Tough Times Are A Bounty For Betas

Think we might be heading into a double dip recession? Or, worse, a decades-long economic retraction with hyperinflation and a general growing business and government incompetence thanks to a dumbing down of the population? Rejoice, betas! This is your moment in the sun. Chicks who were reminded of their mortality were more attracted to soft, less masculine herb faces, and this preference was most pronounced for women at the peak of their fertility cycle. (Regrettably, their desire to have kids also went up, so make sure you strap on that condom if you’re going to bang a chick recently diagnosed with cancer.) PS: Mortality salience refers to reminders of one’s death.

Previous research has shown that individuals who are reminded of their death exhibited a greater desire for offspring than those who were not reminded of their death. The present research investigated whether being reminded of mortality affects mate selection behaviors, such as facial preference judgments. Prior research has shown that women prefer more masculine faces when they are at the high versus low fertility phase of their menstrual cycles. We report an experiment in which women were tested either at their high or fertility phase. They were randomly assigned to either a mortality salience (MS) or control condition and then asked to judge faces ranging from extreme masculine to extreme feminine. The results showed that women’s choice of the attractive male face was determined by an interaction between fertility phase and condition. In control conditions, high fertility phase women preferred a significantly more masculine face than women who were in a lower fertility phase of their menstrual cycles. In MS conditions, high fertility phase women preferred a significantly less masculine (i.e., more average) face than women who were in a low fertility phase. The results indicate that biological processes, such as fertility phase, involved in mate selection are sensitive to current environmental factors, such as death reminders. This sensitivity may serve as an adaptive compromise when choosing a mate in potentially adverse environmental conditions.

In short, women who thought about their own death suddenly found feminized beta providers a lot more attractive than masculine alpha cads. This preference was largest for ovulating women, who normally show the exact opposite preference when times are good and death is a faraway abstraction.

If you are a beta male, then you will hope and pray for another Great Depression, war, or alien invasion. It seems counterintuitive, (after all, wouldn’t a highly masculine man be a better choice for protection during tough times?), but it makes some sense if you remember that alpha cads also bring with them the threat of abandonment, which would be disastrous for women trying to survive in a bad environment. Since the free-for-all, stoically unjealous polyamorists can’t grasp why male abandonment is a bad thing, the Chateau will helpfully remind them —

In tough times, betas will be especially loathe to assume the child-raising duties of another man’s bastard spawn.

Some more study results:

The present results provide new evidence about how environmental factors, such as the presence of death reminders, can influence human reproductive behaviors, such as mate selection. […]

First, it has been shown that people in a MS condition will adhere more strongly to socially acceptable norms and will react negatively towards those persons who do not uphold these norms (Greenberg et al., 1990; Greenberg et al., 1994; Rosenblatt et al., 1989).

Troubled times breed collectivism. Are the notoriously monogamous, norm-following and shame-avoiding Northeast Asians the product of millennia of living off marginal land constantly raided by tribes to the north?

In the present research, the face selected by ovulating women in the [Mortality Salience] condition could be considered a more average face than faces chosen by high fertile phase women in the control condition and low fertile phase women in the MS condition.

Average = herb. Exceptional = lantern jaw and heavy brow ridge. Interestingly, non-ovulating women showed a slightly lower preference for herb faces when they were confronted with their mortality. So alpha cads are not out of the running completely when the shit hits the fan. But you gotta notice just how upside-down bizarro world the mating market looks when the good times come to an end. This might explain the rise of the beta male during the first half of the 20th century, when world wars wracked societies.

High fertile phase women in the MS condition may have viewed the masculine face negatively because of the association of masculine faces with socially negative characteristics and would view feminized faces more positively because feminized faces are shown to be associated with more pro-social attributes such as being helpful, cooperative, trustworthy, and a good father (Boothroyd, et al., 2007; Jones et al., 2008; Johnston, et al., 2001).

Sure, the herb may be a bad lay, but when the cupboard is bare he’ll be out there scrounging up food for his lady. Personally, Chateau hosts prefer being known for their lay expertise. It’s more fun.

Second, it has been shown that following [Mortality Salience], women and men may find the physical aspects of sex and sexual attraction unappealing, as the physicality of sex may be a reminder of one’s eventual mortality (Goldenberg et al. 1999; Landau et al. 2006). In the present research, it may have been the case that high fertile phase women experienced the highly masculine male faces as associated with physical sexuality and, therefore, death.

Sex is the little death (if you’re doing it right).

Following MS, women who are at a high risk of pregnancy may view mates with highly masculine faces as involving more risk than mates with more feminized faces.

Reminders of death and hardship usher an alternative universe where highly fertile ovulating women prefer pasty-faced betaboys. In good times, just the opposite preference is observed. Ergo, late empire prosperity and decadence may go a long way toward explaining the rise in rates of single mom-hood — in good times, these womb-lubed women choose unreliable alpha cads as fathers, subconsciously figuring that if the alphas bolt it won’t much matter since resources (in the form of ample food supplies and government largesse) are plentiful. Chateau Heartiste wrote about this dysgenic trend nearly three years ago.

In future research, it is necessary to investigate the extent to which highly masculine faces increase death-related thoughts in high fertile phase and low fertile phase women.

Our results suggest that mortality salience may result in an over-ride of the high fertility phase-induced preference for masculine faces and a strengthening of the predisposition for less masculine and likely higher investing mates.

The study results show that it makes sense for a betaface to remind girls of their impending demise. Call it Death Game. You casually mention a lady friend who died prematurely from some rare disease or freak accident, and then lament how little time we all have on this earth to pursue our goals and realize our dreams. Say “Life is so precious, and death is always around the corner, so grab what’s in front of you and live like it could all end tomorrow!” while touching the spine of her back with the chill fingertips of your best Grim Reaper impersonation. Throw in a bit of NLP for good measure: “My afterlife is probably… beLOW me. Sex is a great way to fight death… with me, I love each day I’m alive.”

Our sample was composed primarily of White, middle-class college women who have been shown to express a preference for mates who will invest heavily in her and her children.

D’oh! Talk about saying a lot in so little. How do black and asian women respond to mortality reminders? Are their natural tendencies strengthened, or do they enter a bizarro world just like white women?





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  1. Perhaps reason for the influx of beta male marriage within church organizations with their constant rapture/live-for-death sermons?

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  2. what is citizen renegade? roissy in dc had one author and a clear purpose. citizen renegade seems to be a collection of musings about game from unknown writers.

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  3. Society and civilizations collapse, humanity chugs right along. We are all puppets of our master: biology.

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  4. It would be cool if each of these ‘Chateau authors’ would sign their work so we could get to know their style and not play guess work on how to read the post.

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  5. I’ve had a theory for a long time that sex and death are linked, in other words that consciousness of one’s own mortality is an aphrodisiac.

    For example during WW1 and 2 a lot of quite respectable girls in Britain acted completely out of character. This used to be explained as compassion for soldiers going off to risk their lives but I think there was more than compassion involved.

    However I don’t agree with the particular direction you say the sexual interest takes – I don’t necessarily think the preference is for betas because of their beta qualities, I just think that the threshold level of attraction normally required drops so that women who would previously have abstained, or only gone for alphas, will take whoever is available and not hold out for something better to the same extent as they would otherwise have done.

    It’s not like alphas don’t still clean up in a war zone for instance.

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  6. They’re not called Baby Boomers for nothing.

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  7. That is a pretty pathetic analysis of the article. For one thing, virtually none of the findings are statistically significant, or even close.

    Just as an example of how off this analysis is, women prefer dominant male faces *more* when they are ovulating and reminded of their mortality, and *less* when they are ovulating but not reminded of their mortality. (8th page) This cuts directly against everything this article says. And again, pretty much none of the findings are statistically significant.

    This isn’t a case of overstating the results of weak science; it’s a case of either deliberately or recklessly misrepresenting the results of weak science.

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  8. also hemlines rise with the stock market. With Obama doing his best FDR-like efforts to recreate a super depression, expect to see burqas out there soon. Oh, also because of hyper-aggressive islamic crusading.

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  9. In my observation, reminders of mortality just make women more likely to behave impulsively and get pregnant. If it makes them like stable guys more, I couldn’t tell by any behavior I’ve seen.

    After wars here, a lot of single moms pop up and a lot of abortions happen. There are a lot of weddings too though, so you might be right. Maybe it’s not the majority of women who react with a preference for stable guys in a real life situation, but there may be more than usual.

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  10. In tough times, betas will be especially loathe to assume the child-raising duties of another man’s bastard spawn.

    Enter the Mega-Alpha-Diva anointed by E!

    Millions of Madonna-wannabes and Jolie-Bullock-Kennedys adopting the castoff dregs of Africa.

    Alpha Bitch trumps Beta male every time

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  11. How would this play out among black women? BTSOOM! But we need to cut out the “weffare” spigot tht is draining our country and supporting-in grand style—stand around your local electronics store and see who is buying the HDTVs!—sooooo many welfare niggers!

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  12. on September 9, 2010 at 2:25 pm Gunslingergregi`

    ”””””Firepower
    In tough times, betas will be especially loathe to assume the child-raising duties of another man’s bastard spawn.

    Enter the Mega-Alpha-Diva anointed by E!

    Millions of Madonna-wannabes and Jolie-Bullock-Kennedys adopting the castoff dregs of Africa.

    Alpha Bitch trumps Beta male every time

    ”””””’

    My relatives were still one of the first to adopt their very own little african baby 35 years ago.
    Madonna is so passe.

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  13. on September 9, 2010 at 2:25 pm anonymouses anonymous

    @trailtyme
    -the reason more beta-ish behavior in devout male Christians still gets one some very fine women is that devout Christianity is a form of alphaness.

    As to our distinguished host’s premise as to why women go more beta in harsh times, it is because the alphas tend to be strewn on the battlefield. In times of famine, alphas cannot support as productive a lifestyle and this means fewer options.

    A tenet of womanhood is that women are as loyal as their options. Fewer options=more loyalty to lesser men.

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  14. on September 9, 2010 at 2:27 pm Gunslingergregi`

    ”””’john
    How would this play out among black women? BTSOOM! But we need to cut out the “weffare” spigot tht is draining our country and supporting-in grand style—stand around your local electronics store and see who is buying the HDTVs!—sooooo many welfare niggers!
    ””’
    Well with their kids they have a 7k to 9k check to blow.

    December is definetly time to hit on welfare ho’s because then you can get nice presents.

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  15. The scary thing is is that R’s right about the coming greater depression. America didn’t recover from FDR until JFK came along. sigh. oh well, so now being alpha is going to suck?

    http://biggovernment.com/dmitchell/2010/09/08/a-debate-between-john-f-kennedy-and-barack-obama/

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  16. on September 9, 2010 at 2:30 pm Gunslingergregi`

    Well yea when woman faced with death they become rather horny.

    Hell even I want to impregnate everything that walks at this point.

