someone who cares about you, but if there are none, some women take what they can get as a lesser evil.

        This is why I like to cut through the b.s. and if I find someone who cares and I get along with, I don’t look for reasons not to have sex with him. Holding out for something better is kind of stupid when love is as good as it gets. One can work out the logistics later if the circumstances aren’t ideal…or just learn to live with them.

        I used to worry too much about the details when I was an overly entitled bitch. I didn’t have a 100 points list like other girls, but I did have my silly circumstantial requirements. It caused unnecessary drama. There was too much face saving on my end and this is way too much stress on the wrong side of appropriate gender division of labor in a relationship. It was like having a Lesbian relationship with hetero men.

        Anyway, the need may be physical, but you don’t have to wreck your psychology for a physical need. It is very normal for women to not want to have casual sex with people who don’t care about them. Leave the casual to the high T women who don’t catch feelings or save it for when it has been many months or years and you’re consciously just in it for the enzymes.

        Even then, promoting a friend is better than picking up random dudes who don’t even care for you as a person.

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  62. Guys from what you have read here..if you had to choose a date with crumptess or neecy? assuming equal looks ..who would it be?

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    • At least Neecy is learning. Crumptness just seems obstinant.

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    • Full shots and then I’ll decide. You can’t be going off personality alone right?

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    • And what are you looking for? A girlfriend? Come on! Crumbpie is the one to bang, if she’s a 7+, she’s going to be the path of least resistance.

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    • Crumptness: One night stand.
      The new neecy: Girlfriend material if you’re more than 50 years old.
      Maya: Ltr material but needs to grow up.

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      • Uhm exsqueeze me Anon, BUT I am still young looking enough to get a guy my age or a couple of years older!

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      • ya for the huge jugs!

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      • Uhm exsqueeze me but I wouldn’t say you’ve learned much from this blog if you really believe in your late thirties that a strong guy in his fifties is too old.

        The implication in “still young looking enough”, something pushed by western feminists, is that great sex is supposed to go to the younger men, not the most powerful men. A society that accepted that BS would make the older men want to destroy the civilization they created, or take what they’ve created and move it to a civilization that rewards men who grow older.

        Men will extrapolate where you’re going to be 10 years from now. As guys grow older, the strongest among them are not going to want to settle for those who’ve hit the wall already or who soon will. Any alpha can get a 15 year age difference LTR going without even trying.

        A 10 year age difference needs to be your minimum consideration.

        Maya also needs to disconsider any male under 36.

        This is a given. If you’re in LA and want an LTR that will stand the test of time,, try to meet Steven Segall. He’s about 60. There are plenty of guys like him who are only not famous.

        This advice if if you want to be with someone who will love you and want to be with you until one of you dies.

        —————-

        On a macro scale, this insidious “Males Reach Menopause at the Same Time as Women” rhetoric is hard to keep out of all online comms with Americans.

        Men: Instead of flaming women posters for admitting they have a few extra pounds or flaming them for “being with a jerk while saying they’re looking for a nice guy”, why don’t you call them on the more serious stuff, that also threatens your long term interests, the western idea that male-female “equality” assumes same age dating.

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      • Strangely, many men and women can’t believe that you can get similar emotional connections when there is a large age gap.

        From what I’ve seen, people who don’t believe that this is possible have some need for their beliefs. I’ve never seen those beliefs altered.

        I have a lot of experience with large age gaps. In the kung fu of relationship, what appears to be a handicap can be used as an advantage.

        Here is a true story. Some years ago there was an olympic finals in Judo. It was down to the last fight between two compatants, and the reigning title holder of world judo champion was severely injured in one leg. Most people would assume his weakness would leave him unable to compete at such a level. Instead he took down his opponent within the first 10 seconds of the battle.

        With age, you use what is at hand as an Aikido move as well. You show your weaknesses to your opponent, letting them assume you are easy prey. This lures them in. Then as they are underestimating the enemy, seeing you as prey, the prey becomes predator. The beta becomes dominant. This is the classic beta bait and switch. Look at me, I’m just a friendly old unassuming man. I’m safe. Come closer. Then step by step you weave your web, until the illusion of safety is gone – you’ve woven a web entirely around the girl, and she is entangled and ensared in your house of love, and knows no way out.

        I’m not sure why some men and women refuse to imagine life where strong romances are possible where there are large age gaps. I think it must be because their world view demands it. If x were possible, then y would not be the only possibility. I think some people are so invested in their y, that x CAN NOT be possible. Damn the facts.

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      • “Maya also needs to disconsider any male under 36.”

        I agree with you that there probably has to be some age difference (which also should not be fixed, but has to increase linearly, if not exponentially). Problem is, that 35 is the upper age I consider suitable for me – and you suggest that I should disconsider anyone under 36 … I don’t know. My goal is to find a man with whom I will have long-lasting chemistry and also two or three kids.

        Since it’s proven that trying to conceive babies with old sperm can be risky or unsuccessful (http://www.andrologyjournal.org/cgi/content/short/24/4/459) and also I find signs of aging repulsive – I can tolerate wrinkles, but gray hair, effects of gravitation and lack of energy (this one especially) are very unattractive sexually – unfortunately these are present on very many men over 35 – I would refuse a man who is over 35, EXCEPT if he is self-confident, listens to his heart, takes care of his health (no smoking or drinking) and has some decent and morally acceptable job (=his money has to be earned fairly).

