Feminists Still Not Getting It, Never Will

McArdle has a follow-up post to her contention that the men women love are girly.

Incidentally, I’m being accused in the comments of engaging in some sort of conspiracy to keep the Beta Man down.

These things are never conspiracies. They’re more like hindbrain blurts.

More on primate theory later, but for now let me point out that as a married woman in her thirties, I have very little possible interest in the behavior of the PUAs; I’m not their target, and they’re sure not mine.

Marriage is no plenury indulgence from the soul ripping cenobite chains of the sexual market. You are being judged always and forevermore, and you are always wishing to be judged in the best light possible, even though you may not have practical reasons for feeling so. Lest you think I’m kidding, tell me what happens to the glowing love your hubby lavishes on you if you bloat up 70 pounds in the next year. Similarly, let’s see how much love — sexually and otherwise — you feel for your husband should he find himself unemployed for years on end and devoting himself to herb gardening. The attentions of the PUA (or, as I like to call them, the freelance seducer) is just a single infidelity away. Don’t tempt disaster by thinking that dropping out of the fuck market is an acceptable lifestyle choice.

To a person with a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail, and to a person with a sociobiology theory, everything starts to look like some primeval competition for resources on the veldt.

The dismissiveness of the anti-reductionist (complicationist? squid inkist?) never ceases to amuse. All your extravagant and high-minded appeals to human rationality, individualism, and exceptionalism are but a coat of desperately hopeful rhetoric concealing the animal motives below. To those with the eyes to see, the veldt is everywhere. Indeed, the veldt is written into the machine code of your brain. The average American woman has a hippo grazing in her brain.

But it’s misleading to claim theory as a sole teacher. Years of messy real world experience and observation endorse sociobiological theory, while the theory offers guidelines to men looking for answers and a plan of attack. Game is, if nothing else, field tested and motherfucker approved. And that’s what gives it credibility, as opposed to the lofty academic discussions that waft like a stale fart across women’s studies departments. Once a tactic stops working, it is jettisoned in favor of something that does work. If a tactic is proven ineffective, it hardly lasts more than a few approaches before being discarded. And with the zoom zoom of the internet, proven tactics are uncovered and disseminated very quickly.

This tendency should be strenuously resisted; not everything fits into a neat primate model, whether your Preferred Primates are bonobos or silverback gorillas.

Human nature can be observed and analyzed to form a working generalizable sociosexual theory without resort to knowledge of the habits of our ape cousins. The fact that there exist those precious special snowflake exceptions that hearten rationalists and equalists alike does not disprove the rules.

My off the cuff observation was a genuine one; this whole thing sounds like what girls used to do.

Yeah, because we all know how much girls try to figure out how to pick up women. And “used to do” — what, have girls suddenly changed their nature in the last few years?

McArdle is conflating the learning process with the execution. For example, a PUA teaches himself how to walk and stand and motion such that he signals nonverbal alpha dominance which is universally attractive to women, and this process may sound odd to women accustomed to imaging courtship as something magical that “just happens”. But once the PUA is “in set” and executing his game plan it will all seem natural and unforced to the woman if he is doing it right. She won’t be thinking “oh how girly he is”; instead, she’ll be thinking “wow, this guy is kinda cute and really cool”. (“Cute” being the internationally accepted girl code for describing any man — cute or otherwise — they are attracted to but unable to verbalize exactly why they are attracted.)

And in fact, at some level the PUAs have to know that it’s not really particularly manly.

Men use many tactics to attract women. It’s just the socially approved ones that transfer wealth from men to women, like slaving away in a corporate hellhole and buying dinner at expensive restaurants, that don’t raise the shaming hackles of banal, unreconstructed feminists like McArdle. It happens to be the fact that game is successful because it co-opts a woman’s tools of the seduction trade to use against her. Qualifying? Negging? Teasing? Takeaways? Push-pull? Aloofness? All are tactics that women use naturally in their dealings with male suitors. That perhaps is why game strikes older women as girly; there are indeed elements of femininity in seduction, and it is well known that this is highly attractive to women. The classics of literature abound with examples. The best seducer must get into the mind of his quarry, and to do this requires a level of empathy that is almost transmutative.

In the final analysis, though, I doubt many men getting their dicks wet are gonna fret that they might be perceived as girly by a scornful married feminist.

Why do I think this?

Because you’re a masculine woman? nttawwt.

Because if your girlfriend (however temporary) caught you mimicking Tom Cruise in front of the mirror, or spending your spare time trolling message boards for magic tricks to impress women with . . . well, would she be more enamored, or would she slither out of bed in disgust and start looking for her clothes?

The mirror thing is a red herring. No freelance seducer spends his waking hours posing in front of a mirror to get his stance right. That’s the domain of bodybuilders. Dominant body language can be learned by observing alpha males in the field. As for reading online seduction material, I was once discovered by a girlfriend to be reading one of those forums. Looking over my shoulder, she asked me what it was about, and I explained it exactly as it was, describing the science of human social dynamics and male female psychological differences. I didn’t cringe in embarrassment or apology like some weaker betaboys would have. I was matter of fact. She became intrigued and read along with me. The only slithering that night was her receiving my meaty intrusion.

I am not against people attempting to upgrade their social skills, nor am I horrified at the thought that “beta” males will somehow sneak into the gene pool; after all, I live in the city often called “Hollywood for Nerds”.

Beta is a state of mind that can be found anywhere. It is anhedonic. Game is the cure.

But the combination of artificiality, superficiality, and manipulation in the PUA manifestos makes it really hard not to snicker.

Ok. So her beef with game can be best summed up in this:

Artificiality — makeup, zit medicine, pushup bras, high heels, wrinkle creams, nail polish, botox, bikini wax.

Superficiality — Lavish adherence to fashion and culture trends, consumption of celebrity gossip, fascination with the supernatural and occult, upholders of PC shibboleths, ingrained sexual preference for tall men, lantern jawed men, and high social status men.

Manipulation — Making a guy wait for sex, wearing sexy clothes and pretending to be offended when he notices, flaking on dates, coyness, not picking up the phone on the first or second ring, expecting paid-for drinks on dates, shit testing.

I wonder if McArdle is aware she has indicted her own gender?

By the way, the manipulation criticism is one I hear all the time from detractors of the crimson arts. It’s a tawdry conceit. All goal-oriented communication — verbal or nonverbal — is a form of manipulation. When a woman advertises her cleavage she is manipulating men to do her favors or otherwise impress her. When a man works hard at his job to buy a nice car and house he is manipulating women’s attraction mechanisms. When both refrain from picking their noses or farting in public they are manipulating people’s impressions of them. McArdle and her ilk need to get over this manipulation mental roadblock they construct to assuage their feelings of lost power. If seduction is manipulation, then women don’t want guileless entreaties. The spread pussy speaks louder than the snickering blog post.

A reframe: if soccer is the beautiful sport, seduction is the beautiful manipulation. The herculean efforts required of the vast majority of men to seduce women that strike McArdle as unseemly and calculating when compared to the relatively easy go of it women in their prime years have when setting about to seduce men is just a reflection of the biological inequality between the sexes in their value on the sexual market. Sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive, and all that. McArdle is mistaken to assume this disparity in degree of mating effort caused by intrinsic sex differences is proof of men’s venality or women’s nobility.

(We will return to our regularly scheduled programming of learning about actual game, rather than jawboning about its cultural significance, tomorrow.)





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  1. Well put.

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  2. Second that. Very well put. Women hate that we have figured them out. Once they lose mystery they lose their uniqueness. Thus the ugly ones can get weeded out because no one will go for them if we know how to get the hotter girl. It’s like I always say.

    “Pussy has no face, but my dick has pride”

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  3. Roissy, I want a child from you!

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  4. “And that’s what gives it credibility, as opposed to the lofty academic discussions that waft like a stale fart across women’s studies departments.”

    Ha ha ha ha. What a great line.

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  5. so once the going got tough, going jane galt?

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  6. if a girl isn’t trying to manipulate me (makeup, pushup bras, etc) then she isn’t attractive. and vice versa.

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  7. PLease include a Roissy comic drawing. 🙂

    (We will return to our regularly scheduled programming of learning about actual game, rather than jawboning about its cultural significance, tomorrow.)

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  8. “(We will return to our regularly scheduled programming of learning about actual game, rather than jawboning about its cultural significance, tomorrow.)”

    No, please continue. I just made a fresh batch of Redenbacher’s. Watching a blogosphere bien pensant having her ass handed to her is too much fun.

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  9. “The average American woman has a hippo grazing in her brain.”

    Genius.

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  10. on July 14, 2010 at 10:39 am 9, The Editor

    Oh-my-gosh…

    this is getting a post on my blog. I HAVE TO HONOR THIS!

    I love it! It is going under my “evils of femnisim” category.
    thelp999

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  11. Meh. No matter what is said, this harpy will keep blathering. Ignore and proceed.

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  12. This is a good retort, but McArdle is not exactly a worthy adversary on this particular subject. She’s been a pretty good writer on economics, from what I recall, but she obviously hasn’t thought about this subject much; her objections are quite glib and superficial, and show a lack of understanding of the viewpoints, theory, etc. behind game.

    of *course* everything is the veldt. the conscious mind, all our education and civilization and intelligence and ego, is like the 5% of the iceberg above water, that we are aware of; our deepest motiviations and instincts can be traced to natural selection (survival of the organism) or sexual selection (passing on the genes). Mostly the latter.

    it’s one thing to understand Game and dismiss it; it’s another to caricature it and dismiss it. McArdle does the latter, which is why her comments probably didn’t deserve two lengthy retorts from the Chateaumeister.

    your bit at the end about the vast natural difference in courtship efforts between men and women is a very good one, and not made often enough. women generally have no idea what it’s like to be us.

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  13. Women hate Game only until their vaginas start tingling over the guy using Game.

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  14. amazingly, libertarianesque girls who are otherwise very competent on matters of economics and policy always have the most batshit retarded views on male/female dynamics

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  15. The response by small e is related to an aspect of game that has not been broached. Kid game. Whether male or female we are attracted to signals of biological quality. Game and female use of make-up etc. are tools used to enhance these qualities. Ones children, however, are honest signals. They are hard to mask.

    Children are therefore great sources of information concerning a person’s biological quality. Given this, if one chooses, they could run Kid game. Women will be attracted to men who have children of high biological quality (beautiful girls and natural alpha boys). This is one reason why parents get such a rush of self-esteem when their children are publicly successful.

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  16. The dismissiveness of the anti-reductionist (complicationist? squid inkist?) never ceases to amuse. All your extravagant and high-minded appeals to human rationality, individualism, and exceptionalism are but a coat of desperately hopeful rhetoric concealing the animal motives below. To those with the eyes to see, the veldt is everywhere. Indeed, the veldt is written into the machine code of your brain. The average American woman has a hippo grazing in her brain.

    it’s a good measure of a person to observe whether they accept a certain paradox in a dignified manner. and the paradox is this: things other than sociobiology and biomechanics, etc., exist. they do. the good exists and rationality exists, and so on (though i’m less butch on the idea of exceptions per se). they exist and they color our lives. and people who are preoccupied with discussing them are insecure and seeking desperately to cover up, and ought to be thrown off a cliff for the good and health of the tribe. there, see what i did? the good is back in a tribal, community context, and it’s the mccardles of the world that are sinning against it.

    another major objection in the thread of mccardle’s original article was that game gives away its pathology and malevolent purpose because it doesn’t speak to maintaining stable relationships. to quote dumb and dumber, “au contraire, bonjour!” the revelations of this pursuit are perhaps the only explicit documentation of what’s basically necessary to keep relationships stable, exciting, and healthy, even and especially if they also point up where relationships and institutions like marriage can be limited and torturous for those involved. someone should ask mccardle how her husband thrills her, and how he does it without any cultivation and application–direct or indirect, explicit or inexplicit, intended or untinentional–of a personality and habit that is in tune with her own needs and psychology.

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  17. dc: you can generalize this as “libertarians have batshit retarded views on most matters biomechanical.” HBD, Game, etc.

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  18. i posted this comment on the last thread, but it probably fits better here:

    i’ve been posting at mcardle’s on this topic for shits and giggles. it’s slow at work and it’s fun debating people with such strong opinions and such little actual knowledge. at the end of the day, though, i have to say, “who cares what anyone else thinks?”

    the efficacy of game is not that you can convince someone that it works. it doesn’t matter how many women swear up and down that such things would never work on them. and it doesn’t matter how many sensitive and “mature” men swear up and down that they respect women too much to manipulate them. the only measure of the effectiveness of game is “did your penis enter her vagina?” and “was she happy about that afterwards?” that’s it.

    there’s only one important question to ask regarding game: does learning and practicing a specific set of behaviors increase the incedence of women finding you attractive? if the answer is yes, then everything else is superfluous.

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  19. As many have commented on this site game concepts are useful to all men – even men in marriage/ltrs – than what is McArdle’s real beef? Her real beefs are (1) that it unmasks women for the hypergamous beings that they are and thus demystifies them. This knowledge alone renders them of less value to any thinking man. Any rational man will reduce the sacrifices he will be willing to make for a woman if she is thought to be of less value. (2) It provides men with tools to manipulate women and thus even the playing field in relationships. Women don’t like men having too many tools:

    The still-hypergamous mother/wife dressing up for the alpha-male interloper, the husband injecting himself before he is cuckolded, the mother seeking to feminize her son and thus render him less attractive than the alpha-male interloper. Its all there in this clip.

    Game is like a gun – it is as good or bad as the man using it.

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  20. on July 14, 2010 at 11:17 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””Marriage is no plenury indulgence from the soul ripping cenobite chains of the sexual market.”””’

    Nice.

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  21. Great post and response.

    But I am curious about your analysis of the female usage of the word “cute?” I haven’t read this blog for that long, so it may be the subject of a previous post.

    It was always my impression that the utterance of the term “cute” was a death sentence when talking with a female that is anywhere in the range of ‘just met at the bar’ to ‘know through a friend and have only interacted with on a few occasions.’ It always seemed to me that she was using the term as a way not to express her unexplainable attraction to you but to express her view that you are already beta in her mind.

    Is there any chance you could discuss your reasoning behind the female use of the word cute or possibly how to respond to a female who uses the term?

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  22. I agree artificiality, superficiality and manipulation are femenine, but how is that suppoused to help her cause? she cant get away with a criticism that states women are naturally worse persons than men

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  23. i like jawboning about cultural significance.

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  24. slaving away in a corporate hellhole”

    Conservatives always complain the government grows too large…but the private sector is only a good deal for big shots/alpha males

    I’m looking for a federal govt job as we speak…

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  25. on July 14, 2010 at 11:26 am Gunslingergregi

    Wow man that was a work of art.

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  26. I have a saying,

    Biology creates Ideology.

    Find me one aging, past her prime, stuck up, pseudo-intellectual, uptight, bitter 37 year old woman who approves of game.

    You cannot. Because it does not benefit her. It does not serve her interest. It is that simple. Everything she thinks and writes is just rationalization, justification, and forced self-delusion.

    Just another example of a smart woman using her powerful brain for stupid things, and not knowing that her emotions are the true driver of her being.

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  27. just checked her pictures, would rate her below 5, which should explain her posts

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  28. Oh bébé, je déteste quand vous vous fâchez et je ne peux pas profiter de vous après.

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  29. on July 14, 2010 at 11:40 am MattinSomerville

    Megan McArdle – Why the long face?

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  30. Plus, wtf is up with a 37 year old woman marrying a 28 year old man. How does that happen, and why does that happen?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/13/fashion/weddings/13mcardle.html

    Peter, bro, what were you thinking? You are an editor at Reason magazine. I expected more from you.

    Or, then again, maybe similar to what I wrote above, this is just another example of a smart man using his powerful brain to do stupid things, and not knowing this his beta fears are the true driver of his actions.

    Peter, don’t be afraid of approaching women. Learn game, my man, practice in front of the mirror, and very soon we will snag you the hot and sexy 23 year old girl you deserve. And then you can dump the old bag.

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  31. “Find me one aging, past her prime, stuck up, pseudo-intellectual, uptight, bitter 37 year old woman who approves of game.”

    Yet these women are the easiest to game. McArdle and her like have the intellectual depth of hippies.

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  32. Umm, McTall’s city, Washington, is know as Hollywood for ugly people, not Hollywood for nerds…

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  33. on July 14, 2010 at 11:45 am greatbooksformen

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    roissy i love you man

    seriously i want 2 see your books on all teh front tables and end aisles at barnes and noble and borders.

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    and the 5 6 inch hottie hottie pre law college studnets goes “What is dis for me?”

    and rossiy goes “it’s my book here let me sign it for you>”
    den he signs it and puts his email in it but not his number as now it is a challenge for her to get his number and get her gina entered by his cock and accept his explosion of semen will make her feel good good good good beofre going off to law school to study how to market subprime loands for ben bernanke and rape men in divorce court and grow old and lonely and bitter with cats but at least there was that niggt she had roissy semen seeping in and out of her gina which hshe will remember fondly to her cats.

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  34. on July 14, 2010 at 11:46 am Gunslingergregi

    And game also seems to attract diversity it attracts everyone all colors shapes sized rich poor intelligence whatever. Pretty wild really. The one area where everyone can talk about something in common to an extent sure might be some friction but in the end a large cross section of men seem to want pussy nothing seems to make that go away.

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  35. I am intrigued that an equalist feminist attempts to shame men for breaking with traditional masculine norms, the very thing which feminists purport to loathe. At the same time, she uses shaming language rather than logic, reinforcing the anti-feminist stereotype that women make emotional appeals rather than reason. Ideological fail.

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  36. Good stuff, Flashman.

    Roissy attracts such a savvy readership.

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  37. on July 14, 2010 at 11:52 am Rant Casey - Brazil

    @ Zammo

    “Women hate Game only until their vaginas start tingling over the guy using Game.”

    In fact they dont hate game. They hate the idea of it.

    ***

    I remember a text by Tyler Durden (that PUA, not the Messiah), saying game is like a “secret society”.

    “You do not talk about Game”.

    ***

    That is… not to them.

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  38. It sounds hilarious that a feminist expects any attempt to define manliness (or un-manliness) to be taken in the slightest bit seriously, especially when her default tone is one of embitterment. Even if she were speaking truthfully, she has not marketed herself well, ideologically speaking. Resentment is repulsive even on a platonic level, let alone on a game level, and only appeals to resentful people.

    Also, feminism and other ‘social constructivism’-type schools of thought are largely made up of people who drew the short straw, genetically and/or socially. Rather than hacking it and striving for whatever room for self-improvement there is, they self-justify, doing the appropriate mental gymnastics to show how they’ve been wronged by society (i.e. white, heterosexual, middle-class, able-bodied males), in order to circumvent any horrible truths about just how unequal nature is, that life is struggle and requires effort and compromise. For them it’s just easier to be passive-aggressive and slap ‘-isms’ on anyone who contravenes the dogma that their ilk has surreptitiously imposed since WW2.

    Funny that after all their atheistic progressivism and general support for evolution theory, they quasi-religiously put humans on a pedestal above the animal kingdom and go “la la la I’m not listening” at the fact that evolution has implications that are politically inconvenient for them.

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  39. on July 14, 2010 at 11:58 am Backdoor Man

    @ Mike at 11:19,

    When I overhear girls whisper to each other that I’m “cute,” I know I’ve set the hook.

    And it spreads….once one girl says it, the others are quick to agree.

    Roissy is right: cute is shorthand for “I’m attracted to him.”

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  40. on July 14, 2010 at 12:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””’Silentbeep
    Also, plenty of straight women don’t wear heels and don’t wear makeup. Megan never said she was against improving social skills. Nothing wrong with that – it’s these specific PUA games that are so vile. Reading a self-help book on dating for straight men (or dating articles in Esquire, Details, whatever) is just not necessarily the same thing as these PUA mindgames.
    ”””’

    So as long as it is from officialy licensed sources it is ok. As long as you have to buy the information that a publisher has control over then yea it is fine. No problemo.

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  41. on July 14, 2010 at 12:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    t””””’heSteveJohnson 20 hours ago

    You know how I express my dislike of women who do things I don’t enjoy as a pickup technique?

    I don’t go out with them.

    How do women express this dislike? They sleep with the guys. Something is pretty wrong in your worldview. ”””””

    Steve Johnson ownage.

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  42. on July 14, 2010 at 12:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””j r 19 hours ago in reply to Jack_Benny

    2 people liked this.

    your comment belies a lack of understanding of both game and women. is there a bigger collective myth than the existence of “some women”? guess what? some women is most women. and chances are that if you knew the sum total of your girfriend’s past experiences, you’d be slithering out of bed in disgust anyway. did did she ever go on spring break? it’s better to just not ask too many questions.

    game is no more and no less inherently sleezy than any thing that any man has ever done to win a woman’s intentions. what it is, however, is more effective. and that can be a little scary. ”””””’

    jr ownage.

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  43. Ah – now I understand where I went wrong yesterday. I took her strawman seriously and made the mistake of defending her assault of said strawman because, well, yeah, her strawman was ridiculous and reprehensible.

    Of course it was – it was a strawman! Logic.

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  44. on July 14, 2010 at 12:13 pm greatbooksformen

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    roissy stands their calmly and =in a fulisade of words an dlogic and reason he blows all contenders away so they go sulking back to their betahusbands and cats lzozlzllzlzlz

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  45. Backdoorman,

    Actually I agree, if the whisper it to each other; other otherwise mention the term outside of your presence. However, I guess I was referring to the face to face, “you’re cute” comment.

    And looking back at the posting, I would say I misread it. If she has an internal dialogue with herself saying “this guy is cute” or says it to friends, I would completely agree; and that seems to be what Roissy was referring to, no the face to face labelling of cute.

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  46. on July 14, 2010 at 12:22 pm greatbooksformen

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    when you’re on a date know taht the girl is working for the federal reserve & during destert that is ben bernanke or tucker max she is texting… or maybe me lzozllzllzlz

    last chcik i hooked up with shared this rap with me:

    i gots my fiat cash from ben bernake,
    gettin’ my dinner from the herb beta,
    texting GBFM for a midnight spank me,
    i don’t butthex, but i’m no playa hata

    lzozllzllzlzlzl

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    2) she was deosuled in secrteive tpaings of assoccking sessions taped without her conthent which the neocns are fond of lzozlzll
    3) when she texts during dinner she is setting up plans for a midnight assocking sessiomn with an alpha who creates welath from thin air someone like the head of the fed who wires it to goldman sax which rhymes witgh tucker max lozlzllzlzl who gets book deals from women-riun publishing houses like simon ans shcuster lzolzlzl because tehy dleight in his debt-creating debuachery-creating art succeth of losing ten million on a twelve million film as well as his asscocking sessions and secretiev tapings of butthex iwthout their girlsths contehnt which he publishes for both neocon pleaseure and profit lzozlzllz
    4) if you do get married 2 her there is a fifty percent chance it will end in divroce. lolzlzl would you get on airplane if it crashed 50% of the time? lzozlzllzlzlo hell no!! and what if, after it crashed bevcause your wife was fucking some biker drummer mba in teh cockpit (as he put his cock in her cock pit lzozlzl), what if after she cuased it to crash, you had to give her half your assets and begin paying for past use of her pussy? lzozllzllzlzl plus by going down once the plane will have gone down more times than your wife once she is married–dats a joke! lzozlzllzllz
    5) 2/3 to 3/4 of womenz initiate divorce as it transfers a mans assett s to teh fed/divorce regime as womenz are trianed to do in school with promises of her ex husband having to pay alimonies for past use of a pussy and fund and reward her further asscocking sessions tthat hshe hand’t had since college but whcih she missed dearly lzozlzlzloz (once back never back! lzozlzl or once in the back door, nver back! or you make your own joke here lzozllzlzzl i hate puns) she will get full rights 2 the kids and take them with her for her array of step boyfirends/fathers 2 abuse as abuse skyrockets in fmailies where the real dad is absent lzozlzlzlzlzllz, which is why the fiat neooncs detest fatherhood and the heoric spriit zlozllzlzl and love womenz who “tame men” lzozlzlzl and keep them from accessing tehir Natural Rights lzozlzl
    6) rising womenz generlaly make more than men these days as they are paid in fiat dollars which really only create debt and so it is that womenz excel at creating debt and they call this wokr lzolzllzlzlzl so let them buy some fiat dinners and drinks with their fiat dollarz lzozlzll

    seriously do u guys still date?

    i mean i love the laides but they look down on guys who ask them out. lzozllzlzlzlzl

    last chcik i hooked up with shared this rap with me:

    i gots my fiat cash from ben bernake,
    gettin’ my dinner from the herb beta,
    texting GBFM for a midnight spank me,
    i don’t butthex, but i’m no playa hata

    lzozllzllzlzlzl

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  47. on July 14, 2010 at 12:27 pm Rollo Tomassi

    Nothing is more simultaneously threatening and arousing to a woman than a Man who is self-aware of, and outwardly acknowledges his own value. Thus, in order to mitigate this, the feminine imperative had to develop social conventions such a shaming, or the myth of the feminine mystique, to cast doubt on a Man fully realizing his worth. McArdie thinks she’s warning society in some novel way when in fact all she’s doing is parroting back a social convention that’s become a cliché.

    Feminization for the past 60 years has built in the perfect Catch 22 social convention for anything masculine; The expectation to assume the responsibilities of being a Man while at the same time denigrating masculinity. What ever aspect of maleness that serves the feminine purpose is a man’s masculine responsibility, yet any aspect (positive or negative) that conflicts with feminine primacy is labeled Patriarchy and oppressive – or in this instance shameful or ‘girly’ (i.e. the opposite of what should be masculine).

    Essentially this convention keeps beta males in a perpetual state of chasing their own tails. Over the course of a lifetime they’re conditioned to believe that they’re cursed with masculinity (Patriarchy) yet are still responsible to ‘Man Up’ when it suits a feminine imperative. So it’s therefore unsurprising to see that half the men in western society believe women dominate the world (male powerlessness) while at the same time women complain of a lingering Patriarchy (female powerlessness) or at least sentiments of it. This is the Catch 22 writ large. The guy who does in fact Man Up is a chauvinist, misogynist, patriarch, but he still needs to man up when it’s convenient to meet the needs of a female imperative.

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  48. i wish greatbooksformen had been assigned reading in college.

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  49. on July 14, 2010 at 12:33 pm greatbooksformen

    that’s hilarious that the weekly standardth and athlanthic monthly publish such pretentious (although very well spelled) articles lzozlzozzozlzozzll wheras rosiiy si kicking both their asses with afar greter audience and even more importantly staying power lzozlzloo as you see roissy has a soul and speaks from the heart like an artists where charlotte allen and jonah goldberg and megan mcgriddle are far more akin to teh scribes and pharisess who put jesutshs to death.

    lzozlzozozl

    jesus love you roissy. he love mcgriddle and godlberg and allen too, and forgives them lzozlzlzlzlzllz expecially for te neocn fiat wars on foreign shores and repeating the lise like charlotte allen did of sodomites who lie about their heigh t and tape secretiev tapings of butthex without the girlths conthetn and promote and profit off it, which ben bernanke never speaks out against, even though morality ought be the head of the fed’s chief concern as what doth it profit an an to gain the worldand slose his soul?

    z;zozozlzozllzozzozzollzlz

    hey megan mccgriddle all you feminist s just got funded by bilions to desecrate and dbacuh the western heritage which allowed womenz to rise above their animal nature and serve higher goalds and ebtities such as god fmaily children and now you aging silly ladies are complaining that men are now and then descending to womenz debauched levels to gets sums lzozlzlzolzl

    yah yah it doe sfeel good to get one’s cock exploded lzozlzlzozo white explosions lzozlzozlzozozl now and then without always having to pay for it like bernake makes teh beta taxpayer do it whiel he wires fresh monies to goldman asax which rhyme siwth tucker max lzozlzlozzllz

    read my blog ms. mcgriddle about teh matrix and write an exssay about my brillaince that is a good starting poingt as i think you can join me and morpheus and trnity in battling against the machine and butthex matrix lsolzozlzozllzozozlzlz

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  50. Guys,

    Flame me if you must–and I know you must–but the fact that Ms. McArdle’s writings have generated two posts and that the first post generated over 300 responses tells me she hit a nerve. And the inability to let it go, speaks volumes. It’s as though she said, ala Mel Gibson, “You must respond to me — but you will blow me first.”

    Blowing Ms. McArdle is not alpha. Making catty remarks about her looks–well, it is a bit girly…

    Just as a heads-up, I don’t plan on responding to flames or debating my point. Take it fwiw, but IMHO the alpha thing would be to move on. Show me you can be more alpha than I can.

    Carry on…I await the firestorm.

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  51. on July 14, 2010 at 12:35 pm greatbooksformen

    “crazyshoe

    i wish greatbooksformen had been assigned reading in college.”

    reaidng what? butthex manuals like how simon and schuster wires hundres of thousands of dollars to tucker max in fiat dollars after he profits and publsihes stories about secrteive tapings of butthex without the grlths contehnt as simon and shcister is run by bernankified womenz who laud secretive tapings of buthex without the girlths conthent and fiscaly fiat reward it as debt and debauchery is how the fita crats will rule beofre moving on to bankrupt asia zlzozllzlz?

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  52. on July 14, 2010 at 12:38 pm greatbooksformen

    when i become senator this will be my first bieepice of legislation because i know tehre are too many betas out there who are too ocntent to stay in their single moms basemenst mashing meaningless buttons lzozlzlzl instead of finding tehir true fthers like the ocnstitution an dn natural righst

    four score and seven years ago it was and so it will be again lzozzlozzlozozlz

    the bill of men’s rights

    lzozllzllzl every man shall have the right to

    1) a womenz who hasth been butthexed less than 4 times
    2) said 4 times not being done in the same night nor two consecutive nights niether lzozlzl
    3) said butthexing events not being secretly taped without her conthent
    4) no woman shall have a right to her husbands assetts if he comes home and finds her banging the poolboy ontop of his ps3 controller, thusly damaging said controller lzozl that would suck
    5) wehnu ask a women how many poeple she has been with it wil be law that she will have to verbally multiply her anser by 10, and then add at least half the ass cocking sesssions which still count as sexth in certain religions lzozlzlzl
    6) no man shall be made to fund a pussy that it out banging biker drummer cock, nor shall any man be made to pay for past use of a pussy lzozlzlzlz

    i think that if we can pass this men’;s bill of rights into law, 90% of marriages will last lzozl.zlzlzlzlzl lzozllz which is why the butthex congreth and fiat masters will rail against my sublime logic reason phsilophy and religion lzozlzlzzl

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  53. @GBFM: You forgot McGurgle!

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  54. @Tim, Exsplat, Namae and Lily–I answered your posts to me on the “Engaged” thread. Better late than never. My mom is in the hospital, so I may not be able to get back to you as quickly as I might like to. But I will make an effort.

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  55. on July 14, 2010 at 12:40 pm greatbooksformen

    “J

    Guys,

    Flame me if you must–and I know you must–but the fact that Ms. McArdle’s writings have generated two posts and that the first post generated over 300 responses tells me she hit a nerve. And the inability to let it go, speaks volumes. It’s as though she said, ala Mel Gibson, “You must respond to me — but you will blow me first.”

    Blowing Ms. McArdle is not alpha. Making catty remarks about her looks–well, it is a bit girly…

    Just as a heads-up, I don’t plan on responding to flames or debating my point. Take it fwiw, but IMHO the alpha thing would be to move on. Show me you can be more alpha than I can.

    Carry on…I await the firestorm.”

    Hey fuck you J. lzozlzozo I haven’t really read ms.mcgriddle so much but she sounds like a fmeinist nutjob.

    how come she doens’t care for the 50,000,000 womenz aborted killed mriudered since roe vs. wade?

    zlzozozlzlzoz omg ozlzozllzozzo

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  56. A bit OT, but think about this one.

    //Mel Gibson Audio Tape Rant: ‘I Deserve To Be Blown!’//

    If a guy has to say this to a woman, he has already lost the battle.

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  57. How about this for a reductionist proposal to McGurgle: “We’ll stop trying to act like douchebags if you women stop sleeping with real douchebags”.

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  58. on July 14, 2010 at 12:42 pm greatbooksformen

    omg lozlzzozlzozlzlzl

    “Take it fwiw, but IMHO the alpha thing would be to move on. Show me you can be more alpha than I can.”

    lozlzozolzlz you fucktwat roissy is having fun!!!!!!!!

    mcgridle took a shot at men acting like men form the ATLANTINC MOHTMNLY and roissy is calling her out lzozlzozlzlzozozlzlzlzlz

    why the fuck doesn’t mcgridle move on? why can’s teh atlantcial monthly be alphga. lzozlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzl

    catty womenz always take a swipe or two and then tell you to man up and move on zlozlzozlzozozlzozzlzlzozlz

    lzozlzozl

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  59. on July 14, 2010 at 12:45 pm greatbooksformen

    Dave

    How about this for a reductionist proposal to McGurgle: “We’ll stop trying to act like douchebags if you women stop sleeping with real douchebags”.

    no KIDDING!!!!

    WOMEN LIKE PRICSILLLA PAINTON FO SIMON AND SCHUSTER WIRE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF BERNAKE CASH DOLLARS TO TCUKER MAX AND WOMENZE LIKE PRICISPLLLA PAINTON REPEAT HIS LIES THAT HE IS SIX FOOT TALL IN THE PAGES OF THE WEEKLYS STANDADTH!!! LZOZLZLZOZLZLZLZ

    then they say whahaha wahahah wahahaha we want nice guys we want nice guys! why are guys so juvenile? Why do they act like douches?

    BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WOMEN FUND & FUCK!!!!! lzozlzlzozzlozzllzlzlzoo

    And the funny thing is i knw a lot of nice guys who would like 2 be nice guys but have to descend to douches now an dthen just to compete with all the well-fiunded asscockers and secretive tapers of sodomy without tthe gilr’s conthent funded by the womenz lzozlzlzozllz

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  60. @GBFM- why do you think it is, really, that Tucker Max lies about his height?

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  61. game is like a mirror and women have a love-hate relationships with mirrors. when a woman asks you “does my ass look fat in this?” she has no real interest in whether her ass actually looks fat or not. she just wants reassurance that you find her attractive no matter how it looks.

    attraction also functions as a mirror. the method by which a man seduces a woman is a reflection on who that woman is. of course, no woman wants to admit that game works. good thing that whether it works or not has no relationship to whether women admit that it works.

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  62. on July 14, 2010 at 12:48 pm greatbooksformen

    hey megan mcgriddle and chrlotte allen,

    i know you two are reaidng this, so please answer this:

    Why are Female Executives Publishing Tucker Max? Why do you reward him with PR and wire bernankefiatdollars to him hundreds of thousands of dolalrs?

    http://community.feministing.com/2009/09/why-are-female-executives-publ.html

    Dear Ms. Painton,

    I and my colleagues in the ART, FILM & LITERATURE GUILD have a couple questions regarding the direction you are taking Simon and Schuster in. Why are you guys/gals hating on art, literature, culture and America? It was recently brought to our attention that you are intent on publishing Tucker Max’s ASSHOLES FINISH FIRST, and that your company actually gave him a $300,000 advance for his fart art. As the editor in chief of Simon and Schuster, owned the CBS corporation, do you truly believe Assholes Finish First? It is oft said that girls like “bad boys.” Does Tucker’s fart art douchebag wit titillate and excite you? Is that why you are publishing and profiting from it? Did you laugh during Tucker’s recent film flop when what’s-his-name stated that overweight women aren’t real people? Do you smile smugly when your billion-dollar corporation profits from douchebaggery?

    http://community.feministing.com/2009/09/why-are-female-executives-publ.html

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  63. on July 14, 2010 at 12:51 pm greatbooksformen

    maurice

    @GBFM- why do you think it is, really, that Tucker Max lies about his height?

    hey maruice:

    http://www.quotabletuckermax.com/

    scroll down to:

    April 23, 2008

    Height: 6’0″
    screenshot driver’s license Actual height

    lzozllzozzlzll!

    he is using the picture on his book cover and charlotte allen dutifully called hum six feet tall lzozlzlzozozozo

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  64. on July 14, 2010 at 12:54 pm 9, The Editor

    I worked on this earlier this a.m. at my blog, it is cheering in honor of this well done post!

    http://thelp72980.wordpress.com/2010/07/14/all-single-men-must-read-gentlemen-roissys-work/

    thelp999

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  65. @ Doug

    From the many, many pics at her own site, she does have a smokin’ bod. Big tits and ass and hourglass

    To get a more accurate view see the vid I posted above .

    She has a wide, thick waist, and hardly any tits. Straight up and down – not hourglass at all. Her legs are short, proportionally to her body – but eh, she’s asian. What can you do? Her ass is big, but as you can see when she wears leggings instead of dresses – its unshapely and she has thunder thighs. Her arms look okay in the vid, but her wedding photos show she has taken marriage as a license to pork up considerably.

    I’m curious as to why you say big tits? She’s flat (in a muscular, bodybuilder pecs kind of way) in the video. Maybe she recently got bolt-ons as a wedding gift to her husbands? She’s a renovators dream!

    I don’t know what the story is re: that purported wedding photo from elsewhere.

    There is no story. If you google the name of the photographer she advertised on her site, her
    wedding pics
    from ‘elsewhere’ come up.

    Whether you like her face or not depends on whether you like the looks of E. Asian girls.

    I don’t know about that. An attractive face is almost universally accepted as an attractive face. I don’t like East Asian faces, usually – but I can recognise the difference between a pretty
    Asian
    face
    and a homely Asian face.

    With her monster nose, really bizarre eyebrows, flat, oddly shaped moon face , squinty eyes and fat neck, lets just say LILGRL is closer to the unattractive asian you’d see here
    than the attractive asian

    Granted. Of course the criticism is over the top – she’s not the worst looking person in the world. But she seems to think she’s some ravishing beauty – and coming from someone as plain and unremarkable as here, that is much more of an embellishment of the truth than any criticism that any one has directed at her.

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  66. on July 14, 2010 at 12:56 pm Steve Johnson

    Thanks gregi but the overpowering logic of my 3 sentence post was too much for the Atlantic. It now appears to be gone.

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  67. on July 14, 2010 at 12:56 pm greatbooksformen

    fellas

    friend s romans and countrymen, lend me your ears.

    the way ebernankified womenz work is like this:

    they fund and fuck assholes bad boyus lzozlzozlzlzlz

    they then create legislation transferring welath from the good men to make up for all the assckokcing asshole fucking sessions where tehy a=got fucked hard and now h8 men.

    so they get asshole sperm and they get the betas to fund it zlzolzozlzlzozlzlzzo

    a more civil society would not force otehr men to pay for asshole spwan.

    but when women run things they wire lotsa fiat cash to secrteivetapers of sodomy without the girlths content lzozlzlzozlzlzozl and they call this moral ad good for teh gretaer beneift of society lzozlzl as teh fed gets a cut.

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  68. on July 14, 2010 at 1:01 pm greatbooksformen

    how come womenz such as priscilla painton, charlotte allen, and our new friend ms. mcgriddle never question why their coproations wire hundreds of thousands to douchebags who lie about tehir heiaght and publsih an dprofit off of stories of secretive tapings of assxe with out the girl’s conthent?

    instead woemnz wire hundreds of thousands of cash to such men and laud them iand repeat their lies about tehri height in the pages of the weekly standadth.

    and then they bitch and moan when men beign to wake up to the fact of how womenz are running things lzozlzlzozozlzozlzozozolzz

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  69. @AD

    “A bit OT, but think about this one.//Mel Gibson Audio Tape Rant: ‘I Deserve To Be Blown!’//If a guy has to say this to a woman, he has already lost the battle.”

    Not at all OT; it goes to the heart of what manhood is. I’d LOVE to see Roissy deconstruct this one.

