A Hot Wife Means A Happier Marriage

A new study has apparently put the lie to that old song with the lyrics “If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife”.

In the study, which was recently published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, psychologist Andrea Meltzer tracked over 450 newlywed couples during the course of four years and posed the question: does a good-looking spouse lead to a more satisfying union?

What Meltzer and her team discovered was that spousal attractiveness does play a major role in marital satisfaction — but only for men. In other words, men care about looks more than women do.

The authors write, “The significant effect of wives’ attractiveness on husbands’ satisfaction was significantly stronger than the nonsignificant effect of husbands’ attractiveness on wives’ satisfaction, indicating that partner physical attractiveness played a larger role in predicting husbands’ marital satisfaction than it did in predicting wives’ marital satisfaction.”

Wow, my friends. Just wow.

Excuse me, I was channeling your typical feminist there for a moment. If you’re a CH acolyte, you probably are not a dumbfuck feminist, ankle-grabbing mangina, or lying leftoid, and therefore the results from this study won’t surprise you. Instead, you’ll amusingly wonder how anyone could have doubted that men are happier with attractive women and women don’t care as much about men’s looks. Stop the goddamned presses! You mean men and women are… *GASP*… different?

Interestingly, the attractive wives also reported higher levels of satisfaction, all because having a happy hubby made them happier too.

The natural state of woman is submission to a confident man. When woman’s nature is allowed to express itself, she is happy. When her nature is stifled — say, by being married to an unhappy or insecure beta male — she is contemplating an eatpraylove getaway. We can conclude that the ideal arrangement is a beautiful wife with a self-assured, dominant husband.

A study conducted in 2008 at the Relationship Institute at UCLA reached a similar finding. Researchers theorized that men who felt they “lucked out” by marrying attractive wives were happier and more likely to care about their wives’ needs — and in turn, the good-looking wives were happier in the relationship as well.

“The husbands seemed to be basically more committed, more invested in pleasing their wives when they felt that they were getting a pretty good deal,” study author Benjamin Karney explained.

Bodacious tit-for-tat. The sexual market is an immense bazaar of endless barter regulating the exchange of biomolecular entities with differing reproductive goals. Bad poets try to ignore this reality. Good poets try to transcend it. Great poets find beauty in it.

Karney said the opposite occurred when the husbands felt they were better looking than their wives, explaining, “They didn’t seem to be quite as motivated to help out their wives when they were more attractive than their wives.”

Options = instability.

What do you think, do you agree with the “hot wife, better life” theory? Sound off below.

Chateau Heartiste already answered this question, using a metric that frames the issue in a tangible way for men. Again, the CH worldview, however despised and resented by the patrons of the pretty lie megaplex, is vindicated by ♥science♥. And now we can add LOVE to the list of pleasures that attractive women inspire to epiphanic heights in men.





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  1. So, when you marry a hot wife and she devolves into a fat slob…

    [CH: …the happiness he once felt turns into sad sobs.]

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    • … you might be a beta.

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      • There’s no might about it. I was a classic conflict-avoiding hard-working beta provider with utterly no understanding of how to manage my marriage or my relationships with my children for sixteen long years. During fifteen of those years she constantly threatened to divorce me and take the kids unless I . Now happily divorced and thanks to this blog (and others) with enough rudimentary game and confidence to date girls of the age and appearance she had a couple of decades ago.

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    • If you want to eventually settle down to have kids, make sure you take a good look at all of her older female relatives. It won’t matter as much if she is a lot younger (why you settling for a girl near your age?). If her mom or older sisters are war pigs, kick her to the curb.

      Also tell her on a weekly basis that if she ever lets herself go, that you’ll leave her. Look her right in the eye and say it. Poke her belly and nod for added effect.

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    • Quit your job and say since she doesn’t like being thin, and indulges that desire, you can quit working and paying the bills and find your true self.

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  2. I’d like to see some studies on polygamous arrangements v/s monogamous ones. That should be interesting, since that’s the natural outcome of free sexual markets anyway.

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    • on November 21, 2013 at 2:11 pm The Burninator

      I know of no studies. I do know of one actual real life poly relationship, but it’s MMF. The gal seems nice enough, but the guys are absolute wuss betas, as one would expect. And she seems to have a fixed attrition rate, meaning, every couple of years one of the guys will drop out and, I’m guessing, slit his wrist for being such a wuss, and she’ll fill the vacancy with another drippy, whiny emo poetry writing dork. As far as I know she’s still doing this to this day, and had been for a good 10 years that I knew her before she dropped off of my acquaintance radar a couple of years ago.

      Data on male poly would be interesting, since I’d expect an entirely different dynamic, given as being the head of a harem necessarily implies extreme alpha qualities, assuming he built the harem himself by hand selection.

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      • I have been dating/fucking women polygamously for the last 3-4 years now.

        I can tell you it works out well for everyone, especially if you know how to train women to cut down on the drama. My best two girls actually cook/clean/wash for me, and take good care of me. I like that, and it appears so do they.

        It would be interesting to see honest scientific data on such arrangements. Though I wonder if that’s a lot to ask of these geeky data gatherers who themselves float in the sexless vacuums of their lives.

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      • Based on my observation, most male poly groups included a bunch of useless lumps of protoplasm…neck beards, dorks.

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      • I have never seen a hot person who self-defines as “polyamorous”. Hot people sleep around, for sure, but the title itself seems to be reserved for weird pasty squishy atheist neckbeards and warpigs.

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    • You’ll never see anything honest. Most conservatives aren’t even aware that it’s even a thing, and most liberals will twist any set of data points they have to in order to make it look healthier and more functional than heterosexual monogamy.

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      • I don’t expect liberals to support polygamy. I agree on conservatives, though.

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      • Liberals would only hail polyamory when it’s one woman fucking more than one male. Though as Burninator said above, such males would have to be Beta.

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      • Usually one guy gets the pussy and the others get to hold hands and listen to her talk forever about her feelings.

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      • on November 22, 2013 at 4:57 am The Burninator

        That actually was the arrangement she seemed to have. One “sex” guy and the other was her shopping buddy. I assume she had sex with him too on occasion, but he clearly wasn’t on her vagina’s radar much.

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      • Ah, I read that “polyamory” not “polygamy.”

        You’re probably right on the liberals; how dare any man have more than one woman? But then, the academic bias just runs in the other direction. If they hate it, it will be proven a Bad Thing, no matter what.

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      • Which is why the humanities and social sciences are dying as disciplines. They have been turned into Marxist Studies classes.

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      • Gosh, please tell all those people that their studies aren’t real, and Carlos Danger the roofing contractor said so.

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      • If they don’t study the Western canon, then they are usually crap as far as Humanities are concerned. Sociology, Psychology, etc. are not very useful degrees and there are slews of similar programs at every university. Degrees in either field are inferior to any STEM degree or even a business degree. Liberal arts can be learned at home as a hobby. None of the social sciences would have much employment without government created work. Humanities less so. I’m not the only one who thinks these fields have become politicized and enstupidated. I never see you offer anything but snarky criticism.

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      • on November 22, 2013 at 4:54 am The Burninator

        Well Subway, you’re just shown us that you’ve never actually attended a university, or if you have, you haven’t been to a social sciences class. All it takes is a one or two day essay of any given social science class to figure out that it is essentially a Marxist indoctrination group circle hug. I give you a one to two day window there, given your displayed intellect on this board, but most people can figure it out within a couple of minutes of listening to the prof/ta speak. This has been true for decades now.