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  17. on September 9, 2010 at 2:37 pm Cannon's Canon

    unfortunately, i have already given myself an asymmetrical facial scar to maximize my alpha cred

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  18. Does beta provider necessarily equal a man who can protect her well, ie; kill better.

    Wouldn’t these be sought after in tougher times? I would have thought an alpha cad had fitted that stereotype better, a beta in my mind looks like a frail nerd.

    Mustn’t be necessarily so.

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  19. GREAT POST AND ANALYSIS– but it reaches the wrong conclusion, because it misses the forest for the trees.

    the post ignores the degree to which beta males can and have gained power over the last 50 years of hyper-civilized paper-shuffling. It therefore ignores the degree to which traditional morality is reinstated after an economic collapse (there would be a blow-off top in the whorishness chart (think Weimar), then a return at some point to RELATIVE piety after the depression sets in and becomes the new normal). When a currency collapses, 90% of people lose all their wealth. Think return to law of the jungle. So sure, the need for a reliable man will be a consideration for whores when the depression hits, but the betas will also be too busy sucking off dogs for quarters to capitalize on that need, having been caught off guard financially because they thought for years that civilization had finally confirmed them as worthy of success (after 10,000 years of denying it).

    in short, the trend OVERALL would be: construction worker- types rejoice… beta males return to tongue-fucking canine bums for the construction workers. law of the jungle– net loss for betas, especially when you factor in the current whorishness bubble bursting.

    THIS SITE IS VERY COMMENDABLE GENERALLY SPEAKING.

    I FIND THIS PROBLEM, HOWEVER- THE SITE IS RUN BY A MAN WHO IN HIS DEPTHS KNOWS THAT HE IS BEST SUITED AS AN INSTRUMENT OF THE WILL OF STILL HIGHER MEN.
    HE WOULD “COME INTO HIS OWN” UNDER CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE HE IS SERVING ANOTHER MAN’S (OR OTHER MEN’S) GOALS. LET’S CALL THE LATTER SUCH MAN/MEN ALEF/ALEFS. AND I MEAN “SERVING” IN THE MOST RESPECTABLE SENSE.

    SO, THE PROPRIETOR OF THIS SITE– THIS ALPHA– SPEAKS A LOT ABOUT THE WAY OF THE ALPHA AND THE WAY OF THE BETA (TO USE HIS LANGUAGE), AND THAT IS ALL GOOD AND COMMENDABLE. WHAT HES NOT SAYING THOUGH IS THAT HE IS categorically SUITED FOR SERVICE OF ANOTHER’S WILL, AS HIS HIGHEST GOOD, AS THE PINNACLE OF WHAT HE CAN ACHIEVE IN AN IDEAL WORLD.

    OF COURSE WE ARE NOT IN THAT IDEAL WORLD, AND HE DOES NOT FIND WILLS TO BE THE EXCELLENT INSTRUMENT OF. SO HE DOES WHAT HE CAN, AND IS OTHERWISE ESSENTIALLY A VIOLIN LYING IDLE, IF YOU WILL. ROISSY IS ONE WHO IS WAITING AND LYING IDLE. AND IN THE MEANTIME, WHEN THE WIND BLOWS HARD ENOUGH, YOU HEAR A LOW HUM THROUGH THIS PAGE, AND GET A SENSE OF THE MUSICIAN THAT HE AND THE BETTER AMONG HIS ALPHAS WAIT FOR.

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  20. Alphas are risk prone, even in tough times. They can easily get into violent altercations and get killed.

    In progressive societies men who are family/relationship oriented are actually preferred because they provide more resources. Cads are useless because they don’t provide any real support.

    Even in the coming depression faithful men will be more useful, because alphas are just too flaky and unstable.
    Only those alphas that will be successful in a more competitive business world and who will share their resources will be attractive.

    And women will still be somewhat protected as most women work and support themselves (and some of them will now have to support their jobless husbands). People will just stick together more and women will find it easier as they are innately more relationship oriented.

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  21. Wasn’t it Whiskey who said women would rather live in poverty with Alphas than luxury with Betas?

    What I see happening is women snagging Beta providers earlier, but also getting impregnated by their Alpha lover early as well. It will be the same deal. Geeks and Nerds workinb in tech support raising the progeny of bartenders and up and coming actors and musicians.

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  22. correction of the post above… it should read:

    “[the post] therefore ignores the degree to which betas would themselves face disproportionally huge downsides when the bubble economy collapses”…

    the collapse of the current economy is collapse of a Beta Power Bubble … however downtrodden they may already be… the previous 10,000 years before the 20th century were even more unforgiving for betas than the 20th century was…

    lemme repeat though, i appreciate the effort that went into this post… it made me think etc

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  23. “Chicks who were reminded of their mortality were more attracted to soft, less masculine herb faces, and this preference was most pronounced for women at the peak of their fertility cycle.”

    ————-

    Bull. Shit. Those Mexican beauty queens hanging on the arms of drug gangsters see violence and death on a regular basis. But that doesn’t make them shack up with non-violent straight living Pedro who runs the taco stand.

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/12/31/chicks-dig-jerks-a-series/

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  24. Also, they don’t call this a Mancession for nothing.

    It will be MEN who’ll be hit the hardest. We’ve already seen women’s salaries out-pacing that of males, higher rates of college placement, more government support etc.

    I’d advise Betas not to hold their breath waiting for hot 9s and 10s to come running to them seeking safety and security. More likely, you’ll be the ones in need of safety and security, but with no one to turn to.

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  25. The age of the cougars?

    [Ed: No.]

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  26. Skadi put the crack pipe down now—thanks in advance, honey.

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  27. Lawd in heaven, what shall we do with you gentlemen? I say that alot on VD. Well, we have a problem and its called affirmative action or affirmative racism. that has truly ruined some betas, herbs and what not. As for raising children with betas, shoot me now. I love men and I love kids but I am remaining childless and cockless for a purpose. The avoidance of STD’s, the refusal of single motherhood and the real men are no where to be found (plus my faith requires such and such) The real ones men live in post America. They are all in short supply in America. Beta land is a free 4 all.

    It pains me to say this is post America. But it is. Look at the data. sure it can interpreted in some different ways, but it still points to the same couple conclusions. therefore our dear writer has valid points. This is a mancession and its a economic DEPRESSION.

    We are in for hard times and I am not being cute nor mongering about with fear. Zero hedge, calculated risk, vox day, shedlock, the gang at lew rockwell think (mises), marketticker – I could go on and on listing real economists. they all know the SHTF. meanwhile, all the morons air diversions for the dumber and dumbest people to “spectate” for. as usual no one is running the country.

    We are screwed.

    Taking my woman of faith hat off…the death game is excellent bait. It works, hand it to a someone like me with faith. combined with negative economic news and we’d just freak and require a massage to remain calm. See, it works. aww, we worry too much, look, just ignore everything, have a drink and everything shall be fine. Sorry gang, it ain’t the 1990’s, we are FUBAR.

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  28. Yeah most women would rather live in poverty with intermittent Alpha attention than a lifetime of comfort with a Beta. Mancession, and the like, make that a non-starter anyway.

    I agree with Roissy on the larger effects of wars/depression, but that is because society curtails female choice and hypergamy. Women are not allowed to chase Alphas and their own tingles down there, because those who would support them: mothers, cousins, the government, step in to min the drain on their resources, which are suddenly severely limited. Call it drought/famine morality.

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  29. This NLP stuff – is there anything in it? My first impression is that it sounds like the biggest load of crap, the beLOW me line – that’s got to be a joke – but I’ve seen it mentioned in all seriousness elsewhere. It just seems crazy.

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  30. “How do black and asian women respond to mortality reminders? Are their natural tendencies strengthened, or do they enter a bizarro world just like white women?”

    can there be a correlation with the fat reserves?

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  31. @John
    THE SITE IS RUN BY A MAN WHO IN HIS DEPTHS KNOWS THAT HE IS BEST SUITED AS AN INSTRUMENT OF THE WILL OF STILL HIGHER MEN….

    WHERE HE IS SERVING ANOTHER MAN’S (OR OTHER MEN’S) GOALS. LET’S CALL THE LATTER SUCH MAN/MEN ALEF/ALEFS. AND I MEAN “SERVING” IN THE MOST RESPECTABLE SENSE….

    OF COURSE WE ARE NOT IN THAT IDEAL WORLD, AND HE DOES NOT FIND WILLS TO BE THE EXCELLENT INSTRUMENT OF. SO HE DOES WHAT HE CAN, AND IS OTHERWISE ESSENTIALLY A VIOLIN LYING IDLE, IF YOU WILL. ROISSY IS ONE WHO IS WAITING AND LYING IDLE. AND IN THE MEANTIME, WHEN THE WIND BLOWS HARD ENOUGH, YOU HEAR A LOW HUM THROUGH THIS PAGE, AND GET A SENSE OF THE MUSICIAN THAT HE AND THE BETTER AMONG HIS ALPHAS WAIT FOR.

    the difficulty
    with all this
    is
    Satan
    was a beta.

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  32. The age of the cougars?

    [Ed: No.]

    Some men will find refuge in the saggy arms of a sugar mama. It is a MAN cession.

    Of course, they will most be pulling an “ashton” no?

    http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/09/01/ashton-kutcher-cheating-demi-moore-star/

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  33. @John
    THE SITE IS RUN BY A MAN WHO IN HIS DEPTHS KNOWS THAT HE IS BEST SUITED AS AN INSTRUMENT OF THE WILL OF STILL HIGHER MEN….

    WHERE HE IS SERVING ANOTHER MAN’S (OR OTHER MEN’S) GOALS. LET’S CALL THE LATTER SUCH MAN/MEN ALEF/ALEFS. AND I MEAN “SERVING” IN THE MOST RESPECTABLE SENSE….

    OF COURSE WE ARE NOT IN THAT IDEAL WORLD, AND HE DOES NOT FIND WILLS TO BE THE EXCELLENT INSTRUMENT OF. SO HE DOES WHAT HE CAN, AND IS OTHERWISE ESSENTIALLY A VIOLIN LYING IDLE, IF YOU WILL. R IS ONE WHO IS WAITING AND LYING IDLE. AND IN THE MEANTIME, WHEN THE WIND BLOWS HARD ENOUGH, YOU HEAR A LOW HUM THROUGH THIS PAGE, AND GET A SENSE OF THE MUSICIAN THAT HE AND THE BETTER AMONG HIS ALPHAS WAIT FOR.

    the difficulty
    with all this
    is
    that
    Satan
    was a beta.

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  34. sorry about the duplication.

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  35. It is not a double dip recession. It is one long recession sliding into depression.

    Tax revenues have been dropping continuously, even during the imagined short lived recovery. That’s where the rubber hits he road. Tax revenues rely on bank deposits, not on ephemeral calculations.

