The Depedestalization Shall Continue Until Morale Improves

AshleyMadison.com, the dating cheating website for married people, had the second-largest number of sign-ups on the day after Mother’s Day this year.

Momlogic has exclusively learned that 31,427 women signed up for AshleyMadison.com yesterday — which is over ten times the average number of women who typically sign up on any given Monday.

What are AshleyMadison’s first and third biggest recruitment days? If you guessed the days after Valentine’s Day and New Year’s Day respectively, you get a gold cocka.

This “day after” trend is nothing new to AshleyMadison.com: Their biggest day of the year for female signups is the day after Valentine’s Day, and their third-biggest day is the day after New Year’s.

Why are holidays like these such turning points for women? Noel Biderman, president and founder of AshleyMadison.com, says, “Because they have expectations — expectations that their partnership will be celebrated and even romanticized — but that is often not what transpires ….”.

Expectation is just low rent entitlement. Hey, men have expectations too!

Men expect —

Sex on demand. And in various contortionist positions.

A variety of vagina. The same old, same old ain’t cutting it.

A home-cooked, low carb and natural ingredient dinner ready for us when we get home.

Women to chill out about keeping the house squeaky clean all the time. A pile of socks isn’t gonna kill ya.

Lots of gifts, like TVs, golf clubs, and tube amps. Using your own money.

Women to grasp that romance suffers when it needs to be “celebrated” on phony pre-arranged, corporate-sponsored days of the year.

Welly well! The expectations game goes both ways. Of course, some of us can realize our expectations simply by avoiding those things which are most likely to leave them unfulfilled. Like, oh say, marriage and kids.

I wonder what expectations went umnet for cheating women post-Valentines’s Day and New Year’s? The rose stems too short? The hubby too beta? The midnight kiss shockingly askew, careening to the right of center lip?

Biderman (a married father of two) believes there are several reasons why women turn to AshleyMadison.com after Mother’s Day in particular:

– On Mother’s Day, women in general expect to be celebrated by their partners. However, for many already suffering from a lack of appreciation, this day represents a continuation of neglect and disappointment.

– Women have affairs for different reasons than men. Whereas men are usually looking for sex, women tend to seek attention that they’re not getting at home. This lack of attention often makes them feel undesirable — and feeds their need for validation. [Editor: Corollary: Men have affairs for different reasons than women. Whereas women are usually looking for emotional connection, men tend to seek the sex that they’re not getting at home. This lack of sex often makes them feel undesirable — and feeds their need for validation.]

Men should start coordinating their cheating after Father’s Day. That way, in case they are caught, they can tell their wives that their infidelity represented a culmination of neglect and disappointment and a lack of appreciation they felt on Father’s Day. And it’d be more true, because as far as I can tell Mother’s Day enjoys a lot more cultural significance than Father’s Day.

Last Mother’s Day, momlogic spoke with a woman who said that Mother’s Day ended her marriage. “I knew Mother’s Day was off to a bad start when my husband informed me the night before that the holiday had nothing to do with him and it should be between me and the kids. [Editor: Your husband was right.] In the morning, I was handed a cold cup of coffee by my husband. My card and gift were left downstairs. The card and gift had been bought hours earlier, after my husband asked me, “So, what do you want, anyway?” No thought, no advance planning, no special effort put forth at all. It was so disappointing. I chose to sleep on the couch that night. My husband chose to move out. Mother’s Day essentially marked the end of our marriage.”

So there you go, honored American father. Your wife and mother of your children is now justified in spreading her legs for strange cock because you gave her a cold cup of coffee in the morning and didn’t hand deliver the gifts to her as she lounged in bed.

Modern American married women — the most entitled, self-absorbed, selfish, egotistical collection of cunty harridans the world has ever known. Blessedly, I’ve learned one way to avoid the worst attitudes and character faults of American women: don’t marry them. Unmarried sexual relationships where the satisfaction of receiving the preciiiiiious ring of power is continually postponed do a pretty good job of deterring women’s most unwelcome compulsions.

Enough already with the holidays for wives and mothers. It’s time for real holidays for men. I propose a Patriarchy Day, sometime in August would be great. On that day, mom blogs, celebrity blogs, feminist blogs… in fact, the whole fucking internet… shuts their pie hole. In the sweet silence, only the gentle slurping sounds of hummers will be heard.





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  1. Girl you kill my love buzz!

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  2. Ugh. I don’t know if I want American women to stop being self entitiled bags so that more men want to marry, or if I want them to continue on so that there are more men who want to marry and WON’T marry American women, making the pool bigger for the rest of us.

    I’m a traditionalist. I don’t like the current state of our society. Either the women have to change or the men will…I hope the women do. Happy, stable marriages are fulfilling and the best way to raise children.

    Such a shame : /

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  3. This reminds me of “Chris Rock – Alimony”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAmeW8bq08k

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  4. on August 3, 2010 at 11:43 am Emma the Student

    Men have been cheating since the dawn of time, what’s the problem?

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  5. on August 3, 2010 at 11:45 am greatbooksformen

    lolozlzozllozl ever since the fed desouled womenz via secretive tapings of asscoking sessions funded promoted produced by the neoocns and converted them into wealth-transfer vehicles lzozlzzlzozozl womenz are to be used for bodily funcitions, kinda like a urinal, as you know dat a urinal WILL cheat on y9ou and accept the cock dangle from anothe rman next in line, just like today’s modern womenz but at least youdon’t gotta pay for the past use of a urianal like you doez with womenz you marry in a chucrch is fronting for teh fed’s divorce regime lzozlzozlzlozlzlo.

    anywayz speaking of urinals zlzozozlzlzl

    here’s roissy’s awesome post about implying your higher value:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/03/29/statements-that-imply-your-higher-value/#comments

    Statements That Imply Your Higher Value

    “You’re very brave to come over to talk with me.”

    “Your flirting is charming.”

    “As we’re sitting here talking I can tell you seem really happy.”

    “Wow! Don’t get too excited.” [Note: Not to be used sarcastically. That would be signaling lower value.]

    “Hmm. Your hands are shaking.” [Doesn’t matter if they’re not shaking. Use as part of palm reading routine.]

    “Hope I didn’t make you wait too long.” [Say after returning much later from talking with friends.]

    “Your answers tell me that you are drawn to men who break your heart.” [Use as part of love test routine.]

    “You have a… different… sense of humor/sense of style/way of looking at the world.”

    “You have a quirky personality. I have a friend — he’s been single a while; I guess he’s picky — who would totally get you.”

    “You’re not like most women. You seem like you want to know about me more than you want to talk about yourself.”

    “Your eyes are dancing.”

    “I have a confession to make. I forgot your name.” [You should say this to every girl at some point during the initial meet, regardless whether you remember her name. I have yet to experience a bad reaction from a girl when I said this.]

    “A lot of girls in this city come on too strong with men. I’m glad you can talk with me without getting weird.”

    “This is a pleasant surprise. You’re winning me over.”

    Saying any of these things to a girl during the course of a pickup will artfully communicate your higher status relative to hers, which will in turn prepare her body for copulation.

    PS: Try to use the word “girls” for women, and “men” for men, in your daily conversation.

    from http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/03/29/statements-that-imply-your-higher-value/#comments

    and here’s my rockin’ response in da roissy comment sections & shiznit:

    omg lozlzzllzzl!

    it is 2010!!

    i cannot believe you dc freakazoids are still talking to women?????

    you know how many cocks they’ve had in their mouths?? lzozlzlz!!

    you see that sperm dripping off her chin??

    and you’re worried about talking to her??

    do you know how the federal reserve /neocon machine has reprogrammed them to become useless cum dumpsters?

    a lawyer chick is first and foremost loyal to her boss, who is loyal to a fiat currency.

    of what use is she to you?

    so what if you neg her and pick her up and put some sperm on her/in her?

    worst case scenario she’ll have a kid and bankrupt you.

    best case scenario you won’t have to kiss her too long and taste teh man that came before you. get it? came before you.!!! lzozlzlzlzlzlzlzlzllzlzlzlzlzlzlz~!!!!

    any effort in strying to get cum dumpster to take your cum is wayyyyyyy too much effort.

    i mean do you try to get dumpsters to take your garbage by talkng to them and negging them?

    do you go up to a dumpster and say, You have a… different… sense of humor/sense of style/way of looking at the world.”

    do you talk to the dumpster out back and say, “You have a quirky personality. I have a friend — he’s been single a while; I guess he’s picky — who would totally get you.” before you throw the trash in it?

    do you talk you urinals before you relieve yourself in them?

    cumming is a biological function, like peeing.

    do you say this to a urinal, “This is a pleasant surprise. You’re winning me over?”

    do you guys neg urinals so as to get them to accept your pee?

    lozlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzl!

    lozlzlzlzlzllooooooozeers!!!

    lozlzlzl!!

    i just took a piss in a urinal and implied my higher value with these eloquent words, ““You’re not like most urinals. You seem like you want to know about me more than you want to talk about yourself.””

    lozzlzlzlzlzl! the other dude taking a piss looked at me with fear in his eyes. haha

    i looked at him and said, “beta dude–you’re lucky to even have a urinal i peed in just yesterday. lzozzlzlzllzzl!”

    omg!

    next time you want a urinal to accept your superiority and your piss too, try these lines on it:

    “You’re very brave to come over and let me pee in you.”

    “Your flushing is charming.”

    “As I’m standing here peeing I can tell you seem really happy.”

    “Wow! Don’t get too excited.” [Note: Not to be used sarcastically. That would be signaling lower value to teh urinal.]

    “Hmm. Your urinal cake is shaking.” [Doesn’t matter if it’s not shaking. Use as part of urinal cake reading routine.]

    “Hope I didn’t make you wait too long.” [Say after returning much later from talking with friends.]

    “Your answers tell me that you are drawn to men who pee on you.” [Use as part of love test routine.]

    “You have a… different… sense of humor/sense of style/way of looking at the world.”

    “You have a quirky personality. I have a friend — he’s been single a while; I guess he’s picky — who would totally pee in you.”

    “You’re not like most urinals. You seem like you want to know about me more than you want to talk about yourself.”

    “Your urinal cake is dancing. or it could just be my pee splish-splashin.”

    “I have a confession to make. I forgot your name.” [You should say this to every urinal at some point during the initial pee, regardless whether you remember her name. I have yet to experience a bad reaction from a urinal when I said this.] lozlzlzl!

    “A lot of urinals in this city come on too strong with men. I’m glad you can let me pee without getting weird.” omg rotfl!!!

    “This is a pleasant surprise. You’re winning me over.”

    lozlzlzlzlzlzlz!

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  6. Avoiding marriage is the best thing men can do for themselves.

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  7. Signing up for Ashley Madison right now.

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  8. Liked the “Lord of the Rings” reference

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  9. I agree with @Dream Puppy. Happy marriages are so rare and I want them to exist so badly.

    I think that celebrating love on a predetermined holiday is bogus BUT that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t celebrate it at all. I wonder if these women would feel differently if they had been given attention other days of the year. ALSO- if you’re not meeting a man’s expectations why the heck should he meet yours?

    Having low expectations is usually best.

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  10. Infidelity is even on the front page of CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/08/03/negotiated.infidelity/index.html?hpt=C2

    I was personally shocked to see the AshleyMadison commercial on TV. Morals are going to shit. That, and well-funded marketeering can influence anything.

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  11. @ The Truth… really? Maybe short term but not long term. I think there is a lot of happiness to be found in a FAMILY. (When done correctly) You’re part of one.. remember?

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  12. Señorita, my mom is old school from a non feminist country. She and my dad are happy together from what I can tell. These days, marriage is a losing proposal for most men. So it’s best that men avoid marriage, cohabitation and kids with western women from feminist countries.

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  13. Senorita,

    Happy relationships involve a submission of the I, for the We. Most self-involved men and women are unwilling to meet this condition and end up extremely unsatisfied.

    Making out in Central Park doesn’t make you compatible no matter what the sodomizers in Hollywood tell you.

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  14. @Anonymous

    No, don’t do that. Ashley Madison is a well known scam site that knows nobody will want to sue them with their real name (Google has made it hard for men to defend themselves publicly). Do *not* pay any money to them. Most of the women do not exist. Do a Google search about complaints to the BBB.