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    • Why would it be the natural outcome? All societies that have evolved past the Stone Age have done away with polygamy. (An exception: some states in the Middle East. But that is because divorce is frowned upon. The man instead gives his old wife her own house to live in, and keeps paying for her, while living with his new wife, being married to both on paper. Less and less common.)

      Polygamy is costly for the man with many wives. It leads to poverty among the wives, and children not being taken care of. That is not good for society. It will not be a happy state for women, and if they can leave it and support themselves, they will. And of course, it takes away women from other men, who will have a great incentive in supporting leaders who will do away with polygamy.

      As for the polygamy dreamed about in some Marxist faux-intellectual fantasies, “group marriages”, I can only say: Ha. Ha.

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      • Look around, man.

        Most men dwell in their lifelong dry spells while some get to fuck far more than their fair share.

        Of course it isn’t good for the society and civilisation in general. But that doesn’t mean that isn’t good for the men who can, and their women.

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      • Most men dwell in their lifelong dry spells while some get to fuck far more than their fair share.

        That isn’t polygamy. Polygamy means to live in a marriage with more than one partner. What you are talking about is having many sex partners, and yes, I am having that.

        In your first post, you said that in a free market place, polygamy is the natural arrangement. Not so: monogamy is the natural arrangement. As is demonstrated by societies all across the world. The very few societies that don’t have rampant monogamy are small Stone Age tribes in South American jungles and the like.

        Not only is monogamy more efficient than moving from one sex partner to the next: most people prefer it, strange as it may seem. There is that thing called love, which you write here that you have never felt. There is togetherness and having someone else who cares about your life. And someone to raise children with. It is shocking, but most people prefer that.

        Now, me, personally, I find that living alone suits me fine, at least for the time being. But that doesn’t prevent me from understanding other people’s behavior.

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      • You have a lot to learn, dear friend.

        Try accepting reality for what it is instead of what you want it to be.

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      • So how about some practical advice on making it happen, keeping the complaining and cattiness under control, etc.

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      • Carlos, I’ll advice someone when they seek it for a specific issue.

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      • “An exception: some states in the Middle East”

        That isn’t an exception. The middle east has not evolved past the Stone Age.

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      • No two ways about it, polygamy is incompatible with what we consider to be Western-Civilization and democratic capitalism. Polygamy is plain evil, it attracts evil men and can turn good men evil. It inevitably leads to oppression of women, abuse of children (molestation of girls, exploitation of boys) disrespect for the law and conflict with neighbors. It generates a continual surplus of sexually-frustrated mate-less men, which leads to a continual state of external warfare and internal strife. There should be no mystery as to why Islam generates an endless supply of angry, twisted young men to wage jihad against the world.

        America’s own homegrown polygamous societies, namely, fundamentalist Mormonism (FLDS) and the Nation of Islam (NOI) are two glaring examples. I recall reading Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith by Jon Krakauer (FLDS) and The Messenger: The Rise and Fall of Elijah Muhammad by Karl Evanzz (NOI) and the tales of violence, crime and sordid perversion they revealed certainly convinced me that polygamy is inherently dysfunctional.

        Of course, even if they’ve never even heard of the Frankfurt School, liberals have an unerring dog-like instinct to side with evil in any question or situation. Anything destructive of institutions independent of the all-powerful State are to be undermined…the family being the most fundamental of all.

        So of course we will continue to be bombarded with carefully pre-selected examples of poly this and poly that on reality TV… In Islam a wife can be divorced in a hot minute and kicked out of the house with nothing and in the tolerant West it can’t be called polygamy if there’s no marriage on paper. Women who involve themselves with men in polygamous arrangements know better than to even think of trying to sue for custody, child support or community property from that kind of man if they leave or are kicked out.

        Everything I’ve read about hipster polyamory tells me that even when all participants are well-meaning the relationships are riven with jealousy and strife and any children born to such an arrangement might as well be damned at birth.

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    • Dunno about polygamous, however in my somewhat younger and wilder days I had experience with one couple with an “open marriage”. The wife had another boyfriend and could fuck any guy she wanted, yet she gave him utter shit if he fucked another girl. Very “open”, I was present when she gave him a screaming-shrew ass-ripping.

      He didn’t raise a peep when I wandered into his home and shacked up with his wife for two weeks. I ate, shat, slept, and rawdogged his wife every way from Sunday while there – during the day while he was at work and in his own bed at night while he slept on the couch in the living room. She showed me around the town too, dinners and romantic shit and all, all on her time and his dime.

      Hubby was 6’6″, built like a brick shithouse, and pussy-whipped Omega cunt to the fuckin’ core.

      In retrospect I shouldn’t have gotten married and swallowed the blue pill for a time. I should have stuck with the red pill and continued being a man. Ah well, slow process getting back to that.

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  3. “If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife”

    Something tells me that Jimmy Soul was an insecure beta.

    I’ve been in relationships with 6’s before, and after the first couple of weeks, all I could think of was getting out. How someone could rationalize marrying one instead, I’ll never understand.

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    • on November 21, 2013 at 2:12 pm The Burninator

      Oneitis and betatude go a long way towards explaining it. If you think you can’t do better, well, you can’t.

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      • Thinking your “hot” girl will cheat on you because she’s hot somehow makes her. I realized this through bitter experience back when I was 17, and had the heart of a beta.

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      • Old fashioned social pressure is still a factor in old fashioned families too.

        I always knew I could do better, but I used to really care what my family thought of me. Especially my father and my grandfather. I knew having sex before marriage was wrong, and felt like the pregnancy was my punishment for sinning, so I had to atone by marrying and supporting her and being devoted to making the marriage work. It was all my burden to bear for being evil and taking advantage of a girl for my own pleasure.

        I finally got over that shit, but not in time.

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    • Die Antwoord mocks this mindset in their song “She Makes Me a Killer”.

      I find this endlessly hilarious.

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    • There is a kernel of truth in there, though.

      I think the relative attractiveness of the woman and the man is of note. In my observations, the happiest LTR’s are ones where the man’s SMV is just slightly greater than his woman’s. .

      Some of the most miserable relationships I’ve ever seen involved highly financially successful betas and wives that outranked them by 2-3 points. I’ve seen really good men treated like total shit by their hottie wives, and the poor bastards just endure it to avoid the assraping they’ll receive from divorce court(of course, their bitches know it too, and take full advantage).

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  4. on November 21, 2013 at 2:17 pm Lucky White Male

    Napoleon Hill said in The Greatest Self -Help Book Ever Written, (Think and Grow Rich) that the greatest men of history, in industry, the richest men, the most famous men, etc. have pronounced sexual natures

    And that for every one of these men, including the men he interviewed and studied, there was a woman somewhere in their lives that inspired them

    Sometimes it was a wife. But often it was another woman, such as a “personal secretary” that was with the powerful man of industry for many years. So that saying that, “Behind every great man is a woman” – I believe it to be true. Certainly we see it for at least extended periods

    Picasso’s various great periods of art – you can divide them up over his life – seem to coincide with certain affairs he had with younger women

    Nelson Riddle said Sinatra never learned how to sing a love song until he met Ava Gardner. He was a great artist already but sonething was still missing.

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    • I’ve never been in that kind of oneitisy “love”. I don’t think I ever can, knowing what I now know. Yet, I don’t think professional success has anything to do with that.