    The government has been lying to us, or relying on the faulty calculations of GNP regularly pumped out by overpaid government hacks.

    Today the government had trouble selling off a small batch of bonds. When it gets so bad, the Fed has to buy them, that’s when the bottom falls out. We have seen nothing yet.

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  36. Yea, listen to what guys like Peter Schiff is saying, I think he’s right. I wonder how low the economy will slide.

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  37. One of the most profound songs ever written was by the Beach Boys. It was The T-Bird Song.

    When this depression hit suddenly two years ago, I was let go from an extremely well paying position along with a dozens of other managers in a multinational. It meant no more 5 star hotel stays in London and Paris. It meant the end of my weekend trips to the Italian Riviera.

    But I was overjoyed at the prospect of a massive world-wide financial crisis.

    Why?

    Because West European 8s, 9s and 10s plus Russian 10s seemed to have gotten exaggerated entitlement complexes before mid-2008. No man was good enough for them and they were going it alone in their late teens and early twenties.

    It didn’t matter to them how much money I made. I had been constantly sputtering how mentally sick it was that modern feminist women were seriously not interested in the idea that any given man had a 5 star hotel expense account.

    And this isn’t really about Alpha and Beta either. Irrational entitlement complexes damage all men while the most nubile women go completely without men – prosperous young women have a habit of walllowing in their narcissism until the lines on their face get to plentiful.

    When the crisis hit in the Summer of 2008, the first thing I thought of was “I’ll have fun, fun, fun now that Daddy took the T-Bird Away.” And I was right.

    I’ve had more lov’n in the past 2 years than my entire adult life beforehand.

    While Roissy’s blog accelerated my success in the past year, it was the crisis and its Entitlement Deflation Aspect that has been my Godsend (of course, moving to Eastern Europe from Western Europe was the biggest factor).

    I was just thinking this morning how Roissy should do a post on how important it is that the best looking young women be kept by society in poverty. It is better for them and everyone else that way. In poverty, they struggle to find the right man early on. If you give them student loans and lots of daddy’s money, they waste their fertile period and don’t gain any sense until after they are no longer anywhere near peak attractiveness.

    When Daddy is thrown out of work, Little Princess develops a better personality. The Beach Boys knew what they were talking about.

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  38. @dream puppy – dont fall for the cougar marketing hype… its all marketing hype from gay men to betas… roissy must talk about it somewhere..

    i just had some food and i thought about this blog post again. the main point of it , i guess, is that women will make a RELATIVE return to risk aversion at some point in the coming depression, and therefore are more likely to get caught up in LTRs with any humans, or primates even, who seem particularly adept at food-gathering, etc.

    its a bit of a no-brainer really. Whats more interesting in a way is that we WILL see a blow-off top in whorish behavior, before OR (in the style of today’s gals) CONTEMPORANEOUS WITH a trend towards 19th century-style beta-loving. Women will just have to juggle more balls basically. Remember– OLD HABITS DIE HARD. Don’t underestimate how difficult it will be for ladies with a rose and the words “Evil Cunt” tattooed in script on their inner thighs, to settle down 7 days a week with a beta AND ALSO not take shots of Jager out of an alpha’s buddy’s ass once in a while because it “seemed interesting” — even with death staring them in the face. like i said, old habits die hard. And you dont reverse the momentum of decades overnight…. expect a VERY mixed bag of behavior from women– covering the whole range of trends that will be in confluence now

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  39. i was just thinking how roissy should do a post.

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  40. @sdaedalus– not sure what your point is, but based on the themes ive seen in this site, i figure Satan would rank as the greatest Alpha mankind has yet conceived of….. so great that he has existed only in the imaginations of a few lone prophets/scribblers…. no?

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  41. These pop culture junk science publications never end.

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  42. oh god…another non-Roissy post.

    I wish these other authors would sign their posts so I’d know which ones to skip over.

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  43. You are talking as if it is only young women or women in general that will suffer from the depression. 🙂 Btw, I wouldn’t bet on that cougar money. I doubt American women would be that willing to financially support a man. Especially if he’s likely to cheat. Not that many women are ready to keep a man, esp. in America.

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  44. @john.

    Indeed copy&paste from a previous comment of mine (including our host addition)

    Alpha assessment: Easter edition.

    Jehovah, AKA יְהֹוָה

    I will defer this entry to Richard Dawkins: “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

    Verdict: Asshole Alpha.

    Jesus: My sky daddy this, my sky daddy that. He was usually surrounded by 12 guys and was LJBFed by a hooker. His “father” Joseph was cuckolded: Impregnated by the Holy Spirit, yeah right. He founded one of the most pervasive religions, but I guess he didnt get any pussy. So faggot or beta-boy.

    Satan: First rebel, metal rocker, bad boy of the history. You just have to read Milton to realize this Satan guy kicks serious ass:

    “# Here we may reign secure, and in my choice
    to reign is worth ambition though in Hell:
    # Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven. ”

    He has been adored by million of hot chicks, producing more gina-tingles than Roosh and Roissy combined.
    Verdict: Über-Alpha.

    Judas:Betrayed his master by money (OK) but then got all sissy and hanged himself. Omega.

    [editor: what about muhammed? faggot pedophile?]

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  45. @John
    Your point about the original author of this site being a violin waiting to be plucked by a greater force sounded vaguely Satanic.

    So I assumed Satan was the mystery alpha male referred to? Was I right?

    I can’t see how Satan was an alpha male by any standards.

    Just because most (or even all) alphas are assholes does not mean all assholes are alphas.

    Did Satan ever have a girlfriend? did he ever even number close?

    All he did was act as a voyeur as far as I remember. Adam and Eve under the apple tree were his equivalent of DA’s ginormous megadrive of porn.

    Would the original author of this site act as hired mercenary/gallowglass for a Beta?

    I would venture to say – possibly, if granted ten thousand Russian babes, world domination and the secret of eternal life.

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  46. on September 9, 2010 at 5:01 pm Gunslingergregi`

    ”””””Cannon’s Canon
    unfortunately, i have already given myself an asymmetrical facial scar to maximize my alpha cred
    ””””””

    I only sleep 4 hours a day.

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  47. On the topic.. yes, the death and erotic drives are connected (Eros & Thanatos)… sometimes during wars people tend to procreate intensively.. one time me and a boyfriend were driving when we heard a celebrity death announced on the radio.. he became really thoughtful and then suddenly stopped and wanted to make love in the middle of the road..

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  48. on September 9, 2010 at 5:24 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””Jerry
    One of the most profound songs ever written was by the Beach Boys. It was The T-Bird Song.

    When this depression hit suddenly two years ago, I was let go from an extremely well paying position along with a dozens of other managers in a multinational. It meant no more 5 star hotel stays in London and Paris. It meant the end of my weekend trips to the Italian Riviera.
    ”””””’
    The dozens of other managers what did they look like?

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  49. on September 9, 2010 at 5:27 pm gunslingergregi

    It may be time for white men to sue companies en mass.

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  50. on September 9, 2010 at 5:30 pm gunslingergregi

    I am sure we all have plenty of racist examples and sexism examples to load up the shopping cart with.

    But you know true examples.

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  51. on September 9, 2010 at 5:31 pm gunslingergregi

    And plenty of them.

    Keep a file at work on what goes on and keep numbers of what is going on.

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  52. @john
    Your point about the original author of this site being a violin waiting to be plucked by a greater force sounded vaguely Satanic.

    So I assumed Satan was the mystery alpha male referred to? Was I right?

    I can’t see how Satan was an alpha male by any standards.

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  53. This wordpress moderation is satanic.

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  54. Satan is the alpha and omega. 🙂

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  55. Anon:

    That is a pretty pathetic analysis of the article. For one thing, virtually none of the findings are statistically significant, or even close.

    Just as an example of how off this analysis is, women prefer dominant male faces *more* when they are ovulating and reminded of their mortality, and *less* when they are ovulating but not reminded of their mortality. (8th page) This cuts directly against everything this article says. And again, pretty much none of the findings are statistically significant.

    This isn’t a case of overstating the results of weak science; it’s a case of either deliberately or recklessly misrepresenting the results of weak science.

    Thanks for doing the legwork on this. This isn’t the first time CR has misinterpreted research findings. There was a recent post about how a small minority of men get the vast majority of the poon. While I suspect this is true, the study CR pointed to did not support the assertion.

    As much as I love this blog, we have to keep the authors honest.

    [Editor: The anon you’re quoting above is wrong. He/she/it misread the study.]

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  56. james

    This NLP stuff – … the BeLOW me line – that’s got to be a joke –

    Kind of. You are ‘posed to pick up the capitals, subconsciously.

    but I’ve seen it mentioned in all seriousness elsewhere.

    People copy all sorts of crap they think has some significance. Though NLP deals with a subconscious pickup of patterns, this particular form is just a small part. The above example is just a popular concept about NLP.

    That being said. NLP is a serious stuff and it may seem like a magic to an observer that has no exposure to its discipline.

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  57. Look at you daedalus.

    Can’t resist coming back here.

    So much for leaving.

    That’s why you’re a woman.

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  58. and given the fact you can’t resist pointing that out I wouldn’t be surprised if you were a woman too.

    how do you know i’m the same person anyway.

    nothing to stop the sdaedalus enterprise being a collective too.

    i might even be a man for all you know.

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  59. sdaedalus, that post of yours above sounds a bit like you are running a rationalization hamster on steroids. No steroids does not quite fit… on estrogen! 😉

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  60. every man should try to get in touch with his feminine side occasionally.

    does the thought of me as a man scare you, Morsellaux?

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  61. Re moderation, I’ll tell ya’ll a secret. There is an add-on out there that enables whitelisting, meaning that selected people (like regular commenters) could post unmole…unmoderated.

    I suggested it prolly thrice, but it did not seem to catch attention. Puzzled am I, of course. Such a simple thing… and a certifiable whine reduction device…

    Eh.

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  62. sdaedalus,

    1. I don’t have a feminine side. Nor front, nor back.

    “does the thought of me as a man scare you?”

    I think you assign more significance to yourself than is warranted. That indicates that you are likely still a woman. But if you think you are now a man, sure, whatever you fancy.

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  63. on September 9, 2010 at 6:49 pm 1987 James Hetfield

    The tough times-leads-to-a-need-for-security argument makes sense, but I think income inequality in this country, and in this “recession” *cough* nullifies it.

    There are still lots of rich dudes, and there will be lots of rich dudes until the very end. Between them and alphas in general, there will still be enough for all the even moderately attractive women to whore themselves out to.

    Furthermore, I think the modern service economy is extra hard on betas…having high confidence and lots of shallow contacts gives one a serious edge in this job market, more than intelligence for sure. This fucks introverts, “nice” guys, shy guys, many eccentric types…

    This article sounds like beta wishful thinking.

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  64. Hm, a few times I’ve thought of making a plan to make loot as long as the looting down here is good, then get a chunk of land where going off the grid may be feasible, has this just been Chateau-approved?

