Reader Mailbag: The Fire Was Never There

“John Smith” writes about a broken engagement that didn’t work out as he had hoped,

I met this girl 18 months ago on a party and we really hit it off. I mean she was funny, beautiful and what not and I was the total stud… BUT she was engaged… and in a long distance relationship. Now I know that these don’t last (and in the end it didn’t) so I decided to stick around and see how things evolve.

I stated my intentions in the beginning (not that lame not to) and she knew from the very beginning what I wanted from her (to fuck her brains out) and she was ok with that- in a nutshell she told me “I would fuck you too but I’m engaged you know. I’m waiting for my fiance to move here and to start living together. However you’re a cool and funny guy so I want us to be friends. Don’t expect anything from me as long as I’m engaged”.

Long story short we kept seeing each other (like once a week). I have to mention as well there were two big fights between us with like a 2-3 months pause in our relations (yeah it was a strange relationship) about some stupid shit but we made up again and kept seeing each other. Her fiance was sick with their long distance relationship so he broke with her 2 months ago.

Now here comes the conclusion: her fiance broke off with her and I made my move. I told her that I want her and that she’s an amazing woman (I really mean that… more or less) [ed: I’m sure you do, but does that help you bang her?] and we started seeing each other more often. HOWEVER I sensed that something wasn’t right… There was some distance… something between us (in a negative way) and she wouldn’t let me close (you know what I mean). So I confronted her and asked her what the fuck is going on? And she told me that “yes she wanted to fuck me back then” and “yes she tought I was a cool and sexy motherfucker” but now “after so much time together” she sees me only as a friend. She couldn’t feel any atraction to me and that’s it- there couldn’t be anything between us! (no comment here). The thing is she keeps giving me signs that she wants the D (or at least I see things that way, but people around us as well tell me that when they observe us they think she likes me). That’s why I kept seeing her.

But one night after she rejected my offer to go see a movie or something like that which envolved going out only with me and beeing more intimate (again) I got pissed off and told her that this can’t go on like this (on the phone). I told her basically that I want her as a woman not as a friend and I always wanted her that way and basically I’m not interested in this bullshit pretend friendship and that we can’t be “just” friends. She was upset of course because I’m a good friend and a cool and funny guy who takes care of her, but I was sick with that crap and that was it. (It really pissed me off that thing about “too much time has passed THE FIRE ISN’T THERE ANYMORE”- she gave the speech again I swear I imploded internally when I heard this bullshit again).

So basically I told her that things can’t go one like this- we could still see each other and what not but I won’t be as envolved with her as before because there is not motivation for me anymore. So what’s your take on this whole thing? It’s not like I’m desperate- there are plenty of fish in the sea. It’s just that she’s smoking hot 😀 I’m curious about your opinion.

I hope you’ve enjoyed your years-long stay in the friendzone, because that’s exactly where you’ve been this whole time.

A few facts about the friendzone:

1. It doesn’t matter what she says now
2. It doesn’t matter what she said in the past
3. It doesn’t matter what your friends or her friends say
4. It doesn’t matter how strongly you feel about her
5. It doesn’t matter how much of a stud you think you are

All that matters is the receptivity of her pussy to your dick. Anything less than her full frontal assault on your crotch is meaningless white noise, more distracting than illuminating.

When a girl says that the “fire isn’t there anymore”, you can bet that the fire was never there. She was using you as a temporary cock prop to feed her need for self-esteem. With her fiancé away, you filled in nicely as the asexual lump who could give her the flattery her distaff soul craved.

Once the fiancé broke it off (and that should have been a huge red flag that she was still in love with him, because girls rarely fall out of love with men who initiate the leaving protocol), the nature of your platonic relationship with her changed. You were no longer a harmless side show. Now you were a dude with a raging boner who was dribbling acidic pre-cum of spite and bitterness and desperation all over her soft cardigan. And you cemented that impression by “making your move” and coming on very sexually as soon as you thought the coast was clear. Finally, you buried any remote chance at sex by indulging in a symphony of butthurt with your little speech about not being able to “go on like this anymore”.

Big mistake. If you had any shot with this girl, you needed to do the opposite of what you did. After the engagement ended, she was expecting you to accelerate into your natural beta chaser mode. Instead, had you slowed down and pushed away and put some emotional and physical distance between the two of you, the shock and strangeness of your behavior would have stoked her curiosity. She’s known all along you wanted her — you told her! — so you needed to sow some serious doubt about your intentions and her ability to read your intentions. You needed to preemptively eject, and return later when she had hamstered up after a few weeks of circular self-analysis questioning her desirability to you.

The main lesson here is to never put yourself in these emasculating social positions that feed your powerlessness. Stop being friends with women you want to bang.

Maxim #3: Bang first, befriend later.

Follow that maxim, and so many troubles that afflict the lonely beta male evaporate.

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This provincial reader needs game advice that doesn’t require frequent flyer miles,

Please address what a man should do if he’s not well-travelled.

Girls usually react negatively when they find out I’ve not travelled extrensively.  Should I have a few go-to lies about travel experiences?

A dearth of travel experience is one of the easiest deficiencies to fix. So easy, it’s a wonder more men don’t bother putting in the minimal work to remake their worldliness. All you need to do is Wiki some basic knowledge about a few key European cities — Paris, London, Madrid, Prague, Rome, Venice, Berlin, Amsterdam, Stockholm, Kiev (for a challenge) — memorize it, and regurgitate it with a little personal spin added for authenticity. Travel tidbits you should have mentally available to season a conversation to taste include a couple of famous landmarks, a local restaurant name and cuisine, the name of a popular mode of local transport, the name of a nightclub, the language spoken, and a favorite local food or drink. These are the basics. If your memory and your love of tall tales are inexhaustible, you can add smaller details like the style of dance, the local fashion sense, the attitude toward foreigners, and a couple of funny stories that involve you and some irate or smitten native (depending on the mood you’re trying to evoke in your listener).

The Wiki option is far cheaper in money and time spent than the alternative. There are other sources besides Wiki, of course. Reading up on travel hot spots and studying the travel guides for local flavor should be as much a part of your game as learning negs and qualifications.

One go-to travel lie I’ve used in the past (when I was a stripling who had yet to cut a swathe across the globopolitan landscape of ladies) is a story about riding a scooter through the cypress-lined olive groves of Tuscany and getting lost on my way to visit a pen pal who lived in a nearby town. Searchig vainly for road signs I could interpret, I stopped at the side of a road in a cloud of dust to watch a fetching Italian girl read a book under a shade tree. I motioned for her to come to me, and she approached. I asked if she spoke English. She didn’t, so we spent twenty minutes communicating by drawing our thoughts in the dirt with sticks.

At the time I told this story to an entranced American girl, it wasn’t true. It became true, more or less and give or take some honeyed details, later in life. But why wait for love until later in life? Make love when you can, because it is good. And you don’t want to be one of those men who regrets the pussy he never slammed.

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“Dentata” (troll alert) writes,

Walking down street with a fling, we pass a guy and his girl, he says hi, my fling says hi. A few seconds later, rolling her eyes and smiling a bit, “I haatte that guy. I work with him, he’s such a twit”.

When I chick signals her dislike for a guy, it’s usually an indicator of inchoate tingles right?

Context, my quasi-trollish friend. Context. If she’s telling you that she hates a certain guy, it could just be a womanish ruse at rapport greased with the viscera of a surrogate chump. Her “hatred” is irrelevant in this scenario. She may despise her coworker or merely chafe at his annoying nerdliness or his choice of footwear. The point isn’t him, it’s you. Her giddy utterance is Krazy Glue to bond your “fling” more tightly and change its molecular structure to the polymer L-T-R.

In general, it’s a good rule of thumb that when a girl explicitly declares her “hate” for this or that man, it means something sexually sinister is lurking beneath her superego surface. Women as a sex (feminists excluded) are not disposed to air their hatred of other men so cavalierly. Be especially wary if a woman expresses “hatred” for a particular man more than once or twice. Female hatred is as often repressed sexual desire as it is authentic malevolence.

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A reader wants to know if his good friend (hmm) executed good game,

My good friend ran into an interesting situation with a girl he picked up off street-game. According to him, he didn’t overgame in the initial interaction but he is known to be a bit gamey so take that with grain of salt. He number closes and sets up a date.

The following all happened today:

Him: “T, NYC from a local’s eyes — Meet me at 50th n 5th @ 7th — wink if u hear meh!!”

Her: “Are you peacocking? And will you kino me? Maybe neg me, too. Because that’s what you usually do right?”

So at this point he reaches out to me and asks me how to respond. I consult some of my buddies that I game with and these were some of the choices:

Option A) “Wow I see you read the game. I think I’m supposed to keep plowing and tell you to shut up and meet me at 7!” (That was my choice, read it from a YaReally comment that was similar awhile back)

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Option B) “I’m doing all of those things right now simultaneously n one sentence, and looking good doing them too”

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Option C) “Someone read The Game”

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Option D) “I’ve got my top hat and magic tricks ready”

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Option E) “Put on your sexiest underwear, since you know what to expect”

Ultimately my buddy went with option A…

Him: “Wow I see you read the game. I think I’m supposed to keep plowing and tell you to shut up and meet me at 7!”

Him: “Text me if ur late!”

Her: “You can’t communicate with girls without memorizing scripts can you”

Again, my buddy consulted me and we came up with two choices from here:

Option A) “Oh I was actually doing this thing called ‘asking a cute girl out ona date’but if u want I’ll bring my top hat too”

~~~

Option B) “Damn, you caught me> I’ve been typing in the Don Corleone lines from the Godfather. Maybe I should have picked a different movie.”

~~~

Ultimately my buddy went with Option A….

And then he got this:

Her: “I am sorry but this ‘date’ is not going to happen”

~~~

So yeah, he hasn’t responded to that as of this time and not sure what’s the best move. I’m sure the best move could have been early on. Maybe he was overgaming in the initial interaction or agreeing and amplifying wasn’t the way to go.

Or this girl wasn’t even worth his time and my buddy is better off for it. Ammmmmiright? (Guys?)

The way I saw it, he had 3 choices when she called out game in her first reply

1) Disregard and keep plowing 2) Agree and amplify 3) Bend to her frame

As I type this, I realize that ellipsis game may have been the best route.

“, “gay”, “ssshh” all would have worked instead of the lengthy responses your friend sent. But my favorite is the recently unearthed “emoji game“. A graphic of a cat sitting next to a birthday cake strikes me as the ideal mix of no-fuck-given alpha ‘tude and teasing, flirty vibe for a girl who thinks she’s gotten one over on you.

In all my years of womanizing, I’ve never come across a woman who spitefully referenced potential game tactics I may use on her as diligently and interrogatively as this girl did. This means one of three possibilities: 1. your friend is not calibrated properly and comes on too hard as an oily player, 2. this girl is a thermonuclear feminist cunt who lives for those rare moments she can pretend she’s “calling out” a player and striking a blow for the sisterhood, or 3. she’s a slut who’s been burned in the past by a succession of players and has refined antennae that will pick up the faintest player perturbations.

Your friend understood the concept of “agree & amplify”, but he lost ground in the execution. One, his replies did sound somewhat canned. I think some of those lines have been around for a decade. In NYC, there’s a chance that more than a trivial number of girls have actually heard the same lines from other men on the make. This doesn’t invalidate the idea of A&A, but it does confirm the wisdom of knowing your mark.

Two, in the application of A&A, he violated a core CH Poon Commandment V: the golden ratio. The CH principles take precedence over the particular game tactics that animate those principles. This means that a game tactic will fail if it veers too far from its founding principle. In this case, your friend sent verbose texts that sub-communicated his lower value and his chaser role, especially set side by side with the relatively terse replies the girl sent him.

Agree and amplify is a fantastic game technique, but like all techniques its delivery should be stylistically massaged to suit the degree of defensiveness of your female target. As an example of what I’m talking about, let’s revisit that first reply she sent to your friend.

Her: “Are you peacocking? And will you kino me? Maybe neg me, too. Because that’s what you usually do right?”

You: “Peacocking sounds like a perverted sex move. Slow it down Samantha.”

See what I’ve done here? I internally identified my target as a loser “sex and the city” NYC bitch with something to prove, so I pull out a harsh reply that would stall her offensive charge. I avoid any “game” talk because that is not really breaking out of her frame; I figure that mentioning game, even re-contextualized, will risk emboldening her attack. Then I not so subtly imply her attitude is sex-drenched and that is the real cause of her defensiveness. This should relax her as the burden is now on her to prove I’m a player instead of a fantasy figure from her overactive imagination.

I smell the telltale stink of the troll in this letter, but I let it go for educational purposes. Most of you men throwing yourselves into the field will not meet women like this one, so don’t worry about it. I’ve met, if my calculations are correct, approximately four women total who made some sort of direct, needling reference to game tactics. All four’s objections were quickly overcome.

However, the world is a big place, and there are bitches out there who will play this kind of “gotcha” game with men, so it helps to have a few retaliatory weapons of mass seduction at your disposal.

PS Drop the “wink if u hear meh!!” crap. It’s girly.

PPS Of the options you gave us, (A) was actually the worst of the bunch. I would have gone with (D) from the first round and neither from the second round. Speaking of which,

Her: “You can’t communicate with girls without memorizing scripts can you”

You: “I’ll make you an offer you can’t refuse.”

Cheekiness is next to tingliness.





Comments


  1. On the fake travel thing: Google Map is your friend. Pick a city (eg Paris) and use the streetview to “walk” the streets. Pick streets that aren’t well-known, for local color (eg Paris: Rue Cler which is an open-air market). Spend a couple hours “walking” the.streets, memorize the names of a few bistros/restaurants, and nobody would know the difference. Avoid super-exotic places, keep to the usual tourist cities (London, Paris, Rome etc).

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    • For extra tingles, say that your company sent you there for a training course or to help open a new office. Exec Market Value.

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    • If you’re not interested in travel, then don’t pretend you are. Women’s prime reason for traveling is to slut around in relative anonymity — that’s why they’re called slutcations. It’s not impressive; it’s gross. There’s no reason you, a man with options and self-respect, should acknowledge in any way the validity of her slatternly behaviors.

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      • A woman away from home has no neighbors.

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      • That’s valid if the end goal is a long term relationship and when trying to illicit tingles in a cold approach one of the last things you want in an LTR is a chick who’s DTF with a globe trotter. Elementary stuff brahh

        Pretend you are to get the bang…that’s the whole point of the post

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    • Being in DC, I encounter a -much- higher than average percentage of women who have the means to go international. So you will frequently see this little shit-test pop up here.

      When it does, and particularly if in a qualifying way, I’m 100% in agreement with yerwrong. She is a status whoring, whore. I immediate change my angle of attack if I sense this. What could have been a person I’d hung out with for a few months now becomes a pump and dump. One whose inflated sense of self-importance I will carve up like a thanksgiving turkey before I’m finished.

      Being that I have a very respectable travel dossier too, I can usually roll with it but the google/wiki combo never hurts to fill in some holes where you don’t have passport stamps.

      I will definitely start negging right out of the gate because there are few things in life that give me more pleasure than tearing down know nothing American women who think they have any inclining of an geographic location by simply stepping off a plane there.

      “Oh you were in Napoli?” So I presume you went south to Sorreno and drove the Amalfi coast in a little rental car, THAT, is the way to see the place and will scare the piss out of you!

      “Oh you did? Great, clearly you are in the know about the true way to travel” I also then presume you knew to stop in Tramonti off the SP1. Ahh, you missed that? Some of the most important historical works in the region are on that mountain. It is definitely off the beaten path and not very popular with tourists who really don’t know anything about the region. (Neg)

      I’ll do this enough times in the conversation to shred her smug little perch and get her on the offensive. This is just about required game for DC if you are dating in the white collar circles. Those girls just loooooove to name drop their travel venues.

      After I’ve hooked her and had lots of hate sex w/ her (preferably with copious choking and insulting) and grow bored of her Tales From The (Boardroom, Political Assembly, Marketing Meeting, Sales Convention) then the destruction commences, unbridled.

      Always in the reverse shit test fashion. “WHAT? You went to Japan and didn’t visit Hokkaido.” You thought it was a separate place? It is really cute when you show your cultural and geographic ignorance like that.

      Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Within short order she will be calling me all the normal stuff, “asshole, arrogant, etc.” Then I will put in one last soothing gesture to get her a little back to center and drop all contact. They tend to text me later…

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      • “After I’ve hooked her and had lots of hate sex w/ her (preferably with copious choking and insulting) and grow bored of her Tales From The (Boardroom, Political Assembly, Marketing Meeting, Sales Convention) then the destruction commences, unbridled.”

        *standing ovation*

        (with raised glass of congyack)

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    • Fag, which is it: did you have game or did not have game? Were you lying then or are you lying now?

      Rape!

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    • Damn I always do that when custs aks the walk in office in DC for WG.
      They really think I was there downtown

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  2. When confronted with this: “Are you peacocking? And will you kino me? Maybe neg me, too. Because that’s what you usually do right?”

    Response: “WTF are you talking about?”

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    • Either that last letter was a flat-out fabrication, or game is making natural spastics even more socially inept than they already are.

      A girl who is conversant in game? There are a dozen ways to go with that. It’s like finding a hundred dollar bill on the street.

      But not only does he pause to get advice from a friend … that friend huddles with another group of spazzes and the grand committee of outcasts puts their collective head together and comes up with … “Oh I was actually doing this thing called ‘asking a cute girl out on a date’ but if u want I’ll bring my top hat too.”

      This country is fucked.

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      • Of course, considering I am posting on a game blog where seduction techniques are frequently debated, discussed, and analyzed, my comment may be seen in an ironic light and appear as being absurd.

        In any case, even though I post on a game blog, I don’t need anyone to give me any tips on seduction. I am just here to evangelize and quote scripture when I can. In terms of women, when in doubt, I usually text the girls something about repenting before Jesus sends them to hell’s fiery gates, and that usually scares them enough to give me their attention and let me work my “real magic” on them.

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      • although i have come here for game advice, it’s more of a place for me to study the macro then the micro, so MK I found your comments on the $, you are 100% right it sounds straight autistic

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    • Even if she logically knows that this it what you are doing, it won’t matter if your game is working on her. Depending on the actual dynamic, this could be a shit test or she realized that you are being incongruent and over gaming. Either way you can still respond by agreeing and amplifying. Your response might sound defensive if it wasn’t accompanied by a mischievous smirk.

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    • “WTF are you talking about” is too try hard. A far superior option would be “?”. Heartiste’s response is also pretty good. I like the question mark best of all, however, as it says he doesn’t know what she’s talking about and doesn’t care to issue a proper response to her bizarre ramblings.

      Of course, he was probably already fucked when she sent that. If I was a chick and I received the “wink if you hear meh!!!” text, I would immediately delete the guy’s number.

      The godfather response might have saved it, though. Heartiste was absolutely dialed in today.

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    • “‘Her: “You can’t communicate with girls without memorizing scripts can you”
      Again, my buddy consulted me and we came up with two choices from here:”

      Looks like the girl was spot on

      [CH: no one wants to know how the sausage is made.]

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      • PUAnalysis is where the sausage is unmade.

        It’s like a toddler pulling the wings off a butterfly and then wondering why it doesn’t flutter anymore. All magic tricks, no real magic.

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      • Of course ,my years of dogmatically following religion have attuned my antennae and made me an expert in discerning what “real” magic is.

        PUA techniques, as I have implied, are not real magic – only Jesus can do that.

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      • do you know him personally? i heard he walks on water with no floatbands

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    • My thought was: “maybe ?”

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    • Response: “speak english plz”

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  3. WRT the girl calling out game tactics. Someone recently pointed out the male side of this is so formulaic that you could auto-generate it. The flip side of that coin is that it would be trivial to write an app that DETECTS GAME TEXTING.

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    • Not true. I have noticed some subtle trolling in the Sphere of late, which could easily lead to discrediting misconceptions.

      “Without ambition one starts nothing. Without work one finishes nothing. The prize will not be sent to you. You have to win it. The man who knows how will always have a job. The man who also knows why will always be his boss. As to methods there may be a million and then some, but principles are few. The man who grasps principles can successfully select his own methods. The man who tries methods, ignoring principles, is sure to have trouble.”

      — Ralph Waldo Emerson

      Science w/o art is no longer science. Most men and virtually all women cannot grasp principles (or contextual appropriateness). That explains Krauser’s tweet:

      Q: “How long does it take for an average man to become good at Game?”
      A: “Average men don’t become good at Game.”

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    • The point of the formula is to transcend the formula. The point of an if-then flowchart is to internalize the ethos so completely that you never have to consult it.

      Blame the teachers. They emphasize the entry-level magic tricks as untouchable idols when they should emphasize that they are training wheels to be shed as soon as possible. This creates a false mentality: do this and she’ll do that — rather than time-tested improv exercises like “Yes-And” or sales techniques like “Assume The Sale” which help develop the student’s impromptu muscles.

      If any one of that gaggle of by-the-number social engineers, that Big Bang Theory of PUA nerdbots, had an ounce of imagination not supplied to them by Markovic or Strauss, they could have run with that chick to any level they wanted to.

      “You read that book too? Isn’t it great? Let’s try it out and see if it works. This is a neg, does that work? Okay, here comes my kino attempt.”

      Make fun of it. Make fun of yourself. Have her explain the gist of the concepts in her own words. “Can’t it be really weird behavior and effective at the same time?” “I would only ever try those silly games on super hot dimwits. (How was that neg?)” Find the doofiest roided-up PUA site on the planet and tell her that’s where you get all your tips.

      But once the girl deviates from the script, these permanent novices text their buds in a panic, what o what should I do?!?!?

      I regularly conclude that guys like these are trolls — just to keep my optimism intact.

      Matt

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      • ^ this. Make the interaction fun

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      • Meh. If you’re in the mood. She’s there to entertain you.

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      • Yes. Guys read Neil Strauss or Tucker Max and they think the end goal is to become just like Neil Strauss or Tucker Max. (My younger self pleads guilty.) Both of them have said the real point is to live your live on your own terms, and their stories are just about how they happen do that. But most guys just see that they get laid a lot and want to imitate them. They think the technique makes the man and not vice versa.

        You referred to them as social engineers. Maybe it’s an engineering mindset (the old saw is that good engineers are as lazy as possible), maybe it’s good old youth, inexperience, and impatience. When you have a problem, you don’t care as much about the background that’ll make you a better problem solver, you just want to know what tool will fix the fucking problem, right now.

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      • on December 9, 2013 at 4:44 pm ballsweatsoop

        First of all, I’m not disagreeing with you, although sentences like “The point of the formula is to transcend the formula. ” strike me as giggerish.

