Reader Mailbag: Macropenis Edition

Trimegistus asks:

I’d like to hear your thoughts on why women seem to be more open to situational bisexuality than men — the old joke about “all women are lesbians after six drinks” comes to mind. What advantage does that offer them, either in the evolutionary or sexual marketplace?

I have a religious/intuitive answer to that, and a scientific/rational answer.

Re/I answer: Women are the more physically fetching sex; soft, curvaceous, neotenous, vulnerable. Therefore their touch is desired by other women as well as men, and the disgust reflex that usually accompanies thoughts of same-sex intimacy in both sexes (gays excluded) is subdued in women. The subconscious imperative to protect her eggs clashes with her yearning for physical pleasure, and in many women this can be conveniently resolved by enjoying the closeness of other women, a treat which bypasses the usual assortment of threats that accompany intimacy with new men (pregnancy, rape, abandonment, violence, or, heaven forbid!, insensitivity).

S/Ra answer: Female bisexuality is an in-group adaptation that firms up (heh) social bonds and increases the likelihood that a woman’s children or future children will be able to enjoy the group’s resources.

I’m sure there are plenty of other explanations, so have at it you beautiful star-nosed moles!

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A reader who shall remain anonymous asked:

I am a 22 year old that experiences success with women in my age bracket/social class (swpl types) partly thanks to your blog which connected the dots for me.

I am presently borderline obsessed with a 30 something tattooed bartender. She’s a prole but relatively intelligent/oozes sex appeal… Basically I must have her.

I can tell she thinks I’m cute but my typical game doesn’t work on her and I don’t think she takes me serious sexually. Also, I only see her when she works, not in social settings.

I understand this type of woman isn’t your cup of tea but I’m obsessed and would love any tips from outsiders.

Not my cup of tea? Minus a few years, I love the uncredentialed but sassy smart drink-slingers with sex appeal. They’re my only weakness.

You have an uphill climb to bed this girl. Women generally don’t like the idea of dating considerably younger men than themselves, and even sexual flings can be off the table if the guy is too much younger, as might be the case with you and your bartender dream girl. If she doesn’t know already, I suggest you lie to her about your age.

Other than taking steps to minimize the age difference, you should game this girl like you would any service worker who was closer to your age. Which means, you have to avoid being seen as her “customer”. That’s the dynamic that will kill your chances to bed her more than anything else. At the same time, you can’t just be some random weekender goofus off the street; you have to become a regular, preferably during the week when she’s got more time to chat.

You square this circle by making yourself more familiar to her but by not buying too much and never overtipping her. Weeknights and weekend afternoons (assuming that’s in her schedule) are going to be your time to shine. On weekend nights, if you go to her bar, be sure to be seen by her in the company of other women. If her bar is a hot spot, this will be easy to do. Just open a nearby set and have some fun. Preselection is king.

I’ll say it again: PRESELECTION IS KING. It doesn’t mean you have to be making out with a hard 10 in front of the bartender. A successfully pinged preselection radar could be as simple as talking to a girl sitting next to you at the bar while Sex Appeal pours beer and watches you out of the corner of her eye.

Next, you really want to get the bartender out of her work zone. The bar is like a force field, or a giant roadblock, effectively rendering you an outsider to her world. You need to extract her from her padded bubble girl bar area. Something to do is befriend a bartender and the staff and join them in the back room after hours for a smoke or airplane shots. It’s much easier to game her then when she’s stripped of her bartender power. Bartending is a huge contextual status boost to men and women, and a girl who has that power will be harder to game. Remember, half of game is creating and projecting a status differential between you and the girl.

Besides the aforementioned after hours option, you should try to get her out on a casual date when you know she will be less harried — drinks at another bar after she’s finished her shift, or afternoon coffee before her shift. The coffee chat before a shift is a good option because she won’t feel the pressure of a “formal” date, since she knows she’s heading to work in a short while anyhow. If my experience is any guide, bartender chicks really hate conventional “expectations” dates. They prefer extremely casual, maximally plausibly deniable, meet ups. Or hook ups, if she’s really into you.

Avoid at all costs hanging around the bar like a needy puppy dog waiting for scraps of attention from your bartender girl. There is nothing more unattractive than for a woman to see you still at the same spot, waiting for her return, after she has gone off to do something useful with her life. If you like your seat and want to stay at the bar, make sure there are other girls in the vicinity with whom you can interact. Otherwise, say a few words to the bartender, and then take off. Meet up with her later in the night.

When you get into long-ish convos with the bartender, don’t talk with her about her job. You’ll only feed her perception of power over you, and that is what is known in the real world as anti-game. You want to minimize the looming presence of the mahogany bar blockade separating you and her as much as possible.

There is a tacit Rule of Bartending (and Stripping): Don’t fraternize with the customers. If you close the deal with her, keep it on the DL. I knew a guy dating a bartender who would be cold as ice to him when he showed up at the bar to say hello. It drove him nuts. I had to explain that she’s doing that to preserve her status within her industry. If he just had some patience and understanding, she would reward him with plenty of ass when they were alone together.

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A reader wants to know what qualifies as the ideal relationship timeline.

I’ve been curious to know what, in your mind, an ideal LTR timeline would look like, i.e., major events, milestones, when the first fight should be, when to instill dread, etc. That would be an interesting post.

Ideal LTR timeline:

First date – sex.
One month mark – sex.
Six month mark – sex.
One year mark – pretend exclusivity sex.
Two year mark – videotaped sex.
Five year mark — bon voyage sex and a trade-in for the experience of first date sex again.

I kid! I kid!

Or do I?

Here’s a more conventional LTR timeline that I would consider ideal, assuming the unending sex and convenient trade-in option above was not available to you:

Third date – first sex.
Fourth date – first sober sex.
Fifth date – first facial (hers, not yours, unless you are a manboob).
Two week mark – first prompt reply to her text.
Three week mark – first “real” date (e.g., a dinner, a movie, a charity event, a show at the local indie club, a walk through a quaint town).
Three week plus one hour mark – first pang of jealousy when you see her talking to the DJ.
One month mark – first home-cooked meal that you make for her at your place.
Two month mark – first intentional public exposure to her friends.
Three month mark – first intentional public exposure to your friends.
Three and a half month mark – first minor fight.
Three and a half months plus one hour mark – first minor make-up sex.
Four month mark – first major date (possibly requiring significant cash outlay). Examples: a play, a sporting event, a beach trip, a bed and breakfast.
Five month mark – first little romantic gift.
Six month mark – first “I love you”. From her, you poindexter!
Six and a half month mark – first “Right back atcha” to her “I love you”.
Seven month mark – first “I love you, too” from you to her. Don’t say it more than once. Scarcity is the glow of clits.
Eight month mark – first tentative talk of exclusivity not requiring a signed affidavit from you.
Nine month mark – first talk of impending anniversaries and nostalgia for that “first time you met”.
Nine and a half month mark – first anal. Explain that it’s time for her to prove her love more deeply.
Ten month mark – first major fight that ends when you walk out the door to sounds of her muffled cries.
Ten months plus one day mark – first mind-blowing make-up sex. Break a chandelier.
Ten and a half month mark – first bigger romantic gift.
Ten and three-quarters month mark – first application of instilled dread. Call late “from the office”; make sure sounds of laughing girls can be overheard in background.
Eleven month mark – first flirting with the waitress in front of her.
Eleven and a half month mark – first major fight that ends with you and her talking it out on the couch. Prepare for hours of boredom.
One year mark – first serious talk about exclusivity. Getting harder to dodge now.
One year and one month mark – first talk about meeting her parents.
One year and two month mark – second talk about meeting her parents.
One year and two months plus one hour mark – first talk about why she hasn’t met your family.
One year and three month mark – first faked orgasm.
One year and four month mark – first meeting with her family.
One year and five month mark – first major fight that neither of you are all that interested to resolve.
One year and six month mark – first “recapture the glory” fancy date followed by public sex in an alley.
One year and seven month mark – first talk of marriage.
One year and seven months plus one hour mark – first thoughts of suicide or expatriation.
One year and eight month mark – first infidelity (ideally yours, not hers).
One year and nine month mark – first caught cheating.
One year and ten month mark – first serious, imploring talk of threesome (two girls, one guy, unless you are a manboob).
Two year mark – first time you let it slip to the hot co-worker that you have a girlfriend.
Two years and one month mark – proposal! to move in together!
Two years and one month plus one hour mark – prank retraction!
Two years and one month plus one hour and five minutes – frantic consolation that retraction was a joke.
Two years and two month mark – first soul-shaking thought that this might be the last vagina you ever plunder.
Two years and three month mark – marriage! WHAAAAAAATTTT?!?!??! Unmarried cohabitation! That’s more like it.
Two and a half years mark – first secretive make-out with her lonely friend who just got dumped by a fighter pilot.
Three year mark – marriage!
Four year mark – marriage?!? still?!?!
Five year mark – first kid.
Six year mark – first interest in living in the suburbs.
Seven year mark – first time you find this blog.
Seven year and one hour mark – first bottomless pit of regret.
Fifteen year mark – first gray pube. On her. You die a little inside.

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A reader with 99.9% certainty of troll origins wonders:

i have a big penis. women love it when i pull it out and dangle it in their faces, but it hurts [them] when we have sex. what do i need to do to make it less painful? what should i tell women who are afraid of damage?

I once hit the cervix of a petite asian woman. She squealed from a sudden jolt of pain, and I felt a little bad, although, I felt more pride than guilt. Luckily, there was no damage, and we joked about it afterwards. I would recommend a penis reduction, sir. Just lop off a few inches, like taking the crown off a giant sequoia. You’ll lose all sensation but isn’t that worth the peace of mind you’ll have knowing you are empowering women’s cervixes and sticking it, however feebly, to the patriarchy?





Comments


  1. on bi flexible women:

    1. women like to be sex objects & can be manipulated

    2. women aren’t as picky about the looks of their partner as men think

    goes to show all most guys need is better game than a bulldyke

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    • on December 9, 2012 at 1:37 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      lzozozozozo

      GBFM MAxim # 22: a threesome with two dudes and one chick = one too many cockas 2 think about zlzlzlollzoz

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      • on December 9, 2012 at 1:37 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lozozlzlzoz

        OMG both of you betado9uches above are violating THE ONE COCK RULE!!!

        You are alloowing chix to bring other COCKS into your mind lozlzlzzoz zlozllzl. The second a chick makes me think of another cock she is outta my house outta my mind or if she’s texting on a date which almost never happens because i almost never date i go “i gotta use the men’s room lzozlzl” and then i leave her with the bill. she can text her ten other cocks to comne over and pay for her drniks/dinner lzozlzlzllzlzlz and then,. after paying, they have full right to gizizizizizalizzz all over her lzozlz

        “I’ve been seeing this girl for a year. We live together and I’ve still got hand.”

        OMG lzozzlzll wtf are fuckity fucks doing with chix in your homes? lzozlzlzlz omg lozlzlzlzlzl looozers lzozlzlzlz1!! hzhzh

        THEY VIOLATE THE ONE COCK RULE THEY ARE OUT! OUT!

        OUT!