    It’s like the old fashioned provider game.

    “Hey babe, look at the size of this steak. Killed the cow myself.”

    Hmmm, doesn’t sound right.

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  65. @Grendel Alphas don’t mind being violent when supporting their interests. And ONLY their interests. Also, Betas are more than willing to unleash a bit o’ ultraviolence when properly motivated. Google “Dresden 1945.”

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  66. Past the depression initial wipeout, here may be pressures for selection of entirely unexpected traits/characteristics.

    It may cut through vertically, rather than horizontally as assumed.

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  67. I’m pretty sure Roissy is just trollin you all with the Chateau proprietors shtick. It’s still Roissy, always has been.

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  68. on September 9, 2010 at 7:07 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””RMM
    Hm, a few times I’ve thought of making a plan to make loot as long as the looting down here is good, then get a chunk of land where going off the grid may be feasible, has this just been Chateau-approved?

    It’s like the old fashioned provider game.

    “Hey babe, look at the size of this steak. Killed the cow myself.”

    Hmmm, doesn’t sound right.
    ”””””

    Well if you have the loot you don’t have to kill the cow yourself but you may want to.

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  69. He may pretend it was some fierce animal. BTW mad cows can be life threatening. 😉

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  70. […] Times Are A Bounty for Provider Males Tough Times Are A Bounty For Betas Citizen Renegade __________________ […]

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  71. on September 9, 2010 at 7:22 pm gunslingergregi

    lol

    But yea on provider if you provide a 100 jobs to local community in depression then you have an army.

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  72. Well, if I said “look at the size of this steak; killed the boar myself,” she may think I’m an unreliable alpha who goes hunting and may or may not come back with the steak – whereas the reliable beta keeps his own cattle to be eaten on demand.

    “Bite this tomato, I grow them myself.”

    Wait, that last one may actually work in the right situation.

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  73. Gun, it would probably require a bit of organizational skills. A not the community organizer type, I may add.

    People that are behind 100 mile perimeter around big cities, and have even a sliver of land, I predict, will be winners.

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  74. RMM, she will appreciate both the boar steak and the cattle herd you maintain. You will be her alpha and omega. 😉

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  75. Satan is more like the ultimate exciting bad boy alpha boyfriend who made Israel “tingle”, while God is more like the boring (but loving and dependable) beta provider and protector who Israel would always try to go back to during times of crisis (after they’d fooled around with Satan during the “good times”, of course).

    Jesus is more of a greater beta, usually meek and compassionate, but also capable of asserting himself when dealing with injustice and hypocrisy (e.g., when he threw the money changers out of the temple).

    The most alpha dude in the Bible was probably Solomon, who had something like 700 wives and 300 concubines IIRC.

    Or, at least that’s my understanding of the Bible anyway. Your mileage may vary.

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  76. Roissy’s wisest point, I think, is that there is hope for Betas even without tough times, war, depression, etc., occurring.

    Quote:
    …. Call it Death Game. You casually mention a lady friend who died prematurely from some rare disease or freak accident, and then lament how little time we all have on this earth to pursue our goals and realize our dreams. Say “Life is so precious, and death is always around the corner, so grab what’s in front of you and live like it could all end tomorrow!” while touching the spine of her back with the chill fingertips of your best Grim Reaper impersonation ….

    Assuming of course that the study is accurate. Anyway, I think Death Game would work even better when employed by an Alpha. A Beta trying to use it might just seem creepy.

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  77. Haha, good point Morsellaux.

    Hm, maybe we’re talking the next step in Game evolution here. “Post-apocalyptic game.”

    It probably requires guns. Or crossbows. Or crossbow mounted guns.

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  78. Imagine the economic pain in the matriarchy if the D.C. govt didn’t bail out the States? (Think welfare and education budgets.)

    Imagine the pain if healthcare, with its overwhelmingly female workforce and female clientele, hits the wall? (Healthcare is a dramatic transfer of assets from men to women.)

    I can.

    We ain’t seen nothing yet. Our living standards are going to be falling a lot.

    Meanwhile, another observation about marriage from a youngish guy (30). He and his buddies have noted that hot girls will play the field until they are 29, then expect to get married by the time they are 31. They panic if not married by 32.

    He and his friends think if an attractive girl is not married by age 30, there is a serious problem with her. I hope the ladies keep that in mind as they ride the cock carousel during their 20’s.

    So, the same old advice. Be careful. Make money. And, don’t give it to women. DO NOT GET MARRIED until you have no other attractive options.

    Meanwhile, remember that the USA is now a 3rd world country. Just look at your fellow citizens.

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  79. Guns and crossbows. At some point, you may run out of ammo, then the crossbow would be a good fall back.

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  80. Retrenched:

    Jesus was the whipped offspring of a lower beta and an out-of-control hypergamous bitch.

    Work with me here for a second. Mary couldn’t keep her legs together and got herself knocked up by some bad boy (I suspect a Roman of good position who was slumming it) and then didn’t manage to get any commitment from him. What does she do?

    Finds herself a nice beta hubby to take care of the bastard, of course. Except that apparently it took her so long that it was obvious she was pregnant.

    And so, she invents a story. The problem is, the beta was a Jew.

    Why is that a problem? Simply because if she had told a Roman that Zeus had come down and impregnated her, he may have actually believed her without much trouble – if he had believed in such things to begin with. By that time, most Romans were fully committed to the downwards spiral of disbelieving hedonism.

    So she had a Jew, and she had to convince him that it was the son of his particularly unique god. And she did. And he married her, and took care of her and her bastard. And in doing so, she completely lost all respect for him.

    And thus, even though she had already given birth, she didn’t let Joseph touch her. She was repulsed by the idea, and thus the tale went spinning in her head. The son of god, she was the chosen one, no sin could sully her, yadda yadda. And so on, all to make sure that the repulsive whipped beta hubby didn’t want to sex her.

    Don’t believe me? Look at how her son turned out. He actually believed he was the son of god. Her mother never let the act down, not even towards her own kid. It didn’t matter to her what it was doing to her son, she only cared about what it got her. No creepy-touchy… And an insurance policy in case she got knocked up again when Joseph wasn’t looking.

    How Jesus went around speaks volumes on how Mary was. The wedding at Cana, she only mentions “they’re out of wine” and Jesus goes into fits… Yet does exactly what she wants when she orders the servants around to do as he tells – namely, scratching his own pocket to get them to go buy more wine, which considering how much money he must’ve made as the apprentice of a carpenter, must have been quite the scratch. Whipped? Reflection of how that household was run. If you can’t hear her screaming to Joseph about how much she had to suffer and how lucky he was and how he was undeserving of the honor of having her in his household, she the chosen one, by god, you’re not paying attention.

    It’s also interesting if you look at Jesus as he went along. He collected a dozen guys who realized the potential of sticking around with him. They must’ve been scoring like bandits on the wake of that guy. But look at him, the first time he gets a boner he practically whips himself over the temptation and has a complete mental block.

    In that vein, talk about DHV. Mary M comes and gives Jesus a boner, he believes himself to be the son of god, and somehow manages to overcome the temptation. Think about it, he was basically saying in the same phrase that she was hot enough to tempt the son of god, and yet he was badass enough to resist the temptation. Instant gina tingle. Heck, she still followed him around to his death and he never even touched her.

    If she had had a purple saguaro, we know what she would have called it.

    So, in short, christianity is basically the result of a cuckolding to a poor whipped beta, plus the outcome of the cuckolding woman’s hypergamy exploding with hatred towards the very beta that provided for her and her bastard child, for the sin of actually taking her in and doing as she said.

    How fitting.

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  81. on September 9, 2010 at 10:35 pm old faggot in the pictures

    who the fuck is the faggot old guy with the queer as picture posting 100 times on every fucking post? shut the fuck up and get back to your prune juice at the nursing home fuckhead

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  82. Betas may get women during a downturn but alphas thrive in tribal situations. When authority is moved down due to social unrest it’ll be the risk takers consolidating power.

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  83. Death Game was at it’s peak in the middle ages when they had dragons and shit

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  84. “Tough Times Are A Bounty For Betas”

    As long as they’re willing to man up and become more alpha.

    The uberalphas in history (especially during tough times) have always been fiercely monogamous:

    Churchill.

    Washington.

    Marlborough (read Churchill’s biography of his ancestor for the portrait of an alpha – he was banging the king’s mistress at 21, faithfully married at 25)

    Odysseus.

    This is the missing piece from Roissy’s mistakenly hedonistic worldview.

    Uberalphas are monogamous (as Mencken also notes, citing Bismarck among many other examples) for one reason:

    Alpha’s make better soldiers for the uberalpha (and his sons) to command, so creating more alphas (by not hogging all the pussy) is the optimal long-term strategy, especially during hard times.

    Those lesser alpha females, no longer pursued by the uberalphas (who are faithful to their uberalpha wives/families), then turn to greater betas who show strong potential for alphahood and focus on developing that potential.

    This was the American way until the Sexual Devolution. The loss of that way is what drives Roissy’s (and my) anger.

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  85. old faggot in the pictures,

    you must be one of them neo-hippies (“Never trust anyone over 30”).

    I hate hippies!

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  86. John,

    WHAT HES NOT SAYING THOUGH IS THAT HE IS categorically SUITED FOR SERVICE OF ANOTHER’S WILL, AS HIS HIGHEST GOOD, AS THE PINNACLE OF WHAT HE CAN ACHIEVE IN AN IDEAL WORLD.

    Sounds like you are expecting a new hitler/stalin/mao.

    Obamao? Naw, he is the epitome of a lower beta. In fact, it seems MO is the one wearing pants in the O family. I consider him a puppet of men behind the curtain, in any case, and if he fucks up too bad, they can find ways to get a rid of him (like a sudden leaking of his closely guarded records).

    With betaization in progress, there may seem enough sheep to be taken by a new “New Man”. But I am not sure 55% of US population would be thrilled by the idea. The individualistic spirit has not been weeded out yet. Especially in the flyover country.

    But hey, don’t be shy and if you know more, name names.

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  87. Beta males will benefit all the more if the financial crisis becomes so severe that welfare and food stamps are eliminated. The welfare state is the single biggest enemy of the provider beta…It has taken his place in many instances.

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  88. A response to an entitlement leech:

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  89. Your’e so right about everything. I was recently diagnosed with gingivitis. Now all I can think about is having children before my next teeth cleaning.

    Anyone game for children?

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  90. Vodka and Ground Beef, I thought you were diagnosed with bipolar. That is much much worse than gingivitis. And given your SMV 3…

    Any omega out there willing to help?

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  91. Who wants to bet the study was inspired by the a late night reviewing of the Wedding Crashers. Wedding and Funeral game – capatalize on state change.

