Values Compatibility And Sexual Attraction

A reader wrote a while back about her thoughts on the importance of shared values to pickup and dating. Here she comments that men of a conservative political persuasion would not find love with liberal women, and would have to focus their dating efforts on meeting similarly conservative women (which she caricatured as belonging to three distinct groups):

So that leaves him with other conservatives. Call it values, attraction, whatever, but I only know of three types: God/family hunters; rich-diamond-buying-guy hunters; and caveman hunters.

I’ve dated a number of conservative women and they were just as cool as their liberal sisters. They weren’t golddiggers (and I speak as a man who brings game to the table that ensures the golddigger programming isn’t triggered), they weren’t abstaining “God hunters” (whatever religious impulses they had did not affect their voracious sexual appetites), and they weren’t the type to routinely date dunderheaded cavemen. They enjoyed the same things that most young women enjoy — indie music, art shows, movies, astrology, gossip, fashion, travel, water balloon fights. These universal female interests cross ideological boundaries.

Granted, none of the conservative women I dated were self-professed evangelicals, so I can’t say for sure that the coolness factor (or my sex life) wouldn’t take a nose dive if I limited my dating choices to that segment of the American population.

Re: hiding your politics and values from girls: People can avoid topics and keep views under wraps for a few weeks, maybe months. Major lifestyle differences, like “I don’t want kids,” or “I go to church every Sunday,” or even “I eat at McDonald’s (or refuse to)” are another story.

You’re doing it wrong if you think dating ideologically dissimilar people is about keeping topics “under wraps”. It’s nothing of the sort. Real sexual attraction and love circumvent that type of defensively dull mechanistic dating jive. It’s irrelevant to men with tight game, because “major lifestyle differences” would hardly ever be summoned, purposely or inadvertently, to move a seduction forward. That is because what builds attraction is not a discussion over national health insurance or the blessings of having kids. Sustained sexual attraction is an ancient instinct that reacts to certain mate value cues, and political conformity is not one of them. If anything, a girl can be *more* attracted to a man who is ideologically different from her, as long as he is passionate about his beliefs without being charmless in explaining them. Girls are often shocked into arousal by the presence of a man willing to speak his mind and refrain from obsequiously parroting her opinions.

Nevertheless, my experience with women shows that politics rarely comes up as a discussion topic during the pickup and the ensuing weeks of heady sexual thrill. If it does come up early on, I know that my game has failed and I have veered away from the bread and butter of what makes a seduction successful. This is true whether I bring it up (I rarely do) or she brings it up (less rare, but still not very common, even when dating urban yentas). If you are gaming a girl properly, the last thing on her mind will be your political affinity. She may briefly broach the subject (in which case I usually offhandedly dismiss it with a casual disclosure of my “independent, libertarian leanings”, a practically inarguable and unopposable political stance which freezes most girls into a nonreactive state. Libertarianism: autistic ideology, fantastic courtship lube), but if she’s smiling and getting horny, she won’t likely linger on any political topic of discussion. Remember, if she likes you and respects your alphaness, she’ll be unmotivated to challenge your political beliefs. A good rule of thumb: if a girl you are dating is giving you grief for your politics, walk away. She will prove to be a high maintenance witch on the warpath to de-ball you at every opportunity.

Now at some point down the road those arid and tingle-killing ideological, religious or political issues will rise to the fore. It is inevitable when you spend so much time with a girl that it becomes impossible to sequester zones of discussion in an unshared limbo. But ultimately it won’t matter if the girl loves the man. She’ll instead be more drawn to his standing firmly for his principles. Which leads us to…

Maxim #61: Among love’s many benefits is its capacity for diminishing to insignificance those differences that would have prevented its flourishing in the first place.

Corollary to Maxim #61: Avoid emphasizing any values differences until love, or a mind-blowing orgasm, has taken root.

Only a major crisis like a disagreement over having kids will present an eventual stumbling block that could be too high to hurdle. Usually those kinds of issues don’t make a nuisance of themselves until months — even years — into the relationship. The types of women who shrilly harp on the importance of “values compatibility” to dating are the same types of women who bring 463 bullet point mental checklists in all dealings they have with potential suitors. This attitude and lack of dating spontaneity makes them very unattractive and unfeminine and most men find it a turnoff. Women older than 28, overeducated women, women who have to fill their schedules with “events” and “classes”, and urban Jewish women tend to exhibit the worst of this behavior.

Having said the above, I will tell you a story about a girl I dumped over a political disagreement. She and I had been together for a good amount of time, but there was an undercurrent of mutual dissatisfaction neither one of us could quite put our fingers on. The sex was good and we did all the “right” things that couples are assumed by polite society to do together. But it felt forced, like we were self-consciously cognizant of our dance moves, and the rhythm and flow that should be the hallmark of a naturally progressing relationship had subordinated itself to carefully mimicking a placemat of numbered foot steps on the ground. On paper, we were good together, but paper is a flimsy palimpsest upon which to etch a living poem.

So it was that, wholly unexpected and random, we rapidly death-spiraled like mating eagles into a heated political discussion once and I chose not the path of diplomacy and conciliation, but the jagged cliffside rocks of immoveable obstinacy. I hurled facts and figures at her, the holy water to the emotionally vampiric female soul. She reacted as a startled vampiress would; shrieks and bared fangs, her pallor drained from her face in shock at my bombshell impudence. “Why is he not kowtowing to me?”, I could practically hear her hamster morse coding to the nether reaches of her brain.

She vainly attempted to parry me, but, as with most women, she was no match. In a fit of pique and sullenness, she snarled “I’m appalled that you think this way”. I said, “Get over yourself” and walked away. One week later, she called to leave me a message. I listened to the message, and never saw or spoke to her again.

The moral of this story should be obvious. The one time a political discussion was ostensibly the objective reason for a breakup was in fact proof that a political disagreement had nothing at all to do with the breakup. Among other things said, the message she left confirmed something both of us had been suspecting for a while:

“I just didn’t feel the magic was there.”

Our political incompatibility was merely a front for our underlying love incompatibility. An excuse to open the lid on a boiling pot of spiteful ennui.

Any escape hatch in a storm…





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  1. “Girls are often shocked into arousal by the presence of a man willing to speak his mind and refrain from obsequiously parroting her opinions.”

    Exactly.

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  2. I’m a conservative. I married a liberal Democrat, though it didn’t much come up until later in the relationship. With a little time, and a few doses of holy water, she saw the light. Now she’s trying to decide if she’d rather Chris Christie or Bobby Jindal be the Republican nominee for president. (Attention all thread derailers who want to discuss Christie and Jindal’s relative merits and the hypocrisy of the Republican party in general, I don’t care. This is just an anecdote regarding relationship convergence and the fact that woman’s attraction to a man envelopes her, even guides her beliefs.)

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  3. Those 463 point bullet checklists can go right in the trash. It might be a very rough outline of the type of man she wants to marry, but it doesn’t tell you anything about who she is attracted to.

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  4. “They enjoyed the same things that most young women enjoy — indie music, art shows, movies, astrology, gossip, fashion, travel, water balloon fights. These universal female interests cross ideological boundaries.”

    That’s either really funny or you need to get away from educated coastal girls.

    “A good rule of thumb: if a girl you are dating is giving you grief for your politics, walk away. She will prove to be a high maintenance witch on the warpath to de-ball you at every opportunity.”

    This has never happened to me, but I’ve seen my friends date these women, and it ain’t pretty.

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  5. If you are gaming a girl properly, the last thing on her mind will be your political affinity. She may briefly broach the subject… but if she’s smiling and getting horny, she won’t likely linger on any political topic of discussion.

    if women cared so much about politics they would spend less time reading People and USWeekly and more time reading The Economist and The Atlantic; some do, but most don’t.

    what women generally care about is what their friends and peers will think of you. if you have the same ideology as her, then politics is something she doesn’t have to worry about. if you have a different worldview and she shit tests you on it, what she really wants to know is how you are going to handle yourself when these issues come up in front of her friends.

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  6. Ulysses

    True, if you have real influence over the lady, worst she’ll do is express mild disagreement over political issues. More often than not, she’ll agree with you.

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  7. “You really think that? Thats so cute. Its a good thing we all know women shouldn’t vote.”

