Is It Time To Rethink Democracy?

An article over at Zero Hedge argues that democracy is self-cannibalizing, and that an attack on first principles is needed to stop it from consuming itself.

The Editor-in-Chief of the otherwise quiet and non-descript Global Custodian magazine has written what can pass for an extremely controversial if not outright revolutionary essay on the topic of democracy, and specifically how our current regime has cannibalized itself, and is in dire need of a “revolution.” Dominic Hobson says: “In a market, the cumulative expenditure of the modestly endowed easily trumps the expenditure of the rich. And even the rich are ultimately answerable to the market: They became rich by satisfying customers, and will remain rich only so long as they (or their investments) continue to satisfy consumers. Consumer sovereignty is far more powerful a constraint on the rich than political sovereignty. Indeed, even the erosion of the rich by democracy is ultimately self-defeating, for it eliminates that class of men and women in public life who are under no financial pressure to remain at their posts, pursuing policies in which they no longer believe. It is no coincidence that the democratization of politics has been accompanied by a decline in resignations on points of principle or of honor. The vast majority of modern politicians simply needs the money. But even the restoration of a rentier political class would not be enough to restore the blessings of good government. As long as politicians must compete for votes, they cannot govern honestly, or even disinterestedly. They cannot reverse decisions or policies that have proved unworkable. They must persist, even in intellectual error, and cannot escape a certain narrowness of vision. To release politicians from this predicament, a revolution is required. That revolution must be one not of blood, but of constitutional and political ideas. It must put an end to democracy without limits, before the prosperity of the species is destroyed and liberty extinguished…The only lasting solution to the plague of unlimited democracy is to attack democracy at its moral foundation: the political equality of the citizen.” Well, the Greeks seem to have been wrong about a whole lot of other things. Is it so alien to ponder whether they also screwed up the most taken for granted concept of modern society as well?

The dishonesty of politicians competing for votes in an unlimited democratic system is exacerbated by an ethnically and racially diverse populace. This is because diversity is the crucible of hate; it breeds short-sightedness and antagonism, as human groups unequal in status demand of their representatives policies that continue and strengthen parasitic relationships even when the long term consequence of such vengeful and envious voting behavior is national diminution.

Does the Declaration of Independence rest on a falsehood? The rapidly rising flood of computational genetic research is providing evidence for everything from innate differences in intelligence to criminal inclination to altruistic impulse. The conclusion slowly being forged by (re)familiarity with reality is that all men are not created equal. Born equal under the law? Perhaps, yes. Though that too might change with a broader understanding of human brain architecture and the associated debasement of free will. But created equal? No. Some men are worth more than others, and maybe from the moment of birth. The ugliest truth of all. We all know this deep down in the pit of our souls; it is why jockeying for position in the sexual market — and ultimately for progeny with a genetic leg up over the competition — is fought with such a vicious and primitive compulsion. Fear of failure in the one market to rule them all is the inspiration of nightmares.

As I have said before, for big picture realists to win the last battle against the sickeningly malevolent forces of equalism and utopianism, they must attack and defeat the first principles of the enemy. Playing by the enemy’s rules won’t work. That is the road to a superficial stalemate shifting inexorably away from truth and deeper into lies. The realists can attack in a number of ways, perhaps by triangulating with bold and sadistic truthbomb throwers like your humble narrator, thereby affording themselves an immunity to instant transmutation by the borg collective of our ruling class. The equalists know that if their cherished Original Meme is exposed and discredited they lose their power to shameswarm infidels into silence. Thus, this is why they act as if their assumptions are infallible, inarguable, and why they ferociously fight along distant borderlands, well away from central command.

Look what democracy has gotten us to date: mounds of debt, ponzi scheme entitlements, blood spilt in wars for ingrates, injustices committed in service of outcome-based equality, nation-abnegating open borders, historical whitewashing, loss of national pride, and a relentless fusillade of lies to prop it all up. The system is rotten to the core.

Solutions:

  • Restrict voting to net taxpayers. Net tax recipients wail forlornly on the sidelines. Downsides: Impractical. How would we measure who is a net taxpayer before each election? Fosters revolt among the parasites. Every so often the productive will have to put down rebellions by the disenfranchised. Risk that the productive will direct all government largesse to themselves. Highly eugenic in practice. Parasites die in the streets once largesse spigot is turned off. Can the productive tolerate the tooth and claw nature of true progress? Upside: Encourages return to traditional notion of nation-state as territory for a relatively homogeneous population.
  • Repeal the 17th Amendment. Return to state legislatures appointing Senators, as the Founders intended. Decentralization helps reduce corruption; state legislators are more beholden to the voice of their constituents than are 100 Senators in DC.
  • Repeal the 26th Amendment. As lifespans and, consequently, educational years, adolescence, and time spent on parents’ dole, increase, it makes less sense for 18 year olds to have the right to vote their callow consciences into law.
  • Institute a national referendum for big decisions involving war, taxation, and immigration. The ruling class hates this idea because they know it will mean an end to their beloved utopian transnationalism. Anti-American open borders traitors would get the comeuppance they so richly deserve.
  • Benign monarchy. Could it be any worse than what we have now?
  • Secession. A breakup of the USA into manageable territories of people with similar morals, outlooks, tastes, abilities and temperaments.

The era of “huddled masses yearning to breathe free” and sentimental equalist ideology is about to meet an ignominious end. The era of vigilant realism dawns. May the light of the truth guide our way. Ah-fucking-men.





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  2. on July 18, 2010 at 7:00 pm Cannon's Canon

    i’ve become intrigued by the idea of fascism, the right kind anyway

    ZH is a fantastic site, daily reading for me

    and the comment threads even break into the subject of jews!
    (no those are not all me using different names)

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  3. on July 18, 2010 at 7:06 pm greatbooksformen

    yah yah roiissy i agree

    i think the declaration of independence is ok good as long as we adhered to the constitution

    see what jefferso menat by created queal is that as humans we have equla rights.

    now the ofunding fathers were smart like me so they created a costtutionwhich couldn’t ron the people and that would not be allowed to rob the people to create socila problems and no central bank either lzozlzlzlzozzoo

    the ofunding father sknew tat the people would vote themselves money in a doemcracy and so thy did things like saying that you coudln’t do this and also no central bank lozlzozlzozzzooz ND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COULDN’T override states and

    most importantly

    they couldn’t do anthing not in the constitution

    and it is not in the constitutuin that you can robe poepl blind lzozlzozolzlzlzozlzlzozozzoz

    but al thta is fucked as the fiat dollar butthexers cartel have been running us since 1913 and their fvaoite son is tucker max which rhyme siwth goldman sax. zlzozllz

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  4. on July 18, 2010 at 7:12 pm Miles Anderson

    1) We don’t have a democracy, we have a mostly republic like thing with democratic elements thrown in here and there. Your comment about repealing amendment 17 is about going back towards being a republic. Our founding fathers talked about balance and that is one aspect of that balance. I wonder if going towards a more decentralized republic where the states are smaller and more coupled and it is harder to gain global power would be better.

    2) Only a small portion of the people at the time of the founding of this country could vote. I can’t remember what the number is off the top of my head but I think you had to own something like $250 in land which limited the voting public to something <10%. One of those inconvenient truths that isn't taught in school.

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  5. Try living in China…see what a one-party state is like.

    Democracy may not be perfect, but the utter lack of any type of transparency, the purges of anyone who has shown even the slightest bit of sympathy for widening the voice of people, the synchophantic mean longer-term there will be a revolution and it will be ugly.

    One rather amusing story about what it’s like living in China: the Falun Gong, is a group branded an “evil cult” in 1999 following the discovery that its influence was so widespread in China. Their founder lives in the US and advocates breathing exercises like Tai Chi.

    A friend’s father had been living in a housing complex where late at night, a group of seniors would get together and do exercises, play loud music, sing and otherwise cause a disturbance of the peace that made it hard to sleep for this man.

    He would call the local police and complain about the noise and the lazy, corrupt police would push back saying “Ah, it’s a free country, people can gather and do what they like blah blah blah.”

    The noise from the seniors’ music got to be so bad that he couldn’t take it anymore and the police wouldn’t do anything about his noise complaints so he got an idea.

    He called the police and in low hushed tones advised them that a group of people were gathered outside and “Might be Falun Gong engaging in ‘cult-like’ activities”.

    Within minutes a police van was on the scene and the noise magically stopped.

    That’s what living in a non-democratic country where there is no freedom of religion or gathering is like. Enforcement of rule and laws is based on political considerations rather than anything else

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  6. Seems to me that Democracy works well, provided young single women are not allowed vote.

    They bring an emotional, irrational quality to politics, and have always been the bedrock of the Left. Most of the Obama zombies were under 30.

    Bring the voting age for males to 21, and the age for women to 30 – that’s all the reform you will need.

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  7. Roissy,

    Thank you for the reply. I agree with about 95% of this “comprehensive and practical” plan… But I am sad to say that it will never happen.

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  8. You’re asking for it now. I expect record comments on this thread.

    Someone’s gong to say it, so I will first:

    “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the rest.” – Churchill.

    We see the flaws inherent in a democracy because we live in one (on paper). If we lived in a dictatorship, we’d see its flaws.

    You’ve got a plaintive cry here, but your solution is no solution. Democracy was meant to be the solution to the same problem in every form of government. All it means is that we’re human and ideologies have assumed control over the American voting public.

    I’d add that dictators are always appointed (when they are) by people who need help. And these people inevitably come to regret their decisions.

    “Make me your leader, and I will make the trains run / give you bread / beat those damned foreigners.”

    It never turns out well.

    Look what democracy has gotten us to date: (1) mounds of debt, (2) ponzi scheme entitlements, (3) blood spilt in wars for ingrates, (4) injustices committed in service of outcome-based equality, (5) nation-abnegating open borders, (6) historical whitewashing, (7) loss of national pride, and (8) a relentless fusillade of lies to prop it all up. (9)The system is rotten to the core.

    I’ll add some:
    (10) Pointless wars that are ill-conceived and return nothing
    (11) Mass internal repression and death
    (12) Political instability leading to frequent and bloody regime change, to little improvement
    (13) Conquest and death and concomitant social collapse
    (14) Environmental abuse and eventual social collapse*

    * Due to tragedy of the commons, happens everywhere without concerted social control.

    Ponzi scheme entitlements I expand to ponzi scheme economics.

    9 applies to human nature as a constant.

    Dictatorships/Monarchies/Tyrranies/Oligarchies:
    Louis XIV France: 1, 2, 3, 9, 6, 7, 8
    Soviet Union: All of the above.
    China: Same. Emphasis on 2.
    Nazi Europe:13, 12, 11, 10, 4 (similar, not the same), 5 (interestingly), 1, 2, 3
    Vlad Tsepesh: 11, 12, 3, 6, 7, 8
    Napoleon: 10, 12, … anyway you get the point.

    Dictators and aristocracies feed themselves, ultimately; the rest of us are just cattle, meant for slaughter and used as tools. The best we can usually do is band together to unseat a dictator and replace him. If he buys us off, fine, but the tension is always there.

    The reasoning surrounding the creation and maintenance of the Roman Republic is useful here.

    “Kings are animals that feed on human flesh.”

    Alas, it requires that the voters know what they’re doing. And the failing of the Republic was its hopeless unbalancing when the rich families assumed control of the state and the citizen armies were replaced (thanks, Marius) with professional armies loyal to a general for their welfare.

    Perhaps a Jeffersonian nation of Yeoman farmers and craftspeople would have been better than an aristocratic executive-led democracy.

    It’s always tempting to seek out a dictator. And that’s almost always a disaster, Octavian Caesar notwithstanding.

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  9. The referendum idea is a pretty good one too. Ireland and Switzerland use it for the really big votes.

    Nothing more enjoyable than watching the elite attempt to play down a result they didn’t want.

    And even if you don’t agree with the result, at least there’s the consolation of blaming most of your compatriots, rather than a few bien-pensants.

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  10. Gorbachev,

    A good post, but you’re being very harsh on Vlad the Impaler. He did the best job he could of protecting his country in nightmarish circumstances.

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  11. Less politics, more social dynamics.

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  12. Thomas Friedman is a reliable indicator of stupidity. If he backs it, its stupid. He’s wanted China’s oligarchy to … ram through Obama’s program. Including global warming carbon taxes, open borders, “end of Whiteness” and other stuff.

    America’s problem is making the oligarchy ruling things come to heel by … punishing them. Taking away wealth, power, social position, which runs right up to women’s desire for princes and hereditary aristocracy. It means basically a male voting bloc to counter the female one.

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  13. good points.

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  14. As for your solutions:

    Restrict voting to net taxpayers. Net tax recipients wail forlornly on the sidelines. Downsides: Impractical. How would we measure who is a net taxpayer before each election?

    Base it on the last tax year. Excellent idea. The original landowner restriction was meant to accomplish this. As wealth is now not all land, this might work.

    Fosters revolt among the parasites. Every so often the productive will have to put down rebellions by the disenfranchised.

    These will become frequent. So they need to be encouraged to become taxpayers.

    Risk that the productive will direct all government largesse to themselves.

    This will always happen, which is why democracy is crucial. We need to be able to target those who feed themselves.
    Now, government is too opaque. It’s government by bureaucracy.

    Highly eugenic in practice. Parasites die in the streets once largesse spigot is turned off. Can the productive tolerate the tooth and claw nature of true progress? Upside: Encourages return to traditional notion of nation-state as territory for a relatively homogeneous population.

    Not necessarily; expect members of the successful “group” not to be members of the same race/language/subculture. They may eventually blend, but this is not guaranteed.

    Repeal the 17th Amendment. Return to state legislatures appointing Senators, as the Founders intended. Decentralization helps reduce corruption; state legislators are more beholden to the voice of their constituents than are 100 Senators in DC.

    Or disband the Senate. It’s not necessary to have two elected legislatures. Either the legislature reflects the will of the people or not.
    We can devolve more powers to the states and reduce the ability of the federal government to interfere in these.

    Repeal the 26th Amendment. As lifespans and, consequently, educational years, adolescence, and time spent on parents’ dole, increase, it makes less sense for 18 year olds to have the right to vote their callow consciences into law.

    Not that young people vote in any numbers. But this isn’t game-changing in and of itself. It’s just decoration.

    Institute a national referendum for big decisions involving war, taxation, and immigration. The ruling class hates this idea because they know it will mean an end to their beloved utopian transnationalism. Anti-American open borders traitors would get the comeuppance they so richly deserve.

    This makes the most sense. Can be done with technology. I would extend it to any issue large enough to get voter response. The referendums would have to be binding and not just plebiscites; and they would have to require a quorum of votes, a minimum of voter expectations. Will make government clunky and difficult to manage. Expect huge social division.

    Benign monarchy. Could it be any worse than what we have now?

    Um. Yes. Much worse. Monarchies are rarely benign. And they seldom remain so.

    Secession. A breakup of the USA into manageable territories of people with similar morals, outlooks, tastes, abilities and temperaments.

    This could be effecgive, but will likely require war – death – mass dislocation – destruction – and possibly decades if not generations for recovery.

    Watch for these chaotic small states to fracture themselves into smaller states. Watch for financial chaos; watch for fratricidal warfare.

    These things are no longer options for us, in a pragmatic sense.

    OTHER SOLUTION:

    Close borders and assimilate those here. Find the best way and manage it. Otherwise, learn to live with them.

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  15. Roissy,

    You’re looking for utopias yourself.

    You have to face facts at some point, being rational.

    It may just come down to management. Utopia may never arrive.

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  16. on July 18, 2010 at 7:37 pm shoutingthomas

    It’s surprising, Roissy. Every once in a while you display evidence of some degree of intelligence.

    The question remains: How much more of your life are you going to waste on this pitiful pussy hounding and barfly drivel?

    You’ve got an audience of 30 year olds who live and beat off in their parents’ basements. That’s got to be very fulfilling.

    Do you have any plans for an adult life?

    You’re just a fucking jerk right now, Roissy. You and your idiot cult followers will of course answer that the reason is feminism.

    Men find a way to define their own lives, Roissy. Every generation faces evil. Your generation is no different.

    Wasting your life, and your intellect, on this garbage… well, what can I say, kid. You’ve taken the bait. You’re hooked on fighting back against the idiots.

    You’re stuck in the tar baby, and you’re too damned obsessed with your sexual and emotional problems to see it.

    You’re a fool and a waste of time, kid.

    And, you don’t have to be a jerk to get a lot of pussy. That just happens to be the method you prefer.

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  17. 1) America was never intended to be a Democracy but a Constitutional Republic. Democracy was the way that the Left smuggled in Socialism through the back door.

    2) Laissez Faire with the total elimination of the welfare state, the regulatory state, the victimless crime laws, public education and all affirmative action programs would essentially eliminate all of the ills that America is now suffering.

    3) True Laissez Faire would not result in the poor or low IQ masses dying in the street. It is not “eugenic”. That is pure bullshit. True capitalism would expand the wealth of everyone even the low IQers.

    4) Roissey, you are absolutely clueless on the nature of Laissez Faire and the economics of capitalism. True free markets are not a zero-sum game. That is a Leftist lie which you have bought into. Capitalism is based on the gains-through-trade principle; ie on the primacy of production. It is an open ended system not a closed system that mandates predation. Again that is a Progressivist, Marxist and Leftist lie.

    5) No matter what science uncovers about brain architecture, free will is not in danger of being “debased.” You are using a straw man definition of free will. Free will is unassailable. Trying to use science to discredit free will is pure reductionism or scientism. It is a misuse of science, something you BioCons do regularly.

    6) Immigration under Laissez Faire would not be a problem. Also, open immigration does not mean open borders. The main problem is the welfare state and the altruistic and egalitarian ideologies that make it possible. True individualism would hold that everyone is responsible for themselves with no government handouts ever being allowed. That type of society has never been tried.

    7) A rational approach to political rights does not depend on statistical averages of attributes found among racial groups. There is no way that a racialist philosophy can not degenerate into racial collectivism and tribalist warfare.

    8) True solutions to our societal ills:

    * Abolish welfare state and all entitlement programs
    * Abolish public education. Education must be freed of ALL government intrusion
    * Abolish all affirmative action and anti-discrimination programs
    * Abolish all subsidized housing and education programs. The government must get the hell out of the economy especially the universities and housing
    * Total Laissez Faire in banking – abolish the Federal Reserve and allow a free market of money to form. It will probably by a combination of gold and silver but it will be a hard currency. No more government paper money.
    * Government must not be involved in health care, energy production, insurance, in ANYTHING. Total separation of state and economics
    * Abolish all victimless crime laws. Legalized drugs, gambling, prostitution and with no licensing. Watch organized crime organizations (Mafias) disappear and crime rates plummet.
    * Implement a civil legal system overhaul. End “deep pocket” tort ideology and end the egalitarian themed marriage redistribution laws.
    * The problem is not no-fault divorce. Keeping two people in a marriage they don’t want is not the solution. Ending the welfare redistribution conception of divorce law is what it necessary. If women knew in advance that they would get little or nothing of a man’s wealth upon divorce they would be more reluctant to initiate divorce.
    * End all sacrificial wars that are waged for the purposes of transforming savage peoples into “democracies”.
    * American war strategy should be outright Roman. When we engage in war it is for the purposes of destroying our enemies not for rebuilding them or helping them.

    What I have outlined is a rational approach to Minarchist libertarianism. It is also a logical extension of Classical Liberalism. Classical Liberalism did not fail. It needs to be purged of its egalitarian flaws.

    A free, libertarian, secular society does not require racialist philosophy or racial collectivism based on statistical averages of traits and attributes viewed through the filter of racial groupings. Diversity does not have to equal war.

    Roissey, you are good at detecting problems but you are not good at proposing solutions. Your specialty is bedding women with poor cognitive training and morally weak foundations. Stick to that.

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  18. Roissy – I approve of your post.

    It interests me that the game/sociobiology/rationalist guys agree on so many issues.

    My view: the fact that an anti-majority radical got elected to the highest office is proof that our system doesn’t work.

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  19. Something that might interest you. A few scanned pages from a 1939 men’s magazine that you and I would agree with..

    The short version is- women like a domineering guy who will hurt them just enough and make them feel helpless. It also indirectly talks about shit-tests, calling out women BS and how women try to make men into submissive shadows of themselves, only to despise them once they do so.

    http://dissention.wordpress.com/2010/07/18/from-the-archives-july-18-2010/

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  20. A breakup of the USA into manageable territories of people with similar morals, outlooks, tastes, abilities and temperaments.

    That’s all very well, but when the individual territories start getting bored with their boundaries and looking for lebensraum (it only takes one), they are going to be a darn sight less manageable.

    Still, the thought of various social groups at one another’s throat as SWPL DC fights to the death with Redneck Virginia over the Appalachians, is intriguing.

    I am actually quite amazed by the restraint of this post in refraining from suggesting the repeal of the 19th Amendment.

    The value of monarchy depends on the quality of the monarch. Human life being finite, even a good monarch will not last forever. A talent for ruling is a combination of a number of genetic traits and, in the absence of cloning, cannot be guaranteed to pass safely down the monarchial line. Also, how would the monarch be chosen?

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  21. Roissy is on fire. On fucking fire.