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  92. […] questions about me personally, and commenting on things I would say. I even took a page out of Roissy’s recent post about Mortality Salience (girls being confronted with thoughts of their own death) and brought up some morbid subjects that […]

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  93. This British article says women in the workplace are better if they have children. I don’t care one way or the other but its interesting to see that there was a feminist campaign to thumbs up or thumbs down various comments:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1185128/Why-bosses-right-distrust-women-dont-want-children–VERY-outspoken-mother-ex-boss.html

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  94. @john,

    CAPS are FUCKING ANNOYING. They are good for emphasizing a FEW WORDS, but when you USE THEM INCESSENTLY, they GET GODDAMN ANNOYING and ACTUALLY DISTRACT FROM ANY POINT YOU WERE TRYING TO MAKE.

    My Point?

    TAKE IT DOWN A NOTCH!

    Thanks.

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  95. on September 10, 2010 at 6:18 am gunslingergregi

    She needs to bring lemonade if the want for attention is high. he he he

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  96. on September 10, 2010 at 6:18 am gunslingergregi

    And maybe an online dick sucking string might go some way.

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  97. “The study results show that it makes sense for a betaface to remind girls of their impending demise. Call it Death Game. You casually mention a lady friend who died prematurely from some rare disease or freak accident, and then lament how little time we all have on this earth to pursue our goals and realize our dreams. Say “Life is so precious, and death is always around the corner, so grab what’s in front of you and live like it could all end tomorrow!” while touching the spine of her back with the chill fingertips of your best Grim Reaper impersonation.”

    I seem to remember a medieval poem that as part of its theme, reminded the object of the poet’s affection that old age and death were a reality, and that they should essentially live for today. Sorry, I can’t remember it. It may have actually been a common theme.

    Assuming the study has some merit in its findings, I wonder if this also explains the popularity of horror films. While giving a woman the need to find a protector from Lord Death, the movie also reminds her of death, quite graphically, further accentuating the need for coitus before its too late.

    Does being reminded of death put the woman’s biological clock on a fast-forward setting? While in her teens and 20’s, it seems to a woman she will be able to reproduce at will forever, but cold reality only sets in as the 30’s approach. However, do methods of making death ‘real’, however fleeting, cause a disruption in the ‘ever-fertile’ fantasy?

    I seem to recall that times of war do tend to erode moral mores regard sex, and while one can contribute it to the sheer chaos resulting from it, I think it makes sense that it also has to do with the idea that you can buy it at any time, or at the very least, you are confronted with death in a way and on a scale which can’t be ignored.

    Look, there is logic to it. Coitus is the affirmation and creation of life (and if done right, also damn fun), and for now, one of the few ways to reach immortality if you are not a great artist, scientist or a historical figure of note, none of which the vast majority of people will be.

    Being confronted with one’s own mortality may focus both the mind and loins toward getting yourself a foothold in eternity, with previous inhibitions (whether religious, economic, anti-Beta, etc) against you procreating, or risking procreation, being diminished or tossed out completely.

    Hell, on a more basic level, the allure of sex may pull all stronger when the prospect of dying or becoming incapable of it becomes a very real possibility.

    In regards to whether Betas will really flourish woman wise when times get tough is actually a very interesting topic, probably worthy of its own post.

    My own two cents is that we should not confuse what Alpha and Beta mean in terms of this blog and Game, and the editors can correct if I get this wrong.

    Alpha does NOT neccessarily mean the baddest ass, or toughest hombre. It means the guy best able to get a woman to spread her legs for him. Being a badass, as we have examined, as its charms, but is not the only Game in town as far as getting poon. There are all sorts of triggers, and Thug Game is only one.

    Betas are know for being the providers and protectors, the guys who stick around to help the brood flourish. They are not perhaps naturally aggressive, not like Alphas, certainly like Thugs, yes. But, being the ones who tend to actually look after and care for the brood makes them all sorts of dangerous is the clutch. Considering Betas also tend to be the ones who work collectively, and who are far more numerous than Alphas, this can make for a deadly combo.

    I’m a Beta for the most part, I admit, but threaten or hurt my kids, and I *will* fuck you up, even at the cost of my life and my freedom. Deep down inside, I’ll probably enjoy it a lot. It almost scares me how much I would enjoy it, which makes me think that when push comes to shove, and shit hits the fan, you’ll find an Alpha of sorts hiding in a Beta’s core.

    Point is, the Alphas may run amuck for a while, but Betas will eventually form a resistance, and with superior numbers and organization, and with the fierce intensity and drive to protect their offspring who they do give a shit about, things get real ugly for the Alphas in the end. Isn’t that the story of civilization?

    Part of our modern society’s problem is that is has sought to pussify the Betas down to scale toward Gamma level, checking any sort of aggression or Alpha trait if they are not TRUE Alpha; ie, the cads the woman want to ride the cock coaster with. Can’t have the natives getting both restless any funny ideas, can we?

    Now, how this all plays out depends on how bad things get, and how it crumbles down to its bottom, true. I would have to think longer on different scenarios and how they play out, but I think the point of the post probably holds true. As the shit hits the fan, and the false edifice we’ve erected collapses, the providers and protectors will become valued again, and that will create tectonic shifts in society. It won’t be pretty, and not without cost, but the scales will rebalance in the end.

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  98. Why do you all think that betas are good and alfas are evil?

    Alfa = love and romance.

    Beta = marriage for money.

    A rhetorical question.

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  99. Beta world = safe technocratical suffocating society where people are matrix plug ins.

    Alfa world = world of danger, wild adventure and wonder, world of Conan the Barbarian.

    “Do you wanna live forever?”

    Alfas are good. Betas are bad.

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  100. One quick anecdote for a few ago I just remembered to mayve support this idea of the effects of facing death.

    Attended an event and met someone an interesting married couple.

    The guy was definitely a Beta.

    Screamed it.

    Very Nice guy; a bright, Jewish accountant of medium height, less than medium build, not ugly but certainly not what women would find physically attractive. As I recall, kind of pasty, but hairy, like almost Robin Williams kind of hairy. Face, trying to recall, would be like Oliver Stone with bushier or darker eyebrows.

    His wife was a HOT blond Italian descent woman; very nice figure, slim and trim but with all the appropriate curves, very attractive, feminine face. She also, by the way, seemed very nice and seemed to genuinely love the guy in the time we spent, which was a few hours.

    Even adjusting for what are my upward grading Beta goggles (and I had to concentrate on not looking too often at her) I would say she was easily a 7, even an 8. I actually kept looking between the two of them and kept thinking to myself, “Uh, HOW?”

    Well turns out they used to work together.

    “Uh, yeah, but STILL…”

    They worked at or near the World Trade Center (I forget which).

    “Oh…”

    Yep. They were both working when the shit went down, and both went through it and Mr. Nice Guy was there for her and they came through it together.

    I was not aware of Game or a study like this at that time, but even I could figure out that the experience had a HUGE impact on their relationship, and it suddenly seemed to make perfect sense. I then thought, “God Bless, buddy!”

    She really was the whole bag of chips from what I saw.

    From what I know, they are still together. I will have to check with the wife and make sure.

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  101. “Alfa” = Life = Nasty, Brutal and Short

    “Beta” = Civilization

    “world of danger” = Genocide; ethnic cleansing; famine; rape as sport; arbitrary hanging; disembowling; beheading; slavery; human sacrifice; no medicine; doctors;

    “world of Conan the Barbarian” = Good if you are Conan, not so good if you are pretty much anyone else. Ask his parents and girlfriend.

    “safe technocratical suffocating society where people are matrix plug ins” = Any number of Third World shit-holes await you. Have a nice trip….

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  102. I doubt tough times lead to betas getting more access to prime pussy. What probably does happen is that average, to slightly above average looking women stop trying to ride the alpha cock.

    Good times seem to lead to an overabundance of plain janes only wanting to fuck alphas, and actually believing that these guys will settle down with them and not use them just for sex.

    I’m sure in good or bad times alphas still get the best pussy, and 5’s and 6’s still cream for them. But an alpha cock chasing strategy in rough times would be beyond idiotic for 6’s and below.

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  103. Andrew,

    I don’t argue that Betas would start having supermodels drop in their lap. I think that the idea would be the scales would rebalance a bit, and as you said, the average to above average women would stop over-evaluating themselves and stop Alpha chasing.

    Again, unless I misread the ideas behind Game, the societal problem we face is that Beta males who generally should be able to garner a female, (likely a Beta as well) are shunted to the side because Beta Females are pursuing Alpha cock, which is in short supply based on the demand.

    Tough times would simply force Beta females to fend for themselves (no nanny-state subsistance, no free ride) and they would either reset their priorities or suffer real consequences, like not being able to feed themselves, or living in a shit-hole.

    I do think that in really tough times, even some females above 6 may find Betas preferable. If we consider the idea that Alphas are almost completely self-centered (they cannot be relied on to support the female) and the Beta males will NOT support random females because they can no longer be forced to and/or there are not spare resources, the facts of life assert themselves.

    Again, this depends on how bad things become. Civilization sprouted when Betas were almost assert their rights to the fruits of their labor, including women, as their efforts were essential to creating it. If things REALLY fell apart, it of course might degenerate to the condition where law of the jungle rules apply. That, however, would seem to entail a catastrophe of earth-shaking proportions.

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  104. Correction:

    “Civilization sprouted when Betas were able to assert their rights to the fruits of their labor…”

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  105. Guys! Ubermind and Seran,

    You are using both a limited prism in your attributions. Something a fully blown (no pun intended though I am getting tingles) feminist would approve of. Divide and conquer. Means their handiwork is nearly completed.

    The civilization would not be possible without alphas and without betas. In fact, until recently, the boundaries were always a bit fuzzy. The hierarchy outside the nuclear (or extended) family did not translate. The society hierarchical betas were alphas in their own circle–especially in nuclear family context. And as outliers, withing hierarchical alphas, there was a dash of betas in the nuclear family context.

    You squabble is not leading anywhere except keeping current memes in place.

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  106. @ Seran

    are you a beta?

    Do you wanna live forever!?!?

    Better to die an alfa than live a beta!

    Better to live free than live as a slave!

    You want to play safe or you want to win?

    This is the ultimate question. There are no others.

    Do not think a time will come when you wont have to ask yourself this question.

    Life will force everyone to answer this question to themselves.

    A dead lion is better than a living whelp.

    Pain is life.

    Are you afraid of pain?

    When you feel no more pain you are dead.

    There is no joy without pain.

    beta = a man who fears pain

    alfa = man who fears nothing

    Life choses alfa

    Cuckolding women chose beta

    That is your problem men. As children you wanted to be Conan the Barbarian or black ninja, but than you grew up and betrayed your dreams.

    If you believe we should build a beta society, reward betas and women should favor betas than you are full of shit.

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  107. “You squabble is not leading anywhere except keeping current memes in place.”

    Uh, I actually think I am being misrepresented by both of you here.

