The Handsome Man-Ugly Woman Couple Syndrome

I was participating in a mobile conference which included question and answer periods, and I noticed an odd couple standing to my side. He was youngish and good-looking — most women would agree on his physical attractiveness — and his wife was a snout-nosed, inbred-looking, stringy-haired, big fat pig dressed in sweatshirt and ill-fitting jeans. In other words, the typical American woman. I assumed they were married because I saw their rings and she had her hand on a stroller with an infant tucked away in it.

What abomination is this! I thought. But then the reason became crystal clear after only a few moments watching and listening to them interact.

Speaker: Any questions?

Big Fat Pig: [nudging her hubby with her elbow] Honey, remember…

Handsome Husbandry: [tentatively raising his index and middle finger, and haltingly talking] I have a question… I have a…

Speaker: Yes?

Handsome Husbandry: [his question-asking hand lingering in mid-air, other hand stuffed in pocket] What did [X] bring to the event that caused [Y] to happen? It seems like.. it seems as if…

As he asked his question, he kept looking over at his wife — in fact, staring at his wife more than the speaker, although he was ostensibly addressing the speaker. One would be forgiven for having the impression that he was seeking constant real-time assurance from his wife that his question was acceptable for public discourse. Nervously shifting from one foot to the other, leaning into his wife, gazing downward when the speaker responded to him, his body language was so beta it was painful to watch. No, it was repulsive to behold, almost as repulsive as the visual effrontery of his wife’s blubbery carcass.

The wife, meanwhile, assumed the posture and countenance of the alpha male. (Never trust a power vacuum to be left unfilled by man or woman.) She looked straight ahead when her husband was simultaneously asking his question of the group leader and craning his neck to her for approval, and she never once softened her expression into a sympathetic, let alone loving, smile at him. (Some men go through life never knowing the exquisite pleasure of a woman’s appreciative gaze of admiration.) There was no unspoken, feminine job well done crease of the eyes on her porcine face. Just stone cold indifference, spiced with a hint of contempt.

Yep, like I said… CRYSTAL CLEAR.

It’s illuminating to compare our reactions to different mismatched couples. Think about what you say to yourself when you see the following pairings (remember that you have nothing to go on except what they look like):

Handsome man with beautiful woman

All is right in the world. You infer the man has alpha characteristics to complement his good looks, and he has cashed that in for a hot babe. You would be surprised, were you to talk to him, if he wasn’t charming and a bit arrogant. You do not doubt the woman’s judgment.

Ugly man with ugly woman

All is right, if depressing, in the world. You infer the ugly man has beta or even omega characteristics, and that an ugly woman was the best he could do. You assume the ugly woman resents him for having to settle, but knows she has no other options. Love between them is less about passion than it is about task delegation and avoidance of suicidal loneliness.

Ugly man with beautiful woman

Wow, he is shooting out of his league! But then, thinking on it a bit, you recall that you saw quite a few couples like this mismatched pair during the week. It’s less rare than popularly imagined. You may ask yourself “What does she see in him?”, and from that you infer the ugly man has compensating alpha attributes to snag such a hottie — maybe he’s wealthy, or slick, or funny, or a dominating asshole, or some combination of each. You assume this ugly man has options to be able to choose a beauty for a girlfriend.

Handsome man with ugly woman

Whoa, what is he thinking?! An uncommon sight, (occurrence less frequent than its polar opposite), you presume the handsome man has some debilitating personality flaw — maybe social awkwardness, or shyness, or micropenis — that prevents him from fornicating with his true potential. Unlike the mirror image couple of the ugly man with the beautiful woman, you do not give the ugly woman the benefit of the doubt in assessing why she was able to catch a handsome man. You simply conclude, reasonably, that the handsome man is not the alpha male on the inside that he looks like on the outside, and therefore the ugly woman is not really dating out of her league. There must be something wrong with him, you think.

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The last mismatched pairing is the subject of this post because it so powerfully illustrates a fundamental tenet of game: a man’s looks are of limited utility as a measure of his alphaness and, hence, his attractiveness to women.

When we see couples out and about we usually resort to sizing them up based on immediately discernible criteria like looks and style. This judgmental shorthand works well on women for whom looks are their most salient sexual currency, but shows its limitations as a method of discerning a man’s dating market value, as exemplified by the couple in the story above.

This is why most people have a tendency to assume the best about ugly men who pair up with beautiful women, and assume the worst about handsome men with ugly women. There is an instinctive, deeply primitive understanding chugging away behind the prefrontal cortex in every one of us that women sexually respond to a suite of male attractiveness traits, of which looks are only one desirable male quality. It is therefore not inconceivable to most non-brainwashed observers that an ugly man might have other characteristics that appeal to a beautiful woman on his arms, or that a handsome man might be crippled with weakness and self-doubt that constrains his ability to attract no better than a big fat pigwoman.

Contrast that instant appraisal we all have of the men in mismatched pairings with how we think about the women in such relationships. A beautiful woman with an ugly man does not have beta characteristics; she is simply drawn to other attractive attributes in him which we are not as privy to as his looks. (E.g., He must be a rich/famous/funny/charming dude!) An ugly woman with a handsome man does not have positive compensating alpha female attributes; she is simply settling for a beta who happens to look good. (E.g., What’s wrong with him?)

In the mismatched couple I witnessed, it was clear that whatever good will or tokens of desire that the handsome man had inspired in his pigwoman were completely squandered by his beta behavior. It was easy to see by her loathsome demeanor that his looks no longer held — if they ever did beyond the first couple of dates — any sway over her feelings for him. But being the big fat pigwoman she is, she knew she could not do better.

And that is why the generational increase in human beauty is a slow, painstaking process, punctuated by tragic reversals to a sloping brow norm (see: Appalachia, Detroit). Handsome betas are polluting the gene pool with pigwoman blood.

Maxim #59: We tend to defer to looks as a judgment of a man’s sexual market value because that is what is most easily observable given situational and time constraints, but a man’s looks are only one male attractiveness trait among many that account for his desirability to women.

Corollary to Maxim #59: A woman’s sexual market value is more accurately judged solely by instant appraisal of her looks.

The next time you see a handsome man with an ugly woman, before you scratch your head in confusion remind yourself that you are not seeing the whole picture. A beta male’s soul is not always judged by his cover.

Then parade your hot girlfriend in front of him and his pigwoman. Hopefully, it will ignite a spark of manly fortitude, and his sack will grow three sizes that day.





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  1. Someone must have listened to Jimmy Soul, unfortunately.

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  2. Would you care to comment on the following:

    Much older man with younger woman
    Much younger man with older woman

    Much Taller man with shorter woman
    Much Shorter man with taller woman

    More intelligent man with less intelligent woman
    More intelligent woman with less intelligent man

    I would suggest that normally for most couples, the man is slightly taller, slightly more intelligent but in looks fairly similar and when that is not the case one instantly notices it and begins to wonder why.

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    • “Love between them is less about passion than it is about task delegation and avoidance of suicidal loneliness.”

      So cruel, and so true.

      At least for most ugly couples, I’ve seen a few who seemed to live an ugly people’s fairytale (underlying rationalizations notwithstanding).

      For the others, there still is hope. As we all know, men can upgrade their smv by learning game etc… But I think the best shot for an ugly woman in order to have a less miserable life is to snag a good-looking beta. She will probably still be miserable, but she can pretend that she’s a lucky woman who has a happy lovelife.

      And the gene pool will be less polluted, nothing more catastrophic and unvoluntarily cruel than two ugly people breeding together (and their ugly (especially female) kids would agree).

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    • Since I’m here, I’m gonna follow up on your post:

      Older man/younger woman: It he’s too old, he’s a sugar daddy. If he’s 20 years older max, he may have swept her off her feet. That should be more common.

      Younger man/older woman: beta/former slut.

      Tall man/short woman: Nothing to report.

      Short man/Tall woman: Height doesn’t mean much in my book, but since so many newbies are whining about their height, I’m gonna assume that he’s got bigger balls than average.

      Intelligent man/less intelligent woman: That should be a golden rule.

      Less intelligent man/ intelligent woman: It depends. Is he an alpha thug? All women in their prime fall for dumbass douchey badboys. If she’s older, she may have run out of options… Naah, wait. Too many contingencies here, can’t draw anything…

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      • I think in the case of the younger man/older woman pair, the woman is likely being used by the man for money or career advancement. He could also be gay, which many suspect is the case with Hugh Jackman.

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      • More likely he is using her for the sex.

        Older women get extra nasty. While in college I used to fuck this nurse up in the bay area. I’d meet her at her apt on her lunch break, stick her head out the window and do her in the ass. The first time I ever had my salad tossed, was by and older woman… and it was unsolicited.

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      • I like older women myself, or did when I was younger. Older than me now is usually too old. Attractive older women are usually a good life experience for younger men

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      • Older man/younger woman: It he’s too old, he’s a sugar daddy. If he’s 20 years older max, he may have swept her off her feet. That should be more common.

        That’s one mighty big assumption you’re swinging around there.

        I’ve got a 24 year age difference in my 1.4 year relationship, and I puppy dog eyes served up with my home cooked breakfast every morning.

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      • Comment in spa m Q.

        I’ve got a 24 year age difference with my girl, and receive puppy dog eyes and the full doting treatment every day.

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      • Oh, and she’s hot and I’m bald and ugly.

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    • The age thing should be self-explanatory.

      “Much Taller man with shorter woman” – Pretty natural.
      “Much Shorter man with taller woman” – His overall value compensates for his shortness (look up the Mini-me guy with a model case for a prime example of this)

      I’ll assume that by intelligence you mean IQ. In that case, what’s important is not the IQ number, but how you use it. You could have an IQ of 200, but if you’re a socially awkward computer whiz, you are not gonna get laid, even if you are good looking. If you use that same IQ to be the most awesome man you can be overall, you’re gonna be a very attractive person and have a conscious advantage over the attractive but dumb types sometimes.

      As for a woman’s IQ… it should only concern you if you want very smart children (and even then, you want her to be as good-looking as possible to keep your potential daughters from living a miserable life), or if you want a LTR with her and she’s stupid enough to burn down your house or accidentally kill herself if she’s not under constant vigilance.

      Higher IQ women and lower IQ men? Happens all the time… Labrats, doctors, philosophers, lawyers… they just can’t resist good ole assholeness+aloofness combo. Besides, from my experience, what women seem to mean when they say that they want an intelligent man is not that they’re looking for the next nobel prize winner, but rather a witty, smooth-talking, socially-aware man.

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    • “More intelligent woman with less intelligent man”

      Better sex.

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      • @Lara

        Doubtless, but great sex for who, the intelligent woman , or lessintelligent male?