        O U T OUT! lzozlzlzl

        OMG lozlzlzozlozozolzl wft r u doing dating a chick 4 a yer did your dick fall off? Were yu chosen by Beernanke and given an award and medal to support today’s slutty slutt vampiressses cuckholders cockcutters?

        sounds 2 me it is the latter as u have no cock lzozlzlzlzl lzzozl

        and she made you think of another cock

        fucktard haven’t u heard of the one cock rule?

        hey yo!! let’s teach these douches somethin ’bout nbein a man yo!

        throw a beat over this way.
        yo yo yo yo
        yo yo yo

        now hit it!

        one cock rule one cock rule
        i ain’t no beta fool i ain’t no beta tool
        about another cock ya make me think
        i’m gone, yo bitch,
        let the betas buy yas yer next drink

        one cock rule one cock rule
        i ain’t no beats fool i ain’t no beta tool
        over vampires and werewolfe you ginas all drool
        letting their cocks touch your deep down stool
        then you blame the betas in school
        and transfer wealth for the bernanke gene pool
        jonah goldberg sends our alphas 2 die on foreign shores
        stuffing his face with dc pizza as they die in fiat wars
        neocon womenz repeating butthexers lies in their mags
        even after menopause and no need for da ragz
        telling young chickas to lust after vampires
        as they build their fiat empires

        one cock rule one cock rule
        i ain’t no fool i ain’t no tool
        about another cock ya make me think
        i’m gone, yo bitch,
        let the betas buy yas yer next drink

        let the betas pay to raise your bastard kids
        let the betas sign teh fiat masters marriage contracts
        theft in fiat inflation is hid
        as they swing their bankrupting axe
        i don’t care what last night u did,
        ever since i kicked ya gina out, i been relaxed.

        as they promote butthex across the land
        ripping out fetuses from parenthood planned
        as fathers form teh homes the neocons ban
        the atalnatic authoresses just don’t undertsand

        but when chix wakes up and her butt is sore
        it’s not my fault no–it’s cause she’s a whore
        as the fiat masters desoul women with butthex cock
        teach them to transfer wealth with pre-teen strumpet rock

        one cock rule one cock rule
        i ain’t no fool i ain’t no tool
        about another cock ya make me think
        i’m gone, yo bitch,
        let the betas buy yas yer next drink

        womenz womenz bernanke took advanatge of you
        you wasted your best years on vampires and werewolves
        and now you cry your tears cause of your sore anus
        stamp your little feet saying, “you betas must pay for this!!!”

        and aging neocon women promoting butthexing vampires
        teacxhing women to lust after the undead
        as the neocons suck the western world dry
        bankrupting it all,m enlsaving it debt
        while selfish womenz at the atalnatic monthly
        cry cry cry
        cry cry cry
        not for you or me
        but for themselves
        not for the 50,000,000 aborted souls
        but for their dried up ginas and sore assholes
        so many chances they had to marry a nice guy
        but he left her dry
        so whe butthexed with the asshole
        and now see her cry
        and wonder why
        and transofrm the entire univeristy
        into a program to further the fiat lie
        to transfer wealth and wage war and death
        to about fifty million more
        and redefine fifty cocks in her ass as empowered
        and not a whore

        all together now!

        lzozllzzl lozlzlz zlozozoz
        lozlzl lzozozlz ozlzooz zlo9oo
        lozlzlz ozlzoozl ozlzlzoz lzozlz zlzoz zlzozzlozlzozlo

        one cock rule one cock rule
        i ain’t no fool i ain’t no tool
        about another cock ya make me think
        i’m gone, yo bitch,
        let the betas buy yas yer next drink
        alreayd seen yer pink stink
        bent ya over the sink

        and howscomes the bankers southpark never does satarize
        because everything is fair game–truth love honor–excpet for fiat butthexing lies.

        all together now!

        lzozllzzl lozlzlz zlozozoz
        lozlzl lzozozlz ozlzooz zlo9oo
        lozlzlz ozlzoozl ozlzlzoz lzozlz zlzoz zlzozzlozlzozlo

        AND THREE COCK RULE:

        ^^^^ to the 24 for or so tardbetadouches who voted my “one cock rule” rap down

        lozlzlzlzlozzllzlzlzlz

        what do ya want?

        a two cock rule rap?

        or three cock rule?

        three cock rule, three cock rule,
        i’m a beta herb my own cock won’t do
        i need a chick to cuckold me
        i need a chick on me to pee
        three cock rule, three cock rule,
        i love being the greater fool
        one cock in her mouth, one in her anus,
        i keep mine in my pants,
        and pay her bills and rent and fare for da bus.
        so she can club and grind, on denim cocks dance.
        three cock rule, three cock rule,
        i treat my lady like a nice guy,
        give her chivarly while with 2 others she doth lie,
        three cock rule, three cock rule,
        while your cock doth touch her stool,
        i play videogames @ home in my single mom’s basement,
        as teh fed fianance feminsits studies @ school,
        teaching her to love and bail out the butthexers,
        to persucte me 4 letting her live 4 free,
        while she tickles drummer/druggie cock until it goes
        splooge splooge splooge! tee hee tee hee!
        three cock rule, three cock rule,
        i’m the beta herb, teh cuckholded fool,
        i respect her, keep my cock in my pants,
        fund her with other cocks to dance.

        lozlzlzlzl

        or would u betaherbs prefer a five cock rule rap! omg i bet someofya would like dat! lzozl

        lzozozozo

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      • on December 9, 2012 at 4:51 pm Holden Caulfield

        there some be one cocka and two gina holes 😉

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      • on December 9, 2012 at 5:11 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lzozozlzolzo yah before entering into a threesome, always count:

        one, two, three buttholes
        one, two theree moutholes
        one moustache
        one, two, gina holes
        one cockas

        den you get t da green light

        but if you shoulds count

        one, two, three buttholoesz
        one two three mothholes,
        one two moustaches
        one, two cockas
        one gina hole

        den it is best to call it a nigt and go home an d read a new trnaslation of homer’s iliadz zlzoozozzlzo

        now i know dat da pill has transofmrmed normal healthy fertile gina holes into buttholez, so dat whne you are with 2 ameeiranz womenz in a trheesome, the count goes like this

        one tow three foru five buttholziziolzoz lzozol
        zero gina holelzlzoz
        one tow thre emoyutth holez
        one cockas (though if you war eteh gbfm da laostas cockas can be contured as 2 cocokakssk zlozzl)

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  2. Third date – first sex.
    Fourth date – first sober sex.
    Fifth date – first facial (hers, not yours, unless you are a manboob).
    Two week mark – first prompt reply to her text.
    Three week mark – first “real” date (e.g., a dinner, a movie, a charity event, a show at the local indie club, a walk through a quaint town).

    Granted, I can be just a little gullible sometimes – but is this supposed to be serious?

    [Heartiste: Yes. Dates before sex should be very casual and cost little money. A walk through the park, tea, coffee, or drinks at the local pub are all examples of casual dates that don’t cost much more than a few dollars.]

    You’ve already fornicated umpteen times before you have your first “real” date?

    I must be too nice to my womynz…

    [Seriously – are you being serious? I can’t tell.]

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    • Okay, dude, maybe I should change my handle from “Zombie Shane” to something more like “Last of the Romantics”.

      I dunno – maybe things are still a little different out here in flyover country – but the Inside-the-Beltway hookup scene that you’re describing sounds just shockingly nihilistic.

      Or maybe it’s because I’m starting to move out of my PUA years, and into my natalist years, but I actually enjoy some conversation [not to mention a nice bottle of wine] before I ballz my beeyotchez.

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      • Operative word here is “you enjoy” doing it. If you are not doing it in hopes of getting laid then no problem. The problem is when you try to “impress” so she thinks you are a “solid guy”. Trust me as a girl, if you give us tingles after the first contact, we do not CARE if you take us to some serious fancy french chateau bottle serving restaurant or some pub for beers (we might even lie and say we like drinking beer although as a hard 8 with fellow female friends who are 8s-9s, it is near impossible to find an 8 and up who actually likes drinking beer, I mean two bottles and you can actually see the development of a lower pouch..gross…but I digress). What I am trying to say is we (girls) can tell when a guy is doing something because he enjoys it as opposed to when he is doing something to impress.

        The disadvantage of trying to take an attractive girl with a high smv/dmv to some fancy place to impress her is that it signals to the girl that you like her a lot and unless you are 100% this girl is crazy about you prior then you set yourself up for being a manboob as the relationship progresses. She will see herself as having the power in the relationship or worse, someone she can easily take advantage of.

        No one is saying take a girl to taco bell (depends on the quality of the girl but taco bell can also be done) if you are dating a solid 8 who has a great personality with a quality background, then I think a pub is good enough. If she agrees it shows she is down to earth and not some stuck up princess (who you shouldn’t want anyway). Just my convoluted $0.02 since I have been the girl in all the scenarios I described above

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      • Operative word here is “you enjoy” doing it. If you are not doing it in hopes of getting laid then no problem.

        But that’s the point – I LOVE doing that stuff – wining and dining and shooting the breeze and maybe even a little slow dancing and certainly holding hands in the moonlight…

        In fact – pace Heartiste and all his 24×7 hate-fucking – I actually enjoy making love with my womynz.

        But if you can keep a secret, then I’ll tell you a little something about the true nature of the Ur-Alpha: When you’re out on a date with Him, being wined and dined and having the time of your life, all the while you must remember that He isn’t auditioning to be the next man in your life, but rather that you’re auditioning to be the next womyn in His.

        And if you want to get anywhere in this life, honeybunch, then don’t you ever forget it.

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      • Taking a girl on a date to the DMV? Now that’s game.

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      • yes

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      • If you can feel a pouch developing after 2 beers, Taco Hell is also out…..
        If she wants to go to the DMV, she’ll have to do it by herself, at least until I need to renew my license again.
        I’ve tried date suggestions ranging from walks (completely anathema to the vast majority of American females, cross-reference with ‘pouch’ , above) to ice skating, roller skatingh, biking, horseback riding, ‘Celtic’ festivals, various concerts and a string of other things.
        Nada.
        You will be happy to know that I’ve stopped cold dead taking them to restaurants, after the last one turned out to be a Lesbian (yes!), and not only that, she was also still married – to a woman – in Vermont.
        In other words: Coffee or nutt’n’.

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      • I keep trying them, but I can’t stand olives. They taste like gelled orbs of dirt.

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      • Every girl who self describes herself as an 8 is always a 6. Tops.

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      • Fair enough and it is the internet after all. I actually think I look more like a 3 in my head as I suffer from low self esteem but since objectively speaking I am 5′ 2 ,115lbs, hourglass shape, face resembling kristin kreuk of smallville, haven’t been single for more than a few weeks, currently dating an Alpha (how I discovered this site in the first place), never lacked male attention and guy friends rating me a 7.5-9, the lower end owing to height preference, I will take objective data over what is in my head. But again, it is the internet and I won’t post a pic….so whatevs

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      • Are you white?

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      • Also, how likely is an ‘8’ to be posting on a ‘game’ blog?
        Or any blog, come to think of it……

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      • lol because I am have been and currently dating an Alpha after two ltrs with betas. I found this blog out of curiosity, my first post ever was relating to receiving input/advice on how to deal with said alpha. I already described myself in that post and don’t really have anything to e-proof and you are free to draw whatever conclusions or theories you want about me *shrugs*

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      • Not unlikely if her IQ is over room temperature and she values having the chance at a voice and real conversation (in politics, or whatever she finds interesting).

        But it is true that a hypothetical girl like that would never ever actually post a picture nor offer a description of herself in this type of place.

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      • Addendum to the above statement about the photo and description (since I haven’t been here long enough to familiarize myself with all participants)…I suppose they might but it’s unlikely and very unwise.

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      • Didn’t she say that her boyfriend is very much Alpha and she is here to try and better understand him?

        sounds plausible

        and why couldn’t she really be an 8?

        Of course anybody can pretend to be anybody on the internet, but that does not mean that everybody on the internet is lying about who they are.

        I have no reason to doubt she is an 8

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      • fair enough

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      • I’ve never seen a woman speak so highly of herself.

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  3. Women are pansexual. All kinds of weird shit arouses them. It’s the nature of estrogen. That gets erased with the male testosterone flood.

    Plus, preselection arousal bleeds over.

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    • There it is. PRE-SELECTION (and domination) is the key. The woman is getting turned on by the other woman getting turned on by the guy that she wants; whom she wants because the other woman wants him. . .self-looping/feeding circular mental process.

      Perception is reality. There is no there there.

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      • fakeemail is nailing it; polygamy is our natural state. In a wild pack where the alpha male mates with all the women, women hear and see other women fucking him, and are fucking and cumming while other women are within eye and earshot.

        Koala females simulate sex with each other in order to attract male koalas.

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  4. I have a bartender story.

    I went to a shitty film school that was located down the street from one of the hottest, largest universities in America. It was my fledgling PUA days and there was this particular college bar I frequented to hone my craft. I went from a straight AFC wallflower to a respectable PUA during my 2 years going there so needless to say, the bar was like a second home to me. I was there whenever my friends decided not to go out, which was 3-4 nights a week — yes, I went to this bar 3-4 nights a week, alone, and taught myself how to pull without a single wingman.