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  8. People, including your interlocutor, routinely mistake what “conservative” means in practice. It’s not like anyone’s reading Russell Kirk. From a macro social perspective, after about 1990 a “conservative” is just someone who is impatient with bullshit pieties and just wants to tell the truth about group differences. So, a liberal is someone who insists on pretending that blacks are no more prone to violent crime than anyone else, while a conservative rejects this charade. A conservative doesn’t want to pretend that the “problems with the schools” is insufficient money, knowing instead that older generations managed to become educated despite a small fraction of the spending. Liberal chicks are “cool” so long as we define political self-delusion and lying as cool. If hard-headed truthtelling is what’s cool, then liberal chicks are dweebs. What I do with liberal-leaning women is ask how many non-racists they (of the parents) know. Let’s say 200. OK, now tell me how many of those people, who you’ve agreed are non-racists, have a black business partner, or a black physician, or a black financial planner? Aha, just as I thought. So (I tell ’em), I’m actually the only non-racist you know, since my urologist is black.

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  9. On paper, we were good together, but paper is a flimsy palimpsest upon which to etch a living poem.

    That’s great.

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  10. “I hurled facts and figures at her, the holy water to the emotionally vampiric female soul. ”

    haha

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  11. If you are gaming a girl properly, the last thing on her mind will be your political affinity. She may briefly broach the subject… but if she’s smiling and getting horny, she won’t likely linger on any political topic of discussion.

    if women cared so much about politics they would spend less time reading People and USWeekly and more time reading The Economist and The Atlantic; some do, but most don’t.

    what women generally care about is what their friends and peers will think of you. if you have the same ideology as her, then politics is something she doesn’t have to worry about. if you have a different worldview and she shit tests you on it, what she really wants to know is how you are going to handle yourself when these issues come up in front of her friends.

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  12. i dont know about you all,
    but i make it a habit
    to never discuss politics

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  13. on August 31, 2010 at 2:38 pm Ari Hinkelberger

    I’m a raging liberal and I can tell you that with the exception of this euro chick I was bending over my kitchen counter on a regular basis…..the best head and the best sex have come from the ultra conservative chicks.

    They are totally nasty.

    The liberal women tend to be to “free” for my liking. Personally, I like chicks who are closet whores or are repressed.

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  14. If she brings up a silly feminist topic like date rape or sexual harassment very likely she is trying to create some sexual tension. Don’t argue too strenuously, because it isn’t that important, but don’t back down either. She’ll probably sleep with you that night.

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  15. True enough on the whole. I wonder about the beta/alphaness of meeting lib girl’s lib friends and choosing to smile politely while Pelosi staffer cheerfully shows pics of him helping pelosi doing stuff.

    An interesting side question: What about those allegedly hot lib chicks walking around with “This is what a Feminist looks like” T-shirts? (or even better, the “we don’t date conservative guys” girls?) Are these behaviors just tribal ostracism, easily shed political fashions, or neon signs that advertise a sad, bitter soul?

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  16. Roissy, if you were pursuing self-professed evangelical women who were devoted to following God (i.e., not the ones attending an evangelical church for the “self-help Jesus” and social aspects), your sex life would dry up into a very small trickle. You probably would not end up dating such women for very long, either, even if they were attracted to you, because you would not be suitable marriage material – and thereby father material. The young woman’s network of family and friends would make sure she knew they disapproved of you, too. At best they would all grin and bear it, hoping the young woman didn’t do anything too disastrous while dating you, but the second cracks started to appear in her attraction for you, they would pounce.

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  17. on August 31, 2010 at 2:44 pm too late for romance

    This has rarely happened to me, but back when I was clueless I would talk politics with chicks and parrot their enlightened “liberal” opinions. At the time they were my own too. I was young, dumb, at a prestigious pacific northwest liberal arts school, clueless, and totally full of shit.

    But once I understood game I just began telling the truth whenever a woman brings up politics. I ignore it usually, but if it comes up again I just tell her that politics is just business and I don’t make money from it so I don’t care.

    And if it goes a little further or she objects I tell her that anyone who gets emotionally or intellectually invested in politics who doesn’t make money off it is a sucker. And I am not going to be a sucker. That’s what living in DC and meeting people in the business has taught me.

    And if sex comes up in relation to politics I just tell her the truth: men and women aren’t equal and never will be because we’ve evolved to be unequal. The examples are legion and anyone reading this blog or others on the topic can quote them at length.

    At first I did this without thinking when I was drunk and the reaction amazed me (she got more into me – and she was a self-described bisexual feminist) so that’s my standard reply.

    I think it comes down to being honest and just not giving a fuck. The key think for me to remember is that there are always, always, always more women. Always. When one goes rotten I can just go back to the tree and pick another. Or watch some football. Or workout. Or whatever.

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  18. on August 31, 2010 at 2:45 pm too late for romance

    think=thing

    and

    wordpress=shit

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  19. I’m pretty far on the Right, and once dated a girl below my SMV. She was a five, with some redeeming physical qualities, and not chubby.

    She was also a serious post-grad academic, with hardcore leftie beliefs. Well, when I was breaking up with her, I started acting really obnoxious… first to make her stop liking me (she was nice and I felt guilty about dumping her) and then it became downright fun.

    So at one point, she is fluffing on about the wonders of vibrant diversity, and I unload, with a devilish grin, the kind of talk that would make Willard Libby and Faat Wumin look like the Frankfurt School. I’m quite surprised my US citizenship was not revoked over this. To my surprise, the more I taunted her with my eeeeevil talk, the more her eyes were lighting up. “Damn, it’s not working,” I thought at the time.

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  20. From the post Relationship Game Thoughts the following statement seems to counter intuitive to be true,

    “If a girl loves you, all problematic matters that would have presented an obstacle to the initial seduction become irrelevant or are actually turned in your favor.”

    How is this true? (don’t mean to hijack the comment thread).

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  21. “If a girl loves you, all problematic matters that would have presented an obstacle to the initial seduction become irrelevant or are actually turned in your favor.”

    How is this true? (don’t mean to hijack the comment thread).

    This is true for the same reason that your cute idiosyncrasies become unbearable once she loses her tingles for you. As for the mechanics of how this happens, it’s apparently related to the bonobos, or something.

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  22. Ulysses–

    I’m a conservative. I married a liberal Democrat, though it didn’t much come up until later in the relationship. With a little time, and a few doses of holy water, she saw the light.

    She might not have been all that dyed in the wool, then. Most of my friends who are very liberal are die-hard and wouldn’t even consider dating someone outside of that mindset.

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  23. An apolitical but conservative leaning buddy of mine married a high-brahmin leftie woman. This can be a strain on occasion.

    They found out that their kid was bullied by two, um, Norwegians in elementary school, and my buddy, upon finding out, let out with an n-bomb (N for “Norwegians.” duh.) His wife was more upset with his saying that, than with the fact that their kid is getting bullied.

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  24. @Laura

    If she brings up a silly feminist topic like date rape or sexual harassment very likely she is trying to create some sexual tension. Don’t argue too strenuously, because it isn’t that important, but don’t back down either. She’ll probably sleep with you that night.

    Just ask her “Does this mean I won’t need the roll of duct-tape with you tonite?”

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  25. Whatever happened to “oppositesd attract”?

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  26. After a woman falls in love with you, her political views and moral beliefs will become more like your own.

    Theres no sense in a pre-dating litmus test for values compatablity. All that does is constrain the future growth of the relationship. Best to be vague about your own personal politics/beliefs. If she insists on talking about hers, playfully kid her.

    Just bang her joyfully, she will come around to your views eventually

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  27. To my surprise, the more I taunted her with my eeeeevil talk, the more her eyes were lighting up. “Damn, it’s not working,” I thought at the time.

    I just figured out why this wasn’t working. I smoked at the time, and no girl, ever, could resist the power of this visual: my leaning back with a satisfied grin and piercing gaze, carelessly open shirt collar, pulling hard on my smoke while languidly philosophising.

    When I quit smoking, I had no choice but to fall back on Game.

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  28. PA

    His wife was more upset with his saying that, than with the fact that their kid is getting bullied.

    Ya, because the female brain will explode if there is talk about group differences. Everyone is a unique individual. Who at the same time is not unique at all, and is deep down exactly the same as everyone else, and deep down is all that matters.

    In other words, for women, both groups and individuals can never possibly be faulted. That would be “judging”. And shame on anyone for judging. Nevermind that judging people for judging is judging.

    It’s not a hamster wheel in women’s heads, it’s a circle jerk of obfuscation.