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      • I was sort of being facetious, but there is some truth to it. If I were a really intelligent man I think I’d prefer a less intelligent woman, one who looked up to me and wasn’t always trying to challenge me. Sometimes the same goes for a woman. You might just want a man who handsome, masculine, athletic, easy going, affable, and not overly intellectual.

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      • Constantly challenging a man is an Anglosphere thing. My wife is very intelligent and seldom if ever challenges me.

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      • on December 8, 2011 at 1:26 pm Too Smart To Fail

        “If I were an intelligent man, I’d be an idiot to consider a less intelligent woman, where is the challenge in that?” If I were a not-so-smart, well-to-do beta, of course I’d be prey to a lurking feminist who fakes orgasm to satisfy my frail ego, and makes it that much easier for her to “I’m not happy anymore” off to divorce court and away with half his assets and future alimony to infinity, while I shack up with criminal bad-boy, enjoying the benefits of both! Lol..not really laughing..

        Of course, why would a female really respect that schlub in the first place, which reverts back to, ‘A woman cannot love a man she does not respect.’

        Would you really have respect for a guy who would settle for you?

        Lara, we are on to your schemes, and those females who think the same!

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      • “Sometimes” is the key word there. A woman always wants the devil in her bed. Esp. an intelligent woman. Otherwise they get bored and that’s a killer.

        A very intelligent man wants a woman who is surprisingly intelligent for someone with such a feminine mind.

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      • on December 7, 2011 at 9:21 am John Norman Howard

        Spin, hamster, spin!

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    • >>>Much Shorter man with taller woman

      The greatest example of this situation is that of Bernie Ecclestone, the CEO of the organization that administers Formula 1 racing. Bernie’s former 2nd wife was nearly 12″ taller than him (she was 6’2″, he was 5’3″) *and* he was 28 years older. She was a Croatian model who didn’t even speak English when he started working his magic.

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      • on December 8, 2011 at 1:47 pm Too Smart To Fail

        Rick, you beat me to it.

        Bernie’s height disadvantage was reconstituted by mating with a tall, slender, and very attractive counterpart, which we can see, by their daughter Petra. Young, Hot, Rich, and Tall, ooooh baby! Just what the doctor ordered.
        I’m almost certain she did not join the fuglies of america and venture into cock-carousel territory, like that of Ivanka Trump, another favorite of mine.
        Selective breeding has its advantages, the two above are prime examples.
        What does a man have to lose with either woman? Virgin’s or not, I’ll take my chances, just waiting for them and the right opportunity.

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  3. So painfully true, it hurts. I’ve been the very definition of “a beta who happens to look good” my whole life. Damn, I wish I had discovered this “game” stuff when I was younger!

    If you haven’t already discussed it, this article backs everything you say:

    “Ten Politically Incorrect Truths About Human Nature”
    http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200706/ten-politically-incorrect-truths-about-human-nature

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  4. A mobile conference? Like software development for phones? I didn’t thought you were a developer or something in that industry… Or is it something else?

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  5. How about this though – women age poorly, like milk; men age well, like wine. If you were looking at a middle-aged couple (with baggage, i.e. kids), who have been together since their early 20s, it is possible that they had a SMV on par with each other when they got together, but which diverged over time. In this particular case it is unlikely, given the beta characteristics that you saw, but it has to be considered as a possibility…

    [Heartiste: They were not a middle-aged couple. But your point is a good one. Marriage constrains the choices available to alphas and betas alike should a spouse get old, fat and ugly.]

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    • That’s why the guy has got to build dread, keep that bitch going to the gym, if he actually gets married. on purpose.

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    • “Marriage constrains the choices available to alphas and betas alike should a spouse get old, fat and ugly.”

      The main purpose of marriage is to protect kids because it forces their parents to stick together and take care of them. Men should just accept that in case they get married they will have no other choices besides their aging wives.

      [Heartiste: Try telling feminists or gay marriage proponents that the purpose of marriage is to protect kids and force their parents together. I doubt you’ll get a friendly hearing.]

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      • true dat, marriage is now just an excuse to have an “I’m a pretty princess party day,” to both of those enemies of civilization.

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      • on December 7, 2011 at 9:23 am John Norman Howard

        Civilization, shmivilization… enemies of mankind… and God.

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      • Funny thing is, in the UK there is a BIG, rarely discussed loophole.
        Once the kids are grown (and the wife presumably no longer
        fertile), for many couples, all bets are off and they will both
        happily cheat on each other – but will stay married.

        Thor

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      • I tried that already but I’m not as good in persuading people as you are. I didn’t convince anyone and now I’m not even sure whether I’m right or not.
        Maybe the purpose of marriage is not to force women to stay with the kids and their father (I think women usually don’t have a problem with that) but only to force men to help raising children?

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      • Its the true and original purpose of marriage. It was the original safety net as well as a means of ensuring that the offspring were your own. What feminists and sodomites seek to claim in order to convince themselves of their new definitions of marriage is immaterial to your being correct on this point.

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      • Yes, but they usually have arguments that are very confusing. They don’t understand why gay marriage could harm the institution of heterosexual marriage and I’m not able to explain it. I’ve actually never heard a good explanation but I believe it should include some evo psych pseudoscience.
        I also suspect that those who are against gay marriage believe that everyone is straight (or at least bisexual) and could find happiness in heterosexual marriage. Sadly, they have no good arguments against homosexuality (besides that the bible says it’s wrong which means nothing to atheists). Anyone has a really good (=easy to understand) argument against gay marriage?

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      • Government-sponsored promotion of a lifestyle that by default can’t produce future taxpayers, thus decreases the population, thus robs itself of future revenue, is illogical. And don’t say since they don’t have kids that they use less resources. Carry the timeline out far enough and any short-term benefits are erased by the shrinking long-term tax base.

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      • You live in Scandinavia I believe. They’re too brainwashed to ever see common sense there and actively seek to root it out and destroy it. I oppose Gay marriage because its a cultural Marxist construct that deliberately makes a mockery of fatherhood and the need for a father in the family. If your entire goal is to destroy the partriarchy and reduce white men to servitude, and turn society into a bunch of polyamorous bisexuals then gay marriage seems like a great idea. Such a society is wide open for self destruction and won’t last. However, you can’t argue with lefties because they really want to believe in fairies and unicorns and reject the value of a father in the family as an outdated anomoly. I simply buy more ammunition for the day of reckoning and smile to myself in full knowledge that their days are numbered.

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      • “… decreases the population …”

        This is not a good argument because gay people and their allies believe that sexual orientation is not contagious (which is, I think), but rather inborn and unchangeable. Allowing gay people to live as they want would not decrease the population because straight people can continue to reproduce as they always did. Can someone tell me something better – I really need this argument – people attack me every time I mention my strange political views …

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      • Tyrone,

        “… makes a mockery of fatherhood and the need for a father in the family.”

        But u know, it’s PROVEN by numerous studies that kids living in same sex families are just as mentally healthy as kids living in the traditional families ;P
        Also, traditional families can be really unhealthy (you know, patriarchy!) and very often, kids of gay parents are much more tolerant and open-minded than average kids!!!

        “If your entire goal is to destroy the partriarchy …”

        Of course this should be our goal – women and men need have equal rights!

        … and turn society into a bunch of polyamorous bisexuals then gay marriage seems like a great idea …”

        You’re saying homo/bisexuality is contagious? weren’t they born this way? 😉 It’s not possible to change your sexual orientation so you can’t the whole society bisexual …

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      • CH, could you correct the grammatical errors and missing words in my last post … ? Thanks.

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      • The arguments against redefining marriage have little force because the definition of marriage has been vitiated to the point of meaninglessness. “Marriage” is a shell of an institution.

        The wedding is an excuse for a big party, the lavish look-at-me attention-whoring of overgrown (physically and chronologically) princesses, profligate spending, and the chance to publicly pretend a tramp is still innocent (fucked-out guttersluts wearing white). It is an amped-up Sweet Sixteen party for 30-year-olds in their last chance before they hit the wall, a ceremony gilded by religious superstition no one believes.

        The marriage itself has nothing to do with children, who come before, during, or after the nuptials without social judgment. It is little more than Official Friends With Official Benefits, which can be voided like a contract with a kick-out because one day she decides, “I love him, but I’m not in love with him anymore,” or other such new age vapidities. It is ended as quickly as it is begun and as often as one wishes and for any reason.

        Socially acceptable, extramarital sex and drive-thru divorce are at the heart of gay interest in the matrimonial frankenstein. Did you think the promiscuous anonymous fuckall that is the queer underground would be attracted to the dire sexual constrictions of marriage above-ground if restraint were still any part of the institution? No way, sssissster.

        Maya has trouble articulating the case against redefinition because everyone intuits there is no definition. The only reason to restrict access to the Make-Your-Own Marriage Buffet is pettiness or meanness. There is no good argument against altering an empty phrase to fit the whimsy of queens (or polygamists, or siblings, or imaginary/inanimate objects) playing house.

        If you want to know why the institution of marriage is not elastic enough to contain every bent preference very freak has, you must have a healthy respect for the institution to begin with. We no longer have that respect, and for good reason. Consult your friendly local Male Rights Activist to give you the litany of why modern feminized marriage is a tragishamockery.

        And no, I don’t use the politically slanted phrases “gay marriage” or “same sex marriage” any more than I say “transgender” or “heterosexual” or “undocumented” or “differently abled” (or the Marxist invention, “capitalism”). Contained in those contradictions-in-terms are the very assumptions whose passive acceptance makes radicalism seem inert and above argument — Maya’s conundrum. Appending “hetero-” to “sexual” invites the seemingly innocuous equality of the “homo-” version without argument or analysis, putting normal, healthy, and well-adjusted sexuality on par with men sodomizing each other’s GI tracts. The argument is silently won upon the victory of a word’s thoughtless adoption. Other examples: “freedom of choice”/”pro-life” (pro-abortion/anti-abortion), “revenues/investment” (tax/spend), “partial-birth abortion” (D&E), “death tax” (estate tax). There is a reason why politicians are always poll-testing and changing up terminology.

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      • Of course homosexuality can be taught. That is another big lefty lie. There’s a reason they try so hard to recruit heterosexuals. I’m not so sure that kids raised in gay families are all that normal. Remember, its the lefties defining what is normal here too, so its self referencing, like most commie arguments. My brother has a friend whose father left the family for another man. I like him a lot, but he has some major issues that I’m sure are rooted in that rather traumatic event. Lefties just redefine everything as normal to reach these conclusions. Is the kid more likely to experiment with homosexuality? Yes. Is the kid more likely to be bisexual? Yes. That alone is reason to prevent it. In any event, your ideas on this issue are normal and Scandinavia is strange. I grew really tired of European sanctimonious double talk. I have reached saturation point with them.