    While I am sure that women want to cheat more after those holidays, I am under the strong impression that the announcement is a PR stunt to lure unsuspecting males to pay to meet women that don’t exist.

    There are lots of places on the net to read about this:

    http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/62/P20/

    Here is one comment:

    “Ashley Madison is a brilliant scam. I’ve been a member for a couple of years (only because I’ve not used up all my credits). There are a FEW real ads from real women looking for real affairs. But that is the exception. If I were to guess, I would say that 5-10% of the ads from females are real; 90-95% are fakes. I did actually meet a real person through the site once, but I can assure you that these numbers are about right. Also, most of the real ads are not exactly people you would want to have an affair with…but that’s another story. The thing about Ashley Madison is that the company has absolutely no scruples when it comes to placing fake ads, giving free memberships to women just to get them to place ads, or having their employees “pose” as women in fake chats, etc. Because they know that no one is going to come forward publicly to sue them! Hopefully, the news will get out or maybe the press will expose”

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  15. @Jerry

    How do they know which are the real ads and which are the fake?

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  16. Even if that site were real, I hardly think that a fling with a stranger is going to give a woman the satisfaction she seeks from her LTR. Odds are that it will only compound her dissatisfaction, whether that dissatisfaction is justified or not.

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  17. Some friends of mine made up a guy’s version of Valentine’s Day and celebrate it every year. Their wives and girlfriends, being cool, participate. It’s called “Steak and Blowjob Day.”

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  18. Imagine if you’re a young American investment banker with a wife or girlfriend. She has a birthday week, a valentines day, and maybe even a mothers day. Your vacation days (0) can’t cover those female entitlement days. But you dug your own grave if you work in finance and got married or otherwise locked down early.

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  19. Jerry,

    Good info.

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  20. on August 3, 2010 at 12:05 pm greatbooksformen

    ^^^^^^

    dude fuckface

    fucktard ThinkingMan writes, ”

    Even if that site were real, I hardly think that a fling with a stranger is going to give a woman the satisfaction she seeks from her LTR. Odds are that it will only compound her dissatisfaction, whether that dissatisfaction is justified or not.”

    FUCKTARD!!

    IF SHE IS FUCKING OTHER MEN THEN IT IS NOT A LONG ETERM RELATIONSHIOP!!!

    soem of you men are ssooooooo stupid that i think your single moms who raised you put rat poision in your cereal i swear 2 fucking god the men of this generation, other than roissy, depress the FUCK out of me.

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  21. WARNING:

    Most women that post on dating sites aren’t there to find a partner or ‘find love.’

    Because the gender imbalance on these sites is so skewed, i.e. hundreds of males to every one average female, let alone a good-looking female, the women are bombarded with hundreds if not thousands of propositions giving them an instant ego boost.

    These women would never be able to bask in this kind of attention in the real world, and once they’ve got their fix, they rarely persue any offers(except if it’s an alpha male, thought those are quite scarce on dating sites). As Roissy has pointed out, this also makes them think they’re much hotter than they really are, so 5’s and 6’s could easily think they’re 8′ or 9’s.

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  22. Even the apologists for AM say that the presumably real women are inundated with massive amounts of messages from men, far in excess of the attention a great looking young woman on Match.com might get.

    I’ve not tried AM myself so I cannot say anything first hand. If I had tried it, I would say so. I haven’t lived in the USA for a decade.

    I do know that Adult Friend Finder is a scam.

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  23. on August 3, 2010 at 12:08 pm Ari Hinkelberger

    Whole fucking world is going to hell in a handbasket. I don’t see how marriage can survive 50 years from now. And to think that the chrisitan right sees the larry and homo joe as the enemy of this institution.

    The enemy is right before their eyes; the SWPA Woman.

    Whores.

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  24. that is some straight up depressing shit.
    it’s even worse than I thought.
    damn.

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  25. on August 3, 2010 at 12:19 pm greatbooksformen

    lozlzlozlollzlz

    yah when my wife signs up for ashley madison for just an ego boost yah dat is ok lzozlozlzlzzo

    den when she takes a cock up her ass in a setcrative neocns cocks asscocking sessions for an ego boost dat is ok too

    lzozlzloollzl

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  26. Ahhhhhhhh… tube amps…

    That… is true love.

    Sex is just the norm.

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  27. As long as the no fault divorce is allowed to go on, marriage as an institution will continue to decline. And any man foolish enough to get married in the modern era where the no fault divorce exists, is more than likely going to end up just another walking wallet chump. Too many horror stories out there of how ex-husbands were treated by the court system to make the choice for many men a no brainer.

    Who’s going to suffer in all of this? All of us actually.

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  28. Jerry – While I have a few complaints about Ashley Madison, it’s not a scam site. I’ve gotten laid plenty of times from it.

    Read my blog. It’s a documentation of some of these affairs. On the side bar, you’ll see a chapter for “Ashley Madison Tips.” I put a ton of advice there, including a post titled “Ashley Madison on the Cheap,” which will save you a few bucks.

    Numerically, Ashley Madison heavily favors women (the ratio is around 8 men for every 1 woman.) These bad odds are amplified if you are short or fat (since your stats are the first thing the women see) or if you’re a bad writer. So naturally, most men are going to strike out, just because the odds are so heavily against them. I imagine these are the guys complaining to BBB or wherever. Ashley Madison does indeed have some fake profiles, by the way, but they’re not as common as you might think and they’re pretty easy to spot (again, read my Tips Chapter.)

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  29. Jeery (again) – I just saw your second post. Adult Friend Finder isn’t a scam, either. They do have more fake profiles than Ashley Madison and they are more aggressive in “seeding” new members with fake messages (AM doesn’t do that at all, by the way, so long as you leave their “Marketing” checkbox unchecked.)

    But the site and the vast majority of the membership is very real. I’m positive of it. I suspect this is just a case of you having a lot of short, chubby, and illiterate friends being frustrated with their lack of success. 😉

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  30. So now I see a fundamental difference between the UK and USA.

    Over here, the UK, it is about mom and kids. The husband will disappear to see his mom, or if his kids are young, he’ll treat the family to a meal at most. It’s up to the kids with whatever allowance they have to appease Mother.

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  31. on August 3, 2010 at 12:27 pm Rant Casey BR

    Ahhh… tube amps.

    THAT is true love.

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  32. on August 3, 2010 at 12:27 pm Vincent Ignatius

    I call bull on this.

    Despite their one anecdote, I think women cheat on those days because they were treated TOO good the day before. Hubby showered her with affection and she thought to herself, “well if he likes me this much, then I can definitely get a better man” and the rationalization hamster went off and convinced her that she was far more desirable than she really was. Of course the little hamster gave her all sorts of reasons why her husband wasn’t doing enough, blah, blah, blah. I’m willing to bet skittles man wouldn’t have this problem.

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  33. Their wives and girlfriends, being cool, participate. It’s called “Steak and Blowjob Day.”

    how is this “being cool”? the fact that this needs a special day should be a sign that you wife or girlfriend is decidedly not cool. never allow a woman to turn sex into something special or a reward. once you go down that road, it’s hard to turn back. if you don’t have kids yet and your woman doesn’t want to constantly jump you, you are doing something wrong.

    likewise, roissy is right about the line between expectations and entitlements. the thing about entitlements is that people feel they are owed; therefore, there is no real gratitude. if you are in a relationship, do everything you can to minimize the expectations around the official holidays. act like adults and spend your money wisely. invest in your future together. don’t waste money on ridiculous baubles that she can show off to her yenta friends.

    if you want to do something nice for her, do it at a random time or at significant milestones in your relationship.

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  34. “I propose a Patriarchy Day, sometime in August would be great. On that day, mom blogs, celebrity blogs, feminist blogs… in fact, the whole fucking internet… shuts their pie hole. In the sweet silence, only the gentle slurping sounds of hummers will be heard.”

    Lol. Roissy always has to end it on a high note.

    The funniest shit is the bitch who claimed a cold cup of coffee and recently bought presents ended her marriage…. smh….

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  35. on August 3, 2010 at 12:33 pm (R)Evolutionary

    Roissy, great work as usual.

    This post demonstrates why the Citizen Renegade blog is the de facto HQ of the gamesphere–funny, pointed, well-written interpretation of solid science.

    More than that, it’s your tone and frame that set you apart from the other bloggers out there. Too many guys blog on game from a perspective of anger, bitterness, resentment, or even worse, bitter victimhood. Not the Chateau. Over here, it’s the image of a happy, empowered, mischeviously joyful child uncovering juicy new truths, new tools, new knowledge.

    I understand why some recovering betas get bitter–they’ve been burnt by hypergamous entitlement gina-tingle generated behaviors.

    Taking the red pill of Game is a little death–the death of the beta self. It’s a slow painful death for some, and we must pass through the stages of grief:

    1. denial: the feminized manginas saying “women aren’t like that, and gamesmen are misogynist pigs.

    2. anger: fucking bitches, I hate you for being hypergamous tingle-slaves.

    3. bargaining: If I supplicate myself even more to the pussy, they’ll love me and not be hypergamous tingle-tarts.

    4. depression: I hate it and it makes me sad that i have to study and perfect game in order to deliver a counterstrike the hypergamous arms race.

    5: acceptance: I’ve got tight game, or I’m working on it, and this is FUN!!

    Lots of guys get stuck in anger. They’re pissed off. Fine. Be pissed. But realize it won’t help you. Anger is antithetical to tight game. Alphas have too much social status, too much dominance in their frame to be bothered to get pissed at women for long. Look at Berlusconi’s response to Carla Bruni publicly rebuking him. He practically laughed it off.

    If the Nobel prize committee weren’t such feminized manginas, and if they gave out prizes to anonymous bloggers, CR should be nominated.

    The question for me now is, how do we disseminate this information? How do we get men to WAKE the FUCK up?

    This is like house-to-house fighting. It’s gorilla warfare, and we must take up new recruits at every opportunity.

    Keep up the good fight, General.

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  36. on August 3, 2010 at 12:39 pm greatbooksformen

    lolzzolzlzzl

    i always tells da girls and ladies

    dat if tehre is gonna be the otehr guy

    i wanna be he dat otehr guy lsozlozozlozlzo

    i wanna be the one sho sploohges on them
    while teh otehr duide buys them tehir denim
    i wanna be the cock that rocks & runs
    while their boyfroind gets da bitch but none of da funs
    i wann be da man who sees her at her best
    while her boyrfiend hears her fart back in da nest
    i wanna be da cock dat fills that empty space
    while her boyfriend pays fro da rent on her place
    i wanna be the one who she don’t lie to
    while the man sho buys her things she cries to
    i wanna be the one who gets oral anal ginal
    while her boyfriend is left to finish is own giz final
    i’m gonna be the one to fuck and run
    while the beatherb thinks that he has won
    just becasue he is paying for teh modern american woman
    as she prepares in secret for th divorce
    to serve the fed and bernake her favorite man
    as he funds teh stet’s incacertaing police force
    and some dya they will come and throw the good man in jail
    but if you fuck and run, like she really wants, you won’t epic fail.
    cause womenz always say day want a nuice guy,
    but that’s just to get some dude their ring to buy
    alpha fucks andd beta bucks
    you buy her a meal but its her text booty call she sucks
    alpha fucks and beta bucks
    she’s got a right to her own body
    and ass raping men in doivocre court is her hobby
    alpha fucks and beta bucks
    we’ve all got a role to play
    for teh greater good of the world
    with anothe rman’s cockia she has got to play
    because this is how the bernanke world works
    all teh risk goes to the honest man
    wall teh welath goes to goldman sachs and tucekr max
    as that is the new world order beranke plan

    lzozolzollllllllz

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  37. vi,

    Despite their one anecdote, I think women cheat on those days because they were treated TOO good the day before.

    this isn’t necessarily an either/or situation. it speaks to the nature of entitlement. if someone randomly does something nice for you, it catches you off guard. it’s a pleasant surprise. or when you exchange xmas presents there is a sense of reciprocity. holidays like valentines day and mothers day don’t operate like that. it’s a one-sided transaction with nothing by which to measure. no matter how extravegant your gift or your gesture, it can always be a little bigger or a little better. there’s always some other woman who got a bigger ring or more flowers. even if you go all out one year, you can’t realistically top yourself year after year. it’s a situation in which the man can almost always be found lacking.

    the really funny thing is that while the role of wife and mother is diminishing, the sense of entitlement that many woman have for gifts, celebrations and accolades is increasing. that’s the nature of entitlement.