    Have you heard all three tapes!?! I say Mel’s Oksana’s bitch. Her game is tight! Not that I admire the golddigging.

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  70. on July 14, 2010 at 1:05 pm greatbooksformen

    the long run, who ya gonna bet on?

    roissy, homer, gbfm, shakesperea, jesuss, and moses, or

    charlottee allen, meghan mcgriddle, priscillla painton, tucker max, and ben bernake?

    lzozozozzlzozoolzozooz

    sure the latter have all teh fiat dollars right now and have the world by the balls

    but what happens

    when

    those fiat dollars

    assume the average value

    of all
    fiat

    currencies

    whcih is zero?

    lzozlzozlzozzlzlzozlzlz

    roissy i luv you you own the future shelves of bookstores lzozllzz

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  71. on July 14, 2010 at 1:10 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””on July 14, 2010 at 12:33 pm J
    Guys,

    Flame me if you must–and I know you must–but the fact that Ms. McArdle’s writings have generated two posts and that the first post generated over 300 responses tells me she hit a nerve. And the inability to let it go, speaks volumes. It’s as though she said, ala Mel Gibson, “You must respond to me — but you will blow me first.”

    Blowing Ms. McArdle is not alpha. Making catty remarks about her looks–well, it is a bit girly…

    Just as a heads-up, I don’t plan on responding to flames or debating my point. Take it fwiw, but IMHO the alpha thing would be to move on. Show me you can be more alpha than I can.

    Carry on…I await the firestorm.

    ”””””””’

    Well it is not so much that she posted about game blablabla
    Just look at the asthetic beauty of the posts in response to her post. The pure ownage is awesome to read. Then ya have this post which is nuts. The level of competition from manginas is amazingly inept and not one comment I saw even brought up alimony from men to woman. But yea also being able to rebut everything someone says and going into their soul and making a tear is pretty cool too.

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  72. on July 14, 2010 at 1:10 pm Steve Johnson

    Ah, it’s still there, just slid off the main page.

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  73. Even in my beta/AFC days, I always thought it was laughable when women would say their relationships/courtships/seductions “just kind of happened.” The stars were always aligned just perfectly for them, weren’t they?

    As I learned the art of seduction I realized that to a woman, it does all seem to just happen, while to a man it’s effort, planning, trial and error. Women don’t want to see the inner gears of a machine, they just want to enjoy the delicious product it spits out. It takes away some due credit for men to have all our work chalked up to “fate”; then again, when we’re balls-deep we’re not likely to complain about it.

    However I often wonder how women who are educated with medical degrees or law degrees still still see romance? They’ve been trained to analyze and deal with facts and data and accept truths based on empirical evidence. Do they discard these practices when being swept off their feet? Probably.

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  74. greatbooksformen: reaidng what? butthex manuals like how simon and schuster wires hundres of thousands of dollars to tucker max in fiat dollars after he profits and publsihes stories about secrteive tapings of butthex without the grlths contehnt as simon and shcister is run by bernankified womenz who laud secretive tapings of buthex without the girlths conthent and fiscaly fiat reward it as debt and debauchery is how the fita crats will rule beofre moving on to bankrupt asia zlzozllzlz?

    i didn’t mean to suggest that your writing has anything like the grip and quality and brilliance of the lauded texts my egalitarian professors assigned. nothing has helped me or enhanced my perception more than the insight i derived from listening to fat jews expound aristotle as a new deal democrat or gay historians interpret lgbt history. spending about $40,000 a year was a unique thrill and privilege as well. maybe your writing would not have fit so well into the curriculum or turgid mode of idiomatically academic expression? yet for me your prose still carries a little gem of chekhovian brilliance. i heard someone say that on npr a few days ago and it sounds good.

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  75. on July 14, 2010 at 1:24 pm Steve Johnson

    “However I often wonder how women who are educated with medical degrees or law degrees still still see romance? They’ve been trained to analyze and deal with facts and data and accept truths based on empirical evidence. Do they discard these practices when being swept off their feet? Probably.”

    As Morpheus said in the Matrix:

    “There’s a difference between knowing the path and walking the path”

    Women who go to law school and med school know the path of using logic to map a course from A to B but it’s mostly men will really walk the path of using a plan to get from point A to their goal.

    In fact, a woman who is too obvious about using her most valuable assets (hint: not her mind) to achieve her ends will be denigrated a gold-digger or mercenary. Why? Because it’s a masculine trait and masculine traits in women aren’t sexy.

    And we get right back to the start. A woman who uses logic to analyze dating is too obviously mercenary and no man trusts a mercenary woman. What does a woman have to do? Deride the whole idea of logic in courtship. If it’s all magical, then she won’t just ditch you when she gets a better offer.

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  76. on July 14, 2010 at 1:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””Steve Johnson
    Thanks gregi but the overpowering logic of my 3 sentence post was too much for the Atlantic. It now appears to be gone.

    ”””””

    Ahh yes the old woman can say whatever the fuck they want and then cannot handle a rebuttle. They have to delete posts lol

    Then for a place they can’t control why not try the old shaming language. Can’t come up with a retort can’t base shit in reality just good old shaming mechenizms.
    What a world we live in.

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  77. on July 14, 2010 at 1:33 pm Steve Johnson

    gregi-

    I noticed that it’s still there but it slid off the main page.

    Wouldn’t have been surprised to find myself getting deleted but have to give credit to the McArdle for not doing it.

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  78. Steve Johnson said “There’s a difference between knowing the path and walking the path”

    “And we get right back to the start. A woman who uses logic to analyze dating is too obviously mercenary and no man trusts a mercenary woman.”

    Agreed.

    Not just no man but no woman too. It’s associated with being a golddigger, cold and calculating.

    I read an ebook recently for women and using online dating to get married or LTR rather than flings, I put it down (not literally obviously) halfway through. It contained the sort of guidelines that I know would probably work, but I don’t really want to learn them. I don’t want to be that type of person. It’s tough enough managing/fighting natural manipulation tendencies, let alone learn a whole new set 🙂

    Interestingly the book was written by an eastern european woman and the guidelines were exactly the sort of thing that I associate with them in terms of how they deal with men. I don’t have any as friends.
    (the ones that I have come across, I don’t want to denigrate a whole load of women across the board from my personal experiences!)

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  79. Dave and Rollo, you may appreciate this:

    “We face a culturally entrenched enemy who is irredeemably vicious, vindictive, fat-headed, morally shallow. . . and commands a very large political power base! Appealing to their reason, or their better nature, is entirely useless and shall continue to reap a harvest of futility. They will NEVER change unless some outside agency acts forcefully upon them. Only if we galvanize large numbers against them will they ever learn to know shame, embarrassment, and above all fear; only then will they mend their arrogant disposition and comport themselves with plain and simple human decency.”

    More here.

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  80. on July 14, 2010 at 1:42 pm greatbooksformen

    “crazyshoe

    greatbooksformen: reaidng what? butthex manuals like how simon and schuster wires hundres of thousands of dollars to tucker max in fiat dollars after he profits and publsihes stories about secrteive tapings of butthex without the grlths contehnt as simon and shcister is run by bernankified womenz who laud secretive tapings of buthex without the girlths conthent and fiscaly fiat reward it as debt and debauchery is how the fita crats will rule beofre moving on to bankrupt asia zlzozllzlz?

    i didn’t mean to suggest that your writing has anything like the grip and quality and brilliance of the lauded texts my egalitarian professors assigned. nothing has helped me or enhanced my perception more than the insight i derived from listening to fat jews expound aristotle as a new deal democrat or gay historians interpret lgbt history. spending about $40,000 a year was a unique thrill and privilege as well. maybe your writing would not have fit so well into the curriculum or turgid mode of idiomatically academic expression? yet for me your prose still carries a little gem of chekhovian brilliance. i heard someone say that on npr a few days ago and it sounds good.”

    lozlzozlzlz

    do you wirte for the utne reader or what?

    ” spending about $40,000 a year was a unique thrill and privilege as well.” –ben bernanke talking points lzozlzl

    ;zpozlzlzlzl

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  81. @GBFM- and what is the meaning of the fact that Tucker Max rhymes with Goldman Sachs? Is this a deliberate move on the part of the butthexing fiat masters? Or just a coincidence?

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  82. @ Steve Johnson

    “In fact, a woman who is too obvious about using her most valuable assets (hint: not her mind) to achieve her ends will be denigrated a gold-digger or mercenary. Why? Because it’s a masculine trait and masculine traits in women aren’t sexy.”

    So whio has the bigger set, Mel or Oksana? i say Oksana. In fact, I damn near tingle for her.

    “A woman who uses logic to analyze dating is too obviously mercenary”

    So, how do you suggest a gal stay off the cock carousel
    if she doesn’t use her head?

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  83. @ Lily

    “I don’t want to be that type of person.”

    Me neither. And yet men love them. Crime does pay.

    “the book was written by an eastern european woman and the guidelines were exactly the sort of thing that I associate with them in terms of how they deal with men.”

    Wow, color me surprised! Yet what is the feminine ideal on this blog? EE women.

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  84. @ Maurice. Funny post!

    When it comes to the butthexing fiat masters, there are no coincidences.

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  85. on July 14, 2010 at 1:57 pm greatbooksformen

    “@GBFM- and what is the meaning of the fact that Tucker Max rhymes with Goldman Sachs? Is this a deliberate move on the part of the butthexing fiat masters? Or just a coincidence?”

    lozozlzlozzlzl

    i’m no conspiracy theorists so i dunno
    4 sure, but

    all i’s gottsa say is that sometng must be ogoing on with someone high up in the office/matrix as beranke rhymes with spank me lzozlzllzzozozo

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  86. greatbooksformen: do you wirte for the utne reader or what?

    not yet. can you get me in? got connections?

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  87. hey barbbabs,

    are you sexy?

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  88. sorry for the misspelling, barabbas.

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  89. @yohami

    “I agree artificiality, superficiality and manipulation are femenine, but how is that suppoused to help her cause?”

    I think she was saying that she sees traits that are negatively and stereotypically associated with women as also being typical of PUAs.

    Not an invitation to debate. Just how I read her and an answer to your question.

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  90. on July 14, 2010 at 2:11 pm greatbooksformen

    “crazyshoe

    greatbooksformen: do you wirte for the utne reader or what?

    not yet. can you get me in? got connections?”

    i dunno man but if you want to get a few hundred grand of bernanke dollars form prscilla painton’s simon and shcuster and get charlote allen to hype your succeth and height of your schoosing in teh pages of teh neoocn weekly standardth,

    1) secretly tape a butthex session without a girlsths conthent
    2) publish and profit off it
    3) lie about your height zlozlzzzlzloz

    and you wil be well on your way inthef=bernake/mcardle/allen/goldberg fiat buttheixng matrix lzozlzlo and will receive many a fiat dollar for your divine duty well perfomred lzozlzozzll

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  91. on July 14, 2010 at 2:13 pm greatbooksformen

    hey pupu chuute

    lotsa cocka for da ladies lzozlzlzozlzlzoo

    my cocka is so long dat i need to text a girl during sex bcasue she can’t hear me saying “oh dat feels good yah yah” is how locng my cocka is lzozlzlzl

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  92. on July 14, 2010 at 2:13 pm Steve Johnson

    Lily –

    “Not just no man but no woman too. It’s associated with being a golddigger, cold and calculating.”

    I don’t really think this applies to men.

    Two things:

    1) Most men’s most lucrative skill isn’t going to be “get paid by women for sex”. For most women, this isn’t true: they will do best (financially) by having sex directly for money or indirectly (marriage).

    2) The few men out there who can live off of women in exchange for sex have no problems with any women at all. Women don’t really warn each other about guys like this (ever heard “look out girl, he’s after your money”?) and don’t single them out for scorn. In fact, they seem to be quite happy to find a guy like this.

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  93. on July 14, 2010 at 2:16 pm Hugh Hendry

    You will like this post with lots of data from OkCupid:

    http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/2010/07/07/the-biggest-lies-in-online-dating/

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  94. on July 14, 2010 at 2:20 pm greatbooksformen

    lozlzlzozlzlzozlzolzo

    i would give anying to know what ms mcgriddle is thinkinga bout me and my cocka right now as she reads my words ad for teh first times starts to sense the deeper anture of her balck hole soul .zozozozozlzozlozzlozozz

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  95. “Everything is the veldt.”

    Roissy, you make the point, but miss the larger one (obviously for rhetorical purposes).

    It’s not just feminism that can’t admit that we’re somehow Special and above our instincts. The Left (and the religious right) can’t even admit we have any instincts beyond Eat/Sleep/Sex.

    Humans have to be special – like a hot air balloon, above it all, observing it with cool, detached, reasoning Specialness.

    Because if this isn’t true – if indeed, we’re just a large complex animal with multiple sets of conflicting biological programs and the illusion of rational independence – then a whole host of things become difficult, if not impossible.

    Things like social prefectability. Like equalism.

    Equalism becomes not just difficult to attain – it becomes impossible to attain, or even to reasonably aspire to.

    The raging wildfires of difference in sexual desire and behavior between men and women highlights this most obviously.

    McArdle doesn’t realize it, but she’s shaming men who want to seem “Masculine” by any definition – because she has no response to Game. Her entire world-view is shaken by the naked existence of something like Game, something that says that, especially when it comes to sexual selection and mate choice, we’re really just animals. That all of our behavior can be tagged and filed away in the same way we do with gorillas or basset hounds.

    That doesn’t undermine just feminism. It undermines an entire carefully constructed world-view.

    And the religious right has just as much resistance to this kind of thinking as the liberal left, if not more.

    In many ways, the two worldviews share more than they dispute.

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  96. on July 14, 2010 at 2:22 pm Master Beta

    GBFM – Wait, time out… fiat dollars? People are exchanging goods and services using small Italian cars? No wonder Obama sold Chrysler to them – he needed the Fiats so he could similarly exchange goods and services! It’s all part of Berlusconi’s Alpha plot to convince all the Betas of the world to exchange Fiats for sex!

    That devious bastard!

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  97. REPENT BEFORE THE POWER OF THE BERNANKE FIAT DOLLAR.

    i’m trying it out, greatbooksformen. i like this religion.

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  98. @Mike

    Maybe it’s when a girl likes a guy and calls him cute for lack of a better word.

    But when a cockblocking (or dissaproving “friend”) says to your target “Isn’t he cute?” or “He’s cute isn’t he” it’s a definite red-flag.

    On a side note; why do they call the groom the “bridegroom” these days? That makes the wedding even more about the bride rather than the couple like originally intended.

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  99. on July 14, 2010 at 2:30 pm greatbooksformen

    in god we trust was added to the dollar a few years ebfore it was taken off teh gold standard lozlzzolzozlzozolzozzlzozo

    yah da fiat god

    da fiat jesus we all trust now

    as preachers get lotsa fiat dollars for consercarting teh marriages of the divorce regime which the dovorce regime will use to as srpae man in divorce ocurt and convert fiat debt into physical welath and property wit the hep of deosuled debauched womenz who the fed and pricispcllia paintin at simon of shuster witred lotsa fiat cash to tucer max to desoul the womenz–your future wives–in secretive tapings of tbutthex sodomy iwthout their conthent lzozlzlzozo

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  100. on July 14, 2010 at 2:32 pm Steve Johnson

    J –

    “So, how do you suggest a gal stay off the cock carousel if she doesn’t use her head?”

    Tough question.

    Follow the tingle and you end up on the carousel.

    Pick a beta you don’t tingle for because you want a relationship and neither you nor he will be happy.

    Looks like the only real option is to find a guy who makes you tingle but will commit to you; on the other hand, commitment kills the tingle. After all, in our society any man with options doesn’t need to commit so if he commits you lose tingle.

    To me, it seems like you’re screwed.

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  101. on July 14, 2010 at 2:37 pm Master Beta

    Now here’s an interesting story…
    http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/835067-model-starts-beautiful-people-political-party

    Sanziana Buruiana wants to heavily tax overweight citizens – at a rate of €10 per kilo overweight – and punish anybody making ‘dumb blonde’ jokes.
    ‘Anyone like that needs to be put in prison,’ said the 23-year-old.
    Other key planks of her policy platform include a €100 fine for infidelity, and a law insisting that only models in bikinis are allowed to work as tourist guides, something she suggests would boost Romania’s popularity as a travel destination.

    Think about what this young, hypergamous woman just said. In her idealized, frivolous political world, it’s worse to be more than 25 pounds overweight (over €100 tax) than it is if you sleep with a mistress. This is her “best case scenario”, pre-screened and pre-filtered through the rationalization wheel.

    Folks, we are through the looking glass.

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  102. on July 14, 2010 at 2:40 pm Original JB

    “Looks like the only real option is to find a guy who makes you tingle but will commit to you; on the other hand, commitment kills the tingle. After all, in our society any man with options doesn’t need to commit so if he commits you lose tingle.”

    So the obvious solution is a double-standard in “committed” relationships: men are allowed to have affairs, women keep the tingle, men don’t leave. Everybody wins.

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  103. Hey Gorb,

    “It’s not just feminism that can’t admit that we’re somehow Special and above our instincts. The Left (and the religious right) can’t even admit we have any instincts beyond Eat/Sleep/Sex.”

    This isn’t the first time I’ve noticed this major differences in our world views. You really see people as higher animals. I see people as having animal roots, but also have having minds and, yes, souls–and, therefore the responsibilty to use them to moderate their animal responses to things. You see people as more at the mercy of biology than I do–though I do acknowledge the influence.

    I enjoy your science-based posts, but they never go as far as I think they should IMO. Not a criticism, just an observation.

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  104. on July 14, 2010 at 2:44 pm Blessent mon coeur

    According to Vox Day, she calls herself a libertarian. And voted for Obama.

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  105. on July 14, 2010 at 2:48 pm Original JB

    “Folks, we are through the looking glass.”

    No, actually I think that’s not an entirely unreasonable platform.

    Instead of punishing fat people with a fine, I would sentence them to short periods of hard manual labor (i.o.w. “fat labor camp.”) They lose the weight, we get a pool of workers doing the jobs Americans “are unwilling to do”, everyone wins.

    Punishing for infidelity with a mistress is somewhat misguided. Falling in love with a mistress and leaving your wife should be fined heavily instead.

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  106. Read the wedding announcement closely: “She graduated from the University of Pennsylvania and received an M.B.A. from the University of Chicago.” Now what about her hubby: “The bridegroom….graduated from the University of North Florida in Jacksonville.” In the environment they live (Washington DC “intellectuals”), the second question you get asked is, “Where did you go to school?”. Her’s is major league; Suderman (the husband) is AA farm team for the Cleveland Indians, at best.

    How about Mom and Dad: “She is a daughter of Joan F. McArdle, of Washington and Francis X. McArdle of New York. Her father retired as the managing director of the General Contractors Association of New York. Her mother retired as a real estate broker for Prudential Douglas Elliman, in New York.” Alpha dad (MD of General Contractors!) and mom is probably like Evelyn Harper (Charlie’s mom) from Two and a Half Men (alpha as well). How about hubby’s parents: “His father is a professor of English at Northwest Florida State College in Niceville.” Niceville – the jokes write themselves.

    One recurring theme is that most men are indifferent to female success as a selection criteria (exactly the opposite of women). Ever hear a guy say, “oh, my new girlfriend is a DOCTOR/LAWYER/Etc.?” the way a girl would? So what’s Meagan got? Intelligence and education. And what’s that worth to a 35 year old MD/Lawyer/Lobbyist looking for a wife. Not much. And no offense to Suderman – we can’t all be George Clooney, Steve Jobs, or Richard Feynman. A bit of armchair psychoanalysis: McArdle is both terrified of and pissed at ‘real’ men. She couldn’t get one herself (or didn’t bother to when she was younger; the end result is the same). Forget the age difference –she’s highly accomplished (in DC terms) and that’s the best she can do? And here comes “game” to get her more spun up and pissed.

    Game starts to undo the brainwashing that 95% of American men are subjected to from birth and puts them on a path toward regaining their true masculine nature (a nature that women love). On a continuum from Omega to Alpha, game helps move men from left to right. More importantly (from a macro perspective), Game is a battering ram to the edifice of the feminist state. It undermines 50+ years of social engineering and the resulting shift of power from men to women. It shifts power back to men – a shift that has to be fought at every turn. No means No for men too.

    BTW, just because she writes articles that agree with your opinions on economics and policy, don’t forget for a minute that she’s a paid shill entertaining an audience (cue GBFM here).

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  107. on July 14, 2010 at 2:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””Steve Johnson
    J –

    “So, how do you suggest a gal stay off the cock carousel if she doesn’t use her head?”

    Tough question.

    Follow the tingle and you end up on the carousel.

    Pick a beta you don’t tingle for because you want a relationship and neither you nor he will be happy.

    Looks like the only real option is to find a guy who makes you tingle but will commit to you; on the other hand, commitment kills the tingle. After all, in our society any man with options doesn’t need to commit so if he commits you lose tingle.

    To me, it seems like you’re screwed.

    ”””””””””””’

    The other pretty lie. I just made “love” to the wife earlier but yea she came three times I came once. Now how the fuck can we ever be equal?
    Woman not only get mens money in us they also get to orgasm more. They got every break fucking imaginable and yet woman in the us will still complain and complain and nobody just says stfu
    Until now he he he

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  108. Does being a boss make you high social status to the women beneath you, even if your job is shitty?

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  109. @Steve

    “Follow the tingle and you end up on the carousel. Pick a beta you don’t tingle for because you want a relationship and neither you nor he will be happy.”

    When I was single, I always tried to process my tingle through my head and not follow them into unsafe situations.

    “Looks like the only real option is to find a guy who makes you tingle but will commit to you;”

    I did.

    “on the other hand, commitment kills the tingle.”

    It doesn’t.

    “To me, it seems like you’re screwed.”

    Well, personally I’m not. I’ve been married to the same guy for over 20 years and still tingling. But it’s a common situation discussed on this blog, and I wanted your slant. Thanks for answering.

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  110. on July 14, 2010 at 2:52 pm Vincent Ignatius

    McArdle isn’t going to convince anyone who doesn’t already have their head as far up their ass as she does.

    Breaking down attraction and seduction into something like the Mystery Method seems pretty damn manly to me. It’s the same as what MEN have done to explain the rotation of the earth, the blueness of the sky, etc.

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  111. @Gunslingergregi

    “Woman not only get mens money in us they also get to orgasm more.”

    Yep, biology is a bitch! There’s reason we call her Mother Nature. Hehe..

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  112. on July 14, 2010 at 2:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””on July 14, 2010 at 2:48 pm Original JB
    “Folks, we are through the looking glass.”

    No, actually I think that’s not an entirely unreasonable platform.

    Instead of punishing fat people with a fine, I would sentence them to short periods of hard manual labor (i.o.w. “fat labor camp.”) They lose the weight, we get a pool of workers doing the jobs Americans “are unwilling to do”, everyone wins.

    Punishing for infidelity with a mistress is somewhat misguided. Falling in love with a mistress and leaving your wife should be fined heavily instead.
    ””””””

    STFU

    yea lets enslave more groups of people great idea. Last I checked I was fat but I have also paid into health insurance for 15 years and went to doctor like what maybe three times. Nope strike that been working since 16 so make that 19 years.

    Don’t listen to media bullshit. Again who uses health insurance more?

    Woman use health insurance all the fucking time. You as a man get to pay another man called a doctor to stick objects in there pussies.

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  113. OT:

    Amazing audio of how even Mega Alphas get twisted around pinkys of 2 bit Russian ho’s….

    Chilling, how calm, detached, and disinterested she is

    Why he ever knocked her up at age 40 is amazing

    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/07/exclusive-audio-out-control-mel-gibson-says-hell-burn-down-house-after-demanding

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  114. on July 14, 2010 at 3:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    Just asked wife and no doctor is looking at there pussies from a young age on a regular basis. So really the husband if he marries a virgin and she doesn’t cheat is the only one looking at their pussies.

    While in the us for some fucking reason it is normal for a doctor someone other than the husband to be poking and prodding the womans pussy checking for something I guess but ahh yea

    Shit I guess guys just need to make visiting a hooker in the same caliber it is just a health checkup clean the pipes make sure it works ok still.

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  115. on July 14, 2010 at 3:03 pm The Rational Male

    I’ve been saying this for awhile now- men who are successful in the mating market are the ones who play the game like a woman.

    Simply put, you are making your sperm appear more valuable than her egg when it is usually the other way around. Women qualify, neg, tease, takeaway, push-pull, and play aloof because for the vast majority of the population what she has to offer IS more valuable than what every Tom Dick and Harry can give her.

    As soon as you flip the script and become “the catch”, the roles are completely reversed and the power is in your hands.

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  116. on July 14, 2010 at 3:04 pm greatbooksformen

    lozlzozozl

    classic literatur erocks which is why the federal reserve banned it lzozlzozo

    here is how mercury tells odysseus to handel the withc cicrices:

    “‘And I will tell you of all the wicked witchcraft that Circe will
    try to practise upon you. She will mix a mess for you to drink, and
    she will drug the meal with which she makes it, but she will not be
    able to charm you, for the virtue of the herb that I shall give you
    will prevent her spells from working. I will tell you all about it.
    When Circe strikes you with her wand, draw your sword and spring upon
    her as though you were goings to kill her. She will then be frightened
    and will desire you to go to bed with her; on this you must not point
    blank refuse her, for you want her to set your companions free, and
    to take good care also of yourself, but you make her swear solemnly
    by all the blessed that she will plot no further mischief against
    you, or else when she has got you naked she will unman you and make
    you fit for nothing.’ ”

    –http://classics.mit.edu/Homer/odyssey.mb.txt

    lozozllzlz

    act like a man, draw your sword, and fuck her! lzozlzlzlzllzlz

    she will like it lzozlzlzllzlzlz

    and here is what odysseus does–he fucks her:

    When I got to the gates I stood there
    and called the goddess, and as soon as she heard me she came down,
    opened the door, and asked me to come in; so I followed her- much
    troubled in my mind. She set me on a richly decorated seat inlaid
    with silver, there was a footstool also under my feet, and she mixed
    a mess in a golden goblet for me to drink; but she drugged it, for
    she meant me mischief. When she had given it me, and I had drunk it
    without its charming me, she struck she, struck me with her wand.
    ‘There now,’ she cried, ‘be off to the pigsty, and make your lair
    with the rest of them.’

    “But I rushed at her with my sword drawn as though I would kill her,
    whereon she fell with a loud scream, clasped my knees, and spoke piteously,
    saying, ‘Who and whence are you? from what place and people have you
    come? How can it be that my drugs have no power to charm you? Never
    yet was any man able to stand so much as a taste of the herb I gave
    you; you must be spell-proof; surely you can be none other than the
    bold hero Ulysses, who Mercury always said would come here some day
    with his ship while on his way home form Troy; so be it then; sheathe
    your sword and let us go to bed, that we may make friends and learn
    to trust each other.’

    “And I answered, ‘Circe, how can you expect me to be friendly with
    you when you have just been turning all my men into pigs? And now
    that you have got me here myself, you mean me mischief when you ask
    me to go to bed with you, and will unman me and make me fit for nothing.
    I shall certainly not consent to go to bed with you unless you will
    first take your solemn oath to plot no further harm against me.’

    “So she swore at once as I had told her, and when she had completed
    her oath then I went to bed with her.

    lozlzozzlzlzlzozlzlz

    GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN RULEZ DA WROLD!!! lzozlzlz

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  117. @Original JB

    “So the obvious solution is a double-standard in “committed” relationships: men are allowed to have affairs, women keep the tingle, men don’t leave. Everybody wins.”

    To me (and many other women) infidelity is the deal breaker. Some women may tolerate it, but you gotta be careful who you cheat on.

    Some women will go after “the bitch who stole their man.” Other know that it’s the man who made them promises of fidelity, not the other women, who is the problem. To me, a woman who goes after married men is a slut and probably more than a little stupid since most men won’t leave the wife for a mistress. But a guy who breaks his vows…. Well, I wouldn’t forgive.

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  118. on July 14, 2010 at 3:05 pm greatbooksformen

    oh yah read homer’s oddysse for yourself lozlzlzlz

    http://classics.mit.edu/Homer/odyssey.mb.txt

    lozlzozlzz

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  119. on July 14, 2010 at 3:06 pm Prophet Jeremiah your Daddy

    (We will return to our regularly scheduled programming of learning about actual game, rather than jawboning about its cultural significance, tomorrow.)

    Yeah, cool! But this was nice, the Superficiality, Artificiality & Manipulation is clear and simple to explain.

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  120. It’s amusing how McArdle breezily, dismissively claims
    “I have very little possible interest in the behavior of the PUAs”
    despite devoting two days of blogging to the topic.

    The volume and depth of feeling of her attack betrays how threatening she finds the PUA phenomenon.

    She probably intuits that the growing strength of the PUA phenomenon is a resounding indictment of how inexcusably full of shit the prevailing dating & mating dynamic is (and has been) in this culture for many years now.

    McArdle’s attack against the PUA phenomenon is an unwitting compliment to it.

    Her bullshit denial of interest reminds me of how Cher once smugly claimed
    (as if ‘I’m wayyy too cool to care, I’m so free’)
    “I really don’t care how I look”
    — after getting countless cosmetic surgeries, and before going on to get even more. Self-delusion is sad.

    I read many of the comments responding to McArdle’s first blog about it yesterday, and while I saw lots of intelligent comments, as I recall, no one ever made a key clarification about game: just this:

    There are so many variations, such a range of degrees to which one might be specific & technical (or instinctive & spontaneous) in his use of it.

    The discussion of game (on that blog) gave a reader the impression that game is ‘all or nothing’, like ‘Either you are in the swimming pool, soaking wet, or you are out of the water, and you are dry.’
    As if any man running any game at all must be using all the most extreme, goofy Mystery Method tactics.
    It’s about like thinking any man who lifts weights is aiming for the extreme physique of the Mr. Olympia contenders and he shares all their values & priorities.

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  121. @J

    This isn’t the first time I’ve noticed this major differences in our world views. You really see people as higher animals. I see people as having animal roots, but also have having minds and, yes, souls–and, therefore the responsibilty to use them to moderate their animal responses to things. You see people as more at the mercy of biology than I do–though I do acknowledge the influence.

    I enjoy your science-based posts, but they never go as far as I think they should IMO. Not a criticism, just an observation.

    The religious right has more in common, philosophically, with the left than it likes to believe. Leftist philosophy is wuasi-religious in nature.

    I see people as higher animals because I’ve never seen evidence of anything human that doesn’t belong solidly in the animal world; the evolutionary explanation for almost everything seems to be rock-solid. Positing the existence of a soul, or more, requires remarkable evidence.

    There’s too much wanting in religion. It’s like comfort food, but not nutritious, in the end.

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  122. on July 14, 2010 at 3:10 pm greatbooksformen

    “Thursday

    Like I said before WRT Jane Austen, a lot of the advice for getting girls in classic lit seems to boil down to:

    1. Be a total badass warrior.
    2. Be filthy stinking rich.

    Not very practical in this day and age.”

    loozlzozzzlzlozzll you’ve obviously never played world of warcraft lzozlzlzo and

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  123. @Steve Johnson
    Just to clarify my previous post

    You said
    “And we get right back to the start. A woman who uses logic to analyze dating is too obviously mercenary and no man trusts a mercenary woman.
    I said
    “Not just no man but no woman too. It’s associated with being a golddigger, cold and calculating.”
    You said “I don’t really think this applies to men”

    Just to clarify, I wasn’t saying women thinking that of men.

    I was agreeing with what you say but saying not using logic is not just to do with how men will view you and this impact your chances on the dating market. But how other women view you. If women think you are a goldigging whore, they won’t want to be friends with you (unless they are a golddigging whore themselves). Women care about what other women think. And other men who they are not dating think too. i.e. society.

    Men may not so much (on what other men think), although I think they do more than some posters on this blog care to admit.

    Personally, I care most about what I think and my own set of values I live by, but I do want to have friends too.

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  124. The religious right has more in common, philosophically, with the left than it likes to believe.

    This is another one of your glib and patently false assertions. The religious right is the exact opposite of the left. Religion subordinates the human being to God and believes in his accountability to a transcendent moral order. Depending on the specific religion, man’s worldly arrangements are of no importance to God, or their importance is subordinate to his soul’s ultimate purpose.

    The left rejects any notion of a transcendent reality and seeks instead to build an earthly substitute for God and Heaven.

    Leftist philosophy is wuasi-religious in nature.

    Any philosophy, pursuit, or attitude, if one is comitted to it strongly enough, is going to be “quasi religious,” given that your definition of “religious” is so broad, it’s meaningless.

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  125. “While in the us for some fucking reason it is normal for a doctor someone other than the husband to be poking and prodding the womans pussy checking for something I guess but ahh yea”

    You know what I’m totally conflicted about this. I really did have to detach from the experience (of exams) while pregnant. No gyn checkups until AFTER I got pregnant. (Other females hanging around don’t bother blasting me for this. I’m generally very anti-traditional medicine, so I perceive little need.) So, my finger count jumps from 1 to like freakin, I don’t even know how high, I lost count. Honestly, probably close to 20. I try not to think about it or laugh it off. Now, there would have been ways to prevent this. Either choose an unassisted birth (no attendant, with perhaps limited midwife visits) or have hubbie assist, since he doesn’t have a weak stomach. And honestly, all this fr–kin “medical training” is pretty unsophisticated anyway. Seriously, like a full hand on most practitioners (female nurses, maybe not the male docs with larger hands) is about 5 centimeters dilated. My husband could have done that free of charge. Totally freakin’ ridiculous. IF I ever go thru it again, I’m choosing a very hands off midwife who’ll do what I say, rather than the other way around (Western medicine). You just have to suck it up and deal with it, though, if you choose conventional medicine. (And ladies don’t bother commenting on how “unsafe” a non-medicalized birth is. I’m highly educated and can make my own informed decisions)

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  126. on July 14, 2010 at 3:28 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””on July 14, 2010 at 3:05 pm J
    @Original JB

    “So the obvious solution is a double-standard in “committed” relationships: men are allowed to have affairs, women keep the tingle, men don’t leave. Everybody wins.”

    To me (and many other women) infidelity is the deal breaker. Some women may tolerate it, but you gotta be careful who you cheat on.

    Some women will go after “the bitch who stole their man.” Other know that it’s the man who made them promises of fidelity, not the other women, who is the problem. To me, a woman who goes after married men is a slut and probably more than a little stupid since most men won’t leave the wife for a mistress. But a guy who breaks his vows…. Well, I wouldn’t forgive.
    ”””””””””
    And that is why a knowledgable man can take the fidelity part out of the vows and just promise to love for life. Who says you can’t make your own vows?
    Then vow to cheat but not leave her.
    They still get angry but over time I would imagine understand that another bitch ain’t gonna steal you.

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  127. on July 14, 2010 at 3:31 pm Steve Johnson

    “But it’s a common situation discussed on this blog, and I wanted your slant. Thanks for answering.”

    My slant is that feminism was a low status woman movement because they were unhappy with the previous mating market arrangement.

    Alpha males pair up in a mostly monogamous manner with top females

    Beta males paired up with the next level of females

    Gammas and beyond paired up with the women who were left

    If (as a woman) you didn’t like the deal, you didn’t reproduce and you had trouble earning enough money to survive comfortably.

    Now, alpha males donate sperm to women in the first two categories and women can support themselves without male commitment.

    Unfortunately it means that women who can’t hook an alpha (who are less hookable today than they were in the past) are stuck being pretty unhappy because they can’t be satisfied with betas.

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  128. on July 14, 2010 at 3:33 pm Black Rebel

    As Roissy has said (a few times?) women hate the IDEA of game, because it codifies behaviors that they find desirable and sends them to the presses for the average man to use and learn.

    If it were up to feminists, the bottom 90% of men would be shot into the sun and the remaining 300,000,000 men would have harems made up of the remaining 3.25 billion women.

    Of course this view also assumes that EVERY remaining woman would be happy because she had Alpha harem king to father her children. This neglects the reality that no Alpha male worth his gonads would fuck anything lower than a 6 (and give him a choice between 3 billion+ women and that 6 turns to an 8).

    If you’re expecting society to work after killing off the bottom 90% of men without killing off the bottom 80% of women…good luck with that.

    Feminists hating game is just another double standard in their bag that’s full of them.

    ‘It’s okay for women to be deceptive, manipulative, play to their strengths and emphasize their best assets to snare a mate…but men are only allowed to attract good women by doing what we say!’

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  129. @PA
    @Gorbachev
    The religious right has more in common, philosophically, with the left than it likes to believe.

    This is another one of your glib and patently false assertions. The religious right is the exact opposite of the left. Religion subordinates the human being to God and believes in his accountability to a transcendent moral order. Depending on the specific religion, man’s worldly arrangements are of no importance to God, or their importance is subordinate to his soul’s ultimate purpose.

    Both the left and the religious believe that people are special, specially created, unique, even if evolution was involved. We’re Perfectable. It’s important to both that we’re not Subject to the Immutable Biological Script.

    The naked truth – that we’re very clever hominids, from a long line of primates that has an ancient and interesting history – is difficult for both to swallow.

    It gets really uncomfortable around the Great Apes Rights movements, because there the left starts to encounter the nether ends of its ideological loops touching each other: Animal rights: “animals are people too”, and “people are a lot like great apes.” When animal-rights activist want to cordon off parts of Africa for Ape preserves, or save dolphins, lefties struggle about the whole “jobs for humans” vs. “animals as people” problem.

    It’s why animal-rights people sound … different than the average lefty. They don’t ascribe to the “humans are Unique and Special and Fundamentally Different” philosophy.

    Of course, we’re just less hairy apes. Some of us are less hairy, anyway.

    The left rejects any notion of a transcendent reality and seeks instead to build an earthly substitute for God and Heaven.

    Both are building Heavens. I respect the left more: At least they’re trying to do it here.

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  130. I probably should have prefaced my above gyn-related comments with- I pretty much feel a bit degraded with the whole Western conventional model of medicine in general. Wait in dr.s office for hours, have an 8.2 minute visit, have dr guide conversation and ignore most of what you say, and then prescribe some script I’m never going to get filled anyway. That’s why I basically don’t go to the dr’s, add silver medical instrumentation, spread legs, and strange hands, and yeah, it ups the disgust factor considerably.

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  131. Nah the Left has become intellectually bankrupt. By allying themselves so completely with muslims, they’re about to betray gays, women and all ethnics who have problems with muslims while concurrently balkanizing Western nations in general.

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  132. @Name

    I’ve only had female gynos and I’m not going to make any judgement on you for what you decide works for you or doesn’t personally.

    However, personally, I’m not one for the husband/man to be present at births. Maybe I’m just old fashioned on this issue. But I also know plenty of guys who have not quite seen their wives in the same way after this.

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  133. greatbooksformen–

    nor shall any man be made to pay for past use of a pussy lzozlzlzlz

    Amen. Which he’s doing with i) alimony ii) stealth alimony in feminist way jacked up in the early 90s child support; iii) having to give her half his own wealth that he hasn’t already spent on her when married.

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  134. on July 14, 2010 at 3:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””add silver medical instrumentation, spread legs, and strange hands, and yeah, it ups the disgust factor considerably.
    ”””

    Yea one of the things that I never wanted to know about former wife. What happened in those doctor visits.

    But yea now I guess I am ok doesn’t happen anymore.
    Nobody sticking shit into my wife now on regular basis. Just another side benefit.

    Anyone else with more details on their visit with the strange hands?

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  135. @greatbooksformen
    “loozlzozzzlzlozzll you’ve obviously never played world of warcraft lzozlzlzo”

    lzozlzlzolzozlzlzolzozlzlzo

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  136. on July 14, 2010 at 3:51 pm Gunslingergregi

    Or name if you could elaborate kind of a taboo pretty lie type subject I would imagine.