        I’m seriously very late … :S Everyone is taken already :S I thought there is another option – forgetting the dream of romantic love and trying to find someone for a more equal relationship. Will I have problems in the sack by doing so? (I’ll have to tolerate his betaness, he’ll have to tolerate me being old). It’s still better than nothing … Plus, he won’t die too soon – I don’t want to be a widow for too long! But for this kind of relationship I need someone who is as good-looking as I am (OK, I’m not that full of myself, but you can imagine that girls usually do look much better than guys), because I couldn’t tolerate bad looks and betaness together, which again means I should have started calculating this years before …

        Should I marry a beta guy? How do betas behave in the sack? I guess they are not really self-confident? Do they beg for sex or blow-jobs? Are they clingy?

        Is it better to marry a beta guy or be a spinster/catlady? Maybe being a lesbian is not that bad, as well (I’d rather sleep with a woman than with a men asking me whether he can sleep with me – which I guess is what betas do) or a cougar with several good-looking lovers?

        h e l p … Which one should I choose? I don’t want to die alone.

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      • I hate when men encourage women to do what they wouldn’t or don’t do themselves. Its so telling and hypocritical. Tell an older guy to date and find a woman his age and watch how offended he gets. Yet this same guy will encourage women to look for guys waaaay older than them to date. older men are not as attractive as younger ones or as virile. WHY men refuse to acknowledge this is beyond me.

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      • Neecy,

        Men don’t have to date women there own age. Younger women will go out with them and often marry them (and often times have perfectly healthy children). There is nothing that needs to be acknowledge.

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      • I understand this as its quite obvious this happens often (younger women and older men). I don’t care who anyone dates. I don’t care if a man prefers younger women. However, I do get bothered when they feel the need to put down women in their age range. There is no need for that. Some men are perfectly happy with women close in age for a number of reasons. often these men are made to feel like losers b/c they are not out chasing girls half their age. that is not right. Whatever attracts a person that is their business. I find people like to acknowledge the “live and let live” motto when it suits their own needs. yet when it comes to others, they feel a need to put down what they are doing or make assnine judgements.

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      • “However, I do get bothered when they feel the need to put down women in their age range.”

        That’s how the brain works I guess. Even I have to admit that only younger girls (like early 20’s) have this intoxicating allure (I’m really NOT gay :P) lost very quickly after a certain age, but I was FRIGHTENED when reading this post https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/01/29/32-vs-21/

        Heartiste, two questions for you – I know you’re too alpha to answer my shitty posts 😥 and I won’t stop reading you because of that, but if you have time – could you clarify some things …

        1.) Is it true that you have erectile dysfunction (you wrote ‘squinting helped’ !!! ‘astringent odors’ and that you had to mentally concentrate very hard :S) with women aged 32?! That’s fucking scary! How many months do I have?

        2.) Do you really think lifting weights is overall beneficial? (I’m thinking about lifting weights but since this increases androgen levels I’m afraid it could also affect jaw :P, nose, body hair, libido (women who are too horny are probably not attractive for LTR, right?) … All these things that get worse only with aging already – why accelerating it with weight lifting? Isn’t it better to retain a pretty face instead of having a perfectly toned body?

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      • Maya,
        I lifted weights and never got a bigger jaw or anything like that. I really doubt that will happen unless you’re on steroids. Lifting weights will help against osteoporosis, which is a risk that increases with age, especially for women, so it’s good for health as well as appearance. It won’t necessarily make you buff or ripped, btw. You’ll gain some muscle, but if you still have a normal body fat percentage for a woman, you will look feminine (just more in shape).

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      • Emma,

        yeah, I guess you’re right – I’m just being paranoid …
        (I still have this feeling of impending menopause so I don’t want to make any mistake ;P)

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      • Oh Maya. Just wear sunscreen and pick whichever guy you like. You won’t hit the wall, so it won’t matter. Stop agonizing. Seeriiously.

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      • Jerry,

        I don’t have a problem with dating a guy *somewhat* older than me. I’m open to whatever and whomever God sends my way. But Ideally for me, a guy close to my age range is perfect and what I will aim for. I’m not so sure I am willing to do the much much older thing. Who knows, I may meet an extraordinary man 10 yrs my senior and if I do I will go for it. But there would need to be an amazing connection and he also would not have to be an ageist (IOW’s if he talks down about women in his age group I have no interest in such a man). But I have always preferred men at least my age or possibly a few yrs older or younger. But at this rate I don’t have to date a man much older than myself bc most of the men who I attract are late 20’s to 40’s range.
        There are still men on earth who enjoy being with and around women their age who still look amazing. Frankly, older men who are constantly talking down about women in their age group annoy the f*ck out of me and I think they are pathetic losers with issues. I would never be with an older guy who would not date a woman in his age range. I would however, consider a man 7 -10 years my senior who dates *BOTH* his age group and younger b/c then it would seem he is more interested in the woman and not necessarily her age.

        Any older guy who has never dated a woman in his age range can keep it moving. I will stick with being a cat lady before going with one of these kinds of jerks. These kinds of older judgmental males never want to admit the same reason males are attracted to younger women are the same reasons women are attracted to younger guys or guys within their same age range.
        Also, The problem with dating men much much older for me is I am not going to take on a burden of taking care of some man who is growing much older and sicker (due to his age) than i am. its not fair.

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      • Well, lets see, a woman who is still looking in her late 30s probably didn’t think what she could get was good enough for quite some time. A guy who is 10 years older is just consistent. Its what they can get, and they don’t think its good enough. I would never even look at a woman who I guessed to be my age. In my mid 30s, I found someone in her mid 20s. If I were single in my 40s, I would see that gap begin to widen. The monkey inside me has always wanted younger women.

        I also I agree that any older woman that would approach me with the idea that I should be with her in a long term relationship is as silly a social faux pas as me walking into a woman’s bathroom.