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  38. Gbfm fuckin rules!!

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  39. Naked Mud-wrestling Day

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  40. even if you go all out one year, you can’t realistically top yourself year after year.

    Going all out is the wrong frame of mind. One time my wife and I were on the road far from home on her birthday, and we stopped at a restaurant along the way. When the waitress brought out desserts, I put a single little b-day cake candle in her sundae and lit it, looked her in the eyes and said “happy birthday my Love” and told her to make a wish. I had the candle and lighter in my pocket ready for this.

    She was stunned with surprise and moved to near tears. Said later this was the most wonderful birthday surprise she ever got.

    I do go “all out” with expensive things when necessary but these are not tied to expectations, but to practicalities, like when she needed a new car.

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  41. “Numerically, Ashley Madison heavily favors women (the ratio is around 8 men for every 1 woman.)”

    “Because the gender imbalance on these sites is so skewed, i.e. hundreds of males to every one average female…”

    This suggests that the number of female cheaters as perceived by many commenters here is somewhat exaggerated.

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  42. Im suprised Noel Biderman hasn’t been named as a defendant in any “alienation of affection”-type lawsuits for setting up a website that intentionally promotes adultrey. He’s probably facilitated quite a few broken homes.

    Since there is no real de facto penalty in most states for cheating wives, who get the same settlement whether they were faithful or not, its depressingly unsuprising that many will indeed cheat on the flimsiest of pretexts. The carrots and sticks that should be implemented to govern the matter have been deformed. There are no sticks guarding the situation legally.

    As one commenter noted, Father’s Day could be spiced up…….Im thinking a parade, a 18 year old virgin, a ceremonial pouring of “official” beer, a ceremonial “official” serving of hot wings, steak, or pizza, and a ceremonial blow job while the grand marshal of said parade watches a baseball game on TV. The parade could take place in D.C., following a route that intentionally bypasses any buildings owned by N.O.W, the ACLU, and People for the American Way, onward towards its final destination, that gigantic phallic symbol known as the Washington Monument. The 18 year old maiden could have earned her spot after having won a beauty contest held in the nation’s trailer parks, could be known as this years “Cindi” (short for Cybele, the Greek Goddess whose celebration was supposedly the initiation of the “Mother’s Day” holiday and ensuing traditions associated with it). Since she is required to perform a blow job, she could colliquially become known as this years, “Windi”.

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  43. j r

    That’s a great point. It’s amazing how women are doing so little as women but expect so much more. There’s definitely a greater sense of entitlement across the board, men and women, but the sense within women is far more acute.

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  44. on August 3, 2010 at 1:09 pm Ari Hinkelberger

    That Ashley Madison site is a total scam FYI…

    http://www.ashleymadisonsucks.com/

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  45. Thinking Man said: “Even if that site were real, I hardly think that a fling with a stranger is going to give a woman the satisfaction she seeks from her LTR. Odds are that it will only compound her dissatisfaction, whether that dissatisfaction is justified or not.”

    Agreed but I think a big part of it is not even the cheating, but PUNISHING the boyfriend/husband that you think has not made you feel like the special little snowflake you just know that you are. Ridiculous.

    Truth said: “She and my dad are happy together from what I can tell. These days, marriage is a losing proposal for most men. So it’s best that men avoid marriage, cohabitation and kids with western women from feminist countries.”

    I am also from a non fem country and I don’t think marriage is AS MUCH a losing proposal for men who marry non feminist women. Although I cannot stop time or biology, I can try to maintain my looks to the best of my ability and make up for the rest by being funny, loving, sweet, a good listener (working on this one! I love to yap!) and a great mother/homemaker.

    And someone above said men cheat so BFD if women do too.

    In traditional American (:::sigh:::) men would usually have indiscretions. Either one-night stands or casual mistresses. They did not seek out to fall in love again or punish their wives. They remained dutiful and loving husbands and the wife was still the #1 priority. Hoes came and went. While I do not like infidelity on all accounts, cheating out of spite (especially b/c hubby didn’t get you that necklace you wanted) seems so….mean-spirited.

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  46. on August 3, 2010 at 1:14 pm Pteradactyl Guano

    The spikes are because men, on cue, act Beta on those days.

    The whole farce of made up holidays is a big shit test.

    The men should say: I ignore these Hallmark holidays. Get used to it. When is your birthday, again?

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  47. on August 3, 2010 at 1:22 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””’Pteradactyl Guano
    The spikes are because men, on cue, act Beta on those days.

    The whole farce of made up holidays is a big shit test.

    The men should say: I ignore these Hallmark holidays. Get used to it. When is your birthday, again?
    ”””””’
    Correct the last time I celebrated a chicks birthday was when I was in like 6th grade.

    Valentines same.

    I do spontaneous shit when I want to do it.
    Or if there is some kind of problem.
    No holidays fuck em.

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  48. riff and jerry,

    your conversation highlights something that is often overlooked. for the average (ie beta) man, female promiscuity is usually a “scam.” it creates the illusion of unlimited, or at least greatly increased, access to sexual relationships with woman, but almost never delivers on its promise.

    sure, the average man will have more access to sex in a promiscuous culture than a chaste one, but there’s a tradeoff in both the quality of woman he can get and the quality of the relationships he can maintain.

    think of it this way: the sexual marketplace is one where where woman come with their beauty looking to secure status and men come with their status looking to aquire a beautiful woman. in a monogamous culture, it is expected that this is a one-time transaction. in a situation like that, people tend to match up pretty evenly. a male 6 has a good shot at landing a female 6; probably even a female 7 since both parties understand that over time male status rises while female beauty diminishes.

    in a promiscuous culture, the incentives change. it’s no longer “you broke it, you bought it” for men, so high status men can sleep with numerous women of lesser beauty until they reach the peak of their status and cash out with the most beautiful woman they can attract. on the other side, women now have increased access to men of higher status, for whom they hold out hope even as their beauty fades.

    think about it. for the high-status man this is great. he gets a youth of sowing his wild oats with 6s,7s and 8s and can eventually settle down with an 8 or a 9 that is considerably younger than he is. for the average guy, not so much. if he gets to be promiscuous at all, it’s with 3s, 4s and 5s. as for relationships, he can basically choose between 5s and 6s his own age who still have alpha male pretensions or past-their-prime 6s and 7s.

    most men don’t understand this dynamic. they support greater female promiscuity, becauyse they mistakenly believe it will lead to more sex for them. this is why you can tell a lot about a man by the way he acts around sluts and teases. beta males light up like a xmas tree when they encounter a slut. alphas, like that soccer player from the other post, are indifferent, if not outright dismissive of sluts.

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  49. on August 3, 2010 at 1:43 pm greatbooksformen

    more secrteive tapings of buuuthhexxxx = more women desouled = more women loyal to da fiat dollar and benernake tucker max rhyems with goldman sax lzozlzozolz

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  50. (R)Evolutionary
    Over here, it’s the image of a happy, empowered, mischeviously joyful child uncovering juicy new truths, new tools, new knowledge.

    Next thing you’ll be calling him Cupid.

    I agree, though, that the tone of playful mischief, although intermittent, is great when present.

    I think there are probably better examples than this post though.

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  51. on August 3, 2010 at 1:44 pm greatbooksformen

    ^^^^t that owuld be sertive tapings of butthex without teh girlths ocnthent embraced by da major neocns mags and publishing houses and thus the new york fed lzozlzllz & bernake

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  52. on August 3, 2010 at 1:53 pm Badger Nation

    “Whereas men are usually looking for sex, women tend to seek attention that they’re not getting at home.”

    This is bunk. A guy name Gary Neuman did a book on male infidelity called The Truth About Cheating where he outlined the reaons for cheating in his marital practice. The most common was feeling unappreciated at home. Not hard to imagine why if you’re married to an American woman. Getting new sex is a secondary motivation except for straight up philanderers.

    “This lack of attention often makes them feel undesirable — and feeds their need for validation.”

    LTR women will never get enough attention. Consider it a rule – these complaints are null information.

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  53. Valentine’s Days and the like are ingrained in male sense of chivalry, combined with major feminist indoctrination to never admit they are unreasonable, selfish etc.

    We men must set out our views on this early on, especially where finances are limited. In today’s economy where the middle class is finding it ever hard to keep position, telling your woman how you set out your priorities is essential. Otherwise, you have no excuse if you start seeing the bills pile up.

    For women who work, and still demand this regulated pampering, they have a harder case. Sure, her male likely can afford it, but she would look ridiculous, in her expensive shoes and car and feeling empowered, to be insulted when not treated like a little princess.

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  54. I believe that fucking + getting sucked off by hot and compliant escorts is the best way to depedestalize women. Once you have felt a 8-9s lips (both pairs) around your cock on demand, you learn to see average and cute girls for what they really are.

    -Mediocre cum dumpsters with attitude.

    Why would you pay the cost of a new luxury car for a beaten up econobox? Especially one that breaks down frequently..

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  55. on August 3, 2010 at 2:09 pm gunslingergregi

    It saddens me that the real reason my woman don’t cheat on me is not because it would hurt me, or because I treat them well or because I love them and they love me but because they say I wouldn’t care and just get another woman.

    Woman cheat to hurt you.

    Men cheat for variety.

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  56. […] invite you to head over to one of my favorite blogs, Citizen Renegade, and read Chateau’s post The Depedestalization Shall Continue Until Morale Improves. It’s a great piece which takes a look at the reasons some women cheat on their husbands, using […]

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  57. read this guys blog for his adventures on AM.

    http://www.ashleyandmearchives.blogspot.com/

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  58. Emma the Student

    Men have been cheating since the dawn of time, what’s the problem?

    Because men and women are different and not just in plumbing and trivial ways. that’s what’s the problem.

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/just-how-amoral-are-women/#comment-169914

    As well under feminist divorce law 2.0 when she cheats, is discovered and/or totally sexually rejects her husband as a result, and he or she eventually divorce, she STILL gets the house, the kids, child support = stealth alimony at half or more his after tax earnings in a high tax state, PLUS half his accumulated wealth no matter how great, or the proportion that each actually worked hard during the marriage.

    That’s what’s the problem.

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  59. I suspect Ashley Madison might put these articles out for publicity.

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  60. don’t know if he is full of shit- but it looks real.

    http://www.ashleyandmearchives.blogspot.com/

    if it is real, the dude fucks a bunch of married women in L.A.

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  61. When I saw you had to pay $250 to sign up for Ashley Madison, I quit.

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  62. “Expectation is just low rent entitlement.”

    Word.

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  63. Emma the Student–

    As well there’s something else your feminist indoctrination doesn’t make easy for your to wrap your little head around.

    While cheating (as opposed sometimes to playing with permission) always hurts either sex in a marriage when it happens to them, and while American and to a lesser extent Anglosphere women have been trained since first wave feminism to be extraordinariy intolerant of male cheating always, contra the rest of the world’s women, it’s particularly galling and hurtful when the one who’s been cheating on you has been supported by you, entirely or in significant part. Women feel this added insult and disgust as well in the fairly small minority of cases when men they’re supporting in whole or large part cheat on them. As well women hate, hate, hate paying alimony, even more than men do.

    It’s even more galling, hurtful and soul bashing when a woman who’s cheated and keeps cheating and won’t stop or won’t sex her husband anymore at all or with any enthusiasm, then divorces him or is divorced for what should be fault, and STILL gets the huge male oppress divorce theft freight of American divorce 2.0. This was unprecedented in the world now or at any time or place in the past, until America began no fault divorces, which means no female fault ones, 20 years ago in increasing numbers of states under feminist and family courts lobbying.

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  64. I hereby propose that Steak and Blowjob Day be moved from March 14th to the 3rd Sunday in August from this day forward.