        But, my point is that if a fucking slutbag whore can detect it, then I guaranfuckingtee you that I can write an app to detect it (***). At which point every whore with an iphone will be getting little red warnings next to these guys’ text messages. “WARNING: GAME TEXT LEVEL 9 IN PROGRESS.”

        So, if you are worried about needing to go through these formulas…

        Personally, I don’t lurk at this place for formula. I do visit for that more fundamental (you say “transcendent”?) enlightenment. Advice. Insight. Humor. Whatever.

        (*** to take that further my app would compare text message to Google search results and figure out where the texts are originating from on sites like this, Step 1(c) would be to see whether a text message had been posted anywhere. Step 3 … profit.)

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      • on December 9, 2013 at 4:44 pm ballsweatsoop

        giggerish => gibberish, but I the original has a sort of hilarious appeal

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      • > “The point of the formula is to transcend the formula.”

        Giggerish: “Da point da formula be to tran-, to tran-, to tran-, Got damn it, nigger, to tran-da-fuck-what??? Da fuck deese crazy-ass white boyz be talking bout, any-Got-damn-way? Shee-yut. Formula my ass.”

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      • If it’s so easy, then write it.

        A woman isn’t going to write that app, that’s for damn sure. Larry Summers ftw.

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      • “The point of the formula is to transcend the formula.”

        Agreed. That’s why we break down WHY routines work and encourage guys to create their own.

        “rather than time-tested improv exercises like “Yes-And””

        Oh you mean like:

        http://www.puadrills.com/drills/2011/06/yes-and-improv-game/
        https://www.google.com/search?q=rsdnation+“improv+classes”

        I even found Yes And recommendations from like 2005 (around when The Game came out) lol

        “or sales techniques like “Assume The Sale””

        Oh you mean like “Assume Attraction”, one of the earliest PUA maxims from the David DeAngelo days?

        No please, do tell us more about what PUAs don’t teach. You’re clearly very knowledgable and have done your research since you expect people to take you seriously.

        “I regularly conclude that guys like these are trolls — just to keep my optimism intact.”

        Weird, that’s what I regularly conclude you are…and yet here you are, still typing away lol

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      • Oh you mean like…

        Come on, man. Simple reading skills.

        I said there is a place for all these techniques, including scripts. My point was two-fold:

        1) PUA’s are reinventing the wheel, slapping their own labels on venerable concepts, and claiming it for their own — fine, whatever gets the Gospel out to the thirsty. But you are doing a lot of unnecessary work of reconstruction when you can simply utilize a translation key.

        2) The bad pedagogy is a matter of emphasis. You do too much lengthy, minute Field Report analysis when you should be training them to analyze on the fly. Rather than advise after-the-fact and online, show them how to be their own best critics and strengthen their creativity muscles so that they might unfuck their own mistakes in real time. Hence, improv and sales.

        Matt

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  4. on December 9, 2013 at 11:48 am RappaccinisDaughter

    …OK, remember a couple of weeks ago when I suggested that maybe it would be best to avoid canned lines, because some women are now starting to pick up on them? This was the sort of thing I was talking about.

    …remember that graphic you posted of how women’s brains are wired, implying that women’s brains are focused strongly on communication? That was the science behind my statement. Say what you will about women—and holy shit, have you ever—we’re pretty good at picking up on disconnects between your nonverbal cues and your speech patterns.

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    • An experienced woman will only pick up on amateur game. There are so many women to choose from and so many betas that when a man has real game it is refreshing to women and welcome. No doubt it was a troll. It’s game was bad from the beginning and the premise reeks.

      I do not fear game will ever become known enough. If one woman calls you out, big deal, next

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      • on December 9, 2013 at 12:21 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        I actually don’t disagree with you. It *is* refreshing to talk to a guy who is confident and doesn’t act needy…I’m guessing that’s what you mean by “real game.”

        And yeah, this could be a troll. It’s a little too perfect, know what I mean?

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      • on December 9, 2013 at 12:22 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Wait, Immoral Gables below says he wrote it. I take the “troll” thing back.

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      • It all comes into focus now.

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      • on December 9, 2013 at 12:41 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Speaking of trolls, were you as disappointed as I was that our mutual admirer didn’t make the sockpuppets he created for us fuck?

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      • Give GBFM time.

        I would be disappointed with anything less than a Zeitgeist-length cartoon posted to YouTube with us as stars. I have no doubt he is drawing up storyboards as we speak.

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      • on December 9, 2013 at 1:01 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        I seriously doubt Legion is the real GBFM; I’m pretty sure he just sockpuppeted GBFM.

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      • Doubt it no more. He will only factor your miscalculation into his Epic Troll Playhouse Drama.

        All the tells are there. If I were as OCD-ravaged as he is, I’d catalog them for you. Like any omega, that unmedicated hysteric remembers slights from years back and obsesses over them as though they were Elvis stamps in a philatelist’s wet dream.

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      • on December 9, 2013 at 1:46 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Honestly, who cares who he “really” is? It’s so instructive to get a peek behind this person’s mask of sanity.

        I’m also enjoying writing “50 Shades of Your Mom,” which is the only type of reply to him that seems to…make it through the filter.

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      • on December 9, 2013 at 1:54 pm RappaccinisaDyke

        So, the dynamic duo return.

        In addition to being an old, used-up whore, with a manjaw and a chest as flat as a Chinese boy, who had herself sterilized because she knew she never wanted a child, RD has also outed herself as a grunting bulldyke with her previous spastic remarks fantasizing about my mom. And her closet homosexuality is further on display here, right now.

        And for someone who has called Matt King creepy, and got all butthurt when he asked an innocent question, she seems to now be in intimate conversation with her favorite white knight. What’s next, a pegging session? We all await with bated breath.

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      • as funny as this back and forth is to sadists like myself, i gotta put a stop to it. no one cares and it’s killing the flow of the comments action. too much ebb, not enough flow.

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      • No, CH. Let them continue to cry on each other’s shoulders. It’s a good illustration of human nature.

        As CH (the real one) taught us, once you hit people where it hurts – call Rappaccicini out on being an unfeminine and undesirable old divorcee hag that is a veteran carousel rider, and Matthew King out on being a hypocritical Jesus freak whose thesaurus-fueled posts have no place on a game blog – they become very noticeably butthurt and hysterical at having their very essences unmasked, impugned, and mockingly showcased for everyone else to see.

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      • Amberlina = GBFM = troll puppet

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      • Real life examples always trump your imaginary ones, hey

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      • I have never been so awkward where my “real life examples” come anything close to your crash-and-burn-and-never-learn anecdotes of social catastrophe.

        Hey.

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      • on December 9, 2013 at 1:03 pm immoralgables

        Matt, you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.

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      • Discretion is the better part of valor.

        See! I can insert cliché as a substitute for wisdom too. To a certain desperate (and therefore credulous) kind, the two are indistinguishable.

        In a contest with limited ammo, it’s best to make every one count. Your quantity leads to quality leaves plenty to be desired as a pedagogical principle.

        What kind of targets are you aiming at, son? Some hunters have sniper rifles for the rarest game, others blast scatershot through a farmyard of warpigs and call it “APPROACH MOAR.”

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      • matt, you might be a douche but at least you have a purpose even though im not sure what it is.

        that said, don’t fuck with the philosophically challenged. just pity em. there but for the grace of god…..

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      • Immoralgables,
        Looks like you aren’t the only one dissatisfied with your Matt King experience. I’m not a fan of the website, but the comment section of a particular post is a real hoot:

        http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2013/01/banning-matt-aka-king-a.html?m=1

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      • Patriarch- Some highly comedic shit on that thread, thanks for the link.

        “When he does find a status-hierarchy worth fighting for, he brings a Death Star to a knife fight.”

        “I think he must have been sodomized with a thesaurus at some point, leading to his comically pompous manner of communication.”

        Although, I would say that bringing the Death Star to a knife fight, is quite the right way to approach in some instances… Shock and Awe, and all that then, innit? (hat tip: Dubya)

        I don’t have the vitriol and venom for Matt that others do because I seem to get his raison d’être I think. (Or maybe I don’t). Which is that game is a fairly low rung on the large ladder that defines Men. But… like any ladder, you just climb those lower rungs to get to the top.

        Slaying of poon is a very very nice part of life, but it isn’t life. And if it is, than you are either still a fairly young man, or you live a rather hollow existence.

        Just as game attempts to uplift those who aren’t naturals. Once you’ve started to get into a mastery form of it, now climb higher.

        I severely part ways with him on issues of religiosity but I can tell you that though I may not possess his concrete convictions I will -always-, always, tether my wagon to classic Christianity. It was the “tie that binds” across all of Europe and the early days of the States. We have lost much for it disappearing above and beyond church attendance.

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      • I have scarcely kept it all together since that ignominious day. I still suffer from Post Commentary Stress Disorder.

        I’d recommend you read that post and the two others before it, but that scaredy fraud erased all of my entries. (Including the one wherein I invented the term “Scalzied”! Has he no decency, sir?)

        Some teasing and taunting and rousing of the sci-fi spastics was taken so seriously, nothing more. The Purse-Mouthed Mister Voice of God is a little Stalin airbrushing out those of us who regard his humorless self-aggrandizement as risible, and laugh in his officious face about it.

        Now to get banned by CH would be the biggest feather in my cap. Unfortunately he is not so imperious and grim about online interaction.

        In any event, I had a blast. Thanks for the mammaries.

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      • I tried reading it, tried to figure out what you did that had him “rubbing your nose” in filth as he put it, but he edits and deletes like Goebbels would have had he made it to trial. I even went back two posts. I can’t personally make heads or tails of the his site. Woe unto whosoever strays from the echo chamber agenda from what I can tell.

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      • Jay,
        Very insightful post.
        I, like you, part ways with Matt on issues of religion, but it is no secret that classical Christianity bound Europeans together like no others.
        I personally think it’s lost its masculinity in western civilization, with female pastors preaching servitude and slavery and a soft God who loves everyone too much to burn down a city or two of sodomites.
        I often wonder if the locals who proclaim to believe in it literally believe, or merely view it as a symbolic telling of biological truths.
        Love Matt or hate him, he doesn’t cower down.
        Sometimes I’d like to punch him in the head and sometimes I’m quite sure he’s feeling the same way about me,
        At least he’s got the set required to speak his mind.
        I respect that.

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      • Jay,
        Well thought out, insightful post.
        I also think idisagree with Matt when it comes to religion because frankly, I have no idea if he literally believes in it or merely sees the Book as a story with deeper insights hidden within the text.
        Love him or hate him though,
        Matt has the set to stand on his principles, and even though I’m sure he would enjoy punching me in the head as I feel about him,
        I respect him.

        As far as I go, I’m just biding my time until it all collapses. I think we have a shot at rebuilding once the train comes off the tracks, but the horrifying wreck has to occur first. It’s playtime for me, gaming and spreading the word of game until then.

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      • “I, like you, part ways with Matt on issues of religion, but it is no secret that classical Christianity bound Europeans together like no others.
        I personally think it’s lost its masculinity in western civilization, with female pastors preaching servitude and slavery and a soft God who loves everyone too much to burn down a city or two of sodomites.”

        Christianity died somewhere around Dover Beach, and what happened afterwards is just messing with the corpse. What good has come from that?

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      • ^ Quality CH people ^
        Slight restoration of faith in humanity

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      • I do not fear game will ever become known enough.

        Don’t worry, my friend. As the retard in the last story clearly demonstrates, most men are hopeless even if they know Game. They don’t understand the core principles, they don’t understand women, and they lack the intelligence to turn the principles into effective action. Rough estimate, you need an IQ over 110 and above average social skills for knowledge of Game to lead to a significant improvement in your success with women. That eliminates about 90% of men (and only a fraction of those who could use Game effectively will ever study it).

        I’ve never used a canned routine, although I have stolen a couple of texts from Le Chateau. What can I say? Bitches cream their panties when I drop “bring da movies” on them.

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  5. stick to racism/science bro. you cannot socialize the aspies

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    • But enlightening the lefties is essentially the same project as socializing the aspies.

      They both require infinite patience, effort, and recapitulation of the basics in the face of a learning curve so shallow that it is nearly a straight line.

      You have to pray for a radicalizing event that will transform flatline into an exponential-growth, “hockey stick” progression. Until then, it’s rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat.

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      • eh, its a waste of CH HBDchick rehashing skills (hes good at removing the anime faces ^_____^;) to solve the problems of imbeciles. save that for the YaReallys of this venue

        you guys seriously need this nigga to tell you that if you aren’t getting it wet fast to move the fuck on? doesn’t this kind of navel gazing about “text game” defy the #1 tenant of alpha, don’t give a fuck?

        as for radicalizing event, praying to GB4M & yellenlozlozl for end of QE ==> stock market implosion, coming to an america near you

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      • not happening, they can’t afford it yet, wait till they can blame it on a republican pres, till then stock market floats up

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      • and my $$$$$$$ goes ^^^ FTW go inflation!!