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  137. on July 14, 2010 at 3:52 pm whorefinder

    McArdle needs to be slapped around a bit. She married a beta bitch to save her aging eggs. She’ll be out trolling for the man who’ll slap her face and tell her to shut up soon enough.

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  138. on July 14, 2010 at 3:56 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””’Lily
    @Name

    I’ve only had female gynos and I’m not going to make any judgement on you for what you decide works for you or doesn’t personally.
    ””””’

    Even better for the fiat system probably a female sticking things into your wifes pussy.

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  139. “I’ve only had female gynos and I’m not going to make any judgement on you for what you decide works for you or doesn’t personally.”

    Yeah, it makes little difference to me. I encountered bitchy, female nurses who irritated me, both pre and post fingering.

    That probably is a tad bit old fashioned about the birth. Honestly, dh would think it a bit “gay” for himself to not be able to handle watching (and assisting- cord cutting) a birth. However, the point of having the man present for bonding and support really only occurs if you choose the right environment for that to manifest, which is either at home or with a very hands off provider. It’s not going to happen within the context of typical, conventional medical environment. But after having been through the annoyance of a hospital birth, I’d be content to go off on a mountain by myself, alone.

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  140. @dc:

    amazingly, libertarianesque girls who are otherwise very competent on matters of economics and policy always have the most batshit retarded views on male/female dynamics

    that’s because they are female nerds and have only a poor understanding of male-female sexual dynamics on an instinctive level. She tries to dissect it according to the rationale of her prejudices and wishing thinking about it, versus reality. A lot of the people that posted on the first article were playing the part of the prudent SWPL android and laughing about game. The men who did so were the most pathetic. Everyone who wasn’t already an MRA posting there was living in denial.

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  141. Name,
    I used a midwife for my son’s birth and thought it was very safe. The midwives I went to were very professional.
    Lily,
    My grandmother said that it was better back in her day when the fathers weren’t in the room during childbirth. She has a point.

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  142. on July 14, 2010 at 4:00 pm Black Rebel

    Whorefinder – Apparently she’s 6’2…That’s like an inch shorter than I am, and I ain’t doing it.

    You know how many non-supermodel women I’ve seen that were taller than 6′ that were sexually attractive?

    One, on a class trip in my senior year of high school, almost ten years ago.

    She was like 6’5 and I still didn’t care, if only I had game…

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  143. @Gunslingergregi
    Yea one of the things that I never wanted to know about former wife. What happened in those doctor visits. But yea now I guess I am ok doesn’t happen anymore.
    Nobody sticking shit into my wife now on regular basis. Just another side benefit. Anyone else with more details on their visit with the strange hands?”

    I’ve only had female gynos. Do they not have them where you live?

    In England, a male gyno has to have a female nurse present during examinations (same applies to a regular general practioner if you are visiting him with a more intimate issue) so except for personal choice maybe that’s why, more cost effective for the clinic. No doubt some would blame feminism for taking the male gynos jobs away 😉 actually thinking about it maybe there are more female gynos than male because it’s probably an area in medicine with more ‘family-friendly’ hours (why women are more likely to become a general practitioner than a hospital doctor).

    Do they not have similar policies in the States? Even if they do, I’d imagine male obgyns have better things to do than fiddle around on billable hours.

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  144. “Or name if you could elaborate kind of a taboo pretty lie type subject I would imagine.”

    Basically, they finger on nearly every visit during routine prenatal exams. Then, if you’re lucky, they ask if you wouldn’t mind, if their new intern following them in rounds, could examine you as well. So, on those very lucky prenatal visits, you’ll often get multiple hands, sometimes mixed genders as well. And you’d feel like a bit of a bitch if you declined, the newly aspiring ob-gyn the opportunity for hands on experience. (and you can always tell you’re their first patient because their super gentle, which makes it even more awkward). Then if you’re lucky then middle-aged, overweight, veteran doctor will press and poke incredibly hard (because it’s necessary, standard procedure) and make you totally forget about the awkwardness because you’re in pain. Honestly, I know that sounds borderline pornogpraphic. It IS entirely true, and describes one of my visits. And that’s one of many reasons, I will avoid repeating the experience in the future. And then they charge outrageously for it. I’m a sadist, it’s my own damn fault. I’ll take the gender-confused midwife next time.

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  145. Lily,
    Yes. They have to have a female nurse in the room if a male gyno is examining you. I think it is for his protection more than for the patient though.

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  146. OB/GYN HAS HORRENDOUS HOURS, IT IS NOT FAMILY FRIENDLY AT ALL. THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO THE ABOVE POST.

    SIGNED,

    3RD YEAR MEDICAL STUDENT WHO HATES HIS CURRENT OB/GYN ROTATION.

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  147. “In England, a male gyno has to have a female nurse present during examinations (same applies to a regular general practioner if you are visiting him with a more intimate issue) so except for personal choice maybe that’s why, more cost effective for the clinic. ”

    Yeah, I swear I always thought that was the rule in the U.S. too. I’m thinking I looked naive and stupid, so they just sent the male docs solo. I guess it reduces overhead that way for them. Nope, I’ve had plenty of male docs get me alone while in stirrups. And I refuse to add them to my number count.

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  148. Lily,
    I don’t think it is a law or anything it is probably just a smart move for the ob-gyn in the case of a lawsuit.

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  149. on July 14, 2010 at 4:11 pm Gunslingergregi

    I guess here they have the baby in a hospital too sit there for 5 or 6 days and it costs 120 to 240 dollars.

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  150. “Lily,
    Yes. They have to have a female nurse in the room if a male gyno is examining you. I think it is for his protection more than for the patient though.”

    Ok, that solves it. I must have looked like I wouldn’t sue, which I probably wouldn’t.

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  151. @Name
    Sorry to hear about your experiences, sound horrendous.

    @Laura
    Yes I can imagine. I think that’s partly the reason they brought it in the UK, it’s getting more litigious. I just asked as gunslinger seemed to be saying (from my perception) that the obgyns were doing all sorts of things. But the alternative, female obgyns are working for fiat. I wonder which he would prefer.

    @Anonymous
    Aww. Sorry to hear that. Would it be different once you’re qualified? Can you not work particular hours and not hospital ones? I know many doctors in training have horrendeous hours but afterwards can be GPs with more regular hours (or carry on working in hospitals if they wish), can you not do that within the OBGYN field?

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  152. My read: McArdle married a child/man that she feels she can control, nurture and shelter. Game and the PUA community are probably the #1 threat to her marriage/parent-child relationship. She is rightfully scared that the sexual marketplace is very hostile to her chances at keeping her 28 year old husband, so out of emotion she lashes out at it.

    She probably realized she couldn’t shelter her husband/child from it, so she had to try to mock it to dissuade him from inquiring further.

    Its an almost universal, (should be Roissy maxim), that all women believe in the love delusion. Most believe in the soul-mate delusion as well, but almost all are dogmatic zealots in the belief of western, romantic love. She believes that she and her husband are in love, or even soulmates. The truths of human nature scare the crap out her, and for good reason.

    [editor: i bet now she’s hoping her hubby doesn’t stumble across this blog. oh well! that’s what you get when you summon the kraken.]

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  153. @Laura
    “I don’t think it is a law or anything it is probably just a smart move for the ob-gyn in the case of a lawsuit”
    I am not sure it’s a law here either, it’s probably an NHS thing and they would implement a nationwide policy.

    I have been to a private gyn too but it was a female one.

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  154. on July 14, 2010 at 4:17 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””’from my perception) that the obgyns were doing all sorts of things””””’

    Wasn’t accusing them of getting a woman off. It is interesting to me that men in the us have been convinced that someone should be regularly checking the womans pussy.

    From what name says I guess they are simulating gang bangs with mad people in room for checkups with the husband not there.

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  155. SP: “Chrissakes sister swoop alpha incest Chrissakes jiggle-boobies!”

    Ah, stalkers: you can never have too many. I prefer the redhead from road warrior look.

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  156. whorefinder said
    “McArdle needs to be slapped around a bit. She married a beta bitch to save her aging eggs. She’ll be out trolling for the man who’ll slap her face and tell her to shut up soon enough.”
    And people wonder why women react negatively to PUAs…

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  157. on July 14, 2010 at 4:19 pm Gunslingergregi

    Then name says that some guy causes pain why?

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  158. @Lily

    And people wonder why women react negatively to PUAs…

    i for one do not wonder. every subculture has a shabby side and a less charming face. but the subculture is rooted in a pursuit and the pursuit is rooted in a need and the need is basic. do you have a point?

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  159. Roissy, My God! I have never read anything like this. You are the Philosopher with the SledgeHammer!

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  160. @Rollo Tomassi: “The guy who does in fact Man Up is a chauvinist, misogynist, patriarch, but he still needs to man up when it’s convenient to meet the needs of a female imperative.”

    Spot on. Women, regardless of worldview, know one of the harshest affronts to heterosexual men is to question their manliness, and capitalise on the fact that the term has been subject to semantic distortion beyond recognition, so they’ll use phrases like “man up” to hit men where it hurts.

    @Gorbachev: An astute observation I’ve made to people before with mixed success, not that I believe in the law of the jungle wholesale, but still. Why similarities between liberal left and religious right haven’t been made more common knowledge, I do not know.

    @PA: “The left rejects any notion of a transcendent reality and seeks instead to build an earthly substitute for God and Heaven.”

    Yes, but they uphold their social constructivist/PC ideals as absolutes and place the individual on a pedestal, believing people’s feelings, right not to be offended or deluded belief that they can do what they want and so forth are of higher importance than the collective good or a larger reality that shows they are not special. This article puts it into a good analogy: http://www.amerika.org/2010/science/skyhooks-and-skycranes/

    The mechanics of the liberal-left and the religious-right are different (the religious right is far more ascetic), but their la-la-la-I’m-not-listening-isms are rooted in the same basic psychology. People want to think nice ideas, not harsh realities, so they think up ostracising terms like “heretic/blasphemer” or “racist/fascist/-ism” as per their weltanschauung, employing them like panic buttons in case of unpleasantries that supposedly lead to some slippery slope towards Hitler/Satan. I dare say that to an extent, HBD-realists represent in our present time what Galileo and Darwin did in theirs.

    Slightly tangential but related to female sexual market value.
    Here’s a series of composite images made from hot or not pictures, at various 1-10 ratings

    It not only flies in the face of the “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” (generally speaking), it also is a way for men to roughly gauge their sexual market standards.

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  161. “From what name says I guess they are simulating gang bangs with mad people in room for checkups with the husband not there.”

    Yes, kind of. Because he was out-of-state for work at the time (actually opposite Coasts) and the dr. chastized me that he wasn’t closer to home so soon before delivery. You know make sure to disrupt the beta providers income flow for selfish female reasons (like pregnancy and upcoming deliver). Yes, I’m sure the Fiat people are behind this charade too. Maybe GBlolzlFM will have some input.

    Yeah, seriously, though gang bang is just about an appropriate word for the cleverly orchestrated “exam.”

    I only go now as minimally as necessary, which is usually 1/4-1/3 of the “recommendations.” And I’m on the once every-5 yr. plan with family practitioner. But I’m every anti traditional medicine. Unless I’m bleeding to death, I don’t see much of a need for it.

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  162. on July 14, 2010 at 4:24 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””’Lily
    @Gunslingergregi
    Yea one of the things that I never wanted to know about former wife. What happened in those doctor visits. But yea now I guess I am ok doesn’t happen anymore.
    Nobody sticking shit into my wife now on regular basis. Just another side benefit. Anyone else with more details on their visit with the strange hands?”

    I’ve only had female gynos. Do they not have them where you live?
    ””””

    No in indonesia apparently woman from a young age do not have strangers putting there fingers into their pussies for health reasons. I mean really if they find out a woman has cervical cancer from reading up on it past experience the woman is gonna die so really why check for it?
    If not cancerous the woman will just feel pain and then get checked.
    But in us they checking all the young pussy. Some stange guy or girl putting there fingers and tools in there and causing pain why I wonder.

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  163. on July 14, 2010 at 4:24 pm Vincent Ignatius

    @Steve Johnson
    My slant is that feminism was a low status woman movement because they were unhappy with the previous mating market arrangement.

    Go check out the “Myth of Middle-Class Alpha Male” series at The Rawness. He arrives at the very same conclusion. Ricky Raw is one of the most insightful game bloggers out there.

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  164. @Gorbacchev

    “The religious right has more in common, philosophically, with the left than it likes to believe. Leftist philosophy is wuasi-religious in nature.”

    For a lot of people, leftism replaces religion.

    “I see people as higher animals because I’ve never seen evidence of anything human that doesn’t belong solidly in the animal world; the evolutionary explanation for almost everything seems to be rock-solid. Positing the existence of a soul, or more, requires remarkable evidence.”

    Yeah, I felt that until my 40s; then I got spiritual. I have no rational explanation for it. It was a response to some profound life experiences.

    “There’s too much wanting in religion. It’s like comfort food, but not nutritious, in the end.”

    I find just the opposite. Science tells us about “How?”; religion, philosphy, spirituality tells us “Why” and “What now?”

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  165. Hey Lily: do you have the link handy? I loved “The Rules,” and try to read as much of such stuff as possible.

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  166. @Gorbachev: “Both the left and the religious believe that people are special, specially created, unique, even if evolution was involved. We’re Perfectable. It’s important to both that we’re not Subject to the Immutable Biological Script.”

    Yeah. I would argue that despite the religious-right’s general denial of evolution, there seems to be an implicit acknowledgement of Immutable Biological Script, in the form of the notion of temptation, something that one must resist, through temperance or even outright ascetism. The liberal-left doesn’t acknowledge said script, believing us to be sovereign beings. The best thing about HBD-realism is that we can ask ourselves what we can learn from the script. Hence this blog, I suppose.

    “It’s why animal-rights people sound … different than the average lefty. They don’t ascribe to the “humans are Unique and Special and Fundamentally Different” philosophy.”

    Animal rights people split into two groups. There’s the pathological lefty “we should be nice to everyone and everything” sorts and there’s the realist sorts. I know of a few nationalist vegans. The mainstream perception leads more toward the former though.

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  167. People forget that the best counter-game is just to not sleep with the guy until like x number of months after you’ve started “going out” (adjusted for culture, religion, how slutty other competitive girls are, etc). If he mainly wants you for sex, he can easily find someone else and you’ll know not to have wasted your time on someone who didn’t really care for you. If he is truly in love with you, he won’t mind waiting until you think “the time is right”. ^_^

    This is why all this “sexual liberation” is kind of convenient. Now that all sex is okay, it’s easier than ever to weed out the hornballs who want minimal investment for getting their dicks in something remotely attractive. It’s a glorious shit test.

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  168. Here’s how I explain game to women these days (or some iteration thereof):

    “Imagine you’re giving a speech in front of a crowded room. That anxiety you feel, that stage fright, that’s what men feel when they approach women they find attractive. Talking to women is in fact just another version of public speaking. Fortunately it’s something you can get better at.

    By learning how to be a better communicator with women through learning Game men can be more themselves. In fact Game merely lets a man’s true self shine through instead of being the nervous mess you usually see when they first aproach. This allows men to be fun, at ease, and more natural. Why anyone would have a problem with that is beyond me, don’t you agree?”

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  169. @Gunslingergregi
    We don’t have it as regularly in England. You have an exam if you have any problems and then you have a PAP smear every three years to check for cervical cancer
    (which is a real concern, I know a few women who’ve had precancerous cells frozen or cut off as a result of PAP smears and are fine now but I also know 2 women who have died from the actual cancer itself, interestingly in both cases they married young and the husband was their 1st or 2nd lover and as far as I know both of them were faithful, not sure on their husbands, both philandering types). That’s it for people poking around except for STD tests which women can get by going to a GUM clinic on their own initiation. Unless you go privately (as if you haven’t paid enough in taxes for the NHS lol).

    @Lupo
    Link for what?

    @Sniper
    Some players (not all) will hang on just to ‘win the game’ no matter how long. They have plenty going in their harem to not need it for sexual satisfaction purposes and can wait as long as it takes.

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  170. @Gunslingergregi

    Believe me. There’s nothing sexy about a visit to the OB/GYN.

    Sexually active women especially should see a doctor regularly for contraception if they don’t want to get PG and also in case of STD infection. Even monogamous women should be checked out in case their hubs cheats and of course for cancer.

    “I mean really if they find out a woman has cervical cancer from reading up on it past experience the woman is gonna die so really why check for it?”

    You are thinking of ovarian cancer. Cervical cancer can be cured or even prevented with the right treatment.

    “If not cancerous the woman will just feel pain and then get checked.”

    When it’s too late for treatment to do some good?
    Many cancers, even ovarian, are curable if caught EARLY.
    Ovarian cancer is not any more virulent than others; it’s just that it’s most often caught too late. Once that one starts to hurt, you’re done for.

    I have no idea what medical teatment is like in Indonesia, but I’d bet the mortality rate for female cancers is much higher than in the US.

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  171. @Lupo
    Should I be disturbed you liked the Rules? It made me want to cry.

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  172. Lily,
    I think cervical cancer comes from a sexually transmitted disease. If their husbands were cheating on them, that may be where they got it from.

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  173. @crazyshoe
    There isn’t much public/easy to find on ‘good game’, if someone who doesn’t know much about it starts looking into it, especially on the interweb, they won’t find much Jedi stuff on the first glance (or in the first few hours), just Sith.

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  174. @Thursday

    I LOVE the Vox Day’s system. I can actually use it to describe men I know IRL. In Roissy’s system, your’re an alpha cocksman or a chump.

    [editor: you either have poor reading comprehension, or you’re a liar. i never wrote such a thing. please see the post “defining the alpha male”. the next time you put words in my mouth, i’m banning you. tread carefully.]

    The Vox Day system shows many shades of non-alpha behavior. When I first posted, I got a barrage of “What’s your husband?” questions that I couldn’t honestly answer, and guys though I was dodging the question. I can find my husband on the Vox Day scale. Then, someone posted there to ask if there was a correlation to Meyers-Briggs categories. I googled both my and my husband’s M-B profile and relationships. Voila…helpful hints.

    Thank you Vox Day!

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  175. Lily, Laura, and Name are not paticipating at all in this thread but are making comments as if they have not even read our hosts excellent post.
    Could this be proof that their brains cannot absorb the precepts of game and so they slide quite automatically into a defaiult mode of talking about something they can perceive, like birthing babies?
    I have spent some time trying to devise an experiment that could shed light on this question: Are xx brains capable of self conscious analysis of their own sexual instincts? I have some ideas, but nothing is ready for formal testing.
    The problem with historical writing on seduction/attraction is that none of it occurred with the 4 horsemen of female instinct-baring/empowerment running wild.

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  176. on July 14, 2010 at 5:17 pm greatbooksformen

    lozlzozlzlzozl

    womenz are funny

    talking and gossing lzozlzlzlzlzo

    knowingthey are destined for spintserhood and cats

    due to tehir very own actions

    and yet

    trying

    to blame it

    on game

    zlzozozlzl

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  177. @Laura
    Yes it does, it comes from HPV so in effect is the only cancer that is caused by sexual conduct. That’s why it’s particularly sad it happened to these two women, as they certainly had not been riding the cock carousel. In any way. Seriously, both married before 25 and this happened after they were 40.

    Possibly one or both may have had a lover I don’t know about (women are better at covering up) but knowing them and their husbands, I would imagine it was far more likely their husband had cheated.

    I really don’t get why married men if they have to play around aren’t more careful. You can see if if you have a quick glance at infidelity message boards. Yesterday, a married male friend told me about the sex he had with a woman at the weekend. He thinks it’s fine it was unprotected as (she said) she was on the pill and she can’t possibly have anything as he ‘knows’ her (he’s met her a couple of times but knows her sister), this guy also has had a longterm mistress he has unprotected sex with. Hopefully, his unsuspecting wife and mother of his children won’t get cervical cancer and die.

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  178. on July 14, 2010 at 5:22 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea rum just opinting out another hypocracy of the us where the feminists live.

    Plus I guess not a bad game line to get woman talking albeit gross and shit you might not want to know.

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  179. @Rum
    Hey, I’m not the one (and I don’t believe the other women are either) who started the gyno conversation, why pick on us instead of the person who started it?

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  180. Most cervical cancer is linked to Human Papilloma Virus. You just need to sleep with one carrier to be exposed to it. Even if your guy doesn’t cheat, he may have been exposed to it by a previous gf. The Gardisil vaccination has been routinely given to teen girls for the last decade or so to prevent HPV infection; they are starting now to give it to boys too.

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  181. @Thursday
    Good comment.
    Personally, the HSS gives me more ‘gina tingles’, but I’m a hypergamous whore like that.

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  182. “Lily,
    I think cervical cancer comes from a sexually transmitted disease. If their husbands were cheating on them, that may be where they got it from.”

    It usually originates from HPV. And as much as I’m ANTI all STDs or the behaviors that promote STDs, cervical cancer is actually very rare, and I personally don’t think it’s necessary to routinely vaccinate as young as age 9 for HPV, which they do in the States currently. I’m actually prolife, so I believe in “my body, my choice” which means a soon-to-be sexually active female can make the “choice” to vaccinate for herself. (If she’s responsible enough to make decisions about sexual activity, she’s old enough to decide on HPV vaccination. Sorry, I really don’t want to clog up the thread, but I’m thinking the anti-statutory rape crowd can gain more ammunition from the opposing “let’s vaccinate all 9yos for STDs crowd.” I guess the feminists who advocate unnecessary widepread HPV vaccination would just counter that teen girls should just be sleeping with the same 5-disease-spreading underage alpha “boys.” Dunno. If I had more than 2 hrs sleep currently, I’d be more coherent right now. I’m sure there’s something there.

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  183. Sorry Rum. I really wanted to enterain gunslingergregi. He seemed genuinely interested. If the host had asked me to stop, I would have acquiesced.

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  184. @Sniper,

    “People forget that the best counter-game is just to not sleep with the guy until like x number of months after you’ve started “going out” (adjusted for culture, religion, how slutty other competitive girls are, etc). If he mainly wants you for sex, he can easily find someone else and you’ll know not to have wasted your time on someone who didn’t really care for you. If he is truly in love with you, he won’t mind waiting until you think “the time is right”. ^_^

    This is why all this “sexual liberation” is kind of convenient. Now that all sex is okay, it’s easier than ever to weed out the hornballs who want minimal investment for getting their dicks in something remotely attractive. It’s a glorious shit test.”

    Sniper, can you please post a picture of your boyfriend?

    I want to see what kind of beta chump would wait months just to have sex with you.

    I mean, you are cute, but from seeing your pics you are DEFINITELY not pretty enough to wait months for.

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  185. CERVICAL CANCER IS RARE BECAUSE OF THE PAP SMEAR. WE ARE ABLE TO LOCATE CERVICAL DYSPLASIA EARLY ON, EXCISE IT VERY EARLY, SO IT NEVER BECOMES A PROBLEM (FULL BLOWN CANCER). HPV VACCINATION WILL GREATLY HELP FROM HAVING THE DYSPLASIA IN THE FIRST PLACE.

    SIGNED

    3RD YEAR MEDICAL STUDENT WHO HATES HIS OB/GYN ROTATION

    [EDITOR: OKAY!]

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  186. on July 14, 2010 at 5:31 pm whorefinder

    Lily, suck it. If you possessed any reading comprehension at all, you’d see I was pointing out that women enjoy being slapped around and actively seek it out.

    Ignoring reality: a feminist mindset.

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  187. on July 14, 2010 at 5:33 pm Gunslingergregi

    Well 4800 woman die per year of cervical cancer in us so I am thinking logically that it is not caused by fucking around in a population of 365,000,000 million people or so or it would be much higher don’t ya think.

    I can see why certain people in power might want it to be that way because then you can criminalize cheating but of course only for men.

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  188. editor: you either have poor reading comprehesion, or you’re a liar. i never wrote such a thing. please see the post “defining the alpha male”. the next time you put words in my mouth, i’m banning you. tread carefully.]”

    Wow, that’s extreme. I thought this forum prided itself on free expression.

    [editor: you have to earn free expression in this thunderdome. if you continue lying about what i write, i will either continually shit in your face and humiliate you, or i will ban you. so next time, think before you comment. i’m fucking sick and tired of commenters putting words in my mouth.]

    I’m referring to the chart that in the archives that defines the sub-categories in terms of number of women scored and their rank (1-10). On that chart, high numbers (cocksman behavior) equals alpha, lower numbers equal beta or less.

    On that chart, a monogamous leader of men still looks like an omega chump.

    [you’re backpedaling. i never wrote “you’re either an alpha cocksman or a chump”. again, read my “defining the alpha male” post for further explanation. and STOP FUCKING LYING.]

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  189. Women not only dislike betas, they view themselves as superior to them. Women don’t like game because it questions their view of how hierarchies should be.

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  190. whorefinder,
    You’re ignorant. If any man hits me he is going to get hit back.

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  191. @whorefinder
    No problem with my comprehension, maybe you should change that to ‘some women’ or all the women you happen to get involved with.

    @gunslinger
    You can think with ‘logic’ as much as you want but whether it’s ‘fucking around’ or not, it is caused by something sexually transmitted, the only cancer that is (caveat as far as I know, I’m no medical professional). And see Seth’s (medical professional) post above on why more women don’t die of it. And I just had a very quick google and in Indonesia 40,000 women in Indonesia are diagnosed with it (cervical cancer itself not HPV) every year. So maybe all that poking around they do in the US isn’t for nought. Anyway, that’s enough of the gyno talk, let’s go back to the topic 🙂

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  192. on July 14, 2010 at 5:50 pm Gunslingergregi

    Just seems that there is always a three letter scare acronym and it always relates to sex.

    hiv hpv bla bla v

    And it always seems to generate a lot of money but not a lot of deaths. People die it is what happens to us all.

    and med student with the papsmeers and pussy touching I guess has gone down supposedly 50 percent but the west accounts for 20 percent of cases but yet developing countries aren’t doing pap schmeres.

    978,186,023 people living in developed countries. 20 percent
    5,727,771,964 living in developing countries.80 percent

    In developed countries, the widespread use of cervical screening programs has reduced the incidence of invasive cervical cancer by 50% or more

    When ya do math developed countries 17.08 percent rounded yet account for 20 percent of world cervical cancer and yet it has gone down 50 with use of cervical screening programs.

    And it all was bullshit it was a goddam joke.
    It is all about the dollars.

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  193. @Laura

    I think whorefinder is right in one way that a lot of women do like it (and I would suspect in his circles the % may be higher than in the general population), but he shouldn’t generalise on women based on his personal experience.

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  194. on July 14, 2010 at 5:53 pm Badger Nation

    McArdle easily falls into the trap of blogging. She starts with expertise in economics, moves into politics, and then thinks she can make the leap to popular culture and pop psychology. And she stakes her claim in the silliest of ways, calling men girly.

    If you have it, it takes a lot of skill to move fluidly through disparate subject matter. Roissy does it well. If you don’t have it, it takes a lot of discipline to keep your blogging focused so you don’t out yourself as a fool.

    Just like princess women have gotten more demanding and bitchy as the marriage strike gains steam, journalists have gotten very narcissistic about being journalists since the web took off – they insist on their singular value just at the moment their value is being pulled out from under them. They could adapt to the times and accept that they have to change to stay relevant, but pride goeth before a fall.

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  195. Thursday,
    I asked about getting the vaccine and the nurse told me no based on the fact that I’m married.

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  196. on July 14, 2010 at 5:59 pm ex-commentor

    Peep this:

    http://www.parentdish.com/2010/07/13/mama-make-me-a-match/

    Mom tries to set up her own son for potential suitors. According to this article many are doing the same.

    Poor chumps.

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  197. Wow. Complete, utter and total devastation. Take a bow.

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  198. @Steve Johnson on logic etc
    I think a lot (if not most) women, at least relatively attractive ones learn pretty young what behaviour gets most attention from the opposite sex and at some stage decide to not engage in said bevahiour so as not to deal with excess attention (as slightly referenced in McArdle’s earlier article on early twenties and players which was linked to).

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  199. on July 14, 2010 at 6:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    ppv is the new threat to mens sexuality and freedom Sex without marriage will be criminalized and after divorce no more sex.

    ”””””@gunslinger
    You can think with ‘logic’ as much as you want but whether it’s ‘fucking around’ or not, it is caused by something sexually transmitted”””””””

    Believed.

    ””””””Because cervical cancer is believed to be due, in part, to the acquisition of HPV,””””””

    40k number is nuts on a fem site I read it other sites say 24 a day. But yea if you do math developing world on par with developed. So yea who is right.

    Just seems like another aids scare. But this time a little shadier a littler more sinister.

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  200. on July 14, 2010 at 6:08 pm whorefinder

    Lily the Thunder-Whore:

    he shouldn’t generalise on women based on his personal experience.

    —-Translation: we’re all special snowflakes!!! How dare you use logic and experience and results to discover the truth! Feminism is not about truth!

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  201. There are many different “types of HPV. Only a few of them are associated with gyn cancers. But like a lot of things in life, it can really suck to draw the Black Bean.
    It can also really suck to spend the twilight of your life looking back with bitter regret upon The Fucks You Were Meant to Have but Didn’t.

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  202. on July 14, 2010 at 6:08 pm Gunslingergregi

    did aids hiv get cured?
    Can you cure a virus?
    Is everyone dead?
    I rest my case.

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  203. @lily: “the book was written by an eastern european woman and the guidelines were exactly the sort of thing”

    You said this was an online book; I like reading such things. Men should read such things, if only for self defensive purposes. I only found out about it from a platonic friend who described my way of interacting with some women as “rules boy.” I figure there is a whole secret trove of knowledge there that most women won’t share for fear of us helpless dudes not falling for their tricks.

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  204. lily – Condoms don’t prevent the spread of HPV

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  205. @whorefinder
    “—-Translation: we’re all special snowflakes!!! How dare you use logic and experience and results to discover the truth! Feminism is not about truth!”
    As we say in England, b****cks.

    You said I had an issue with comprehension, I would say you do.

    If I were to use my logic and experience, I would say women don’t like being hit in the face. But I do know that some women do like it so I would never say all women don’t. And I never claimed to be a feminist in the definition of the less salubrious people who comment on this blog.

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  206. on July 14, 2010 at 6:33 pm whorefinder

    If I were to use my logic and experience, I would say women don’t like being hit in the face. But I do know that some women do like it so I would never say all women don’t.

    —Let’s diagram the (non)workings of the female mind here.

    Sentence A: “Experience dictates women don’t like being hit in the face.”

    Problem: Straw man; I said hit, not in the face necessarily.

    Sentence B: “But I have experience knowing women who like it. ”

    Problem: Sentence B directly contradicts sentence A.

    This is why women never create anything of value. For while she directly contradicts herself but one sentence later, her tiny female brain cannot grasp her own contradiction!

    No wonder ancients had to debate whether women had souls. They’re incapable of rational thought.

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  207. on July 14, 2010 at 6:36 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””WendyW 14 minutes ago in reply to doctorpat

    “Which leads me to wonder: How did their parents become parents if they couldn’t get a romantic partner? ”

    Because before the sexual/feminist revolution, a woman who wanted a respectible life with some financial security needed to find a (as in one, singular) man and marry him. Women were taught that chasing after a guy who slept with every woman he could find was a bad idea. Hence, women sought out and found “nice guys” who didn’t have much of a social clue, but that was okay because she took care of that.

    Well, that wasn’t good enough, because many women ended up unhappy and unfullfilled by their 40’s. So the whole sexual/feminist revolution came along and now we find that many, perhaps even more, women still remain unhappy and unfilled by their 40’s, only now they’re joined by a whole bunch of guys who used to be okay and happy and now aren’t. Like most Lefitst solutions, the Naomi Wolf-style feminism “works” by making more people miserable, instead of making more people happy. ”””””””

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  208. Sad to see how people are ignoring HPV as a threat, or HIV. In clinics, evidence is there and not a myth. Regular every day people can get it. wake up.

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  209. OFF-TOPIC here, but would appreciate some advice/insight.

    Am currently teetering on the edge of having some kind of relationship with a 21-year old college student, some 16 years my junior. She’s obviously interested in me and attracted to me as she keep finding excuses to stop by and talk to me at great length at my workplace.

    But here’s the thing–it’s basically an adversarial relationship. I don’t think she’s actually said one nice thing so far. It’s all joking insults and that sort of thing, which I respond to either by throwing them back, ignoring them or some other form of assholery.

    Then I get stuff like, “I’m mad at you–I’m not talking to you anymore”, to which I respond “OK.” She leaves. The next day she’s back again.

    I’m trying to move things along somehow but there’s only so many nice things I can say before I’m putting myself out and instead of her being interested in me the tables will turn and it’ll become me, the older guy who’s after her and I think, in her mind, a plaything. Fuck that. I want control of the ball.

    What to do?

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  210. on July 14, 2010 at 6:48 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””2 people liked this.

    “Me too, and I’ve heard this is a common beta characteristic. Let me guess: you don’t like the fake bravado and status displays that are characteristic of male friendships.”

    Nailed it.

    “Exactly. Going where women are is certainly a good plan, but you have to create attraction immediately. That doesn’t necessarily mean hitting on them right away, but it does mean adjusting your behavior so that your first impression conveys confidence and high status. ”

    Gotta be honest, based on how uncanny you were above, I’m inclined to believe this. Bit of a fallacy, but there it is.
    Flag Like ReplyReply Brian_2 17 hours ago in reply to downfall

    3 people liked this.

    Nailed it.

    Let’s see if I can keep going: you value truth highly, and find the entire concept of marketing somewhat distasteful. You’re aware of and will openly acknowledge both your strengths and your weaknesses. You prefer to work independently, or in groups of equals where you neither give nor take orders. You enjoy having a reputation for quality work or being a good person, but direct praise makes you vaguely uncomfortable and you don’t at all enjoy being the center of attention. You feel you can express yourself to your female friends in ways that would cause male friends to look down on you.

    You and I are non-players in the status game. Our female friends may tell us they appreciate our honesty and emotional support, and at the conscious level they do, but their “lizard brains” have long since rejected us as romantic partners after assigning us a social status of less than zero.

    So, how to fix this: ummm… ””””””

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  211. Original JB–

    So the obvious solution is a double-standard in “committed” relationships: men are allowed to have affairs, women keep the tingle, men don’t leave. Everybody wins.

    Exactly. Or at least alpha men are and maybe higher betas.

    Tis how it used to be in almost all civilizations through history until dreadful feminism, in this case first wave feminism, and is still in most countries outside the Anglosphere.

    But the wife also get’s his emotional commitment and I think veto power over any particular girl, based on embarrassment to her or he’s getting genuinely too in love with her. She gets to know as much or as little as she wants.

    And occasional flings aren’t allowed to become an all the huge time sink obsession for him, not detract markedly from her and any offspring’s standard of living.

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  212. @Nutz: ” Why anyone would have a problem with that is beyond me, don’t you agree?”

    Nice compliance test. Very nice.

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  213. on July 14, 2010 at 7:05 pm Gunslingergregi

    And this ties in with educated woman who are more prone to read everything that is out there but not do any math.
    Every single incident that happens is a giant scare and something that needs to be taken very seriuosly.

    Why?

    Because the official media outlets for woman told her so.

    They read it all and have a head full of read shit but no concept of big fucking numbers to put it all in perspective.

    ””””””’Mcardle spending your spare time trolling message boards for magic tricks to impress women with . . . well, would she be more enamored, or would she slither out of bed in disgust and start looking for her clothes?
    ”””””””
    How did Mcardle hear of game?
    Did her husband catch her trolling message boards?

    ””””Mcardle but for now let me point out that as a married woman in her thirties, I have very little possible interest in the behavior of the PUAs; ”””””’

    Why was she researching game?

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  214. @whorefinder

    “Problem: Straw man; I said hit, not in the face necessarily.”
    Quote from you above “She’ll be out trolling for the man who’ll slap her face

    “Sentence B: “But I have experience knowing women who like it. ”
    Where did I say that? I have no personal experience of any woman telling me herself that she like being hit in the face. That does not mean that some women don’t like being hit in the face during sex (or otherwise).

    Now, who has a problem with comprehension?

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  215. There’s a lot of misinformation about HPV. I’ve looked into it, and as well discussed it with Bhetti, who’s just finished her 3rd year med student exams in London. She had a paper involving research into aspects of it as well.

    First of all it’s extremely prevalent in the US. Some estimates are that about 70-80% of college women will have been exposed to it by the time they graduate. Most strains don’t seem to do anything injurious though. Scores of strains, maybe 80 iirc. Further most girls who are exposed, the overwhelming majority, will have their immune systems fight the virus off, thus developing long term immunity to that (those) strains of it.

    For those small number who wouldn’t have neutralized the gyn cancer inducing strains automatically, the now available vaccines would / will create an immunity ahead of time, thus greatly diminishing the gyn cancer risk for this small group. However, annual pap smears will with great reliability catch precancerous conditions before anything problematic develops, if done annually. The girls/women in the US who get cervical cancer are the ones at the end of this whole chain of exclusion, who don’t get annual (even bi annual would probably work) gyn examinations including pap smears. I.e some of the poor, the uninsured who don’t pay for annual checkups, and the very neglectful.

    Using condoms cuts down on the risk of HPV transmission but way way less than for most STI’s. Pelvic to pelvic contact etc can and does transmit it.

    With this information if you can’t figure out that unless you’re gonna have one sexual partner in your life, or maybe two, and your husband wife really the same, reducing the number of sexual partners you have isn’t going to materially reduce your chances of getting cervical cancer. Getting the vaccine might though.

    Basically, yeah you’ve already been exposed girls, and you immune system has delt with it, leaving you immune.

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  216. Fight. Fight. Fight.

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  217. Doug1,
    The vaccine is routinely given to younger women. From what I was told older women don’t usually get it, maybe for the reason you are saying.

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  218. biktopia–

    or HIV

    The heterosexual transmission of HIV among heterosexuals in the US and Europe was largely a fear and is largely a myth.

    Except if a woman sleeps with an IV drug user, or a bisexual man who takes it up the chute.

    This is for a number of reasons. It’s many times more likely / easier for a woman to contract HIV from vaginal intercourse than a man. To oversimplify and exaggerate a bit, penis’s don’t get HIV (unless they have sores), but they do spread it. Vaginas and assholes get HIV. And veins do w/dirty needles.

    Anyone who takes it up the chute from an infected man straight or gay w/out a condom over time runs a considerable risk of contracting it. Anuses get aids a good lot more easily than vagina’s do. Hence the widespread gay transmission before safer sex practices.

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  219. biktopic–

    It was not PC to brute this about in the media because:

    1) funding for AIDs treatments and vaccines for gays and IV drug users might be adversely effected if first world heteros didn’t feel so threatened;

    2) condom use is important for lowering the spreading of other STI’s and HIV/AIDS is the mega scare that gets people to use them, even if other methods of birth control are in place.

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  220. Laura–

    Yes it’s for the reason I’m saying. Most definitely.

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  221. Winter

    Leave her with the impression that you are already getting your dick wet on a regular basis.
    Make sure that such an impression is accurate.

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  222. @Laura
    The reason the vaccine is not given to women over the age of 25 is because they haven’t done the trials on it. It is possible to get the vaccine in private clinics over that age in the UK. I believe they are going through the trials for the FDA at the moment for Gardasil. I think once that’s done, they will be marketing it at a wider audience.

    In England, they are giving young girls the competitor cervarax as it was the most cost effective way of getting it to as many girls as possible (NHS considerations) but it doesn’t cover as much as Gardasil which also has some protection over other diseases (and as chic said HPV is not 100% preventable by condoms) so some women I know are taking their teenage daughters to private clinics for Gardasil.