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  29. Whenever a femme asks me “who are you to judge?”, I calmly assert “I’m me, that’s who”.

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  30. @ Aunt Haley

    “Roissy, if you were pursuing self-professed evangelical women who were devoted to following God (i.e., not the ones attending an evangelical church for the “self-help Jesus” and social aspects), your sex life would dry up into a very small trickle.”

    Yes, yes, of course—and no true Scotsman would blah blah blah blah.

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  31. His wife was more upset with his saying that, than with the fact that their kid is getting bullied.

    I guess these political things are why parents can send their kids to go off and die in wars. Somethings are more important than a parent’s kid to the parent (thanks to all our lib parents for saddling my generation with their insane Obamite debt). This wife apparently was so brainwashed by Norwegian apologia that she’d let her own kids get killed to help them out.

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  32. on August 31, 2010 at 3:24 pm Cannon's Canon

    fuckin Norwegians, always spoiling things

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  33. on August 31, 2010 at 3:33 pm Stud Dynamite

    True as for irrelevant, for gaming I’d rather actually take advantage and start playfully “disagree and amplify” with whatever her opinion is. That’s basics. A free chance to show yourself not submitting to her and giving her a chance to submit to you.
    However, only up to a certain threshold. I.e. I find most flavors of opinionated conservatives, besides perhaps Ron Paul and Buchanan kind, outright dumb, fivefold if it’s a woman (please let’s not discuss *that stuff* here). And it’s a major turn off despite even male 80% looks-based attraction, definitely a deal breaker for anything long-term. Not sure if the chicks work same way but possibly.

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  34. This wife apparently was so brainwashed by Norwegian apologia that she’d let her own kids get killed to help them out.

    With all this talk of Norwegians, Arpagus will emerge from the sea like Kraken any time now.

    Askjoe, that’s a really good point about the wife’s brainwashing. I think in her case, it’s also a disappointment that her husband revealed himself to not be as “high class” as the millieu she was raised in.

    Xsplat, I disagree that women are nonjudgmental about group differences. Ever met a fiercly nationalistic Russian girl? Sure, they are bored by data and numbers, but they have their in-and out-group delineations like we do. And they can feel this more strongly that we do, becasue we reason these things out to some extent, while a woman’s love, and hate, comes straight from the id.

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  35. my husband and i are like the male and female versions of each other. the day we met we bonded over the fact that i was watching “patton” every day on HBO adn had just gone to see “gods and generals” by myself and he’s a ww2/military strategy buff. hes a natural objectivist/libertarian with no formal education–but i think hes the smartest man i ever met and watching his untutored (unCLUTTERED with fashionable ideas) mind come up with philosophy and economics on its own is fascinating every day. he is entj and i am intj, so its like kirk and spock. the only place we differ is hes a little conspiracy bent and im more like “it was already happening and 100 different groups sought to exploit it AFTERWARDS”

    neither one of us can tolerate people with whom we disagree for more than a moment so its a good fuckin thing we found each other

    in the absence of a serious dominance dynamic, i think a relationship like ours could veryyyy easily sink into an exemely comfy brother-sister act–so i guess thats a danger in compatibility

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  36. j r —

    what women generally care about is what their friends and peers will think of you. if you have the same ideology as her, then politics is something she doesn’t have to worry about. if you have a different worldview and she shit tests you on it, what she really wants to know is how you are going to handle yourself when these issues come up in front of her friends.

    This is absolutely true and well said.

    It’s generally easier to portray yourself as an independent with libertarian leanings (which is what I say myself) than a rock solid Republican, to left liberal girls. They’re just programed to go “ewwww, that’s creepy” when the word Republican (or George Bush) comes up, but don’t know what to make of an “independent with libertarian leanings”. You can write your own ticket there.

    Politics especially for girls is really mostly tribal/religious rather than mostly being about practical policies.

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  37. Dana it seems you found your perfect match 🙂

    I think I did too. You’ll enjoy the story of how we first met. We’d all gone out with friends and had met for the first time and my now husband turns and says to me.

    “Peruvian Anthropology major eh? Are you a communist!?.”

    “Hell no!!”

    It was love at first accusation.

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  38. There are definitely deal-breakers in relationships besides the kid question. I agree that abstract political theories are probably rarely deal-breakers, but I’ve found religion to be a pretty big criteria for women (but not men). Men are typically more devout or knowledgable about their religious faith, and women seem more concerned with appearances, maintaining family traditions and the social networking of their particular religious background. Yet men seem to be more willing to go with the woman’s choice, while its a deal breaker for her.

    Another deal-breaker is the career of the woman. See lawyer chicks. They will only rarely be interested in staying at home or going part time. And for many men, including me, this is a dealbreaker.

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  39. If anything, it is liberal guys in the US who have the bigger problem. Women, even liberal ones, expect their man to be more conservative than them.

    I live on Capitol Hill and know many Dems who only date moderates or mild-conservatives. Ive honestly been told be numerous Dem staffers that even though they whole heartedly believe in liberalism, they just find liberal guys to be sissys or effeminate.

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  40. Values compatibility has very little to do with sexual attraction. There is no correlation between the two.

    Sexual attraction is all about chemistry, instincts, energy, feel, etc…..

    Only when one is seeking a LTR would values compatibility come into play. The stability of a LTR comes from added values compatibilities.

    Two individuals can be extremely sexually attracted to each other without ANY values compatibility.

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  41. Also, as another commenter hinted at above, among nutjobs liberals, conservatives can just play the libertarian card.

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  42. Another deal-breaker is the career of the woman. See lawyer chicks. They will only rarely be interested in staying at home or going part time.

    hahaaha. Well, unless you are lucky enough to date a K-street hottie, chances are, most lawyer chicks you’ll meet these days won’t have “careers” or even “homes.”

    It’s tough out there for the 40000+ annual law school grads. knock on wood.

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  43. American women used to be fairly nationalistic. I already told the story of my one great grandmother but the other one had a trip to Europe planned. This would be the only time in her life she would ever leave the country and she ended up breaking her ankle and being unable to go. When she told me about it she waved her hand and said, “No big deal, I didn’t miss much.” Now I love Europe so I don’t really agree, but women do tend to be homebodies.

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  44. What’s with you and attracting Asian bloggers?

    Kidding, it shows that you display intelligence in your posts when AZN girls follow you.

    I’m am very curious about the last message, if she didn’t take you back.. she cussed you out?

    The one time I had a problem was when the girl I was with thought I was Christian… even though I am clearly not.

    I pretended for fun and made joke of Buddhist beliefs… guess her ethnicity! Anyways, I underestimated her since she happened to be an atheist.

    Best response like the age question would be to ask her first and say me too.

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  45. what,
    I disagree, values compatibility is very important, politics is not.

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  46. Talking Politics with most/ practically all women blows!!!

    DC may be different, but most women I know from ALL educational backgrounds don’t know a whole lot about politics, they don’t care to know a whole lot about politics, and they don’t really care too much about anyone’s opinions on politics. Most would much rather talk about anything else, so its def good advice that if your talking about politics you took a bad detour in your game.

    Aside from the occasional Big ticket issue, most girls who talk about politics reek of ultra feminism and of trying to be too much like a man.

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  47. If he makes you tingle….values? what? Tingles and values have NO correlation.

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  48. askjoe, parents do not send kids to go off to die in wars. Here, in the US. You are presumed an adult when you are sent to a war. Your life and decision (unless a conscript) and parents do not have a say.

    Even during the WWII, if teenagers were involved in resistance, it was usually against parents’ directives not to get involved and more importantly–killed.

    (I disregard deranged, inbred “cultures” like Paleostinians)

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  49. On “settling” and the limits of hypergamy:

    Taking the pure definition of hypergamy, ALL women settle. Maybe the term “settle” needs to be more accurately defined because it has a negative connotation, but I have found women to be more pragmatic about coupling up than men (they want the best of their options, but if it comes down to going to the dance alone or taking a low value date, they take the date), and more importantly, when a woman selects her guy and she’s genuinely in to him, she is much less likely to stray than a guy, even for an alpha. I think this is tied to their self-delusion abilities. Once they go all-in on a guy, they are excellent at lying to themselves about attraction towards other men.