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      • Jerry I responded to you yesterday don’t know what happened but I’ll try to recap what i originally said.
        I don’t necessarily have a problem dating a man older than me. However, I have issues with a lot of older men b/c they tend to look down on the women in their age group. Aging is not something ANYONE can control –its gonna happen. Why feel the need to make women feel like crap b/c of something natural and inevitable? *ALL* young people look better, not just women BUT MEN TOO look better and much more sexually appealing while younger . Should I talk crap about older men b/c they can’t physically compete with the sexuality of younger men?
        I am open to whomever and whatever God sends my way. Ideally the man I meet will be within my age range or a few years older/younger. If I meet an EXTRODINARY non ageist man who I cannot resist and we have a great chemistry/connection who is 10 years my senior I will go for it. Its not ideal for me but I will never say never.

        However at this rate, I still attract men close within my age so I haven’t had to consider a bigger age gap in a mate. But I won’t date an older man with age issues towards women his age. If he dates both younger and women his age then I think that is good b/c he is looking at the woman herself and not simply her age. I find many older men have this age complex and thus I would rather be a cat lady than be with one of them.

        Also 10 years my senior at this point is not ideal b/c I don’t want to be left with a burden of taking care of a man who b/c is much older than me will grow sicker much quicker than I most likely would b/c of age. Its not fair on a woman.

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      • “I find many older men have this age complex and thus I would rather be a cat lady than be with one of them.”

        They can’t help themselves. My father only likes hot teenagers. They have their brains programmed that way.

        BUT I wouldn’t be with a man with age complex either – they are so immature, like they can’t accept that everyone will get old and die eventually. And I’d have a feeling that he was with me only because of my young body, which is also very disturbing.

        Being a cat lady is not that bad after all. I already have a cat (only one at this point) and he resembles an infant :))) Real babies are probably better, but cats are an adorable substitute. I plan to have more cats in the future – I especially like Siamese cats (ragdolls are cute as well).

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      • “Uhm exsqueeze me Anon, BUT I am still young looking enough to get a guy my age or a couple of years older!”

        OK.
        The new neecy: Girlfriend material if you’re more than 60 years old.

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      • Why I outta……..

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    • People are reading them?

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    • Crumpie will win. Girls like her always do. My current philosophy is i often feel like the last soldier standing in a battle/war that has already been lost, still shooting desperatley at the standing opposing army. lol

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      • So stop shooting.

        Like I keep saying, worry less about being a good woman and more about being a woman.

        This generation hates a decent woman, and it is against our survival to attempt to be decent when others are being indecent towards us.

        So I play dirty if it gets my needs met. I have no mercy for those who have none for me.

        On the flipside though, if someone does care for me, I will go through anything or anyone.

        When you’re around 40, you’ll understand. Until you’re 30ish you should at least try to do the “right” thing though.

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      • Nicole, I get closer to this frame of mind everyday. I’m very much a late bloomer and feeling the effects of that. its a real struggle for me b/c I am a spiritual person and I don’t want to do something I am against. but it gets hard being celibate trying to wait for the right one, while all my friends are out having all the great sex and telling me I am crazy for not “getting mine”. I sometimes wonder if at my age I should just go for broke since I am past the 30 mark? Its really tough b/c i do struggle with this. *sigh*

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      • I understand what you’re saying. I’ve been married twice, and was out of the loop, and found myself kinda half back on the market again at 32. It was really hard to let go of things that didn’t make any sense at my age.

        To be very honest, one of the things I had to let go of was the multicult. If you are 18 and cute, almost anybody will value you, but the real test comes when you’re no longer in your prime. A Black woman over 30 is not going to find a man who will really be a man for her outside her race.

        People can look at me and say that I am the exception, but I am not. I am positive that if I was White and had a real chance of getting taken away from my husband, he would take the pill or do what it took to keep me around. Since he knows subconsciously that I don’t really have better options in this country, he doesn’t feel compelled to do what it takes. So he takes the hippie option and opens the marriage.

        I love him, and I’m sure he loves me in his way, but the sexual market is what it is.

        So the best advice I can give you at your age being on the market is stay Black.

        Unless you’re a wild independent sort like me who can take the tradeoffs of seeing some of the world, then stay Black. Only a Black man can love a 30+ Black woman the way most Black women need to be loved…like a woman and not like a man with a vagina or a novelty.

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      • I was in a bit of a hurry when I made the last post, so I didn’t get to flesh out some key points. Since the guys here are generally HBD friendly, I don’t have to mince words. Few can argue that though Black people have our scratches in general, one of the big ones across the psyche of the European, especially the Anglo is an oversensitivity to differences.

        Exceptions do exist, I’m sure, but your chances of finding one are extremely low. When you do encounter a European man capable of seeing a Black woman as female and fully human, it is likely that he will be Eastern European and/or not quite White and working with African men in some dangerous job. Unless he sees himself as one of us, he won’t be able to see you as one of his.

        Even so, circumstances can get in the way. He may be a great guy and see you as fully a woman and fully human, but the people around him don’t. His family will be a problem. If he has an ex then the minute she hears he is dating a Black woman, she will do whatever she has to do and say whatever she has to say to get him back because she will feel suicidally horrible about herself to lose to a Black woman.

        (By the way, this can be used as a game tactic for men who want to put a little fear into their girlfriend.)

        It will only last as long as she views you as a threat, but what a threat you will be. You are a challenge to the idea (which is normally the psychological truth of White people) that anything White is better than anything Black. Your relationship with her ex or a guy she’s normally used to taking for granted is an insult to her even if she doesn’t really want him. She’ll jump on him just so you don’t get him.