      Case in point : Clooney, Buffet, Gates, Downey Jr., Putin etc.

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    • Ya, I can believe this. But this kind of love — the kind that people write about — seems to come from inherently unstable unions. Male with options + female with options. The result is a man who is forever being tested and challenged. On the one hand, makes him feel alive I bet — men are being made better all the time when attempting to overcome. On the other hand, it probably gets tiring.

      In the case of the personal secretary, I’d say that’s just being with someone for years who knows a certain part of you very well. Way different than the other situation above.

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    • I think Billy Joel nailed in in a song:

      “You only hit the high notes when you play for Christie Lee.”

      How true.

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    • Napoleon Bonaparte said “moral is to the physical as three is to one”

      And some other smart fucker said, “the difference between looking good and looking good for your age is like the difference between lightening and lightening bug”

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    • Correlation does not imply causation. Maybe you have it backwards.

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  5. I have a question for the men in here:

    You guys go on and on about the value of a woman’s attractiveness and while I don’t disagree in any way at all, can you give some reasoning as to how you can be among the most attractive women in the room, if not the most attractive, and have very few suitors approach you?

    [CH: fear.]

    I am not delusional about my looks, I don’t necessarily take any pride or credit for them, but genetically I am better off than most. People have routinely referred to me as stunning, gorgeous, the most beautiful women in the room, etc. I don’t have issue getting into the most exclusive venues in nyc with the tightest of doors cold and without a promoter and I do not take it for granted. Now at age 24, upon recently getting over my last breakup, I feel emotionally ready to date and get into a relationship, but the type of men who will often approach me give off player/douche vibes and I could not care less for them.

    [if you truly want a niceguy, i guess you’ll have to bust a move. someone’s gotta take the sackless by the balls.]

    Recently I attended a big business conference – I work in finance – at an ivy business school in hopes of being approached by some decent and viable prospects, but much to my disappointment, I didn’t get approached very much at all. I did manage to make a few connections that I am excited to explore, but I felt the response was rather underwhelming for what I was expecting.

    [assuming you are the hottie you claim here, it’s not surprising that most men will feel you’re too hot to approach and chat up. most men are beta males who are afraid of rejection. remember that.]

    I don’t know if it’s because I’m introverted (INTP) and it generally takes me time to warm up to people that perhaps I am being perceived as bitchy or stuck up, but I know I looked great and always put effort into my presentation so attractiveness surely isn’t the problem. I need some suggestions as how to appear my down to earth and approachable to the kinds of men you will find at venues similar to that of the business conference I recently attended. I plan to attend more in the recent future and would like more promising results.

    excuse typos/misspellings, in a rush. thx

    [put your hair in a ponytail, wear unflattering clothes, don’t wear make-up, sit and stand a little hunched over, smile genuinely at everyone, and say hi to men who are near you. if that doesn’t work, you’re surrounded by pussies. try a new field.]

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    • yeah, be more approachable. if you’re a 7 or above, guys will be attracted to you. its diminishing returns if you’re a 9 AND you’re wearing designer clothes and other attributes of ivy league pedigree. in my experience, the hot girls that follow CH’s advice in his last paragraph go from being “hot” to sometimes being beautiful.

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    • pics or ur patrice

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    • Avoid “hot girl look”. A brief stare down and a smile should reap them like wheat.

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    • pics or it didn’t happen

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    • Most men don’t know how to handle social situations well. That is where you can help them.

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    • I don’t know if it’s because I’m introverted (INTP) and it generally takes me time to warm up to people that perhaps I am being perceived as bitchy or stuck up, but I know I looked great and always put effort into my presentation so attractiveness surely isn’t the problem.

      Make brief eye contact and smile if you really think the guy is interesting. That would work for me; I go up and talk to strange women whenever they do that and I find them attractive. (But then again, I also have no “she’s out of my league” hangups like a lot of guys.) One thing that may help is to act like you’re already in a relationship. It would loosen you up, especially as you are introverted and introverted men like myself need extra encouragement with introverted women.

      Also, you should realize that NYC is not called an “ovary graveyard” for nothing. Look for somewhat smaller cities where you’re more likely to run into a red-blooded American male.

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    • Natalia u r annoying

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    • on November 21, 2013 at 5:20 pm Hugh G. Rection

      Go where the men are, outside of work, clubs, etc.. Pick some male hobby.

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    • You sound too good to be true. Beautiful introverts are rare and sought after. Any man with decent radar would have long since scooped a girl like you up.

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      • As mentioned, I have recently resolved that I am emotionally well enough to date after my last breakup (June) so it is only recently that I am seriously increasing my visibility and attending professional events which are social in nature. I have made not of quite a few that I wish to attend so hopefully this man with decent radar will scoop me up within the coming months.

        Also, it seems to be the case that women who are introverted, especially those who don’t particularly have a warm/fuzzy demeanor, and who are also beautiful tend to be perceived as unapproachable so your claim makes sense in theory, but in practice it is proving a bit trickier, but I persevere.

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      • Men today are raised to be timid and squirrely as well. That also has an impact.

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      • Watch and observe the Geishas in Memoirs of a Geisha. Adapt it to America, of course, but learn to smile and make eye contact as they do. It suits a girl like yourself and men find it charming in most cases. Do try to find a man as well, not a mangina.

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      • I can’t help but think it’s because you’re attending “professional events”. Sounds stifling and horribly formal. I’d imagine dudes are going to be on their guard and risk-averse in such situations, since they may feel under scrutiny and that their reputations – among business peers – are at stake. Of course, you’d want a man who wouldn’t give a damn about any of that, but you haven’t yet found one like that at that kind of venue.

        Personally, I’d suggest a more ‘outdoorsy’ or activity-focused kind of thing. Maybe sailing, or art gallery opening nights, or some sort of charity event where you have to get your hands dirty. Conversations spring up spontaneously when you’re doing stuff together, plus you’ll be dressed down and thus appear more approachable.

        Bonus: if you’re as good looking as you say you are, if you can maintain hotness without makeup, whilst sweating and with your hair tied back or messed up (and do it unselfconsciously) your attractiveness will actually skyrocket. Natural beauty trumps painted-on fakery every time, and a high quality man out to have an eye for such subtleties.

        Helps if you’re enjoying what you’re doing, and if you’re not enjoying these formal gatherings, well, that won’t help. Just seems to me that you need to broaden your social sphere away from what sounds like a narrow, incestuous ghetto. Just a thought, I’m not part of that kind of world, and wouldn’t want to be, so take it with a pinch of salt.

        Finally, tits or GTFO. Good luck.

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      • I hear what you’re saying and you make a valid point that I haven’t really considered. The nature of the event I recently attended was primarily professional, but I suspect people attend them also for social reasons as it was a weekend long event and in the itinerary there was a gala event and an after party following it so I expected that would promote mixing and mingling, but unfortunately it did not in my case.

        I tend to target environments where the kinds of men I am looking for will be in. So I don’t only have business conferences in my agenda, but also plan to attend movie premiers, gala events, cocktail events, charity events, award shows, met operas, etc.

        I will certainly look into gallery openings and will experiment with attending more hands-on events, outdoorsy and interactive events. I will have to do some research on this. Thanks.

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      • Pull a guy off your ‘friend zone’ bench.