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  6. ““Are you peacocking? And will you kino me? Maybe neg me, too. Because that’s what you usually do right?””

    “I will cock you all you want 🙂 Bring some wine.”

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  7. Her: “Are you peacocking? And will you kino me? Maybe neg me, too. Because that’s what you usually do right?”

    Guy: “Sounds like we are two adults who know how to have adult fun.

    Then you’ve just raised your status and her status for being with you. Let her hamster imagine what that fun could be, and then deliver.

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    • How bout:

      Her: “Are you peacocking? And will you kino me? Maybe neg me, too. Because that’s what you usually do right?”

      Guy: “U sound hurt..let me get this velvet cape and hat off, and put my arms around you…around your ‘voluptuous’ body”

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  8. Random note from watching some TV recently. The movie “My Best Friend’s Girl” starring Dane Cook, Jason Biggs, and Kate Hudson came on a few days ago. I was surprised to see how succinctly it summed up core CH game principles. I highly recommend it as one of the few Red pill, mainstream films out there.

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  9. I am the one who submitted the last section of this post but it legit was for a friend. Plenty of times I’ve submitted my shitty exchanges for the world to bear so no reason to hide behind “the friend” excuse.

    As a follow up, nothing materialized further and my buddy was confused as during the PU, the girl was the sweetest, nicest thing ever.

    Thanks Heartiste for the write up and analysis, all of it is spot on and none of us had anything close to those kind of responses you mentioned during our initial brainstorming. Us meaning me, my friend and some other buddies I consulted with regarding this situ.

    Agree and amplify was the best we came up with but even then, it did feel a bit off. Thanks for clarifying why. This helped me out a lot as well as I’m prone to overgame.

    If my friend somehow magically got this girl to come out and meet, I will keep the readership posted but odds are that the lead died a brutal death.

    Thanks again.

    -IG

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    • i should also point out that some of your friend’s agree & amplify replies would work better face-to-face rather than through the textual ether. facial expression and vocal tone go a long way to modulating intent.

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      • Ok makes sense and I will send him an email linking him to this post. Thanks Heartiste.

        In regards to the exchange, it gets hella frustrating when the interaction turns adversarial as it did above and also on my exchange that I posted in your “Comment of the Week: Getting to the Id of it” article.

        Seems like a common trap and curious as to how you would suggest leading an interaction so you and the girl are on the same team. I find that a lot of the “up the alpha” mentality leads one to the path where you and the girl are constantly fighting for who has the stronger frame.

        Is there a general rule of thumb on how to sidestep this or is it better to adhere to “he who has the strongest frame wins?” I’d like to move things away from the adversarial stance if it means getting the lay easier and getting the girl to comply more efficiently.

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      • I naturally go with a different strategy when some woman thinks I’m picking her up, which happens even though I don’t use lines. It’s turned around into an immediate inquisition something like:

        “Oh, guys often use lines on you? Where the hell do you hang out?”

        The look in my eyes indicates I’m sizing up whether she’s a skank or not. Works every time.She’s trying to qualify herself from then on, no pickup necessary.

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      • Is there a general rule of thumb on how to sidestep this or is it better to adhere to “he who has the strongest frame wins?”

        The strongest frame wins, but the strongest frame never wins by arguing. Whenever she resists, you need to plow without her knowing you’re plowing. Be like water. She shuts you down when you’re funny but you get on her good side by being a little vulnerable, and when she catches on to that, surprise surprise, who’s pre-selected, and so on and so on until her panties accidentally fell off.

        So if she tries to slow you up or pick you apart or be difficult — never fall into the frame of “you are equal to me and therefore I will engage you like I would engage an equal.” Nah, you aren’t going to argue with her. You’ll just talk about something different, because who gives a shit.

        And do it all with a smile. The sub-communication that turns chix on is ‘ya….I know how to handle you.’ I’d suggest just treating them like children that you absolutely adore.

        I mean, I have so many failed txt exchanges so similar to the one above lol. It was only when I started doing the stuff I’m telling you about that shit became way way easier.

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      • on December 9, 2013 at 3:16 pm immoralgables

        If you have an example of what you mentioned (plow without plowing) then please share. I get what you’re saying conceptually but could use an example to let it click.

        Thanks for your insight dudebro

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      • ya….after my mini heartbreak i went on a small tear, now I’m back to kind of chilling out because my feelings are all confused. but this exchange here was pretty decent —>

        Me: hey, it’s Scray I live inside ur phone now
        Her: Lol hi
        Me: so since i live here now wheres the bedroom
        Her: ummm it’s a phone wtf
        Me: so weird i kno why i talked to u now
        Her: lol ur weird, why?
        Me: u remind me of another girl i see
        Her: huh i bet she’s pretty 😉
        Me: no she looks like a butt
        Her: lmfao gee thanks
        Me: lucky for u im an assman.
        Her: nice try jerk
        Me: wat do u have against butts
        Her: nothing i just don’t look like one
        Me: i think talking like one would be worse than looking like one
        Her: lmao ur so stupid
        Me: let’s watch a movie at my place weds
        Her: are you serious?
        Me: wat
        Her: I’m not meeting you at your house weds
        Her: wtf do i seem that slutty
        Me: U seem like a butt. toot toot.
        Her: I hate u
        Me: k i will protect ur honor. lets hang at Bar X weds
        Her: okay if u stop calling me a butt
        Me: ….deal. 8:00.
        Her: I mean it!
        Me: Ya 8 sharp.
        Her: no the butt thing. stop it.
        Me: see u then.

        She’s lukewarm in the beginning. My initial roleplay bombs, she makes it out like I’m weird to start with. I change it up and go with pre-selection instead. I try to go for the hangout while it seems like she’s in a decent mood. I mean, nothing is perfect, but I hope this kind of shows the approach I’m talking about.

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      • Interesting, thanks Scray. I’m on the precipice of understanding what you’re saying. Like I can get it but I don’t GET IT. I’m trying to define it in one simple sentence that I can remind myself with.

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      • Yeah, and I’m probably doing a bad job at articulating it — because I’m only just now reverse engineering it. But when you grok it, you’re going to slay.

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      • on December 9, 2013 at 8:02 pm immoralgables

        That’s the beauty about game sometimes. For me, reading the 16 Commandments of Poon after being the beta on the receiving end of a break-up opened my eyes.

        But hey man, when you can synthesize what you said down to a potent mantra, please follow up and share. I’m still absorbing what you posted but it’s only at the level where I’m aware of the dynamic but cannot replicate it.

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      • scray, realize u were probably just having fun, but that text exchange wasnt that bad, just up the sexual energy a little bit. When she says i dont look like a but thats when you should of said do you have a birthday coming up? bait her in a little bit then see if she would like birthday spankings. heh.

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      • “The strongest frame wins, but the strongest frame never wins by arguing.”

        Well put.

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      • If you have to argue, you don’t have a strong frame.

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    • my buddy was confused as during the PU, the girl was the sweetest, nicest thing ever

      Your fault, rebbe.

      You have him trained to funnel awkward committee advice toward the mark rather than learning from improvising, crashing, and burning on his own. You amp up your little urchins with methodology rather than laying on the zen so that they get used to relaxing in the moment.

      More Yoda, less Rex Kwon Do.

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    • I’m glad you stated this because it did seem like a troll BS thing to me. I think any chick that knows that much about game and presents it in that manner is likely a “type2” as identified by CH more than a 1 or 3. She clearly has a MAJOR chip on her shoulder and you need to knock that fucker off with a -total- reframe. I’ll not restate more because some other posters had some good stuff above. But definitely stepping completely away from game and also getting back to a dominate frame in some combo.

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    • Agree & Amplify was the way to go. Or at least acknowledging she’s called you out accurately VS playing dumb. If she was nice during the initial sarge then probably she told a friend who’s been burned by a PUA about him or googled him or something and pieced together that he’s running game and views game in a negative light (possibly he used a routine that she then found online which destroyed the specialness of how she viewed the “chance” meeting, but even just knowing that he’s running game in general can cause that feeling of having been duped).

      At that point pretending not to know what she’s talking about is like pretending not to have eaten the cookies when the jar is empty beside you and you have cookie crumbs around your lips. It’s insulting to her that you would think she’s too dumb to have caught you, and makes you look ashamed and sneaky because you’re still trying to hide.

      So acknowledge she’s correct, but just make it fun and playful and treat it like it’s no big deal. Strongest frame wins and she might have too much of a hate-on for game for personal reasons to turn things around, but it’s the highest % play.

      Something like “lol no, negs are for super bitchy girls and you were all smiles when we met.” or “no fuzzy hats, don’t worry lol” or “I was going to go with getting drunk and barfing on your shoe, but what you suggested sounds way better.” etc

      The idea is that you’re acknowledging that yes, of course you’re running game, that’s why you had the balls to approach her in the first place, but that 1) you don’t take it or yourself seriously, and 2) it’s not a big deal like she probably thinks it is. Her txt sounds like she views it as manipulative and her finding out ruined her feeling of being “special” because clearly he just runs the same shit on every girl playing the numbers game and doesn’t really like her for HER.

      Something like “lol no fuzzy hats. But I will definitely push you to meet up for dinner, I don’t run into many girls who (something personal about her)”. Like, make her feel special again like oh ya I used game to say hi but then you turned out to be different from other girls.

      Your buddy’s calibration is shit and his txts sound like generic cut n pastes instead of like he’s building any kind of rapport/comfort with the chick, or qualifying her at all. It SOUNDS like he’s just playing a generic numbers game.

      Pickup instructors get called out all the time but girls will still fuck them, because they don’t get fazed and just play it off like it’s not a big deal and make the girl still feel like she’s different from those other girls etc. Hell if your game is right and your frame is solid and you handle the rest of the shit (making her feel special) proper, often she’ll find it hot.

      Tell your buddy to use this as a wake-up call to personalize his interactions more. Less generic numbers game routines and more “getting to know her” stuff…find out her hopes and dreams, let her know you want to meet up because she’s said or done something that you appreciate/like, instead of “wink at mehhhhhh” lol

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      • Oh, also, don’t try it with this girl. This one is toast lol he handled it too shitty and won’t be able to turn it around esp via txt except thru a fucking miracle. I just wrote the above for learning purposes for the future and for other guys who run into this.

        On that note, your game should evolve into something so natural looking and your routines based around your own personality etc that girls can’t tell you’re running game. They just think you’re a natural who’s good with women and that they lucked out meeting you.

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      • I’ll let my buddy know all of this, thanks man.

        When I brought this to the guys in our mini-Lair we were a bit dumbfounded as this is the first time it’s happened to any of us. Sure, a couple of us of had our daygame openers called out but it’s probability of occurring every 1 out of 1,000 approaches.

        Overall, my buddy is improving but yes, he tends to over-game and this has been a persistent issue of his since he really started going out 6 months ago; especially with the comfort/rapport part.

        Good learning experience for me as a bystander and I will make sure he reads and absorbs what has been said by you, Scray, Heartiste,etc.

        The constructive criticism is always appreciated.

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      • ‘ Like, make her feel special again like oh ya I used game to say hi but then you turned out to be different from other girls.

        Your buddy’s calibration is shit and his txts sound like generic cut n pastes instead of like he’s building any kind of rapport/comfort with the chick, or qualifying her at all. It SOUNDS like he’s just playing a generic numbers game.’

        Totally. I think this is what I’m trying to articulate — which is silly, because we’ve been over it. But I guess it’s only recently (around the time the success started) been internalized. That’s probably the function of switching it up, it sub-communicates the ‘i’m different/you’re different’ message.

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  10. Better response: “you?”

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  11. Ugh, John Smith. Drop her like a stone. Why would you still be involved in any way with her? You don’t owe her anything and if she were really a friend to you, she’d see how she’s been using you and she wouldn’t object to you moving on. Ignore her texts, phone calls etc. and if you see her out, acknowledge her presence in an amused way and then go talk to the hottest girls in the room.

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    • Reader #1 “John Smith”. First he made his intentions known instead of gaming her. Then he stayed on too long.

      I’ve done this before I knew and understood game.

      I pulled wayyyyyyyyyyyyy back after my flakey now ex gf suddenly cooled off to me. Within a week I had backed off, she noticed this. I confronted her, she over-reacted and broke up.

      Her break up was particularly cruel in that she ended things suddenly and 2 days before a big social event she had helped me plan.

      When she did that, I just said “ok”. This was followed by a week of various texts trying to insinuate herself back into the event which I also ignored. In the end she didn’t come. I was terribly hurt. I ignore her now apart from one phone call in the last 2 months where I did “state my intentions” about being open to getting together which was met with the same passive aggressive pfaffing.

      Bottom line, stop, drop, roll-away.

      If you “state your intentions” at some point and they’re rebuffed…just quietly disappear and never come back.

      I see my ex gf every week now and just blank her despite her attempts to get my attention by dressing up or eyeing me.

      There is a real sickness among guys who (like me) get hooked into someone who then uses, abuses, mistreats them or whatever.

      There are clinical terms for this type of behavior: BPD, NPD etc but they matter less than the pattern: idealize, clingy, distance, devalue, leave.

      If you find that you’re in this type of situation have the strength to leave.

      There is an idea that stating your intentions is “beta” and I don’t totally agree. There are times when a man has to have the confidence to know what he wants. If that is rejected just disappear.