        Under 25, you might have a chance of meeting that challenge. Over 30, well…even I wasn’t over 30 when I met my husband.

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    • I’d Game and fuck them both.

      Then see which one works harder to keep me.

      In the unlikely event neither put forth effort:

      There are millions of other women on the planet.

      If they don’t feel I’m unique, then it’s only fair I consider them likewise.

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    • aunties like Neecy should go for sites that are meant for divorcees.

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  63. Hahahahaha. Hilarious. 😀 I kind of love this.

    Neecy: truce, chica. I lay down my weapons.

    We both lose, anyway. I never argued otherwise. You (me, all of us) just do the best with what you’ve got, is all.

    As they say, what would the world be without men?

    Answer: full of fat, happy women. With some kickass vibrators.

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    • LOL I just imagine myself in the scene from Harlem Nights where its two gangs up against one another and one gang is shooting major fire arm weaponry like machine guns and you have one guy from the other side shooting this little small pistol in return to their machine guns. HILLARIOUS! needless to say – he didn’t last very long. LOL Its cool! I think we’re all adults here who understand we have different ways of seeing and doing!

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  64. @ Neece: some very good points in the last post, I concede.

    Particularly, you said: “I guess I just don’t understand wanting to reward a jerk with the one precious thing you have – your body.”

    I’ve definitely thought the same in the past…perhaps its worth revisiting.

    And you said: “I always feel healthy relationships for women who dealt with jerks don’t last very long and its the good guys who get burned. Why do I care, b/c then good guys start treating all women the same and that makes me upset.”

    Perhaps…although any intelligent “good guy” should be capable of keeping his eyes open and cutting through all the crap, both male and female.

    Or maybe I’m reverting to false idealism of yore…

    Ramping up on the cats…oh yeah.

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    • Well there *is* one redeeming factor about the cat lady life – you will live longer according to studies that say people with furry pets live longer. LOL

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    • Forget about women’s “definition” of alpha. Who cares? Their actions, not words, are our guide. There are these:

      (alpha) what women fuck
      (beta) what women say they want

      Crumpetess shows us the difference in a clear way (thanks, crumpy!).

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      • Or, in terms of the nanny-state inspired unrest in Britain lately,…

        Alpha = Out rioting, drinking stolen alcohol and throwing debris at police for more gov’t benefits.

        Beta = Have family store owned/run for three generations burned down and looted, possibly get robbed naked personally as well.

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  65. Off-topic, but Shine’s at it again… your guide to be LJBFed into the the FriendZone ’til she needs arthristis meds.

    “Is He Husband Material?” by GALTime, Shine via Yahoo!, 26 Jul 2011
    http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/sex/is-he-husband-material-2515885/

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  66. on August 12, 2011 at 2:14 am JamesMattisJr

    wow wtf happend to Roissy? I went away for a month and come back and my fav blog’s name has changed 😦 I found this new blog via rooshv

    Also, whats up with all these women readers on this new blog? Was Roissy taken over by a feminist org? I am so depressed now.

    Someone please shut these bitches up!

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  67. I wish this blog had option like Facebook:
    “Hide all posts from… “

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  68. Guys, got a question. What are the characteristics of a partriarch in a patriarchy? The alpha?

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  69. Neecy or Crumptess? for a day a month a year

    I’d pick neecy b/c she leads with her heart..not her head..and she ‘s working towards being integrated as a woman ..crumptess seems content to use her intellect to protect an image she doesnt even believe in..leads with her mind..and this leads most women to protect staying dis-integrated

    Maya stop trying to understand everything ..there’s nothing to protect and no threat to your values by living your life and making mistakes unless you lie to yourself.. take a damn risk ..theres some good guys out there.. look to what you can give..not get ..look how you can serve not be served ..and be discriminating in choosing..not fearful..

    just my thoughts

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  70. Imho fat chick is as bad as omega male.

    At the end of the day it is not only wight of her body, it is also attitude and vibe and energy and personality that goes with this frustrating creature, and that’s what really turns man off.

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    • That was awfully vague and sounds like you’re pulling it out of your butt.

      Please be specific. In case there’s anyone thinking of bottom feeding, you could save a man from butthurt when his magnanimous gesture is answered with insufficient gratitude.

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      • I think as a man I have a better idea of how fat woman perceived by man. You on other side are the one who never been a man.

        So seems to me that you are the one who is pulling it out of the butt 🙂

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      • …but you are only one man who, I suspect, is not in the habit of dating fat women because you apparently don’t like them. Forgive me if you are someone who aesthetically likes fat women, but were turned off to them by some sort of bitter experience.

        Because overfatness is so common and yet so stigmatized in American society, and so rare above a certain level in others, I just don’t see how you have the experience to say that fat women are generally a certain way.

        Women in general, are socially dependent. What’s put in is generally what comes out. So with all the negative crap fat women have to absorb, I could see how you could be right. It’s just important to back up what you’re saying with something or else it just reads like more crap.

        All the crap just blends together and seems like white noise after awhile.

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      • Yes I am one man, who knows other man and who friends with other man much more than you as a women will be. Sure there are guys who love bigger woman, but they are exception.

        As I mentioned in my previous post, fat women is a woman who doesn’t take care of herself and women who doesn’t take care of herself simply cannot be attractive to man. Same as omega man he doesn’t take care of himself and no women ever looks on him, except when he gets lucky if ever.

        And of course people don’t take care of themselves because of the attitude that they have toward a life.

        I disagree with overfatness being common, you don’t see that many fat people in russia, whole middle east, whole asia, most and of the world doesn’t has those problems. It is not common at all.

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      • Christ, I wish you people would read before replying. I said it was common yet stigmatized in America, but not so common elsewhere.

