A Patriotic Independence Day Story

It was early evening and the sun still blazed on the horizon, casting shards of soft yellow light across faces and dewy beer pints. Sitting on the bar stools to my right were two white women. I could tell they were friends by their isolationist banter. I looked over and visually judged them; both were in their late 20s or early 30s, frumpily dressed, and of average attractiveness. Not hard on the eyes, but not boner inspiring, either. They didn’t exercise with weights; the first betrayals of droop were beginning to intrude. They looked like typical city yuppies, likely SWPL to the bone. One smiled invitingly at me. I decided neither one was good-looking enough to warrant an effort to hit on them, so I smiled back perfunctorily and returned to my dinner. (Note to Satoshi Kanazawa at ‘Psychology Today’: this is what is known as male mating choice.)

By the by, two men approached the women seated to my right in what looked like an obvious pickup attempt. There was no other reason for them to have struck up a conversation with the ladies; where the women were sitting was out of the way of the main patron thoroughfare, so a cold approach meant, quite accurately, “I have designs to fuck you for the least amount of resource investment and on the shortest timetable possible”. The men ably paired off with the women, (a smoothly executed maneuver that suggested they had discussed beforehand which of the two women appealed to whom), and a dry four-way commenced.

Because of my proximity to their group, I couldn’t help but overhear the ensuing rapid fire chit chat. The men sounded like they had some rudimentary understanding of game, or at least of how to be cool enough not to trigger a woman’s anti-dork alert system. They were able to stay in set for about ten minutes before the whole thing dissolved in a debris heap of… well, judge for yourself. What follows is the critical excerpt of their conversation.

MAN 1: You guys watching the World Cup? That Ghana game was incredible.

WOMAN 1: The one where they played Uruguay?

MAN 1: Yeah, Ghana was robbed of a goal. It’s too bad we didn’t beat Ghana. The US had a pretty good team. I think we could have taken Uruguay.

WOMAN 2: I wouldn’t have rooted for America.

MAN 1: What do you mean? You wouldn’t have rooted for America against Uruguay? [smiling crookedly, a pained lifeline to a sucker punched rapport in its infancy] That’s weird. [looking at his buddy, then back at the girl] Are you anti-American?

WOMAN 2: Anti-americaaaaaan??! [looking at her girl buddy, open-mouthed, then back at the guy] Haha, I just think America isn’t as good at soccer. They don’t really deserve to win.

MAN 2: You always root for the home team, even if they suck.

WOMAN 2: I don’t. Ghana and Uruguay are real soccer countries. They have so much more tradition. I would have totally rooted for them against America.

MAN 2: That’s anti-American!

WOMAN 2: Well, whatever, you can call it what you like. We don’t have to win everything, you know.

Tempers flared, then subsided as the men worked diligently to keep the pretense of a seduction going. The conversation fizzled to a snippy end and the men left for another bar. The women giggled as they recounted the awkwardness of the interaction, placing the blame for the failed seduction entirely on the men, as is the wont of the unaccountable and unreflective gender.

I would not claim the men performed with verve. Their game — if you could call it that — was haphazard, verging on slapstick. They let their anger bubble to the surface, and allowed their alpha prerogative to remain calm under pressure accede to the juggernaut of their hothead emotions. As noxious as the women were, calling them out on their anti-Americanism would only have served to confirm their self-satisfied pseudomorality of nation-state transcendence. If it was pussy the men wanted, a bristle-backed argumentative posture is not the way to get it. If, however, they merely wanted the exquisite sadistic pleasure of getting under the women’s skins, there are better ways than raw effrontery to accomplish that.

Allow me to demonstrate. Here is how the conversation would have transpired if I was at the helm and had it in mind to cruelly twist the shiv in their stunted SWPL souls.

THE DEVIL U LUV: You guys watching the World Cup? That Ghana game was incredible.

WOMAN 1: The one where they played Uruguay?

THE DEVIL U LUV: Yeah, Ghana was robbed of a goal. It’s too bad we didn’t beat Ghana. The US had a pretty good team. I think we could have taken Uruguay.

WOMAN 2: I wouldn’t have rooted for America.

THE DEVIL U LUV: Interesting. So you wouldn’t have rooted for America against Uruguay?

WOMAN 2: I just think America isn’t as good at soccer. They don’t really deserve to win.

THE DEVIL U LUV: [totally straight face] Hm, you know, I agree. I like the way you guys think for yourselves. Not many people are cool enough to root for a foreign country.

WOMAN 2: I suppose…

THE DEVIL U LUV: It’s important to be cool, wouldn’t you agree?

WOMAN 2: [starting to feel the burn] I guess… are you mocking us?

THE DEVIL U LUV: Not at all. I like you guys. Stay cool. [exit, stage sweet victory]

******

On this 4th of July, We the post-Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 People should spend a moment to reflect on the tenuous grasp the inheritors of the great American tradition have to their homeland. When you wave your sparklers with your kids this holiday weekend, cast a wary eye at your neighbor. A disease has metastasized in huge swaths of the American population and threatens to suffocate the grandiose and noble idea that ironically nourishes their trite impudence. The host which ennobles has become the rotting carcass upon which to feed. Gnawing and chewing parasites dripping venom and toxic bile have replaced the immune boosting white blood cells and defiantly proud armies of red blooded corpuscles of a body politic once happy, grateful, and giddy to be alive. And not just any sort of alive; the kind of exalted living that comes from knowing your good fortune to have been born in a prosperous country culturally superior to so many alternatives. Yes, superior. The very word sends shudders down the spines of the mincing globocrats and mewling equalist butterfucks.

A vector of patricidal vengeance, a boiling plume of acrid anti-native stock spite, travels up and down our coasts, from Miami to Boston, LA to Seattle, in our newsrooms, our boardrooms, our schools, and our social gathering places, carrying a message of spastic hate for America, her founding ideals, and the historically great figures who have traveled her hallowed corridors. Pockets of internal organs are infected, Chicago and Austin. These are not traitors in action… mostly… but their souls are traitorous in configuration. Their feelings are the knee-jerk bleats of a bastard people at growing unease with the country they are required by law to call home. A nation of latchkey kids — stupid in their ahistorical ignorance and frightened of the breaking surf of censored knowledge about to crash on their heads — has been in open revolt against its beneficent parent for generations now, and the opiate of distracting technoporn and glam mags can only hold off the coming reckoning for so long. They live for the comforting swaddle of the trend, and right now every trend is pointing in the direction of dialectic anti-patriotism.

In reaction, hordes of indignant evangelist armies in middlemarch shout their loyalty from rooftops. But theirs is the rearguard wail of a dumbfounded, shellshocked bit player forced by circumstance and disposition to play by the stronger enemies’ rules. It is the enemies’ first principles they must attack and subvert, but servility and cowardice prevent them from unleashing the hell they must if victory is to be total. They scream guns and glory for wars they know deep in their hearts serve no true American interest. They laugh jovially at diversity seminars that they then attend dutifully, mouths shut, for they have families to feed. They stupidly stand four square behind leaders who have checkmarked the correct ideological box despite all evidence to the contrary putting the lie to those leaders’ presupposed beliefs. They retreat to a chapel ghetto as the gleaming city around them shatters to the ground, confident that the Word and the Faith will see them through. They fight incoherent losing battles with phantom threats while ignoring or resignedly acquiescing to the real threats in their midst. They toe the line of rebellion, then quickly scuttle back under a counterstrike of nerve-rattling platitudes and orchestrated insults.

Soon… sooner than you think… the status-fueled citizen hate will yield to indifference, and exhausted resignation, if it hasn’t already. (We Americans do things on a sped-up time schedule.) And then the final days of America will descend, a tattered curtain closing on a dream corrupted by the nightmare of human nature and the willful blindness to the motivations of our enemies, internal and external. There is no stopping it now; it must play out. The smart man, making his way through this current decaying epoch, has but one choice before him — one self-interested choice — and that is the path of hedonism.

Many eons from now, when anthropologists are picking through the remains of the American Empire and piecing together a narrative for why things went so horribly wrong, may they come upon this blog post as an answer to their questions. For I truly believe that nothing else than that small snippet of a conversation on a rooftop bar in an American city circa 2010 between two typical youngish men and two typical youngish women better illuminates the cause of America’s decline and the depravity of her people who are the nominal heirs to Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin.

When the World Cup comes around again, I will be rooting for the soccer-indifferent USA to crush the smaller soccer-fanatic countries. And I won’t apologize for my loyalties, even as I laugh at soccer for being the girly, flop-happy sport it is.





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  1. Is everything okay, man?

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  2. Nothing better illustrates the state of America than it’s national sport, baseball. A sport where fat unathletic men can make millions for their singular talent of hitting a ball once every 20 swings. Runs quite parallel to corporate America where talentless and clueless bankers bancrupt the world with their idiocy.

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  3. The cultural decline being witnessed is the result of widespread transgression to natural law and evolution.

    What this country needs is a good old fashioned total war. We need to thin herd. The strong will survive and the weak will fall by the wayside. Society will prosper with the presence of struggle.

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  4. I think you are overreacting. I was happy for Ghana when they beat us. The United States is good at so many things it is nice to see another country, especially an underdog like Ghana, have some glory.

    [editor: this is why women should not have gotten the vote.]

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  5. on July 5, 2010 at 3:27 pm RotgutSaloon

    May the World Cup runneth over men that use sports talk as pick-up lines.

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  6. heh. It will either go that way, or the opposite way, where the SWPL America-haters are reduced to pathetic dependency when the coming depression destroys their bogus candy-ass jobs.

    I saw some interesting 4th of July game myself at my local swim club. Waiting on line for ice cream truck, ahead of me were a 14 or 15-year-old girl (fully mature physically, adult curves), a 13-year-old boy, and the girl’s 11-year-old friend (very immature physically, no curves). The boy was a very impressive natural alpha, negging the older girl, making fun of her phone, paying more attention to her friend, grossing them out with stories about himself; he was very good-looking but still clearly younger than his target, but by the time it was their turn for ice cream both girls had melted and couldn’t take their eyes off him, and the older girl was adjusting her wraparound to give him (and everyone else) a much better view of her well-filled bikini top.

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  7. Any American who is not working on an exit strategy for within the next 10 yrs is going to be sorry. You çan are see the destination you are on the conveyor-belt, Jump Off !!

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  8. I was in Canada for the 4th of July (still here). They just had their 1st of July. Nice country. They seem awfully proud up here, too, but they also suffer from a similar malaise, according to the locals.

    What are we doing in North America.

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  9. Beautiful, but this does not follow:

    “The smart man, making his way through this current decaying epoch, has but one choice before him — one self-interested choice — and that is the path of hedonism.”

    The aesthete and rebel might make a different choice, using shadow and flame against darkness to carve a hollow hospitable to light.

    There are more materials than those available in the homeland, and even those with enough sifting yield uncorrupted elements, fit for greater purpose.

    An absence of choice is an absence of imagination, not realism. Or, the absurdly constrained timetable of a man who denies the meaning of postmortem legacy. In which case, any age has no choice but one.

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  10. A highly decentralized, industrial grade energy technology. This is the only thing I can think of that could *possibly* turn the tables to the right direction. It would give us a fighting chance.

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  11. on July 5, 2010 at 3:48 pm AHE -ahappinessexperiment

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  12. “Any American who is not working on an exit strategy for within the next 10 yrs is going to be sorry. ”

    I am a non-American working on my entrance strategy. I want to get in on the ground floor of the coming white ethnostate.

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  13. Mr. N,
    As far as soccer goes I guess the US would be considered an underdog also. I don’t think African teams normally win the World Cup and I just thought it would be nice for one of them to win it this year, on their own continent.

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  14. Laura:

    Do you think all black nations are interchangeable? Would you cheer for team Norway over team Ghana if the world cup were being held in Germany, just so that a European team would win it?

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  15. I guess not. Being more familiar with Europe than Africa I know that most European countries are very different from one and other.

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  16. @ ASDF

    You are just blinded by the bait of prosperity,which can easily be reeled in at a moments notice. All said and done you are just ‘ Pre-Grown Labour’ as per GBFM.

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  17. on July 5, 2010 at 4:06 pm AHE -ahappinessexperiment

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  18. @Laura

    That’s a lovely sentiment but they were playing directly against the US in a specific match so it does seem a tad unpatriotic…:-)

    Ghana is actually not really an underdog in football compared to the US, they do pretty well as a national team (best/one of the best in africa?) and many of their players play for top-tier international teams. Ok, maybe not in the world cup, but England hasn’t won it for 44 years and I don’t think many dc SWPLers would support them as an underdog…

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  19. Gorbachev,

    I think the malaise stems from a culture that produces so many overweight undersexed desk jockeys trying to strike the right balance between the 2 poisons of carbs and caffeine.

    This is why running game is so important. The knowledge that another woman has surrendered herself to you physically and intellectually is quite stimulating, but our monogamous and puritanical culture forbids this.

    The solution to daily malaise is more weight lifting and more seduction.

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  20. Wake up white man!

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  21. @Paul
    The solution to daily malaise is more weight lifting and more seduction.

    I agree. Men being real men does seem to make a real difference.

    Even if you’re just continually seducing one woman.

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  22. I really enjoyed this post. The polemic is very good but funnily enough the bit I like best is the description at the beginning, the first sentence in particular is lovely. It would be really interesting to see a short story post, your descriptive writing is beautiful.

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  23. @ Phil

    Indeed. History is written in blood not ink and pixels.

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  24. Zimmerman:

    I tend to skip a lot of GBFM’s posts, so I’m not sure about this pre-grown labour business, but I am prosperous enough already. I want to move to the as-yet-nonexistent white ethnostate for the social benefits .

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  25. continually seducing one woman

    Good description of LTR game.

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  26. I’m thankful that most rightwing people aren’t as smart as you.

    It’s like some political Frankenstein gave a Klu Kluxer the articulacy of a novelist.

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  27. The biggest travesty of the coming century will be one devoid of white people on this planet. They are becoming an endangered species along with the spotted owl and humpback whale.

    Wake up white man!

    You gotta fuck and fight to save your race.

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  28. -ASDF

    A really white ethnostate would be so self-aware you would be forced to set-up a shine box.

    A mix of Chomsky and GBFM ,makes good reading.(In the ratio of 35/65 respectively.OF Course).

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  29. White ethnostate? Let me help you pack! 🙂

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  30. America sucks.

    This country was built on the backs of slaves and over the bones of the Native Americans.

    I seems a fitting irony that Mexicans (who are part Native Central American) will one day take over this country.

    Don’t say that Mother Nature doesn’t have a sense of humor.

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  31. on July 5, 2010 at 5:01 pm Cannon's Canon

    I would have run Sharia Law Game and cut off their hands.

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  32. Juel, the problem is that there are people in the U.S. today who didn’t do any of that and a great many aren’t even descendants of those who did. Most White people who are poor today are descended from people who were poor then, and some are even descendants of slaves and Native Americans.

    It’s time to learn from but leave the past in the past, and think about our national identity and our future. We have to think about what being American really means, and get much more aggressive about sustaining that against invaders and those who want to destroy us from within.

    Those Mexicans who are “taking over” need to view Mexican as their history and United States citizen as their present and their future. If not they need to gtfo.

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  33. -Cannon’s Canon

    Hah Hah Hah…what about central africa game; cut off their clits.

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  34. on July 5, 2010 at 5:08 pm Cannon's Canon

    No no, I would have run ‘Prince Johnson Game’ on them. Much better.

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  35. I agree, this attitude exemplifies deterioration of the US. I also agree, ridicule works best. No one ever forgets ridicule. Next time she will think twice.

    Three others that I harp on constantly are the general acceptance of two foolish hypotheses and one fraudulent hypothesis … the East Anglia global warming hypothesis, Ansel Keys’ lipid hypothesis and Keynesian economics. The lipid hypothesis ruined our health and created the pharmaceutical/medical industry; Keynesian economics ruined our economy and drove the banking industry; and the global warming fiasco (the fraudulent one) may yet divert large chunks of our wealth elsewhere. Unfortunately, though they never forget ridicule they sometimes fight … their fallacious beliefs have a religious air about them.

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  36. Some people aren’t worth the trouble to eviscerate. Sounds like the two 6’s had the usual inflated self-worth which, in addition to the comment, might’ve made it fun to blow them out rather than insinuate with irony.

    Latter half of this a magnificent, classic screed – amen – but really, “nothing else .. better illuminates” the cultural decline which you describe than a failed pickup attempt? c’mon.

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  37. on July 5, 2010 at 5:15 pm Rant Casey from Brazil

    “even as I laugh at soccer for being the girly, flop-happy sport it is.”

    … in America.

    Its not everywhere around the world that soccer revolves around liberal white moms in mini vans.

    Soccer is not a girly sport by the nature of it. Its not even girly at all except in America. I heard it was practiced first by women in there, so that possibly explains a lot of your perception.

    Anyway, you guys have a lot of national sports already. Why should you adopt soccer? There is no need.

    Why soccer moms are making it girly in america? Not our problem.

    What I really do *hate*, is the idea expressed in comments like this one, by Laura:

    “I think you are overreacting. I was happy for Ghana when they beat us. The United States is good at so many things it is nice to see another country, especially an underdog like Ghana, have some glory.”

    Come on… that was a lack of respect.

    Send your best men and lets compete. Dont be happy to lose. Playing your best is how you honor the competitors.

    But dont come with this “charity” shit. I’d rather lose to America playing its best, than win because “you’re letting us have at least some glory”.

    THAT is the real arrogance. “Being glad to lose” and making it look charitable. Not only anti-american, but dishonorable.

    Though I dont blame all Americans for such a girly idea. Its just that the worst ones are making the good ones look bad. Both inside and outside America.

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  38. “even as I laugh at soccer for being the girly, flop-happy sport it is.”

    the nails in my bones reattaching the “anterior cruciate ligament” to its rightful place in my knee say otherwise.

    [editor: you know i missed you, young bachelor gig.]

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  39. Juel the Worm scrawled:

    “America sucks. This country was built on the backs of slaves and over the bones of the Native Americans.”

    I think Juel needs to turn off Univision and read some history. Slavery is as old as the hills…hence this is one area where the old America (i.e., the beautiful America) was NOT exceptional.

    The only thing exceptional about American slavery is that hundreds of thousands of White men died gruesome deaths to end it.

    Subsequently, the black population became so oppressed that in the 20th century, most black “civil rights” leaders demanded repatriation to Africa to put right a historical wrong. Oh, wait…

    As for the red man, the archaeological record indicates that Whites were in North America before Tonto. See Kennewick Man, for starters.

    “I seems a fitting irony that Mexicans (who are part Native Central American) will one day take over this country.” (sic)

    Immigration policy is a political decision. There is nothing inevitable about it.

    Actually, the mestizos can be forced back to Meh-hee-co by means of attrition relatively easily. It wouldn’t be rocket science.

    Indeed, the vast majority of Whites would prefer this. I know nation-wrecking is fun to your ilk, but don’t count your chickens yet, amigo.

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  40. What Laura really means is “Ghanians are more manly, because they are Black and socially dominant and more athletic. Unlike the geeky White guys who hit on me all day long, who I find repulsive.”

    What is driving all this sentiment is women’s disgust at ordinary White men. Make women their equal, and they will find the kind of men their grandmothers found acceptable and desirable to be disgusting. Because of hypergamy. Simple as that.

    The solution is simple. For White guys to thug it up, big time. Like an Old West Gunfighter. One thing Hickock, Hardin, James, and particularly Geronimo never lacked for was women. Geronimo, killer of White (and Mexican and other Indian) women and children, was a favorite of the ladies and reportedly sired several illegitimate kids while incarcerated at yes, Pensacola Florida.

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  41. Or to raise the black flag and try to fight the New World Order?

    I wrote an editorial yesterday where I argue that the NWO has been derailed by its incompetent conspirateurs and we are currently in a fucked-up limbo between the Old World Order (ie psycho tribal nation states killing each other) and the New World Order (ie something like Star Trek). I likened our current situation to going in to get Double-D’s but instead waking up to find that the surgeon has shot himself in horror at the botch job he has created.

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  42. Do you have any idea why some Americans hate American imperialism? Have you read Confessions of an Economic Hitman? America is not a “good” empire any more than the Roman empire was a good empire. We are just empires.

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  43. ” flop-happy sport it is”

    My weak point in defense of the world’s game. Once a latin forte (Portugal, Argentina, Italy, etc.), now everyone implement it as part of strategy such as killing time and free kicks. Say what you will about the US team but do not call them floppers/divers. Bob Bradley’s only fault was that his team lack cold blooded finishers up front. Hate to admit it but the World Cup has lost its luster. The players save their top game for the clubs. It’s the US, Japan, Slovakia and the like that play their hearts out. Cashley Cole could give two shits as long as his Chelski rubles clear.

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  44. on July 5, 2010 at 5:26 pm Rant Casey from Brazil

    @gig

    “the nails in my bones reattaching the “anterior cruciate ligament” to its rightful place in my knee say otherwise.”

    My broken knee that hurts every winter agrees with you.

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  45. @rantcasey
    You’re right that football does seem very different in the states but despite that, it does seem quite girly compared to rugby and american football?

    @whiskey
    I read Laura’s post as more ‘imperial’ apologism than having the hots for the more thuggish Africans. Plenty of women who like thuggish types but I didn’t read that all at in Laura’s post and I’d suspect more women fancy Ronaldo or Beckham than Wayne Rooney or the Ghanian equivalent?

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  46. their fallacious beliefs have a religious air about them.

    This isn’t really something new. People are DUMB. Most people are always gonna be suckers.

    Example: Albania’s economy was wrecked after everyone sold all their shit to participate in Ponzi schemes? I mean, who the hell does that? And that’s just a straightforward example, a far more insidious example of a thoroughly imbecile nation is my own (Sweden). But you have to live here to truly appreciate the horror of it all.

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  47. Whatshisname said the big problem with democracy is when the people realize they can vote themselves money. Hello, SEIU union thugs. But the second, hidden problem is that the leaders figured out that it’s kinda easy to “fire” the voting citizens through new waves of immigration. If the problem to the Kennedy-socialist-types is that the Scots-Irish-Protestant-etc. background was against communism, bring in a new wave of people from outside the western tradition so they can get voters who didn’t care.

    CR does raise a good point on dealing with knee-jerks who status whore their transcendence over Americanism. It is easy to blow your stack when you move into the city and meet the products of the Ivy League and their wannabes.

    Anyway, Hotair had the 180 degree opposite conclusion yesterday though on what it all means, though. They say fight harder. CR says give up.

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  48. on July 5, 2010 at 5:30 pm namae nanka

    “Soccer is not a girly sport by the nature of it. Its not even girly at all except in America. I heard it was practiced first by women in there, so that possibly explains a lot of your perception.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer_in_the_United_States

    Title ix has lagged men’s soccer in America.
    http://savingsports.blogspot.com/2010/06/soccer-opportunity-gap-in-pictures.html

    “the nails in my bones reattaching the “anterior cruciate ligament” to its rightful place in my knee say otherwise.”

    http://orthopedics.about.com/od/aclinjury/f/women.htm

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  49. “Civilisations die by suicide, not murder”

    A splendid post. It’s amazing how the American Empire is running itself into the ground.

    And yet, as bad as the US problem’s are, Europe’s are ten times worse. Holland and France are going to be subsumed into the Islamic caliphate. Crime and economic collapse. And liberals think they’re living in Utopia.

    The “thinking classes” have led us to our ruin.

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  50. Askjoe,

    The Catholic immigrants are pretty anti-communistic too.

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  51. The solution is simple. For White guys to thug it up,

    Well I don’t know. That doesn’t feel congruent to me at all. I don’t feel a real strong desire to become a brute just to get women. The approach I advocate is more along the lines of what Steve Martin used to say: “become so good they can’t ignore you”. Rack up so much personality, achievements, inner game, skills (ONE of which is making money), and plain old “I just don’t give a fuck what you think, you silly girl” that they will flock to you. And no this isn’t a typical beta provider thing ’cause I am not pursuing those things to get girls (well there is the argument that everything we do is driven by libido but I won’t get into that) but rather because *I* want to. And as a result, I am far more passionate, interesting and versatile than most men I meet, who are relying on external sources of self-worth.

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  52. namae nakna:

    Several studies have been done to investigate ACL tears in female atheltes, and what is well known is that in sports that place a significant demand on the ACL, such as basketball, soccer, cheerleading, and others, ACL injuries are up to ten times more common in women than in men.

    Your link suggests that basketball and soccer are equaly effeminate. It also suggests, to more hateful readers, that women weren´t built for playing sports. This is why so few of them actually play sports that put demands on the ACL.

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  53. on July 5, 2010 at 5:39 pm Rant Casey from Brazil

    @ Lily

    “You’re right that football does seem very different in the states but despite that, it does seem quite girly compared to rugby and american football?”

    It requires team spirit, endurance, strategy, skill, hierarchy, stranght, accuracy and controlling your nerves.

    And *thumos*. You cannot jump like a girl in a corner kick and still score a goal. You’d be tossed a couple feet away be the defense, and it wont even be foul.

    You have to play in an assertive fashion if you are to win.

    That all sound very masculine to me.

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  54. I figured mentioning the Irish would cover our Catholic friends. I hope that the “fire-the-voters” tactics will back fire. Out in the burbs, there are a lot of churches with strange alphabets on them. And a lot of immigrants are small business owners. They may figure out, eventually, which side the lefties are on.

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  55. @ All
    Yuri Bezmenov (former KGB)

    @ Rivelino
    “Confessions of an Economic Hitman” is an excellent book. I think she would like it.

    @ Laura
    If you count Ghana is an underdog you had don’t recall Ghana beat US last world cup too.

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  56. A side effect of diversity is it generally reduces everyone’s contentment. God didn’t give us equal talents, and some will do better than others, just as women do better at paper pushing cubicle jobs than men. It’s economic competitive advantage. I read Denmark is very happy due to the sameness of all the people: everyone has the same type of house and everyone marries the same sort of spouse. It is easy to be content in Denmark, but content people end up losers in America.

    I think immigrants would prefer assimilation to predatory behavior, your reference to a carcass, but assimilation is doubtful whereas rent-seeking is certain and objective. Some have wondered why modern non-WASP bankers are so greedy: why leave easy risk free money on the table for the next guy if the next guy is not my kin or a descendant? That sort of individual mindset in the aggregate leads to national decline.

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  57. getting a little worried about the devil here. patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel who isn’t getting laid enough.

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  58. on July 5, 2010 at 6:17 pm Sad Brazilian

    hehehe…
    SWPL girls should be dumped at Morumbi stadium, in the middle of a Corinthians x Sao Paulo match. It is war. 60 thousand ogres full of testosterone hurling, one can feel the concrete tremble. Sometimes they kill someone. Nothing like that sissy Worl Cup.
    Reminds me of the movie Fight Club, what you get when you culturally castrate young men.

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  59. You’ve been told many times that this by-gone America that you lust after still exists in those nightmarish flyover states. Why don’t you move there, wave as many flags as you want, feel your chest swell with patriotism etc, and leave those of us here in NYC/New England and those over in the North West and Southern California to get on with it.

    Your pretense of ‘infiltrating’ SWPL-topia is getting tiring.

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  60. on July 5, 2010 at 6:19 pm namae nanka

    “Your link suggests that basketball and soccer are equaly effeminate. It also suggests, to more hateful readers, that women weren´t built for playing sports. This is why so few of them actually play sports that put demands on the ACL.”

    No, my link suggests that you got a girly injury playing a girly sport. 🙂

    “It requires team spirit, endurance, strategy, skill, hierarchy, stranght, accuracy and controlling your nerves.”

    Team work isn’t a masculine thing, that’s why too many alphas are bad for a team. otoh some memorable goals are scored in the process.

    “You have to play in an assertive fashion if you are to win.”

    Like this,

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  61. on July 5, 2010 at 6:22 pm namae nanka

    http://orthopedics.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=orthopedics&cdn=health&tm=2303&f=10&tt=12&bt=1&bts=1&zu=http://www.orthosupersite.com/view.asp%3FrID%3D2093

    A review of NCAA data for collegiate basketball and soccer players from 1989-2001 showed that injury rates per 1000 athletes for any ACL injury ranged from 0.03 to 0.13 for male basketball players, 0.20 to 0.37 for female basketball players, 0.001 to 0.16 for male soccer players, and 0.17 to 0.34 for female soccer players. The rates of ACL injuries in male soccer players went down significantly over time while the rate in femaleathletes rose. In basketball the rate in men went up while the rate in women went down.

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  62. on July 5, 2010 at 6:24 pm Original JB

    “Anyway, Hotair had the 180 degree opposite conclusion yesterday though on what it all means, though. They say fight harder. CR says give up.”

    Yeah. Both analyze the problem correctly; the prescriptions and prognostications differ.

    I’m an optimist about the future. I believe the enemy lost when it abandoned its strategy of gradualism and decided to floor the gas pedal. It was too soon. They overreached. Now they’ve aroused the will to fight until victory is complete. The march through the institutions will be reversed. It might take a decade and things will get rough. But they’ve unleashed forces they can neither understand nor control.

    “A highly decentralized, industrial grade energy technology. This is the only thing I can think of that could *possibly* turn the tables to the right direction. It would give us a fighting chance.”

    I’m still waiting for the EESTOR announcement. Storage is the critical thing here. You get that and EVs and grid storage are a done deal.

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  63. on July 5, 2010 at 6:28 pm Sad Brazilian

    America kicked butt. They ruled the XX in every area and they even had some freedom ! Best state experience ever.
    Now it is over. The elite wants global government and socio-fascism. American freedom is a big no-no. So they are poisoning it from the inside, with the help of swpl fools.
    America seems to love to be betrayed, to take it in the ass and smile. Perhaps from a sense of guilt for being better and richer?

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  64. This post had a very Aesop Rock feel to it. http://i.imgur.com/sYd3J.jpg

    Ah, the many choices a young man has. To get sucked into the matrix and eat/drink/breathe the mental filth produced by themselves and millions of others? To become a hedonist like many others, in the spirit of ‘after me, the flood!’ Or to raise the black flag and try to fight the New World Order?

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  65. on July 5, 2010 at 6:30 pm namae nanka

    Personal favorite:

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  66. No, my link suggests that you got a girly injury playing a girly sport. 🙂

    So I got an injury which requires me to spend 6 months in fisiotherapy where girls outnumber guys 10 to 1???

    it is also true that those 10 girls who injured their ACL as I injured mine were selected among cheerleaders and other sport-playing chicks? girls selected for their fitness???

    You really mean that I am forced to share the same room with an uber-slected pool of girls outnumbering me beyond any dream because I got some girlie injury??

    I need to start playing WOrld of Warcraft urgently……..

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  67. on July 5, 2010 at 6:34 pm AHE -ahappinessexperiment

    “Now it is over. The elite wants global government and socio-fascism. American freedom is a big no-no. So they are poisoning it from the inside, with the help of swpl fools.”

    Sad Brazilian, how much time have you spent in the US? Do you know any of this shit firsthand or are you just reading it from the echo-chamber here?

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  68. Team work isn’t a masculine thing, that’s why too many alphas are bad for a team. otoh some memorable goals are scored in the process.

    I´ve read in this blog that team work is not masculine, war is not masculine, working hard to earn lots of money is not masculine, bla bla bla

    Since 99% of men stand to pee, I think that the alpha thing to do is sitting to pee. Because, you know, alphas behave diferently.

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  69. on July 5, 2010 at 6:45 pm Sad Brazilian

    Lived there for a couple of years in different periods, visited it about a dozen times more, studied it forever.
    My fear is that you think SPWLs are responsible for the situation. They are just the tip of the iceberg.
    Nothing happens by chance. You had a good thing going on but became complacent.

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  70. Moron, that quote doesn’t mean that patriotism is a by-product of being a scoundrel.

    anyway,

    “I’m thankful that most rightwing people aren’t as smart as you.”

    Keep patting yourself on the back.

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  71. on July 5, 2010 at 6:50 pm namae nanka

    “blah blah blah ..
    I need to start playing WOrld of Warcraft urgently……..”

    Don’t get your panties in a bunch for not getting it right the first time.

    “I´ve read in this blog that team work is not masculine, war is not masculine, working hard to earn lots of money is not masculine, bla bla bla”

    One more, army is not a masculine institution.

    “Since 99% of men stand to pee, I think that the alpha thing to do is sitting to pee. Because, you know, alphas behave diferently.”

    As long as you have a girl waiting to blow you.

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  72. on July 5, 2010 at 6:53 pm Rant Casey from Brazil

    “Team work isn’t a masculine thing, that’s why too many alphas are bad for a team. otoh some memorable goals are scored in the process.”

    Too many alphas is bad for a team because you cannot have a collective of narcissistic men and have it functional at the same time.

    When I say this I have the image of a roman phalanx in my mind.

    The image of 1 thousand histrionic men having theyr throat slit by barbarian germans because they refused to cooperate among themselves is not too manly in my mind.

    But dont take me for a game hater. I’m not. I’m just cautious with excessive extrapollation of the idea of alpha.

    The way I see it, most forms of power translate in sexual power. But sexual power do not necessarely translates into the broader sense of “power”.

    Mystery is alive to prove my point. Very alpha. Not very masculine or powerful in every sense, however.

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  73. As for the whole superiority thing, the HBDists and the multi-culti’s both ignore that the urge for totalitarianism is color-blind. It’s just that the SWPL’s (and the Kennedy-esque clans from which it came to this country) feel the need to dress it up with fancy code-words and utopian dreams. At the end of the day, it’s still tribal, and they still want to take and to punish.

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  74. I wasn’t rooting for America to win. I didn’t care that much either way. Soccer sucks, the people I knew who played it were dicks who thought they were a lot more athletic than they really were. Plus, out of pure self-interest, the alpha athlete population should be kept as small as possible, and relegated to the three major sports. What reason did I have to root for America? I have loyalty to my family and friends, not some dying land ruled by a monkey foreigner who hates the people who built it. I can’t see any rational reason to care if the US wins the World Cup.

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  75. on July 5, 2010 at 7:04 pm Sad Brazilian

    Why people bring the discussion of big problems to the narrow focus of their own experiences?

    PS: Muslims sit down to pee, the prophet commands them to.

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  76. “The solution is simple. For White guys to thug it up, big time.”

    Brilliantly put. At college, white women worship the black football team here. (We call them cleatchasers)

    This inspires me to go join the local mens Rugby Team tomorrow. Nothing says thuggishness than hitting the fuck out of each other not wearing pads and then having a keg party afterwards.

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  77. What are your politics? You are ostensibly just a cynic out to get as much ‘tang as possible, but occasionally a more idealist side of you seems to shine through.

    Also, a good inner game state boost to use in social settings when out-statused by the hipsters (at least if you have any kind of personal development going on in your life) is to think “where am I going to be in 5 years? How fuckin’ great won’t I be? And how much will YOU have accomplished in your ironic t-shirt?” That pretty much kills any status inferiority caused by SWPLite pattern-emissions aimed at my limbic system’s social hierarchy-determining algorithms. I’ve been developing all kinds of mind hacks like these. Apparently I am really sensitive to the hipsters, I find it very hard to block out all the signals that they are sending out with their clothes, mannerisms, behaviors etc, even though I know full well on a rational level that they are vapid twits. Hipster liberalism is meme pollution!

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  78. this post is correct. it’s that gone. there’s a heavy, hard, merciless wave that’s going to crash. take care it doesn’t fall on your individual head. be ready to watch the world around you wash away in the surf.

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  79. the problem is insoluble.

    and if there is no solution, there is no problem.

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  80. on July 5, 2010 at 7:18 pm Rant Casey from Brazil

    @Sad Brazilian

    “Why people bring the discussion of big problems to the narrow focus of their own experiences?”

    Cause… you know… “the personal is political”… memes are that powerful…

    “PS: Muslims sit down to pee, the prophet commands them to.”

    So that whole jihad thing is “Stand-to-wield-the-penis Envy”?

    I doubt Freud ever thought of that…

    That maybe explains why feminists dont mess with muslim. Honor killings and hijab is just a small price to pay to have men sit down to pee…

    Castration comes first!

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  81. “The solution is simple. For White guys to thug it up, big time.”

    This is true but uttered by some like it’s some shocking revelation. Normal white men of all social classes across all times and nations did a version of “thuggish.” Duh. Every boy always knew that punching another boy in the face and making a move on a girl were something you’re SUPPOSED to do.

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  82. on July 5, 2010 at 7:26 pm aussie girl

    No Australian would dare say in public that they did not want the Soccoroos to win. Even though most of us have a second team loyalty depending on where are family is from, you do NOT dis Australia. Seriously guys, some national pride please?

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  83. Rant Casey from Brazil,
    The US team really did want to win and most of the people I was watching the game with were really rooting for the US. Now that you point it out, I do see how my viewpoint is patronizing. My dad played for the US World Cup soccer team back in the 70’s, (they never made it past the qualifying rounds) so I have a personal affinity for soccer and would enjoy watching the US be a serious contender. I like sports where kids can just go outside and play and soccer is definitely one of those sports. For some reason, though, I don’t see a lot of kids in my neighborhood just playing soccer.
    Lily,
    I think it would have been fun if the US had played England in the finals and I definitely would have wanted us to win.

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  84. on July 5, 2010 at 7:31 pm namae nanka

    “So that whole jihad thing is “Stand-to-wield-the-penis Envy”?

    I doubt Freud ever thought of that…

    That maybe explains why feminists dont mess with muslim. Honor killings and hijab is just a small price to pay to have men sit down to pee…

    Castration comes first!”

    haha

    google threw up this:
    http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54301

    lool

    Adding more to the masculinity list:
    Islam is a very feminine religion. Patriarchy is not necessarily masculine in nature.(for betas and women)

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  85. Why do you care? America isn’t worth preserving as the “greatest nation on earth”. It isn’t even as impressive an empire as Great Britain, which was almost entirely founded on dumb luck.

    Seeing as you’re someone who obviously believes in genetic imperatives before all else, you must be able to see that it’s not exactly possible to keep America “for the Americans”, being the melting pot that it is. America’s inevitable fate is to be overrun by outsiders, who have no vested interest in the preservation of its way of life. And since we’ve had a large minority of genetic refuse from the start, I’d have thought you’d have seen it as irrevocably rotten just because we didn’t genocide the blacks along with the damed indians at the outset. I’d think you’d be packing your bags to move to Germany or Israel, spawn some uber-menchen with a girl no more than ten IQ points below yourself.

    I can’t really deny these ugly truths. Nobody who isn’t lying to themselves (or hopelessly ignorant and stupid) can. All humans are just thinking machines, and the differences between us lie in systems we don’t understand and can’t really control. Even you, obviously being in the top 1% (probably top .1%) of all thinkers in this country, are utterly at the mercy of those same forces. You just happened to get a better hand than everyone else. America’s cognitive elite are no different.

    As for me, I hope for a technological singularity. That’s the only hope I have for a future I’d remotely like to live to see. An intelligence so far beyond our own that the differences between us don’t matter anymore, and nobody has to be relegated to the scrap heap because of things they can’t control. Or maybe we can just all be relegated to the scrap heap together and get it over with.

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  86. And I can’t escape this CH truth: all my friends who are smart had parents who settled for each other. All my dumbass friends had parents who met and fell in love in the throes of passion. Most of my friends are dumbasses.

    Solutions?

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  87. @Ludwig
    The only thing exceptional about American slavery is that hundreds of thousands of White men died gruesome deaths to end it.

    This is true.

    As for the red man, the archaeological record indicates that Whites were in North America before Tonto. See Kennewick Man, for starters.

    This is bogus. Whatever Kennewick man was, he wasn’t white. There were other races around. The world was much more diverse. The native Americans populated the place several times, in different waves. One of the last ones was the Dene-Athabascan wave (Hopi in the south, all over northern Canada, little pockets), related to the Siberian Yenisei (more or less).

    All of the Siberian links were exterminated by contact with the Russians in the 16th-17th centuries.

    The first people in the Americas looked like Australian Aborigines. They were exterminated and absorbed and never had large numbers.

    But the first wave was oceanic, and probably survived in South America relatively late – like the last 1-2000 years. Patagonians were

    Immigration policy is a political decision. There is nothing inevitable about it.

    Visiting Canada. They have a selective policy up here. Open immigration is just dumb.

    I see no reason why we couldn’t at least do that. Crazy.

    don’t count your chickens yet, amigo.

    I agree.

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  88. on July 5, 2010 at 7:53 pm Vincent Ignatius

    I wear my nationalistic chauvinism proudly. We’re better than you and when we destroy ourselves and you are overrun by hordes of Islamic barbarians, you will yearn for the return of the “oppressive” American “empire”.

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  89. on July 5, 2010 at 7:54 pm Rant Casey from Brazil

    “Adding more to the masculinity list:
    Islam is a very feminine religion. Patriarchy is not necessarily masculine in nature.(for betas and women)”

    I dont know Islam too well.

    Being a Christian, I can say that I resent the “may the weak inherit bla bla bla” part. Interestingly enough, that seem to be the moral foundation of communism…

    Today you can find more trasncendence in a fist fight and more “metanoia” in a hangover, than in a church.