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      • Wala, I read your posts about the ex-gf. She’s still into you so you’re doing something right (i.e. ignoring her)… but you’d have to wait until she’s totally crushed and given up all hope before you approach her again. Then it’s a whole new RL and you’re in the driver’s seat.

        That’s assuming you want her back, because you’re right on about the pattern. Borderlines are wicked to deal with. She won’t change. Once she knows you want her, she won’t want you anymore. It will happen over and over. You could treat her like dirt, which will keep her around. But then you get the cling and the crazy.

        It’s easy to get hooked on someone bad for us. You’re controlling it on the outside, that’s the main thing. The best thing you can do is get interested in others and you’ll see how insignificant and replaceable she really is.

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      • Thanks. I didn’t stick around long after it got weird.

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      • The longer shes in your life the longer it will take to get over her. If you want to do her “stumble” upon her at a bar and get her drunk. Find someone younger and better.

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  12. “Are you peacocking? And will you kino me? Maybe neg me, too. Because that’s what you usually do right?”

    Assuming for the sake of argument that’s a real text:
    The challenge here is to be creative AND to send her hamster spinning.
    A line that occurred to me:
    “Too much information”

    Strictly speaking, that’s true: she introduced too many concepts in a 2 line text: peacocking, kino, neg, and “that’s what you usually do”. If she figures out that’s what is meant, kudos to her.

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  13. Girls will often find a use for men they have no intention to bang, even beyond their need for validation. To get the man they want to commit they try to introduce an interloper to light a fire under his ass. Take heart if she picks you for that role that she considers you a credible shot across the bow. However take heed that were not credible enough to be her prey.

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    • on December 10, 2013 at 11:17 am the latent sadist

      this is an excellent comment. This is something to be very conscious of as you get better with girls. I’ve fallen for this shit more than once as i got older. Be very cautious if you;re being used as a pawn. Luckily karma will level these bitches down the line. All it takes is listening to your gut and determining whether there is another guy she’s pining for. Girls running this will be selectively affectionate. On the flip side, when you recognize that you’re the one shes trying to make jealous with another guy…its actually flattering, and you wont react with jealousy. Assuming she’s not like getting physical with another guy. Thats just a red flag, and shouldn’t be dealt with.

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  14. Friendzoning guys… I’m sure every woman’s done it. I’ve done it. From my experience, it boils down to one factor; can I, as the woman, extract what I want without giving the guy what he wants? IE, emotional support without sex offered in exchange. Or, in the abstract, who sets the rules of engagement for the relationship?

    In my case, I was clear with the guy that nothing was going to happen. He said he understood, that he was fine with it. I was fine with that. He let me set the terms, so I set them where I was comfortable; no sex. We went for years like that. When he finally pushed for it, I cut it off.

    Not because I wouldn’t have been perfectly willing to go out with him when we first met – I did like the guy – but after three years, it made me hideously uncomfortable. I told him how I felt about it, that I didn’t think we could continue to be friends after that, and he sent me back a long note insisting that he “wasn’t one of those guys.”

    It wasn’t malicious. I don’t think it is, for a lot of girls. For a girl, having a male friend who doesn’t try to fuck her is like crack. Once you put yourself in that position as a man, you are never getting out of it. It’s very uncomfortable; in that moment of trying to turn the friendship into a sexual relationship, what you’re telling the woman is that the only reason you talked to her was because you wanted to fuck her. That’s, well, probably about as demeaning to a girl as it is to a man hearing that she only liked him for the emotional support.

    On the flip side, I’ve been in a similar situation where I was working closely with a guy, we became friends, he was there if I needed to come by and talk. By the end of it, I was basically telling this guy I’d do anything for him. The difference there was that he never tried to hide his attraction for me, never behaved as if he was sexless eunuch in our interactions, escalated the flirting, etc, but held himself in check. He was still in charge; emotional support was given, not taken, if that makes any sense. So I think it’s possible to be in a situation like this, for a man, and not get friendzoned, even if you’re serving those same functions.

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    • Excellent summary.

      Now imagine a man who has to treat most women he meets this way. And then you will understand alpha.

      I was clear with the [girl] that [we would never be a couple]. [Sh]e said [s]he understood, that [s]he was fine with it. I was fine with that. [Sh]e let me set the terms, so I set them where I was comfortable; [just] sex. We went for years like that. When [s]he finally pushed for [more], I cut it off.

      Matt

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      • That’s a clever inversion, and really points out the problem with the friendzone. It allows the girl to be the alpha in the relationship, to the detriment of the guy.

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      • Brilliant summation cynthia.

        Can’t believe I’m even parenthetically casting any props in King A’s direction, but I can live with that.

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      • Try it more often. I am like cranberry juice for the urinary tract infection that scorches the Chateau’s plumbing.

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      • “It allows the girl to be the alpha in the relationship, to the detriment of the guy.”

        Good point. It’s why a lot of girls can’t/won’t do it. Not only do you feel guilty, but over time you’re going to resent the guy for being so supplicating.

        I’ll be friends with a guy who isn’t attracted to me, because that’s a mutual friendzone. Of course sometimes you don’t see the true situation until later in the friendship.

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      • sometimes you don’t see the true situation until later in the friendship.

        Those are the worst situations to be in. The absolute worst. No way everyone’s getting out of that intact.

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    • Interesting. I became “Friends” with a girl in another country—for 6 years. I would meet her on business trips. I could clearly sense she was giving me IOI’s but never escalated because…I didn’t understand game.

      She even joked once that her friend she introduced me to thought I might be gay because I didn’t escalate with the friend.

      One day she came to visit with another friend. This was AFTER I learned game.

      On that occasion I did game her and escalate and ended up fucking her.

      We now fuck on a regular basis.

      In that situation I never expected anything, she was already attracted to my aloofness and chill personality.

      She even asked after I fucked her: “Why did you wait so long?”.

      Another situation, around 10+ years now long before I knew game, I was married at the time.

      I met another younger cute girl through my work. I “made my intentions known” like “John Smith. She was engaged. She totally played me.

      I separated from my wife. She got married, the whole thing was a colossal fuck up with her always in control.

      In that case she was manipulative in the sense she knew I was vulnerable and AFC and played me as a beta orbiter for the reasons the poster above states.

      The point is if you are a guy and want to be “friends”—cool. NO harm.

      If you want to fuck the girl and she doesn’t reciprocate…LEAVE.

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    • Pre-selection is an aphordisiac for women. I’ve had a woman friend like Cynthia, seeing me as a nice asexual man. Any flirting scared her repulsed her. Honestly, what got me out of the friendzone with this friend was when I started outright flirting with women in front of them and they flirted back with me. I added some dominant kino and body language towards my friend. I let her make the ‘first move’ to make her feel like she had the power.

      Before you know it, my friend turned into Taylor Swift, talking behind my back how only she knew who I was, since we shared so much history. I couldn’t screw her because her father had one hell of a shot gun and I’d rather sleep with nonreligious.

      Even today, looking at my friends eyes makes her blush, and she’s married.

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    • Cynthia, I have some quick questions. Were these male friends obvious betas? Did they have their own girlfriends?

      I ask these questions because I’ve had friends like you who were unresponsive to my game until they saw other women flirt with me.

      My experience has shown me that game works best with pre-selected men or above average good looking men.

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      • Male friend who friendzoned himself – no girlfriend, plenty of female friends though, not an obvious beta.

        Male friend who escalated – married (I didn’t know that until three months in, though, and we never actually fucked), definitely not a beta.

        Both of them were average looks, but cool as shit. Or at least, appealing personalities as far as I was concerned.

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    • All men talk to girls solely because they want to fuck them, or they at least have a sublimated desire to fuck them.

      Ive never once in my entire life talked to a girl I’m not related to if I didn’t at some level want to fuck her.

      What Cynthia, you thought you’re interesting?

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      • So what you’re saying is … you want to fuck Cynthia “at some level.” (Or online doesn’t count?)

        Talk to all of them. You might be surprised at what a little costless generosity gets you in return from girls who struggled all their life for a drop of attention — and that struggle is often more psychological than physical. She might even flip her 6 upside down into a 9 for the promise of one drop more.

        Also: feelsgoodman.

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      • “So what you’re saying is … you want to fuck Cynthia “at some level.” (Or online doesn’t count?)”

        ah shit, is he treading on your territory? You have eDibs on the girls here, right? Don’t worry, they only have eyes for you. lol Is that why you hit on the girls here, you figure down the road when you psychologically wear them down, they’ll turn themselves into 9s for you when they finally view you as their replacement father and chase your validation? lol Has it worked yet? Got some nekkid pics of FeministX on your hard-drive? lol

        “Talk to all of them.”

        This part I agree with. You should be able to have as much fun with a 4 as you do with a 9. You don’t have to fuck her, but you shouldn’t view it as a waste of your time ’cause that starts getting into building bad value-taking/seeking mentalities:

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      • ah shit, is he treading on your territory? You have eDibs on the girls here, right? Don’t worry… lol Is that why you … lol … lol …

        Ease down, pisspants. It was a gentle joke. Torturing us with a gratuitous RSD video was uncalled for.

        This part I agree with. …

        There is a love-hate fan club forming, I hear. You have the leadership skills to be its president.

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      • If I looked to the Internet as a source of personal validation, I’d have slit my wrists a long time ago.

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      • Cynthia, did you read my question. You talked about rejecting platonic friends. Were they all single? I ask because you seem honest.

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      • Huh, it appears wordpress ate my response. The first guy (Liberal Beta) was single. The second guy (Escalation) was married, but I didn’t know that until about three months into it, and we made the decision together than an affair was a bad idea. Both guys were slightly above average looks, in good shape, and had nice personalities.

        And no, I’m not trying to be “interesting.” I don’t think my story here is unique. That’s why I posted it. Women aren’t always out to fuck the man over in these situations; more often, it’s a misunderstanding.

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  15. now, i’m a little different and can over game without even talking to a girl (good DNA), but i would say that if the guy was solid in the last example above, then a ton of vulnerability said in a genuine way would have worked.

    “ya know, girls sometimes have a perception of me that really turns me off and you just hit them. being objectified sucks. a guy shows a little personality and i’m a player…..whatever”

    try it…

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    • That’s an excellent bit. It’s great at putting her on the defensive and should be a default response when called out. I suspect the chick had someone in her ear dropping a dime on his plays, tho. That would explain her about-face. Your suggested text would be killer if she were by herself but I’ll bet she’d come back with the “you only text in scripts” if her friends read it. Fatties can cockblock texts, too.

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      • if she says that after you being genuine, then who the fuck wants her except some drooling white knight?

        the last answer to that bullshit is this and a hard next unless begging ensues:

        “sorry honey, but our culture fucked you and your understanding of what you deserve over. you might be able to live without me but who the hell would want to? you have a ton of great qualities but i’m looking for a girl who can put it all together and be something i can sink my teeth into. a high end girl”

        deconstruct what i said above:

        pissed off and aloof (tingle)
        not her fault (deniability)
        maintain my frame and my value (tingle)
        compliment her real qualities (sweet and caring, chink in the armor)
        request more effort
        end in mind (the high end girl bit)

        like in nlp, you have to show someone a path to your desired outcome, a plan or actions that can be taken, and a defined outcome that fits her agenda. the high end girl thing works for both the attention whores, the good girls to affirm their value, and the bad girls to increase their value.

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      • Select all. Copy. Paste into file.

        Excellent work, bro.

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  16. “Yeah cool bring your peacock”

    “Peacockin all over that shit”

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  17. Friendzoning guys… I’m sure every woman’s done it. I’ve done it. From my experience, it boils down to one factor; can I, as the woman, extract what I want without giving the guy what he wants? IE, emotional support without sex offered in exchange. Or, in the abstract, who sets the rules of engagement for the relationship?

    the pathetic life of women: friendzoning betas and getting dumped by alphas, only to turn “old” and go back to a beta they resent.

    what a charming existence.

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    • In my case, the biggest reason I cut that guy out was that he’s that species of atheist that can’t shut up about how stupid religious people are. I’m Catholic. No chance could I put up with that in a boyfriend/husband. And he used to say shit to me like how he wanted to try pegging.

      He was beta, and worse, he was a liberal beta.

      Women are no more obligated to give betas sex than you men are obligated to give fat girls engagement rings. And there has to be compatibility (and respect) there, or an LTR just isn’t going to work.

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      • Women are no more obligated to give betas sex than you men are obligated to give fat girls engagement rings.

        Except that men don’t string along fat girls and take advantage of their time and money the way women do to beta males.

        Women are sociopaths, whose mission in life is to get pounded by scumbags while taking advantage of betas.

        The sleaziest car salesmans in the world combined don’t measure up to the sleaze of women.

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      • Some women – not all, but a sizable number – don’t view friendzoning a guy as stringing him along. If the guy lets the relationship begin on platonic terms, she’s going to assume it’s going to stay platonic. That’s what I’m talking about. Women are no more sociopaths than men are rapists.