        Did you ever stop to think why a country that so stigmatizes fat has so many fat people in it?

        Maybe it’s for the same reason it has so many stupid people in it.

        Stupid people should probably not nitpick about the results of one another’s stupidity. Nature has enough punishment for all of you.

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      • Nicole,

        You really take my comments on a personal level, spending all this time and all those words to answer me 🙂

        Relax, we just two strangers from the internet.

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      • Yes, we are just two strangers on the internet. I’m just the one in this exchange who understands there’s a human being behind every bit of text. I’m from the generation that didn’t live vicariously through their keyboards, and used the internet to enhance our real lives, not to replace having a real life.

        It is important to me, if I’m going to be here at all, to give something back for the good this blog has done me. So I have a hard time not taking some things a bit personally. The denigration of the less than hot above rational limits, is part of the pedistalizing of the hot. You are basically talking down one set of vaginas to worship another. It’s part of a mob mentality. You think your mistresses will love you more if you pick on the disobedient slaves or something. Nobody sees your individuality in a mob.

        The truth is that you should be treating us all like your puppets and selecting the special ones for use that can stop if they don’t behave to your liking. You should have the hot ones riding your cock and the fat ones baking you pies that you brag to the hot one about how many bitches bake you pies because they want a ride.

        Hot chicks get penetrated through the same orifices that regular and ugly chicks do. They may be more sought after, but they are just as much women, just as mortal, and accomplishing no more by causing your erection than any woman is by causing any other guy’s erection. To have a balanced view of the hot, you should have a balanced view of women in general. To understand the overblown sense of entitlement of the hot, you have to understand the overblown sense of entitlement of women in general.

        You can’t understand the nature of a social species by only observing the behavior of the highest ranking members. The interplay is important.

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      • A fat person who tries to doll herself up and seeks out sex is an undisciplined short-term thinker. If she had the foresight and competence to achieve her goals, sexual health and beauty, rather than grabbing at the next twinkie on the couch, she wouldn’t be fat.

        For most fat men, this is far less relevant because usually a) they are off in the clouds being scientists, disdaining vanity entirely; or b) if they do seek sexual satisfaction, physical girth is far less important to their sexual attractiveness.

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      • A woman who dolls herself up and seeks out sex is a recluse with no internet service.

        I swear, the fantasy life some of you have about women you’re supposedly not attracted to is more colorful than that about those you are attracted to.

        You actually believe that women who have some defects have to work hard to get sex.

        I’m beginning to think that this is what you tell yourselves to console yourselves when fat women reject you. I can understand the butthurt caused by an overblown sense of entitlement. I suffered from this myself when I couldn’t understand why two painfully nerdy men got all picky about religion/ethnicity on me.

        My ego was hurt because people I thought should be grateful for my attention (cause I’m the charismatic, artistic type and they are boring to most girls but I have this brain fetish), weren’t.

        Granted, because I’m female, it was pretty easy to find someone to dry my tears. What I’m trying to say is that females generally have no trouble finding someone to dry their tears. Whatever disdain you feel for them is not uniformly shared by every single man on earth. There are enough who aren’t so picky about weight, especially when you’re not talking about severe obesity, to pick up the slack.

        …like there are enough nice Jewish girls desperate for a nice Jewish boy, that even if they never actually do better than me, it’s not like there’s nobody at all.

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  71. gesta non verba

    Sure the girls like a strong man who can be nice. But that isn’t really very descriptive of the process.

    The girls ride cocka to hunt for hearts. They do not ride hearts and hunt for cocka.

    Young women sleep with alpha jerks, not the bleeding hearts whilst they seek the perfect balance. We have another marvelous example.

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  72. Neecy and her ilk get the same treatment as GBFM. I scroll past until I stop seeing the senseless chattering.

    I seem to recall someone posting a macro for one of the browsers that allowed you to selectively block specific posters or comments a while back.

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  73. I’m 22 and haven’t had a boyfriend who I think I would want to marry. I’ve been reading here and it seems like you guys are suggesting I get married to an older man and soon, not wait until I’m 30 like my mother says I should. I get hit on a lot, but I think all men want is my body. How do I know which guy is best for me if I have to sleep with him first so that he’ll go out with me and I won’t do that?

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    • you sound like you dont like sex and thats ok but why would you want to get married if you hate sex?

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      • I was brought up in a religious home and wore a purity ring to show God and my parents I was a good girl. I did have sex twice in college and I felt bad about it, but then decided I wasn’t going to Hell. I liked it, but it was more like an experiment, maybe love makes it better?

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      • trust me
        Love…is vastly overrated

        you associate pre-marital sex with guilt.
        you can NOT “train” yourself out of it – ever.

        stick with a mormon-type guy of your faith for your best shot. he’ll be swpl, not robert pattinson and youll just have to deal

        but still, I can’t figure out why you would ever want to be married if you have religious hangups about sex.

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      • the hangup may be about sex outside of wedlock, not necessarily sex per se.

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    • All sexual advice you will ever get will be tainted by the bias of the man or womans personal sexual agenda.

      There are many sexual strategies. Which one is for you no one can say.

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    • Men who tell you that waiting until you are past your prime to marry will result in a lower quality lifetime mate than you could have snagged in your prime are usually lying.

      It is in mens best interest to have you believe this.

      Women on the other hand have it in their best interest to not have you competing for the same men they are – therefore the older ones will discourage you from marrying the marriageable men.

      Your sexual value and ability to attract the best possible male you will ever be able to attract is highly individualistic, and depends on both your looks and social skills, as well as your hunting grounds. And of course who you find compatible.

      The fact that men hate is that you CAN slut it up until you are thirty, then marry a doctor.