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    • I will work to employ a combination of tips suggested here, namely looking more conservative. I certainly won’t “uglify” myself but maybe wear my hair up and wear a pair of readers to look more subdued.

      I will also consider taking a shot prior to attending panels/mixers so that I will be able to loosen up in order to be more social. I will aim to smile more and practice making small talk with/being genuinely interested in people in the meantime.

      Thank you.

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    • “Recently I attended a big business conference – I work in finance – at an ivy business school in hopes of being approached by some decent and viable prospects, but much to my disappointment, I didn’t get approached very much at all.”

      Go to a hedge fund and ask for a job in marketing. This is better advice than any of the guys here will give you.

      Didja happen to attend that conference at the ivy business school in NYC?

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      • Go to a hedge fund and ask for a job in marketing. This is better advice than any of the guys here will give you.

        Fail. You seem to have completely missed the point of the Modern Corporate Harem article.

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      • Interesting suggestion.
        Not at all, I as in New England.

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      • Is your “default face” smiling, friendly, approachable? It makes a big difference. Practice walking around with a demure half smile and slightly questioning look, like you’re curious about what’s going on around you but a little quiet and shy.

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      • Not quite.. I don’t think I look mean or anything, but I tend to have a more neutral look.
        But of course I am willing to train myself to do otherwise and will gladly implement your suggestion.

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      • Speaking of demure and neutral looks, I remember a girl who came from a small town in Greece, although she didn’t look very Greek. She was an exchange student at my university. Very beautiful, but there was a lot of competition from other hot women. But the way they presented themselves they were hot; the Greek girl was beautiful. She always had guys surrounding her when she went to a party, and she was always polite and smiled to all of them. The word “demure” captured her perfectly, and that was why guys liked talking to her. You knew that she would never raise a sarcastic eyebrow at you or talk to you like a man talking to a man.

        This demure behavior has mostly disappeared in the West. And that is not because Western women are bad or lesser in any way; they are just not taught how to be ladylike, just like most guys grow up with no clue about how a calm, strong, responsible man acted in the past. (Guys, go to ArtofManliness.com and look around a bit.)

        So paradoxically, at the university I noticed this ladylike behavior primarily from girls who did not come from the West. An Iranian girl captured it perfectly, dressed tastefully with a colorful shawl around her shoulders (recommended!) and with bracelets, smiling warmly and calmly, moving with smooth motions like water in a brook on a warm spring day. East Asian girls – those who are from Asia, not those who have grown up in the West – often have something of this ladylike behavior too. (Watch the 1980s mini series Shogun; its great success came to a large degree from the character Mariko. Ladylike and with a strong sense of duty. Guys have no problem with intelligence in women, like the feminists claim. We have a problem with people saying stupid things and demanding that they be treated as if they were intelligent.) Isn’t it odd how I can always tell, in the grocery story close to the university, if an Asian girl in the store is a foreign student or not? You can see it in the way they move. An easy thing to remember is to move slower.

        These thoughts always make me a bit sad, because I am thinking of a single girl I know who is a good person, but she just doesn’t know how to act in a more demure, ladylike way, which I am sure would bring her more suitors.

        Above all, men and women should move in a more peaceful way. It makes the men look more manly and the women look more feminine.

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      • You knew that she would never raise a sarcastic eyebrow at you or talk to you like a man talking to a man.

        it’s especially bad in large cities like new york. although the flip side is that there are a lot of transplants from other countries and it’s really easy to tell them apart by the way they move, talk and dress. that is, until they’ve been here a few years and become infected by the she-man virus.

        good post.

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      • Natalia

        But of course I am willing to train myself to do otherwise and will gladly implement your suggestion.
        ——————————————————————————————–

        Here is an exercise you can use to keep your “neutral look” slightly elevated in the direction of a smile (I don’t want you walkin around like a goofy bitch).

        When you go out in public, make it a habit to smile at the begining of every interaction you have,

        and this is key:

        hold the smile until the other person returns the smile to you.

        Try it for one day. Do like scray and make it “the one day challenge”. I guarrentee you will get the outcome you are seeking (in addition to other beneficial effects)

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      • Just try not to smile at blacks, Natalia, it tends to trigger the rape reflex.

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      • “This demure behavior has mostly disappeared in the West. And that is not because Western women are bad or lesser in any way; they are just not taught how to be ladylike, just like most guys grow up with no clue about how a calm, strong, responsible man acted in the past.”

        Exactly. Western women are brought up to act like men. It’s not an inherent flaw; it’s 100% learned behavior. That’s why, in my experience, a sweet and feminine 7-8 can draw more quality attention than a bitchy sarcastic 10. I know the mantra here is looks above all, but that’s what I’ve seen. Of course you’d prefer the sweet, feminine 10 but it’s tough to find in the U.S.

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      • That’s why, in my experience, a sweet and feminine 7-8 can draw more quality attention than a bitchy sarcastic 10.

        I think guys are a lot less picky about looks than women think. Yes, we want a woman who is attractive, but that is a wide category. She doesn’t have to look perfect. On a scale from one to five, most guys are fine with three to five. (Look at the internet: both in dating sites and elsewhere, guys are okay with a girl’s looks and will write to her as long as she doesn’t look ugly. While women are a lot more picky.)

        Definitely, as long as a woman has passable looks, if she is sweet and feminine she is a relief for a guy to spend time with. Soothing. A girl can learn this and have an advantage over other women.

        She can also throw in these comments in a conversation: (1) “I really don’t like tattoos.” (Shows that she rejects the follow-the-herd mentality in favor of the natural instinct, to care for one’s smooth, healthy skin.) (2) “I often like spending time with guys more than girls, because guys are more relaxed. With girls it’s so much about status.” (3) “I love spending time in the outdoors.” (4) “I want us to have hot, steamy, law-breaking-in-public and well-oiled….” Okay, you don’t have to say the last one.

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      • A number of helpful suggestions. I was initially apprehensive to pose this question, but I figured what better place to do so than a site full of men, and apparently some women, well-versed in social/sexual dynamics.

        Thank you all. I will work hard to do better.

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      • on November 23, 2013 at 9:09 am Jimmy don't play that

        Approach some guy whose looks appeal to you, and tell him you are in need of a shooting buddy. If he quails, walk away. If he asks if you prefer the Glock or 1911 pattern, you are over the target. If he starts in about how the .40S&W is a pointless cartridge, the 9mm is not worth blah blah blah, throw your drink in his face. This ain’t rocket surgery.

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      • Natalia, visit the SoSuave forum; you’ll find some strange guys (hey, it’s the internet) but also many insightful posts. It is mainly a forum for guys to learn how to shape up, but women can learn from it too.

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    • CH is right on the money. Hotness and intelligence terrifies men.

      I went through an awkward phase when I was a teen, but that changed one night at a dance. I noticed that the two prettiest girls hadn’t danced at all, but the next few down the line were out on the floor all night. So I figured what the hell and asked one to dance. With a look of relief, she gladly accepted. After that, I ended up dancing with the two the rest of the night. By the end, all three of us were dancing together. They were both intelligent and hot.

      After realizing that the other guys were envious, it dawned on me that the other guys were simply too afraid to ask.

      I’m not a player. But I’ve mostly dated hot, intelligent women. They’re easy to get because there’s little competition.

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      • How long ago, and where were you in your anecdote? I’ll briefly share my very different experience under similar circumstances.