    I may have more to say as this thread explodes. For now, the bottom line is that republican government (let alone democracy) is only workable under very special demographic circumstances. Switzerland has had it good for a pretty long time, and they are FAR more democratic than the USA. (Certain, uh, malevolent “parties” are trying their damndest to make Zurich look like Tunisia though.)

    Let’s cut the crap: When Thomas Jefferson wrote it is self-evident that “all men” are created equal, he was only referring to White men. Disagree if you wish, but it was of course ASSUMED he meant White men, so he left the word out. It would have sounded stilted in 1776 to qualify “men” with “White” in that sentence of the Declaration.

    And yet, being born a White person of the male sex was not enough to have the franchise in those days! You had to hold property. In other words, as Roissy would put it, the vagabonds and bums got to “wail forlornly” on the political sidelines. As it should be. You want to vote? You need skin in the game. You need demonstrable proof of a having a serious stake in your community. Roissy suggests the “net taxpayer” idea, and admits its imperfections (mainly the difficulty of implementation). For the founders, the screening device was land owning. A crude screen to be sure, but for quick and dirty purposes, it was fine, and far superior to today’s “if-you’re-a-biped-who-can-fog-a-mirror” screen.

    BTW Roissy, here are two Franklin quotes that are appropos:

    “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.”

    “When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”

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  22. There is no utopia. Life is suffering. We must all face old age, sickness and death. All races.

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  23. The ultimate problem is any form of government must be run by human beings.

    Anyway, all of this is over reaction because a Democrat is in office. At some point a Republican will be president again, and all the rage will quiet down once more (even though the two parties are rather similar).

    With respect to divorce, it is far “simpler” for men to stop marrying. Reforming divorce law would take a mighty effort, but no one can actually force a man to get married. Marriage is not necessary for any adult function, including having children.

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  24. @Madmax,

    I’m a “libertarian” in spirit and I buy what you say in principle. BUT:
    Human nature is such that some redistribution is required on some level. We live in communities, and as communal *social* organisms we need corrective mechanisms to bind us. Without these, we risk social collapse.

    We’re not just individuals. We’re deeply social and create communities. We need to govern those. And the first job of the King or the Thug or the Big Guy At The Market is not to line his own pockets: that’s just his fee. His real job is to 1) enforce contracts, 2) Maintain fairness in trade and 3) guarantee exchangeability of goods.

    Getting the government out of everything is impractical. You assume like all idealists that humans are rubber duckies all made in the same factory.

    We’re not. We’re also not rational actors much of the time. Government maintenance and control of standards and intrusion into many areas of the economy has proven stupidly useful in places.

    The Asians think we rabid individualists are shooting ourselves in the foot. Which we are.

    On the other hand, there’s a balance to be struck. The trick is where to call the balance, and in what fields.

    Your call to essentially let the free market handle things, … well, it may be natural, but creating a state is also natural for people, and enforcing codes, power, and the will of majorities/minorities is also natural.

    Face it: We must use both aspects of human sensibilities, individualistic and communal, if we’re going to create successful models.

    Roissy’s view is far too simplistic and I suspect he’s articulated it here less as a coherent plan or world-view and more as a talking point.

    On which score it does well.

    But your faith in libertarian idealism is, … grossly misplaced.

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  25. @Madmax,

    On this I agree with you absolutely:

    7) A rational approach to political rights does not depend on statistical averages of attributes found among racial groups. There is no way that a racialist philosophy can not degenerate into racial collectivism and tribalist warfare.

    This is definitely true, alas.

    if not within-border, then without. It’s inevitable and unavoidable. And always ugly.

    Any progress made in any other areas will be negated by the horrendous struggles that will result from this.

    And if the current divisions are dealt with, then we’ll just invent more.

    *Managing* our divisions in a healthy way is the only real solution.

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  26. on July 18, 2010 at 8:22 pm 31802389032

    The book to read is “The Rise and Fall of Nations” by Mancur Olson.

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  27. “Still, the thought of various social groups at one another’s throat as SWPL DC fights to the death with Redneck Virginia over the Appalachians, is intriguing.”

    Hypothetically, DC is on the Maryland side of the Potomac. It should really should just merge with Maryland even if there isn’t a breakdown of the US.

    If the US were to sector off, it would make sense for Virginia and Maryland to stay together since they share the Chesapeake Bay.

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  28. Most of the problems we have would be eliminated with the elimination of the welfare state.

    Racialists say: Parasitic races? Let them make their own money. If they can’t, … who cares. Problem solved. Black single moms wil lbe getting married and having kids, not having kids without a husband. Half the problem solved.

    Drain on the public purse: Eliminate that, too.

    Entitlements: Eliminated.

    Discriminatory laws: get rid of them.

    Roissy just points out that there’s no way the masses are going to be sold on some of this, so he wants to disenfranchise some of them and prevent them from stopping us or recreating this mess in the future.

    So instead of selling them on it, which we need to do before we get to total financial meltdown, Roissy’s idea is to just disenfranchise the troublesome masses so we get the right voters voting.

    Um, … I would like to point out that mobs have always existed and always will. Unless we’re going to get into continuous and wholesale repression and absorb the effects that this is going to have on the “oppressors” as well, then it’s a no-go. Until you’re willing to serve your turn as Population Enforcer and start bashing in the heads of babies and shooting protesters and dragging out the bloodied corpses while teams of prisoners white-wash the red-stained squares, …

    Then it’s a moot issue.

    The kind of society that would result and the kinds of enforcement that it would require wouldn’t be any kind of society that anyone I know, or have every known, would want to live in. Wait.

    There are some Chinese senior executives who are really fond of this social model. Of course, they get to rape little girls and not go to jail for it.

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  29. on July 18, 2010 at 8:50 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    Restrict voting to net taxpayers. Net tax recipients wail forlornly on the sidelines.

    A key aspect of this plan would be the inclusion of government employees under “net tax recipients”, since that’s what they are.
    Government employees should not have the right to vote.

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  30. on July 18, 2010 at 8:59 pm whorefinder

    we live a fascist dictatorship, brought about by the victory of Nobama.

    The long time solution the Founders advocated to stop fascism was a legislature so large it would be impossible to corrupt, so that the only time bills would be passed was when the majority were moved by sense of right, not corruption.

    1 vote for every 30,000 was to be the size of the House. Now, thanks to corrupt machinations, it stands at 1 vote for every 1,000,000 or so. Much easier to corrupt 435 than 1300.

    What is more, the Senate is far too small for the population boom technology has afforded. Should 4-6 Senators per state, not 2.

    increase the size of the legislature and decrease the size of the bureacracy. Both would utterly destroy corruption as we know it.

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  31. A challenge to democracy may be controversial, but hardly original. I recommend reading Democracy, The God That Failed, by Hans-Hermann Hoppe

    Hoppe advocates a return to Monarchy, based on the proposition that a monarch doesn’t have to whore for votes, and given that monarchy is hereditary, a king has an incentive to leave his kingdom in good order for his descendants. A monarch has incentives to look to the long term benefit of his nation, whereas the politician in a democracy has no incentive to look any further than the next election.

    re “All men are created equal” – that was written at a time that kings were presumed to rule by divine dispensation. The statement was a refutation of that proposition. Nobody had an intrinsic right to rule.

    Given that the subsequent constitution made exceptions under law for the treatment of Indians and slaves, the interpretation that all men were to be considered equal under the law is highly unlikely.

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  32. Roissy,

    Seriously bud, wtf? You are a nihilist and a hedonist like me. What purpose does it serve to spend your precious life energy on thinking and worrying about this stuff?

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  33. Gorb – Good posts.

    Epoxy – Lilgrl hasn’t yet banned you from visiting Roissy, or are you sneaking around behind her back? hehe

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  34. Less democracy simply means more power for Kennedys, Clintons and Bushes. It’s the EU. It’s China, forcing women to abort their babies.

    The problem is not too much democracy. The problem is not enough nationalism.

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  35. How do you handle the military in a net taxpayers only voter scheme–are they government “employees”?

    [editor: since the military protects the territory upon which productive economic activity takes place, i would consider soldiers to be part of the net taxpayer group. really, the federal government has two jobs: uphold the integrity of the borders and protect the country from enemies abroad. they’re failing on the first, and bastardizing the second.]

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  36. madmax,

    laissez-faire economics is fucking retarded. face it.

    roissy,

    all this chicken little political shit you’re posting is anhedonic. stick to posts about game.

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  37. Democracy is not the problem. Capitalism is the problem.

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  38. @A3P
    Hoppe advocates a return to Monarchy, based on the proposition that a monarch doesn’t have to whore for votes, and given that monarchy is hereditary, a king has an incentive to leave his kingdom in good order for his descendants. A monarch has incentives to look to the long term benefit of his nation, whereas the politician in a democracy has no incentive to look any further than the next election.

    Sound idea. The problem is, people seek to aggrandize their own power. Kings, too. And they rarely look to the future, because humans are not always rational actors. Power transitions are awful (infights are the norm), assassinations, coups, and if we thin we have bad corruption, monarchies are far worse.

    We always envisage the philosopher-king. We rarely, if ever, get it. And the problem is that the king often changes over time, even before a transition.

    As Polybius pointed out, a king seeks to undermine and destroy the great because they threaten him. In a democracy, the people tend to attack the great because they are jealous or frightened by their power. In an aristocracy, the great monopolize power to the exclusion of all others.

    So monarchies tend to the mediocre.

    How about this:

    Democracy – ocholocracy (mob rule)
    Aristocracy – Oligarchy
    Monarchy – Tyrrany

    All of these will work. Polybius had a theory that states in the Greek world cycled between these: the good aspect of one to the bad, then the good to the bad of the next, etc.

    With revolutions in between.

    He thought the Roman Republic (of his time) was the perfect model of an “Aristocratic Democracy”. But his model broke down when power rested finally in a brutal monarchy and then decay set in.

    The truth is there’s no good form of government. Only the best of the worst. If you’re a member of the elite, all governments are good.

    If you’re not, then the questions is: How big is the underclass? And can you kill them freely? And is this an efficient use of human resources?

    A monarch will often only seek to maximize benefits for himself. His and those of his family/nobles are the only personalities that matter in the kingdom – the rest are mere ciphers.

    Anyone who dreams of such a society has never lived in one. The trouble is:

    There are no philosopher kings.

    Dreams of Hitlers and Caesars always turn out badly. There are no exceptions.

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  39. How do you handle the military in a net taxpayers only voter scheme–are they government “employees”?

    Three solutions.

    1) They don’t vote. Government employees. See how well this goes down when the guys w guns don’t vote.
    2) They’re the only ones who vote. Tanks, Heinlein.

    Best idea:
    3) No Professional Military.
    – Raise a draft-based, citizen-military. All men are required to be versed in national self-defense. Go the Israel route. Require some sort of non-optional service for women.

    Keep a core military staff. All able-bodies men between the ages of 18 and 45 are eligible for service as reservists are, alongside trained full-time military.

    Any man or woman who refuses doesn’t get to vote. They get fewer other benefits, as well. Non-military service takes, say, 2x as long. You can forge some serious citizens this way.

    When it’s *you* who might go overseas, *you* who might be called on, *you* who is going to be asked to sacrifice, believe me, voters will be well-informed.

    God protect the herbs that stay out for whatever reason.

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  40. That is some radical fucking shit. Stick to poon.

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  41. I largely agree with Roissy, and with Gorby’s point-by-point
    analysis, and with madmax. My comments, point by point:

    * Restrict voting to net taxpayers. Net tax recipients wail forlornly on the sidelines.

    THOR> Yup. Do use the previous year’s tax returns.
    Bar government employees. Allow the military and
    those who work on COMPETITIVE government
    contracts. (Affirmative Action and other workers
    on non-competitive contracts would be excluded.)

    Downsides: Impractical. How would we measure who is a net taxpayer before each election?

    THOR> See above.

    Fosters revolt among the parasites.

    THOR> Not likely. They would be outnumbered and
    undisciplined. The situation would BTW be greatly
    alleviated by re-introducing the old concept of
    personal servants, largely destroyed by taxation
    and welfare. Servants don’t starve, and usually live
    well – at least as far as food and lodging.

    Every so often the productive will have to put down rebellions by the disenfranchised.

    THOR> See above.

    Risk that the productive will direct all government largesse to themselves.

    THOR> There would not be much largesse. But if so, it would merely mean that the taxpayers get their money’s
    worth back.

    Highly eugenic in practice. Parasites die in the streets once largesse spigot is turned off. Can the productive tolerate the tooth and claw nature of true progress?

    THOR> They would mostly become house servants as per
    above.

    Upside: Encourages return to traditional notion of nation-state as territory for a relatively homogeneous population.

    THOR> Won’t happen, as per above.

    * Repeal the 17th Amendment. Return to state legislatures appointing Senators, as the Founders intended.

    THOR> ABSOLUTELY. The senators are then beholden
    to the state legislatures, this would upend the
    centralization to the feds that has been going on
    for the last 90 years. More on that below.

    Decentralization helps reduce corruption; state legislators are more beholden to the voice of their constituents than are 100 Senators in DC.

    THOR> Maybe. Repeal of the 17th would help here.
    Ideally, most decisions would be devolved to the states,
    where they started, except for military defense.
    The fun thing about this is that some states would
    become heavy welfare states, others having minimal welfare. (Check out the Free State Project, now focused
    on New Hampshire). Then people could vote with their
    feet, much more easily than by changing countries.
    And results would crystallize out. Would be great to watch!

    * Repeal the 26th Amendment. As lifespans and, consequently, educational years, adolescence, and time spent on parents’ dole, increase, it makes less sense for 18 year olds to have the right to vote their callow consciences into law.

    THOR> Yup. Easy one, but not a game changer.

    * Institute a national referendum for big decisions involving war, taxation, and immigration. The ruling class hates this idea because they know it will mean an end to their beloved utopian transnationalism.

    THOR>Yup.

    Anti-American open borders traitors would get the comeuppance they so richly deserve.
    THOR>Yup.

    * Benign monarchy. Could it be any worse than what we have now?

    THOR>Maybe. Mancur Olson has written on this in several books. His last (really last, he died while finishing it) was
    Power and Prosperity, a great read.

    * Secession. A breakup of the USA into manageable territories of people with similar morals, outlooks, tastes, abilities and temperaments.

    THOR> Devolving most functions to the state would
    have the same effect, and be easier to implement.
    Also, existing forces would greatly reduce the likelyhood
    of war between the states.

    Thor

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  42. The best critique of democracy by far comes from Paul Treanor:

    http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/democracy.html

    Incredible stuff. I think he’s one of the most important thinkers today.

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  43. Roissy, dream on.

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  44. Democracy is intentionally watered down government. It limits government from being able to achieve greatness, but it also limits (but does not eliminate) the harm a government can do to its citizens.

    Benevolent (or at least productive) dictators are best, but the problem is that their children tend to be inbred maniacs who rapidly screw up the achievements of their predecessors. The Roman Empire has numerous examples of productive emperors followed terrible ones.

    America is in a decline due to a generation of complacency from a lack of a “main enemy” (i.e. the USSR) to galvanize the nation in a relatively single direction. China has taken that role, but America politically has not yet acknowledged this. So in the mean time we’re squandering our resources and neglecting our society in a variety of ways (debt, absurd entitlements, rewarding illegal immigration, feminism, etc). This is what a society does when it feels unchallenged. It becomes sloppy and ineffectual.

    America can still be great again. But it won’t be until we get whipped in a war or completely finish fucking up our economy via entitlement programs and absurd amounts of debt that leads to a true depression. Then we’ll reform, or we’ll perish, at least in terms of world relevance.

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  45. SD-

    There are more SWPLs in (north) Virgina than there are in DC, just so you know. Clarendon/Ballston is literally one huge stripped polo shirt and Rainbow flop-wearing squareness buying over-priced condos that are all designed by some Michael Graves rip-off architect, drinking beers at one of the seventeen Irish pubs along Wilson.

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  46. Gorb-

    Your brain capacity is reedicuuulous. Well done.

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  47. Democracy is not perfect, but in a democracy there is freedom of choice, freedom to speak and freedom of speech.

    Living in a dictatorship or one-party state may accelerate economic growth but ultimately leads to stagnation.

    Look across Asia, in places where military dictatorships have fallen: Korea, Indonesia, Taiwan, there is a sense of accountability as the media and other NGO’s and institutions including opposition politicians can move towards instituting social change.

    Contrast that with China…which is essentially a fascist state, a thugocracy.

    This story had it happened in a democratic country would have lead to massive changes.

    It barely registered a blip and was quickly buried after a ‘face-saving’ solution was found.

    YouTube, FaceBook are banned in China.

    Respect for the individual is superceded by the need for “order” and “stability”. Sure, they have KFC, McDonald’s, Louis Vuitton. But there is no mechanism for self-correction.

    There is a joke here that goes something like: The Chinese don’t mind having elections, as long as they know the outcome in advance….

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6369665.ece

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  48. (if someone else has mentioned this already, i apologize. I only have time to scan the comments quickly…)

    Roissy you’re late to the party. A guy named “Mencius Moldbug”, very much in the Steve-Sailer-osphere, has been blogging on this for years….

    http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/

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  49. roissy’s vulnerability game is caring about what happens to society.

    [ed: lol.]

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  50. political freedom is overrated. the elevation of democracy and freedom of expression as the height of advanced civilization is a cargo cult that misapprends the causes of prosperity, technology, growth and general “happiness”. they were elevated as such solely for the purpose of advancing communism in the US. certainly the founders didn’t think these two were the most important aspects of the US political system, least of all democracy.

    direct democracy is 10 lions and a zebra voting on how much zebra to have for dinner tonight.

    id rather live in a country with 100% economic freedom, fully protected individual property rights and stable, predictable rule of law with little freedom of expression than one with the opposite.

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  51. America was fucked up since it’s foundation. There’s no way to turn it back, you need to let chaos take over the US so you can build up a new nation.

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  52. We should just implement a test that is required in order to vote.

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  53. [editor: since the military protects the territory upon which productive economic activity takes place, i would consider soldiers to be part of the net taxpayer group. really, the federal government has two jobs: uphold the integrity of the borders and protect the country from enemies abroad. they’re failing on the first, and bastardizing the second.]

    _____

    yes that was always my answer to that question as well–military service in lieu of taxation

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  54. dana id rather live in a country with 100% economic freedom, fully protected individual property rights.

    is it possible for the individual to have the second if you have the first?

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  55. Editor:

    Don’t blame the system. The system the founding dads cobbled together worked fine.

    Blame the voters for electing these deadbeats starting with the deadbeat in chief. Mr. Hopeychange himself.

    Limited, constitutional democracy is is great. You end up with a broken system when you vote in fuckers like this one and the one berfore.

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  56. chic

    how specifically are private property rights related to artistic or political freedom of expression?

    private property is protected by a government vested with a monopoly on the legal USE (military, police) and THREAT (courts, enforcement)specifically for the purpose of removing the threat of force from between individuals and enforcing contracts.

    a government that subjects itself to the rule of law can take any form from monarchy to direct democracy–it is the self subjection to the rule of law that matters to prosperity and economic freedom, not the form of government–this again is part of the cargo cult. the form is mistaken for the cause.

    the right to redress the government with grievances in some manner–say through the courts, isn’t the same thing as the right to petition the government to become a completely different form of government nor to vote in a wholly different form of government–the whole reason the left is obsessed with the freedom of speech and press aspects of the constitution was because those were its wedges into the system for the purposes of overturning a limited federal constitutional republic and replacing is with a progressive, fascist direct democracy in which the government bureaucracy ITSELF is the dictator irrepspective of the faces and parties that change pointlessly every 4 years.

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  57. Oops sorry. that “name” @ 11.12 wasn’t intended to be posted here.

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  58. this is going to bite most of your readers in the ass, i’ll you what.

    keep this rolling and you’ll have enough drama to fuel a run for senator

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  59. @Cap’n Bob

    Gorbachev,

    A good post, but you’re being very harsh on Vlad the Impaler. He did the best job he could of protecting his country in nightmarish circumstances.

    That’s why I didn’t give him 10 (Pointless wars). He didn’t have any choice and he was a smart as Ghengis Khan at winning. Scared the living shit out of everyone, still does today. Ottoman Turks saying: Holy fucking shit, this guy is insane, screw this I’m going back to my wives, thanks a bundle.

    Nice to have guarding the borders of Europe, … preferably very, very far away.

    I love the (apocryphal?) story about the gold chalice left on the public fountain, … and everyone too terrified to touch it or even look at it crosswise.

    Not saying I’d want to live there.

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  60. @whiskey
    It means basically a male voting bloc to counter the female one.

    More good ideas.

    Wow, they keep flowing.

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  61. F*ck left/libtard fascistic assh*ole Democrats who feel their totalitarianism for our own good is the best thing!