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  90. on July 5, 2010 at 7:54 pm Sad Brazilian

    Guys, you should listen to some Alex Jones…
    Herbs and betas will soon hand down their women to Goldman Sachs, the Bilderbergs, the bankers and nobility from Europe, so they can keep their flat screen TVs.
    In Brazil we already have, but the level we started from was much lower…

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  91. “They may figure out, eventually, which side the lefties are on.”

    Ask joe – I reckon it’s quite possible that the immigrants will become progressively more conservative over time. It happened with the Italians in particular.

    And then, the lefties will just have to find some new group for their cadres.

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  92. immigration without assimilation is colonization. Just go to the Islamic parts of Paris.

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  93. @A.H.A.
    Example: Albania’s economy was wrecked after everyone sold all their shit to participate in Ponzi schemes? I mean, who the hell does that?

    Apparently, Albanians.

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  94. Reading this blog is a bit like being Macbeth in Act V, Scene 5.

    But like Macbeth, entertaining nonetheless.

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  95. The key test is whether immigrants are prepared to use English as their main language, and to raise their children as English-speakers.

    This bilingual education is a really bad idea.

    In a lot of European countries, it’s even more crazy. Official documents are published in the native language, English, Chinese, Arabic and a few other tongues.

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  96. on July 5, 2010 at 8:13 pm namae nanka

    Alphaness

    “I dont know Islam too well.”

    Islam literally means “submission (to God).”
    /end

    “Being a Christian, I can say that I resent the “may the weak inherit bla bla bla” part. Interestingly enough, that seem to be the moral foundation of communism…

    Today you can find more trasncendence in a fist fight and more “metanoia” in a hangover, than in a church.”

    Yep. Fight Club to the rescue.

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  97. Apparently, Albanians.

    Bernie Maddoff would add: “New York Jews!”

    HA !!!

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  98. on July 5, 2010 at 8:16 pm the realist

    “Guys, you should listen to some Alex Jones…”

    I think GBFM has just about covered everything that fat fuck has to say and more and better.

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  99. Thursday,

    While I’d share a lot of your reservations about a takeover by religious conservatives (I’m very pro-life, but I’d disagree with them on 95% of all other issues), I’d still point out that these people have pretty good taste when it comes to art.

    Even crazy Bob Jones at his blasted unaccredited univesity had a splendid collection of Baroque art (pretty funny given his foaming at the mouth hatred of Catholicism and nudity – two of the main traits of art then).

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  100. on July 5, 2010 at 8:18 pm AHE -ahappinessexperiment

    “No Australian would dare say in public that they did not want the Soccoroos to win. Even though most of us have a second team loyalty depending on where are family is from, you do NOT dis Australia. Seriously guys, some national pride please?”

    i watched the ghana game with a date who said she was for ghana but fact was when the game was on she didn’t really watch it because she just didn’t care about sports one way or the other. but the swpl guys i know who are actual soccer fans wouldn’t have thought of not rooting for the US. it really comes down to whether you like sports or not. if you do it’s kinda hard not to root for your own team.

    what the brazilians and aussies and others here don’t seem to get about americans is that we don’t identify our soccer team as part of our national identity. soccer only ranks a few points higher on our national identity scale as the tour de france and whatever that yachting competition is called.

    it’s akin to rooting for the USA to win the gay olympics. you probably shouldn’t root too loudly.

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  101. Herbs and betas will soon hand down their women to Goldman Sachs, the Bilderbergs, the bankers and nobility from Europe, so they can keep their flat screen TVs.

    So Bill Clinton and Prince Charles are both living under my, just waiting for the moment to rob some girl from me?

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  102. ** living under my BED

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  103. Gorbachev: hahaha, funny 🙂 Btw, respond to my email plz.

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  104. “I’m thankful that most rightwing people aren’t as smart as you.”

    Most? Sounds like a fallacy of evaluating an ideology by its noisiest adherents, no doubt Glenn Beck comes to mind. Stupid people are very noisy and that applies to the whole political spectrum. Vapid SWPLs get away with bleating platitudes because they are modish and are meant to sound ‘deep’ to elevate the status of those who espouse it. I would say conversely that the Left can’t be judged by SWPLs but near-absolute social constructivism and whatnot are so absurd to me to begin with that there’s no point.

    If the internet has told me anything, it’s that more articulate rightists exist than SWPLs like to think. Smart rightists no doubt find themselves tactfully wearing the proverbial sheep’s clothing (figuratively and literally) in meatspace, keeping relatively shtum about their un-modish views, effectively slipping under the radar, leaving only the unflattering image of semi-literate ‘teabaggers’ and the like.

    “It’s like some political Frankenstein gave a Klu Kluxer the articulacy of a novelist.”

    I like how you extrapolated ‘Ku Kluxer’ out of her sentiments. Granted, that’s probably your epithet for anyone giving credence to notions of pride or HBD (god forbid!).

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  105. @Cap’n Bo
    The key test is whether immigrants are prepared to use English as their main language, and to raise their children as English-speakers.

    This bilingual education is a really bad idea.

    Turn them into English people. Always good.

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  106. “Turn them into English people. Always good.”

    Once they don’t acquire some of the stranger English enthusiasms, such as Morris dancing.

    Of course, in non-Anglophone countries, let them learn whatever the native language is. But a babel of languages is rarely a good idea, even from a bureaucratic point of view.

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  107. on July 5, 2010 at 8:42 pm Rant Casey from Brazil

    @ ahappinessexperiment

    “what the brazilians and aussies and others here don’t seem to get about americans is that we don’t identify our soccer team as part of our national identity. soccer only ranks a few points higher on our national identity scale as the tour de france and whatever that yachting competition is called. ”

    Yes, we do.

    From my 1st coment:

    “Anyway, you guys have a lot of national sports already. Why should you adopt soccer? There is no need. “

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  108. I never expected leftism to last forever — it’s too communist-like in its contradictions — but its demise will come sooner than many expect. Why? cool and intelligent people are seeing the lies for what they are. Soon, they will be saying them openly. The interent played a huge role in this. A generation ago, a Mencius or a CH would have been impossible. Today, thanks to the samizdata of the internet, they are the template for next generation of smart and cool.

    Think of how much sooner the edifice would have collapsed had the internet come about 25 years earlier. I think there was geniune groundswell of reaction with Reagan’s firtst election. The “civil rights” usurpation was fresh in memory, and PC was not as rooted in people’s psyched. But the media masterfully played their hand, unopposed, and persuaded the cool and the smart to be liberal.

    Today, the media, aka globalization’s propaganda arm, is not quite Pravda-impotent, but it’s getting there.

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  109. Nicole: “White ethnostate? Let me help you pack!”

    If it comes to that, I suspect that you will be doing the packing. Maybe he’ll help you.

    Nicole: “It’s time to learn from but leave the past in the past, and think about our national identity and our future.”

    We ARE thinking about our national identity and future…and it appears that more people are concluding that you shouldn’t be a part of it. Would it be such a horror to live amongst your own people, rather than as a flea on a cat?

    @Gorbachev
    Gorbachev, you seem to be mighty sure of yourself concerning the peopling of the Americas, an area that is full of more theory than fact. For example, there is more evidence than just Kennewick man that whites were on this continent first, or at least much earlier than previously understood. There are competing theories that need to be explored before simply declaring exactly how events transpired. We simply don’t know with the certainty that you suggest.

    The one thing that we know for certain is that this is a highly politically charged subject, and in a politically correct age it is likely that some theories will be suppressed, whereas others will be favored for political reasons. Obviously, Indians aren’t about to let go of their “first dibs moral superiority status” without a fight, much less lose it to the white race. None of the political classes currently in charge would want the narrative changed in any substantial way, again much less in favor of whites.

    When and if this area of history can be studied properly, which is not the case today, perhaps we’ll gain a better take on matters.

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  110. @Mr. N

    “http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlpODYhnPEo”

    Thanks! That truth hurts!

    @Canon
    “I would have run Sharia Law Game and cut off their hands.”

    Hehe. The whole Islam gig has the libtards
    caught in hopeless contradictions. The underlying
    contradiction is that they believe “tolerance”
    is such a superbly good thing. I agree, but only
    up to a point. Most obviously, when dealing with
    ideologies that are themselves viciously intolerant,
    (yesterday, Communism, today add Islamism),
    a choice must be made. You cannot be endlessly
    tolerant with an intolerant ideology, it is both
    philosophically absurd and practically suicidal.

    And yet, the libtards and femtards cheer at a
    piss Christ, but think a piss Mohammed would
    be utterly offensive. Go figure!

    A.H.A.
    “That pretty much kills any status inferiority caused by SWPLite pattern-emissions aimed at my limbic system’s social hierarchy-determining algorithms”

    ROTLFMAO! I wish I had written that.

    Also, on Sweden, where A.H.A. lives:
    I read an article recently, where somebody gleefully
    recapped a conversation where the “ugly American”
    got his just desserts when it was explained to him
    that a middle-class Swede is way ahead, he receives
    so much in benefits that it compensates for the
    high taxes.

    In static analysis, this is almost correct. The problem is
    a total marginal tax rate of about 75% (average
    case, how much the employer has to pay a Swede
    to give him one krona of net spending power, the
    answer is about 4 kronor). This means that effort is
    is 75% decoupled from reward. The stat above includes
    all taxes, income, payroll, VAT etc. but NOT sin taxes.

    So there is not much point in making an effort in Sweden,
    unless you TRULY love your work.

    @ohiostater
    “why leave easy risk free money on the table for the next guy if the next guy is not my kin or a descendant? That sort of individual mindset in the aggregate leads to national decline.”

    The problem is a government that leaves all that
    risk free money on the table. SOMEBODY is going
    to pick it up, unless everybody was a saint.

    @Original JB
    “I’m an optimist about the future. I believe the enemy lost when it abandoned its strategy of gradualism and decided to floor the gas pedal. It was too soon. They overreached. Now they’ve aroused the will to fight until victory is complete. The march through the institutions will be reversed. It might take a decade and things will get rough.

    But they’ve unleashed forces they can neither understand nor control.”

    There is a theory about this, cannot remember who wrote it, maybe Vlad the Ulyanoff, but it is about the endgame. You have to time the endgame right. If you start the endgame too early, as it is always tempting to do, you can get run over. Maybe this is what’s happening. I can only hope.

    Thor

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  111. Ryder, my own people are independent thinkers. Me and mine will be alright no matter what you tools do.

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  112. on July 5, 2010 at 7:25 pm namae nanka

    “Too many alphas is bad for a team because you cannot have a collective of narcissistic men and have it functional at the same time.”

    In the game of soccer yes.

    “When I say this I have the image of a roman phalanx in my mind.

    The image of 1 thousand histrionic men having theyr throat slit by barbarian germans because they refused to cooperate among themselves is not too manly in my mind.”

    Or it’s foolish to die for honor nowadays. I don’t know the history, just a general statement.

    “But dont take me for a game hater. I’m not. I’m just cautious with excessive extrapollation of the idea of alpha.

    The way I see it, most forms of power translate in sexual power. But sexual power do not necessarely translates into the broader sense of “power”.

    Mystery is alive to prove my point. Very alpha. Not very masculine or powerful in every sense, however.”

    Yes I was not using alpha of his definition, it should have been self-evident.

    Guys like this:

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  113. From Machiavelli,

    “Agathocles, the Sicilian, became King of Syracuse not only from a private but from a low and abject position. This man, the son of a potter, through all the changes in his fortunes always led an infamous life. Nevertheless, he accompanied his infamies with so much ability of mind and body that, having devoted himself to the military profession, he rose through its ranks to be Praetor of Syracuse. Being established in that position, and having deliberately resolved to make himself prince and to seize by violence, without obligation to others, that which had been conceded to him by assent, he came to an understanding for this purpose with Hamilcar, the Carthaginian, who, with his army, was fighting in Sicily. One morning he assembled the people and senate of Syracuse, as if he had to discuss with them things relating to the Republic, and at a given signal the soldiers killed all the senators and the richest of the people; these dead, he seized and held the princedom of that city without any civil commotion. And although he was twice routed by the Carthaginians, and ultimately besieged, yet not only was he able to defend his city, but leaving part of his men for its defence, with the others he attacked Africa, and in a short time raised the siege of Syracuse. The Carthaginians, reduced to extreme necessity, were compelled to come to terms with Agathocles, and, leaving Sicily to him, had to be content with the possession of Africa.”

    God give us an Agathocles!

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  114. The whole thing could have been avoided if the two guys didn’t start talking sports in the middle of a pickup. What next, talking about financial markets and politics? And then follow it up with a discussion of your favourite graphic novels?

    She wasn’t saying, “I wanted Ghana to win”, she was saying, “I don’t give a fuck about this sport shit that you worship”.

    And the solution isn’t too difficult either. If some girl says some shit like, “I want Ghana to win”, well, you either walk away calmly like the Dark Lord suggests, or, you just smirk at her, as if she’s a funny little bratty sister, and tell her, “You’re so funny”, as if you don’t take what she’s saying seriously at all.

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  115. It seems “game” and “alpha behavior” become more important as civilization deteriorates. Compare inner city conditions versus suburbs. Stated differently, game becomes more important as conditions for raising kids deteriorate.

    When there are good conditions for reproduction (like in the upper class) older family members coordinate the process, and they are in general less sensitive to game tactics, bad boy tricks, or demonstrations of “high value”. To do well in these circles, to get on the dance card of a debutante, you need to actually have high value.

    So he has no direct interest in the future of America per se, but as the future of America darkens, game becomes a more valuable skill to have.

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  116. honestly son sometimes your writing is just fucking amazing

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  117. Ludwig wrote:
    “As for the red man, the archaeological record indicates that Whites were in North America before Tonto. See Kennewick Man, for starters.”

    Gorbachev replied:
    “This is bogus. Whatever Kennewick man was, he wasn’t white. There were other races around. The world was much more diverse. The native Americans populated the place several times, in different waves.”

    My point is that the reigning PC Party Line (“Native Americans controlled North America since the beginning of time until Whitey came on the scene and gave them cholera”) is what’s bogus.

    Were Kennewick Man’s peeps the first people here? I have no idea. Maybe that honor goes to the Clovis Man. Again, no one knows.

    Here’s the thing: The government-media-higher ed cabal lies about everything ELSE with political implications, and we’d be fools to accept the Party Line on this. (which, to your credit, it sounds like you don’t)

    My other main point: For the Indians to nurse this grudge of “we-are-morally-superior-because-we-were-here-before-whitey” is ridiculous. You’d be hard pressed to name me a plot of land occupied by a discrete ethnic group today that has been controlled by that EXACT SAME ethnic group since the dawn of man. Wars happen. Tribe A wins, Tribe B loses. People get displaced.

    I don’t know who occupied the American southwest before the Apache, but I can quite confidently say the Apache didn’t control it from the dawn of man. So who the hell do these Apache think they are? LOL. See? That reasoning is absurd. But only the White man is made to feel morally guilty for occupying certain lands TODAY, in 2010.

    To be perfectly frank, I really don’t care whether the Indians ruled what is now the USA right up until 1776. Whites clearly were stronger, and Whites summarily displaced them and proceeded to dictate to them the way things would be.

    The circle of life!

    When you’re stronger, and when you’re racially aware, that’s just how the cookie crumbles. That’s how every human tribe as operated down through human history, including, I might add, the intra-tribal wars in North America which the White man had nothing to do with.

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  118. @soccer is girlier than football
    What’s more manly, stopping to rest every twelve seconds or playing for a solid 45 minutes and then another solid 45 minutes? What’s more manly, subbing in only 3 men per game, inspiring athletes to “suck it up” and/or stitch it up and get on with the game, vs. substituting out the entire team every time the possession changes?

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  119. “Here’s the thing: The government-media-higher ed cabal lies about everything ELSE with political implications, and we’d be fools to accept the Party Line on this.”

    yeah. And we’d be fools to accept the party line on evolution, germ theory and the biogenic origin of oil too.

    the presence of white men in ancient america is extremely important to mormon’s — otherwise, what was jesus doing here at the time? talking to apaches? lolzlolzll

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  120. on July 5, 2010 at 11:05 pm paultheking

    America has been on the fast track to destruction ever since they started letting foreigners in. Lol

    Did it really take four people arguing about football (thats what foreigners call soccer) to arrive at this conclusion?

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  121. on July 5, 2010 at 11:06 pm namae nanka

    What is more manly, 100m dash or marathon?

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  122. Ludwig wrote: “Here’s the thing: The government-media-higher ed cabal lies about everything ELSE with political implications, and we’d be fools to accept the Party Line on this.”

    AHE snarked: “yeah. And we’d be fools to accept the party line on evolution, germ theory and the biogenic origin of oil too.”

    Evolution, germ theory, and the origin of oil? Yeah, that’s a real nice apples/apples comparison to the question of who lived in N. America before whom, ace. I mean, why not throw in the heliocentric solar system while you’re at it?

    Never fear, Keith Olbermann and Frank Rich will be back soon to break this crazy world down for you.

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  123. Ludwig,
    “Never fear, Keith Olbermann and Frank Rich will be back soon to break this crazy world down for you.”

    you’ve pegged me

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  124. Nobody has commented on the very high quality of the insult he dreamed up for those girls. Very impressive. I am going to try to remember it and use it sometime.

    I wonder if the reaction of the men in this story was an attempt at a neg. If so, they overplayed their hand.

    [editor: bingo, grampa. i plan to examine the overplayed neg in a future post.]

    Maybe something like: “Well, every player on every team has devoted years of his life to getting to the World Cup. To say so and so doesn’t deserve to win seems unfair. The American players in particular have had to overcome a national indifference to their sport to achieve a high level of play. Wouldn’t that make them more deserving than players from a country where soccer is the only big sport?”

    The rant was well written, but it has all been said before.

    People are just dumbfounded by the stupidity they see around them all the time, is all. But, this is a stupidity born of unearned prosperity.

    Luckily, I think we are beyond that stage in our national experience. When those girls are scraping along without much money or economic future, they will probably feel more like cheering for America than Ghana. Cool.

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  125. Pupu could not tell left from right, or right from wrong on this issue.

    Independence Day fireworks are always wonderful. Last night, while watching fireworks falling into the Tidal Basin, pupu thought America is really a wonderful country.

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  126. You rarely ever write anything that doesn’t have me nodding in agreement. Of course this might be because I’m an average (at best) type of guy who can’t understand why 5’s and 6’s don’t want to fuck me. Hell, sometimes it would be nice if a 3 or 4 showed interest. Yes, I’m that desperate.

    Again, you have done a great job of illustrating why all us beta, average looking dudes are all so pissed off. It’s not because the 9’s, 8’s, or 7’s won’t give it up to us, but it’s this insanity that is going on with the 5’s and 6’s that is driving us bonkers.

    Alpha black, and hispanic guys are taking all the women that would have been previously avaliable to a guy like myself in earlier generations. Also white alphas will occasionaly give them a 15 minute thrill ride which doesn’t help the situation either. And of course we can’t forget the beta provider role has gone the way of the Dodo.

    Living in a country where average looking women act like they have golden pussies is taking it’s toll on us beta boy’s, and I wonder if things will ever change.

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  127. on July 6, 2010 at 12:03 am NYCbachelor

    “Pupu could not tell left from right, or right from wrong on this issue.

    Independence Day fireworks are always wonderful. Last night, while watching fireworks falling into the Tidal Basin, pupu thought America is really a wonderful country.”

    How patheticially vapid and womanly of you.

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  128. Ludwig

    T.R. Fehrenbach is an author that is taken very seriously where I live in Texas. Even Bob Dylan has gone on record as being a devotee of his insights and wisdom.
    Fehrenbachs main point is that some groups cannot live together in peace. Just can’t.
    Diversity + proximity = war. In some cases.
    Commanche raiding? Apache beastiality? The only real answer was reverse biology.

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  129. NYCbachelor,

    “How patheticially vapid and womanly of you.”

    It is meant to be that way. Thank you for the compliment 🙂

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  130. Juel,

    When all this comes apart. I’m going to launch a coup in my neighborhood and rename it Barter Town. We’ll erect a caged arena, and since there won’t be any TV we’ll watch people like you fight each other to the death for a few scraps of bread. It will be glorious chaos.

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  131. on July 6, 2010 at 12:15 am Anonymouses Anonymous

    Do not count the USA out, yet. During the Carter admenstration, we also thought America was a doomed country.

    By 1980, four years of Carter had nearly destroyed us as a unified country. Inflation was double digit. Interest rates were at 20%. Gas was scarce to the point that we could only by gas on certain days.

    And starting on November 4, 1979, Iran took 66 Americans hostage. All Jimmy Carter did was try one whacked out Delta Force rescue…to failure.

    Then, on February 22, 1980, 20 men re-inspired America. The Miracle on Ice.

    Having just enough time to revel in shoveling shit in the face of the USSR, we were once again beta-ed by a president who could go down in history as the second worst of all time…when he announced we would not go to the summer Olympics.

    But, when all hope was gone, the Alpha of Alphas kicked James’ ass from Maine to Florida to Washington to California.

    Immediately, Iran backed down. Oil flowed more freely once again. Inflation nearly disappeared for almost three decades. Interest rates dropped by half.

    People believed in and loved being America, once again.

    Why the F did we not learn a more permanent experience?

    Why are we now REPEATING the Carter fiasco?

    My God, I pray we also repeat and get an otherwise unknown alpha back in the White House.

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  132. @Ludwig
    Evolution, germ theory, and the origin of oil? Yeah, that’s a real nice apples/apples comparison to the question of who lived in N. America before whom, ace. I mean, why not throw in the heliocentric solar system while you’re at it?

    The thing is, there’s no good evidence for any population of “white” people in the Americas before the Vikings.

    None.

    And, anyway, there’s no reason to worry about it: The mere presence of people here before Americans is irrelevant. Americans took it over. Period.

    Are the Celts, Welsh, Manx and Cornish (oops) pushing to get the English to move back to Denmark?

    So you don’t need to hold up tiny pieces of evidence in the vain hope that you can unseat the “Indians are More Deserving because They Were Here First” hypothesis. Thaty’s just a wast of time and makes you look retarded, anyway, like some kind of “Aids Was Made By White People” black-conspiracy theory.

    And on the Americas, I don’t go for the standard story. I read a lot of archaeology, and there’s a *lot* of disagreement, but it’s not what racial-theorists want to hear, either.

    There were at least 3 distinct and unrelated waves of “Indians” colonizing North America. And they moved around and forged ethnic groups in a hugely complicated pattern.

    Kennewick Man wasn’t conclusive evidence of anything. We know Vikings got here 500 years before Columbus; the Inuit made their way across around AD 800; (and met resistance to pushing further south by meeting Indians, with whom they had nearly permanent hostilities); the Thule people did the same 1000 years before;

    In the Amazon, evidence of “pygmies” as palaeolithic hunter-gatherers is strong, including cave art similar to that in Australiasia; then there’s Monte Verde in South America, the (potentially) oldest evidence for human habitation in the Americas; and ancient legends of giants and short people who disappeared, etc., among some people (the legends of giants might be the memories of the short people meeting the tall people, and then reacquired and passed on to the surviving population, regardless of the nature of the survivors)– there’s all kind of speculation, and conflicting evidence, but ultimately:

    The Dacians are gone. So are the Boii and the Burgundians. Atilla had all 80,000 slaughtered.

    We call the country England: Angla-land. We speak English.

    China’s doing them same thing in Tibet.

    It’s the way of things.

    The colonization of the Americas was complicated, no matter what your ideological motivation for arguing about it is.

    The best thing is to avoid the ideology: who cares who was here first? Irrelevant.

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  133. yeah, we need another president who will sell arms to iran in exchange for hostages.

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  134. Of course, AHE’s idiotic remark is right, we need the current president that sits idly by while the Iranians prepare nuclear weapons.

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  135. this president that president this party that party with very few black swan exceptions does it ever make a hill beans difference

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  136. everyone always thinks they live in interesting times whether they do or not

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  137. haha, that’s why someone out there gave the blessing, “may you live in boring times.” When I was young (!), we were at the end of history. That lasted for what, a year? All of the sudden, we were wondering who would bomb the WTC. Must have been a fluke…

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  138. @Thursday
    Are the Celts, Welsh, Manx and Cornish (oops) pushing to get the English to move back to Denmark?

    The overwhelming majority of English genes come from the original Britons, not the Angles, Saxons, Jutes etc.

    Yes, … but the Goidelic languages are kinda on the outs. Welsh, too. It’s still called Britain, of course. The English maintained that out of some sort of affection for the celtic cultures they absorbed, raped or exterminated.

    I don’t see too many people lamenting the loss.

    Americans aren’t going anywhere. There’s no fear of Indians rising up to reclaim their continent – I seem to recall that they represent something like 1% of the population.

    If they can manage to still exist in 500 years, that would be an achievement itself. More power to them, if they do.

    But the questions of history should be left to archaeologists, and racial theorists, mythical history addicts and political axe-grinders should just butt out. All of them.

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  139. Quality meditation on the intersection of game and politics.

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  140. on July 5, 2010 at 11:28 pm Moneywrench

    You pretty much nailed it. America has been the best empire of good and freedom for the individual the world has ever known – and not exclusive for whites either. Unfortunately, without an obvious enemy and knowledge of history, today’s youth bought into the socialist’s agenda hook line and sinker.

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  141. AnonAnon, While Carter and Mondale’s defeats were good, the sad thing is that we are still living under the shadow of FDR. Hell, CH and Coulter rightly point out the damage from the idiocy that was Sen. Ted Kennedy. Bad presidents take time to get over. Of course, FDR had 4 terms.

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  142. “even as I laugh at soccer for being the girly, flop-happy sport it is”

    But not quite as girly as American football. I mean, what’s with all the padding and helmets? Bunch of wet girl’s blouses…for fuck’s sake, get that shit off and play like men.

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  143. on July 6, 2010 at 3:50 am Original JB

    “But not quite as girly as American football. I mean, what’s with all the padding and helmets?”

    I know you’re probably just trolling, but for the benefit of any foreigners deluded enough to believe that rugby is somehow tougher than US football, I offer the following video evidence.

    Biggest, fastest, strongest, toughest men playing any sport anywhere.

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  144. Obviously, women like Laura shouldn’t vote. If I was French, for example, I wouldn’t be able to root for the French team – it’s not really French, is it? I think that the national team competitions are huge jokes nowadays since non-Germans can play on the German national team and so on. National level sports had a different purpose. So the world cup to me is just like watching a movie, but being uncertain of seeing anything interesting. The competing spirit of sports simply isn’t there for me anymore.

    And it’s normal to not feel American patriotism since it became a huge joke, considering it’s not about a specific people. Polymath, what’s up? 😛

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  145. @Adrian….why do you have to be such a bore?

    Say something funny or witty. Oh, right, you thought you did.

    So real men take off the pads and kick a ball around while working on their drama skills? Or were you actually comparing Rugby to American football?

    Rugby is a good sport, one of my favorites, but is there really any reason to be 10 years old again? If you like one you should like the other, or at least, appreciate each game in its own right. Your insecurity is showing. Why do you have to be like that? Why do Brits lack self confidence when it comes to Rugby/Am Football?

    And of top of it, for a sport that doesn’t allow pads, it sure seems like I see a lot of padding. So to say no padding is silly.

    Besides, the discussion was about the beautiful girly man’s game …soccer. Not my game but those Germans have been great fun to watch. And that wasn’t a cheap shot at England. Stay focused Adrian.

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  146. Don’t let a guy like Adrian’s pipsqueak comment turn you off from Rugby…it’s a great game and American football fans understand it instinctively without knowing a rule.

    We have a local team (in Asia) and they are a bunch good guys and we get to see a decent level of Rugby live.

    Below is a good answer to someone’s question about pads and tacking. The guy obviously loves both games and is fair:
    Questions like this are difficult to answer, because they usually indicate that the asker is basically unfamiliar with one of the sports involved in the comparison. First of all rugby players do wear pads — just not the rigid plastic sort that gridiron players use. The rule in rugby is that the material must be soft, and no more than 1 cm uncompressed. You can find all sorts of thigh, shoulder, kidney and chest protectors available for rugby players within that rule. A lot of us (particularly the forwards) wear shin pads as well.

    First of all there are very few substitutions allowed in rugby — you dress 23 with 15 starters all substitutions are generally permanent. This means that at least 7 of starting players must be on the pitch for the entire 80 minutes. There are a lot fewer breaks in play as well. Believe me, after 75 minutes of running up and down the pitch and when you are into your seventh or eight mile, you are going to notice the extra weight from those rigid pads, and they are going to be interfering with your ability to run as well. You are also going to be having a lot of difficulty losing heat — particularly if you are wearing an American style helmet. Heat stroke would be a real risk.

    It is also important to realize that the nature and purpose of tackling (and more importantly rucking) in rugby is fundamentally different than in gridiron. In gridiron you want to stop the runner cold — to not give up a single inch more than necessary — because of the downs for distance system and the uncontested breakdown. A few inches can mean the difference between keeping or losing the ball So you hit the runner as hard as possible in order to kill his momentum. The position you end up in after the hit doesn’t really matter, because once the runner is down, the ball is dead.

    Not so in rugby. After the tackle the ball is still live — a player off his feet must release the ball and make it available for some other player. As a result, the purpose of the tackle in that rugby is not so much to stop the runner (albeit that is generally a good thing) but to place the tackler in a position where he can remain on his feet and poach the ball. If you can flip the runner so that the ball is on the wrong side of his body, for the ruck so much the better. Similarly, the purpose of the ruck is to make the ball available to a teammate. Either way, you don’t (in most circumstances) want to commit to the all-out charge or hit because it means that you can’t stay on your feet and compete for the ball.

    The laws are different too — in rugby you can’t lead with your head, leave your feet, or shoulder charge. You must make some attempt to “wrap” up the runner with your arms when making the tackle. Again, it makes the rigid padding less necessary.

    One should also consider that the padding and especially the helmets may actually add to the danger as players (with a false sense of security) will tend to hit recklessly. Rugby certainly doesn’t contend with the degree of deaths, crippling injuries and concussions (and early onset dementia that follows) that gridiron players experience.

    Edit: as Pearce B. pointed out below, the flexibility factor is also important, which I hadn’t considered. The rigid padding would definitely interfere with getting into the proper body position to ruck or poach the ball after the breakdown.

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  147. @Gorbacev: Angles (Latin: Anglii) probably came from what is now called Angeln, an area of extreme northern Germany just over the southeastern border of Denmark. This is based on the writings of the Venerable Bede and some dude named Æthelweard.

    What’s weird about naming England after the Angles is that it was the freaking SAXONS who took everything over. But maybe calling them Saxons was too confusing to the Normans who eventually overran THEM.

    Anyway, the Anglo-Saxons who took over Britain didn’t really conquer it. They sort of won it by default. They were, after all, fœderati, which you might think of the Roman Empire’s equivalent of firms like Blackwater. When Rome could no longer pay the bill for their services, they decided they’d just foreclose on Britain.

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  148. I forgot to include the reason I posted that:

    The point is that the Anglo-Saxon takeover of Britain is in no way similar to the American takeover of America. Really, they were all subjects of the Roman Empire, which generally preferred to get the locals on their side and slaughtered them only when they got out of line.

    Americans, on the other hand, preferred to murder the current inhabitants and gank their stuff. And you are just wondering NOW why our society is so fucked up? America has ALWAYS been fucked up. We are simply running out of ways to hide how fucked up we are.

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  149. on July 6, 2010 at 2:32 am nick johnson

    Truly epic post
    Sounds like a WN is emerging and its great to understand the cultural and social effects that are destroying our country.

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  150. cpk, what the Americans did about the Indians happened since humans began existing. The problem was that you were foolish and made them citizens – that’s something insane that never happened before. A group of people made it’s slaves equal citizens and part of the same nation.

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  151. @CPK:

    “Anyway, the Anglo-Saxons who took over Britain didn’t really conquer it. They sort of won it by default. They were, after all, fœderati, which you might think of the Roman Empire’s equivalent of firms like Blackwater. When Rome could no longer pay the bill for their services, they decided they’d just foreclose on Britain.”

    These groups were not Foederati as they lived well outside of the empire’s boundaries in places like Denmark, Northern Germany, the Baltic coast, Norway, Sweden, and Friesland. Foederati were also nothing like Blackwater, but simply tribal groups paid to fight for Rome versus plundering Roman territory.

    Rome evacuated Britain in 408 AD as I recall as they lacked the manpower and resources to defend it. Britain was always more expensive to keep than to take, so it made sense from an economic standpoint to leave and the legions were needed to stop the Germanic tribes that had crossed the Rhine in the winter of 408.

    The Angles, Saxons, Jutes, et al moved in behind the Romans, usually many decades later, after Roman civilization had already collapsed and Celtic warlords replaced them.

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  152. A little off topic, but has anyone else seen this:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1292329/Cristiano-Ronaldo-paid-American-woman-baby-son.html

    Portuguese soccer megastar and no doubt alpha++ alphamale, Cristiano Ronaldo, whilst having no shortage of extraordinarily fit women to sleep with, pays a surrogate mother to have his son.

    Is this the future?

    Is that mega-alpha behaviour – I think it is isn’t it?

    Cut out the middle (wo)man.

    No Tiger Woods type crap for Cristiano Ronaldo.

    He’s the man – he’s in control.

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  153. Rebellious, yeah, it all just happened overnight. White folks just woke up one morning and decided to end slavery.

    LOL!

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  154. Nicole, last time I checked, there wasn’t a side of slaves against the other one of free people. Neither women nor nonwhites gained their vote by winning a war. So yes, white people made outsiders citizens in their own countries and not only that, but gave them the same nationality.

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  155. White people did end slavery. It’s that simple.

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  156. @CPK:

    the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes, were never incorporated into the empire and were never citizens or even federated tribes. They had little first hand contact with Rome as a matter of fact. Most invaded after the Western Empire had already collapsed and had been collapsed for about a hundred years. When they came to Britain and saw Roman ruins, they thought that giants had made them. None of the locals could tell them where they came from anymore. Families were using the Baths in Bath England to live in. There was simply no one left who knew how to run them or even keep water in them. Their take over of Britain was indeed similar to Europe’s takeover of the Americas, except they assimilated more than dominated the Celtic Britons.

    I for one see little wrong with our treatment of the Indians. They would have had few qualms about doing the same to us if the situation had been reversed. They were simply technologically incapable of it, not morally incapable. Most spent their lives raiding and stealing from one another and operating in a matriarchal culture to boot, so they never advanced.

    Indians would bash babies heads against trees to kill them for instance. Even if they didn’t invent scalping, as is often asserted, they took to it like ducks to water. A favorite Apache torture was to slowly roast someone’s head over a fire so they could laugh at the contortions the dying man made. Torturing captives to death over several days was Saturday night entertainment for them and a virtual certainty if you were ever captured by them. So much for the noble savage myth so popular today. There is a long list of such tortures if you bother to read up on them. It was not for no reason that men who had to face the Indians always counseled to keep the last bullet for oneself.

    The Indians were a neolithic culture facing down a technologically far more advanced and far more numerous adversary. They were stone age savages, plain and simple. We romanticize them today, but their contemporaries saw them more objectively. Quit reading Howard Zinn and find some historians who know what they’re talking about and don’t leave out all the important facts that refute their wishful thinking.

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  157. @Tyrone

    The term fœderati is ambiguous.

    Rome itself never federated the Angles and Saxons, but the local Roman bureaucracy of Britain DID, in the 5th century, with the permission of the Emperor. This is because Rome no longer had the resources to police Britain. The Picts were a real pain in the ass, so Britannic officials engaged Angles and Saxons and a tribe from what is now Jutland (Jutes) to give them a hand. The Roman Emperor (Constantine III) thought this was a great idea and agreed to help pay for it if he could withdraw his army.

    It worked out for about 50 years, but then Rome really went into the shitter and couldn’t afford to help Britain pay the mercenaries (which the locals called fœderati, which leads to further misunderstanding of what the fœderati were.)

    Anglo-Saxons didn’t invade Britain, they were invited. When they couldn’t be paid, they took over. When they took over, they invited all their cousins to come over.

    An analogy in the Americas would be if the Cherokees were *really* having problems with, say, the Apaches and the Apaches were becoming an existential threat. The Cherokees offer to pay individual American families who are willing to help them fight off the Apaches. Eventually there are more American warriors than Cherokee warriors. Right about that time the weather goes weird and the Cherokee economy collapses and the Cherokees can no longer pay the Americans. The Americans say, OK, fine, we’re going to take over now. They then invite all their cousins from New York to come over and live with them.

    The Cherokees find themselves mildly second class, but they successfully intermarry with the Americans, and in 100 years’ time no one can tell the difference between the two ethnic groups anyway.

    That is how American history would’ve gone if Americans were like Romans or even Romanized Germans. But, no, Americans are an extra special breed of murderous thugs.

    By the way, the French (Normans) didn’t wipe out the Anglo-Saxons when they had a chance to–they just wanted control and containment. And you should be glad for it. Of course, the French approach to America was IDENTICAL. Which is why they didn’t care to hold onto it when they had bills to pay. Thomas Jefferson was glad to buy their piece from them–he had other plans for the people in the way of American expansion.

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  158. I don’t remember how this thread started on the Native Americans and all, but some points:

    1. North America was inhabited by a very diverse group of people when Columbus found the new world.

    2. They fought all the time with each other. Long before Columbus there are well recorded large scale periods of cannibalism.

    3. Every attempt to establish a foothold was met with violence by the natives, the one exception I know about being the Pilgrims, and they had to fight for their existence 50 years later in King Phillips War. (1/4th of white males in New England were killed.) Boston was barricaded. After the genocidal Indians (There were plenty who didn’t partake of this war.) were defeated, they retreated farther West, only to be murdered by the Indians in Western Massachusetts. They returned and surrendered to the whites, who were more lenient than their Indian brothers. The whites only punished the leaders.

    4. In most of the wars fought by whites against Indians, the whites had Indian allies. The Indians, except for the French and Indian wars, never had white allies if they fought against whites. Were the Indians stupid dupes, or were they working in their own self interest?

    5. For reasons that defy all rationality, our PC culture thinks that Europeans should, alone of all peoples, including the Indians, respect the territorial boundaries between tribes that happened to exist at the time of the European immigration.

    6. The Indians have tried in every way to prevent archeologists from properly tracing the history of “Native Americans.” No tribe in existence at the time of Columbus was the first group of people to occupy the area they lived in. Inconvenient fact for today’s PC crowd.

    As an example of Indian culture, on the Lewis and Clark expedition, after they had turned brown from the sun, the Indians they met would run away, thinking they were other Indians. The Europeans learned to lift up their arms and show them their pale inner arms, to reassure them that they were white, and therefore not hostile. This worked every time.

    Silly, PC Americans. Did you know that Sacagawea, of Lewis and Clark fame, was captured by other Indians as a child and enslaved by Indians, and sold to a Frenchman?

    Americans live in a toxic atmosphere of lies. Mostly by their own choosing.

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  159. “The overwhelming majority of English genes come from the original Britons, not the Angles, Saxons, Jutes etc.”

    Not entirely true. The Germanic component is very much evident not least in peoples’ appearance along the east coast, especially in places like Norfolk, and also the partial similarities between us and the Dutch/Germans/Danes. Also, people in the Lake District have been found to be largely of Viking stock. Granted, I imagine the Britons who didn’t get driven back to Wales/Scotland.etc and general early Iron Age sorts were probably assimilated (supposedly enslaved). So the English, Scots and Welsh don’t look categorically that different from eachother, but if you spend time in said countries you will notice nuances, which are more pronounced with some individuals than others. The English are most simply described as Celto-Germanic. Obviously, Scots are largely Celts, but a minor Norse component thanks to Norwegian invasions is evident in the appearances of some Scots, especially in the Orkneys.

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  160. I think Robert Frost summed it up pretty good when he stated that “a liberal is a man so mentally broadminded he can’t take his own side in a quarrel”

    Michael Savage has stated that liberism is a mental disease. It’s self loathing in extreme cases.

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  161. No. It’s the selfish man who resorts to hedonism. Because when his country and his race need leadership, he runs off to bed for a moment’s pleasure.

    More guilty than the mexicans, or the blacks, who have no intelligence, are men like you-who see the problem clearly, who nonchalantly reply, “let someone else handle it.”

    Whites with such self interest and indifference are MORE dangerous to our country than Al Queda, immigration, or feminism. I suppose you think that you can straddle the fence here, and that you’ll be allowed to take the rewards but none of the losses.

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  162. You know the average Estonian girl was cheering for the USA vs Ghana compared to the average east-coast American girl.

    I can honestly say that I can be a more patriotic American male overseas – and be loved by women for that – than I could in Boston, NY, DC, Seattle, Miami or San Francisco.

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  163. Hedonism and Stoicism, the philosophies of an empire in decline.

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  164. On a separate but related issue, it looks like this is the future of fatherhood

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1292397/Cristiano-Ronaldos-showdown-Irina-Shayk-paying-woman-son.html

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  165. sdaedalus,
    Interesting story. I’m happy for Cristiano.

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  166. That underwear model Christiano Ronaldo is dating is someone I would rate a 3. I’d sooner date an overweight 4.

    She is a skeleton. Can you picture her 20 years from now?

    Skin and bones appearance is where an objective rating system breaks down.