    Anyway, there was this bartender, a solid HB9. Every chode I ran into was obsessed over this girl. We developed an odd relationship where I would tip her $2 for every drink (drinks were either free or $1) and after a few months, she started recognizing me and would make my drink whenever I showed up without having to order. Even when the bar was packed — which was often — she would keep an eye out for me and made my drink as soon as I walked up. We always exchanged drinks and tips without ever saying a word. Needless to say, this was a huge DHV and girls who waited 15 minutes for drinks would be like “who are you????”

    This chick also worked the floor as a shot girl a few hours a night so she pretty much watched me go from being a wallflower who couldn’t make eye contacts to a peacocking asshole tonguing random sluts and their friends on the dance floor over the course of 2 years. She would’ve been fucking retarded to NOT know I was a PUA or learning PUA.

    About a year in, she started giving me signals but I was too thickheaded to know what they were. Keep in mind that I was going off routines to establish attraction so I was completely clueless when a hot girl was hinting attraction right off the bat. My inner game was so bad and self-esteem was so low that I didn’t take ANY of it as IOIs. She would do shits like bumping/falling into me on the dance floor as she made her rounds and apologized, and tried to start small talks with me. One time, her boyfriend (alpha with a bike) came to see her, they were walking through the crowd and holding hands but as soon as she noticed me she let his hand go. Again, I didn’t give any of it much thought, I was borderline having oneitis with this girl but I always figured she saw me as some fake player who happened to be a good tipper and that was it.

    Around the time school ended, I was so satisfied with the plates I was spinning that I stopped going out. My last night in town, I went back to that bar for old times sake, she saw me and immediately lit up. She asked me why I stopped coming and we talked a bit. It was a packed night and she pretty much dropped everything to focus on me. We learned each other’s names for the first time that night and the next morning I drove 2000 miles to LA.

    Fast-forward 5 months later, I decided to do some facebook stalking and looked her up. Her status the morning after I left:

    “I finally learned your name <3"

    Moral of the story: hot chicks love PUAs even when they know that PUA used to be an AFC.

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    • Great story. I think every man who goes from AFC to full-on player will have a handful of stories like this.

      Next story on the tree: the girls who you’ve made into “alpha widows.” After a few years of elite mac-daddy status, you will have a few.

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    • Fast-forward 5 months later, I decided to do some facebook stalking and looked her up. Her status the morning after I left:

      “I finally learned your name <3"

      Moral of the story: hot chicks love PUAs even when they know that PUA used to be an AFC.

      That’s it?

      That’s the end of the story?

      That’s like Tess of the d’Ubervilles.

      Or the original Great Expectations [before Dickens gave in to the criticism and changed the ending].

      Shit, man, that chick had feelings for you.

      And it sounds like you’re getting a little wistful in reminiscing about her.

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      • I guess that ending was kind of poetic and bittersweet. Yes, I still think about her sometimes. We PUAs have hearts after all.

        PS – Around the time I looked her up, she won some contest for hottest bartender in the city.

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      • on December 9, 2012 at 4:44 am Death's Preamble

        Holy Fucking Shit.

        Thomas Hardy is tickling my liver & laughing in a pile of bloody tears right now. However, in a much more painfully slow & reticently apt manner – as per his romantic inclinations.

        That is possibly the best comment I have ever read. I just wonder when Proust’s gonna show up.

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      • Marcel’s been here and gone. Adam’s bartender story was nothing so much as a remembrance of things past.

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    • Question related to this story.

      When you got good at PUA and you were going out 3-4 nights per weeks:

      1) how many new girls were you having sex with per week?
      2) how many of them were ONS as opposed to D2s?

      I ask because I am a fledgling PUA and I am curious as to what type of learning curve to expect.

      Thanks,

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      • When I got good? It’s hard to say. The better I got as a PUA, the less common new girls and ONSs were because I’d be getting texts from 4-5 girls a night to a point where I’d just go out to practice because the girls in my rotation were hotter than the ones at the bar. I’d say it averaged out to about 1 new girl every 2 weeks and 1 ONS every 2-3 months, but I have no doubt they would’ve been more common had I wanted them to be.

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      • Depending on how hard-case a newbie you are, you could invest a ton of time before you even get laid. I spent probably my first year+ of going out regularly just unwiring shitty beliefs and learning to socialize like a normal human being in general.

        And down the road you quit caring about notch count and look more at chemistry and quality and fun in general with girls a lower priority, like Tyler explains above. I turn down a shit-load of easy lays now just because I don’t want to waste my time with girls that aren’t a specific type. I’ll still flirt with them for practice but I’m a lot pickier about which girls I choose to actually hook up with or see more than once.

        Anti-game types will be like “oh well you had to put in X amount of time and spend X amount of money and the trade off is only X amount of pussy, what a waste” from their armchairs, but the reality is that PUA is a complete overhaul of your life from top to bottom, internal and external, and it’s a slow process to internalize everything. You don’t just read “okay do XYZ and that’ll work” and then do it. You’ll do it a thousand times fucking up or running into unexpected obstacles at different points in XYZ until you learn to handle that stuff and work around it…and the benefits extend beyond the pussy notch count. I can go into a bar as an unknown and walk out with most of the bar knowing me by name, new friends and social circles, invites to parties/events, bartenders bouncers and managers giving me VIP status and remembering me by name, some random makeouts and #s, etc. all stone cold sober. Even if I don’t take a girl home that night, that’s something I could never have done as an AFC and something most guys couldn’t do…the average guys’ night out is standing in a circle with his buddies with beers up at their chest feeling intimidated and overwhelmed by the club environment, getting hammered as they comment on how hot each girl that passes by is, until they’re drunk enough that they finally overcome the social pressure they’re feeling and drunkenly stumble around hoping to find an equally hammered average to ugly girl they can buy drinks for and cross their fingers they get a make out or better.

        You can’t learn this without going out and putting in the time. You need pain to transform:

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      • on December 9, 2012 at 5:05 pm Holden Caulfield

        Good post. As YaReally has been saying before, if you don’t actually go out, no one can explain it in terms you can understand. You really do need to see it and interact social yourself before it sinks in. Blockheads, as usual, will continue to resist logic.

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    • on December 8, 2012 at 1:12 pm immoralgables

      This was a good read. Thanks for sharing bother glad to hear you crossed the AFC –> PUA rubicon.

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    • Interesting that you seem to have contradicted CH’s “game” assertion that you shouldnt tip the girl well. Seems you got her attention by the tips u gave her.

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      • I think the underlying concept here is do what makes you stand out. I’d imagine a hot bartender in an average bar would be showered with tips, so you being stingy with your money would make you stand out. A hot bartender at a bar frequented by broke college students, however, would see way less tips — so a guy who tips her $2 a drink would stand out more.

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      • Adam’s $2 tips are cheap enough that in this case, it worked.

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  5. Her: I love you
    You: You’re so beautiful

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  6. on December 7, 2012 at 5:54 pm Jonathon Factory

    Regarding Tattoo bar girl: Here are your big obstacles. The first two, everyone here can tell you about. The third one I might be able to shine some specific light on.

    1.) “I must have her.” Your outcome independence is in trouble.
    2.) The age difference – not impossible, but working against you.
    3.) Your commitment level.

    Not your relationship commitment level, your lifestyle commitment level. I was a music professional / musician and I was a total frat guy. I’m a zero-ink guy. Aside from non-standard hair and retro t-shirts, I never really looked too hardcore. Rampant ink is a trend I think has seriously jumped the shark, but for those women that are all-in on the tattoos themselves, they tend to want other people that are all-in as well. (Obviously, I’m making an assumption based on your swpl pull that your appearance is in line with that. If I’m wrong adjust accordingly.) Though I never looked the part, I had passable success with that crowd because I was “committed” via my music credibility.

    Now I’m not saying go get sleeved or start playing guitar because you want to bang a bartender for heaven’s sake, but this is one of your obstacles. I suggest:

    1.) I would abort the idea of approaching her at the bar where she works. Just a guess, but I’m betting she loves swpl money & tips but has zero interest in getting on the tip of an swpl. Frankly, I’d barely acknowledge her. Don’t be rude, but don’t get labeled an swpl bar type guy in her mind. You must find out where she hangs out. If you can’t figure out where a tatted up rock girl hangs out in your town, just give up because you’ll never be able to sell #2.)

    2.) You must have something that establishes lifestyle commitment in her eyes. For me, it was music. I may not have been all-in in my appearance, but one conversation with me regarding music and they knew I wasn’t an interloper.

    More assumptions: Most of that ilk loves music. Rock music. They also tend to like local music. NOT cover bands. They like dive bars. Just go to those places on the big nights. Be there. Don’t go looking and approach her the first time you notice her at such a place. Just be there because you belong there. Of course you’d be there. Why wouldn’t you be? You love local alt rock bands. Let her notice you there.

    I would consider this girl a long-term side project for you while you work other women in established ways. This is a low-percentage play, but I think step #2 the biggest thing you’re going to need. You’re ahead of the game if you already have some ink or really do love that kind of scene. Good luck.

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  7. > Two month mark – first intentional public exposure to her friends.

    (Semi) public sex is one thing but doing it in front of her friends is some truly überalpha move.

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  8. With the current girl, I got (her first) anal in 7 months without an “I love you.” At nine months those words have still never been uttered. We’ve also never had a fight, ever. Am I doing something wrong?

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    • on December 9, 2012 at 10:13 am Hugh G. Rection

      7 months for anal? Beta! Otherwise, solid work Doctor. Sardinis for everyone!

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    • on December 9, 2012 at 1:57 pm Hamster Tamer

      … (her first) anal… Lulz. One of the many things wimminz love about anal–but will never admit–is that they can always say they’re a virgin “back there”, and thus Game the guy that he is her “first”… with all the caution flags that follow. Unless the first numeral in her age is still ‘1’, I just can’t believe it… but I always pretend to.

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  9. In the porn industry they’ve got the term “gay for pay”. In real life you’ve got “bi for her guy”. The fact that the letter writer even used the term “lesbian” shows he is somewhat of a rube when it comes to this. I don’t think you would want anything to do with a real lesbian, who would more often than not look like a young Kathy Bates. One of the big perks of lesbianism for the women who engage in it is letting yourself go- i.e. no longer worrying about the standards of beauty that straight men AND women would normally hold you to. “Bisexual” is closer to the mark, but truly bisexual women tend to be more freakish in their tastes, and often also more mannish in their mannerisms.

    What you want is a “bi-curious” girl- meaning a completely normal, feminine girl who will do those sorts of things only because she knows you like them. She will probably be turned on just by seeing how turned on you get, but it is still up to you to bend her to your desire through the dominance of your personality. In short, you still need to game her; there’s no free lunch.

    As to why women are more open to this- socially and romantically it does not compromise their femininity the way homosexuality totally pollutes a man’s masculinity. Even watching male homosexual acts (say, if you were stuck with a gay roommate and had to watch him bring home dates, or had to pass by his beefcake posters everyday) pollutes a man’s masculinity. That is the thing people did not understand about the Tyler Clemente case (gay college student who killed himself after being taped on camera by annoyed roommate). By throwing his homosexuality in the roomie’s face like that, he was slowly sapping the roomie’s manhood.

    So in short because it does no real harm to a woman’s romantic prospects or social standing, and because women are more socially conformist, they will often go along with this if the situation is right. Most frequent roadblock is feelings of jealousy or inadequacy to the other woman.

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  10. i have a big penis… but it hurts [them] when we have sex. what do i need to do to make it less painful? what should i tell women who are afraid of damage?

    Dames never heckle
    A dude’s giant schmeckle.

    Now take your fake problem and get outta here.

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  11. A 22 year old swpl guy hitting on a 32 year old prole bartender? The pre-selection needs to go much further than her seeing you open sets. Bring a girl you are currently fucking around so she can see your body language with a girl you are fucking. If that option’s not available, when you chat with her, mention a couple of girls you are fucking, real or not, by name. DHV and disqualify yourself completely. If you are at the bar alone, make out that it’s your “get away” spot from the nymphomaniacs in your life. Tell her a story about how one of your girls is driving you nuts trying to talk you into an exclusive relationship. Tell her another story about getting caught cheating by an ex-girlfriend and how ugly it was. Tell her you still fuck her sometimes, though. Don’t be afraid to make her think you treat women like trash.