    I never said Alphas were unneccessary. Please, either one of you, point out where I stated that, if you could.

    I also never said all Alpha’s were “evil”, nor all Betas “good”. In fact, again, let’s see if you can find those terms in my post. (You won’t.)

    Again, from what I understand of Game theory, the balance is out of whack between Betas and Alphas, and that is having extremely detrimental effects on society. The point of the post was whether affluence has exacerbated this (the 4 Sirens giving woman of all stripes the freedom to Alpha chase, however delusional), and whether a serious economic downturn would return some balance to the Force, as it were.

    That was the point of my post, and Ubermind *seemed* to be making up a different argument to contend with, which is not my issue. Perhaps I was being presumptious is assuming he was referring to me, and if so, no problem.

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  108. Could it be that young people are quite unfamiliar with the pre-feminist era social structures? Perhaps not, there is still enough people that bridge the eras. But I shudder when imagining that the trend would continue for the next two generations. The next generation after that would have no real frame of reference. A fucked up dystopia, world wide dykestan. Or rplacement with another dystopian creed, like wahabist-takfiri brand of Islam. From the frying pan into the fire.

    Must. not. happen.

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  109. Seran, were maybe skim reading too fast. Happens. 😉

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  110. Ubermind,

    Do you even understand the whole premise behind Game theory? The WHOLE premise, and not just snippets of it? Not just the “getting chicks to bang” part of it, but the whole enchilada?

    I don’t think you do.

    You blurt out a bunch of one liner platitudes and I am supposed to take that as wisdom?

    Let’s start with this:

    Do you understand why an Alpha only/dominated society does not ultimately work, if by work we mean survive and thrive?

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  111. @Morsellaux

    I actually agree with you

    I just adore warrior poetry ^^

    But I would really prefer to fight for glory, pussy and my life with a bastard sword, spilling my blood and than to sit in a comfortable matrix, like an obidient civilized nice guy.

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  112. Err I meant “rather” not “then”

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  113. “Seran, were maybe skim reading too fast. Happens. ;-)”

    I know it man. I try to be careful, because it always easy to go off, er, half-cocked.

    No problem.

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  114. Ubermind, there is no such a a thing as pure alpha nor pure beta, except as outliers. It was always mixture that got in some ways codified in societal structures in a workable patterns even in most primal (not necessarily primitive) setting. That is why humans became the top predator, because of our ability to form synergies.

    The clear delineation between alphas and betas is a feminist ploy that only serves to their ends. Accepting their stratagem in full (philosophically, not as a temporary solution for using the current structure for one’s needs) is a ure way to a destruction.

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  115. ure=sure

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  116. Ubermind, I understand. But you also need someone to forge your sword. The smith may seem beta to you, but he may as well fuck your wife while you are on your warrior path. C’est la vie.

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  117. “But I would really prefer to fight for glory, pussy and my life with a bastard sword, spilling my blood and than to sit in a comfortable matrix, like an obedient civilized nice guy.”

    I actually don’t disagree with you in general, but the things I am fighting for are for freedom, and for MY progeny.

    YES, this society is trying to turn us into a bunch of infants, the easier to control, and I fucking hate it, and I am afraid that in the end things are going to get ugly before they turn around.

    However, I am not willing to return the world to the “Conan” style of living, either. An tyrant overlord sucks whether it is a Oligarchy of bureaucratic douche bags or a megalomaniac strongmen.

    The key to a good society, what America used to be, I think, was a nation of Betas in terms of building a polite, productive and better society, who had Alphas lurking within who would come out and “play” if shit got hairy.

    As I wrote before, I think that is trying to be expunged from us, pushing us all to be Gammas working in a 1984 world.

    An all Beta society is pussified, leaving it weak for aggressors, and an all Alpha society collapses of its own weight because it cannot sustain itself or tears itself apart.

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  118. “Ubermind, I understand. But you also need someone to forge your sword.”

    Holy shit! Very succinct. Nicely done.

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  119. @ Seran

    My original posts were not against you.

    I understand it really good this premise Seran, but please look deeper.

    Alfa society does not produce technology that makes life easier for females.

    Be honest, we men, do not need all this civilisation shit. We are happy going hunting, killing wild beasts and making love to women who await our return from hunt and to whom we are everything.

    It is for women – all this that was built. This comfy cushy world. Betas turn world in a place where men become obsolete.

    The ultimate pinnacle of betahood is to produce AI – ideally a robot with brains of Einstain and dildo that is always hard and 15 inches long.

    When this happens all men, both beta and alfa, will become unnecessary, because robots will keep up the infrastructure and give orgasms to women. Yes to men too. But at this point all humans will become unnecessary each to other.

    What do you want? To live in a civilisation, become fat, lazy and unnecessary?

    Or you want to exercise your strength in daily struggles for life and conquer some pussy?

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  120. Editor with a preview would be nice …

    not as a temporary solution = not as a temporary opportunity

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  121. Seran, we can assume for today that a golden middle ground is the best.

    I like the patriarchal nuclear family model too and it would be good enough for me.

    But today world is marching to the matrix extreme, not conan extreme.

    If world were at Conan extreme, maybe I myself would support idea of a more civilised and beta approach.

    You know, you have to fight for the balance of force.

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  122. Ubermind, I would have never guessed that you are typing you posts on your sword. 😉

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  123. Just teasing you, I see we are essentially in agreement.

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  124. “What do you want?

    To live in a civilisation, become fat, lazy and unnecessary?

    Or you want to exercise your strength in daily struggles for life and conquer some pussy?”

    These are the only choices? Really?

    Seems like there might be a middle-ground there, and it seems societies throughout history managed to find those middle ground and become great. Where they eventually went wrong was allowing the balance to go out of whack.

    Yes, decadence in a society in unhealthy, for both its citizens and the society itself. Both become weak and thus susceptible to destruction. No argument.

    But let’s be a little honest with your glorified (and let’s be honest, its glorified) view of the perfect world.

    A “daily struggles for life” sound real keen, until you actually have to struggle daily for life. Wondering whether you might live to see tomorrow everyday of your life does not seem so great a concept to me, and if you actually had to experience it, really, I think you would soon agree.

    Particularly those daily struggles would not be glorious mano-e-mano battles with your shining blade, but without civilization it would be against dehabilitating disease, starvation, weather, hordes of animals and swarms of barely human men, etc.

    Finally, as Morsellaux so nicely put it, your reign of unbrideled freedom and conquering will come to an abrupt end when you come up against a society which HAS achieved the balance I spoke off above.

    You’ll be wielding your shining bastard sword, waving it over your head as you charge, screaming you war cry, and then they will open up with their rifles en masse, and turn you into pink mist.

    But hey, the bright side is that their society will be Beta enough perhaps to care for your wives and kids after your dead.

    Balance, Ubermind, balance…

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  125. Roissy has pointed out many times (I assume) that Alphas can mimic Betas anytime they want but not visa versa. Its like NFL players can go back and play in the minor leagues any time, but not visa versa.

    Roissy forgot to mention in the above post that, if there was a sudden preference for Betas in the Depression, the Alphas would be first in line as (seemingly) the best Betas out there.

    Alphas can be chameleons and Beta camouflage is their favorite disguise.

    They’d seem to be Beta Providers for their entire harem (MLTR) if that is what the times were calling for. Sure, in a serious crisis, more women would call their bluff and then go off in a huff to real Beta Providers when the money wasn’t forthcoming…but the wolf in sheep’s clothing would still be cleaning up if he has an income similar to real Beta Provider types.

    One of the best instruments in my toolbox is playing like a Beta Provider when necessary. Money Game is taboo on this blog but I’ll note that I played Mr. “I will buy you drinks and give you money for nothing” Beta with a super-flirt this summer and slowly reeled her in to where I was getting everything. She was so full of herself that playing Alpha would have been useless. Even in bed she still didn’t get what I had done because when I said “You’re so beautiful” she said “Yes, I know and you’re damn lucky to be in bed with me.” I didn’t bother answering “It wasn’t luck honey”.

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  126. “I see we are essentially in agreement.”

    So it seems based on Ubermind’s last post.

    Good crossing swords with you all.

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  127. Yeppers. I am a nice guy most of the time, but on occasion, I crack skulls not because I need to but because I have to, when no mo Mr. Nice Guy is in order.

    I am epitome of civilization! 😉

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  128. “But today world is marching to the matrix extreme”

    Sadly, I think you are all too correct.

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  129. What absolute twaddle!

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  130. on September 10, 2010 at 9:37 am The P.E.N.N.I.S. System

    “Good crossing swords with you all.”

    gay.

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  131. @ Skadi

    “Even in the coming depression faithful men will be more useful, because alphas are just too flaky and unstable.”

    In the coming depression, even “faithful men” (betas, I assume) will have less incentive to be faithful because there will be many more women looking for providers.

    “And women will still be somewhat protected as most women work and support themselves (and some of them will now have to support their jobless husbands). People will just stick together more and women will find it easier as they are innately more relationship oriented.”

    It really depends. You seem to think that a depression will be a rather one-dimensional affair, with only economic repercussions.

    However I would argue that the recession could become so severe, that fact combined with our ridiculous debt load could make it very difficult to continue to pay police and other public servants to maintain law & order, as well as other basic services. This has already happened in many cities and towns in this country, and now larger cities are also coming under pressure. Just recently in Chicago, the police chief decided to negotiate with street gangs in an effort to tamp down violence, as the city simply doesn’t have the budget to pay enough cops to stamp them out.

    Assured public safety is an essential component of economic freedom for women. Women won’t be able to “support themselves” or work jobs if public safety has deteriorated to the point where they don’t feel safe walking the streets to get to their air-conditioned paper pushing gigs. And so on. Sure “people will stick together”…but I’m sure the bad guys, thugs, and criminals will, too. And there will increasing numbers of them and they will be increasingly desperate. Sure, women can and probably will buy guns. But the bad guys already have them, they will get more and won’t think twice about using them.

    So Skadi, you’re basically reduced to believing Peter Schiff—but hoping he’s not so dead-on that it reverses the very conditions that have made it possible for women to “support themselves”. I have no problem with you attempting to thread that needle, but it strikes me as more than little dishonest to not even acknowledge both sides of the eye.

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  132. @ Morsellaux

    “Ubermind, I would have never guessed that you are typing you posts on your sword. ;-)”

    Well I live the warriors two fold path of sword and pen.

    I do not think that smiths are unnecessary or that they are beta, but what good is it to be a smith if you cannot wield your own made sword. And some barbarian kills you with sword you made to test its sharpness?

    You can produce all the technology (guns/swords) you want, it does not makes you beta. You are made beta by giving this technology to others not you(a king, a barbarian or a woman), for a possible use against you, and being unable to use it yourself. Or giving the technology power over you, not you having power over technology.

    This is what happens today. This is beta civilisation. Technology created for lazy woman not for industrious smiths who made it.