    Related to that, New Scientist just came out with another interesting study of what men find attractive:

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19118-why-men-are-attracted-to-women-with-small-feet.html

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  167. Beta male in Iran turns his wife in for adultery and she is convicted and sentenced to be stoned to death:

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/07/05/iran.stoning/

    Amnesty International may flub the drive to save her, however, because, as usual, they are going after the Iranian government to halt all death sentences and not this apparently absurd one.

    They care more about liberal ideology than about this particular woman’s life.

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  168. How does the narrower hips=prettier face thing correspond with the waist-hip ratio thing? Is it to compensate?

    Small feet in women were a big selling point in the past but fell out of fashion in the 20th century as other body parts became more distracting.

    Imo Laura the same considerations apply to single men having kids as apply to single women, if it’s okay for Lori Gottlieb then it should be okay for Ronaldo & vice versa, if it’s not okay for Lori then it doesn’t become right when Ronaldo does it, I don’t see any distinction between paternal & maternal lust in this regard.

    Personally I think it’s preferable for kids to have two parents in a stable relationship. I can understand to some extent where Ronaldo is coming from (child support can be nearly as bad as alimony, not to mention the custody issue), but it may be very difficult for that child in the future to adjust to how it was conceived (as may be the case with Lori’s kid) you have to think of the child as well as yourself.

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  169. gig´s iron rule of homossexuality:

    If there is any suspicion a guy is a fag, he is a fag.

    second rule:

    There reality of suspicious rumour = confirmed fagness does not exclude the fact that lots of guys who are NOT suspected of being fags are fags nonetheless

    Having said that, the fact that Cristiano Ronaldo chose the Ricky Martin way of fatherhood pretty much settles any debate wrt him

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  170. Small feet in women were a big selling point in the past but fell out of fashion in the 20th century as other body parts became more distracting

    Playboy magazine and lots of men beg to differ

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  171. @CPK:

    That is how American history would’ve gone if Americans were like Romans or even Romanized Germans. But, no, Americans are an extra special breed of murderous thugs.

    Aside from your sketchy knowledge of history, you can also kiss my American ass and rim me then suck my dick you lefty piece of shit.

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  172. But, no, Americans are an extra special breed of murderous thugs.

    Only racist and murderous Americans would be able to ignore the greatest – an possibly single – contribution the red indians gave to the US.

    the best, coolest names of places in all the Western Hemisphere.

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  173. sdaedalus,
    You’re right, if it’s okay for women to do it, then it should be okay for men also. For Cristiano it is certainly much less expensive to have a child be in his full custody rather than making huge child support payments to someone. Even more importantly, he can raise the child how he wants to and be with him full time. I guess he doesn’t want to be married.
    For someone like me, however, I do think there are many advantages to raising a child in a stable relationship.

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  174. By the way, since we’re talking about July 4, let’s take a quick look at a paragraph from that great document whose birthday we’re celebrating.

    “He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.”

    Let me translate that for you:

    “Waaaaah, King George won’t let us murder the Indians and jack their stuff. And they won’t let us invite all our cousins and family friends and hired mercenaries over from the Continent to help us do it!”

    If you wonder why alpha bad boys get all the pussy in this country, it’s because it started out that way. Of course, the Founders knew that they couldn’t build a nation against alpha bad boy motherfuckers like Thomas Jefferson, so they built a veneer of respectability around it so that the men you refer to as “betas” would get behind them. In the meantime the men you call “alphas” grabbed up all the best things for themselves.

    What did feminism do? Feminism did absolutely nothing but strip the veneer of respectability bare. The alpha rapaciousness of the American “ideal” no longer has nowhere to hide, and now it’s eating away at the entire fucking planet.

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  175. Tyrone,
    Your post on what Apaches did to white settlers made me sick to my stomach. It actually makes me glad we killed them.

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  176. Also, civilizations that believed in mutilating the genitals of dead enemies tended to be defeated at all costs.

    Its a guy thing I guess. We just won’t stand for that.

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  177. Yes, I agree. Although some people end up single parents through no fault of their own, and make a great job of it, I think it’s tempting fate to take it on deliberately, what if something happens to you? I feel so sorry for Michael Jackson’s kids, for instance.

    Also, I think most children need to have contact with a parent of the opposite gender if at all possible. Funnily enough, because of the death rates in childbirth, men rearing children alone were not uncommon in the past, though many men remarried quickly in such cases, this of course caused problems with step-parents.

    However at least these children had had a proper parent to begin with, a surrogate mother or in the case of Lori Gottlieb’s child, a sperm daddy is not really the same thing, certainly I would find it very difficult myself to come to terms with having been conceived in this way.

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  178. re:indians.

    its never a mistake to wipe out your enemies to the last woman and child, the mistake is leaving even one alive to carry the grudge and the tale forward in history

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  179. How do you end up a single parent without a fault of your own? You keep your thighs shut and you don’t get pregnant. Child support shouldn’t even exist for out of wedlock children and the divorce laws should be fixed.

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  180. @Rebelliousvanilla
    How do you end up a single parent without a fault of your own? You keep your thighs shut and you don’t get pregnant. Child support shouldn’t even exist for out of wedlock children and the divorce laws should be fixed.

    Ever hear of widowhood or widowerhood? It does happen, you know, I mentioned widowerhood specifically above. Widows and widowers are effectively single parents.

    Also, one’s spouse leaving (fault is not always involved here on the part of the spouse being left).

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  181. Not relevant but can’t resist posting this link….

    http://tuckermaxlies.blogspot.com/

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  182. on July 6, 2010 at 8:52 am gunslingergregi

    ””’MAN 2: That’s anti-American!

    WOMAN 2: Well, whatever, you can call it what you like. We don’t have to win everything, you know.

    Tempers flared, then subsided as the men worked diligently to keep the pretense of a seduction going. The conversation fizzled to a snippy end and the men left for another bar. The women giggled as they recounted the awkwardness of the interaction, placing the blame for the failed seduction entirely on the men, as is the wont of the unaccountable and unreflective gender.

    ””””’

    Thing is though if the guy sees her again she will probably have still been thinking about him the anti american comment seared into her vag as this guy really not giving a fuck. Might get that ass on a second sighting.

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  183. i like to use a thesaurus too.

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  184. and yes. soccer sucks.

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  185. To al’Thor + Schmoe

    Not only a bit girly but clearly a bit sensitive as well.

    Once played touch-rugby against some yank marine boot necks ..what a bunch of pansies..without their protection they gave up..fucking woosies

    Well done Original JB for not rising to the bait.

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  186. This video shows how American men can be fooled into giving the Republican Party to a feminist if they think with their little heads:

    http://gawker.com/5579842/this-man-is-inappropriately-excited-to-meet-sarah-palin?skyline=true&s=i

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  187. Wow. The New York Beta Times just wrote a big article slamming the “How about drinks at 7” approach:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/fashion/04date.html?_r=1&ref=style&pagewanted=all

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  188. sdaedalus,
    I’m not really sure how I’d feel about being conceived by a sperm donor. I guess in general, though, having a father, no matter how less than ideal in my mother’s eyes, would be preferable. For some reason this reminds of that touching scene in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn where Francie’s alcoholic, n’er do well father made sure she had flowers at her graduation even though the family was destitute. No sperm donor is ever going to do that for you.

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  189. This is really sad. She can’t even trace the donor. Imagine how difficult it must be for her.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1289042/Caroline-fathered-sperm-donor–does-bitterly-resent-stranger-gave-life.html

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  190. @somebody
    “You’d be hard pressed to name me a plot of land occupied by a discrete ethnic group today that has been controlled by that EXACT SAME ethnic group since the dawn of man.”

    Not since the dawn of man, but Iceland was settled by Norsemen, once, and was previously unpopulated. You may find other examples, the common factor will be inaccessibility and/Or low desireability.

    @Thursday
    “The overwhelming majority of English genes come from the original Britons, not the Angles, Saxons, Jutes etc”

    Evidence? Even if true, the Celts “stole” the land
    from the Picts. Etc.

    @AHE
    “everyone always thinks they live in interesting times whether they do or not”

    It IS the most interesting times, to the people living at the time!

    @Tyrone
    “So much for the noble savage myth so popular today. ”

    Oh, yes. Good old Rousseau, he figured out everything about noble savages safe in his home in Paris. He was wrong about just about everything.

    Thor

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  191. 1. That Palin video is hilarious. At first I thought it was staged and he is gay (hand movements) but he also does the furrowed brow in the air, I can’t believe I’m getting a woody right now look.

    2. The NYT column is also funny. I wish it would point out the negative selection involved in online dating, but then it would lose much of its readership.

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  192. Grampa, good points. Americans don’t owe the Indians anything.

    Hi, RV, most of the Indians who survived did become citizens and eventually blended in, the ones who are still around now were the dysfunctional ones (at least until they learned how to run casinos). The ex-slaves also had mixed fortunes, but the ones who preferred not to go to Liberia were, like it or not, part of American society. It’s true that American society as a result was not as ethnically pure, but lots of Euro countries had their 10% minorities too. The core American culture remained the culture of the white colonists, and the minorities (Hispanic, Black, and Native) succeeded and continue to succeed exactly as far as they embrace and assimilate to this core culture, and fail to the extent they keep themselves apart from it. That seems a healthy state of affairs to me, and as I said to you elsewhere, the attempts of an educated elite to trash this culture, while deplorable, have not had a deep impact on the enduring American core.

    I can’t get excited about soccer, but people don’t have to look like me for me to root for them, if we share other important things. I can live around people who don’t look like me if they conform to my culture; if they were willing to uproot themselves because they think my culture and society is better than theirs and want to become part of it, I will respect them for that (I still might choose not to have given them a visa, but I’d respect them personally).

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  193. Here’s the thing: The government-media-higher ed cabal lies about everything ELSE with political implications, and we’d be fools to accept the Party Line on this

    This is a good point. My standard heuristic is that everything the politicians say is pure falsehood and/or distortion. Yes, this heuristic sometimes leads me to make bad calls (even a broken clock is right 2 times, same with lying bastards in suits) but overall it works out great.

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  194. @Adrian…

    Wow…your come back is “your thsensitve too!” ouch! My god…British wit at its best….please stop…….I’m thinking you are an Essex chav….but on second thought…they would be a bit more witty than you…so that can’t be….I’m stumped….who could you be?

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  195. on July 6, 2010 at 11:33 am White Woman

    Laura, why oh why must you post here? Everything you say is ridiculous. Thank God not all women are like you.

    WE didn’t not kill the Apache Indians. WE were not alive yet.

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  196. on July 6, 2010 at 11:48 am White Woman

    Thanks for telling the truth Grandpa.

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  197. I,m from the UK and our football team are meant to be profesionals.
    But after there dismal start and there pitiful end to the world cup,
    I dont think there would have been to many Brits using it as a chat up line.

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  198. I didn’t mean the people who are alive today obviously, I meant some of our ancestors. If the Apaches were this cruel and savage I don’t blame the white settlers for hating them. I was just trying to put myself in the settlers shoes, they were probably terrified of the more warlike Indians. Also, I am aware that many of the Indian tribes were peaceful so I am not talking about those tribes.

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  199. There is some sort of general fright to be brought up outside the norm, i would trade in any IVF or failed upbringing instead of never been alive, i rather choose life, if IVF clinic was where i turned into a human being, i would be grateful for it, the odds are against me to be born at all on any circumstance, i would take any chance to be breathing.

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  200. Rebellious, America is a bastard country founded mostly by bastards and slaves. The candy coated Puritan stories you’re told by drunk homesick Americans around Thanksgiving and the 4th of July did not exist.

    “Indentured servants” were slaves, and near the beginning of North American invasion, most of those were White. Gradually, more White misfits started to fill up the place, and of course this led to more conflict with Native Americans, who were seldom slaves except when acquired through conflict or already slaves of other Native Americans.

    There was also quite a bit of mixing between European and Native Americans. If you want to separate the two today, there will maybe be a few thousand truly European people left who aren’t 20th century immigrants.

    Thor, I know that slavery wouldn’t have ended without White people. Rebellious just seems to be confused about why White people decided to end it. It became economically unfeasable and culturally unsustainable. If they hadn’t, they’d have had a situation similar to the Palestinian problem…a large number of enemies living in the country.

    Slavery was a status that was shared by people of many colors, Whites among them. It’s kind of sad that so many have forgotten that.

    So, Rebellious, had the slaves not been freed, then as many as there are “trailer trash” in the U.S. today, there would likely be White slaves who could infiltrate and destroy the U.S.

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  201. @Adrian… So you are saying, as a Brit, you played touch Rugby with American Marines and they gave up? Which, by the way, is a very plausible story. Or was it that as Brit (or should I say an English man..I don’t think the Scots would be that wimpy) you got a little excited about the whole “touch” thing and took it a bit too far? And the American lads politely excused themselves?

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  202. About the only thing that would have been good about keeping slavery is that White women wouldn’t be able to be as arrogant.

    If you behaved badly or didn’t put out, there would still be a rainbow of slave women who could take care of your man’s needs, whether he liked white or dark meat.

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  203. All meat is pink anyways. It’s just the difference between vanilla, toffee and chocolate wrappings.

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  204. on July 6, 2010 at 12:14 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””Nicole
    About the only thing that would have been good about keeping slavery is that White women wouldn’t be able to be as arrogant.

    If you behaved badly or didn’t put out, there would still be a rainbow of slave women who could take care of your man’s needs, whether he liked white or dark meat.
    ””””””””
    There is a rainbow of dark woman ready to take care of the white mans needs. White men just don’t want them. Of course back in slavery times white men probably did fuck them all day long but now that they are free white men don’t go for them. It makes sense.

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  205. that IVF woman, that is in pain about how she was concieved, would never been alive today if it wasnt for those odd circmumstances. Would she really not want to be born at all? I am confused for what people sometimes can wish for.

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  206. on July 6, 2010 at 12:21 pm gunslingergregi

    And oh yea the people and soldiers are working more hours in: iraq, afganistan, and every other hellhole station, than the slaves had to during slavery days and nobody is fucking talking about how horrible that is. It figures that a black president wouldn’t even have the compassion to bring that up he he he
    Where is tha patriatism on that one.

    Slaves working till 2pm lol

    Working on the capital building and only working 6 days 12 hours a day. wtf

    and now in out new system people can be worked to death. he he he

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  207. And oh yea the people and soldiers are working more hours in: iraq, afganistan, and every other hellhole station, than the slaves had to during slavery days and nobody is fucking talking about how horrible that is. It figures that a black president wouldn’t even have the compassion to bring that up he he he

    if your worldview brings you to a place where you’re actually defending slavery as ‘not all that bad,’ it is probably time to check your premises.

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  208. Enjoyed your post. It displays your usual perspicacity. When I was a very young man, many of us thought the same and we were right. But then something odd happened, Margaret Thatcher, a hitherto undistinguished Tory politician won the 1979 general election in the UK. At the time, we had been watching tv programs about a military coup in the UK – see, for example, “The Guardians”, starring Edward Woodward, before he became “The Equalizer”. Moreover, it was true, Jack Jones controlled the Labour Party and was head of the Transport and General Workers Union and it owned the Labour Party. Jones has since been exposed as an agent of the KGB.

    Then there was a Polish Pope elected. Speaking as a dyed in the wool Protestant, I do not believe that there has ever been a greater spiritual figure since Martin Luther nailed his demands to the wall, indeed possibly since Christ Himself.

    Then a cowboy rode out of the West and became President – Ronald Wilson Reagan.

    I do not think that there have been three greater statesmen collected together since the Founders met in Philadelphia.

    Through courage, moxie and belief in what is good and a rejection of what is evil, they ended the most evil regime the world had ever seen, with a nary a shot being fired.

    There is always hope. So do not give in to despair, but there is no reason not to party.

    However, I agree with you that we should be out of the Middle East and Afghanistan, unless we confine our activities to regime change. We have to stop apologizing for picking winners and losers. Perhaps, we need to fight proxy wars with proxies who are less emotional and apologetic than ourselves.

    But our problems are nothing compared with what they were when Margaret Hilda Thatcher, Pope John Paul II and Ronald Wilson Reagan took on the world and won.

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  209. Gun, that’s because they’ve been brought up to believe that sex is exploitation, and that it’s racist to want to sexually “exploit” Black women.

    See, back in the day, some slave owners got the bright idea to start using sex with slaves as rewards for their employees and favors to others they rubbed shoulders with. Some brilliant guys also pimped out their slaves.

    Less frequently, women would utilize male slaves…sometimes males would utilize male slaves too. My dad’s great great grandfather was owned by a single woman. You get where this is going?

    Slaves = any kind of sex the person with the money/power wants. I think the easy and cheap access to sex with whoever had more to do with the end of slavery and assimilation of former slaves than idealistic desires for equality.

    That’s the unspoken history…so long as there was slavery, there was going to be no way a woman should even bother asking for exclusivity in sex or in resources for that matter. Google “placage” sometime.

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  210. To cpk and all the other blithering dolts acting as if the history of the United States shows it be evil incarnate:

    Pick up a freakin’ history book NOT written by Zinn of Chomsky for Christ’s sake!

    If you had bothered to read world history, you would know the following:

    Almost NO group, ethnic or national, started out where they currently reside. The best evidence shows native americans traveled to America via a land bridge from Asia, so technically, there WERE never any true natives in this hemisphere after the pangea broke up.

    Almost every group was either pushed out or moved in on some other group at some time in their history, MANY AT THE SAME TIME. Many invaders of territory were actually running away from another group putting pressure on them on their home turf.

    Slavery, genocide and being otherwise not nice did start in North America in the 16 and 17 hundreds, you freakin’ twits.

    One of the most brutal Empires in the history of world resided in the Americas pre-european invasion. If you thought the Spanish conquistadors were vicious pricks, try reading up on the Aztecs. There’s a reason why so many natives chose to side with the Spanish. The Aztecs were friggin’ Nazis in leopard loincloths.

    The history of mankind has been one of bloody and brutal interaction, and the civilizations that you so now callously dismiss or condemn were instrumental in bringing some relative peace, justice and order to the violent chaos.

    Was it a perfect peace or justice? Gee, surprisingly not considering that human beings are always involved, but what cheeses me off about the America haters is the idea that this place was somehow a unique Heart of Darkness unparalled in the annals of history:

    “Americans, on the other hand, preferred to murder the current inhabitants and gank their stuff. And you are just wondering NOW why our society is so fucked up? America has ALWAYS been fucked up. We are simply running out of ways to hide how fucked up we are.”

    You, sir or madam, are an ignorant ass, completely devoid of any real comprehension of world history. You’re all sound and fury, knowing NOTHING, but with plenty of bluster to broadcast your ignorance.

    Even assuming your completely neo-marxist reductionist analysis of American history is an accurate sum, please make your case that American history was somehow unique to the world’s in relation to the murdering of natives and the “ganking” of their stuff. Please explain how the Mongols and Visogoths and Vikings and Aztecs were less evil as you see it, less evil and fucked up as Americans were.

    If you can’t, then either STFU, or have the integrity to dial it back several notches and admit you may have overstated your case, to say the least.

    I am so very TIRED of ignorant jackasses like yourself spewing your fictions, thinking you are dispensing wisdom of the ages because you parroted back your professor’s talking points to get that B+ in their class.

    You want to know America is so fucked up at the moment? It is because we have been taught lies and fictions about how the world works, and what happened to get us here, and have NO comprenhension of what it means to lose it. We have all been told pretty little lies about utopia and “social justice” and equality of outcome which wilt like wax in fire when confronted with reality.

    For fucks sake get your head out of your ass!

    “As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
    There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
    That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
    And the burnt Fool’s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

    And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
    When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
    As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
    The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!”

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  211. Once correction:

    “Slavery, genocide and being otherwise not nice did NOT start in North America in the 16 and 17 hundreds, you freakin’ twits.”

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  212. @Thor

    There is no way Icelanders are pure Hallstatt Nordics, there was a big Irish infusion & not just on the maternal side, btw this also illustrates that slavery did not begin in the 16c, it was round long before then.

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  213. Seran, I don’t think anyone is saying that Americans are uniquely fucked up…just that they’re just as fucked up as everyone else, but they had a good thing going, and should therefore remember the former if they want to keep the latter.

    …unless we want to go down like the Aztecs.

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  214. Thank you, Nicole, for schooling young idiots like RebelliousVanilla & Co. I like this blog, but sometimes the complete lack of knowledge of even basic history and sexual/gender politics here is just mind-numbing.

    Carry on now…

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  215. that IVF woman, that is in pain about how she was concieved, would never been alive today if it wasnt for those odd circmumstances. Would she really not want to be born at all? I am confused for what people sometimes can wish for.

    Quite frankly most of the time I wish I had never been born, so I completely see where she is coming from.

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  216. on July 6, 2010 at 12:41 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””””’on July 6, 2010 at 12:25 pm j r
    And oh yea the people and soldiers are working more hours in: iraq, afganistan, and every other hellhole station, than the slaves had to during slavery days and nobody is fucking talking about how horrible that is. It figures that a black president wouldn’t even have the compassion to bring that up he he he

    if your worldview brings you to a place where you’re actually defending slavery as ‘not all that bad,’ it is probably time to check your premises.
    ””””””

    Saying people getting treated worse than slaves right now working more hours no pussy. The slaves got to fuck and have kids. No people crying rivers of tears for them. Just funny that people think we are so progressive compared to the past but it is another pretty lie.

    I mean I always kind of thought I was a slave when I worked the hours I worked but I didn’t know I was working more hours than a slave.

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  217. Seran, why bother. Those Neo-Marxists are the same ones that portrayed Iraq under the house of Baath as a peaceful, kite-flying wonderland. America’s greatest sin is its failure to fail as Marx predicted, leading newer apologists to speculate that we’re rich because we “ganked” everyone else’s stuff. From the third world. So, I guess Apple stole all the ipods they sell from Somalia or something.

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  218. Gun, not all slaves were White House slaves. Some were indeed worked, beaten, and fucked to death.

    At least once you’re done with a long day of work, nobody’s going to give you a whipping for saying no to anal.

    Well, not non consensually anyway. 😉

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  219. @Nicole

    Thanks for pointing out that bit about indentured servitude in America. Most people don’t know the history about the thousands of scots, irish and even english londoners kidnapped by English pirate/merchants that would go on to be the fathers of this country.

    What do you call indentured servitude that lasts longer than your expected life?

    An indentured servant in the Virginia colonies had a <50% chance of survival the first two years.

    But what happened if you survived the seven years and your master didn't add additional years of service? You bought your own indentured servant! Yay.

    If you had the money you'd purchase yourself a female indentured servant from back home. If you were poor you took a native wife.

    At the time about 80% of whites came to the US Americas that way, but not all in such bad conditions as in the Virginia colony.

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  220. SD, now that is a thought i cannot grasp, from any perspective. Sorry you feel this way though.

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  221. “Seran, I don’t think anyone is saying that Americans are uniquely fucked up…”

    Actually, several people here did, cpk chief among them, which is why I posted this.

    I am not directing it at most of the people here, some of whom have some at least defensible criticisms of America or European history.

    My issue is an attitude that somehow America is uniquely unsuited to exist because of some supposedly unique sins, which is NOT borne out by the facts or history.

    CPK’s statement is a prime example of that, so cpk was called on it.

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  222. “Seran, why bother.”

    I bother because lies unchallenged become the official story, which is then treated as the truth.

    Granted, it is tiresome and frustrating work, dealing with ignorance, both incidental and contrived, the latter being the worst.

    However, what is the choice presented to us? Allow the lies to spread and become canon?

    Nope. Can’t do it. Too much rests on it. They know it too, which is the reason for the lies in the first place.

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  223. on July 6, 2010 at 1:01 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””””Nicole
    Gun, not all slaves were White House slaves. Some were indeed worked, beaten, and fucked to death.

    At least once you’re done with a long day of work, nobody’s going to give you a whipping for saying no to anal.

    Well, not non consensually anyway. ;-)””””””

    Well for soldiers it could be a problem saying no to working a 24 hour day they could go to jail or be shot. See no compassion.

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  224. Mr. N, thing is, many were not even under the fancy title of “indentured servant”. They were straight up slaves. A good many were prisoners who were sold by European governments to ship captains, and then resold in the U.S.

    Some under the veneer of indentured servitude were charged by their masters for their passage and for their upkeep. They never finished paying off their “debt” even if they lived a full lifetime. They were slaves.

    Slavery was just a fact of life for many people back then. The only reason American slavery is perceived as Native American and African slavery is because of the numbers, and the interest some people have in making White people look like villains…as if none of them were ever victims of the cruelty of the rich against the poor back then.

    We won’t even get into the de facto slavery that continued long after the Civil War, or the miners and factory workers who lived in squalor…White people getting shit on by rich White people.

    This is one of the reasons I’m more nationalist than ethnocentric. Everybody got a slice of the hell back in the day. Every color of people bled some for the U.S.A.

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  225. wow… just wow.

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  226. on July 6, 2010 at 1:57 pm namae nanka

    “Quite frankly most of the time I wish I had never been born, so I completely see where she is coming from.”

    tsk tsk

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  227. CPK,

    “What did feminism do? Feminism did absolutely nothing but strip the veneer of respectability bare. The alpha rapaciousness of the American “ideal” no longer has nowhere to hide, and now it’s eating away at the entire fucking planet.”

    Insightful, and absolutely brilliant! Keep posting, we need more readers here like you.

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  228. on July 6, 2010 at 2:17 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””’sdaedalus
    Quite frankly most of the time I wish I had never been born, so I completely see where she is coming from.
    ””””””’

    And society can only tsk tsk not offer a compassionate bullet to the head.

    Although was somewhat better:

    ””””’biktopia
    SD, now that is a thought i cannot grasp, from any perspective. Sorry you feel this way though.
    ”””’
    But yea not a solution is it.

    Too bad no abortions allowed in the 120th trimester ala South Park he he he

    Again people feel sorry for other people but not enough to end their pain.

    So really that gives people like us carte blanche to say and do whatever the fuck we want doesn’t it?
    Not so bad after all. My way of dealing with it is to save money till I can at least have the capability to chill until I die of natural or unatural causes.

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  229. gg

    No solution, just have to suffer through it, sometimes things are great, mostly less great though. Do the good times make up for the bad – on balance, I would say no, and, since like most people I don’t add anything to the sum total of human existence, I still maintain I would be better off not there at all.

    Putting a bullet in one’s own head is so irreversible though, I would be afraid of changing my mind as my finger pulled the trigger, also I suppose one always hopes things will pick up. No it does not give carte blanche to say what one wants, maybe if one feels like this all the time, but unfortunately there is about 15% of the time when I really love life, that is the problem, also, I don’t like hurting other people, that just makes me feel worse. At least if I cheer up other people I feel a bit better momentarily.

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  230. sdaedalus,
    You’re a sweetheart and probably the best female commentator on this blog.

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  231. on July 6, 2010 at 12:02 pm al’Thor

    “(or should I say an English man..I don’t think the Scots would be that wimpy) ”

    Yeah right.

    If the Scots are so tough, why is the capital of the UK London and not Edinburgh?

    If the Scots are so tough, why do they wear women’s clothing?

    If the Scots are so tough, why is English the most widely spoken language in the world, and not Gallic or Gaelic or Gaulish or Garlic or whatever the hell their foul Orc-like tongue is called?

    If the Scots are so tough, why is it that an Englishman can be understood anywhere in the world, whereas the Scots are so utterly incomprehensible with their grunting and spitting that even other Brits don’t understand them?

    If the Scots are so tough, why is it they have such an inferiority complex they can’t cheer on other Brit teams in sports?

    If the Scots are so tough, why is it they have such an inferiority complex that any Scot reading this will be foaming at the mouth, spitting and grunting their incomprehensible curses, as opposed to laughing it off as any true Englishman would?

    Hmmm?

    As Seran says, you’ve got to challenge these things or they become the official story.

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  232. on July 6, 2010 at 2:32 pm gunslingergregi

    That and fucking 150 chicks in the last 11 months probably helps keep the mood up too. Got to be comfortable.

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  233. @Laura
    That’s very nice of you to say I am a sweetheart, you have made me feel much better after my doggy whine.

    I am just killing time to avoid doing something else I don’t want to, this always puts me in a bad mood.

    Also, am overworked.

    I am certainly not the best female commenter on this blog, the shame.

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  234. @GG That and fucking 150 chicks in the last 11 months probably helps keep the mood up too. Got to be comfortable.

    yes, sex is a good antidote to depression, unfortunately I could never cope with so many partners in such a short space of time, it sounds like an awful lot of work, even just managing the logistics of it all, you clearly do not suffer from inertia in any case, the effort of having to change the sheets that many times in a year, maybe you have household help (other than the above) or do you use hotel rooms or go to their places? (sorry for being nosy but you don’t sound like a man who is shy of talking about these things)

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  235. on July 6, 2010 at 2:46 pm gunslingergregi

    ””’Putting a bullet in one’s own head is so irreversible though, I would be afraid of changing my mind as my finger pulled the trigger, ”””’

    Naa saying society wouldn’t put a bullet in your head if you asked them.

    It doesn’t work like that. If you can’t end your own life you won’t be able to pull the trigger. You can hold the gun to your head all day long. If you think you may go to hell will be very tough contrary to popular media oppinion normally you have to pull trigger for gun to go off.

    ””””’but unfortunately there is about 15% of the time when I really love life, that is the problem, also, I don’t like hurting other people, that just makes me feel worse. At least if I cheer up other people I feel a bit better momentarily.””””””’

    Well ya have to look at the 15 percent of the time you love life. For me it is fucking and sometimes fucking diferent woman so I try to go ahead and maximize my time spent doing that. It also tends to be what I am good at so I am not hurting woman they tend to enjoy it. he he he

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  236. Juel,

    The native Americans got what one could logically expect to reap after playing both sides of the fence for so long. That image of the noble Indians and their righteous nature in movies such as Dances with Wolves is all BS.

    Reality is that when they weren’t screwing over another tribe, they were constantly going back and forth between the British & French for their own personal gain. They paid for that stupid behavior by losing their land if one could even call what they had as societies, a geographical home base.

    Not to mention that as a whole,they must have had some incredibly selfish & ignorant leaders to trade away their birth rights for trinkets & beads. I can imagine you being one of those clowns who believes that the Declaration of Independence & Constitution were rip offs of the Iroquois Nation.

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  237. lol every attention whore on the internet eventually talks about suicide. man, i should be allowed to kill suicidal people and get their extra years. i can’t believe i have to die at some point and spoiled, bored, neurasthenic “depressed” get all that time to live they take for granted

    yech

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  238. Jim,

    You’re right: All we need are some courageous leaders.

    It happened in the early 80s, and it will happen again.

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  239. @sdaedalus
    even just managing the logistics of it all, you clearly do not suffer from inertia in any case, the effort of having to change the sheets that many times in a year, maybe you have household help (other than the above) or do you use hotel rooms or go to their places? (sorry for being nosy but you don’t sound like a man who is shy of talking about these things)

    It helps to be in a country with love hotels that cost between $25-40 a night.

    But the logistics are pretty fierce. 150 in 11 months, that’s quiet a series of conquests. But when do you get to enjoy the actual woman, is my question?

    If it’s all just about orgasms, is just seems like a bit of a waste, is all. And at 150 in 11 months, that’s pretty much all you’ll have time for.

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  240. on July 6, 2010 at 3:06 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””dana
    lol every attention whore on the internet eventually talks about suicide. man, i should be allowed to kill suicidal people and get their extra years. i can’t believe i have to die at some point and spoiled, bored, neurasthenic “depressed” get all that time to live they take for granted

    yech
    ””””’
    Suicidal people probably wish you could do that too.

    lol if society condoned it like soyleant green type shit you wouldn’t have to hear it would ya. Since society basically treats a dog better than a human you will probably have to listen to every fucking thing they have to say.

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  241. on July 6, 2010 at 3:09 pm gunslingergregi

    ””on July 6, 2010 at 2:53 pm Gorbachev
    @sdaedalus
    even just managing the logistics of it all, you clearly do not suffer from inertia in any case, the effort of having to change the sheets that many times in a year, maybe you have household help (other than the above) or do you use hotel rooms or go to their places? (sorry for being nosy but you don’t sound like a man who is shy of talking about these things)

    It helps to be in a country with love hotels that cost between $25-40 a night.

    But the logistics are pretty fierce. 150 in 11 months, that’s quiet a series of conquests. But when do you get to enjoy the actual woman, is my question?

    If it’s all just about orgasms, is just seems like a bit of a waste, is all. And at 150 in 11 months, that’s pretty much all you’ll have time for.

    ”””””””’
    Not really but 5 months of that was in states. I haven’t been working so really all the time in the world.

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  242. on July 6, 2010 at 1:29 pm White History

    Hedonism is the coward’s way out. It’s the path of least resistance, and it’s the trendy thing to do.

    [editor: maybe, but the difference is, that’s a trend i could get behind!
    anyhow, don’t underestimate just how many people are dispositionally anhedonic.]

    America’s middle schoolers have taken to oral sex as a favorite after-school activity. The typical college kid has a new sexual partner every week. 20-something Americans take on 6 figures of debt to pay for their fancy college degrees, to go out for drinks/dinner multiple times a week, and to buy cars, clothes, and vacations they cannot afford. They avoid marriage, commitment, and responsibility, and can only be bothered to get a job so they can make the minimum payments on their debt.

    So you think you’re a real man and an alpha male because you follow the herd and spend your life trying to stick your dick in as many places as possible?

    The smart man, the real alpha male, stands up the mindless hedonism in our society and does the right thing for himself and his family. For his culture and his genes. He finds a good woman (they are out there, but you won’t find them in bars), he marries her, he raises his children, and in the meantime he pursues a meaningful career and vocation. When he enters old age, he looks back on a satisfying life of achievement and purpose. The hedonist has nothing to show for himself but useless stories of about masturbation and loneliness.

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  243. on July 6, 2010 at 4:04 pm White Woman

    White History. So true. I haven’t done things perfectly but I have never regretted the sacrifices I’ve made for my family. Life isn’t alway easy but it’s very rich when you do the right thing.

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  244. on July 6, 2010 at 4:15 pm White Woman

    Wish I could help the suicidal folks. My brother took his life and I’d do anything to have him back.

    A couple of pieces of advice, since I’m older than most of you…

    1. Try to get out of the house. Try to make some decent friends if you don’t have any…bars aren’t the best place to meet poeple…btw

    2. Stop reading/watching/listening to the news (unless it’s good news)

    3. Stay away from mind altering drugs

    4. Work hard at something

    5. Ask God for help

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  245. “But our problems are nothing compared with what they were when Margaret Hilda Thatcher, Pope John Paul II and Ronald Wilson Reagan took on the world and won.”

    Yes indeed. And it was planned. And only a few believed
    it was possible. Even Kissinger did not believe.
    (I DO have some inside threads here.)

    @White History
    (about blow jobs)

    Indeed. I spent some time in an ER this weekend
    (non-infectious stuff) and heard through the curtains
    a 15 y.o. girl being diagnosed with oral gonorrhea,
    and being mainly concerned that her parents would find out.

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  246. WOMAN 2: I don’t. Ghana and Uruguay are real soccer countries. They have so much more tradition. I would have totally rooted for them against America.

    ROOSH: Have you been to Ghana or Uruguay?

    WOMAN 2: No

    ROOSH: Do you have any friends from Ghana or Uruguay?

    WOMAN 2: No

    ROOSH: What’s your favorite players from Ghana or Uruguay?

    WOMAN 2: Umm the guy from Uruguay who wears number 10

    Roosh: Generally the best player on a soccer team wears number 10 so that doesn’t say much. I thought you know about the tradition from those countries. That’s what you said.

    WOMAN 2: I mean soccer is more popular there.

    ROOSH: And how would you know that if you know nothing about the team or the countries?

    WOMAN 2: I mean…

    ROOSH: Well good luck with your teams. It was nice talking to you.

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  247. on July 6, 2010 at 4:44 pm namae nanka

    “And society can only tsk tsk not offer a compassionate bullet to the head.”

    straight to euthanasia, that was quick.

    “A couple of pieces of advice, since I’m older than most of you…

    1. Try to get out of the house. Try to make some decent friends if you don’t have any…bars aren’t the best place to meet poeple…btw

    2. Stop reading/watching/listening to the news (unless it’s good news)

    3. Stay away from mind altering drugs

    4. Work hard at something

    5. Ask God for help”

    Quite a handy couple lol
    How about “Get a man”?

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  248. on July 6, 2010 at 4:51 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””White Woman
    Wish I could help the suicidal folks. My brother took his life and I’d do anything to have him back. ””””’

    God may have helped him do it. To actually take your own life would take a certain personality type and for it to be pretty bad I would imagine. Already been through my suicidal phase and couldn’t do it. After that it becomes more about being resigned to the fate of living life and maybe trying to find an excuse to legitimately go out so you get to go to heaven maybe. Laying down your life for a friend type stuff. Going out in defense of a just cause. But like if you do it you must have come to conclusion it was ok so it probably was.

    ”””””””””’A couple of pieces of advice, since I’m older than most of you…

    1. Try to get out of the house. Try to make some decent friends if you don’t have any…bars aren’t the best place to meet poeple…btw”””””””””””””’
    Have made decent friends.

    ”””””’2. Stop reading/watching/listening to the news (unless it’s good news)”””””””””’Don’t care about news.

    ”””””’3. Stay away from mind altering drugs””””’
    Don’t drink or do drugs.

    ”””””’4. Work hard at something””””””’
    Tried to work myself to death.

    ””””””5. Ask God for help””””””
    He never does and tends to be used to keep people living by other people.
    Asked the devil for help and it seemed real but yea scary as fuck. quit that shit.

    What helped in thinking I was probably not the only one to think this way was watching hamlet and knowing that it is an age old question. You hear some qoutes from hamlet throughout life but I didn’t get it until I watched mel gibsons movie hamlet. Nice way of explaining the thoughts I have had in trying to understand why a person would go through an entire life to definetly die at the end why not speed up the process.

    ”””””For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
    Th’ oppressor’s wrong, the proud man’s contumely
    The pangs of despised love, the law’s delay,
    The insolence of office, and the spurns
    That patient merit of th’ unworthy takes,
    When he himself might his quietus make
    With a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear,
    To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
    But that the dread of something after death,”””””””””””

    ””””””’HAMLET: To be, or not to be–that is the question:
    Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer
    The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune
    Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
    And by opposing end them. To die, to sleep–
    No more–and by a sleep to say we end
    The heartache, and the thousand natural shocks
    That flesh is heir to. ‘Tis a consummation
    Devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep–
    To sleep–perchance to dream: ay, there’s the rub,
    For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
    When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
    Must give us pause. There’s the respect
    That makes calamity of so long life.
    For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
    Th’ oppressor’s wrong, the proud man’s contumely
    The pangs of despised love, the law’s delay,
    The insolence of office, and the spurns
    That patient merit of th’ unworthy takes,
    When he himself might his quietus make
    With a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear,
    To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
    But that the dread of something after death,
    The undiscovered country, from whose bourn
    No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
    And makes us rather bear those ills we have
    Than fly to others that we know not of?
    Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
    And thus the native hue of resolution
    Is sicklied o’er with the pale cast of thought,
    And enterprise of great pitch and moment
    With this regard their currents turn awry
    And lose the name of action. — Soft you now,
    The fair Ophelia! — Nymph, in thy orisons
    Be all my sins remembered. ”””””””””””””’

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  249. Guys, you are all very sweet but I am really not that bad. Saying that, on balance, the pain of life outweighs the gain at present (which, being a creature of the present, basically means today, Tuesday,) does not mean I am going to end it. Yesterday, for instance, the gain and pain were equally balanced and things may pick up again tomorrow.

    But this idea that a single parent is justified in having a child because they are doing that child a favor bringing them into the world, I just don’t agree with it, it is presumptuous to assume that you are doing your own child a favor by conceiving it, this was the point I was making which in fairness was probably concealed by my general whine.

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  250. The history being spouted here is neither complete nor sophisticated enough to even approach the truth. It stuns me that everyone is unable to acquire even the barest hint of perspective (on both sides: PC and Racial Theory adherents).

    The PCers are contemptible, but the racial theorists and no-apology conquistador worshipers are equally foolish. The strength of the English has always been in subjugated diversity. Why exterminate, when you can convince your Inferiors that they’re better off being your cultural subjects? This is where the English people have scored in history. It’s also why other Europeans – especially those from Eastern Europe – just don’t get it. That’s a game the French tried, but failed to succeed at; the Germans never understood; and the Russians admired but couldn’t manage and never had the heart for, having a half-Asiatic/Imperialist mindset.

    You’ve got to see: The British Empire was qualitatively different from any other, and it reflected the quirky and unique characteristics of the English peoples. Other Europeans just don’t get this. They never did. They only see a power-structure. This is the mistake other Europeans and Asians make when they look at the English-speaking world.

    The English people lost a huge amount through the extermination of the native North Americans. Regardless of what racial purists like to believe, the greatest moments in human history (and especially English history) and the points where people are made or broken is at those points where we find cultural synthesis: When peoples meet.

    One of the *strengths* of the English peoples is the fact of their miscegenation: their culture fucks cultures like Nigeria or the Philippines or Romania for lunch, before it goes on to actual worthwhile targets for dinner. How does it do this?