    All in favor say Aye.

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  65. WOah woah woah woah. @ anonymous and anyone who looked at this article. What was she smoking when she said this?

    “Ideally the woman will want to stray as well,” says Hill. “Some won’t want to because they’re at home taking care of toddlers. But the woman definitely needs to negotiate infidelity as well, especially because that will generate her man’s competitive nature. The more lovers the woman has, the more attraction the man will have for his partner.”

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  66. on August 3, 2010 at 2:47 pm Professor Woland

    I am married to a Russian woman. In Russia they celebrate international womens day. It is one of those socialist creations with a tradition going back decades not centurys. It is a bit like mothers day except that all women are celebrated not just mothers. We celebrate it but it is no big deal. Just a a good day to do something nice for her and acknowledge women. A lot of Americn feminists who squack about not celebrating IWD here are usually the most clueless / selfish when it comes to the reciprical men’s day. In Russia there is a day when the men are celebrated. It is also a day when the military veterans are glorified and it has a masculine theme. The women give gladiolas and they guys get a day without nagging. I wonder, if women had a choice between celebrating both a man’s and women’s day or nothing at all, which one would they chose?

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  67. “Laura
    I suspect Ashley Madison might put these articles out for publicity.”

    Agreed. That link was too polished and professional-looking. $250 is way too much for any dating website. That whole thing reeks of “scam”

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  68. I don’t buy it, I read it the other way.

    Women are motivated to cheat after these “events” b/c they *are* pampered on Vday and Mother’s Day and it simply reinforces that they have a pandering chump at their disposal.

    With women, no good deed goes unpunished.

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  69. My husband usually does something with his own mother on Mother’s Day. I like to celebrate Mother’s Day with my own mother and grandmother.

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  70. Ashley Madison may be the real deal in terms of signups and cash flow. The site is sponsoring the 2011 Adult Video News awards show; last year, the ceremony had over 2 million viewers on premium cable. I don’t think some smoke-and-mirrors .com and its VCs would throw down the amount of cash needed to do that unless it was a viable business.

    http://randazza.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/ashley-madison-dating-service-shows-more-strength/

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  71. “I hereby propose that Steak and Blowjob Day be moved from March 14th to the 3rd Sunday in August from this day forward.

    All in favor say Aye.”

    I love it, i was going to suggest August 14 (the anti-Valentine’s Day).

    Either way, it’s coming up soon!

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  72. if you have a good woman steak and a bj day is every day

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  73. ASSUMING any of this is true (which is a biggie) I expect there’s no “one true answer” for why cheating goes up after Mothers’ Day, Valentines’, etc. Probably for some it’s bitterness over failed expectations, for others it’s the ego boost kicking them into fantasyland.

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  74. on August 3, 2010 at 3:13 pm gunslingergregi

    I had steak and blow job day already today just like every day that I want steak and blow job day. lol

    Life is a joke. Say what you mean mean what you say and you will get what you want.

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  75. on August 3, 2010 at 3:15 pm gunslingergregi

    lol dana

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  76. “if you have a good woman steak and a bj day is every day”

    WORD.

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  77. I’m going with the view that this is all advertisement based news.

    If it is true, it just proves women are unrealistic and never happy.

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  78. Dream Puppy—

    I am also from a non fem country and I don’t think marriage is AS MUCH a losing proposal for men who marry non feminist women. Although I cannot stop time or biology, I can try to maintain my looks to the best of my ability and make up for the rest by being funny, loving, sweet, a good listener (working on this one! I love to yap!) and a great mother/homemaker.

    And someone above said men cheat so BFD if women do too.

    In traditional American (:::sigh:::) men would usually have indiscretions. Either one-night stands or casual mistresses. They did not seek out to fall in love again or punish their wives. They remained dutiful and loving husbands and the wife was still the #1 priority. Hoes came and went. While I do not like infidelity on all accounts, cheating out of spite (especially b/c hubby didn’t get you that necklace you wanted) seems so….mean-spirited.

    Absolutely right Dream Puppy. Your whole comment was gold.

    As well, as the comment I linked to above on an earlier Roissy thread, and as I and others in the Roissysphere have said many times drawing from evidence, there tends to be a real difference in the consequences when men and women cheat. Not only do men (who aren’t male submissives) have a harder time with it themselves for evolutionary biological reasons (making sure the kids he’s about to provision and help raise are his) than women intrinsically do (though feminism has worked overtime to change that among women) there’s another even stronger reason. When men cheat they rarely leave their wives and the cheating rarely makes them want their wives sexually less. (Other things like her becoming a harridan might have done that but if anything his getting some one the side is likely to help him game her, be more alpha with her.) Men are polygamous. They want both women simultaneously, if only for awhile in today’s society.

    Women on the other hand are naturally monogamous, or serially monogamous, with hypergamous attractions. If women cheat with a guy they hypergamously select as a comparatively thrilling lover, their sexual love bond with their husband is likely to dissolve greatly before too long. This happens all the time. She’s likely to stop wanting sex with her husband and especially full sex with him. Not saying this is true of every woman but rather most. She may still feel she “loves him” as a companion, partner, provider and dad to their kids, but that she’s no longer “in love” with him. Women have that as a reason for wanting to end a marriage a great deal more than men do. In fact I think when men use it they’re usually copying women’s reasons that are out there in the American female zeitgeist as permitted ones for women.

    Women often initiate divorce when this happens; in fact it’s a big reason for female initiated divorces, though divorce attorneys report that more often than not men don’t know when their wives have had an affair(s) and it’s a major real factor in her wanting a divorce. Note she often/usually doesn’t LTR or marry her lover. He’s usually married and won’t leave his wife and kids, ironically, or may be unsuitable in the dad/companion/provider role. Instead her cheating having broken her “in love” bond with her husband, she figures she’s go husband hunting for someone else.

    Ps What part of the world are you from? That won’t identify you.

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  79. on August 3, 2010 at 3:26 pm Anonymouses Anonymous

    I contend that just as they had the Year of the woman, we demand a Century of the Patriarch.

    But, you cannot be a patriarch without having children.

    I wonder if training a woman before marriage will make her keepable during the marriage.

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  80. How about this for marrying –

    We can either

    1 – Marry religiously, but not recognised by the state (now registration, just in front of Gods eyes)

    OR

    2 – Marry by the state, and have a prenup plus legal pertainity tests

    Its win/win for both of you.

    If she cheats or leaves you or cuckolds you, you have your back covered.

    Quote by MC Hammer
    “The law cant touch this”

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  81. Doug, I’m Peruvian born and raised. Eastern/Southwestern European descent.

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  82. on August 3, 2010 at 3:44 pm 9, The Editor

    Start it: Patriarchy Day, when? pick out a week or whatever and crown as truth. a day to now celebrate. let the whores on “the view” get wind of it. it would be huge.

    Patriarchy day? That is something I shall celebrate…I dont know which post to praise more at my blog. VD covered this, you did and yesterday’s post on slut-dom required a mention. As for a outcome as a nation. I dont know.

    AMerica is post America. It is over…or is it time for gen x and y to take back the awfulness of it all?

    I wrote my “comment” at the ashely madison page as “the lp 999”. Called it a “abomination”. It is wrong to cheat. that page can exist all it wants but they are filthy. I hate that sort of thing.

    In closing, Get the bitches off their pedstals.

    ATTENTION, WHITE KNIGHTERS THIS post is for you! wake up! CHEATERS EXIST. SHE IS NOT HANGINg out with her freinds at 3am!

    the lp999

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  83. on August 3, 2010 at 3:47 pm serenity is insanity

    Infidelity, Cheating Wives

    Think men are the unfaithful sex?

    i believe there is no such thing as fidelity between either sex and there never was real monogamy in existence. the idea of monogamy for any extended length of time seems more cruelly unrealistic than noble for either sex. marriage just needs to go away.

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  84. @J
    This suggests that the number of female cheaters as perceived by many commenters here is somewhat exaggerated.

    It could also indicate that cheating is so trivially easy for women that they don’t need to bother signing up to a cheating website.

    My guess is the truth lies somewhere in between.

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  85. on August 3, 2010 at 3:54 pm 9, The Editor

    @ cani

    I am for pre nups. As a only child (everything goes to me) that was explained to me, but I believe in willingly giving it away or sharing it with the husband… the problem is that some men and women will gold dig it.

    To be honest, I believe the ladies are bigger gold diggers than man.

    the lp999

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  86. on August 3, 2010 at 3:57 pm 9, The Editor

    @ cani: Men have to have asset protection. that is why getting married early or in the 30’s and divorcing after 55 takes the man to the cleaners.

    we recently celebrated a freind’s 70 birthday. he is our freind and family confidant. well, his wife served him via the police and he had to leave HIS OWN home at 68 years old. it is awful. he had to leave b/c the lawyers said so/ some bitch in a suit from a law office threw a man off his property IN AMERICA. hence why I call it, post america.

    that is why I defend the men more often than the women.

    thelp9

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  87. As we r blogging, im txting 3 babes: 24, 31, 27 r txting me:

    -Date on Wed with 27; drinks

    -Date TBD with 31, turned down her request for Dinner with: “i’m not that easy”

    “Dinner is for couples”….after some protest drivel…she agrees & submits “You want to taste me”

    Bastard Game rocks; I may never open a Menu again.

    -Txt 24 I am going to Croatia; she says when/why. I reply r u free to come. She “actually yes”, date pending tonight

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  88. Ari Hinkelberger

    The enemy is right before their eyes; the SWPA Woman.

    Whores.

    The enemy is unrestrained feminism. Feminist laws and the media. Game reeducation in masculinity can overcome the media, at least on the male side, but game can’t overcome the lawas. Divorce theft 2.0 administered by very one sided family courts, no evidence and men are guilty until proven innocent (literally) VAWA (domestic violence for returning a no injury slap or she just said you did, so restraining order putting you out of your own house), and to a lesser extent the extreme one sidedness of sexual harassment law. Also favoring girls now left and right at the expense of boys in schools such that there are almost 50% more girls than guys in college now. (Admittedly the last is skewed somewhat by the almost 2 to 1 ration among blacks and Hispanics, and occurs primarily at less elite colleges, but it’s still an imbalance.) Everywhere women are hired and promoted in preference to guys in office jobs unless the guy is hugely better, and sometimes then too. Women are far harder to fire.

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  89. Dream Puppy–

    Thanks.

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  90. update:

    date w. 24 yo latvian 8.5 babe….free musueum concert thurs.

    I may start donating money from Alpha dating savings

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  91. What was it again – men cheat, women betray.

    Women cheat not just to hurt you – they want to add a perverse richness to their emotional tapestry. Some of them get off on betrayal and duplicity.

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  92. on August 3, 2010 at 4:24 pm gunslingergregi

    Go Silver
    Go Silver
    Go Silver

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  93. on August 3, 2010 at 4:26 pm gunslingergregi

    Can’t wait for bitch to pass test so I can go make more loot perm retire and travel world.

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  94. @anonymous
    Infidelity is even on the front page of CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/08/03/negotiated.infidelity/index.html?hpt=C2

    I was personally shocked to see the AshleyMadison commercial on TV. Morals are going to shit. That, and well-funded marketeering can influence anything.

    I’ve slept with enough married women to know one thing: There’s no good country for morality.

    Korea: After a grace period, men fuck around freely, women do it discreetly. Germany: Sex is a blood sport. France: Lovers are a cultural way of life. Japan: Cheating? It’s only cheating if you get caught. China? Morality has ceased to exist in any form.

    Easiest place to sleep with married women: France. Korea if you’re culturally appropriate and playing ball and follow the rules.

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  95. on August 3, 2010 at 4:50 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””’Unmarried sexual relationships where the satisfaction of receiving the preciiiiiious ring of power is continually postponed do a pretty good job of deterring women’s most unwelcome compulsions.””””””””

    ”””””Welly well! The expectations game goes both ways. Of course, some of us can realize our expectations simply by avoiding those things which are most likely to leave them unfulfilled. Like, oh say, marriage and kids.”””’

    This was pretty brutal. My kid is a little maniac and makes me laugh like a maniac because he is gonna be a monster with woman. But yea the ring thing and marriage is some bullshit. So far I had two and both of them have lied on the fucking criteria they promised in marriage.