        Six years ago, deep south dance club: I am a good looking guy, not model quality but let’s just say I definitely fail with women due to social awkwardness, not my looks. I spot a very attractive, innocent-looking girl standing to the side, eyes rather downcast, nicely dressed. I couldn’t tell she was with anyone so I approached and asked her for a dance. She accepted. I danced and tried to speak to her, she really didn’t seem excited at all and I couldn’t shake her out of her funk. I assumed she was just having a bad night and being unwilling to share with me, I left.

        I spot her not five minutes later excitedly dancing with some large thuggish-looking guys and I use the term ‘dancing’ loosely – it was more of the modern dry-humping that passes for dancing. A couple of the guy’s friends were looking right at me and smiling, I assume they had witnessed my sad little dance with her.

        Your experience seems to have been a launching point to becoming confident and relatively successful with attractive women. My own was a crushing torment that left me feeling like a pathetic anachronism. It’s interesting to me just how much a person’s mindset and worldview can be shaped by just a handful of critical experiences, such as our very contrasting results from the same basic scenario. You can imagine my sense of relief when I found sites like this one that finally explained what was really going on in instances like the one I just described.

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      • 100% agreement about the ability of a single incident, or a series of small incidents shaping your entire character and worldview. Mercifully, I had my emotional guts torn out at a young and tender age so I was “in the know” about the true nature of Woman while still a very young man. That paid dividends, but I do feel a great sadness for dudes like “M3” who did all the right things and everything he was taught and got shat upon for it for many many years.

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      • Me too, but I’m a slower learner. It took quite a few emotional disembowelments before I got it. I suppose CH would say that I kept wanting to believe the pretty lie over the ugly truth.

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      • It was in the early 80’s in the rural west.

        Yeah, I see what you mean. I’m pretty fortunate that it worked out the way it did.

        Man that sucks. I’m glad you have finally found game. I’m in a similar boat. Like I said, I’m not a player. I’ve never done well with women in the 7 to 8 range. And I’ve gotten oneitis over a couple of them and had my heart broken. There was one who was about 7.5 who was a blast to hang out with. We went drinking and partying quite a bit for a few months, and I simply loved hanging out with her. She friend zoned me.

        I’ve always been confident — more than a few have called me arrogant. This gives me the alpha angle. But I’m not as good at the comfort-trust angle. I remember a Rapachini’s Daughter telling a story about a guy who complemented her in such a way that she was livid. I’ve done that. When given the shit test about does my butt look fat? I used to give a simple “Yes” or “No.” The ironic thing is that I’m a pretty nice guy. This site has helped my current relationship.

        So we’ve all got our burdens. Keep plugging and things will get better.

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      • Hotness may intimidate, but intelligence? It only frightens those who are less intelligent. That’s always the case, the less intelligent, especially those with a two-digit IQ, don’t like those with a high intelligence. Those guys with a high intelligence however want smart womenfolk.

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    • Take a position with the NAACP…

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    • not long ago I was present when a friend and his girlfriend started talking about how good-looking they are and her hot body. they are 4’s and she’s built like a fireplug: 36-36-36.

      my question is how the fuck would you know you are not delusional? they don’t think they are delusional and yet they clearly are. by definition, if you were delusional, you would not think so.

      what do you bring to the table besides possibly crazed narcissism and fading looks?

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    • hey natalia– As a young women your age, here are my $0.02 (feel free to take it or leave it… 😉 Something I noticed years ago is that I am hit on WAY more when I’m in sweats or leggings. Studying at Starbucks in sweatpants (the sexy kind not the ones from goodwill) with hair in messy bun always did the trick…once I dated a pretty hot surgeon who came over to chat me up (I was writing a research paper in sweats in the coffeeshop).

      Moral of the story–guys love women in their “natural state”. Obviously my BF loves me in a dress and heels but he always says I look hot when I’m in sweatpants…LOL I think it is a the appeal of a hot but low maintenance woman that is the draw! 😉

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      • An introverted hottie who is self-aware and posts on ‘game’ blogs for advice?
        Right……

        [CH: let’s suspend our collective disbelief for the entertainment value offered.]

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  6. I think women are happier when their spouses are happier for the same reason that women get turned on by observing their own sexuality than male sexuality. It’s not that they are gay, its that it’s always all about them. They don’t want their husband to dress up in something kinky, they want to dress up in something kinky because their own sexiness turns them on. Similarly, they are turned on when they see the effect their sexiness as on their hubby. I have observed this when talking dirty to girls during sex. They are not that aroused by comments about my body. They are aroused by comments about their body, or what their body is doing to my body…again, it’s all about them.

    If I had to guess what the inverse of this study found (what made wives happier in marriage), I would say it was the husband’s ability to maintain or exceed their previous social standing. As this study notes, the husbands’ looks don’t account for much. If a man is holding his own with their social position, or rising through the ranks, I predict she’s going to continue to serve him. If he starts slipping, she’s going to be searching the ranks of the social group she wants to be a part of, and will start to give the subtle cues that her goods are available for new, more high status, dick.

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    • “” If I had to guess what the inverse of this study found (what made wives happier in marriage), I would say it was the husband’s ability to maintain or exceed their previous social standing. As this study notes, the husbands’ looks don’t account for much. If a man is holding his own with their social position, or rising through the ranks, I predict she’s going to continue to serve him. If he starts slipping, she’s going to be searching the ranks of the social group she wants to be a part of, and will start to give the subtle cues that her goods are available for new, more high status, dick. “”

      Well said.

      A large part of Hapiness is expectations met and when wifey’s expectations are met or surpassed then what you have is a happy wifey.
      A happy wifey who is more likely to stay in shape and meet husband’s needs.

      Entitlement queens have unrealistic expectations and therefore are far more likely to be miserable, overly demanding c*nts.

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    • “it’s all about them”

      Yep.

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    • I think women are happier when their spouses are happier for the same reason that women get turned on by observing their own sexuality than male sexuality. It’s not that they are gay, its that it’s always all about them. They don’t want their husband to dress up in something kinky, they want to dress up in something kinky because their own sexiness turns them on.

      Not quite. They are turned on by the fact that they turn on men. Because women have always survived through men.

      But on top of that, it seems that women find sexy women more attractive than men find sexy men attractive (which is practically zero). It must appeal to the human sense of aesthetics.

      They are not that aroused by comments about my body. They are aroused by comments about their body, or what their body is doing to my body…again, it’s all about them.

      I am as anti-feminist as you possibly can be, and can probably beat pretty much anyone here in arguing against feminism. But there is a ridiculous tendency among some who visit “manosphere” blogs (and as we know, many visitors are guys who can’t get laid) to describe things they don’t understand in a way that makes women sound as bad as possible. Someone who understands evolutionary psychology doesn’t do that. “It’s all about them” shows that you have a lot to learn, and with that attitude you won’t.

      The reason women are not as turned on by men’s bodies as much as men are turned on by the sight of women, is simple. Those men in the Stone Age who were quickly aroused by the sight of a woman with youth and health on her side had more sex and spread their behavior genes to the whole population that way. Women never needed to be quickly turned on by the sight of men, and it would in fact be contra-productive. That’s the reason, not some “it’s all about them” bitterness.

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  7. “They didn’t seem to be quite as motivated to help out their wives when they were more attractive than their wives.”

    Can verify. I dated a guy who was more attractive than me and he never wanted to get close. His emotional detachment seemed alluring but I should have realized it was never going to work. I didn’t accept it at the time because of my inflated self worth.