    The French have an Academy. The French officially decide what is educated French. There’s only one way to speak it. Gascogne, Provencal, all of the langues d’oc, Breton – it’s all Unofficial. Get thee out.

    English: It’s a MUTT language, like its people, carved out of the conquerors and the shit and detritus of Europe. it’s been stripped of its complex cases and declensions. The verbs are barely conjugated. It’s almost like some sort of pidgin or trade language. It’s like black people owning the term Nigger: Fuck you all, we’re a bunch of illiterate shopkeepers and sheep herders, you keep your Culture and we’ll just beat the living shit out of you.

    It’s a place where City Air Makes Free. The English peoples are all about contradictions and exceptions and breaking the rules and just doing things.

    This is who we started with:
    The loser Celts, the classic anti-urban barbarians, hated and despised everywhere and, though they once owned the entire damned continent, they were slowly driven from it and ended up cut off in their Island reservations. And when the Romans came, it was all over. Thankfully Ireland was just a hop skip too far.
    Then add the murderous, uncivilized, butchering Norse, good for nothing but death and mayhem. Then the French, with their hoot-dee-doo language and feudalism: see if we forget that any time soon, the English said, but we’ll suck your language dry of anything worth keeping, thanks. Add in the gypsies (who acculturated and blended in within three generations), the Jews (who lend the power of their culture to the English people and language), the Irish (who bested the English with their sweet tongues) and the Scots (who managed it all for the hopelessly provincial English aristocracy and invented the modern world), and you get us.

    Then add: The detritus of Africa (thanks for most of modern music), the uneducated filth of Europe (thanks for the people), and then the dreck of everywhere else. Australia, the US, New Zealand, Canada, for that matter South Africa – we *MADE* a world. English is the language of “liberation” for most of the planet.

    We’re the Egypt, Rome and Greece of the modern world. Europeans *HATE* acknowledging this, the Russians do it only grudingly, and the Chinese live in their own world and officially defy it while culturally absorbing it.

    But the Euro-focused history of this is a bit of an illusion. And I think a huge opportunity was lost with the Native Americans because of puritanical religious attitudes and racial notions that didn’t serve us at the time.

    The Native societies were often more productive than the English ones. When writing was introduced, many native societies had more literacy than English ones. The natives were experts at many areas of social and cultural technology we only re-learned much later. Our arrogance cost us there.

    It’s not all our fault, but we lost a chance to seriously absorb, Borg-like, the fruits of a very accomplished culture zone.

    The English people chafed under British rule because the king’s government had the trappings of legality and the principal disagreement was the King’s refusal to endorse an 18th-century version of Manifest Destiny and ethnic cleansing. Their twisted, puritanical religion, a kind of Islamic Fundamentalism of its time, reinforced the New Jerusalem ideal of the English Peoples as the only people in the world worth being allowed to live in God’s Creation. The French were a blight, the mainland Europeans barely tolerable (more tolerable if they were Protestant) and anyone from anywhere else, well, useful for nothing but slaves and markets.

    But a majority of white males supported independence, not least because they saw the continuing existence of Canada (after the 1756 conquest) and the protection of Indian lands as grossly insulting. That’s cultural confidence for you. Anyway, these are the only people who counted in the social order, and they manned the Continental Army, so they got the vote.

    Natives:

    The natives weren’t a single monolithic group – or even a few groups. There were hundreds of native tribes, nations and states. Some of the states were thousands of years old, some were newish and some were older than their European conquerors. They had different and less-advanced technology, but more impressive technology in some ways: Agriculturally, they were extremely competent, better than the Europeans in some respects.

    The lack of metal was changing: they were going through their early metal ages. Their art was refined and complex; their oral skills were impressive. Their racial cousins in Mexico had invented writing, become skilled mathematicians, mystics and philosophers. There were numerous high civilizations of “classical” order. Five Nations oratory was famous among the English, and even the most racially obsessed white men had to admit that the Iroquois were profoundly intelligent, great traders, good politicians, poets and speakers. When they learned English, the Iroquois could easily have been like the Irish. They might have made impressive additions to the English world, had they been allowed to continue to exist in any strength. But if even the Irish were almost wiped out by extermination-minded Cromwellians, then the Iroquoians had no chance.

    (Rule: Never give up your guns. Peaceniks get run over by Hitlers and Khans way to easily, and history forgets them.)

    Many native states were very successful (Iroquoians/Cherokee); some were little better than barbarians. Some were mediocre in the extreme (like the Slavs were for Europe); some were stunning and rightfully proud (the Pacific North West). Most were farmers and agriculturalists, and had been for thousands of years. We like to remember the barbarians because it makes us feel better. But we have to remember: These barbarians were the tattered scraps left over from a holocaust of unbelievable proportions.

    The Original Holocaust

    When the English came, the native societies were just recovering from the Spanish depredations. When the Spanish were here, De Soto found endless farms and thousands upon thousands of villages and towns. There was no wilderness. Roads (of a sort) and paths led through urban jungles. The Mississippi was filled with cities and towns and religions and political alliances and trade networks and this went right into the Ohio and up into Canada and south to Mexico.

    These were not wild animal people eating each other in the bush. The tragedy is that this history is largely lost. Why?

    It was disease that did North America and South America in – not cultural inferiority. Without disease, there would have been a time when North America would have been de-colonized, like Africa or Asia. The population of North America easily rivaled Europe or Asia. Let alone South America. Instead, 98% of the population was wiped out in a spiral of death, disease, political collapse, economic collapse, social decay, and more death.

    De Soto never lacked for a village or town, walking through corn fields the entire way from Florida to the mid-west and stopping every few hours in a major village or large town. He grew terrified and worried because he was in the middle of a super-densely populated continent, surrounded by what seemed like Classical-level civilizations of great complexity and bewildering variety. Their prosperity and the layers of complex political organization were baffling to him.

    By the time La Verendrie came down from the North via Canada, 60 years later, this is what he found:

    5 small villages.

    Endless abandoned wild cornfields and new forests sprouting in their midst.

    The new England seaboard was stripped of people. It never truly recovered. It was just starting to when the English arrived.

    Then there’s Mexico and South America.

    Racial theorists can say anything they want, but there’s nothing native people in the Americas have to be ashamed of – as set of “races”.

    The Mayans may be short, stocky, not particularly attractive and long-suffering, but people: they’re not a bunch of savages descended from animals in the jungle.

    Narrow perspectives serve no-one, and one person’s hero is another’s villain. Chingis Khan is a hero in Mongolia; Atilla a hero in Hungary; Anti-Semites demonize Jews, but in quiet moments, we have to admit that Jews helped make the English world and the modern world hugely out of proportion to their numbers.

    Facile explanations rarely serve anyone.

    The only real losers are the racial ideologues and PC nutcases who are so self-assured of their own little narrowly-defined belief systems that their decisions and world are colored – blinded by their own version of rose-colored glasses.

    Instead of expelling all these immigrants, we should make it extremely attractive for them to be English.* The United States would be far more powerful if it did this. Suck them in and make them Us.

    We’ve done it for 1500 years, if we got rid of this PC shit we could actually take this refuse and do the same thing again. With ease, I suspect. If we tried.

    * Except Muslims. No need to invite in Nazis – medieval Nazis, at that.

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  251. Actually, hedonism isn’t the problem – as long as you have a plan or care about restoring things to sanity when the time comes.

    Nicole, being an indentured servant was probably worse. Technically, if I had to work for you for five years in any way you want me to, you could care the less about the state of my health after those five years. If I was your property, you’d take more care of me since I’d give you higher returns over time. Slaves were given food, medicine and a family so that they produce another generation of slaves. Oh, and American slavery was just peachy compared to Arab slavery, who for example, simply castrated the male slaves so that the next generation born out of them won’t exist. Anyway, getting to the point, are you this stupid? Point to where I said that slavery should have been kept. I didn’t do it anywhere. There’s a difference in between not being able to be a citizen and being a slave.

    sdaedalus, I’m the same – I sometimes wish I wasn’t born. Still, if you do get over the unmitigated idiocy of most people and things like this, you can enjoy life. Walk outside and lay on the grass and look at the stars and tell me the sight is simply not brilliant. Or how the sun beams look when they go in between the leaves of a tree as you look up. There are a lot of enjoyable things in life, if you accept what I said before.

    Polymath, European countries didn’t give citizenship to our ethnic minorities. French doing it after their revolution made them the first to do so probably.

    Grampa, the original Americans didn’t immigrate to America. They conquered it.

    Gorbachev, if things were so great for the British and since your mindset gave them such an edge, why are WASPs in America and people of English descent a lot more irrelevant demographically, economically, politically and culturally than they were and why are they becoming more and more irrelevant by the day? I love rhetorical questions.

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  252. @Grampa

    All cultures knock heads when they run into other cultures. Smart cultures realize that merely trying to wipe out the other guy doesn’t really serve your culture very well. If you are actually proud of your culture, you want Them to become like You.

    This is The Other, version 1.0. And most successful cultures adopted this view of The Other. They certainly want to keep The Other out, but we also want The Other to know Our Glory. Even smarter cultures (China, Rome) knew that by assimilating you got a little bit assimilated yourself, but the only way to fight that was to make your culture even better.

    All of the great cultures of the world view The Other in this fashion. And even most American Indian tribes held this view. Oh, sure, they’d fight. But wipe another tribe out? It was, for the most part, anathema.

    There were historical anomalies. Occasionally a guy would get butthurt about his father and go all Inigo Montoya on someone (Hannibal). Then there are mega-alpha fuckheads like Genghis Khan. But these movements never succeed, because a culture rooted in annihilation doesn’t have anything else to offer the world and burns itself out.

    This pattern continued for some time, and then Colonialism happened, and something went horribly wrong. Was it technology? Was it the philosophical turmoil of the Renaissance, the Reformation, the Counter-Reformation, and the Enlightenment? Both? Who knows?

    All I can tell is that a set of mega-alpha males settled in an unremarkable English province on the northeastern American continent and figured out how to perfect The Other, 2.0: We’ll pick one culture to annihilate, and use fear of becoming the Other to discipline and structure society for the enrichment of the mega-alphas.

    But as I said above, no culture rooted in annihilation ever survives, and while America outlived its Founders for a while, its continued sustenance relied on a bunch of very pretty lies, lies that were laid bare by postmodernist philosophies (feminism being one of them).

    When was America doomed? That date was July 4, 1776. But it will take about 250 years for the corpse to finally fall over.

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  253. sdaedalus
    re: Sperm Donor

    Since the unborn have no right to live in our society, the unborn have no right to decide if they are conceived au natural or in a petri dish. Her “mum” could have opted to have her skull crushed and her brains sucked out when she was 40 weeks old and coming down the birth canal.

    Notice the girl rejected her non-biological father. Thanks for all your money and hard work, non-Dad. Not get out of my life.

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  254. @Grampa
    C’mon, just because you can abort the unborn at 40 weeks doesn’t mean it’s right, imo any child that is 40 wks old has a moral right to live even if not a legal one (I will leave aside the very difficult situation where the mother’s life is at risk) Law and morality are not the same thing, if they were , female lawyers would all have little white wings lol.

    Obviously the unborn have no say in how they are conceived, how could they have a say? I am just saying that people who plan to have kids by sperm donors should consider how the kids may feel about it down the road, humans are not logical, even if the child is, on balance, happier having been born, they may still blame the mother & the non-biological father, as happened here.

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  255. on July 6, 2010 at 6:02 pm Vincent Ignatius

    cpk hit the nail on the head.

    Only the lowest quality members of a group will fight to completely destroy the members of another group or to preserve genetic purity. The smart ones know that you can take the best from other cultures/peoples and use them to augment your already superior culture.

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  256. gunslingergregi
    Re: White men fucking black slave girls all day.

    The incidence of the European Y chromosome in African Americans is quite low, on the order of 1 or 2 per cent. It was as high as 10% in African Americans in New Orleans prior to Katrina, thanks the the French planters and their black wives who fled the 1801 genocide in Haiti.

    (These numbers are from memory, but are quite close to the true numbers.)

    There is just no genetic evidence for widespread rape of black women by white men during the slave days. Maybe the 1/2 white offspring intermarried, and the whiter grandchildren gradually drifted off into white society, and “passed.” Or, maybe the male children of those couplings didn’t marry or have children. Dunno. But, you know, I doubt there is much grant money available to study this question.

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  257. sd,

    it is presumptuous to assume that you are doing your own child a favor by conceiving it

    This is similar to something RV said to me, which I had to admit was true. Would you at least agree that, having conceived it (intentionally or not), it is more presumptuous to abort it, deciding for nonexistence on its behalf, than to bear it, allowing it to decide for itself what to do with its life when it is mature?

    Regarding your own existence, you said

    since like most people I don’t add anything to the sum total of human existence, I still maintain I would be better off not there at all.

    and I must contradict you and maintain that you have made my existence, on balance, quite a bit more enjoyable, and it is my opinion that, in aggregate, those who have encountered your e-presence also find your net contribution positive.

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  258. In fairness I do have sympathy for a couple who can’t have children because the man has a low sperm count, I can see why they would want to avail of the sperm donation thing, I just think it is better if the natural father is traceable, it is a terrible thing for a child to know absolutely nothing about their biological parent, so many unanswered questions, never any closure, where the child really begins to feel it btw is when they have children themselves.

    In the case of a single woman who has a child by sperm donation, there is the added complication of there being only one parent, which raises other problems. This is really where I have the most problems with sperm donation but even in the first situation it is important to think through the consequences, it is not as easy a solution as people make out, clinics make a lot of money from this kind of thing, they will not point out the negatives.

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  259. @Polymath
    something RV said to me, which I had to admit was true. Would you at least agree that, having conceived it (intentionally or not), it is more presumptuous to abort it, deciding for nonexistence on its behalf, than to bear it, allowing it to decide for itself what to do with its life when it is mature?

    Absolutely, far more presumptuous, by coincidence you will see my view on the abortion issue above.

    since like most people I don’t add anything to the sum total of human existence, I still maintain I would be better off not there at all.

    and I must contradict you and maintain that you have made my existence, on balance, quite a bit more enjoyable, and it is my opinion that, in aggregate, those who have encountered your e-presence also find your net contribution positive.

    Thank you, that is very nice of you, Polymath, I was really not fishing for compliments here. I’m only sorry the discussion got distracted by my self-centred hyperbole, I can be a bit of a drama queen at times. I have walked home & had a cup of tea and an iced cupcake and feel much better now, so no more reassurance needed.

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  260. on July 6, 2010 at 6:23 pm gunslingergregi

    ””on July 6, 2010 at 6:02 pm Grampa
    gunslingergregi
    Re: White men fucking black slave girls all day.

    The incidence of the European Y chromosome in African Americans is quite low, on the order of 1 or 2 per cent. It was as high as 10% in African Americans in New Orleans prior to Katrina, thanks the the French planters and their black wives who fled the 1801 genocide in Haiti.
    ”””””

    Yea I don’t believe it either not compared with evidense for how many white male black female couples you see walking around. Sure it may have happened but was not probably a normal thing. Considering a white male walking into a black bar will have no problem picking black females because it is so unusual.

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  261. @rebelliousvanilla

    I like your posts, they’re nothing if not very consistent. But you’ve got a rather provincial outlook. I think a lot of travel and a lot of intense exposure to the rest of the world will expand your world and enrich your weltanaschauung immensely. But you really, really do need to see the world, and yank off your glasses to do it.

    Nicole, being an indentured servant was probably worse. Technically, if I had to work for you for five years in any way you want me to, you could care the less about the state of my health after those five years. If I was your property, you’d take more care of me since I’d give you higher returns over time. Slaves were given food, medicine and a family so that they produce another generation of slaves. Oh, and American slavery was just peachy compared to Arab slavery, who for example, simply castrated the male slaves so that the next generation born out of them won’t exist. Anyway, getting to the point, are you this stupid? Point to where I said that slavery should have been kept. I didn’t do it anywhere. There’s a difference in between not being able to be a citizen and being a slave.

    I’ve read a dozen works on slavery and how it was practiced in the US. I’m a classical history nutcase, too. I know very non-PC people who have researched it in depth for work.

    While I credit you your analysis, the actual practice of slavery in the US was (at times) as brutal as anything the Romans dished out in the mines. Some of the practices made the Arabs look civilized, and that’s saying a lot, because the Arabs aren’t very civilized about very much. Slavery in the US was largely despicable. The one place where it was actively considered worse was Brazil, the last place to abolish it.

    Polymath, European countries didn’t give citizenship to our ethnic minorities. French doing it after their revolution made them the first to do so probably.</I.

    Yes. Instead, mainland European countries descend into pointless, wasting fratricidal and civil warfare every generation and set themselves back 10-15 years economically and politically. I'm sure it's a much more effective strategy. The Republic of Smallview against the Proud Homeland of Nethersburg. Such a proud and creative tradition. And if outside enemies can't be found, there's no shortage of People From That Village or Differently Accented Dudes to bash over the head.

    Yeah, Nationalism was great for Europe.

    Europeans, especially those from Eastern Europe or the Balkans, don't see that this sort of thing just looks sad and pathetic to outsiders: Neat little hedgerows with frown-faced in-bred locals going on about the uniqueness of some X-year old tradition and occasionally launching some jihad against their neighbors.

    Europe is utterly crippled by its history in every way. It needs to learn how to forget properly and face real threats (like Islamicization).

    I might suggest that learning how to constructively live together (and work together and breed together) is ultimately going to be much more, … *practical*.

    Gorbachev, if things were so great for the British and since your mindset gave them such an edge, why are WASPs in America and people of English descent a lot more irrelevant demographically, economically, politically and culturally than they were and why are they becoming more and more irrelevant by the day? I love rhetorical questions.

    Okay. But you need to know those aren’t rhetorical questions, and the assumptions behind them are dead wrong. Europeans hate to admit this, but here it is:

    Demographically: The English people were rarely ever defined by race. English-speakers who do Englishy things are English. That’s always been more or less true, depending on the time and the ideological goals. There’s a nice degree of flexibility that’s not available to other ethnicities. Trinidadians are basically English. Bajans are basically (very) English. Singaporeans were well on their way to being English. It’s an Anglified world.

    Economically: Say what? I sit here now in a very fancy hotel in Toronto, Canada, looking out onto a hugely prosperous, outrageously successful English polyglot polyracial (but still powerfully *English*) city, a city which puts to shame any equivalent in most of Europe. It has problems, too, but to carve a major city out of the forest here took serious moxy. To live here right next door to the US and not be American – but still be English – takes even more moxy. These quiet people are more impressive than any Balkan empire. I get the same feeling any time I’m in Australia.

    If anything, China is becoming powerful, which means Asia is growing. But for for every kick the English world receives, Europe gets bashed over the head. In Western terms, Europe is being left in the dustbin of history.
    Of the Western peoples, the only ones of any consequence any more after the English are the Germans, and they’ve got their own problems.

    And the economic situation for the Anglo world will turn around, soon, fear not. It will always be better here than in Europe.

    All Anglo societies are happier and more desirable places to live than almost all European ones. Europeans hate to admit this, but they emigrate when they can.

    Follow the money. Follow the feet. I’ve been all over Europe.

    Eurowhining never ceases and it’s never justified.
    Europe is crippled by its culture(s).

    Politically: Please. It took the US to stop Albanians from getting slaughtered in Kosovo. It took Canadians to push to ban land mines and invent peacekeeping. It was a Canadian who called Bullshit on the world (read: Europe) in Rwanda. Americans saved Europe from itself not once, but twice. Three times if you count the Cold War. The Australians have more political spine in Queensland than all of Europe put together. You want guts? Go to Texas.

    Europe hasn’t been able to diplomatically do fuck-all since 1945, and it just gets worse every year. They can barely agree on how to pay farmers for food, for God’s sake.
    Europe can’t find its ass with both hands. And even if they did, the French would just cock it up anyway, because the French cock everything up.

    Europe is politically neutered. It’s useless. It breeds hopeless mediocrity. Nothing politically useful ever comes out of Europe.

    No wonder the British want no part of it. Good for them. Smartest move they made this century.

    Face the facts: the Anglo world is the *ONLY* political hope left for the West. That’s been true for 150 years. Every important decision, good or bad, has been made or made possible by the Anglosphere. Denying that is perverse.

    Culturally: Anglo culture, from political science to pop music to art, rules the whole damned planet. This is getting more serious and more pronounced in every possible sphere in every country on Earth as every person lives and breathes. It’s true in Korea and it’s true in Lithuania and it’s true in Honduras. You don’t need to like it. But it’s true.

    Modern literature is crushed by the overwhelming weight and quality of English literature. This massive imbalance grows every minute. Literature almost doesn’t matter unless it’s translated into English. The literary world is, basically, an English world, no matter what the French say.
    It’s pure cultural Pwnage.

    Modern music is nearly a wholesale creation of Anglo culture in one form or another, whether the unrivaled and unprecedented musical genius of black America over the last 100 years, the Anglo-Celtic roots of Country, electro-pop, atmospheric, Rai, or the sad shadowy copies of Western popular music: Italo-French-Canto-K-pop.

    If there’s a rock band in Norway, the music they play, the style and the form were invented by English-speaking people.

    And here it is:

    Modern culture *IS* Anglo culture.

    Like every European you can scream into the wind and deny it. But it’s a fact. Europe just lost, utterly and completely and with no apparent hope for reclamation.

    Science: Needless to say, it’s done in English or it’s forgotten and useless (unless it’s in Chinese, where it’s usually done in English, too).

    Face it:

    Far from being sidelined, the Anglosphere is the last great refuge of power, status, and culture for the entire Western world.

    In a very real sense, the Anglo world *IS* the western world. It’s the last and only hope for Europe.

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  262. @Gorbachev
    “The lack of metal was changing: they were going through their early metal ages. Their art was refined and complex; their oral skills were impressive. Their racial cousins in Mexico had invented writing, become skilled mathematicians, mystics and philosophers. ”

    Yup. You start with copper, then, in some cases, you
    graduate to bronze (IF you can find a source of tin),
    THEN when you have the technology down, you can
    move on to iron. No culture STARTS by working iron.

    Note the capital of NWTerritorries, Yellowknife. The natives
    had figured out how to mine and use copper.

    New Zealand has iron but NO copper, so the otherwise
    clever Maoris were stuck at the neolithic age.

    Meditteranean, OTOH, is chock full of copper lots of
    places (the island of Cyprus is the same as “copper”,
    I don’t know which came first). Abd the Phoenicians
    knew where the tin was (Cornwall) and brought it in
    to the Med, but were NOT interested in letting anybody
    else know where they got it.

    California is odd. So. Cal used to be Chumash territory, very
    primitive. Not that many miles south, the high
    (but NASTY) cultures of the Toltecs, Olmecs and Aztecs,
    and – a little further down, the Maya. Strange with
    such a large difference over a small geographical
    distance.

    Thor

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  263. whiskeyThe solution is simple. For White guys to thug it up, big time.

    *whiskey turns hat backwards and pulls pants to ground*

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  264. @CPK
    There were historical anomalies. Occasionally a guy would get butthurt about his father and go all Inigo Montoya on someone (Hannibal).

    Hehehehehehehe.

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  265. grampa Or, maybe the male children of those couplings didn’t marry or have children. Dunno. But, you know, I doubt there is much grant money available to study this question.

    mixed race blk male children were often killed at birth or soon after.

    @polymath- You sly devil you. I like SD too don’t get to down.

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  266. @Vincent Ignatius
    cpk hit the nail on the head.
    Only the lowest quality members of a group will fight to completely destroy the members of another group or to preserve genetic purity. The smart ones know that you can take the best from other cultures/peoples and use them to augment your already superior culture.

    This has always been true and it’s why the Anglosphere is what it is. It’s also why the further East you go in Europe, the less and less they understand this. And the less relevant their cultures become.

    Until you get to Russia, which is the only culture worth respecting, and it’s more Asian in outlook than European.

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  267. Man has such a predilection for systems and abstract deductions that he is ready to distort the truth intentionally, he is ready to deny the evidence of his senses only to justify his logic.

    Gorbachev, I really think you’re doing that. All things like culture, language and so on are artifacts of a group of people. Another group adopting them is highly irrelevant if it doesn’t benefit the original group(for example, them adopting it and allowing the original group to rule them as a consequence is a good thing, while adopting it to rule the original group by being enfranchised is bad). Oh, and another thing, without the US getting stupidly in WW1, WW2 and the Cold War wouldn’t have happened. And about America being better off with the Amerindians around and the Anglos mixing with them, you can look at Mexico. Also, since you’re a fan of the voting with your feet concept, why do people where the Europeans mixed with the natives want to move to places where they didn’t?

    Vincent, I agree, racial ‘purity’ is an idiotic concept. It’s the proof of misunderstanding more complex systems.

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  268. @Thor
    @Gorbachev
    “The lack of metal was changing: they were going through their early metal ages. Their art was refined and complex; their oral skills were impressive. Their racial cousins in Mexico had invented writing, become skilled mathematicians, mystics and philosophers. ”

    Yup. You start with copper, then, in some cases, you
    graduate to bronze (IF you can find a source of tin),
    THEN when you have the technology down, you can
    move on to iron. No culture STARTS by working iron.

    Yeah, and there were other resources, too. The natives were crazily good at using wood, leather and were clever with things like mica (Pennsylvania).

    The Pacific North-Western natives were crazy experts at burn-hardening wood, bending it and shaping it.

    Note the capital of NWTerritorries, Yellowknife. The natives had figured out how to mine and use copper.

    Also north of Superior and in Mesoamerica. They were maybe where Europe was around the beginning of the Bronze Age, but with Classical-level organization and culture.

    New Zealand has iron but NO copper, so the otherwise
    clever Maoris were stuck at the neolithic age.

    Meditteranean, OTOH, is chock full of copper lots of
    places (the island of Cyprus is the same as “copper”,
    I don’t know which came first). Abd the Phoenicians
    knew where the tin was (Cornwall) and brought it in
    to the Med, but were NOT interested in letting anybody
    else know where they got it.

    The Med is almost perfectly designed for technological development. The Americas, as Jared Diamond write about so eloquently, are north-south, so cultural transmission and fertilization is much harder.

    California is odd. So. Cal used to be Chumash territory, very primitive.

    Desert. Nothing useful there without high technology, much like Minnesota or Canada.

    Not that many miles south, the high
    (but NASTY) cultures of the Toltecs, Olmecs and Aztecs,
    and – a little further down, the Maya. Strange with
    such a large difference over a small geographical
    distance.

    The north-south axis versus the east-west one in the Med is a very good hypothesis.

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  269. @Rebelliousvanilla,

    All things like culture, language and so on are artifacts of a group of people. Another group adopting them is highly irrelevant if it doesn’t benefit the original group(for example, them adopting it and allowing the original group to rule them as a consequence is a good thing, while adopting it to rule the original group by being enfranchised is bad).

    I agree with that completely. But it can hardly be said that black Americans rule America, or that Hispanic people in the US are remaking Mexico.

    And the original Anglo population has benefited hugely from Anglo culture being so open. That original group and its descendants essentially culturally rule the entire planet. They’re on a circuitous but clear road to owning the human race and the human future.

    The tragedy of the native Americans is that we had a great chance to pull another Scotland/Ireland there, with all of these groups, and failed.

    Nobody is disenfranchising anyone. If anything, the Anglo people are just getting more Peons to dominate.

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  270. rebellousvanilla- for someone who lives far away in Romania, you sure to seem to care much about American History and esp blks. Why you bring up blks more than the blk people who comment here.

    Why not be thankful that “we” haven’t polluted Romania with our presence and leave it at that.

    *on que whiskey comes strutting in with his pants sagging listening to super dupa gangta rap*

    *whiskey gives chic noir the head nod and fist bump*

    whiskey to chic: what it be chic noir. you phat in those pants c.

    chic noir 😯

    What rebellousvanilla really means is “Ghanians are more manly, because they are Black and socially dominant and more athletic. Unlike the geeky White guys who hit on me all day long, who I find repulsive.”
    What is driving all this sentiment is women’s disgust at ordinary White men. *Those big blk Mandingo warriors really turn her on. So much so that she just can’t stop thinking ,talking and writing about them.*

    rebellousvanilla stammers: wha.. what …what are you talking about whiskey??? The only time I think about dark meat is when I go to KFC.

    Whiskey: that’s symbolism.

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  271. Of all the characters who’ve visited this blog: leftists, feminists, haters, randroids, nerds, black or Indian supremacists, or deranged MRAs, I’ve only found Gorbachev coming close to being disturbing. It’s probably because he’s like an Anglophile version of a German Nazi ideologue who makes supremacist rants about non-German Europeans being Untermenschen.

    Though he has a soft spot for Albanians — sort of how Nazis did for Finns. Maybe because Albanians gave the US/UK a reason to bomb another European country, largely on specious and highly ideological pretecsts.

    Well, it’s great that he worships England… however, while the historic England has much to be admired about, today that country is Europe’s most pathetic and contemptible entity. And yeah, that’s including places Moldova.

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  272. chic noirbuttox.

    Last time you detoxed my buttox, you used a lavender essence. That was good, but this time, you will need to use a lilac essence.

    It will be your honor and privilege to :

    First botox…
    Then rrrrrectox….
    Then detox…

    …my buttox.

    Now quit talksin’ and start detoxin’

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  273. whiskey, I do find most white men to be pathetic wimps, but that’s not really because they’re white or because they’re not thugs. It’s because they actually are wimps and enjoy circle jerking around for concepts like social justice and bullshit like that instead of doing what’s in their own interest and in the interests of their own children. They’re actually into discriminating against their own children, which is quite hilarious, since this is what encouraging minority groups to participate in whatnot does.

    chic noir, I will consider answering to you when you won’t be intellectually dishonest. You could start by being intellectual, first, and then by being honest. Cry me a river.

    Gorbachev, there’s no such thing as culturally ruling the planet. You either do it or you don’t. And last time I checked, there aren’t even any WASPs on the United States supreme court, let alone them ruling the world. Anglos are being replaced everywhere in the world, in case you didn’t figure it out. That’s hardly beneficial to them, if you ask me. And you didn’t answer me. Since you believe in the voting with your feet thing and you think that the Amerindians mixing with the Anglos would have been a good thing, why do Mexicans move to the US and not Americans to Mexico, since there Europeans intermarried with the Amerindians?

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  274. chic noir, I will consider answering to you when you won’t be intellectually dishonest. You could start by being intellectual, first, and then by being honest.

    I don’t understand?

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  275. @chic noir
    Not worth the energy trying to understand, lovely xx

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  276. Nicole AKA Flea on a Cat: “Ryder, my own people are independent thinkers. Me and mine will be alright no matter what you tools do.”

    LOL! I never knew fleas led such interesting lives.

    Flea on a Cat: “Rebellious, yeah, it all just happened overnight. White folks just woke up one morning and decided to end slavery.”

    Well, whites are the only people on the planet to have undertaken serious efforts, at the cost of huge numbers of white lives, to end chattel slavery. What did YOUR people do to end slavery in Africa? I know the answer: continue to buy and sell slaves until the white man forced you to stop. Even today, slavery continues in parts of Africa, just as it has for eons.

    Flea on a Cat: “Rebellious, America is a bastard country founded mostly by bastards and slaves.”

    Why lie, Nicole? Have you retreated into a pure fantasy world of dishonesty? America was founded overwhelmingly by people of Northern European stock. There is absolutely nothing “bastard” about that. Pretending that slaves “founded” the nation makes about as much sense as claiming some janitor “founded” IBM.

    Flea on a Cat: ” There was also quite a bit of mixing between European and Native Americans. If you want to separate the two today, there will maybe be a few thousand truly European people left who aren’t 20th century immigrants.”

    This is an absolute lie, Nicole. Your whoppers are getting bigger and bigger with every post. The DNA evidence in no way supports this. Only a small percentage of self-identifying whites have any trace of Indian genes. Why do you persist in spreading such ridiculous and demonstrably untrue b.s.? I’ll answer it for you: because you don’t have a leg to stand on, as a flea living on a cat.

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  277. I don’t understand?

    chic noirbuttox,

    She is telling you to detox her buttox. But you will have to do mine first. I have seniority.

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  278. @Rebelliousvanilla,

    Gorbachev, there’s no such thing as culturally ruling the planet. You either do it or you don’t.

    No, political and cultural rule are entirely different. Greek culture ruled the Eastern Med long after Alexander was dead and the Romans had come and gone.

    And last time I checked, there aren’t even any WASPs on the United States supreme court, let alone them ruling the world.

    Wasps aren’t the only English. You make the same mistake the ultra-conservatives in my home town make. The Catholic Irish as as Anglo, now, as anyone. Same for the very urbane Bajans on their Caribbean Island with their quaint accent and their educations and big fat bank accounts and their NYC or London apartments.

    Anglos are being replaced everywhere in the world, in case you didn’t figure it out.

    Um, replaced? Oh, right, you mean *racially* replaced. Culture is doing just fine, if we can stop this bilingual garbage and steal the immigrants’ children.

    Race was your point, after all. Well, I don’t consider the English a… race, per se. It’s a culture. And it will *still* rule.

    That’s hardly beneficial to them, if you ask me.

    My state governor can be anything, but if he’s a native-English-speaking dude who studied Shakespeare in highschool and went to school here, he’s unlikely to be a priori any better or worse than anyone else, especially as all these other Anglos voted for him and he had to work up the cash and the votes to do get it.

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  279. @Rebelliousvanilla,
    And you didn’t answer me. Since you believe in the voting with your feet thing and you think that the Amerindians mixing with the Anglos would have been a good thing, why do Mexicans move to the US and not Americans to Mexico, since there Europeans intermarried with the Amerindians?

    The whole “White-European” thing. You can’t look at your own base assumptions. Try to remove your glasses sometimes.

    You see, the Europeans in Mexico were…

    *Spanish*.

    Culturally – politically – historically – ideologically – economically – no relation. Politically, socially and economically inferior in every way.

    Incompetent and corrupt to the core. Might as well have been Martians. The feudal Japanese could have done better, even the Ethiopians and the ancient rulers of Axum.

    Their European blood was meaningless. Anglos were better at everything. Still are. It takes a special kind of profound cultural incompetence to fuck over several highly developed civilizations and gain nothing substantial.

    Even the French pulled it off with limited success.

    Anglo culture had more in common with the Krauts and the Cherokee than it did with the Spanish, frankly. The white blood meant nothing, nothing, nothing at all.

    White blood is meaningless. The US and the rest of the English world did well— because it was English.

    History says: “The rest of Europe can suck it.”

    Which it did.

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  280. @Rebelliousvanilla,

    The best thing we could do for Hispanic America is make it English.

    [editor: not going to happen. they are too genetically distinct and there are too many of them.]

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  281. Yes, we have about as much in common with Spaniards as we do with Romanians (oh sorry, should have I said ‘Europeans’).

    Those pesky Spaniards can’t even treat donkeys properly, as for Romanians…hmmm..orphanages..?

    This ‘European’ superiority is frankly boring.

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  282. Gorbachev wrote:
    <<>>

    Well yeah, that’s pretty much what I wrote in my last post when I said: “To be perfectly frank, I really don’t care whether the Indians ruled what is now the USA right up until 1776. Whites clearly were stronger, and Whites summarily displaced them and proceeded to dictate to them the way things would be. The circle of life! When you’re stronger, and when you’re racially aware, that’s just how the cookie crumbles.”

    Again, I don’t really care even if they were here first.

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  283. @lily thanks 🙂

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  284. Gorbachev: “The thing is, there’s no good evidence for any population of “white” people in the Americas before the Vikings. None.”

    This is simply untrue. What is undeniably true is that proper investigation of these issues is discouraged in a politically correct culture.

    Gorbachev: “And, anyway, there’s no reason to worry about it: The mere presence of people here before Americans is irrelevant. Americans took it over. Period.”

    Dude, have you been living under a rock or what? It is a tremendously important part of politically correct ideology that the Indians were here first, and that whites were evil usurpers. This is both used to guilt trip whites and secure enormous financial goodies for Indians. It has tremendous real world consequences. There is no “period” to it when something is used so extensively for anti-white purposes. You may not grasp the importance of these issues, but those wiser than you obviously do.

    Gorbachev: “But the questions of history should be left to archaeologists, and racial theorists, mythical history addicts and political axe-grinders should just butt out. All of them.”

    As opposed to those that have absolutely no grasp of how political ideology works in the real world, as a means of control and power?

    Gorbachev: “The English people lost a huge amount through the extermination of the native North Americans.”

    LOL! Yeah, maybe we could have been a huge Peru or Venezuela instead. That would have been really great, what a lost opportunity. Gorbachev, do facts or reality remotely enter into your worldview? Those countries that ended up with the largest Indian populations…suck. Impoverished, corrupt, disastrous. Taking your advice is like taking poison. Woe to the countries that did.

    Gorbachev: “It’s not all our fault, but we lost a chance to seriously absorb, Borg-like, the fruits of a very accomplished culture zone.”

    The hits just keep on coming.

    Gorbachev: “Demographically: The English people were rarely ever defined by race. English-speakers who do Englishy things are English.”

    Absolutely untrue. When the English people began to encounter non-whites in significant numbers, racial lines were rapidly drawn. Anti-miscegenation laws go back to the 1600’s. Racial lines were drawn wherever the English settled in significant numbers, from Australia to Virginia. Earlier than that, other people such as the Moors were understood to be of a different race. In fact, one can hardly understand a play like Othello without grasping this.

    Gorbachev, your view of history is strange. You claim as certain fact that which is either uncertain or demonstrably untrue. You give advice that is clearly repudiated by facts and experience, both of which you seem to be blissfully unaware of. It makes me tired.

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  285. @Gorbachev
    “The north-south axis versus the east-west one in the Med is a very good hypothesis.”

    Thus dixit Jared Diamond. But for a counterpoint, read
    Landis (The Poverty of Nations). Yes, geography
    matters. But institutions/culture matters also.

    For the rest, yes, the Spanish become too much like the
    Arabs (in the extended sense) that ruled the Iberian
    peninsula for so long. The revered professions in Islam
    is Robber and Mullah. Religion optimized for raiding
    caravans, not much good for anything else.
    Spanish became the same, with different labels.
    The socially “in” jobs are officer or priest. And they
    were good at robbing Mezo- and South America.
    But they are poor (but learning, in the last generation
    or two, in Europe) at producing a workable economy
    NOT based on plunder. Attila and the Witch Doctor.
    Google it.

    Thor

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  286. Who was where first is utterly irrelevant since the only territorial claim that one can make is with guns and tanks.

    Gorbachev, yet Mexico is an unmitigated shithole while Spain isn’t. And the more Mexicans are in places like California, the more California looks like Mexico. I guess I could pull a page from your book and say that you need to remove your Anglo chauvinist glasses, but that’s a crappy way of debating.

    And culture is irrelevant, in case you didn’t figure it out. The purpose of it is to improve a group, not make it worse off. And being ethnically replaced doesn’t really make you better off. I guess I should give up my house to someone and be glad if they live exactly like me, right? I mean, in the end, it’s about culture and as long as they do everything like me, I’m better off, even if I’m going to live on the street. This is your argument.

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  287. Oh, another thing, Gorbachev, you believe evolution is wrong? Because you can’t hold your beliefs and support evolution in the same time since they antagonize each other.

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  288. @Lily
    This ‘European’ superiority is frankly boring.

    I just find it insulting and galling to hear white supremacists and Eurofascists from Eastern Europe. Never were such attitudes of ethnic superiority less justified.

    I’ve got nothing against Eastern European cultures or people per se, they’re exactly the same as anyone else anywhere in the world on the face of it, people are people, whatever, we all bleed and we all want food and water and sex and sleep.

    I’m possibly picking on Rebelliousvanilla for the faults of her countrymen but she sounds like she’s cut from the same cloth.

    I thought I escaped that when I left France. The fully unjustified contempt the Eastern Europeans have for everything Western is shockingly sad. As if Byelorussia had ever done, well, fuck-all.

    I remember sitting with a very senior, well-educated Romanian official at an official dinner in Paris, and after a glass of wine or two, listening to him spout off about European Heritage and Superiority and European Blood and these Blacks and Gypsies and whatnot – the Serbs and Croats were just as bad, incidentally, and would have killed each other as soon as shake hands – and later, when the guests had split up, listening to the French and Germans talk about how maybe the fall of the Iron Curtain wasn’t such a good thing, and they were only half-joking. After wine, they said how sad and wholly pathetic these Eastern Europeans were, pretending like they were actually European:

    “Hey Hey! Notice Me! It’s You And Me Against All the Dark People!” Like they had to be Uber-Racially Identified to be part of the Group.

    When people talk about the Europeanization of the world, or Racial Europe, they mean Western Europe, and in a global sense they really just mean England. Seriously. It’s just the bald, naked truth of it. Eastern Europe doesn’t figure at all except as the border place where nasty shit is generated.

    BTW, the Romanians are the worst of the lot: the most hypocritical, the most xenophobic, the most self-delusional. There was Ceaucescu and his Genius Breeding Machine, and the retarded delusions of grandeur that just never seemed to dry up. Potempkin republics, the entire Balkans. Like a political black hole.

    The Western European industrialists I knew had this attitude when it came to Eastern Europe: “Like, welcome to the club, 500 years late, or what? Maybe you’ll make really good cheap labor. We all need worker slaves, saves us from going to China. Just don’t get uppity. Nice cute little Pseudo-Europeans. Some of your women are hot, we’ll keep them as mistresses.”