    Now wife is like yea she gonna kill me if I keep fucking whores. I am like wtf I was like this before. I told you I was gonna be like this. I am like this. This is me.
    But yea she brings up that how would I feel if she would bring a guy home and fuck him.
    I am like well if you were like that before I wouldn’t have married you and you would not have been for me.
    She is like but it hurts me when you fuck other woman.
    I am like I love you and will not leave you but I am not changing my shit.
    She hurt me pretty bad when she explained how much it was hurting her me fucking other chicks but at the same time if she didn’t allow me to do that. I wouldn’t have married her. Fucking insane. Womans always want to change the rules after marriage.
    I was like go ahead and kill me I will let you.
    She was like I don’t want to kill you.
    I was like go ahead and get another dude if you want.
    I will not be staying with you if you want to do that.
    She is like I don’t want another dude. I just wanted to show you how it would hurt you if I did the same thing you do.
    I again tried to explain to the woman that if she was like that I would not be with her.
    She is like you wouldn’t care if I got another dude you would just either kill me or get another woman.
    I am like wtf do you think. Before you said you wouldn’t want that you still say you don’t want that. So wtf.

    It is like I can’t win with a chick. I am totally fucking honest from get go. And she still fails. Although her failure is only not wanting me to get other woman but then if I didn’t get other woman she wouldn’t respect me as much. lol
    Just like if I caved she wouldn’t respect me as much.

    She tore my guts out with her being hurt though because I never intend to hurt her I thought she could handle it because I was like that before.
    It caused me some serious fucking pain to hear that shit.
    Anyone want to tear up my shit.

    Really it seems like marriage is the wrong thing. You want kids just have them. Never put ring on ringer it gives woman a sense of entitlement to your guts.

    Its like never going full retard.

    Never go full love.

    It can cause some serious pain.

    We will work through it though and I don’t fear death so hopefully passed the nuclear shit test.

    She kind of failing her test in way though. But at same time I can see it from her point of view. I think more a resourse thing. This is way that a lack of resources is rearing its head. If resourse plentifull I would think this would be less of a problem. But resources are running low and she is probably really more about that fact and this is how it is coming out. Which is probably the better form of it I suppose. There had to be something. I guess when you break the natural order to the magnitude I have he he he

    Overall she is still keeping up her end as far as being a good woman to me. But shit. They can really tear you up when you give em some power over your emotions. Which I have. It is almost enough to make me quit fucking other chicks. But yea if I did that what would happen then?
    Yea exactly.

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  96. the real reason the signups are so large on those days? beta husbands are buying their sweethearts new cockas as da presents!

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  97. Silver Fox–

    tight game.

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  98. AFF is full of fat and ugly people. I never went on Ashley Madison but I bet it’s a scam as well.

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  99. The state of American cheating (especially American women) is dismal these days. The feminists who think they can do whtaever they want (such as cheating on your husband because he didn’t do what you wanted for mother’s day – what’s with that woman anyway, didn’t she say that he got her a gift and everything? That’s more than he should have done!) are ruining it for the rest of us girls.

    Plus like Doug1 said, female cheating is way worse for a marraige than male cheating is. And any girl who wants a pretty alpha guy should probably just get over the idea that she won’t be his one and only – and should find the alpha guy who will at least be discreet about it.

    Any advice on how girls these days can convince a guy they’re worthy of marriage these days?

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  100. on August 3, 2010 at 5:03 pm (R)Evolutionary

    @Sibling of Daedalus,

    No, Roissy’s not cupid, that would be Ashley Madison, subject of this post.

    I’m not sure Roissy has an equivalent in the classical literature, maybe Stendhal.

    I’d like to see your examples of playful mischief from CR.

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  101. It’s only wrong when men cheat.

    When women cheat, it’s an inspiring declaration of independence against the evil patriarchy. Dontcha know?

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  102. It’s blog posts like this that make me wonder when the hell Roissy is going to write a book.

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  103. Since when in the hell did Mothers Day turn into Wives/Girlfriends Day?

    I’ve also noticed lately, as Miley mentioned above, the phenomenon of the “birthday week” where the wife expects to be waited on like a princess and have a free pass to act like a bitch for the full week.

    Keep it up, ladies. Single men are watching these behaviors, and adding them to the list of reasons to avoid marriage like the plague.

    It reminds me of political parties who sense a landslide loss in an approaching election, and instead of wising up, chilling out and maybe behaving more reasonable or middle-of-the-road, prefer to double-down in the worst extremism and power overreaching that they can muster. People like this are mistaken in the belief that their genius, correctness, and entitlement just aren’t appreciated enough and that bitterness and confrontation are the way to endear themselves and save their office/marriage.

    I agree with Laura about these type of stories. AshleyMadicon has always struck me as a marketing monster whose main purpose is to make a name for itself and suck money, not provide a useful service.

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  104. I think it’s way worse when women cheat, because men don’t leave their families. Also, any alpha guy with options is probably gonna exercise them right? Why would a girl who knew she was his number one kick him to the curb for that?

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  105. on August 3, 2010 at 6:06 pm Tupac Chopra

    A 14 year old Tupac: “Dad, how come you don’t do anything for mom on Mother’s Day?”

    Tupac’s old man: *laugh* “She’s your mother, boy. Not mine.”

    True story.

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  106. @Gorbachev

    “I’ve slept with enough married women to know one thing: There’s no good country for morality.

    Korea: After a grace period, men fuck around freely, women do it discreetly. Germany: Sex is a blood sport. France: Lovers are a cultural way of life. Japan: Cheating? It’s only cheating if you get caught. China? Morality has ceased to exist in any form.

    Easiest place to sleep with married women: France. Korea if you’re culturally appropriate and playing ball and follow the rules.”

    True. I once slept with a 30+ year old mistress in Asia, she later (subtly) complained how she wanted kids and that she is trying to convince the husband divorce his wife.

    I was 20 and it turned out to be a very valuable experience, because it helped me realize how similar the sexual practices are in every culture.

    It seems that civilized culture (1st world modern countries) hide hedonistic/sinful behavior, while third world countries in SE Asia or Africa openly display them. Makes sense since people have more to lose in civilized society.

    In Korea, teens freely use prostitutes for sexual needs. China… besides the city is a shit hole unless you are a foreigner or member of CPC/CCP.

    Interesting… never knew about France. Thought it would be Greece or Italy. Any other recommendations?

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  107. Gen Y cheats a lot more than boomer women did, since the former grew up under firmly in place entitlement and “men are almost always wrong” feminism. It’s getting worse and worse. As well no fault divorce, where women get exactly the same full freight divorce theft 2.0 when they cheat as was ratched up and up when men do, is and will further add to the cheating rate.

    Married women after a number of years of marriage and children can litterally you nyah nyah, you can’t do nothin and the law is virtually entirely on my side almost no matter what I do, so I’m just gonna cheat away.

    A married man is now vastly, vastly punished at the wife’s option if he cheats under no women’s fault divorce 2.0; he’s also just as vastly punished if she does and won’t even stop – or stops sexing him in consequence.

    What a country!!!

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  108. on August 3, 2010 at 6:11 pm Serious Reader

    What is the Jumbotron test ??????

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  109. don’t know if he is full of shit- but it looks real.

    http://www.ashleyandmearchives.blogspot.com/

    if it is real, the dude fucks a bunch of married women in L.A.

    Dude, he just posted right on this site in the comment section. Look above your comment. His name is Riff Dog, and his name links to his blog.

    Do you even read the rest of the posts when you comment?

    And yes, AM is for real, you don’t need $250 to sign up for it, you just need to play up the fantasy for a bunch of chicks in their 30’s who feel entitled. Hell, I met one chick off of there – she had a live-in boyfriend who was supporting her and her child. He and she broke up for a month and he banged some other chick. They got back together, but she figured she “deserved” a revenge fling, and that’s how she got on the site. Most ladies on there intend to cheat, despite many listing “erotic chat” as their “limit”. Play some email game and you score easy. As long as you pretend you’re in an LTR yourself, you’re all good.

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  110. Serious, the Jumbotron test is how you should decide what to say to any woman, especially if it’s recordable.

    If you wouldn’t want to see it on a Jumbotron, don’t send it.

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  111. on August 3, 2010 at 6:39 pm Hungry Hungry Hippos

    Tube amps?! I thought you only played guitar to get laid, guess I was wrong. Good times.

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  112. I don’t know of Ashley Madison is real or mostly fake, but I do know there are a shitload of cheating housewives on the internet. When I was a sick bastard into that sort of thing, you could find it on “lavalife,” nerve and craigslist casuals. Pretty much, cheating housewives are like free hookers.

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  114. I met a married Chinese woman online a year ago. She was married to a European guy. I gamed her for about 6 months. She said her hubby was spotted with other girls. I would cut her off when she talked about “him”.

    After a period of serious gaming, she started banging me and blowing me.

    Then suddenly she turned cold and felt guilty or slutty and cut it off. I didn’t pursue and said “Good idea”.

    The whole time she cleverly orchestrated meetings, came over on pretexts of cooking together, dressed hot when I asked her too—all the while complaining about how her husband was cheating on her.

    But one day she said something revealing. She asked me if I was always discrete. I said yes. I didn’t even have her number in my phone.

    She said that before she was married she had a bf and met some other guy. THings with the other guy started to take off, then she cut it off.

    He got weird and stalkerish and threatened to tell her bf about their affair.

    Before she started banging me, she told me this story to “shit-test” or screen me.

    When I told her I was too busy seeing other girls and probably wouldn’t notice if she was back with her husband she seemed to like that and things took off.

    So, what did I learn from all this? Women who cheated before will continue to cheat.

    Women cheat when they’re bored, or angry or looking for attention.

    Then they rationalize it all blaming the guy.

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  115. @The_King
    True. I once slept with a 30+ year old mistress in Asia, she later (subtly) complained how she wanted kids and that she is trying to convince the husband divorce his wife.

    I was 20 and it turned out to be a very valuable experience, because it helped me realize how similar the sexual practices are in every culture.

    The Mistress is an acceptable and normal fact of life in China; it’s assumed that powerful or wealthy men have one or more. And the women don’t lose any significant amount of respect for it: Moreso, men desire them more, usually.

    For marriage, though, a mistress may have more trouble.

    It seems that civilized culture (1st world modern countries) hide hedonistic/sinful behavior, while third world countries in SE Asia or Africa openly display them. Makes sense since people have more to lose in civilized society.

    I don’t think it has to do with “civilized”. At all.

    In Korea, teens freely use prostitutes for sexual needs. China… besides the city is a shit hole unless you are a foreigner or member of CPC/CCP.

    This is true.

    And now they have Kissybangs (kissing rooms), where you can go and have women kiss you (assumedly, nothing else). Weird thing in Korea.

    Interesting… never knew about France. Thought it would be Greece or Italy. Any other recommendations?

    France has a more mature and long-standing cheating culture. Wives generally don’t leave men who cheat; wives are also not as loyal as they should be. BUT: they’re also not cavalier about cheating. They acquire lovers.

    If you become one (as I did), it’s a kind-of social role, oftentimes: like your Best Friend, or your Husband, or your Children, there’s your Lover. You can have more than one, but it’s rarer.

    They make a clear distinction between a man who has a long-term affair with a secondary woman (likely also married), and a guy who fucks everything that moves. Guy #2 is seen as a cad and a jerk. Guy #1 is seen as normal.

    The woman who does this usually has some hand in a relationship, so she can get away with it. Lots of French marriages are like this.

    I’m overstating it, a bit, but it’s a real social category. it’s accepted and normal. And there are some obligations: as an accepted social category, there are ways (as a lover) you’re expected to behave, some expectations that you must meet.

    So it’s like a regularized poly-amorous system. It’s been that way for generations, since at least Louis XIV.

    A french woman: I was her *lover*, not a guy she was sleeping with. She described me that way. I was a little surprised at the emphasis, when she said : ” I never intended to take a lover, …” – as if it was some designated social role I now occupied.

    Not that it’s all that serious. But it was not quite as casual as it might have appeared.