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  62. Graham Strachan’s 22 steps to global tyranny (Not very libertarian but makes sense)

    STEP 1: National governments will relinquish control of their money, float their currency, and remove all controls over the flow of money into and out of the country.
    STEP 2: National government will continue the practice of borrowing from the international bankers to finance their affairs.
    STEP 3: National governments will depend on international investment for all future
    development.
    STEP 4: National governments will ensure international (not national) ownership of their banks and financial institutions by Transnational corporations and global investors.
    STEP 5: National governments will wind back spending on welfare and social programs, including education and health.
    INDUSTRIES
    STEP 6: National governments will ensure international (not national) ownership of their industries, and business by Transnational corporations (TNCs) and global investors.
    STEP 7: National governments will remove all impediments to the activities of TNCs and global investors in exploiting their resources including human resources.
    STEP 8: National governments will abolish all measures, including exemptions under Trade Practices legislation, which protect or assist small/medium sized nationally-owned business.
    STEP 9: National governments will abolish all forms of protection (tariffs, import restrictions, subsidies) for local industries.
    STEP 10: National governments will dis-empower unions, abolish wage fixation, and allow their labour forces to compete in an unregulated global labour market.
    STEP 11: National governments will sell all publicly-owned government-run enterprises and public utilities to TNCs and global investors.
    STEP 12: National governments will ensure international (not national) ownership of farms by Transnational agribusiness corporations (TNCs) and global investors.
    STEP 13: National governments will adopt policies of producing for export, and importing for local consumption.
    STEP 14: National governments will abolish all forms of protection (tariffs, import restrictions, subsidies) for locally-owned farms.
    STEP 15: National governments will enter into agreements with international bodies which hand over ownership and control of their countries’ natural resources.
    STEP 16: National governments will sign multilateral treaties at the United Nations which surrender their political and legal sovereignty.
    STEP 17: National governments will adopt policies of ‘regionalism’ and ‘multiculturalism’, and other policies which will eventually eliminate national borders, culture, and identity, and create global citizens.
    STEP 18: National governments will agree to implement globally determined environmental, social and cultural programs in their country.
    STEP 19: National governments will wind back their national armed forces to levels sufficient only to subdue their own people and participate in ‘global peacekeeping’ activities as required by the UN.
    STEP 20: National governments will disarm their own citizens so there can be no armed resistance to globalisation.
    STEP 21: National governments will maintain a working relationship with their local media who will divert attention from these developments until they are too far progressed to be reversed.
    STEP 22: National governments will agree to ultimately surrender their own sovereignty and take direction from the World Government.

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  63. @morsellaux
    The stomping boot will be made from organic plant material, no animal sisters and brothers will be harmed.

    Awesome.

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  64. J Oops sorry. that “name” @ 11.12 wasn’t intended to be posted here.

    no problem. we host plenty of trolls here. Now tell us about Phill.

    Did you know there are plenty of str8 men who would make that tranny their woman?

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  65. Pure democracy bad you say? Fortunately the people who wrote the Constitution agreed, so that’s why we have a Republic.

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  66. @fatocrat

    The best critique of democracy by far comes from Paul Treanor:

    http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/democracy.html

    Incredible stuff. I think he’s one of the most important thinkers today.

    Very good left-wing criticism designed to unseat ethnic nationalists and force through Pan-European Lefty dreams over the whims of local electorates who are giving up on left-wing dream projects.

    Good criticisms. Most of it bubbles around the idea that minorities have no real protection from majorities when there’s a democracy (they have to assimilate, etc.), the boundaries of voting blocs are arbitrary, and that the powerful should be stripped of voting rights. And that voters vote against immigration.

    Fuck that. This is exactly why democracy works, when actually implemented. You guard minorities through civil rights. And it sounds that despite his complaints, democracy is working just fine.

    The arguments he uses against democracy are exactly the arguments I’d use for it, bringing more social cohesion, added to: Renders better government on average than any other system.

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  67. DFC,

    do we still?

    how much longer will the electoral college hold? there are noises made towrds abolishing it every time a republican ekes one out past the gerrymandering

    when thats gone what aspect of the “republic” will remain in your estimation?

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  68. dana how much longer will the electoral college hold?
    how many Americans knew what the electoral college was before the 2000 election

    and thanks for that answer above.

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  69. Dana,

    You ever bother to read any of the “Constitutions” of other nations. The last one the USSR had is online, and easy to find. Read it. It sounds pretty good, and you know what, most all of them do. What most people fail to realize is that those are just pretty words on expensive paper, and those words are readily twisted if not flatly ignored.

    You may conceive of the perfect system of government, but if you have an imperfect people then it will fail just as surely as any tin pot dictatorship. The people, or culture, is what determines how well a good system will be followed. That’s why ours worked so well. It wasn’t those pretty words, it was us. Our system is the best currently conceived by man, and if it fails it is not because we just didn’t quiet get the right system, it’s because we are no longer the right people.

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  70. * Restrict voting to net taxpayers.

    No, no, and no, thank you. You are correct that implementation would be difficult (read, impossible), but beyond that the idea seems so revolutionary that you might as well just have a real revolution. You would anyway as soon as you implemented it, so it wouldn’t really matter.

    * Repeal the 17th Amendment.

    I don’t see where this would make one bit of difference, but go for it. I’d much rather see reform in the Senate itself to return to some semblance of majority rule.

    * Repeal the 26th Amendment.

    Ditto. Kinda flips the old argument for a lower drinking age on its head: if an 18-year-old can’t be trusted to drink a beer, why should he be trusted to vote?

    * Institute a national referendum for big decisions involving war, taxation, and immigration.

    Everyone with an ounce of sense hates this idea because of what referendums have done in Cali.

    * Benign monarchy.

    I guess as long as it’s benign, I’m OK with it . . . .

    * Secession.

    Maybe, if precise geographical divisions were already there, but they’re not.

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  71. @DFCtomm
    You ever bother to read any of the “Constitutions” of other nations. The last one the USSR had is online, and easy to find. Read it. It sounds pretty good, and you know what, most all of them do. What most people fail to realize is that those are just pretty words on expensive paper, and those words are readily twisted if not flatly ignored.

    Wrong. Not that expensive.

    You may conceive of the perfect system of government, but if you have an imperfect people then it will fail just as surely as any tin pot dictatorship. The people, or culture, is what determines how well a good system will be followed. That’s why ours worked so well. It wasn’t those pretty words, it was us. Our system is the best currently conceived by man, and if it fails it is not because we just didn’t quiet get the right system, it’s because we are no longer the right people.

    The Canadians have a less democratic system, but the place seems to function much more democratically. And they have actual debates, instead of pretend debates.

    Really, I’m not saying we should model us on them, but more of us should visit the place and check it out.

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  72. dftcomm

    thats nice

    im not sure what it has to do with one thing i said though

    other countries forms of government and constitutions have no bearing on what has become of the US

    our “republic” basically ceased to function such with the extension of the franchise to people with no vested interest in limited government, the direct election of senators and the massive federal power grabs of FDR and the warren court

    the electoral college is the frail relict of a bygone political era thought won’t survive the gerrymandered permanent democratic majority on the horizon

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  73. Gorbachev,

    Really?? You ever hear of the Canadian Human Rights Commission(CHRC)? Thought crime usually doesn’t stimulate debate.

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  74. yawn… This website got boring. Fuck this noise.

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  75. chic before the permanent destruction of the US school system in the 60’s-70’s every us citizen knew about the electoral college–they learned about our actual government, not propaganda designed to cause them to agitate for a different form of government

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  76. “Best idea:
    3) No Professional Military.
    – Raise a draft-based, citizen-military. All men are required to be versed in national self-defense. Go the Israel route. Require some sort of non-optional service for women.

    Keep a core military staff. All able-bodies men between the ages of 18 and 45 are eligible for service as reservists are, alongside trained full-time military.”

    Having a conscription army didn’t keep us out of Vietnam.

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  77. Secession. A breakup of the USA into manageable territories of people with similar morals, outlooks, tastes, abilities and temperaments.

    I’m starting to think this is the only solution.

    Liberalism has become completely anathema to the truth and our society can almost no longer function with these delusional morons instituting policies based on it.

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  78. Dana,

    I don’t the U.S. Republic has failed. We have failed it. If your asking how far will we fall, then I can’t answer that. I believe it will end in bloodshed, but I hope in the end the Constitution and our Republic will be restored. If you read some of the personal writings of the “founding Fathers” then you could get the ideal that they thought the process of revolution from an overbearing government would be a constant cycle even for us. I think Jefferson would be surprised that we have gone 200+ years without having to overthrow the federal government. It’s a testament to the system they created.

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  79. If I were Czar for one day I would mandate that no citizen could vote or even express an opinion out loud until they could prove they had memorized F. Hayeks “The Road to Serfdum”
    Poseuers would be made an example of. Meat hooks can be used over and over again.

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    [0006]The rising generation will witness a renaissance in video games, as well as across all culture, wherein classical ideals have exalted consequences. An in-game character or non-player-character (npc) might quote Burke in saying, “for evil to prevail, all good men must do is nothing.” Upon hearing this, the character could choose to take the higher road and take action to fight for higher ideals, or they could let their nation become morally and spiritually bankrupt by the feminist fanboy fiatocracy. l90zlzz9zoz9zlz9zllz9zlzllzl9zoo !!

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    lozlzozlzlzozlzlzol [0009]This present invention is penned in the context that this is going to sound crazy to all the fanboy experts, and counter their expert fanboy opinions, but in contemplating story in the realm of video games, why not turn to the greatest stories ever written–Homer, Shakespeare, and the Bible? I understand that we live in a declining fiatocracy, but get over it. This fiatocracy won’t be around forever, and someday people will be free to act upon their desire to play games founded upon classical ideals and idealism, wherein ideas have consequences, and where they can engage in meaningful gameplay, such as protecting and defending the Constitution, and protecting the unborn and borders of an empire, instead of fighting random fiat monsters on foreign shores. I know that many fanboys insist that games should have no intellectual content, and that they should merely exist to satiate the fanboy fantasies of hiring and killing hookers, jacking cars, killing cops and civilians, and doing drugs, and that is fine and good for their era and realm of gaming. But the times, they are a changin’. Surely, as we live in an open-ended world with freedom, the fiat fanboys ought stop opposing exalted games with classical soul and spirit. They can keep their close-minded, conservative ways–that is fine by us–but the world will know a renaissance in classical liberalism in the realm of video games, wherein one gets to battle for the US Constitution–the one that the Founding Fathers wrote, and not the one interpreted by the fiatocracy’s feminized/dumbed-down fanboys.

    Read more: http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090017886#ixzz0u6CuiFOI

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  81. on July 19, 2010 at 12:28 am greatbooksformen

    if you can look at the figures iwtout lzozlzolzozlzzozlling you are greater man than me!

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    http://www.google.com/patents?id=aAuzAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

    “the fiatocracy’s feminized/dumbed-down fanboys.”

    lzoozzol so true lOLL

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  82. on July 19, 2010 at 12:31 am greatbooksformen

    lololoolooolozpozozzlzlzlzlz

    [0007]The player character can choose whether or not to interact, as well as how to interact with characters based on their ideologies, which are manifested by words and deed. The player character can choose to engage in dialogue with npc’s, seeking to reason with them, and exalt their sensibilities. When reasoning fails, as it so often does with fanboys who detest reading the manly classical economists and prefer comic books with pretty pictures of big green men, as they were raised by single mother who demonized their real fathers, the player character can then choose to interact with the characters in other manners, such as shooting them.

    http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090017886#ixzz0u6DkI52h

    holy shit lololozlzozlzlz this is wesoeme aweosme

    A Reading List for a Free and Prosperous America

    [0445]To date, no game allows one to fight for the US Constitution and a sound currency. No game allows one to fight for the Founding Father’s original intent–for life, liberty, and happiness for all. No game allows one to fight for economic freedom beyond the fiat system that robs us all via the inflation tax. No game allows the player to quote Hayek, Mises, Rothbard, Jefferson, Hazlitt, Jesus, Socrtes, and Moses in dialogue trees, nor via other means, en route to winning the hearts and minds of their people, rounding up and inspiring a group of rebel, and leading those rugged rebels in a battle founded upon ideas. No game allows one to fight Big Brother and ensure greater Civil Liberties and Personal Freedom. And certainly, no game allows the player to fight to implement the Constitutional Gold Standard, nor to take on the divorce regime, nor to protect the unborn.

    [0446]The present invention would allow the themes of V is for Vendetta, Atlas Shrugged, and The Fountainhead to be brought to life, as well as Orwell’s 1984, which resembles the modern university. The plot of 1984 could be enhanced, and hope could be allowed for Winston Smith. Suppose that Winston was successful in speaking with and recruiting enough people for a revolt. If he was too upfront with his ideas, he might be put to death. If he was too coy, he would never reach them. If he was too persistent, he could offend some people. If he gave up to soon, he might lose loyal followers. At any rate, it would make a great and unique game, as Winston Smith went up against Big Brother. The plot of 1984 is described at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four with:

    Read more: http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090017886#ixzz0u6EGkzlY

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  83. Anouk

    I don’t have detailed knowledge as to the current ratio of SWPL to Redneck in any given state.

    However, I was talking about a hypothetical situation where all the Rednecks had been assigned one territory and all the SWPLs another. I just picked Virginia as the Redneck territory because the term “Redneck” has a Virginia connection. I wanted a neighbouring location for my hypothetical SWPL state and for some reason DC just came to mind.

    Feel free to give my hypothetical states different names, or indeed vary my hypothetical divisions of people. The principle still stands.

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  84. The most diverse nation on earth became the world’s only superpower. During that rise we also increased lifespans and measurably improved quality of life for the vast majority of citizens. Yes, life was good in the United States, until…

    OBAMA WAS ELECTED OMG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    PEOPLE GOT HEALTHCARE OMG !!!!!!!!!!

    I JUST NOTICED THERE IS A NATIONAL DEBT OMG !!!!!!!

    MY PENIS IS SHRINKING OMG !!!!!!!!!!

    Now the United States is a waste land. It makes sense to look back at our history to see how we got to this horrible place, what with the healthy people and the participation in government by colored folk and my shrinking penis. I mean, WTF?

    Maybe it all started with that wacky “democracy” idea.

    Roissy makes a lot of sense.

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  85. Alas, it requires that the voters know what they’re doing. And the failing of the Republic was its hopeless unbalancing when the rich families assumed control of the state and the citizen armies were replaced (thanks, Marius) with professional armies loyal to a general for their welfare.

    Don’t be too harsh on Marius. His intentions were to democratize the army and thereby Roman society, wresting it from the control of the nobility as well as to prevent the continuing bankruptcy of the small land holder due to Rome’s constant wars. Marius was a great soldier and a great man, even if his reforms eventually caused the downfall of the Republic. He was elected Consul 7 times for good reason, as he represented the plebs interests in the face of the nobility more than anyone else did and he stuck to his guns because wealth and comfort meant little to him. The Republic was doomed by his day anyway, once Sulla became dictator.

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  86. Subnuclear
    “Best idea:
    3) No Professional Military.
    – Raise a draft-based, citizen-military. All men are required to be versed in national self-defense. Go the Israel route. Require some sort of non-optional service for women.

    Keep a core military staff. All able-bodies men between the ages of 18 and 45 are eligible for service as reservists are, alongside trained full-time military.”

    Having a conscription army didn’t keep us out of Vietnam.

    I think this is critical too. Moreover, make service a prerequisite to voting, as Heinlein suggested in Starship Troopers. The Army is the school of the nation and a citizen’s army teaches responsibility, cause ad effect, and civics better than any classroom.

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  87. Your all idiots. Do you prefer total anarchy or god forbid fascism over democracy? Democracy as a concept is the ideal, since it has the most checks and balances to foster balanced growth. The problem is that every government has corruption and cannot be run since humans are imperfect.

    If we didn’t have democracy then we wouldn’t have a capitalist market society… do you know the consequences for that? Just look at Russia after the collapse of the Soviet government. Total disorder, poverty and hostile takeover by the mafia.

    Democracy is the best form of government out of all. The problem is that capitalism combined with intelligent elite has totally taken over it. When the elite control every avenue of communication and yield influence over education, the regular public is hopeless. Which is why if you can’t beat them, might as well accept reality the way it is and join them.

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  88. on July 19, 2010 at 1:52 am John David Galt

    I like all your ideas, but would add two more:

    * Repeal the 19th Amendment. The past century in America has been one of steady “progress” (gag) towards an all-intrusive nanny state, and that has everything to do with women getting the vote. Both the progressive labor movement and the alcohol-prohibition movement (later expanded to all fun substances) were started and usually led by women.

    * Repeal the 16th Amendment. The income tax gave Congress the ability not only to enact New Deals, but to intrude into all kinds of areas of law outside its enumerated powers, from welfare to education to health to labor to transportation.

    Every law more recent than Reconstruction should go. We got by perfectly well without them for more than 100 years.

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  89. on July 19, 2010 at 2:11 am Anonymouses Anonymous

    Revoke the right for women to vote. That in itself will assure a more conservative congress.

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  90. The Habsburgian Monarchy was a much better suited system. Discuss.

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  91. http://mises.org/journals/jls/11_2/11_2_3.pdf

    THE POLITICAL ECONOMY OF MONARCHY AND DEMOCRACY, AND THE IDEA OF A NATURAL ORDER
    Hans-Hermann Hoppe

    “From the vantage point of elementary economic theory and in light of historical evidence, then, a revisionist view of modern history results. The Whig theory of history, according to which mankind marches continually forward toward ever higher levels of progress, is incorrect. From the viewpoint of those who prefer less exploitation over more and who value farsightedness and individual responsibility above shortsightedness and irresponsibility, the historic transition from monarchy to democracy represents not progress but civilizational decline.”

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  92. Also, if you read up on Athenian Democracy, you see that similar problems arose, back then already.

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  93. Roissy:

    Your analysis of the problem is spot-on. However, there is a better solution than the ones you propose. As a matter of fact, there is only one solution.

    Most of your solutions, like restricting the voting franchise to taxpayers, ignore a basic fact of politics: that each politician and bureaucrat, like anybody else, is above all interested in maximizing his own welfare. It is always in the interest of some politician to push for expanding the franchise to ever-more stupid, easily manipulable people. This is the whole Public Choice literature.

    The solution lies elsewhere. And it is very simple. The only really binding constraint on government power is “voting with your feet”. When tens of thousands of young Germans voted with their feet out of East Germany in 1989, the incompetent East German government was doomed.

    Therefore the solution is to make voting with your feet completely costless. This is done by ensuring that you are administered directly by the political party for which you voted in the last election. Then there would be a few government structures (two in the US) coexisting on the same territory and competing for voters and tax revenues. Not happy with the way the Democrats administer you? Vote Republican next time, and you will be administered for 4 years by Republicans according to Republican laws – regardless of what your neighbor or the majority choose.

    It is that simple. And there is no other solution.

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  94. on July 19, 2010 at 2:55 am paultheking

    Sigh.. does anybody really care about these complicated government philosophies and ideas. Lets just drink beer and smash hoes

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  95. “Restrict voting to net taxpayers. Net tax recipients wail forlornly on the sidelines.”

    That’s going a bit far – all but the wealthiest single digit percent of Americans are net tax recipients – but I could triangulate. Your position is no more extreme than the prevailing view that anyone, however shiftless, ignorant or criminal, enhances the democratic process by showing up to vote.

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  96. @DFCtomm
    Gorbachev,

    Really?? You ever hear of the Canadian Human Rights Commission(CHRC)? Thought crime usually doesn’t stimulate debate.

    Never heard of it, no. The Canadians I spoke to were of this opinion, they they were a more democratic people with a less democratic government. One was a former Conservative (Reformed party?) member of Parliament. He had lots to say about American problems, not just Canadian ones.

    Most of the Canadians I met were conservative and mildly anti-American. Actually, most Canadians seem to be, in a genteel sort of way. Most disconcerting.

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  97. @Subnuclear

    Having a conscription army didn’t keep us out of Vietnam.

    Didn’t say it would. But I think it’d breed better citizens.

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  98. on July 19, 2010 at 3:29 am whorefinder

    “The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.”

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  99. on July 19, 2010 at 3:30 am whorefinder

    Canadians are the biggest thought police in the Western hemisphere, save Venuzuela. Plus they have a porn industry second only to L.A. Calling Canada “Conservative” is like calling Chavez a freedom fighter.

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  100. Ludwig has it right; the Declaration of Independence was intended to refer to White men, not all men. And even then only the successful got to vote. A horrible, racist, classist, sexist system, I’m sure all the mincing eunuchs and feminists would agree. But look where political correct egalitarianism has taken us.

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  101. Only one way out:

    SINGULARITY.

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  102. American Empire is over. Expect to have a soviet-like break up. Not a nice thing.

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  103. @Moshe
    American Empire is over. Expect to have a soviet-like break up. Not a nice thing.

    Not going to happen. It’s not half as bad as people make it out to be.

    Please.

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  104. I think the original words of the Declaration, before revision, were “all men are created with the equal capacity for freedom” or some such like.

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  105. Roissy , lame post. usually I like you. but am getting a feeling you are a disgruntled, old man who hates everything about current America and foolishly romanticizes good old days…days that you haven’t even witnessed firsthand.

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  106. on July 19, 2010 at 6:21 am Horatio Sanchez

    Check out the work of Hans-Hermann Hoppe on this subject. His book, Democracy: The God That Failed is one of the most important philosophical works of this century, a refreshing take on a sacred cow, but like most important works, it hasn’t gotten its fair due when it’s most needed. It’s very satisfyingly laid out and logically argued in the Austrian tradition. He comes to the conclusion that monarchy is the lesser evil, due, for example, to the monarchs having an incentive to preserve what is their property: the country (ever wonder why wars between monarchs weren’t the total wars of the 20th century? there’s your answer), whereas in democracies, there is a “competition of bads”: free entry of any citizen into the promise-to-steal-property market otherwise known as democratic politics. The shit rises to the top.