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  8. This is an interesting study. And of course: with men so strongly wired to seek out attractive women and mate with them, their genes being better for the offspring to have, it is only natural that following your instinctive urge makes you more relaxed. Just like having a beautiful home makes you more relaxed.

    It isn’t just the beauty in people that we covet strongly: look around you, every single object around you is shaped and colored with aesthetics in mind. The lamps, the clothes, the table, the chair, the floor, even something as simple as a fork or a coin. We crave beauty more than almost anything else, only our cravings for food and shelter are stronger. Understanding why we crave beauty so much is a neglected field of research.

    Add to this the fact that more attractive people are on average more intelligent:

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/are-beautiful-people-more-intelligent-well-95969

    The graphs show the general positive association holds for both sexes with “very attractive” women more intelligent than “very unattractive” women by about 6 IQ points on average. For “very attractive” men, they are more intelligent than “very unattractive” men by about 8 IQ points on average.

    Better genes, simply put. Ever seen what people with mental retardation look like? Hideous, they are.

    Intelligent people show a tendency to marry other intelligent people. A higher intelligence means less stupid fights, more self-restraint and an ability to understand other people better. This must be a further explanation why life with a beautiful spouse would work out better.

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    • look around you, every single object around you is shaped and colored with aesthetics in mind.
      —————————————————————————————————–

      true,

      but sometimes you just wanna get the job done:

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      • To a grunt, seeing a Warthog coming to kill you’re enemies is a vision of beauty!

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      • I dunno… I’ve always found the “Warthog” to have a rather menancing visage that suits its terror induction psychological effect quite nicely when grinding up Hajis and Towelheads with 30mm efficiency.

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      • Even the Warthog, made entirely for practical purposes, has symbols on the side that are created with aesthetics in mind. Color, shape, etc. Verily, the aesthetic considerations are everywhere. You can easily count more than a thousand aesthetic considerations in your own home. Kids should learn in school to look at aesthetics from an evolutionary perspective, instead of learning that “Everyone is beautiful!” and “There is no such thing as beauty, the media only make you think that to sell more products!”

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  9. Real shocka, that.

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  10. but in the article does it not seem like the guy with the hotter wife is acting like a traditional beta provider because he’s so excited to have ‘lucked out’? doesn’t seem like the best attitude. so maybe he’s happy to have her and just doesn’t realize i’m what’s keeping the wife happy.

    also was ch listening to rush today? this figured prominently early on, he was likewise unsurprised obviously.

    lastly– living with 99.999% of women could never be construed as ‘lucking out’.

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    • on November 21, 2013 at 5:24 pm Hugh G. Rection

      A sneaky man could of course put some fake reviews in there… Social media sucks.

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    • LAWLZ. “Dating someone without a full dossier on them can be scary.” Oh no, the horrors of mystery.

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    • Pathetic. Yet another device for the “strong empowered woman” to continue to defang and control men utterly. I would wear a low rating on this shite app as a badge of pride. #Rapeyvibe #GivesFacials #Neanderthal

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  11. “Dark
    “They didn’t seem to be quite as motivated to help out their wives when they were more attractive than their wives.”

    Can verify. I dated a guy who was more attractive than me and he never wanted to get close. His emotional detachment seemed alluring but I should have realized it was never going to work. I didn’t accept it at the time because of my inflated self worth.”

    NO.

    You didn’t accept it at the time due to your deflated self worth.

    You knew immediately that the guy was out of your league, but like most women you have masochistic tendencies. You wanted to prove to yourself that you could get such a guy in order to pump up your self esteem.

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  12. Truth be told,

    there is nothing more depressing thn being with a woman you know to be a full point or more below you.

    Interestingly enough, this is how most men end up…..

    living lives of quiet desperation…….

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  13. Someone has to make sure we don’t evolve to have flippers on dry land. Personality is nice, but someone has to make sure that vulnerability to lethal parasites, and virulences are addressed in some way. Surely some outward sign of this like “beauty” and “attraction” might serve this function. Who? Who I wonder has been chosen to make sure that the human body remains road worthy?

    And we all know that “good personality” is just another fitness measure of a completely different type, entrusted to something else, some other sex linked trait.

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  14. Best thing for men to do…

    Look rugged or ugly on the outside, be a stud on the inside.

    Make sure your inside is a full two points higher than whatever attractiveness she is bringing to the table.

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  15. “If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life, you better afford to have a pretty woman as your wife”

    Would have to be a more accurate.

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  16. …. The results from this study won’t surprise you….

    Trouble is, the good citizens of Betaville will deny these truths to the bitter end.

    I told a lesser beta friend of mine about CH. After he read a few articles, he rang me and accused me of sending him to “misogynistic hate sites.” Wasn’t joking.

    Someone like that will cling to the pedestal they’ve constructed- they’ll spit out any red pills.

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    • Check out Yuri Besmenov on Youtube. What you describe is called ideological subversion in an advanced stage.

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    • You can’t win them all. Some people are fanatic conformists who will always cling to the orthodoxy of their day. Your friend would have been a fanatic Maoist in 1960s China; a fanatic Stalinist in 1940s Russia; a fanatic Christian in Medieval Europe. Had he been an American living in 1774, he would have worshipped King George and monarchy; in 1783, he would have worshipped General Washington and republicanism. These people are selfish cowards, and that is their survival strategy. They are not thinking human beings like you and me. They can solve mathematical problems just fine, sure, but they have walls in their minds because they know they profit from having that. Really, there should be two words for humans. The A humans and the B humans, perhaps.

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  17. “Ever seen what people with mental retardation look like? Hideous, they are.”

    I knew a six-year-old retarded boy who was the handsome child I have ever seen. His mother was a hideous landwhale, though. Of course, he was the exception.

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  18. Which poets revel in biological realities?

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    • High Windows
      BY PHILIP LARKIN
      When I see a couple of kids
      And guess he’s fucking her and she’s
      Taking pills or wearing a diaphragm,
      I know this is paradise

      Everyone old has dreamed of all their lives—
      Bonds and gestures pushed to one side
      Like an outdated combine harvester,
      And everyone young going down the long slide

      To happiness, endlessly. I wonder if
      Anyone looked at me, forty years back,
      And thought, That’ll be the life;
      No God any more, or sweating in the dark

      About hell and that, or having to hide
      What you think of the priest. He
      And his lot will all go down the long slide
      Like free bloody birds. And immediately

      Rather than words comes the thought of high windows:
      The sun-comprehending glass,
      And beyond it, the deep blue air, that shows
      Nothing, and is nowhere, and is endless.