    I propose that the term “settling” only refer to a woman or man selecting a LTR or spouse of a clearly lower dating value. I do not think it is settling, or in any way negative, that a 7 woman falls in love with a 7 man, to the extent that she will reject advances by 8s and 9s. And while I recognize that cuckholdry occurs (albeit rarely), and that women are naturally hypergamous social climbers with their sexuality, they do more often than not select pretty equivalent male mates, and they more often than not do not stray.

    BUT…when a woman does settle for a man below her market value, I think they are just as likely to cheat with a higher value male, and more likely to leave the lower value mate for a man more closely matched to her dating market value.

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  50. on August 31, 2010 at 4:05 pm Biting Beaver

    You are a racist cunt.

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  51. This reminds me of an incident years ago which taught me

    1. To be upfront and passionate about your beliefs
    2. To avoid political discussions with girls pre-lay

    Happened before I heard about game. A not hugely successful 18 years old with good social skills, I toured Greece on my own for a few weeks looking for ancient monuments and fresh pussy.

    One night I sat alone at an outdoor Ouzo bar in the old town of Ios reading a book and sipping ouzo. Spotted two Italian hotties on adjacent table and struck up a conversation with them.

    Went very well to begin with, good banter, good vibe.

    A high testosterone natural passed on the street and joined the conversation. Within a few minutes he ordered a drink and the conversation turned to politics. He was a hardline fascist; a long way from the girls’ boring liberalism. He was very vocal about his beliefs

    Being inexperienced with game at 18 I sided with the girls against the shaven-headed maniac (I actually quite liked the guy, but wrongly figured it would be a better strategy to side with the girls).

    Of course this chap, whose politics were far away from the girls’ politics got them excited by his passion and force of character. Their loud objections and squeals of disbelief that he could really mean the things he said belied that they were very attracted to him. He pulled off great contrast game with his eloquent defence of his beliefs seemingly at odds with his mediterranean hooligan appearance.

    I was left alone at the bar as all three left for a private party at the girls’ hotel.

    After this I’ve usually been very up front with my politics with girls. Most of the girls I date these days are liberal, though my longer-lasting affairs have usually been with right-wing girls. Hardline liberals probably wouldn’t be comfortable around my friends.

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  52. Avoid getting bogged down in the quagmire that political discussions with women usually turn into.

    If not handled correctly leads to platitudinous, emotionally unstimulating conversation.

    Turn political discussions with girls personal. Suggest that what she’s saying suggests something about who she is as a person. Turn it into a personality test.

    This makes a dull and rational (to the female brain) discussion engaging on a personal level.

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  53. Aunt Haley–

    Most of my friends who are very liberal are die-hard and wouldn’t even consider dating someone outside of that mindset.

    Few feminine or hot girls are all that die-hard leftist. They tend to be more fashionably liberal types.

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  54. Biting Beaver

    You are a racist cunt.

    You mean you actually don’t think there are significant racial group differences?

    What an airhead. Or posing liar.

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  55. they just find liberal guys to be sissys or effeminate.

    You don’t say…

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  56. Doug1, BB may be confusing a “culture” with a race. Standard libtard shaming fare of shifting the referential frame.
    BB have not registered yet that the race card is really stale these days.

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  57. on August 31, 2010 at 4:22 pm Cannon's Canon

    i am intrigued by this girl’s value system
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bb4_1283184704

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  58. Cannon’s Canon, she does not value excess litter. If she were a Korean, she may take a different tack–instead of drowning them, she would marinate them. 😉

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  59. I hate to keep saying this, but:
    The types of women who shrilly harp on the importance of “values compatibility” to dating are the same types of women who bring 463 bullet point mental checklists in all dealings they have with potential suitors.

    This is absolutely true.

    Current love interest is a hard-core liberal. Not a feminist, per se, but certainly very liberal and internationalist.

    I revel in being as conservative and palaeolithic with her as I can. I make no apologies and don’t engage her except on occasions when it impacts our lives.

    She seems to respect this.

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  60. Throwing an equation between a conservative and religious person is a bunch of crap and intellectually lazy at best. Anyway, when you care about someone you surprise yourself how little certain things matter. I have recently entered hunting circles through the man I have been with and it is like landing on a different planet. The guys are incredible; cool, principled and they really claim their women. I was impressed, still recovering, actually. It made me think about the differences in the Game of Alfa the Urbanite versus the Outdoorsman. Downside: horrible taste in art and music; a deal breaker if that’s what you care about. I used to.

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  61. Gorby, aaahh!
    That xplains it! She seems, sometimes, rub off on you. Don’t yield an inch.

    Just sayin’.

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  62. missing the boat here:

    conservative girls have wildly different expectations than postmodern /jewish/euro chicks.

    conservative girls view marriage and family as something to do before 30.. liberal girls are typically more narcissistic, immature and want to be single. yentas are the prototypical examples of this: reflexively liberal and not into marriage sub 30.

    the implications of this are staggering. A single and gorgeous republican girl at age 25 is a freak nutjob… because she should be married already given her views and her looks. in fact, a famous republican babe (not ann coulter but close) wanted a hookup session with my brother. I looked up her up.. yep, trainwreck love life. she’s a loon.. brilliant, but a loon. if you meet a gorgeous 28 year old republican who is single.. check the medicine cabinet for her meds before you get involved.

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  63. this depends on whether you’re in relationship or single game

    single game politics is easy, just be informed, entertaining, and don’t back down

    relationship game context is harder because a lot else depends on idea compatibility — but even there, are you a man or a dishrag

    too much dirty water has gone under the bridge because men haven’t spoken frankly enough in politics

    timidity doesn’t get you nowhere: it gets you somewhere bad, fast

    speak up. give and take criticism like a man

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  64. margaret, men that grew up in a different (Than North American = USans/Canucks) culture are usually a mixed bag.

    I use my example as an illustration. I can paint a decent oil, or fire some ceramics, or carve a piece of wood into something pleasing. I can enjoy any good music, from classical to jazz to classical rock, though a good folk/country is fine with me too… good music. Though a bit rusty, I am getting back to guitar after 30 years break.

    I can shoot a bear or deer, skin it, dress it … even cook it.
    Plants like me too.

    Though I grew up in a medium sized city, I spent summer breaks at grandparents in the country, so learned all the aspects of rural life. Comes handy and may be invaluable when/if things go Mad Max.

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  65. yoda, there are exceptions. Like a former lib chick I knew that for some reason (the cognitive dissonance was too much clashing with her logical faculties, post college) turned conservative at age 26. It is not something that one encounters often, but it happens. She got married within a year after her finding herself.

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  66. My two cents which counts for less because I’m Canadian, not to mention female, says this post wasn’t written by Roissy.

    I don’t care what political stripe my guy wears. I do care about certain traditional values like monogamy, mind you we won’t even get to ltr discussion if he doesn’t desire it.

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  67. @Sidewinder

    I propose that the term “settling” only refer to a woman or man selecting a LTR or spouse of a clearly lower dating value. I do not think it is settling, or in any way negative, that a 7 woman falls in love with a 7 man, to the extent that she will reject advances by 8s and 9s. And while I recognize that cuckholdry occurs (albeit rarely), and that women are naturally hypergamous social climbers with their sexuality, they do more often than not select pretty equivalent male mates, and they more often than not do not stray.

    Did she really “settle” for a 7, or is she operating off of different criteria of what’s important in a man? What might appear as a 7 to you or me might be a 10 for her.

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  68. morsel i play trad/folk/bluegrass acoustic.

    what i cant believe is how many households their are where the husband and wife’s votes cancel each other out because the hub is conservative and the woman is a lefty…how did ONE marriage survive the female party voting for Prez-0-dent Tarball HNIC because he gave her gina tingles

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  69. After a woman falls in love with you, her political views and moral beliefs will become more like your own.

    Yes. I read one time – can’t recall where – that if you’re a conservative-but-non-religious bloke, the best thing to do, rather than hope-against-hope for a secular, “traditional”-minded gal, is to find someone fairly apolitical and mold her. Good advice to a great extent.

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  70. jr: “if you have a different worldview and she shit tests you on it, what she really wants to know is how you are going to handle yourself when these issues come up in front of her friends.”

    Good point. The home should be a sanctuary, but when outside influences can influence her opinion of you, your home soon begins to look like a shack. Shore up the walls with concise and consistent awareness of the direction you need your home to head in.

    As for the gamers who want to exclude these issues from entering the relationship, superficiality will last only so long. And any investments lost do take their toll.

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  71. I love to tease liberal chicks if they bring up politics (which only happens at certain places in DC, for some reason.)