        How about this one, bisexual societies devalue women to the point that they are treated like animals. Consider most Arab countries, where homosexuality is the dirty little secret. Once you get past that thing about sex with other men, women become a nuisance and breeding units and little else. Lefties will then say this can be fixed wih a little social engineering. You can’t argue with lefties because they willfully ignore negative feedback. They still don’t think there is a problem with family breakdown and a low birthrates for the leading members of society. Its like talking to Christians who try to refute your arguments with bible verses. However, Christian teachings are generally healthier for a society, because they don’t need massive social engineering to make them viable. Any system that needs constant external correction, is inherently unstable.

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      • I also failed to mention above that the main reason homosexuality was an early bugbear of Christianity is because women made up the lion’s share of early Christians. Christianity started out as a slave religion, then spread to the women of the better households through their maid servants, and through them to their husbands, where it attained legal and social legitimacy. They didn’t want their men having sex with boys or other men instead of them, which while not universal, was indeed common. Christianity gave women and men an inherent sense of human worth and dignity that was previously not seen by most people. The real irony here is that Cultural Marxism is nothing but a secular perversion of Christ’s teachings. I predict that sex with minors will be the next lefty crusade once homosexuality is accepted in their minds.

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      • Thanks to King A and tyrone for comments.

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      • Perchance if you have an opinion, you should be able to defend it BEFORE you try to seek confirming opinions.

        I’m not saying that you’re wrong, but if you’re right, it’s only because you stumbled on the truth.

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    • I now occasionally work for my former girlfriend who I first met when she was 16. At 20 I went into the military, came back at 27, and we got back together for a few years and then split up again. Didn’t see her again until she was 43. I don’t know what to say – the voice is still the same, the personality is still the same, but she got hit with an ugly stick. It was a combination of things – smoking, 3 children, tanning, adult acne, weight gain. You would never guess it was the same woman. When I am remodeling one of her Rentals we go shopping together – and I find myself VERY self-conscious about being seen with her – I may be Beta, but I’m not ugly – and I find it dreadful to think that people that see us together mistake us as a couple. I look at the picture I have of her when she was 17 and just wonder what happened. She told me her sex life with her husband was dead – no surprise – would I like some? NO WAY! It hurts me to think I was once hot and bothered for her after the change I saw. She got married, had the children she wanted, and just let herself go, and she doesn’t even care – but then at her age, there is no going back. Fortunately vibrators don’t have eyes.

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      • My friend, there are no truer words than women age like a cheap sweet vintage, turning into vinager/sewage. I went to my 20th high school reunion and was shocked at how old most of the people were. I only recall one woman who had aged well, while on the other side there were a number of men besides myself who had aged well. A case in point was a cheerleader I had known… she looked at least eight years older than I did. I’m just curious what the 30 year reunion will be like when I show up with my 10 years younger wife. I’m guessing the gap will be even bigger.

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  6. One has to constrain the analysis to the recently married or coupled. We oft times change and devolve/evolve over the years. Hence an older married couple can easily have a greater disparacy in looks.

    I KNOW I’ve gotten much more handsome and self-confident over the years.

    But one can’t just marry, procreate, and dump, especially with children and a family life. One thing I’ve learned, the hard way, is that divorce is EXPENSIVE!

    [Heartiste: The woman in this post was never good-looking. She would have been ugly even if she were skinny. He clearly met her as an ugly woman.]

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    • Fair enough – you were there for this particular couple. But extending your example to ALL couples has some temporal pitfalls, the more so the longer they have been together.

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    • That’s why its good to be older to get a good sense for how a woman will age. There are loads of women who look hot when young but turn into cattle as they age. Mom is usually a good bench mark. If you’d do her Mom, you’re probably safe. Check out how Ginger Lynn looks like nowadays. You’d never recognize her from her porn days.

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      • Ya, that, or, just date young girls while they are young.

        Who cares what she will look like when she’s old? Is a LTR a permanent till death do you part commitment?

        I’d love a poll on this site as to what % of readers want children. And another as to what percent want marriage.

        Me, I just want a loving companion. For A WHILE.

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      • White people won’t survive without more kids. Smart white men need to breed more in our country- with white women. This is my public service message for today.

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      • Or Brigitte Nielsen. I would say she is at the top of the once stunning, now makes me want to throw up list.

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  7. And that is why the generational increase in human beauty is a slow, painstaking process, punctuated by tragic reversals to a sloping brow norm

    Interesting sentence. I’ve never seen it written anywhere that there’s been a “generational increase in beauty”, although given sexual selection it must be true.
    Or is that more a reveal of the long-term wishes of this blog? A world where all women have converged towards exquisite beauty – the Chateau Singularity?

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    • The Chateau wrote years ago about a (maybe) generational increase in beauty discussing looking through recent yearbooks vs those from the 80s iirc. Would find and link it but on my phone.

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  8. That story is harrowing. If only he could realise that in six months of conscious and progressive effort, he would be in a position where slumming it is never an option again. Of course, there is no reason to feel sorry for this man. A myriad times during his adult life he could have taken a step back and thought ‘how do I change my situation for the better?’ Yet he has not. There is no reason to feel sympathy. At his core he is weak.

    “(Some men go through life never knowing the exquisite pleasure of a woman’s appreciative gaze of admiration.)”

    Isn’t this the truth, though it is a common fate for most men. Gentleman, you know you’ve reached a certain level when you look down and catch a glint in their eyes that suggests you are part-rock star, part-father and part-you’ve just given her a G-spot orgasm.

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  9. It’s a very common phenomenon in Ireland and Britain.

    You see late 30 men of alpha appearance with manatee wives.

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    • You know, I am sure the HBD crowd has explanation for this, but from what I’ve seen, there are countries in which the population is known for good looking men or women, but not both. So, Vietnam has gorgeous women, plain men, while the UK has better looking men than their women. I hypothesized that england’s beerwench culture and cold weather (spurring the desire for big boobies over pretty faces, causing british women have huge knockers) lead to this outcome. Cultural difference or something else?

      Anyway…either sex should demand more from their mates to avoid the Appalachia/Detroit genetic meltdown.

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      • Englander here. Not convinced that there are noticable amounts of handsome male/ugly female couples walking around. Admittedly obesity is much higher in young women than it is in young males, but that is true of the US and the rates of these pairings are likely comparable. Regarding the tits: a common statistic that you hear is women in the UK having the largest tits in Western Europe. This is primarily due to the UK having one of the largest rates of obesity in Western Europe. It’s not a nation of huge knockers, rather a nation of saggy, shapeless D-cups with a big belly billowing out underneath. The girls walking around with large breasts and slim bodies are the absolute outliers.

        The only place where I have seen a high proportion of these couples is while travelling around Andalucía in Spain. The men in these Spainish pairings were thin and athletic with well defined features. The women were skinny-fat or overweight and carrying it all in their bellies. It was very noticable.

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      • The above was discussing it within the young. You do see a lot of older men with whale wives, but this is something you see in most Western countries. We all know the reasons for this occuring.

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      • “You know, I am sure the HBD crowd has explanation for this”

        This is a return to matriarchal means. Under the patriarchy these people would be able to find mates that are roughly in their sphere of looks rather than descending to warpig level. But with women free to pursue hypergamy, and crowd around the 9s and 10s, the 1-3s are free to pursue hypergamy as well, just with the 6-8s. The result is that beauty is selected against, both because the uglier women are not having to decide between their peers or dropping out entirely, and that they are trading sex for attention(and having more kids as a result), as opposed to their more attractive sisters. Luckily there is a bottom limit to how far beauty can fall, unluckily, it is pretty far.

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      • That’s true. For white people, the British Isles have better-looking men than women, whereas in Russia it’s the opposite, with the countries in between having more or less a gradient between the two. You can even get from U.S. immigration statistics (who immigrates from what country on a spouse/immediate relative visa, their sex, and age) a good idea of this.

        After I spent six weeks in Kiev, and met a dozen or so young people from several different Western European countries, it seems to me that it depends more on a**holish / boorish behavior making women more unmarriageable than men, rather than strictly appearance. Although, being a b!tch means a woman is far more likely to become a fat pig! Slavs, on the other hand, are very warm and friendly (except for perhaps certain low-class drunks); so are the Germans and Italians. The British, Spanish, and French, on the other hand, are dicks, and the Brits are the worst of the bunch.

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    • Absolutely. I hate to admit,but there was a 4 day period when I was marooned on the couch with a bad cold and started watching episode after episode of the UK Wife Swap. So many of the men ranged from average to attractive while their wives ranged from shapeless blobs to average sized with hag- like faces. Of course I can think of dozens of female British actresses who are beautiful, but the level of the typical woman on the street is often lower than the men. It’s like the typically British facial characteristics work better on males than females.

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      • I’ve said it before and will say it again, British women used to be hot a generation ago. What happened?

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  10. I’ll bet said man voted Demo-rat.

    Lefty men are overwhelmingly balless, sackless losers like this one. I’ll bet he married her because they both worked on a Demo-rat campaign together and he thought that “intellectually and politcally” they were compatible.

    And she cheats on him.

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    • Lefty men are overwhelmingly balless, sackless losers like this one.

      This is news?

      It’s funny how often a libiot girl will jump in the sack with a “hateful warmongering right-wing oppressor” … but it seems much less common to see a conservative girl hook up with a libiot guy.

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      • That’s cause most conservative girls are smart and know what’s good for them in the long run. Libiots usually just follow fashion.

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    • That goes without saying.

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  11. on December 6, 2011 at 5:32 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Could mean he’s gay and trying to deny it. I’ve discussed this with gay friends, and they notice it a lot. Sets their gaydar off.

    [Heartiste: My gaydar is good. He wasn’t gay.]

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    • Gay guys always seem to get “gay” feelings about physically attractive men.

      Never about, say, Tom Arnold or Michael Moore.

      Just saying a lot of times its more wishful thinking in their messed-up, child-molesting little minds.

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    • in this day and age, insecure gay men dont pretend to be straight. they might claim to be bi even though pussy disgusts them, but they wont deny theyre attracted to men altogether. unless theyre from some fundamentalist religious family, in which case, all bets are off.

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  12. Funny about the ugly sucker asking a question. This reminds me of the
    reverse. About a year and a half ago I was at an informal reception
    starring Gary Johnson (former governor of New Mexico and a presidential
    hopeful.)