    I have no objection to young girls being given an HPV vaccine as name had, IMO it’s no different to being given a rubella vaccination. And as I said out of the two women I know (one who died one who has nearly died) of cervical cancer, they were both (unusually) women who married their 1st or 2nd boyfriend.

    As far as I know, most women have probably been exposed to it and shaken it off but just because you’ve shaken one strain off doesn’t mean you can shake another strain off. Caveat not a medical professional.

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  223. on July 14, 2010 at 7:32 pm Gunslingergregi

    Doug buddy check the ratios.

    3 percent variation which for 100k deaths worldwide 3k deaths diference. Between the medical in the developing world. And at 120 dollars to 240 dollars tells me developing world isn’t getting its money worth.

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  224. on July 14, 2010 at 7:37 pm Gunslingergregi

    Check out the ratios.
    3 percent variation between developing and developed world which for 100k deaths worldwide 3 k deaths diference which at 120 dollars to 240 dollars for the cost of birthing a baby in a hospital in the developing world for comparative purposes. or 150 dollars for surgery sounds like the developed world has a hell of lot of money invested in something that is not giving back a decent return.

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  225. Lily–

    I have no objection to young girls being given an HPV vaccine as name had, IMO it’s no different to being given a rubella vaccination.

    Especially since heavy “petting” can transmit it. That’s a good thing to tell parents as well.

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  226. [editor: you either have poor reading comprehension, or you’re a liar. i never wrote such a thing. please see the post “defining the alpha male”. the next time you put words in my mouth, i’m banning you. tread carefully.]

    There are shades of gray between alpha and beta. As Roissy wrote, in the Dating Market Test for Men, if you play soccer, you earn 4 points. if you don’t play, but follow closely, you earn 2 poitns. If you dont play and don’t follow, -1. If you actually hate soccer, you earn -4 and should go to the Dating Market test for fags.

    From soccer hating annally abused fag to Harem Master super alpha soccer player, there is a continuum of grey.

    [editor: i always look forward to a gig comment. no homo.]

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  227. Lol! I gotta laugh at all the shit these women go on with about how ‘valuable’ they are and how us men are so ‘lucky’ to get laid. I don’t even do ‘game’ as such. I just have my little elevator pitch about my life to date which was as a great ‘beta-provider-man-slave-loser’ and the women immediately think they are in with a chance of getting me to do it again even when I tell them I won’t.
    And since I recently and irreversibly crossed the line to alpha after 46.5 years of being a ‘beta’ I simply be a little alpha, play the minimum of ‘gasme’, give them the ‘elevator pitch’ and pretty soon it’s “let me prove to you I am worth having around”.
    Women are so desperate now it’s beyond a joke. All they want is ‘babies and money’ and some dumb smuck to pay for them. And if you do pay for them you really are a dumb smuck. Let them be ‘equal’ and pay for themselves.

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  228. Sniper:

    “This is why all this “sexual liberation” is kind of convenient. Now that all sex is okay, it’s easier than ever to weed out the hornballs who want minimal investment for getting their dicks in something remotely attractive. It’s a glorious shit test.”

    It’s a good test for weeding out high maintenance women. If a girl isn’t a virgin when you meet her, she’s as much of a slut as a chick who puts out on the first night. She just has an inflated sense of self worth.

    PS Every guy wants minimal investment.

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  229. on July 14, 2010 at 7:46 pm Gunslingergregi

    Or it sounds like developed world universities are not giving value for dollars spent. Maybe womans study classes are not creating the types of people that add actual value to society if they cannot beat the qoute “developing world” with the infrastructure suposedly in place.
    Maybe those layers being added to workforce and paid don’t add any value at all because where the work getting done only requires so many hands the people above that work create a massive web of entitled paid uselessness.

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  230. @Lupo
    Sorry! Forgot I’d mentioned an ebook, that’s what happens when you post on various threads with a glass of read wine in your hand but no excuse 🙂

    I’ll have a look tomorrow to see if I can dig it out, I paid for it so I should have it somewhere. x

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  231. on July 14, 2010 at 7:48 pm Gunslingergregi

    look at the ratios doug use the brain on this one. got a comment in mod.

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  232. biktopia–

    To make what I said about the unlikelihood of true heteros getting HiV even with condomless sex clearer, ask yourself this:

    How’s a hetero guy who’s not an IV drug user and not bisexual (and taking it up his own chute gonna) get HIV? Penises w/out sores don’t get it from girls that’ve got it, except once in a blue moon.

    So if you’re only screwing that type of guy how you gonna get it? You don’t is the answer.

    Unless the guy’s screwing a dry chute w/out lube, mean and fast, in which case he’ll maybe get lesions on that prick and the risk gets way up. This apparently happens alot in Africa, where it’s widespread for girls to us anal sex as birth control, and where astroglide or ever vasoline is rare. as well in africa lots of pricks do have sores.

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  233. Rivelino challenges, “Find me one aging, past her prime, stuck up, pseudo-intellectual, uptight, bitter 37 year old woman who approves of game.”

    Would 40, creatively intellectual, and picky count?

    Game is simply what the older men in the family used to teach the younger ones before they were removed by the court system or silenced by their harpy wives.

    It is an essential skill that all men should have so they don’t get screwed over or settle for someone who makes them miserable, and who in turn they will make miserable.

    Plus, a certain amount of real life experience is required before a man can truly appreciate a good woman. If he doesn’t get that, then with all the empty promises being wafted across his eyes on television and porn, he’ll always think the grass is greener.

    A guy has to test his limits to see what they truly are.

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  234. on July 14, 2010 at 7:56 pm Original JB

    @doug:
    [quote]But the wife also get’s his emotional commitment and I think veto power over any particular girl, based on embarrassment to her or he’s getting genuinely too in love with her. She gets to know as much or as little as she wants. [/quote]

    Exactly. Women get security, men get sexual variety. As it shoud be.

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  235. on July 14, 2010 at 7:58 pm Gunslingergregi

    The stats are cervical cancer deaths fuck hpv look at end result developing world vs developed world almost same on deaths.

    978,186,023 people living in developed countries. 20 percent
    5,727,771,964 living in developing countries.80 percent

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cervical_cancer
    ”””’In developed countries, the widespread use of cervical screening programs has reduced the incidence of invasive cervical cancer by 50% or more”””’

    When ya do math developed countries 17.08 percent rounded yet account for 20 percent of world cervical cancer and yet it has gone down 50 with use of cervical screening programs.

    And it all was bullshit it was a goddam joke.
    It is all about the dollars.

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  236. @Doug

    I remember reading years ago that in certain parts of Africa there was a custom when a man died his brother would take on the wife. So given men were dying of Aids but the custom wasn’t changing, HIV was getting more widespread than it was otherwise.

    I think it was in the guardian though so could have been a load of tosh.

    I’d be a lot more scared of getting HPV, herpes or AIDS, but really I don’t want any of those things.

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  237. meant to say than not or Aids. Still. Don’t think anyone should be encouraging anyone to ‘rawdog’ it, in the words of Roosh, who appears to have a lot of experience of it.

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  238. on July 14, 2010 at 8:00 pm Original JB

    yea lets enslave more groups of people great idea. Last I checked I was fat but I have also paid into health insurance for 15 years and went to doctor like what maybe three times.

    Aren’t you a fairly young guy still? It goes downhill quickly after 40 unless you really change your habits.

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  239. Oh snap, globalman is here.
    😯

    *chic noir hard tails out of the chateau*

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  240. But JB, if the woman gets sexual variety too everyone’s happy!

    And she could pass on the alpha genes for the good of all human mankind!

    lzolzollzollzolzollzol

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  241. on July 14, 2010 at 8:06 pm Original JB

    “But JB, if the woman gets sexual variety too everyone’s happy!”

    If women get sexual variety, you’re right back at square one: men have no reason to marry.

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  242. dougThis apparently happens alot in Africa, where it’s widespread for girls to us anal sex as birth control

    Source please and I never ask.

    Dry vaginal sex is common is africa. Anal sex is thought of as perverted amongst most tribes.

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  243. @chic noir
    I never thought I would say this but google ‘anal sex’ (with africa).

    I read about this thing a while back in the papers but never felt the need to google it till now. My neighbour’s sharing my wifi at the moment, hope he’s not watching the traffic 😉

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  244. Doug1: “The girls/women in the US who get cervical cancer are the ones at the end of this whole chain of exclusion, who don’t get annual (even bi annual would probably work) gyn examinations including pap smears.”

    This is one of the largest issues I have with the “vaccinate every girl” approach. The US woman at the end of this “chain of exclusion” are miniscule compared to the women of less-developed nations. In my opinion, the women who most need this vaccine are the least likely to get it.

    Also, (not an MD), but I thought the HPV-cancer link has much to do with cervical warts that are left untreated. Even if a woman contracts HPV that her immune system can’t vanquish on its own, warts are highly treatable (removable), and again, women receiving regular examinations are more likely to have such cervical warts detected and treated.

    @Laura: “The vaccine is routinely given to younger women. From what I was told older women don’t usually get it, maybe for the reason you are saying.”

    I always assumed it was because giving the vaccine to older women would largely be a waste of health care resources, since sexual activity nearly extinguishes for so many, but not all, of them. Also, older women have often become True Believers in the annual exam, whereas younger women might not be so inclined, thus the likelihood of detecting and treating HPV before it can cause a problem is presumably higher for the older set. Even if an older woman is exposed to HPV, contracts veneral warts, and is on her way to developing cervical cancer, what is the probability that she will die of something else first? I’m not saying it’s likely, I’m just pointing out that in the Brave New World of health care, it will be rationed, and the elders (including older women) will get shorted.

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  245. Lily

    But JB, if the woman gets sexual variety too everyone’s happy!

    No.

    Married women who have been married for a while who screw another man that they’re choosy about picking, as women usually are, are really really to develop strong feelings for that other man. Since most women are built such that they can only have romantic love/lust feelings strongly for one man at a time, she’s very, very likely to after awhile have greatly diminished sexual feelings for her husband. This isn’t true of every woman, perhaps not the sluttier ones, but it is true of most. Many women will even feel disgust after awhile at the idea of continuing to have intercourse much with their husbands when this happens, or to recommence doing so. See e.g. Elizabeth Langley’s “Women’s Infidelity”.

    In such a case the wife may still say she “loves her husband” but she doesn’t sexually desire him, and can’t be induced by him to do so. A Rubicon has been passed. She might want to remain in the marriage for kids or just because he’s a good provider and they’re compatible, best friends, but she’s unlikely to sexually desire him for full sex, where she surrenders to him emotionally, again.

    These days and for some time women will usually divorce their husbands when this happens, even if their lover is married and won’t leave his wife, or she realizes he’s unsuitable, really, as a husband, even if thrilling. She figures she’ll find a new husband or lover since her feelings for her husband just aren’t the “in love” type anymore. Often men don’t have a clue this is really why their wives filed for divorce.

    Women, projecting their own feelings and instincts feel in their gut that this is how men are too, especially they do these equalist / sameness feminist propaganda days, but for the most part they’re wrong. Screwing another woman won’t make most men want to stop screwing his wife. It’s likely to make him want to more in fact. That is if the marriage is basically in good shape, with a bit of same old set in or whatever.

    Most men with strong sex drives, certainly alpha men, love having harems. They also love thing short of that but involving a fling now and then, not too often.

    A second reason is that most men have strong built in jealousy, which evo psych says is due to wife guarding against having to invest his loving time and resources in another man’s genetic child.

    A whole large part of women now thinking letting a man play a little on occasion and with real discretion automatically greatly diminishes her is due to feminist messages, going back for this one to first wave feminism.

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  246. @PT
    If the woman had the HPV vaccine, she would be far less likely to be in a position to have the warts in the first place.

    But you’re right, it’s the older women who get shorted, see my comments above. In the UK you get the PAPs at every 3 years, I believe it goes down to every 5 years later on in your life. You don’t choose when you get PAP smears, the NHS says. Both the women I know who got cervical cancer were 40+. It wouldn’t have happened if they had been given more regular PAP tests, who checks their own cervix for warts..not sure that’s possible, not sure how big they are.

    And you’re right in the greater scale of things the women who are most vulnerable in the developing world arent getting the protection (see my comments to gunslinger who thinks it’s great that Indonesian women don’t have doctors checking them) but hopefully their governments will take it on board as they have rubella vaccinations in the past. If not, I guess Bill & Melinda Gates or NGOS will have to step in. But it doesn’t mean that develped nations shouldn’t vaccinate their young women or expand vaccinations to other women.

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  247. on July 14, 2010 at 8:29 pm Aspiring2bAlpha

    The jawboning is highly entertaining, though, when it involves shitting on people like McArdle.

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  248. @Doug
    You missed my lzolzollzollzolzollzol

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  249. Roissy , I salute you.

    Hell , men right across the globe should be saluting you.

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  250. chic noir–

    Dry vaginal sex is common is africa.

    yes I’ve read that too. Another route of transmission. Basically it gets transmitted when there are skin lesions, or more rarely in vaginas that seem to have none. (Maybe they do though.)

    As for sources, follow Lily’s suggestion.

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  251. “”I wonder if McArdle is aware she has indicted her own gender?””

    Since I’ve started practicing game, I’ve also paid more attention to what the Chinese women in my social circle say.

    Constantly I hear this same refrain:

    “There are no good men in Hong Kong”…

    “Men here don’t know how to treat a woman/be men”

    They demand gifts and attention, Valentine’s Day here in our office resembles the day Secretariat won the Kentucky Derby with flowers piled to the roof from “your admirer”—women dump them in the trash or laugh to me about how “creepy” it is.

    Yet, in many cases when I run game, the reaction is for them to retreat. Maybe it’s my approach which I’m refining and getting used to.

    But on another level, I wonder if it’s this mentality expressed in these feminist blog posts: ‘I want a shag but all men are just trying to get into my pants…the nerve!’

    You can’t have your cock and eat it too….

    The biggest manipulation I’ve faced is that when I get the IOI’s and then go direct…they retreat. At some point this weird mating ritual becomes dull and I move on.

    So I wonder if in some cases the feminist agenda has effectively ruined it for women who want to get banged but have it drilled into them that to do so would make them sluts.

    It’s done both men and women who want to get banged a huge disservice to have to apologize for being the animals we are and going for it.

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  252. PT, Lily–

    The American CDC recommends 12yo girls get the vaccine if iirc.

    I believe Bhetti was saying that the NHS is working to phase it in at something like that age.

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  253. Lily–

    didn’t miss and should have acknowledged/played with it a bit.

    But wanted to say what I did to you and others what I did to put it out there.

    I and others here have talked about this some months ago but not recently.

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  254. doug yes I’ve read that too. Another route of transmission

    exactly, dry sex increases the liklyhood of vaginal tears that give the virus a gateway into the blood stream.

    doug As for sources, follow Lily’s suggestion.

    lily You missed my lzolzollzollzolzollzol

    ok

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  255. doug
    I didn’t miss *you and you should have acknowledged/played with it a bit.

    But wanted to say what I did to you and others and what I did to put it out there.

    darn doug, lily too. Man you get all the women. but it isn’t right to make movies and post them on the net. And you wonder why the bitter betas don’t like you 🙂

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  256. HPV vaccine isn’t given to older women because it is thought to be less effective with existent previous exposure i.e. considered not worth it by the powers that be. Interim results of trials are consistent with this.

    It’s an expensive vaccine.

    Warts is not the same as cervical cancer. Both are caused by HPV, if generally not the same strains. Unlike Cervarix, Gardasil covers warts as well. The latter strengthens justification for giving Gardasil to males.

    Of course the way in which vaccination is being used defies vaccination principles. Its about herd immunity rather than individual.

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  257. on July 14, 2010 at 8:43 pm greatbooksformen

    lozlzlzlzozlzozozlzzolzozzoz

    younger h0otter tighter

    lotsa cocka

    thT’S ALL YA NEED TO KNOWS.

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  258. @Doug
    It’s in, they have been vaccinating 12 year old girls for a year or two (and will do so every year) and also doing a ‘catch up’ programme on girls who are older but still in school. They are doing it at school (like rubella vaccinations have been done for a long time) rather than through GPs.

    But they are doing Cervarix which is not as comprehensive as Gardasil (but when balancing this against other demands on the nationwide healthcare budget it makes sense) so some of the women I know with teenage daughters are taking them to private clinics to get Gardasil.

    [editor: this is a boring discussion. boring. BOOOooooooooOOOOOOooooooRRRRRIIING.

    boring!

    la boring. le boring. das boring.

    tweedle dee tweedle boring.

    supercalifragilisticexpealiboring.

    aaaaaaaaaaaand…….. boring.]

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  259. Gunslinger gregi:

    “Well, that wasn’t good enough, because many women ended up unhappy and unfullfilled by their 40′s. So the whole sexual/feminist revolution came along and now we find that many, perhaps even more, women still remain unhappy and unfilled by their 40′s, only now they’re joined by a whole bunch of guys who used to be okay and happy and now aren’t. Like most Lefitst solutions, the Naomi Wolf-style feminism “works” by making more people miserable, instead of making more people happy.”

    Unhappy women in their 40s lead to excess cat populations.

    Unhappy men lead to society coming apart.

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  260. on July 14, 2010 at 8:49 pm Cannon's Canon

    last night, i finally caved in and read a girl’s palm for the first time. total impulse move. i couldn’t believe how much she loved the idiotic shit i was babbling out of my mouth, completely off the cuff, with almost zero gameplan going in.

    [editor: you know, i read my first girlpalm in almost a year a few weeks ago on a very SMRT swpl. i had forgotten just how catnipply that is to chicks. she started asking me to do her friends palms. (heh she said do) they gathered around me like i was christ haysoos hisself about to perform a miracle.]

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  261. Quote “it’s one thing to understand Game and dismiss it; it’s another to caricature it and dismiss it. McArdle does the latter, which is why her comments probably didn’t deserve two lengthy retorts from the Chateaumeister. ”

    Nevertheless , by responding Roissy has crystallised the essence of Man and Game for all and comprehend and understand.

    McArdle signed the cheque , Roissy cashed it in.

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  262. @greatbooksformen

    I like the points you make about tucker max being accepted by the establishment and fiat dollars.

    It really is a shame that I’m not young enough for you (perhaps the 21 year party girl who is riding the cock carousel and had many more partners than me is tighter than me who knows?), alas we will never know.

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  263. @editor
    Ok, fair enough 🙂 I’ll shut up on HPV and vaccines now and will sit on my hands if anyone else mentions it!

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  264. [editor: this is a boring discussion. boring. BOOOooooooooOOOOOOooooooRRRRRIIING.

    boring!

    la boring. le boring. das boring.

    tweedle dee tweedle boring.

    supercalifragilisticexpealiboring.

    aaaaaaaaaaaand…….. boring.]

    hahahaha. funny.

    our editor has had some vino.

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  265. Lily–

    I’d like to get your reactions to this:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/07/14/feminists-still-not-getting-it-never-will/#comment-187110

    Because I realize you like most Anglosphere women think male complete fidelity in marriage is really important to you, but at the same time are quite open minded and smart, I’ve come to think.

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  266. “last night, i finally caved in and read a girl’s palm for the first time. total impulse move. i couldn’t believe how much she loved the idiotic shit i was babbling out of my mouth, completely off the cuff, with almost zero gameplan going in.

    [editor: you know, i read my first girlpalm in almost a year a few weeks ago on a very SMRT swpl. i had forgotten just how catnipply that is to chicks. she started asking me to do her friends palms. (heh she said do) they gathered around me like i was christ haysoos hisself about to perform a miracle.]last night, i finally caved in and read a girl’s palm for the first time. total impulse move. i couldn’t believe how much she loved the idiotic shit i was babbling out of my mouth, completely off the cuff, with almost zero gameplan going in.”

    Hah hah, I still remember someone doing this to me, and this was 15 years ago. I was so naive I thought he must have know what he was doing as he was half Indian. I’d like to think if someone tried it on me now I’d slap him over letting him finger my palm but I think even to the less mystic amongst us, it’s chick crack.

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  267. on July 14, 2010 at 9:02 pm Vincent Ignatius

    last night, i finally caved in and read a girl’s palm for the first time. total impulse move.

    I sometimes wonder if my game is suffering because I refuse to do this shit. I was dating a Chinese girl recently who told me she really believes in Chinese astrology and consults her astrological calendar every day. All I could say was “You’re getting your Ph.D. in math.” and stare at her in disbelief.

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  268. “Marriage is no plenury indulgence from the soul ripping cenobite chains of the sexual market.”

    This may be the single most ridiculous sentence I have ever read.

    [editor: where’s your sense of adventure?]

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  269. Lily, nah, what you do is keep tarot cards in your purse. So when a guy starts the mystic line, you offer him a card reading.

    The cards can say whatever you want them to. 😉

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  270. @Thursday

    French polemic Alain Soral (because of his realist views) explained it like this: the classical writer was obsessed by the girl next-door, writing a full novel about the perfect love while never being able to say a simple “hi” in real life.
    The successfull player was simply too busy pounding her and all of her bourgeoisie’s girlfriends. No time for lengthy books.

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  271. editor: you know, i read my first girlpalm in almost a year a few weeks ago on a very SMRT swpl. i had forgotten just how catnipply that is to chicks. she started asking me to do her friends palms. (heh she said do) they gathered around me like i was christ haysoos hisself about to perform a miracle.]

    *chic noir gives meat to the vultures*

    for some women the palm is an erogenous zone. For some of us it’s a very sensitive part of the body. If an attractive man takes his index finger and swirls it around a bit while giving the woman his undivided attention,it can give some of us the tingles or make us feel like we have to sneeze.

    [editor: sneeze from your vagina?]

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  272. Vincent–

    I sometimes wonder if my game is suffering because I refuse to do this shit. I was dating a Chinese girl recently who told me she really believes in Chinese astrology and consults her astrological calendar every day. All I could say was “You’re getting your Ph.D. in math.” and stare at her in disbelief.

    It is yes.

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  273. Vincent-

    “All I could say was “You’re getting your Ph.D. in math.” and stare at her in disbelief.”

    –you needed me on speed dial so I could have told you exactly what to say to have succeed in a proper mind fuck. hee, hee.

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  274. Vincent-

    p.s.- astrology is incredibly mathematical at its core.

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  275. @Doug
    “I’d like to get your reactions to this”
    I think you are right on your analysis of women.
    I’ve never understood the cuckolding thing because to me personally I can’t have sex with more than one guy at a time. I’ve never had sex with more than one guy in a month (even with protection, it could fail and at least you need to know who the father of your baby is), personally in my case even in my pre marriage days it was more like 6 months or a year for other reasons but I was always aware of the biology.

    On men, I don’t think it’s projecting, I think most women know that some/most men think in different ways but still expect them to be faithful. Even if they don’t admit it publicly (or maybe to themselves even?). You made a good point recently in another thread about expectations of women in different types of men.

    I have though a lot about this topic recently as I’m looking at what sort of man I commit to next and having been married and being the sort of person (for some reason I have no idea) that people tell all sorts of things to, I know that some guys are more likely to ‘cheat’ than others (maybe more linked to opportunity than desire) and how I would feel about that. Ideally whilst of course I would prefer to have a great sex life with one guy and that be enough for both of us, I have to be realistic. There is one guy out the five who have expressed an interest in a relationship/marriage to me (I really must actually start dating to expand my dating pool instead of hanging out on internet forums ha ha) who is a natural alpha (but with the right sort of beta traits) and given what I know about him I would imagine that he would be on the whole be faithful but would be vulnerable to the odd fling (but I don’t think extra marital long term affair which would be a lot harder to deal with, as would a permanent harem).

    However, I don’t agree that all men are able to emotionally disengage in extra marital liaisons.

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  276. On the subject of mysticism as chick crack, a good symbol for PUA’s and other man friendly folk would be an Elegua ileke (necklace).

    Elegua is the very virile Orisha who guards all doorways and gates including the one between the physical and spiritual realm. He is both a trickster and a guardian of justice, and there are quite a few legends about his sorting the good women from the hoes.

    He can take many forms, but the ones he’s most famous for are the seemingly vulnerable boy child, the seemingly feeble old man, and the big, Black dude with a giant cock.

    The necklace should be red and black or white and black, and done in a pattern of threes…like three red, three black, three red, etc. Three cowrie shells can accent the middle area if you like.

    A woman with mystical leanings and even a vague knowledge of Voudun will find it attractive, especially if you understand the symbolism.

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  277. Astrology is chic crack, you boys should learn it. Especially a girl’s Venus and Mars placements.

    For instance, I did a guy’s chart to see where his Venus placement was, it was in Aries:

    “If the planet Venus is in Aries then your number one need for romance is passion! In sexual matters you’re likely to be direct and bold. You’re a flirt and can easily attract others to you even though you prefer to be the one who initiates a relationship. The thrill of the chase is a big turn on in love. In fact, to prevent boredom you must always feel pursued by your lover. Venus in Aries needs plenty of attention and stimulation. Since this is a sign known for assertiveness and independence, in matters of romance and sex, Venus in Aries takes the lead.”

    –I proceeded to act/adapt accordingly. 😉

    [editor: what does it say about those born under the sign of the 12 inch cocka?]

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  278. @Doug
    Just to clarify, I was referring to 5 men I know in real life (and all of them for quite some years), not ‘picked up’ on internet forums 🙂

    And I understand the cuckoldry thing in a greater sense, just not me personally. (though I’m not convinced the husband isn’t actually aware on some level)

    And re my last sentence, based on what I’ve read in online forums and what my male friends have told me (for some reason, people, men and women, tell me all sorts of weird things, half the time I thin k later I really didn’t want to know that).

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  279. @chicnoir
    OMG, you’re right, he said I was smart, he’s flirting with me LOL

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  280. @[editor: what does it say about those born under the sign of the 12 inch cocka?]
    I suspect it says ouch.

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  281. Years of messy real world experience and observation endorse sociobiological theory, while the theory offers guidelines to men looking for answers and a plan of attack. Game is, if nothing else, field tested and motherfucker approved. And that’s what gives it credibility, as opposed to the lofty academic discussions that waft like a stale fart across women’s studies departments. Once a tactic stops working, it is jettisoned in favor of something that does work. If a tactic is proven ineffective, it hardly lasts more than a few approaches before being discarded.

    The sad fact is that multitudes of betas do not do this — they never apply any kind of scientific method to their efforts to get laid. “Beta game” consists of applying the same bad script over and over again, and refusing to jettison it even when it doesn’t work. Eventually they either give up completely or reconcile themselves to getting laid maybe once a year at the most when their ineffective game intersects with a sufficiently drunk or desperate chick. What leads betas into this trap? Bad advice like “just be yourself”, and the belief that you cannot change who you are. Or perhaps foolish pride – “women like assholes, and I refuse to be an asshole just to get laid”.

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  282. [editor: sneeze from your vagina?]

    eww, no my nose.

    expanding on what I said earlier. I guess that’s why old school gentlemen where fond of kissing a woman’s hand and sneakly rubbing their fingers across her palm.

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  283. Doug1,
    I agree with it in theory.

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  284. on July 14, 2010 at 9:30 pm Cannon's Canon

    i was prepped to tease her for believing me for a minute whenever she would finally, inevitably call me out. after i realized that i was actually going to be able to finish this palm-reading, i was looking forward to saying, “ha ha, that’s what rappers call a ‘freestyle’, i made up ‘friends, family, career, love, and life’ in my head 30 seconds before i began running my fingers over your hand”. but when i saw her genuine smile, her twinkling eyes, and her flushed complexion, and heard her coo “thank you” as if i’d written a song about her, i knew that i would have to swallow this secret. i felt like homer or michelangelo or da vinci, creating happiness from thin air and adding value to the world.

    or even van gogh, who “sold one painting in his life—to the sister of one of his friends—for 400 francs ($50). He completed over 800 paintings, now worth billions. Who created more wealth? Van Gogh, or the MBAs and economists who profited while bankrupting Merrill, Lehman, Enron, Fannie, Greece, and the US? Van Gogh or those who transferred massive amounts of wealth on up and debt on down, by merely inflating and deflating fiat bubbles? Is it no wonder, then, that Dante, mentored by Virgil who was mentored by Homer, placed the usurers alongside those who committed crimes against art in the Inferno? And so, if poetic justice is what you seek, more than even gold, then you… have come to the right place, for tomorrow the rugged riders of the immortal soul are again setting out again for that epic, shorted wealth of poetry—that heroic virtue which Socrates himself stated was the source of all enduring wealth.”

    but then i just thought lozlzozlzolzolzzlzozlzol

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  285. Doug1,
    I know you didn’t ask me, but I went and reread what you wrote. Men seem to have a much easier time separating sex and love so your theory would make sense.

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  286. Lily–

    (but I don’t think extra marital long term affair which would be a lot harder to deal with, as would a permanent harem)

    I agree yes, those are too much to ask in these societies of ours.

    On men, I don’t think it’s projecting, I think most women know that some/most men think in different ways but still expect them to be faithful.

    I think you realize this about men much more than most women do. E.g. sure women know that even in love men, at least when that love isn’t brand new, will tend to have wandering eyes more than women do, or earlier in a relationship and so on. “Men are dogs” is how feminist entertainment media charmingly encapsulates this male/female difference. But I think by far most women greatly overestimate the danger that men will tend to fall so much in love w/a fling that they’ll leave their wife or want to stop having sex with their wife, assuming the relationship is basically strong, and not horribly dysfunctional, with the wife belittling hubby all the time. If she makes him feel terribly beta and he lets her do that, then the fling girl who treats him as having some alpha just might be dangerous to the marriage.

    I know that some guys are more likely to ‘cheat’ than others

    Cheating is a lot more problematic than having some sort of permission, tacit or better explicit. Trust issues.

    However, I don’t agree that all men are able to emotionally disengage in extra marital liaisons.

    If the marriage is in real bad shape, you’re right. Also alphas are I think more able to limit their emotional engagement, or anyway not feel they’re a one woman man and can’t really love their wife anymore or sexually desire her, than betas are.

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  287. on July 14, 2010 at 9:49 pm Original JB

    Actually, astrology is quite useful.

    You can gauge the probability that a girl has a nice ass or rack just from her birthchart.

    I’d explain how, but, fuck that, I ain’t giving away all my hard-learned secrets.

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  288. on July 14, 2010 at 9:50 pm greatbooksformen

    lozlzlozozlzlzolzozl

    whadduyah get when you cross ben bernanke with charlotte allen lzozlzlzozlzlz

    hint: it rhymes with goldman sax lzozlzozzlzzo

    why oh why oh why is simon and shuster, rn by a woman, wirings hundreds of thousands of fiat dllars to a secreteive taper of butthex without the girlths contehnt who lies about his height?

    ms. mcardle mcgriddle seems to know everyting else, so hows comes she doesn’t know this?

    lozlzozlzozozo

    loozozlzozlzozoz hey man yougotta cite me: “or even van gogh, who “sold one painting in his life—to the sister of one of his friends—for 400 francs ($50). He completed over 800 paintings, now worth billions. Who created more wealth? Van Gogh, or the MBAs and economists who profited while bankrupting Merrill, Lehman, Enron, Fannie, Greece, and the US? Van Gogh or those who transferred massive amounts of wealth on up and debt on down, by merely inflating and deflating fiat bubbles? Is it no wonder, then, that Dante, mentored by Virgil who was mentored by Homer, placed the usurers alongside those who committed crimes against art in the Inferno? And so, if poetic justice is what you seek, more than even gold, then you… have come to the right place, for tomorrow the rugged riders of the immortal soul are again setting out again for that epic, shorted wealth of poetry—that heroic virtue which Socrates himself stated was the source of all enduring wealth.”

    but then i just thought lozlzozlzolzolzzlzozlzol”

    lzozlzozlozlzlzozozzlzozl

    i love it how everyone is finally getting on the lozlzozozlzlzlo train

    it’s about fucking time

    roissy is ozzy the lead singer to my rhandie rhodes

    note how ater teh neocns took over conservatism rockin guitars went out of style and secretivetapings of butthex without the girlths contehnt became all the rage lzozlzozlzozo

    [editor: NICE SHIRT rhodes.]

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  289. “[editor: what does it say about those born under the sign of the 12 inch cocka?]”

    –It would most likely say he had a Venus in Scorpio, the most sexual/naughty placement there is. Yum. But let’s not forget how important girth is, eh?

    [editor: the girth! of course. now if you’ll excuse me miss i just popped a few buttons on my button fly jeans. could take an eye out shooting across the room like that.]

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  290. Lily–

    who is a natural alpha (but with the right sort of beta traits) and given what I know about him I would imagine that he would be on the whole be faithful but would be vulnerable to the odd fling

    Why wouldn’t someone like him be a damn good husband, if you leave aside post feminist media and girlfriends programming? With real discretion and ground rules?

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  291. A triumph, Roissy.

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  292. Laura–

    Hey you, cool.

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  293. For the ladies:

    —To seduce an Aries man, learn to play the game by his rules. Rule number one is hot pursuit! In fact, for the Aries man, the chase is more thrilling than the catch. Never forget the conquering nature of this mans ego.

    Aries men always want what they cannot have because this brings out their warrior spirit and makes them jump in and fight. Play “hard to get” to ignite that fire in him. You’ll send a message that you’re a prize and since Aries must always win he’ll be determined to win you!
    To seduce an Aries man for the long haul is trickier. Since he loves a challenge and a good fight, you’ll need to make it clear that he cannot dominate you. What will keep him forever aroused is the thrill of him wanting to try.

    Once in a while, let him protect you. Aries men love to be the “knight in shining armour”. To seduce him, never be afraid to yell back in a fight. Otherwise he’ll lose interest and the game will be over.

    —The formula for seducing a Taurus man is simple and predictable. Invite him over for a home cooked meal. Create an appealing ambiance. Answer the door wearing something in a natural fabric he’ll long to touch and if you’re the bold type, wear a sexy negligee instead!

    Be sure you smell like the goddess of love herself, and as you pour him a glass of fine wine, allow him the slightest glimpse of cleavage. The sensual foreplay will have his mouth watering!
    After dinner, go for the prize and give your Taurus man a massage that will guarantee his surrender.

    Indulge his possessive nature and make sure he knows you want to be his and his alone. If you show him you’re responsible with your finances and your loyalty, you’re on your way to being able to seduce a Taurus man for good!

    —A Gemini man is impossible to cling to so if you want to seduce him understand he must be allowed to spread his wings and fly. Gemini men require variety and mental stimulation so you need to seduce his mind. Flirting over the phone, via email or even writing him sexy letters will engage him.

    When you plan to seduce a Gemini man, keep it light. No heavy emotions and no mention of commitment, thank you very much. Be fun, stimulating and don’t be afraid to try something new in bed or at least talk about being willing to try something new. Variety is the key to seducing this man for the long haul but if you ever tell him you intend on a long haul, he’ll fly away.
    Laugh at his jokes, make him feel like the cleverest, witty man around and if he walks away to talk to someone else, let him be. Breathing room is the Gemini man’s aphrodisiac.

    —A Cancer man is a sensitive, protective soul. In order to seduce him, you’ll need to make him feel safe. Help him lick his wounds and provide a love nest that screams security and he’ll be yours before the sun rises.

    Seduce a Cancer man by mothering him. When you care for him in this way, it stirs deep feelings and makes him want to care for you as well. A Cancer man can be the tenderest lover when these feelings are ignited so allow him to smother you!
    Indulge his moods and stroke his hair as he confides deep feelings. Be sure you tell him yours for he needs to be needed. Your trust in him can be a seductive elixir. Once he equates you with security and you have given him the insulation he needs from the world, you can seduce him easily.

    —Every Leo man wants to be treated and revered as a king in their own right. When you understand this as a need and not just a narcissistic quality, you can seduce him.

    Your pursuit and plan of action should be bold, big and dramatic. Put him center stage. Shower him with devotion, respect and admiration and his temperature will rise hotter than his ruler, the Sun!
    The Leo man is looking for the fairytale so to seduce him, prove you’re worthy of his royal treatment. He’s a generous sign and will shower you with gifts but you’d better be prepared to throw rose petals at his feet in appreciation if you ever want to seduce this man.

    Admire his physique while you’re at it. A Leo man takes pride in his appearance and your approval is stimulating. Never, ever wound his ego or embarrass him in public. If you do, you’ll lock the door to his bedroom forever!

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  294. Conservatives always complain the government grows too large…but the private sector is only a good deal for big shots/alpha males

    I’m looking for a federal govt job as we speak…

    There is a third alternative.

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  295. —Take a shower. Yes, I’m serious. The first order of business to seduce a Virgo man is that you respect his need for order, cleanliness and purity. If you want this man to remotely consider touching your body, treat it like a temple.

    The Virgo man is fearful of the unknown. You’ll only be able to seduce him once he believes you will not be full of surprises. Let him know what to expect and be sure you deliver nothing less.
    The Virgo man might put up a cool front but don’t let him fool you. He has deep and sensual needs. If you exercise patience, and can withstand his tendency to over analyze, he will warm up.

    It takes a bit of work to seduce a Virgo man. Ahhh, here is your answer. Roll up your sleeves and show him you’re willing to put work into him and anything else and he will be turned on.
    Finally, his is a mental sign so you must have a meeting of the minds in order to ever have a meeting in the bedroom.

    —If you want to seduce a Libra man, you have to be able to indulge his desire for romantic dinners, beautiful appearances and good taste. Being a total knockout wouldn’t hurt either.

    It’s true; Libra is a sign that appreciates all that is beautiful. Rare is the Libra man who will be with someone he and others don’t consider physically attractive. Other people will be involved since Libra often has great difficulty forming opinions on his own out of fear that he may lose the approval of someone else.
    It follows that in order to seduce the Libra man; you have to engender the approval of other people important in his life. Your appeal goes up when his friends and family are on your side.

    Speak softly, compliment him and spend hours talking because Libra wants to discuss everything with you. Also, admit when you are wrong so your Libra man knows for certain you play fair. Expect a relationship, not only sex. Libra wants love and marriage so if you tell him you want the same, his arms will be wrapped around you in no time. How romantic!

    —With a Scorpio, just take your clothes off and get to it. You don’t have to go out of your way to seduce this man because if he gives you one long, intense gaze and you “feel” his vibe of attraction; you’re good. The truth of the matter is he’s the one in control.

    There must be more than physical attraction to get him to the point where he will allow you to seduce him. He needs an emotional attraction because this sign is one of the most intensely feeling signs in the zodiac and the Scorpio man longs for a sexual experience that transcends physical limitations. He isn’t interested in making love to your body; he wants to make love to your soul. So if you want to seduce a Scorpio man, bare your soul.
    Remember this sign needs to be in control. To land a Scorpio man, be willing to surrender in many areas, or at least be sure he thinks you have. Show him plenty of affection and trust even though it will take him quite some time to extend these sentiments back to you.

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  296. Laura, the separation between sex and love isn’t the problem. It’s the division between sex and ego. There is no such thing as sex for the sake of sex, except with prostitutes. It is, at the very least, about validation, and usually because of legitimate attraction.

    The same attraction that led him to want her can lead him to love her.

    Also, one has to consider the fact that even though he is a man, the women he’s shagging are women. Unless they are very benevolent sluts, they will want him all to themselves, and they will be jealous of the wife.

    If you’re not neglecting him, you have the problem of competition for your position that if you aren’t more beautiful, you may lose in this day and age. This wasn’t so in the past, and isn’t so in very stable cultures where the roles of wives and others have clear purposes and divisions. In a western culture, unless your man is very exceptional, a woman who is younger or prettier or both, can take your man, and he wouldn’t miss you until it was too late to turn back.

    If you are neglecting him, especially sexually, you may as well pack your bags when he starts sleeping around. The other woman doesn’t even have to be prettier than you sometimes.

    It may not always be the case that other women are a threat. They weren’t in the case of me and my husband. Other men aren’t even a threat to him, despite our being platonic. Some people love deeply and forever.