    E.g. at some dive bar in DC, circa 2005.

    South American cutie: [some negative comment about George Bush]
    Me: [A knowing look] aaah…I get it…you want to be an intern in the next Democratic administration…[makes fellatio gesture with fist and tongue-in-chick]…

    They eat that shit up.

    Make it ridiculous and tease the hell out of them.

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  72. chick=cheek

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  73. Dudly says, “you are ANIMAL, yeah?”

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  74. In England, most women are liberal, or as we call it, socialist . I think this is because being politically correct is notionally about being good-hearted and it is important to women to appear charitable and “kind”. However, as a previous commenter noted, women usually do not know a lot about politics

    As a result, when I started dating my very hot girlfriend (now my wife) I suspected (correctly) that she had some liberal attitudes. The trick for me was not to talk about politics while we were bonding with each other. However once we had a firm relationship I made my strongly individualist views known. I was knowledgeable, clever and implacable. I quickly converted my girlfriend to my point of view. She now shares my viewpoints and even on occasion challenges her more liberal friends. It is also clear that she admires and desires me more because of my individualist politics. I think any man who has any understanding of game can convert a liberal woman.

    There are several other benefits to being open about one’s politics. I am openly politically incorrect with my wife’s friends. Having argued down their liberal politics they know me as different and slightly dangerous and therefore sexy. There is an integrity and mystique about me that they find attractive.

    It also helps that I characterise left-wing men as weak and effeminate. My wife and her friends know this, and now cannot help but see politically correct men in this light. It helps real men in the fight against the socialist betas.

    On a related note, my experience is that the more right-wing a women is, the more style she has, the better she dresses and takes care of herself. In England, there are hordes of left-wing women who wear a kind of debased hippie chic, scruffy, slightly unclean and wholly unattractive. They justify this by saying that it’s a statement against capitalism (and then wonder why they cannot get a man).

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  75. “in the absence of a serious dominance dynamic, i think a relationship like ours could veryyyy easily sink into an exemely comfy brother-sister act–so i guess thats a danger in compatibility”

    It seems to me that kind of relationship is best when it’s an older couple, not planning on kids or a lot of sex. Two NTs reproducing is a recipe for spergy rugrats.

    As another INTJ, nothing beats ENFPs. Nothing. The chemistry is instantaneous. Yin and yang. Just show up and be yourself. Minimal game needed.

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  76. i was just at another blog and followed a link to The Huffington Post. it occurred to me that The Huffington Post is one of those sites visited by women who are into “politics.” if you take a look at the site, you’ll see that it’s basically TMZ doing the news. It’s the same with a site like Gawker or print publications like Vanity Fair, which is basically Vogue doing the news. it’s all an echo chamber meant to validate the expression of opinions which are primarily meant as status signals.

    by the way, none of this is to imply that men are all that much more reasonable when it comes to political views. men tend to make the opposite mistake. we get caught up in the minutia of statistics that don’t mean what we think they mean and often lose the forest for the trees. women are reasonable to the point that they stop being rational while men are rational to the point where we stop being reasonable.

    at the end of the day a certain amount of rational ignorance is the best way to go when it comes to politics. someone else said it already: if you’re not making your living from it and you care deeply about politics, then you’re a schmuck or a useful idiot. politicians stand next to issues in order to get votes. they only thing they consistently stand for is their own political survival.

    i am someone who does make my living in the policy world and every day i am reminded of how much of this is all complete bullshit.

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  77. It’s not that most girls are inherently egalitarian feminist progressives, contra the nationalist Russian girl.

    It’s that they are especially vulnerable to being overtaken by the dominant ideology learned in the University and the Press, and enforced by social ostracism.

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  78. “As a result, when I started dating my very hot girlfriend (now my wife) I suspected (correctly) that she had some liberal attitudes. The trick for me was not to talk about politics while we were bonding with each other. However once we had a firm relationship I made my strongly individualist views known. I was knowledgeable, clever and implacable. I quickly converted my girlfriend to my point of view. She now shares my viewpoints and even on occasion challenges her more liberal friends. It is also clear that she admires and desires me more because of my individualist politics. I think any man who has any understanding of game can convert a liberal woman.”

    women are empty vessels filled with thoughts of the most-influencing person in their lives/ most dominant ideology as dude man says. Penetrate the vessel, drain the stagnant water and then fill it up with your own.
    Too bad this link is dead:
    http://traditionalmarriage.wordpress.com/2010/05/23/women-are-empty-vessels/

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  79. poke a hole should be better reading.

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  80. an echo chamber meant to validate the expression of opinions which are primarily meant as status signals.

    I concur. The signals given to most lib women is that conservative men are basically People of Walmart hicks. It’s not a serious way of viewing the world. I think that some girls think that if they hold a certain Vanity Affair inspired viewpoint, they’ll be living the Sex and the City glam lifestyle.

    But there are some seriously into it chicks out there who know all the spewing lefty points.

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  81. kane, dude and namae,

    there’s a certain amount of confirmation bias in what you’re saying about female tendencies to be leftists. you guys seem to be saying that women are just less shrewd than men; therefore, they fall for whatever paradigm with which they are presented. it’s an interesting story, but i’m not buying it. women tend to be much more socially astute than men, so the idea tha they are being fooled into their progressive beliefs does not seem likely.

    if women tend to be cluster on the left end of the political spectrum, it is probably because there is some benefit in it. and if you stop and think about it, there certainly is. in a society that is sexually and economically liberalizing, it makes sense that women want to be socially and politically free, but at the same time be taken care of economically. conversely, in a society where women gain status through the family unit they are going to favor a system that works in the opposite direction and tend to be more conservative.

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  82. Helloooooo people. Social retards talk about politics and religion with people they don’t know well. This has been known as a classic faux pas for how long? Also, people with extremely dogmatic beliefs in anything are generally not well liked. The thought that one’s ideology is infallible is usually indicative of a lack of critical facility. The inablility to understand that ideas may be simultaneously correct and fallacious shows a shollowness of thought. The world is shades of gray, and postmodernism is bullshit.

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  83. I’m glad the politics-in-relation-to-game subject has come up. Just to help frame my comment a bit, my political opinions are to the Right, that being I consciously eschew SWPL-isms, am a HBD enthusiast, national pride (nuanced views, mind) and personal responsibility. I like my brutal observations.

    In the UK, SWPLs exist in the same proportions as the US but people aren’t quite as tribal as they are in the US with the whole self-identifying as Democrat/Republican thing. People will parrot liberal views but want to sound like they think independently (status-seeking), so they accuse people of views to the Right of getting their opinions from the Daily Mail and employ similar strawmen, all whilst unquestioningly swallowing left-liberal memes, whether or not they read The Guardian. The majority also employ irony/sarcasm, true to the hipster mentality of Generation Y. It makes them harder to make fun of for self-righteousness or overzealousness. Guardian columnist Charlie Brooker, much as I love him, employs this method.

    Personally my politics game (i.e. handling political matters should they arise in a manner conducive or not obstructive to pussy) is not good, or rather it isn’t well honed, in a romantic or platonic sense. It’s never come up in game so I speak about platonic scenarios. I’ll admit to date I’ve been a bit beta, keeping most opinions to myself or if saying anything, only vocalising on the common ground for rapport. If I’ve objected with my honest beliefs, I’ve said something that shocks to the point of being interrupted by how-dare-you’s that take the statement out of context. Sometimes it’s just best to go bluntly and defiantly like Ed Norton does in American History X, but too many social situations render that degree of seriousness inappropriate, not to mention the risk of social ostracism. But at least that method is going for the jugular and striking while the iron is hot rather than awkwardly interjecting something that takes a lot of clarification (and/or those dreaded facts & figures), leaving you wide open to interruptions. Sometimes it’s better to drive the door open with a shocking statement so you can say what you need to when people’s jaws are on the floor. Liberals are such massive vaginas though, rather than ask you to clarify a contentious remark, they will either shut you up or bombard you with fallacies with the effect of the former anyway.

    Like I said before though, SWPLs in the UK are less likely to pipe up with political matters unless it’s in philosophy class or in political societies in university unions. It’s almost an assumption that people are basically liberal so actual discussion is apparently not regarded as necessary – it’s assumed everyone is in agreement from the outset, so a divergent view is regarded not as “you’re one of that tribe” but as an actual aberration, as if someone had the chutzpah to enter a discursive no-go area. Every non-liberal view has to be preceded with pathetic qualifiers like “I’m not a racist, but…” Of course, with the proles it’s different but by definition they’re near opposite of SWPL, neither hanging out with them or caring one iota for their status games but by virtue of their low socio-economic status, having the least political clout, so the PC virus has not naturally spread to them.