    Now, Gary was, obviously the start. But you may have heard about
    something called “the podium effect”, the man at the podium
    seems in charge and power is the ultimate aphrodisiac (dixit
    Henry Kissinger). But you can produce some podium effect for yourself
    just by asking intelligent questions, preferably a little provocative.
    (DON’T attack the star, it will probably backfire as the people assembled
    are generally FOR him).

    But after a couple of questions, I had some nice podium cred, and was hanging for the rest of the day with a young woman half my age
    – not a head turner, but nice looking. (For various reasons, including
    her living many hundreds of miles away, it was not practical to pursue further). But the moral is that Q&A sessions can in many cases lay a gaming foundation. YMMW.

    Thor

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  13. You keep running posts about my brother and his bigfatpig. I never noticed how “normal” this has become in fat America until my brother made his move.
    I see it everywhere now.

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    • Nothing like Walmart on a Saturday night!

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      • Just fucking shoot me, Tyrone. I can’t take the sight of these fat sweats any longer.

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      • Go to Kiev. You will never go back. The city is a supermodel’s convention. No where in the world has more smoking hot poon walking around in one place. A man with game can live like a king there. Only then will your brother start to see the light, if he can crawl out from under Ruth-Ethel.

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  14. Even a beta should be not so stupid to make a child with an uglty woman.

    Probably he fucked her while drunk and she got pregnant, or she was already.

    He had no spine to reject the deal.

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  15. I’ve dated a woman below what I can achieve in the sexual market place, and, yes, I was at a low point; however, she never lorded over me, though. When she used to bitch, I’d tell her she doesn’t have that luxury, or, that type of capital to spend.

    She was an anomaly whom I treated with complete indifference. I wan’t gaming her, I just really did not give a fuck. At any point in time, when she wasn’t being ultra sweet, my penis entered a state of flaccid catatonia. The only remedy was a retreat to the nearest bar where I could excise her slovenly visage byway of a stolen glace from an unfamiliar female.

    Oh well … she gave great head and she swallowed all my kids, every time.

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    • People like you really disgust me.

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      • women like you are irrelevant.

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      • *Preening*

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      • Why is the guy disgusting and the woman taking the crappy deal from Mr. Indifferent not?

        I’ve never been desperate enough to shag someone I felt was beneath me. So if anything, I feel sorry for a guy who’s had or is in a phase like that. She was basically taking advantage of his self hatred.

        If you just scratch the surface of most martyrs, you find an adept predator.

        I’m probably the only woman I know who’s consciously used fat as camouflage.

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      • Please elaborate.

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      • Fat is an averaging factor rather than a hard uglifier for a woman who is basically pretty, not a raging bitch, and living among relatively “primitive” people.

        First of all, it’s not very common. It attracts attention. Whether your body is different in a positive or negative way, people will look and stare. People who aren’t screwed up generally look for positive traits in a person rather than focussing on the negative. So once you’ve got their attention by being a landwhale, they try to find something good about you. If you’re otherwise boner inspiring, you have an in.

        Once the veil of delusion was lifted, I realized that I was still comparing men to my husband and hunting hot guys who viewed me as vulnerable and disposable, so I could get the awesome sex but not the emotional entanglement with lesser men. Sex with a guy who really *feels* dominant is almost as good as with someone actually dominnt, who loves you deeply. There’s a similar…abandon…like some invisible force snapping off the buckles of their sexuality. It’s still missing the impact and total surrender ability, but it’s got a good bit of the fun factor. It’s enough to stave off the lack of sex depression.

        Sex for guys might be better with a hot woman, but from the woman’s side, sex is best with a guy who thinks he’s “da man”.

        Keep that in mind the next time a woman wants to cry on your shoulder about being used. A young woman may be able to delude herself that she didn’t see what was coming (pun intended), but when we reach a certain age, we understand ourselves.

        Disclaimer: I am not advocating “bottom feeding”. I’m just saying that women, especially somewhat masculine (which is usually what’s viewed as female ugly) women with higher than normal sex drives, have our predatory side too.

        It’s easy to view someone you feel is less valueable than you as weaker.
        Also, men are used to viewing themselves in the role of predator or exploiter. This is true in some cases of young virgins, but not true once a woman has reached a certain level of life experience.

        I don’t think the handsome guy with an ugly woman doesn’t know he can do better. I think she’s enjoying the sex with someone who thinks he’s better than her, and he’s somehow enjoying the sex with someone he thinks is beneath him. If a guy is very beta and whatever kind of ugly she is, is not a hard fetish/preference, she might be the one woman in his sexual history with whom, when the lights are out, he is masterful with.

        This probably won’t win me any friends here, but I believe that since a good bit of what men perceive as beauty has to do with femininity, vulnerability, and fertility, if a woman has a higher than normal perceived vulnerability, that could override some of the others. An ugly woman has a built in vulnerability factor. Others view her as less valuable. She has to fight and work harder for everything. The guy who may be pretty but not so dominant with others may find his manhood in his reaching down to her.

        Unfortunately, too many women don’t appreciate this gesture. Less “primitive” people are too far from the phase where women understood they needed men for survival. So the somewhat ugly/masculine woman ends up being an emotional cannibal instead of a fierce defender and balancer.

        So I feel sorrier for the guy aiming low than I do for the woman aiming high. Between the two of them, nowadays, it’s the guy not getting the confidence boost he would, under more natural circumstances, get in that exchange. If he were, he might be less indifferent. Even my ex boyfriends during my predatory phase feel something for me because even though there was a storm of misdirected anger going on in my head, my behavior made them think they were the man. I’m sure that I left them better than I found them, especially once I woke up and apologized for my vengefulness at the breakups/graduations.

        The lesson a guy is supposed to learn from shagging below his dreams is that unpolished gold is still the same weight. With over entitlement and women-as-default-victims culture though, they’re just “dicking the dog”.

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  16. And I would add, usually female friends of a girl do not hesitate to express to her their disapproval of any male friend they do not consider good.

    I wonder what his friends are telling him, male and female.

    I mean if he is allowed to have them anymore.

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    • Women often give advice that is deliberately bad, intended to damage the girl in a friendly seeming way. Often the man is question is very good for her, but the girl can’t stand to see her friend get married first or whatever. Women have treachery down to a fine art. Men have to get up early to keep up with women on that score.

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  17. on December 6, 2011 at 6:24 pm MeWantHoneyComb

    If this isn’t the proof of the overinflated value of today’s western women, I don’t know what does. Girls who should be 4’s are treated like 7’s, and guys who are 7’s are treated like they’re 4’s.

    I’m just waiting for when THIS bubble pops. Society’s gonna be a hell of a show once that happens. You thought shit was in the fritz when the housing bubble went down. You ain’t seen nothing yet.

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  18. you mean that handsome dudes don’t hook up with pigwomen just for her super neato personality and other valuable+desirable traits?

    haha

    damn man, I’d rather be ALONE than with a chick that didn’t look good.

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  19. The reddit story about the naked dude being put in a headlock is hilarious.

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  20. Men like that will probably never figure it out with their current wife. It’s always after the divorce, if there is one.

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    • I’d agree. The Dave from Hawaii story and the tales of others who have reversed their role and become the alpha head of the household notwithstanding.

      I’d consider it much more difficult and rare to reverse such a polarity once it’s set, especially if that was the initial polarity the relationship was built on. Far easier to learn to be dominant in a fresh start. And easier still in many fresh starts.

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  21. I’ve also known a handsome man who married an ugly woman, and he married her because he wanted to be taken care of like a man in the traditional sense of yore. He got tierd of dating and screwing the attractive and crazy women. The ugly woman is very submissive to him even more so than the attractive and sane women he was dating and screwing. Sadly for him, it does set him up for people to wonder what is wrong with him be that justified or not. It’s simply the way humans think. However, you are right that it is usually a handsome beta dating and screwing or married to an ugly woman.

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  22. Don’t you think pretty women do more harm to the gene pool – with their choices?

    Also, alot of good looking beta men just choose to be alone, rather than settle for some ugly bitch.

    Not many young women do without – plenty of young men do.

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  23. on December 6, 2011 at 7:13 pm (r)Evoluzione

    Handsome men with uglier women have, as you said, massive betatude, or some other SMV-limiting trait. For example–debilitating shyness, no money, lack of sociosexuality or even libido, closet homosexuality, etc.

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    • Sometimes they’re sadistic too.

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      • Ding ding ding on the sadistic.

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      • sadistic? how so?

        shackling yourself to an unattractive woman sounds more like the opposite…

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      • A woman’s beauty is one measure of her social value. Many sadistic men purposefully choose women of lower social value (be that ugly or of inconvenient lineage) because they feel they have less accountability, and in many cases, they’re easier targets due to female hypergamy.

        The favored house slave was, for some, a good position to be in. There are lots of perks.

        In some cases, it’s not a matter of sadism though. Sometimes a guy has a fetish or simply prefers women who are not competing with him, or who he perceives as a lower infidelity risk. Some guys just don’t want to have every dude everywhere he goes trying to shag his wife or girlfriend.

        In my observation though, the usual reason I’ve encountered is that she looks like his mom. Something about her appearance is associated with positive things, and he may recognize the woman is objectively ugly, but the defects or deviations aren’t important to him.

        Like some guys think even a little fat is the end of the world, where others can find a woman attractive even if she’s very fat.

        I wouldn’t worry about guy’s betatude or orientation unless the woman was dirty and/or overly masculine.

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      • Ugly women will put up with more abuse. If the sadism is more important of an urge than beauty, sadism wins out. Besides, its a reason in their minds to be sadistic in the first place. Fugly lesbians are also into the BDSM scene in huge numbers. I think they act out their anger at being fugly on one another.

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  24. One interesting side effect is the genetic “attractiveness” of offspring. It has been suggested that genes for good looks vary for the genders. The structures that look good on the mother can be hideous on the son and vice versa.

    So two pretty people making babies can make ugly children and two ugly parents can still have beautiful offspring.

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    • See my post below. that’s exactly what happened with this girl. Her father had feminine features and her mother was manly looking.

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  25. I’ve discussed this with gay friends, and they notice it a lot. Sets their gaydar off.

    Just like average men who see ugly man-hot woman pairs feel like “liberating” the woman from her ugly mate, I bet gay men feel the same about handsome man-ugly women couples

    I would add that those gay men attracted to emasculated though handsome men are probably high on that pedophilia stuff.

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  26. This was me once. So many wasted years.

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  27. It’s possible that he can get better looking women (maybe not keep them for long, but get them). I’m guessing she did her own version of girl game. I’m assuming she was very aggressive in the courtship and shamed him into committing with her. He probably believed it was the right thing to do because his mom told him commit with good women not the pretty ones. This is one of those cases where he thought not pretty AKA Blonde with fake tits means she is a good person because she is well educated and has a good job.