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      • If the guy lets the relationship begin on platonic terms, she’s going to assume it’s going to stay platonic.

        “From my experience, it boils down to one factor; can I, as the woman, extract what I want without giving the guy what he wants.”

        “From my experience, it boils down to one factor; can I, as the woman, extract what I want without giving the guy what he wants.”

        “FROM MY EXPERIENCE, IT BOILS DOWN TO ONE FACTOR; CAN I, AS THE WOMAN, EXTRACT WHAT I WANT WITHOUT GIVING THE GUY WHAT HE WANTS.”

        ^the irony of this bitch

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      • nailed the hypocrisy +1

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      • Dude, it’s the difference between omniscient and personal POV. Notice that you pulled that from two different comments that are not meant to be read as paragraph one and paragraph two.

        If I’m the woman involved in the situation, I don’t know what the guy wants; if he tells me it’s platonic, I’m going to assume it’s platonic and act accordingly. As somebody looking at the situation from the outside, who is analyzing it based on what men are saying, I can make an assumption about what the man wants and how he’s not going to get it.

        Is it a relief for a woman when a man doesn’t seem to want sex from her? Yes. Is she going to look at it more closely, if she doesn’t want that to change? No. Guys do the same thing with a girl they want to fuck with no strings attached. It’s a weird little tic in human nature.

        Me, personally, I tend to assume that if a guy’s showing that kind of interest in me, he wants to fuck me. In the situation I described up there, he assured me multiple times (and again, after *asking* me for sex, which was news to me) that he didn’t want to have sex with me. I’m sure there are girls who are very cold about this, but mostly, it’s willful blindness.

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    • only time in history it’s been allowed, too. that always fascinates me.

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    • +1… I found this statement of hers especially telling.

      It’s very uncomfortable; in that moment of trying to turn the friendship into a sexual relationship, what you’re telling the woman is that the only reason you talked to her was because you wanted to fuck her. That’s, well, probably about as demeaning to a girl as it is to a man hearing that she only liked him for the emotional support.

      Actually, no, that’s NOT the only reason, in most cases… and that’s NOT what the man is saying.

      That’s what the hamster is hearing…

      Oh, my… taking offense at “wanting to be fucked”? Sure, honey… only it depends upon the guy, don’t it. :rolleyes

      And then the unguarded hamster admits “only liking him for emotional support” is demeaning… yet no hesitating in jumping into that pool headforemost when opportunity arises, do the ladies… eh?

      And then they wonder why there are “no good men left”. llozozozlzlzozozlzlzozlzlzl

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      • “And then the unguarded hamster admits “only liking him for emotional support” is demeaning… yet no hesitating in jumping into that pool headforemost when opportunity arises, do the ladies… eh?”

        Greg, there are women who won’t do it if they know the guy really wants more. Just like there are guys who won’t keep a FB/FWB that they know wants more. It’s a conscience thing.

        [CH: and there are men who fuck goats. your point?]

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      • I have no point. Just trying to rage against the dying of the light.

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      • Amy shitposting again?! What a surprise!

        Why isn’t this post-carousel old-hag of a solipsistic mudshark whore not banned yet? Is stupidity not grounds for expulsion?

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      • “Is stupidity not grounds for expulsion?”

        You wouldn’t want that.

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      • The “Seven Headed Beast” sock puppet revealed…. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_beast_%28Revelation%29

        Is POSTING ON EVERY FUCKING THREAD AS SOMEONE ELSE, not grounds for expulsion you little cunt? If I was CH I’d have banned your domain a week ago.

        It was funny for a while, but like any aspergy little shit, you didn’t know when to quit? If you are not the originating IP– consider this a dire warning. Faggotry of any sort should not be tolerated in the last few bastions, and places, where men with intact testicles are allowed to gather still.

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      • Reverting to a NAWALT reply feeds the dying of the light, dearie.

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      • Greg, I’m not saying that’s how the *guy* feels about it, or is even trying to do. I’m saying that’s how the girl (or at least, how I) *takes* it. It isn’t necessarily objectively a betrayal, but it certainly can come across as one. Communication is a two-way street; intentions mean nothing, the other party isn’t always going to get the message that was seemingly transmitted. And in a situation like this, feelings are all you have to go on.

        Misunderstandings are not a product of the hamster. Hamstering here would be not to acknowledge the guy’s side at all, and just call him a selfish asshole.

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      • Greg, I’m not saying that’s how the *guy* feels about it, or is even trying to do. I’m saying that’s how the girl (or at least, how I) *takes* it.

        I fully realize that… and my point is that a woman’s miscontrued way of interpreting things… so that the only reality is how SHE takes it… is the problem.

        Further elaborations/rationalizations on already-known/covered flies in the pie serve little purpose… and provide amusement not at all.

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      • Explaining something is not rationalizing it. I’m offering a different perspective, nothing more.

        How is a woman deciding to be blind to the true nature of the situation with her male friend any worse than a man who is aware (as your comment would imply) of it and yet continues to exploit his female fuckbuddy? One is a failure to recognize the truth. The other is a failure to speak it. Which is worse? Are either acceptable?

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      • cynthia, don’t quite while you’re ahead, but at least quite before you are 100% behind… in more ways than 1, capisce?

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      • quit, quite, whatever

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      • From her comments, i can tell Cynthia is a pretty and cute woman, i don’t see something wrong with her.

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      • Of course you think she’s the cat’s pajamas… you yourself have tits.

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      • You are sort of onto something, greg. sexy guy she knows little about talking about romping = tingles… its called the friendzone but its not really a friendzone. If I wanted to be exceedingly cruel to a fat chick, for example, I would invite her to hang out while im nude sunbathing but not let her touch me and when she talks about me I tell her shes being creepy. That would probably be pretty close to the male equivalent of the friendzone. My point is, not only is their a switch flipped, there is a visceral reaction. I keep remembering a quote when a slut was told to find a nice guy, she exclaimed, “but nice guys dont know how to fuck!!!”

        Number 1’s problems, in order of magnitude. 1) he took the thrill of the chase out of the matter by stating his intentions up front 2) instead of betacizing the fiance he betacized himself by being her friend. The other thing in situations like that is to let her seduce her, get into situations where she can take advantage of you or the situation and and have an out. Or maybe she lets herself be seduced. There has to be some type of game involved, even if its just her helping you scout out chicks.

        As for the chick calling a guy out on pua routine… two things either happened, the chick is a nuclear cunt, and just does that sort of thing to ball bust, and has nothing better to do then read pua material. or he said something during the initial pickup that she found particular and she googled it. If you are using canned lines from Tyler or Mystery or something you saw in a forum or chateau comment then its gonna show up when its googled. In both cases its a shit test and her buying temperature is a little bit unlocked. Just call her out on it, “i think you’ve been spending too much time on the internet” put her on the defense.

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  18. OT: “What are you gonna do- hit a girl?”
    Thug life white girl signs a check she can’t cash and is surprised when ambiguously brown guy calls her bluff.

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    • LOL. That video still looks like the infamous image of Lindsay Lohan passed out drunk and high in the vehicle.

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    • zlzozlzolzlozoz– Normally I’d be completey abhorred by some mulatto dude cold cockin’ a white girl, but this is the exception. White women- You want to act like a ghetto she-boon and emulate gutter culture? Expect gutter response. The End.

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    • A wise man once said: white girl should be able to beat blacks at their own game, or avoid them entirely.

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    • Marvelous video in many facets, perhaps the most ignored being that the dude caught her with a bush league, LeGarrette Blount, styled cheap shot as she was walking off.

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      • It’s underclass on underclass. The only difference is we give the darker ones a pass for savagery because “it’s their culture.”

        Would she enter a free-range kennel, punch a dog, and then lecture it about chivalry?

        Although you are right. At least the white participant delivered a straight-up blow instead of waiting for the guy’s back to be turned.

        It’s like treating sandnigger pagans of the crescent moon by the “enemy combatant” laws of war. Jus in bello was never meant to apply to animals who would wrap their children and women in semtex and then hide in civvies to avoid comeuppance. Human shields only work on decadent liberals. The culpability for the destruction of innocent life begins and ends with the one who would attempt to use the innocent to avoid justice.

        The first step out of the confusion is calling this situation what it is and the participants what they are. It’s precious that animals, ghetto whites, and feminists think they can find recourse in civilized standards when they exemplify the very disease of barbarism such standards were meant to inoculate against.

        Matt

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      • It’s like treating sandnigger pagans of the crescent moon by the “enemy combatant” laws of war. Jus in bello was never meant to apply to animals who would wrap their children and women in semtex and then hide in civvies to avoid comeuppance. Human shields only work on decadent liberals. The culpability for the destruction of innocent life begins and ends with the one who would attempt to use the innocent to avoid justice.

        I have a -VERY-, dude I mean like brother, close friend who spent the last 10 years doing what? Training counter-insurgents in Afghanistan. He is a pacifist because why? He has seen more violence in a year than most of us will see ever in our lives until perhaps the West does finally collapse.

        I don’t think the average low IQ Ameritard has -any- idea how much human capital (read: US white boy) blood was burned in AFGH, for what? A kinder, gentler war. The Rules of Engagement were changed so much that, and this is not an exaggeration- even if you were being FIRED UPON, you still had to radio command to get “permission to engage”. Rear Echelon Motherfucking Brass (REMF, Offices) and LAWYERS were telling soldiers if they could live or die.

        Only us, in the history of warfare have gone down this road. Much like how we are blazing new ground in female ruled societies, and self-genocidal cowing to victim classes.

        Afghanistan, historically, has been VERY hard to conquer even when applying the full force of arms. Darius of Persia had a hell of a time more than 400 years before Baby Jesus was born. Alexander of Macedon (The Great) 300 years before BJ, and all the way down the line.

        The difference is, Darius and Alexander applied their full force of arms for their century to the problem. If we did the same, Afghanistan would look like fucking Mordor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordor) a land of fire and choking ash.

        This is where I weep for the Former USA (FUSA), we could once again bestride the world as Europeans did all through the 18th-20th century. If the full might of the US Armed Forces was applied, w/o filter, to that historically unconquerable land you’d have, today 10 years later, nothing less than— “Disney World- Kabul”. But we are soft pussies, who get what we deserve…

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      • Errrrh, what was it that Russians were doing?
        Ah yes, burning it to the ground… It kinda didn’t worked for them.

        And they could have done it from the technological point of view, seems something else was stopping them from really turning it into the hades itself. Though they came pretty close to it.

        Forget that, it can’t happen, times of Gengis khan are behind us… The Iraq mess, resolved pretty well, for how it might have, so that’s the way to go out of AFGH – if applicable.

        Cheers

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  19. “Female hatred is as often repressed sexual desire as it is authentic malevolence.”

    Hatred is a very exciting emotion. Haven’t you noticed?

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  20. First situation = Never give any logical weight to what a girl says until after you have fucked her. If she says you’re a ‘great guy but..’ .interpret it as ‘I am not attracted to you enough yet to fuck you.’ Goes for flakes and anything else. Also, a chick who tells you she’s with a dude (assuming the dude exists) probably loves the dude. When they cut you off fast — i.e. nothing’s going to happen while I’m engaged’ in response to your advances, they love the guy. When they casually mention it but continue to entertain you, you’re money.

    Once you’re banging them, you can assume that they will consider your feelings and are telling the truth tho (mostly).

    Her: “Are you peacocking? And will you kino me? Maybe neg me, too. Because that’s what you usually do right?”

    What a great fucking opportunity. While it’s tempting to make fun of the game, that’s a red herring IMO. To me this shit test is the same as the ‘you’re a player’ shit test.

    ‘umm….nah was just gonna try to get to kno u better and spend some time.’
    I’d probably go with getting real in this situ (ya waaaaaat). She’s already getting a player-y vibe from the guy. So just drop it, pre-selection — Demonstrated. Reframe it as her being weird.

    ‘Her: “You can’t communicate with girls without memorizing scripts can you”’

    Ya, gave her more of the same. Starting to demonstrate a lack of calibration here. See, an actual cool pre-selected guy would know to roll off and know he’s the shit and can just talk to the girl now. A spazz who doesn’t get laid will keep trying to make jokey-jokes. If one type of DHV is failing, you switch to a different trait. Here, I’d just try for some sort of connection —>

    ‘….o uve seen my kind before, huh?’

    ‘Option A) ”Oh I was actually doing this thing called ‘asking a cute girl out ona date’but if u want I’ll bring my top hat too”

    ~~~

    Option B) ”Damn, you caught me> I’ve been typing in the Don Corleone lines from the Godfather. Maybe I should have picked a different movie.”’

    Fucking Dork Super Lame. It’s like sending her an icon of someone tap-dancing for her amusement lol. And now the soft DLV underbelly of the ‘playa’ is exposed.

    This girl was definitely interested or at least -something- at one point. WHENEVER girl reacts to something you have specifically done or said, there is interest. I don’t give a shit what anyone says. If a girl notices something that only someone who was listening to you fairly closely (or paying fairly close attention) would notice….assume IOI. So that whole ‘are you going to neg me…’ speech was her really studying and paying attention. When she’s not into you at all, her reactions will be just general filler.

    ‘Please address what a man should do if he’s not well-travelled.

    Girls usually react negatively when they find out I’ve not travelled extrensively. Should I have a few go-to lies about travel experiences?’

    CH dead-on — lie, lol. Or, do the better thing and embrace your lack of culture. Women don’t give a shit about you, they give a shit about how you feel about you and how you make them feel.

    Whenever they give you any guff about something they have done but you haven’t, just wiggle your eyebrows and say ‘wooow….’ Maximum effect if you’re chewing gum and grinning.