    Remember, it’s not just women that have an aversion to boring data and numbers because of the way they’re wired, it’s also that everyday people don’t have time to research statistics or listen to them being reeled off. Because they have so little time, they will listen to a lie but not its refutation. People choose their political affiliations based on pre-rational inclinations. Reason is ancillary at best. In the West, liberalism is the modish view. It is winning so far because it connects with people emotionally. Alternate views must learn that this is how you win people over, not with stone cold logic.

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  84. Women with very strong political views are usually leftists or strict ideologues. The difficulties they have with other people extend far beyond who to choose as a mate.

    Anyone who makes decisions based on these factors is usually on her way to becoming a doctrinaire harridan of frightening proportions. It almost always describes hard-leftists and hard-core feminists.

    That said, the best antidote is hard game. Feminists fall for it hard. They may marry a Beta, but they get wet for alphas who don’t give a shit what they think.

    The man reinforces everything they believe about men: jerks, selfish, anti-female. And yet, in my experience, the feminists are the easiest to fuck and the ones who yearn most expressively for real men. They’re disgusted by this, but if you actually see who they mate, it’s a pattern that gets repeated.

    On the other hand, if they wait until their mid to late 30’s to get married, it’s always some brown-nosing beta. These guys worship the women, because they’re … women. Any woman. That they can have.

    Feminists talk the talk, but rarely walk the walk. The ones who appear to do what they say are usually lesbians or “political lesbians”. There’s no shortage of those.

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  85. Concur, Specimen, thanks for spelling it out real plain and simple. Unfortunately, everyone dorks out on occasion and ruins the moment. In DC, though, there is a kind of thought police undercurrent to some social spheres.

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  86. “it’s an interesting story, but i’m not buying it. women tend to be much more socially astute than men, so the idea tha they are being fooled into their progressive beliefs does not seem likely.”

    heh so much for the thousand years of patriarchy? how many women wanted the vote or to become a career grrrl?

    “if women tend to be cluster on the left end of the political spectrum, it is probably because there is some benefit in it.”

    the biggest benefit is to fuck around with alphas? that this urge has been repressed by women themselves preaching to their daughters makes you wonder if they can see anything.

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  87. I usually date younger girls. When this discussion comes up, I say, “If you’re young and conservative, you don’t have a heart. And if you’re old and liberal, then you don’t have a brain.” It implies that she’s just immature and will grow out of her silly socialist views.

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  88. Any tips on gaming urban Jewesses? You must encounter many of them in DC.

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  89. on August 31, 2010 at 7:36 pm Max from Australia

    Xontrarian

    I spent age 15 to 25 looking like this

    it attracted alot of them

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  90. Xontrarian, avoid politics. Ramp up the Game. Are you courting observant yentas or the secular variety?

    Aoefe, this “who wrote the blog” stuff is getting stale. Neither Advice nor writing styles are significantly different. The site is still gold

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  91. “A good rule of thumb: if a girl you are dating is giving you grief for your politics, walk away. She will prove to be a high maintenance witch on the warpath to de-ball you at every opportunity.”

    Would that I had read this before learning the hard way. Young men, listen to these words of wisdom.

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  92. The reason PA’s pal’s wife was more upset about the Norweigan word than her kid being bullied, is that she found her husband lacking. If he’d been “a True Alpha” it would have been HER kid doing the bullying, and she’d have been proud.

    Agreed that anti-SWPL cultural actions indicating more Bohemian than yuppie beliefs/values is more effective in pulling girls. The trick is to be viewed as both highly educated and maverick independent, which is tricky but can be done with strategic obnoxiousness about stupid fads, etc.

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  93. The reason PA’s pal’s wife was more upset about the Norweigan word than her kid being bullied, is that she found her husband lacking

    Not really. Their kid is a very robust athletic boy and my buddy is alpha. She’s Jewish, and her family is HIGH END. As in everyday professional access to most highly positioned indivuduals in this great republic. Hearing ‘Norwegians” was simply outside the bounds of anything she’d been even remotely used to.

    She was pissed off, as my buddy told me, by his show of low class, by the standards of her social millieu (my buddy is a self-made low-prole origins American guy)

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  94. I’m kinda wondering two things after reading this…

    What is considered “over-educated”? Where should a woman stop educating herself before she becomes unfeminine?

    And would guys prefer a woman who doesn’t fill her time w/ classes and events? Wouldn’t one prefer an active v. non-active girl? Or is there some fine balance…?

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  95. Cap’n Bob: the reason I ask is that Jewesses aren’t the same as shiksas.

    Roissy is exactly the one to note the differences, develop an optimal strategy and explicate it.

    It’s not that I want to game Jewesses – I have a low tolerance for TKB – I just want to see what Roissy has to say.

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  96. on August 31, 2010 at 8:33 pm too late for romance

    Agreed that anti-SWPL cultural actions indicating more Bohemian than yuppie beliefs/values is more effective in pulling girls. The trick is to be viewed as both highly educated and maverick independent, which is tricky but can be done with strategic obnoxiousness about stupid fads, etc.
    ___

    Great observation.

    Depending on the company, I like to intersperse literary or historical quotations or analogies with the filthiest language or imagery I can imagine, or use a cutting latin phrase followed by something totally anti-PC that’s coarse and vulgar.

    Or just make some matter-of-fact racist comment said with a sardonic tone and wry grin about a fad or something topical, especially if there’s a friend of mine of that race at the table and we’re with strangers. My friends know I am full of shit, but I really enjoy shocking people and fucking with their perceptions.

    It’s a deep character flaw that I can’t shake, so I might as well use it to my advantage and look daring. Timing and delivery is everything though, just like with telling a good joke.

    To me it’s about being the guy who knows what’s up but doesn’t care because he thinks it’s all just a big fucking joke. And if he doesn’t know what’s up in a fad sense it’s irrelevant anyways because we’re all dead anyway in the grand scheme of things, so might as well enjoy the ride and mock the pretentious fashion victims. YMMV if you’re religious or whatever.

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  97. whiskey, why would any mother be proud of her kid being a bully?

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  98. Dreamer, a woman can be as educated as she wants to be. It doesn’t matter to men either way. What matters to most American men is whether or not she is the hottest woman he can afford. Elsewhere, generally, character comes into more play, but femininity is still the most important thing, even if it means sacrificing a couple of beauty points.

    Social convenience is also important in highly religious countries, and places with very distinct castes, but there is some wiggle room for the extremely hot.

    So do what you like as far as your education. Just don’t delude yourself that it does more for men than possibly make you a more pleasant conversationalist.

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  99. PA

    Xsplat, I disagree that women are nonjudgmental about group differences.

    Good correction. They obfuscate flaws of those they identify with. “We are the sisterhood, and the sisterhood is good. Even when it’s bad. And if it’s not, then it’s just because of a bad apple, or someone who was temporarily acting bad, but as a group, we are united in being individuals and can’t be maligned. But you can’t treat us as individuals because we act like a group.”

    Women have this characteristic so much that it is a defining characteristic. They use these specialized thinking tools of obfuscation and dissimulation over any area they want to protect. Sure men do that as well, but are not nearly as stubborn and dependent on the skill. They can deny a rock hitting them in the head.

    You can tell how well a person thinks by how clearly they see both their in group and out group differences. The we-are-all-just-the-same-deep-down thinking is more than just naiive and harmless My-Little-Pony dreamland good will. It’s an against the pain of cognitive dissonance. Women are especially well insulated from this pain.

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  100. on August 31, 2010 at 10:55 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””’askjoe
    Another deal-breaker is the career of the woman. See lawyer chicks. They will only rarely be interested in staying at home or going part time.

    hahaaha. Well, unless you are lucky enough to date a K-street hottie, chances are, most lawyer chicks you’ll meet these days won’t have “careers” or even “homes.”

    It’s tough out there for the 40000+ annual law school grads. knock on wood.
    ”””””

    40k for real?

    No fucking wonder lol

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  101. I hurled facts and figures at her, the holy water to the emotionally vampiric female soul.

    Classic.