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    • I get hit on a lot, but I think all men want is my body

      i love women not for their bodies but for their minds.

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  74. Curious Girl, you don’t have to get married now. I did get married at 22 and don’t regret it, but it has to be the right guy. Where are you meeting men? Do not meet them in bars or clubs. What are you interested in? What are your hobbies? Are you going to school?

    If you are looking for a guy that wants marriage or an LTR you’ll find them at church, volunteering, through friends, clubs (like running/biking), softball teams, political functions, and more. Just be nice and friendly to guys and they will figure out you are a quality girl.

    Not all 30 year old guys want a 22 year old. I think 27 is the highest age I would go for at your age. Also, old bachelors have quirks. They may have financial security, but there may be a reason why he is single.

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    • I finished college so I did a lot of clubs with my friends, now that I work we don’t do it as much. I don’t want to go to church because my parents forced me to when I was a kid and I hated it. Where I work we’re not allowed to have a relationships with co-workers because of potential security breaches, which sucks. I like this one guy but I’d have to quit my job first. I think he likes me, he looks at me in that way, but I think he just wants to have sex with me probably.

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  75. Oh, Jesus, CH has turned into a girlie, relationship advice column…slam on the comments moderation…

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  76. fine dont reply then
    nee-c and cg willl just have to
    work out your romantic issues

    i’ve got to go get pretty
    for The Weekend
    MOUT

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    • Sorry. I’m at work and trying to look busy, my bad. I think I will like sex from what I know about it, it felt good, but I don’t want to lower my value as you guys say. So it’s hard to keep it and still be marryable. And yes I want to get married I would love a boy and a girl one day.

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      • A very savvy and sneaky girl can fuck around and get away with it without lowering her man snagging abilities. In fact such a girl seems to only have her man snagging abilities grow along with her cock count.

        You don’t sound like that kind of girl.

        Could be the better strategy for you to honestly be what the conservative man wants to purchase.

        Again – everyone has a stake in advising you in a way that is to their advantage.

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      • CuriousGirl

        Sorry. I’m at work and trying to look busy, my bad. I think I will like sex from what I know about it, it felt good, but I don’t want to lower my value as you guys say. So it’s hard to keep it and still be marryable. And yes I want to get married I would love a boy and a girl one day.

        you sound like a girl with a degree of morality. are you the type that values one solid commitment – over numbers, no matter the satisfaction you get

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      • Why don’t you take your dick out of your father’s ass? Maybe he wants a little down time with your Mom while he’s carpet-munching.

        Faggot.
        MOUT.

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      • Don’t get distracted by what powers you

        It’s obvious you meant to post this rant at in mala fide.

        So, quit 69’g with ferdinand and focus.

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  77. “…but I think he just wants to have sex with me probably.”

    Sweetie, they probably all do. LOL If you are young and pretty, and conservative minded I think you’ll find someone. Do you do any volunteer work or belong to any political groups? Take a class in something that you like and men like.

    Oh, and love is not overrated. When you really love and trust someone, sex is beyond incredible. Guys who tell you otherwise are just trying to get you to slut it up. Value yourself. 🙂

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    • Oh, and love is not overrated. When you really love and trust someone, sex is beyond incredible.

      Someone made a comment here a few weeks ago that struck my bell. She said that she enjoys sex with her man, because of how obvious it is that her man is enjoying sex.

      That prompted me to let go even more than usual lately in just getting off, and being vocal about it, lately. By getting off I also mean getting off on how much I love my girl, not just the physical arousal. Romantic and erotic sex, where my pleasure mingled with appreciation mingled with lust and love. Sex that lovers have. I worried less about her while getting off on her more.

      Strangely she has reciprocated by being more into getting me off. And strangely this is leading her to getting of more.

      Yesterday she had a wonderful long full body orgasm that I could tell was infused with megawatts of love. She squirmed from head to toe and gave out the most exquisite sounds of love/pleasure.

      And she’s been telling me lately how she is opening up more in love, and feeling loooovvvee love love.

      I know that some girls won’t even begin to come until they are in love.

      Ok – but here’s the flip side.

      Some girls don’t have romance as the doorway to their orgasms. Some really rock on face slapping and other forms of violent dominance. And from that erotic gateway their heart opens. Rather than from their heart their erotic gateway opens.

      So while sex with love is not to be under-valued, there is no one size fits all equation. Sex without love can, for some women, be fucking fantastic.

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    • Thanks Lainey. I just don’t want to end up at 30 and wonder why I didn’t find someone. I really like volleyball so maybe I could join a rec club or would that be too much of a boy thing?

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      • Explat that just seems like tmi for me, can’t answer because it’s a little embarrassing. I know you’re a guy though and that’s a guy thing.

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      • CuriousGirl,

        Its a bit tricky the age thing. B/C many people who marry young typically divorce later at higher rates than those who marry a little older. However, in the dating arena most males in the marriage ages of 30-40 are *typically* looking to marry women in their 20’s. Not all the time but usually. So you have to weight the options. Plus being so young at 22 I find you still have so much more to experience and learn before jumping into marriage. I think late mid to late 20’s is ideal for most women to marry b/c by then you have a true idea about who you are, what you want most for yourself and from your partner, still within the optimal ranges for child bearing, , and you are still within the range that most marriage minded men seek for mates. Give yourself at least 4-5 more years I would think would be best.

        Its a good thing you are aware of this early. I wasn’t and lost a lot of my youth not knowing this.

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  78. Maaan!! I’m alll cockblocked out!!! next please. 🙂 hehe!!