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  116. just how high is this pedestal? sisters given short jail sentences after one fatally stabs boyfriend in groin and the other prevents people from calling ambulance:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-10823092

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  117. @(R)Evolutionary

    No, R’s not cupid, that would be Ashley Madison, subject of this post.

    So cynical. There’s more jaded roues round this place than in the pages of Laclos, you boys are all practically falling over one another striking languid poses.

    I’m not sure R has an equivalent in the classical literature, maybe Stendhal.

    Although it’s a bit difficult to aay given that I only came on the scene round about the time of the name change from R to CR, I’d say the current R persona (which I would argue has now achieved literary status in its own right) is more Pushkin than Stendhal, more Eugene Onegin than Julian Sorel. With a touch of Steerforth from David Copperfield morphed with Sir Henry from Dorian Gray too..

    I’d like to see your examples of playful mischief from CR.

    My absolute favorite (and not necessarily, I might add, because the writer references Joyce) is Storytelling aka Fibbing, 1st March 2010. I just can’t resist a bit of blarney, and this post is full of it, it is the Artful Dodger as opposed to the Byronic Hero, the Disillusioned Romantic, the Angry Young Man, the Cranky Old Gaffer or the Sadist.

    I have possibly not read as much of the earlier oeuvre as I should but I am gradually working through it. I note you say CR rather than R anyway so presumably you wanted a 2010 example rather than one from 2007-9.

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  118. on August 3, 2010 at 8:07 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””’Then they rationalize it all blaming the guy.”””

    lol yea mine was talking about going and picking up a dude from somewhere and bringing him to house and fucking him while I am here and going out in blaze of glory he he he

    Using an analogy to make me understand how she feels when I do it.

    Which worked to make me understand her position.

    Not cheating behind my back.

    So guys if a chick says to you that she wants you to fuck her in house where her husband is. You might not want to go. She may be trying to use you as a human sacrifice/catalyst.
    he he he

    But yea why I try to talk with her about everything.
    But god dam what the fuck am I supposed to do now?

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  119. Gorb,
    My grandparents were on a bus tour in Paris and the tour guide pointed to an apartment and told everyone that was where her lover lived. Very French.

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  120. Gorbachev is right on France. I spent a lot of time in France when younger so saw it first hand but it is of course well documented in literature, going back hundreds of years. Husbands have lovers (and there is a lovely expression cinq a sept, 5-7) which is a traditional time to meet your mistress) but wives do too, it’s all quite civilised. It’s obviously not common in all sections of society but even say in a Provencale village, but if it happened in others, it wouldn’t be a cultural shock to people.

    For those who like witty old female literature (which admittedly is probably is a very small minority of the readers of this blog but I thought I would share anyway), one of Nancy Mitford’s books, The Blessing, a story about an upper class English woman who marries a Frenchman during the second world war has a funny take on this. At the end of the war, the heroine is whisked off by the husband she actually hardly knows and ends up at his chateau and is most amused with his elderly female relatives and their longstanding lovers, she is less amused when she finds out about his own lover. The French cannot understand her puritanical anglo ways.

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  121. I note Riff Dog, who is probably the biggest personal expert on Ashley Madison, at least amongst the posters of this blog said
    “Numerically, Ashley Madison heavily favors women (the ratio is around 8 men for every 1 woman.)”

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  122. Thanks Lily. I have an appreciation for both ways of life, French and English.

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  123. I checked out Riff Dog’s blog. He really goes into some detail.

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  124. Its a well known fact around the world that American (Western in general maybe) girls are good for fun and nothing else. Marriage, are you crazy? They don’t know what it means to be feminine, be a wife, be a mother, or nothing like that. Anyway, why would you want to marry a woman who gave her goods to others at a much lower price than you are paying, which is basically your freedom, your paycheck, your whole life. They are good to be used and abused just like the other men have done. Of course there are a few diamonds in the rough but good luck finding them. I say use them for what they are meant to be used for, don’t confuse a girlfriend and a wife, they are completely two different things.

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  125. @
    Lily
    Husbands have lovers (and there is a lovely expression cinq a sept, 5-7)</I.

    Ah, France.

    which is a traditional time to meet your mistress) but wives do too, it’s all quite civilised.</I.

    It's like an institution.

    It’s obviously not common in all sections of society but even say in a Provencale village, but if it happened in others, it wouldn’t be a cultural shock to people.

    No-one freaks out about it, but it’s not exactly seen as the Proper thing to do. If you do it, … it’s kind-of like low-level tax evasion: only a crime if you can’t carry it off.

    At the end of the war, the heroine is whisked off by the husband she actually hardly knows and ends up at his chateau and is most amused with his elderly female relatives and their longstanding lovers, she is less amused when she finds out about his own lover. The French cannot understand her puritanical anglo ways.

    The point is, though, this is different from a rake or a cad; you take on a lover (ideally, one, and then stick with her), or maybe two over some time, and it’s just kind-of understood.

    Marriage serves a lot of functions there.

    BUT: Slutting it up is still worse than taking a lover.

    I recall once being introduced as my GF’s lover among a tight circle of friends – perhaps to preclude any of the friends hitting on me? No idea. She was also a little bit tipsy.

    It was understood that *I* wasn’t to be slutting it around, either. We had what was something like a kind-of semi-official relationship.

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  126. @Laura
    Gorb,
    My grandparents were on a bus tour in Paris and the tour guide pointed to an apartment and told everyone that was where her lover lived. Very French.

    That’s France for you.

    So – it’s easy to find yourself a hot French girl. Alas, it’s not just some girl you pump and dump; they draw you in, and you become part of the social circle, in some form or another. Stick around long enough, and you’re having a French romance.

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  127. @Gorb
    “perhaps to preclude any of the friends hitting on me?”
    I suspect the main reason was she was proud of you and showing you off.
    But agreed it would be very bad form for a man in this situation to chat up any of the girl friends (well at least for sexual purposes, one should of course be charming and a bit flirtatious of course). No ‘pivoting’ zone 🙂

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  128. I have never purchased a valentines gift.

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  129. “Its a well known fact around the world that American (Western in general maybe) girls are good for fun and nothing else. Marriage, are you crazy? They don’t know what it means to be feminine, be a wife, be a mother, or nothing like that.”
    I know where you’re coming from on this but there are a lot of women in America and therefore there are *plenty* of women who are good wives and mothers. Probably not the same ones who the locals in other countries judge American girls by though (as if they are judging maybe they’ve had sex with etc) and not ones frequently interacted with in the hook up culture
    (and I suspect any so-called ‘good girls’ who get into it get burnt most and opt out pretty quickly)

    As an aside, I day dream about having a fling with a hot American dude (maybe a Californian surfer?). Wouldn’t dream of marrying one though.

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  130. “the really funny thing is that while the role of wife and mother is diminishing, the sense of entitlement that many woman have for gifts, celebrations and accolades is increasing. that’s the nature of entitlement.”

    Controlling entitlement is synonymous with domination and game. You make her feel relieved and pleased and aroused and grateful to be with you. If she doesn’t feel that way, as a women/whore, she’ll feel that you owe her something for her time.

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  131. @Lily
    @Gorb
    “perhaps to preclude any of the friends hitting on me?”
    I suspect the main reason was she was proud of you and showing you off.
    But agreed it would be very bad form for a man in this situation to chat up any of the girl friends (well at least for sexual purposes, one should of course be charming and a bit flirtatious of course). No ‘pivoting’ zone 🙂

    This was the very obvious context. It’s strange: She was married, had been for 8 years, and had a lover, who she wasn’t ashamed of; she was discreet, but also, … obvious, in a French way. And it was obvious that I was to behave in a certain way. And not be jealous.

    The whole jealousy thing over there was… differently constructed.

    While I wasn’t to be whoring around with anyone she knew, … and I was hers, as if I was in a BF-GF relationship, she was also already married; and it was assumed that I might have something else, on the side. But as long as it was all “propre”, it was all okay.

    Very unusual. In Korea, you weren’t allowed to even be *seen* with another man. In France – you maintained a lover, but treated your husband with immense respect.

    Very odd. A different world.

    What was the prize for her was my foreignness – as an American, I was incredibly useful for her in social situations. She was able to be the gadfly among her HootDeeDoo friends and intellectual buddies, all of them pseudo-socialists and anarcho-communists and armchair multiculturalists (i.e., Moors were just fine, just so long as there weren’t any here.)

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  132. I propose that Steak and Blowjob Day become a stat holiday.

    http://steakandbjday.com/

    (Too bad most broads can cook steaks about as good as they can shut up and stop making demands, am I right?)

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  133. @Gorb
    Funny, I really don’t find it very unusual or odd. Makes sense to me instinctively. Oops.

    The respect for the husband is a big thing, I think the French system of ‘discreet’ adultery (though certainly not modern-day Catherine M type stuff!) on both sides if wanted is much better than the anglo woman expecting her husband to be everything to her and then putting him down. I cannot even stand it when women say anything bad about their husbands in public (my ex sister in laws even complains about her husband to my mother in law, the husband’s own mother! What disgraceful manners), let alone harpie types. I know of course it’s not a case of one or another, but the French way (for some people not all) overall just seems more civilised.

    “armchair multiculturalists (i.e., Moors were just fine, just so long as there weren’t any here.)”
    This is the second funniest thing in my day, I can imagine it completely, thank you for sharing! Actually, it’s a new day now so officially the funniest, so far 🙂

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  134. “”But god dam what the fuck am I supposed to do now?””

    Is this not a Giant Size shit-test? I have no idea what you should do (and if you work out something, let us know), but this strikes me as a massive effort to test the limits of your Alphatude.

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  135. @Lily
    @Gorb
    Funny, I really don’t find it very unusual or odd. Makes sense to me instinctively. Oops.

    The respect for the husband is a big thing, I think the French system of ‘discreet’ adultery (though certainly not modern-day Catherine M type stuff!) on both sides if wanted is much better than the anglo woman expecting her husband to be everything to her and then putting him down. I cannot even stand it when women say anything bad about their husbands in public (my ex sister in laws even complains about her husband to my mother in law, the husband’s own mother! What disgraceful manners), let alone harpie types. I know of course it’s not a case of one or another, but the French way (for some people not all) overall just seems more civilised.

    The French way also applies to all ages. I knew older French women who spent significant amounts of time with a lover, … she’d be, say, 50-75, and the lovers would be similar. I knew one university professor who was at a *STAFF DINNER* with a younger man (maybe 10 years younger), who I assumed was her hudband, … and it as her lover. Her husband was in Germany at the time.

    And yet – it’s all unsaid, just open. And there was just one guy (openly). It’s all very, … French.

    And then there were the stories about single guys with two women – living together. I don’t know how common this was, but I did know one fellow who had set himself up with two very different but attractive women, and they were roommates – of a, … sort. It was well-known.

    It’s an odd country. The whole Discretion thing has its own peculiar rules, and there’s a culture of Respect and Discretion that applies to everyone.

    One fellow took umbrage that his wife had a lover – and believe it or not, he was seen as a loser not for having his wife find a lover – but because he made such a fuss about it. He humiliated himself – and more to the point – her. And I was told by three different people that *she* had behaved impeccably.

    It’s an odd country. Not everyone behaves this way, but the social rules surrounding it are confusing.

    “armchair multiculturalists (i.e., Moors were just fine, just so long as there weren’t any here.)”
    This is the second funniest thing in my day, I can imagine it completely, thank you for sharing! Actually, it’s a new day now so officially the funniest, so far 🙂

    Hehe.

    I loved France. It was so chockablock full of contradictions and bizarre social notions, it was a great place to be.

    But armchair liberals are the same everywhere. A sad thing to learn about the places you love.

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  136. Gorb–

    It’s my impression that French men have affairs a whole lot more often than women do, though that this has changed some over the last decade or two. I realize quite a few aristo women with hand from the wealth they might bring into arranged marriages etc. did this in the anciene regime, esp. once they’d provided an heir and spares.

    The woman who does this usually has some hand in a relationship, so she can get away with it. Lots of French marriages are like this.

    Well divorce theft there is nothing like how it automatically is here these hyper feminist days, if a woman just feels like divorcing while having an affair, I believe.