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  133. Beta males, feminists, lesbians and gays…..beta males are the enablers of the latter 3 of the species.

    Go to your local pub – see all those chaps lined up down the bar – beta males.

    Coke-heads are the ultimate beta males.

    Collecting welfare = beta male.

    Getting married and having children, and providing for them is not beta – provided that you choose a good woman who gives you loving blowjobs.

    Alas, white western women are no longer viable for our offspring.

    I have a daughter from a white woman. I never lived with her mother. I have no relationship with her mother – I have seen her mother a grand total of once in 2010 – the woman is like battery acid and her voice is like a hyena. I pay my child support and see my daughter whenever I can, as often as I can, but I have little to no contact with her mother.

    In the meantime, I continue to pursue my career, other women, and still live a bachelor’s life.

    Her provider is the government and her wealthy parents.

    That is how to have children in this day and age.

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  134. Alpha: Focuses on getting what he really wants and provides the fantasies he instinctively knows a woman has. He doesn’t give up approaching and gaming until he gets what he wants.

    There’s nothing flaky or unstable about this until any given woman presses him long “enough” for marriage and he keeps side-stepping the issue. Then he’s unstable only from her point of view.

    Until then and beyond, he can play-act the Beta Provider better than a real one.

    Beta: Focuses on getting what’s generally expected that he’d want and tries to provide what the media and well-meaning friends and family plus women themselves *tell* him women want.

    This guy mostly doesn’t approach women and sticks loyally to the one’s who pick him.

    He defeats himself and will continue to do so even when Depression conditions open up new opportunities for him (he won’t notice).

    The 21 year old who would have moved in with him herself for the comfort and digs and tuition money he would have provided now that there is no more Student Loan Program…watches as he dates and marries her 42 year old mother instead…and the daughter gets all that comfort and the tuition money she wanted for free.

    And the Beta is “proud” of his new step-daughter. He’ll never know she would have been his girlfriend herself.

    A film scene that really woke me up was the mostly-deleted mother-daughter scene in “The Devil’s Advocate”.

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  135. The title of this post could have been: “The Coming Depression: We’ll Have Fun Now That Daddy Took the T-Bird Away”.

    Think of “Daddy” as the Student Loan Program for instance. That, to me, is the most vicious institutionalized cock-blocker. They use the tax money of older men to make sure younger women can have fun for their most fertile years with young men who didn’t pay taxes.

    Logically, all men with jobs would want to abolish the Student Loan Program in their own interest.

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  136. “gay.”

    Thus sayeth the poster with the word “PENNIS” in his title.

    Pot.

    Kettle.

    Gay.

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  137. Jerry, make up your mind.
    Twenty-year-olds this, twenty-year-olds that — but then, when you finally post a pic of your idea of a “10” (that british chick who was shown with her mother), you picked a thirty-ish woman as your 10.

    This contradiction, among others, is just one of the many things that makes me think that, except for the endless posts with links, you’re just a joke poster meant to see whether anyone is sucker enough to take you seriously.

    Anyone?
    Is there anyone, anyone, on the board who believes any of jerry’s stories about his interactions with women?

    Also, jerry, if a guy like you ever did acquire a “girlfriend” by paying her college tuition, you’d better believe that her pussy would be nice and wet for you every time — fresh with the spunk of the other guys she’d be fucking.
    Especially e. european girls, who are mercenary hustlers to a degree that puts the women of all other races to shame.

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  138. Ubermind,

    Someone had to stay in the village to protect it. Usually older men, smiths (smith — a medieval jack of all trades, often a village dentist) and a few warriors, while others went on a raid or into a battle. So, smiths had to know how to wield the sword, who in their sane mind would leave their village exposed and unprotected?

    Not much changed as civilization grew, more complexity, but the pattern could be reduced to its basic form that is the same.

    Was there an equivalent of paper pushers in ancient Rome at the time it went decadent? Seems to me that is the tipping point for our era. I don’t mean accountants… lawyers not so sure. The government bureaucracy — that is the one, they had scrolls in Rome instead of sheets. Once a “leech” class is established, then it starts to expand and suck in the wealth of the productive segment.

    This is where betas come from–the paper pusher cesspool.

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  139. dragnet, right, the society will fracture in numerous and unexpected ways (well, some of it is fairly predictable, but not all).

    We already live in interesting times, as the Chinese proverb goes. The hammer did not hit the anvil yet, but it is already on its trajectory.

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  140. I forgot 2 mention my one of my fave words got face time!

    “Bizzaro world”.

    Shall the writer incorporate “post America” one day?

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  141. “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times”.

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  142. [Editor: The anon you’re quoting above is wrong. He/she/it misread the study.]

    Thanks for the heads-up, I’ll check it out.

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  143. @Dalerojo

    You’ve got a history of siding with feminists on this forum and getting hostile to a number of guys here.

    The last thread you graced was filled with guys asking you why you felt so hostile to them.

    I still don’t believe you’re male.

    But if you are, your biggest beef recently was slamming guys who want virgins, presumably because your own old British wife wasn’t anywhere near being one.

    You reek of envious hostility. You don’t *want* to think that someone who didn’t get married like you did, found a good life in Eastern Europe.

    Now you just threw out non-sequiturs.

    You just referred to the 19 or 21 year old standing on the left in the top pic here and on the right in the lower pic:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1286392/Perfect-mother-lousy-lover-Being-devoted-children-cost-Sarah-marriage-She-wont-make-THAT-mistake-again.html

    For me, the full-figured young woman would be a 10 if she were 175 cm or taller and the butt and thighs were as perfect as is often the case between age 18-21. The mother, in her early 40s, would be a 7.5 to me and then also only if the butt and thighs were smooth.

    What most men think of 10s, Britney Spears when she was 17, is what I would call an 8.

    So there is no contradiction.

    Now shut the fuck up and go back to your slut wife you dismal little pro-feminist British Beta.

    Oh wait…

    [Also, jerry, if a guy like you ever did acquire a “girlfriend” by paying her college tuition]

    If you were capable of reading properly, I said that a Beta like you (whose slut wife probably has an adult daughter from a previous lover) would completely miss the opportunity to shack up with the daughter and would go straight for the mother…and end up paying for the daughter’s life as well, for nothing.

    I didn’t say anything about Alphas paying for anyone’s tuition (although one could pay by the month until he got tired of the student).

    Your animosity on this shows a feminist mind. I still don’t believe you are female.

    If you want to pretend you’re male, just.let.it.go on being so hostile about things like lap dancing or whatever.

    [Especially e. european girls, who are mercenary hustlers to a degree that puts the women of all other races to shame.]

    Your racist animosity on East European women again shows a feminist mind.

    There are several male regulars here who were born in Eastern Europe and you aren’t ingratiating yourself with them by calling their mothers and cousins whores.

    Wake up. If you flew to Russia you would *not* get laid. The days of the mail order bride mentality are long gone (for the past 8 years or so).

    But feminists don’t know mail order brides don’t exist anymore.

    You are clearly an older female who feels she’s being shut out by the competition.

    Or a sad married Brit with a same-age wife who, by his own admission, was a slut when he married her.

    And now he’s lashing out at others because of his own buyer’s remorse.

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  144. Speaking of betas, does anyone know scientifically why some days you wake up and all the brain cells are firing, you are in command of your situation, you are a step ahead of the girl you are gaming, everything seems effortless…

    And then some days, like today for me, your brain cannot figure out how to make contact with a golf ball in over 80 attempts, you are two steps behind everything a girl is saying and barely able to give her beta obligatory responses that make you look like a little bitch, and you feel like a pathetic loser generally.

    Why is this? I realize people have noted that sometimes you “wake up on the wrong side of the bed” for a long time, but what exactly is the chemical process that is happening (or not happening) in the brain that controls alertness and mental processing?

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  145. Sidewinder, cycles. Ups, downs. Cause unknown, some correlations, but not enough to make reasonable assumptions.

    Supposedly 3 cycles–mental, emotional and physical. They do not generally match in length, so you may be up in emotional and physical but down in mental cycle. And so on. When all 3 are down, then you have a shitty day like today.
    It shall pass. 😉

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  146. @Sidewinder

    Could be your new furniture is off-gassing. That kind of stuff can throw a guy off with everything.

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  147. Jerry’s obsession with young girls is creepy.

    We don’t need old fogeys poaching our young girls. Young guys need you girls to game and get their feet wet. Societies in which old farts monopolize the young birds breed suicide bombers.

    Stick to the bingo halls ye old fart. Leave the young birds to us.

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  148. Back on top again! I think i needed coffee.

    Sat next to couple at cafe. 8.5, 19 year old, sitting with total beta boyfriend. Just from observing 5 minutes of conversation it is apparent that she DOMINATES the relationship. Boyfriend gets up to go to the bathroom, and I neg her hard immediately.

    Me: How much coffee have you been drinking?

    Her: Oh, I have restless leg syndrome and my leg always does that. Blah blah blah (annoying shit about herself) While talking, she is nervously folding her napkin and putting it on the table.

    Me: I think you need to drop out of college and be a waitress.

    Her: ????

    Me: You can’t sit still.

    Her: I know, its embarassing.

    [boyfriend arrives]

    They leave about 5 minutes later, and she unsolicited turns to me and says “It was a pleasure talking to you today. I hope you have a good day.” Right in front of beta bf. I just nodded in her direction. I think this was more for the purpose of keeping beta boy in his place than any invitation towards me, but it was fun nonetheless.

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  149. @Spinaroonie

    Good satire (or not). Either way you just hit on what Dalerojos problem is. He’s not tapping what he wants (he says he’s married, living in England, and banging some he says was quite experienced when he married her).

    With only 15% of guys brave enough to approach women, there need not be hostile competition between older guys and younger guys. Such hostility only happens when a younger guy is insecure or when an unhappily married older guy has rationalized that his time for the most fertile women is over as is the course of nature.

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  150. Sidewinder,
    It’s a lot of work being “on” all the time.

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  151. Jerry: off-gassing

    Late night chilli? 🙂

    Mild food poisoning (happens more than is generally acknowledged), allergies… Putin’s stash of polonium…

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  152. @Sidewinder

    Don’t knock yourself there. If you weren’t married and you were heavy into physical fitness, etc, you’d be surprised about the number of 19 year olds who would date you.

    Again, only 15% of men would consider doing what you just did while the bf was in the bathroom.

    And most 19 year old boys are Beta to the Bone.

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  153. Sidewinder,
    I think that was a pretty good neg. I can’t sit still very well either and I would laugh if someone pointed it out.

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  154. New targets: Two 19 year olds have arrived. Both are probably in the 7-8 range, but one has a sick body. She took the seat facing away from me, which is evidentially a good sign according to this site. She just took her sweatshirt off…Good God she has an amazing body!

    She looks like shes’s into the hippy thing…any tips on gaming these ding bats?