    But to see them get all Racially Superior – it is to laugh, and laugh loud and hard. Germans, on the other hand – hard to dismiss easily. But even – especially – the Koreans have better claim to feeling superior than anyone in Eastern Europe other than the Poles and the Russians. And Korea was stone-age 50 years ago, poorest country in Asia, not even a rail line left by the Japanese.

    The tiny island of Britain or even the half-submerged microstate of Holland each bury the entire cultural output of all of Eastern Europe and its illusions of European Superiority. Thanks for coming out.

    If you’re going to get racially superior, and lob rocks at anyone, make sure your house isn’t made of tar paper and mud bricks.

    I remember that dinner and a number of others like it. As an American, I found the European continental view confounding. Everyone was so crippled by their own histories and twisted, localized identities, cracked and warped beyond recognition, and almost all of it was artificial anyway: Serbs and Croats are, to anyone not Serb or Croat, exactly the same people. And now we have Montenegro, go figure.

    It was pathetic more than anything else. If militant xenophobic bloodlust and fratricidal hallucinogenic violence wasn’t such a noted Eastern European “racial” characteristic it would just be comical. But alas, when Albanian Croatian Hungarian Bosnian Romanian Macedonian Crimean Moldovan Insert Random Ex-Communist MicroEthnicity Here) cutthroats and scam artists are mashing it up with the gutter trash of Morocco in the streets of Paris, or with the Turks in Bremen, it gets significantly less amusing awful fast. And the fact that Germany is still trying to assimilate the hopelessly slow and lazy and “racist” East Germans isn’t helping much.

    Communism really trashed Europe, man. Churchill had it half right: “We stuck the wrong pig” – Should have been: “We forgot to stick the other pig.”

    And it stuns me how Balkan types and continental Europeans are just so mired in this shite. If we’re going to go all racially superior here, I’d have to say the Peruvian Indians have it on anyone in the Balkans, historically, especially as they were cursed by the Spanish as colonizers.

    If we’re going to go full HBD and discuss Race, we should face facts and admit that not all Europeans are equal. Eastern European women may be eminently more fuckable than most (at least a goodly proportion of the East-Eastern Europeans), but barring the occasional Tesla or Catherine the Great (not a Slav, by the way), relatively few accomplishments or smarts worthy of note ever come out of the place.

    Take away Western Europe and you basically have a runty (and not very interesting) extension of the Ottoman and Russian empires. For God’s sake, *Ireland* culturally produced and produces more than most of the Balkans together. It’s an island of 3 million people. At most it had, what, 5 million 150 years ago.

    So for Eastern Europeans – especially Balkan types – to start getting all Racially Superior and lecturing anyone anywhere on the planet about ethnic relations or racial politics is a farce.

    Eastern Europe is completely Pwned. If they’re very lucky, places like Romania will be willingly subservient and docile slave states for their true and actually worthy master, Germany. They can have all the racial and cultural purity they want, so long as they serve diligently.

    And the French can sit behind their French Academy Maginot Line and keep the purity of their language intact with their own peculiar (resentful) anti-Anglo worldview while English-speakers continue to create the modern world, for better or for worse.

    My point for you, RV, is that whether the Japanese/Koreans/Romanians/Serbs/French/Anglo Supremacists like it or not, the world is a multiethnic place. All people are essentially human, we all have to live together, work together, and in the English world, we have some experience doing this and are better at it than anyone else in the history of history. And we’re going to keep on being good at it. A few missteps in the Unites States for a generation or two won’t derail this. It’s a superior cultural model and it worked in varying forms throughout history. The Metics made Athens a better place. Alexandria was better off for its Jews. Rome was great because it remained Roman when there was almost no Roman blood in the city left.

    In a multiracial world, there are smart folk everywhere, some more than others. We made a mistake once: We imported slaves from the dregs of Africa, and then we had to live with them. We have to suck it up and face the situation and remedy it constructively.

    When it comes to immigration, if we’re not going to have babies then we need immigrants of the right quality and we need to convert them. We should take the smart ones from wherever we can. Just make them English.

    That’s actually a practical – doable- plan. And it would utterly blindside the PC nutcases. And it’s also acceptable Eugenics, too, instead of racially blinded ethnic ideology.

    Making little racial homelands sounds like nothing more than a better way to fuck over the planet, yet again.

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  289. @Ryder
    This is simply untrue. What is undeniably true is that proper investigation of these issues is discouraged in a politically correct culture.

    There’s not a lot of evidence. It’s sparse and the evidence for vast numbers of Indians on -on the order of 100+ million, depending on which areas you count and counting all of the large civilizations – and the actual “white” people remains are contentious, scattered, occasional at best, and don’t represent populations. There’s bad evidence for Chinese/Japanese cultural contact, too. If you can find any evidence for the widespread or significant peopling of the Americas by Caucasian people before the Vikings, please find it and send it to me – it would be of huge interest to me. The fact that disease had the impact it did suggests no widespread cultural contact or population transfer, beyond sporadic or episodic or accidental contact, which was certainly possible.

    Gorbachev: “And, anyway, there’s no reason to worry about it: The mere presence of people here before Americans is irrelevant. Americans took it over. Period.”

    Dude, have you been living under a rock or what? It is a tremendously important part of politically correct ideology that the Indians were here first, and that whites were evil usurpers.

    And these PC idiots are just that: Idiots.

    This is both used to guilt trip whites and secure enormous financial goodies for Indians. It has tremendous real world consequences.

    Undermine it. Yes, the Indians were here first. So what? We took it. Hoot dee doo.

    Get yourself an army and go punish us 8 generations after the fact, why don’t you. No reason to be mean to Natives now, but please – the PCers have power because we give it to them. Just take down their arguments where they’re weakest.

    Gorbachev: “But the questions of history should be left to archaeologists, and racial theorists, mythical history addicts and political axe-grinders should just butt out. All of them.”
    As opposed to those that have absolutely no grasp of how political ideology works in the real world, as a means of control and power?

    Not everyone falls for PC crap. Don’t fool yourself. Indians don’t get all that much and their lives generally suck. If the sad, mostly genetically white remnants of the Passamaquody want to run a casino, who cares. Really.

    Gorbachev: “The English people lost a huge amount through the extermination of the native North Americans.”
    LOL! Yeah, maybe we could have been a huge Peru or Venezuela instead.

    We could have stripped the cultures of their achievements, absorbed them, and doubled it up. We did that with the Celts. Also bagged a lot in India. The Indians (here) were better pickings. Some were pretty impressive. We steamrolled when we should have cherry-picked.

    That would have been really great, what a lost opportunity. Gorbachev, do facts or reality remotely enter into your worldview? Those countries that ended up with the largest Indian populations…suck. Impoverished, corrupt, disastrous. Taking your advice is like taking poison. Woe to the countries that did.

    Wrong: The problems with those countries was that they were colonized by the Spanish. They’re politically inept and incompetent. They created rancho and hacienda economies and wrecked whatever they touched. No better than land pirates.

    The English would have lifted up places like the Yucatan and Chiapas and Guatemala. The Spanish fucked over every place they visited.

    I don’t blame you for the mistake, race is the easiest thing to see. You just missed the critical ingredient n the failure of these places. They were colonized by the wrong people.

    (And don’t throw English Africa back at me; that’s a different kettle of fish).

    Gorbachev: “Demographically: The English people were rarely ever defined by race. English-speakers who do Englishy things are English.”
    Absolutely untrue. When the English people began to encounter non-whites in significant numbers, racial lines were rapidly drawn. Anti-miscegenation laws go back to the 1600′s. Racial lines were drawn wherever the English settled in significant numbers, from Australia to Virginia. Earlier than that, other people such as the Moors were understood to be of a different race. In fact, one can hardly understand a play like Othello without grasping this.

    When it came to black people, yes. But not Indians. There was so much interbreeding with Indians, as one Canadian pointed out to me today, it’s difficult to find a white Canadian of “old stock” without some Indian blood in there somewhere. Americans during the early periods had huge defections of people to Indian communities; and most Indian Eastern communities were intermarried into and just absorbed by numbers.

    Blacks were a different story.

    Add in Asians in California and Hawaii. They’re mixing almost freely, now. I expect their ethnic identities aren’t going to last much longer without huge immigration influxes.

    And white genes seem to win out still, when you look at the babies.

    (again, blacks here are a different story)

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  290. @rebelliousvanilla

    Who was where first is utterly irrelevant since the only territorial claim that one can make is with guns and tanks.

    I’ve always agreed with this, as you know,

    Gorbachev, yet Mexico is an unmitigated shithole while Spain isn’t.

    Mexico has been singularly unlucky, and its Spanish-blood governing class has not reformed, like Spain has. Spain was a shithole too, until 40 years ago. The rest of Europe dragged it up by example. Mexico has a racially divided society. The elite have always done well, and see nothing wrong with Mexico as it is. They serve Mexico very poorly. The useless, parasitic Conquistadores are still there.

    And the more Mexicans are in places like California, the more California looks like Mexico. I guess I could pull a page from your book and say that you need to remove your Anglo chauvinist glasses, but that’s a crappy way of debating.

    It is, but it’s not necessarily just leveled at you. My Anglo glasses still say – the Mexicans are convertible. We should never have left when we took Chapultepec and we should have stayed in Mexico City. Mexico and the Mexicans would be better off, and we likely would be too. Almost all of North America for us, then.

    And culture is irrelevant, in case you didn’t figure it out. The purpose of it is to improve a group, not make it worse off. And being ethnically replaced doesn’t really make you better off. I guess I should give up my house to someone and be glad if they live exactly like me, right? I mean, in the end, it’s about culture and as long as they do everything like me, I’m better off, even if I’m going to live on the street. This is your argument.

    Not at all. I get what you’re saying. You’re just arguing from a zero-sum position. We’re not China; we have lots of room and lots of social job levels. Like Italians working their way up, we can steal the babies of the Mexican immigrants, let a few things slide, have Cinco de Mayo celebrations and make new Anglos.

    We’re good at this. People panic too much. The trick is to lock out the truly useless ones, hunt them down and deport them. Create a fake admission system that seems to be fair but only lets in the ones that have moxy and smarts. Then the rest will work hard to get in.

    Make them fight for it. Let them select themselves.

    Getting all ethnically resentful and protective just makes us look stupid and racist. We can achieve the same thing (with some border porosity) with less fuss and then have the people who come here praise us for it.

    It’s win-win. Suck off the best of the cream and let the rest imagine they might just get in if they try hard (and then don’t let most in).

    Immigration can be made to work properly if it’s done, … cleverly.

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  291. @rebelliousvanilla
    Oh, another thing, Gorbachev, you believe evolution is wrong? Because you can’t hold your beliefs and support evolution in the same time since they antagonize each other.

    Please illustrate. I’m all ears.

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  292. Bravo. Having intelligent patriotism for one’s country is sexy. I question those that don’t.

    “It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds.”

    –Samuel Adams

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  293. Gorbachev, the sad truth of the matter though is that the places where Mexicans move in America are becoming more and more like Mexico and less and less like America. Take California, for example, which is an unmitigated mess educationally wise compared to how it was 30 years ago. I believe it’s among the least ten educated states in the US.

    And the problem is that no matter how you classify people by culture, genetically they are still English only if they are descendants of the English. Anyway, related to evolution, what you believe decreases the genetic fitness of the group that believes it and increases the genetic fitness of other groups, so you either don’t believe in evolution properly and believe in the tabula rasa we are equal thing based on faith(which is sort of like the Jesus of liberals) or you don’t really care about who “wins”(which sort of puts you in the same boat related to evolution). Basically, your posts sound like nothing more than a post hoc justification of what you support based on different things than what you say.

    Oh, and you also pick only parts of history that you like and ignore those that you don’t. It is kind of funny, actually. And by the way, with how things are heading, the United States won’t even exist as a country anymore by 2025.

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  294. Grampa, if you want to test the degree of mixing, you don’t test only one group. You test all the groups. Quite a few technically Black people are “lost” once they can pass for White. So if you want to know what really went on, test the White people. Last I heard, something like 30-35% of Whites in the U.S. who’ve been tested have at least one recent (as in within the past 400 years) Black ancestor, and many many more have at least partial Native American ancestry.

    This research says that the probability is likely something like 21% of people classified as White having some recent African ancestry.

    https://kb.osu.edu/dspace/bitstream/1811/4532/1/V58N03_155.pdf

    Ryder, so the Revolution was just because folks were bored, right?

    Look, you’re welcome to believe whatever you like, but I’m a numbers and science person when it comes to these things. If the scientists and researchers are lying, I have no way of knowing, but you have equal or less chance of knowing either.

    So if I concede that we could both be misinformed or guessing, then I’ll give you my opinion on the matter.

    I’m from the U.S. and love the U.S. but I don’t live in the U.S. I am the kind of person who, as Nietzsche would say, looks to the land of my sons, not the land of my fathers. So I will go wherever it suits me and the host government will allow, to ensure the best life I can provide for myself and my descendants.

    Currently, the wherever is Israel. Bonus, there is no chance of my or my daughter breeding with a psychological sheep who is with her to please his mommy. See, for us, it’s actually better if there are certain barriers since the ability to think independently is, provided the science is correct, genetic.

    So really, the racial issue is peripheral for me. It’s fascinating anthropology like when one goes to live among a tribe of cannibals, which is exactly what I think of most humans. Some are just better at it than others.

    You may disbelive, and perhaps this is better for you, since the idea of a subset of humanity that is more happily and sanely competitive and predatory than socially dependent and cannibalistic tends to be hard to imagine. However, since you are easily convinced that your life will be better if only some great leader would sweep you up into a White Neverland, you will serve someone’s purposes quite nicely.

    If such a land did exist, others under their shepherds could use you as villainous boogeymen who people must obey the government in order to repel.

    Every one of you has your part to play…but there is a price to play.

    I am not the flea on any cat. I’m more like a killer whale who is dependent on the condition of the ocean to survive. So my interest in these subjects is because I don’t want to see the water around me polluted to the point that I cannot swim and eat in peace…not totally detached, but aware that in any group, people like me are outsiders because of how we think, not how we look.

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  295. I see…looks like we’ve got one of those Europeans who would love to see the U.S. fail, pontificating on what they believe to be our problem.

    If the U.S. falls, it’ll be because of money, not because of race. There’s really no need to worry about the genetic fitness of any group since people choose from among those they believe to be the most genetically fit that they can afford or get anyway.

    The vast majority of people won’t breed with someone they view as unfit. So that’s an issue that takes care of itself IF, that is, males are allowed to do what males do and seek out traits that they like in females.

    Everyone who goes “master race” including the “stay Black” who are so for more than aesthetic reasons, ultimately seeks to control the sexual behavior of males. They don’t want men to be free to choose. This gives women more power because they have exclusive access to males within their ethnicity or nationality.

    Might as well call it what it is: fear of annihilation by women of other ethnicities.

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  296. @Gorbachev
    “The PCers are contemptible, but the racial theorists and no-apology conquistador worshipers are equally foolish. The strength of the English has always been in subjugated diversity. Why exterminate, when you can convince your Inferiors that they’re better off being your cultural subjects? This is where the English people have scored in history. It’s also why other Europeans – especially those from Eastern Europe – just don’t get it. That’s a game the French tried, but failed to succeed at; the Germans never understood; and the Russians admired but couldn’t manage and never had the heart for, having a half-Asiatic/Imperialist mindset.

    You’ve got to see: The British Empire was qualitatively different from any other, and it reflected the quirky and unique characteristics of the English peoples. Other Europeans just don’t get this. They never did. They only see a power-structure. This is the mistake other Europeans and Asians make when they look at the English-speaking world.”

    You are putting your English friends on a pedestal. The logistics of conquering a fairly big island nation is a huge logistical problem in medieval Europe. Put them somewhere in between France and Germany and your colonial escapades would be drastically different. Another example would be in Asia, Japan.

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  297. If the child is wanted, and can be taken care of, i can see no grounds for chosing away life, none. its justified if you will be a good parent. Life is to precious to throw away becasue of what the kid will be thought to feel by society.
    I think its more unjustified to be a couple and give birth to 7 children and then not be able to take care fo them, or being a bad parent.
    And I am not against abortion, i am against a mother or father choosing abortion to protect the individual from eventual pain, not everyone feels unhappy with being raised by a single parent, including me.

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  298. @Gorbachev

    Could you suggest some books to read?

    I’m in the middle of The 10,000 Year Explosion and I finished Guns, Germs and Steel which was just OK — longer than it needed to be.

    Thanks.

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  299. @rebelliousvanilla

    Hey.

    Gorbachev, the sad truth of the matter though is that the places where Mexicans move in America are becoming more and more like Mexico and less and less like America. Take California, for example, which is an unmitigated mess educationally wise compared to how it was 30 years ago. I believe it’s among the least ten educated states in the US.

    Or Miami, you forgot Miami. I totally agree with you. We’re letting too many in and we’re not assimilating them. We need to assimilate them with much less tact and more incentives. It can be done. The basic theory isn’t bad. The method is. The PC crowd have crippled us – temporarily.

    But they can be co-opted.

    I believe in the carrot and the stick: Both. Racists and conservatives like the Stick. PCers can’t decide if they like carrots or not. I say both work best when used together.

    The whole illegal immigration thing is hard to fight. We can’t just build walls. We need to be smart and think long-term and be consistent. We need to take positive – not negative – control of this, and make the whole Latin American hordes problem work for us. Treat it like a Crisitunity.

    This would do it, and not take much political capital, just some balls:

    Educate them. That starts the cull. Find something useful for the remainder to do. There are lots of grapes to pick. Get them minimum wage (so what: the grapes cost more) and tax them and then help them become English. They then have to behave as well as normal citizens.

    Bilingualism: Gone. Education in English only. No exceptions. You’re doing the Hispanic population a huge favor. They can speak Spanish at home and on holiday. No other-language government services.

    Social Services: None for any illegal immigrants. Cut them off entirely. No benefits of any kind whatsoever, including schools. No library cards. No exceptions. Nothing. Legal Hispanic immigrants are treated like anyone else, normal citizens. Illegals are given nothing. No incentive to be here.

    I’d like this: Jobs: Nail any companies or individuals who hire illegal workers to the wall. Fines like 2x their gross annual income, to be repaid in property immediately and income for the balance. Ream them. No mercy: if necessary, bankrupt them and sell off their assets.

    Random encounters: Anyone without papers who gets caught needs to go before a judge and if they’ve made good, say over 10 years without getting caught and no crimes and etc., and they’re supporting themselves and their dependents well, let them stay and legalize them. Crush their (former) employers. This is a non-punishing award for being successful and wily. We’ll call this “Acquired Status – exemption” or something. Keep the industrious, smart ones, lose the losers.

    Everyone else gets deported immediately – as soon as any prison terms are spent (work camps: Light work, more to drive the point home than anything else). And it has to be No Exceptions.

    – Returning illegal immigrants are imprisoned for, say, 10 years, in a real prison, then deported again.

    Arm the border, heavily. It’s just Mexico: It’s doable.

    BALANCE IT WITH:

    – A points system for immigration. Non-racist. Make it relatively difficult to get in unless you have education or useful skills. This will automatically select for groups we like by its very nature, and let in the best of the rest.

    Upshot: The rifraff we don’t want, but get right now, will all be gone. This sort of system is “neutral” and fair, so the PCers can’t complain about it without shooting themselves in their collective feet. We open it up to Australian Aborigines and Nigerian princes. Who do you think will get in? Mostly Europeans and Asians, probably. That’s fine. We only want the smart ones, anyway. Some smart Africans will get in. We’ll skim the cream off the top, very nice, good for us.

    (The real losers will be the stupid/lower class Americans, many Black Americans, etc., but they’re … anyway, many are just lot causes as it is; we need to think to the future, and manage our domestic problems).
    —–
    Next note:

    We only need to keep *Mexico* happy. The other countries in Latin America are irrelevant to this debate. Treat them the same way we treat Bangladesh or China. We can even help Mexico police its southern border. We need to co-operate much more closely with everything within Mexico. They’re a natural ally and buffer state. We need to cultivate this as much as possible. Make it a Special Relationship. Help them fight corruption, etc. Whatever they want. Fucking drag them kicking and screaming out of their shithole.

    It’s really our only option. Start with basic principles and work up from there.

    Treating Mexico as a Place Where Bad Things Come From hasn’t helped us. We need to partner with them.

    – Cut a sweet deal with Mexico: Anyone with education and smarts gets to apply for a special Mexico-US Visa (we can throw Canada in for good measure, to make it seem neutral) and professional people can move back and forth. Americans south (hah), Mexicans north. Watch the brain drain start.

    BTW, this totally buys off the intellectual/moneyed class in Mexico, and gives us huge amounts of influence. We’ll end up running the place.

    It’s a TEMPORARY work visa, but it makes them trackable once in the US. Hand out a certain (large) number every year. Make it renewable for, say, 5 years. No citizenship granted. They have to go home, with their American connections and lots of business contacts and etc. Can only be good for us and gives us lots of Mexican allies and friends who start to like us. Long-term, it helps Mexico hugely and us immensely.

    – Because there’s a legal way, the illegal way gets less tempting. They’ll start to fight for the legal admission. make them work for it. Then take the best. Arrest anyone else who tries. This will now be philosophically consistent and very fair.

    – Introduce a low-wage Agricultural Worker program. Same deal, they get a visa. Expand it to all states: Make American agriculture more efficient through cheaper labor, then send the workers home with their money. They get to work, send the money home. They can reapply the next year, the next season. No benefits, but no taxes (low wage).

    – Other countries: Points system only applies. Romanians and Ugandans in the same line. Only those who pass the points system get in.

    All education: Only in English. In every state. Exceptions: native people on their own territory. If they’re smart, they’ll learn English.

    And the problem is that no matter how you classify people by culture, genetically they are still English only if they are descendants of the English.

    Then do the Scots count?

    I don’t see a problem here. I wouldn’t genetically call them anything at all. If the color shifts, fine. Make sure the next Peter Jennings at least speaks English.

    Anyway, related to evolution, what you believe decreases the genetic fitness of the group that believes it and increases the genetic fitness of other groups, so you either don’t believe in evolution properly and believe in the tabula rasa we are equal thing based on faith(which is sort of like the Jesus of liberals) or you don’t really care about who “wins”(which sort of puts you in the same boat related to evolution). Basically, your posts sound like nothing more than a post hoc justification of what you support based on different things than what you say.

    Okay. I look at it this way.

    No country can stop illegal immigration without a bloody war and lots of death. And once you go down that road, there’s no way out.

    If you select the best from anywhere, you’re not going to damage your genetic stock. Or not much. You also get hybrid vigor. You get trade contacts. You get cultural adaptivity.

    You overestimate the genetic fitness. There’s enough randomness to keep it all flowing nicely. Genetic purity is meaningless. Suck all the smart people (no matter how few) out of Africa and then take them only and we won’t be losing.

    I’m a total Eugenics supporter. I studied evolution. I;m an HBDer. I’m just not simplistic enough in my beliefs to think that what people look like is the be-all and end-all.

    If we suck in people and make them culturally English (with some foreign spice), and then pick the smart ones when we do and the interesting and useful cultures, then *we* win.

    If we just sit here and bitch about Hispanic people and force them to hide in the shadows and rub black people in the face – then we lose for sure.

    It’s a tide. Either we can ride it profitably and turn it to our advantage or we can piss into the ocean and see what difference it makes.

    The English have managed it before, we can do it again. We just need some fucking balls and that old wily cleverness.

    Use the PC arguments against themselves, buy them off, and proceed apace.

    Retreating behind iron walls of visible race and creating a police state helps no-one. It would never, ever work in a pragmatic way.

    If we want to win this sad genetic/evolutionary game, we need to work with what we have and bend like a reed and snap back when the wind dies down – not like a brittle twig that snaps when to much force is applied.

    Racists always miss the point. We need to be politically smart and flexible. We’re just crippled right now. But it’s not hopeless and all is not lost, not by a long shot.

    Oh, and you also pick only parts of history that you like and ignore those that you don’t. It is kind of funny, actually. And by the way, with how things are heading, the United States won’t even exist as a country anymore by 2025.

    Of course I do that – there are lots of failed states that tried this, too. But there are lots of failed states, period. Take a look around where you are. How many Thracians or Dacians do you see?

    Or Lombards in Italy?

    People have been saying this shit about every English country for 200 years. It never fails, and we’ve never failed to not fail.

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  300. @Stateside
    Could you suggest some books to read?

    I’m in the middle of The 10,000 Year Explosion and I finished Guns, Germs and Steel which was just OK — longer than it needed to be.

    Yeah, Jared Diamond is like me in one way: He goes on and on. But his thesis is good, if not iron-clad.

    Mind the Gap: Tracking the Origins of Human Universality
    Pinker: The Blank Slate
    Pinker: The Language Instinct (awesome)
    Pinker: The Stuff of Thought
    Dawkins: Everything he’s written. There’s lots. He rocks.
    Not a Chimp
    Darwin (actually a good read, very entertaining)
    An Ancestor’s Tale
    – Anything on the Mississippians and Hopewellians (middle-american Natives – or, come to think of it, also the South East)
    How My Ancestors Colonized North America
    The Blind Watchmaker

    Whatever, I can’t think of more now. I’ll think when I get home.

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  301. on July 7, 2010 at 3:11 am White Woman

    Gorb-and they say women talk to much. You’re killing me dude.

    Here’s a website to get you started (it’s by no means comprehensive but it’s an easy read) regarding Egyptians, Libyans and Celtic Iberians living together in a colony in Iowa in 800 B.C. http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/stonesecrets.html

    Why is Mexico our problem btw? Your wasting your breath discussing it anyway…the plan is to over-run the US with non-Europeans because Europeans are EVIL (yeah right).

    Ever notice that no one provides incentives (welfare and so on) for non-Africans to move to Africa or non-Asians to move to Asian but Europe and the US. (up until recently, peopled by mostly Europeans) must accept and pay for everyone, legal or not or they are considered dirty racists.

    Does anyone have any idea why this is?

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  302. That being said, if I were on that rooftop bar in a feminist-controlled country and the women were the best looking in view (including the view over the terrace onto the street), I would probably chuckle noticeably after the two other guys left in a huff and say “looks like they were a bit too patriotic for you” with a big smile.

    They would laugh and assume I was a fellow lefty (there are too many left wing males in the west but not enough by half to accommodate the left wing women – but I would use this “lack of similar thinking men” reality to try to get them both in bed simultaneously).

    Like Roosh I would ask if they’ve ever been to Ghana or Uruguay, but I would then laugh and say I haven’t been there either. I wouldn’t embarrass them but I would ease out of the banter if a better looking woman arrived.

    If I were still interested, I would do a DHV in describing the sinking of Graf Spee in Montevideo harbor, including the heroic actions of the ship’s captain against the Nazi command to save his men.

    This would show I actually know something about Uruguay which I can guarantee they would know nothing about.

    I did OK with lefty women in California until I came down hard in favor of the Iraq War. That forced me into involuntary celibacy for awhile. The Iraq War is no longer the issue it was when my opinion about it got me rejected by too many women in San Francisco.

    I regret not accommodating left wing women more when I had no other choice but to associate with them at that time.

    Then again, when I lived in San Francisco I ended up with the hottest Russian exchange student imaginable. There was ultimately no need to accommodate an aging left winger.

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  303. @White Woman
    Gorb-and they say women talk to much. You’re killing me dude.</I.

    Hm. I'd apologize except that I'm not in the habit. But I probably should.

    Here’s a website to get you started (it’s by no means comprehensive but it’s an easy read) regarding Egyptians, Libyans and Celtic Iberians living together in a colony in Iowa in 800 B.C. http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/stonesecrets.html

    Hey, I’ve gone over this material at some length, and some other related material I’ve found. While fascinating, unless there’s a Black Ops conspiracy involving abductions and brainwave mind control, a lot of this sounds relatively bogus.

    For example:
    Fell finally proved to his satisfaction that the Polynesian inscriptions were written in the native language, Maori. But its vocabulary was a mixture of Greek and Egyptian that was once spoken in Libya after Alexander the Great conquered Egypt. The alphabet was derived from Carthage.
    The most remarkable of these Libyan texts was found in a huge cave in New Guinea. There a navigator named Maui left drawings of ancient but sophisticated astronomical and navigational instruments, as well as a depiction of a solar eclipse that enabled Fell, with the help of Harvard astronomers, to identify the year of the drawings as 232 B.C.

    If 1% of any of this was true, because the remarkable claims go on for pages after pages, it represents an alternate history of the Earth from a parallel dimension.

    Seriously, I’d have to actually see these stelae that have been discovered all over the Americas. And touch them. They don’t appear to exist. No scholar of any repute from any school anywhere has lent his ear to these stories, which seem to have had their heyday in the 1970’s and whatever’s been written about them since is couched in conspiracy theory and coverup.

    Smells, … fishy.

    I’d go with the Olmec Stone Heads being slightly “negroid” in appearance first.

    And I’ve read as well that despite claims, no Ogham inscriptions have actually been found. Scholars would go nuts for actual evidence, but for all the claims, I could find no references or examples – just claims from unscholarly sources.

    Lots of Mormons, too – again, lots of conspiracy talk, about Christians hiding the truth of the Book Of Mormon’s alternate human history.

    I admit it’s intriguing, but without any evidence, even in the articles, it’s hard to say anything. On the other hand, the evidence that the Indians built huge civilizations here on their own is overwhelming in the extreme.

    I can understand the wish to believe this kind of thing, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Or at least clear and simple evidence.

    If you have the time, see if you can dig up any harder facts as opposed to claims on the web. I’d be very interested to know more but don’t have time to search. Actual evidence would be worth it.

    Why is Mexico our problem btw? Your wasting your breath discussing it anyway…the plan is to over-run the US with non-Europeans because Europeans are EVIL (yeah right).

    I don’t think this is an actual plan. I think the left is actually just retarded and can’t think clearly. All of their ideas are self-contradictory on basic levels.

    Ever notice that no one provides incentives (welfare and so on) for non-Africans to move to Africa or non-Asians to move to Asian but Europe and the US. (up until recently, peopled by mostly Europeans) must accept and pay for everyone, legal or not or they are considered dirty racists.

    We invented the Welfare State (we Westerners). The Koreans aren’t convinced of its usefulness. Neither are the Japanese. You don’t get shit over there for free.

    All we need to do is un-invent it.

    There’s no Big Conspiracy. It’s just contingent history.

    Senegal doesn’t provide welfare, … for anyone. Why we do is something of a different question. Its motivation wasn’t to Blackify the world. Kinda works out that way in a sense.

    You’re looking for hard cause and effect when most of the time it’s accidental side effects of things that weren’t meant to do X. And huge amount of disagreement and left-hand-not-knowing-what-right-hand-is-doing.

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  304. Although Uruguay was defeated last night, the story of the Graf Spee would still segway into a World Cup narrative with a woman.

    The ship was like the Bismarck as one of the most hated sinkers of British merchant ships on the high seas in WW2. It was finally crippled in a 3 on 1 battle and limped into Montevideo harbor where they were allowed 72 hours to try to conduct repairs. The British merchant ships in Montevideo harbor quickly hightailed it out to sea for obvious reasons while British warships headed for the international waters outside the harbor.

    The German captain of the battleship, Hans Langsdorff, was not only under orders from Hitler to try to fight his way to Buenes Aires in Argentina, which was more pro-Nazi, he was supposed to also punish Uruguay for giving him only 72 hours for repairs by shelling the city of Montevideo itself!

    Langsdorff was a man’s man. He had a record of not letting anyone drown on the merchant ships he stopped and sank. All the prisoners he took admired him. At the funeral for the German sailors who were killed in the battle that crippled his ship, he gave the naval salute while the Germany embassy staff around him gave the Hitler salute.

    His former prisoners, now freed because the ship was in a neutral country, attended the funeral of the German sailors! That is how much he was liked.

    He refused to shell Montevideo and he refused to let his 1000 man crew die in a futile attempt to try to make it to Buenes Aires with a crippled ship against a growing contingent of British warships. He scuttled the Graf Spee.

    I just wish he hadn’t committed suicide a few days later. Does anyone know if Hitler blackmailed him to do that by threatening Langsdorff’s family back home in Germany?

    PS: Stories like this, that highlight how good a man can be, reflect to a woman back on the storyteller.

    A woman hearing the above would assume that the man telling her about it would also have such admirable traits and wouldn’t, for instance, love her and leave her. 😉

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  305. Jerry,

    Hats off if you managed to pick up a girl with that story.

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  306. @ Jerry

    Great story. You absolutely must read the Diary of an Anonymous U-boat commander. It’s the #1 WWII romance; the only thing in nonfiction that compares with Shakespeare’s <a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext97/1ws1610.txt&quot; Romeo and Juliet.

    A much needed boot in the ass for PUA’s who don’t understand love.

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  307. @ Jerry

    Great story. You absolutely must read the Diary of an Anonymous U-boat commander. It’s the #1 WWII romance; the only thing in nonfiction that compares with Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet.

    A much needed boot in the ass for PUA’s who don’t understand love.

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  308. Here is a great compilation of Mad Men seduction scenes:

    http://holykaw.alltop.com/the-mad-men-school-of-seduction-video

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  309. @Gorbachev

    Fascinating essays…but you left out how the west has been destroyed by feminism. I know you think Germany is not as feminist as the USA but I beg to differ because I have spent most of my adult life in Germany.

    This particular post points out how at least 2 out of 3 women in Western Europe and the USA actually think and behave. These early 30s women actually believed the fantasy that they weren’t already over the hill and/or in desperate need of accommodating men for the fact that 2 out of 3 western men are conservative politically.

    I’ve seen very few posters above claim that the two women in the rooftop bar were worth seducing and that the two men had failed because of lack of good game skills.

    2 out of 3 women in Germany and England are not worth gaming because of their feminist attitude.

    You can talk friendly with a German woman for 30 minutes and she will give you her [email protected] email address and phone number…and she will probably totally flake when you contact her. Try to criticize feminism to a left wing German women and see what happens.

    All successful German males I know date/marry East European women. They do not think of these women as lowly mistresses. Quite the opposite.

    Meanwhile, an Eastern Europe leaning towards Moscow is the best bulwark against Feminism that we white males have left.

    Women hate feminism here. Men pay very little *forced* child support plus the governments here want to subsidize new white baby creation, there is no such thing as sexual harassment and you will NEVER meet women like he describes above unless they’ve been Americanized by intensive English study and student exchanges in the USA.

    Feminism is at its weakest here while it is at its strongest in Western Europe and the USA (I’ve never been to Asia).

    IMHO, the superior culture is the anti-feminist one.

    Feminist cultures are doomed socially but somehow do OK economically. Germany is a feminist hell-hole I’m sorry to say (I wish this were not so as I speak fluent German and spent much of my life there).

    Sadly, Feminist Hell-Holes tend to be where most technological start-up firms locate themselves.

    I’ve never been able to understand this.

    Look at San Francisco and the Boston corridor and then look at Munich. These places have the nastiest feminists of all…I am astounded at how women in these places don’t try hard to meet the high-salaried young men in the high tech sector. Why do women hate men in precisely the places where new technology and new companies flourish?

    I could write a book about this if I only finally started to grasp why the best jobs and the worst women coincide in this world.

    It is not so easy to just say “The reason why men in Silicon Valley aren’t being chased after by the best looking young American women is because there are so many great men there for the women to choose from”.

    No, the best looking young women in San Francisco are trying to date losers their own age who have zero connection with startups and technology.

    You’d still expect colonies of young 9s and 10s heading to Silicon Valley to meet all the up and coming millionaires. They don’t do this.

    And I believe feminism is to blame. Feminism tells the young women to not think about going to the places where the most superior men might be.

    And, of course, all this is why I live in Eastern Europe where women behave more logically and gravitate toward the best men.

    And things aren’t going so badly economically either, thank God. This is a great place for new technology to grow.

    This was the other superpower in the 20th Century by the way.

    Russia put the first satellite in space as well as the first large mammal in space. They invented the periodic table. I can go on about that. They, unfortunately, defeated the US in Vietnam (a Pyrrhic Victory for them).

    Russia has had a habit of conquering Europe and only the USA kept them from owning it entirely 65 years ago just like they captured Paris after Napoleon shot his wad.

    Russia now needs to eliminate their visa requirement, however. That is holding them back like a shotgun blast to the foot.

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  310. @JB

    Yes…Zoe was executed by the Germans as an Allied spy. Here is the entire book (more than 75 years old means no copyright) which includes her farewell letter to the German U-Boat commander she loved:

    http://infomotions.com/etexts/gutenberg/dirs/etext05/7dubc10.htm

    I got a similar farewell letter from my former girlfriend before she died of cancer. Once someone has loved you like that, you don’t really worry too much whether this 9 or that 10 is going to go to bed with you.

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  311. @Jerry

    True that. I once had a ONS with a girl named Zoe. Not quite the same level of experience.

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  312. In some ways I’d rather live in a country where someone like Rebelliousvanilla is a leader. At least she wouldn’t be trying to please everyone and she would have the courage to make some tough decisions.

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  313. Laura, the problem is that some of those “tough” decisions would be far too selfish. Like most politicized racists, she is a feminist in the ways that count. Racism only benefits women.

    As a worldview or ideology separate from politics, it’s a personal preference that should be honored in the spirit of freedom of association. When it’s political, it’s an attempt to override natural selection.

    If you believe in HBD, then you have to believe that people deserve the freedom to select mates based on fitness and worthiness, natural status, rather than artificial status. People shouldn’t be forced to choose only within their own ethnicity because what if their culture sucks or goes through a period of sucking? The men should have the option of bringing in suitable women and reshaping the culture genetically and behaviorally, back into something they can live with, and leaving the entitled harpies to their cats.

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  314. Nicole, actually, no, individual choice doesn’t drive evolution alone. If we are to do what you say, a man shouldn’t be imprisoned for killing the babies of another man, for raping to impregnate another woman, a group shouldn’t mind killing off every single member of another group and so on. If you mind these, then it’s not just nature driving things and choice. Choice implies taking the consequences of your choices and if you want unfettered choices, the consequences should be unfettered too.

    Also, who men get laid with is absolutely irrelevant since they don’t give birth. I could care the less who white men screw, especially since there are far more many men than women. Actually, men mate guarding their women while knocking up women of other groups is a good thing.

    Gorbachev, hybrid vigor also comes with outbreeding depression, which in humans is fairly high if the genetic distance is big enough. If hybrid vigor is so peachy, African-Americans and Mexicans should be the best people in the world, yet they’re both unmitigated failures as human groups. Anyway, you can keep illegals out easily. You cn make a mine field across the border and implement something I wrote on my blog – you reward people who turn in those who hire illegals and fine the employers(basically you give the fine to those who turn employers in, including to the illegals) and you bar illegals from any social services and you make illegal immigration a jail sentence – and you reform jails so that people in jail do work, not sit on their asses. There, you’re done with illegal immigration for the most part. Banning them from ever becoming citizens helps too.

    Illegal immigration is hardly a problem if you want to address it. And you don’t really go to war over it either.

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  315. Nicole, as I said, natural selection implies that men are free to kill off the babies of other men, killing off another ethnic groups due to being superior military wise, raping women and so on. But I doubt you want that. And as I said, men of an ethnic group banging the women of another ethnic group isn’t a problem to the women in that ethnic group, it’s a problem to the men in the other ethnic group. You are really awful at understanding how this works. Men mate guarding their women = alpha; men having sex with women of another group = alpha; other men banging your women = beta. Basically, if you want unlimited choice, then you make the consequences of those choices unlimited too and repeal all the laws on the books.

    Also, freedom of association includes the freedom to exclude people from your polity or society. And it’s hilarious that you call someone a feminist that thinks women shouldn’t even vote(or that its normal that women should be whores and men studs if they sleep around). But again, this shows how utterly clueless you are and that you’re talking out of your ass. But again, you did it before too and all your posts are like this, so who cares, right?

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  316. Rebellious, until reliable birth control and legal abortion, who men had sex with was very relevant. Even with birth control, not everybody uses it reliably, and well…you’ll figure some things out when you’re older.

    Instinct is what it is, and if indeed you are a good girl, you will someday encounter guys who will take off condoms, shag you in a way that they break or slide off, or do what they do before you have a chance to say, “Are you wearing a condom?”

    …and that’s the sane ones. We won’t even get into crazy.

    Regardless of social concerns, the male sex drive is a awesome thing…and fearful and wonderful when it’s in full bloom. When you’re a real woman, I’ll be blunt, dudes will try to get you pregnant consciously or unconsciously half because deep down they want you to have their babies, and half because they know this will bind you to them, even if they can’t marry you.

    Pulling out is as old as Moses, and fairly reliable. Yet, for some reason unplanned pregnancies happen all the time.

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  317. The French legislature is about to make wearing the full-face-veil illegal for Muslim women.

    But the French high court will likely say this can only be enforced for public transport and public buildings.

    Still, the people of France, like the people of the USA, don’t care about what the courts might say when they force their lawmakers to make legislation.

    The *feminists* of France are the main drive behind this, not the far right whose anti-terrorism views about women wearing burkhas are secondary in the discussion.

    That is what concerns me.