    Most people however, don’t. Love is connected to usefulness. When you’ve overstayed your usefulness in the age of marriage 2.0, you’re gone.

    So one of my unspoken “slut” rules that I adhered to except in the two cases that it was required, is DO NOT MARRY, at least not until you’ve been a couple for five or more years.

    A guy should never have official paperwork entitling him to take you for granted until the hump years have been passed. Until then, you should always be ready to land on your feet.

    Accept his generosity while it lasts, but if it doesn’t, take your lesson and walk away with dignity.

    To accomplish this, ideally, a woman should start early, and not drag her feet about emotional commitment when she meets a worthy, compatible man, and they’re in love.

    The five year buffer is just a kind of failsafe against a guy wasting your entire youth. I was told by my grandmother that this was standard practice for women in her clan of the Catawba tribe, which is why she didn’t press her first fiance to marry right away. Sure enough, his parents managed to get between them right around the PEA expiration date. They didn’t know the science back then, but had a good bead on natural tendencies.

    She was young (and pretty and sweet and resourceful) enough to find another husband soon after the breakup. He insisted on marrying her right away, but she said she didn’t consider it really solid until after 5 years.

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  297. on July 14, 2010 at 10:07 pm greatbooksformen

    did you hear that tucker max rhymes iwth goldman sax and ben bernanke and charlotte allen are rerecording crazy train with the bill chrystal band? lzozllzlzzl

    All aboard! Ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaa!

    Ay, Ay, Ay, Ay, Ay, Ay, Ay

    Butthex, but that’s how it goes
    Millions of bernankified chix living as whores
    Maybe it’s not too late
    To learn how to love butthex
    Tape it without her conthent & masterbate

    Butthex wounds not healing
    Life’s a bitter shame
    I’m going off the rails on a butthex train
    I’m going off the rails on a butthex train

    Let’s Go!

    I’ve butthexed with preachers
    I’ve butthexed with fools
    I’ve read all the Jonah Goldbergs
    Who make their own neocon rules
    One person conditioned to butthex and control
    Priscilla Painton @ Sodom & Schuster sells it, my cock in her ahole

    Butthex wounds still screaming
    Driving me insane
    I’m going off the rails on a butthex train
    I’m going off the rails on a butthex train

    I know that things are going wrong for me
    You gotta tape butthex secretly!
    Yeah

    Heirs of a cold sore
    That’s what we’ve become
    Inheriting troubles my butt is so numb
    Taped butthex conthent, I just cannot bear
    So I butthex her and tape it secretly, cum in hair

    Butthex wounds not healing
    Who and what’s to blame
    I’m going off the rails on a butthex train
    I’m going off the rails on a butthex train

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  298. —Tell your Sagittarius man that you want to jump out of an airplane, take a South Pacific cruise, or even climb Mt. Everest and you’re on your way to seducing him.

    The Sagittarius man loves adventure and travel. He is naturally expansive and sees all the possibilities in life. He wants to explore each and every one of them to determine where the truth lives. To seduce a Sagittarius man, you must be able to show him you are a part of that truth.
    He is an idealistic wanderer, but no matter where his restless soul takes him, he’ll be on the lookout for the meaning of life. Share in his quest, appreciate his wisdom and always respect his opinions if you want to seduce him.

    Oh, and don’t cling. He needs freedom so if you want to seduce a Sagittarius know when to hold on and when to let go. Give him something to believe in and you’re likely to seduce his heart as well as his body.

    —Respect his need for control and his ambition and you are on your way to being able to seduce a Capricorn man.

    He is simple at heart, yet his nature is so wrapped up around responsibility and accomplishment that he often doesn’t prioritize relationships. Let your Capricorn man take charge in any situation, let him be the authority and make the rules and you can seduce him. Try to bend any of his rules or question his authority in any way, and you’re out the door.
    The Capricorn man is seduced by tradition so he’ll want a partner with stability and practicality not someone who is reckless by any means. Show him that you’re as solid as an Oak tree and you will seduce him.

    —If you want to seduce an Aquarius man, you’ve got to be cool and detached about it. If you ever come on too strong emotionally for this sign, he’ll never even think about taking you to bed. And thinking is what this sign does best.

    Aquarius can often live inside his own mind. He must have a companion to talk to about the progressive thoughts he creates and ponders. Above all, he must have you as a friend. If you ever want to seduce an Aquarius man, you’d better be friends.
    Another way to seduce him is to honor his individuality and need for freedom, and his need to make a difference in the world for all of humanity. Help him do this, and you just might have seduced him for life.

    — A romantic movie or dinner will work with the Pisces man very well, invite him over and prepare to get lost in each others eyes. The way to seduce a Pisces man is to open up to him completely. Tell him he’s the only one who can save you. He wants the soul mate relationship like no other. He’s hungry to meld two as one. If you can handle love with no boundaries, you can seduce a Pisces man.

    He is sensitive, gentle, compassionate and kind. He’s a sponge who will soak up the emotions of anyone around him, including you. Once he feels you want to seduce him, he will take on that feeling as his own and want to seduce you in return. Don’t assume his gentle manner does not allow for a more naughty, dominate side, it is one of his secrets just below the surface.

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  299. You cannot. Because it does not benefit her. It does not serve her interest. It is that simple. Everything she thinks and writes is just rationalization, justification, and forced self-delusion.

    Just another example of a smart woman using her powerful brain for stupid things, and not knowing that her emotions are the true driver of her being.

    Another example of why I like to say that I hate good people.

    I could say that I hate sanctimonious people, but everyone would simply agree, and assume I’m talking about someone that they are not. Sanctimonious people is always OTHER people.

    But good people is always US.

    I completely agree – you can not judge your own morals, if you have a personal stake in them.

    Therefore it takes an effort at creatively imagining the motivations of others, a sophisticated and tested theory of mind, to even begin to think about morals. Get a big enough theory of mind and you realize there are no absolute morals. There are only various competing interests and strategies for attaining them.

    We are all sanctimonious, but by realizing that we are not good, and that our morals are not good, a little introspection shines in and we pry loose a crack in our facade to peek out onto the underlying drives and motivations of other. Instead of flitering everything through our personal morality play of good and bad, we can finally start to see things as they are.

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  300. on July 14, 2010 at 10:17 pm greatbooksformen

    lzozoozlzozozlz like you barely have to change the lyrics in this song to make it fny lzozlzozlzozloz

    Ben Bernanky, what went down in your head
    (Oh) Mr. Crowley, did you head the Fed
    Your lifestyle to me seems so tragic
    With the thrill of it all
    You fooled all the people with magic
    (Yeah)You waited on Satan’s call

    Mr. Charming, did you think you were pure
    Mr. Alarming, in nocturnal rapport
    Uncovering things that were sacred, manifest on this earth
    (Oh)Conceived in the eye of a secret
    Yeah, they scattered the afterbirth

    Solo

    Ben Bernanke, won’t you ride my white horse?
    Ben Bernake, it’s symbolic of course
    Approaching a time that is classic
    I hear that maidens call
    Butthexing her without her conthent was a bit drastic
    Tucker & Priscilla with their backs to the wall

    (Solo)

    Was it polemically sent?
    I wanna know what you meant
    I wanna know
    I wanna know what you meant, yeah!

    (Solo)

    lozozozlozozlozoz

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  301. on July 14, 2010 at 10:18 pm greatbooksformen

    ^^^^^ it should read “secretly taping Butthex with her without her conthent was a bit drastic.” lozlzozzlzl

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  302. I remember a text by Tyler Durden (that PUA, not the Messiah), saying game is like a “secret society”.

    “You do not talk about Game”.

    ***

    That is… not to them.

    I’ve found the opposite. You can explain in detail what you are doing, while you are doing it.

    If you are interested in her, she has no need to be threatened by game. She’ll like it that you care.

    Girls who are threatened by game are those worried about losing their market appeal through men having greater access to a larger pool of women, and afraid of losing sexual power over men. Women who want to retain dominance.

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  303. Xsplat says, “We are all sanctimonious, but by realizing that we are not good, and that our morals are not good, a little introspection shines in and we pry loose a crack in our facade to peek out onto the underlying drives and motivations of other. Instead of flitering everything through our personal morality play of good and bad, we can finally start to see things as they are.”

    Tall order.

    Question is, for those who succeed, what does one do when they see things as they are, or as close as they can get to it?

    I’d like to think I’m very accepting of my selfish motives, and the fact that we’re all just amusing ourselves until the end. It’s tough sometimes though, not to be cruel.

    I wonder sometimes whether or not there is such a thing as unduly cruel to people who perhaps due to nothing more “evil” than stupidity, mishandle me.

    Am I doing something wrong by protecting them from my worst capabilities?

    All kinds of questions come up, and I figure if I’m going to err, it should be on the side of non interference at worst.

    …but why? Is it because I am a capitulating slave, or because I am a benevolent mistress?

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  304. Cyning

    Resentment is repulsive even on a platonic level, let alone on a game level, and only appeals to resentful people.

    Yes, good post. Resentment is repulsive because it’s a display of borderline personality. The person is threatened by your having a separate identity and motivations, and tries to scold you for having them, and does it by TELLING you what your thoughts and motivations are, rather than by asking.

    Holding your ears and going na na na indeed.

    What a disgusting antisocial mind that imputes motivations onto others, and then scolds other for having them. Not a good listener. Not good person.

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  305. If you can talk to me for few minutes and then tell me Astro Sign I might consider taking that shit seriously. Since this NEVER HAPPENs I am compelled to say, against my better instincts, fuckoff.
    On the other hand, this talk about

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  306. 12 year old girls and vaginal tears is… interesting.

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  307. I’m not into astrology, but I’d guess that Rum is a Cancer.

    It’s a very uneducated guess though.

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  308. who the fk is this McArdle bitch?

    someone needs to stick a dick up her ass

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  309. Rollo

    The guy who does in fact Man Up is a chauvinist, misogynist, patriarch, but he still needs to man up when it’s convenient to meet the needs of a female imperative.

    When dealing with women, men are cursed with morality, valuing truth, and logic.

    Women have none of that, and so can manipulate men to their individual and group-benefit using words that merely confound men. They SEEM like they are talking, so it SHOULD make logical sense! Why else would they talk, if it didn’t MEAN something!

    Unfortunately, it takes us men a great deal of time and experience and loss and pain to get the opportunity to get a useful theory of mind for women.

    Don’t even bother arguing with women. They used to define culture. A man who individuates learns that he doesn’t need a woman’s culture.

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  310. Ah, Nicole
    You are being a grouch. Didn’t you have a cousin? The kind that you knew from the crib and from whom you hid nothing and trusted deeply? Does that even count?

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  311. J, you thought your answer to me important enough to point me to it. Which was:

    J

    @Exsplat

    “To keep a woman you have to infantilize her and give her drama.”

    EEWWW, dude. We’ve had this discussion before, so just eeww.

    You’ve got to be fucking kidding me. You talk like an infant.

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  312. @K,

    I don’t think you understand. Every single one of my boyfriends were perfectly fine with waiting for months before doing anything sexual.

    [editor: BEEEEEEEEETA!]

    We were in happy, loving relationships where we respected and enjoyed each others’ company. Of course if they just wanted sex, they would have gone to someone else who is as cute as me. Maybe they were all *gasp* in love with me for my intelligence, personality, humor, etc? Oh wait, people like you believe that you can only love a girl for her looks. Fail.

    @ASDF

    If a girl isn’t a virgin when you meet her…

    Lol, I can imagine PUAs trying to covertly ask if a girl is a virgin without coming off as a huge insecure beta.

    [that’s why we look for clues.

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/12/29/its-easy-to-identify-a-slut/%5D

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  313. Oh, hum.

    All women (and men) who are against Game are against men getting any sexual satisfaction without their being the gatekeeper.

    The people who condemn game would condemn foreign brides, foreign sex tourism, prostitution, and strip bars.

    They never condemn gay bars. Or cougars. Or promiscuous women. Only straight men need to be controlled. And, these are the only people that need to hustle to get laid.

    This is just such old news.

    Who benefits by this system? People like McArdle can marry some younger herb (Likely a very good guy.) who never got around much because his sexuality was supressed. He is in for a very unpleasant surprise. Older men know that women may live longer, but, they wear out a lot sooner, than men. Not a plot. Just nature.

    Game really isn’t about peacocking. It is about understanding female psychology, and making it work for you. And, it is about understanding your own psychological makeup.

    Free at last! (Apologies to Dr. King’s estate.)

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  314. I just noticed your other post to me, J. You mention that it’s not sustainable for a man to not marry, and that his future is better served by settling down when the settling is good.

    Think that if that makes you feel better. It has nothing to do with my personal reality, nor the reality of socially adept men. That you know a few old players who no longer attract women has nothing to do with my reality or concerns or strategies for future happiness. My confidence is well earned. I will ALWAYS be able to attract women. Fuck marriage.

    You also mention that a woman should have strong future orientation at an early age. A lot of men here will agree with you. I don’t, simply because I’ve not seen women penalized for postponing marriage until their late twenties or even sometimes much later. Perhaps there is a penalty – but it’s a tradeoff. You’ve got to eat your cookies in life sooner or later – eating them while young seems rather wise. That’s when they are the tastiest.

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  315. rum
    you sure are lively tonight.
    chic noir likes 🙂

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  316. Another thought, J. A woman always thinks “Ha – you’ll never be able to find another woman as good as me!”

    The answer to that is; “Ha – damn right I will. Ten or 100 more before I’m through”.

    I’ve heard it before. The older woman who thought I’d never be able to attract younger women after I broke with her. The extremely hot younger woman who thought I just got lucky with her and she was an abberation in my life.

    Go ahead and keep thinking that a man has to give security. You’ll feel better.

    The fact is, we don’t.

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  317. “[editor: the girth! of course. now if you’ll excuse me miss i just popped a few buttons on my button fly jeans. could take an eye out shooting across the room like that.]”

    –I love when you post drunk.

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  318. on July 14, 2010 at 11:28 pm The Real Vince

    Over 300 comments on a sequel post? I don’t often to get to say this, so here goes: McArdle has a point. Or she had one.

    It actually IS pathetic there are men obsessing over “approaches,” endlessly examining their social interactions in order to bed women. While not as narcissistic as the typical teenage girl, it is pitiful.

    Part of the problem is that men are way behind when it comes to Game. Women know what men want because guys are rather forthright. In our formative years, pre-Internet, most of us, had no XY equivalents of how to get chicks. Our magazines about women just helped us beat-off.

    Roissy fails to address her argument, flipping back and forth between ad hominem and tu quoque fallacies.

    One of the better comments posted here awhile ago said something to the effect: “Jesus, stop thinking in terms of ways to drive her wild and just take action. You guys sound like nerds playing Dungeons and Dragons.”

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  319. Why is it, J, that everything you say revolves around how valuable you are as a mate and a life choice?

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  320. anoukange leo?

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  321. Vince, your adjectives of “pathetic” and “pitiful” hold no meaning or content.

    Completely meaningless.

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  322. Oh, man. I like Anouk and Sniper, but they are both disqualifying themselves tonight….

    Anouk,

    I don’t believe in astrology because I’m a Gemini and Geminis are skeptical.

    Sniper,

    You started with a good point about the sexual revolution making it easier to detect certain kinds of unsuitable men because they wouldn’t need to stick around when you held out on them; but your responses to several other commenters seem to indicate a lack of flexibility in imagining other kinds of men and other kinds of relationships than you have had so far. Also, you are still not getting the basic point that “game” does not always involve deceptive seduction; sometimes it simply means understanding male-female dynamics well enough to be genuinely charming instead of boneheadedly gauche, without misrepresenting oneself in any way.

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  323. *it should be noted that the descriptions above are from and can be more ‘researched’ @ sexualastrology.com

    anon- nope. jerk.

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  324. The Real Vince:

    Part of the problem is that men are way behind when it comes to Game. Women know what men want because guys are rather forthright. In our formative years, pre-Internet, most of us, had no XY equivalents of how to get chicks. Our magazines about women just helped us beat-off.

    Um so isn’t that good reason why a blog like this is beneficial for men? So we can discuss and exchange ideas about what works and what doesn’t in regards to females? I mean the real truth, not the PC B.S. that mainstream publications throw at us. I guess some people obsess over it, but I find the discussions here fascinating and entertaining.

    “Jesus, stop thinking in terms of ways to drive her wild and just take action”.

    Well ladies and gents, time to close up shop. Game had a good run. We finally got the answer. All you have to do is….take action!

    [editor: yeah, that was a dumb comment by the unreal vince.]

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  325. Poly-

    you’re missing the point: WOMEN do.

    [editor: thas right. uberlogical SHOW ME THE PROOF men need to suck it up occasionally to ensure a smooth flowing seduction. seduction isn’t a classroom, it’s a romper room.

    welly well!! i just noticed poly’s comment was a bit of a funny. mybad.]

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  326. on July 14, 2010 at 11:49 pm Cannon's Canon

    Free at last! (Apologies to Dr. King’s estate.)

    meh, he probably pinched it anyway

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  327. “I don’t believe in astrology because I’m a Gemini and Geminis are skeptical.”

    Gemini are also POLYMATHS…haha. (Or at least jacks of all trades if not THAT smart.)

    If you believe in fractals/fractal cosmology, chaos theory, dynamical systems, etc. then astrology is a very easy leap to take.

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  328. on July 15, 2010 at 12:02 am The Real Vince

    Vince, your adjectives of “pathetic” and “pitiful” hold no meaning or content.

    Completely meaningless.

    Do you need to consult a dictionary? The fact this requires any explanation is itself telling. Ideally, men should be out creating value, not behaving like teenage girls attempting to engineer attraction.

    It’s also instructive how the double-standards of this community work out. Take the old standby: Man who fucks tons of (slim) chicks = Legend; chick who fucks lots of guys = slut. Yeah, I get — different evolutionary mating strategies — spread the seed, guard the egg. Makes sense to me.

    Well, it also makes sense women would have a double-standard when it comes to men. Owing to the fact they are the choosier sex — because their eggs are so precious — they want to screen out imitators.

    [editor: is a women who exercises to stay slender and thus more attractive to men an alpha imitator?]

    Moreover, because of a female’s hypergamous nature, she wants a genuine alpha. Yes, it’s ironic the (generally) more superficial sex seeks out authenticity, but that’s biology, right?

    [you are under the mistaken impression that women don’t enjoy being gamed. but even when they know they are being gamed, they still enjoy it. and those feelings are genuine enough for her.]

    Roissy’s whole indictment against McArdle’s double-standard is itself a second order double-standard. What can’t we just say what is is. I think these threads generate as many replies as they do is because of the self-righteous grandstanding.

    Game is like a magic trick — it involves performance and deception — which is part of the reason why it’s no surprise Mystery was so insightful. People are very often disappointed when they learn the secret to an effect. “That’s how it works?!” If you expose the method before demonstrating the effect they’ll say, “Oh, that would NEVER fool me.” It most certainly would.

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  329. on July 15, 2010 at 12:04 am gunslingergregi

    ””””One of the better comments posted here awhile ago said something to the effect: “Jesus, stop thinking in terms of ways to drive her wild and just take action. You guys sound like nerds playing Dungeons and Dragons.””””’

    I have already taken the hill more times than I can count. So if ya don’t mind gonna take a little break and just relax here and overpost and work my brain and let gbfm get more ammunition.

    What is your tale of adventure with which you wish to enthrall us.

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  330. Vince, uhhh.

    Oh, never mind.

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  331. on July 15, 2010 at 12:10 am The Real Vince

    Um so isn’t that good reason why a blog like this is beneficial for men? So we can discuss and exchange ideas about what works and what doesn’t in regards to females? I mean the real truth, not the PC B.S. that mainstream publications throw at us. I guess some people obsess over it, but I find the discussions here fascinating and entertaining.

    Yes, that’s why I’m here. I should have learned all this stuff years ago.

    Well ladies and gents, time to close up shop. Game had a good run. We finally got the answer. All you have to do is….take action!

    No, you’re misreading me.

    [editor: yeah, that was a dumb comment by the unreal vince.]

    Ahaha, “the unreal vince” because my name handle “The Real Vince,” so you changed it around there. Very clever.

    [editor: you don’t deserve my better efforts.]

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  332. Ok, Vince – who on earth cares what women think, or how many standards they have? Double, triple? Pointing out the fallacies of their thinking is not any sort of standard – it’s statements of fact, and laughing at idiots to prevent retardo-bacteria from spreading.

    If a man does anything that makes him happier, why would he care if OTHER people don’t view his actions with condescension?

    It’s completely meaningless to his purpose.

    Pathetic? To who? To you?

    Go fuck yourself.

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  333. there is something a little insecure about all this debate and thought. my dad used to say ‘if you’re good, you don’t need to go around telling people, they just know’. so i like the discussion on how to pick up girls, i just dont like the defensive posture a lot of commenters are taking. we all know both bloggers are bit hyperbolic and as readers we can extract certain truths that pertain to our own lives. as men, it’s a lot more helpful if we don’t beat it into women’s skulls that we are better than them at just about everything…. let them be comfortable with the power they think they have becaue we know we can manipulate it.

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  334. on July 15, 2010 at 12:23 am gunslingergregi

    Vince what the fuck did you do on your adventure?

    Tell us a tale.

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  335. Meatball, in the war of the sexes, the time has come for men to pull out the heavy artillery.

    It is time get out of the trenches and fight, and to take back our territory.

    Feminism is an evil that must be openly fought in an all out war campaign.

    Chivalry is bad citizenship.

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  336. Original JB-

    Chaos theory was the branch that led me to astrology study. Break it down for the science types, here please?? Your logical language of it is superb as I’ve said to you in the past.

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  337. @Thursday
    @Gorbachev
    Both are building Heavens. I respect the left more: At least they’re trying to do it here.

    This is fucking idiotic. Tell that to all the people who died in the attempt to create utopia in Russia, Ukraine, China, Cambodia.

    (And if you tell me that religion starts wars etc. I’ll tell you to look up the actual data, like Vox Day did, and find that only 7% of wars through all of history had religion even as an ancillary cause and most of those involved one particular religion, Islam.)

    I just meant: At least they’re trying to make Utopia here, instead of somewhere else. Instead of cheating people in the real world with empty promises, they’re making their Utopia here for people to actually live in.

    That said, their utopia is a kind of hell, but their motivation is at least respectable, if disastrously misleading.

    Religion does have that to commend it: it cheats and oppresses but tends not to have side effects.

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  338. Thursday,

    what about Kundera? or Carlos Fuentes?

    it seems to me that if the gret writers of the past couldnt uncover the simple truths of MM, it is either because:

    1. what works now wasnt what worked in the past or
    2. what we thinks works so well now is mainly hype

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  339. Plus, wtf is up with a 37 year old woman marrying a 28 year old man. How does that happen, and why does that happen?

    My first marriage, at age 27, was to a 37 year old woman. She threw herself at me and I was too damn impressed by her talent ( I’m a sucker for a first-rate singer, ) to know better.

    The reason is obvious; biological clock. After working the deal for a year and a half, her barren womb refused to cooperate and the marriage was over. I knocked my second wife up in a jiffy, so I guess the first one never had a chance.

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  340. on July 15, 2010 at 12:38 am The Real Vince

    [editor: is a women who exercises to stay slender and thus more attractive to men an alpha imitator?]

    Men want to fuck hot chicks — imitation is immaterial. The saying about fake tits applies: they’re real if I can see’em. Same goes for cosmetic surgery.

    [editor: women want to fuck charming dominant men — imitation is immaterial.]

    I should think you would understand this since you constantly invoke the “sexy sons” hypothesis.

    [a guy who has the smarts and drive to learn game will provide sexy sons.]

    Game — a systematic approach to the seduction of women — is learned.

    [every “natural” learned game at some point in his life. the difference between “naturals” and late comers to seduction is that the former learned how to attract women at a younger age.]

    A cad who games a chick will not pass down his how-to-get pussy guide.

    [he’ll pass down his motivation and adaptability.]

    you are under the mistaken impression that women don’t enjoy being gamed. but even when they know they are being gamed, they still enjoy it. and those feelings are genuine enough for her.]

    Now I have to question your reading comprehension because you’re grasping at straws. Just because a woman enjoys getting gamed does not mean she wants to get gamed.

    [wrong. i have told girls how i was going to seduce them and they enjoyed it just as much as if they had remained ignorant. it’s analogous to a woman telling a man she put on makeup and sexy clothes to arouse him. he’s not going to get any less of a boner.]

    It’s like the magic trick: they enjoy the performance, but cannot see the beauty of the method. Game is about unweaving the rainbow. Girls like their pretty lies.

    [so you are agreeing that the good feelings aroused in women by game are real. very good. so what was your point again?]

    [editor: you don’t deserve my better efforts.]

    That’s not a very good excuse for (self-admitted) mediocrity.

    [sure it is. you don’t inspire me to anything more than a perfunctory condescension.]

    If you were as brilliant and important as you imagine, then you would not have made an effort at all.

    [you’re here making an effort with me. we are agreed then that you are not brilliant and important.]

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  341. on July 15, 2010 at 12:42 am gunslingergregi

    Dang that was a tale full of some heartbreak Joey.

    ””’Our magazines about women just helped us beat-off.”””””

    Well you are not speaking for me. I had sex with a woman before I learned to beat off.

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  342. Quote: “my dad used to say ‘if you’re good, you don’t need to go around telling people, they just know’ ”

    Yes , but this is the Interweb and words speak just as loud as actions.

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  343. Anuuk
    If you think that chaos science offers any support for astrology you have shit for brains. Full stop.
    See, I know a lot about chaos theory, for reasons I would rather not explain. But I can tell you that Prof. Mandelbrot used to stand out his porch and fire a couple of rounds into a pen he kept filled with new-agers and astrolgers. For him, it was for the release of tension. Sometimes I joined him. But I did it for the fuck of it.

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  344. “Quote: “my dad used to say ‘if you’re good, you don’t need to go around telling people, they just know’ ””

    That notion does bring up the whole idea of signaling fitness, doesn’t it?

    Imagine if you could learn how to signal fitness, rather than just have it happen “naturally”.

    Would that be of benefit?

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  345. The Real Vince sounds like a dude that has been married or in a monogamous relationship for so long that he has forgotten what is required of a man in this day and age with regards to women.

    Let me tell you buddy , it goes alot further than “Yes Dear” , now shut up , just like you’re used to.

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  346. Lily the Thunder Whore:

    Where did I say that? I have no personal experience of any woman telling me herself that she like being hit in the face. That does not mean that some women don’t like being hit in the face during sex (or otherwise).

    here you go, thunder thighs:

    If I were to use my logic and experience, I would say women don’t like being hit in the face. But I do know that some women do like it so I would never say all women don’t.

    Back in the kitchen, bitch.

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  347. Well…in a nutshell, it’s a special case of fractal cosmology.

    If one accepts the possibility that matter in the universe is arranged in a fractal pattern (superclusters->clusters->galaxies->star systems….) (and there’s increasing evidence that such may be the case –
    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14200-galaxy-map-hints-at-fractal-universe.html) then since human beings are certainly part of the arrangement it isn’t outlandish to examine the self-similarity of our solar system’s planetary configurations and human characteristics.

    That’s all astrology is. There’s nothing supernatural about, no magnetic rays influencing human behavior or anything. All completely within the natural realm.

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  348. I have just spent several hours throughout the day reading most of the five thousand comments to this post. How in the world do you guys do it.

    BTW, I am convinced Roissy is not GBFM. He could not be both and hold down a job at the same time. Way too much work.

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  349. on July 15, 2010 at 12:59 am Capt. Obvious

    “Funny how all the happiness research shows religious people in each country tend to be much happier than non-religious people.

    See Jonathan Haidt’s The Happiness Hypothesis.”

    My one big problem with religion is this: it is obviously fake.

    Now it might be true that people are happier when they believe in fake shit like religion, but that doesn’t take away from the fact that is still fake.

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  350. re happiness and religion: how do know which way thecause and d effetrun?

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  351. I wonder if she is trolling? most likely not though. great parry and riposte though roissy

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  352. on July 15, 2010 at 1:03 am Capt. Obvious

    “I have just spent several hours throughout the day reading most of the five thousand comments to this post. How in the world do you guys do it.”

    Why did you spend so much time reading all the comments?

    I always just skip to the last comments since there are usually way too many comments to read on this blog.

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  353. xsplat – why should i fight feminism when i can take advantage of it?

    i see roissy as more of a reminder for males – realize your natural talent. stop being doubting yourself so much. learn how to be social adept.

    mr. c – true. maybe i just wanted to remind people why they read the blog – to be better at things in the real world.

    the balance between the sexes goes in cycles and as soon as one side feels that the other is gaining an upper hand, change will occur. (ie women can only gain so much power before they will regress to their natural state, below men)

    i see this a lot with girls who want to go to grad school:

    1) some girls enter college wanting mega-successful, rich, career-oriented women and have something to prove.
    2) they exit college with 50k+ in debt (okay, say they pay a 1000 a month to pay this off, which is far-fetched, this takes over 4 years)
    3) they want to enter grad school or already have, racking up 100k-300k (business, law, or med school) that takes 20+ years to pay off, unless their family helps.
    4) if the woman wants to raise her own family, she can’t be such a career-oriented, hyper-successful woman and still raise her kids.

    …do the math… women can’t drive a society. they need to fulfill their biological desire to have kids. this means they need to settle and marry without impoverishing themselves (or spouse) with huge debt loads. men on the other hand can afford to work for many years to pay off the debts that graduate school creates. (the scope of this example is small, but i bet we can do similar cases like this in other parts of society)

    meanwhile, as a man, build your career (or whatever talents you pursue), your people skills, your game, and you’ll find yourself to be in a good position in the future while also having enjoyed the journey.

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  354. Having looked at her photos and condsidering the tone of her writing ; put some point ears on that bitch and you have yourself a Vulcan.

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  355. on July 15, 2010 at 1:05 am Joey Giraud

    Re Roissy’s point about women who know they’re being gamed still loving it….

    I’m pretty tight-fisted, but I’ll give a panhandler money if he puts on a good show.

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  356. on July 15, 2010 at 1:05 am gunslingergregi

    ””””Rum
    Anuuk
    If you think that chaos science offers any support for astrology you have shit for brains. Full stop.
    See, I know a lot about chaos theory, for reasons I would rather not explain. But I can tell you that Prof. Mandelbrot used to stand out his porch and fire a couple of rounds into a pen he kept filled with new-agers and astrolgers. For him, it was for the release of tension. Sometimes I joined him. But I did it for the fuck of it.

    ”””
    Holy fuck man.

    I want to grow up to be you dude.

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  357. on July 15, 2010 at 1:10 am gunslingergregi

    ”””’Mr. C
    The Real Vince sounds like a dude that has been married or in a monogamous relationship for so long that he has forgotten what is required of a man in this day and age with regards to women.

    Let me tell you buddy , it goes alot further than “Yes Dear” , now shut up , just like you’re used to.””””

    Yea and the dude can’t even toss out a story.

    Not even:
    I was there and all was quite and I picked up the pencil

    and began writing.

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  358. But once the PUA is “in set” and executing his game plan it will all seem natural and unforced to the woman if he is doing it right.

    No kidding. Obviously whenever you’re successfully picking up a girl, it’s basically like the world is ratifying every decision you’ve ever made.

    What McArdle is saying is that, when you peek behind the curtain at all the self-consciousness that goes into the presentation, it seems kind of lame and overstudied.

    [editor: no, what she was saying was that it was “girly”. she was properly schooled for her silliness.]

    That’s going to be a pretty common reaction.

    [of course. the masses are mediocrities.]

    You might as well be cool about it, instead of unleashing torrents of bitterness at every woman who makes a flip remark.

    [you mistake sadism for bitterness. and i only unleash my cruelty on the truly deserving, man or woman.]

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  359. @Lily,

    However, I don’t agree that all men are able to emotionally disengage in extra marital liaisons.

    Men have feelings It means that if he really loves you (and men do this), then if he has an extramarital affair, he can:

    – keep it a secret, so as to protect your pride and public face;
    – Not let it harm your relationship with him
    – Maintain his responsibilities to you unimpaired.

    If he’s able to do this, then you should forgive him is he’s alpha enough and has lots of options. Why? Most Betas will do the same thing if they get the chance, which they usually don’t.

    If you want the alpha, and he has enough hand and tingles you enough, then the price you might pay is the occasional extramarital dalliance. Most women in this situation understand what they want in men and stick with the alpha; but his behavior should be such that you can live with it.

    It’s true that most men will get attached to women they’re in an affair with.

    But men face the same dangers with women, too.

    So, … a boring beta or a risky alpha? If you pick the alpha, just know what you’re getting into and behave accordingly. But if he actually likes you, on a deep level, then he’ll at least treat you with respect – even if he cheats.

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  360. @Nicole
    On the subject of mysticism as chick crack, a good symbol for PUA’s and other man friendly folk would be an Elegua ileke (necklace).

    A woman with mystical leanings and even a vague knowledge of Voudun will find it attractive, especially if you understand the symbolism.

    This is actually somewhat cool. Makes for some good openers.

    For once I listen to something Nicole says.

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  361. on July 15, 2010 at 1:28 am gunslingergregi

    ”””””1) some girls enter college wanting mega-successful, rich, career-oriented women and have something to prove.
    2) they exit college with 50k+ in debt (okay, say they pay a 1000 a month to pay this off, which is far-fetched, this takes over 4 years)
    3) they want to enter grad school or already have, racking up 100k-300k (business, law, or med school) that takes 20+ years to pay off, unless their family helps.
    4) if the woman wants to raise her own family, she can’t be such a career-oriented, hyper-successful woman and still raise her kids.””””””

    But what if you never went to college and just worked out of high school for 15 bucks an hour because you went to trade school. Then you just saved your money at 84 hours a week. So lets say you save for 6 years so your 24 with no debt and 350 k in bank. You take that and use it to buy 14 duplexes at 25k each. Then ya start pulling in gross of around 11200 a month because you take advantage of system and rent to hud people. Oh wait your renting to hud system so yea 12600 a month. So your sitting there at 24 years old and you decide to just chill out and relax and read blogs play video games and do nothing but you make more than median wage of a doctor. So your a success right?

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  362. @Original
    Well…in a nutshell, it’s a special case of fractal cosmology.

    If one accepts the possibility that matter in the universe is arranged in a fractal pattern (superclusters->clusters->galaxies->star systems….) (and there’s increasing evidence that such may be the case –
    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14200-galaxy-map-hints-at-fractal-universe.html) then since human beings are certainly part of the arrangement it isn’t outlandish to examine the self-similarity of our solar system’s planetary configurations and human characteristics.

    That’s all astrology is. There’s nothing supernatural about, no magnetic rays influencing human behavior or anything. All completely within the natural realm.

    Um, … Astrology is hogwash. Smells like pig-stupid. But it’s hogwash that’s worth knowing if you want to fuck hot chicks.

    But I fall back on a great thinker 900 years old now: Maimonides, who admonished us all to be smarter.

    “[Do] not believe the absurd ideas of astrologers, who falsely assert that the constellation at the time of one’s birth determines whether one is to be virtuous or vicious.”

    “of what the Arabic school terms ‘the science of the stars and their conjunctions’ … cast it off as you would remove filthy garments. It is a mental hallucination hallucination, false perception characterized by a distortion of real sensory stimuli. Common types of hallucination are auditory, i.e., hearing voices or noises and visual, i.e., seeing people that are not actually present.”

    “This science … is different from all others, for [example] medicine is of great help while astrology only brings misery.”

    “The whole science of astrology is baseless and foolishness.”

    “A man should never cast his reason behind him, for the eyes are set in front, not in back.”

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  363. @Thursday

    Gorbachev:
    it cheats and oppresses but tends not to have side effects.

    Funny how all the happiness research shows religious people in each country tend to be much happier than non-religious people.

    See Jonathan Haidt’s The Happiness Hypothesis.

    Yes, sure. I know: People who believe lies are often happier.

    But (that kind of) happiness, as they say, is for fools.

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  364. on July 15, 2010 at 1:45 am gunslingergregi

    I am probably gonna be mentoring my son to go into that program there. I think it is gonna be the winner for him. Then at 24 he can line up woman ducks in a barrel or go to school or do anything.

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  365. People who believe lies are happier than people who can’t deal with the truth without suffering from cognitive dssonance.

    People who can deal with the truth can be emotionally balanced. It’s the rare person who passes through all stages of grief for most of the troublesome facts of life, but it’s also a better balanced person.

    You can accept death and idiots and still be happy. I wouldn’t accept taxes though.

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  366. “The spread pussy speaks louder than the snickering blog post.”

    True, indeed.

    Good shit once again, Roissy.

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  367. Flashman wrote,

    “I am intrigued that an equalist feminist attempts to shame men for breaking with traditional masculine norms, the very thing which feminists purport to loathe. At the same time, she uses shaming language rather than logic, reinforcing the anti-feminist stereotype that women make emotional appeals rather than reason.”

    Good observations. Have encountered similar behavior many times. Seen in action when feminists who are otherwise hostile to “oppressive” masculinity/”manliness” complain that guys need to “man up” and marry them/remain committed to them after their infidelities (i.e., “do the right thing” for the family)/rescue a single mommy & commit to raising some other guy’s offspring/make more money to fund their lifestyles/treat them like princesses, etc.

    Cyning wrote,

    “Funny that after all their atheistic progressivism and general support for evolution theory, they quasi-religiously put humans on a pedestal above the animal kingdom and go “la la la I’m not listening” at the fact that evolution has implications that are politically inconvenient for them.”

    Great point. Have had similar thoughts. Animals’ entire lives revolve around the quest for territory & dominance — their access to mating/reproduction, food & resources all come from their relative dominance. Their daily existence is natural selection in action. So one would logically expect evolutionists & Darwinists to notice man’s quest for dominance, and conclude that human behavior is merely a slightly more advanced variant of animal behavior; that dating and the sexual marketplace are, at their core, natural selection in action. But insofar as evolutionists & Darwinists are frequently doctrinaire P.C. secular post-modernists who dare not consider deviating from feminism’s most ironclad principles, they tend to magically exempt humans from the Darwinist natural selection that they otherwise champion.

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  368. on July 15, 2010 at 2:44 am Willard Libby

    I agree with Megan that there is something unmanly about a lot in the PUA world. Her criticism was pretty mild.

    The whole PUA world is filled with sex nerds, aspergy weirdos, deeply awkward men and manipulative creeps.

    Speaking of creeps, why do you allow this greatbooksforfags guy to lzozlzozzZZZZZZZZZZZZ all over your site?

    Also, Megan is about 6’3″ tall. Very big girl. And I would not classify her in any way as a strident feminist. She’s a relatively pleasant libertarian nerd type.

    And really, really really tall.

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  369. Thursday:

    Anybody else, including our host, have any further examples of good game or good game advice in classic literature?

    I don’t know if it’s old enough to classify as “classic literature,” but it did win a Pulitzer, so….Gone with the Wind. Rhett Butler has mad, amazing game. He runs just about every shade of game possible on Scarlett (negs, contrast, vulnerability, status, pre-selection) and doesn’t even break a sweat. She, in return, has one of the most stunning hamster wheels in literature.

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  370. he is incorrect. never associate yourself with pua. the true master knows that quality women know about PUA’s, have been burned by them and have visceral hatred. feign you aren’t one. PUA, betas and omegas are your foils. the insults you hear applied to pua, you contemptuously apply yourself to ward off the pua’s that will invariable come after your prize and distance yourslf from her numerous prior traumas. our boy doesnt have this freedom to maneuver because that’s his job, you do. when you see this paradox and why being a pua is contradictory and creates self-hatred that cannot be concealed… you transcend …and 10s are the norm if you have talent.

