Alpha Assessment: Ain’t No Thing Edition

David writes:

So on my way to achieving my maximum alpha-dom, I’ve discovered more and more that R is 110% right on everything. I’m sorta-kinda involved with a really nice 7/10 girl, but she has an 8 friend. So I start this conversation with her friend and she says:

“she likes you. shes my bestfriend. she has never & wouldnt ever do it to me. i can’t do it to her.”

I respond

“1 – we aint a thing
2 – what happens in vegas…”

After going through a pretty repetitive circle (I was slightly buzzed when I typed this and still am), she agreed to come over before work tomorrow and ‘test my seduction skills against her resistance skills,’ which is whore for ‘you fuck me senseless and I’ll pretend like it wasn’t supposed to go down like that.’ Point is, I got this after the rapport circle:

“None of this gets back to [name of 7].”

Sure thing? I think so.

“we ain’t a thing” — Major disqualification. Chicks dig the moving target.

“what happens in vegas” — Breaching her anti-slut defense. Assurance of privacy granted.

The 7 friend — Preselection. Getting hotter women is easier when you can pivot off slightly less hot women. Pivot off a 7 to get an 8, off an 8 to get a 9. Doesn’t work if the pivot is much uglier than the target, so don’t think you can date cigstache and trampoline off her enormous tobacco-stained gut into the sexy bosom of a 10.

Challenge level: 1 (on a 0 to 5 scale, zero being a cokehead offering a hummer for your dimebag and five being the supermodel newlywed of a famous actor.)

Alpha level: 3 (on a 0 to 5 scale, zero being an example of the bare minimum to cross the threshold from beta to alpha and five being an example of the kind of alpha game a man merged with the DNA of Jack Nicholson, Tommy Lee and Silvio Berlusconi would run.)

Summary judgment: A well-executed alpha attack on a chick who was looking to fuck. But this is end game stuff when the fornication line is in sight.


walawala writes:

Here’s my exchange with HB8 I met at our Latin dance night 2 weeks ago. We hit it off, lots of kino, IOI’s rapport, she qualified herself.

We met up a few days later on consecutive days spent the entire class hanging out, dancing. I purposely never number closed that time to see whether there was interest. I didn’t see her for two weeks so sent her an email on Facebook:

ME: NICKNAME I CREATED. Caiprinhas, we’re on…you’re buying the first round. LEAVE PHONE NUMBER.

Day and a half later, I get this response:

HER: NICKNAME SHE CREATED! hahaha how did you find me? i know i have been absent from the dance scene these couple of weeks. i just started a summer internship plus the world cup has been keeping my nights occupied 😛 how are things with you?

ME: NICKNAME…life is good, …World Cup, yah…except when North Korea plays Ivory Coast…nail-biter. Slovenia, is that really a country? Isn’t it just Croatia Junior?

Well NICKNAME one more chance to redeem yourself: Next Monday let’s meet up for class, followed of course by drinks, you can help me celebrate Fourth of July.

Haven’t received a response, but her friendly but figured her rather lukewarm reply to my initial outreach was worth one more shot. She never did leave her contact number. I haven’t yet received a reply but….Alpha enough and on the right track with this approach to asking out?

You’ve got self-awareness, but you sound like you’re trying too hard. First, hunting her down on Facebook is always going to seem stalkerish, no matter your intentions, and even if she gave you her full name. That was your first mistake; you are now the chaser. It would have been better to number close her the first night you danced together, while the iron — or in this case, the gina — was hot.

Always Be Escalating.

Don’t hesitate “to see whether there was interest”. That’s the sort of thing betas and brooding poets do.

Your emails then were doomed to sound like a guy trying to recapture an alpha frame that never really was. You needed to be less wordy, even curt to the point of assholery, to put her on her heels in the defensive crouch. For example:

YOU: [forget the cutesy nicknames. she is not yet worth your labored creativity] what are you doing on facebook? I thought you were different.

HER: NICKNAME SHE CREATED! hahaha how did you find me? i know i have been absent from the dance scene these couple of weeks. i just started a summer internship plus the world cup has been keeping my nights occupied 😛 how are things with you?

YOU: [screw the nicknames] stupendous. gotta go.  i’ll see you at the next dance class. wear something twirly.

This exchange is ambiguous enough that she’s not sure if you’re interested or not, so it robs her of the satisfying ego glow she would get from knowing she is being chased by a suitor during the week between the emails and the next class. This way, she shows up to the class just a little bit nervous, instead of overconfident in her sexual power. Now you have regained hand, and hand is the foreplay of the mind.

Challenge level: 3 (she’s basically a cold lead.)

Alpha level: 0 (the alpha force is weak in you, son.)

Summary judgment: You’d better hit on other girls in full view of her during the next dance class if you want to spark her attraction again. Practice your One Word Game.


Matt writes:

So Friday night I met this girl who just moved back to my country and when we let we both laughed because we had heard about each other (I don’t know what she has heard about me).
We hung out for the rest of the night. She and I would flirt a bit and I would neg her and she would punch me on the arm or give me little IoI’s.
Then at the most random time during us talking she just says

Her: Oh by the way I’m not going to fuck you.
Me: (confused look) Well you’re not really my time anyway.

And the conversation continues but she said it like three times that night.
She also gave me her business card.
I ended up sleeping over at her house with everyone from our group. But not with her.

The next day my Wing tells me every guy pretty much loves her. Great i’m just another AFC.

Today I see her in the park and chat with her for a few minutes nothing special really.

I’ve added her on facebook and now I’m wondering how do I get together with her if I can only message or email her? (Her phone number on her card isn’t from my country)
Do I even still have a chance with her?

A girl punching your arm is the metaphorical subconscious blurt of a clit flick. She wants it. You have only to refrain from sabotaging yourself at that point. But also note that there is a risk you are dealing with a superflirt. I don’t have enough context from your description to gauge whether she is nothing but a cockteasing attention whore.

When a girl wants it badly, her anti-slut defense will kick in autonomically, often at the most inopportune or random times. The “I’m not going to fuck you” line is a classic slut tell. The mere verbalization of the thought is evidence she most certainly is thinking about fucking you.

There are probably a number of ways to handle the preemptive fuck denial (PFD), but one that almost never fails is stone cold disqualification.

HER: oh by the way, i’m not going to fuck you.

YOU: [no confused look] phew! that’s a relief.

If she repeats herself again the same night, you can up the psychological ante.

HER: no , really, i’m not going to fuck you.

YOU: my girlfriend will be relieved you aren’t going to jump my bones.

Finally, you can call her bluff.

HER: i’m not going to fuck you tonight.

YOU: you know, if i didn’t know any better, i’d think you were dying to fuck me. try not to make it so obvious.

Or, if you think her buying temp is high, you could try this:

HER: i’m not going to fuck you tonight.