    When you finally do fuck this prole and see her in the morning light, your obsession with her will end.

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    • Tell her stories about how you got caught cheating? This is the Worst. Advice. Ever.

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      • Why? What do you think her reaction will be? Consider the context here.

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      • on December 8, 2012 at 11:44 am Holden Caulfield

        Its not that bad actually. What he has to worry about is how he will handle the bartender’s response to the “i got caught cheating” story. That story should invite a shit test that must be passed with flying colors.

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      • eh I agree with KidB. Implying that you got “caught” cheating shows that a)you are a liar and b) you were too much of a wuss to get out of the relationship. Rather, tell her that you always tell girls upfront that you have no intentions of being exclusive because you hate messing with people’s heads. Trust me, telling a girl you want to bone that you have a hard time committing to one girl will get you farther because in her mind she is thinking she could be the one who makes you commit or b) sees you as an indifferent and/or aloof bloke who is not that desperate that they would lie (relatively speaking of course) just to get laid.

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      • Nah. A guy isn’t a wus for not wanting out of a relationship just because he wants to fuck another girl. As for showing he’s a liar, so what.

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  12. Anal after 9 months? You guys are prudes.

    And honestly, I didn’t know bitches could fall in love before being fucked up the ass.

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    • All of you complaining about CH giving the girl some time before anal is introduced, well maybe he isn’t comfortable dating a slut who is ready for anal on the first date?

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  13. Remember, women are like video games and the best way into their panties is downloading cheat codes off the internet.

    Except instead of “cheat code” let’s call it “biomechanical scientific rationality” or something like that. The advantage of inventing your own science is that you get to invent all the evidence yourself too.

    Also to the first letter writer seeking advice about the bartender, it sounds like you just need to bust a nut in someone first and see how you feel about her afterwards. Cause it sounds like you’re just horny.

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    • Except instead of “cheat code” let’s call it “biomechanical scientific rationality” or something like that. The advantage of inventing your own science is that you get to invent all the evidence yourself too.

      ———————————————————

      Care to elaborate? Unclear what you’re getting at.

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      • Sure. In this case I mean pseudo-scientific blargh like this:

        “Female bisexuality is an in-group adaptation that firms up (heh) social bonds and increases the likelihood that a woman’s children or future children will be able to enjoy the group’s resources.”

        Watch how I can do the exact same thing to “prove” the opposite:

        “Female bisexuality is a modern maladaption. Rather settle down with one man and raise her children, the woman is free to pursue same-sex flings and (non-reproductive) affairs until she feels the desperate need for a baby, by which time her eggs are all dried up.”

        I guarantee you this “Chateau” character could write another essay next month about how female bisexuality is actually really bad for society and children, link it to this one, and no one would notice. Because we’re all just making it up.

        What I meant by ‘cheat codes’ is just taking common dating advice like

        “Touch her shoulder to show you’re interested, and compliment her eyes”

        and turning it into

        “Initiate kino during the 10 second window after negging her glasses and then judo-flipping the neg into a surprise positive”

        It’s like women have some kind of secret code built into their DNA and if you hit the right buttons in the right order, they will fuck you for sure.

        For what it’s worth, googling “intitiate kino” will give you a good idea about the mindset.

        This evo-game is like watching retards trying to get a kite in the air by themselves. You feel bad for smirking but you just can’t stop watching. Bless their hearts.

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      • “It’s like women have some kind of secret code built into their DNA and if you hit the right buttons in the right order, they will fuck you for sure.”

        I think you’re onto something here, sparky.

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      • Yes its how they adapt to be horny and drunk

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      • This evo-game is like watching retards trying to get a kite in the air by themselves. You feel bad for smirking but you just can’t stop watching. Bless their hearts.

        Shh. Don’t blaspheme the creed while you’re in the combox pews. Some true believer might call you a beta, and then how would you feel?

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  14. Women in my area LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE younger men.
    5 years minimum, 10,20 or more – even better.
    Regarding hot bartenderettes, depending on the club, there’s a chance she might be sucking management/owner/bouncer dick to get/keep her job.
    Which means they will be very ‘protective’ of her.
    Also, what’s your STD tolerance?

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  15. i went through gfs phone briefly. her best guyfriend texted her “u should come over itd b the best fuck of ur life.” my gf replied “no thanks i have a bf for that!” etc. then later the next day she made plans to party with him over the weekend etc.

    she’s 20, he’s 19 – also a drug dealer. she buys weed off him, though did coke etc with him back in day. im in canada, i bounce – he’ll be at the club tmrw night. thoughts on how i should deal with asshat from hear on out would be appreciated.

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    • Are you believably scrappy? Are you believably crazy?

      If so, have a convo with him. Buy him drinks. Kill him with kindness. Then all of a sudden out of nowhere get real serious, and say that I know you’re trying to fuck my girlfriend. Good luck trying to seal the deal. But if you do, It’ll be a decision you regret. And then don’t say another word about it.

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      • Yes i can be crazy/scappy. natural bodybuilder. sounda good, though it’ll be tough buying the pecker a drink when im werkin.

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      • If the girl is hot or charismatic, this is a bad idea because he’ll be doing this all the time. Best is to put the fear of a slow and unpretty death in the girlfriend.

        The speech goes something like, “If you want to leave, just tell me. I’ll help you pack your bags. But if you make me eat another man’s cum from your lips, I will cut them off.”

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      • Haw! Listen to our black valkyrie.

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      • Good advice

        and stay calm the whole time

        don’t lose your temper

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      • Shit.

        I meant good advice about what KidB said

        what Nicole said is a bit weird.

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      • That is the point. One never knows how crazy the other guy is or isn’t. Besides, if he’s dealing, he’s packing.

        The most efficient mate guarding is the mate guarding herself. Then you only have to convince one person you’re crazy. You also don’t have the complications involved with scaring too many people whose blabbering you can’t control.

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    • to clarify, she texted “lol no thanks etc” from what i recall

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    • The first mistake you made was having a girlfriend.

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    • “then later the next day she made plans to party with him over the weekend etc.

      she’s 20, he’s 19 – also a drug dealer. she buys weed off him, though did coke etc with him back in day.”

      You are terribly naive if you don’t know what hot 20 year old girls do to “pay” for expensive drug habits, especially coke. She wants an eight ball of blow let’s say. You think she won’t blow for blow? Get fucking real. Your first and worst mistake was making a girlfriend out of coke head. I’m sure he provides first they both get coked up and fuck like rabbits or she polishes him off. Kick this bitch to the curb, or at least, for the love of christ don’t call her your girlfriend. She is 100% embarassing you behind your back. You said “back in the day” so maybe she isn’t snorting anymore… or, maybe she is and you just don’t know about it? You can also suck lots of cock for an eighth of high quality bud too, FYI.

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      • Do chicks blow dudes for weed though? I’m sure it’s happened but I bet it’s rare.

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      • lmao.

        Yeah, and weed isn’t addictive either.

        That’s why the Mexican cartels murder hundreds per year over weed deliveries. Because people can easily live without weed.

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      • Not really. They blow the dudes because they are drug dealers. Getting weed is just the side benefit. With other drugs, it’s another story. Cocaine is said to be better at getting guys laid than chocolates.

        The general rule almost everywhere though is that good girls don’t buy, at least not from boys.

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      • on December 8, 2012 at 9:38 pm driveallnight

        Yes.

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      • +1

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      • Cross-reference with ‘Occasional Smoker’.

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      • She told me last night after a little proding from me that she did a line a few weeks back with her girlfriend. she “knew right after i did it i didn’t like it” and that it was basically her last horrah with it as she wants me more than the coke. she said she used to do it once a week and to quit asap is tough. her friend is also a cokewhore. weeee!

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      • Sure it was. What you need to do is invite them both to a little coke party.

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    • on December 9, 2012 at 10:31 am Hugh G. Rection

      Does he know you are together? If so you gotta beat the shit outta him.

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      • on December 9, 2012 at 7:19 pm parking infraction notice

        same guy that started this thread – diff computer.

        yeah he totally knows we’re together. I saw him last night at the bar I work at, he comes over puts his arms over me and tries to hug me etc. I have none of it push him off me, he offers his hand I shake it, then he pulls me in for some more bro pat-on-the-shoulder shit.

        the whole time I’m talking with him I’m twitching. Buddy has no idea I knew what he sent my gf, so looks like I’ll just tell gf tonight that if he sends you another one of those text msgs I’m beating his ass and I’ll be through with you.

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      • The “brotherly” hugs are a slap in your face (figuratively speaking), he is a fuck’n hypocrite

        I’d want to beat him up too

        Just make sure he is not the type to draw a weapon on you …a knife or gun or something

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      • >> I saw him last night at the bar I work at, he comes over puts his arms over me and tries to hug me etc. <<

        Don't let him touch you. He might be planting shit on you to set you up and get you out of the way. A number of drug dealers operate as police informants, selling out other people to their cop "handlers" in exchange for not being hassled by the cops themselves.

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      • he’s probably bi and wants to bang you and your gf at the same time.

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    • Get rid of her… next.

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    • Dump her immediately. You have a gf who does drugs and is friends with a dealer? Are you insane? Real soon now, they will be getting together to figure out a way to rip you off for everything you have.

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  16. Getting the Bartenderess naked.
    Show up wearing a leather jacket, no shirt, and the unbearably cute face of a TeaCup poodle peering fearfully at the world from right above the zipper.
    Alternatively, use the same conceptual frame; except bring a large snake in place of the cute dog.
    Or just hand her a fake business card and say without emotion, ” if you are interested in a better gig, give me a call.”

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  17. been with a new girl for about two months now.

    she has informed me on multiple occasions that 1) i am too coy with her 2) she wouldnt mind it if i were less aloof 3) i could be sweeter with her. i am sparing with my affections, admittedly.

    last guy she dated was “clingy” and frankly, sounds like kind of a bum. i’m a huge believer in having my own “mission”–very driven, very solid job, keep myself in good shape, etc, and she has made comments to the effect that she likes this.

    the other night she was at my place (giving me an early christmas present). her phone rang 4 or 5 times–this is not a common event. each time she glanced at it, somewhat embarrassed, and quickly ignored the call. i get texts from other girls frequently when this girl is around; i normally look at it, pause, and then get back to what i was talking about. finally, after the 4th or 5th, i raised my eyebrow and said “you should probably take the call, make sure everything is ok.” she got really red, and said “no, no, it’s ok.”

    two questions:

    1) based on her comments, should i tone down my aloof behavior with her? i’m very cocky&funny (hate abbreviations) with her, but i approach this more from an alpha than a pua perspective, if that makes sense. thing is, she’s a good girl–she’s “with it,” level-headed, not an attention whore, knows how to act, etc., so at the very least, i’m interested in keeping her around a bit longer, but i’d like to know whether i maintain my aloof nature or tone it down, because she’s definitely been dropping hints like crazy that she’d like more attention. defying expectations is one thing, but turning her off is another

    2) the calls the other night – an (the?) ex? if so, what should have been my appropriate response, and what is the response going forward? my plan is largely to demonstrate value through 1) attracting other women and 2) maintaining my own high personal value (looks, social status, etc.), but i’m not sure what emotional investment i’m dealing with her and that’s a tricky subject to split. tying this into (1), if this guy is ringing her every couple nights (not that i dont get calls, i just tell girls WHEN they MAY call), i don’t want my aloof-game to blow up in my face as a result if she wants more attention.

    advice appreciated

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    • advice appreciated

      What the hell is the reason for having this “girlfriend” in the first place?

      When you copulate with a chick, you’re either trying to make a baby, or else you’re engaging in an utterly purposeless act of hypernarcissistic masturbatory nihilism.

      BTW, how the hell can you call a chick your “girlfriend” if you don’t even feel sufficiently comfortable to say to her, with a grunt and a frown, “Is that your ex giving you shit again,” followed by a roll of the eyes?

      Or maybe you want her ex hitting on her precisely because, deep down inside, you know that the relationship is just so much masturbatory time-wasting, and you want out.