    Being a “natural order” guy, Hoppe doesn’t conclude monarchy is the best of all possible worlds, of course, just that it’s superior to democracy. When he lays out the behaviors that each system incentivizes, it’s hard to argue with him.

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  107. on July 19, 2010 at 6:23 am Horatio Sanchez

    Now I see a couple of you dudes already mentioned Hoppe. Impressive. We’ve got some smooth operators here.

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  108. you’ve actually gone nuts. lol
    i think when someone advocates a genetic link between criminal inclination and one’s racial heritage its time to leave the site.

    [editor: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0710-grim-sleeper-dna-20100710,0,1789024,full.story%5D

    there is a great program that addresses this issue in its entirety, pretty unflinchingly and comes to some interesting conclusions. its actually culture that influences those things, and access to modernity and technology. i dont know whether you get this series in the US but well worth a look in at the very least.
    there are genetic differences even within supposedly homogenised groups roissy. people in north wales are genetically different to people in south wales, so the argument that colour, and thats what we’re really coming down to isnt it, is a preindicating factor of one’s attributes is greatly mistaken. even white caucasion americans swpl and the like can differ genetically there’s no link. culture yes. genes, no

    Are you familiar with confirmation bias roissy? if not, get familiar with it, and while you’re at it check out this program. at the very least it will give you a starting point in exploring your views a little more objectively

    http://www.channel4.com/programmes/race-and-intelligence-sciences-last-taboo/episode-guide/series-1/episode-1

    several episodes its starts with race and intelligence

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  109. on July 19, 2010 at 7:23 am Original JB

    Yeah, I’ve had the same thoughts as Roissy for awhile now.

    The most workable political solutions appear to be either significant decentralization (via whatever legislative mechanisms can be applied – whether repeal of the 17th amendment, adoption of a new Constitution which is closer to the Articles of Confederation, or whatever else) or indeed secession.

    I hope it’s the first, for the following reasons — (1) security; (2) lesser vulnerability to transnational (and great power) influence; (3) if set up wisely, lesser vulnerability to systemic failures inherent in aggregated federal power.

    The age of centralization is coming to an end, one way or another (which is why the political class is so desperate to hang on to power.) Once you hit a few technological milestones (like ubiquitous mobile broadband, locally produced, stored and marketed alternative energy, $100 40 min. personal genomics, etc.) the old political paradigms will be shattered anyway,

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  110. Democracy is fucked because Homo Sapiens is fucked. This is the uncomfortable truth of modern civilisation, that we are dumb and full of fail. Even the best of us are deeply flawed. Probably only a handful of people in the entire world are truly worthy individuals, and those are the kinds of people who sit in caves for 50 years emptying their minds and eating squirrel dung in order to beat the inner monkey. At least the pre-Enlightenment ancien regime was based on a religion which says up front that Man is a failed critter. The modern religion/meme-plex that we live under has an incorrect understanding of the basic facts of the human condition.

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  111. SD-

    “I wanted a neighbouring location for my hypothetical SWPL state and for some reason DC just came to mind.

    Feel free to give my hypothetical states different names, or indeed vary my hypothetical divisions of people. The principle still stands.”

    –haha, I got that. DC is quite diverse actually. I would venture to say that Maryland has more rednecks/white trash than Virginia at this point, god knows every time I get cut off in traffic it is by some shit box hunk-o-junk Maryland license plate. Virginia is a walking Gap advert.

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  112. on July 19, 2010 at 7:41 am Original JB

    “Only one way out:

    SINGULARITY.”

    I see it as basically a race against time: can the technologists grant faster than the politicians can take away? I think they can, although it will be a close-run thing.

    We need to withstand the next 10 to 15 years. By that time Kurzweil-influenced leaders of society will have taken over.

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  113. on July 19, 2010 at 7:54 am Sally Cinnamon

    Haven’t read all the comments, this may have been said.
    Wouldn’t term limits be an easy fix for doing away with career politicians and all the associated issues they bring?

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  114. on July 19, 2010 at 8:10 am Vincent Ignatius

    We’d be better off with a government structure more like a corporation where voters get a number of votes proportional to their income. Even having people earn their citizenship would go a long way. Or how about going back to one vote per household.

    I’d be in a damn good position to profit from the downfall of this nation though. If the US went to shit, there would be BILLIONS to be made by selling “surplus” American weapons in Latin America. It would be like what happened after the downfall of the Soviet Union. $$$

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  115. This video shows whats wrong with unrestricted democracy. Basically, anything goes, as long as the majority is presuaded to support it, with any means.. Even laws against eating da Pupu can be passed…

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  116. on July 19, 2010 at 8:24 am Sir_Chancealot

    Fuck, people. The ignorance here is astounding.

    The United States was formed as a REPRENTATIONAL REPUBLIC. It has not been, nor (God willing) will it EVER be a “democracy”.

    For those that want “democracy”, I leave you with a Thomas Jefferson quote:

    “Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch. A Republic is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.”

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  117. Good post. The net tax payer voting rule seems like basic fairness to me, although it is going to be very difficult to get something like that to pass. At first I wasn’t sure if military personnel should be included in that group because many military jobs are very well paying. If the military is there to protect out borders and that’s about it and it is kept to a reasonable size for just that purpose I think it would be fair to give them the right to vote. I like Tyrone’s suggestion about a civilian army, but I’m wondering how practical that would be.
    I also like the states rights idea because I think it would be interesting to watch.

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  118. Sir_Chancealot,

    That Jefferson quote sounds fake to me. I’ll bet you can’t find where he actually said it.

    Gorb,

    I am rather shocked that someone of your intelligence and experience isn’t aware of what has been going on with Canada’s various human rights commissions. Google Mark Steyn, Ezra Levant, Stephan Boissoin, Richard Warman, etc.

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  119. The quote is not at all old and is usually misattributed to Franklin, not Jefferson.

    Don’t you know that witty quotes are supposed to go to Franklin or Mark Twain, while prophetic sounding high-minded quotes are supposed to go to Jefferson?

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  120. The perhaps unseen consequence of restricting voting to net tax payers: utter and complete decimation of the Republican Party. The most heavily subsidized states consistently vote Red, and you can almost bet the the richest neighborhoods in any city vote Blue as the day is long. The current revolutionary “Tea Party” seems to be comprised primarily of the angry, unreflective unemployed.

    And of course, if government employees are net recipients, so are employees of companies like Blackwater and Halliburton.

    Regardless of where your sympathies lie, it seems willfully naive to presume that the “smartest” people are paying most of the taxes.

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  121. anoukange – I would venture to say that Maryland has more rednecks/white trash than Virginia at this point, god knows every time I get cut off in traffic it is by some shit box hunk-o-junk Maryland license plate. Virginia is a walking Gap advert.

    Ballston to Rosslyn and Charlottesville are just as you say, but the rest of Virginia, like Hampton Roads, Lynchburg, Richmond are about Jesus, tobacco, pine, pigs, peanuts and aircraft carriers.

    I would also agree there are fewer ‘neck-tacular places than Hagerstown, at least on the East Coast. I would say that Montgomery County is more SWPL than noVa, though.

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  122. SD – Feel free to give my hypothetical states different names, or indeed vary my hypothetical divisions of people. The principle still stands.

    Almost all US cities have their SWPL contigent, even places like Dallas and Mobile. I’m pretty sure the trend is universal with city folk always at odds with country folks throughout the world. In the US, it would be impossible to render the two apart. Cities like Houston (which just elected a lesbian mayor) depend on the oil and gas wealth in decidely un-SWPL West Texas. NYC depends on the financial wealth of the entire country to be sent there for investment. If it cut itself off, there are plenty of places that money could go. Its the same pattern over and over. The whole country is glued together pretty tight at least economically.

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  123. on July 19, 2010 at 9:31 am The guy you despise but should only fear

    Here is scientific proof that women are indeed more prmosciuos than men in their cores:

    http://www.cup.cam.ac.uk/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=9780511239571&ss=exc

    Notice how women were never able to develop nothing to protect them from eventual stds or other inconvinents of male promiscuity.

    Regards

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  124. Gorby – Didn’t say it would. But I think it’d breed better citizens.

    Vietnam did not breed good citizens, it bred open, violent rebellion and counter-repression, for only a marginally good purpose. The Iraq war II (and probably I) would have produced the same effect if we still had a conscription army.

    Conscription wars are by far the worst wars, with the most military-on-civilian brutality, the most casualties, the most mutinies, the most everything bad about war. The military hates dealing with conscripts for that reason. It has a hard enough time dealing with patriotic volunteers.

    In the future, its not clear to me conscription armies will be all that useful. Great Wars will be decided by who can put together the best army of robot planes and ships and who will have the balls to bring out the nukes. Small wars will be decided by smarter older guys who understand how to divide and conquer tribal cultures. Neither lend themselves to conscripted volunteers.

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  125. There are various types of referendums. One that I like gives voters the power to veto acts passed by the legislative branch. Such referendums exist in Switzerland.

    If voters had such power, no politician would even think of providing amnesty for aliens.
    Also, this would weaken the lobbyists.

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  126. on July 19, 2010 at 9:53 am 9, The Editor

    What a glorious Monday. Stone cold beautiful!

    I favor ZH strongly, so I condone this piece. However…

    So everyone is in the revolution mood? Well…the only issue there is be careful in the media – consider if anyone is baiting anyone else into revolutionary actions like inciting “violence”. A FED could be anywhere co-opting anything. Look at those poor tea parties? All well meaning people who are VERY YOUNG to politics, they have no clue. I said this Spring they’d be co-opted by some bad people and be accused of racism. Now, one of their “leaders” steps down due to the NAACP/Black Panthers/Tea parties infighting over racism- not surprise. They are all FEDS. Its obvious.

    As for revolution, its in Americas blood – People have been talking that way for about 10 to 15 years. It cannot be denied as the system has stolen everything from the people, given it to the “do nothings of society” and gave it to the banks. Guess what? the do nothings are bleeding the system dry and one day those checks will stop. The sooner the better.

    Speaking of banks, America is ran for and by the banks.

    I would offer the usual litany: End womens voting, end the income tax, end affirmative action (its affirmative racism), get strict term limits and for the love of GOD leave people the hell alone!

    the lp999

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  127. Is It Time To Rethink Democracy?

    No. It’s just time to renew our commitment to it. Anybody who seriously believes that some kind of enlightened dictatoriship or virtuous authoritarianism is the answer needs to spend some time reading history books.

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  128. @The guy you despise but should only fear
    Study you linked to isn’t anything new over what’s been discussed before?
    “Here is scientific proof that women are indeed more prmosciuos than men in their cores
    I don’t think it says that, it perhaps says that women are more promiscuous than the misconceptions many men had in their heads growing up. It also says that men have more to lose from their partner being sexually unfaithful than a woman has.

    The information about men investing more resources in children who look like them is quite interesting, it’s another good argument for MPT. It could be a tool for women to get the father more vested in his offspring if they don’t look like him that much.

    Sad stuff about the stepchildren “estimate the incidence of filicide (child-killing) among stepchildren to be as much as 100 times that of genetic children”, after all on the whole people know they aren’t there’s for a fact before they go into the relationship.

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  129. Good list. I would also suggest: “End the Two-Party Deathgrip on the national ballot and dialogue” The ‘Republicrats’ will be infighting forever, but they’re united in their corrupt battle to make sure they’re the only two parties in power.

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  130. The perhaps unseen consequence of restricting voting to net tax payers: utter and complete decimation of the Republican Party. The most heavily subsidized states consistently vote Red, and you can almost bet the the richest neighborhoods in any city vote Blue as the day is long.

    Not really. Republicans are mostly from the upper financial half of those states. The lower half doesn’t vote nearly as much and the bottom quarter trend Democrat for all races and regions. It would be impossible to trace back ag subsidies or military contracting to individuals. How do you count something like corn price support through ethanol subsidies?

    If you limited voting to people with 4-year college degrees, Republicans would have the majority.

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  131. Roissy–

    Does the Declaration of Independence rest on a falsehood? The rapidly rising flood of computational genetic research is providing evidence for everything from innate differences in intelligence to criminal inclination to altruistic impulse. The conclusion slowly being forged by (re)familiarity with reality is that all men are not created equal. Born equal under the law? Perhaps, yes.

    Jefferson and the founders didn’t mean what you’re ascribing to them. None of them thought that all men were born w/literally equal talents. It wasn’t an age of radical environmentalism; many of them were animal and plant breeders, as men of plantations etc., or weren’t far removed from that mindset. They didn’t call it genetics but they new there were qualities of the blood, etc., that is of ancestry.

    What is mean by “all men are born equal” is that all men are by natural law born with equal rights. Natural law is sort of a projection of how things should be. So all men should be forn with equal rights under the law.

    It was a rebellion against the European concept of aristocracy, and various “qualities” of mankind, pure and simple. In Europe at the time it was common to be demanded “state your quality”.

    That was what the Declaration was rebelling against.

    There’s ample historical evidence backing what I’m saying. It’s the truth. But the cultural Marxist new leftists, and old leftists before them, have indeed tried to make hay out of what the meaning sounds like to modern ears exposed to Marxist radical environmentalist thought.

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  132. Why would decimating the Republican party be such a bad thing? They are just as likely to overspend as the Democrats. The Democrats would get decimated under this net tax payer right to vote rule as well. Nate is right, though, a lot of conservatives would lose the right to vote under Roissy’s net tax payer rule, where as plenty of liberals would retain their right to vote, such as many movie stars. It seems pretty fair, though, that the people who are paying for the government should be the ones that have all the say in it.

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  133. @subnuclear

    If you limited voting to people with 4-year college degrees, Republicans would have the majority.

    Umm….no that would be liberals…as we all know…college is where they “liberalize” you…

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  134. “Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch. A Republic is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.”

    No matter WHO said it or when, it’s friggin’ true.

    The US was founded as a constitutional republic, and for the reason that a straight democracy could devolve into a tyranny in short order through unreasoned passions.

    By laying down in a clearly written constitution what the responsibilities and limits of the government were, and what they were SUPPOSED to keep their damn noses out of, you avoided tyranny of the majority and the ruling few. There were things that were sacrosanct and inviolate unless changed by the overwhelming majority after long and considerable debate.

    Of course, what has happened over time has been a steady corrosion of the whole deal, by those claiming the Consitution:

    1) Does not mean what it says

    2) If it does mean what it says, it was wrong from the start and/or is now not relevant to our “modern times”

    3) Can be interpreted however “we” want because of #1 and #2, “we” being the political class, which does not include you peons

    4) Allows the government to do anything it does not explicitly ban within its text

    To assist with this whole enterprise things like deconstructionism were born which allows one to completely recaliberate the meaning of even common words, to make the reinterpretation of them all the more easy. Beats having to argue on the merits.

    The reason why the Second Amendment has been under assault by Progressives for so many years is because they understand that in the end, an armed populace gets a final veto on all things a government tries to do. That’s why the Founders put it in in the first place. It reasons that despite all else, when the government says “We can do whatever we want!” the average citizen gets to say, “Let’s see you try.”

    Now, this relates to more than just guns.

    People can be armed with knowledge as well, and with economic independence, and for similar reasons there has been a steady erosion on all these fronts. Political correctness, speech codes, campaign finance “reform”, internet regulation among others steadily constrict our ability to communicate ideas openly, while the myriad of taxes, regulations and overall interference in our daily lives chokes us, leaving us room to do little else than keep working to avoid running afoul the tax man or the bureaucrat.

    “It’s all part of the plan!”

    So, the question is not “rethinking democracy”, as democracy is not the problem.

    It is allowing the tenets of our REPUBLIC to be steadily eroded without pushback.

    It is accepting the concept that the US has no culture worth promoting or protecting.

    It is allowing the most cynical interpretation of our history to become the official version, ala Zinn and Chomsky and Moore.

    It is failing to understand that in the long, bloody and pain-filled trek through history that mankind has suffered, the United States stands out as the pinnacle of that progress, not some throwback.

    It is failing to keep tabs on politicians and all levels, and getting in their face on a regular basis, to let them know we’re paying attention.

    It is buying into all the relativistic crap we’ve been fed over the years, without challenge.

    It is allowing the laughingly illogical (“Arizona passes law making illegal-immigration a crime”) to become accepted as a reasonable point of view.

    In a sense, we’ve become political Betas, allowing the Alphas to run ramshod over us.

    When asked by a woman what kind of government he and his fellow Constitutional Conventioneers had drafted, Franklin replied, “A Republic, ma’am, if you can keep it!”

    If you can keep it.

    If we fail, it is not because the idea of democracy was a false path. It is because human failings do allow for any perfect system that runs without maintenance and monitoring. Democracy requires participation, and if we fail to participate, can we really blame democracy?

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  135. Last paragraph should have read:

    “It is because human failings do NOT allow for any perfect system that runs without maintenance and monitoring. Democracy requires participation, and if we fail to participate, can we really blame democracy?

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  136. “So everyone is in the revolution mood? Well…the only issue there is be careful in the media – consider if anyone is baiting anyone else into revolutionary actions like inciting “violence”. A FED could be anywhere co-opting anything. Look at those poor tea parties?”

    Oh please.

    The tea parties are a non-hierarchical, complex adaptive system phenomenon. No “leaders” stepping down matters, as there are no leaders. You can’t cut some deal with a tea party leader and co-opt them.

    People who truck in conspiracy theories while misapprehending what’s transpiring before their very eyes will miss the boat.

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  137. The short answer is pure governments of any kind are defunct. We were never supposed to be a democracy or a republic else the Constitution would have done nothing but create the means. However the Constitution created something known as inherent rights for individuals. The main idea was protection against the tyranny of the majority, cited by James Madison. The confiscations to provide liberty and happiness for another cannot be legislated.

    However I would also point out that the means involving mineral and land rights need special consideration. One’s labor is all their own. However an excessive accumulation of land by cartel ala United Fruit Company must be curtailed.

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  138. Umm….no that would be liberals…as we all know…college is where they “liberalize” you…

    GWB won the 4-year college vote in 2000 and 2004. It was pretty close in 2008 despite it being a strong Democratic year.

    The voters in the lowest 25% financially tend to be the most Democratic.

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  139. Lily–

    Sad stuff about the stepchildren “estimate the incidence of filicide (child-killing) among stepchildren to be as much as 100 times that of genetic children”, after all on the whole people know they aren’t there’s for a fact before they go into the relationship.

    Lest we become too abstract around here, and just to let you know Lily, my emotional reaction to discovering that a really young/infant kid of mine by my wife was really someone else’s, would be to righteously beat the living shiite out of the woman, and to kill the infant.

    Not saying I’d actually do that, considering what namby pamby and feminist times we live in, but that would be my really, really strong urge.

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  140. Oh and if I was on the jury, a guy doing the above would be acquitted or anyway not convicted by a hung jury.

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  141. Not sure what you Americans are complaining about, listen to what happened to this guy in India:

    http://news.msn.co.nz/article/7931716/indian-man-beaten-forced-to-marry-woman

    “An Indian man who tried to get out of a marriage at the last minute was beaten and dragged into the ceremony by a group of locals.”

    “But the groom’s reluctance didn’t seem to make the bride upset — she laughed throughout the ceremony.”

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  142. chic noir–

    how many Americans knew what the electoral college was before the 2000 election

    I sure as hell did.

    Maybe the dumb shiites shouldn’t be allowed to vote?

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  143. I’ve been thinking along the same lines as you, Roissey.

    We need to eliminate the emotional, stupid, and inexperienced from voting by:

    1) Restricting the vote to men only

    2) Instituting a LARGE poll-tax to means test for wealth

    3) Raising the voting age to 30

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  144. subnuclear,
    Good point about the military. A small, highly trained military probably makes more sense for what we need them for.
    Seran,
    You’re right. I just don’t understand how Americans let the government get so out of hand in the first place. If the ideas of James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington etc. were taught to children I think they would have internalized the concepts of a republic and voted accordingly. George Washington limited his own power in the presidency because he understood how important this was.

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  145. Are people here actually advocating dictatorships and anarchy over democracy?

    Take a long, hard look at yourselves.

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  146. Omega Dork,
    Instead of the complicated process of figuring out who the net tax payers are a simple solution of charging people to vote would possibly work also. How much money do you think would be reasonable?

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  147. This post got silly when people started talking about republicans and democrats….they’re the same thing….

    Anyone remember the Patriot Act? or Patriot Act 2?
    Bogus Trillion dollar wars overseas?(welfare is a drop in the bucket…compared to our militarization around the world)
    How about this bogus war on illegal immigration?(Capitalism will find the cheapest labor regardless how much conservatives want to regulate)…open borders lead to cheaper products for consumers…

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  148. I’d like to read Roissy’s take on this masochistic faggot…

    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2010/07/19/am.seg.bagley.old.spice.cnn?hpt=C2

    These are the manginas who enable our destruction.

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  149. Gorbachev–

    Most of the Canadians I met were conservative and mildly anti-American. Actually, most Canadians seem to be, in a genteel sort of way. Most disconcerting.

    Not disconcerting when you understand it better. It’s part of how Canadians maintain their own separate national identity.