YOU: no, but you will kiss me. [lean in and go for it]

Despite the above suggestions, I think if you are getting a lot of PFDs from a chick, it is either evidence that she is an incorrigible and crude flirt, or she has the emotional development of a Twilight obsessed teen girl who can’t handle the arousal inflaming her labia. You’ll have to judge the difference, because dealing with a superflirt is radically different than dealing with a girl who actually wants to fuck you.

Challenge level: 2 (brass ring. so close.)

Alpha level: 3 (you nearly connected with your alpha chakra, but let transcendence slip through your grasp in the park.)

Summary judgment: Since your quarry was either a taunting superflirt or a wet and wild emotionally stunted slut, you had your hands full trying to navigate this female landscape. Props for the meager effort.


  1. CDC report – 1.1 million Americans between the ages of 25 and 40 are still virgins

    -Those who lose their virginity at a later age—and we are talking around 21 to 23 years old—are candidates for experiencing sexual dysfunctions later in life, according to researchers at Columbia University and the New York State Psychiatric Institute’s HIV Center for Clinical and Behavioral Studies.

    -Lower I.Q.’s are also correlated with lower rates of virginity. So perhaps it pays to be of average intelligence (at least in the bedroom).

    -The CDC also reports that by age 19, 80% of men and 75% of women have lost their virginity.

    -High school’s a prime setting for men to lose their virginity: the odds a man who has engaged in sexual activity had his first experience between the ages of 16 and 17 are 1 in 3.7. The odds the first time took place between 18 and 19 are lower, 1 in 4.35, and drop to 1 in 5.88 for those who waited until age 20 or older. And the odds a man aged 25-44 has had no female partners are 1 in 35.71. More women than men are likely to postpone losing their virginity, but during the teens and early 20s their odds follow the identical trajectory. However, by the time a woman enters the age range of 25-44, the odds she has had no male sexual partners are 1 in 58.82—so somewhere along the line women start outpacing men in shedding their virginity.

    -Math and Sciences majors have the highest rates of virginity. Studio Art had the lowest.


  2. on July 19, 2010 at 11:39 am Badger Nation

    “she likes you. shes my bestfriend. she has never & wouldnt ever do it to me. i can’t do it to her.”

    This is a huge difference between men and women…and probably explains why more men are successful in general. If there’s a prize, men have no problem competing over it. May the best man win, the phrase goes.

    Women have to stop and figure who “deserves” the prize – even though they all want it. Their self-interested desires are tempered by plaintive cries of “I saw him first!!!” People are supposed to put off their own risk, and their own chance at happiness, to prevent minor unhappiness in another member of the clucksterhood. One woman told me the statute of limitations against a guy another girl had so little as had a crush on was two years (!).

    This has several bad lessons in it:
    1. An authority figure is supposed to figure out who should get rewarded; you are not supposed to justify rewards by winning them yourself.
    2. An authority figure is supposed to protect against hurt feelings (again, not how the real world works).
    3. Risk is not to be taken unless it’s sanctified by the group, in which case it’s not very risky.


  3. on July 19, 2010 at 11:41 am Vincent Ignatius

    Practice your One Word Game.

    This has been one of the most useful pieces of practical advice from this blog. I use it in text and spoken conversation now and it just makes girls qualify themselves more. They interpret your silence as them failing to impress you.


  4. Badger Nation, what a super-crap comment. bull






  5. on July 19, 2010 at 11:50 am Badger Nation


    Thanks for the constructive, lucid criticism!


  6. You could get rich by charging for this!


  7. You’re awesome, Roissy. lol.


  8. So true about the arm punching…

    I was drinking at a friends a few weeks back, and his older cousin brought around his 13 year old daughter and her friend.

    They were both punching and slapping my arm all night while giggling. I did absolutely NOTHING to provoke it, I’m 28 years old for crying out loud.

    Made me a bit uncomfortable to be honest, as people were giving me this look that said “Don’t you even THINK about acting on it, buddy”.

    16 is the age of consent where I am, I’m pretty sure I could bring myself to tap that… but 13?! No way.


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    “[V]irtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government.” George Washington

    “Can it be that Providence has not connected the permanent felicity of a nation with its virtue? ” George Washington

    “[T]here is no truth more thoroughly established, than that there exists . . . an indissoluble union between virtue and happiness.” George Washington

    “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness — these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles.” George Washington

    “The aggregate happiness of the society, which is best promoted by the practice of a virtuous policy, is, or ought to be, the end of all government . . . .” George Washington

    “Human rights can only be assured among a virtuous people. The general government . . . can never be in danger of degenerating into a monarchy, an oligarchy, an aristocracy, or any despotic or oppresive form so long as there is any virtue in the body of the people.” George Washington

    “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.” Benjamin Franklin

    “Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power.” Benjamin Franklin

    “A nation as a society forms a moral person, and every member of it is personally responsible for his society.” Thomas Jefferson

    “No government can continue good but under the control of the people; and . . . . their minds are to be informed by education what is right and what wrong; to be encouraged in habits of virtue and to be deterred from those of vice . . . . These are the inculcations necessary to render the people a sure basis for the structure and order of government.” Thomas Jefferson

    “It is in the manners and spirit of a people which preserve a republic in vigour. . . . degeneracy in these is a canker which soon eats into the heart of its laws and constitution.” Thomas Jefferson

    “[In a republic, according to Montesquieu in Spirit of the Laws, IV,ch.5,] ‘virtue may be defined as the love of the laws and of our country. As such love requires a constant preference of public to private interest, it is the source of all private virtue; for they are nothing more than this very preference itself… Now a government is like everything else: to preserve it we must love it . . . Everything, therefore, depends on establishing this love in a republic; and to inspire it ought to be the principal business of education; but the surest way of instilling it into children is for parents to set them an example.'” Thomas Jefferson: copied into his Commonplace Book.

    “When virtue is banished, ambition invades the minds of those who are disposed to receive it, and avarice possesses the whole community.” Montesquieu (written by Thomas Jefferson in his Common Place Book).