    ‘Walking down street with a fling, we pass a guy and his girl, he says hi, my fling says hi. A few seconds later, rolling her eyes and smiling a bit, “I haatte that guy. I work with him, he’s such a twit”.

    When I chick signals her dislike for a guy, it’s usually an indicator of inchoate tingles right?’

    Depends. Girls do hate a lot of guys. If they say it dispassionately, with a laugh at the specimen’s lower value, then ya nothing to worry about. But if any girl lingers on a guy, or says she hates him with passion in her voice….then ya something to worry about.

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    • “This girl was definitely interested or at least -something- at one point. WHENEVER girl reacts to something you have specifically done or said, there is interest. I don’t give a shit what anyone says. If a girl notices something that only someone who was listening to you fairly closely (or paying fairly close attention) would notice….assume IOI.”

      This.^^^^

      Was just at the post office to drop some mail. busy Christmas rush, about 20 people…I look over the crowd…mostly older, some 40’s women/men and 60+ grandmas/grandpas…but one HB8 – blonde, 19 (NO wrinkles at ALL around her eyes. The contrast with the other women was stark!), etc.

      I wondered how long it would take to get some kind of reaction, so I went into a contrapposto stance (as per CH), and relaxed with a bored expression. She glanced around, and immediately started the grooming behavior (hair gathering/rearranging, checking her clothing, etc., which hadn’t started when I was just standing there like the other betas) she also kept glancing at me to see if I noticed her (like straight out of a primate documentary)… I was checking her behavior with peripheral vision. During the 10 minutes we were in line, she became more “bold” in her looking at me (trying to figure out why I hadn’t noticed her, yet). Then, when she went to leave, she stopped right in front of me at the counter and “prepared” to leave, getting her purse just right, etc. (It took her about 2 minutes.) When she couldn’t delay any more, she sort of “huffed” out… It was quite interesting!

      Note – none of the other men were even close to standing like that, and none of the other women picked up on it and started the grooming behavior. She reacted to something I put out there = IOI. She also provided me with a generous opportunity to open her. (I didn’t bcz, well… married/kids/aspergery…you know…beta!)

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    • Scray, you’ve been called out these last few days for posting excessively and trolling all those who don’t like it. You are a self-admitted crybaby beta that is too short to get women. Please quit spamming, and put the Adderall down with these long posts of yours. You have embarrassed yourself enough for one website.

      We all await for you to get defensive, ignore people’s annoyance at your insecure behavior, and say something incoherent like calling me your loyal fan.

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      • Thank you for your thoughts, loyal fan. will leave u a camo hat and binoculars to make ur stalking easier.

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      • Cage = GBFM = troll puppet

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      • I hope this is wrong, truly I do. Because I like GBFM, and if his non-ADHD persona is Cage and these faggot ass sock puppets from the last few weeks then I’d be sad to see him go, but would wish him well. I cannot as a testicular positive male entertain such bullshit as 2 months of sock puppetry. It looks bad for our host, it looks bad for the readership, it looks bad overall.

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  21. on December 9, 2013 at 1:32 pm The Feminist Whisperer

    WRT to last – I’m good at word play – so I’d have responded “Positively fowl – that’ll cost you 5 noogies” and she if she picked up on any of the 3 puns

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  22. Does CH do personal coaching/consultancy work?

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  23. “Are you peacocking? And will you kino me? Maybe neg me, too. Because that’s what you usually do right?”
    My reply would be: Explain (With a confused emoticon)
    Then she explains all this to you you can deny it and say you’re just trying to date her because she seemed cool but all this hostility is a major turn off. Hopefully that will get her qualifying to you.

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  24. “I met this girl 18 months ago” sweet lord. i’ve been there, but sweet lord. 18 months of your life.

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    • B4 self-improvement i been down the 18 month road, but never once did i delude myself into thinking it would go anywhere, i just studied and studied, even if it was painful. Fast forward a few years, and I learned how to get into a few of these old friends’ heads so well, they’re begging for it now. And they aint getting it, cuz I won’t fuck my teachers, I respect them for unwittingly allowing me to learn everything about male/female interaction… They thought they were using me for car rides and what-not (no at least I never bought them shit), but I got what I needed. Mutually beneficial because I humbled myself to learn…

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  25. on December 9, 2013 at 1:49 pm SredniVashtar

    1. Friendzone Kill Screen for John Smith: Still it’s important that he retains that high level of self-belief: it will make his recovery easier. And there’s always another woman.

    2. I can’t think of any circumstance where committees for answering girls’ texts are a good idea. It seems the opposite of amused mastery. Even “Djoo gotta man?” game is better than that.

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  26. “Are you peacocking? And will you kino me? Maybe neg me, too. Because that’s what you usually do right?”

    * well duh

    * if you insist

    * no to the kino don’t want cooties

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  27. Glass Ceiling -EXPLAINED! -Daddy’s little solipsist Marissa Mayer AFOGing near entire executive-ranks of Google & now Yahoo with 3 hour meeting waits so she can interview a fat chef.

    http://www.vanityfair.com/business/2014/01/marissa-mayer-yahoo-google

    -This is what happens when you let a woman run a company. A bratty little tea party. llzzzoolllooolllzzzolzllzl

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    • “Last summer, on the same day that Yahoo announced that Mayer would be its new C.E.O.—becoming the youngest woman, at 37, to lead a Fortune 500 company—Mayer announced she was pregnant, thereby completing her journey from nerdy small-town Wisconsin girl to Stanford-educated engineer to business superstar to cultural idol.”

      The male equivalent of this fable would be Mark Zuckerberg also becoming MVP of the Super Bowl.

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    • Also, aside from the useless and petty 3-hour AFOGing, my favorite part of the article was this:

      “She thinks like a debater, not like an analyst,” says this person. “She forms snap judgments and argues for her position, and if there’s contradictory evidence, she argues it away.”

      .
      Female solipsist’s mindset personified. -Even as a career ‘Engineer’ she still cannot escape that brain-wiring from the post a few days ago.

      Emotion over Reason.

      Now all she needs is a clutch of 10 other hens to cluck in unison when she forms an Emotional consensus.

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  28. Dentata here, I wasn’t trolling I just phrased the question pretty stupidly, guessing it wouldn’t make the list. The elaboration on the hatred/sexual desire point was what I was looking for; it’s something I’ve noticed very often among women and certain attractive alphas–the girls “hate” him, or say he’s an asshole (and not in a cutsey way), but bored indifference is the real mark of zero attraction. A girl liking or disliking a guy seems to have little impact on whether he causes tingles or not.

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  29. CH doesn’t have to put the energy into creating beta-of-the-months posts anymore : http://betapedia.com/

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  30. “Are you peacocking? And will you kino me? Maybe neg me, too.”

    Sounds contrived or a major bitch-fit

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  31. I don’t see what is wrong with the concluding paragraphs of Ann Coulter’s column.

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    • on December 9, 2013 at 2:44 pm RappaccinisDaughter

      I don’t see what’s wrong with pretty much anything she’s ever written, ever.

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    • It’s the bit about “genetic determinism,” which she seems to scoff at, in favor of blaming all black violence on single motherhood. Rather than going in for the kill now that they’re cornered, she leaves lefties a weaselly PC escape route.

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      • Couldn’t have said it better.

        Lara, you are obtuse. Tend to your kitchen, woman.

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      • in favor of blaming all black violence on single motherhood.
        ———————————————————————————–

        is “genetic determinism,” the source of white violence?

        is “genetic determinism,” the source of German Shepard violence?

        If you survey the inmates of any prison, the dynamic that links them all together is NOT color, income, class, height, weight…

        Its no father.

        I suspect this is why black males often become better in the military.

        For the first time in their lives they have a adult male teach them the correct CODIFIED way to think, speak and act.

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      • thwack +1, you rank with Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas…

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      • Nature and nurture. I don’t completely disagree with you.

        But we have tilted too far in the direction of nurture in our thinking while rendering all thoughts about nature illegal. So, you have an academic point of little use to the practical evaluation on the ground.

        Further, if we are at all interested in the Troof, we have to speak plainly (“real talk”) about the limits of nurture in a way we are not even intellectually prepared to. Without approaching this rationally and incrementally and disinterestedly, the pressure will explode all at once at the crudest level on the streets. That is the last thing any black man should want. The conflict will be quick and it won’t be close.

        Matt

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      • “Without approaching this rationally and incrementally and disinterestedly, the pressure will explode all at once at the crudest level on the streets. That is the last thing any black man should want. The conflict will be quick and it won’t be close.”

        Indeed.

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      • The conflict will be quick and it won’t be close.

        Matt
        ————————————————————————

        Looknigga, we been in conflict and we still in conflict RIGHT NOW. What are you going to do this time thats worse than you done in the past?

        You cut ni66as arms off and then threaten them with handcuffs?

        Really?

        Your selective pressures are making for some interesting mutations; I know cause Im one of em.

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      • “I know cause Im one of em.”

        We know you’re a mulatta, I called you out months ago.

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      • stay out of this smegma. Matt can carry his own water.

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      • If you survey the inmates of any prison, the dynamic that links them all together is NOT color, income, class, height, weight…

        Its no father.

        Even Matt King won’t disagree with this. As an entity that spent far too long in an ‘educational’ role in prison systems, this indeed was the deal.

        But thwack, don’t lose your “keepin’ it real” badge. Ni66ers by a VERY large margin hold the crown for no father figure.

        Our whole society in 2013 has basically ceded to ghetto culture as you damn well know. Single mothers are not a made up stat TWO THIRDS of the motherfucking population. Said a different way, mad niggerish values are now mainstream and accepted.

        White People, the “right kind” have no experience with decades long absentee fatherism. They think that a “single parent household” is as good as the nuclear family. When the shit melts down, which will likely be in our lifetimes, they will realize how wrong they were.

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      • Thwack wrote:

        Looknigga, we been in conflict and we still in conflict RIGHT NOW. What are you going to do this time thats worse than you done in the past?

        Look, nigger, it’s not “the past” you should be worried about. It’s the future. I didn’t think you were the typical house slave who believed everything the SWPL/Jews told you. I thought you waz 1 nigga keepin it real.

        Surely you know there are worse potential realities than one in which being called “haughty” is considered hatethink. Surely you have a better imagination than that.

        The leftist elite — and no small number of conservatives with good will — gave you the keys to our sturdy luxury car, and you drove it off the cliff along with all of us in it. You turned the greatest country in the history of man into a Detroit ghetto of nigger-rich pimps and twerking white trash. What makes you think the good ol’ boys will take your squandering of their birthright lightly? Why in the world would you imagine we will be satisfied by merely tsk-tsking your contagious catastrophic dysfunction in gentle NPR tones?

        Did I or my ancestors create your 70% bastardy rate? Did we teach you to actively despise/ridicule education? Did we force half of your male population into a life of crime? Are we doing the same to chinamen?

        Did we steal away your daddies? You know, one benefit about having a father is learning to take responsibility for your own fuck-ups. You fatherless animals can’t even take responsibility for your own fatherlessness. If you want to demonstrate the truth of your genetic blank slate, you can start by blaming yourselves for some things rather than whitey for “cutting [your] … arms off.”

        No, our crime was putting you in charge in compensation for such wholly imagined sins. Not only did we liberate you, we mixed with you and we delivered you the best place on the planet to live at any time in the history of mankind. And you took a big shit on the carpet, “tagged” the walls, and set fire to the whole structure — out of the same contrived, petty, preposterous resentment you are trying to pull on us right now. And you dare to imagine yourself oppressed?

        Liberty itself appears to oppress you.

        Allahmsayun is time is running out on your fantasy. It’s not even a threat. It’s an exhortation for you to get real in time to do something about your brutish fate. Not the black man’s strong point.

        Matt

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      • Matthew King

        Look, nigger, it’s not “the past” you should be worried about. It’s the future.
        ————————————————————————————————–

        Niggers don’t have futures; thats why no one wants to be one.

        What country you from?

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  32. Are you peacocking? And will you kino me? Maybe neg me, too. Because that’s what you usually do right?

    Nah, that shit’s for the really hot girls

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  33. That guy’s best chance at banging her was right off the bat, fiance or no fiance. The more you invest in any one girl, pre-bang, the less chance you have of ever seeing a return on it. The problem is that popular media raises us on a myth that the good guy only gets to bang the girl after overcoming all kinds of obstacles, and that this delay constitutes escalating dramatic/sexual tension. This myth responsible for many, many ruined beta male lives.

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  34. “Are you peacocking? And will you kino me? Maybe neg me, too. Because that’s what you usually do right?”

    How about this reply?

    “Sounds like too much wurk.”

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  35. on December 9, 2013 at 4:08 pm Reservoir Tip

    So say you’re on college campus…

    And the college International Socialist club and other leftist groups have you circled, with the girls calling you a fucker and flipping you the bird, all while you maintain solid alpha frame…

    Even in this situation, with you public enemy #1 on campus, you have more potential to generate tingles than any beta in the university.

    Been there done that.

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    • This may depend on the specific environment.
      In the 80’s, if the girl had even the slightest suspicion you might be conservative/pro-Reagan, that was a one-way ticket to no-sex-land.

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      • on December 9, 2013 at 8:31 pm Reservoir Tip