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  371. @Gorbachev:

    Do you know anything about astrology? I think not. If you knew how to use it, you would find it to be a very effective tool. Most people who criticize astrology have no idea how it works or how to use it and are parotting what others tell them and reinforcing their own prejudices, not unike Ms. McArdle. And yes, there is a God. If you want to pretend otherwise, be my guest. Atheists are the fools in this debate. They can’t see the forest for the trees. I use astrology all the time and am pretty advanced in its uses. It took several years to get there as well. Until you can use it then you have no palce criticizing it. I realize your statements are common coin, but they’re made in ignorance. Its got little to do with the daily newspaper prediction. Reality is stranger than we like to think.

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  372. @Tyrone

    @Gorbachev:

    Do you know anything about astrology? I think not. If you knew how to use it, you would find it to be a very effective tool. Most people who criticize astrology have no idea how it works or how to use it and are parotting what others tell them and reinforcing their own prejudices, not unike Ms. McArdle. And yes, there is a God. If you want to pretend otherwise, be my guest. Atheists are the fools in this debate. They can’t see the forest for the trees. I use astrology all the time and am pretty advanced in its uses. It took several years to get there as well. Until you can use it then you have no palce criticizing it. I realize your statements are common coin, but they’re made in ignorance. Its got little to do with the daily newspaper prediction. Reality is stranger than we like to think.

    I agree with one thing. Reality is stranger than we like to think.

    But: We’ve all heard about the astrology experiments in psych classes. And it’s been debunked by men more meisterish than I. It’s the easy pickings before we move on to faith healing and dowsing.

    I can’t claim anything about the existence or non-existence of God: Only that there’s no evidence for such a character. And without evidence, there’s no honest way to claim its existence.

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  373. Hey Doug,
    Sorry for late reply,
    Everything you say i agree in, accept one thing.

    “”To make what I said about the unlikelihood of true heteros getting HIV even with condomless sex clearer, ask yourself this:
    How’s a hetero guy who’s not an IV drug user and not bisexual (and taking it up his own chute gonna) get HIV? Penises w/out sores don’t get it from girls that’ve got it, except once in a blue moon.”””

    i looked into a Hungarian chart about HIV statistics from 2006 and the highest incidence of new cases were heterosexual women, even if it is easier for homosexuals aquring it, they are less in nr, but the heterosexuals also have anal sex. Other things that can mess up the statistics are sex tourism, immigration perhaps? The most common transmission among heterosexuals in Hungary is a man having high risk sex with a prostitute, becomes infected and spread it to multiple woman or wife. and lately there have been a boom of young teenage girls aquring it, sad. The link below also shows US

    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm#exposure

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  374. on July 15, 2010 at 3:33 am greatbooksformen

    “Willard Libby

    I agree with Megan that there is something unmanly about a lot in the PUA world. Her criticism was pretty mild.

    The whole PUA world is filled with sex nerds, aspergy weirdos, deeply awkward men and manipulative creeps.

    Speaking of creeps, why do you allow this greatbooksforfags guy to lzozlzozzZZZZZZZZZZZZ all over your site?”

    lzoozlzolzozozl

    your name is willard so i forgive you

    lozlzozlzozozlozlooozolz

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  375. willard libby! awesome comment man!

    would you like some water in your dish you fucking sycophant?

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  376. Editor:

    I really think you’re picking on the wrong gal by focusing these criticisms on Megan A.

    She’s one smart freaking gal.

    [editor: not on that post she wasn’t.]

    She’s not a feminazi or at least doesn’t display any of those negatives in her past writings.

    [i know she doesn’t perceive herself a feminist. which is exactly why accurately calling her out as one gets her goat.]

    I think you’re talking past each other.

    She’s basically talking about spivs, which to a well educated smart gal like Megan McArdle appear to be what they are.: Spivs.

    [she’s wrong to make a connection between game and spivs. learning how to seduce requires work. and if women didn’t like it, men wouldn’t do it.]

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  377. j

    i observe her indicting an entire habit and approach, not restricting her criticism to “spivs.” maybe you read something else that we didn’t read.

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  378. @Thursday
    Gorbachev
    Yes, sure. I know: People who believe lies are often happier.

    But (that kind of) happiness, as they say, is for fools.

    A minute ago you were claiming it oppressed people. Keep the hamster wheel going, man.

    Oppressed people, yes. Made some happy through lies and damned lies, yes. Some of these are the same people. Most are not. *

    And some happy people can be oppressed, by lies and more. Whether it’s feminazis or priests, pretty lies are still lies.

    No hamsters over here.

    * Though I think Hubbard had it right: this instinct in humans is so easily manipulable, so malleable and twistable, that the best way to get rich is to invent a religion (and get followers).

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  379. Though it’s true that religion often fills many desperate needs people feel. Social. Psychological. Structural. Intellectual.

    If there’s something we desperately need to believe to be comfortable (A soul! Life after death!), just to continue on, then we should be triply skeptical of any claims about them.

    The need to believe runs so deep, there’s difficulty being objective.

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  380. just checked back in. debating the soul now? time for another roissy post, on game proper.

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  381. Rum, yeah, I’m a grouch, but did I get it right?

    I need more alcohol for the cousin bit though.

    I see a hot girl in your future. She’s…particularly slender, and I sense that she’s very troubled.

    Gorbachev, I’m glad you like the idea. I’m sure there are European Pagan equivalents, but Elegua symbology touches something very primal in women. Supposedly, he is a fearfully good judge of character who will give exactly what is deserved.

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  382. Pshhhh. Women do cold calculations in the sexual market ALL THE TIME.

    That street goes both ways, they don’t like it? Too fucking bad. I rather learn Game that pay for an overpriced, hypocrite, not-so-hot hooker.

    Hotter younger tighter is our measure of value in the sexual market, social dominance is the female one.

    Men can move in the scale as they please, women have only one direction, guess which?

    Suck it.

    Also, is not neccesary to read 300-400+ comments.

    If we cut rationalization, bitterness about being busted in said rationalization, unfunny, and gunsinlergi spam….wow, there isn’t much left.

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  383. Rum-

    hell no, chaos theory doesn’t support astrology, I said it LED me to look into astrology. Astrology has been studied for centuries, by all cultures. Lighten up folks, open your minds and if knowledge of it assists you in seducing a pretty gal, well then, it is good, no? Not all, but a lot of women love and know about astrology…they will eat it up if you can hold your own in a conversation regarding it.

    Thanks Orginal JB! –It IS more math than hocus-pocus.

    Gorb- I’m mad at you. We are in a fight.

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  384. on July 15, 2010 at 7:28 am the realist

    @Sniper

    “@ASDF

    If a girl isn’t a virgin when you meet her…

    Lol, I can imagine PUAs trying to covertly ask if a girl is a virgin without coming off as a huge insecure beta.”

    Your thinking doesn’t really make sense at all. Asking a girl if she is a virgin is the natural progression from her insisting waiting a few months for sex. If she isn’t then wtf is she playing at? shes not worth waiting for otherwise. Shes already put you in the beta-box by asking you to wait, what do you have to lose by asking if shes a virgin? If shes not a virgin then who cares what the manipulative slut thinks shes already taking you for a Beta fool, if she is a virgin then far from thinking you are an insecure beta she’ll probably be looking for someone who values her chastity.

    GIRL:”i think we should wait a few months for sex”

    GUY:”Are you a virgin or something?”

    Nothing insecure or beta about this conversation, the woman has a lot more to answer for especially if the answer is no she is not a virgin.

    “I don’t think you understand. Every single one of my boyfriends were perfectly fine with waiting for months before doing anything sexual.

    [editor: BEEEEEEEEETA!]

    We were in happy, loving relationships where we respected and enjoyed each others’ company. Of course if they just wanted sex, they would have gone to someone else who is as cute as me. Maybe they were all *gasp* in love with me for my intelligence, personality, humor, etc? Oh wait, people like you believe that you can only love a girl for her looks. Fail.”

    Every single one of your boyfriends? how many has there been exactly and why didn’t they work out? It seems to me from your relationship failiure rate that either your manipulative bf testing techniques are a fail, or simply you yourself are just a complete relationship fail.

    So which is it, are your manipulative techniques obsolete or did your relationships fail because of your own flaws and manipulative sluttiness?

    If you were worth waiting that long for, you’d still be with one of the first couple of Chumps you got to jump through the hoops.

    Everyman, PUA, Beta chump or alpha, would do well not waiting a second for that shit.

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  385. I don’t think game is girly, for the simple reason that seducing women is a manly thing to do. For the most part it’s just about social interaction between the sexes and how men can keep the upper hand, something that has been important since the beginning of time.

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  386. Aunt Haley,
    Rhett Butler did run some good game on Scarlett. The thing I never understood is why it took so long to work on her.

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  387. Hey Roissy man, check this article:
    “Man! Make Her Feel Like a Woman!”
    http://www.beirutnightlife.com/news/la-wloo0-man-make-her-feel-like-a-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-10431

    another example of feminist propagation outside the Anglo-sphere.

    check the comments. I negg the chick who wrote the article and she replies with the same feminist bullshit. but she seems to be moisting down.

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  388. I just have to say this is one of the best smackdowns I’ve read in a while. And it’s correct to boot. Bravo!

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  389. @Willard Libby:

    “The whole PUA world is filled with sex nerds, aspergy weirdos, deeply awkward men and manipulative creeps.”

    So? If it is true, I see it as a constructive case of ‘weird’/aspergic/awkward men being cognizant of their social flaws and practising things like game to work themselves to a level of normalcy. Game for normal men is just subconscious. If they get more quality pussy than Joe Bloggs, who wins?

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  390. Laura,

    i have recently reREAD gone with the wind, rather than watching the movie for the 1000th time. i was astonished that the ENTIRE BOOK is a treatise on game–everything that goes through scarlett’s head about frank kennedy and rhett respectively, for pages, corroborates every single word written here. i kept wishing i could post whole pages of the book here. reread it if you haven’t recently you’ll be stunned

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  391. realist,

    Give Sniper a break. Waiting a few months is not simply a shit test. Some women actually do like to know a man really well before they will sleep with him. (In fact, that policy used to be recommended by society for all women until very recently.)

    And the fact that their current boyfriend is not their first relationship ever does not mean that they should automatically change their minds about knowing him really well before sleeping with him. You logic is deficient.

    I admit that the way she originally talked about this, it might have sounded to you like it was just a shit test, in which case it would be a pretty silly and wasteful way to go about things, but the way I interpreted it was that weeding out the men who only wanted her for sex was a side benefit of the desire to know a boyfriend really well before sleeping with him.

    Sniper has written about her INTJ personality type. I don’t give a great deal of weight to those classifications, though they’re a lot better than astrological signs (Hi, Anouk!), but one of the characteristics of that personality type is a more systematic and cerebral approach to relationships; for girls, that means keeping a tighter rein on one’s sexual impulses. There’s no reason to disbelieve that the approach she describes makes sense for her; although even for INTJs, certain relationships naturally put the “getting-to-know-you” engine into overdrive and progress much faster towards the desired degree of familiarity and comfort than she may have yet experienced.

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  392. Hi Roissy,

    Big fan for a while. I recently wrote a blog post from a woman’s perspective (As I am one) detailing the importance of being “thin” and the lies of “curvy is beautiful”- i think you’ll enjoy it and it will definitely be something that your female fans will like.

    One of the only buffers to aging we have is to maintain a good body, and i definitely want to help spread the word. Maybe if you agree, you can link to it? That’d be very nice!

    http://lowcarbish.blogspot.com/2010/07/importance-of-being-earnest-and-thin.html

    Take care!

    Dream_Puppy

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  393. Crazy shoe:

    She doesn’t specifically mention spivs, but she does characterize the type in her illustrations.

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  394. @whorefinder

    I see you conveniently ignored being called out on the face thing.

    There is no inconsistency in what I said.

    Here it is all laid out for you. For the purposes of clarification I’m referring to straight out hitting/slapping around/face as you referred to initially (not say light spanking which is prevalent in England).

    1) I don’t like being hit during sex.
    2) Women I am friends with who have told me about trying it say they don’t like it.

    So if I were concluding something based on my personal experience alone, I could conclude that no woman likes being hit during sex. But that would, frankly be stupid.

    Just for a start, some possibilities:
    a) out of the women who told me they don’t like being hit, some weren’t telling the truth
    b) I may know other women who like it but have never discussed it with them
    c) there are other women in the world who like it d) there are other women in the world who like it and actively seek it out.
    e) there may be some women who don’t like it but go along with it and may even pretend to like it to please their man

    There is plenty of evidence of this, which is why I commented about it to Laura.

    But you claim that *all* women like being hit. And if I disagree, I’m being illogical with a tiny mind. Hah.

    What are you basing it on, your personal experience? Assuming you are actually engaging in hitting women during sex in a remotely significant number not just spending your time writing your charming blog, if your personality is anything like your online persona, has it not occurred to you there’s something about the type of woman who gets together with you?

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  395. As mates, INTJs want harmony and order in the home and in relationships. They are the most independent of all types. They will trust their intuitions about others when making choices of friends and mates, even in the face of contradictory evidence and pressures applied by others. The emotions of an INTJ are hard to read, and neither male nor female INTJ is apt to express emotional reactions.

    At times, both will seem cold, reserved, and unresponsive, while in fact INTJs are almost hypersensitive to signals of rejection from those for whom they care. In social situations, INTJs may also be unresponsive and may neglect to observe small rituals designed to put others at their ease…
    They do not enjoy physical contact except with a chosen few.

    Sniper’s attitude/approach makes perfect sense when you consider her high IQ & Myers Briggs type. Very atypical female, not that there’s anything wrong with that.

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  396. (forgot to put quote marks around the top two paragraphs of my above post)

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  397. Laura:

    Rhett Butler did run some good game on Scarlett. The thing I never understood is why it took so long to work on her.

    I don’t think it’s accurate to say it took a long time for Rhett’s game to work on Scarlett. She finds him attractive very early on and admits to herself that he is exciting and that she enjoys his company. Plus, the book makes it clear that his touch turns her on. In fact, Scarlett is never more giddy about Rhett than the morning after the most controversial scene in the book (the “rape”) that occurs after Rhett drunkenly confronts Scarlett about cheating on him with Ashley. The book actually says that Scarlett is convinced that Rhett loves her because he dominated her all night and that she needed someone like that.

    What IS unusual is that it takes Scarlett so long to realize she loves Rhett and that everything he did was a sign of his love for her. But that is because most men don’t have to compete with someone as opposite and equally strong of frame as Ashley Wilkes, and Ashley had Scarlett’s heart first. Ashley never tries to win Scarlett, but he ironically is able to keep her on the hook for twelve years because of this. (Also, he marries a woman Scarlett despises, so that fuels the fire as well. Scarlett spends most of the book wanting to steal Ashley from Melanie.) Although Margaret Mitchell intends for us to see that Ashley is weak, he spends the majority of the book as higher status in Scarlett’s eyes. As a result, Rhett never has a real chance to win Scarlett’s love.

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  398. @J

    you missed the boat. either she’s talking about a pathetic strain within pua subculture or she’s giving game a big categorical thumbs up or down. there is not a word of her commentary that suggests she’s doing anything but the latter, and that she’s basically unfriendly to virile male concern. but go ahead and keep sucking up. you’re not raining on my parade.

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  399. my syntax was a little garbled in my last comment but i think i mostly got my meaning across.

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  400. on July 15, 2010 at 11:26 am Capt. Obvious

    @Polymath,

    “Give Sniper a break. Waiting a few months is not simply a shit test.”

    Why are you sticking up for Sniper?
    ]
    Oh, and she did call it a shit test.

    In case you haven’t read any of the other comments Sniper has left, she is no friend of game. She is pretty much a troll that comes on this blog to leave snarky comments.

    As for her advice, it won’t work outside of very religious areas. You see, her advice suffers from the same problem at the heart of the Prisoner’s Dilemma: people, this this case women, often won’t cooperate – even if it is in their best interest.

    Too many girls give up sex relatively quickly today (and not just sluts), so any girl taking up Sniper’s advice had better be a knockout in terms of looks or she will be left with only the desperate losers who can’t get it from anyone else.

    I also take issue with her idea that only a “hornball” wants sex relatively quickly. Any man with a sex drive will want sex. After all, what are these men supposed to be doing while they wait for idiots like Sniper to feel like it is the right time, jerk off every night thinking about her?

    What is the point of having a girlfriend if you have to jerk yourself off every time you get horny?

    Further, I bet Sniper hates having sex. People shouldn’t take the advice of asexual types like Sniper.

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  401. @Doug & Gorbachev

    Agreed, I think a guy like the one I mentioned would make a great husband (and did to his first wife).

    And personally (and I have thought quite long and hard about this), I wouldn’t have an issue with the sort of dalliance I mentioned in his case. I would think a woman who married him then went berserk over this type of infidelity unreasonable.

    Thing is, I think (you may disagree Doug) that he’s a rare type of person. I think he would deliberately keep any extra marital liaisons at a distance to avoid the risk of getting emotionally involved. But from what I see, a lot of of men aren’t like that. There are plenty who will get emotionally attached to a mistress or even just put so much effort into chasing other women that it is to the detriment of their main relationship whether they want to admit it or not.

    Throw in manipulative women that Nicole hinted at, the pressures all marriages go through, e.g. the birth of a baby is a vulnerable time and it can get into quite risky territory.

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  402. If Game were so damn girly, you’d think a *feminist* would be glad to see men practicing their pickup. Equality of the sexes, and all that.

    The trouble is (and this is coming from a diehard liberal) that a lot of people crying for “equality” are really striving for superiority, and the “equality” meme is abandonded once there is no longer an obvious disparity to fixate on.

    The other trouble is that too many people think “equality” and “sameness” are the same thing. They’re not. Men should act like men, women should act like women, and differentiation need not come with hierarchy.

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  403. @Capt Obvious
    Is there a chance that someone who is having his sexual needs met elsewhere (harem or just FB) would date Sniper (or another girl) for a few months without having sex?

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  404. @exsplat

    “just noticed your other post to me, J. You mention that it’s not sustainable for a man to not marry, and that his future is better served by settling down when the settling is good.”

    For many men it is. YMMV, but I was pointing that IRL I’ve seen men miss the boat. My father had a lot of friends like that, in fact. If you feel it doesn’t apply to you then it’s not something you should take personally. The post of mine that you originally responded to a general comment and not one pointed specifically at you.

    “Why is it, J, that everything you say revolves around how valuable you are as a mate and a life choice?”

    I could ask you the same based on this: “My confidence is well earned. I will ALWAYS be able to attract women.”

    As to my own situation, my belief in my continued value comes from the fact that IRL, people respond to me as valuable. My husband loves me. I continue to attract men as you continue to attract women, although obviously, I don’t act on it. Maybe we are both making the same mistake in believing that external validation; who knows?

    And BTW, not all my comments revolve around me as a good choice; I’ve said some great things about my husband as well. I view our relationship as a two-way street.

    As to depending on men for security, I really don’t. One of my themes here has been that no matter how great the guy, women need to have their own autonomy and that includes the ability to support themselves. Although my husband has been a fantastic provider since the kids came, there was a time been I brought in 50% of our income. Since I was a stay-at-home mom for a long time and am still only a flex-time worker while he was out in the workforce growing a career, I will never be able to equal his income, but if I needed to could still support myself–which is all I really need. (I am on the other hand, very grateful that his hard work provided me with options and our boys with one SAH parent who could be there with them when they needed it. I also make sure that things are good enough around our house to make that equitable for him. He’s a good guy, and he deserves it.) Money isn’t what keeps me in the marriage, love is.
    And although I’m sure I strike you as a bitch, I do really love my husband–and I respect him too. But that’s based on his strength of character, not on money, or fear, or the need for a daddy.

    And, I’ll tell, in this post-feminist world, where women do have autonomy, I think love and respect are the best things a guy can hope for from a woman (and sex too ;-)).

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  405. @polymath

    Give Sniper a break. Waiting a few months is not simply a shit test. Some women actually do like to know a man really well before they will sleep with him. (In fact, that policy used to be recommended by society for all women until very recently.) And the fact that their current boyfriend is not their first relationship ever does not mean that they should automatically change their minds about knowing him really well before sleeping with him.”

    Absolutely!!!

    Thanks for saying this. Sometimes I think a woman just can’t win here. If she jumps into bed, she’s a pump and pump. If she doesn’t she’s shit-testing! It’s in a woman’s healthy self-interest to take her time. And, unfortunately these days, some women need a few pumps and dumps to learn that. That doesn’t make them hypergamous sluts, it just shows a lack of experience and understanding that a carousel ride is only a carousel ride.

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  406. on July 15, 2010 at 11:47 am Capt. Obvious

    @lily,

    “Is there a chance that someone who is having his sexual needs met elsewhere (harem or just FB) would date Sniper (or another girl) for a few months without having sex?”

    No.

    The reason is it actually pretty hard to get harem’s or FB’s in real life for most men, unless they are willing to dumpster dive (i.e., sleep with ugly girls).

    Most guys just want an attractive girlfriend to go out on dates & have sex with.

    Even “players” can be “taken down” and made faithful to one girl if she is pretty enough & has a nice personality.

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  407. Capt. Obvious,

    What is the point of having a girlfriend if you have to jerk yourself off every time you get horny?

    Further, I bet Sniper hates having sex. People shouldn’t take the advice of asexual types like Sniper.

    First of all, see Eric’s comment which agrees with and elaborates on mine.

    Second, the “point” is not “having” a girlfriend, it is getting to know someone better and better over time with the ultimate objective, if all goes well, of a long-term (and fully sexual) relationship. Is it really “Obvious” to you that only loser men might appreciate such an attitude in a woman? What is the longest relationship you have ever had?

    Third, if you had seen Sniper’s blog, you would recognize a rather coy and restrained, but genuine, sexuality there.

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  408. “Even “players” can be “taken down” and made faithful to one girl if she is pretty enough & has a nice personality.”

    Oh, so…not true.

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  409. White, married, greater beta ratings update:

    LILGRL – upon review of additional photo and video evidence posted yesterday, I am revising my previous 7 rating to 6. (6.75 body, 5.25 face).

    Sniper – solid 7. (7.5 body, 6.0 face, 7.5 style)

    Rebellious Vanilla – you are the girl in the picture like I am George Clooney. I speculate that you are a male, eastern european with white separatist/neo-nazi tendencies. 0.0.

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  410. My comment is stuck in moderation, so I will repeat it without the troublesome link.

    Capt. Obvious,

    What is the point of having a girlfriend if you have to jerk yourself off every time you get horny?

    Further, I bet Sniper hates having sex. People shouldn’t take the advice of asexual types like Sniper.

    First of all, see Eric’s comment which agrees with and elaborates on mine.

    Second, the “point” is not “having” a girlfriend, it is getting to know someone better and better over time with the ultimate objective, if all goes well, of a long-term (and fully sexual) relationship. Is it really “Obvious” to you that only loser men might appreciate such an attitude in a woman? What is the longest relationship you have ever had?

    Third, if you had seen Sniper’s blog, you would recognize a rather coy and restrained, but genuine, sexuality there.

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  411. Sidewinder,

    You are mistaken.

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  412. “But I think by far most women greatly overestimate the danger that men will tend to fall so much in love w/a fling that they’ll leave their wife or want to stop having sex with their wife, assuming the relationship is basically strong, and not horribly dysfunctional, with the wife belittling hubby all the time.”–Doug

    Dang, you’re a smart guy, Doug. Kudos…

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  413. In the interest of clarity, we have two Js commenting.

    J @ 4:19 and 10:50 is not me.

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  414. Astrology is great! I also levitate objects with my mind, soar like Superman, and occasionally turn unpleasant people into small animals. (I kid, I kid!)

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  415. @ polymath,

    Which do you disagree with? If you’re referring to RV, I’ll believe it when I see it. But even if that is her picture, she’s a 7.5, maybe an 8 tops. Difficult to really see in the limited photos. LILGRL is a good demonstration of how 2 dimensional photos can be manipulated.

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  416. Sidewinder,

    Yes, the more extensive recent photos of LILGRL should result in a downgrade, though I downgrade her from 8 to 7 rather than from 7 to 6. For Sniper, I give her face a 7 instead of the 6 you do, and major style points, so she rounds up to an 8 for me (in a comment of mine stuck in moderation, replying to Captain Obtuse, I have a link to a particularly nice picture from her blog). I can confirm that RV is female.

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  417. “As a result, Rhett never has a real chance to win Scarlett’s love.”

    Should’ve “raped” her earlier and gotten drunk earlier, should’ve known that the way to a woman’s heart is through her vagina.

    “I have spent some time trying to devise an experiment that could shed light on this question: Are xx brains capable of self conscious analysis of their own sexual instincts? I have some ideas, but nothing is ready for formal testing.”

    There was a nytimes article regarding female sexuality that showed some interesting results. it included bononbo sex too.

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  418. About the term “bridegroom””

    From Answers.com: A man who is about to be married or has recently been married. [Alteration (influenced by GROOM) of Middle English bridegome, from Old English brȳdguma : brȳd, bride; see bride + guma, man.]

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  419. Still writing about the evils of feminism? Egad. How yesterday is that?

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  420. Polymath,

    I think we’re in the same ballpark, perhaps our relative scales need calibrating. In my ratings scale, 5.0 is the bare minimum threshold for a drunk bang. 5.5 is the minimum threshold for a sober bang. 6.0 is a decently pretty girl with no embarrassment factor. 7.0 is a legitimately attractive girl. 8 is worthy of making significant life changes. 9’s are not going to happen for me except under extraordinary circumstances. 9s are really only available to natural alphas, IMO.

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  421. Dream Puppy, I’m going to call bullshit. Nothing can save you from the wall.

    In fact, skinnier women hit it harder than the reasonably curvy and even somewhat technically overweight.

    Hating on curves is a feminist dick sizing activity.

    Women should focus on being healthy, and the weight takes care of itself. If an individual doesn’t think they’re thin enough after eating well and exercising, there are drugs and there is surgery. No need to play pretend that this is really about fitness when you’re smearing people with legit health problems that led to their inactivity and weight gain.

    It irks me when sanctimonious twits who secretly vomit or steal their kids’ Concerta, or swallow handfulls of “thermogenic” supplements, start selling bullshit to vulnerable women and badly programmed men.

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  422. Ratings (cont.)

    Anoukange – 7.25 (6.5 face, 7.0 body, 8.0 excellence)

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  423. Sidewinder,

    Our scales are not too far apart, I have explained my calibration here.

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  424. Sidewinder,

    Another comment with a link stuck in moderation, so here is my calibration:

    10 Goddess
    9 Gorgeous
    8 Hot
    7 Cute
    6 Okay
    5 Plain
    4 Homely
    3 Ugly
    2 Hideous
    1 Monster

    or in operational terms

    10 Would destroy your life for it
    9 Worth extreme effort
    8 Worth significant effort
    7 Definitely if opportunity arises
    6 Wouldn’t mind
    5 OK if drunk or she has a nice personality
    4 OK as a humanitarian act if she has a lovely personality
    3 Always reflects badly on you
    2 Only at gunpoint
    1 Not even at gunpoint

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  425. @Gorbachev:

    My point on astrology is that everyone who “debunks” has no knowledge of how to use it or truly understands it. They are too keen to show themselves as rational that they never bother to learn the art in the first place. Critics of astrology always speak of it from a position of ignorance. It doesn’t really matter to me what you think or what anyone else thinks about it as long as I can practice the art freely. It works like a charm for me and everyone else who knows what they’re doing. I’ve never heard astrologers pick the wrong president for instance and I’ve followed that since Reagan. All of the major astologers also said that Obama would be elected but have a difficult presidency and encounter massive difficulties with the electorate. I could go on and on. I can predict my own future circumstances with a high degree of accuracy. This is why I believe in God. If the future can be known, then it is predetermined and that means someone planned it. Atheists tend to practice selective analysis of their environment to reinforce their prejudices too.

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  426. Polymath,

    I think your 7 = is roughly my 6, and your 8 = my 7.5. I agree with your spacing except for 5 and 6. I don’t see much difference between plain and okay. I do agree however that the doable threshold is in the 5-6 range, and 7 is the threshold where a girl is worthy of significant attention.

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  427. on July 15, 2010 at 12:56 pm Vincent Ignatius

    anouk-

    –you needed me on speed dial so I could have told you exactly what to say to have succeed in a proper mind fuck. hee, hee.

    I still got the notch.

    p.s.- astrology is incredibly mathematical at its core.

    Numerology is not mathematics.

    I probably will learn it soon, just to help out my game. I imagine if I really learn the different houses and what they mean, then there’s probably an iphone app I could use to plug in a girl’s date, time and place of birth to generate all the relevant info and then I can press her tingle buttons by interpreting her horoscope in detail.

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  428. Vincent, if you’re just learning something mystical to improve your game, then _The Satanic Bible_ would be simpler and less of an assault to your sensibilities.

    Then read _The Satanic Witch_ for lesser magic and the “synthesizer clock”.

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  429. @ Tyrone,

    A diety is not necessarily implied by predestination. If ESP or astrology is real, than it is a real perception just like our commonly understood perceptions, including inductive and deductive reasoning. Based on known perceptions, we can predict the behavior of certain organisms. For example, if I plant a corn seed, using our collective observations and minimal reasoning, we can predict that it will sprout and grow into a corn plant according to an anticipated schedule. A God isn’t required to establish the likely trajectory of that corn seed. It is also true that predictive trajectories do not require predestination in order to be accurate.

    Perhaps you are trying to have it both ways, by claiming the validity (actual truth/reality) of astrology and/or ESP, yet when your claim is examined, you fall back on “magic” or God as its source. I don’t think this is a very persuasive case for astrology.

    Your understanding of athiests is also very limited. While some “lesser” athiests make the positive assertion that there is no God, most athiests, and the only logically consistent athiest position is that positive assertions are only worthy of belief if the available evidence suggests they are more likely the case than not, and given an evaluation of all the available evidence, athiests do not believe it indicates the existence of God is more likely true than not.

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  430. @nicole I think curves are fine. I just think the word “curves” has been hijacked by the fat acceptance movement to make women feel ok with having giant thighs and a gunt.

    Curves are lovely. But what fat women have been programmed to think of as curves is FAT not curves. (I have pics on my site showing this)

    I agree about the wall. The wall is the wall and it sucks. What I am saying is there are ways to mitigate the wall (And women who will hit the wall should already be married long term and have children). One of the ways of mitigating is to stay thin. Another one is to be pleasant and a great mother. Yet another is not to marry a super alpha that gets more ass than a toilet seat.

    This is not advice for cougars or chicks who should have settled for that nice young beta provider 15 years ago. But I do think it is GREAT advice for married women who want to at least attempt to keep their husbands.

    Thin women look better than fat women. I don’t see the controversy in this.

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  431. @ Nicole. Hey What gives?

    This is in your comments: “It irks me when sanctimonious twits who secretly vomit or steal their kids’ Concerta, or swallow handfulls of “thermogenic” supplements, start selling bullshit to vulnerable women and badly programmed men.”

    But then I read this in your blog? “Yesterday, I received my package of 180 g. hoodia gordonii powder.”

    BTW i don’t “vomit” and I don’t know what Concerta is. I just eat low carb and lift weights + sprint intervals. Work in progress….

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  432. on July 15, 2010 at 1:23 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””””on July 15, 2010 at 2:56 am Tyrone
    @Gorbachev:

    Do you know anything about astrology? I think not. If you knew how to use it, you would find it to be a very effective tool. Most people who criticize astrology have no idea how it works or how to use it and are parotting what others tell them and reinforcing their own prejudices, not unike Ms. McArdle. And yes, there is a God. If you want to pretend otherwise, be my guest. Atheists are the fools in this debate. They can’t see the forest for the trees. I use astrology all the time and am pretty advanced in its uses. It took several years to get there as well. Until you can use it then you have no palce criticizing it. I realize your statements are common coin, but they’re made in ignorance. Its got little to do with the daily newspaper prediction. Reality is stranger than we like to think.
    ”””””””””
    I would say astrology can help someone cope with the cognative dissonance of why am I better than everyone else. Why do I make 50k in 2 days but all these other people make jack shit. Astrologer says because the stars aligned in your favor. It is ok for you to be better than everyone else money wise. No problem its cool you were meant to be this way because of the stars. Not because other people just don’t want to put in effort. It can I imagine be a feelgood feedback loop. Your already successful so you go to astrologer and they tell you they see love and money coming into your life. It is just affirmation of what everyone wants.

    Then again think about it after an astroliger has been doing it a while they can predict a line of life based on some facts told to them by a person. Or they can create an outcome by telling someone what to do and if the person listens highly likely that it will happen right.

    I predicted many things in my life and guess what they came true. Why? Because I worked towards them. Life can be simplified down to this and that but there do come along things that are not planned but end goals can be achieved anyway.

    As you see in this thread woman do like astrology as they are the focal point of the whole universe it is cool. Plus they probably have a lot to deal with as far as why do I deserve so many things in regards to others. Could be because the stars said so. Take a woman where millionaire after millionaire is proposing. Well yea she knows she didn’t do anything to earn a mil but she can have it because the stars said it was ok it was meant to be. Not because she looked good and had a pussy.

    It can be a heavy weight to bear when you have everything taken care of early in life and you look around at the suckers and are like how the fuck do I deserve this. How did I figure this shit out at 18 when my dad who is a genious did not. Or the educated did not or people with masters and doctorates did not. Why do I deserve to be in a better position than almost anyone on the planet?

    I don’t do the astrology though I just carry those burdens on my shoulders but I do this blog which owns.

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  433. on July 15, 2010 at 1:26 pm Capt. Obvious

    @Polymath,

    “First of all, see Eric’s comment which agrees with and elaborates on mine.”

    What that Myers-Briggs classifications?

    I don’t totally buy those classifications.

    “Second, the “point” is not “having” a girlfriend, it is getting to know someone better and better over time with the ultimate objective, if all goes well, of a long-term (and fully sexual) relationship.”

    This sounds odd, like almost from another time.

    How old are you Polymath?

    I am in my late twenties, and this advice seems dated.

    “Is it really “Obvious” to you that only loser men might appreciate such an attitude in a woman? What is the longest relationship you have ever had?”

    It is obvious that in today’s sexual marketplace, such an approach would leave a girl with mostly desperate men, barring her having looks on her side.

    The longest relationship I have had is around 3 & 1/2 years.

    In fact, it was after that relationship that I started studying game since I had gotten a little rusty as far as pick ups go.

    “Third, if you had seen Sniper’s blog, you would recognize a rather coy and restrained, but genuine, sexuality there.”

    I don’t have time to spend to look through Sniper’s blog.

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  434. Dream, what planet are you living on?

    Fat women have been programmed that they’re worthless.

    Fat acceptance was, originally an anti feminist protest to the intensification of their efforts to destroy gender differences by convincing people that it is morally wrong to be normal sized or a bit chubby, much less fat.

    Because of the continued and largely successful efforts of feminists to convince men and women that women should remain boyishly thin throughout their lives, or else they’re oppressed “breeders”, people who are healthy and not starving have been lumped in with the obese…not that obesity should be a reason to treat someone inhumanely.

    Yes, a few do take things too far, but they’re not fat acceptors. They’re misguided soy swillers who don’t know why they’re fat, think they can’t help it, and justifiably, considering their ignorance, fire back at equally ignorant thinness obsessed harpies and hoes.

    If a man needs a 20 year old, it doesn’t matter how thin you are. You’re better off looking out for your own health, and if you want to keep him, stay socially relevant and let him go out and do what he needs to do instead of shagging an old lady he finds disgusting no matter how she paints herself.

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  435. interesting. it sounds like you date in radically different circles than i do.

    As much as there is a common human nature, including a common female nature, it is also important to remember just how radically different people can be. Furthermore, it is often difficult for people to believe that others often act radically different than ourselves. For the criminal, everyone is presumed to be as dishonest as himself. For the saint, everyone is presumed to be as good. I’ve seen both worlds. Everything you say about the dating scene is true. I’ve had women pursue me and whom I have gotten at least somewhat physical with, who I later found out had boyfriends. I’ve seen married women go off with one of my friends to give him a blow job. I’ve had attractive women (note plural) ask me to fuck them within a half hour of meeting (usually after a barrage of subtle and not so subtle shit tests). It’s out there. But it isn’t the whole truth, not by a long shot.

    the big city i’m currently in is like any other — i doubt if there’s a single virgin past the age of 18 within a five mile radius of me.

    I know you’re using hyperbole, but I think you’d be surprised. For example, if there is a high ranked university or college nearby there are probably smart, conservative religious girls who go there. Most of them virgins. (Hell, even some of the secular Ivy League girls are late at giving it up.)

    how do you know these eharmony girls aren’t lying? virginity would seem to be one of those things that is very easy to lie about and to sustain as a lie, at least until she gives it up, which presumably wouldn’t happen until her wedding night.

    A girl who would do that is taking an awful risk, no? Most guys I know, even beta-ish church guys would not accept that kind of behaviour.

    Dating history. A lot of them have never had boyfriends. It’s a small community, so I often know friends of friends who can confirm their dating history.

    Married friends confirming the virginity of their wives on their wedding night.

    Her having non-slutty friends.

    Being close friends with some of the wives of my male friends. I don’t ask about specific people in my social circle, but they are happy to tell me about the rough percentage of church girls they know who were virgins at marriage.

    Gynecologist acquaintances and internet comments from gynecologists confirming that attractive virgins in their late 20s-early 30s are still out there (along with women who have jawdroppingly promiscuous pasts and the STD histories to go with them).

    Significant numbers of girls requiring that you be a virgin before they will date you.

    The girls giving off a really different vibe. Not that this means anything in itself, but there is something different about these girls, even from the pseudo-good girls I meet all the time through teaching and different too from the small town “conservative” girls I know. Different also from the vibe you get from the teenage girls, a lot of whom are being dragged to church by their parents or who haven’t really made a decision as to whether they will stick with it.

    Having to go slower physically than with regular girls. No going for the kiss before the third date. I can’t believe how many nice, 7-9 ranked girls I destroyed things with figuring out exactly when to make a move. Horrible. Anyway, you should kino these girls, they like lots of physical affection, but not get too sexual.

    The willingness of these girls to dump you over matters of principle, including seemingly small theological matters, even though they obviously like you. Like Darwinism. Some of them will plead with you to change your mind and give you multiple chances. “I really want you to think about this.” Said with pleading eyes. Not all girls are completely ruled by the tingle.

    They never go out to bars and clubs. I have a phenomenal memory for faces, and while simultaneously attending two huge churches in a city of about 1 million and going out almost every night to bars and clubs to practice, I only saw 3 girls out. One a very young girl, one an opera singer I had previously asked out, and one this very hot hairdresser. I know the first two were regular attenders, but the I think the last one was only dragged to church by her more devout sister. I did meet one guy, a natural, who both goes to church and likes to pull club girls. As a control group, I during this time I saw about 6 girls from the small Catholic school board I worked for out in the bars.

    The churches really try to fill up the schedule of young people. Small group one night. Young adult service another night. Sports night another night. Youth missions night another night.

    Studies show that marital happiness among women is correlated with psychological femininity in the husband. Some chicks dig the beta and beta boyfriends don’t tend to push things sexually.

    Guys in the community being afraid of getting a reputation. A guy who had sex with a girl and then dumped her would get a massively bad rep. Its a small community. Word would get around.

    Comments from different internet people, including some of your commenters, that women with low partner counts are usually telling the truth.

    The fact that these women could still get husbands, in or out of the church, even with just a low partner count.

    The general truthfulness of these girls about non-sexual matters.

    and what is your experience dating these self-professed virgins? are they giving it up to you pre-maritally? are you playing by the fifty date rule?