    “Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition.” Thomas Jefferson

    “Liberty . . . is the great parent of science and of virtue; and . . . a nation will be great in both always in proportion as it is free.” Thomas Jefferson

    “The order of nature [is] that individual happiness shall be inseparable from the practice of virtue.” Thomas Jefferson

    “Without virtue, happiness cannot be.” Thomas Jefferson

    “The institution of delegated power implies that there is a portion of virtue and honor among mankind which may be a reasonable foundation of confidence.” Alexander Hamilton

    “To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical idea.” James Madison

    “The aim of every political Constitution, is or ought to be first to obtain for rulers men who possess most wisdom to discern, and most virtue to pursue, the common good of society; and in the next place, to take the most effectual precautions for keeping them virtuous whilst they continue to hold their public trust.” James Madison

    “. . . Virtue, morality, and religion. This is the armor, my friend, and this alone that renders us invincible. These are the tactics we should study. If we lose these, we are conquered, fallen indeed . . . so long as our manners and principles remain sound, there is no danger.” Patrick Henry

    “Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom. No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles.” Patrick Henry

    “The only foundation of a free Constitution, is pure Virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People, in a great Measure, than they have it now. They may change their Rulers, and the forms of Government, but they will not obtain a lasting Liberty.” John Adams
    “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our constitution as a whale goes through a net.” John Adams
    “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams

    “Liberty can no more exist without virtue and independence than the body can live and move without a soul.” John Adams

    “Public virtue cannot exist in a nation without private, and public virtue is the only foundation of republics.” John Adams

    “[I]t is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue.” John Adams

    “The laws of man may bind him in chains or may put him to death, but they never can make him wise, virtuous, or happy.” John Adams

    “Statesmen, my dear Sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone, which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free Constitution is pure virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People in a greater Measure than they have it now, they may change their rulers and the forms of government, but they will not obtain a lasting liberty.” John Adams

    “Honor is truly sacred, but holds a lower rank in the scale of moral excellence than virtue. Indeed the former is part of the latter, and consequently has not equal pretensions to support a frame of government productive of human happiness.” John Adams

    “Human nature itself is evermore an advocate for liberty. There is also in human nature a resentment of injury, and indignation against wrong. A love of truth and a veneration of virtue. These amiable passions, are the “latent spark”… If the people are capable of understanding, seeing and feeling the differences between true and false, right and wrong, virtue and vice, to what better principle can the friends of mankind apply than to the sense of this difference?” John Adams

    “Our liberty depends on our education, our laws, and habits . . . it is founded on morals and religion, whose authority reigns in the heart, and on the influence all these produce on public opinion before that opinion governs rulers.” Fisher Ames

    “It is certainly true that a popular government cannot flourish without virtue in the people.” Richard Henry Lee

    “Whenever we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.” Thomas Paine

    “[N]either the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend of the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who, so far as his power and influence extend, will not suffer a man to be chosen onto any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man.” Samuel Adams

    “The diminution of public virtue is usually attended with that of public happiness, and the public liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals.” Samuel Adams

    “[M]en will be free no longer then while they remain virtuous.” Samuel Adams

    “No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and Virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders.” Samuel Adams

    “A general dissolution of the principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy…. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but once they lose their virtue, they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader…. If virtue and knowledge are diffused among the people, they will never be enslaved. This will be their great security.” Samuel Adams

    “No people can be great who have ceased to be virtuous.” Samuel Johnson

    “No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people, but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality and virtue, and by frequent recurrence to fundamental principles.” George Mason

    “[A] free government . . . cannot be supported without Virtue.” Samuel Williams

    “In selecting men for office, let principle be your guide. Regard not the particular sect or denomination of the candidate — look at his character. It is alleged by men of loose principles, or defective views of the subject, that religion and morality are not necessary or important qualifications for political stations. But the scriptures teach a different doctrine. They direct that rulers should be men who rule in the fear of God, men of truth, hating covetousness. It is to the neglect of this rule that we must ascribe the multiplied frauds, breaches of trust, speculations and embezzlements of public property which astonish even ourselves; which tarnish the character of our country and which disgrace our government. When a citizen gives his vote to a man of known immorality, he abuses his civic responsibility; he not only sacrifices his own responsibility; he sacrifices not only his own interest, but that of his neighbor; he betrays the interest of his country.” Noah Webster

    “…if the citizens neglect their Duty and place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be corrupted; laws will be made, not for the public good so much as for selfish or local purposes; corrupt or incompetent men will be appointed to execute the Laws; the public revenues will be squandered on unworthy men; and the rights of the citizen will be violated or disregarded.” Noah Webster

    “Let a man’s zeal, profession, or even principles as to political measures be what they will, if he is without personal integrity and private virtue, as a man he is not to be trusted.” John Witherspoon

    “… the manners of the people in general are of the utmost moment to the stability of any civil society. When the body of a people are altogether corrupt in their manners, the government is ripe for dissolution.” John Witherspoon

    “So true is this, that civil liberty cannot be long preserved without virtue.” John Witherspoon

    “… but a republic once equally poised, must either preserve its virtue or lose its liberty, and by some tumultuous revolution, either return to its first principles, or assume a more unhappy form.” John Witherspoon

    “A country cannot subsist well without liberty, nor liberty without virtue.” Jean Jacques Rousseau

    “Machiavelli, discoursing on these matters, finds virtue to be so essentially necessary to the establishment and preservation of liberty, that he thinks it impossible for a corrupted people to set up a good government, or for a tyranny to be introduced if they be virtuous; and makes this conclusion, ‘That where the matter (that is, the body of the people) is not corrupted, tumults and disorders do not hurt; and where it is corrupted, good laws do no good:’ which being confirmed by reason and experience, I think no wise man has ever contradicted him.” Algernon Sidney

    “[L]iberty cannot be preserved, if the manners of the people are corrupted . . .” Algernon Sidney

    “[A]ll popular and well-mixed governments [republics] . . . are ever established by wise and good men, and can never be upheld otherwise than by virtue: The worst men always conspiring against them, they must fall, if the best have not power to preserve them. . . . [and] unless they be preserved in a great measure free from vices . . . .” Algernon Sidney

    “Fruits are always of the same nature with the seeds and roots from which they come, and trees are known by the fruits they bear: as a man begets a man, and a beast a beast, that society of men which constitutes a government upon the foundation of justice, virtue, and the common good, will always have men to promote those ends; and that which intends the advancement of one man’s desire and vanity, will abound in those that will foment them.” Algernon Sidney

    “[I]f vice and corruption prevail, liberty cannot subsist; but if virtue have the advantage, arbitrary power cannot be established.” Algernon Sidney

    “If the public safety be provided, liberty and propriety secured, justice administered, virtue encouraged, vice suppressed, and the true interest of the nation advanced, the ends of government are accomplished . . .” Algernon Sidney

    “[L]iberty without virtue would be no blessing to us.” Benjamin Rush

    “Without virtue there can be no liberty.” Benjamin Rush

    “The only foundation for… a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.” Benjamin Rush

    “No free government can stand without virtue in the people, and a lofty spirit of partiotism.” Andrew Jackson

    “Lastly, our ancestors established their system of government on morality and religious sentiment. Moral habits, they believed, cannot safely be on any other foundation than religious principle, nor any government be secure which is not supported by moral habits.” Daniel Webster

    “[I]f we and our posterity reject religious instruction and authority, violate the rules of eternal justice, trifle with the injunctions of morality, and recklessly destroy the political constitution which holds us together, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us, that shall bury all our glory in profound obscurity.” Daniel Webster