    They are after all inundated by American media. It’s a big country on a map, but in actuality virtually their entire population lives in a narrow ribbon snuggled right up against the American border. Edmonton is the one big berg exception, for oil and gas reasons.

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  150. 1) Restricting the vote to men only

    2) Instituting a LARGE poll-tax to means test for wealth

    3) Raising the voting age to 30

    ______________________________________

    That would probably take care of half the shit right there. Rockwell’s 30 Day Plan is good too.

    Another idea I’ve had is to allow individuals (and only individuals) to hold title allodially rather than fee simple (subordinate to the State’s ultimate title). That way the people stay put, and the government gets hired and fired.

    Of course, these kinds of outcomes depend on an intelligent majority of net tax producers, which does not exist at this point. Cultural Marxism and public choice economics have done their work.

    This thing will just have to run its course into full-on socialism, then collapse and chaos. The artificial unity of the democratic supra-state will vanish, and people will coalesce along geographic/ethnic/credal lines. Naturally these communities will need protection, and there will be a literal market for private armies who will claim a monopoly over their particular area. The command structures for these agencies will solidify and over time will evolve into hereditary institutions.

    Neo-feudalism, and it is coming whether we want it or not.

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  151. I’ve read Hoppe.

    He makes the same mistake all idealists do, which is he puts way too much faith in human nature. Specifically, the nature of a monarch and his interest. He presumes the man will eb a rational actor.

    The mob may be dangerous, but the single fool in charge of a ship can perform a host of bads on a society that no democracy can manage.

    Democracy actually puts the least amount of faith in human nature, and is absolutely the most realistic.

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  152. I have yet to discover a single claim made about Game on this blog that does not stand up to critical investigation. Roissy/Chateau is unique among writers about Game in that he not only reveals the *how* but also doesn’t sugar-coat the *why*. And he backs up his claims with evidence and solid logic. When it comes to the subject of Game, Roissy is a clear-eyed skeptic while his sputtering opponents are in an ideological bubble.

    However, when Roissy writes about politics, the roles are reversed. He bases his arguments on assumptions that can only be considered true by those in the grip of ideological delusions. A telling sign is Roissy’s tendency to assert a false claim as presently true, but when called on it to admit that the claim is *currently* false but will *become* true. Two examples:

    –Roissy’s claim: Giving women the vote has destroyed the United States. Reality: The chart shows massive upward progress by virtually every meaningful measure during the several generations that have followed women’s suffrage. Roissy’s response: Well, it’s GONNA happen. Just you wait.

    –Roissy’s claim: Diversity has turned the United States into a conflict-riddled, dysfunctional waste land. Reality: During the 20th Century, the United States started as the most diverse nation on Earth and only became more diverse as the century progressed. At the same time it rose to become the world’s sole superpower. Roissy’s response: Well, it’s GONNA happen. Just you wait.

    This flip-flopping on reality will be familiar to those who have conversed with people suffering from paranoid delusions. When reality doesn’t conform to their terrified expectations, they claim that it WILL. Just you wait!

    Does Roissy feel that his claims about Game and the nature of women need proof in the form of the breakdown of society? Does he not realize that feminists can be full of shit but also female citizenship can be a good idea? That wild-eyed proponents of diversity can be full of shit but also diversity can be consonant with success?

    Roissy is correct that being irrationally self-confident can have good results when gaming girls. It doesn’t follow that the same mindset is good for filtering geopolitical facts.

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  153. I’m a supporter of those three pillars of the Enlightenment:

    Democracy, capitalism, and the scientific method.

    They go hand in hand in hand. They’re all self-correcting models, though capitalism seems to require the most tinkering.

    I don’t think just because democracy isn’t producing the results one group wants is any reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. This is they cry of the frustrated.

    Incidentally, national referendums are the single worst form of lawmaking in my opinion. ESPECIALLY on matters of war, immigration, etc. Yes, politicians are corrupt, but I expect them to at least have studied the merits of proposed bills before voting on them, since that’s their jobs. 320 million Americans don’t have time for this shit – that’s why we elect representatives. The majority of citizens are emotional, uninformed, and at least one in four are idiots, as South Park posited.

    If you want proof of the folly of referendums, take a look at California, which can’t tell its ass from a hole in the ground legislatively.

    As for democracy, yes it’s the worst system, except for all the others. I don’t need to be shipped to a labor camp just so we can have trains that run on time.

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  154. Laura — the poll tax has to be high enough that the elite who side with the “victims” can’t afford to pay for poll tax for their voters.

    I’d say $2000 to vote at the national and $1000 to vote at the state level, per election cycle.

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  155. “Democracy actually puts the least amount of faith in human nature, and is absolutely the most realistic.”

    Democracy is a time-honored method of governance but it only works with a homogenous population voting on things like fixing the potholes or permits for a new subdivision.

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  156. the term “net tax payers” has been used…actually most people pay a LOT more taxes than they think they do because so much is embedded in sales taxes, corporate taxes, real estate taxes on apartments, etc. Would be best to make tax-paying as explicit as possible rather than letting it be hidden.

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  157. Yes, politicians are corrupt, but I expect them to at least have studied the merits of proposed bills before voting on them, since that’s their jobs.

    LOL! Good one…

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  158. Democracy is a means of getting bad politicians out from time to time, not a means of getting great politicians in each and every time.

    Some other democratic reforms for the USA:
    – Moving the dates for taxes and elections closer to one another. Taxes, then a month later elections.
    – A tax or other benefit for voting.
    Preferential voting.

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  159. Lily,

    Sad stuff about the stepchildren “estimate the incidence of filicide (child-killing) among stepchildren to be as much as 100 times that of genetic children”, after all on the whole people know they aren’t there’s for a fact before they go into the relationship.”

    Conscious knowledge of facts is a relatively minor influence on behavior, especially when it comes to behavior related to survival and reproduction. The stepfather may THINK he is capable of being magnanimous toward another man’s offspring and sincerely WANT to be that way.

    But investing in another man’s offspring gives no advantage whatsoever to his genes, and every disadvantage. Whether he likes it or not, the best calculation for his genes is to have their carrier win over the mother, impregnate her, then kill all investment-sucking distractions.

    He’ll stand over the corpses truly feeling guilt and wondering what the hell happened to him. What happened to him was history — his genes are the product of environments in which this sort of behavior served their interests, for literally millions of years. His conscious desire to be good (a relatively new phenomenon in human evolution) could not compete with that history.

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  160. Fred–

    –Roissy’s claim: Giving women the vote has destroyed the United States. Reality: The chart shows massive upward progress by virtually every meaningful measure during the several generations that have followed women’s suffrage. Roissy’s response: Well, it’s GONNA happen. Just you wait.

    Girls now make up almost 60% of college enrollees and graduates. Yet the media sounds no real alarms and there’s no movement to change the heavily girls titled and boys ignoring and stunting in elementary and junior high and high schools that created this. Limited recess, math and science empowerment attitudes towards girls, nothing for boys in writing and languages, and so on.

    Ever heard of divorce theft 2.0 dumb wad? Marriage 2.0 has become almost entirely a one way imposed contract in America. In the typical case were a girl hypergamously marries a guy who does or soon will make more, often or usually quite a lot more, than she does, what exactly does a girl enforcably promise in a marriage? When she gets the kids virtually always, the house, and feminist way jacked up child support=stealth alimony for two kids equal to half and more of an upper middle earning man’s after tax income, with no enforced rights to even see his own kids, except when she feels like it. Oh and half his wealth, no matter how great, because it was an equal economic partnership say cultural Marxist 2nd wave feminists, for the first time beginning in the 70s.

    Dumb ass.

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  161. Fred–

    –Roissy’s claim: Diversity has turned the United States into a conflict-riddled, dysfunctional waste land. Reality: During the 20th Century, the United States started as the most diverse nation on Earth and only became more diverse as the century progressed. At the same time it rose to become the world’s sole superpower. Roissy’s response: Well, it’s GONNA happen. Just you wait.

    As for diversity, you aren’t really maintaining that the races have performed equally in America are you, during this diversity celebrating last few decades when NAMs all get affirmative action and similar such as “disparate impact” hiring, and prohibition of rigorous testing that disfavors lagging NAMs? What a freakin idiot.

    You aren’t really maintaining that having effectively open borders to heavily Amerindian Mexicans and Central Americans, who historically have performed at NAM levels in this country unto the 3rd and 4th generation, isn’t going to degrade this country are you? How is it that Indio heavy California now has the second lowest schools performance rate in the country, when four decades ago or so it was one of the highest? How is it that California is essentially bankrupt now, despite having one of the nation’s highest state and local tax rates. I mean in taking care of all these Latinos.

    Not all diversity is created equal dumb ass. Some races and ethnicities way outperform others. Gil in Sao Paulo Brazil will tell you that as well.

    Lefty PC addled idiot.

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  162. “Conscious knowledge of facts is a relatively minor influence on behavior, especially when it comes to behavior related to survival and reproduction. The stepfather may THINK he is capable of being magnanimous toward another man’s offspring and sincerely WANT to be that way.”

    Yeah, I’m pretty sure women recognize this too. That’s why if widowed, I can’t possibly conceive of remarrying if I still have any non-adult children. I can personally be a stepmother and probably not have any recognizable difference in parenting, except probably the paralyzing sense of panic when your own genetic offspring is in danger. Step parenting for a female would probably actually be more enjoyable. All the good stuff of parenting minus the panic and worry.

    Now, I still haven’t quite figured out why it’s so easy to bond with dogs (or at least breeds that demonstrate an ability to bond with their owners, ie loyal breeds) despite the genetic differences.

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  163. As someone outside of the mainstream political parties, the most alarming current trend in our political system is the disappearance of the GOP as a functioning and governing party. While they are limited as to what they can accomplish given their minority status, they also have a freedom to present new ideas and bold changes that the ruling coalition does not have the flexibilty to entertain.

    The Dems ARE governing, whether you like what they’re doing or not. They are trying to keep the ship sailing, whatever you may think of their course. The GOP has completely disappeared. On Meet the Press Sunday, Jeff Sessions could not put forward a single idea that the Republicans are advocating right now when pressed repeatedly by the host.

    Sessions is obviously an intelligent man, and no doubt there are ideas being discussed amongst the GOP, but for whatever reason, the GOP has calculated that it is better for them to not propose anything and to oppose the dems across the board. While blanket opposition to health care reform is somewhat defensible, the repeated attempts to block financial reform without any counter-proposals is a very scary sign.

    As someone neither a Dem or Repub, what concerns me is that there is no longer any check against the Dems’ obligations to the entitlement and minority classes that elect them.

    What has happened to the GOP? A couple theories: 1) they are politically dead. The demographics are such that they cannot be sustained, and their mentality has now shifted towards helping their own for as long as they can, the country be damned, 2) they really do not have any substantive ideas on lowering health care costs or regulating financial markets. Since Bill Clinton, they have got everything they wanted and it has resulted in an unsustainable explosion of costs in health care, and a depression in the economy. Maybe their ideas were too ideological and overly-simplistic, (they were just incorrect), and they really do not have ideas other than de-regulation and privatization, or 3) perhaps their demographic has it so good right now (and income inequality statistics may support this) that those that finance their elections and elect them only need them to block and say no. A “nothing” is a win for the status quo.

    I may sound like some liberal in these criticisms, but my concern is the disappearance of a conservatism seeking to govern the country as a whole. The dems cannot be the consensus party; they’ve already gone all in with their minority coalitions. The Repubs are the only party (in our current 2-party state) capable of governing on behalf of everyone, and they do not want to for whatever reason. Their silence on the economic crisis and financial regulation, not to mention their multiple attempts at blocking it without any alternative strategy, is a very bad sign for democracy in this country.

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  164. […] Roissy on democracy Here […]

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  165. Doug1,

    Try to read for comprehension.

    Your comment displays the deluded thinking I wrote about. You seem not to realize that a nation can go from divorce laws tilted heavily against women to divorce laws tilted slightly against men and IT’S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT.

    The pendulum went too far in the other direction. That needs to be corrected. But IT’S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT.

    Running around like chickens with our heads cut off is not a solid strategy for bringing divorce laws more in line with fairness or increasing male participation in college.

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  166. Richard02, so far, your solution seems to be the best!

    Therefore the solution is to make voting with your feet completely costless. This is done by ensuring that you are administered directly by the political party for which you voted in the last election. Then there would be a few government structures (two in the US) coexisting on the same territory and competing for voters and tax revenues. Not happy with the way the Democrats administer you? Vote Republican next time, and you will be administered for 4 years by Republicans according to Republican laws – regardless of what your neighbor or the majority choose.

    Brilliant. Why should I pay for mistakes of some some idiot (or their multitude threof)? He/she wanna vote progs, go ahead, be mugged by the reality of your choosing!

    Also, as the conservative government is concerned (i don’t care if the prog gummint will skim 75% of income of their voters), if there has to be an income tax (how about voluntary donations?), I want to specify exactly where my monies will be allocated, the areas and %. My wish is the law!

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  167. Fred–

    divorce laws tilted heavily against women to divorce laws tilted slightly against men

    What a joke you are.

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  168. Name,

    Step parenting for a female would probably actually be more enjoyable. All the good stuff of parenting minus the panic and worry.

    Indeed, you may not “panic and worry” as your stepchild crawled right off a cliff, or into a swimming pool. Oops! The stats on stepmothers’ behavior toward stepchildren are not encouraging. The folk-tale “evil stepmother” type developed for a reason. Robert Wright’s book “The Moral Animal” has some sobering information on step-parents’ (of both sexes) behavior toward stepchildren.

    Now, I still haven’t quite figured out why it’s so easy to bond with dogs (or at least breeds that demonstrate an ability to bond with their owners, ie loyal breeds) despite the genetic differences.

    Wolves are extremely social animals, and they developed complex emotions (such as guilt and joy) for the same reasons that humans did — to maintain social order. All domestic dogs are descended from wolves. The main difference is that artificial selection has been applied to breed dogs that apply their social instincts readily to humans (wild wolves find us unappealing). Dogs’ ability to feel and express the same emotions we do largely accounts for the uncanny bond between us.

    I suppose it also partly accounts for certain videos on motherless.com.

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  169. Doug1, Fred may be a clueless gay-sha, or eunuch, which would be an excuse.

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  170. “Indeed, you may not “panic and worry” as your stepchild crawled right off a cliff, or into a swimming pool. ”

    No, Fred. Nice try. I said there would be no noticeable difference in my parenting. You must have skipped over that part. I could argue that I was “more attentive” to kids I babysat for as a teen than my OWN child. If you babysit for a few hours on a Friday night and you HOVER, the kids won’t be scarred psychologically, and the parents won’t be mad at me for not watching their kids. f you hover over your own child regularly, you’re doing your child a disservice. I am actually quite an attentive parent. Never had a trip to the ER with broken bones, Draino ingestion, or all of the other “common” things that many parents let slip by. When I say “panic,” I’m referring to the level of overall unease that is present. The fact that ONCE you become a parent, you never get a good night’s sleep again. The panic and concern isn’t directly related to specific events. Nice try, though.

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  171. Doug1,

    Not all diversity is created equal dumb ass. Some races and ethnicities way outperform others.

    Try to read for comprehension. I cited the history of the United States in the 20th Century as evidence that “diversity can be consonant with success.”

    In the 20th Century, the United States began as diverse and became even more diverse. By the 1960s, we were one of two acknowledged superpowers in the world. Then, in the decades following a controversial expansion of civil rights to racial minorities, we experienced an explosion of wealth and productivity (while non-diverse and non-democratic Russia stagnated) and became the world’s *only* superpower.

    These facts don’t demonstrate that all races are equal. But they do demonstrate that diversity and civil rights clearly do not *prevent* a country from achieving stellar economic performance — in fact, the best performance on Earth, literally.

    If there were a correlation between greater diversity and economic decline, you’d at least have a starting point for your “Diversity = Doom” argument. But the correlation goes the other way. That doesn’t prove causation, but it *does* demonstrate that diversity is highly unlikely to stand in the way of a nation’s success.

    As far as the influence of immigrants on the economy, a great test case is under way in Arizona. There may soon be a massive exodus of Latinos — many of whom will be both legal and illegal immigrants — from that state. If Latinos are a net drain on Arizona’s economy we should see a sharp upturn for the economy of Arizona soon after those value-sucking brown people leave.

    Is that your prediction?

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  172. on July 19, 2010 at 1:37 pm Sir_Chancealot

    To Polymath:

    Mea Culpa. That was Benjamin Franklin that said that, NOT Thomas Jefferson. I ALWAYS (wrongly) attribute that quote to Jefferson, instead of (correctly) Franklin.

    Some say that the second sentence was never said by Franklin.

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  173. Diversity is code word for group identity politics. It is not a presence of various cuisines, that comes naturally.

    The slippery slope from diversity to adversity is quite narrow.

    “Hey, you have a lovely accent, whenre you come from?”
    “Tinuvanantapuram.”
    “So your nationality is…”
    “American.”

    And that should be the end of it.

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  174. on July 19, 2010 at 2:12 pm Cannon's Canon

    how does a student of social dynamics NOT aspire to fascism in his thought experiments?

    “steel is weak, boy. flessssh is stronger”

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  175. on July 19, 2010 at 2:14 pm Cannon's Canon

    fred: you are a jew. begone!

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  176. Jew is not a problem. Self-hating Jew is a problem. Always was a problem.

    Apropos, Cannon’s Canon, are you sure you are on the right site? Your 88 buddies may miss you.

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  177. Fred–

    Then, in the decades following a controversial expansion of civil rights to racial minorities, we experienced an explosion of wealth and productivity (while non-diverse and non-democratic Russia stagnated) and became the world’s *only* superpower.

    Correlation is not causation. America was on a trajectory and had the momentum certainly since the 1870s to be the world power she started to become in WWI and clearly became and has remained since WWII.

    Basic civil rights for blacks was a good and moral thing. All the leftist efforts to equalize (and Amerindians) by endlessly shaming whiles in the schools histories lefties wrote, in the mass entertainment media slowly, ever so slowly,etc. hasn’t been a good thing. Nor affirmative action nor the “disparate impact” rules of the EEOC which should be and probably now will be overturned by the Supreme Court (the process is in progress, back at a lower court).

    No child left behind and all the other endless concentrating on the bottom quartile of our schools because embarassingly for lefties that’s largely populated by NAM’s is a perversion of our public schools effort and has literally been wrecking them. Why does American high school kids’ performance on international tests fall at or near the bottom of the rich countries OECD club?? That’s way. That perverted schools focus. The middle and the top of school performing kids are what matter in a society, the smart fraction (107 IQ and up, more or less), not the NAM heavy bottom. Oh and that we’ve now let ourselves become 30% NAM during this lefty post 1960’s diversity hallelujah chorus is also part of why. It’s all been lead by lefty Jews by the way, who are the leading passionate advocates for “diverstiy”. So they won’t stand out as odd group amongst a homogeneous population more or less.

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  178. Fred:

    In the 20th Century, the United States began as diverse and became even more diverse. By the 1960s, we were one of two acknowledged superpowers in the world. Then, in the decades following a controversial expansion of civil rights to racial minorities, we experienced an explosion of wealth and productivity (while non-diverse and non-democratic Russia stagnated) and became the world’s *only* superpower.

    Correlation is not causation. We also cut a lot of crap out of the tax code and put a bunch of thugs in jail on drug charges.

    Quality of life by all sorts of metrics is lower in what we euphemistically call diverse neighborhoods (i.e., places with lots of dark-skinned people). Why do you think rich liberals vote with their feet and their money for white neighbors?

    Also – you are being disingenuous about “non-diverse Russia.” Recall that it was the extremely diverse Soviet Union back then. It has since devolved into its constituent nations.

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  179. Fred–

    I suppose you’re gonna try to tell me that diversity departments aka human resources ones, in big and sizeable corps and firms, and within government, helps increase business and bureaucratic efficiency.

    No what once did were civil service exam, without applying affirmative action. Now when there’s not a long tradition of them and even often when there is, such testing is often thrown out under government pressure, or lawsuit relying on the gov’t standard, of disallowing anything with “disparate impact” — on NAMs of course.

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  180. Fred–

    The idea that diversity of all kinds, the more the merrier, is good for a society is absurd on it’s face. But the “racism, racism, racism” taboo and terribly damaging charge out in the meatspace, non anonymous, world, keeps that freakingly obvious truth from being openly discussed.

    Obviously.

    Would America be better off on balance if all black Americans suddenly disappeared tomorrow in a puff of smoke. (Transported to some happier place, no genocide advocate here.) Certainly it’s not preposterous to think so, unlike if all whites were to disappear tomorrow. But the blacks here are citizens, the great majority of them. (And yeah we should deport the Haitians that came here illegally, but Obama’s given “temporary” asylum too. An evergreen temporary.) Our laws and basic humanity means of course they can’t be deported, our black citizens.

    But Hispanic heavily indio illegal immigrants. Deport all 20 million of them, anchor babies or not, starting tomorrow. Watch America’s unemployment level plummet. Male unemployment level, in this mancession. While overpaid municipal female workers get federal stimulus money to remain employed in California schools, teaching in Spanish rather than immersion English, which it’s clear as day works much much better.