        Think it may also depend on the type of “right” you lean towards. Being a straight up Republican makes it easy to be hated, as you’re fitting stereotypes. The image of the weak, no-gonads Republicans up on the Hill travels travels far and wide.

        Now when you’re not afraid to be abrasive and unabashedly hard right-wing… That gives a lady some tingles.

        Plus, think of this…

        You want people to be surprised when they meet you; you want to destroy their expectations. I’m rumored to be all sorts of evil things on my campus, and then people (women) meet me, and me being a pleasant guy to be around totally catches them off guard. To add to that, I’d say having a reputation on campus is a good thing, so long as it not some rapist reputation or something like that xD

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      • Bullshit… on the rare occasions where I discussed politics, I used to tell the ladies that I was “a little to the right of Darth Vader”… never missed a beat, shag-wise.

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      • If and when you guys come to power and form a government, can I run the ministry of capital punishment?

        I swear you guys will not be disapointed in the methods and techniques I come up with to execute criminals.

        Im almost embarressed by the ill thoughts and sick thinking I come up with regarding the treatment of condemed criminals.

        If I told you my ideas they would make you wanna take a shower.

        I be thinkin of some ill shit; might as well collect a check for it.

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      • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele

        He smiles upon you from somewhere in the great void.

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      • Thwack, one thing you’re going to have to accept about God’s Plan…

        It was the devil who made people think that “eternal torment” meant torturing people forever, rather than the oblivion it truly connotes.

        God’s Plan for the wicked is mere eradication… think of a piece of paper tossed into a lake of fire… poof, gone forever.

        Neither He… nor I… take pleasure in prolonging suffering… even that of those who may deserve “living out the rest of their lives in a pain amplifier.”

        So, there will be no use for a Master Inquisitioner in His new world… nor any in whatever my ilk may come up with in the interim.

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  36. OT, but I just saw this:
    http://live.washingtonpost.com/dear-prudence-131209.html?hpid=z4

    …and was wondering if this would make a good candidate for Beta of the Month. (Provided it’s real and not a propaganda piece to toe the “See? A good man worth keeping WON’T pressure you for sex” Party Line…

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  37. (It was the first letter on the Dear Prudence page I was referring to, btw…)

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  38. Just an aside, does anyone know that a peacock makes the eerie sound of a damsel in distress yelling “help?” This sound is made even more spooky on foggy days in forested areas. I learned this, growing up near a peacock, farm the hard way one day when I called the local police, mistaking the calls for people.

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  39. OT

    I’m questioning this medievalists.net article just 4-5 sentences in:

    “Taking their cue from the Old Testament commandment to “Be fruitful, and multiply,” medieval Christianity saw the sole purpose of sex as a means to conceive children.”

    Sole purpose? So the Vatican just made up that ‘unitive aspect’ thing last century? And what about that Old Testament line about it not being good for man to be alone?

    To be fair, sure, if it said ‘medieval christians’ were this or that, that would be one thing. But it doesn’t. It is asserting that Christianity itself –the big C– had a certain view –which I’m telling you it doesn’t now. What gives?

    BTW, the article features no Vatican or Ortho sources, and all sources post 1980.

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  40. With all of the single and non-serious women out there, why would John Smith risk his life over an engaged woman? He’s practically signing his own death warrant.

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  41. There are several large Oil-Fields in Texas. They are not in public hands…

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  42. Gentlemen, thank you for participating, but the competition is now closed. We have the Beta For All Time.

    Chinese dude is upset that his girlfriend is shopping too much, so he tells her to stop. She yells at him and so he jumps to his death by throwing himself off a mall balcony and falling seven stories to his bloody demise.

    Now THAT’S beta! Figures it was a Chinese. And we’re letting these people rule the world? Jebus.

    http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/12/09/Man-Leaps-to-His-Death-in-Shopping-Mall-After-Girlfriend-Insists-on-More-Shopping

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    • 1. Give your woman and inch, she’ll take a mile. That’s why woman are no better off than kids.
      2. If she takes a mile, either drop her (no pun intended) or make sure she outright knows.

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    • na that’s actually a pretty cool way to exit earth when you’re stuck in a communist country full of crappy women and shitty ideas

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  43. How about some fake LL Bean boyfriends to cheer the ladies up over Christmas?

    http://yourllbeanboyfriend.tumblr.com/

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  44. I’m sure this relates to the convo but isn’t the whole point of game is to be able to treat a 10 like 2? It seems most men, (me included) always in some way (if it’s noticeable or not) put women on some form of pedestal. If she’s got looks it’s something about that, if you get past that and she has smarts then it’s like you can’t believe there is a hot girl who actually thinks. They say the best way to get rid of this is to approach every hot woman you see regardless.

    Any other suggestions on ways to go about this?

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  45. “Option A) ”Wow I see you read the game. I think I’m supposed to keep plowing and tell you to shut up and meet me at 7!” (That was my choice, read it from a YaReally comment that was similar awhile back)”

    For the record, this isn’t something I would txt or recommend txting, especially the “shut up” part lol

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    • To clarify, I remember reading a comment you made a while back regarding girls calling out game via online dating. You used an agree and amplify way to respond which I borrowed and used there (to little effect).

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      • ya, it’s more the actual execution that was brutally awful lol I just don’t want people to think I’d recommend those words in that arrangement ever, ’cause that was just a terrible bastardization lol

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      • Understood. I hope one day it all starts clicking on the texting front. This his how I usually feel

        I can sometimes manage not to blow up the account like the HB7 Asian you and others helped me out with but even with studying, practicing, applying, fucking up and learning…it’s still not clicking.

        I’m still at unconscious incompetence/conscious incompetence and I’m wondering if the overall mindset I’m using to engage via text is what’s holding me back.

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      • Uh, like maybe you are used to real conversations. With subtle but important things conveyed via tone of voice, and body language, etc? You expect to natural express these things, but they aren’t transmitted, much less received. So you end up having an entirely different conversion than the person on the other end.

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      • Case in point .. was my above “uh like maybe” meant to sound agreeably sarcastic or condescending? The former.

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      • Don’t bother criticizing the self-admitted master of POOR game known as IG (personal white-knight of Scray, another self-admitted poor game practitioner). He gets into a hissy fit every time he gets called out for things that he would even readily admit himself. Check out his text game post in the last thread.

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      • I’m not criticizing anyone. I have zero interest in on-line flame wars (really, what does it take to become a #1 fan around here? I’m 99% sure that’s the first time i’ve every replied to anything the dude has said, despite having read lots of more or less interesting stuff,

        I’m just pointing out that texting lends itself to the two ends carrying on essentially very different conversations. For a variety of mutually reinforcing reasons. Lack of nuance, delay (which allows you to both lose any nuance, and imagine your own new nuance), etc. Then you start mixing in things that you assume will drive the chick in a certain directly. And, yes, I know that the whole premise is that that works, usually.

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      • Cage = GBFM = troll puppet

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      • “This his how I usually feel”

        Why are you lifting your skirt and showing everyone your beef curtains?

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      • Because I don’t need to put on an alpha mPUA badass persona to impress you guys. I’m comfortable showing my mistakes so others (including myself) are able to learn.

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      • This coming from a girl who corrects her typos for readership approval. Ugh. You’re histrionics are disgusting.

        Wrap your hooves around your panties, put them back on, and menstruate elsewhere.

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  46. Fucking hate humorless chicks like that. Even if the spark wasn’t there she didn’t have to be a bitch about it. He responded with some funny lines and she went cunt-mode engage. But heartiste and Matt K are right to emphasize the important of principles and grand strategies rather than specific tactics.

    I’ve had the “gay” reply blow up in my face, and recently killed some thick sexual tension by calling a girl a “dirty canadian.” She was actually offended. I’m sure my delivery was off somehow, but I’m at a University in Northern Washington State and feminazi PC pride is strong up here. Playful ribbing and jokes are likely to offend, even with a lot of the “men”

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  47. Just plugging this here ’cause of all the guys in the world who would be interested in helping this happen, the Manosphere and PUAs are top of the fucking list lol:

    http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1sg0ag/a_call_to_arms_in_regards_to_vasalgel_male/

    http://www.parsemusfoundation.org/vasalgel-home/

    They’ve already passed a bunch of animal testing and now they’re just trying to raise enough $ for baboon testing and after that it’s onto legit human clinical trials and onto store shelves.

    Donate if you can, if not for your own sake a few years from now, then for the sake of your sons/nephews/etc. having some kind of control over whether the random bar chick they bang in college can lock them into 18 years of child support against their will.

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  48. In other news, George Zimmerman’s girlfriend wants all the charges dropped.

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  49. Just thought I would drop this article here. Just an insight into the twisted female mind.

    Note the woman did not feel guilty in the least over her infidelity. She killed herself to avoid slut shaming. Boys take note.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2518006/Policewoman-took-overdose-died-accidentally-texting-husband-message-meant-male-colleague.html

    Note the husband is a beta. No wonder she was looking.

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  50. Re. the texting situation…….I’d never respond to a message like that. Hard to believe nobody here shares that view.

    Fresh air, my friends, is what you give those sort of SMS shit-tests.

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  51. Unrelated, I just got a freebie from a prostitute. Carry on

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    • Drinking from a petrie dish is always ill-advised… beware, lest being treated to a round ends up requiring treatment.

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  52. Pathetic. Women are evil

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  53. I’m just going to leave this here.

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  55. A possibility for the player radar girl: she has a good dad that reads in the msphere. I know I am going to teach my girl all of the tactics that players use, so we are no one’s fools.

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  56. Excellent responses on 1 and 3 (I gave up on 4) but have to take issue with number 2.

    Americans are famous for being geographically unaware, but be that as it may, for myself, I have seen quite as much of the world as I wish to and my response to any woman attempting to neg me for lack of traveller adventure would be to tell her to run up her leg. I would also add that the only reason women travel is to get laid – that is what tourism is and only about. Why would anyone want to endure the third world when they could live in Sussex – that’s what all these illegal immigrants aim at, and a million immigrants can’t all be wrong!

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  57. There is also a danger that in concocting some cock and bull story that your true ignorance of Tuscany or wherever will become obvious – thus wrecking ones opportunity. I have never been to Tuscany: why should I, the place is full if Italians.

    The only way to tell lies is when one is so indifferent and merely curious to see how gullible the woman might be. Then you can happily confess that you are fabricating whenever it suits you.

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  58. The suggested ‘internet travel’ also has its’ pitfalls.
    Like when you wax game-poetically (….) about some off-the-beaten-track street in Paris, where you discovered this lovely antiques market she missed….but she actually knows (from ACTUAL) travel experience) that it’s a shithole dumpster inhabited exclusively by Moroccans and Blacks from Tchad and there ain’t a single antique there that wasn’t stolen that morning.
    Gotta love cyberspace and the nerdoids who believe in its’ power.,….

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    • Know when to fake it. This can’t be taught my friend, I assume CH is assuming that his readers have basic self-awareness and IQ… Game effectively teaches how to con, but there’s more to BEING a con than knowing HOW TO be a con…

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  59. Her: “Are you peacocking? And will you kino me? Maybe neg me, too. Because that’s what you usually do right?”

    You: Over-the-top “Fuck yea!” then high five her.

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  60. “I made my move. I told her that I want her and that she’s an amazing woman”

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  61. “I told her basically that I want her as a woman not as a friend and I always wanted her that way and basically I’m not interested in this bullshit pretend friendship and that we can’t be “just” friends.”

    ^ Quickest way to ensure you’re never more than friends.

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  62. I confess to having had no idea what the bejeesus was meant by “Meet me at 50th n 5th @ 7th” until I realized that the “7th” is probably supposed to be just “7”.

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  63. on December 10, 2013 at 10:37 am Von Stauffenberg

    Her: “Im sorry. but this ‘date’ is not going to happen”

    Guy: “good, i dont want to get you pregnant”

    Futile at this point of course but at least he will die on his feet.. not his knees.

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  64. Her: “Im sorry. but this ‘date’ is not going to happen”

    Guy: “Date you? I don’t want to date you. I want to make you come so hard that you barely notice my jam on you chin and your knees are so wobbly that you can barely make it to the door and your cab. But barely”

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  65. Anyway, I don’t like the fake traveler approach. Best to take the uber-patriot tact, and ask why anyone would want to leave the borders of God’s ordained lands.

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  66. Is not answering the “ur a gamer” text altogether, then an hour later texting the hamster like the “ur a gamer” text never even happened, an option?

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  67. […] commenter recapitulated a female complaint overheard, that went something to the effect of: “BUT NICE GUYS DON’T KNOW HOW TO F**K!!!”  [NB: okay, so it wasn't in all-caps]  Lolozlzlzolz  Well, surely that isn’t the substance of […]

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