    “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
    Horace Greely

    “What is liberty without wisdom and without virtue? It is the greatest of all possible evils; for it is folly, vice, and madness, without tuition or restraint.” Edmund Burke

    “Among a people generally corrupt liberty cannot long exist.” Edmund Burke

    “Manners are of more importance than laws. Upon them in great measure the laws depend. The law touches us but here and there, and now and then. Manners are what vex and smooth, corrupt or purify, exalt or debase, barbarize or refine us, by a constant, steady, uniform, insensible operation, like that of the air we breathe in. They give their whole form and color to our lives. According to their quality, they aid morals, they support them, or they totally destroy them.” Edmund Burke

    “It is better to cherish virtue and humanity, by leaving much to free will, even with some loss of the object , than to attempt to make men mere machines and instruments of political benevolence. The world on the whole will gain by a liberty, without which virtue cannot exist.” Edmund Burke

    “Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their appetites; in proportion as their love of justice is above their rapacity; in proportion as their soundness and sobriety of understanding is above their vanity and presumption; in proportion as they are more disposed to listen to the counsel of the wise and good, in preference to the flattery of knaves. Society cannot exist unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere, and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.” Edmund Burke

    “Among a people generally corrupt liberty cannot long exist.” Edmund Burke

    “[T]he very best forms of government are vain without public virtue . . . .”
    William A. Cocke

    “No polity can be devised which shall perpetuate freedom among a people that are dead to honor and integrity. Liberty and virtue are twin sisters, and the best fabric in the world . . . .” James H. Thornwell

    “[P]erfect freedom consists in obeying the dictates of right reason, and submitting to natural law. When a man goes beyond or contrary to the law of nature and reason, he . . . introduces confusion and disorder into society . . . [thus] where licentiousness begins, liberty ends.” Samuel West

    “When was public virtue to be found when private was not?” William Cowper

    “The laws by which the Divine Ruler of the universe has decreed an indissoluble connection between public happiness and private virtue, whatever apparent exceptions may delude our short-sighted judgments, never fail to vindicate their supremacy and immutability.” William Cabell Rives

    “Unless virtue guide us our choice must be wrong.” William Penn

    “If men be good, government cannot be bad.” William Penn

    “The life of the nation is secure only while the nation is honest, truthful and virtuous.” Frederick Douglas

    “[R]eligion, morality and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall be forever encouraged.” Northwest Ordinance of 1787

    “I consider the domestic virtue of the Americans as the principle source of all their other qualities. It acts as a promoter of industry, as a stimulus to enterprise and as the most powerful restraint of public vice. . . . No government could be established on the same principle as that of the United States with a different code of morals.” Francis Grund

    “The American Constitution is remarkable for its simplicity; but it can only suffice a people habitually correct in their actions, and would be utterly inadequate to the wants of a different nation. Change the domestic habits of the Americans, their religious devotion, and their high respect for morality, and it will not be necessary to change a single letter in the Constitution in order to vary the whole form of their government.” Francis Grund

    “History fails to record a single precedent in which nations subject to moral decay have not passed into political and economic decline. There has been either a spiritual awakening to overcome the moral lapse, or a progressive deterioration leading to ultimate national disaster.” Douglas MacArthur

    “[Liberty] considers religion as the safeguard of morality, and morality as the best security of law and the surest pledge of the duration of freedom.” Alexis de Tocqueville

    “I sought for the greatness and genius of America in her comodious harbors and her ample rivers, and it was not there; in her fertile fields and boundless prairies; and it was not there; in her rich mines and her vast commerce, and it was not there. Not until I visited the churches of America and heard her pulpits aflame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.” An old adage attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville.

    “Somehow strangely the vice of men gets well represented and protected but their virtue has none to plead its cause — nor any charter of immunities and rights.” Henry David Thoreau

    “To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society.” Theodore Roosevelt

    “We have never stopped sin by passing laws; and in the same way, we are not going to take a great moral ideal and achieve it merely by law.” Dwight D. Eisenhower

    “No government at any level, or at any price, can afford, on the crime side, the police necessary to assure our safety unless the overwhelming majority of us are guided by an inner, personal code of morality. And you will not get that inner, personal code of morality unless children are brought up in a family — a family that gives them the affection they seek, that makes them feel they belong, that guides them to the future, and that will build continuity in future generations. . . . the greatest inequality today is not inequality of wealth or income. It is the inequality between the child brought up in a loving, supportive family and one who has been denied that birthright.” Lady Margaret Thatcher

    “A state is nothing more than a reflection of its citizens; the more decent the citizens, the more decent the state.” Ronald Reagan

    “Today it would be progress if everyone would stop talking about values. Instead, let us talk, as the Founders did, about virtues.” George Will

    “The ultimate success of this government and the stability of its institutions, its progress in all that can make a nation honored, depend upon its adherence to the principles of truth and righteousness.” John Lord

    “Righteousness exalteth a nation.” Proverbs 14:34


    The neocon reads
    “Righteousness exalteth a nation.” and then concludes
    “Butthex declineth a nation.” and tehy take t publishing promotiing secretive tapers of asscocking sessionsss lzozllzlz


  11. on July 19, 2010 at 12:15 pm greatbooksformen

    Top Searches on my blog

    greatbooksformen, great books for men, gbfm, fiat butthex, gbfm blog


  12. Feriand, shhh troll.


  13. Oh, that reminds me…

    Roissy, without derailing the comments, I have been dying to ask… do you believe in GBFM’s “conspiracy theory”?

    You know, about the banks trying to destroy families. globalization. Women’s lib being nothing but a tool to transfer men’s wealth. Sexualisation of children to turn everyone into raging sluts ect?

    And GBFM, before you jump in and call me a faggot… I like you bro, and I believe in a lot of what you say, but I can’t seem to swallow it all yet (hah!)… it’s just a whole other level of the matrix!


  14. on July 19, 2010 at 12:35 pm Badger Nation


    Oh Jesus. Like watching a drive-by shooting. It’s not even beta, it’s just, something else.

    Controlling, protective or best-friendly mothers have just got to learn to let go. I wonder if she realizes she’s pushing away lots of good women who have no interest in competing with her for his attention or having her as a mother-in-law.

    A mama’s boy is almost as bad as a girl saying you are a “nice guy…” Mama’s boy moms are just as bad as daddy’s little girl dads.

    In one of Dr. Laura’s books she described doing family therapy sessions with husband and wife, and husband’s mom, who described the wife as “that BITCH who took my son away.”


  15. what are you doing on facebook? I thought you were different.

    I m stealing that line!


  16. Best advice all the time:

    Avoid mistakes by keeping communication short.

    Always be blunt and snarky.

    Roissy has the right attitude.

    If you want to bed her, don’t be her instant friend.