    Something like the 50 date rule, you might say. I haven’t been banging them. I dated an adorable borderline 7 for 3 months. Then I dated an 8.5 for another 3 months. The first one dumped me over Darwinism, the second because I didn’t feed her deep emotional need to constantly talk about how God fit into absolutely everything in both of our daily lives. That and I was a bit heavy handed in telling her that she needed to be able to support me in my artistic pursuits. She was worried that she wouldn’t be able to live up to that.

    are they giving sexytime without sacrificing their virginity by offering mouth or ass on a technicality? (which, btw, probably skews those GSS results purporting to show declining promiscuity rates.)

    I hear about this kind of thing going on from friends in traditional immigrant cultures, but I’ve never heard about it in white religious circles.

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  436. Dream, yes I take hoodia. I’m just not enough of a hypocrite or a liar to tell fat people they’re going to get thin in any reasonable amount of time without drugs, surgery, or a lot more exercise than an hour a day.

    You have probably never been fat. I am fat, just less fat than I used to be. So having actually had to lose a large amount of weight (40 kg. so far), I’m more qualified to tell people how to lose 40 kg.

    I’ll do it without the bullshit.

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  437. Nicole,
    I liked Dream Puppy’s website. You don’t need to have a knee jerk reaction every time someone suggests that women look better thin rather than overweight. It’s healthier and people feel better when they are more slender. Overweight people often have tons of health problems.

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  438. Nicole! Look at the women who I put down as having desirable figures according to men. None of them are skinny. What are you talking about?

    http://lowcarbish.blogspot.com/2010/07/importance-of-being-earnest-and-thin.html

    “morally wrong to be normal sized or a bit chubby, much less fat.”

    Not saying it is ‘morally wrong’ to be fat. It just looks really bad.

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  439. Laura, this isn’t a knee jerk. This is calling bullshitters out on their bullshit.

    Skinny people who’ve only had to ever “struggle” with maybe 2-5 kg. shouldn’t be lording this over others as if it is an accomplishment to have the genetic ability to withstand gallons of toxic sludge without gaining weight. It’s something they were born with.

    Those without the same genes need non hypocritical people to explain to them that it’s not morally wrong to be fat, and that whatever may be going on in the sexual market, there’s something going on in their bodies that needs seeing to.

    First things first. Dick size over waist measurements after everybody’s sufficiently educated on how to eat like a human so they’ll look like a human, instead of eating like a cow…

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  440. Captain O,

    I didn’t expect you to look though the blog, that’s why I provided you with a link in my post at 11:48 am.

    And no matter how much the “sexual marketplace” has changed in the two decades between you and me, it is an unvarying feature of human nature that SOME men and SOME women want long-term (often permanent, often with children) relationships with each other.

    In those relationships, compatibility is of very high importance, and spending a few months getting to know someone really well is a reasonable investment for someone who wants that kind of relationship.

    I don’t see how you can possibly deny what I’ve said above. The only point you have made that is even pertinent is that women who want to hold off on sex until they know the person really well are outcompeted by sluts so that this is no longer a viable strategy for them.

    This point is actually about men, not women. You think that “today” all men have become unable to make a tradeoff between short-term and long-term satisfaction, because of the availability of sluts. The only correct thing about this is that there are more men than there used to be who are unable to make this tradeoff. But basic human nature has not changed, and not all men have as superficial an attitude towards relationships as you have.

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  441. on July 15, 2010 at 1:57 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””Sidewinder,
    For example, if I plant a corn seed, using our collective observations and minimal reasoning, we can predict that it will sprout and grow into a corn plant according to an anticipated schedule. A God isn’t required to establish the likely trajectory of that corn seed. ””””
    Nice analogy.

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  442. …and have you read the post? The women she’s showing as examples of acceptable old women have all used drugs and plastic surgery to keep that look.

    All of them.

    Then she compared them to two women, one who was struggling with ovarian cancer, and goodness knows what else she had to lead to that. It wasn’t fat, at least not until she was well past the wall.

    It’s hypocrisy.

    Everybody on earth already knows that the vast majority of men prefer slender women. Everybody.

    Why harp on it unless you’re a harpie?

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  443. @realist

    GIRL:”i think we should wait a few months for sex”

    GUY:”Are you a virgin or something?”

    The correct answer is:

    GIRL: “It’s just that I want to be sure the time is right for us and I don’t feel that it is right now.”

    The point is that it’s irrelevant whether or not she’s a virgin, so answering “yes” or “no” to the virginity question is pointless. If he keeps pushing the girl to give him a blueprint of the status of her hymen, it makes him look like the pushy, virginity-obsessed psycho, and he thus loses.

    Anyway, you’re just proving my point that this test is gold. If he refuses to wait just because he thinks she’s not a virgin, then it’s frank that he’s not a respectful person she should want as a boyfriend. There is no way to “pass” it. He is either a pushy asshole who only wants her for her body and gets thrown out, or he respects her sincerity to make it special and make it last.

    If you were worth waiting that long for, you’d still be with one of the first couple of Chumps you got to jump through the hoops.

    I broke off all of my relationships. People change and grow, etc. and I’m not naive enough to expect one person to be right for me for my entire life. I am still in close contact with all of them and they’re now some of my best friends.

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  444. @Nicole But that’s what my blog is about. It’s about helping people understand the the current Standard American Diet is wrong and there are alternatives. The alternatives I present are backed up by an overwhelming amount of evidence. Much more than the now defunct Lipid Hypothesis ever did.

    As far as genetics is concerned, around 12% of the population in the 1960s (http://faculty.washington.edu/kepeter/119/images/cholesterol_obesity_rates.jpg)was obese. Unless there was some weird genetic mutation that caused people 30 years later to spontaneously expand we can deduce that it has less to do with genetics and more to do with the “food” we eat today.

    Further, making assumptions about someone you have never met usually leads to those assumptions being flawed. Perhaps we just have different thresholds for what is a weight that we deemed to high (and therefore took action). Mine was 135. Maybe for others it is 250. However, just because my threshold for action was much lower than yours does not mean I am fortunate. Every thin woman I know watches what she eats. Just like you deem it unfair for other to think the obese are slothful gluttons do not turn around and accuse the the thin of just having won the genetic lottery.

    It’s not that simple.

    Feel free to rebut, but this argument is really going nowhere so I am bowing out here. I do like your blog, by the way, and hope that you have great success in your weight loss journey.

    (btw Thanks @Laura)

    -Dream Puppy

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  445. If they’ll let me, I’ll take some photos of a couple of friends of mine who are relatively slender and goodlooking women in their 60’s. Then I’ll take some of women who are the same size, fatter, and skinnier than them, around the same age.

    The ability to look good as you get older is genetic. Some have it, and some don’t. Either way, a woman who wants to stay married has to, in the age of marriage 2.0, understand that they are forever in competition not just with the women their husbands can get (who may or may not be prettier than her), but women they can’t get who are “out there”.

    Then there are prostitutes…very hot ones who don’t care that he’s old as dirt.

    If the most important thing for a guy is that a woman is young and hot, there is nothing you can do about it. Nothing. No amount of starving or surgery is going to change male nature. It is what it is.

    So healthwise, you have to look out for you, and marriage wise, like I said, it helps to be socially relevant.

    Let the rest go. It’s not worth the worry or wasting your time fighting human nature.

    After a certain age, you’re no longer competing for sex. You’re competing for company, because sexually, you’re already permanently not the preferred item on the menu.

    If you’re lucky, you’ll get hold of a guy who gets horny from good company.

    Just be advised, those are incredibly rare.

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  446. Nicole,
    Gluttony and sloth are sins so one could make a case for it to be morally wrong to be fat. I agree with you that being obsessed with your own appearance isn’t attractive, but there is a happy medium. I know someone that runs a business and he told me that the overweight women that work for him always need special considerations that the slender women don’t need. Being obese makes them less good workers.

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  447. Dream, I have a blog about the same topic, and the *last* thing I would dream of doing is posting photos of fat and skinny celebrities, and comparing them.

    I might post photos of real life people, and show the difference between someone who was fat and got thin on diet and exercise, and someone who (probably more realistically) used drugs and surgery.

    I would definitely not hold up the drugs and surgery examples of why people should eat a healthier diet. It’s hypocritical and dishonest.

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  448. Laura, people could also make a case that being slim makes one more likely to become a prostitute.

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  449. @anoukange
    Please could you post some more of your astrology stuff? Can you do the other star signs?

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  450. @J

    Sometimes I think a woman just can’t win here. If she jumps into bed, she’s a pump and pump. If she doesn’t she’s shit-testing! It’s in a woman’s healthy self-interest to take her time.

    Exactly! Another thing is that apparently once a woman has sex with one man, it means she has to have sex with all men who ask for it. If she doesn’t, then she’s an uppity egotistical princess who thinks she’s special (ie, not a skank).

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  451. on July 15, 2010 at 2:30 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””’xsplat,
    It’s the rare person who passes through all stages of grief for most of the troublesome facts of life, but it’s also a better balanced person.”””””’
    Hopefully worth it. Definetly painfull to find out that everything you hear almost is a pretty lie.

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  452. Fat women have been programmed that they’re worthless.

    Diabetes still loves you fatties.

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  453. polymath
    Give Sniper a break. Waiting a few……

    …although even for INTJs, certain relationships naturally put the “getting-to-know-you” engine into overdrive and progress much faster towards the desired degree of familiarity and comfort than she may have yet experienced.

    Nuther words due to her specific drives (low sex, high companionate) and aspirations (long term high commitment), she chooses a strategy that could be suitable for her – making the guy wait two months.

    I’m sure you could see how for lot of guys, that wait would be well outside what would be the ideal match.

    They type of girl who could snag me for life would not be able to wait that long.

    Some guys like a woman with self restraint. I could never stand one. Not with THAT much.

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  454. @Sniper,

    If you haven’t noticed, there *is* a double-standard. It’s easy to explain.

    – Men become disillusioned because women chase Alphas and sleep with them with abandon. As most men are not Alpha, they get bitter.

    Either they:

    – Assume all women are sluts or treat them as such, out of bitterness.

    OR

    – Stop themselves from being bitter/hating women, find ways of sleeping with women and ignore women who won’t have sex. Game is an excellent route for these men. For them, any woman who does not have sex is like furniture or landmarks; interesting but not relevant.

    If the men are already Alpha when they learn this, they look at women this way:

    – Women who fuck me are whores and sluts. What fun! I’d only marry a virginal goodie-goodie and get tail on the side.

    – Women are all basically lustful, you just need to get it out of them. For a LTR, I want to train a goodie-goodie to be my personal slut, for me only.

    Alphas will almost always fool around. Because they can.

    If you never have sex, the other women out there will be servicing your men. If not, and your men are loyal, your men are much, much lower on the alpha-beta scale, have low libidos (bad for the woman), or have emotional/personal limitations (psychological problems, religiosity).

    Your attitude is healthy and would be fine in another environment, but the men may have already given up on the women of the world. Some women, pretty, attractive ones, etc., have very aggressive and open libidos. They can steal a man away from you through offers of sex. He may hang around, but will be seeking other women out for sex even while he’s getting to know you. Very few males will be honest about this. Why? Because most follow this rule: If I’m not sleeping with you, we’re not in a relationship of any kind, so I can do what I want. Even if we’re growing emotionally close.

    I suspect you’ve discovered this in relationships you’ve had. You must see the signs. If you look carefully, the men you date must fall into some of these categories.

    BUT

    Not giving it up for a while is a good tactic to use. Just know what the consequences for this are, in this environment.

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  455. “Exactly! Another thing is that apparently once a woman has sex with one man, it means she has to have sex with all men who ask for it. If she doesn’t, then she’s an uppity egotistical princess who thinks she’s special (ie, not a skank).”

    Wait a minute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    There is a difference between having sex on the first date (slut) and having sex with guy after several dates and interactions (normal).

    Making a guy wait several months sounds like a form of torture.

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  456. The chemistry of mating works best when the temperaments of the people are compatible. For a high risk, high sex drive guy, bonding with someone who doesn’t want to help arrange threesomes or mate guards like crazy or freaks out if the man travels would just be a death by 1000 cuts, every day his strength growing weaker until with no joy left in his body every morning he wakes up with the pain of intense boredom.

    Now, give that same guy a slutty little bitch to call his very own, and he find love and excitement and happiness and something new to look forward to each day.

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  457. Gorb,

    You’re view is more nuanced than Captain O’s, but I think you underestimate the prevalence of men who are capable of not cheating on a girlfriend who isn’t sexing them yet, as long as the relationship is making progress in other areas. Progress is the key.

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  458. “Progress is the key.”

    Define progress. How is a guy supposed to know he is not having his time wasted and not being played as a chump. I swear, married men give the worst game advice.

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  459. Lily

    @anoukange
    Please could you post some more of your astrology stuff? Can you do the other star signs?

    While you’re at it why don’t you two trade recipes?

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  460. Lily–

    Agreed, I think a guy like the one I mentioned would make a great husband (and did to his first wife).

    And personally (and I have thought quite long and hard about this), I wouldn’t have an issue with the sort of dalliance I mentioned in his case. I would think a woman who married him then went berserk over this type of infidelity unreasonable.

    Color me impressed. You are a thinking outside our current Anglosphere box, smart girl. Your willingness to give this sort of limited sexual freedom, with the kinds of understandings a groundrules etc. you and I discussed will be very very attractive to a lot of alphas, who might be really attracted to you, but even though ready to settle down and mutually emotionally commit, hate the idea of permanently completely folding their player wings.

    Thing is, I think (you may disagree Doug) that he’s a rare type of person. I think he would deliberately keep any extra marital liaisons at a distance to avoid the risk of getting emotionally involved. But from what I see, a lot of of men aren’t like that. There are plenty who will get emotionally attached to a mistress or even just put so much effort into chasing other women that it is to the detriment of their main relationship whether they want to admit it or not.

    I don’t think the native ability of men to do this is so rare, no, but after you apply the various filters you want, alpha but with a strong loving, emotionally committing side, suitable SES, hot sparks with you and also deep compatibility, yeah then it whittles down to rare.

    As well it’s not exactly as if our culture trains men how to do this right, or offers up role models. French culture does though to a good extent. And others. So the man will have to have thought about this himself a lot, and absorbed some of this from other cultures or corners of our own. But just invented a lot himself, well with you.

    As for keeping any marital liaisons at a distance, yes he will need to do that. But alphas generally can. At a middle distance. Affection and caring for the other girl if it’s not just a slut pump and dump is likely, but he can’t let himself feel swept away. But then again an alpha with a loving and loved wife and family isn’t at all at all likely to be tempted. And in my version you’d have veto powers, including most definitely or especially after it’s being going on awhile. Wives can sense things. There must be communication.

    As well as his loving bond with you and his family that he doesn’t want to throw away, there’s this. He’s got one hela deal with you, not having to sneak around on you, on pain of divorce 2.0 if caught. Pretty unusual deal in a hot woman he loves. He’s gonna chuck out that too? Unh, no.

    The real dynamic for an alpha with another girl is that she’ll tend to fall in lust/love with him more than the reverse, far more. So that’s what he has to manage, in a caring way, but ultimately in a steely way. Not deceiving the other girl about him being ready to leave his wife, as so many cheating betas resort to (having basically mostly or only that as a sexual attractant), helps huge here, as does that it’s not behind your back either.

    I’m living this now. Not in a married relationship, but a strongly committed living together one (divorce 2.0 and my situation) with M, my N. Italian-American love. We’ve been having weekend summer place threesomes with a girl we picked up together on the summer island we go to on weekends.

    Throw in manipulative women that Nicole hinted at, the pressures all marriages go through, e.g. the birth of a baby is a vulnerable time and it can get into quite risky territory.

    I think it’s a lot less risky to be married to a loving, stable type alpha in this way, than to risk his cheating on you to your fury and sense of betrayal if/when discovered. Particularly at times such as after the birth of a baby if you temporarily go off sex, as many women do then.

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  461. Sniper, after explaining that she makes guys wait for sex to see if they only want her for her body, or are respectful enough to not be pushy about sex

    I broke off all of my relationships. People change and grow, etc. and I’m not naive enough to expect one person to be right for me for my entire life. I am still in close contact with all of them and they’re now some of my best friends.

    You bitch!

    Get off the fucking dating market.

    You obviously are not “ready” for sex. So stop being a ball busting tease.

    Cunt.

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  462. K,

    By “progress” I meant, as should have been apparent, that the relationship was becoming closer intellectually and emotionally.

    I understand this concept may not make sense to people who are not interested in long-term relationships, who regard women as primarily for fucking.

    Good luck to you, sir.

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  463. Rivelino – “Plus, wtf is up with a 37 year old woman marrying a 28 year old man. How does that happen, and why does that happen?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/13/fashion/weddings/13mcardle.html

    Peter, bro, what were you thinking? You are an editor at Reason magazine. I expected more from you.”

    And the worst part:

    “The bride, 37, will keep her name”

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  464. @Polymath,


    Gorb,

    You’re view is more nuanced than Captain O’s, but I think you underestimate the prevalence of men who are capable of not cheating on a girlfriend who isn’t sexing them yet, as long as the relationship is making progress in other areas. Progress is the key.

    I highly doubt Sniper has met very many of these rare men. She should consider.

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  465. xsplat,

    You have no idea whether Sniper broke off those relationships before sex, after sex, or some before and some after.

    If you are interested only in long-term relationships, you are going to have to be more ruthless about ending the ones that aren’t progressing as they should.

    Since Sniper has not stated that she believes in saving sex for marriage, my assumption would be that some of her relationships failed after they became sexual, others before. But that’s irrelevant to the points being made — really, unless she happens to be currently in a relationship, what else could she have said besides that they all ended? That by itself does not justify the names you called her.

    Those names may indeed be accurate, depending on how badly she behaved in those relationships, but I wouldn’t throw them around like that without more evidence.

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  466. biktopia–

    The most common transmission among heterosexuals in Hungary is a man having high risk sex with a prostitute, becomes infected and spread it to multiple woman or wife.

    Yeah, particularly if this high risk activity involved sores or his penis or lesions including by ramming anally into a prostitute without lubing her and going slow, or ramming into a dry prostitute vagina, all w/out a condom. “works” in Africa, works in Euro societies too, just done there a lot less.

    Sex w/prostitutes or real sluts w/out a condom, particularly prostitutes, is reckless, crazy and stupid.

    btw, finished w/exams? Bhetti finished her third year ones in London at the end of last week.

    So your Hungarian med school as a good number of foreign students then, Scandinavians, Israelis, etc? Budapest?

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  467. If some girl got me so emotionally invested in her that I stopped fucking around, that’s a BBBBIIIIIIGGGG sacrifice on my part.

    That’s my time. That’s my money. That’s my life satisfaction she’s asking for. Every minute of that arrangement is minute on my clock.

    Ok, for three dates, fair enough. For months?

    That’s time theft. That’s dating crime. That’s punishable by being called out as a cunt and low sex drive bitch.

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  468. “I understand this concept may not make sense to people who are not interested in long-term relationships, who regard women as primarily for fucking.”

    Then why are you on a game blog. Does Roissy seem like the kind of guy would would wait months to bang a 7 like Sniper. Also, not every girl who puts out within a few dates is a slut. Some of these girls are just horny/lonely. You shouldn’t be judging them with your socially conservative broad brush.

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  469. Polymath “You have no idea whether Sniper broke off those relationships before sex, after sex, or some before and some after.”

    I was under the assumption that she made guys wait several months for sex, during a romantic courtship phase, expected them to be monogamous while not sexing them, and then broke up.

    If my assumption was correct, my harsh words stand.

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  470. @Laura,

    If you’re going to tolerate an alpha’s dalliances, you need to maintain proper control of him. But this is indirect, as you likely know.
    – Make sure he respects you. Signs of disrespect can’t be tolerated. You have to be the Alpha Female; you need to keep him slightly in awe.
    – You must remain his primary focus. Make sure you keep his attention, and if he wanders, use recrimination only as a last resort. Don’t compete with an occasional mistress; but be fun and interesting.
    – You have to be the mother of his children and his joy when he gets home. On the other hand, he has to treat you as such: if he doesn’t, then he’s not handling the situation well.
    – Respect goes both ways, If you suspect he’s straying inconsequentially, let him. If it’s consequential (you’ll know), then you need to plan for (quiet) war.
    – There’s no reason not to keep him off-balance with your private life, as well. Men hate this, they want their harem loyal: when he confronts you, look at him slyly and ask him if he’s projecting. You need to be Alpha with an Alpha man in this situation, which means not exploding.
    – Test him occasionally. If he has plans and you expect him to be straying, gently make him cancel his plans. This illustrates his higher attentions to you.

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  471. Are you guys actually arguing about the verity of astrology? Awesome. For those of you who believe: google on “confirmation bias.” Also, the anoukange/astrology bits pertaining to me are laughably wrong.
    Finally, I was a professional physicist for 8 & 1/2 years, specializing, in fact, in dynamical systems and chaos, and the babble someone spouted about “chaos theory = astrology” is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen on this blog.

    The ahkult is for preying on the weak minded: nothing more.

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  472. @Tyrone
    @Gorbachev:

    My point on astrology is that everyone who “debunks” has no knowledge of how to use it or truly understands it.

    *EVERYONE* who debunks? Uh, no. Some skeptics have studied the Mystic Arts pretty intensely. And they dismantle it with gusto. You should see how tarot cards and faith healers get pwned.

    They are too keen to show themselves as rational that they never bother to learn the art in the first place. Critics of astrology always speak of it from a position of ignorance. It doesn’t really matter to me what you think or what anyone else thinks about it as long as I can practice the art freely. It works like a charm for me and everyone else who knows what they’re doing. I’ve never heard astrologers pick the wrong president for instance and I’ve followed that since Reagan. All of the major astologers also said that Obama would be elected but have a difficult presidency and encounter massive difficulties with the electorate. I could go on and on. I can predict my own future circumstances with a high degree of accuracy. This is why I believe in God. If the future can be known, then it is predetermined and that means someone planned it. Atheists tend to practice selective analysis of their environment to reinforce their prejudices too.

    I’d need to see evidence that any of these predictions have come true. And as for God, this is a poor reason to believe in God. Predestination doesn’t require an architect or actor. It doesn’t require a conscious planner

    There’s no selectivity for atheists: We believe in what evidence illustrates. Show me the evidence.

    Until then, it’s claptrap.

    USEFUL claptrap for banging chics. But claptrap, nonetheless.

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  473. on July 15, 2010 at 3:30 pm Vincent Ignatius

    A serious question for astrology believers.

    What makes western astrology superior to the other forms?

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  474. Gorb,
    I think if a woman is married to someone desirable to other women she is going to have to expect some infidelity. Only if he is much older and married later in life would I think he would be likely to be faithful. I think most women realize this. Plenty of women stay with cheating spouses and I very likely would depending on the situation. Lily had a good take on it in an above comment. If he was discreet about it that would definitely make it easier, I hopefully wouldn’t even find out. I don’t think infidelity is necessarily a reason to get divorced, however in this day and age when marriages do end quite frequently I think there would come a point where it just might make more sense to live apart and have your own life. I have respect for women who stay with unfaithful spouses, it shows a certain level of maturity. She might not have a lot of other options anyway.

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  475. Vincent-

    “Numerology is not mathematics.”

    –Astrology and numerology are two completely different things. Astrology is very mathematical and exacting. Will you please research it a bit before you make conclusions or statements? You’re confusing what it is about.

    also–

    “What makes western astrology superior to the other forms?”

    –Many think that Eastern astrology is superior.

    Sidewinder-

    yeah, right. You’re off my friend. I will meet Roissy in person, and he can asses me (hee, hee!) and solve this fucking retarded rating debate once and for all. 😉

    (this will also allow for confirmation on whether he does indeed have a 12″ cocka or not).

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  476. Lily-

    I did all twelve star signs for guys on here for fun. Please email me @ [email protected] and I’ll send you anything you want to know about cutie!

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  477. Tyrone-

    “Critics of astrology always speak of it from a position of ignorance. ”

    –too true!

    Thursday-

    “As for Kundera’s Unbearable Lightness of Being, the only work of his I’ve read, there are some thin spots to the novel, but the good parts are very good. And relevant to the topic at hand.”

    –amazing book, in my top twenty. You should check out his “Identity” and “The Book of Laughter and Forgetting”. Also a great book for men (no sarcasm here) is “The Reader” by Bernhard Schlink. It’s about a guy who gets so burned by a woman that he becomes hard and cold. huh. Imagine that.

    oh- and Vincent-

    “I still got the notch.”

    -dirty boy! ;0

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  478. J

    Thanks for saying this. Sometimes I think a woman just can’t win here. If she jumps into bed, she’s a pump and pump. If she doesn’t she’s shit-testing! It’s in a woman’s healthy self-interest to take her time. And, unfortunately these days, some women need a few pumps and dumps to learn that. That doesn’t make them hypergamous sluts, it just shows a lack of experience and understanding that a carousel ride is only a carousel ride.

    Having sex early in the relationship does not equate to jumping on a carousel ride.

    Most of my relationships have started with first night sex. This is common for many men and women. I’ve even moved girls into my house on the first date – several times.

    People can know very quickly how well they hit it off.

    It isn’t an on off switch of slut fucking around or good girl who waits until sex before marriage. That’s a false dichotomy that most men don’t subscribe to – madona whore bullshit not withstanding. Most men would not even begin to consider getting emotionally attached to a woman until they’ve had sex with her. Sex is part of the dating process – part of getting to know each other.

    Getting bonded before sex is like buying a car without taking it out for a test drive. Sure, if handling means nothing at all to you, go ahead.

    For me, sexual chemistry is 80% of the value of the relationship.

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  479. Laura,

    If she was giving him plenty of sex, and he had promised to be faithful, expecting faithfulness would not be unreasonable. Promises of sexual fidelity are like other promises — sometimes hard to keep, but serious and keepable.

    It’s often the breaking of the promise, not the sex, that is what can seriously damage a relationship.

    It is of course much easier to stay faithful to a spouse who has stayed both attractive, and attracted to you. But given good efforts in that department, explicit promises matter.

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  480. on July 15, 2010 at 4:35 pm Vincent Ignatius

    anouk-

    Look up the definitions of numerology and mathematics. Numerology is exactly what astrology is. Once the meaning of each number/sign/house has been determined, the rules can be as exacting as any rules in science, but it doesn’t change the fact that it is numerology.

    What happens when Western and Eastern astrology contradict each other?

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  481. P

    It’s often the breaking of the promise, not the sex, that is what can seriously damage a relationship.

    Which is why it’s good to be honest with yourself about your personal drives, good to be experienced enough to know these will change over time, and good to from the outset and every day drive home the fact that you refuse monogamy.

    Anything else is just setting yourself up for either a massive fall or a massive compromise.

    Unless you truly don’t want to have extra marital sex. Not want, as in not want.

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  482. on July 15, 2010 at 5:00 pm gunslingergregi

    http://www.newsweek.com/2010/07/10/the-creativity-crisis.html

    Creativity going down in us what a surprize when people are expected to think and talk pc crap all the time to keep jobs.

    The other positive to the roissy blog it helps people develop their creativity. Or it can. But yea feminist blog probably not so much. I mean hate men empower woman delete anything that disagrees.

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  483. @Gorb

    They can steal a man away from you through offers of sex. He may hang around, but will be seeking other women out for sex even while he’s getting to know you.

    That’s kind of the point of the test, is it not? If he strays, he’s out the door. BUT this has never, ever happened to me in any way. I’ve always been super close, intimate and trusting with my bfs and they have with me.

    If I’m not sleeping with you, we’re not in a relationship of any kind, so I can do what I want. Even if we’re growing emotionally close. I suspect you’ve discovered this in relationships you’ve had.

    This is sad and I feel bad for you and the men who feel this way. No, I have never “discovered” this in any relationship. There is no specific action that makes us be or not be in a relationship. It’s a mutual feeling of deep attachment and adoration.

    Whatever, my “tactic” has faithfully worked, without fail, ever since I started dating. I think all of my bfs were very physically attractive and could easily have gotten sex if that’s what they wanted. No one has ever left me, or cheated on me, or resented me. You just need to have standards and go with your gut.

    @xsplat

    Lol, I’m not “ready” or “unready” for sex in a general sense, and I’m not frigid at all. It just depends on the circumstances, including the person. I don’t understand this attitude men have that if you sex one, you have to sex them all, and if you reject one man, it means you never ever want sex.

    I don’t owe anyone anything and “time investment” is not a guaranteed exchange for sex. It’s not a savings deposit growing fat in the bank- it’s like a plant that you have to carefully tend to and be patient with. ^_^

    Your impatient attitude is probably why you’ll likely never have a fulfilling healthy relationship with an intelligent woman you really share a connection with. 😦

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  484. on July 15, 2010 at 5:07 pm gunslingergregi

    Right xsplat know thyself and you can’t do that if you make a promise early in life that is imposible for you to understand exactly what you are promising because you don’t have the experience.

    Which would be ok if there was not a life sentance of punishment imposed for failure.

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  485. Lol, I’m not “ready” or “unready” for sex in a general sense, and I’m not frigid at all. It just depends on the circumstances, including the person. I don’t understand this attitude men have that if you sex one, you have to sex them all, and if you reject one man, it means you never ever want sex.

    I don’t owe anyone anything and “time investment” is not a guaranteed exchange for sex. It’s not a savings deposit growing fat in the bank- it’s like a plant that you have to carefully tend to and be patient with. ^_^

    Your impatient attitude is probably why you’ll likely never have a fulfilling healthy relationship with an intelligent woman you really share a connection with. 😦

    First off, let me just say: bitch.

    Secondly, selfish bitch.

    Every minute a man is not having sex or recovering from sex, he is in pain.

    You are a ballbusting time sucking bitch, who thinks that a man can have “emotional fulfillment”.

    Which leads me to my third point. Bitch.

    And regarding your comment about me being too impatient to have meaningfull relationships, see point one through three.

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  486. And I’m not arguing with you that you should be a virgin if you want to make a man hold out. I don’t care if you are a virgin or not.

    I’m arguing that making a man live a sexless life is time theft. A crime. An injustice.

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  487. polymath–

    If she was giving him plenty of sex, and he had promised to be faithful, expecting faithfulness would not be unreasonable. Promises of sexual fidelity are like other promises — sometimes hard to keep, but serious and keepable.

    Successful and attractive men in the Christian west as well as elsewhere around the world in advanced civilization did not traditionally make that promise in marriage. Not really. Women did, except for in some aristo arranged marriages in which the wife brought a great deal of her own property and status into the marriage.

    French and Latin men still don’t, not really. Nor E. Europeans.

    Nor did many successful and attractive men in America and Britain until first wave feminism really started catching hold, at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th centuries.

    I fully embrace the double standard on this, at least with alpha men, and may higher betas that have some alpha in them and a lot of success.

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  488. Polymath–

    But some sort of understanding with one’s wife before hand is the way for alphas to go, definitely. That addresses the trust and betrayal problem.

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  489. Hey Doug.
    Well ehum yes, this was a way to put it, but yes you are right.
    I finished my exams but have something completely different to go trough so not completely summer yet, anyway, congrats to Betty!
    “So your Hungarian med school as a good number of foreign students then, Scandinavians, Israelis, etc? Budapest?”
    Israel, Scandinavian, Persian, Ireland, Palestine, Pakistan, US, Nigéria, Kenya and many more. I find it a bit difficult to comprehend to the thread Patriotic independence.., my experience is different. My classmates are good people, I couldnt tell any ethnicity beeing smarter then the other here in my school.

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  490. Doug1, do you know how to read?

    Wilt thou have this
    Woman to thy wedded wife, to live together after God’s ordinance in
    the holy estate of Matrimony? Wilt thou love her, comfort her, honour,
    and keep her in sickness and in health; and, forsaking all others,
    keep thee only unto her, so long as ye both shall live?

    Some variation of that is what Christian English-speaking men have been saying for centuries. What part of “forsaking all others” don’t you understand?

    Now maybe many men didn’t really mean these vows when they said them; but they said them, before a God they professsed to believe in, and their wives were right there listening. The language with respect to fidelity is exactly the same for both the man’s and the woman’s vows.

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  491. Doug1,

    But some sort of understanding with one’s wife before hand is the way for alphas to go, definitely. That addresses the trust and betrayal problem.

    Would you care to share with us the words you used to raise this topic and achieve this understanding with your own wife, and say whether it was before or after your wedding ceremony?

    I’d be especially interested to see at where in this discussion you made the point that this was appropriate because you were an alpha.

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  492. Poly, you may be right – I wouldn’t be surprised – but I’m not sure why you are sure that “forsaking all others” equates to monogamy. If my wife allows me to fuck the slave girl, I’ve not forsaken my wife.

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  493. Sniper, I accuse you of having a criminally negligent ignorance of the nature of male sexuality.

    That you can’t empathize with a man’s high sex drive is understandable. That you so little respect it as to treat it in such a dismissive fashion is criminal.

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  494. Xsplat-

    “For me, sexual chemistry is 80% of the value of the relationship.”

    –agreed! amen.

    Vincent-

    In definitions of numerology/astrology, yes, but “life path” numbers, etc. are all bullshit.

    Also,
    “Western astrology is interpreted from the constellations. These constellations were derived from ancient Roman or Hellenistic astrology. A person is designated with traits at birth by the alignment of the stars, time, date and place. Rising (ascendant) signs are important as well. This detailed analysis is called a natal chart, and depending on the specifics of the location of planets and stars will determine the personality, fate, affinities and compatibilities of the individual. In eastern astrology, the approach is to provide the best possible environment for luck, prosperity and good health. Eastern astrology considers the force of chi and the steps needed to assure it flows abundantly.

    The eastern astrology does not place such an emphasis on predetermined traits at birth, although they do stress certain characteristics by what animal an individual is born under. In eastern astrology, the individual is responsible to understand their basic nature, apply the philosophies (yin-yang) of chi, then use that knowledge to create the best possible year under the rule of the animal representing that year. They also consider Feng shui’s influence of an individual by associating their animal year with a special lucky number called Kua. Use of this number determines the best possible direction an individual must follow to allow the most abundance and harmony to circulate.

    A trend in using eastern and western astrology as a tool for guidance is to blend the two philosophies for an individual into one comprehensive report. Instead of following east or west, it is now common to take into consideration both schools of thought that list the Chinese animal, element, and then add the influences of the zodiac (natal chart). The analysis will give an in-depth overview and detailed prediction for the coming year. The result is a blend of east meets west. ” –divine answers.com

    You may want to check out (and buy) “The New Astrology” by Suzanne White and “Planet and Transits” by Robert Hand. White’s book is in paragraph form and is very readable, Hand’s book is all math. Your brain should handle Hand’s book well, it is very technical.

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  495. Doug —

    I was out with some Emirati friends.

    Unmarried Emirati female lawyer said ‘I’m not marrying an Emirati guy. They’re classless, cheating jerks. He could be with the hottest woman and he’d still play around on her.’

    Biktopia —

    Thanks. Israelis and Palestinians, eh? That must lead to some fun.

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  496. on July 15, 2010 at 5:44 pm namae nanka

    “I find it a bit difficult to comprehend to the thread Patriotic independence.., my experience is different. My classmates are good people, I couldnt tell any ethnicity beeing smarter then the other here in my school.”

    Individuals rarely come across bad, mobs and groups not so much.
    As for smartness, I think the students were selected on their basis of smartness if no AA was involves, so they would be on a level field IQ wise. But they will not be the respresentatives of the averages and medians of their respective ethnicities.

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  497. xsplat, we get it. Sniper is the exact opposite of the personality type of woman that you like. Given your remarks a few weeks ago about how you liked her style and look, I can see how this discovery disappoints and bothers you.

    But you are not the model for all men, and the kind of relationship that makes you happy is not for everybody. Why do you get so angry whenever someone suggests that what is right for you is not right for everyone?

    I think Sniper might find herself in different arrangements in the future, but since she claims to be on good terms with her ex-boyfriends, I wouldn’t call her the names you do. (Of course she could be lying or deluding herself about what her ex-boyfriends think of her, but unlike you, I don’t find her story impossible to believe.)

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  498. on July 15, 2010 at 5:49 pm namae nanka

    fwiw the few astrologers that I have had the displeasure of meeting, come across as quite accurate by how they describe my traits.
    What happens next, coupled with the enthusiasm of people hanging on to their each word, however, puts me off the process as people are more willing to forgive some mistakes that the astrologers make for the few generalisations that they get right.

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  499. on July 15, 2010 at 5:52 pm gunslingergregi

    Polymath if you read through the archives you can see how this topic came about.

    Everyone was basically on the page of you have to lie to woman to have other woman and you must constantly tread on eggshells around woman if you are cheating.

    I am the one that was like if you are a man you don’t need to lie at all. You can tell woman the truth at all times and let the chips fall where they may.

    You take that bullshit I won’t fuck other woman out of the promise. Then you fucking don’t have to be a lieing bitch. You retain your balls. Plus it allows you to still be an man who has a soul devoid of shame. Which helps you because then you will not overcompensate in your relationship with the woman you are supposed to love because of shame of “cheating” on her and sneaking around. You can also still call yourself an honest man. Plus you won’t have to lie to yourself about any other thing because you can remain congruent. If you lie you lack congruency.

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  500. Anouk

    I will start to begin to consider taking astrology with the merest hint of seriousness when an Astrologist can take information from a person and then say when and where they were born.
    If this were any kind of science – one that had real uses – this should be easy for them to do.
    Of course, they never even try to do this and in fact pretend the whole notion is unthinkable or at taboo.
    And no, it does not count when they say out loud their gueses to guage your reactions and keep guessing until they sense a right guess..

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  501. xsplat,

    Poly, you may be right – I wouldn’t be surprised – but I’m not sure why you are sure that “forsaking all others” equates to monogamy. If my wife allows me to fuck the slave girl, I’ve not forsaken my wife.

    Well of course, if she allows you. But we’re talking about a situation where she is not OK with the idea. You may regard me as foolish for having made such a promise; but I don’t like to break promises if I can keep them without hurting anyone.

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  502. Polymath

    But you are not the model for all men, and the kind of relationship that makes you happy is not for everybody. Why do you get so angry whenever someone suggests that what is right for you is not right for everyone?

    I think I’ve already answered this, Poly. Given the assumptions I stated, I believe she deserves reprimand.

    I’m not saying she can’t find a suitably tempered mate. I’m saying that enforcing monogamy BOTH while not having sex nor reasonably putting forth realistic plans for sex, such as by being engaged to be married, is a crime against a man.

    Don’t you agree with that? If not, why not?

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  503. @Sidewinder

    “Rebellious Vanilla – you are the girl in the picture like I am George Clooney. I speculate that you are a male, eastern european with white separatist/neo-nazi tendencies. ”

    You aren’t alone in your speculations.

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  504. I don’t regard you as foolish for wanting to keep a promise, Poly. I’m suggesting that such a promise is not inherent to traditional marriage vows. It’s something you took onto yourself.

    It might suit you fine.

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  505. Sniper —

    Amidst all the different messages given to you over various different comments that I’ve seen over time, somewhat diluted with their angry tones, there is one glaringly important one for you personally and that you seem to need to understand from the various things you’ve said over time.

    Only be with a man you’re significantly and firmly sexually attracted to, as well as care for.

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  506. gunny,

    Of course it is better not to lie, but that’s irrelevant — whether or not you lie about the affair, you are breaking the earlier promise you made.

    And of course you don’t have to have made such a promise, but there will be some women who won’t stay with you and have kids with you unless you make such a promise, and if you value one of those women enough, you may think it a good deal overall.

    The other point is that simple desire for another woman is not enough of a reason to justify breaking promise as serious as a marriage vow. There might be other reasons that would give more justification (your wife won’t have sex with you, or she cheated, or she doesn’t mind because she likes to watch, etc.) but just wanting the other woman is not enough, if you have a quality known as personal integrity.