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    • Iron and Wine – Lovers’ Revolution

      I came to you, and you to me
      And we were tapping on the window
      At the children when the piggy bank broke

      Pitching quite a fit
      About how the makers of the medicine
      Will always say you’re looking sick

      I came to you, and you to me
      And we would whimper to the women
      Washing milk off of their formal white clothes

      But the funny thing
      Was how when god was in his people
      We were dreaming about who else to be

      And all the fingers that we damaged
      When all we wanted
      Was a diamond ring

      I came to you, and you to me
      And we were barking at the drug dogs
      Blood dried black on their hands

      And never realized
      You never tussle with a giant
      ‘Til you can hit him right between the eyes

      And that no matter how we chewed it
      We’d be choking on a comprise
      ‘Cause all the jaws, all the claws

      Lay restless by the riverside
      And it wasn’t muscle in the shadow
      That was shoving us into the light

      I came to you, and you to me
      And we were snatching at a war baby’s bottle
      Just to trade it for change

      But now it’s come to pass
      That every eye beneath the mountain
      Saw the smoke but no one heard the blast

      And no one knew the arm was broken
      Although everybody signed the cast
      And until the government was good

      She said “Man, I thought you’d never ask”
      That when love wore out her welcome
      They just booked her for a bag of grass

      That while she cried on the cross
      We were sucking on the laughing gas
      And when the head had left the body, not a flag was hanging half-mast

      I came to you, and you to me
      And then we lost our old lovers’ revolution but it started again
      Now we’re one

      One of the parade wake widows walking home into the setting sun
      One of the soldiers lost in the dreams that never lose the gun
      One of the wise men wandering the podium without a tongue
      One of the trophies tarnished by the mess we made of being young
      One of the prayers one of the promises swallowed with our chewing gum
      One of the deaf ears dumber all the time for all the years of drums
      One of the wide-eyed soap boxes buried under Washington
      One of the beat cops combing every sidewalk crack for love
      One of the crowded stars uncounted when the map was done
      One of the withered in the garden left to wonder when the rain will come

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  19. Guys, I found this while lingering through the net. To me, it is a funny, karmic, maybe even feminist way to acknowledge women’s intuitive breakup tactics toward their exes. Check it out (it’s in spanish, tho). http://www.creatividadpublicitaria.net/2013/07/un-comercial-para-ponerselo-tu-ex.html?spref=fb&m=1

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  20. I’ve thought about the quote “if you want to have a happy life dont make a hot woman your wife” quite a bit. What I do know is that some of the most bitter, jealous and angry women have been unattractive wives, average woman looking wives, hot wives, etc. Women, after some time, will always find something to be pissed off about. There are simply too many variables that are outside a man’s control.

    Case in point: someone gets sick, a child dies, a job loss or a loss of a business. An argument ensues in the extended family and a legal war breaks out. Again, too many variables. Especially when a woman’s sex drive diminishes after menopause there are simply no more tingles to be generated from game lol.

    Marriage, from a romance point of view, is good for the first 10 years. After that, its all about the kids, finances, and community. If you can find a woman that is good with balancing all of those then you are in the clear. An entitlement queen, on the other hand, will make your life a living hell, regardless of her looks. Two of the meanest most vicious bitches I know were BOTH entitlement queens.

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  21. Hmm… interesting…

    http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/human-biology/love-make-pupils-dilate1.htm

    In response to attraction, the brain secretes norepinephrine, which then flexes the eyeball’s dilator muscles . Therefore, men may unwittingly read pupil dilation as an advertisement of interest.

    Studying women’s preferences for male pupil sizes wasn’t so predictable, however. A 2002 study at York University identified medium-sized pupils as most appealing to many female participants . Whereas men seek out the maximum sexual attraction, as hinted at by women’s fully dilated pupils, the same isn’t true of women seeking men, probably because unbridled sexual attraction in males has greater chance of fostering overly aggressive or violent behavior . Medium pupils, on the other hand, indicate interest but not blinding lust.

    Their conclusions are off. Women don’t seem to mind aggressive, violent behavior from alpha males (cough Rihanna cough). But it would appear that a woman will be less likely to go after you if you have dilated pupils, which signal that you’re a beta male who isn’t used to being around such an attractive woman and couldn’t handle her.

    You must not just pretend to be aloof alpha, but be aloof alpha.

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    • You, uh, said “women” and “Rihanna” in the same sentence.

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      • Chris Brown said he lost his virginity at the age of 8.To which a bunch of rap guys said,”Wow,late bloomer!”

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      • This morning I was getting out of bed with my girlfriend and she said, “One of my friends says she thinks you may be a pedophile.” I was shocked!! And replied, “I can’t beleive you said pedophile properly, that is a big ass word for a 7 year old.”

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  22. Beautiful women marry better off men. Men with more money are going to be satisfied about life overall. The income of the husband, not the woman’s attractiveness, is the main factor is marital happiness.
    There should be research from couples in other countries since gdp per capita has been shown to be the main factor of happiness in countries.

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  23. Before the young men rush out and marry the prettiest gal they can, think. Do you really want to get married?

    It would have been interesting to compare men married with prettier wives to men not married, either divorced or never married, but with hot girl friends.

    Or, men with dogs.

    I saw an article about a photographer who offers to take pictures of owners and their pets (dogs) just before the pet dies or is put down because of some terminal illness. As a memento, of sorts. That article prompted a flood of letters from people about their departed pets (mostly dogs) for whom they felt total love and devotion, describing the love for their pets as equaling or surpassing love they felt for humans.

    At first I was a bit put off by this (I had one dog as a youth, my fast friend for my entire young life until age 18, but, I got over his death.)

    However, humans in love are very happy. They can be in love with art, music, literature, etc. When you consider it, love for a mere dog is not so odd. It is safe to completely love a dog, with every ounce of your devotion. He will never cheat on you, rob you, leave you, disrespect you, or hate you. He will return in full all your love and devotion. He will fight and die for you.

    About what human in your life can you say that?

    Anyhow, back to the topic. I hope young men don’t think that a pretty wife will make them happy necessarily. Imagine a pretty woman, high upkeep, high strung, but cold in bed versus a less attractive women with a good body who loves sex, is clever, makes good conversation, cooks well, and keeps a well ordered and pleasant house.

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    • The most important thing is that she age well even if only decent looking. Some women don’t hit their peak beauty until after 30.

      [CH: i’ve yet to meet one of these rare specimens.]

      That’s the kind you want as far as looks are concerned.

      [happy hunting]

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      • Elizabeth Berkeley (Saved By The Bell & Show Girls–this broad has certainly contributed to the culture) is on DWTS,and she is quoted as saying she”feels” more sexy now than she did during her younger years. LOL! She is more self confident. Ok,Liz,you’re married have a child,you feel less pressure,more confident,so you “feel” sexy. But do not cross that line,madam,do NOT dare imply that because of your “maturity” you actuallt ARE more sexy!

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      • Some women decay slower than others, thereby moving up the ranks — relatively. So they are on top of the heap later, but the heap has slid downhill.

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      • Almost no one gets prettier after 25/30.
        Exceptions do exist, of course, and they are usually found among those who had the misfortune of being overfed as children/teens and managed to beat the very long odds of losing the excess weight later in life.

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      • My 31yo GF is smokin. True 9. She’s Latina.

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    • Imagine a pretty woman, high upkeep, high strung, but cold in bed versus a less attractive women with a good body who loves sex, is clever, makes good conversation, cooks well, and keeps a well ordered and pleasant house.

      Why would attraction exclude those other traits? When people talk about attractive women being bitchy or bad in bed I always think, “Sour said the fox.”

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      • Beauty is uncommon. So are the other traits I noted above in a desirable wife. Since few men (even the alpha’s) will get everything they want in a wife, it is only common sense to balance beauty with other positive qualities.

        It has been observed by others that when you see a beautiful women, what you aren’t seeing are two or three men who are tired of her shit.

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      • Ive seen ugly wives treat better looking husbands with great disrespect, belittling them for everything because the men were not alpha towards the wife or did not have stable finances.

        [CH: yep. husbands love that loving feeling when their wives get fat and ugly. disregard follows. wives lose that loving feeling when their husbands get weak and helpless. disrespect follows.]