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  28. A picture proof of a handsome man with an ugly woman would have been nice.

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  29. The other options RE good looking guy/ ugly woman…effortless pussy….guys are distracted with things other than relationships (hobbies, work, cars, sports), to have a 5/6 who you bang like a screen door in a hurricane and never have to wine and dine is a win-win. Just do not marry or impregnate!
    Other thing, she has dough. I know a few guys with them but fatpigmutt is LOADED, so hey, the picture in his mind while servicing her is his business.

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  30. I have notice this in the military, leave for deployment she thin as a rail, come back from deployment, what the fuck!!!!!!!!!!

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    • It’s all the strange cum she has been guzzling while they’ve been overseas.

      Men generally consider military men ‘alpha’. But this is resounding bullshit. Besides the obvious (earning a pittance while risking death for a deluded state), too many of these men marry a girl because they’re being deployed, send all of their cash home for her to spend as she pleases and end up in a puddle of tears once getting home to find that she has tossed him aside and hooked up with Tom, Dick and Harry.

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  31. “she had her hand on a stroller with an infant tucked away in it”

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    This. It would cost him too much to get out of it.

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  32. And add to the dynamic – younger man, older woman. Here the woman is more likely to be vying for dominance.

    Much older man, younger woman. Here the man is much more likely to be dominant.

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  33. What about a good looking but beta-acting guy with a *hot* girl?

    I know at least one guy who is handsome, and has some seemingly “paper alpha” qualities, but when it comes to women is very beta.

    He is one of the most feminist, white knighting guys I know. He has been been stuck in the friend-zone many times. He has had as far as I know 3 LTRs in his life and little fooling around outside of them.

    However, all three were very attractive. The girl he is with right now is an 8.5 to 9. And these are _quality_ women.

    My theory is that if a man is handsome enough, some women tend to assume that his lack of approaching them is not due to fear and beta-ness but to him actually being too good for them, so his behavior ends up accidentally working as a kind of game. But it only works because he’s hot, and it’s only worked 3 times ever..

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    • My theory is that if a man is handsome enough, some women tend to assume that his lack of approaching them is not due to fear and beta-ness but to him actually being too good for them…

      Yup, so sooooo true, Brother.

      Bitches get intimidated by my looks all the time, and I’m pretty Beta myself (a Greater Beta, however).

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    • How old is the guy? Younger hotties tend to be into the attractive mellow ‘perfect boyfriend/puppy’ types. Only when they get burned out on beta schmuck characteristics do they start screening hard for sexual prowess and career potential. (I needed to up my game dramatically when I got into my mid-20s.)

      Also if he’s got the mentality and reputation that he only dates 9s, women will pick up on that. That’s probably more intimidating than just his looks.

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  34. For a lot of guys, their only problem is a lack of awareness that they could do better. There was a guy training at my camp for the past few weeks, who is solid across the board, SMV-wise. Reasonably good-looking, good social skills, good job – stereotypical Greater Beta.

    He was on vacation with his girlfriend. His behaviour with her was definitely not cringe-worthy. More PDA than I approve of, and he would generally stay close to her when we all went out together, but he did it all with his chin up. Again, Beta/Greater Beta behaviour, not Omega. This guy could easily stumble into sex on his own, or find a decent girl to settle down with.

    But believe me when I say that the girl he brought on vacay was BUSTED. Not just, I would ignore her on the street, or even, I would snicker at her (insert flaw). My eyes were drawn to her like a car crash. She was GROSS.

    And the worst part was, he didn’t seem to notice. He was a happy, proud boyfriend, doling out PDA like candy. I wanted to slap him and tell him to stop throwing away his life dumping fucks into this girl who looked like she’d lost a fight with a cheese grater.

    But, he seemed happy. And maybe that’s the most important reason to approach, to game, to put yourself out there – you might be punching below your weight, and not even realize it.

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  35. A girl I knew in highschool and college had an unattractive mom and a squirrely beta looking father. She was absolutely gorgeous- a 9, with long dark hair, tall, blue eyes, a pretty face and an elegant shapely body. She was an amalgamation of the best traits of her parents. A fluke perhaps, but just more magic from Darwin’s little elves.

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  36. Key variable is the kid. She was hot once,

    [Heartiste: No, no, let me clear this up. She was definitely NOT hot once. She had an ugly face that went down to the bone structure. The fat only made it worse. Yeah, he can’t escape now, but he could have when he met her, and there’s no doubt that she was ugly when they first dated. She wasn’t that old either. I’d guess late 20s or early 30s. She was just an ugly woman, born that way.]

    but with a small kid, she fatted out, became a bitch, and he is trapped. If he dumps her, no access to the kid, pays money to her, etc.

    Being American, she knows it, and got fat, stoppped caring, and treats him like shit.

    Young men, you need to pay attention to this trap called marriage and what it can do to you.

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    • There could be some truth to that – I remember a blonde lass from high school who was a case of “good body, shame about face”. I saw some ten years or so later and it was a case of “her body caught up with her face” . . .

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      • That said, one of my biggest regrets was not doing a girl who had the hottest body around but an ugly face. Temporarily of course.

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  37. Quite a sizable share of men, some good looking, are simply too engrossed in other aspects of their lives to spend much effort trying to get women. Silicon Valley, at least before it became the latest hipsterville, was much like that.

    In that environment, women who have always had to “work harder for it”, likely due to looks, enjoys a disproportionate advantage. By adapting the male role of pursuer, she can snag a potentially higher SMV mate; whose main (in reality only) concern may well be the optimal configuration of transistors on a microchip.

    It wasn’t such a bad deal for either party. He got to play with transistors, and change the world, while fairly effortlessly obtaining the trappings of respectability family life entailed. She had a high household income to spend, as well as a mate that had high status in her new existence as a Valley wife. And the kids go brainy genes and good schools.

    Two things changed this dynamic, both making it harder for the less than endowed women: Increased lionization of geeks as a result of mega IPOs, and asian girls.

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  38. Some years ago, before I was married for the first time (twice married, twice divorced) I was banging this babe. Amazing body. Amazing tits. But a kind of a bucktoothed face. When I first met her, I thought, wow what amazing tits…yeah she’s kinda ugly but she’s friendly and I just have to see those tat tas. Well, not only did I see them, we banged for a few months. She was incredible in bed, highly orgasmic, very flexible (did ballet). Haven’t seen her in decades, but if she is a fat cow, I wouldn’t be surprised. Yeah, she was ugly but she pounded like a pro. So it isn’t always what it seems. Then again, I would never have married her.

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  39. When you meet enough chicks you realize that there’s NO reason to settle for an ugly one (besides accidental preggers lol)…any attribute you think makes up for her physical lack is an attribute that you could find a hot chick with.

    Don’t care if the uggo gives amazing head, doesn’t need to be wined & dined, is submissive to him, makes home cooked meals, takes it in the pooper…

    There are hot girls out there with who’ll do the same shit. They might be harder to get, and they might take a while to find, but the search is pretty fucking fun. If you’re settling for shitty girls, you’re doing yourself a disservice.

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  40. I’d be considered one of those guys who is much better looking than his wife mainly because she has doubled in size since the birth of the children. Attracted to her? Not really – not at all actually. She used to be a solid 8-9 but the security I’ve provided her now makes her too secure in her appearance. Tried to motivate her but she has become one of those self entitled feminists…what to do? Discovered this site and even though I thought I was alpha before I am now def way more alpha from this sites help. I don’t even bother to try and work the dark arts on the wife. She’s a great mom but her body has obviously affected her attitude. So why do I stay? The kids first and foremost and I don’t want to give up anything in a divorce. So I do what I have to do and pull in pussy on the side being completely honest about my marital status with solid 8s and 9s. Most of them are married too but you might be surprised by the amount of single girls in their early 20s who are looking for a daddy and when they try to turn me into a sugar daddy I simply end it – and a few weeks later they are back begging for it.

    the only issue I occasionally run into is when my side dish sees me out with the wife. This can lower my value as noted in the article but I can sometimes turn it around with “she used to be hotter/look like you when she was younger and I’m not to be taken for granted.”

    a small part of me sometimes wishes my wife would regain her old form though. Any advice for reframing the wifes attitude? Although the other part of me -the alpha – still believes that the only thing better than pussy, is new pussy.

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    • Talk openly but obliquely about needing to get some and treat her as a friend only. Be friendly, but don’t show her any affection. Drop hints, don’t come out and admit anything. She already suspects, but is too comfortable to make any moves. If she confronts you, laugh it off, look at her like she’s half crazy for not seeing this much sooner and say “of course I need to get some poon on the side since you’ve reneged on your marriage vows”, but refuse to argue or engage her on the subject beyond that. Let the hamster do its work. Its not like she can stop giving you pussy anymore, she already has. Put the ball in her court and keep it there. Just don’t give her any solid evidence you’re actually executing your nefarious plans.

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    • My wife knows if she ever lets herself go, talks about divorce, whatever that pisses me off enough to leave, I will simply disappear into the night. No arguments or emotions, it will be a complete coup de main. There won’t be anyone around to serve papers to. I’ll be overseas in an undisclosed location screwing LBFMs. I say this with no emotion or bravado, just let her know its a fact that she must deal with. Marriage is like defense policy, the best defense is a good offense. Strike first, strike to kill. Identify a location and buy yourself some property there, so you have somewhere to go. Move enough money there to live well until you can start a bar or whatever to live. Plan this for a few years in advance if need be. Life is too short to be some stupid broad’s wage slave.

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      • Smart man. Havent heard LBFM’s expression in a while. Host’s quote (Some men go through life never knowing the exquisite pleasure of a woman’s appreciative gaze of admiration.) Finally got an iphone. When the wife saw me play angry birds with the daughter, she melted. She freaked out when I said I was going off the map for a couple of days. I meant deer hunting. She thought 2 legged dear hunting. Poor thing.

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    • Actually you may want to check out Athol Kay’s blog, MarriedManSexLife. He is THE authority on married Game.

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  41. Perhaps you are talking about Hugh Jackman and his pig fat wife!

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  42. And maybe that’s the most important reason to approach, to game, to put yourself out there – you might be punching below your weight, and not even realize it.

    A very good point this is.

    Too many guys are so desperate to meet women that they will indeed settle for the first female who gives them the time of day.

    One of the things about “game” or PUA tactics or whatever system one uses is that it opens one up to the options out there. You get broken free of that part of the femiMatrix which gives females the illusion that they hold the power. Even if one never picks up a woman, at least one has seen the realities.