  17. I’m sorta-kinda involved with a really nice 7/10 girl, but she has an 8 friend.

    If the girl is “really nice”, why are you so intent on getting with the 8? I know men value physical beauty more than anything, but surely other aspects matter.

    Other than that, more fantastic insight into the female psyche.


  18. “Don’t hesitate “to see whether there was interest”. That’s the sort of thing betas and brooding poets do.”

    Good shit. I think i’ve been slipping into that lately.


  19. […] on Game continue unabated, with both sides kind of missing the point, buts fun to watch the flailing by everyone involved. Eh, guess that’s all I’ve got for now. from → State Of The World […]


  20. on July 19, 2010 at 1:20 pm greatbooksformen


    Oh, that reminds me…

    Roissy, without derailing the comments, I have been dying to ask… do you believe in GBFM’s “conspiracy theory”?

    You know, about the banks trying to destroy families. globalization. Women’s lib being nothing but a tool to transfer men’s wealth. Sexualisation of children to turn everyone into raging sluts ect?

    And GBFM, before you jump in and call me a faggot… I like you bro, and I believe in a lot of what you say, but I can’t seem to swallow it all yet (hah!)… it’s just a whole other level of the matrix!”


    google nancy levant feminist bankers lzozlzlzozlzlz

    google henry makow feminsit bankers lzozlzozoz

    dude you are one of those guys glowskull

    that as the pee is coming down on you

    all wet and yellow ad warm

    splashing in your mouth
    splish spalsh splish spalsh it tastse like pee!
    it feels like pee and smells like pee! yuck pee in my mouth! lzozlzlzl

    and then you conclude
    after seeing feeling tasing the pee

    you go “check it out it’s rianing out today!” lzozlzlzozlzozozlzlz

    and you apologize

    to the fiat debt based benernake masters

    for ever thinking that it was pee



    call it what you will

    but for secrteiev tapings of butthexers to get published and promoted and heralded in teh weekly standardth, a lot of stuff has to ahppen.

    1) the girls anuth must be lubricated
    2) the serctive taper of butthexer must convince the girl to let him buthex her iwthout letting her know his firend is taping it secretly.
    3) nice, but aging and out of touch, neocn ladies must repeat tucker max’s lies in the pages of the weekly standardth lzozlzzo
    4) priscila painton of sodom and shucster must wire tucker max hundreds of thosuands of beranke dolalrs for hus butthexing publicity stusnts which just so happen to debauch girls anuses alongside the cultrue and currency and desoul women and render them unmarriagaaballelozlzozlzlzozlzl unless you’re an ididot who wants to marry deosuled women who is ore loyal to the fiat bernanke dolalrs than god chirldern man husband as tehy butthexed the religion away read sodom and gomorah lsolsosozlzozlzoo butthex is how they butthex it all away at simon and schuster sodom and schuster lzozlzozlzlzozozozozoz

    all of the above must happen

    and of course somebody’s goytta print teh undreds of thousands of dolalrs prcisiclla painton wires send to the enocnes favorite butthexual her and favorite son of ebrnake/allen lzozlzozozlzozozozozozlz

    and you mane to tell me that that yellow water in your mouth which tastes like smells like dfeels like is pee is just water?



  21. How’s this?

    HER: i’m not going to fuck you tonight.

    YOU: (mock frustration) that’s what all the girls say to me (pause)… right before they fuck me.

    Would that work?


  22. Oh, and thanks for bringing back cigstache.


  23. on July 19, 2010 at 1:48 pm Sir_Chancealot

    To those that don’t believe some of the stuff GBFM says:

    When you hear the government doing some really stupid thing, ask yourself “If I wanted to destroy marriage/the middle class/jobs/wealth, could I do anything more destructive than what they just did?” That will answer a lot of questions.


  24. On a different note, I did something today I haven’t done in ages–bought an MSM paper. The Washington Post’s story on the intelligence community in America is a necessary and terrifying read. The online version was fragmented and presented in an odd way, so this is one of the few occasions where I recommend buying a hard copy of a news source.

    Read it and weep; then start taking classes with On Point Tactical.


  25. on July 19, 2010 at 2:11 pm The Rational Male

    The last time a chick pulled the “You know we aren’t having sex tonight” line on me I figured out exactly how to handle it.

    The key is CONTROL. she wants to fuck you, but she needs to be absolved of responsibility.

    What did I do? Well, after her asking me to drop her off so she could get a hotel room (she was tipsy and lived 45 minutes away) and told me that I am “welcome to stay but we aren’t having sex”, I said fuck it and said “get in the car, we’re going to my place”.

    “Okay, but we aren’t having sex”.

    “Just get in”.

    As soon as we got out of the car she did a 180. The first thing she said is “You have a nice ass for a white boy” **squeeze**

    We get inside, I pour her a drink and we go out to the balcony. I walk up behind her and she wiggles her ass right into my crotch. SHE became the aggressor.

    You can figure out how the rest of the night went….

    Point is, all I had to do was take control and put her in a position where she didn’t have to accept responsibility. As soon as I did that, “We aren’t having sex tonight” turned into her basically attacking me.


  26. on July 19, 2010 at 2:31 pm David Rockefeller

    Feriand’s right.

    Men are far less likely to fuck a friend’s GF. Why risk the friendship over a piece of ass? Hell, many guys won’t fuck a friend’s ex-GF.

    Girls, on the other hand, love to fuck a friend’s BF. Yeah, the friend will be pissed. But she’ll get over it and the friendship will resume (if it was even suspended at all).

    Date a girl who graduated from an all-girl private school. Like National Cathedral or Foxcroft or Madeira. Ask her about the gaggle of friends she saw every day for 4, 6, even 8 years. The first thing you’ll hear is how her friends were bitches because they’d fucked her BF. But while the BF is a long-forgotten jerk off, the female friends will still be her closest friends years after graduation.

    And if she’s honest (or drunk), she’ll cop to having fucked her friends’ BFs.


  27. Roissy et al,

    I’ve recently been in a similar situation to Matt (the last one). I was out with a couple guy friends at a bar last weekend when one of his former fuck buddies and a friend of hers showed up. Me and him are tight and he vouched for me. I had never met her (his ex-FB) before, but we knew of each other (through facebook). He introduced us and without going into details, let’s just say she was initiating 50% of the convo, initiated over 50% of the kino, and was definitely into me. My friend left and shortly thereafter, while we were doing our thing she blurted out “you know I can’t hook up with you or XX (other friend who was there) because I hooked up with YY (my friend who was her former FB)”. Out of nowhere. At one point she gave me her number. Long story short when I was heading home out of the bar she walked me out and kissed me (lips), but then immediately said “I’m not going to make out with you”.

    Fast forward a few days, then a week. I texted her a couple times asking if she wanted to come hang at my pool, to which she would reply that is sounds like a good time, but that was busy doing XX or YY, and would take a raincheck, but never counter-offered.