    As well do you have any idea if such elite class French women with lovers tend to continue having full and fairly frequent with their husbands, or want to?

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  137. AshleyMadison is a scam. Yeah, lots of women sign up seeking an “exciting affair” (AM’s words), but the vast majority never act on the impulse.

    I’m really good at online dating. I usually get at least a first date with 20% of the people I contact. This statistic has held for years across multiple dating sites. I’ve gotten married from online dating and had multiple long term relationships.

    Except with AshleyMadison. Women very rarely respond, and when they do it’s only for a message or two, and they enver agree to meet up.

    Also, most of the women on there are fat. Often 175 pounds and higher.

    My theory: their guys take them for granted or treat them like shit. They sign up for AshleyMadison, get a bunch of emails from horny guys, then feel validated. Once they feel validated, the go back to the shithead.

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  138. @Doug1
    Gorb–
    It’s my impression that French men have affairs a whole lot more often than women do, though that this has changed some over the last decade or two. I realize quite a few aristo women with hand from the wealth they might bring into arranged marriages etc. did this in the anciene regime, esp. once they’d provided an heir and spares.

    Women do it, too, they’re just more discreet. And they’re supposed to keep their marriages solid while they do this. They have “obligations” to their husbands – many obligations. Respect is foremost.

    Well divorce theft there is nothing like how it automatically is here these hyper feminist days, if a woman just feels like divorcing while having an affair, I believe.

    It’s not. First of all, cheating (respectfully) is not usually grounds for divorce. The shit that happens afterwards can be; but it’s not no-fault.

    As well do you have any idea if such elite class French women with lovers tend to continue having full and fairly frequent with their husbands, or want to?

    My lover did. Her husband traveled a lot. We never discussed it, but he assuredly had a lover (or two). She also had money of her own, though she wasn’t rich by any means.

    But it was understood that her relationship with her husband was – fundamentally – off limits to me. I don’t know a heck of a lot about it, from a pragmatic point of view.

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  139. That article about the Ashley Madison women said that the average age of the women who signed up was 36. I wouldn’t fuck a 36 year old if she showed up naked on my doorstep. Fucking a 36 year old woman? Are you kidding me? The absolute latest, and I mean latest cutoff to fuck a woman is 22. After that, what the fuck is the point?

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  140. On one hand, the fact that women are vile vermin who should NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER be married is disgusting. But on the other hand, how much of a fucking dumbass do you have to be to marry a woman? That is just idiotic.

    A woman will never look as hot as she does on her wedding day. Literally every second women are getting uglier. Think about it. Women have no value in life besides their physical attractiveness. Every second they are getting closer and closer to having zero sexual desirability.

    The fact that guys still think it is smart to get marry is incredible. I actually like seeing and reading about their misfortune though. It makes me laugh.

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  141. Tinderbox

    People like this are mistaken in the belief that their genius, correctness, and entitlement just aren’t appreciated enough and that bitterness and confrontation are the way to endear themselves and save their office/marriage.

    People have a host of pre-set responses to stimuli. Sometimes we respond to a stimuli in a way that is likely to give the opposite result to what we intend.

    Take the example of jealousy. Some women get so insane with their jealousy, it turns off the man, and he leaves her. Rather than use honey, she uses vinegar. But no man wants to hang with vinegar. Some women operate solely using mis-programmed pre-set responses, with no regard to outcome.

    But the problem for us men becomes that we don’t suck it up and realize that it’s our own fault for hanging around with vinegar. Our own fault for not having options, and choosing better options.

    When the woman assumes a relationship, no matter what she does, the man is to blame.

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  142. Men should become a bit more proactive and give mothers what they want on mothers day but at the same time claim fathers day as a day where they can do what they want. So you don’t want to spend time with your family and would rather drink beer with your mates? Then celebrate fathers day like the Germans do: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father%27s_Day#Germany

    Win-win.

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  143. Oh, and some women are irreparable and can not control themselves. Most women are, actually. Seventy percent of relationship satisfaction comes in mate choice. The other 30% is how well you train and stimulate the girl.

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  144. Gorbachev–

    My lover did. Her husband traveled a lot. We never discussed it, but he assuredly had a lover (or two). She also had money of her own, though she wasn’t rich by any means.

    That’s interesting. Makes me reconsider a central thesis of mine a bit. One example does not a social survey make, or even a very good anecdotal one. Though all you say about the french social rules on discretion and respect in having lovers was very and interesting and fleshed out what I already knew quite a bit.

    Was part of the discretion a sense of having barely plausible deniability with your french married lover’s circle of friends, if it ever came up fully above the table, while all the time really everyone knew and winked? I mean aside from her best friend or two and so on,who’d be silent.

    Anyway, I think this would tend to work a whole lot less well if women had affairs not really kept secret from their husbands in this country. There are not the same rules. There’s no shaming mechanism here whatsoever for a woman leaving her husband when they’re both having discreet affairs, or sexually neglecting him. That’s all totally up to her with no expectations even in today’s unfortunate married American zeitgeist.

    I mean two way open marriages happened in the 70s here with some frequency and were rarely stable. They can work when the husband takes a decidedly secondary sexual role with his wife it seems, or none, or if they have a D/s relationship and he’s directing her sexually w/others. Some considerable flavor of that w/me, though fmf is different.

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  145. @Doug1
    Gorbachev–
    My lover did. Her husband traveled a lot. We never discussed it, but he assuredly had a lover (or two). She also had money of her own, though she wasn’t rich by any means.

    That’s interesting. Makes me reconsider a central thesis of mine a bit. One example does not a social survey make, or even a very good anecdotal one. Though all you say about the french social rules on discretion and respect in having lovers was very and interesting and fleshed out what I already knew quite a bit.

    Was part of the discretion a sense of having barely plausible deniability with your french married lover’s circle of friends, if it ever came up fully above the table, while all the time really everyone knew and winked? I mean aside from her best friend or two and so on,who’d be silent.

    There was a general sense that 1) you don’t discuss other peoples’ sex lives, and 2) if it’s new, you keep it secret as much as possible and 3) if it’s been going on for a long time, the lover never intrudes on the rights of the husband and the husband never asks too many questions.

    The rule was: Don’t ask questions you don’t want to be answered.

    Love was possible, and it wasn’t just about sex, at all. You have to remember this: It was about romance as much as sex. Joy, in fact. Marriage was often like that, too. The French have a long tradition of this, and it’s got nothing to do with the modern world, at all: industrialism and feminism haven’t created this.

    I know my sample set isn’t big here, even good anecdotally, but I knew other people and I could see their attitudes. They weren’t as absolute.

    But you needed to show respect for others. No flaunting the sexual partner in public; no humiliating the husband (even if everyone knew: There was the Proper Way). No humiliating the wife (especially).

    It was assumed that powerful men had mistresses. Plural. That was standard. Also, politicians. People there thought Americans were *ACTUALLY* retarded and brutally stupid for going to town on Clinton.

    There’s no puritanical conservatism there. Instead, there’s a particularly French kind of conservatism.

    Anyway, I think this would tend to work a whole lot less well if women had affairs not really kept secret from their husbands in this country. There are not the same rules. There’s no shaming mechanism here whatsoever for a woman leaving her husband when they’re both having discreet affairs, or sexually neglecting him. That’s all totally up to her with no expectations even in today’s unfortunate married American zeitgeist.

    Yeah – the French social order is profoundly different. it’s structural. The attitudes are deep and complex in a way Anglo societies are not.

    I mean two way open marriages happened in the 70s here with some frequency and were rarely stable. They can work when the husband takes a decidedly secondary sexual role with his wife it seems, or none, or if they have a D/s relationship and he’s directing her sexually w/others. Some considerable flavor of that w/me, though fmf is different.

    fmf is pretty common in France, from what I read.

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  146. “The spikes are because men, on cue, act Beta on those days.”

    Holidays of all sorts, not just Valentine’s Day or Mother’s Day, tend to bring pre-existing family conflicts to a head. When I worked health care, December 26 was a huge day for mental hospital admissions.

    No one quits a relationship because of a disappointing holiday, but a disappointing holiday can be the last straw in an otherwise bad relationship. It can motivate people to make moves that they were contemplating or put off because of the holiday.

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  147. Say what you mean mean what you say and you will get what you want.

    ==

    Yeah. Welcome to the unemployment line,

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  148. The sisterhood sees infidelity differently. “Men (and you must say this with pure venom and hatred) FUCK AROUND!” If the guilty one is a woman well, then it’s “oh, she was lonely, the poor girl” And they believe it.

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  149. “Modern American married women — the most entitled, self-absorbed, selfish, egotistical collection of cunty harridans the world has ever known.”

    Right on!

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  150. “Women to chill out about keeping the house squeaky clean all the time. ”

    Roissy, you just highlighted one of the many atrocities that Western men need to live through. This is supposed to be some barely obtainable request coming from a man with more choice in women than most – getting a break from girly nagging because YOU didn’t clean your pad?? What a travesty.

    When I first moved to Asia, I got a kick out of saying things that would be considered ultra chauvenist in the West. Any time there would be remaining house chores, any reference to them would just be countered with something like a plain “But that’s your job, isn’t it”, or something in that vein. And I’m not talking about close friends here, but women I just met. Most of them didn’t even understand I said it with an element of humor.

    Even the hookers, chronically lazy, lying and immoral – even they will usually jump on any house work as soon as they see it. The non-fallen women are like freaking terminators of house chores. Once they’re on, they look like cartoons where you just see a blur of arms in a cloud while they’re doing the dishes. They will not stop even if you ask them several times. They’ll do meaningless chores just to keep their neurosis in check. They’ll protest if you’re dumb enough to try to help them. The thought that any woman who doesn’t take easily to house chores is utter trash is so ingrained in them that such women are considered much worse than guys who spend all the family money on booze and hookers, which is quite normal, even if it is looked down upon.

    Asia – a place of wonders. May it never change.

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  151. On the point of monogamy, an interesting study was published a few months ago, which suggested that monogamous marriage became the norm after a change in the prehistoric economy. That change was the advent of agriculture. It makes sense. In an agricultural society wealth is a function of the amount of land you own.

    Imagine you are a powerful Alpha male with lots of land. If you had scores of children with many women, each child would only inherit a tiny bit of land. You might have been rich and powerful, but your children will be poor and powerless. Naturally, that will reduce their reproductive success. To increase the reproductive success of your children you limit their number and marry a woman from a family that also has lots of land, ensuring your children have additional resources to draw on.

    As Roissy has pointed out, the welfare state turns this upside down. Because the government now pays for bastard spawn, it is in a woman’s interest to have as many children as possible with as many alpha males as she can find, whether or not he sticks around.

    As a male, if you are a NINJA (no income, no job, no assets), impregnating such trailer trash makes perfect sense. If you do have assets or a job, the equation is different depending on the legal jurisdiction you live in.

    Interesting what this will do to the gene pool.

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  152. Perhaps some pedestal game would have helped…

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  153. Another “adult” dating website caught out after engaging in fraudulent practices.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/22/2961211.htm

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  154. One of the problems with Western Women is that they either have too many choices or they delude themselves into thinking they have choices.

    Even to a rational , logical man , too much choice is not a good thing.

    Give too much choice , or the illusion of choice the women of a nation and you have a festering clusterfuck of epic proportions.

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  155. MMMMMMM Tube Amps.

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  156. @xplat: “Oh, and some women are irreparable and can not control themselves. Most women are, actually. Seventy percent of relationship satisfaction comes in mate choice. The other 30% is how well you train and stimulate the girl.”

    99% of statistics are bullshit.

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  157. I would actually agree on the mate choice thing, in fact I’d put it much higher for women on the basis that men are virtually impossible to change or control & have to be taken as they are. I think the reason why so many relationships fail now is because there is so much emphasis on choosing men on the basis of externalities at the expense of the simple question – are you both going to be able to get on with one another or not.

    But it is important for men too, unless you are the type of man who thrives on the challenge of controlling someone whose natural inclinations are to go the other way, which is an awful lot of work given that we all only have one life and (shock, horror) there is actually more to it than relationships.