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    • You rang, dear?

      muamuahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

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      • Have to admit, I got help with this one. hehe!! you’ll know this one, I’m sure!
        maahahahhahahhahahhahah!!

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      • Heh. An oldie! Well, I was going to post a song but I found this old footage of a cameraman in the presence of lions. Check out his facial expression:

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      • lol, giggled hee hee, lol, giggled hee hee. He looked like he was going to pee his pants, held his breath and stood there like a robot! hahahhah!!!

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  79. brasil61,

    Thanks for the neecy/crumptness question. The comment thread took a productive turn.

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  80. “Some girls don’t have romance as the doorway to their orgasms. Some really rock on face slapping and other forms of violent dominance. And from that erotic gateway their heart opens. Rather than from their heart their erotic gateway opens.”

    Who says great sex with the one you love is always romantic? A lot of time it is rough, and to be honest some of us girls like it much better because it’s pretend, we are completely safe and trust our man. We know the guys isn’t going to kick us out and treat us like trash. He’s gonna cuddle right up and say, “You still got it, baby.”

    But you are right some girls do like anonymous hook ups more. I don’t think Curious does though and neither do I. 🙂

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  81. why do some posts here need “moderation” and some don’t? automated mangina detection with fuzzy logic?

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  82. Could we have a break from the discussion of fat chicks. (This discussion is beyond tedious and is spoiling the blog).

    How about a simple rule for the Chateau: NFC (no Fat chicks).

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  83. heartiste old chap
    wtf is up with the fuckt reply system
    first its changed to a reply system…
    Now, it puts them at the end of the article

    quit fucking supermodels
    blog dedication is your duty

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  84. Grunt Grunted:

    They are intimidated by your inner beauty.

    And upper arms.

    Firepower

    Textbook example of
    a bad neg

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  85. LOL YAY O BRUNHILDE!!!!

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  86. […] Heartiste – ““What Are You Thinking About?”“, “The Reluctant Cockblock” […]

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  87. You lot go on and on about hitting the wall. You guys do realise that, with the proper lifestyle, started early enough, you never actually have to hit it at all.

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    • Unless I missed that Aubrey de Grey made tremendous advances in the past month, you can delay it for a significant time, but not avoid it.

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      • No, seriously. You can avoid it. It just takes one HELL of a lot of effort and commitment from a young age, which is why most people don’t bother :-/

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      • Oh, well, actually you’re right about ‘a significant time’. When I say you can avoid it, that’s perhaps an exaggeration, UNLESS you live to around 70-75 and no longer. Obv. beyond that and it’s a different kettle of fish altogether.

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      • Say more, how do I avoid it? Specifics please!

        🙂

        Because I have a wimpy Jewish liver and also not the greatest lungs, I can’t smoke or drink pleasurably. I know girls a couple years younger than me (around 21-22) who look five to seven years older because of excessive alcohol and cigarette consumption.

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      • So, you’re about 24? Not too late then! It’s all about sun protection, really- the sun causes 80% of your skin’s aging, if not more. Thing is, protecting from the sun is WAYYY easier said than done. I won’t go into specifics here because it will take forever- tell me your email and I’ll drop you a line at a later point? You have to be dedicated though; literally, it requires a total lifestyle overhaul, and a lot of sunscreen research….
        Obv. your diet plays a role to some extent, as well as genes, and sure your menu needs changing too. But nothing comes close to the sun’s role. If you tanned a lot when you were younger, a lot of damage may already be done, but if you’ve stayed more or less out of the sun, you might be ok. But as I said, it’s more complicated than what I’ve said so far 😛

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      • Sunscreen is pretty simple. Avoid everything that is sold in the US and go for the European versions of La Roche Posay SPF50 face, Anthelios SPF50 Face or Nivea SPF50 Light Feeling (to name the majors, there are cheaper alternatives that work just as well if you know what to look for, personally I am partial to Boots Soltan SPF 50 Face)

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      • I really am interested. As proven by my newly minted gmail:

        [email protected]

        I’m so pale that when I do wear makeup, it has to be specially formulated for me – Clinique N-1 porcelein is too dark. Never had a bad sunburn and been wearing daily spf-30 since I was 18.

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      • Yeah, you’ll be a pretty corpse at 40 or a crooked, rickety hag from the neck down by avoiding sunlight and wearing high SPF sunscreen all the time. This is the real reason most people don’t go through all that. Some of us would like to still be able to walk at 50.

        Just learn to be okay with aging. It’s going to happen one way or another.

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      • Hannah, if that is American made sunscreen, read up on the European versions of it – the filters allowed by the FDA in the US frankly aren’t worth much at all. Ideally chemical sunscreens should be based on Tinosorb M/S (just about every European chemical sunscreen) or one of the Mexoryl (L’Oreal group) filters. If you are limited to US ones, the Neutrogena Helioplex ones are comparably decent

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      • I love witnessing chicks talk genuine girl game. So much better than a gaggle of feminists gathered around the rape quilt discussing how to grow dicks. There is hope yet for the future.

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      • I couldn’t reply to your post below about sunscreens.

        It depends whether you wear makeup or not- if you do, it can make things tricky, as you can’t reapply. Thus you have to go for the physical blockers that aren’t micronized. Of course, this leads to a whole host of new problems (oiliness, a white cast, etc.) I’d reccommend formulating your own in you can.

        Then you have to consider that, very recently, the infrared and visible parts of the light spectrum have been found to cause some aging. From what I’ve read so far, it probably doesn’t count THAT much towards the 80% figure, but nonetheless it is still an area requiring research. The only sunscreen available that claims to block the entire spectrum is Fallene Total Block, which is very expensive once you think about reapplying and stuff 😦

        Oh, and there’s all the problems associated with the chemical filters too, which I’m sure you have a vague idea of?