    Needless to say I’m not going to contact her again, but I want to make sure I’m not missing any lessons from this interaction. I may be completely off base here, but her walking me out could have been her just checking to see if I was leaving with another girl .. or not, perhaps I should have made more of a move then? Even though I think I told her to come hang with me at some point that night. Should I have pushed more that night? Superflirt?


  28. on July 19, 2010 at 2:39 pm CrimsonRide

    Unrelated, but Roissy needs to troll this asshat:

    This guy is Amanda Marcotte’s bf (yes, the community college educated chick who was kicked out of the Edwards Campaign)

    More of his awfulness:


  29. [no confused look] phew! that’s a relief.

    Classic Dr. House game.


  30. on July 19, 2010 at 2:45 pm Cannon's Canon

    a cokehead offering a hummer for your dimebag

    coke bags for ten dollars? you’re definitely not in DC anymore


  31. on July 19, 2010 at 2:58 pm Ct. Von Orth



  32. on July 19, 2010 at 3:32 pm Cannon's Canon


    flippant, a modern-day “Who is John Galt?”


  33. When she says “I won’t fuck you” for the third time, how about saying “Who are you trying to convince, you or me?”
    How would that come across?
    I am always trying to learn from this and other blogs.


  34. Greatbooksformen is right. Men of the game should not have girlfriends.

    After all, what’s the difference between a cheated-on alpha and cheated-on beta?


  35. “Well NICKNAME one more chance to redeem yourself: Next Monday let’s meet up for class, followed of course by drinks, you can help me celebrate Fourth of July.”

    This type of car salesman / hard close game never works, yet so many guys keep doing it. In fact it makes it IMPOSSIBLE for the girl to accept your date if she has just an ounce of self-respect. Why would a girl would want to “redeem” herself to a guy she talked to for a few minutes in a bar? It’s a silly technique.

    If you’re thinking of which Jedi mind trick to use on a girl you want to get out, you’re not getting her out.


  36. on July 19, 2010 at 4:46 pm Vincent Ignatius

    When she says “I won’t fuck you” for the third time, how about saying “Who are you trying to convince, you or me?”

    This is a line that I’ve used in other situations and it always go over well. The look on the girl’s face changes to a more aroused and submissive look. You just straight up called her on her bullshit.
    In this situation, I usually agree with something like “Why are you talking about sex? I need to get back soon.”


  37. Ah, how I’ve missed Roissy Original.


  38. Always reverse and amplify.

    No guarantees, either. Roosh is right, there’s no Jedi mind trick.


  39. Here is my advice to David, walawala, Matt and others. Do you want to get laid and to do it often, this is what you have to do:

    1) Buy arms.
    2) Get training into arms. Do bodybuilding. Become a soldier. There is nothing more alpha than a soldier.
    3) Walk down on the streets half naked, wearing just military boots, pants and a bullet belt, grow your beard and hair just like in the 70s, carry you MK 16 on your shoulder.
    4) Invite other men to follow you.
    5) Go with your men into female crowded places: clubs, bars, parties, you name it.
    6) Women fall for power and danger. They know power and danger when they see it. Only by falling to a dangerous man can they protect themselves from him because they can give him sex.
    7) When you enter the female crowded place, you will automatically become the alphas of the place. All the rich men, all the natural alphas, all the PUAs cannot stand in front of the power of the raw manliness mixed with the power of your arms and with the danger.
    8) Once you’re there, you can chose any female. Take 2 and 3, then give 2 or 3 to your followers, you have to satisfy your follower, a good leader is someone who takes care of his men.
    9) Once you have the chicks, take them home. They will do whatever you want. You have the power. Build a harem.

    damm it! what am i saying! all this is against the law!

    but wait! doesn’t this sound more like the future? isn’t it Roissy?

    well, at least this is how we used to do it in war-time Lebanon.


  40. OT: A couple of strange stories from TimesOfIndia:
    Why women have sex:
    Apparently because they are bored.

    Women are most attractive at 31:
    (Men and lots of women surveyed, hmm, did that skew the results?)


  41. Ovid,

    Nice try but I think that would reek of over-confidence/over-effort and she’d see right through it. Though you might be able to pull it off if you’re half-kidding. Or you could truncate it:

    “They ALL say that…” [trailing off, rolling eyes]

    and let her fill in the blanks.


  42. on July 19, 2010 at 5:46 pm The Rational Male

    “When she says “I won’t fuck you” for the third time, how about saying “Who are you trying to convince, you or me?”
    How would that come across?
    I am always trying to learn from this and other blogs”

    1) If she says she isn’t fucking you three times she is practically BEGGING for your cock. Classic example of why you should never let the words that come out of a woman’s mouth guide your actions.

    2) Women live in a world of fantasy and sub-communication. When she says “We aren’t having sex tonight” she is sub-communicating her desire to have sex with you. A worthy man will pick up on this and plow through the shit test. You need to fight fire with fire. Saying “Who are you trying to convince, you or me?” does not accomplish that goal. You are trying to bring her into a rational state. The goal is to keep her in her fantasy state and manipulate the situation to a favorable outcome.

    3) If she repeats this multiple times she’s just looking for an excuse to fuck you. All you have to do is find a way to place the accountability on YOUR shoulders so she can tell herself (and her friends) that she didn’t have a choice. All you need is a thinly veiled reason to get her alone.


  43. Nestorius…continue…


  44. Now that I’ve added GBFM’s post into my booklist at Goodreads, and can say that Badger, that was an astute comment you made early on regarding women needing authority figures.


  45. on July 19, 2010 at 6:46 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””on July 19, 2010 at 11:41 am Vincent Ignatius
    Practice your One Word Game.

    This has been one of the most useful pieces of practical advice from this blog. I use it in text and spoken conversation now and it just makes girls qualify themselves more. They interpret your silence as them failing to impress you.

    Yea caveman game. All about fucking.

    Yea much better frame than politics he he he

    Just enjoy the pussy and have as good a time as you can.


  46. Here’s an article that confirms most of Roissy’s theories, and is chock-full of his buzzwords. Titled “Sex and the City fan beds 1,000 men,” we hear about Christina Saunders sexual history.

    At the age of 20, she set out on a “10 year challenge to get 1,000 notches on her bedpost” and got “hooked on the buzz of one-night-stands” but now, at the ripe old age of 30 cries “All I want is a man to love me – not one who just wants me for sex.”

    Is this not an example of a woman spending her younger, hotter, tighter years riding the alpha cock carousel, only hoping to find a beta provider to grab the hot potato?

    What’s even funnier is that she is the epitome of SWPL, the article claims how she “grew up in a five-bedroom house in Hertfordshire where she enjoyed riding her pony and visiting Ascot races and Henley regatta every year”

    Her profession? Nothing other than a HR/PR girl… “A year later she moved to Clapham, South-West London, and started working for a PR firm.”