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  158. My friend’s wife is an aging harpy who always nagged my friend – she was getting plump too. He is a handsome guy, physically fit, great job, bought her a great house, is a great father and she never worked.

    She started f*cking around on those websites and shagging all kinds of younger dudes. She left him and her kids for a sh*tty job as a waitress and a crappy apartment.

    He took his time and met a gorgeous girl, ten years younger and just out of med school. She lives with him and she is great with his kids and doesn’t harp at him.

    He gave his ex wife 40,000 to go away.

    So she lost her man, her marriage, her house and her children because she was a whore.

    lmao.

    She now regrets her behaviour.

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  159. Oh – and the cherry on top was last summer they were all at a barbeque and her eldest boy, now 12 I think blurts out, “Mommy always dates poor people.” Then he says, “Mommy’s new boyfriend called and she had to go down to the bar and pay his bill for him.”

    Now that is LOLZLOLZ

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  160. @Thunear

    On the point of monogamy, an interesting study was published a few months ago, which suggested that monogamous marriage became the norm after a change in the prehistoric economy. That change was the advent of agriculture. It makes sense. In an agricultural society wealth is a function of the amount of land you own.

    That sounds like a possibility, although primogenture, a system of the oldest son being the sole inheritor, did evolve in monogamous Europe in order to avoid breaking up estates.

    However, anything that increases civilization–agriculture, urbanization, etc.–will decrease the incident of polygamy. Polygamy benefitted the most alpha in older societies as those men could support more women. As societies began to afford more resources to a wider variety of men, polygamy was bound to die off.

    The welfare state has indeed turned the situation upside down in a manner that favors not the most competent men but alpha thugs.

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  161. @Greg

    “But god dam what the fuck am I supposed to do now?”

    Based on your wife’s reaction to you, I’d say either quit cheating or find a good divorce lawyer.

    Although I don’t know your wife, I doubt this is a shit test. This is about cheating, not a Valentine’s Day present that didn’t make her happy.

    No matter what your wife may have said about infidelty prior to the marriage, things have obviously changed with the birth of your son. Your wife sounds genuinely hurt. Her bringing up the possibility of her cheating was an attempt to make you understand her feelings and to make you empathize with her. Her threating to kill you is expressive of a great anger that comes from a great hurt.

    Your wife can make her own living. With fear of poverty out of the way, there are few reasons these days for a woman to live each day of her life with hurt in her heart. Women who are truly happy to allow men to have mistresses as long as they don’t abandon the family have ALWAYS been few and far between. Greater economic opportunities have made it less likely that a woman will swallow down her unhappiness. Most women in your wife’s position leave. Even if she decides to stay for the sake of son, it will be very hard for her to forgive and forget. Women whom I know who have managed to forgive, still never seem to forget. It seems likely to me that your infidelity is something that will stay a factor in your marriage for years to come, even if you stop now.

    Greg, I had decided last week not to post to you again because I don’t enjoy your speculations about my relationship with my husband, half of which I think you put out there just to get a rise out of me. I am responding to your question because you have a son who will no doubt be profoundly affected by what is going on in your marriage and I hate to see kids hurt. I hope that you will take the my post in that spirit.

    I’m not trying to snark, just to answer your question honestly. No matter whether or not you and I agree with each other about what is just or right in this situation, I think the outcome of the situation is fairly predictable. Your wife is going to continue to be unhappy about the cheating. That may well lead to another divorce for you. If you want to continue to be a fixture in your son’s life, you will probably sooner or later need a lawyer.

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  162. @Greg

    “It is almost enough to make me quit fucking other chicks. But yea if I did that what would happen then?
    Yea exactly.”

    There are millions of mutually monogamous couple in this world. If you really want to know what happens then, you should try to find out how people make that work.

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  163. on August 4, 2010 at 2:55 pm Charlesz Martel

    There is such a holiday as you mention- it’s called “Steak and Blowjob day”. The woman cooks a steak for her man, and..you get the idea. I suggest you promote it heavily! Include lots of “practice for the holiday days”, too!

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  164. Dreampuppy “99% of statistics are bullshit.”

    99.9% of people who repeat an ancient and well worn joke think they are being clever.

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  165. “Modern American married women — the most entitled, self-absorbed, selfish, egotistical collection of cunty harridans the world has ever known.”

    those aren’t the deal killers. the nihilism/self-destructiveness is. senselessly blowing up marriages, psycho ex wives ruining children and riven with bitterness, women destroying their bodies with obesity, the innumerable pointless hookups…

    the hookups are manna from heaven for the PUA, but a disaster for a man with honorable intentions. you can;t form lasting relationships with masochists.

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  166. So there you go, honored American father. Your wife and mother of your children is now justified in spreading her legs for strange cock because you gave her a cold cup of coffee in the morning and didn’t hand deliver the gifts to her as she lounged in bed.

    Lol I wouldn’t put it that way. There had to have been problems beforehand and it just exploded on Mother’s Day. And that’s how it manifested itself. And even though Mother’s Day really has nothing to do with the father, there’s nothing wrong with a dad taking part in celebrating mothers. The same goes for mothers celebrating fathers.

    A home-cooked, low carb and natural ingredient dinner ready for us when we get home.

    Really? Men as a whole are that picky about their food lol? And I would think that doing it 9,8,7 times out of ten would be ok. Doing it EVERYDAY can be difficult depending on the situation.

    I have more to say about a couple of your “expectations” but I know that you’re just making a point about it going both ways. So you may not be completely serious…but maybe you are.

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  167. Most men end up dying before their wives do because they want to.

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  168. Renee says, “Really? Men as a whole are that picky about their food lol? And I would think that doing it 9,8,7 times out of ten would be ok. Doing it EVERYDAY can be difficult depending on the situation.”

    You cook. If he doesn’t want to eat what you cook, he is free to spend his money where he likes.

    This is how I do it.

    When I went natural, everybody in my home went natural. If they want something else, they have to get it from somewhere else.

    Sounds a bit draconian when it’s written out like that, but it’s not so much.

    There’s a whole lot of room under the low to moderate carb, and natural food umbrella. It helps if you do it undetectably at first. Start making everything from scratch according to your great grandmothers’ methods, and serving more salads.

    We’ve all lost weight even without counting calories or carbs just from sticking to real food. The idea is that if it wasn’t food 300 years ago, it’s not food.

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  169. Just thought I’d chime in on the Ashley Madison topic…

    I’ve been “experimenting” with AM for a couple of months now, and let me tell you – its no scam. In fact, I would urge anyone who still doubts the observations and opinions of Roissy to come on out and give it a whirl yourself. You’ll be horrified/nauseated as every Roissy commandment is systematically proven time and time again. Cute, prim elementary school teachers, MILFs with 3+ small children, buttoned up corporate broads – they’re all out there, DYING to literally choke on an alpha cock. And they’ll do it in their homes, not bothering to worry about their husbands dropping by for a surprise lunch, etc. They’ll push aside the kids’ toys, watch with glee as you spew jizz all over their husband’s pillow/dining room table/couch, etc. They have no shame, no inhibitions and they are chomping at the bit to service a worthy man’s every need. I’ve got enough erotic messages/emails and explicit photos to fill a novel, all from women who barely knew me but liked my pics, the tone of my messages, etc. Delve in, and prepare to have your mind blown.

    I once read an article about guys who were starting to abstain from sex because they were sickened by “how easily a woman will climb onto an unprotected dick.” The behavior of women on AM seems to support this observation.

    Now, all this being said – I can see how some think its a scam. I fell into a common trap myself at first: thinking that going online would be “easier” because of the degree of anonymity involved. If you can hide behind an embellished pic (or no pic at all), you don’t have the pressure of a face to face approach, etc. then SURELY you can rope a 6-7 with relative ease, right?

    Well, that’s where you’re wrong. You see, there is no escape from the social hierarchy. The online space is not a vortex where hierarchies mysteriously don’t exist or are muffled in some way. They are still there, plain as day, and I would actually argue that they are AMPLIFIED. You see, there are just too many filters set up for the benefit of women in the online space – filters that nullify alot of the tried and true game tactics endorsed by this community. If you’re 5′ 2″ and you weigh 240, you can still do well at a bar or club. Your success is limited only by the amount and power of game “weapons” in your arsenal. If your game is tight you can still get 8-10s even if you look like Jabba the Hut. Online? Not so much. Ever try to neg in an IM? How well do you think your wit and sarcasm is gonna carry over in a (paid for) message sent to a woman (who’s looking for an Adonis) who already knows you’re built like an obese Gary Coleman and probably hung like a 4 year old boy? You get my point. You won’t even get to first base online if you don’t have great pics, a pitch perfect profile, and good stats (taller than 6′, thin, etc.). And in case you’re less than perfect physically and were looking for even more reasons to HATE online dating – the entitled princesses out there who are slapping their knees in and guffawing at your shitty profile are probably mostly 4s at best. That’s right. Somewhere out there in an impoverished suburb outside of Shreveport, cigstache is sitting down at her computer to a box of Ding Dongs and 2 packs of menthols, rubbing her hands together with anticipation as she cracks open her email and is greeted by 200+ messages from AM suckers. And then she’s gonna gingerly pat her grotesque fupa and grin as she thinks to herself “hmm, maybe life ain’t so bad after all” [long drag on a dirty cigarette butt]. Its an unfair travesty, I know. But such is life.

    Now, the flip side is, if you’ve got a good look, you can clean up. I’m 6′, 200 lbs and I have a 6 pack that I proudly display on every one of the 6 pics I have on my profile. I get inquiries almost daily. I’ve met up with three women, blown one off, fucked one, and am meeting up with one next week that is chomping at the bit to fuck (bear in mind I’ve only been on AM for a couple of months). Now, I get alot of inquiries from WHALES, 2-3s, etc. but who cares? I don’t take it that seriously – its only a supplement to my primary goal of developing tight game. I still pursue tail in the “real” world whenever I have the opportunity. If you play your cards right and you keep it in the right context, AM is great. And actually, to take it one step further and refute the “scam” label, I would say that they are actually very cool/fair. For example, I’ve paid to send messages to profiles that were suspended or deleted, and AM has graciously refunded the credits I spent to send the message.

    Moral of the story? In case it hasn’t been pounded into your head enough so far – YOU STILL NEED GAME! There is no hiding place from the cold realities of the sexual market place. Get to the gym or get your game on – or preferably do both. And do it now.

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  170. Great comment, T. Fucking dead on. I love that description of the chain smoking pig reading and deciding which one of *us* is good enough for *her.* So true. And amazingly, she will get laid by a halfway decent guy if she wants, just because that’s how the numbers work.

    I have to especially agree with: “The online space is not a vortex where hierarchies mysteriously don’t exist or are muffled in some way. They are still there, plain as day, and I would actually argue that they are AMPLIFIED.” Not understanding that is the biggest reason so many guys have zero success there. They think 8’s or 9’s are going to magically want to have sex with them, just because . . . just because . . . well, I have no idea what makes them think the internet somehow makes women *less* choosy.

    I didn’t know AM would refund credits spent on suspended or deleted profiles. That happens to me all the time, so I may have to take advantage of that.

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  171. Yeah, really good point about online dating in general, not just AM.

    I’ve had some small measure of success w/ the usual suspects, but Chateau and a number of blogs have given pretty good reasons why it’s an uphill climb (numbers game, too much validation, and it nullifies in many ways your ability to be aloof and indifferent).

    When I first signed up for some dating sites, I just assumed it would be a gold mine/fish in the barrel type thing. But my overall conversion rate was really, really low, in fact, typically I would get no response at all even if I employed a pretty good frame w/ my communications.

    If anything, it reinforced how powerful real game is, b/c so much of it comes down to context, body language, and how you play off others and your environment, things that are very difficult to do in a digital space (but which I’ve seen some guys do very well in their own way).

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    don’t tell me you actually received one as a gift, r

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  176. I wonder what Correy Worthington’s and Josh Camacho’s future wifes will say when they forget Mother’s Day, as I’m sure they will.
    Will the wifes still think they are so hot and worth killing for?

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  177. Never heard of the site till now. This post has inspired me to join Ashley Madison and hopefully get some wifely puzzy. Just uploaded some photos now.

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