      Seriously, dude, you need a Come-to-Jesus moment here: Either find some chick to settle down and start making babies with [traditionally, that was what once was known as a “wife”], or else just download some pr0n off the innert00bz and whack off.

      It’s not like our shit-for-a-total-fertility-rate would suffer from you manning up, getting serious, and putting a few buns in some chick’s oven.

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      • UPDATE:

        went to dinner last night (my birthday). did not tone down my demeanor. she commented several times on how she couldn’t read me when i was smirking (she was clearly enjoying it).

        later at my place, phone buzzed again 5 times within the span of a minute, i frowned at her and completely broke conversation, she got timid, and opened the phone to reveal that it was her alarm for the pill. she got really apologetic and said that she didn’t want to tell me last time because she didn’t want me to think she was a slut because she’s on the pill.

        rest of the night proceeded very much to my liking. thanks for advice

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    • Same advice I gave the guy above, your first mistake was having a girlfriend.

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      • No, the same advice I gave the guy above, your problem is you’re dating a slut. If she is getting calls from other men, she is just a fuck buddy, not a real GF, so who cares what she does and with whom.

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      • Madonna whore much?

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      • Agree with Nite Lily here. Why?
        1) You don’t feel like you’re in control, or you wouldn’t be asking questions.

        2) Her pointed and multiple general criticisms are too calculated and globally dismissive of you as a person for her to be taking you seriously.

        3) Lots of calls she ignores is ANOTHERER (sic) red flag. If it was a relative or friend, she would have taken one and explained. It’s your replacement.

        Remember, sluthood is the new normal. Anything less and she’d be considered a loser. Because that’s what “hot” guys do.

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    • Ideally, “aloof game” shouldn’t be a game at all, it should be a natural state and frame. A man who has options has an abundance mentality and feels no need to be an overeager entertainment monkey for any woman (not that you are).

      You say you get texts from other girls, that’s good. But I’m getting a sense of one-itis from your post. A naturally aloof demeanor comes from not losing sleep from worrying about losing this girl, even though you like her more than others. You have to commit to the thought of possibly never penetrating that pussy again someday, and being okay with that. It doesn’t mean lying to yourself and pretending to not give a shit at all, but it’s all about the abundance frame because, ironically, with that frame you have less chance of losing her. It’s easy to post that in a comment, but tough to do for most men. Like the Zombie said, what do you want with this girl? an LTR? Kids? Only two months is too short a time to be exclusive. Your age also factors in to what you want from relationships but you didn’t give it.

      Is your aloofness coming off as too standoffish? Overly affected and contrived? Not aloof but emotionally distant to a fault? You say she’s smart, she might be seeing through it and knows on some level you’re gaming her, even if she doesn’t use that word to herself. Perhaps she interprets it as fear and not confidence. The point of these relationships with women is to enjoy them. To not see her as the antagonist, or the enemy. There’s no need for that because, again, you have other options, and even if your options are weak, you still need that frame.

      So, yes, if you feel your aloofness is too constricting and coming from an unnatural place, be less aloof, but do it slowly so it goes as undetected as possible, because this is also obviously a shit test. She wants you to become more beta, and then as soon as you do that her tingles diminish (the old female contradiction).

      Don’t go beta, be an alpha who doesn’t a fuck about the exact measure of his aloofness. Enjoy the hell out of your time with her. Read Krauser’s Deep Conversion post too, and his blog in general.

      (as far as the phone calls that she didn’t answer, don’t know, probably from a guy or the ex as you said. you’ve only been with her for two months so she probably has old stragglers still trying to get a piece, or she’s seeing other guys because you’re not completely doing it for her, or your aloofness and texts from girls signals to her that your not going to be exclusive, and that’s what she wants so she’s leaving her options open, and will eventually leave you. if that’s what she wants then you can’t force her.)

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    • Don’t pay attention to these 2 cock suckers.

      We need some info about you and your girlfriend. Is she of considerably lower value than you? It may seem like you’re in a bit of an overkill right now. She may think that you are unobtainable. But it’s hard to tell you for sure, because we don’t know enough about you two.

      But overall you don’t seem like a blatant idiot, so go with your guts.

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      • probably close to even value-wise objectively, but i act like i’m worth more, and that helps me in social circles.

        both med students–i’ll be working full-time next year, she’s in her second-to-last year. never mentioned she’s my “girlfriend,” though it’s probably an apt label.

        she has a residency-leading-to-fulltime-employment in the same city (not NY/DC) where i’ll be, and i’d be interested in seeing her this summer.

        i just want to stomp this guy out – he’s back in her old hometown (2000 mi away), but the point is, i want her to crave me, and using standard alpha doesn’t seem applicable here. she’s not a typical bar slut, and she genuinely seems to want more attention–mentioning how much she likes it when i give her *any* attention outside of seeing her at my place.

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      • Be very careful about giving her more ( too much ) attention. Your game has taken you this far, so don’t be so quick abandon it. Remember always that girls will ask for shit they don’t even want, just to see if you’ll do it. Then they’ll hate you for doing what they said they wanted.

        They’re always looking for ways to disqualify you, it’s preloaded software for the female brain. They’re not even consciously aware they’re doing it. Once they can slap the beta label on you, you’ll be tossed in the recycle bin.

        Throw her a bone , maybe do something nice for her. Tell her she’s special. Then proceed as usual.

        My gut reaction is that this cry for more attention is attempt to suss out your inner beta.

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      • She’s spinning plates and juggling cocks while you’re having oneitits asking random chodes on the internet for mate guarding advice. You don’t have higher value than her, bro. And don’t think she can’t sniff out that shit either.

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      • Yeah, now I’m almost feeling sorry for the guy, because it’s sounding like that chick might have been A Keeper.

        Well, at least she WOULD have been a keeper, if she had had a warm personality and a kind heart.

        But a chick who’s still leading her ex boyfriend along by his ballz, all the while pretending to be your new “girlfriend”, is a chick who can NEVER be trusted.

        It’ll hurt a lot [to your pride especially] when she finally breaks up with you*, but you’ll get over it, and some day you’ll be able to look back on the little two-timing whore and say, “Thank GOD I didn’t marry that witch.”

        “Kind Heart” – that’s what you’re looking for in A Keeper – a kind heart.

        Nice girlz do NOT two-time their men.

        *If you can get some positive confirmation that she is indeed still flirting with her ex, then you MUST pre-emptively blow her off IMMEDIATELY.

        Don’t even give her the opportunity to break up with you first.

        Or to cheat on you [if she hasn’t already].

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      • I’m not going to give her the opportunity. I still hit my 2 exes when I’m in the same city (Thanksgiving). I’m not going to give in to the inner-beta; keeping it aloof is the way to go.

        I have some one-itis, mainly in that she’s got slightly more depth than the average girl. She’s still fungible though, as every girl is.

        She wants me to go to dinner with her tonight (my birthday is in a couple days)–I’d like to play this properly, but blowing her off would be pretty nuclear and piss her off mightily.

        How do I get “positive” confirmation? I think it’s pretty beta to dig through her phone and check texts.

        Look Adam, I’m going to learn, so just give me some tips, and I’ll follow them.

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      • “Kind Heart” – that’s what you’re looking for in A Keeper – a kind heart.
        Nice girlz do NOT two-time their men.”

        So true, but I think you might be jumping the gun a bit on telling him to break up with her. He wants to make her go crazy over him first, then he’ll decide what he wants to do with her.

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      • “i just want to stomp this guy out”

        Play hot and cold. It might work well in this situation, and make her stop thinking about him, if she is.

        Spend one weakened day with her, and then ignore her for 4-5 days – don’t answer her calls or text her back. Then when you do, tell to come over as if nothing. Do that a few times.

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      • NiteLily So true, but I think you might be jumping the gun a bit on telling him to break up with her.

        Okay, there’s maybe a 1-in-a-Million chance that the chick is on the up-and-up, but let’s go ahead and play by the Marquis of Queensbury rules, and make absolutely certain about it.

        Two ways to do that:

        1) Watch [or videotape] while she enters her cellphone password, then one night [while she’s asleep], grab her cellphone, install some keystroke-logging software and/or some incoming/outgoing call-tracking software, which uploads it all to a central server, and then monitor everything she does. Now this is at least a felony on the state level, and if it involves long distance [interstate] calls, then it’s certainly a federal felony, so if you get caught, then you go to prison, and as an ex-con for the rest of your life, you’ll never get a chance to become a board-certified MD.

        2) Use Game.

        And here’s a technique that works’s extremely well with high-IQ chicks: Give her PRECISELY what she asked for, only blindside her with it in a manner that she was never expecting when she asked for it.

        Ergo, the next time she’s whining and bitching and moaning about how aloof you are, you very slowly turn to her, and stare deeply into her eyes [no part of your face can twitch or tremble at this point], and summon your deepest, most masculine voice [which can’t have any adolescent frog-chirps in it now, it’s gotta be thoroughly manly], and say, “Honey, do you really want me to open up with you and be honest about us? All right, here goes: You and I have got a big, big problem, in that there are three people in this here little relationship of ours – Me, you, and that ex of yours. And I’m sorry, but that just ain’t my style. So you go home for Christmas break, have a great time with him, and after that, I sincerely hope you have a wonderful life ahead of you.” Then get up and start to leave forever.

        Now roughly three things might happen at this point. The first is the 1-in-a-Million possibilty:

        A) She makes a screwy, smiley-frown face, starts to laugh, and says, “OMG, honey, you thought that was my ex?!? That was my DAD!!! He’s coming out here on business, in January, and he wants to meet you and take us all to dinner. But you’ve been so gosh-darned aloof that I thought I would scare you off if I told you about it!!!”

        But then there are the two possibilities which combine for the 999,999-out-of-a-Million:

        B) The evil, lying, forked-tongue little cunt gets all cute and cuddly and mommy-eyed goo-goo-ga-ga and says, “Oh baby, I don’t have any feelings for him. We’re just friends. You don’t have anything to worry about!”

        Or:

        C) The bitch goes full-blown Borderline Personality Disorder on your ass, and starts screaming, “HOW DARE YOU LISTEN IN ON MY PHONE CALLS!!! HOW DARE YOU TRY TO TELL ME WHO I CAN AND CANNOT TALK TO!!! I’M A GROWN WOMAN!!! HOW DARE YOU TALK TO ME LIKE THAT!!! blah blah blah blah blah…” Followed by throwing all sorts of shit at you, such as the nearest lamp, an iron skillet or two, the cats’ litter box, etc etc etc.

        Anyway, in either of those 999,999-out-of-a-Million possibilities, your ass just walks away and never looks back.

        Don’t even say a word.

        Just walk the fuck away.

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      • LOL! So in other words, he needs to get the fuck outa there?

        [Nice read. You should be a screenwriter with all of your different scenarios and endings.]

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      • “but the point is, i want her to crave me, and using standard alpha doesn’t seem applicable here. she’s not a typical bar slut, and she genuinely seems to want more attention–mentioning how much she likes it when i give her *any* attention outside of seeing her at my place.”

        Oh well that’s a different story. I thought she was a slut because you’re getting texts from other girls and she is putting up with this, sleeping with you without a commitment and knowing you have others. But now that you say she is a student and not the typical bar slut, as Zombie Shane says, she sounds like she could have been a keeper. But maybe she still is. I am not sure that breaking up with her is necessarily good. Have a talk with her, but don’t lose your Alpha ways, continuing being dominant. Maybe some dread will work.

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      • “i just want to stomp this guy out – he’s back in her old hometown (2000 mi away), but the point is, i want her to crave me, and using standard alpha doesn’t seem applicable here. she’s not a typical bar slut, and she genuinely seems to want more attention–mentioning how much she likes it when i give her *any* attention outside of seeing her at my place.”

        That’s not the right frame to be in. Would you consider stomping a fly? No, you don’t even care about the fly. The thing is: your status in itself should be enough to get rid of any “ex” problems. Ignore him.

        If the (supposed) ex’s calls re-emerge, just get this clear with her on the spot. Tell her in a very formal way (that’s very important, formal, like she is suddenly just another person) that, if this is her ex, she should probably take some time to sort this out with him. Don’t show that you are affected by this. Ideally, you shouldn’t be. If you are, this is a sign that you need to work on your game (especially inner game).