    The French fems are saying that the law should come down hard against what they think are men telling their wives what to do and to separate themselves from other men (Muslim mate guarding, etc). A section of the new law will provide much higher penalties to the husbands of women caught with full-face-veils. Sure…maybe if that is because the husbands might be terrorists….but…

    I would favor not allowing burkhas in the subway or on buses, but I have zero problem with women deciding to be submissive to their husbands.

    If I were a French conservative, I would turn against this for that reason.

    But the French conservatives are too blind to see that, if the French feminists agree with them, there must be something wrong.

    The liberal French press wants the law to pass…which should be the biggest red flag to French conservatives to reconsider the wording.

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  318. There are only 2000 Muslim women in France who wear the full-face-veil. Among them would be the wives and daughters of the most strident Islamists.

    This new law (a similar one already passed in Belgium), at least, will be a huge punch in the stomach to Islamists who thought 10 years ago that the people of Europe would just lay down and let them take over.

    Still…it would be strategic to get Islamists on the side of men everywhere against feminism.

    Al Qaeda propaganda often talks of America as the place where Madonna kissed Brittany Spears while weak men applauded.

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  319. Rebellious, your “discipline begins at the top button” view of sexual politics is an irrational overreaction. Men in just about every country in the world are legally free to shag women of any ethnicity they choose, but are still not allowed to rape them.

    Most people stay among their own anyway, because that’s what people normally do. They don’t go seeking out foreign entertainment unless their culture designates and promotes certain groups as hot but disposable, they’re outliers capable of overriding cultural norms, or the women in their culture are stoopid.

    The latter is why there should be no anti miscgenation laws. If you and the vast majority of women in your culture are not doing your job, your men should have the option of getting with women who will. No law should restrict them.

    It isn’t a problem for men of that ethnicity because in every ethnicity there is a hierarchy, and the women who get scooped up by outsiders are usually the “excess” who don’t meet their own culture’s standards of beauty or suitability…like a non virgin single Arab girl.

    No Arab guy would marry her knowing she’s not a virgin, even if it’s because she was raped or fooled by a former fiance who dumped her. However, if she’s womanly and could do what a woman needs to do, she’d be perfect for a White guy who doesn’t care that she’s not a virgin so long as she’s a good woman.

    An incredibly scorching hot Black woman may get a lot of attention from Black men, but they might not like her attitude. A White guy though, who’s very alpha, might be used to dealing with hot chicks because he’s had more exposure to them. So he’s not going to get put off, and may consider it a challenge…or he might be sufficiently beta and be willing to give her all his money in exchange for what amounts to little more than bragging rights.

    Either way, neither of these misfit women would be missed by their peers. There’s plenty of pussy to go around, and nobody should actually attempt to stop the “spice” from flowing.

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  320. Nicole, most men, except white ones, also do some mate guarding, limiting the choice of women, not their own. When that happens, it’s normal for men not to rape. Your problem is that you want to squash the consequences of natural selection, which says that doing those things that I listed is fair and square, but not limit sexual choice. You have to make up your mind. If you limit those human behaviours, you limit the sexual competition that creates those behaviours too.

    And changing certain things at the top effect things drastically at the bottom. Obviously, you can’t directly change bottom behaviour and this is why it’s done indirectly.

    And no, men aren’t scarce reproductively. If white men shag other women I could care the less. The women give birth to the next generation, not the men. You have a lot more feminist thought than me, considering I’d let men shag whoever they want and have them mate guard their women too.

    Jerry, the problem isn’t what Islam does in France. The problem is that it’s there to begin with. And yes, sadly Muslim men are a lot more sane than European men in seeing that men and women are different and that men are supposed to do mate guarding. The fact that the implementations of these thoughts are utterly horrendous is part two.

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  321. is there anywhere on god’s green earth a more pathetic and less useful endeavor than arguing over race on the internet?

    just a tip to all you keyboard-jockeying white/black/hispanic/east asian/south asian/whatever nationalists: get a life. go out and do something useful with this very brief time that we are given on this earth. be your own person and stop trying to define yourself by the accomplishments of others who just happen to share the same skin color as you. it’s mad beta.

    isn’t this supposed to be a blog about picking up woman and social dynamics? i suppose that race and ethnicity is one possible prism through which to view the world, but it’s not the only one. and it is certainly not the most interesting one.

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  322. OK, changing the subject to a guy who declares a “Menaissance” or a “Return of the Retrosexual”:

    It starts out OK with a slam against Metrosexuals and “Dumb Dads” and admiration for the way the show “Mad Men” is teaching young males to respect their grandfathers over their baby boomer fathers (I’ve yet to see an episode from overseas).

    The speaker blames feminism but, within a split second, he apologizes for saying that, begging his audience of “men” to understand.

    He then foolishly explains that the only thing he’d change about what feminism has apparently done to us is…drum roll…we should start wearing suits like our grandfathers!

    In the comments I was glad to see that someone I don’t know, and certainly not me, said exactly what I would have said, calling it an “Epic Fail” and then listing specific things feminism has done to us that the speaker should have mentioned. Wearing suits like our grandfathers? WTF?

    If you want to see a real man discussing real issues regarding the feminist takeover of America, read Marc Rudov’s site weekly.

    Here is one of Rudov’s latest articles about the new Maryland law that says men need to be fingerprinted before chatting with foreign women online:

    http://thenononsenseman.com/article/2010/06/15/maryland-endorses-immigration-fraud-marc-h-rudov/

    Would that the phony in the “Return of the Retrosexual” video even knew about such issues.

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  323. Rebellious, what you’re talking about isn’t mate guarding. It’s guarding women who you don’t even want to mate with.

    Why should any guy bother?

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  324. Rebellious, I’ll let you in on a little known secret about Arab culture.

    Only young, single girls and adulteresses are killed in honor killings over sex. Once a girl is no longer a virgin, her potential as a wife is gone. If someone tries to rape a Muslim virgin or married woman, she is supposed to fight to the death. If it ends with her and/or the rapist still alive, then according to them, she consented.

    One of her male relatives is supposed to kill her. It’s technically un-Islamic to kill a woman for this without a trial, but many things about Arab culture are technically un-Islamic.

    No woman that I or any cop I know, knows of, has ever been honor-killed for being a divorced or “dishonored” single woman shagging half the town. They scare religious women with threats because they know their religious and it means something to them.

    The “mate guarding” you see going on by Arabs living in the west is the flavor of evangelical Christians telling people they’re going to hell or something. Very little guarding goes on outside of families and one’s own wife.

    No Arab guy gives a crap if their Arab next door neighbor is taking it in every orifice. They’re probably one of the guys on the train.

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  325. Attn: al’Thor

    You wrote:-

    @Thursday
    “The overwhelming majority of English genes come from the original Britons, not the Angles, Saxons, Jutes etc”
    Evidence? Even if true, the Celts “stole” the land
    from the Picts. Etc

    Thursday is quite correct. And since you ask the question, the evidence can be found in a large gene database (Ethnoancestry) which extracts dna from saliva. This in turn provides a map indicating the origins and movements of different types or ethic groupings.

    Also, the Celts did not steal land from the Picts.

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  326. on July 7, 2010 at 10:43 am White Woman

    True Christians telling people they might be going to hell (if they continue to rebel against God) is a loving warning.

    False Christians used this to control people yes, but hell does exist and unfortunately some people will be going there.

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  327. Mexico has been singularly unlucky, and its Spanish-blood governing class has not reformed, like Spain has. Spain was a shithole too, until 40 years ago. The rest of Europe dragged it up by example. Mexico has a racially divided society. The elite have always done well, and see nothing wrong with Mexico as it is. They serve Mexico very poorly. The useless, parasitic Conquistadores are still there.

    Boy, oh boy. Always the same meme. “[insert any Latin American] is bad because of the evil [insert any Southern European people] settled it”.

    Yet throughout Latin America whites live with the same standards of living of whites in their old homelands, blacks live much better than in any African country, courtesy of the White upperclass and Indians live much better the less Indians they have around themselves. Be it Western Bolivia, Southern Mexico or Rural Guatemala, the less whites the indian majorities have around themselves, the lower they standards of living.

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  328. Sorry al’Thor.. just realised that the quotation was not Thursday quoting you but Thursday himself. My apologies. The above message should be to him …although I still believe you are wrong if you think the Celts stole land from the Picts. The Picts occupied the very north east of scotland and the celts were much to further south.

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  329. cool how the Anglo super-race deals with non-whites. The Anglo minorities in Zimbabwe or Kenya were of the same relative size of White minorities in Ecuador or Bolivia. Guess which white minority was wiped out and which wasn´t.

    And those awful Conquistadores, by remaining alive, gave a much higher standard of living to the non-whites around them than NAMs themselves would be able to do.

    Take the mighty US. It is still whiter than any Latin American country but Argentina and Uruguay. Yet it only took the NAM-share of the US population going from 10% in 1965 to 35% in 2010 for America to reach Latin American levels of finacial mismanagement and start its path towards insolvency.

    The American Constitution is being replaced by Politically Correct platitudes as we speak, by politicians made electable by the dramatic decline in the quality of the average US voter. Try laughing of Bolivia, with her 150 constitutions. The US is still 10 times whiter than Bolivia ever was, and is heading for its second constitution. When the Aztecs become 75% of the US electorate, America will be solidly on her way to tie with Bolivia

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  330. on July 7, 2010 at 11:09 am White Woman

    Jerry and whoever…I feel any no burkha rule is just a band-aid. I don’t see what good it does.

    I’ve noticed an increase of Muslim hate lately in the U.S. Christians will love this (no burkha rule) trampling of the religious rights of Muslims until they start telling us we can’t own bibles.

    Gorb I’m probably too lazy to look do research on early settlers…I was hoping YOU would. hehe!

    Gorb, if there’s no conspiracy as you say then why are the Tea Party people called racists all the time? Are high stationed lefties really that obtuse?

    rebelliousvanilla although I don’t agree with you on everything, I like your style. Nicole, I have appreciated many of your views in the past but lately it seems like you’ve been making a lot of things up.

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  331. For some reason anglophile Gorbachev disturbs me in a way no other commenters ever had before. This includes leftists, feminists, haters, randroids, black supremacists, or nerds.

    It’s like he’s an English version of a German nazi who rants about all non-German Europeans being Untermenschen. He does have a soft spot for Albanians though, similar to how the Germans did for Finns. Maybe it’s because Albanians gave the US/UK a pretext for bombing another European country.

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  332. The Anglo minorities in Zimbabwe or Kenya were of the same relative size of White minorities in Ecuador or Bolivia. Guess which white minority was wiped out and which wasn´t.

    Also, look at England-proper today. While there is much to admire about the historic English nation, today it is the most sad and contemptible country in Europe, inclusive of places like Moldova.

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  333. J–

    Runs quite parallel to corporate America where talentless and clueless bankers bancrupt the world with their idiocy.

    You’re obviously too stupid to be worth responding to, but I guess I am anyway. If you think the higher levels of Wall Street and those in the trenches headed to those high levels are “talentless and clueless” then you know absolutely nothing, and understand nothing.

    They are anything but.

    However there is a certain madness of crowds that operates. As well there’s the realization that while a strong trend can’t go on forever, some of the best money is made near the end, and most skeptics and naysayers get out way too early.

    All that sort of thing yes. But your “analysis” is simply stupid and ignorant.

    I could say many, many other things but you’re not worth it.

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  334. Rebellious Vanilla may be outspoken and brave, but her assumptions are lacking in logic and reveal a historical bias towards war and conflict. Like many schoolgirls, RV thinks of human history as a series of events, because that is often how it is taught and recorded, but real history is not a series of wars and conflicts interspersed with celebrity milestones along the way (coronations, weddings, births of famous people). Real history is the real process of the production and survival of life that occurs between these events – everyday economic activity.

    Taking even the most war-torned century ever recorded, (the 20th century), there were far more births than war deaths, and probably more deaths caused by disease than the wars and genocides. Death, rape, pillaging…all of those things happened at times, but the vast majority of human life during even our most war-torned century was rather mundane societal activity, whether modern or primitive.

    Why am I talking about this? Because RV, and many of the social darwinists, are basing their comments on 100% reductionism (which I assume they wouldn’t deny), and the principles/assumptions by which they are reducing the complexity of human activity are completely the wrong ones.

    Rape, while it occurs, is not a universal biological reproductive strategy in human males. Neither is women-guarding or whatever she calls it. Sure, if your historical assumption is a period of endless armed conflict and scarce resources, than you will see a lot of raping and pillaging and behaviors responsive to those activities. But that assumption is wrong. The vast majority of human history (and prehistory) is of human social activity in fashioning functioning systems to survive and reproduce. This social activities gives rise to states and nations and conflicts, but don’t put the cart before the horse. Most human evolution and natural selection occurred in an environment of relative social stability and availability of resources for survival. What RV assumes as natural tendencies are actually dysfunctions.

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  335. White Woman, my opinion is my opinion, and the facts are the facts. I’ve cited where I get my facts from, and if you like, you’re free to read them from some of the same sources I have. You’re also free to dismiss them as lies, if you like.

    However, again, if either of us may be misinformed, I prefer to bank on the historical and DNA records, as well as politically moderate anthropologists’ observations, and the philosophers who loved critical thinking. I’ve actually applied many of the principles based on my worldview which is based on these things, to my life, and haven’t been wrong yet. The very lust for truth in all things is what led me here when I suffered from getting too close to normal people.

    So really, I don’t have a dog in the race fight. I’m mixed with Native American on the maternal side. I don’t know if my great grandfather couldn’t find a decent Black woman in his town, or if he just loved this one woman in particular, but I respect what he did, especially because it wasn’t the popular thing to do.

    My grandmother’s first fiance, a Black man, dumped her after they had two children together, because of parental pressure. He was a punk who let his mommy break him up from his common law wife because of race. See, back then they considered my grandmother a savage mutt.

    Strange that when these same parents were old, it was the two kids they literally called her bastards throughout their childhood, who took care of them while the later grandchildren would just as soon let them rot.

    Nobody “makes up” their opinion. It’s my opinion that women who want to keep men boxed in racially are deep down feminists. Otherwise, they’d have no interest in controlling consensual male sexuality. They would be more focussed on doing right by the men of their race/culture, and ensuring that the positive traditions were passed down, rather than feeling free to become a race of whores, addicts, and harpies because you figure so long as you’re the hottest, guys will stick with you no matter what you behave like.

    So it warms my heart every time I see a mixed couple. Those people could well be making more little girls like me…rare dinosaurs who believe in taking good care of our men, no matter what color they are.

    So don’t worry about race. That takes care of itself. Worry about doing your job…cause if you won’t someone else will.

    …and gladly.

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  336. @PA

    Germans had a soft spot for Finns because they were among the few of their allied forces they considered up to their standard of combat ability. Finns also generally look pretty aryan, but then so do most Slavs. They also had a high opinion of all the Baltic country components too.

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  337. The Finns in particular did merit the Gemrans’ admiration, that is true.

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  338. on July 7, 2010 at 1:20 pm White Woman

    Don’t worry, I’ve done my job Nicole. I’ve raised two sweet White daughters and neither I nor they are whores, addicts, or harpies (as you mentioned).

    To the best of my ability I’ve ensured that positive traditions have been passed down.

    I don’t bear any ill will toward people of color…not at all. However, it’s true that I believe in racial purity for Whites because I feel there is a concerted effort to wipe out our race and I don’t want to see that, any more than I’d want to see my family line wiped out. So as you can see, this has nothing to do with Feminism or me and my kind wanting to hoard all the White men for ourselves (although I can see why we’d want to). Feminism has been the worst possible thing for White people and I hate it with a passion.

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  339. Gorbachev is the gift that keeps on giving. “Rome was still Rome even though it was not Roman anymore” is bizarre

    England today taxes its most productive citizens at above 50% rates. Yet I am supposed to think that the influenced England exerts throughout the world reflects the values of Victorian England, not cool Britannia.

    But I see no one proposing harsher anti-porn laws, and lots of demagogues proposing higher taxes.

    While I agree with Gorbachev about the soft power of the Anglosphere, he isn´t aware of the values that soft power is being used to promote…

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  340. @ white woman, how many teeth do you have? Do you play a banjo?

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  341. @gig

    Gorbachev is the gift that keeps on giving. “Rome was still Rome even though it was not Roman anymore” is bizarre

    Then you get it.

    England today taxes its most productive citizens at above 50% rates. Yet I am supposed to think that the influenced England exerts throughout the world reflects the values of Victorian England, not cool Britannia.

    But I see no one proposing harsher anti-porn laws, and lots of demagogues proposing higher taxes.

    While I agree with Gorbachev about the soft power of the Anglosphere, he isn´t aware of the values that soft power is being used to promote…

    I never said modern England was a place I’d actually want to live.
    The US is the current center of the Anglosphere.

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  342. @PA
    It’s like he’s an English version of a German nazi who rants about all non-German Europeans being Untermenschen. He does have a soft spot for Albanians though, similar to how the Germans did for Finns. Maybe it’s because Albanians gave the US/UK a pretext for bombing another European country.

    Excuses like that are rare and valuable. Can’t pass one up.

    And if there’s nothing wrong with being a racial nationalist, then there’s nothing wrong with being a cultural imperialist.

    Some cultures are just better than others.

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  343. @GMT-Master
    You are putting your English friends on a pedestal. The logistics of conquering a fairly big island nation is a huge logistical problem in medieval Europe. Put them somewhere in between France and Germany and your colonial escapades would be drastically different. Another example would be in Asia, Japan.

    Of course. Geography had something to do with it. Acquiring two huge “island” continents and nearly monopolizing them helped, too. But that didn’t explain India, almost China, not to meniton Africa, which might have been something of a mistake.

    But they engineered that, too. They created successful colonies. Few have ever done that as well as the English did.

    We can see two counters to the English in the US/Canada/Australia/NZ: Argentina and Brazil. Both white, one had slavery, each much less successful. The English were just better at it.

    Still are.

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  344. The problem with the English imperialism is that once it stopped consumming the lesser cultures of their colonial subjects, it turned on itself. How’s the Anglo Zimbabwe doing?

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  345. @Rebelliousvanilla

    Gorbachev, hybrid vigor also comes with outbreeding depression, which in humans is fairly high if the genetic distance is big enough. If hybrid vigor is so peachy, African-Americans and Mexicans should be the best people in the world, yet they’re both unmitigated failures as human groups.

    Mexico has been more successful than any other Latin country. Again with the Cursed By The Spanish problem.

    No Spanish colony or Latin country has been able to manage anything more than pale mediocrity at its best. Even in Italy, you have distinctions: North and South. There’s a marked cultural difference in everything, from attitude to outlook on life.

    Immigration:

    RV, we agree on all points. Re-read what I wrote. I’d just be less obvious about what I was trying to do to win over the moderates in the PC crowd.

    Anyway, you can keep illegals out easily. You cn make a mine field across the border and implement something I wrote on my blog – you reward people who turn in those who hire illegals and fine the employers(basically you give the fine to those who turn employers in, including to the illegals)

    The minefield idea is messy; I’d go for hard patrols with Shoot To Kill Runners orders. And electrified, patrolled fences.

    and you bar illegals from any social services

    Of course. They do that here in Canada, apparently; not even schools. Why we don’t do it at home is a mystery.

    and you make illegal immigration a jail sentence – and you reform jails so that people in jail do work, not sit on their asses.

    I think most people advocate for this.

    There, you’re done with illegal immigration for the most part. Banning them from ever becoming citizens helps too.

    Illegal immigration is hardly a problem if you want to address it. And you don’t really go to war over it either.</I.

    But you need partners: and Mexico has to be our Best Buddy if we're going to make it work.

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  346. @PA
    The problem with the English imperialism is that once it stopped consumming the lesser cultures of their colonial subjects, it turned on itself. How’s the Anglo Zimbabwe doing?

    For all of its disease-like qualities, feminism was a major product of Anglo culture. It’s seducing women everywhere, now, too. And all modern political structures are essentially Anglo, too, with some exceptions (China, Russia); but the international regimes are Anglo creations.

    Problem is, if we get lost, so does everyone else.

    Kind-of unfortunate in that regard.

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  347. Mexico has been more successful than any other Latin country.

    Yeah, that’s why “Argentinian” is synonymous with illegal nanies and dishwashers.

    No Spanish colony or Latin country has been able to manage anything more than pale mediocrity at its best.

    Sometimes a sustainable mediocrity beats a self-devouring superiority. Again, how’s Rhodesia doing? How free is the UK? what is the trajectory of the US?

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  348. For all of its disease-like qualities, feminism was a major product of Anglo culture. It’s seducing women everywhere, now, too. And all modern political structures are essentially Anglo, too, with some exceptions (China, Russia); but the international regimes are Anglo creations.

    I have no idea what you’re tryng to say here.

    Problem is, if we get lost, so does everyone else.

    The West’s quandry is that it’s hope lies in rival civilizations swallowing the same anglo-created poisin that we ourselves ate. A disinterested observer would be justified in wishing the anglo culture to oblivion.

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  349. And if there’s nothing wrong with being a racial nationalist, then there’s nothing wrong with being a cultural imperialist.

    Some cultures are just better than others

    No one would disagree on that. That´s why I told you, obliquously, that Latin Cultures are better in dealing with non-whites than Anglo/Nordic cultures.

    From which follows that the greatest tragedy affecting Latin countries today is the infection brought by the Anglosphere´s soft power according to which by taxing whites and transfering it to now-whites the latter will magically “turn white”. Or “turn Anglo”, according to Mr Gorbachev, who thinks Anglo culture is so powerfulthat they can turn Caracas´ barrios and Nigeria slums into new versions of Kensington and Chelsea.

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  350. @PA
    No Spanish colony or Latin country has been able to manage anything more than pale mediocrity at its best.

    Sometimes a sustainable mediocrity beats a self-devouring superiority. Again, how’s Rhodesia doing? How free is the UK? what is the trajectory of the US?

    I’ll take self-devouring superiority any day. The superior have the option to self-devour if they choose it.

    And Latin economic/political mediocrity is preferable how?

    Don’t be too worried about current trajectories. They self-correct.

    And I specifically excluded Africa. There are special, … circumstances there. The population was more difficult.

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  351. @PA
    For all of its disease-like qualities, feminism was a major product of Anglo culture. It’s seducing women everywhere, now, too. And all modern political structures are essentially Anglo, too, with some exceptions (China, Russia); but the international regimes are Anglo creations.

    I have no idea what you’re tryng to say here.

    That for better or worse, it’s another Anglo export. Being the cultural megalith, you export your shit, too.

    We get the option to create the modern world, we need to take the blame for the crap, as well.

    Problem is, if we get lost, so does everyone else.

    The West’s quandry is that it’s hope lies in rival civilizations swallowing the same anglo-created poisin that we ourselves ate. A disinterested observer would be justified in wishing the anglo culture to oblivion.

    This would be true for any ruling culture/power. We just happen, through luck and skill, to be it.

    And we cry about it, but feminism is a very attractive poison to a lot of people. I predict that in 5-15 years, it’s going to sink its teeth into places like Korea and China hard.

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  352. cpk–

    Seran is right and you are wrong.

    You know nothing you idiot lefty PC conformist.

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  353. @Sidewinder
    @ white woman, how many teeth do you have? Do you play a banjo?

    Do you bottom for blacks? WW is just honest about what most of us think anyway. Its perfectly natural to want to preserve your own people and culture. We support it for any racial group except whites. Maybe WW is right?

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  354. Gorbachev–

    Slavery in the US was largely despicable. The one place where it was actively considered worse was Brazil, the last place to abolish it.

    Thomas Sowell rather convincingly argues that slavery was least brutal on average, or among the least brutal in the US compared to the rest of the semi tropical Americas. Worse in Brazil yes, but also in all or virtually all the Caribbean. He uses average years as an adult slave data, as well as ratio of annual slave imports from Africa to slaves in the country as an indicator.

    One reason is that slaves were most expensive in the US. this was a natural effect of the trade wind route, making the distance to the Chesapeake and Charleston much further than to the Guyanas, Guateloupe, Haiti or Cuba, and much, much further than the short hop to NE Brazil, which is where Brazilian sugar plantations were, and most Brazilian slaves.

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  355. @Jerry

    @Gorbachev
    Fascinating essays…but you left out how the west has been destroyed by feminism. I know you think Germany is not as feminist as the USA but I beg to differ because I have spent most of my adult life in Germany.

    Okay. I’d forgotten about this for the purposes of what I wrote.

    All successful German males I know date/marry East European women. They do not think of these women as lowly mistresses. Quite the opposite.
    Meanwhile, an Eastern Europe leaning towards Moscow is the best bulwark against Feminism that we white males have left.

    Well – that’s a good perspective. I’ll buy that.

    It might piss off a lot of feminists here if we avoided them by importing women, too. I’d add in Asia personally, but I find Asian women attractive as well as Caucasian ones.

    Feminism is at its weakest here while it is at its strongest in Western Europe and the USA (I’ve never been to Asia).

    Pretty weak there, but growing in sectors (even Korea).

    IMHO, the superior culture is the anti-feminist one.

    I hadn’t allowed for that. Interesting.

    Sadly, Feminist Hell-Holes tend to be where most technological start-up firms locate themselves.

    I’ve never been able to understand this.

    Accident of history: This is also where the strongest cultures/economies were. The western countries. We’ve just been infected by feminism.

    And I believe feminism is to blame. Feminism tells the young women to not think about going to the places where the most superior men might be.

    You’re assuming that these women are looking for superior=rich. Here, superior=alpha. This is also true everywhere else, but it’s particularly perverse here.

    And, of course, all this is why I live in Eastern Europe where women behave more logically and gravitate toward the best men.

    This might be the way we like it. The geeks get rewarded. But, … I expect the women would still cheat like gangbusters once married to the Super Geeks.

    Nah, I think he has the right philosophy. Hedonism.

    This was the other superpower in the 20th Century by the way.
    Russia put the first satellite in space as well as the first large mammal in space. They invented the periodic table. I can go on about that. They, unfortunately, defeated the US in Vietnam (a Pyrrhic Victory for them).

    Vietnam, Afghanistan (1.0); no hard feelings.

    Russia now needs to eliminate their visa requirement, however. That is holding them back like a shotgun blast to the foot.

    I think visa requirements are great ideas, generally.

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  356. Gorbachev–

    Face the facts: the Anglo world is the *ONLY* political hope left for the West. That’s been true for 150 years. Every important decision, good or bad, has been made or made possible by the Anglosphere. Denying that is perverse.

    The Anglosphere, lead by America since WWI, with strong American influences since our civil war and post war industrial explosion showed our sustainability as a republic, was a generally positive influence in the world until the mid 60s, when the New Left aka cultural Marxism in it’s various flavors (one of which is 2nd wave and later feminism) rapidly took over our chattering classes and media.

    The basic civil rights laws of the 1960s needed to happen, but affirmative action and everything since in that area and in feminism has been a disaster. This whole notion of equalizing through social leveling action, though anti-racism propaganda, shaming and taboo, and anti-sexism as a tag along, rather than creating a more level playing field for meritocractic competition, has been a matastasizing disaster, sapping the country through ever more layers of government bureaucracies both in government and in human resources etc. depts inside corps.

    Whole networks of lies that degrade our schools for our above average ability kids (the smart fraction ones that matter in an advanced technical civilization), and through cultural Marxism based feminism, emasculated so many of our boys and young men.

    All this equalist and equalizing crap is the cancer. Men should lead women, by and large, and women should be taught that that is so and not the reverse. There are racial and cultural differences which matter, and no they’re not created by the “oppressive white man”.

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  357. @ Tyrone,

    I am no relativist, and find it acceptable to seek to preserve and promote superior cultures, more specifically the highly functional attritibutes of those cultures. But not one’s “people.” That’s just racist xenophobia. If people just mated with those they were most attracted to and able to also attract, it would work itself out biologically even if it would destroy ideas of racial purity. There is no clearly defined white race anyway. Many irish and english don’t believe they are even of the same race.

    WW’s concern for the “white race” when combined with her bible-thumping reminder that non-christians are going to hell suggests a pretty close conformity to the white trash stereotype.

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  358. PA

    The problem with the English imperialism is that once it stopped consumming the lesser cultures of their colonial subjects, it turned on itself. How’s the Anglo Zimbabwe doing?

    This was very much due to the deep imbibing of Marxist (using that term broadly) thought among the Whiggish elites, esp. post WWII.

    And due to the American example, pressure and leadership, where the same thing happened in the 1960s.

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  359. @ Gorbachev

    Why exactly is Africa a “special case”?

    It is the geography? Climate? Or maybe the people?

    Tell us exactly why your theories won´t work in the Dark Continent

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  360. on July 7, 2010 at 4:34 pm White Woman

    Gorby – Feminism is not an Anglo creation…it has been thrust upon our our culture by…for want of a better name, elites…and they are not all European. Look at the Amish who have retained much of their European culture, for clues as to what Europeans would be like today if our culture hadn’t been erroded by the Elite agenda-probably a bit too White-Knightish for most of you guys’ taste but that’s beside the point I’m trying to make. (it works for them!)

    PA said: A disinterested observer would be justified in wishing the anglo culture to oblivion.

    Why PA? What has the Anglo culture done that justified this? People RUN to Anglo cultures….then promptly try to ruin them, I might add. (why mess with success). I think there are no disinterested observers btw….and most that want White people to be destroyed are just plain jealous. They want what we have, don’t want to work for it and resent us (as a race) for making it happen or not just handing it over and offing ourselves.

    Thanks Tyrone (Black Man right?) for “getting it”. Most Black people do. It’s only Whites who have been brainwashed to suicide themselves.

    Sidewinder. I WISH I played the banjo! That’s good stuff but alas, I’m of Irish decent and was raised in New England…not much banjo playing going on up there. Of course, you are like most shamers…trying to use insults to shut me up because you don’t have an intelligent rebuttal. Please tell me WHY I shouldn’t care about my race.

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  361. on July 7, 2010 at 4:37 pm White Woman

    White Trash – haha that’s my favorite insult. You silly boy. You remind me of my little brother.

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  362. Or to reframe this whole thing, the desire for totalitarianism knowns no color barrier. It’s just that the anglos dressed theirs up with fancy terms like monarchy or, today: diversity, socialism, green jobs, etc.

    Feminism is just one example of anglos intellectualizing totalitarianism. Maybe the first wavers were legit but the second through fourth waves all used their vaj-jay-jay’s as an excuse to proselytize socialism (see also every other complaint based, group identifier). See also how the feminists gave Clinton mulligans and how the Portland babe was asked to suck it up. It’s about power.

    The anglos added feminism to the mix because they were advanced enough to let females contribute. It’s sort of like pointing out that Ghandi would have been shot on sight by any other occupying culture but the anglos were advanced enough to let him live.

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  363. @Tyrone

    @Sidewinder
    @ white woman, how many teeth do you have? Do you play a banjo?

    Do you bottom for blacks? WW is just honest about what most of us think anyway. Its perfectly natural to want to preserve your own people and culture. We support it for any racial group except whites. Maybe WW is right?

    I think the difficulty here is “own people and culture”. And then “racial group”. These are not always necessarily the same thing. You’ve just decided that whiteness = your group. I’d say this is limiting and also not comprehensive enough.

    I think you can see my perspective if you try to see this:

    Lots of people (white included) don’t view other members of their “race” as part of their group, while they view members of other races as part of their group (culturally). The simple fact of their being “white” means nothing. Lots of Hispanic people are whiter than some “white” Americans. They’re Not Of The Tribe, as far as I can measure.

    For example, Vietnamese are less desirable as mates for Chinese people than White people are; for Koreans, Japanese or Americans are better as mate choices than Chinese. And Koreans are among the most race-conscious people on Earth.

    A black guy who went to the same school as I did and works in the same industry and lives in the same condo (there happens to be one, married to an attractive white woman, they have two great kids) is going to be culturally part of my group. He’s an American, an English-speaking member of the Anglosphere, with bona fides and an American way of seeing the world (either good or bad).
    A white guy from Venezuela is not part of the group, but this black guy is definitely part of the group.

    On the other hand, a black guy living in the ghetto and dealing crack while he bangs his collection of hos may be American, but he represents a particularly wretched one. He’s also part of the group, albeit a failed and parasitic member of the group. The *same* would be true of an urchin living in the streets of Edinburgh or London or New York 100 years ago.

    The ghetto dweller is an American, and shares the majority of your culture with you, even if he’s a shitty member of your group, but he’s a member of your group in a way the Venezuelan white guy isn’t.

    If you only use race as a metric to determine what your group is, you lose out. You also fail to take responsibility for dealing with the failed members of your own group.

    Jews: They’re whiter than white. You just don’t get whiter. And they’re hugely beneficial to every country they’ve ever been resident in, their own success feeds the success of everyone else in good Capitalist form. They’re also more racist than many white people (also less; they have as much internal opinion diversity as anyone). But somehow they’re “Not Included” for lots of “white” groups. Same was true for Catholics, for that matter. And the Jews are, despite themselves, hugely endogamous; more Jews have married out and blended into “white” society than have married each other over the last 150 years. We never hear about them because they’re just Anglo-Americans now. So there’s rivers of “Jewish blood” flowing through the veins of America. Same as England, if not even more true.

    We fucked up with our black population, but this is not the be-all and end-all of race and culture. It’s a peculiar American obsession, where we’ve conflated race and culture because of this unfortunate presence of a failed black sub-culture.

    I suspect that when we absorbed black West Africans, taking in the detritus as slaves was a huge mistake.

    Hispanic people hardly represent a “race” at all. As a social factor, in American society, they’re all the same, being Foreign Elements that aren’t being acculturated properly.

    About “Supporting” other races –

    Again, this is a fallacy. PC thought is so philosophically inconsistent liberals can barely agree on the time of day. Get three in a room, and you’ll get 4 opinions and a lawsuit.

    You impute a greater degree of intelligence and diligence to your ideological enemies than they actually have.

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  364. WW, if you’re Irish you aren’t white, so shut it. Your “race” is inbred. Race is a human observation of characteristics, not some objective, clear-cut delineation between people. Or do you believe God created the different races 6000 years ago or something?

    Assuming you aren’t that ignorant, all humans of all races share a common set of ancestors (setting aside the neanderthal hypothesis for now), so the racial differences we now observe were created by thousands and thousands of generations of natural selection and mate choice. Back in the day, these prehistoric humans were not concerned in building a white, black or asian race. Why would one want to try to preserve something that has always been changing and evolving according to natural selection? We’d be better off if we just mated with who we really wanted to mate with. For most people, that would be within the same race. But not always. Men have always pursued beautiful women of other races. It is attractiveness that dictates the choice, not racial ideology.

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  365. Why PA? What has the Anglo culture done that justified this?

    As I noted in an earlier comment, there is a lot to admire about the historic English people. The anglo culture has been an unquestionable civilizational boon. But anglo culture today includes a strain that is, through its promotion of leftism, mass immigration, and multiculturalism, destructive of other European cultures, and that strain must be resisted and destroyed.

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  366. Sidewinder, you used the words “xenopobic,” “racist” and “inbred.” Can you give a reason why any intelligent person should ever take anything you write seriously?

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  367. PA, not sure how the use of those words is a problem. Please advise.

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  368. “WW, if you’re Irish you aren’t white, so shut it. Your “race” is inbred. Race is a human observation of characteristics, not some objective, clear-cut delineation between people. Or do you believe God created the different races 6000 years ago or something?”

    Tim Wise, is that you?

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  369. on July 7, 2010 at 5:00 pm White Woman

    Yes sometimes I forget and use the word “White” when I mean European…damn I hate when I do that.

    And yes, Europe is a big place and naturally there is diversity among different groups and nations within Europe..even though the Elite would like to homogenize the world and leave us all with no culture whatsoever.

    I disagree that Jews (in general) are hugely beneficial. They make up a large part of the Elite I spoke of. And they are not all White skinned. You’re losing credibility with that comment Sir. There are not rivers of “Jewish blood” flowing through the veins of America either….that’s silly although they are intermarrying more than the used to.

    The Jews (as a group) are frequently kicked out of the countries they live in because the Elite ones (there are obviously some very nice Jews, and I’m not including them in this assessment) don’t play fair (recent banking crash/bailout ring a bell anyone?) and people get sick of it. Now don’t be read into this and think I advocate killing Jews or something equally as ridiculous. I’m just stating the facts. Beneficial…? Well convince me…I’m open to truth.

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  370. JJ, I don’t get the Tim Wise reference. Comment about the Irish was not serious.

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  371. @Doug1
    Gorbachev–
    The Anglosphere, lead by America since WWI, with strong American influences since our civil war and post war industrial explosion showed our sustainability as a republic, was a generally positive influence in the world until the mid 60s, when the New Left aka cultural Marxism in it’s various flavors (one of which is 2nd wave and later feminism) rapidly took over our chattering classes and media. The basic civil rights laws of the 1960s needed to happen, but affirmative action and everything since in that area and in feminism has been a disaster.

    I agree: this is where I think we went wrong. Having made this mistake, we’re exporting that, now, too.

    This whole notion of equalizing through social leveling action, though anti-racism propaganda, shaming and taboo, and anti-sexism as a tag along, rather than creating a more level playing field for meritocractic competition, has been a matastasizing disaster, sapping the country through ever more layers of government bureaucracies both in government and in human resources etc. depts inside corps.

    This is why places like Korea and Singapore are able to do what they do. They didn’t have any of that crap. But they do now. It’s creeping in, gushing in in some places. BTW, the women are the cheerleaders for this in many of these countries. It’s hard to argue this: independence-wise, if you factor out the social effects, many women are better off today than they were in 1930. From a personal individualistic perspective, feminism is often attractive for women. Tragedy of the Commons again, in a way.

    Whole networks of lies that degrade our schools for our above average ability kids (the smart fraction ones that matter in an advanced technical civilization), and through cultural Marxism based feminism, emasculated so many of our boys and young men.

    Culturally based Marxist-Feminism is a poison everywhere. But be not so sure other societies are immune; it’s blowing back to Eastern Europe now and everywhere else touched by the West, which is everywhere. It’ll sink in there, too, once a core group of women start their own rebellions.

    All this equalist and equalizing crap is the cancer. Men should lead women, by and large, and women should be taught that that is so and not the reverse. There are racial and cultural differences which matter, and no they’re not created by the “oppressive white man”.

    I didn’t disagree with with this at all: I just argue that the cultural differences are key, and the racial differences: Well, I’m all for eugenics on a social level. But every society needs bricklayers and grape-pickers and telephone-cleaners, too.

    There’s no need to be ideologically racist about our chauvinisms. It’s also not pragmatic or even possible, in most Western countries. We should make do and use what we have.

    Crisitunity. Have lots of difficult black people? Assimilate (which we seem to be averse to doing right now), give incentives to the good ones, jail and harass the bad ones, squeeze this population into ever smaller and smaller “reservations” and eventually it’ll become irrelevant. You don’t need anti-miscegenation laws or a separate “white” state to do this, either.

    Or even a publicly race-conscious government. An “anti”-racist or a racist government policy isn’t the most utilitarian or pragmatic way to approach things and make the world a better place.

    It’s just dumb.

    We need to get out of this Marxist analysis of society with its absolutes and Us Vs. Them mentality than it breeds on all sides.

    If we have bad genes in a sector of the population, we need the politics of the possible and the positive, and most of all the looking-forward.

    And one problem the US has: a huge superabundance of conservative, ill-educated and almost unemployable white trash. Once we deal with black inner-cities, we’ve still got that problem to deal with. Same in England or most Anglo countries.

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  372. Sidewinder, those words are rhetoric of intimidation of the crudest kind, and reveal an unthinking dullard’s mind. They are content-free. They pathologize human emotions that are normal and healthy in proper amounts.

    Calling someone a xenophobic racist is similar to how a brainless communist two generations ago woudl “win” an argument by calling someone a counterrevolutinary saboteur.

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  373. on July 7, 2010 at 5:08 pm White Woman

    I’m aware that the Irish are considered one of the weaker links among Europeans (although I’m blessed to have a bit of French mixed in so that may help me a bit), however, some of the most beautiful dogs are inbred…a little high strung perhaps but still… 🙂

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  374. @ PA, that would be true if the purpose was to label someone as a racist xenophobe. But that was not the purpose of my use of those terms. The purpose was to more accurately describe what WW was trying to pass off as innocuous “i aint against black people, i just looking to promote the white race!” My point in using those terms was to properly describe what she is advocating behind her disingenuous euphemisms.

    My use of “inbred” was in jest, as I was obviously mocking her racism by joking about her irish ancestry.

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  375. on July 7, 2010 at 5:11 pm White Woman

    Sidewinder, why do you feel wanting to preserve my race means I’m against Black people?

    It’s like saying that because a man feeds, clothes and shelters his own family that he hates other families.

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  376. @Sidewinder
    WW’s concern for the “white race” when combined with her bible-thumping reminder that non-christians are going to hell suggests a pretty close conformity to the white trash stereotype.

    Unsuccessful or lower-class members of a successful group are always the most vociferous about excluding what they perceive to be “outsiders”. They’re usually the most racist, and the most mindlessly so. They usually apply the least thought to examining their own core assumptions, especially if they’re religious.