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  43. on December 7, 2011 at 3:04 am Too Smart To Fail

    I know it’s not funny the way most are viewed today in these times, by woman, feminism, and our court system, and i know CH is not trying to be a comedian when 9 out of 10 are unemployed, but I can always count on a chuckle when I read the this blog.

    “He was youngish and good-looking — most women would agree on his physical attractiveness — and his wife was a snout-nosed, inbred-looking, stringy-haired, big fat pig dressed in sweatshirt and ill-fitting jeans. In other words, the typical American woman.”

    The truth, while not always obvious, is hilarious!!

    Back to the commentary..

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  44. on December 7, 2011 at 3:13 am Too Smart To Fail

    Oh, CH, I remember Jaba the Hut with some fairly, attractive, no, HOT damsels surrounding him in Return of the Jedi. I don’t know what you look like, but a post Ihave yet to read through about male attractiveness, well, I’m going to read it, but it doesn’t apply to you in either case, Jedi or Jaba, the force is with you! Carry on!

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  45. on December 7, 2011 at 3:40 am Too Smart To Fail

    [Heartiste: No, no, let me clear this up. She was definitely NOT hot once. She had an ugly face that went down to the ‘bone structure’. The fat only made it worse. Yeah, he can’t escape now, but he could have when he met her, and there’s no doubt that she was ugly when they first dated. She wasn’t that old either. I’d guess late 20s or early 30s. She was just an ugly woman, born that way.]

    Beauty is skin deep, (female rationalization, beta male empathy)

    Ugliness goes to the bone!

    Don’t need a Ph.D to figure this one out!

    Before you get trapped, check out the grand-parents.

    Female looks can be decieving enough to trap unaware beta’s..

    She got’s something up her sleeve..if she’s showing unwarranted interest in you..after 30, and she appears HOT!

    Don’t jepordize your future offspring..with hidden mutations..masked in beauty.
    It is nature’s covert (female operation) means to cover this up..

    Unless..you have more to conceal than she does…

    Onward..

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    • Good meme = Check out the grandma, not just the ma.

      Reproduce only after a woman has proven she won’t lose her looks quickly. Otherwise you’re dooming your daughters to faster aging.

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  46. Just to add another tale to that facebook blues chronic, I just read the status of the fiancee of a college friend:

    “hhhuuummmm, chocolate cake entirely for me”

    And there was an even worse one, the girl who married the wealthiest friend I have, a grandson of the founder of one of the biggest banks in the country.

    day 1: “XXX checked in at Yogofun” (Yogofun>> Ice Cream Shop)
    day 2: “XXX checked in at Yogofun”

    day 10: “XXX checked in at Yogofun” , “XXX became the mayor of Yogofun”

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  47. […] They’re betas, that’s what. Published: December 7, 2011 Leave a Comment Name: Required […]

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  48. SATC Creator Candace Bushnell dumps younger husband after his affair with a younger woman:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2070723/Sex-And-The-City-creator-Candace-Bushnell-files-divorce-Charles-Askegard.html

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    • Charles won’t mind. Candace is 53 now and she has to pay him out. Being dumped by a woman is never a bad thing.

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    • The manosphere needs to do something about the white knighting way Daily Mail readers thumb up comments that condemn younger men for leaving older women, etc and thumb down any comments from more reasonable men.

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  49. Carry around a copy of your relationship game week/Dave from Hawaii post and give it to this poor man!!!! Or slip him a business card with your url, man!!!! Matter of fact, I think we all should do likewise when we see dudes like this.

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  50. I hate ugly man-handsome woman couples, but like handsome man-ugly woman ones. Can smb exlain this?

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    • Oh my. The way this i-banker’s brain works reminds me of someone with Aspergers.

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    • There are cultures in this world right now where people would automatically assume that she was in the wrong, despite his verbose and aspy letter. They’d see that a 33 year old woman probably missed her last chance. One has to assume that Lauren is going to end up with cats.

      But not the anti-male culture of New York’s entitled princess community.

      She had no business being so rude. Karma will catch up with her and probably already has – alphas paying no attention to her anymore.

      How many guys haven’t sent something a lot shorter and to the point but along the same lines?

      At least Lauren didn’t publish the guy’s identity. She could have responded to him at any point to let him down easily. But the man hate is evident in her and in the many commenters.

      A guy who asks for feedback from one woman would not be beta if he was doing so while in bed with someone hotter. The thing that screamed beta the most about the guy was the way he said “we’re both in our thirties so we’d be a great match”.

      Despite the aspy beta nature of the email, I’d say he is correct that she owes him an apology. I’d get up and leave if I was on a date who laughed about not responding to another guy and felt she was in the right about it all.

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  51. Yeah, I one time saw an extreme example of this type thing. (Man was extremely handsome.) I thought “WTF is wrong with this guy”? And I was asking myself that rhetorically.

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  52. on December 7, 2011 at 9:46 am John Norman Howard

    I’m still trying to figure out what’s up with my brother-in-law… he’s an Aryan Adonis with a PhD in electrical engineering and he married a plain Jane who grew into a land whale… and wasn’t all that shapely to begin with before the three kids.

    She’s not an overt shrew but neither is she doting on him… and he doesn’t really seem to be obsequious towards her… leastwise, not to outward appearances.

    Funny thing is, all three kids have his blonde hair and blue eyes, rather than her dark hair and brown eyes… Darwin’s elves, indeed.

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  53. Too many men have abandoned their natural roles as leaders to supplicate pigwomen and the feminist culture. I fear these men like in this story would rather lead lives blind to the truth than suffer the pain of realization.

    Embrace the suck, women will always be more devious and treacherous than we are. Game is our way of re-learning what was always our role as leaders and leveling the field with women not by only banging them, but by seeing their true nature and recognizing those that may be worth keeping versus those that should only be used for banging.

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  54. nice grass grasssss grasss grass grasssss grasss zlzlzllzzllzl

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/herosjourneymythology45surf/6175946861/lightbox/

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  55. This is all too common where I live (western Michigan). I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen ok looking guys with the most horrible, fat, pear-shaped women. I am just thankful that such a fate has not been my own!

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  56. It’s even more depressing to be in a jewelry store and watch trim, buffed guys shopping for diamond rings for their fat, troll women. You want to grab them and say:”Stop!”

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  57. on December 7, 2011 at 10:49 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM)

    HEY HEY HEARTISSTSTE HEATSIST?SEEEEEE!!!

    what does it ean when you see a kinda almost once hot women with two ugly dudes?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2070634/Polyamorous-woman-Jaiya-Ma-baby-lover-living-boyfriend.html

    ‘I’ve got TWO men who love me’: Woman has baby with the lover her boyfriend encouraged her to take (and they were BOTH there at the birth)

    zlzozozoozozozoz

    “Jaiya Ma had been living her boyfriend Jon Hanauer, 49, for six years when he urged her to take a new lover.
    Within weeks, Jaiya, 34, fell for a furniture designer Ian Ferguson, 44, at a dance class, and a year later she fell pregnant with his baby.
    But Jon supported Jaiya, welcomed Ian into his home, and the two men helped deliver baby Eamon during an ‘orgasmic’ labour.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2070634/Polyamorous-woman-Jaiya-Ma-baby-lover-living-boyfriend.html#ixzz1fvKJCoF2

    da bernakification is speeeding mup lzozzlzl looks sloieks zlzlzlzlzl

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  58. on December 7, 2011 at 10:56 am View from inside a hot chick

    Aaaaand, then she got a job on the side:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2070728/LuAyne-Barber-252-pound-pole-dancer-Lulu-takes-competitive-circuit.html

    Please don’t click that link. You have been warned.

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  59. I have a different explanation. I have noticed this but as a trend. In older generations the rule was roughly equal to equal pairing. But when it comes to young men and women the situation is very different. There is a disparity of handsome men/ugly women versus vice versa. Simply, there are much more handsome men/ugly women.
    The reason is that many young women go wild and spend all time chasing alphas/bad boys. But there are many men who do not want to waste their energy in hookups and flings and rather want commitment. And that’s what many not so hot women offer. So they snap those women… and create families… Maybe some time in the future the women divorce them and they (now more confident and estabilished) will go after young girls, who knows.

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  60. on December 7, 2011 at 11:39 am David Rockefeller

    This is why I pay the big bucks to be a platinum member of this site. More of this, please, and less political analysis.

    Brilliant.

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  61. I used to agree that women’s market value could be based largely on looks until I ran into a few HPD/BPD whackjobs. Literally, I would take a non-crazy 5 over a HPD 8-9 because the craziness is simply not worth dealing with, even in the short term.

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    • on December 7, 2011 at 1:25 pm Don't be a beta

      I’ve often found that the crazy tones way down if you have strong alpha tendencies. What some guys consider crazy is relationship-type shit testing. If you can pass/swat those aside with ease, the hot girls fall into line just like all the rest.

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  62. People age differently, and a lot of it is under their control.
    This applies to both men and women, but for the obvious reason
    it is more important for women.

    There are women in their forties who are pretty hot!
    Think Sarah Palin (never mind if you like or dislike her
    politics, I am talking looks).

    And there are women in their sixties (or older) who are
    pleasant to look at, even if they have zero SMV, I would like to
    have lunch with some of them. Think Maggie
    Smith (all the way from “the Pride of Miss Brodie” to “Harry Potter”),
    in her late seventies. I cannot explain exactly, but it starts
    with retaining physical shapeliness and is capped by
    carrying themselves with dignity.

    Thor

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    • I recently saw a woman in her 80s who was clearly a 10 when she was in her teens. The remnants of that status were still there despite the loss of half her teeth. I told her so and she got all reminiscent about how that had been the case. I didn’t have the time to ask if she had single granddaughters who’d have good genes with long telomeres.

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  63. The answer to your wonderment about how so imbalanced a couple might exist was cooing in the stroller next to the pig-woman.

    I have little doubt that the good looking guy, Beta as he might be, was the victim of birth fraud. It is very possible the guy was whale-hunting or slump-busting at the time he impregnated the pig and “did the right thing” by marrying her. Betas think they’re Alpha when they do the right thing in girl-world.

    Good looks are actually a liability for a beta. A good looking guy who’s ignorant of his SMV or been steeped in white knight chivalry is a prime choice meal for a fat cow who could never enjoy a man of such calibre otherwise.

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  64. I know it sounds cruel. But I think a low level sense of dread keeps Women at their happiest. I know it makes no sense to us guys. But maybe it is because it makes them feel that they have reached the peak of the level of alpha they can obtain.