        My take on this is that she was embarrassed because she doesn’t care about him, but didn’t want to tell you she got calls from another guy because she associates that with being a slut.

        Now, if you don’t hear about these calls, don’t raise that subject ever. Look at YaReally’s link, and make sure you don’t fall into the same trap. If you want to tone down you’re alphaness, go ahead, very slowly, but ANYTHING that makes you feel bad, kinda shameful (the strange feeling betas have all the time), DON’T DO IT. You feel like buying her a little present, but you feel strange on the way to the shop? Get the fuck away from any shop for 3 days, because you’re on the highway to betaland. She’s been a good girl and you feel like she deserves a little public display of affection? Sure, go ahead. But anything that makes you uncomfortable, nervous, tensed, these are big signs that you are going too deep into betaland. Remember (or learn about) congruence.

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      • she’s a girl from a conservative family, that’s good gf material. please don’t fuck up with her brains even if you don’t care about her. think about the other guys who might like her in the future. cheers.

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      • You are putting your P in her V while she ignores calls from her ex. Why would you change what you’re doing? lol

        If you want to stop the nagging and competition with her ex, try this:

        Next call she gets, stop having sex and yell at her without giving her a chance to explain herself or discuss anything, saying you know that’s her ex and you know she’s banging him and fuck it you guess you don’t mean as much to her as you thought, call her a slut and tell her to go be with him instead and shout this is why you can’t let girls in because they just break your heart as you kick her out and then ignore her txts/calls for a couple days.

        It’ll be the most exciting week of her life.

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      • Shit, man, you’re awesome!

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      • Yeah, dude!

        Most awesome completelyfabricatedandfuckedupbeyondallrecognitionadvisefromawarlordleveltwentytweenplayer ever!

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      • You meant:
        completelyfabricatedandfuckedupbeyondallrecognitionadvise fromawarlordleveltwentytweenplayer

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      • terrific advice! I would love to watch that

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      • I have a Natural buddy who does this kind of stuff all the time. It’s pretty funny but the more important thing is that it works, especially on the good girls who probably aren’t banging their ex. She panics and realizes she might lose my buddy and that emotional rollercoaster is WAY more earth-shaking to her than whatever gay shit her ex is txting and she goes into chase mode trying to win him back.

        He apologizes for freaking out (“i dunno I never get jealous like that about a girl…it’s weird, I don’t know why I freaked out…”) later so of course she thinks “omg he has FEELINGS for me, i’m taming the untame-able player, i’m special and going to save him!” and he acts a bit distant and let’s her win him back and then she’s all over him again and tells her ex to go away because now she has a new project to invest in and my buddy is providing all the emotional excitement she needs.

        If she’s txting her ex, or any other guys, it’s because you’re not providing the emotional rollercoaster of excitement she needs to feel alive and attracted so she’s creating her own drama to fill that by having a “secret” tryst situ.

        Think of it like this: do soap operas and twilight and 90210 and shit just show normal pleasant people being decent to each other as they just go about their lives doing normal things? Or does the evil twin brother seduce the girl and then break her heart after her interfering brother is murdered and she pines for her dead lover as she solves her brothers murder while opening her heart again to the evil twin etc etc?

        Julien from RSD has a lot of videos about purposely creating drama. Personally I don’t care enough about most girls to bother with it because I like my life drama free and would rather just move on to the next girl. But it’s something guys should try a few times just to understand the dynamics and you never know what style of game is going to resonate with you so it’s worth giving a go.

        Of course this guy won’t do it, because he’s feeling one-itisey, but he should. 🙂

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      • Went out for my birthday last night. Did not tone down the demeanor, played pretty cold, and she was definitely fighting for attention. She got more and more “loving” as the night went on.

        At my place, phone buzzes again (at roughly the same time), like 4 or 5 times. 5th time comes around, I broke conversation and growled at her, “Go outside, answer it, and find a cab home.” She got really timid and apologetic, and showed me the buzzing phone–it was an alarm for her “pill”–she didn’t want me to know she’s on the pill because she didn’t want me to presume she’s a slut. I poured myself a drink and told her to go take the pill. I kind of thought back on it later and realized that the other night, as soon as the phone stopped buzzing (again, at the same time) she left it on the table and went to the bathroom with her little hand-purse…so her explanation might hold some water. She was in the fight-of-her-life for my affection for the rest of the night, for what that’s worth.

        I’m not going to give her the benefit of the doubt though, and I’ve been gaming 3 different girls like crazy all weekend. Thanks for the wake-up guys.

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      • @Cardinal

        lol awesome. Props for setting a boundary. She’ll respect you more for it, and hey, you got an answer for what the buzzing was about. I would actually 100% trust that it really is an alarm for her pill and not actually her ex. It would be a pretty elaborate ruse for her to set an Alarm thing just to dupe you and it explains why she’s embarrassed about it and not “answering” it etc. Plus it lines up with how ASD works in general (not wanting you to think she’s a slut).

        I’m not saying drop your other girls and get all clingy on her, but I’d say you can trust that she’s telling the truth in this situ and ultimately you handled it like a boss…her extra affection is evidence of that. 🙂 You’ve also let her know that if she DOES think of seeing other guys, you are fully prepared to drop her, so it’s not even an attractive option to her to risk cheating (VS the married spineless beta who’s cheating wife KNOWS he won’t/can’t do anything about it). But ya, do continue to spin some plates like you are.

        Well done dude! Glad it worked out. You’ll probably have smooth sailing with her for a while…till the next drama comes up lol

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      • you never know what style of game is going to resonate with you so it’s worth giving a go.”

        Respectful tone.

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      • shit

        my comment was bout the YaReally’s linked comic strip

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    • cardinal, how old are you? Quit wasting your time dating these stupid girls and spending hours into these “relationships”. Seriously, grow some balls man.

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      • She’s a medical student, genius. She may come into your taco shop at some point. She may actually be smart enough to know this guy is incapable of loving her.

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      • She might be intelligent and not your usual bar slut, but she is not immune to her female psyche and hormones. If she likes him, it doesn’t matter how book smart she is, she will still fight like hell to make him love her. It takes a lot of practice and pain for women to learn that if a man doesn’t want to fall in love (if he doesn’t ant a GF or wife), nothing she can do will make him fall in love with her and the decision is really out of her hands. Just like men learn to game women, women can learn to control themselves and not lose their heads over guys that have no intentions of loving them back, just getting their sex. Hell, up till the early 1960s, that’s how women behaved. They weren’t opening their legs to every passerby. Women gave sex only in exchange for love, and back then love meant marriage.

        Trust me, this girl is not aware enough to discern his sexual interest from love. But at least, she is probably not a woman with many past lovers if she is a med student. At least that’s what I assume about her. That can’t be bad. That’s better than the usual bar slut who slept with 5 other guys the week before. I think he should keep her around for a little while and see where that leads.

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  18. The way a woman reacts to a painfully big penis is the single best barometer of how she confronts masculinity in general. Paradoxically, petite women seem to enjoy it more than 5’9 SWPLs.

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    • Man, from experience – there is some truth to this. I am packing somewhat more than average, but not ridiculous pornstar status. Only one girl ever made a big deal about it and she was the tallest curviest girl I ever banged, probably 5’10, almost amazonian haha. She would do the clenched teeth sharp inhalation thing while I was pounding away. I found it amusing at the time because I’d just gotten off a string of very petite girls, the smallest of which was 5′ and 98 lbs, and besides admiring comments, it never was an issue with any of them. I wondered if maybe nature just gave her an especially short canal…

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      • I have a smaller penis because I’m fairly short (5’6). My first “best sex ever” compliment was from a 5’11 slut.

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      • Vaginal size varies greatly, and doesn’t necessarily correlate to height. I have a large penis, and have been with a good deal of women of varying colors and sizes. My experience has been that women of African descent have larger than average canals, while Asians have the smallest. Caucasian girls run the spectrum, from tight-as-fuck to as loose as a wizard’s sleeve.

        As an aside, I feel like vaginal size/depth/attractiveness is an underrated quality in today’s sexual marketplace, and one that is extremely valuable to me.

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      • “Vaginal size varies greatly, and doesn’t necessarily correlate to height.”

        This.

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      • “I feel like vaginal size/depth/attractiveness is an underrated quality in today’s sexual marketplace, and one that is extremely valuable to me.”

        Yeah, when I say “your pussy feels so good, baby” during bang sessions, I definitely mean it.

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      • In my younger days, I use to ‘believe the hype’ about pussy size. It is about as false as dick size. Older and wiser now, I share with you the following, which I also saw in a recent youtube video posted by some MILF looking whore that basically extolls the fact that she has taken more cocks than a sperm bank. I love Western women, did I mention that? Anyways, back on topic… I’m 6 feet tall and my cock is above average in length/width. I have caused discomfort enough times in my life to know this. Like my man said above, -not- a pornstar by any yardstick but frequently hearing “oww!” and if I’m taking you from behind, you likely will bleed a little even if you don’t feel it.

        I’m not hung up about dick size like most younger men are, I know what I’m packing. However, I was even past my 20s still confused about how pussies work. I dated a little Fuckapino (Fillipino) for a while that was bordering on kiddie porn status. 5 feet tall 98 lbs. I simply figured that I would puncture her uterus. Not….even… close. The widest, flappiest, and most longest pussy I ever banged in my life, and I’ve had my share, was contained inside that body. Conversely, I use to bang a 5’10” Paris Hilton knock-off with a cunt as tight as what I imagined on the little asian whore. Take home message- Pussy and body type are about as related and dick and body type for men. That has been my experience utterly in the past 20 years of bangin’ out whoo-ahs.

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      • Jay in DC
        I dated a little Fuckapino (Fillipino) for a while that was bordering on kiddie porn status.
        —————————————

        A race mixing racist: LOL!

        oops, I mean, white power!

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      • Puttin’ the vanilla in Manila… folder-ol.

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      • There actually are moderate to strong correlations between dick size and body type and other characteristics in men.

        cf.
        http://inductivist.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/predictors-of-big-penis.html

        Correlations

        Lower body strength .386
        Upper body strength .378
        Amount of body hair .312
        Strength of sex drive .248
        Physical strength .248
        Masculine mannerisms .231
        Masculine body build .222
        Low-deep voice .148

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      • on December 9, 2012 at 10:39 am Hugh G. Rection

        Those Big Vagina ladies are getting away with murder

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      • Ah, yes… another one of the light bearers.

        He’s an equal-opportunity offender, though… I’ll give him that.

        He had me laughing when he hired that orchestra to serenade, out in the street in the wee hours of the morning, one of his fellow chosen with the overture to Wagner’s Meistersinger

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      • I wondered if maybe nature just gave her an especially short canal…

        well, it’s either nature or plastic surgery.

        (see: ava moore in nip/tuck)

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    • As a petite girl, my N = 1 agrees with you

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  19. Hmmm, here’s something to ponder,

    If women today successfully manage to transform the word slut to include men, does that mean that attempts by women to shame promiscuous men would then become verboten, as it would be a form of slut-shaming?

    In which case, shouldn’t cads (which is the correct term for a promiscuous man) embrace this attempt to re-label them?

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    • I used to think there was no such thing as a male slut until too many guys I knew who were less selective than they should have been about personality caught bad STD’s like hepatitis and herpes. This weighed very heavily in my decision to avoid guys who aren’t masculine enough.

      Male slut means something different from female slut, but it’s just as bad. It’s not a guy who gets laid often outside of a commitment, or does freaky things. It’s a guy who’s constantly screwing addicts and other kinds of nasty girls. He thinks he’s a player, but no quality women, hot or simply not desperate enough to roll the microbial dice, would go near him.

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      • This is my primary argument with RooshV who has openly stated that he raw dogs just about every cunt he comes into contact with. I use to be that guy, and I paid for it mightily. My dick has been through battle and I have the scars to prove it. In a RooshV world, your cock would end up looking like the moon. Pock-marked with craters from every funky and nasty form of disease you had to ever have removed. Pornstars get tested for STDs every 2 weeks. The rest of us… not so much. Wrap your dick or suffer especially in a society in 2012 full of “strong, empowered, women” read; easy, masculine whores.