    Laura, is dry humping cheating? jk

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  155. Jerry, I’m by no means a natural alpha, but I’m in great shape and with my shaved head I look like a marine.

    Sidewinder (the quintessential beta) tip of the day:

    If you have an attractive face and receding hair, shave your head. Don’t be a try-hard and shave it to the skin in an attempt to hide your hairline. Just shave it down so that there is a shadow of hair on your head. I use clipper #1. And be in shape. A lot of bald guys go over the top and get too bulky, IMO. Just get trim and muscular.

    I was the biggest skeptic of this before I shaved my head, but it is absolutely true that ALL women, even the ones that like hair on men, respond differently in a positive way. Because I’m married I can’t really test the theory, but even friends of my wife look at me in a way that says “he’s not safe” like they used to.

    I think the crux of the attraction is the “I don’t give a shit what you think of my appearance” factor, combined with a physically attractive body. But it is key that you maintain a positive, dominant frame…I’ve seen it backfire with some dudes who are overly self-conscious and quiet. If you shave your head, you have to man up.

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  156. This is cool – Live game blogging from Sidewinder. I’m stuck near a landline.

    Can you see books with them? Look the titles up on Google.

    Open up a cooking forum and find a controversy. Then ask them for advice on how to throw a dinner party for out of town clients.

    Do you have an answer ready for when they ask you if you’re married? They might like you more if you say you are.

    Every young woman who likes me asks if I’m married. I tell them the truth that the one I would have married died of cancer. I haven’t yet tried pretending that I’m married

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  157. Jerry,

    Re: marriage question.

    I thought I’d go with the “it’s complicated.” I also thought I might just evasively change the subject back on them? Maybe say “are you a cop?” You think I should just come right out and say “Yeah, I’m married.” Should I add “is that going to be a problem for you?”

    Thanks for the tips.

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  158. Sidewinder,
    She asks, “Are you married?”
    You answer, “Yes.” with a smile and say nothing else.
    I think that would at least make her laugh.

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  159. @Sidewinder

    You may have asked your first question to them by now.

    You can try “Yeah I’m married so you can be relaxed with me. I’m friends with a number of the students at U of Whatever.”

    Don’t feel pressure about live blogging it because the odds are that they will be mean-spirited and fresh off their first year of Women’s Studies if you are in the US. You will know by their response to an initial question. I suggested cooking but you could go with asking directions or asking what they recommend regarding the sandwiches or pies.

    I’m always saying guys should get buzzcuts. Bruce Willis, John Travolta and Stephen Segall do this and they are almost 60. Segall just appeared in “Machete” looking better than ever. You know he was tapping the talent around him, 40 years younger, when they shot that film.

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  160. Laura,

    And how do we get from “yes” to dry-humping?

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  161. Under no conditions say “Is that going to be a problem for you” if someone is just having a casual first time conversation with you.

    If they are at the local university, you can ask any number of questions that they might know the answer to. Example: “Is there a good massage therapist on campus? I’d pay $blank per session for a good one because I’m sore from doing a blank sport last weekend.” There are a number of elements in saying that that can lead a conversation down a number of paths.

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  162. “And most 19 year old boys are Beta to the Bone.”

    Well, aren’t most men betas, no matter the age?

    Alphaness is in the man’s genes, his nature, not his age. Alexander the Great was a teenage alpha.

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  163. on September 10, 2010 at 12:58 pm Professor Woland

    It is important to remember that the single act of breeding is not the end of the game. Our genes, which only wish to continue on and multiply, use different stratagies. The beta strategy is to settle down with the best he can find and reproduce more than one child by not wasting resources and energy. The PUA / alpha strategy is to spread as many decendents as possible and hope they survive. This R v. K dynamic is the same that goes on with clams, ducks, and monkeys. A Mormon beta that has 10 children, all of which go on to have families of their own, will out produce the slutty single mom that gets knocked up by the local bad boy and becomes washed up at 26. Either way, it is a roll of the dice.

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  165. Jerry,

    “is that a problem?” and all other PUA quips would be delivered with a non-serious smirk. It is very hard to convey on a blog the non-verbal, but that is really 90% of it, in my experience.

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  166. @Sidewinder

    Do you want *both* of these women? Because, if you do, then after you’ve engaged them in a DHV filled conversation for about 15 minutes, you could say “Hey, I’m married but I’ve always had a fantasy of doing a strip tease in front of a bunch of women. My wife is shy about helping me arrange this, but what do you think? Do you have other friends who’d enjoy a good laugh?”

    Since they would stay clothed, there is a good chance they will find the idea a lot of fun. This angle would definitely work at least once if you tried it on three sets of different women.

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  167. @Sidewinder

    Even with a smirk, you’d be admitting to trying to game them on purpose. I would go more with “Yes, which reminds me…can you tell me what Women’s Studies courses are saying these days about married men who talk with other women?”

    That would put the ball in their court to give you a lot of information you need to know about where their minds are at.

    But you need to have already acted. They may only be there a few more minutes now.

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  168. UPDATE:

    I got my things together to leave the cafe, and the two girls got up to leave before me. They went outside and waited at the front door to the cafe. Whe[ust n I came out, one of them stared right at me so I said “hi”.

    Her: That’s a nice briefcase.

    Me: Yeah. I’m a pretty serious person.

    Her: Haha. What do you keep in there?

    Me: A stack of penthouse magazines.

    Her: Haha (touching briefcase). I see you have locks on it.

    [just then we are interrupted by a mid-thirties woman who I am guessing is one of their professors, killing the mood]

    Her: Where are you going?

    Me: I have to tend to my serious business. See you later.

    Sometimes “hi” is all that is necessary.

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  169. Us mid-30’s women are such a pain in the ass.

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  170. Laura,

    Truer words have never been spoken. I almost felt like I was in trouble when their professor approached. Dry-humping plans stymied.

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  171. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ….Our sample was composed primarily of White, middle-class college women who have been shown to express a preference for mates who will invest heavily in her and her children…..

    Another worthless pshycology study!!!
    ….don’t these f***kers take statistics??? Damn at least Political Science people (another bullshit major), care about surveying a representative sample.

    This is why I don’t give much credit to a lot of the Psychology stuff that comes out… unless it is hardcore neuroscience, (where the researcher had to do study hard for his degree)

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  172. sdaedalus purred

    the difficulty
    with all this
    is
    that
    Satan
    was a beta.

    just becase you playfully copy me
    does NOT give you the right
    to pick me up at Shannon
    buy me drinks
    get me drunk
    order room service
    hop in the shower with me
    then ride me cowgirl style
    Parisian Courtesan style
    or do the Kinshasa Earthquake
    on silk sheets in
    the Dublin Hilton

    stalker

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  173. Laura,

    I have always liked how older women understand what men find to be sexy. Younger girls, even the really sexy ones, often don’t have the confidence/knowledge to display and express themselves the way men like in bed. In my experience, girls late 20s and 30s know what the deal is and they enjoy being dirty.

    I would have done all three girls (2 19 year olds and 30 something professor) without thinking twice.

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  174. To “old faggot in the pictures” post.

    Don’t ever get old. It ain’t me you were pointing out but the last I saw this was a pretty open forum.

    Maybe you can learn something.

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  175. on September 10, 2010 at 5:09 pm Gunslingergregi`

    lol this blog has broken its own back.

    It is nor surreal.

    Except that nobody is real.

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  176. on September 10, 2010 at 5:10 pm Gunslingergregi`

    Good show though I appreciate it.

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  177. Interesting you should post this. The last time I had a really good year as far as lay numbers go was 2008. Pretty much all the chicks I screwed casually that summer have since hooked up with long-term boyfriends. The least attractive of them actually got married. I boned her twice but she was pretty damn gross I hate to admit so I dumped her after 2 screws and 3 dates. Now she’s married to what appears to be a pretty average looking guy with a decent job. I thought she’d be single forever.

    2009 was worse for poon, and 2010 has been crap. Two new broads this whole year, both really mediocre. I do have 2 MLTRs left after my 3rd one recently dumped me, so there’s at least that.

    I thought it was just me, but the women lately have been pushing for commitment right off the bat whereas in ’08 they were good to go, no problem. I had a feeling the economy was part of the issue but now this has confirmed it.

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  178. Ubermind

    Why do you all think that betas are good and alfas are evil?

    Alfa = love and romance.

    Beta = marriage for money.

    A rhetorical question.

    Because love is temporary, and women who want to put their kids through college have an enormous future time orientation.

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  179. Ubermind

    Alfas are good. Betas are bad.

    Beta’s try to succeed by being good. Alphas try to succeed by being fun.

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  180. Andrew S.

    I doubt tough times lead to betas getting more access to prime pussy. What probably does happen is that average, to slightly above average looking women stop trying to ride the alpha cock.

    Good times seem to lead to an overabundance of plain janes only wanting to fuck alphas, and actually believing that these guys will settle down with them and not use them just for sex.

    I’m sure in good or bad times alphas still get the best pussy, and 5′s and 6′s still cream for them. But an alpha cock chasing strategy in rough times would be beyond idiotic for 6′s and below.

    It was already mentioned that the shift in attitudes was not large. That there are dual mating strategies, and that they shift, is not news.

    I agree with Jerry that the womenfolk are nicer when they want something from men. I’ve been saying for a while that men need to control resources, especially at the individual relationship level.

    I also agree that women are best off with little economic opportunity, from any males point of view.

    But no matter the economic situation, as another poster here mentioned, it will still be a mixed bag. The same mixed bag. With a slightly different skew of peanuts to cashews.

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  181. If the Nigerian 419 scam can work, then remember the concept of “it’s a number’s game”, gentlemen.

    Shotgun broadly, look for blood, then sniper.

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  182. Xsplat is right. Women like both types of men: beta providers and alpha lovers for different reasons, which should be obvious.

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  183. American women rated in the middle of the beauty scale chase alpha cock like no other. That mating strategy will come to a crashing halt (on a very wide scale) if the economy ever hits rock bottom.

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  184. breaking news: human behavior is fluid and dynamic, film at 11

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  185. Ya, could be he is trying to minimize his legal risks. If so, his incredibly high consistency of incredibly fine writing has been slipping. I’m more apt to believe many of the more political posts are from a 2nd writer. Perhaps a writer who sometimes acts as editor, which would help to explain his original consistency of quality. Editors do good work. My brilliance makes for spotty quality of output.

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  188. @Havana,

    The researchers are white middle-class social scientists who went to college. Therefore, they think white middle-class college students are “normal” people.

    D’uh.

    Others don’t figure in social studies.

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  189. Bitches think John Wayne be Beta ’til crisis and maraudin’ rapin’ Huns show up, then he’s bad-ass hot!

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  190. O it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, go away”;
    But it’s “Thank you, Mister Atkins, when the band begins to play,
    The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
    O it’s “Thank you, Mr. Atkins, when the band begins to play.
    –Rudyard Kipling

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