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  65. on December 7, 2011 at 2:28 pm Beta-loving Mama

    Pretending that a woman’s physical attractiveness isn’t an extremely important indicator of her sexual success is indeed foolish. But there’s a contradiction I’ve noticed here that perplexes me. This blog and its commenters routinely excoriate women for being shallow, selfish, and narcissistic, yet hold modelesque looks to be the sole determinant of a woman’s worth (and by extension, a man’s ability to bed such women as the primary indicator of his worth). Isn’t this reinforcing the kind of behavior about which you complain so bitterly?

    I’m not advocating that anyone—male or female—let themselves go, but one’s energy might be much more productively spent in other pursuits (raising children lovingly and purposefully, bettering one’s community,developing one’s talents and interests) than obsessing over the latest wrinkle, spending $$$$ on the latest fashions, and fretting over the pound that put you just above the “ideal” BMI of 20.

    Sure, there may be “10s” out there with the inner beauty of Mother Theresa, but they’d be the extreme outliers. In general, if you hold shallow measures of worth up as the ideal, then shallow and looks-obsessed is what you’ll get.

    Is it possible that some of these handsome men with “ugly” women realize that while sex with super hotties is fun, the vast majority of most people’s days are spent doing other things? And maybe, just maybe, it’s better to find a partner that you connect with on multiple levels?

    Also, I’m not sure where this world in which fat women feel entitled to Super Alphas exists. Almost every woman I’ve ever known—from the average to the gorgeous—has been deeply insecure about her looks and far from the bed-hopping harpies depicted in this blog and others like it.

    I suppose it’s possible that things have changed radically since I was “out there.” I’m 37, happily married, and met my husband when I was 25 and he was 30. I don’t have a stake in this fight, but I do have a stake in the future of civilization, and from what I read here—true as many of these insights are—it’s pretty damn terrifying.

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    • This blog and its commenters routinely excoriate women for being shallow, selfish, and narcissistic, yet hold modelesque looks to be the sole determinant of a woman’s worth

      for anything more serious than a pump and dump, looks are not the sole determinant of a woman’s worth. her femininity, personality, and affability are also important. for marriage, her ability to be a good wife and mother become additional priorities.

      of course, you might know that heartsie & co. have said this many times before if you’d read this blog for more than a few minutes.

      And maybe, just maybe, it’s better to find a partner that you connect with on multiple levels?

      who says the partner that you connect with on multiple levels needs to be a fat ugly warpig?

      Also, I’m not sure where this world in which fat women feel entitled to Super Alphas exists. Almost every woman I’ve ever known

      ah, a prime example of female logic. ‘the world = the people i know, therefore people who behave differently than the people i know are not in the world.’

      strike the third.

      go polish your poor beta husband’s knob instead of trolling pua blogs. i mean, unless he’s into being cybercuckolded.

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      • on December 7, 2011 at 5:42 pm Beta-loving Mama

        I’ve read plenty of this blog—enough to concede that it makes some very valid points and enough to know that, yes, it occasionally nods toward the desirability of additional qualities when selecting a mate. I stand by my observation, however, that this site and its’ adherents seem to regard superior looks as the single most important trait a woman can have (Most married men whose comments I’ve read here are either complaining that their wives have let themselves go, or making damn sure other commenters know how hot their wives have remained.), and this attitude breeds a culture of shallow narcissism.

        I’d be interested in seeing some examples of these “fat, ugly, warpigs.” When this blog’s host can complain that is developing “incipient thunder thighs,” it does make me wonder what kind of standards we’re dealing with.

        I didn’t intend to imply that my ignorance of the “fat women feeling entitled to Super Alphas” trend nullified it; I was simply expressing my surprise. I even allowed that things may have changed substantially since I paid attention to these dynamics.

        Trolling? I don’t think so. I’m a new commenter, yes, but I wasn’t trying to be deliberately provocative. I believe I was respectful, and I was trying to get a thoughtful response to a contradiction I’ve observed here. I happened on this site about a month ago via a link from Instapundit and have been both fascinated and repelled. Its author is a gifted writer and an incisive thinker, and it’s certainly been thought provoking. But it has also made me deeply concerned about the kind of world my boys are inheriting. But, uh, no…if I had the slightest desire to “cybercuckold” my husband, PUA sites would be the last place I’d go!

        And yes, my husband is probably what you would define as a “beta”—loving, generous, moral, committed, openly appreciative, sweet, and introverted—but he’s far from “poor,” by any measure. And don’t worry; his “knob” gets plenty of “polishing.”

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      • And yes, my husband is probably what you would define as a “beta”—loving, generous, moral, committed, openly appreciative, sweet, and introverted—but he’s far from “poor,” by any measure. And don’t worry; his “knob” gets plenty of “polishing.”

        That’s probably why you’re still happily married. Most men are able to accept normal ageing in a woman. American women often let themselves go beyond what is normal or acceptable. Young American women are much fatter than they used to be too. You see large numbers of morbidly obsese young women nowadays. That wasn’ so when you were probably still a girl. Feminism eaches women they are self actualizing when hey become war pigs. A woman,as with a man, who lets herself go is reneging on her marriage vows in the most important way. It might be good enough for companionship, but not for maintaining that loving feeling. Think of it as your husband quitting work to let you start supporting the family and doing your share because he refuses to be a wage slave. Women are just as superficial, they merely have different criteria and their weaknesses are deferred to.

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    • Many men here would be ecstatic to find a 7 who was a good person and LTR material. You have a valid point, and the point you discuss is perhaps over emphasized here out of desire and lack of criticism. Its not fully reflective of the readers’ true state of mind.

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  66. After over 20 years of marriage she is still extremely jealous. My Mother in law was too even into my Father in Laws 60’s. Having a good looking spouse as they age. I think it was the way it was designed. Although damn, you may want to keep an eye open at night. Or walk the straight and narrow. Or preferably both. The wife makes 6 figures, and is a good mother. There are younger hotties out there to be sure. But unless I have a good reason. I still finish the course. I thank the Heartiste for making the marriage better. I discovered this sight last year when recovering from surgery. I thought of myself as beta. But I didn’t realize how low beta could go.

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  67. Too many people here are attributing women with an intelligence that they just don’t have. Most women are not savvy hypergamists out to get an optimum deal. Most women are content with a working appliance earning a secure income. The only reason for the acceptability of the ugly-man/beautiful-woman paradigm is very simple. There is no such thing as an ugly wallet, and it is women that control supply. This predisposes our culture to nobull’s first maxim for he who hesitates… if you hesitate, opportunities will pass you by. Thus an artificial shortage is created whenever a woman is removed from the market to leach off a provider chump, leaving a surplus of men whining why women are choosing degenerates and thugs.

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    • Good point. But gaming them for entertainment makes it better for all parties involved. The Mrs was raised very conservatively and hates a traditional bad boy. But still appreciates an outlaw with brains.

      [Heartiste: Be careful imputing too much credibility to women when they say they “hate” a certain kind of guy. I’ve heard plenty of women over the years say they hate players, or even a specific man who is locally known as a player, who then go on to get that doggy dinner bowl look when that kind of man is in their company.]

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      • Good point CH. But the males she is exposed too know they don’t want to go there. Plus My Lord. Have you seen all the little hotties running around. If the wife left, I would be a manwhore. I stick around for the kids. Plus she is kind of a betty crocker. Best damn chicken fried deer steak I have had.

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      • Plus the mashed potatos and gravy are homemade. That level of cooking gives her an auto +2.

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  68. on December 7, 2011 at 3:06 pm (r)Evoluzione

    Reading these replies with stories embedded, like Frost’s above, causes me to give thanks to the Creator for endowing me with a striking inability to settle, and that even in my most beta-laden days, I always had standards and dated some hot-ass babes, which in some cases led to even more betatude and subsequent loss, but hey, a guy’s gotta start somewhere.

    Those experiences are powerful motivators in many ways.

    Re: intelligent women, that’s damned near a prerequisite for me too. But I’m more flexible on that one.

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    • Good Luck. And I truly mean it. Although the wife can be a pain. I was one of the few lucky ones. She’s cute, and smart and loyal. And maybe being extremely jealous can be a pain. If she is, she probably won’t go out whoreing.

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  69. All guys. For the sake of happiness, game your women. They are mentally hardwired for it. You and the kids will be better off.

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  70. Little hotties are great to flirt with. Although I am an older SOB. I tell them from the beginning I am happily married. I still gather most of the attention. It’s because of frame. I walk in knowing I am higher status. And I am. CH, brilliant website. Maybe I instinctively knew it. But good job articulatingly it.

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  71. on December 7, 2011 at 5:05 pm Rob the troll

    An ugly man with beautiful women: She is not likely to remain faithful.

    [Heartiste: Depends how alpha the ugly man is.]

    Oddly, the most common couple combo I see is handsome man, average woman.

    [Nah, the rarity of HM-UW is greater than UM-BW.]

    STX: ” For the sake of happiness, game your women. They are mentally hardwired for it. You and the kids will be better off.”

    Whats she going to do for U? LTR game is a waste, almost SCi Fi. Just another way to say the onus of the entire relationship is on the man.

    [You sound like one of those “game is enslavement” trolls.]

    Remaining single with short term game is much happier.

    [LTRs are wonderful with the right woman.]

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    • CH has a good point. I wanted kids, and so far they have been wonderful. LTR game is critical to successfuly passing on your genes. If you can find the rare decent female, realize they are still slaves to their nature.

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    • Wanting children, a LTR is the only logical way for them to not grow up FUBAR. I have no interest in seeing another man (or series of men) mess them up, let alone single motherhood (and with the death of my father at 15, I can attest that a single mother IS NOT THE EQUAL of two parents). Does this make my wife no longer a woman? Nope. So picking up points regarding game is the most logical thing in the world. Game is used to deal with womens emotions to illicit positive ones. The same is important, with different nuances, in marriage.

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  72. I once knew a handsome man who married a very plain looking woman, but once you got to know him he had such an ugy personality, and he only married her, so that all the attention is on him and none on her. She also does what she is told and he can do what he wants knowing she will stay home and look after the kids.
    very sad.
    greag article, I enjoyed reading it, made me laugh. 🙂

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  73. OK, Not trying to troll. But the wife of 22+ years, writes the checks (I earn more but have no complaints). Takes great care of the kids. Doesn’t fuck around and is generally pleasant to be with and a bad ass cook. The In laws are pleasant and will gladly pick up the kids when I want to hunt. The little hotties are cute, but at this point, I don’t want the drama. The wife doesnt demand much at all. It’s like an old pair of jeans. Maybe a little worn out. But very comfortable. Good hearted, loyal, stable, and a good Mom to my kids buys my devotion. Its a shame mosts girls don’t figure it out. She also knows at the end of the day I have younger, hotter, tighter options. She is smart enough to realize it. Therefore her selling point is comfort. I dont get true shit tested.