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  102. As a conservative/libertarian female, all the men I’ve been attracted to recently have also been of a similar political persuasion (and I live in a big blue coastal city). What’s interesting, though, is that I’m usually not aware of that fact up front, but once I find out it makes the man even more attractive to me. In fact, I can’t really imagine being attracted to a liberal man (oxymoron? ha!) at all. I think my only iron-clad husband-requirement is that he NOT be liberal because it would cause way too many arguments and I wouldn’t want my children being raised with those views.

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  103. Dude Man

    It’s not that most girls are inherently egalitarian feminist progressives, contra the nationalist Russian girl.

    It’s that they are especially vulnerable to being overtaken by the dominant ideology learned in the University and the Press, and enforced by social ostracism.

    Nah, it’s the former. Femmes are all commies.

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  104. I’ve recently described my politics as somewhat to the right of Rudyard Kipling, yet I remain mercilessly assailed by urban liberal ding dongs wanting a Lupo peen injection. To a certain extent, it really doesn’t matter what dumb shit they believe in; it’s no different than them believing in astrology or whatever other dumb girl beliefs they have. Then again, the foreigners with the charmingly atavistic nazi-like beliefs; they really got something no urban liberal ding a ling will ever have. Blood and soil brings soul and animalistic sex in my experience.
    One Russian girl I used to work with showed me a picture of a little kid in a KKK uniform saying, “so cuuuute!” It was pretty obvious she was flirting with me in a sort of dorky way, but I was mildly horrified. I mean, it was at work and shit, and, well, I like black people and jews. I wouldn’t be horrified now that I know what kind of nookie that signifies.

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  105. on September 1, 2010 at 12:48 am anonymouses anonymous

    Women make decisions based on feeling and not logic. Due to the nature of liberalism, that it is based more on feel-good-ism than logic, one can expect a woman to lean more liberal than a man, especially an alpha man.

    By assuming she is going to be more liberal, you can treat her well by rather than arguing, by talking about how it appeals to how she feels about it. At the same time, just tell her you understand but are not completely convinced their position is valid.

    A woman is going to be more conservative by appealing to the emotional side of a conservative idea. Ie: abortion…by talking about how beautiful life is, she will become more pro-life.

    But, it will nopt be the immediate conversion that a man will have after evaluating logic.

    So take baby steps. Don’t make her challenge her position. Just listen, explain you are of an open mind, but are not convinced. She will question her belief if she thinks it is not enough to convince you.

    Once she starts questioning her own viewpoint, she will be open to a conservative idea.

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  106. Ulysses,

    I’m a conservative. I married a liberal Democrat, though it didn’t much come up until later in the relationship. With a little time, and a few doses of holy water, she saw the light. Now she’s trying to decide if she’d rather Chris Christie or Bobby Jindal be the Republican nominee for president.

    Heh heh heh, me too! Now she speaks with scathing contempt about her former brainwashed liberal state, and energetically reviles the guys she voted for in 2000 and 2004. I will be curious to see whether or not the fanaticism of the recent convert fades over time.

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  107. on September 1, 2010 at 1:21 am Prophet Jeremiah your Daddy

    but paper is a flimsy palimpsest upon which to etch a living poem.

    Too insubstantial a paper to engrave the poem of living experiences as they happen?

    Jesus Roissy. Only Godzilla —just back from his hometown Japan…

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  108. A betaboy once sneered that “every woman adores a fascist” — and I smirked and said I was glad they did, or it would be a lot harder for me to get laid.

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  109. Doug1–

    Few feminine or hot girls are all that die-hard leftist. They tend to be more fashionably liberal types.

    So what you’re saying is that only ugly, mannish girls have unshakable principles?

    A lot of liberal women would not date a man they knew was conservative because they would find him morally repugnant and representative of all that was wrong in the world. The amount of game necessary to overcome such a mindset would have to be pretty significant.

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  110. In our contemporary zeitgeist of mind-numbing mediocrity, there is no political perspective that can take precedence over an alpha who knows what he wants and knows what he stands for. A woman’s political opinion is entirely irrelevant. In a truely spontaneous and honest relationship, a woman true to her nature wants to be saved from all this wretched dullness, and her asserting her political prejudices will instantly annihilate that which she most desires. You see it every day. Women look at your actions and you can see their poor, confused hamster trying to piece it all together “but he’s this and he’s done that and they say this about him and he’s said that about my friends and he’s so arrogant and he’s not my type, but he’s interesting and I don’t get it, these feeyalings that I have for him.” Exit politics, stage left. Enter lust, stage right. There are two things about a man that gives a woman the tingles. One is respect, and the other is danger (depending of course, on her own morality and whether or not she is a slut). Both are unified under the one rubric – formidable. If a man does not deliver either on respect or on danger, if he is not formidable in any way, she won’t get the tingles. Ever. Anything less is just about being provided for.

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  111. on September 1, 2010 at 3:12 am The Real Vince

    Jesus Christ, it doesn’t matter what your politics are about; like almost anything else, what matters is how you are about your politics.

    Women probably tend to favor more conservative men because such men are disinclined toward self-doubt (see bloviating conservative talk show hosts, or look at any of the above comments where posters reference ‘war stories’ of making others look stupid in comparison). I love how people mistake this effectiveness (or alleged effectiveness) in leading *women* for truth-value.
    Irrational self-confidence can be highly effective in social situations, the domain of women. Basic frame control.

    Moral and political philosophers — generally serious people, overwhelmingly “leftist” — do not appeal to sentiments or emotions — but principles of impartiality. To rise to these ranks takes not only significant brain power, but an intellectual curiosity missing from respondents.

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  112. As for conservative/liberal. I believe women unconsciosly know that all liberalism is but a global shit test. And any woman would prefer a conservative man over a liberal one even if they would say otherwise. Because women are mere parrots and are able to just repeat words and ideas that are used in the society they grew up. But their hearts do not parrot contemporary ideologies. Their hearts resonate a deeper call emitted by God/nature/evolution thousands of years ago.

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  113. @Aunt Haley

    So what you’re saying is that only ugly, mannish girls have unshakable principles?

    I am not sure Doug1 was saying that, but the short version: it’s the truth and nothing but the truth.

    Expanded: These women aren’t principled per se, they just need a solid rationalization element to explain themselves into believing that the lack of mens’ advances is because they are principled. But once an IOI is presented by any man a grade or more above, the principles melt like June snow.

    A lot of liberal women would not date a man they knew was conservative because they would find him morally repugnant and representative of all that was wrong in the world.

    See above. The do love all that was wrong in the world, focused in one male presence. Horrified and wide-yed with excitement.

    The amount of game necessary to overcome such a mindset would have to be pretty significant.

    LOL! One is not overcoming anything. Itsa by-pass!

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  114. Ubermind

    As for conservative/liberal. I believe women unconsciosly know that all liberalism is but a global shit test.

    You misunderstand the nature of the shit test. It isn’t that women want you to pass it. They don’t. They want you to fail it. They genuinely want power over you. It’s to their advantage to have power over you.

    The problem is that once they do, they lose sexual interest.

    But they truly and deeply crave the power.

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  115. Ken Wilber wrote a 200 million page long book called Sex, Ecology, and Spirituality. In it he talks of gender differences extensively. He says that women tend socialist.

    It’s what I’ve seen as well.

    PA pointed out that the person has to be considered as part of your tribe to be included in socialist concerns, but some people have a generously wide embrace.

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  116. Politics = reality tunnel

    Everyone has one and they’re all slightly different. There is no One True Reality Tunnel, they are ALL delusional in some way and useful in some way. Of course, some maps of the territority are more equal than others…

    But my point is, don’t sweat different interpretations of the world because no one has the “right” one anyway. OR logic is soooo 500 BC (ie aristotelian logic).

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  117. It takes all types.

    Being young and inexperienced in the world allows you to harbor ideologies of various sorts. Young people often think that “conservatism” in older people is caused by dementia and envy of the young. Ain’t so.

    As you get older, ideology gets replaced by pragmatism, which some might consider an ideology. Simply put, you begin to understand that outcomes matter and somethings work and somethings don’t. You start to think like an engineer.

    As a Japanese engineer noted: To the amateur, there are many possibilities. To the professional, only a few.

    Sensible people always grow more conservative as they age, since, like some dead Greek opined: Since most human enterprises disappoint their instigators, it is only natural men should become more conservative as they age.