    “White trash” Bible-thumping Americans (a hugely problematic social group for the US on its own) and black Americans have more in common with each other, as a general social drag and negative force, than they do with either successful white groups or black groups (of which there aren’t that many). They usually hate Jews even more. And then the rich white power-brokers. And the Asians who immigrate for being much smarter and better at everything than they are, what with their worship of education and financial success and lack of crippling religiosity and all that.

    Ideally, when we got rid of the whole black underclass problem, we’d get rid of this difficult (if less dangerous) white underclass problem, too.

    If I sound more like one of those 1920’s Social Hygeinists and Eugenics enthusiast than a racist, that would be accurate.

    Racism is like a witch-doctor cure. There may be some active ingredient in there, but there’s a lot of toxic spew, too. Isolate the active ingredient and discard the rest of the crap.

    No need to be mean to black or hispanic people. No need to “defend” the “white race”. It can all be better and more effectively achieved through subtlety and art and taking advantage of crises when they come in a constructive way.

    But I’m a conservative *urban* white guy from the East and West coasts, so what do I know.

    Cities are bad places where bad things happen. Nothing good every comes from them. More power to the proles in the flyovers.

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  377. I posted this some weeks ago, but i think it holds valid to this discussion..

    The school i go in, is an interesting mix, my class of around 100 pupils could be roughly didvided into, 30% Israel, 30 % Scandinavian, 15-20 % Persian, and the rest is from all over, Ireland, Palestine, Pakistan, US, Nigéria, Kenya. These are pupils with good and educated parents, some of them very rich. I couldnt tell any nation beeing smarter then the other here in my school.
    Considering the tension between some countries, they tend to be able to have open discussions, it happens rarely that the confrontation is becoming acute, for instance the ships that got attacked on their way to Isael, stird a lot over emotional discussion, which i can understand. But mostly people hang out with each other, they party with each other.
    I dont know what the future brings for my classmates but i hope that for these people it will become more evident that war shouldnt be started by them, and they should actually try to make the most out of the situation that they are in and keep this mentality when returning home.
    And the enviroment in my university didnt in particular learn me anything i didnt believe in before, but i don’t see any difference in race or countries when it comes to people with good a background.

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  378. WW, that was an extremely weak analogy.

    “It aint no different than a mama who loves her baby and wants the very best for her baby…”

    What does a man’s dedication to his family have to do with some misguided notion of racial purity or solidarity?

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  379. on July 7, 2010 at 5:20 pm Anonymouses Anonymous

    @sdaedalus
    “…Also, one’s spouse leaving (fault is not always involved here on the part of the spouse being left).”

    Not waiting until you are sure of your partner’s devotion is your fault. Not being able to tell a cad is lying…also your fault. Don’t date until you have the skills to detect both well.

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  380. @Puyol
    @ Gorbachev

    Why exactly is Africa a “special case”?

    It is the geography? Climate? Or maybe the people?

    Tell us exactly why your theories won´t work in the Dark Continent

    I’m an HBDer; I was a student of evolutionary biology. I don’t buy racism for biological reasonskjhl;kjh. Human biology is all population genetics. Statistical distributions. Africa is different. The rest of the world operates on relatively equal footing. Africa not so much. This is being pretty well established.

    But this doesn’t mean the same genes for smart people aren’t distributed there. There may just be less of them. Smart blacks exist; extremely smart blacks who don’t ever get criminal exist. They’re likely as good as anyone else. You might need to select for them. When we imported slaves, we may have done the reverse. Thankfully, we bred extensively with them, so we diluted it all somewhat.

    Admitting any of this doesn’t make someone racist except to crypto-communists and feminazis.

    But there’s a big leap from this to hard-core White racism. The black guy who lives in the same building is as American, as useful and as contributing as I am. Or anyone. Same goes for black doctors, black anyone.

    We need to ditch the marxist thinking that got us affirmative action. If blacks are going to do it, give them a hand up but let them do it. Then when they join everyone else and get out of the ghetto and their dysfunctional ghetto culture, they’ll be even more American than we are. The gifts of the freshly converted.

    Out mistake was the 1970’s and 80’s and pandering to guilt.

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  381. on July 7, 2010 at 5:21 pm White Woman

    Gorb…that was a pretty long winded way of calling me White trash. 🙂

    I don’t buy into that “prole” nonsense. It’s as divisive as using racial slurs and doesn’t get us anywhere. Jesus says we will always have poor people among us and frankly I don’t need to boost my self esteem by putting them down (didn’t we learn about this in grade school).

    That said, why do you feel “White trash” Bible-thumping Americans are a hugely problematic social group for the US? Did the TV tell you that or have you had huge problems with White Christians in your life? Please tell me all the problems Christians cause. I’m open to learning.

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  382. As for the Israelis in my school, not all but some, are prone to form a microsociety where no one else is invited, which i dislike.

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  383. @White Woman
    Gorby – Feminism is not an Anglo creation…it has been thrust upon our our culture by…for want of a better name, elites…and they are not all European.

    Um, … so the roots of feminism are in, what, the Bad Genes of Non-White People?

    Er, what?

    Whites and white people gave this all to us. Our elites betrayed us on levels I think you don’t appreciate. This is how all societies ultimately fail. Thankfully, our elites are a diverse lot.

    Look at the Amish who have retained much of their European culture, for clues as to what Europeans would be like today if our culture hadn’t been erroded by the Elite agenda-probably a bit too White-Knightish for most of you guys’ taste but that’s beside the point I’m trying to make. (it works for them!)

    That sounds like a great future, too. No, Feminism has to be squarely dropped on the feet of the English elites and this is as true here as it is in England. They were white, largely WASP, and profoundly influenced by marxism.

    This is why “Women of color” movements are popular within feminism and feminists are so bad at incorporating non-white people and their different “aspirations”. Because Feminism was, and is, and largely remains, a movement of liberal *white* people.

    Complain at your local university.

    Thanks Tyrone (Black Man right?) for “getting it”. Most Black people do. It’s only Whites who have been brainwashed to suicide themselves.

    That old Marxist philosophy again.

    Please tell me WHY I shouldn’t care about my race.

    Your “race” isn’t much of a group. Class is a bigger selector. Race=class in the US in many, but not always.

    Social forces can’t be reduced to simple biology. Humans aren’t biologically *that* diverse. And culture has a tenacity and infectious quality of its own.

    Protecting your “race” is far too simplistic a way to approach a problem like we have.

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  384. That said, why do you feel “White trash” Bible-thumping Americans are a hugely problematic social group for the US? Did the TV tell you that or have you had huge problems with White Christians in your life? Please tell me all the problems Christians cause. I’m open to learning.

    Indeed, Gorby, I was enjoying your stuff but this rote damning of the group it’s acceptable to hate throws me off.

    If I were going to blast a group of white people “screwing it up for everyone,” I’d point a finger at the lazy-ass union thugs who we’ve heard so much about recently.

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  385. To be more specific, i didnt search for flaws in another culture, therefore i treated them like equals, and that is what they become. Other things played part of my dislike, individuals could prove me wrong, but that was rather personal then cultural.

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  386. on July 7, 2010 at 5:48 pm White Woman

    Gorbs

    What is hard core White racism and where did you learn about it? TV perhaps?

    You say: The black guy who lives in the same building is as American, as useful and as contributing as I am. Or anyone. Same goes for black doctors, black anyone.

    OF COURSE…it goes without saying…and it has nothing to do with preserving my race. It appears that you think any White person who wants to preserve their race must hate people of color. That is a misconception.

    I hate to sound like the old cliche (where the White person says “some of my best friends are Black”!) but I do have non-White friends. More often than not it seems other races are more likely to shut me out than the reverse.

    Sidewinder…sorry you don’t understand the analogy. I don’t know what to tell you. I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that you are of European descent. Either way, White/Euros have been taught that race is not important (especially if you are Euro/White) so I understand why this doesn’t make sense to you.

    I also would like to see other races be preserved. For instance, would any of us want to travel to Japan just to see people with slanty eyes? (not trying to be mean…just making a point). We travel to Japan to see a different culture. The Japanese preserve their race and their culture (they are intertwined) I would be very sad to go to Japan and find a completely American culture…what fun would there be in that? They have a very neat and interesting culture and keeping their racial purity helps it not get diluted as fast.

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  387. @White Woman
    I disagree that Jews (in general) are hugely beneficial. They make up a large part of the Elite I spoke of.

    They do because they’re smart. Asians will be there soon enough, trust me, it’ll take much less time than it took the Jews. Their culture reveres education and jobs that bring money, power, influence and require skill and intelligence.

    They’re in positions of influence because they earned it.

    They reflect the marxist-socialist views of other elites because all of the elites were infected by this. There was no conspiracy. The Jews aren’t that smart.

    Conspiracy theorists ascribe too much cleverness to their enemies. White nationalists are as gullible as black people who think AIDS is a white attempt at genocide.

    As I’ve said, they have more in common with the black underclass, ideologically, than they do with successful white people.

    And they are not all White skinned. You’re losing credibility with that comment Sir.

    All Jews of any consequence (Ashkenazi) are basically Caucasian. Certainly the bulk of American Jews. They’re the very definition of “white”. Please.

    There are not rivers of “Jewish blood” flowing through the veins of America either….that’s silly although they are intermarrying more than the used to.

    They intermarried in huge numbers before, too. Over the last 150 years, remarkable Jews and unremarkable Jews have interbred on the fringes at staggering rates. There’d be a lot more Jewish people had they not done this. It was even more common in England over the previous 200 years.

    One of the complaints of armchair anti-semites was the ease with which Jews seemed to assimilate, leaving a core of noxious Jews but infecting the general population. These anti-semites were complaining about how in a family of 4-8 kids, 3-4 often married out.

    In Boston/New England, there was a *lot* of lower class Catholic-Jewish marriage throughout the 19th and early 20th centuries.

    The Jews (as a group) are frequently kicked out of the countries they live in because the Elite ones (there are obviously some very nice Jews, and I’m not including them in this assessment) don’t play fair (recent banking crash/bailout ring a bell anyone?) and people get sick of it.

    Um, the Scots did the same thing. They were even better at it than Jews. They owned and ran the British Empire. They half-created it. This hallucinogenic hatred of Jews is a baffling. It’s one of the more irrational passions of the white-nationalists.

    Now don’t be read into this and think I advocate killing Jews or something equally as ridiculous. I’m just stating the facts. Beneficial…? Well convince me…I’m open to truth.

    The Jews lend power to every society they’re a part of. Of course, this is out of self-interest, but parasitical they’re not.

    Germany lost hugely when it exterminated its Jews. Who were, actually, the least Jewish of European Jews. They were just a bunch of very successful Germans.

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  388. I was a student of evolutionary biology. I don’t buy racism for biological reasonskjhl;kjh. Human biology is all population genetics. Statistical distributions. Africa is different.

    So a country carrying more blacks will be like a ship carrying more weight, it will move slower, everything else constant. Thta´s why Colombia lags Spain.

    THough it doesn´t change the fact that there is no country in Africa where blacks can live better than Colombia. If blacks live still better in the US, that´s because the US has far less NAMs than Colombia.

    Once you see it is exactly the same when (red) indians are involved. Take California for example. It is a little less white than Brazil, probably as white as Venezuela or Colombia. Give it independence today, and it will vote for Hugo Chavez at the first chance. And California, as the Red Hot CHili Peppers remember us, is “the edge of the world and all of Western Civilization”

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  389. @biktopia
    As for the Israelis in my school, not all but some, are prone to form a microsociety where no one else is invited, which i dislike.

    Israelis do this to other Jews, too. Unless the other jew is a hot girl. Then she’s OK.

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  390. @WW
    That said, why do you feel “White trash” Bible-thumping Americans are a hugely problematic social group for the US? Did the TV tell you that or have you had huge problems with White Christians in your life? Please tell me all the problems Christians cause. I’m open to learning.

    @Askjoe

    Indeed, Gorby, I was enjoying your stuff but this rote damning of the group it’s acceptable to hate throws me off.

    Don’t mind me. I’m just one of those conservative Eastern atheists who puts his head in his hands when he sees Americans building theme parks to creationist mythologies.

    We’re all just pixels here. Even pixels that should be doing actual work.

    If I were going to blast a group of white people “screwing it up for everyone,” I’d point a finger at the lazy-ass union thugs who we’ve heard so much about recently.

    The cops used to be able to arrest these people. I wonder what happened.

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  391. true dat, boo. But believing Jesus rode a dinosaur to work doesn’t make you a bad person. Voting for Obama does.

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  392. @ Gorby, I agree with most of your comments, but do believe you are underestimating “the jewish problem”. As you can probably guess, I do not attribute this problem to biology. And I agree that jews are very intelligent with amazing verbal skills on the whole. But there is a clear historical pattern that merits attention.

    I think the core of the problem is jewish racism. It is particularly difficult to combat because jewish exceptionalism is part of their religious dogma. Many truly believe they are God’s chosen, and even many atheist jews feel its important to preserve the tribe. I and many others have objectively noted a good deal of inter-dealing between jews, although this is also common between people that go to the same church.

    But if you’re looking for one big cause to the historical jewish problem, it is the fact that they do not want to assimilate. (and when I say “they” i’m referring to those that wish to self-identify as jews, not those that do intermarry or assimilate). And the reason they don’t want to assimilate is because they truly do believe they are special in relation to all other humans. They are therefore always looked at with a suspicious eye, and when the country goes to shit, they are usually the first suspects.

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  393. on July 7, 2010 at 6:23 pm White Woman

    Gorbachev says:

    Um, … so the roots of feminism are in, what, the Bad Genes of Non-White People?

    Ohhh it’s too long to get into…maybe someone else can explain it to you.

    Gorbachev says:

    Our elites betrayed us on levels I think you don’t appreciate.

    Oh believe me, I “appreciate” what they’ve done if by appreciate you mean abhor.

    Look at the Amish who have retained much of their European culture, for clues as to what Europeans would be like today if our culture hadn’t been erroded by the Elite agenda-probably a bit too White-Knightish for most of you guys’ taste but that’s beside the point I’m trying to make. (it works for them!)

    Gorby says: That sounds like a great future, too. Are you being sarcastic. Although they’re culture seems foreign to me in some ways, I find it, in many ways preferable to what we have now (although I do like electricity). Their culture works so well!

    Gorgy says:

    No, Feminism has to be squarely dropped on the feet of the English elites and this is as true here as it is in England. They were white, largely WASP, and profoundly influenced by marxism.

    Dig deeper into who Marxists are most esteemed Sir. Start with the father of Marxism, if you please.

    Gorby says:

    Feminists are so bad at incorporating non-white people and their different “aspirations”.

    Really,,,,how often do you meet Black women who aren’t Feminists? I would say the hold outs are White Women and a handfull of non-White women (most notably, religious Jews and Asians) some with Christian leanings.

    Gorby says: Because Feminism was, and is, and largely remains, a movement of liberal *white* people.

    Unfortunately, there ARE a lot of useful idiot White people who have been fooled into this philosophy.

    Gorby says: Complain at your local university.

    I have.

    Gorby says: That old Marxist philosophy again.

    I have no idea what was Marxist about what I said to Tyrone…help?

    Gorby says: Your “race” isn’t much of a group.

    So YOU say. If race isn’t an issue then why does Obama call Tea Partiers “racists”? Why does Attorney General Eric Holder say we are a “nation of racial cowards” and says hate crime statutes only apply to minority groups (in other words not White people)? Why did Colin Powell put his support behind Barack Obama? Social construct or not…race is obviously important enough to non-White/Euro people (especially when they want something). So why should it not be important to White/Euro people as well?

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  394. white woman We travel to Japan to see a different culture. The Japanese preserve their race and their culture (they are intertwined) I would be very sad to go to Japan and find a completely American culture…what fun would there be in that?

    The smartest thing the Japanesse did was preserve their own religion,Shintoism while incorporating some aspects of Budhism. Once you start worshiping the God’s of the invadors, it’s all over for you.

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  395. on July 7, 2010 at 6:31 pm White Woman

    Argh…we’ve been going at this (off and on) for three hours…I’m about spent!

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  396. White Woman Look at the Amish who have retained much of their European culture, for clues as to what Europeans would be like today if our culture hadn’t been erroded by the Elite agenda-probably a bit too White-Knightish for most of you guys’ taste but that’s beside the point I’m trying to make.

    To be clear, the Amish are more German than European. IIRC, they speak an old dialect of German and are largely German descendants.

    They have little in common culturally with Italians, Spaniards, or Norwegians. Trying to paint all of Europe with the same brush is shortchanging Europe. The different cultures of Europe should be appreciated on their own, not mashed together.

    same thing for Africa while we at it.

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  397. * chic noir gives white woman a bottle of gaterade *

    *MD bhetti hooks up the NaCL IV*

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  398. on July 7, 2010 at 6:41 pm White Woman

    Chic….Germans are Europeans. There are plenty of similarities between them and it doesn’t shortchange anyone to say so. Heck, Norwegian is even a north German language. Italian and Spanish were influence by the German language as well. I’m sure you know what this means right?

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  399. on July 7, 2010 at 6:44 pm White Woman

    haha Chic…good stuff but I never drink gatorade…surprised you didn’t offer me some Mountain Dew or a Wine-Cooler…more in keep with my White Trash image on this page. 🙂

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  400. on July 7, 2010 at 6:48 pm White Woman

    Anyway Chic….regarding the Amish…I said look to them for hints…

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  401. rebellious vanilla–

    Nicole, most men, except white ones, also do some mate guarding, limiting the choice of women, not their own. When that happens, it’s normal for men not to rape. Your problem is that you want to squash the consequences of natural selection, which says that doing those things that I listed is fair and square, but not limit sexual choice. You have to make up your mind. If you limit those human behaviours, you limit the sexual competition that creates those behaviours too.

    And changing certain things at the top effect things drastically at the bottom. Obviously, you can’t directly change bottom behaviour and this is why it’s done indirectly.

    And no, men aren’t scarce reproductively. If white men shag other women I could care the less. The women give birth to the next generation, not the men. You have a lot more feminist thought than me, considering I’d let men shag whoever they want and have them mate guard their women too.

    Jerry, the problem isn’t what Islam does in France. The problem is that it’s there to begin with. And yes, sadly Muslim men are a lot more sane than European men in seeing that men and women are different and that men are supposed to do mate guarding. The fact that the implementations of these thoughts are utterly horrendous is part two.

    I agree with about all of this. Go go girl!

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  402. White Woman said “@Chic….Germans are Europeans. There are plenty of similarities between them and it doesn’t shortchange anyone to say so”
    !! Oh yes it does shortchange them to sweep Europe into one. English people are not Swedish or Spanish, let alone German, thank you very much. And don’t think of saying English or French people are similar to Estonians, Romanians or any of those other trashy eastern european countries which are making the EU even worse whilst somehow thinking they are superior (hah).

    As for your stating as fact that Italian was influenced by the German language, I can’t think of anything offhand which would support what you said, but I’m sure you wouldn’t say something like that without some valid references. Would you? Obviously I’m not talking about the odd word or certain towns in northern Italy being industrialised and more similar to German than southern Italy. Personally, I would hazard to guess that English has more words from say Indian (pukka, verandah etc, sorry to only say Indian but I don’t know much about Indian languages) than Italian has German words.

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  403. white woman Really,,,,how often do you meet Black women who aren’t Feminists? I would say the hold outs are White Women and a handfull of non-White women (most notably, religious Jews and Asians) some with Christian leanings.

    I can’t really speak for “my” group but I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that most African-American women(16 million) don’t have subcriptions to MS magazine or the SCUM manifesto and couldn’t identy Gloria Steinmen in a lineup

    Susan B Anthony is the lady on the coin.

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  404. I found it amusing that a white woman, few Europeans and a black woman are discussing about my race. I guess the Germans evoke a lot of envy since they are the best, with the British being a close second.

    What’s so interesting about the Amish? They have no political power and thus lack any significant to society. Jews are powerful, since they are like skull and bones. They help each other in maximizing their potential.

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  405. on July 7, 2010 at 7:05 pm White Woman

    I try my best to be factual Lily..here you go, I did your homework for you.

    In Switzerland, Italian is one of four official languages, spoken mainly in the Swiss cantons of Grigioni and Ticino. It is also the official language of San Marino, as well as the primary language of Vatican City.[4] The Italian language adopted by the state after the unification of Italy is based on the Tuscan dialect, which beforehand was only available to upper class Florentine society.[5] Its development was also influenced by other Italian dialects and by the Germanic language of the post-Roman invaders.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_language

    I can’t vouch for the accuracy of Wikipedia though. 🙂

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  406. Sidewinder–

    Most human evolution and natural selection occurred in an environment of relative social stability and availability of resources for survival. What RV assumes as natural tendencies are actually dysfunctions.

    Horseplop. You’ve been reading the cultural Marxist versions of history and anthropology.

    Until the twin engines of the industrial revolution and then birth control, human populations have generally been up against Malthusian limits, with most barely having enough to eat, though with a tiny minority of rich nobility etc. and well off knights and better warriors, or ones successful in booty, and a merchant and priestly class too. All of these being less than 10% of agricultural societies and often way less.

    The same was true at much lower levels of population but often higher levels of common man nutrition, during the hunter gatherer phase that came before, conditions similar to those in which homo sapiens emerged fro homo erectus, and erectus from more ape like hominids.

    However it’s now becoming realized that we’ve undergone more evolutionary change in the last 10k years, than the prior 50K, which is the cusp more or less of fully modern language most likely, judging by the physical anthropological and archeological evidence of a real jump in the material culture then. See Cochran and Harpendig. And others.

    That chance can certainly include differentiation in racial IQs, levels of aggressiveness, etc. How far back agriculture came to an ethnicity or sub race or race seems to have effected lots of things.

    There were more deaths per capita during hunter gather periods it seems likely now through physical anthropological evidence than during agricultural periods.

    The twentieth century did see more aggregate people die of war than any other, but that’s only because the industrial revolution so exploded human populations esp. in Europe and America, but also in India and China. The green revolution and western vaccines, sanitation knowledge and so on. More people seem to have been killed by skirmishes (often for wives, or to secure to retain a favorable HG location – good for getting wives) in HG times than in the wars of the 20th century.

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  407. Lily–

    As for your stating as fact that Italian was influenced by the German language, I can’t think of anything offhand which would support what you said, but I’m sure you wouldn’t say something like that without some valid references.

    I’m not up on Italian linguistics at all, but Germanic peoples did heavily settle into northern Italy especially from 500ad to 900 or so. The Lombards and others. What percent of the population I don’t know, but the higher positions, lords to be etc. It’s part of what makes northern Italy very substantially different from southern Italy, with central Italy a mixture. No doubt this was mostly a cultural thing, but some genetic effects might well have not been trivial. On the later don’t think much work’s been done, aside from “marker genes” by such pioneers on that as Luigi Cavali Sforza. Of course there’s some Norman blood in Italy. But they tended to be a very small warrior and lordly elite, when conquered there.

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  408. whitewoman surprised you didn’t offer me some Mountain Dew or a Wine-Cooler…more in keep with my White Trash image on this page

    Now the Mountain Dew I know about but I never associated Wine-Cooler with “Prolle” culture. I’ve always thought Wine-Coolers were more high brow than beer and sugary mixed drinks.

    Chic….Germans are Europeans. There are plenty of similarities between them

    As someone who has traveled a little bit( SWPL brag). I can say that I’ve noticed big differences among the Europeans that I’ve come across. The way they look, foods, architecture, carriage, personality, range big-time etc…

    Yes are similarities among Europeans, but there are many differences as well. What you and a few others want to do is go thru another round of nation building. that is you want to meld all Europeans into one identity. *Thereby wiping out their distinct languages and cultures.

    Italian and Spanish were influence by the German language as well.

    I though Italian and Spanish are romance languages. I’m not sure how much influence German has had on Italian or Spanish. Maybe English, a Germanic language, has had more influence on the two. Oh well, I could we wrong.

    *chic noir goes back to writing chateau movie script*

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  409. on July 7, 2010 at 7:19 pm White Woman

    Chic…well I could be wrong but that’s been my experience and my perception. One doesn’t need a subscription to MS. to be a Feminist though ya know?

    Regarding Whites and Feminism…The most infamous of Feminists are not White, they’re Jewish. Gloria Steinem, Naomi Wolf, Gloria Allred, Betty Friedan, Bella Abzug??? Many more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_feminists

    Considering Jews are only 2% of the U.S. population, they have had an enormous negative influence, particularly with regard to feminism….I’m surprised Gorby can’t see this.

    That Gatorade was rather tasty, thanks. Your website is cute.

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  410. @ White Woman

    Fair enough if that’s the case (personally I tend to only mention things I know a fair bit about not just wikipediaed unless I do a caveat at the outset but each to his/her own). But as always, I’m happy to be proved wrong if that is the case.

    Still..does not mean it’s ok to broadbrush European countries as similar/the same.

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  411. Tyrone–

    Even if they didn’t invent scalping, as is often asserted, they took to it like ducks to water.

    Who claims they didn’t? Well shouldn’t surprise me, with all the cultural Marxist white men as oppressors historians around.

    Indian torture of their indian, and sometimes white, captives was often extreme. See e.g. the Hurons in the really well done and not PC, but not Euro triumphalist either, Black Robe. About Jesuit priests in 1600s French Canada, then extending into the Great Lakes area, canoeing on the lakes to encounter AmerIndians there, some friendly and some hostile to the French. French fur traders have been there first, but it’s early contact times.

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  412. @WW,

    There’s just no united “white race”.

    Anglo and Spanish colonizers were only incidentally from the same continent. Their entire cultural outlook was entirely different.

    Jews adopt the cultures of the majority culture. Arab jews are usually as difficult to deal with as Arabs. German Jews were just a bunch of Germans who didn’t go to churches. And some even did that.

    “Whiteness” exists as this kind of social category – for you – only in the very limited context of White America Versus Black and Hispanic America.

    Spend some time in Europe. This is a continent based on the premise that every village with its own quirky accent is a unique culture.

    Take out the black/hispanic dynamic in the US, and the “white” people will find all kinds of divisions (including possibly racial ones) to start bickering over.

    We’re stuck with black people. And hispanic people. And we’re going to interbreed, in varying rates.

    We can either accept this and move on, forward, or we can rail against it and scream into the wind. The slaves were brought here, they’re part of our society, we have no choice.

    We can either constructively engage and solve this problem and build on it, which will give us tools to acquire even more power and resources for our own culture, or we can hunker down in bunkers of blinded ideology.

    “Whiteness” is a pretty flimsy category to be pinning any hopes on. BTW, the “blackness” of American blacks is laughed at in Africa.

    One black fellow I know, who thought of himself as African-American, was treated as exactly what he was, for better or worse, when he traveled in Africa: As an American.

    Leave the US and its micro-world of Race Race Race and your perspective changes awfully fast.

    The one uniting thing we all share is the English language and its culture, as it’s developed. This is something of real, tangible value.

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  413. @ Doug

    Interesting info, thank you. I’ve often wondered about the northern/southern Italian (industriousness, birth rate etc) but obviously been too lazy to take it beyond wondering. Will read up on it, thanks.

    @ Chic
    “As someone who has traveled a little bit( SWPL brag)”
    You’ve just admitted to liking travel. Because you know that makes you a SLUT here don’t you? And if you did it on your own then you’re a MAJOR SLUT, not even a whore. LOL. xx

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  414. The_King
    I found it amusing that a white woman, few Europeans and a black woman are discussing about my race.

    Enjoy your 15 minutes.
    BTW, I like some Geman foods.

    The_King What’s so interesting about the Amish? They have no political power and thus lack any significant to society.

    the thing is, the Armish don’t care what you and others think about them. They just go on living their lives according to their rules. That my friend is true freedom 🙂

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  415. @chic noir

    “BTW, I like some Geman foods”
    I hope you’re not referring to those sausages that you got a taste for during your travels.

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  416. @lily- yup I debated that point a few times before. Sometimes I travel with family and sometimes alone. So I guess that makes me a midpoint loose woman 🙂

    One black fellow I know, who thought of himself as African-American, was treated as exactly what he was, for better or worse, when he traveled in Africa: As an American.

    that’s pretty much how we are treated in Europe as well and how White woman will be treated there too. I read the same thing about Asian-Americans being treated like Americans or foreigners in Asia. Culture is big folks and larger than race in places where people don’t vary much phonetically.

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  417. @Anonymouses Anonymous
    Not waiting until you are sure of your partner’s devotion is your fault. Not being able to tell a cad is lying…also your fault. Don’t date until you have the skills to detect both well.

    I’m sure you’re right. Quite frankly they would not induce enthusiasm about dating in any case. I think I’ll stick to writing from now on.

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  418. lily I hope you’re not referring to those sausages that you got a taste for during your travels.

    Why you funny girl. Do you know I typed that I like German sausage but erased it when I figured some people(hi tupac) would use it against me lol. I like sauerkraut.

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  419. @ chic
    Sorry, I could not resist going Monty Python, I did manage to curb myself from including the word spicy. Off to bed now, happy bantering x

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  420. Lily–

    Still..does not mean it’s ok to broadbrush European countries as similar/the same.

    Lots of important cultural differences. Not so many racial/genetic ones DNA studies have tended to show. There’s been a whole lot of intermarriage among Euros by various means. Migration and conquest. Cross marriages among the elites. And so on. Not to say there are none, but not so many.

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  421. on July 7, 2010 at 7:37 pm White Woman

    The_King. I agree that Germans are excellent people. I lived in Germany for a couple of years so I know this from personal experience.

    What’s so interesting about the Amish? I didn’t actually say they were interesting but I’ll bite. They have the closest thing I’ve seen to a true Christian community. Able bodied adults work and they take care of those that can’t. The women dress modestly and submit to their husbands. The children respect their parents. (And I know about Rumspringa and that the majority of teens stay in the church) They eat healthily. They get plenty of exercise through hard work. They’re not war-mongers. And important to the discussion, they have retained their culture instead of adopting the crap culture fed to the rest of the U.S. via the TV, Movies, Music, the education system and so on.

    My only point was that I believe their culture shows HINTS of what Euro/Whites would be like without all the negative influences they allow in their lives.

    They have no political power and thus lack any significant to society. Jews are powerful, since they are like skull and bones. They help each other in maximizing their potential.

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  422. on July 7, 2010 at 7:38 pm White Woman

    oops, please delete the last two sentences…that was a quote from The_King.

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  423. @WW
    Chic…well I could be wrong but that’s been my experience and my perception. One doesn’t need a subscription to MS. to be a Feminist though ya know?

    But feminism has a lot of trouble with non-white participants. There have been some pretty radical resistance movements within feminism, non-white women getting resentful at the overwhelmingly white-Anglo nature of feminism.

    Regarding Whites and Feminism…The most infamous of Feminists are not White, they’re Jewish. Gloria Steinem, Naomi Wolf, Gloria Allred, Betty Friedan, Bella Abzug??? Many more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_feminists
    Considering Jews are only 2% of the U.S. population, they have had an enormous negative influence, particularly with regard to feminism….I’m surprised Gorby can’t see this.

    Oh, I see it.

    Look: Jews are prominent in every aspect of the elite. Why?

    They have an enormous *influence*. Period. Positive influence; conservative influence (some of the best conservative thinkers are Jews); liberal influence; feminist influence; negative influence; any influence. You miss this fact. Conservative economists; liberal economists. Bad bankers. Good bankers. They dominate because they’re really good at all the things they do. They really raise the bar for any society. Nothing negative there.

    You need to focus on Jews as a whole, not just the selfish or greedy or criminal ones. On balance, the Jews are hugely contributative, not really negative.

    Jews are grossly successful in all the fields they dominate. Wait for the Asian Americans to start horning in, now, if they’re not already. Expect the sciences to be basically Jewish and Asian. The cultures are just perfect for this kind of influence and success. And they deserve it in any meritocracy. And if you Anglicize them, and they start interbreeding, all the better.

    And lots of Jews interbreed. About 40-60% remain in the self-identified core. Huge numbers filter out over time. Hitler was aghast at the actual historical numbers in England: Over 300 years, he admitted, the English people had been wholly polluted through intermarriage with Jews, and what’s worse – they didn’t even keep track of it, so you couldn’t identify the Jews any more. And then these people started emigrating in huge numbers. Their descendants are all over the Anglo world. Add in the French Hugenots, the English Gypsies, the Celts, and we’re truly a bastard race of mega proportions.

    The German racists lamented this, and credited our success to our Germanic genes. As it’s been pointed out, most of these genes aren’t even Germanic.

    “Jewish” genes – Ashkenazic genes – are basically a subset of European genes. These people have genetically much more in common with non-Jewish Europeans from anywhere than they do with Jewish Ethiopians, Yemeni jews or Moroccan jews.

    Arab Jews just look and act like Arabs who aren’t Muslim.

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  424. on July 7, 2010 at 7:45 pm White Woman

    I’ve lived in Europe Gorb.

    Lily darling. Wiki was for you. I’ve known about languages for quite some time.

    Chic…German food…well if you like pork….it’s ok from time to time. I’m a horrible White Nationalist because I can’t keep away from Jap food!

    Chic again…I love this. “the thing is, the Armish don’t care what you and others think about them. They just go on living their lives according to their rules. That my friend is true freedom 🙂 ” You’re a smart chick Chic.

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  425. on July 7, 2010 at 7:55 pm White Woman

    just had an earthquake in Cali…you heard it here first.

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  426. on July 7, 2010 at 8:04 pm White Woman

    Yes Gorb…there are a lot of Jews who aren’t truly Jews but it’s too deep a topic to get into here.

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  427. white woman You’re a smart chick Chic.

    *chic noir smiles sweetly*
    why thank you white woman

    just had an earthquake in Cali…you heard it here first.

    Was it a big one?

    Chic…well I could be wrong but that’s been my experience and my perception. One doesn’t need a subscription to MS. to be a Feminist though ya know?

    I was being outrageous and silly but you get my drift I hope.

    Anyway, tell me why you think most blk women are feminists. Cause I would argue that most blk women would say they aren’t feminists.

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  428. on July 7, 2010 at 8:17 pm White Woman

    Again I could be wrong about this but at one time I had close association with American Black women and families and there is a strong matriarchal focus which I lump in with Feminism, perhaps erroneously.

    Now I also recently spent some time with two Black women (Christians) from Europe. One from France and the other from…I forget! Anyway, they had strong intact families and marriages but boy they had strong Feminist leanings, particularly considering they were evangelical Christians (and to add insult to injury, they voted for Obama!-don’t tell me men, that race doesn’t matter).

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  429. on July 7, 2010 at 8:21 pm White Woman

    PS. Chic, most White women would say they weren’t Feminist either…most of them associate Feminism with bra-burning lesbians – YUCK. But as I’m sure the guys on this page will attest, Feminism runs deep in US women. I just thought it ran a little deeper with Black women.

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  430. Doug1 At Obsidians, during one of my fairly rare appearances there.
    Good cause alphas don’t spread themselves thin. They make everyone else run to them.

    Doug1 Of the left would holler and scream but so what.
    If videos ever made their way to MSM of Latinos being electrocuted or blown to bits by those minds. You can bet that a good number of conservatives would turn their back on your idea too. Without question women (of all races) turn against the idea. Americans are not such cold blooded people that we glorify in that sort of violence close up.

    vanilla If white men shag other women I could care the less.
    *whiskey jumps up to yell*
    AND I KNOW WHY

    you say that until there is a shortage of pencillian.

    doug to vanilla I agree with about all of this. Go go girl!
    I bet you do.

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  431. white woman Now I also recently spent some time with two Black women (Christians) from Europe

    Well those blk women weren’t African-American, and it could well be that they become acculturated while living in Europe.

    I had close association with American Black women and families and there is a strong matriarchal focus

    Well this is true to an extent because many dads aren’t around so in those types of situations, mom becomes more important. In families were there are two parents, the tables usually turn. Plenty of blk women will say out in the open that the man leads or the man is head of the family. Many blk women work 40hrs at a 9-5 but still come home to perform all of the “wifely duties”.

    African women across the continent or at least those I’ve been exposed to, have a tendency to be super traditional. the man is the leader, never raise your hand to husband even when he strikes you first, always cook for your husband, never let him step foot in the kitchen… blah blah blah.

    That means they expect the husband to bring home the money while they handle the home. I know of a couple of African couples who’ve had marriage problems because the husband wanted the wife to work so the family could bring in more money.

    *shrugs shoulders*

    btw, I’m a bit of a feminist.

    *doug throws a tomato at chic noir*

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  432. White Woman

    PS. Chic, most White women would say they weren’t Feminist either

    You are right.

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  433. comment stuck in mods 8:33

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  434. Gorbechev–

    The minefield idea is messy; I’d go for hard patrols with Shoot To Kill Runners orders. And electrified, patrolled fences.

    I think I’m the first one to float that idea here. And some other places too. At Obsidians, during one of my fairly rare appearances there.

    Not so messy. I would be a very well marked minefield, with a low tech fence (think barbed wire type for cattle, low cost, fast to erect) with prominent signs in Spanish and English, to crystal clearly mark off the no go, mined area. Further the US government would widely publicize it in Mexican and Central American media.

    Few would actually be so idiotic ass to try to cross this field. Oh there would be efforts to tunnel under it, but seismic sensors could be burried w/in the field as well.

    This would be a cheap solution. It’s worked remarkably well in keeping Korean inflitration into S. Korea to a mimimum for example, and in deterring an invasion. That field was planted and upgraded by America.

    Of the left would holler and scream but so what. A bill should be passed along with the authorizing one, barring any claim against the US government or any state or local government as a result of mine field injury. The argument being that it’s so widely publicized, tough.

    Toughen up America. Like the good old days.

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  435. White Woman says, “Don’t worry, I’ve done my job Nicole. I’ve raised two sweet White daughters and neither I nor they are whores, addicts, or harpies (as you mentioned).”

    Thank whoever/whatever you consider your Creator every day for giving you the strength, the genes, and the foresight to accomplish that. These days, you are fighting a mighty tide, and it is a real achievement since you have little support outside of a likeminded few to do it.

    Your daughters should say the same prayer because their lot is going to be even more difficult because there will be even fewer dinosaurs left. So across the cultures and races, we have to work for efficiency since we don’t have the numbers.

    “To the best of my ability I’ve ensured that positive traditions have been passed down.”

    This is very important. I wish some of my positive traditions hadn’t been suppressed the past couple of generations. In some ways, I was fumbling in the dark.

    “I don’t bear any ill will toward people of color…not at all. However, it’s true that I believe in racial purity for Whites because I feel there is a concerted effort to wipe out our race and I don’t want to see that, any more than I’d want to see my family line wiped out. So as you can see, this has nothing to do with Feminism or me and my kind wanting to hoard all the White men for ourselves (although I can see why we’d want to). Feminism has been the worst possible thing for White people and I hate it with a passion.”

    I can understand that, and I think your heart is basically in the right place. However, you must understand that when you use terms like “racial purity”, you’re forgetting what race really is.

    It’s essentially a group of people with shared genetic traits who for whatever reason, were isolated or isolated themselves from others who had different or unwanted genetic traits. Occasional introduction of new blood is crucial to maintaining a sort of functional balance of personalities, and generally, it’s the men’s job to do this through conquest or trade or cultural expansion.

    Also, if you like your race, why wouldn’t you want it to expand? Why is an overly isolationist view of racial “purity” more palatable to you than an expansionist view?

    Women have a fear, somewhat justified, of being taken by “barbarians” of other cultures, as well as of men being taken in by more exotic women. As understandable as that fear may be, it isn’t really rational considering most people prefer those in their culture. What one should consider is that provided one’s upbringing was tight, even when men go out to conquer new territory, the kind of women they select are going to be closer to whatever your cultural ideal is.

    This is only a problem if they are more ideal than you.

    …and this is the argument I have with many Black women.

    Most Black men who were raised correctly, since even before slavery, were raised with archtypes like Yemaya, Oba, Oshun, and Oya under their belts. The ideal woman was loyal and strong, and may not have been the prettiest, but strove to be a wonderful human being and a good wife, even if she was a fierce warrior like Oya, or in Oshun’s case, the hottest woman on the planet.

    If White women are more often daughters of Oba, Oshun, or Oya in their way, than Black women, then Black women deserve to lose their men since they already lost crucial elements of their race and culture…indeed their womanhood.

    Since men all over the world generally want the same thing from women: sex, loyalty, nurturing, and the strength to resist the temptation to be otherwise, no woman anywhere has any excuse for not doing right. It’s as uniform as having eyes.

    So where it is within a woman’s right and nature and justified cultural/ethnic pride to *hope* that the men of one’s own culture will view one as preferable, it is insane to put that down as law. The Jews of the Torah had a better idea, and that was to assimilate new women. If a guy wanted to marry a non Jewish woman, she had to be initiated and learn the customs and traditions.

    Most cultures have rites of passage. To me, it wouldn’t be a bad thing at all for White moms to require their son’s wives to learn their family’s history and traditions. It would also be a good filter to make sure you were letting in an ally and not a cultural enemy who’d program your grandkids to hate their own blood…expanding rather than losing people.

    Much like acceptance of men’s rights though, it’s going to be a hard sell. So be ready.

    I put my second husband through a kind of cultural orientation. He put me through one too. I found out things I didn’t know before, like the extent of the Polish resistance in WWII. I cried so much…much like when I found out from an old lady whose mother was there, about the truth of White slavery in early America.