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  181. Fred–

    In 1969 when America put a man on the moon, a feat unmatched much less exceeded by any other nation in the last 40 years (even though the Russians had a big head start in the space race), we were 10% non white.

    Now I think many of our Asian immigrants have been net positive for the country.

    But because under PC all diversity is axiomatically created equally, and it’s “racist, racist, racist” to look at the abundant and even overwhelming facts to the contrary, we’ve also had more or less open borders for heavily Amerindian Hispanics since the 1960s ended. And let stay far too many Haitians, etc.

    But the numbers story is all about the Mexicans and Central Americans.

    And hell yeah, when the unemployment rate for males aged 25 to 55 is at around 20%, I sure as hell want to see mass deportation of illegal Hispanic immigrants, anchor babies and all.

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  182. Fred–

    Here, this is for you. About teaching in a heavily black urban school.

    Note the lefty approach to discipline, suffused as it is with “disparate impact” concerns for black miscreants. Note the guy used to be a liberal.

    http://martynemko.blogspot.com/2009/06/white-teacher-speaks-out-what-is-it.html

    Or this one, which is similar, from another disillusioned liberal:

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_1_how_i_joined.html

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  183. on July 19, 2010 at 3:51 pm Cannon's Canon

    morsellaux,

    proceed with your campaign of even-handed, lawful, and precise arguments. i have opted for belligerent, unapologetic, and generalizing postures.

    austrians would call this a “rational preference”.

    and to really chap your ass (no homo): i learned it on this site!

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  184. Why do people think benign monarchy is unlikely? If there’s a monarchy, it will be Anglo-Saxon-Christian, i.e. on the British model. I suggest you read your history books, the Loyalists rightly pointed out that the whiny American rebels were already the most free people on Earth and the British stayed just as free for 150 more years until the rest of Europe caught up.

    Liberty is a 1000 year old tradition for the ethnic and political descendants of the British Isles.

    What some don’t understand is that it takes a really, really long time to break a system that was extremely strong and well thought out. It takes time to destroy families, you need at least 20-30 years to take out a generation and that’s assuming they all go along. A lot of Americans, God bless them, cling to their guns and religion and are retrograde cultural rebels preserving the old order. The Soviets and Chicoms couldn’t eliminate Christianity, but the smashed it enough to let materialistic atheism/socialism win the day. Christianity is only now becoming a truly minority culture in America.

    The U.S. carpet bombed the two industrial powers in WWII. That bought the country prosperity into the 1960s. Then the Germans, Japanese and even Latin Americans showed up and resource prices zoomed!

    Most of the world was still trapped in communism. When these communist people came out of bondage, they made cheap crap for Americans and the country ran up an epic pile of debt with literally few historic parallels. But by the mid-2000s, these people were competing to buy what they were manufacturing and resource prices zoomed! The U.S. has avoided facing real economic choice because prosperity affords luxury, and unless USG popularizes communism overseas, they’re in trouble.

    Society can afford to break up families into two households and support the female household when there’s plenty of wealth. They can afford the drugs and care for the messed up children that come out of this system. They can pay for massive police forces to patrol urban war zones (see Oakland, the cops are going to ignore a whole list of crimes due to budget cuts).

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  185. on July 19, 2010 at 4:03 pm Cannon's Canon

    Doug1,

    i had both of those links open as tabs in my browser all weekend.

    sailer and mangan’s posts, and their ensuing commentary, were very interesting to me. i had a fleeting interest in Teach for America last year, mostly for its merits of getting laid by liberal sluts and putting off meaningful lifestyle decisions.

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  186. Orthodox–

    When these communist people came out of bondage, they made cheap crap for Americans and the country ran up an epic pile of debt with literally few historic parallels.

    The public debt in Europe is worse. What’s shocking is that the US used to be so prudent in that.

    What’s bad in America is the household debt.

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  187. The best fix is to add more parties. Having a two party system isn’t how democracy should run. Just like a competitive market the more party the better to avoid corruption.

    USA will have nothing to worry about until China changes into a democratic power. All the talent in the world still flock to the good old USA.

    Haters can threaten to move to Canada, which they never will or if they in Canada move back to Europe… have fun at the socialist convention.

    Sometimes it’s scary how accurate SWPL is.

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  188. Cannon’s Canon,

    proceed with your campaign of even-handed, lawful, and precise arguments.

    Well, thank you. I have to admit, though, that I sin very often.

    i have opted for belligerent, unapologetic, and generalizing postures. austrians would call this a “rational preference”.

    Ozzies are the wise ones. There is always a room for improvement in that line of communication.

    and to really chap your ass (no homo): i learned it on this site!

    Usual idiom is “to chap your hide”, but a creativity is always a desired trait.

    You learned it here? OMG, I can’t imagine what your life must have been prior your participation here! I started cursing and using belligerent expressions at the age or 4!

    I am overwhelmed with sincere compassion. 🙂

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  189. on July 19, 2010 at 5:26 pm Miles Anderson

    TG: “This post got silly when people started talking about republicans and democrats….they’re the same thing….”

    This is dead on. They have no reason to be any different then it takes to chop up the undecided in the middle. N=2 parties is special in this way. For any larger N we would be way better off. Not a cure all for sure, but if you want to seed long term change it is the first step. Any change will be “repaired” in/by our current system.

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  190. Rats! I have to put off drinking so early, did read australians instead of austrians.

    I am not sure about austrians (if their expletives dictionary is as rich as czechs’ then they are a fine bunch) but I still maintain that ozzies are the wise ones, with their capacity for a multi-modal colorful derogatory verbiage.

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  191. doug

    Russia put someone in outter space before the USA did.

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  192. A Federal government that was forced to stick to its ennumerated powers and no others would end this problem. No money coming from DC except for the military. When corruption doesn’t pay, it stops. Term limits, one term in any Federal office. No more career politicians.

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  193. on July 19, 2010 at 5:51 pm Cannon's Canon

    I still maintain that ozzies are the wise ones

    a national pedigree of goldbugs and criminals

    there may be some ‘austrian’ in you after all!

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  194. ApplierEven laws against eating da Pupu can be passed…

    and you say that like it’s a bad thing 🙂

    I can think of far more nutritious delicacies to eat.

    Doug, I know you’re smart enough to know that teacher’s story was greatly embellished.

    &

    Why would you want to kill the kid? I could understand wanting to beat the hell out of your wife but the kid did nothing to deserve your wrath. Why do you have such hateful feelings towards children?

    You know you weren’t always a 6 foot hunk of alpha, you were once a kid to right. I’m sure you can remember what it feels like to be a helpless 5 year old who isn’t allowed to make any discussions for yourself.

    Now all things being equal, I hope you’re up for taking a butt whipping if impregnate another woman on your wife’s dime. Cause that means you’ll be taking money out of your first household when you have to support a second home. & you may have exposed her to an STD.

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  195. Don’t forget…..

    No debasement of the money supply……and you simply must get rid of usury.

    Not the high-interest rate usury, but lending at interest in general.

    THIS is what destroys societies……

    Compound interest is the most powerful force in the universe.

    When money can only be created by borrowing it into existence……well, the timer has been set. Eventually the interest burden overwhelms the principal. That moment is when collapse ensues.

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  196. Chic Noir–

    Because the infant in the case we’re talkin about is a fundamental fraud upon me. The very worst sexual betrayal. Didn’t deserve to exist. Isn’t gonna exist. That evil spawn.

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  197. chic noir–

    Doug, I know you’re smart enough to know that teacher’s story was greatly embellished.

    I don’t know anything of the kind. Though yeah, I’m way smart and rich to boot. Earned rich.

    As for impregnating another woman outside the girl I love, that’s my nightmare. I sure has hell want to keep in from happening. Against the danger and frequent reality out there of their plotting, oopsing and so on. God do I want an effective non condom male birth control method, without horrific side effects.

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  198. “Honestly I don’t see it quite that bad yet.
    Before the fall of Rome, there were
    many times they predicted its imminent fall
    when it still had a good 200 years to go.
    You’re taking what I’d say is a 10% chance of failure
    and inflating it into a 99% chance. ”

    When the US-Fed can no longer borrow, what happens?
    There are no plausible solutions.

    Try

    a) Cutting expenses. Expect riots in the streets, Greece-style.
    b) Raising taxes. Cannot be done. (They can raise the RATES,
    i.e. percentages, but not the actual revenue.)
    c) Printing money. Prepare for hyperinflation.
    d) Other (specify).

    Hard to predict which one, but I think c)
    is the most likely.

    As to where to move, Switzerland is a great option,
    but it only works if you have LOTS of money. If not,
    they are unlikely to let you in. And even if they
    did, everything is expensive there. Make sure you speak
    good German or French, preferably both. (You DON’T
    need Italian, but if you have it, go for those cantons.)

    For those of us less monied, various islands in the
    Caribbean look good. Even there, you need to bring
    your own money (investment, pension or internet work),
    both to be let in, and to live on. You can live cheaply
    compared to the US but this is largely because local wages
    are really low – you would not want to depend on that.
    And the money required is LOTS less than in Switzerland.

    In all cases, make sure you are worth more alive
    (and resident) than dead – or departed – to the host country.

    @Nicole

    “Young women under 25 will be thin, and there
    won’t be many superfat women (or men) anymore,
    but most will look like FLDS women…


    They look beddable enough to me. The superthin is largely
    a creation of the fashion industry, which is run by
    homosexual men who either hate women or want them to
    look like young boys. Playboy centerfolds are generally
    NOT superthin, the women in the ads are.

    @Gorbachev
    Long quote, interspersed with my comments:

    “Americans are among the world’s least traveled people.
    We’re hopelessly provincial and narrow-minded.”

    This is an old lark. Of course Americans travel abroad
    much less than the average resident of Belgium.
    You cannot travel very far in Belgium before you hit a border. Duh.

    “Our urbanites think there’s no land between JFK and LAX;
    the country folk in between get hives when
    someone who looks
    marginally different moves in next door. ”

    Indeed, this is a problem. “Flyover states” and all that.

    “We’re ignorant to the point of embarrassment:
    the average Aussie or Canuck knows far more about
    the world and the US than most Americans do.
    How many Americans can name every American state
    and place them on a map?”

    The American school system sucks, I agree. But the US
    is a lot more important to Canada than vice versa, so
    you would EXPECT the average Canadian to know more
    about the US than vice versa. (And, yes, Harper’s
    French has good grammer – thank you TelePrompTer –
    but atrocious pronunciation.)

    “Place Mexico or Canada? Cuba? Japan?”
    Most actually could. I hope.

    “When I travel abroad, the overpowering ignorance
    of other Americans abroad never, ever ceases
    to stun me into shamed silence. We’re so collectively
    stupid we don’t even know how stupid we are.”

    When you travel abroad, how come you run into
    other Americans often enough to form an opinion???
    When I travel outside the US
    I only rarely run into other Americans.
    (An exception being a bar in Angola, where one
    of the Kennedy brats created a scene,
    starting with him believing he could speak Portuguese
    and fueled by a fulminationg sense of entitlement.)

    @Gunslinger
    “There are people doing things just not killing
    the right people when they go out.
    They tend to kill their families then themselves.
    If they would start including judges and lawyers
    in the mix guarranteed shit would be a changing.”

    Interesting…..

    @fatocrat:
    “The best critique of democracy by far comes from Paul Treanor:
    http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/democracy.html
    Incredible stuff. I think he’s one of the most important thinkers today.”

    Unless you are a galloping Rawlsian, much of this is tripe.
    Bemoaning the lack of rights for illegal aliens! Hell, they
    CHOSE to enter another country illegally (or stay beyond the
    statutory limited time, or whatever). They can go back
    if they don’t like it.

    @TheGJ

    Yup. Regardless of one’s ideological leanings, success does
    tend to breed failure, in that a successful nation will
    tend to end up with a dumb, fat and happy populace
    without much of a challenge in them.

    @dana
    “How much longer will the electoral college hold?
    there are noises made towards abolishing it every
    time a republican ekes one out past the gerrymandering
    when thats gone what aspect of the ‘republic’
    will remain in your estimation?”

    No. You cannot Gerrymander a whole state.
    Yes, I agree that the electoral college should stay.
    Alternatively, I would vigorously insist, if
    the EC is gone, that it be replaced by some kind
    of runoff system, like in France and elsewhere,
    otherwise we’d end up like Chile or Nicaragua with
    some crazed lefty “winning” with a scant plurality.
    (or somebody just crazed, lefty or otherwise).

    @DFCcomm
    “The people, or culture, is what determines how well
    a good system will be followed. That’s why ours
    worked so well. It wasn’t those pretty words, it was us.”

    Yup. And “us” failed by pedestalizing FDR, chief among
    “progressives”. Among his many sins, he threatened the
    Supremes with adding 11 more handpicked (by FDR) judges
    if they did not see things his way on Wickard v. Filburn,
    the beginning of the end of our republic.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn

    @Balzac
    “* Repeal the 26th Amendment.
    Kinda flips the old argument for a lower drinking age
    on its head: if an 18-year-old can’t be trusted to
    drink a beer, why should he be trusted to vote?”

    Sensible question. But the reverse does not work.
    Trusting somebody with a personal decision is one thing.
    Trusting him to make decisions for others
    is quite another.

    “* Secession.
    Maybe, if precise geographical divisions were already there,
    but they’re not”

    Actually, they are. They are known as states.

    @Fred
    “Roissy’s claim: Giving women the vote has
    destroyed the United States.
    Reality: The chart shows massive upward progress
    by virtually every meaningful measure during
    the several generations that have followed
    women’s suffrage. Roissy’s response:
    Well, it’s GONNA happen. Just you wait.”

    OMG! OK, we have had economic growth,
    mostly stalled since the
    1970s, on a per-capita, inflation-adjusted basis (except for
    a superwealthy elite which pushes up the averages but not
    the medians). But by any other measure, primarily
    personal freedom, quality of education, social cohesion
    etc. it has been a brutal downhill slide, especially
    since 1970 or so.

    Thor

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  199. doug, all birth control has side effects because you’re putting something foreign in your body but I get what you’re saying. Most female birthcontrol carry a warning for women over 35 and smookers(blood clots).

    Since men would have to take birth control for their entire lives(14-dealth) I can only imagine some of health problems men will start to have once male birth control comes on the market.

    doug1 Didn’t deserve to exist. Isn’t gonna exist. That evil spawn.

    Once the kid takes his first breath, he’s a human being with some rights. You’re anger should be with your wife who betrayed you, not the small child. the better option would be for you to walk away from the marriage and demand a DNA test before signing the birth certificate.

    Even if a woman wants to cheat on her husband. It’s a lazy woman who allows herself to become pregnant by another man. With the many types of birth-control in addition to plan B and condoms on the market, there is no excuse.

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  200. doug I don’t know anything of the kind.

    Well, as a self professed Negro, a few things stuck out to me. The most blarring of course….Why would they have an exchange student as such a rundown unacademic brick and motor place of supposed learning. I’ve never head of such a school having exchange students. What would the German student learn there that he didn’t learn in Middle school.

    The German exchange student would most certainly intellectually overpower most American students anyway but especially those from such subpar academic backgrounds muddled with urban decay and familial apathy.

    That is not the type of school that would foster good relations between German student and American students. His life would be in danger and if something happened to him, it would all over the local, national, and international news.

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  201. lol thor

    come to philadelphia in pennsylvania and tell me you cant “gerrymander a whole state”–the bullshit that goes on in philly and pittsburgh throws a conservative white state into the dem camp every election. the gerrymandering and vote stealing and cheating doesn’t have to happen in the whole state, just key areas. when the illegals are all given amnesty there will be a permanent dem majority as the last few “swing states” turn solid blue

    also that was nice agreeing with me that it should stay–as if i had made it a question so that you could say the rest.

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  202. When the US-Fed can no longer borrow, what happens?
    There are no plausible solutions.

    People have been asking themselves exactly this wrt Japan. And they have been predicting a Japanese default for 20 years.

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  203. Not sure if radically restricting the franschise would be much good. For example, it’s not the poor who support open door immigration, its the rich. However, I do believe people should have to have either a high school diploma, or own property to be able to vote, that would at least stop some of the underclass from voting.

    The problem is that we have a full democratic franchise, but we don’t have majoritarian democracy. It’s like the worst of both worlds. The worst aspects of democracy and the worst aspects of cosmopolitan elitism at the same time.

    One solution, get rid of the political parties, and divide government into a series of cabinets. Each political candidate then campaigns for a seat on one of the cabinets. For example, Clinton for the foreign affairs cabinet and Tancredo for the immigration cabinet.

    This would ensure people got a chance to vote on the issues that they are actually interested in, one at a time, and most people wouldn’t bother voting on dry technical things they don’t know anything about.

    The candidates elections could be on-going, so people don’t have to vote on too many things at once, while every 5 years the cabinets members all get together to vote one of their number to be President.

    Ths would ensure the left can’t minipulate different ethnic groups to gang up on whitey, as the Democrats do with Blacks.

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  204. US is a lost cause, get out while you still can. Get your family out if you can.

    Most people have no appreciation of the type of home they can have in Mexico, Ukraine, Vietnam, etc. for the cost of the McMansion in a US suburb.

    A $300k home can buy something comparable in many countries, with enough left over to fill a bank account and live off the interest virtually tax free. Crime is only an issue if you (openly) live high on the hog and draw attention to yourself or refuse to make friends who can look out for you. Petty corruption and vagrancy comes with the territory, but these are surprisingly easy to get used to.

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  205. This was an excellent post and thread, thanks guys. I’m printing it out for study.

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  206. It’s not the political system, it’s the monetary system. The Fed Reserve was established before all the other lunacy-for a reason. Soon as you go back to lawful (allodial) money you take the power back and put it in the back pocket of the people, especially the productive. It’s what the Austrians have said all along, Greenspan wrote an essay on it, and the great Ferdinand Lipps wrote a book about it. Look, we’ve been here before, the revolutionary era of the 18th century didn’t just happen in a monetary vaccuum. The worst sorts of taxations, hyperinflations, depredations and social dysfunctions occurred in the run up to Resumption Act of 1821, and the return to a Gold Standard. Having an empirical numeraire is one of the most important concepts for anybody who believes that people should have the right and the freedom to live within the laws of nature, if they so choose. I don’t live in America, but I must say if I did and somebody who told me $100 trillion dollars in government obligations was not a direct threat to my life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness…I’d mock them for the braindead servile statist scum that they are. We believe we are wealthy because we have sold out kid’s grandkids’ into debt slavery.

    The western hemisphere is clearly in overshoot in regards to finance, debt, illusionary beliefs in what true wealth is and all the associated social dysfuntions that go with it. The bill is coming due and the reckoning will be one for the history books.

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  207. @Thor,

    @Gorbachev
    Long quote, interspersed with my comments:

    “Americans are among the world’s least traveled people.
    We’re hopelessly provincial and narrow-minded.”

    This is an old lark. Of course Americans travel abroad
    much less than the average resident of Belgium.
    You cannot travel very far in Belgium before you hit a border. Duh.

    Also goes for the most isolated countries in the Western world, too: Australia and NZ. Canadians travel more. Europeans get to the Caribbean more than Americans.

    We’re just a very provincial country. We should all be sent to other countries to live for periods of time.

    “Our urbanites think there’s no land between JFK and LAX;the country folk in between get hives when
    someone who looks marginally different moves in next door. ”

    Indeed, this is a problem. “Flyover states” and all that.

    That’s the real cultural divide in this country: Urban and not.

    “We’re ignorant to the point of embarrassment:
    the average Aussie or Canuck knows far more about
    the world and the US than most Americans do.
    How many Americans can name every American state
    and place them on a map?”

    The American school system sucks, I agree. But the US
    is a lot more important to Canada than vice versa, so
    you would EXPECT the average Canadian to know more
    about the US than vice versa. (And, yes, Harper’s
    French has good grammer – thank you TelePrompTer –
    but atrocious pronunciation.)

    But Australians and Brits are the same. America really has wretched education systems.

    “Place Mexico or Canada? Cuba? Japan?”
    Most actually could. I hope.

    You’d be surprised. Surveys say, … no.

    “When I travel abroad, the overpowering ignorance
    of other Americans abroad never, ever ceases
    to stun me into shamed silence. We’re so collectively
    stupid we don’t even know how stupid we are.”

    When you travel abroad, how come you run into
    other Americans often enough to form an opinion???

    I meet a lot abroad. I get abroad a lot.


    When I travel outside the US
    I only rarely run into other Americans.
    (An exception being a bar in Angola, where one
    of the Kennedy brats created a scene,
    starting with him believing he could speak Portuguese
    and fueled by a fulminationg sense of entitlement.)

    Yeah, we get that sense of entitlement everywhere. I wonder why.

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  208. bullshit we’re fuckin provincial–what we are is HUGE and GEOGRAPHICALLY DIVERSE

    we have every type of climate to visit, 1000s of parks, forests beaches, skiing and tropical beaches. we have different cultures and regional foods and all manner of recreations right in our own country—we don’t HAVE TO LEAVE the US to see the sun, like certain obnoxious inbred backwater islands who shall remain blessedly nameless

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  209. Chic:

    “Why would you want to kill the kid? I could understand wanting to beat the hell out of your wife but the kid did nothing to deserve your wrath. Why do you have such hateful feelings towards children?”