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  507. xsplat,

    I’m suggesting that such a promise is not inherent to traditional marriage vows.

    See my reply to Doug1 at 5:24.

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  508. Polymath,
    I really respect that you feel that way. My husband isn’t running around on me either and I’m grateful for that. I was referring more to a certain type of guy or someone who is highly desirable to women. I think some men really find it very hard to be faithful.

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  509. @Sniper

    “Another thing is that apparently once a woman has sex with one man, it means she has to have sex with all men who ask for it. If she doesn’t, then she’s an uppity egotistical princess who thinks she’s special (ie, not a skank).”

    Yes, I recall that from my dating days back in the Pleistocene. Tell me, do they still call you a stuck-up whore after you say no? I never understood the logic of that.

    Ah, sweet memories….

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  510. Poly

    And of course you don’t have to have made such a promise, but there will be some women who won’t stay with you and have kids with you unless you make such a promise, and if you value one of those women enough, you may think it a good deal overall.

    This knowledge is difficult to suss out. It’s temperamentally more important to some women than others, and changes over the course of the relationship, but one commonality among women is that they will fight like hell before agreeing to non-monogamy. Just having her give all signs that she will break with you if you don’t commit, doesn’t mean she actually will.

    The ultimate shit test is the demand for security. Sometimes it’s a bluff, sometimes it’s not. A man can’t always tell.

    I do agree with you, that monogamy can be a fair and workable compromise for a lot of men. We both agree that it needn’t be a default compromise, even for a healthy committed lifelong relationship geared around family.

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  511. “Israelis and Palestinians, eh? That must lead to some fun.”

    They get/got on pretty well, I think the worst conflict i saw in my school happened just a few weeks ago with the flotillia and the so called peace activists onboard it, before that there was a tension that everyone politely ignored, but this caused a emotional and turbid discussion.

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  512. Rum-

    What you require is impossible. Like any system, once one has studied it and integrated it into real life examples of how it can be applied, it begins to make a lot more sense. Patterns can be predicted, not specifics. General themes, movements, etc. It is similar in how the Farmer’s Almanac works. It collects hundreds of years worth of data and extracts the patters and analyzes them. I don’t hold it to value as highly the natural sciences, although some do. To me it is more of a social science, like psychology, hence the reason it can be interpreted in varying ways.

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  513. Yes, Poly, your comment at 5:24 was what I was directly responding to. I even quoted from it. I’m suggesting that you may be misreading the interpretation of the words to assume fidelity, and that fidelity may actually not be any part of the intention of those words.

    I don’t think “not forsaking” is a synonym for “don’t insert penis into other women’s vaginas”.

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  514. xsplat,

    I’m saying that enforcing monogamy BOTH while not having sex nor reasonably putting forth realistic plans for sex, such as by being engaged to be married, is a crime against a man.

    Don’t you agree with that? If not, why not?

    I do agree with that, I just don’t see any evidence that Sniper is guilty of that. You have no basis for assuming that she has not had sex with some of her boyfriends; nor, even if she had not, do you have any basis for assuming that the length of time it took her decide that she was going to break up with any of her boyfriends was excessive in the context of their relationship. The point of taking a long time to get to know someone intimately is that you MIGHT have a chance to discover that you would not be compatible long-term after all.

    Here’s a really simple way to isolate the difference in attitude. Suppose Sniper and her boyfriend go out for 4 months; then they decide mutually that they are incompatible and should break up and pursue other relationships instead. If they had sex during that time, is it reasonable to regret, in hindsight, having done so? Most men would say no; many girls would say yes. And the girls would have a point because their next man would probably also regret it if they had had sex with the previous guy.

    There are plenty of men whose sex drive is so strong compared to their willingness to delay gratification that they would not be appropriate boyfriends for Sniper; but she’s not crazy for thinking she can find someone who wants what she wants.

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  515. polymath–

    First of all, piss off.

    Would you care to share with us the words you used to raise this topic and achieve this understanding with your own wife

    No, I don’t feel moved to reiterate it for you.

    I’ve talked about this a good bit with Lily on this thread.

    I’ve talked about it far more a few months ago. Google site search the archives if you wish.

    In closing, piss off.

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  516. Laura,

    I was referring more to a certain type of guy or someone who is highly desirable to women. I think some men really find it very hard to be faithful.

    Ahem.

    Did I say it wasn’t hard?

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  517. Nuther words, Poly, I don’t think it’s fair to assume that marriage is a commitment to monogamy.

    I believe that if you made that commitment, it was not implied in your marriage vows. That’s a deal between you and your wife.

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  518. Doug1,

    FIne, I will search the archives, I don’t want to inconvenience you. But I think it was a fair question.

    xsplat,

    Your interpretation of the traditional vows (which Doug1 may share, I’m not sure) is not what they have generally been understood to mean, because they use the same language for both men and women regarding fidelity. If you can cite a source for this interpretation (from an English-speaking country referring to the vows in English) from any time before 1950, I would be very interested.

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  519. @Exsplat at 4:21

    We live our lives very differently, what can I say?

    As to the Madonna/Whore complex, I see a lot of it in the response’s on this blog. If you don’t have one, congratulations! You are a rare bird indeed!

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  520. Yes, Poly, as I said, my comments were based on my assumptions. If my assumptions were wrong, then my comments may need amending.

    I’ve come across a girl who would habitually date without fucking. She traveled with one guy for a few months, telling him she’d only fuck after marriage. So he proposed. And she told him she was not ready to marry.

    Bitch!

    That is criminal behavior.

    I may be wrong, but I suspect similar behavior has been described by Sniper about her attitudes and relations.

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  521. xsplat,

    Nuther words, Poly, I don’t think it’s fair to assume that marriage is a commitment to monogamy.

    I believe that if you made that commitment, it was not implied in your marriage vows. That’s a deal between you and your wife.

    My wife and I discussed the language of our vows before hand, and what we thought they meant. The priest would never have agreed to marry us if we had not obviously achieved a common understanding of what we were promising, because such a marriage would be canonically invalid.

    I think the number of marriages where the wife thinks the man is promising to not fuck other women at the time he makes his vows, and the man does not think he is promising that at the time, is not very large. Maybe you disagree; I’m open to being convinced otherwise, if you can find research.

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  522. Polymath —

    They’re drawing a distinction between what is actually socially, traditionally, implicitly or explicitly agreed with a wife by the act of marriage in the context of their social conditions and actual relationship as opposed to a ceremony that everyone has to go through for the sake of social appearances and tradition, irrespective of actual level of religious belief.

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  523. Poly, I have no source, I’m just pulling stuff out of my ass. I agree that in modern times monogamy is assumed, so actually it’s fair to say fidelity was implied. I have no cause to believe that the modern interpretation is a reflection of the original intent of the words, and don’t see that the words imply the modern interpretation. I don’t think the vows itself SAY what we now assume they say.

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  524. Poly – do you know anywhere where sexual fidelity for the male is required in the Bible or any other ancient legal authority regarding marriage?

    Sexual fidelity, specifically.

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  525. re: Sniper–

    I’ve only read some of her posts and those engaging/attacking her on this thread and recently. But from what I’ve gathered, I don’t see how she’s doing anything wrong at all.

    She’s pursuing a good girl, rather than a slutty for awhile or quasi good girl, approach. By far most guys here have said the want a girl that’s gone that way before them for wife material. She’s not good PUA target or practice material. She doesn’t want to be. So, ya know, move on PUA wannabes.

    She’s not taking an absolute virginity until marriage stance, but she is taking a very good girl one. I.e. she wants to only have sex when she feels sure that the guy she’s attracted to who is pursuing her is willing to enter into a committed LTR. You know like a good girl. If she sticks to this and doesn’t wait too long to get LTR forevaeva’d / married, will mean her partner count is low – for a non super religious virgin in today’s urban America.

    Now I don’t think she’s always expressed herself or perhaps thought so clearly about all this. Sometimes she seems to have a pretty mechanical approach, almost rules like, and yeah gets defensively snaky around here. She wants his willingness to commit to be demoed in every case by a long long period of no real sex dating, which seems a bit mechanical and rules based to some. Other ways to tell, which yeah will involve at least a good bit of time, but hey, her rules.

    Not the really wise sort of early 20s good girl that Bhetti is, but hey.

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  526. @Laura
    @Polymath
    Polymath,
    I really respect that you feel that way. My husband isn’t running around on me either and I’m grateful for that. I was referring more to a certain type of guy or someone who is highly desirable to women. I think some men really find it very hard to be faithful.

    Okay, there are lots of men that will be faithful. The majority do it for lack of (sufficiently convenient/easy/desirable) opportunity.

    From my experience: Nice guys may not play around as much. But they do.
    Females: The sweetest and nicest ones often cheat the hardest in the end, and usually leave.

    There are rare men who don’t cheat, or who will stick around with a woman without sleeping with her for a long time (6 months seems to stretch it). These are rarely alphas.

    In the meantime, such men will be good at hiding other interests.

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  527. @J
    @Sidewinder

    “Rebellious Vanilla – you are the girl in the picture like I am George Clooney. I speculate that you are a male, eastern european with white separatist/neo-nazi tendencies. ”

    You aren’t alone in your speculations.

    Remember, though – Romanians, in particular, are by and large the most xenophobic and have the deepest superiority complexes of all Europeans, by and large. Ceaucescu and the Romanian Communist regime encouraged this in the extreme. So her ethnicity may account for much of her demeanor.

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  528. Xsplat,
    I generally believe the wedding vow of fidelity applied to both the man and woman.

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  529. on July 15, 2010 at 6:47 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””’polymath
    gunny,

    Of course it is better not to lie, but that’s irrelevant — whether or not you lie about the affair, you are breaking the earlier promise you made.

    And of course you don’t have to have made such a promise, but there will be some women who won’t stay with you and have kids with you unless you make such a promise, and if you value one of those women enough, you may think it a good deal overall.

    The other point is that simple desire for another woman is not enough of a reason to justify breaking promise as serious as a marriage vow. There might be other reasons that would give more justification (your wife won’t have sex with you, or she cheated, or she doesn’t mind because she likes to watch, etc.) but just wanting the other woman is not enough, if you have a quality known as personal integrity.

    ””””

    Well yea my first marriage I didn’t cheat. It was the best pussy I had ever had. We were doing it up to 7 times a day. Now 3 years later she was not living up to one of my conditions for the marriage and I was feeling like fucking other woman. So I told her to get out I was not going to work my whole life to end up with nothing. Didn’t end up leaving her because thought about failing at marriage sucks convinced by family to take her back. 5 years in when I had nothing she left and before she left she cheated on me. Learned from that. Second marriage was not gonna repeat mistake. Was going to insure the conditions I required happened before marriage and let marriage be her reward for being a good woman. But yea I didn’t promise to not fuck other woman. I tell her everything since I consider her my teamate in life.

    If you are having some shit going on you may want to talk to your wife about it since you plan on spending your life with her. I would not suggest cheating under table.

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  530. @Sniper
    @Gorb

    They can steal a man away from you through offers of sex. He may hang around, but will be seeking other women out for sex even while he’s getting to know you.

    That’s kind of the point of the test, is it not? If he strays, he’s out the door. BUT this has never, ever happened to me in any way. I’ve always been super close, intimate and trusting with my bfs and they have with me.

    He may not come clean about it. This is more than possible. Especially if he’s attractive and has options. And men (as well as women) can be very good at dissimulating. Trust me.
    (heh).

    If I’m not sleeping with you, we’re not in a relationship of any kind, so I can do what I want. Even if we’re growing emotionally close. I suspect you’ve discovered this in relationships you’ve had.

    This is sad and I feel bad for you and the men who feel this way. No, I have never “discovered” this in any relationship. There is no specific action that makes us be or not be in a relationship. It’s a mutual feeling of deep attachment and adoration.

    You can have this, and have a relationship, and I’ve had this many times – but I’ve also had it, um, multiple times at the same time. There was a time when I wasn’t so honest about scattered attentions, as I wasn’t confident enough.

    Whatever, my “tactic” has faithfully worked, without fail, ever since I started dating. I think all of my bfs were very physically attractive and could easily have gotten sex if that’s what they wanted. No one has ever left me, or cheated on me, or resented me. You just need to have standards and go with your gut.

    The men may not be *as* attached to you as you think.

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  531. Gorb

    Females: The sweetest and nicest ones often cheat the hardest in the end, and usually leave.

    I wonder if you or I will ever stumble across a combination of words that will have the magical potency to be able to be cognized and internalized by those that haven’t learned this themselves?

    The men who don’t already know this seem unable to know it.

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  532. Doug

    Not the really wise sort of early 20s good girl that Bhetti is, but hey.

    Not so wise (or any coherent thought) or good girl (or any self-control whatsoever) with you, I feel compelled to honestly and transparently declare.

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  533. on July 15, 2010 at 6:55 pm namae nanka

    ““Rebellious Vanilla – you are the girl in the picture like I am George Clooney. I speculate that you are a male, eastern european with white separatist/neo-nazi tendencies. ”

    You aren’t alone in your speculations.”

    naah, she’s just other-worldly.

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  534. Laura

    Xsplat,
    I generally believe the wedding vow of fidelity applied to both the man and woman.

    Isn’t there some bible story about the father getting wasted on wine and fucking his daughter?

    Can anyone give me one example of where sexual fidelity is explicitly mentioned as a male responsibility for marriage?

    Not a vague euphemism which could be interpreted to mean “take care of her”, but actual “won’t fuck other girls”.

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  535. on July 15, 2010 at 6:58 pm gunslingergregi

    Yea poly bro,

    Dude

    A man is a fucking man.

    A man and a woman can actually come up with their own lifetime promises to each other and their own list of conditions of getting married and what those conditions are. The fewer the conditions the better I would think. This can be done. This is called freedom. This is what any man or woman can do.

    the gov church and fems and everyone else is not the only one who can do this.

    Freedom it takes a lot to throw off the yolk of someone else always giving you the rules.
    Creativity through experience.

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  536. Here’s a paradox for you, my dear food:

    To be above your animal impulses and needs, indeed your animal nature, you need to first be wholly aware of it. All this talk about rising above your animal ancestors is useless if you don’t learn to fulfill those needs.

    The food talking about being more than animals is just so amusing for me. It follows its instincts all the way into my maw while yapping about transcendence while following its basest instincts. It is impossible for it to know what impulses are being fulfilled if it doesn’t know what impulses it has!

    It’s there, the kernel of awareness crying for the next step that will rise it in the evolutionary ladder, and it gets stomped every time by the ignorance derived from the lack of capacity of its minuscule brain.

    It’s both sad and fascinating for an observer like me. I just can’t help watching, my primal impulse for discovery – the basis of my extremely well honed hunting skills – gets a thrill only something so contradictorily unexpected can give it.

    Complete self indulgence – and I am fully aware of it. When will the food be able to say the same?

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  537. xsplat,

    The Old Testament did not usually have a problem with married men having concubines, but by the time of Christ the Jewish tradition had changed and male fidelity was considered the ideal. In the New Testament, Jesus made it extremely clear that marriage was supposed to be exclusive both ways.

    Bhetti,

    I understand the distinction you say they are making, but I reject the notion that the vows taken were normally or traditionally meant insincerely as mere forms of words rather than binding promises. They may sometimes have been meant insincerely as mere forms of words rather than binding promises, but not for most couples, at most times.

    Doug1,

    We seem to be in agreement about Sniper.

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  538. on July 15, 2010 at 7:10 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””’I think the number of marriages where the wife thinks the man is promising to not fuck other women at the time he makes his vows, and the man does not think he is promising that at the time, is not very large. Maybe you disagree; I’m open to being convinced otherwise, if you can find research.”””

    When she marries an actual man polymath and before getting married that is a condition of marriage that they talk about and if she didn’t accept that then they would not get married.

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  539. Thursday

    Only experience, and that includes experience with truly good girls too, will help you tell the difference.

    This merely means you have yet to have experience with a truly good girl learning new tricks.

    They do that, you know.

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  540. I’ll defer to your authority on biblical matters, Poly, as I’ve never been even remotely inspired by a single page of the bible, and so have read none of it. When you say that Christ put forth monogomy as the ideal, in what sense is that meant? I understand he put forth lifetime chastity as the ideal, but failing that, marriage. So, between man and a wife, is there another “failing that” clause?

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  541. @xsplat
    “Gorb
    Females: The sweetest and nicest ones often cheat the hardest in the end, and usually leave.”

    I wonder if you or I will ever stumble across a combination of words that will have the magical potency to be able to be cognized and internalized by those that haven’t learned this themselves?

    The men who don’t already know this seem unable to know it.

    It’s always a shock, and it’s always chocked up to some unique thing. The proximate factor is usually some unique thing, for sure. But the truth is:

    Males like to sleep around, and their restraint is remarkable and not standard; females like to get the right male attention, and this attention is not necessarily (or frequently) from the same male over time. This is all independent of normal cycles and actual individual relationships.

    If the man cheats with several women at the same time, the woman does something similar but rarely judged in the same manner: She gets attached, then sticks with man for a while, and then cheats through time: her words rarely match her actions. She leaves the relationship most easily. That’s her form of cheating.

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  542. Xsplat
    “I’ve never been even remotely inspired by a single page of the bible”

    That made me laugh.

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  543. I doubt you have had experience with any truly good girl period.

    Me too.

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  544. xsplat,

    No, Jesus put forward monogamous marriage as the ideal, in Matthew chapter 19, although he said that some people were suited for celibacy without saying that celibacy was best. And Jesus regarded a man who divorces a wife who had not been unfaithful herself, and taking another woman, as committing adultery against the wife. In other words, the divorce was invalid if the wife had not herself been unfaithful, and in a marriage, the man taking another woman was adultery against his own wife.

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  545. Polymath, does taking another woman include casual sex? Or taking her as a 2nd wife or concubine only?

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  546. From the 1st century the church always interpreted that to mean no sex, casual or long-term, with people other than your one and only spouse.

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  547. Well, I appreciate the value of principles, Poly. I have a few myself, and I value them.

    I’m glad that they are allowed to be flexible over time. I have very different view on some major notions than I did as a younger man. Fidelity is one of them. If I had made a promise to fidelity, but my views changed over time, I’d be forced to break my promise.

    At least, I would nowadays. As I no longer have the principle that promises should be kept.

    My only principle is to be honest.

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  548. And more important than being honest – not being boring.

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  549. The discussion about palm reading and Astrology and whatnot throws me back to something I did a few years ago, back when I had concluded women just didn’t like me and had reverted to apathy towards the other gender as my modus operandi.

    You see, I write Science Fiction – more for fun than profit, but I’m working on the latter. One of the things I’ve had for a long time, besides my curiosity for Science, is an ability to dress up the truth and make it palatable, treading carefully over willing suspension of disbelief. Take what’s known, see how the hypotheses follow, and make a coat of plausibility to wrap the implausible with. If sweet enough, the impossible will be palatable enough to be swallowed with it.

    This happened at a friend’s place during a BBQ, Saturday afternoon (not your typical pickup place, I’d say, though for a seasoned practitioner of Game I suppose there is no such beast). The prop was a guy complaining to two reasonably hot girls that Astrology was bullshit, over an open newspaper showing the Horoscope of the day. Me, being the rational Scientist I was assumed to be, was recruited as help by the guy, to plead his case in an appeal to authority of sorts.

    Since I was in a good mood, I decided to give the good ol’ rationalization a spin. I was winging it, of course, but I started from astronomy and gravity, made a reference to chaos theory (carefully, as I was not too familiar with it) and passed through the unsolved 3-bodies problem. Had to explain what an acceptable approximation is – Newtonian physics vs. quantum physics -, threw in Ley lines for the hell of it (I had just heard about them superficially due to a videogame) and connected them to convection, as seen in the mantle under Earth’s crust, which explains the differences between volcanoes (this was in Iceland, by the way, so it was a propos). And did you know that Earth’s magnetic field is unusually strong? And I mean really, small gas-giant sized in fact, very unusual.

    The guy and one of the chicks had left already, leaving only one girl. By the end of my tirade she had this really weird, wide-eyed look on her face, and after prodding her a couple of times and getting barely any response, I ejected and moved on. I still don’t know if I gave her hamster a heart attack as she tried to follow, creeped the hell out of her, or made her reach the conclusion that I was probably really, really weird and best handled with care or not at all.

    Or maybe it was a gina tingle, though I think it unlikely.

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  550. RMM, if you enjoy spinning spontaneous tales, there are girls who enjoy that kind of thing. If the tales are engaging, it’s a seductive process. I used to enjoy giving regular bed time stories. Nobody knew where they would start, or end, and we all learned something in the process.

    Creativity is awesome.

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  551. on July 15, 2010 at 10:01 pm Default User

    @anoukange
    Perhaps you need to do a post on the most alpha star signs. I presume

    I wonder about the link between star sign and personality type such as Myers Briggs. Surely all the INTJs here cannot be the one star sign.

    PS
    My star sign description could match my MB type to some degree.
    [and yes, I am aware of cold reading and confirmation bias, etc.]

    PPS

    For instance, I did a guy’s chart to see where his Venus placement was, it was in Aries:

    Is this the new (Italian) guy?

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  552. on July 16, 2010 at 5:48 am the realist

    @Sniper

    “broke off all of my relationships. People change and grow, etc. and I’m not naive enough to expect one person to be right for me for my entire life. I am still in close contact with all of them and they’re now some of my best friends.”

    This shit speaks for itself but anyways….. you test a guy by making him wait, making sure hes a really nice guy and after something serious and long term and then you basically self destruct the relationships, typical woman. Like i said before even the lowliest Beta would do well to steer clear, your PUA defense shield is starting to look more like a torturous BETA entrapment web of bullshit.

    The PUAs and players get off scott free coz they know better from the go and it’s only the lowly herbs who suffer the self destructing web.
    You think you are defending yourself against game, but in reality Game is defending guys against you!!

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  553. on July 16, 2010 at 6:25 am Vincent Ignatius

    The PUAs and players get off scott free coz they know better from the go and it’s only the lowly herbs who suffer the self destructing web.
    You think you are defending yourself against game, but in reality Game is defending guys against you!!

    Well said. Even though it seems like sniper has come up with this on her own, her game is in the same vein as books like “The Rules” and “He’s jut not that into you”. All those books should have the same title “How to catch a beta you won’t be satisfied with anyway so just save your money and buy a cat.”

    Truth be told though, the men they could catch with these methods probably occupy the same place on the distribution of male desirability as the girls do on the female distribution. But hypergamy means they will never be happy with this. Good, they don’t deserve happiness.

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  554. Default-

    Firstly….HI!

    “My star sign description could match my MB type to some degree.
    [and yes, I am aware of cold reading and confirmation bias, etc.]”

    –yes, a combo reading of both, among a few other systems of measurement should be applied in my opinion. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if many MB types are what they are as a result of their star sin. Again, star signs alone are limited but an entire chart is more telling. In MB I register as an introvert, this is not the case, I am equally both an extrovert and an introvert, I am comfortable with both and have made much of my living off of being good with people. So it has its limits as well. A multi-dimensional take on someone (applying many sources of psychological analysis) is best I think, (and the must fun).

    p.p.s– yep. 🙂 half Italian, half Polish.

    Vincent-

    “Good, they don’t deserve happiness.”

    –seriously dude, what The HELL happened to you that you are soooooo angry all the time? Frankie says relax. For all the pussy you be gettin, you sure are cranky. Try yoga.

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  555. Default-

    Loving the new gravatar. I gobbled a lot of you up back in the Atari days.

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  556. When to have sex…

    It’s a good rule of thumb to wait, but I wouldn’t and haven’t made it a hard policy in my dealings with men. If I have a rule at all, it’s maybe each male friend/relative endorsement is as good as 1 month waiting.

    If all my straight friends and relatives like the guy for me, then I’m probably going to do him sooner rather than later. Worst case, he’ll be one of those boyfriends that didn’t work out, and everybody gets to go away with their dignity.

    If their female relatives like me, we’re doing it immediately in their parents’ bathroom or something.

    Hey, I have to be honest. I’m also a firm believer, especially after this seemingly bizarre but perfectly logical past couple of weeks, in updated HBD. Like goes to like. Whatever machinations a woman can dream up, nothing beats nature.

    If the men who love you don’t like someone, it’s likely because that person doesn’t fit you and no matter how long you make him wait for the sex, once it happens, it’s the beginning of the end. The people who are attracted to you as friends in the family sort of depth, are attracted because they are your kind of people. Your male counterparts cover your female blind spots in the same way you cover theirs.

    The only good use of waiting as opposed to filtering by male family, is social expectations. If you’re in a social context wherein waiting is the thing people normally do, then it’s good not to break those social rules.

    If however, you’re in the “open market”, then you’re in a kind of primitive situation that requires primitive strategies to be successful. Let the men around you do what they’re supposed to do, which is protect you from barbarians, even against your own silliness, and then get on with mating when the time is right.

    It seems kind of uncertain, but hey, life is uncertain. People can love you, and you can love them, and then one of you dies. Stuff happens. I am so much happier and exponentially less butthurt since I accepted the “veldt”.

    It’s not complete hedonism, or maybe it is in some sense, but it’s not trying to have your cake and eat it too. When things get uncivilized, women should go tribal. Works for me, even though I’m a sassy old broad. So it’ll work even better for the young ones.

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  557. on July 16, 2010 at 8:34 am Sir_Chancealot

    Someone was asking about the biblical stance on these issues. Here is a short take on it. I’m not providing the scriptures for this (aka, I’m doing it from memory), because I’ve only had one cup of coffee this morning, and I am lazy.

    Here goes: Jesus said that Moses permitted the jews to take multiple wives and have divorces because of the hardness of their hearts, but that it wasn’t always so. He says that it should be one husband, and one wife. Indeed, that is one of the requirements for a “bishop” (i.e., preacher, priest, pastor). Other requirements are that your kids be well behaved, and that you are in charge of your household, but I digress.

    The bible also says that when you are married, your body belongs to your spouse, and that you shouldn’t be celibate for very long, except to pray and fast, but even then, only with MUTUAL consent, then to get back together and knock boots.

    Another one says that if one of the spouses doesn’t properly bang the other one, and if that other one cheats because of not getting it, then come the day of judgment, the withholding spouse will be blamed for it. Of course, it says this in much nicer, less coarse language.

    As to Sniper:

    Someone else put it very well. You are actually punishing the guys who DO want actual marriage, and not hurting the “alphas” at all. As soon as the alphas see you aren’t putting out, they’re gone. The guys that do stick around, wanting an LTR, soon find out that you don’t REALLY want an LTR, so much as to have power over them.

    What’s funny is that come about 30 or so, you’re going to be crying in your Ben & Jerry’s, saying “Where have all the good men gone?”. LOL And then, you’ll be stuck fucking the beta guy (and you will, contrary to what you think or plan), because the “alphas” won’t have anything to do with you. Ah, karma at it’s best!

    Pick one guy and stick with him. Your time is quickly running out. Oh, I know, you don’t believe that. And since you won’t believe that… enjoy your cats and vibrators.

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  558. on July 16, 2010 at 9:32 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””Someone else put it very well. You are actually punishing the guys who DO want actual marriage, and not hurting the “alphas” at all. As soon as the alphas see you aren’t putting out, they’re gone. The guys that do stick around, wanting an LTR, soon find out that you don’t REALLY want an LTR, so much as to have power over them. ”””””

    Well on guys cutting out. When I was playing around before getting with first wife I had up to like 5 girlfriends so it really didn’t matter if one put out or not I still enjoyed them taking me out for picknicks and going to parties and stuff. But yea the one I married and then I got rid of all the other woman for was one that I had sex with early second time seeing her and who I had sexual chemistry with beyond any of the other woman. So yea a big door came down and closed. So yea they would come to door or be wanting to go out and I was past that phase for that time. Got the onitis. Moral to story don’t get onitis for a chick your not fucking and the fucking is good. Course that is me and I like sex. For a guy who doesn’t like sex sniper would probably be a perfect buddy.

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  559. @ Gorbachev–

    That may well be the case regarding Roumanians, but her attitudes about relatiionships are precisely what some bitter middle-aged would fantasize in a 19 yo girl–a beautiful near virgin who doesn’t want to bring kids into this horrible world, who loves a skinny, nerd boy but has no fantasies about being a wife or mother, who is brilliant but believes all she has to offer is her looks. As a former 19 yo girl myself, it’s hard for me to buy.

    It’s would be like me sock puppeting as a 25 yo billionaire weight-lifter who wants nothing more in this world than to make a 50-something yo, intellectual, suburban matron happy in between buying her tiaras and aking her teenage son’s camping. Would you believe it?

    As to your comment about the sweetest seeming girls being cheaters (cue calypso music), “So from your personal point of view, get a bitchy girl to marry you?’ 😉

    In all seriousness, though, I think a guy is better off with a woman who is honest and direct but comes off bitchy than with a manipulator. Sweetness can be a tactic.

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  560. xsplat

    Re: Bible

    Full disclosure, I am an athiest in relation to the god described in judaism, christianity and islam. I find it almost beyond belief that you would say that you haven’t found a single page of the bible to be inspiring, however. I guess it depends on what your expectations are. If you are expecting to be instantly enlightened by the divine truth of its words, and to fall to your knees in worship of the jew god, than I could see how you didn’t find it inspiring. But as an athiest who attaches no sacredness (is that a word?) to the text, the bible is fascinating and inspiring on a number of levels.

    #1 – there is hardly a more coherent historical record of early human civilization. Only deciphered egyptian, vedic, hittite, babylonian or sumerian would be more detailed, however I do not believe any cover the span of time chronicled in the bible.

    #2 – this is related to #1: the old testament is a fascinating look into early human law and sociological norms. Writings from other early civilizations provide this as well, but again, without any expectation for the Bible to be better than any other historical source, who cares?

    #3 – the entire book of proverbs. While I don’t agree with many of them, it is hard to find a verse that puts forward a position that can’t be plausibly supported, and there’s hardly a verse that doesn’t make you think.

    #4 – there is also a knowledge provided by the bible that is exclusive to the non-believer: assuming that it isn’t the word of god, or sacred, or the holder of some “secret” knowledge, how is it that such a book was created/compiled, how has it buttressed the megalithic institutions of major organized religion, and convinced many human minds that it is divine? Understanding the power of the bible over men’s minds, both in what such an analysis reveals of the book itself and of the human animal, is worthy of a lifetime of study.

    #5 – I could continue, but I’ll end with this point: removing the expectation that the bible be divine or sacred or magical, and treating it like a philosophical text (similar to tao te ching or vedas or buddhist writings), it has to be admitted that the bible contains several very interesting philosophical ideas on morality and ethics. And I do agree with you generally, a good deal of the bible (new testament especially) is philosophical junk, especially given all its hype. It basically boils down to an argument based on authority (God is all-powerful and all-knowing, Jesus is God/God’s son/God’s mouthpiece as demonstrated by his magic tricks, everything Jesus and god say are irrefutably true because of their words’ divine origin). But there are several other areas of the bible where the ideas stand on their own, especially when you strip out the “faith” component. There are several excellent observations of human nature and behavior. Again, as a starting point, I’d look at proverbs.

    You religious people may commence throwing me to the lions.

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  561. @Sidewinder–I enjoyed your well-thought out post.

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  562. on July 16, 2010 at 11:36 am Default User

    anoukange warned me that, loving my new gravatar, she:

    . . .gobbled a lot of you up back in the Atari days.

    The temptation to make a smarmy joke is almost too much.

    Instead, just for you: Pac-Man fever (this was a real song, released in the 1980s).

    See also: Pac-Man the remix.

    G A M E O V E R

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  563. @ realist

    What makes you think I “self destruct” the relationship? Relationships don’t work out for a lot of reasons, and the main reason for mine is that we’re still young and still growing. You can’t measure the happiness/health/success of a relationship on it’s permanence. Am I supposed to marry the guy just because I “tortured” him by not putting out? Lol.

    @ Sir_Chancealot

    Who said anything about marriage? I didn’t realize waiting it out to see if I actually want to become invested in the guy means I want to marry him! Goodness, you PUAs and your extremes.

    What’s funny is that come about 30 or so, you’re going to be crying in your Ben & Jerry’s, saying “Where have all the good men gone?”. LOL And then, you’ll be stuck fucking the beta guy (and you will, contrary to what you think or plan), because the “alphas” won’t have anything to do with you.

    But when I’m 30, I’ll look 20! ;-* And I guess I do like “betas” and “herbs” if that means I don’t have to deal with obnoxious egoists who rely on putting down women so they don’t feel insecure about their graying hair. Marriage is about economics, but relationships are about growth and change, and so long as I’m learning and developing myself as a person, it’s not likely that I can stick with one person for the rest of my life, regardless of whether or not they “wait” for me to sleep with them.

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  564. “What’s funny is that come about 30 or so, you’re going to be crying in your Ben & Jerry’s, saying “Where have all the good men gone?”. LOL And then, you’ll be stuck fucking the beta guy (and you will, contrary to what you think or plan), because the “alphas” won’t have anything to do with you.”
    Scaremongering. This is not what I’m seeing in my personal life. The players may not be interested in women over 30 but they are not marriage material anyway (and not all alphas by any means). Sure, you may meet one just at the right time (who is tired of the player lifestyle and in some cases seemingly goes for the next woman who passes through the basic filters) but that’s a risky strategy.

    But alphas are definitely interested. Not ones in the early thirties but only because they’re on the whole married, but ones who are 38+ out of first marriages. Sure they’re not unfussy and want the cream of the crop but they are definitely not passing over women for just being over 30, and in most cases are not even dating women below that age. Sure they want women who look good but they want women who they can spend time with outside the bedroom, be their team mate and be able to take to a business function without worry of being embarassed.

    Anyway, there’s nothing wrong with so-called betas. Some of the most successful guys are betas.

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  565. Sniper

    @ realist

    What makes you think I “self destruct” the relationship? Relationships don’t work out for a lot of reasons, and the main reason for mine is that we’re still young and still growing. You can’t measure the happiness/health/success of a relationship on it’s permanence. Am I supposed to marry the guy just because I “tortured” him by not putting out? Lol.

    @ Sir_Chancealot

    Who said anything about marriage? I didn’t realize waiting it out to see if I actually want to become invested in the guy means I want to marry him! Goodness, you PUAs and your extremes.

    Sniper, I don’t think that it’s occurred to you that men date for a reason. I don’t think you realize the importance of that reason to the man. I think you suffer a criminally negligent lack of empathy for a man’s need for sex.

    if you date a man with no intention of fucking him, you are doing him harm. You are wasting his time.

    That’s not nice.

    About the post on the merits of the writing styles and content of the bible, ya, I can see how it has various areas of intrigue. They just don’t speak to me from a voice that speaks to me. For philosophy I find Zen Buddhism much more direct, explicit, practical, and comprehensive. For history there are better sources. For poetry there are sources that I find more interesting and illuminating. The entire tone of it puts me off, and I hate reverence for thoughts just because some ONE said them. An entire book soaked in the logical fallacy of appeal to authority. I can do better with my time rather than try to weed out the few and far between banal messages spoken in arcane language.

    Other than that, sure, it can hold interest.

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  566. @Doug
    Just read this and thought of our conversation.. not the first time..now that’s just humiliating for the wife.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1295403/Why-DO-classy-women-falling-Mayor-Boris-bumbling-cad.html

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  570. I once had a 38 – 39 year old woman tell me something along these lines…

    ” I was out with my single girlfriends recently and we were sitting there having a drink and talking and we came to the conclusion that; “There are no strong men left” ”

    Translation ? ….

    There are no men out around our age out there willing to stop persuing younger women and to put up with our over inflated sense of worth and entitlement, to put themselves under the yoke of our demands, despite our rapid approaching infertility and our best efforts to hold onto the looks we once may have had.
    We rode the cock carousel in our 20’s , priced ourselves out of the marriage market in our 30’s and then blame it all on men as we fast approach our 40’s.

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  571. We urgently need to introduce mass vaccination of nine-year olds against a sexually transmitted disease. As it happens, the vaccine is really expensive, but hey, we’re doing it for the children.

    The Surgeon General recommends that you do not think about this further, and that you feel a mild to strong anxiety.

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  572. Lily says, “Anyway, there’s nothing wrong with so-called betas. Some of the most successful guys are betas.”

    Technically, any guy who isn’t at the top of the state or national food chain is a beta. The question of alpha/beta among the middle class and large scale lower ranking is whether or not they are alpha enough to be the lead member of their nuclear or, if needed, extended family or peer-family group.

    So no successful guys are betas unless you only measure success in dollars. That kind of status evaporates if the money does.

    If you don’t measure it in dollars then an unemployed occasional street musician who’s handing his wife or girlfriends well, and whose children (if he has any) respect him, and take care of his needs without feeling as if he’s leaning on them because he’s leading them, is alpha.

    It’s not quite all about getting laid, but it’s about the rank people give to him that is partly related to that.

    …and to be very real, I can tell you from having an alpha dad, brothers, and the better part of my uncles and cousins, these types of men usually go for powerfully feminine women.

    They aren’t necessarily the prettiest, but looking around the family, they tend to be on the hotter side…not always media template hot, but vibrant, energetic women who command a lot of attention.

    Those are going to usually happen to be young or have exceptional genes.

    So you should be a little scared…scared enough to retain your youthful flair, and not think you can afford to be dowdy ever.

    Look at it this way: what does a hungry predator usually go for first? The weak and the sick.

    If you’re older and you want a guy who doesn’t feel like he’s settling, you have to look like you’ll need some effort to catch.

    A woman has limited time to do that. If you have good genes, you may have longer than some, but it’s still not that long.

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  573. @ Nicole

    Sure, depends on how define alpha and beta.

    But I think Sniper will be fine, she shouldn’t be scaremongered into ‘settling’ for someone who isn’t right for her. That’s the type of thinking that leads to women being dissatisfied later in their marriage and cheating. Or be pressured into having sex with guys if she doesn’t want to (if she did then she’d be told she’d been riding the cock carousel lol).

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  574. Sidewinder,
    I also enjoyed your well thought out comment on religion and the Bible. There is something in the teachings of the Bible that speaks to the human spirit even for people that don’t consider themselves extremely devout. The music alone is often a good enough reason to attend services.

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  575. This video goes out to xsplat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UX2afsTqFI

    Bonus: that could be a young McArdle singing, couldn’t it?

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  576. So Sniper is something of a Nerd Queen then? It would explain a thing or two regarding counterparty patience.

    Looking at the pix, awwww, very cute, but do consider graduating into a chic parisienne or her spanish equivalent.

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  577. Mr. C

    I once had a 38 – 39 year old woman tell me something along these lines…

    ” I was out with my single girlfriends recently and we were sitting there having a drink and talking and we came to the conclusion that; “There are no strong men left” ”

    Translation ? ….

    There are no men out around our age out there willing to stop persuing younger women and to put up with our over inflated sense of worth and entitlement, to put themselves under the yoke of our demands, despite our rapid approaching infertility and our best efforts to hold onto the looks we once may have had.
    We rode the cock carousel in our 20′s , priced ourselves out of the marriage market in our 30′s and then blame it all on men as we fast approach our 40′s.

    Holy crap that sounds familiar! Been having similar conversations lately as well and it’s staggering. The truly comical part is the cognitive dissonance I see on their faces when we have these exchanges and I wander off to hit on a chick in her 20s. Like she was expecting me to “be a man” and take her home or something. Girl, just because you’re giving me some sob story hinting you want to fuck doesn’t mean I want to (with you). My game is good enough now I don’t have to settle. Boo freaking hoo for you. The irony is these women just want guys like myself all that much more when they see us getting these younger women. Preselection? Probably. “5 minutes of alpha is better than a lifetime of beta” comes to mind. Granted they get pissed at me, but so what. The next weekend rolls around and it just repeats with them not getting the attention they used it, me ignoring them, and them getting made when they go home alone and I don’t.

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