        I tried Anthelios, but it was waaaay to greasy for me, and then I heard about the infrared/visible light conundrum and I’m gonna switch to Fallene. Ack, it’s a headache and a half. Basically sun avoidance is the way forward, really….sigh.

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      • Chemical filters may not be perfect (especially standard unstabilized Avobenzone is at best a wash if not harmful but thankfully relatively easy to control) but the physical ones are such a pain to use that I decided them to be impractical – even the light formulation chemical ones are not entirely there (largely they miss water/sweat proofness)

        I can live with Anthelios but the price is insane for what it is – the Boots stuff costs about 1/5 and has a nicer consistency to boot. Too bad I always have to bug some Brit to order it for me…

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  88. Half of what’s posted here either gets stuck in moderation hell or is simply eaten up. Makes it hard to have a conversation. The webmaster is either incompetent, lazy, or trying to micromanage spontaneous discussion.

    Does WordPress have a forum function?

    This blog’s talent has attracted talent to it. Makes me wish the author was less Andrew Sullivan and more Andrew Breitbart: if you facilitate a quality exchange, then quality will rise to the top and will provide the original post with the best possible feedback. Hold tight control over your hobbyhorse issues and watch people lose interest as you start believing your own web traffic and personal paranoias begin reinforcing each other.

    Game/PUA/MRA — all that alphabet soup that heralds the renaissance of men needs a clearinghouse forum. In its absence, we lurk in the underworld of capriciously moderated comment sections and the stunted conversations that result.

    Does anyone know of a more open forum with intelligent commentary? I’m sure there are other sites, but without the regularly excellent original postings that set the tone on this site, the commentary devolves quickly into least-common-denominator garbage.

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  89. Good 1 or 2 years ago, the comments section used to have some real gems, that were as good and some times better than the original post… nowadays it is full of retarded discussions and any good post is buried in there and unaccessible

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  90. German version of the conservative NY Post agrees, in this fresh article, with the German version of the Republican Party on the forced resignation of a 39 year old top male politician for having a perfectly legal affair with a 16 year old:

    http://www.bild.de/politik/inland/dr-christian-von-boetticher/schleswig-holstein-cdu-hoffnung-sex-mit-16-jaehriger-jetzt-spricht-das-maedchen-19399692.bild.html

    The so-called journalist/editor/publisher states that “it isn’t legally wrong but it’s morally wrong of course.”

    No, not “of course”.

    54% of readers disagreed in the poll under the article.

    What’s super dangerous here is that, if the White Knighting male party elites around the world and the old conservative women in the right wing parties can demand that a conservative male politician resign without a recall election on something like this, then the legislatures of the world will only have the type of “people” who would vote to criminalize men for their heterosexual preferences (in this case raise the age of consent with this guy’s vote undemocratically replaced by the vote of someone more compliant to the will of the older women).

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  91. on August 15, 2011 at 12:48 pm Anonymous Jew

    Neecy’s fugly.
    Maya’s a troll.
    Nicole’s fat.

    Normally on a blog like this I’d say pics or gtfo, but in this situation I’m just sad I clicked your avatars.

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    • I’ve posted repeatedly that I’m fat and 41 years old. If you clicked, you deserve the astigmata.

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      • on August 18, 2011 at 11:20 am You're-a Psycho

        well what the fuck are you doing here you fat mole? don’t you have any kids or cats you could be taking care of? what a pathetic life for a tubby old hag

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      • Don’t you have better women to talk to than tubby old hags?

        I’ve survived and thrived in spite of things that would render your hypersensitive narrow behind wheelchair bound rolling an IV on the left, a catheter on the right, and an air tank in the back.

        Now run along before your mommy catches you.

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  92. For what it’s worth and I recognize I don’t have much influence here I like King A’s presence – it adds integrity to the site.

    I also agree with some who say the infiltration of women here and discussions are annoying. I am a women, and really not trying to say I’m better than, but I think we used to be more respectful of what this blog was about. I also think the host used to intervene and put us in our rightful place. I wonder if this is a way for it to die out?

    Please no more talk about babies, periods or other women crap – I can get that somewhere else.

    Nicole, I’m curious. You used the same picture in 09′ when I first landed here. You said you were eating very much like a Primal diet if I recall – you said sugar was bad – how is the journey going? I’m guessing you’ve arrived at your goal weight after two years? If not, I’m curious? Many of your posts revolve around weight – you yourself admit that fat people are unattractive – why the effort here on this site to convince people that fat women can be screwed and not spend the effort to get hot? Forgive me if you’ve met your objective, I may have missed that.

    I say that because I did put in a lot of effort after discovering what men really want. They are visual creatures first and foremost. I used basic genetic material and continue to work myself into a hotter version. Have I arrived? No, but I don’t turn men off, in fact I turn heads because many women are fatter and have let themselves go. I internalized what I learned here. I saw past the unhappy douche bags (yes there are some of you here), and realized that the truth was being told here. Men don’t like fat. The men who do have settled or are the very rare fat fetishes.

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    • Aoefe, why do you have issues with someone pointing out that getting a dick is not an accomplishment?

      …and what makes you think that men with skinny women aren’t settling in their way too?

      You know any perfect women?

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    • I am a women, and really not trying to say I’m better than, but I think we used to be more respectful of what this blog was about.

      Yes, you’ve always come across as respectful and thoughtful. And respectful also of the male communication style on this male predominant blog. Not too chatty, willing to respect reason.

      If a girl is going to hang out in the mens locker room, she needs to not act as if she’s in the women’s locker room. She must respect the space.

      You do that well.

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