    I would say his reaction is pretty normal even “natural.” Flip the script. Your husband impregnates a random ho. How does that feel? Are you going to bake and knit in a “everybody get together and love one another” spirit? What about babysitting the infant so they could go out on “date night”? Swap beauty tips and recipes? Wash their cum-stained sheets? Yeah, I didn’t think so. Clearly, you’re not going to be that accomodating. I might even say you’d be mad, most likely enraged. So, the “oops, I slept with a coworker” for the wife becomes “oops, I killed someone’ for the wronged spouse. Things happen, including death.

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  210. chic

    men don’t care about children they aren’t related to and like lions would happily kill another man’s seed and move in on his woman

    how can you post here for years and not understand that

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  211. How does that feel?
    Angry and mad as hell.

    Are you going to bake and knit in a “everybody get together and love one another” spirit?

    no but I wouldn’t want to kill the baby either. I don’t understand how anyone can look at a 2 year old and want to kill him/her. I just don’t get it.

    What about babysitting the infant so they could go out on “date night”?

    Well I certainly wouldn’t but some women do take in the children their husbands had out of wedlock. I would want my children*shudders* to get to know the other child since he/she is their sibling.

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  212. dana

    men don’t care about children they aren’t related to and like lions would happily kill another man’s seed and move in on his woman

    Sadly there is some truth to this. It’s why some men will molest,beat, abuse and kill there step-children. It’s a very sick and sad part of human nature.

    how can you post here for years and not understand that

    I get it but it’s bothersome to my female mind.

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  213. “I would want my children*shudders* to get to know the other child since he/she is their sibling.”

    Holy LORD know. And we’re an extrememly small family. Sure, I’d love to pull children and family members out of the woodwork to have a normal-sized family. But no way would that be a sibling. Well, more power to you for your openness and acceptance.

    BTW- I wouldn’t actually kill the child or offending female. I doubt I’d even be vicious enough to make lower level (soap opera) attempts to detroy the girl’s life. I’d simply walk. I’ve got much better things to do with my time.

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  214. chic noir–

    I don’t understand how anyone can look at a 2 year old and want to kill him/her. I just don’t get it.

    I could easily if it were a fraud upon me.

    Count on it Chic.

    And I’m a paragon of society. Hah.

    Smoke that in your deluded pipe and smoke it.

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  215. chic

    why do you think several men are reported on the news a month killing their OWN wives and children?

    if a thing threatens a man, his money, his self or public image, his life, his reputation his instinct is to kill it. as women destroy every aspect of society that worked to civilize men into holding back and channeling that murderous rage (see american psycho) into more productive efforts you will be “shocked” to see more and more men killing 2 year old babies without a second thought

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  216. Chic Noir—
    Let me say something to you, amidst all this race talk.

    I think you’re a fun delightful sweetheart for the most part around here. You’ve been fun and very supportive of me. You’ve cheered most of my flirting successes here, mostly around a year ago before Bhetti and I became an online/distance thing, supplemental for me, keeping her Arab Muslim (smartypants) virginity for her. I really like the girl in you Chic Noir.

    From my side I’d be very happy to have you as a real life friend. Come to our place, hang out, etc. Maybe even weekends w/us, once in awhile.

    Now of course you’ve tended to be all solidarity with other blacks here when there’s any us v. them vibe going. That’s the way it is in the US.

    What I think about race and IQ and aggressiveness and so on is that it’s all about overlapping statistical bell curves. No blacks aren’t all less smart than whites or anything like that. But the average for blacks is lower and so is the top end. Overlapping bell curves. Something similar on aggressiveness, this time blacks having more. I do think this is biologically / genetically driven for the most part, at least in the social and economic conditions of the current US. As well I’ll note that the 16 +/- 2 IQ points diff between blacks and whites has remained stable considering all tests, for the last 100 years, despite lefty lying. And boy do Marxist heritage lefties lie about social reality.

    I talk about it a good bit when it’s raised here because the left is totally turning our society upside down and has been for 40 years on the lie that lagging black performance, and Hispanics too, is due entirely to white oppressions and discrimination, which must be ongoing. Else how else explain the gap? Other than “racism, racism, racism”.

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  217. Hey guys, the study was referencing step children, not children born of cuckoldry.

    But even if latter, personally I can’t see murder.
    If a partner/husband of mine was to father another child, I would be very unhappy about it but if I stayed with him, I’d want him to be a man about it and support the child and accept the child in some way into our lives. It’s important children have their fathers in their lives. And if by any chance the child’s mother was a ‘ho’ (though I’d like to think my husband wouldn’t be the type to knock someone like that up) and there was a risk he/she wasn’t going to be looked after properly, I would of course want to take them into our home if it were possible.

    @dana
    ” as women destroy every aspect of society that worked to civilize men into holding back and channeling that murderous rage (see american psycho)”
    I’m not sure you can blame women or feminism for the contents of American Psycho but if you think that perhaps you ought to email Brett Easton Ellis and ask him what he thinks.

    And certainly infanticide was bigger in Roman times than it is now, which was a long time before feminism.

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  218. Let me say something to you, amidst all this race talk.

    doug, actually you don’t talk about it as much and in the same way that some folks here do. they talk about it far more than I do and I’m supposedly on the losing end cube time because I’m blk,female, spectrum autistic.

    *chic noir shrugs shoulders*
    what can I say. With all my weirdness, chic noir will still enjoy life. People have it far worse than I do.

    From my side I’d be very happy to have you as a real life friend. Come to our place, hang out, etc. Maybe even weekends w/us, once in awhile.

    That would be nice but you would find that while I’m pretty(no vanity here folks & no snowflakism) I’m very quite,shy, and somewhat awkward in real life. I’m not sure you would enjoy my company. It takes a special type to tolerate the real chic noir.

    You’ve cheered most of my flirting successes here,

    yea, I like e-romances and flirting. I think as much as I deny it, I’m a romantic at heart. It’s a shame more of the betas here don’t follow your lead. If they can’t work up to opening up to a woman online, how can they do it in real life when you don’t have time to think and pause. Where the woman can see you becoming flustered. If you want to get better at something most people must , practice practice, practice.

    *chic noir shrugs shoulders*

    *chic noir and doug exchange a hug*

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  219. @Doug
    “with no enforced rights to even see his own kids, except when she feels like it.”
    This works both ways. As you know, I’m no fan of women who take a lot of a guy’s money (full stop in any situation) but worse don’t give him access to his child. She may move to a place it’s impractical etc

    But I do personally know women who have trouble with ex husbands who are unreliable with when they have access and the woman has to deal with the disappointed child/ren.

    And what I mean about the both ways, just yesterday a female friend was telling me how her ex doesn’t pay school fees. She doesn’t get any child support (she didn’t think to ask), she pays all the child’s expenses including nanny. All he has to do is pay school fees (direct to the school) but he doesn’t or does it sporadically. She could try and get it enforced but she’d have to go back to court which she’s not keen on, if nothing else she’s still recovering from the divorce a year ago which was pretty traumatic all around.

    She’s actually quite keen on joint custody as her ex played an active role in the child’s life and she’d like him to carry on (he only lives down the road)
    but he is unreliable even on the access.

    I think the whole thing’s a control thing. Very sad when people use people as pawns, whatever gender they are.

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  220. @dana
    Apologies, I misread your reference to American Psycho, just realised it was an example of male rage rather than blaming feminism. Sorry!

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  221. on July 19, 2010 at 9:13 pm The Specimen

    Whatever you say about instinct and all that jazz, in the end we are more than just animals aren’t we? I guess it’s more of a philosophical question, but one way of looking at it is that civilization is the imposition of man’s higher abstract consciousness onto nature, inside and outside of his own mind. From a Judeo-Christian perspective, one could say that man’s animal instincts are the basis of his sinful nature, which he constantly struggles with in an attempt to attain the good. So while man may have an instinct to murder, maim, rape, steal, lie, etc, it is that fact that he can control these baser impulses that sets him apart from the dogs. Hence the exclusion and discipline we subject those who lack this facility to. I guess what I’m saying is, just because you want to do it in the heat of the moment don’t make it smart or right. File this under why men who kill children are douchebags. Just sayin’.

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  222. lily

    i know logic is hard

    i didnt say “feminism causes infanticide”

    man after man flipping out and coldly and methodically killing their wives and children isnt “infanticide”, its men being driven to multiple murders by circumstances caused by feminism

    the practice of exposing children in rome was BIRTH CONTROL–the main form of birth control practiced in human societies since our inception–more babies were harvested from the seine in paris in the 1700s than fish

    as for your comment regarding emailing brett easton ellis and asking him what he thinks–were you proffering some sort of argument with that comment? it was fully content free. what specifically is your objection to my intimation that american psycho was about the internal life of a modern male as his status seeking, murder and rape urges are channeled into business competition.

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  223. lily my comment was written before apologies post

    pax

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  224. It´s not excessive democracy that is the major problem of the west. The truly destructive trends in society (mass third-world immigration, multiculturalism, the destruction of western tradition from architecture to art to literature, feminism) are largely elite pursuits.

    Whatever resistance there is to the destruction of the west comes through the conduit of – you guessed it – democracy. There is a reason that the elite hates and loathes direct democracy. If anything, we need more democracy, not less, in order to save ourselves from our liberal, suicidal elite.

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  225. seagull the destruction of western tradition from architecture

    architecture, really? Please explain.

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  226. o.k, my 2 cents.
    no one should be buying into the race swindle.
    all governments have found a nice scapegoat in economic downtimes.
    america stole texas from mexico, i have NO problem with
    indigenous people being here.
    america STOLE this land.
    america is NOT nation buliding in iraq or afghanistan.
    america is outright killing millions of civilians for fun and profit and to emply racist, brainwashed marines, (who would other wise be unemployed)over there.
    electing republican back into office in 2012??
    really?
    stop voting, UNLESS its for a third party.
    unless youve really not been paying attention, you know that.
    the war SHOULD be against the RICH.
    NOT minorities, they have NO power.
    EVERYONE who has EVER ripped me of in this country has been white.
    the REAL enemy is the wealthy beyond imagination rich.
    one hedge fund manager last year made 4 billion dollars!
    are you kidding me?

    this country is ran for and by the rich.
    corporations run this oligarchy.
    obama is NOT a socialist, i wish!
    hes just another wealthy capitalist

    stop falling for the race baiting, its just a diversion.

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  227. EVERYONE who has EVER ripped me of in this country has been white.

    Fuck you, you racist bigot faggot.

    Go fuck yourself with a wooden spoon you cocksucking Western Civilization hater.

    Oh yeah, GO FUCK YOURSELF, RACIST BIGOT!

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  228. uh, im not a racist, and im white.
    and yep, everyone who has ripped me off, i could make a list, but you already know, car salesmen, white slumlords, white police, etc etc.
    the ONLY white person that HASNT ripped me off? white women!.
    i never married, no kids, thank you you hypergamous beauties, for ignoring me all these years, turned out to be one heckuva saving grace!
    i couldve done withought all the shaming language though. i cured that lil problem though, by simply never talking to women ever again.
    in a thread packed full of racists, weird and funny that anyone would accuse me of being a bigot, when IM denouncing racism.

    try to read this stuff through, BEFORE commenting

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  229. john halder,

    EVERYONE who has EVER ripped me of in this country has been white.

    So you are a self-hating white. That does not absolve you, you are still a bigot.

    corporations run this oligarchy.
    obama is NOT a socialist, i wish!

    You wish? Kid, you have no idea what you are talking about. Have you ever lived in socialism? Not the wishy-washy semi-socialism like Sweden, that vwill not last as it is running out of money to redistribute. Probably not, else you wouldn’t wish.

    At least in capitalism, you have an economic opportunity. It is becoming harder as the big biz and the socialists found liking in each other and their interest are on the same page.

    But in socialism, the economic opportunity is removed from you. The dichotomy between the new rich (the nomenclatura–ruling class) and the new poor (everyone else) is so stark that capitalism looks like a great equalizer.

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  230. […] { July 20, 2010 @ 1:53 am } · { economics, op-ed columns, serf-a-nation not tea party nation } Is It Time To Rethink Democracy? « Citizen Renegade. […]

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  231. @The Specimen
    From a Judeo-Christian perspective, one could say that man’s animal instincts are the basis of his sinful nature, which he constantly struggles with in an attempt to attain the good. So while man may have an instinct to murder, maim, rape, steal, lie, etc, it is that fact that he can control these baser impulses that sets him apart from the dogs. Hence the exclusion and discipline we subject those who lack this facility to. I guess what I’m saying is, just because you want to do it in the heat of the moment don’t make it smart or right. File this under why men who kill children are douchebags. Just sayin’.

    I must add something.

    Our animal instincts are also responsible for our decent and altruistic behavior, language acquisition, and fairness.

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  232. John Halder,

    yup, you’re not a racist because you are white and only hate the white race!

    “My white skin disgusts me. My passport disgusts me. They are the marks of an insufferable privilege bought at the price of others’ agony.” — Robin Morgan, The Demon Lover, (NY: Norton & Co., 1989), p. 224

    Both of you racists can lick my bleeding arsehole!

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  233. @seagull
    It´s not excessive democracy that is the major problem of the west. The truly destructive trends in society (mass third-world immigration, multiculturalism, the destruction of western tradition from architecture to art to literature, feminism) are largely elite pursuits.

    Whatever resistance there is to the destruction of the west comes through the conduit of – you guessed it – democracy. There is a reason that the elite hates and loathes direct democracy. If anything, we need more democracy, not less, in order to save ourselves from our liberal, suicidal elite.

    This paper posted on this site by Paul Treanor says the same thing from a liberal perspective: DEMOCRACY has betrayed Liberal projects. Therefore, we have to eliminate or *limit* public participation in democracy.

    [editor: the points treanor made for the leftie perspective against democracy are beyond stupid. democracy has been a boon to the left. the country has been shifting slowly and inexorably left for 50 years now. all he’s arguing is that it isn’t shifting far or fast enough. but that’s not exactly a loss; it’s a win for them.]

    I say: Seems like democracy is working fine (attacking immigration, etc.). I fact, I go further: Democracy is its own justification.

    If the people want immigration, fine. If they don’t, … ALSO fine.

    That’s the point. That’s democracy.

    http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/democracy.html

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  234. on July 20, 2010 at 2:30 am Cannon's Canon

    fedrz,

    please comment here more. i enjoy less ration and more passion. if you are incomplete, uninspiring, or even contemptible in your thought processes, your attitude is important enough to be recognized as a very distinct demographic.

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  235. @chic_noir
    “The German exchange student would most certainly
    intellectually overpower most American students
    anyway but especially those from such subpar
    academic backgrounds muddled with urban decay
    and familial apathy.”

    I have swapped emails with a Swede who was
    an exchange student
    in Downey, many years ago.
    Of course he was academically cleaning the other
    kids’ clocks – including in English, after a few months.
    But he liked the experience of something different, and
    had no expectations that the whole thing would be
    ACADEMICALLY useful.

    @dana
    “come to philadelphia in pennsylvania and tell me you cant

    ‘gerrymander a whole state'”

    You misunderstood me. Yes, you can Gerrymander
    all the districts in a state. But you cannot Gerrymander
    the state itself.

    The boundaries for each Senator’s constituency is

    THE WHOLE STATE

    The boundaries for selecting electors to the Electoral
    College (with a FEW oddball exceptions) is

    THE WHOLE STATE

    and re-drawing state boundaries is almost impossible.

    @Mike
    “One solution, get rid of the political parties, and divide
    government into a series of cabinets. Each political candidate then campaigns for a seat on one of the cabinets. For example, Clinton for the foreign affairs cabinet and Tancredo for the immigration cabinet.”

    Another solution: Sortiledge. You run a random selection
    (technical details CAN be worked out) on the voter
    registration rolls, and pick Senators, Congressmen etc.
    at random. Staggered for continuity. Massive salary, so
    almost anybody randomly picked will indeed serve.
    BUT YOU CANNOT GET RE-ELECTED, SO NOBODY
    CAN BUY YOU OFF THAT WAY. Of course, money
    in a big briefcase can still work, but make the
    penalty very severe.

    The politicians would NOT on average be the most
    power hungry. Nor will they pander to the electorate,
    as they cannot be re-elected (in fact, they were
    not elected in the first place). Nor will they become
    career politicians, with a stake in expanding
    the government.

    Thor

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  236. on July 20, 2010 at 3:23 am Cannon's Canon

    ok, i promise this is going to be my last post about the j-words for like a fiat-billion milli-seconds.

    john halder does not distinguish between whites and j’s. everyone who has ever ripped him off is categorically white. those blue-collar white cops especially came to mind for him, enough to reference them uniformly (a clever play-on-words here), since they have surely shaken him by the ankles to collect his pocket-trinkets.

    everyone who has ever ripped me off has been smarter than me, in one incarnation or another. i’ve accrued some big dents, metaphorically. it’s not about me though!

    here is the best sentiment i’ve seen put out lately:

    jewish self-interests and white self-interests are eventually different. they intersect at many points – even most points, or “almost nearly all points” as it were.

    whatever percentage makes you comfortable

    eventually, these paths will cross. sovereign israel is the obvious manifestation. personally, i think $50 million or billion or whatever per year is a pittance as far as our budget is concerned.

    discovering the “real cost” must be pretty dangerous! steve irwin style: whoever might volunteer to ride a goat into afghan mountains (yes, piles of knitted blankets) surely does not taunt the local savages.

    lucid, if not cogent: christianity worked well for a pretty long time

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  237. @Thor,

    Random appointments of elected officials from an expanded senate (a take on your idea) would, indeed, be a good way to fight corruption. I’d make the penalty for taking bribes of any kind something like: Forfeiture of all property of any kind, and all government income back-dated to the point where the corruption occurred.

    And jail time.

    Really, really, stiff corruption.

    And get rid of – shut down – lobbyists.

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  238. on July 20, 2010 at 5:36 am Avinguda Diagonal

    Doug,
    As for impregnating another woman outside the girl I love, that’s my nightmare. I sure has hell want to keep in from happening. Against the danger and frequent reality out there of their plotting, oopsing and so on. God do I want an effective non condom male birth control method, without horrific side effects.

    Doug, are not you the same guy who said that you have a vasectomy, and you don’t want to have children at all with or without the woman?

    Sounds like somewhat a fishy contradiction, here.

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  239. Anyone read Starship Troopers the novel? In the book there is a system where you can only vote if you’ve done military service. But it’s not like the rest of the population is oppressed either (unlike the bastardized movie with the same name).

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  240. on July 20, 2010 at 8:25 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””We’re just a very provincial country. We should all be sent to other countries to live for periods of time.

    “Our urbanites think there’s no land between JFK and LAX;the country folk in between get hives when
    someone who looks marginally different moves in next door. ”

    Indeed, this is a problem. “Flyover states” and all that.

    That’s the real cultural divide in this country: Urban and not.”””””

    If ya live in right neighborhood in us other cultures are brought to you courtesy of the red white and blue he he he

    So they did the you know oh look another moved in that makes more than minimum wage for not doing shit.
    The blacks they move in make more than the whites who are working.
    Picture that in your mind.

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  241. on July 20, 2010 at 8:31 am Gunslingergregi

    Now picture how many times have you heard redkneck and racist. Well of course there gonna be racist they live next to a gal who doesn’t have to work then she has another ten people move in for free. lol
    And this dude bought his house.
    Not only are the elites and college educated gonna look down on the dude but they are the ones responsible for his predicament. Before he was all cool and the gang with his position even low income because he earned his own money and took care of his family. But yea now he got to compete with free loaders and his own people who should know there fucking him but at the same time they fuck him they call him a dirty redneck but refuse to call niggers niggers.

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  242. on July 20, 2010 at 8:42 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””’Cannon’s Canon
    ok, i promise this is going to be my last post about the j-words for like a fiat-billion milli-seconds.

    john halder does not distinguish between whites and j’s. everyone who has ever ripped him off is categorically white. those blue-collar white cops especially came to mind for him, enough to reference them uniformly (a clever play-on-words here), since they have surely shaken him by the ankles to collect his pocket-trinkets.

    everyone who has ever ripped me off has been smarter than me
    ”””””

    How I bought my cars is the same way I game rational mutherfucking iron balls.

    You go for test drive this games dealer and makes him have an emotional investment in outcome. Your the gamer you don’t give a fuck about outcome.
    You walk in dealership and say give me your best price.
    The sticker says 23k on window.
    The guy says 18k
    You say ok thank you for your time then get up off the seat and start walking out.
    Then the guy will be like one second let me get manager.
    Just one sec.
    Then your like ok but I have to check the other dealers.
    Then the guy brings manager back and he says ok if ya take it now 15k.
    Did that for my sister when I went to buy car with her.

    Then ya got the advertised special on radio.
    Where it is like 9999.
    I walk in and they try the bait and switch.
    Well those are all sold out but we do have these other fantastic models for only 14k
    I am like no you will give me the 9999 model that was on the radio.
    Surprizingly they found one.
    What a shock.

    Don’t trade in a car. No need not when they knock that much off just for not pussying out.

    Almost everything in life comes down to picking up your balls.

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  243. on July 20, 2010 at 8:49 am Gunslingergregi

    Same with real estate if the agent tells you that it is taking you too long they are trying to fuck you. Do not get intimidated they work for you.

    Read the contract you will probably notice that in it is a passage that goes completely against what the real estate agent is telling you.