    So, rigid, impractical, and untested strongly held “beliefs” (eg. Global warming catastrophe) are just the sign of an immature mind. Use that insight to your advantage.

    Most of my aging friends get more conservative, but there are exceptions. These exceptionals insulate themselves from the world they are forcing on everybody else with their progressive ideas. You know who you are.

    One of my females friends, who has always been a flaming liberal over the years, recently told me:

    “The problem with us (you and me) is that I am kidding but you think I am serious.”

    I replied: “The problem is that I am serious but you think I am kidding.”

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  118. I usually don’t bring up politics with a girl, but last week I was hosting a german girl coming to France to study french and political science. She’s a progressive and wants to devote her life to helping others, making a difference, fixing problems… which is fine, I respect her passion. But when she started talking about captalism, I couldn’t help myself, I said there is nothing wrong with volontary exchanges in a free market, and that her socialist tendencies are actually pretty selfish and authoritarian as they mean forcing people to fund what *she* believes has value. She looked at me bewildered, she actually said “you know, I was starting to like you” and went away to have a shower. At the time I thought I went overboard and maybe shouldn’t have put my political beliefs before pussy… but now that I think about it she was probably just turned on. She hasn’t talked politics since.

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  119. “Moral and political philosophers — generally serious people, overwhelmingly “leftist” — do not appeal to sentiments or emotions — but principles of impartiality. To rise to these ranks takes not only significant brain power, but an intellectual curiosity missing from respondents.”

    So you’re comparing Karl Marx to Michael Savage?

    Yeah, that’s to be taken seriously.

    Rationalism has a libertarian and a progressive axis. Plenty of serious folks with astronomical IQs are anarchocapitalists.

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  120. Factory owner: You’ve got your socialism in my capitalism!
    Union worker: You’ve got your capitalism in my socialism!

    Government is like a Reese’s Peanut Butter Cup. You need just the right mix of control over the public commons and the motivations of the free market.

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  121. @ xsplat

    I do not understand it the way you think. I understand it so:

    Power is something that both man and woman can desire and may also desire not. Desire for power does not distinguish between man and woman. Individuals have various levels of power desire. It is not gender specific.

    On the other hand sexual interest for man with power who would put her in a submissive position is universal to all women.

    For some women desire of power will be stronger than desire for love, some others will abandon power for love. Most will never decide (because most people, especially women, are not capable of inner self-inspection and are going wherever the wind of random feelings, emotions and social pressures take them) and will look up from a response from the man, as to in which direction to go. So whenever woman’s mood changes she will shit test to see if the man confirms her lust for submission and love or he will confirm her lust for power.

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  122. on September 1, 2010 at 9:19 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””””Granted, none of the conservative women I dated were self-professed evangelicals, so I can’t say for sure that the coolness factor (or my sex life) wouldn’t take a nose dive if I limited my dating choices to that segment of the American population.””””””’

    Same thing as long as you are hard they will be sucking your dick in the game room and all their friends will wish they were her.

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  123. Ubermind, that’s not how I’d put it at all. A woman has no inner conflict about desiring either power or love. She expect she can have both, and strives for both.

    It just so happens that she will remain more attracted if the guy has hand over her. That has nothing to do with any conflicting desires on her part. Her desires are straightforward. To tame a high status man. Simple. The fact that if she succeeds she’ll lose interest is, from the point of view of her intentions, irrelevant.

    Women don’t shit test in order to see if the man can pass. They don’t actually want him to pass. They shit test in order to enslave him. They do actually want to enslave him.

    It’s up to men to realize the rules of the game and play to our own advantage.

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  124. on September 1, 2010 at 10:22 am Anonymouses Anonymous

    @Aunt Haley
    “A lot of liberal women would not date a man they knew was conservative because they would find him morally repugnant and representative of all that was wrong in the world. The amount of game necessary to overcome such a mindset would have to be pretty significant.”

    Keep telling yourself that. A personal experience is, a Peace Corpse (I know, spelling on purpose) Volunteer, absolute liberal, but very hot woman I dated nearly broke off our first date when I said I am a conservative.

    But, as she started her protest, I grabbed her, pulled her to me and lip-mauled her for about a half hour.

    When she came up for air, she wanted more.

    We dated until I got tired of her non-stop talking that was only silenced by putting her mouth to other use.

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  125. Moral and political philosophers — generally serious people, overwhelmingly “leftist” — do not appeal to sentiments or emotions — but principles of impartiality.

    LOL, leftist “philosophy” is overwhelmingly an appeal to sentiment and emotion. And I am not impressed with the “impartiality” of leftists, as they invariably think anyone who disagrees with them is stupid, evil, and corrupt.

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  126. her: i am going to vote for sara palin

    me: lzozoozlozzozlzozzll yah lotsa cocka 4 u 2nite lzozllz

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  127. PA:

    “I just figured out why this wasn’t working. I smoked at the time, and no girl, ever, could resist the power of this visual: my leaning back with a satisfied grin and piercing gaze, carelessly open shirt collar, pulling hard on my smoke while languidly philosophising.

    When I quit smoking, I had no choice but to fall back on Game.”

    There is definitely truth in this :-

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  128. Smoking is really bad for you, but people did used to look cool when they did.

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  129. on September 1, 2010 at 11:55 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””on September 1, 2010 at 11:17 am Tarl
    Moral and political philosophers — generally serious people, overwhelmingly “leftist” — do not appeal to sentiments or emotions — but principles of impartiality.

    LOL, leftist “philosophy” is overwhelmingly an appeal to sentiment and emotion. And I am not impressed with the “impartiality” of leftists, as they invariably think anyone who disagrees with them is stupid, evil, and corrupt.
    ””””””’
    Exactly isn’t it funny.

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  130. on September 1, 2010 at 11:57 am Gunslingergregi

    I love niggers but those god dammed poor whites are really fucking shit up he he he

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  131. on September 1, 2010 at 11:58 am Gunslingergregi

    niggers are smart reknecks are dumb.

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  132. on September 1, 2010 at 11:58 am Gunslingergregi

    redknecks it might be true except I openly admit to not being smart enough to be a redkneck.

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  133. Anonymouses Anonymous–

    Keep telling yourself that. A personal experience is, a Peace Corpse (I know, spelling on purpose) Volunteer, absolute liberal, but very hot woman I dated nearly broke off our first date when I said I am a conservative.

    But, as she started her protest, I grabbed her, pulled her to me and lip-mauled her for about a half hour.

    When she came up for air, she wanted more.

    We dated until I got tired of her non-stop talking that was only silenced by putting her mouth to other use.

    I think you just proved my point.

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  134. I think one of the many reasons Left/Liberal/Progressivism has had its way is because politicians are generally more beta. People in academia and government aren’t “hard enough for the hod”, so they’ve played to their strengths. The Right (simplest definition) believes in small government and tradition, and general survival-of-the-fittest-isms. The Left sees this reality as unfair so they have to manipulate things…from an ivory tower of course, safe from the testosterone-fuelled evolutionary struggle they just can’t cope with.

    @The Real Vince: “Jesus Christ, it doesn’t matter what your politics are about; like almost anything else, what matters is how you are about your politics.”

    Well, I guess that would be the short of it as a timeless rule. Women don’t like a guy who is resentful toward society as it has marginalised him or his ideals. It may smack of self-justification, as is typical of far-left and far-right persons. It’s important not to come across as another Timothy McVeigh or London Nail Bomber. Don’t grumble that The Enemy has it good. Be a comedian: make fun of your adversaries, put them on the defensive and regard them with a detached, derisive condescension. I guess I’ve been doing wrong in this respect. Also I tend to dress pretty militant (a passerby in Sweden muttered under her breath, calling me a Nazi) whereas the logical pro-game thing would be to adopt Roissy’s wolf-in-sheeps-clothing, faux-metro peacocking. Someone who whiffs of being principled right from the outset looks like they have baggage that hinders excitement and spontaneity.

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  135. While values compatibility may not be required for sexual sparks to fly, it is of the upmost importance for marriage because marriage requires respect and if someone is 90 degrees opposite you in values, how can you respect them?

    I’ve had to break up with some seriously hot guys over values.

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  137. “While values compatibility may not be required for sexual sparks to fly, it is of the upmost importance for marriage because marriage requires respect and if someone is 90 degrees opposite you in values, how can you respect them?”

    absolutely, geometry plays such a huge role in sex, how can you respect them if they are 90 degrees opposite to your erect member?

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