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    • For marriage, if you have to choose between a kind, virtuous feminine 6/10 and a flaky selfish flirtatious 9/10 then pray you’ll have the sense to choose the former.

      Looks are always paramount, but character can influence a woman’s charm

      Regardless of your choice, you’ll have to keep the Game sharp

      [Heartiste: Abdicating on a 9 with a crappy personality for a 6 with a sparkling personality might be a chasm too great to cross. How about choosing a feminine 7 over a bitchy 8 as a more realistic example of how men judge other factors besides looks in women?]

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      • How about choosing a feminine 7 over a bitchy 8 as a more realistic example of how men judge other factors besides looks in women?

        Damn right!

        *What is it with these low self-esteem beta-boyz, rationalizing their poor choices in wymmynz…?

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      • The wife is quite feminine . But she is 43. She buys loyalty by generally not being a bitch. When I married her she was an 8+. And untouched. Only because of the background.

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      • Why should you care that she’s 43?? How far has she dropped from 8+?

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      • She hasn’t, age adjusted. Just suggesting to any girls reading. Be sweet. Don’t be a bitch. Take care of yourself and don’t slut it up. Otherwise you will be discarded. Bad for the offspring.

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    • Girls. This post is to you. I would take a bullet for my wife. If you figure out the secret to keep him happy. He would too. I don’t understand, is it that hard?

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      • Last thought. I’m sure we have all been stupid in our lives. I know I have. But when the wife defends you like a rabid wolverine against anybody. That shows her level of comittment. At this point I don’t care about myself. But I figure she will take care of the kids.

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    • Thanks for the anecdote. I hope my husband and I will be like this as we age. Most men seem to praise their wives when they are pleasant, caring, and maintain themselves as best they can, and give their husbands some space. Really, that should not be too much to ask.

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  74. LTR game I think may be the highest expression of game. Pull it off successfully and when you are dying, you won’t be alone.

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  75. Not that I know I am Dying. But Girls. Be extremely loyal. Attentive. And try to look good. Never be a bitch, or apologize profusely for the 2-3 days a month we will give you the benefit of the doubt. I may sound sexist. But my future son in law and daughter will thank me. The older boys already have.

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  76. I am not sure about the limited utility of male looks concept.

    A man’s race DOES matter a lot to women. A Chinese man, even a handsome one with good Game, will not get the hottest white woman. It is virtually impossible.

    So handsomeness may not be a huge factor in a man’s success, but his race is, and race is part of looks.

    If the Game level is equal, an ugly white man will do better than a handsome Chinese man.

    Thoughts?

    [Heartiste: I see what you’re getting at, but your hypothetical might be a stretch. It depends how ugly the white man is, but I think a handsome Chinese guy will do better given the same level of game.]

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  77. Also, Friends and Family say I cannot deny the children. For better or worse, I have to claim them.

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  78. Get a cute virgin early. Maintaine frame. You will be happer.

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  79. My bad on the spelling. But if you have nailed down a cute 20 yo virgin. Be Thankful. She takes care of stuff. 22 years later, I still appreciate her. Game or not. She probably keeps me from going to the dark side. Easy to do down here. This far South, it’s hard to resist.

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  80. Getting random. But has anyone tracked what is going on in the Middle East? Scary shit.

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    • You a drinker, STX?

      You strike me as a cross between gunslinger and Rum. Not a bad place to be since both of them are pretty much gone.

      I like your posts, but watch the Jack. 😉

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    • We’re stumbling towards a world war, right on schedule.

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      • But what are the best sites to read? Debka seems to be beating the MSM sites by three days on various topics. StrategyPage.com is also not so bad.

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  81. My wife is not good looking. I am. She is my third wife and we have been married for 25 years. I chose her because of her income potential and the fact she gave great bjs. My first two wives were both hot. They both cheated on me and tried to take me for every penny they could get. A good looking woman will be hit on every day. Sooner or later she will give in. I resolved to pick a woman who made at least as much money as I did and who would be less tempted to cheat. So far, I am happy with my choice.

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    • “A good looking woman will be hit on every day. Sooner or later she will give in.”

      You married sluts so of course you think that. Maybe you should have chosen a good looking virgin instead. Just sayin’

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    • Great BJ’s can be a powerful motivator. If a less attractive girl wants to lock down a Man long term. Great blowjobs frequently, will keep him generally from straying. Heard an expression. Keep his belly full and his balls empty. And don’t be a bitch. After a long day at a high stress job, a warm smile and good cooking can help overcome your aging.

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    • Also I agree with your strategy. I am still with the first. But her prudish ways and deep Faith kept her from slutting it up. (although put some booze in her and she is a freak 😉 Have to give credit to Parents. They kept all daughters on a short leash. Actually finally mellowed out. Enjoy their company. But I respect your position. Young hotties at this point aren’t worth it. Turn off the lights , they are all beautiful. As long as they are rabid in looking out for you. A women who does that I still rank high. I own many weapons. But even when we disagree. I don’t regret I made her a better pistol shot than I am.

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    • Great BJs count for a lot.

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    • “If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life/
      Never make a pretty woman your wife…”

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  82. CH. Academically. Would you rather lay little hotties frequently. Or have an older women who would kill for you and takes care of all the small details of life? She’s still hot for her age and gets hit on frequently from older professionals.

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  83. Did anyone mention average man …average woman relationship?

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  84. girls. Take it or leave it. I married a cute virgin over 20 years ago. She a few nights ago awakened me giving a first class bj,. That shit buys loyality. If you want a Man to treat you right.. Stay loyal and sex him up.

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  85. We are suckers for it. Being simple. Give a reason a man wants to hang around.

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  86. I think if girls could see the long term. Maybe all of us would be better off. Not sure they can. The heart weeps. Girls are cute. But are they this bad?

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  87. i still think I take the virgin bride. She may be just as bad. But i don’t have the baggage to deal with.

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  88. Reverse cowgirl knocks it out of the park. Think doggy with her doing the work. Plus great view.

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  89. And I mean it in all due respect. If a women can take care of their Man, he may not roam.

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  90. In all seriousness. The Wife keeps me on the porch. The sons know they have permission to make any boy that disrespects the little sister regret it. Wasn’t it how it was meant to be.

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  91. well, characterizing a lesser-in-looks partner as a ‘pigwoman’ is extreme, a straw woman so to speak. more likely she’s just nothing to write home about, i.e. ordinary in looks.

    [Heartiste: She was quite unattractive, yes, a woman I would call downright ugly. Below average, for sure, and this was the case with or without the extra weight she was carrying.]

    but whatever floats your boat.

    now back to the harsh truth. typically, she has likely made herself indispensible to his beta (face it, most men are beta) life. she is a good helpmeet, and smart enough to be loving and low maintenance. if it’s a reflection of his lack of alpha quality so be it. MOST MEN ARE BETA i.e. it is no disgrace. but she gets his good genes and a gorgeous man to look at/sleep with and her buddies to envy. not a bad deal. for him too.

    i’ve seen this dynamic a lot. my own brother for example-awesome looks, she a slender exercise freak amiable plain jane. (but sadly stupid-my sisters and i call her musclehead)

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  92. On another thread someone mentioned Anita Ekberg being able to cheat on men like crazy when she was young and gorgeous (be hypergamous – why does Microsoft fail to recognize normal words used in the manosphere?).

    Here is a then and now shot of her:

    http://peplums.blogspot.com/2011/08/then-now-anita-ekberg.html

    Here are even sexier photos of when she was younger:

    http://www.strangecelebrities.com/content/item/128064.html

    http://www.acertaincinema.com/browse/person/anita-ekberg/?p1=1&p2=11&p3=1&p4=1

    Try a Google Image search to see bikini shots from her late teens.

    Still want to get married to a a hot movie starlet?

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  93. […] The Handsome Man-Ugly Woman Couple Syndrome (heartiste.wordpress.com) […]

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  94. In most circumstances this phenomenon is a result of gender differences in individual ‘beauty’.

    Basically if a man is traditionally good looking it is usually down to a few simple genetic traits (height, build, strong jaw, nice smile, etc).

    A woman’s attractiveness on the other hand is much more complicated, this is because her beauty is usually often artificially affected by her culture. Basically around the world societies have developed sings to indicate a woman’s beauty, and these are often not dependent on god given gifts. In pre communist China women wrapped their feet and painted their face, in 19th century Europe women wore corsets and framed their faces with elaborate bonnets (etc etc).

    In modern western society this is now in overdrive, as any woman with a reduced figure can dye her hair blonde, cake in make up, and dress and act in a certain way that will probably (for many men) increase her appeal ten fold.

    Now in the case you described, said man probably met said woman in college (etc) where she had the time, and energy to increase her beauty – and he was probably lucky to pull her at the time (so he thought). But post marriage (and baby!), this is no longer the case. Her husband on the other hand, retains his natural ‘beauty’ well into his 30s and 40s, and by all accounts his dignity, and he obviously has an emotional attachment to his wife, and their relationship isn’t based purely on the superficial aspects of his or her appearance (which is obviously a good thing).

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  95. Ok, hosts, here’s a request. Let’s take this dynamic that as a man, you’re going to date a girl whose either a notch above, below, or even stevens with you. How can you use your gf to pivot to another girl, a girl who, in some instances in the same social circle as your gf, or in a situation where said new girl knows you have a gf.

    Can one use an existing gf to upgrade?

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  96. […] on Chateau Heartiste, the Heartiste devoted  a recent post to the conundrum of handsome men coupled with ugly women. It’s essentially an open thread for […]

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  97. you guys on here are horrible. I’m an attractive woman but I get less attention now that I’m older, and no wonder!! seems guys want teenagers with the perfect body these days. I have NEVER been overweight and I look after myself, however, you bastards say men don’t age…COURSE they do especially BRITISH PIGS!! I’m not saying British women aren’t ugly, most of them are. But the men are as bad too they look 30 at 18 and 50 at 30!! receding hairline,s bad attitude, pot belly, gamblers, drinkers, wife abusers, you name it,British men are PIGS! I’m of Northern European heritage so I can say that!! British men are awful! I wouldnt date any of you a$$hole pot bellied ugly gambling pigs if I was desperate!! I’d rather be alone!

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    • Recedng hairline? Compare Englishmen in their 50s with
      Russians of the same age!

      But you are missing the point. Mens’ physical appearance deteriorates
      at roughly the same rate as women’s. The difference is, for the
      purposes of the sexual marketplace, women care much less about
      mens’ appearance than men care about women’s. This might
      be “unfair” but such is life.

      There are pretty obvious evopsych reasons for this, expounded
      often in this blog and elsewhere.

      Thor

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