    Girls who like travelling to get that foreign alpha cock? “She met Russian Sasha, in his 50s, in Puerto Banus, Spain, in 2005 and had sex on his boat.” Oh yeah, she once also “slept with 15 men in a week in Ibiza.” That’s over two cockas per day!

    The most hilarious part is the ending… “Good friends stuck by me but others accused me of being a slut. I took things too far. Now all I want to do is settle down. I just hope I haven’t put men off.”

    We’ve got SWPL, HR/PR, Alpha-Cock Carousel, Fiat Butthex Matrix (SATC), Travelling, and I’ve probably missed a few.

    Roissy speaks the truth.


  47. @Roosh, R and Gorby

    Two things…great learnings here. Not surprising, this lead…dried up and I never did see or hear from her again.

    @Roosh, the “salesman” temptation requires a bit more self-awareness. There’s a fine-line between cocky and salesman. I’m trying to get that.

    I’ve since tightened things up: one/two word game: “Saturday, drinks”…

    Amped up the kino when I meet up.

    In online game, keeping it short and to set things up, then not contacting them until the time of the event.

    For any newbies reading this, don’t be discouraged. A lot of this is trial and error and working from abundance.

    This one didn’t work, but I’ve been gaming several others tightening my game.

    Some things that do work:

    1) one/two word game: “Saturday…” or “Saturday, drinks after.”

    You don’t have to ask the target girl to go, they will fill in the blanks. Each time I’ve used this, they’ve come out.

    2) Set up, then disappear in the interim, no contact until the night of the event.

    3) Pre-selection. Having other chicks at the event, party, dance. Ensures you’re not looking needy

    4) Trial-texting. There’s a post in here about that, works.

    Stuff that needs calibration:

    1) Cocky–avoid the temptation to over-game.

    2) salesman: yup. Make the suggestion in a few words, wait and move on.


  48. Anonymous, what do you want more?

    Buy arms. Learn how to use them. Parade with a colt gun on your waist or a MK 16 on your shoulder.

    Women moist for arms!! You don’t need game, you have the upper hand.

    arms = power + danger

    With an MK 16 on your shoulder, you can tell 3 sluts sitting on the same table “I love you, you and you”, and fuck the three of them wherever you want. Game over man!


  49. @Walawala,
    1) Cocky–avoid the temptation to over-game.

    If you’re going to err, err on the side of too cocky.

    Works better than less.

    And always disappear – with no contact – in the interim.


  50. @Gorby

    One tactical question: how do I avoid over-cockiness vs “salesman”

    Had this exchange:

    Her: You look good in a suit.

    Me: Pause. Smile. “I know”

    Her: Wide-eyed look followed by kind of shock and shyness.

    Too much?


  51. @walawala
    One tactical question: how do I avoid over-cockiness vs “salesman”

    Had this exchange:

    Her: You look good in a suit.

    Me: Pause. Smile. “I know”

    Her: Wide-eyed look followed by kind of shock and shyness.

    Too much?

    Not at all. It all depends on the delivery.

    The delivery is everything.


  52. on July 19, 2010 at 8:23 pm Badger Nation

    “I’m not fucking you tonight” sounds like a foreshadowing line from a porno.


  53. on July 19, 2010 at 8:23 pm Badger Nation

    as in, cut to the next scene…boom chicka boom boom chicka boom boom…


  54. Here, hold muh beer.


  55. Damn. I could have used that facebook game myself. That chick locked her facebook down so hard, she must have filed a restraining order against me too.


  56. Enough about game!


    Let’s hear more about politics!


  57. @Schmoe,

    That video makes me wanna call my cousin up for a DATE!


  58. Meanwhile, the funded-media keeps churning out BS but at least they are *trying* to refer to the things Roissy says without admitting that they *agree*:

    Anti-male WebMD article makes it seem like non-monogamous men need help like alcoholics:

    Here is a line that will make you instantly lose respect for WebMD as a website for adults:

    “The evolutionary argument, however, will only get you so far. One could argue that men also used to beat each other with clubs. But outside of some parts of the Bronx, this practice is generally frowned upon now. And there are no country songs about it. So the fact that many men do remain faithful seems to argue for a behavioral cure to what may be only partly a biological problem. Can counseling, for instance, get a man to stop cheating?”

    And that article was supposedly written by a male named Sean Elder.

    Another new article, also allegedly written by a “male” named John Cloud at the clueless Time Magazine says it is a “theory” that women start wanting sex more as they become less fertile but not entirely barren:

    The Science of Cougar Sex:,8599,2002838,00.html

    Read the comments where betas actually claim it is a plus to be able to have sex with women who are too old to get pregnant. That is like saying I want to drive a certain antique car because it is too slow for a crash to be fatal.


  59. on July 20, 2010 at 8:25 am French Connection

    My favorite response to “I’m not going to fuck you” is “I wasn’t going to let you”.

    Last weekend I’m out with this chick and she goes “what makes you think you’re getting laid tonight?”. I responded, “what makes you think you are?”.

    20 minutes later she asks if I want to come back to her place 🙂

    “You’re on Facebook? I thought you were different” is gold.


  60. The most hilarious thing about the slut article? The article itself. Here’s a chick who’se been fucked by a thousand men BRAGGING ABOUT IT IN PRINT and then wondering if it’s going to affect her chances.

    Sorry, babe, I don’t breed with retards.


  61. ttp://

    Basically, over the hill lonely women getting scammed by young men when they (the women) are away from their usual social constraints.

    Not really on topic here, but, just some food for thought about female psychology:

    If any young men are interested in seducing old women (45+), this article might be of interest.

    They like exotic men with white teeth.

    They are starved for affection and male attention.

    These women are as stupid as men. Actually, since they don’t even try to be rational (unlike men), they are much more stupid.

    They go for a straight up direct approach.

    These women consider themselves above average, to be sure, since they travel and are open to new experiences.

    They like the feeling of being special, since the local women don’t whore around like this.

    They are pathetic, loved starved discarded women. Maybe they should have gotten cats.


  62. To follow up my post about older women and young guys in the Middle East, we should all remember the Red Romeos sent by the East German intelligence service to seduce “middle aged” women in West Germany who worked in sensitive government agencies as low level clerks or secretaries.

    They used the exact same approach. Young, handsome man. Make them feel special, shower attention. Explode their passions. Bed them. Then, carefully get information from them and get them to give you sensitive documents. (“I work for an organization dedicated to world peace.”)

    The long serving head of the East German intelligence service later said that this operation was the thing he felt the most guilt over, this exploitation of older, love starved women.

    Really, for young guys who are not having too much success with young women, these ladies sound like a piece of cake. How would you meet them?