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      • In all the instances in real life when I have heard young women (18-25) use the word slut to refer to guys it has been used to mean ‘promiscuous male’.

        In fact, the impetus for writing this comment was from a girl I know referring to her ‘slut’ father the night before, as he had had a lot of children with different women.

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      • I thought the term was manwhore.

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      • Nah, “manwhore” implies that he’s good enough that someone might pay for it. Could also imply bisexuality, depending on the context.

        In my observation, when a woman takes the time to specify that a guy is a male slut, it’s because he’s substandard but thinks he’s a stud. He’ll screw anything, but not in the “sees beauty in all women” way some alphas tend to. It lacks a certain benevolence and being nearly universally attractive that “manwhore” might imply.

        There was a post made a long time ago about the difference between dudes who get a lot of sex with women who are low quality, and dudes who get a lot of sex with women of higher quality. These guys end up with very different reputations, even if you take their critics into account, but what’s most important is that each is coming from a different mentality, and feel differently about themselves.

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  20. Want an easy way to know what’s beta in any situation? Just ask what is the politically correct thing to do. Political correctness is forced betadom.

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  21. on December 8, 2012 at 9:10 am feminizedwesternmale

    “Nine and a half month mark – first anal. Explain that it’s time for her to prove her love more deeply.”

    [shakes head]

    Sorry Bro, that should be @ the Nine and a half WEEK mark and preferably with a post-coital creampie picture on your phone. “Love” ain’t anywhere near the lexicon at that point. “I own your ass,” is a better translation as you make a cupping gesture with your hand, so as to signal her to run and fetch you a beer. That is pre-dread game.

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  22. I’ve got another opinion on Trimegistus suggestion that women are a lot more willing to be bisexual lipstick lesbians. It not that it women are more prone to it, than men just that in men homosexuality is so frowned upon.

    In old society women value came from their ability to bear children, mens value came from the service they could provide. I.E. their ability to kill animals other thing, hunt in packs, generally be hard nose providers.

    If a women gender bends a bit, then she still retains her female value. If a man gender bends he is considered a women without the ability to bear children, hence he has no male value and no female value.

    Being seen as effeminate as a man, socially has always been punished. So a bi-sexual man with catch a lot more flack than bi-sexual women.

    Plus women know it hot and turns guys on.

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    • “In old society women value came from their ability to bear children, mens value came from the service they could provide. I.E. their ability to kill animals other thing, hunt in packs, generally be hard nose providers.”

      “If a women gender bends a bit, then she still retains her female value. If a man gender bends he is considered a women without the ability to bear children, hence he has no male value and no female value.”

      Bingo!!!! Excellent assessment.

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  23. Need an assist here– how do you discuss GFs “innocent flirting” in my presence without coming across as needy/insecure/jealous?

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    • Don’t discuss it with her.

      If she’s attention-whoring, find a new girl. Innocent flirting is always anything but and you’ll regret it down the line.

      If she’s looking to make you jealous as a shit-test, draw her own insecurities. Don’t talk to her much for a couple days, but drop vague hints about your “busy” social life–“gotta go, cab’s here.” Do not let her believe you’re a “kept man,” make her understand that she is fungible.

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    • “innocent flirting” is to “innocent” as semi-boneless is to boneless.

      Don’t get the mouthful with the bone.

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    • on December 8, 2012 at 1:23 pm immoralgables

      Don’t discuss. Action and emotions trump logical discussions. Turn the tables on her. Flirt with other girls. Make it appear that others are pursuing YOU and use texting to your advantage in that regard. See how she responds…

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      • This.

        A lot of girls will test a guy by flirting with other guys and seeing how he reacts. If she’s into you and you don’t give a shit about her flirting and are instead flirting with other girls yourself, you’ll find she pretty much 100% of the time ditches the guy she was flirting with (either instantly or by the end of the night) to come cockblock you and claim her territory from “those sluts”.

        For hot girls sex is easy, they could say to any guy “hey wanna fuck?” and the guy is on board. So they think its that easy for guys. You could just be making small talk with a girl but yours will see it and think “omg they’re going to have sex if I don’t stop it!!” and her whole mission becomes getting your attention back. Then just take her home and fuck her.

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  24. “S/Ra answer: Female bisexuality is an in-group adaptation that firms up (heh) social bonds and increases the likelihood that a woman’s children or future children will be able to enjoy the group’s resources.”

    I have a whole blog post dedicated to that:

    The Evolution of Female Bisexuality « JayMan’s Blog

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  25. Quick question: Is it beta to eat a chick out?

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  26. The first threesome should occur within the first 2 weeks; otherwise, it typically won’t happen until after about 10 years of marriage

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    • True alpha would be meeting her during a threesome with one of your previous hookups.

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      • I actually pulled something close to that off once; a new girlfriend and I swapped with a couple she knew (I only knew the dude), and a couple years later, I started seeing the other chick.

        The downside to that, as I learned, is that the chick you met swinging – not wanting to open the door to being replaced – isn’t going to be having threesomes or moresomes with you any time soon. She may talk about them – quite A LOT in this particular case – but if you actually want to have one, you have to be prepared to put in something on the order of the full marriage of 10 years.

        Still, there’s something to be said for dating a chick you met in a situation such that the first words she ever said to you – words which were completely unprompted – were when she turned to you and said, “I like cum; just not in my face.” Needless to say, there was no need I my part for openers. In fact, I think my response at the time mighta been, “Hi. By the way, my name is [DirkJohanson]”

        But, yes, meeting chicks by having sex with them to break the ice is a good thing.

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      • “Still, there’s something to be said for dating a chick you met in a situation such that the first words she ever said to you – words which were completely unprompted – were when she turned to you and said, “I like cum; just not in my face.”

        Yes indeed. That “something to be said” is “good for fun, not to make house.”

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  27. on December 8, 2012 at 2:18 pm Holden Caulfield

    If you could only ever have one, I’d rather have tight game than be rich:

    http://screen.yahoo.com/millionaire-wants-a-girlfriend-from-santa-31296828.html

    Players are constantly dodging relationships until *they* truly want one. Rich dipshits on the other hand…

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    • He specified, on top of that, a “Latina” girlfriend. What a dumbass. Why doesn’t he just expat to a Latin American country? There are, like, twenty of them to choose from. (Including the United States, ha.)

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      • The billboard is the ghetto part of town too. Down by the navy base. Not sure what he’s thinking.

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      • He’s thinking he wants a few illegal girls to run to him for “protection” and create his own harem-on-earth.

        Remember that American guy in Central America doing this (some CEO-billionaire), who just has a massive estate with about 10 local women living there at his sexual beck and call?

        This dude probably read that story, but doesn’t want to move.

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  28. Well, I already told my bartender story here.

    It seems a running theme here about bartender chicks is that guys get obsessed with them enough to fix themselves to get laid–but by other chicas. Mine certainly was part of my inspiration, but by the time I was good enough to nail her, she was (sadly) past the point of expiration.

    Or the guys become creepy stalkers and never get any from anyone, and end up shooting up a mini-mall (hello, Sweetheart Jason!).

    Your choice boys: adapt or die.

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  29. re bi girls : they all have mothers and were all cuddled / kissed / cooed over / fed by them ? That’s got to leave a few subliminal memories …

    re bartenders – a sign in a bar in Northern CA, tattooed but pretty barmaid :

    “Sexual harassment of staff is allowed but may be graded”

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  30. I’d like to hear your thoughts on why women seem to be more open to situational bisexuality than men

    Some of it is attention whoring. I’ve seen otherwise conservative females get into heavy duty liplock with females at parties or clubs while at the center of a gaggle of guys hooting them on. Here’s these gals battlecry: “Oh look at me! I’m sooooooo outrageous! I’m kissing another grrrrrl! Look at me!”

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    • on December 8, 2012 at 5:20 pm Holden Caulfield

      Never underestimate what a lot of women will do for male attention, especially if they perceive the males to be of high(er) quality.

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  31. On the situational bisexuality, it would at one time have been very advantageous for women to tolerate and even like other women in the harem of an apex alpha. This allows them to get the best seed while being in a group that protects them and, with bisexuality, bonds them and serves emotional needs. For men, any other cock in the ring is just a threat to impregnate the women before he does, so it makes much less sense for nature to have made men inclined to bisexuality. Of course, this doesn’t explain prison homosexuality, but I’m sticking to my explanation.

    [Heartiste: That’s not prison homosexuality, that’s prison rape. Bit different than consensual female bisexuality.]

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    • Crank is right

      nature/evolution made us that way.

      and since prison is a completely UN-natural environment fro men, what happens in prison does not contradict evo-psychology at all.

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    • “That’s not prison homosexuality, that’s prison rape”

      Yes, rape is about power not sex!

      [Heartiste: No, rape is about sex. Inmates are getting their rocks off by raping. But they’re not homosexuals; they’re simply looking for an expedient hole. Once out, they revert right back to pursuing women for thug life sex.]

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      • Feminists like to play with the truth. It’s symptomatic of the entire left. They brainwashed society that rape is about power not sex. That’s why you’re repeating it like a recording.

        Rape is about sex, not power. And, sex is about sex. They complicated it in order to demonize sex. They made all sex about power and subjugation, even sex within a marriage. They made women feel like they are being used and enslaved if they “submit” to sex with their husbands. But, notice how a woman slutting and defiling herself with many partners is encouraged by feminists. The notion that you’re having sex “on your terms,” and not within an “enslaving marriage,” that’s ok in their eyes. See how incoherent their philosophy is? Turning women into useless sluts who never find complete happiness, and making men feel completely frustrated over not being able to find a suitable wife, that’s good, according to feminists. See how they take away the fun from everything?

        Therefore, I wouldn’t listen to any feminist ideas, and psychology itself is becoming a quack discipline. Psychologists often join forces with feminists to change the definition of things based on their propaganda. I tune both out, you should do the same.

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  32. Girls love to be led and dominated so to speak. I am sure a lot of one off bi instances occur because there is a dominating girl who finds a more naturally submissive or just feminine girl attractive and leads the way – she games her and the other responds in a natural way albeit the person she responds to is a women.
    You read about heterosexual married women (with a beta husband?) who turn gay usually under the influence of another women acting like a man (or in a way a man should act if he wanted to be successful with women).

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  33. I agree with both of your explanations of female same-sex attraction.

    “… and the disgust reflex that usually accompanies thoughts of same-sex intimacy in both sexes (gays excluded) is subdued in women.”

    You think there is a reflex triggered by thoughts of same-sex intimacy? I think there’s a reflex against all sexual intimacy and especially sexual intimacy with men. You were right about the threats of doing anything sexual with men (“pregnancy, rape, abandonment, violence”).

    I also think that when you are a girl in love with another girl it’s better not to think about fucking her. I always felt it was wrong when I had fantasies about a girl I loved. Not only that I felt I’m totally creepy I also believe that sex with a woman who also has sex with men is quite disgusting.

    I would like to know your thoughts on male same-sex attraction… It’s almost impossible for me to believe that women are all the same (we all have the ability to fall in love with another woman) while men are either straight or gay. Can you try to explain that? What is the difference between gays and straights? There is absolutely no proven physical difference (like gay gene or anything (visible) in the brain), so what is it? (I’d just like to hear your opinion because your theory about lesbianism is really good). Do gay men have sex with each other because they believe they can’t bed a woman? Because they are lonely? Or because they lack self control and want to have sex all the time and with different people (which is something women would never allow)? Why straight men in general are so homophobic? (compared to women) Are they, like women, afraid of rape and humiliation that comes with this?

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    • “Or because they lack self control and want to have sex all the time and with different people (which is something women would never allow)?”

      That’s definitely one of their issues. But also I think many of them were sexually abused as children by other men, and that first-ever sexual experience for them (even though it was molestation) is the only sex they connected to, and that made them start having sex with men as they became young adults. There is a theory that the first type of sex a man has, will be the kind he’ll want to relive time and time again.