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  244. on July 20, 2010 at 8:55 am Gunslingergregi

    Then apparently out in midwest you have those poor redknecks that ya know there neck is red because they work outside. but yea your gonna make fun of them for earning there living too. I mean fuck yea those people are lower than shit poor. Yet they don’t come and rape your wife in the middle of the night do they?
    Or at least not very fucking often. Then those guys have the same probably plus apparently some nice hispanic influence on there shit wonderfull. Got 100 hispanic illegals applying for 50 jobs. I forget who said that.

    But yea in every fucking zone your not allowed to be a poor white male willing to work for a living. Nothing to fall back on. WTF are they supposed to do?
    I guess just lay down and die right. You have created an artificial situation that fucks them and then the same people who did it turn around and gonna call them white trash. WTF

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  245. Gunslingergergi,
    You have a point about poor white males. They do seem to face some challenges the rest of us don’t have to as much.

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  246. uhm, bad news.
    EVERYTHING in this country is so massively marked up, you are going to lose you are not going to to EVER get a deal. keep telling yourself you got a GREAT deal on that car, lol.
    and the cops arent smarter than me, in fact, they only hire morons!
    they wont hire you if you have too many i.q. digits.
    but they always win
    system is rigged you racist morons.
    and once again, keep falling for the young black youth myth as the # 1 criminal threat, even though its the wealthy people you love, worship and admire that are the ones who should be in prison for life.
    but you retards dont mind one bit, in fact you love funding this ridiculous war machine to the tune of 1 trillion a year to make war on non existent ‘enemies’ , like your fake ‘war on terror’ ( if we dont fight them over there, we’ll have to fight them here, even though, how in the world ‘they’ are going to get here is beyond imagination, pure science fiction in fact)
    LOT of morons on here, and wow, that male shaming language! calling me kid, lol
    and racists calling me racists!

    youre uneducated, and have no spines.
    you cant even wage your war(s) in a manly way.
    your ‘heroic’ marines just push buttons to kill goat herders. pure cowards, but, once again, if they werent ‘gainfully’ employed slaughtering civililians worldwide, theyd be here unemployed

    you deserve your gold digging women
    you cant EVER get on the same page. so enjoy palin being your next president.
    once you racists get rid of the black man, everything will be great again huh?

    listen up children, it wont.

    but! it will ALWAYS be great for the rich and famous, your gods!

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  247. How it goes:

    “OMG it’s the end of the world! Everything is horrible! The United States has failed! We must figure out why! I blame women’s rights and racial diversity! Who do you blame?”

    “Blame for *what*, exactly? Your premise is flawed — the United States is one of the greatest success stories in the history of civilization. We have become more diverse and given more rights to women throughout that history, and things have continued to get even better. Please demonstrate that we are experiencing an existential crisis at all, and then we can start looking for causes.”

    “OMG unfair divorce laws and debt and there’s a recession and black people scare me and young women are fat and still expect me to want them!”

    “The U.S. has faced far greater problems than these and solved them. These problems hardly represent a threat to our overall rise in economic power, let alone our existence. There is nothing to panic about.”

    “But things could have been even *better* without the racial equality and concessions to bulldyke feminists!”

    “Even if true, that’s nothing to panic about. How about we approach the problems we face as if they are problems like those we have faced before, and not from the perspective that we are at the brink of Armaggedon?”

    “Jew!”

    [minutes later]

    “OMG it’s the end of the world! Everything is horrible! The United States has failed! We must figure out why! I blame women’s rights and racial diversity! Who do you blame?”

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  248. Awesome, I need Roissy or an alpha to take me under their wing so I can learn the crimson arts

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  249. /stream of consciousness rant

    The Tea Partiers will garner no credibility so long as they cling mindlessly to their bibles. Religion is as arbitrarily oppressive as any dictatorship.

    Conservatives blind opposition to all corporate regulation is self-destructive. Corporate interests are increasingly destructive when paired with Federalist muscle. Citizens need protection from them as surely as from invasion from another nation. The havoc they have caused economically and environmentally on US soil surpasses that from most wars. Their balance sheets certainly surpass those of most sovereign nations.

    The welfare state is extortion to keep us off the guillotines.

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  250. Fred–

    you were pwned. So just STFU and go home.

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  251. “Restrict voting to net taxpayers. Net tax recipients wail forlornly on the sidelines. Downsides: […] Risk that the productive will direct all government largesse to themselves.”

    Well, then they’d be wailing forlonly on the sidelines, now wouldn’t they? The whole point of restricting voting to net taxpayers is to disincentivize that behavior by ensuring that anyone who practices it loses their authority to vote.

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  252. Thor I have swapped emails with a Swede who was
    an exchange student
    in Downey, many years ago.
    Of course he was academically cleaning the other
    kids’ clocks – including in English, after a few months.
    But he liked the experience of something different, and
    had no expectations that the whole thing would be
    ACADEMICALLY useful.

    Thor, nothing “weirded” me out more while in Amsterdam and especially in Sweden than how well many of the younger people spoke English with no hint of an accent. Had I not known any better, I could have sworn I was conversing with Americans.

    From the fingers of guns I mean fuck yea those people are lower than shit poor. Yet they don’t come and rape your wife in the middle of the night do they?
    Or at least not very fucking often.

    LOLROF
    *chic noir says a prayer to God asking for forgiveness*

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  253. on July 20, 2010 at 7:27 pm The Specimen

    Brawndo. It’s got the electolytes that plants crave.

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  254. on July 20, 2010 at 8:54 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””””Fred
    How it goes:

    “OMG it’s the end of the world! Everything is horrible! The United States has failed! We must figure out why! I blame women’s rights and racial diversity! Who do you blame?”

    “Blame for *what*, exactly? Your premise is flawed — the United States is one of the greatest success stories in the history of civilization. We have become more diverse and given more rights to women throughout that history, and things have continued to get even better. Please demonstrate that we are experiencing an existential crisis at all, and then we can start looking for causes
    ”””””’

    A triple amutee one eyed war veteran was thrown in jail for refusing to pay support to a woman that the court ordered illegally.
    Discuss.

    What good is it to gain the world but lose your soul.

    ””””given more rights to women throughout that history, ”””””

    You have no fucking clue about what a woman that is givin nothing can do.

    We have turned all woman in states into welfare recipiants and made them weak.

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  255. on July 20, 2010 at 8:58 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””’From the fingers of guns
    LOLROF
    *chic noir says a prayer to God asking for forgiveness*

    ”””’
    Yea you better ask forgivness.
    Yea I read your posts just norm don’t respond.
    Yea I know what you wish the fingers of guns were doing.
    he he he

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  256. on July 20, 2010 at 9:33 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””John halder,
    but! it will ALWAYS be great for the rich and famous, your gods!”””’

    Naa john your not getting it. There is nothing to aspire to be in the us.
    Understand now?

    You can only aspire to get rich and get the fuck out.

    Look at mel gibson and tiger both mega rich both fucked up by a woman.

    Look at hulk hogan Fucked up by a woman.

    The problem is that there is nothing to aspire to.

    Aspire to be a walstreet tycoon nope they have to worry about sexual harrasment laws lol and females feelings.

    Aspire to be a politician.
    No they get fucked by females too on a whim plus no extra pussy unless you want to have to act like a bitch after you get caught.

    Aspire to be a ceo.
    No you have no real power. Your hands are tied by political correctness and you cannot rule as you see fit. Plus all that pussy below you ya can’t touch unless ya want fired or have to give that female special priviledges the entire time she works there more than she already has.

    Aspire to be a doctor.
    Median income only 98k. lol

    The only thing you can aspire to is someone who is dictator for life of world so that you can implement your own plan. Everything else your just at the whim of some bullshit and not manly.

    Woman were made the achellies heel of men in us and a lead weight around the neck of the american male.
    There is no need for greatness when you can’t keep it.

    I was inspired to not marry an american woman
    I was inspired to save money and get the fuck out of us
    I was inspired to move to a place with no diversity
    I was inspired to move to a place that has no black people.

    ”””’and once again, keep falling for the young black youth myth as the # 1 criminal threat””””’

    myth?
    Ever gown up with them?
    But yea elites are the ones who know they are a problem which is why the elites move them next door to white people to babysit them and so that the white people can be called racists that don’t like it. The elites will even pay the black people food and rent and utilities for them to move near the white people to encourage the white people to work hard to keep the system going or be forced to live in black areas.
    Yea blacks would probably be happier if they lived in all black areas so they probably getting fucked too.

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  257. on July 20, 2010 at 10:17 pm gunslingergregi

    Oh wait no when blacks live in a all black area they want to move out to. lol

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  258. funnt thing is, all these racists are just pissed off that a black men with vastly superior intellect than that high functioning retard george bush is in office!

    thats all is there is to it, but not to fret! you will vote him out in 2012 and romney/palin will fix everything, haha.

    i see too a lot of anxiety about these tax cuts for the super rich expiring at the end of this year.

    dont worry about your idols, the robber barons like buffet, gates, all those hedge fund managers you worship.
    they are doing quite well thank you and will continue to do so.

    ive been wondering, me and a WHOLE bunch of other folks, just EXACTLY why poor, middle class people vote republican at all?

    why do you idiots vote against you own best interests?!
    well, stupidity comes to mind, of course,

    but! psychologists have determined why you do it!

    apparently, all what? 60-80 million of you dolts THINK YOU are going to one day, – join the elites! ahhahha.

    uh, wrong, nope, i cant see all of you tens of millions hitting the lottery, lol!

    STOP voting, you cant be trusted.

    you cant even decide what kind of govt you want!

    you know so called ‘democracy’ and capitailism is a total failure, and that it is only for the rich( that you will one day be!,ahahaha)

    but you reject socialism, which IS THE FUTURE.
    obama is not it though, hes just another war loving wealthy capitalist, corporate shill, to be replaced
    by the same.

    think 3rd party, if you can think at all.

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  259. uh, yea, actually i DO get it.
    and everyone wants to be ceo/famous/wealthy- you dont get it.

    oksana is just doing the capitalist thing, getting RICH, using the sysytem , lying, cheating.
    it doesnt matter as long as you get rich.

    cant say i blame her, as long as ‘mras’ just whine on the net and WILL NEVER organize, you deserve these gold diggers.

    and fear of black men? well, they ONLY shoot other black men, so, im not too scared of them.

    fear of ‘terrorists’ ? uh, lol nope. fear of cops? fuck yea, you better have that!

    understand yet?

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  260. ha, tiger woods is still a billionaire, DONT marry if you want to fuck 100’s of white women a week, thats all on HIM

    hulk hogan? another bad example, personal est net worth-$300 million.

    as i mentioned above, mel will always have his mansions, fleet of cars, yachts, lear jets. he’ll be okdoke

    trying to make yourself feel better? wont work. rich ALWAYS get richer.
    just saw on the news that chelsea clinton is getting married and shes a succesful hedge fund manager!

    i WONDER how she got that position in life?

    keep voting republican though. you’ll one day be a billionaire like her!

    but, like her, and bush jr, ya needs those super rich, super well connected parents in ADDITION to voting republican/tea faggots, lol!

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  261. on July 21, 2010 at 12:10 am gunslingergregi

    ””””””on July 20, 2010 at 10:59 pm john halder
    ha, tiger woods is still a billionaire, DONT marry if you want to fuck 100′s of white women a week, thats all on HIM

    hulk hogan? another bad example, personal est net worth-$300 million.

    as i mentioned above, mel will always have his mansions, fleet of cars, yachts, lear jets. he’ll be okdoke
    ””””””””’

    Yea but if you notice they all have something in common.
    They are all in pain. All the money in the world don’t make that go away.

    John my dad went from child in a large poor family to getting his degree and then working for someone else didn’t like it. Started auction company making 50k in two days off of it regular basis. Then invented some shit and set to make millions and millions. Then yea ok he lost all his shit. The thing I learned from about why he got chewed up by system as he was dependant on system in a way.
    He became too wealthy and somewhat famous. Therefore someone else had to put that shit down.
    But yea
    He got rich and poor like 3 times. In the end he used religion as his crutch to wait to die.

    So like I said there is nothing to aspire to in us anymore.

    ””’But yea you say you can’t get rich.””””’
    Probably true if you think you can only get rich by winning lottery.
    You know what the fuck your talking about.
    Your odds are indeed low.

    Now I learned from my dad. Don’t marry an american woman.
    Check
    You don’t need to change the world or be super intelligent to be rich.
    Check
    Even an idiot can get rich
    check
    You just have to be too stupid to know your beaten
    check
    What I also learned was not to use religion as a crutch or allow a woman to rule over my shit.
    Plus I didn’t set my initial standards so high.
    I didn’t need a woman telling me I need the giant house the expensive car the lavish vacations. Ok I did do the vacation part and the big house part but the wife already owned that.
    I wanted to be financially independant.
    now to do that requires not really too much effort.
    Took a year and a half of hard work to achieve it by myself.
    I got a 100k which is enough for me to live comfortable where I am at.
    Only problem was the little bit of college I went to I learned about stock market.
    So yea that can fuck you up.
    So I lost money.
    So now I am somewhat comfortable right now not doing shit.
    So yea I got to work another year and a half or so then chillin like a villin until I die. See I am gonna wait to die in comfort while my dad waits to die in a shithole.
    Or I can choose to do more shit. Whatever.

    But yea other than that the world is still too simple to actually want to live in it.

    Took me longer to get rich and beat an online game than it took me to do it in real life. The shit is somewhat of a cruel hoax.

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  262. on July 21, 2010 at 12:13 am gunslingergregi

    Or yea in us it is all stick and no incentive.

    Which is good in a way as long as you survive the lash and save loot and don’t get caught up with a bitch who takes away your right to happiness.

    Then you can go to a place that has incentive.

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  263. America has a Democracy ?

    Holy crap , you could have fooled me.

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  264. “The vast majority of modern politicians simply needs the money.”–from the article

    It’s not a question of democracy or some other form of government. It is a question of the State. In whatever State setup you are looking at (communist, fascist, democractic, fuedal, monarchist, etc.) there will always be an alignment of the ruling political class with the strongest (read: wealthiest) interests.

    It’s always all about the money.

    Any politician, elected democratically or by coup d’etat, knowns it is suicide not to align themselves with the holders of wealth–which also has the other outcome of enriching themselves.

    The word for such a political setup is “Oligarchy”.

    Find me a State at any point in history that was not one.

    The strong will dominate the weak.
    Big money will dominate the stong.
    This is the nature of things.

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  265. We are not a democracy. Democracy appears nowhere in the constitution or Declaration.

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  266. Corporate campaign funds is among the worst of Constitutional interpretations allowed by the Supreme Court for it offers alliances of no uncertain effect between that of corporations and American government.

    It trades money for protection in the worst sense of the practice for it does so under civil authority regardless of criminal liability.

    The ability to buy continuing protection from the U.S. Government in exchange for campaign dollars is the worst set up the Supreme court could ever have thrust upon its citizens.

    Companies who participate in wrongdoing do so with at least some initial degree of risk that they seek to escape by managing employees, by managing courtroom processes with high priced lawyers, by managing Judges by prolonging litigation at high expense or to extend beyond the statute of limitations sufficient to prevent liability. All of these advantages are available to them when married with campaign donations.

    The Supreme Court must have been “out to lunch” when they decided that companies are free to create those alliances with government – for any purpose available – as freedom of democratic action – without the Court addressing these potentialities as the reason for donation.

    The historic reasons for prohibiting corporate donation were entirely disregarded as irrelevant – when, in fact, the same reasons continue, but the Court perspective is different. This decision, alone, is enough to allow companies – foreign or domestic – to usurp the authority of the U.S., to trample government rights as well as citizenship rights. Unlimited donations by corporations provide no measure of protection for the U.S. whatsoever, and amounts to the Supreme Court throwing in the towel of Constitutional Bill of Rights as principles by which America will be governed.

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  267. I say we wrap this up by consolidating the most usable/practical ideas this thread has produced.

    I’ll reiterate we need to end the two-party deadlock. Pat’s comment that the Supreme Court needs to reverse that last disastrous decision is also important.

    (I also think we need to abolish the VAWA, but that’ll be difficult…we’ve just seen that anyone critical of the VAWA is somehow ‘supporting domestic violence’).

    What else?

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  268. […] – “Is it Time to Rethink Democracy?“, “‘I Have a Boyfriend’ Responses“, “Of Manjaws and Furry […]

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  269. on July 26, 2010 at 8:19 pm RebelliousVanilla

    Cap’ n Bob, black people vote even worse than women. Why should they vote?

    Also, most people associate falsely the concept of rights with democracy. Democracy is the stupidest system to safeguard those. Only in this idiotic system you can have free speech and hate speech legislation in the same time, right to assembly, but discrimination banned and so on. I’d much rather live in a 19th century European monarchy, instead of the idiocy of today. The only proper ways of governance are constitutional monarchy and constitutional republic.

    Oh, and another thing, I’d give up my right to vote gladly for a return to 200 years ago.

    Roissy, you can make a flat tax on income and do away with a lot of the deductions – keep them only for kids. Then you just see who worked in the last four years in the private sector. There’s a great book about this written by Hans Herman Hoppe, but the conclusions he draws are hilarious. It’s funny how clueless libertarians can be in this respect. By the way, for someone who writes fairly interesting things, your commentators are 50 classes below you.

    John, there’s no such thing as land stealing. It’s called conquering, you dimwit.

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  270. on July 26, 2010 at 9:18 pm namae nanka

    and just like that missrebellious vanillagirl pulls a ka-pow out of the blue, where art thou nicole? 10..9..8…

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  271. RebelliousVanilla, Heinlein, Glory Road. Empire with laissez faire type of government–bare bones, the Emperor/Empress doing arbitration when all else failed and if that did not resolve disputes, a pox and a big bada boom on both (disputees) their houses.

    Some perks for the Emperor/Empress, but otherwise a service to others. A person selected based on some criteria had to go through a dump/absorption of all the known universe history, beside science and other subjects. Unready brain meant a certain death in the process.

    The only proper ways of governance are constitutional monarchy and constitutional republic.

    A hereditary monarchy is not particularly a bright system. I’d go with the second. The main problem is not the government itself (Yes, it is! ;-), but the entrenched bureaucracy. Whenever the party changes, all the leeches should be replaced with new leeches of the elected party.

    Also, scan the thread in the middle somewhere for a parallel government. It has a certain natural beauty.

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  272. RV asks, “Cap’ n Bob, black people vote even worse than women. Why should they vote?”

    Why should you, or for that matter, anybody you, Miss Middle Class, are likely to marry?

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  273. Nicole, is that English? 😉

    I do appreciate your verbal creativity… just that getting a sense of what you are trying to say is a bit… elusive.

    (Damn! There is no babelfish from English to English!)

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  274. is it time to re-think this oligarchy? yes, but it’s much too late to do anything about it.
    corporations run the show now.
    enjoy voting in that tea party trash.
    you’ll find out yet again, it makes no damn difference, plus!
    unlike what all those neo-cons on the spearhead think, putting gop back in, will not, repeat not bring back the patriarchy.
    i no longer foillow the spearhead

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  275. i’ve become intrigued by the idea of fascism, the right kind anyway

    ZH is a fantastic site, daily reading for me

    and the comment threads even break into the subject of jews!
    (no those are not all me using different names

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  276. @Gorbachev

    “The mob may be dangerous, but the single fool in charge of a ship can perform a host of bads on a society that no democracy can manage.

    Democracy actually puts the least amount of faith in human nature, and is absolutely the most realistic.”

    With regard to the first paragraph, a general comparison of historical instantiations of monarchy and democracy speaks against your conclusion. Totalitarianism is a function of democracy and technology, not monarchy.

    The theory of compulsory democracy is also demonstrably not a product of anthropological realism.

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  277. @Captain Ron
    @Gorbachev

    “The mob may be dangerous, but the single fool in charge of a ship can perform a host of bads on a society that no democracy can manage.

    Democracy actually puts the least amount of faith in human nature, and is absolutely the most realistic.”

    With regard to the first paragraph, a general comparison of historical instantiations of monarchy and democracy speaks against your conclusion. Totalitarianism is a function of democracy and technology, not monarchy.

    I include monarchy with the general totalitarianisms of the world.

    The theory of compulsory democracy is also demonstrably not a product of anthropological realism.

    It’s not, but it also seems to produce better government – long-term – than any authoritarian structure of any kind.

    Not that it’s uncorruptible, by any means.

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  278. I would like to point out that mounds of debt, blood spilt in wars for ingrates, loss of national pride, and a relentless fusillade of lies were very common in the monarchies of old Europe as well as the current time.

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  279. […] morals, his insight cannot be faulted. For example, The United States Of Autoimmunity. He is even beginning to see the light about monarchy. When even libertines – people who take full advantage of the current system for their […]

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  280. As women gain both wealth, power, and influence, and men are increasingly left with no realistic options other than dropping out… how is the Alpha trait going to help when feminists do get what they really want, which is the universal power and legal authority to physically castrate all men?

    Wouldn’t a better strategy be rising up and taking our power back? take back the day as it were?

    Feminists have already reached their gnarled hands into the area of consensual sex to criminalize progressively more and more behavior! If we don’t stem the time, We all are gonna end up in jail, or re-education/concentration camp.

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