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      • You will see it a hell of a lot more in the future I can promise you that. I am completely taken aback by the amount of very decent looking dudes I see out with absolute chubbers. When women as a collective whole have decided to let themselves go to shit, what choice do men have? And I’m not even speaking of the poor married suckers. I see young guys out who in some cases are classically handsome with some ugos. Again, since Americans have decided to become gelatinous blobs, what’s your play?

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      • Yeah, I’ve known ugly women who have nothing but scorn for their decent-looking man. I’m pretty sure these women hate their husbands because they know he wasn’t man enough to get a better woman. It’s fucked up.

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      • One could always marry a chubby woman with a good looking face. Then, he can tell her that he wants a child but is afraid of his wife developing diabetes, since she is fat. She’ll lose weight and keep it off. Keep telling her she would be a bad mother if she got fat and she’ll listen.

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    • That bad attitude can be negged away. I just make a laconic comment about city people being useless and not respecting people who can’t work with their hands at all. That a true lady rolls up her sleaves and gets down to physical work in tough times, work builds character, and binds one with nature, etc. It’s amazingly effective. It’s also true.

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    • on November 22, 2013 at 2:56 pm haunted trilobite

      M Scott Peck wrote a book called the Road Less Traveled, mentioning the topic of love towards an animal. (It’s quite a selfish, self-serving love, as you foster the animal’s dependence. Love that they’re so helpless without you.) He related it to US soldiers who took home beautiful Korean wives after the war. The marriages often went swimmingly while there was no possible means of communication, but as soon as she learned to tok engrish, the divorce rates started to go up

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      • I can personally guarantee you that there is nothing ‘selfish’ or ‘self-serving’ in love for an animal.
        Especially not when said animal is handicapped and you’ve moved heaven and earth (including financially) to make them not handicapped.

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      • on November 24, 2013 at 6:58 pm haunted trilobite

        I take your personal guarantee to be valid for you personally. Those familiar with ‘game’ are prone to deep introspection, so I believe you to be sincere in your assertions, especially in the context of your story. However, speaking generally, a lot of pet owners are motivated by selfishness. Take for example a pit-bull/doberman/etc owner who enjoys the image his dog conveys of him – it’s very self-serving. And that’s just one example among a million of ways owners self-servingly or selfishly love their pets. I didn’t do Peck’s theory justice in my brief synopsis – if you were to read it, I bet you’d see that he raises some legitimate points

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  24. I hear Charles Manson is getting married to a hot, young woman. I think that’s pretty good proof that when women say they want “bad boys” they actually mean “outright violent criminals”.

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  25. […] A new study has apparently put the lie to that old song with the lyrics “If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife”.  […]

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    • That was cruel.

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    • Since I don’t want to lose my breakfast, I’m not clicking that link, but I did laugh at the use of the (increasingly ubiquitous, always amusing, and utterly delusional) phrase “real beauty” so thank you for that.

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      • What I don’t understand is the insistence on this idea that every woman is beautiful. Only a few things are beautiful; some things look better than others. Beauty is measure of what looks best. Scarcity is a key factor in determining it.

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      • Well, it’s another one of those pretty lies, isn’t it. Repeated often enough and it becomes the tr… no, still unbelievable. Less of a mystery when one considers it’s typically some fug who’s desperately spouting the line.

        As for scarcity, I’m not so sure. There’s perhaps something to that, but symmetry and proportion are more important, imo. Maybe it’s just that those qualities are rare, and we confuse cause and effect, or something.

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  26. […] Excuse me, I was channeling your typical feminist there for a moment. If you’re a CH acolyte, you … […]

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  27. Heartiste, when are you getting married, and are you inviting your dear readers to the reception?

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  28. I agree. Being a mid-40’s MWM for 18+ years, I can attest that having a great looking wife makes a happier marriage. It does not change due to your age. When you are in your late 20’s / early 30’s and your wife is great looking, you do work hard to be successful, make good money and DHV. If she is attractive, she had options and yet, she chose you. You want to make her happy and keep the relationship strong. There are lots of single dudes who will hit on your wife and you want to make sure you are the one bangin’ her every night.

    In your 40’s / early 50’s it is no different. You have to possess SMV balance otherwise the option equation still takes hold. There are plenty of divorced dudes with $$$ who had lousy marriages and will hit on your wife. If she works and can support herself, you must workout, stay fit and look good. In my case, I do all of that, make very good coin and know my SMV too. I also ‘game my wife’ and strategically flirt with women in our social circles to remind her that she is not the only one who can attract others. Nothing is better than to get a text from your wife (from across the room) at a party that asks you ..”I thought you liked brunettes?” I respond with a ‘What’s a guy to do?” and look forward to bangin’ her hard and long that night.

    My wife may not be as hot as she was at age 28, bit she is still the best looking girl in the room and her ‘frenemies’ are all jealous of her. She has a great life with an awesome husband, great house, kid, dog etc. She knows it too. Even though she would have dudes lined up at her front door if we ever split, she fears it entirely. She knows she is on the downside of her SMV and she sees her friends that are crazy, lonely and attract few suitors are all miserable.

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  29. See, whiney Betas? Women really do have it worse. You can change yourself. Women cant change their looks. Not really.

    Yes they’re depraved and want to drink pee. But what poor creature wouldn’t?

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  30. Had a date last night. Girl practically invited herself back to my place for drinks. We are hanging out listening to music. My arm’s around her which she seems to like, we kiss a couple times, dance a little bit. Later when I try to put my arm around her and pull her into me she tells me that I “need to calm down” and I’m “coming on too strong”. I was trying to have her sit close and kiss me some more. She ended up hanging out for a while longer. Date ended well enough, I guess. Got a goodnight kiss and she told me to text her.

    Any tips on what to do with that? How to change that resistant energy?

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    • Any girl that comes back to your place is going to visit your bathroom- its a given.

      When she comes out, accuse her of touching your gun. She will deny it but keep the pressure on till she cracks.

      If she won’t crack, tell her to get out.

      Her confession will arrive shortly thereafter.

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    • Yeah, ignore her and plow. Once you’re that far, she’s willing. But most women put up token resistance. It’s kind of fucked up, but it’s true. A lot of women enjoy having their resistance overcome.

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      • But a lot of women, especially the younger ones, are conditioned to think that unless the guy sits her down and asks her very politely if he can kiss her, it’s rape. What you’re suggesting is likely going to end in a rape accusation, especially if alcohol is involved.

        If the girl is genuinely uncomfortable, back off.

        This is what happens to us when too many sluts start using safe words instead of “no”

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  31. just keeping engaging her but don’t seem overeager. if she persists in brushing off your advances just don’t call her anymore.

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  32. seems like my last comment has been compromised

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  33. Appologies CH,
    This is where it gets confusing,we know that asshole
    behaviours are great but now we say
    that if the guy invests more since he thinks that “he had a great deal” with the wife i.e appreciates the wife more in actions,
    the marriage (or LTR) becomes hapier.
    Where does the “jerk” fall in place here?

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  34. please CH my last comment might have gone to spam as ironthumb. thanks

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  35. […] A Hot Wife Means A Happier Marriage – “[M]en are happier with attractive women and women don’t care as much about men’s looks. Stop the goddamned presses! You mean men and women are…*GASP*…different?” – @chateau heartiste. (^_^) – original research article. […]

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