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      • Yeah, I did read about this, that many homosexuals were abused as children … but not all of them. Some just seem to become gay for no reason. I’m almost sure there is nothing hormonal or anything like that because gay guys look normal, outside and inside (brain etc.). I’d really like to know what is the reason men become gay. For me, this is a very different question from why women become lesbians/bisexuals (I’m absolutely convinced that most women have at least some small potential to fall in love with another girl, so I believe that this is 100% normal like it’s normal for women to become fat, for example). I really hate it because people believe female homosexuality can be compared to male homosexuality … it’s two very different things, I’m sure.

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      • Homosexuality is a learned behavior in both men and women, even though the reasons they become homosexuals are different. It’s a choice for both, but for men it is more the result of abuse, or of an older boy in school teaching a younger boy “to experiment”. That’s why parents should keep their eyes open on who is befriending their children. Of course, if gay marriage is passed, it will be considered hate speech to complain about such issues. For women it’s more of an emotional thing to bond with other women, especially when such a woman has problems with men, or doesn’t have a lot of success with them when she isn’t that feminine and pretty, like in the case of severely obese woman.

        The only type of trans-gender I accept as real is when a person is born with both sexes, internally with organs of the opposite sex of what he/she are on the outside. Usually it’s people born as men on the outside but have female organs internally, like a womb. I accept that such a person is probably more female than male and should definitely choose to live their lives as females. Even when they do brain scans on such people it shows their brain is more like a female. Other than that, homosexuality is a choice, not something you’re born with.

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      • “Other than that, homosexuality is a choice, not something you’re born with.”

        Well, no, it’s not a choice. What you feel is not a choice, you can only choose what you will do with that … I believe that I was born with my ability to “like” other women. I’m absolutely convinced that I will never have sex with another woman in my life (I wouldn’t want to, even if I had a chance) BUT I still am (slightly) attracted to women in a way that men are … It’s not just emotional as you say, it’s very sexual.

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      • “What you feel is not a choice”

        Here is your problem. You believe feelings. I feel gay, so I am gay. The left is feelings based, not logic based. That’s why we have affirmative action, to make minorities feel good, even though they are not up to par.

        Feelings according to the left, is why fat women shouldn’t be discriminated against, so they don’t feel bad about being fat (and maybe losing weight as result).

        That’s why an ugly old witch is called a “stunning beauty” in magazines, so that aging women feel they can still compete with younger women. I actually saw a short article on this year’s Oscars, where Jane Fonda (in her 70s) was called more beautiful than women 40 years younger than herself. I screamed ‘WHAT?’

        See, if you tell a lie long enough, people will start believing it. That’s the left’s tactics, and that’s exactly what leftists do.

        Gays have been brainwashing us for decades now that they feel gay because they were born gay. They have to say this in order to be accepted by society. If they told the truth, their friends/family would tell then to get over their feelings, go see a shrink, talk it out, start going out with women and get it out of their system, etc…. but they don’t want to get cured, and I understand them, really. Habits are very hard to break, especially sexual habits. Once you get used to sex with men, it’s really all your crave. It’s sex without limitations, which women will never allow, as you said it yourself.

        I often bring into the mix the example of ancient Greece. Most Greek men had younger boy lovers they took under their wing and showed the ropes to, that included sex too. So all of those famous Greek philosophers and warriors we learned about in school had young boy lovers, usually before puberty boys. The idea was that until a man gets married he should have sex with other men because women have to be virgins on their wedding night (again circumventing women’s sexual limitations).

        You can’t tell me everyone in Greece was born gay. No, it was a learned behavior. It became part of the culture, just like gays are trying to make it now. And do you know what it caused in Greece eventually? It caused men to stop having sex with women until their society crumbled eventually. Only one or two city states remind while all the other ones disappeared off the map, and Rome took over.

        “BUT I still am (slightly) attracted to women in a way that men are … It’s not just emotional as you say, it’s very sexual.”

        Every woman is attracted to other women too. Not just you. We love to eye women’s bodies because they are beautiful. A woman’s body (when she is thin and well-proportioned) is a work of art, and I am not interested sexually in women at all. I wrote about this in another thread. Click on this link and it will take you right to my comments on it. You’ll see you’re no different than all women. https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/12/05/evidence-that-peacocking-works/#comment-393763

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      • NiteLily,

        “Here is your problem. You believe feelings. I feel gay, so I am gay. ”

        No, this is not my problem. I feel gay from time to time but I consider myself normal (exactly!). I would never label myself gay or bisexual. I did it sometime in the past but not anymore. I’m really angry that so many boys and girls have to go through phases of shame, confusion and “coming-out” because they falsely believe they are “different” from normal people.

        “Gays have been brainwashing us for decades now that they feel gay because they were born gay. They have to say this in order to be accepted by society.”

        Yeah, I’ve noticed that. Maybe we should explain them that everyone feels gay from time to time but we should ignore those feelings like we ignore our sexual feelings towards family members or animals.
        I believe that homosexuals are like fat people. They misinterpret their feelings and instead of ignoring them, they “follow their heart” and end up unhappy after several years … But I’m not sure. I mean, I’m almost sure that lesbians don’t exist (they are just straight women who behave like they do) but I can’t say that for gay guys … It’s proven that female sexuality is ‘fluid’ etc. and that straight women can feel gay sometimes … but have you ever heard a straight guy saying that he is attracted to another man? Or gay guy that he likes women too? (OK, I know that bisexual men do exist but they are very very rare, much more rare than bisexual women*) Why men are either gay or straight and women can be both at the same time? Many women believe it’s because men are so homophobic and they don’t want to admit their homosexual feelings (most women wouldn’t be so ashamed of that, especially in our gay-friendly society) but men claim that it’s because they really are disgusted when thinking about sleeping with a man … Hope you understand what i’m asking…

        “Most Greek men had younger boy lovers they took under their wing and showed the ropes to, that included sex too.”

        Ancient Greece alone is a proof that ALL MEN ARE GAY or, at least, they have a potential to become gay. So why almost all men are so violently homophobic and disgusted by the thought of sleeping with another man?

        “You can’t tell me everyone in Greece was born gay.”

        Yes, everyone was born with a potential to become gay. Like everyone is born with a potential to become fat. http://everyoneisgay.com/

        “Every woman is attracted to other women too. Not just you.”

        OK, I’m relieved that I’m not the only one who is so creepy 😀 So we can make a conclusion – lesbians don’t exist because every woman is attracted to other women 🙂 Lesbians are just some lazy fat feminists or maybe confused teenagers without self control.

        *Bisexual men are probably so rare because no woman would ever want to fuck a gay man – is there anything more dirty than promiscuous behavior of these people?

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      • @Maya:

        “Ancient Greece alone is a proof that ALL MEN ARE GAY or, at least, they have a potential to become gay. So why almost all men are so violently homophobic and disgusted by the thought of sleeping with another man?”

        Ancient Greeks were genetically different from today’s people, so their behavior means nothing for today’s world.

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      • “Homosexuality is a learned behavior in both men and women, even though the reasons they become homosexuals are different.”

        You keep saying it, but you don’t offer anything to prove it…

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  34. I’m surprised nobody’s mentioned AIDS. A gay guy has a significantly higher risk of passing on the only STD that can kill you. Even in swinger circles dude-dude is pretty rare.

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  35. It’s Sunday… why ain’t you guys in church?

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    • on December 9, 2012 at 10:47 am Hugh G. Rection

      Why aren’t you? God’s gonna be pissed.

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      • I was there for the early service and didn’t see any of youse guys… and y’all weren’t at Bible study last Tuesday, neither! 😡

        Don’t make me tell Aunt Bootsie.

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  36. “One month mark – first home-cooked meal that you make for her at your place.”

    Excuse me? She cooks for you.

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  37. Respond to aforementioned troll: “i have a big penis. women love it when i pull it out and dangle it in their faces, but it hurts [them] when we have sex. what do i need to do to make it less painful? what should i tell women who are afraid of damage?”

    Shallow thrusts, dumbass.

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  38. A great analysis on how Game has developed over the last decade.

    http://krauserpua.com/2012/11/30/game-theory-has-its-own-life-cycle/

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  39. By this logic, there is no hope for me, or any woman. I may as well stay single forever and never bother with men, because whilst I might be attractive now, as soon as I get older and lose my youth my man will cheat on me or leave me because he won’t be able to deal with my decreasing attractiveness. So I should never aim for marriage, family, or long term relationships – they will never last as there is no cure for inevitable aging, which all men are repulsed by if this website is to be relieved. Wonderful.

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    • From what I’ve gathered from 9 out of 10 of the participants here, you aren’t supposed to be smart enough to have figured that out.

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    • cardboardhilltop,

      No, you were not reading carefully enough. If a man falls in love with a young and pretty girl he can love her forever. He simply does not notice that she changed because he always sees her as a young girl she was when he first saw her.

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      • She has to be a virgin though. Otherwise, he can’t love her. And she needs to have a great need for him to protect her, otherwise if she can take care of herself, he’ll leave. So always play the damsel in distress. Don’t display too much independence. 🙂

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      • I highly doubt she’s a virgin. That’s why she’s panicking.

        You can’t fuck with biomechanics.

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    • Choose an older man and become a widow at 60-65 (maybe he will keep banging you to his last breath at 80), surrounded by children and baby grand children.

      Dumb bitch, as an attractive young female, a good life might be handed to you on a platter.

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    • Not so.

      1)Take care of your looks and stay in shape.
      2) Cook and clean and don’t be a nagging, whiny bitch.
      3) Respect your man and stroke his ego; you will be amazed how well he responds to this.
      4)Realise is that it’s not all about you.
      5)Fuck his brains out and give him blowjobs as often as he wants them.

      You are now a “Keeper”.

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      • Ahaa, I was being sarcastic, I was just pointing out the stupidity and irony off this blog. I couldn’t really give a fuck, if what men want is an empty-headed doll with no emotions, thoughts or desires, (which of course, most of the intelligent ones don’t) I’ll happily stay single, and wish you good luck with finding anyone like that.

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    • You’re absolutely right, since you will only accept an alpha stud as a life partner. The men that you have any hope of getting to commit are ones with whom you will not have sex.

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  40. Marry a much older guy

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  41. Women are bisexual whores by nature; the red pill not only validates the pump-and-dump lifestyle but makes it the only rational choice in a world where female sexuality has all the societal-technological advantages on its side, while male sexuality does not (yet). Monogamy only works when societal pressure controls female sexuality. Otherwise you are digging your own grave, being extremely vulnerable to financial slavery (via alimony/child support), male and female cuckolding, and seizure of your offspring.

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  42. You now my take on the timeline.

    0-3 months-whatever.
    91st day. She’s done. See ya. Next.

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  43. Off topic, but maybe something you can use in your Science & Biomechanics updates. I posted it here because the reader mailbag seemed appropriate, and the “macropenis” header dovetails so very ironically with the subject matter.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/radio-hosts-insensitive-blast-of-transsexual-athlete-comes-under-fire-151500782.html

    Key paragraph – “In 2003, the International Olympic Committee became the first international sports organization to allow transgender athletes to compete. To qualify, an athlete must have undergone a gonadectomy (a sex change operation) two years prior, must have legal recognition of their gender assignment and hormonal therapy must be “administered in a verifiable manner and for a sufficient length of time to minimise gender-related advantages in sport competitions,” according to the IOC’s Statement of the Stockholm consensus on sex reassignment in sports.”

    Payoff phrase – “hormonal therapy must be ‘administered in a verifiable manner and for a sufficient length of time to minimise =gender-related advantages= ‘”

    Official recognition, by a sensitive PC-guardian no less, of differences due to gender. Someone inform the US Army.

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    • Wait, does the Olympics allow men and women to compete in the same events? Can a woman box a man in an Olympic event? Can women race men? Um, no, I’m pretty sure only people of the same gender are allowed to compete against each other in an Olympic event, so obviously the Olympics has always understood innate gender differences, dumbass.

      That was really the dumbest comment I’ve read in a while. That the Olympics committee really doesn’t understand that men and women are physically different, despite the fact that the whole Olympics is explicitly arranged around that observation by having all-female and all-male events.

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    • You’re the smartest fucking guy on the block here buddy now aren’t you? I think the us army along with the rest of us have been watching men and women compete in SEPARATE events for a very long time. Next time be careful using that big brain of yours.

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