  63. How about a Shakespearean twist? “The lady doth protest to much, me thinks”.
    A good way to find out if she has any wit at all.


  64. […] The following is from his blog. Check it out here […]


  65. This girl punching your arm -> she being interested in you thing is a joke, right? Just wondering because some of my female friends do that to me when I’m on the roll doing dirty jokes, etc.


  66. on July 21, 2010 at 10:47 am Badger Nation

    “The long serving head of the East German intelligence service later said that this operation was the thing he felt the most guilt over, this exploitation of older, love starved women.”

    Really? He felt worse about seducing lonely women than he did about cribbing documents from them that would be used to prop up the oppressive Communist government and arrest innocent citizens for thoughtcrimes?


  67. on July 21, 2010 at 10:51 am Badger Nation

    How can Miss 1000 claim she has “seduced” men? It rapes the word to misuse it like this. I got news for you baby – there are more than enough desperate men who really don’t care what you look like. A woman doesn’t need any game to “seduce” a typical man. To call it a seduction is simply a misnomer.


  68. instead of I don’t care, just say “who cares?”


  69. When she says “I won’t fuck you” for the third time, how about saying “Who are you trying to convince, you or me?”
    How would that come across?

    Wrong frame. Try something like “yeah, we really shouldn’t”. And for the clueless out there, that’s not meant to be cold or dismissive.


  70. Update: Roissy, Gorby, anyone else:

    My dance scene provides excellent opportunities, so the one I submitted didn’t work out but I learned from it.

    Met another girl at a party: early 20’s, great body, 7, educated, artsy job, great English, loves to dance, quiet but confident.

    I cave man her the first day I meet her: “You look like you want to dance…”

    Turns out she loves dancing, the kino from dancing gets her attracted. I number close. We meet up at next dance night.

    After that: sparing one-word texts, act mysterious, kino when we meet.

    This week, she comes out on her own. We dance, hang out, then I suggest we go to a lounge for an after party drink she agrees.

    Everything by the book: kino escalation, get her talking, turn discussion to male-female attraction which she loves.

    Then…I go for the kiss.

    She turns her head says “no no”.

    I follow R’s advice, and ignore it, just keep talking and keep up kino.

    She responded to kino but not going for the kiss.

    We’re supposed to meet up Monday.

    I don’t think I was beta during this time, so what’s with the head turn resistance?

    My thinking: as this is a well-heeled girl and we’re having a drink at 2am, maybe her ASD went up.

    But she didn’t leave. But at the same time she seemed a bit nervous when we parted company, said “Ciao” and hopped into a cab.

    When I’ve gone for the kiss, it’s generally been a positive response, this time, it was the head turn.

    Thoughts? Next move?

    I’m thinking, I just meet up and proceed like nothing happened and go for it a gain at the right time or invite her to my place.


  71. @ R, Gorby, anyone else….

    Since this time, I’ve since met another chick in my dance scene, 20’s, educated, mature, cool, works in artsy job.

    My game is much tighter: one word texts, lots of kino, listening, DHV.

    Last night after our party, we go for drinks–the second time we’ve done this.

    it’s around 2am, we’re chatting about various things, I’m escalting kino, she’s digging it.

    Then I go for the sudden kiss…she resists says “nono…”

    I follow the advice her and continue talking like nothing happened.

    She didn’t resist the kino, but was a bit nervous after that.

    Not sure if the ASD was activated.

    We parted, she said ‘bye’ and rushed off after we closed the place.

    We’re set to meet up next week for a kind of Day 2 drinks, photo exhibit.

    Question to all you guys: So I escalate, go for it, she resists. What is next move?

    Is this a case where even though she was hestitant, she still appreciated the cave man, without warning go for it approach?

    I learned from my above beta approach so don’t think there was anything beta in my approach this time.


  72. on July 24, 2010 at 5:52 am gunslingergregi

    Your pretty much good. Although for her to resist kiss is odd if she is liking the kino. Might be too fast for her but yea if she shows next week then you should be gold. She may get nervous around you because she likes you and wants to go slow. She may have put you on a pedastal he he he


  73. on July 24, 2010 at 5:59 am gunslingergregi

    Or have you practiced your kino/touching woman for a couple hours each day for a couple years. You should. Then you don’t need to speak to a woman you met only touch her to get the escalation.


  74. on July 24, 2010 at 6:12 am gunslingergregi

    ”””Is this a case where even though she was hestitant, she still appreciated the cave man, without warning go for it approach?””””

    Hell yea otherwise on date two she gonna think your gay lol

    Because on date one you should have been kissing.

    It may have thrown her off.

    Cave man kisses woman within 5 minutes of talking after cave man recieves ioi that night she is at his place fucking. She says things like I have never done this before or your not like the other guys or I love you or she lets you do things to her that she has never done with anyone or whores fall in love with you, or you change prostitutes into good little girls and they voluntarily quit to be with you. Other woman look at your relationships and just drool. People say you are perfect.

    But yea I just realized it was date two.

    What people don’t realize is you did put the work in practicing touching woman for 100’s and 100’s of hours. Not natural but can be learned. The drive is what probably needs to be somewhat natural. But you can learn to touch better and yea thinking back I think it takes practice.


  75. on July 24, 2010 at 6:19 am gunslingergregi

    Oh I forgot the big one.

    She thanks god for having met you.

    out loud in front of you.

    That is when you know you have impressed her.


  76. on July 24, 2010 at 6:47 am gunslingergregi

    Other than that though your good she didn’t run out door right after attempted kiss and like I said if she shows for next date her pussy will more than likely be moisoned he he he


  77. I don’t recall having to overcome the I have a boyfriend hurdle. I suppose because I never recognized it.

    Her “I have a fiance”
    Me ” ”

    Her “I have a boyfriend”
    Me ” ”

    If the girl says, “Ok, I’ll come visit your house tonight, but NO SEX, ok?!” I just say “sure, sure, no sex”.

    In all cases just proceed as if she never made any objection. Any objection she makes, it’s just “sure, sure”, agree with words, but then pull her pants off later anyway. If she says STOP! “sure, sure”. Wait a moment, then pull her panties off.


  78. @Walawala,

    If your description of her behavior is accurate, then it’s ASD and shame or face Chinese – style: It sounds like Chinese shyness. Tastes very similar. Especially as she stayed with you.


  79. @Walawala:

    Cure: Time and patience and offer her some (limited) security, the idea that even if it’s just a passing fancy, she’s special.


  80. @Gorby…will update.

    Radio silence since then, but we’re supposed to meet up Monday.

    Maybe she’s doing that thing chicks here do where they freak out silently.

    It is an irony that they all say they want a dominant guy then they retreat when one makes a move.

    The playing it cool part serves 2 purposes I reckon–maintains the alpha frame and secondly gives that air of mystery.