    I’m not so much a melting pot person. I believe people should pick a culture and stick with it. For better or worse, I’m American first, and though the culture has been hijacked by corporations, we do have one. So even here in Israel, where people are Americanizing in the worst way, I do my bit to educate people about my culture…the real American culture where no matter where or what you were, you “hold these truths to be self evident…”

    You know, the one that perhaps naively tries to make the lofty speech of our forefathers into literal truth.

    Because of this, I would never presume to tell a man what he should do with his parts. I care about cultural purity more than racial purity because my culture is one of essentially expansionist western mentality. I want there to be an American race, and for many if not most of us, there already is. Those who can’t get with the program should be bred out so that people who believe in America are the only ones in it.

    In that, most people will go with who’s pretty or manly to them. We have lots of climates aside of lots of business all over the world, so there’s room for all complexions. I don’t want to live in North Dakota because I’d dry up like a red, raw, and chafing prune. I’d happily live in Texas or New Mexico where my biology is more suited to the climate.

    …and despite it not being altogether politically convenient for a Black woman to feel this way, I’d happily make my man a thermos of coffee and some sandwiches if he joined one of those border defense militias.

    Defense of borders is much more important to me than whether or not a Black guy gets with a White woman. That’s no threat to me, but folks coming up in my country smuggling contraband and shooting people up to do it is a problem for me.

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  436. Anyone into English history would to well to read John McWhorter’s “Our Magnificent Bastard Tongue”.

    BTW, he’s a very clear-writing, bright “conservative ” black American scholar. It happens.

    And he’s good, too.

    And I didn’t just say let the gutter trash in the front door, BTW. I’m just saying: nothing inherently wrong with, even, American black people. Perhaps the way we’ve been going about it has been all wrong from the start. They’re here to stay: Why not make the best of it? And of them?

    It’s either that or continue this pyrrhic low-boil semi-civil segregationist war we’ve been experiencing for the last 150 years.

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  437. Mommy! Keep the Wops & Chinamen & Yids & Micks away! What a pussy.

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  438. Sidewinder
    @ Tyrone,

    @Sidewinder:

    I am no relativist, and find it acceptable to seek to preserve and promote superior cultures, more specifically the highly functional attritibutes of those cultures. But not one’s “people.” That’s just racist xenophobia. If people just mated with those they were most attracted to and able to also attract, it would work itself out biologically even if it would destroy ideas of racial purity. There is no clearly defined white race anyway. Many irish and english don’t believe they are even of the same race.

    WW’s concern for the “white race” when combined with her bible-thumping reminder that non-christians are going to hell suggests a pretty close conformity to the white trash stereotype.

    I think your stereotypes are the ones that are mistaken. You’re simply ignorant of Christianity and Christians and have pigeon holed them as much as you claim they do of others. Spend some time around them. You’ll find there are a lot of highly intelligent ones. I used to think as you do but learned otherwise in the Army. My life experiences have shown me there is a higher being and that the Christians are on to something. I believe atheists are little more than intellectual spoiled children at this point in my life who can’t see the forest for the trees.

    White woman says a lot of things my wife might say. My wife is a Christian, speaks six languages very well, is highly skilled in math and thinks logically. She’s a fantastic wife and partner and I can count on her 100%. She’s a 9 or a 10 in looks too, depending on whether you’re in Europe or the US, and has an IQ well above 130. If you met her, you would likely hit on her immediately. If you called her white trash, I’d break your face.

    I, in fact, love her for these attitudes, because it shows she loves herself and who she is. After 23 years of living in Germany, a nation that denies its own heritage as being worthy of praise because it was forced to by the US and specifically at the behest and advice of communists that infiltrated the Roosevelt administration, I can see where all of this is going, and it leads to our destruction as a nation. Our notions of freedom and natural rights are the direct result of the philosophical heritage that a pan-northern European Christian culture uniquely created. Polluting it with other cultures deliberately is intended to destroy that philosophy to pave the way for our coming Communist workers paradise.

    At this point, the various tribal European cultures have intermingled so much that it is no longer possible to distinguish the various flavors of Celts, Germans/Goths, Slavs, etc. that make up what we call white people today. All of them originated in south central Asia anyway, if you want to get technical. The Iranians are the truest Aryans actually. They were an off shoot of the Aryan tribe of Turkic horse nomads and settled in the province of Fars in south western Iran around 3000 BC. Iran literally means land of the Aryans.

    White people has become a euphemism for a pan northern European culture that became the Leitkultur for the US. So you’re really beating up WW over a technicality in definition as well as your own need to prove your atheism is superior to WW’s faith. The decision to focus on race in our society has been that of the Left, in order to destabilize this Leitkultur and it has been a determined effort. Your arguments are evidence of that success.

    I reject them out of hand for the simple reason they seek my destruction and all that I hold dear. Wanting to preserve what you hold dear and know to be good and probably superior to the alternatives is not being ignorant. It is a natural and highly sensible instinct that all humans share. I respect someone who can make the same distinction as I do. This was all a common sense truism in the Ancient world. Only we moderns could distort such thinking with our artifical distance from nature.

    I also have no problem with anyone else being proud of their culture. I have a deep fascination and respect for all of the most advanced cultures throughout history- India, China, and Persian,as well as Greco-Roman. I don’t want to conquer them or destroy them, I want to live in peace with them. However, I don’t want to be subjugated by them either, and your thinking will ultimately lead to exactly that.

    When these high ancient cultures were at their pinnacles of success, Celts, Germans, and Slavs, were illiterate cattle herders with iron age technology but neolithic political structures. The Chinese were the first people to have a city of over a million people and that was 2500 years ago, when Rome was still a dusty settlement of mud brick buildings overlooking the Tiber. The Chinese have noi shame in thinking tjhis way and will dominate us one day because they indeed think this way and we are telling ourselves to turn the other cheek and pretend it never happened. they have experienced the pain of being the world’s most advanced culture but dominated by barbarians and have sworn to never let it happen again. I understand them completely. My not wanting to be subjugated by Chinese, Indian, Amero-hispanic, or Afro-American cultures does not make me a semi-moron, rather it is a natural instinct to preserve who I am and what I am for posterity. You give the Chinese a pass, why not WW? Do you hate yourself and who you are?

    Don’t call me a bigot for wanting to do the same while giving the less dominant cultures a pass. Moreover, if the cultures being promoted in this country by the Left were able to compete successfully with pan northern European culture without artificial support from the state, they would have done so on their own without that support. They are being promoted in order to destroy my culture and I for one will not sit idly by and watch it happen while people such as yourself try to shame me for being a man with a pair of balls who gives a shit about who he is and where he came from. If you have no pride in your culture and who you are, you have nothing to offer others and no reason for them to listen to you either. Its the same as with women. In the end, this is the difference between being an Alpha and a Beta. I know where I stand on this question, do you?

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  439. @ Gorbachev:

    Anglo and Spanish colonizers were only incidentally from the same continent. Their entire cultural outlook was entirely different.

    Not true. Both were Christian cultures and saw themselves as common brothers with a heritige leading back to Rome and to the Catholic church. It was only when Britain became Protestant that they began to seriously distinguish themselves from one another culturally. That was about this time, but the older belief in a common Catholic Christian culture was still very strong. You remember Guy- AKA Guido Fawlkes, do you not? His confession is signed Guido, as he had been a Spanish mercenary fighting in Holland. The gunpowder plot was a cabal of Englishmen and pro-Spanish in order to return England to the mother Catholic church and rid it of evil protestantism.

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  440. Gotta say that WW made her points racefully yesterday against hyper-aspie attacks from Gorbachev and sputtering abuse from Sidewinder. Nice how a middle aged woman shows up two (presumably) white men. As usual, I enjoyed Nicole’s and Tyrone’s responses as well.

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  441. “gracefully” not “racefully”. Heh, no freudian slip intended.

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  442. @chic noir

    Sounds like I have more in common with the Amish than I previously thought. Too bad when you lack political power sometimes you are forced against your will to conform. Hence many Amish leaving their special colony and getting cell phones.

    Pretty tragic you place so much emphasis on fame in such a dismal place. I wish you luck in your blogging that will never be famous… I presume you already know why. Hint: Being an Oreo doesn’t help.

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  443. @Doug1

    Indian torture of their indian, and sometimes white, captives was often extreme. See e.g. the Hurons in the really well done and not PC, but not Euro triumphalist either, Black Robe. About Jesuit priests in 1600s French Canada, then extending into the Great Lakes area, canoeing on the lakes to encounter AmerIndians there, some friendly and some hostile to the French. French fur traders have been there first, but it’s early contact times.

    I don’t know who claimed scalping wasn’t an Indian invention. Its probably a PC myth. Supposedly they learned it from the Vikings, but I’m skeptical of that. I just threw it in there in case somone tried to refute my arguments with it.

    Black Robe is a brilliant film. Very respectful of all cultures and good at showing the common points of religion and culture as well as where they diverged. I wanted to use it in my comment too, but refrain from using films as historical references, even ones as good as that one is. I encourage everyone to see it. I’ve watched it probably 7 or 8 times and own it on DVD.

    I’ll always remember how the Indians sat in the room waiting for the clock to strike the hour. They thought it was a God trying to speak to them. This is all true BTW. There used to be a great children’s adventure book called Captured by the Mohawks. It chronicled the life of Pierre Radisson who founded the Hudson Bay company and is the name sake of Radisson hotels, which I believe evolved out of the Hudson Bay Company in the 19th century. He describes life as an Iroquois Warrior in great detail as he was captured and raised by them from boyhood to be one of them. He also described an incident similar to the clock scene as well as the tortures used. Collecting scalps was already a big deal among the Iroquois in 1634. Dong Dong Dong, Captain Clock!

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  444. The problem with America is that it has become a centralized mob-o-cracy. The universal vote should have never been given, especially since the majority of people know nothing about politics or the impact policies have on society in the long term.

    Adding to this is the fact that women overwhelming vote socialist. Thanks to well coordinated superficial appeals to primitive emotions, politicians have learnt to game women to achieve political dominance. Now, the politician with the best PR female-centric campaign wins rather than the most competent (however much of an oxymoron this is).

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  445. [Sounds like I have more in common with the Amish than I previously thought.]

    Few American film characters turned me on like the Amish woman in the film “Witness”.

    Harrison Ford’s character was super dumb to walk away from her at the end.

    He wasn’t going to get anywhere close to that quality in modern Philadelphia.

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  446. Jerry,
    Harrison Ford and Kelly McGillis did have a lot of chemistry in “Witness”. The movie did in one scene contrast Rachel (the Amish woman) to Harrison Ford’s stressed out sister living in Philadelphia. Rachel was so much calmer.

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  447. on July 8, 2010 at 11:59 am White Woman

    PA Thanks for the compliment. I’ve learned a lot on this blog site…a lot of people here are much more educated than I. It inspires me to learn more.

    Tyrone and everyone, “we see through a glass darkly” right now when it comes to history, don’t we? We only know what we’re told and what archeologists find from time to time and even those accounts are likely biased. I try to keep an open mind about everything because there could be another “find” tomorrow that would blow all our perceptions.

    Catherine I would gladly give up my right to vote if it would keep other women from voting. Oh God, now I’ve said it. God save me from the militant Fembots!

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  448. @Jerry:

    I think Kelly Mcgillis is not very representative of true Amish women. I thought she was hot too, though. BTW, Kelly came out of the closet a couple of years back as a lesbian. Too bad. Maybe it was just a publicity stunt for an over the hill actress.

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  449. on July 8, 2010 at 12:10 pm White Woman

    Here’s the guy Obama and Holder let loose after being convicted of voter intimidation.

    He says (among other things) that Blacks are going to have to kill some White babies.

    Can you imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and this guy was a White man spewing racist crap about Black people?

    Obama’s racism is the reason I’m a White Nationalist.

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  450. WW, Obama’s politically correct racism is why you should NOT be a White Nationalist. You are letting liberal PC culture frame the issue, and you are falling into line exactly as their frame dictates. The better tact is to transcend the frame, and call out the hypocrisy, not become the justification for it.

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  451. on July 8, 2010 at 12:26 pm White Woman

    I have thought about what you’ve said before. This could be a setup right?

    The thing is though, I’m not doing anything wrong. I’m not hateful toward any race (or whatever you guys want to call it). I only want my race to survive and thrive. What’s wrong with that?

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  452. on July 8, 2010 at 1:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””’PA
    For all of its disease-like qualities, feminism was a major product of Anglo culture. It’s seducing women everywhere, now, too. And all modern political structures are essentially Anglo, too, with some exceptions (China, Russia); but the international regimes are Anglo creations.

    I have no idea what you’re tryng to say here.

    Problem is, if we get lost, so does everyone else.

    The West’s quandry is that it’s hope lies in rival civilizations swallowing the same anglo-created poisin that we ourselves ate. A disinterested observer would be justified in wishing the anglo culture to oblivion.

    ”””””

    Exactly right now where I am at they have a culture. TV bullshit is just hitting mass homes. They have family around all over they get together all the time. They have a lot of free time to cement bonds as well. They go off to other countries to work but come back with loot. They are able to retire not at a government allowed age of 65 but basically whenever they get their loot together. So they don’t make as much as americans but they have vigins to marry and the woman tend to too. So yea now you see tv and a constant stream of win this buy this product and win all this money. Open a bank account here and you could win one of 50 cars. Tons and tons of lottery win this bullshit. They used to just save up cash for shit they wanted. Remember in the us when we went through are stage where everything had a fucking lottery attached to it. I do. State lotteries so that people play the lottery and never come to the realization that they could just work and not spend money and be well off instead of just putting that off because they could have the 1 in billion chance of winning.

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  453. on July 8, 2010 at 1:08 pm gunslingergregi

    Like when ya tell people to just save money and then can chill. Educated people don’t get it I wonder why?

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  454. on July 8, 2010 at 1:16 pm gunslingergregi

    I guess the reason why everyone is supposed to get an education we might just be too stupid to know we can’t get rich he he he

    Just like the dudes from india and phillipines and pakistan and freaking bosnia and sri lanka and napal and everywhere else where too uneducated to know that they where supposed to work their whole lives and marry a whore not just save money go home and get a nice virgin to marry and relac for the rest of the lives while popping out kids.

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  455. Sidewinder—

    @White Woman

    WW, if you’re Irish you aren’t white, so shut it. Your “race” is inbred.

    A truly idiotic beginning to a very uninformed, PC conformist, comment.

    Race is a human observation of characteristics, not some objective, clear-cut delineation between people.

    Wrong. Races can be and are all the time scientifically established. This is done in forensic anthropology from bones etc., for some purposes in medicine, and in genetic anthropology, tracing the prehistory of mankind. And so on.

    Humans are however dividable into an arbitrary number of races and subraces not some fixed or completely discrete number of categories. Further intermarriage does occur, and it’s especially prevalent in clineal zones, where the major races border each other and travel between wasn’t too difficult in historical and prehistorical times. E.g. NE Africa and Yemen etc. Or the Sudan and Egypt. N Africans overall are about 1/3 sub Saharan African and 2/3 Caucasians, e.g. Berbers, Arabs, etc. However the bottom rungs are often more black than this overall mixture, and the elites more Arab/Caucasian. It’s lumpy. Nonetheless N. Africans can be considered a sub race. And so on. Central Asians tend to be a blend of Caucasians and E. Asians – the steppe horse warriors saw to that in historical times.

    Or do you believe God created the different races 6000 years ago or something?

    The major geographic races certainly divided for the most part into largely intraracially breeding populations a good lot earlier than that yes. Homo Sapiens out of Africa a couple of times it now seems most likely around 80-60k years ago. Making the African/non African racial split the oldest. One of those two major streams of out of Africa seems to have traveled a coastal, probably shellfish and fish eating route, along land now inundated since the end of the last ice age, around the rim of the Indian ocean. They left early genetically surviving populations of Homo sapiens (meeting homo erectus) in India and islands of SE Asia (negritos, etc), and then onto New Guinea, Macronesia (Solomon Is. etc.) and Australia.

    Another homo sapiens out of Africa stream passed through Egypt and Israel/Palestine up into the Middle East and then branching towards Europe on the one hand, and Asia generally on the other. The Europe/East Asia split was another major racial divide (Caucasians/East Asians of course). Others occurred between NE Asia and SE Asia. Another when NE and arctic Asians traveled over the then land route Bering Straight into the Americas, become AmerIndians, and for awhile enjoying no doubt hunter’s paradise conditions and population explosion, before they wiped out most of the megafauna of the Americas. Including horse type animals, and yeah the woolly mammoth.

    Assuming you aren’t that ignorant, all humans of all races share a common set of ancestors (setting aside the neanderthal hypothesis for now), so the racial differences we now observe were created by thousands and thousands of generations of natural selection and mate choice.

    See the above. A thousand generations is roughly 25k years. Your thousands and thousands of generations is a great exaggeration and betrays deep ignorance about what is known on this subject. In fact your thousands and thousands of generations is more like what it took for homo sapiens to emerge, and then become Homo sapiens sapiens maybe 60k years ago, when fully modern language fully developed, and a bit later, rich material culture as seen in tool kits discovered by physical anthropologists. (Yeah this may partially leave out the Aust. Aborigines on this, who do with certain San or click peoples from their language or Bushmen, to be the lowest IQ races or subraces of homo Sapiens still extant.)

    You seem completely unaware that current genetic work is indicating that there probably was more evolutionary genetic change in the last 10k years than in the prior 50k years. See e.g. Cochran and Harpendig “The Last 10,000 Years”. Beyond the genetic evidence, it makes sense to think that the emergence of agriculture, far more dense and numerous human populations among some groups, towns and cities, with increasing rates of technological change and progress accompanying, had a great impact on human evolution, esp. among certain groups who got it relatively early. The popular view e.g. as promulgated by Gould and most school textbooks that human evolution stopped 50-75k years ago, just before the slit of the major races, was and is a leftist just so story. Made up to quell thinking that the races might have evolved to be substantially different, and not just superficially different (color of his skin).

    Back in the day, these prehistoric humans were not concerned in building a white, black or asian race.

    This is highly misleading. Human cultures have always strongly determined who girls can mate with and have children. That includes hunter gatherer groups. Rarely since homo sapiens emerged has female “gina tingle” been as determinative as it is today in e.g. the US and Britain, as to who a girls copulates with. Marriages were almost always semi arranged. The girl might or might not have veto power re: a really unappealing choice to her, but she about never had unconstricted choice. Marriages were designed to cement tribal or band alliances, or to forge new ones. In pre agricultural HG times, bride raiding was a major reason for skirmishes between bands. There’s evidence that during this period deaths per capita from such primitive warfare were higher than e.g. the wars of the 20th century. Of course the population base was vastly smaller back then.

    Why would one want to try to preserve something that has always been changing and evolving according to natural selection? We’d be better off if we just mated with who we really wanted to mate with.

    In most cultures, particularly in most advanced civilizations, there are taboo ethnicities or races whom it’s very disfavored for that group’s women to marry. Culture is an integral part of human society, technology and evolution. Sometimes these taboos might seem to an outsider to make little sense (aside from preserving ethnic or racial seperateness) and sometimes they make a lot of sense. They are however quintessentially human and very widespread. And yes, human societies have generally tended to want or be happy enough seeing their girls marry up, not only w/respect to the individual but also his ethnicity, but not so happy about their girls marrying down to a less successful group.

    The current politically correct view that no kinds of intermarriage can be culturally disfavored by a group, or really if we’re honest, what it amounts to is that Euro derived ethnicities (aka whites) cannot, or else it’s “racist, racist, racist” and deeply immoral, is what is brand new, and a huge outlier in human history. Some degree of racialism, certainly of racial awareness without necessarily hate, is common and normal in all ethnicities and races. It’s only really attacked by PC ideology when openly expressed among whites.

    This PC “racist, racist, racist” (and “sexist”, “sexist”, “sexist”) set of taboos comes from cultural Marxism of course, as does second wave and later feminism, and the whole multicultural ethos, all cultures must be considered equal by whites to them in all things of importance. Whites can’t judge any other group, but boy should they be subject to endless one sided, can’t punch back critique by all others.

    We’re talking most of all about black male, white female mating, marriage and child bearing. There are all sorts of reasons why whites and yes particularly white males as WW says mate guarding the girls as is natural in all ethnicities and races, who want their own culture to continue to strongly disfavor white girls marrying with blacks. Blacks are clearly the least intelligent of the major races in America endless testing has shown despite unending leftist intellectuals efforts to discredit same, for some combination of genetic and durable cultural reasons, that have resisted 60 years of efforts to greatly ameliorate. Even if a smart black guy is chosen, there’s regression to the mean. Black men abandon their white wives w/young children far more often than white men do. Anecdotally see e.g. Barack Obama and Halley Barry’s black dads. Mixed black/white children according to the black community operating e.g. when the kid goes to school if not well before, are entirely black, and must identify as black. White mothers and white grandparents and other relatives are not allowed by PC to challenge this. Yes indeed there’s all sorts of reasons to continue to shame white girls away from going w/black men.

    However now official PC mass media entertainment culture is strongly pushing white girls to go black in their dating and mating choices. Such couplings held up as normal or even with it and trendy, have been featured in Hollywood movies and TV shows especially over the last 7 or so years. MTV in particular gets to young girls young these days and for a decade or more now, with this message. It’s at root cultural Marxist. It’s also heavily Jewish lead, for complex reasons, but most of all so that Jews aren’t isolated as a small minority, but instead there’s a complex racial/ethnic soup, blended and lumpy, but not too lumpy, in America. And just because Jews have tended to be so leftist since the mid 19th century.

    Not saying black/white matings and marriages should be illegal, no. But the shaming as “racist, racist, racist” of all cultural pressure from whites for white girls to not go there also needs to be stood up to. It may be racialist, but there’s absolutely nothing wrong with it. Besides most white girls who go this route are serious sluts. For that too they should be shammed, and shunned by white guys as LTR partners when and if they see the light on who they’d like to marry.

    And no I’m not now nor ever have been a white nationalist. Never hung out with same in real life or online. In fact in real life I grew up and remain a SWPL, other than in politics and trendy conformity. Don’t believe in white separatism — though do believe in immigration control. Most interracial marriage doesn’t bother me in fact. Asia and white for example. There it usually is a mixed child that’s considered that by both communities, with a union rather than a white girl and half white child submergence in a less successful culture/race as happens w/black male, white female marriages very very often.

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  456. @Sidewinder
    WW, Obama’s politically correct racism is why you should NOT be a White Nationalist. You are letting liberal PC culture frame the issue, and you are falling into line exactly as their frame dictates. The better tact is to transcend the frame, and call out the hypocrisy, not become the justification for it.

    The whole point of PC is to stifle alternative thought. Its a no win situation to seek and transcend or to accomodate it. It must be confronted head on. The people who believe that crap are self deluding and can’t be reasoned with. Communists argue to win, not to seek truth.

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  457. Doug — am curious about two things:

    1) why is iq so important to you.

    2) what are your thoughts on the significant difference in average iq between asians and whites?

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  458. on July 8, 2010 at 3:02 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””On the other hand, a black guy living in the ghetto and dealing crack while he bangs his collection of hos may be American, but he represents a particularly wretched one.”””””

    Actually he represents free market business put into practice. He is someone with an entrepenurial spirit. Someone who could potentially make more money than someone working a job with a doctors degree. Someone who must be crushed by the intelligencia. The hos he fucks are giving permission to be fucked.

    The wretched black man is the one who kills people for change. Or robs a convenience store and kills the clerk or rapes woman because he can’t get any. The one the intelligencia like because it keeps people working their asses off to not be in those areas. These are the ones moved next door to normal working class folk.

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  459. on July 8, 2010 at 3:11 pm gunslingergregi

    If you want to help black peple legalize what they are good at. I don’t really believe the sports propaganda since from an early age blacks are picked to be running backs and fullbacks and wide recievers and whites are picked for quarterback. It doesn’t just magically happen at the collegiate level nor professional. Just that there are no whites all the way down to grade school at those positions and no black quarterbacks as well. But yea businessmen on the drug side let em do it. Let em pimp what is the problem ain’t hurtin nobody except they get to make decent money with no education and no skill other than talking some game.

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  460. on July 8, 2010 at 3:25 pm gunslingergregi

    Even as far as the almost all white infantry why is that so. It is because at the meps station you are offered like 3 jobs when you enlist. I had a 126 gt score they didn’t tell me I could do any job the army had they offered me petroleum specialist pumping gas or heavy contruction equipment mechanic or logistical coorfinator computer work for maintenance. So I took mechanic because only had to enlist 2 and a half years. Then the fine print is now they own you for 8 years no matter how long you enlist for. Didn’t know until later you only need 110 gt to apply for any job in army. But yea. I thought I was high and didn’t meet anyone who beat that until I got to iraq and met a first seargent with a 149 from way back in day. But anyway obviously they are wanting an all white infantry. Although I suppose blacks aren’t fighting to get it either. But yea when ya get out the actual jobs in the army (not infantry) transfer better to government jobs unless you went special forces then you make bank. So then you have higher chance of minorities (qualifying) for government jobs because they achieve the experience qoutient. Basically shit is all fucking engineered the way it is. It is ok for diversity in our country but when it comes to where the metal meets the meet someone seems to think that it is better to have all of one ethnicity and is following through on it. Talk one way but perform another.

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  461. @gunslingergregi

    Everyone knows the whites make up the majority of officers in the armed forces and the minorities make up the expendable grunts. Just like football the mass of ex-slaves are run by their Caucasian masters.

    Everyone is racist though people should accept this fact and get over it. Every nation is out for its self interest, the only way to eliminate this would be to create a one new world order. I doubt that would eliminate religious and ethnic fighting though. Diversity+proximity always results in warfare.

    The thing about blacks is that the majority of them detract from society, resulting in a net negative. They are the highest welfare recipients, minority with the highest out of wedlock births, violence between same race and lowest IQ and educational attainment. Can’t really blame them, since many of them are descendant of slaves, who were bred for physical labor and not intellectual pursuits. Many of them aren’t feminists, because that would be conspicuous consumption. Only those who have resources for education and free time can ponder and adopt the idiotic ideas of feminism. Majority of black women are busy collecting food stamps and taking care of their 4 bastard kids. That’s the cold hard truth and there should be no guilt for seeing them as inferior. Let’s also not forget that African countries take up the top spots for worst indexes around the globe for poverty, diseases and corruption.

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  462. on July 8, 2010 at 4:36 pm White Woman

    gunslingergregi – I haven’t studied this in depth but my understanding is that Black boys/men develop at an earlier age than White boys/men so they often dominate certain sports (like football) at the high school level. White men catch up later but if they go to a mixed race school, they’ve spent a lot of time “on the bench” so don’t have as much experience under their belt to compete well at the varsity and college level.

    Apparently though…predominantly White High School Varsity football teams do quite well because the White boys/men have had the opportunity to play more and often catch up developmentally by Jr and Sr year.

    Incidentally, I was in the military as well (in the olden days) and had a high GT score. Like you, technically I could have done any job but they pushed me toward administrative work. I was too dumb to know what was happening and in retrospect, I’m really GLAD it happened. I can say from personal experience, there are very few women that belong in the military and I’m living proof of it.

    Guys don’t beat me up for being prior military. I didn’t know any better!

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  463. LILGRL–

    Doug — am curious about two things:

    1) why is iq so important to you.

    2) what are your thoughts on the significant difference in average iq between asians and whites?

    1) I like you LiL, but who do you think you’re foolin’? I’d say IQ matters a good deal more to you than to me. You’re constantly on, on your own blog, about how smart your now husband Poxy is, but also how little he thinks IQ matters. Well it’s good social skills for anyone highly blessed w/a positive trait to downplay how must they stand out: pretty girls are well advised to downplay any idea that that is cosmically important w/other girls, and to tell those other girls that they’re also pretty; rich men are well advised to downplay the cosmic importance of their money when dealing with notably less rich friends or the public, and so on.

    As for how much IQ matters, it matters a whole lot up to a point, and then for the vast majority of things in life including jobs there are steeply diminishing returns. Hell the US military thinks that. That’s why it gives all enlistees a mandatory GT (“general technical”) test which is really a form of IQ test. It gives recruits choices of military position based upon the results with definite cutoffs (though of course the military’s needs in different areas are also very important in what’s offered a particular scoring recruit. There are all kinds of studies showing how IQ is strongly predictive of both school and work success.

    It’s nowhere near 100% predictive of either however. Drive, conscientiousness, sociability, leadership skills, charisma, physical looks and height even in men, all play a role in success. None of these are nearly as thoroughly studied however, nor as of yet as readily and reproducibly quantifiable as IQ is.

    2) NE Asians (Japan, Korea and China) have reported IQs of about 105, averaging through different tests and studies. That’s higher than the average Euro ethnicity/white average of 100. The difference is essential all on the visiospatial side of IQ tests. This has an overlap with math abilities, though so does verbal intelligence. On the verbal side the results are essentially the same average as whites/Euros, or in some tests very slightly lower.

    SE Asians as a whole have IQs in the mid to lower 90s area depending on ethnicity. Vietnamese may come in somewhat higher. For one thing, there are many Chinese ethnics there (but more in Malaysia).

    The average IQ in India seems to be in the mid to low 80s. A good part of this may be port nutrition and perhaps also cultural deprivation among the poor, lower castes. There may well be differences in IQ among different Indian castes. After all, they are at least ideologically endogenous groups, only marrying within the caste (usually really regional caste). In America we tend to only get smart or very smart Indians, due to the nature of which Indians we’ve given visas to and so on.

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  464. on July 8, 2010 at 5:24 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””’The_King
    @gunslingergregi

    Everyone knows the whites make up the majority of officers in the armed forces and the minorities make up the expendable grunts. Just like football the mass of ex-slaves are run by their Caucasian masters.
    ”””””””””
    Wrong.
    You didn’t read what I said. Everyone knows a movie where they said that.
    What I said was:

    ””””’Even as far as the almost all white infantry why is that so. It is because at the meps station you are offered like 3 jobs when you enlist.”””””””

    The expendable grunts the infantry the guys who kill and our killed the guys going into iraqi towns where they can be killed are supermajority white. People are basically told what choice of jobs they will have by army therefore the army is who is making them all white. Compared to walking into an administrative office.
    Go even further the truck drivers are almost 100 percent white in the civilian side of the house. Like 99.99 percent.
    The people who can be blown up at any time by ied. The escort drivers for those people white. The guys living in shitty forward bases where no woman can go are almost all white.

    ”””””White Woman
    Incidentally, I was in the military as well (in the olden days) and had a high GT score. Like you, technically I could have done any job but they pushed me toward administrative work. I was too dumb to know what was happening and in retrospect, I’m really GLAD it happened. I can say from personal experience, there are very few women that belong in the military and I’m living proof of it.

    ””””’
    So you never carried your own bag is what your saying once you got to unit eh
    So maybe you can enlighten as to how paperwork is done and maybe fill in some color on admin workers.

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  465. Gunslingergregi–

    So what kinds of jobs w/in the military do black guys and girls tend to get/want to do? There are a large percentage of them aren’t there? 20% or so of the military is black, versus 12.5% of the overall civillian population. At least as of 2003 I just saw on the web.

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  466. on July 8, 2010 at 6:16 pm Gunslingergregi

    Anything that requires a picture to get the job.

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  467. @Doug1, RebelliousVanilla, and everyone else,

    Just a note on race:

    Me: I’m not a racial nationalist for reasons of biology. I do, however, like a lot of weenie pseudo-libertarians, support the general principle of eugenics, in a social sense. If we can breed docile dogs, we can breed docile people. If we can breed smart dogs, we can breed smart people. Whether or not we want to is another matter.

    Simply focusing on “whiteness” or “Blackness” or “Asianness” misses the entire point and glosses over way, way, too much to be an accurate way to see the world.

    First: Race is a definite biological reality. PCers have it all wrong. But race is *also* an arbitrary social construct. And the two are not the same. This is what bothers me about racial nationalism: it draws in biological data to support a social construct, and ignores the biological view when it’s convenient. The biological view does not always support the general views of those who have racial philosophies.

    “Types” and “Essentialism”

    A common human error is ascribing objects to categories according to observable “types”. This is an advantage when describing what are functionally discrete units, like apples and oranges, in how we use them, because this helps us work in the world.

    There’s also a tendency to see “essences” in things, like the “essence” of Fruit-ness or Foreign-ness or Happiness or Heaviness. It’s a quasi-mystical sense, a feeling, and gives rise to all kinds of religious or philosophical ideas, but it’s all coming form the same programmed instinct, that objects or even states have some sort of essence. Let’s just call it “essentialism”.

    Biblical literalists do this, and it’s why they fundamentlaly mistake the nature of living things. In their view, a Monkey is completely separate from an e-coli bacterium and bears no relation – it’s a separate creation. Lizards may all be related to each other, but their “essence” is different from the “essence” of anything else. There’s some fundamental “Doggishness” about dogs that Cats just don’t share. They are different “types”.

    But biology doesn’t work this way. It’s all about genes and statistical distributions and population genetics. Either diachronically or spatially, all things mush together like a kind of porridgey oatmeal.

    There are many gray zones, areas where it’s impossible to clearly draw distinctions. Within populations, speciation is always going on around us: it starts, gets going, then stops, then starts again, as gene frequencies and patterns flow and change like puddle of water sloshing about. When there’s an interruption – a river splits a population, a parasite or disease starts to cut out the middle ground in the host’s population distribution, etc.– then the raw material of genetic diversity starts to allow speciation in earnest, and the gene distribution gets split.

    The fact that dogs and cats are different and can’t breed is actually misleading, when you consider the actual nature of life itself. While true they can’t breed, we instinctively jump to the conclusion that there is a “dog-ness” or “cat-ness”. There is no such thing. The only reason we see “types” is because the gray zone elements in between have gone extinct or diverged or otherwise disappeared over time: evolution.

    I don’t want to overstate this, but when you get to human population genetics, we often fumble when it comes to race for the same reason. We think in terms of “types” and absolutes when, especially when it comes to humans, it’s all about distributions and curves and not absolutes, at all. Most humans are very similar to each other, relative to other species. Our distinctions are relatively minor compared to other species of animal, though obviously important to us on the ground.

    Human races may have cores, central elements, but the problem here is that the edges are always very fluid. Any gene present in one group is almost certainly found, even if in differing proportions, in another group.

    One thing about humans: they tend to fuck each other. A lot. Breeding has one central choice component: Proximity. One racial nationalist may rail against it, but all it takes is a few errant breeders (“race traitors”) to introduce new genes, over several generations, into a population. By the time anything can be done about it, those genes are everywhere.

    HBD

    HBD acknowledges that humans are just animals, like any other, and like red vs. black genes in squirrels or shell shape in a species of snail, there’s going to be lots of population variation. Denying this is a PC self-delusion.

    Some people are clearly genetically smarter, more passive, more violent, more altruistic, more whatever. Some populations have more or less of these traits. To anyone with eyes, this is obvious.

    Some populations may have more or less of a set of genes. For example, I’d guess that there might possibly be something to the Disease Resistance vs. Intelligence argument for why many black people seem to be more physically robust and less bright. Evolution played itself out in tropical areas of Africa.

    Race

    So – now we’re at race.

    We see white people, and we define a “white” race. We see black people, and we define a “black” race.

    There’s an essential “blackness”, so that if a child is half-black, his Whiteness is tainted with Blackness, and the child is considered Black. It’s essentialism again.

    The facts are, though – it’s entirely possible (and quite likely) that, by and large, a given individual in population A (let’s say, Mongolia) has more in common with an individual in population B (Let’s say, Switzerland), in given traits, than they do with their co-racialists.

    Those traits might be intelligence, musical inclination, mathematical ability, height, whatever.

    So – there’s no essential “black racialness”. And within the “white” population, there are going to be huge variances in genetic tendency distributions.

    The same goes for Asian people. There’s no “asian race” – there are lots of sub-groups.

    We run off appearance alone. This is a huge mistake. it’s a shorthand for recognition purposes. But this shorthand doesn’t carry enough information to base actual policy on.

    There are extremely smart black people; very competent intellectuals who are from places like Nigeria; and there are extremely stupid Chinese people (millions of them, actually).

    If we’re going to go all Racial and start measuring the quality of people, while race can give us some ideas, we still need to measure people individually.

    It’s entirely possible that a smart black man whose family immigrated to France could be a better and more *valuable* (and more French) French man than a white man whose family can trace its roots back to Merovingian kings.

    In terms of building a decent society, this outlook will work far better than arbitrary notions of “race”.

    When an Estonian or an Ethiopian arrive in America, as a potential American, they’re both equally valuable, until you start to evaluate them on an individual basis.

    I’d guess that more often than not, Asians and Europeans will turn out to be better engineers; but there will be good doctors and engineers and great American patriots born of all groups. It’s all about proportions.

    And if *we* collectively create policies that have poor, stupid people breeding out of control and being supported by the tax dollars of the successful, then that’s entirely our own fault. We can easily reverse this process.

    But wild racial nationalism obscures reality and the politically possible with simple prejudice. And that’s just plain dumb

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  468. You’re constantly on, on your own blog, about how smart your now husband Poxy is, but also how little he thinks IQ matters.

    THIS. has basically nothing to do with his IQ. Smart people would be able to figure this out, hmm?

    [editor: i’m not following THIS discussion, but isn’t it a little silly to attempt to drive a semantical wedge between smarts and IQ? the terms are essentially synonyms.]

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  469. There may well be differences in IQ among different Indian castes.

    Astronomical, I’ve heard.

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  470. on July 8, 2010 at 7:42 pm White Woman

    I already have a headache Gorb so I can’t read that looooong post you made. Someone give me the Cliff Notes pretty please?

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  471. on July 8, 2010 at 7:53 pm White Woman

    ok, had to read it.

    Gorb said: If we’re going to go all Racial and start measuring the quality of people, while race can give us some ideas, we still need to measure people individually.

    As a White Nationalist, I don’t recall “measuring the quality of people” as you say. In fact you seem to have done more of that than anyone here.

    My stance is simply this; there are parties that hate White/European types (however they want to define them) and would like to see them killed or just bred out. I don’t like it and I am telling White/Europeans (whoever wants to identify themselves as such) about it so we can fight against it. For White/Euros to bury their heads in the sand or get diverted by the “race is just a social construct” argument is suicide.

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  472. on July 8, 2010 at 7:56 pm Trimegistus

    Nobody here understands biology worth a damn. IQ is not a measurement of your intelligence. It is a measurement of how well you take IQ tests. We all know people who have high IQ scores who are dumb as a box of hammers, and we all know people who aren’t “book smart” but have excellent judgement and depth of knowledge. To say that America is in danger of getting “dumber” because our high-IQ individuals don’t have many kids indicates a touching childlike faith in IQ tests — and a profound ignorance of evolution.

    Breeding for traits takes dozens or hundreds of generations. People could breed dogs and cattle because they mature in a year or two, so even a single human’s lifespan was dozens of generations. To breed any trait into humans would take centuries if not millennia. America can easily lose every single person who scored more than 100 on IQ tests and in the next generation the distribution of scores would be almost identical.

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  473. @ White woman
    I may be ‘burying in the sand’ or just being plain stupid, but who are these parties who want to see me being killed or bred out? Just want to know so I can watch out for them (as if from reading on this blog, I don’t already have to watch out for PUA 5s and below with super entitlement (but luckily I’m over 30 so it shouldn’t be too bad)), now you’ve got me worried about being murdered.

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  474. And can they breed me/my line out without my consent at breeding with them?

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  475. Nobody here understands biology worth a damn. IQ is not a measurement of your intelligence. It is a measurement of how well you take IQ tests. We all know people who have high IQ scores who are dumb as a box of hammers, and we all know people who aren’t “book smart” but have excellent judgement and depth of knowledge. To say that America is in danger of getting “dumber” because our high-IQ individuals don’t have many kids indicates a touching childlike faith in IQ tests — and a profound ignorance of evolution.

    TRUTH.

    [editor: LIE.]

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  476. Knowledge is power.

    The intelligent sectors in society knows this and will do everything to control information via media propaganda and religion. In a modern consumerist society, intelligence is a commodity which explains why white collar professionals generally will get paid more than blue collar workers.

    Asians in general have higher average IQ because of their culture. Intelligence is heavily factored into social class and occupation. China is famous for having academic tracts and separate people based on their intelligence. Obviously those who go to prestigious schools end up with the highest and most prestigious jobs.

    Blacks will continue to make up the minority because they were bred to be physical labors and lack the capability to compete with Asians and Whites. It will be a while until their IQ averages out to whites and Asians. This will obviously take over 100s of years and isn’t a concern to any of us.

    Racism will always exist until the world becomes totally homogeneous.

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  477. on July 8, 2010 at 8:55 pm White Woman

    Well raping women is one way to change the racial “complexion” of a country but that would one of those worst case scenario type things.

    Breeding out the White race is done by brainwashing the sheeple that they SHOULD date outside their race if they want to be good, tolerant, cool people. When you consider the fact that as of 2008 only 12.4% of Americans identified as Black or African American (only), why are those that watch TV constantly shown images and stories about mixed race couples…and typically where the man is Black and the woman is White? It’s out of balance when you consider that as of 2007 only 4.6% of all married Blacks in the United States were wed to a White partner. There’s something fishy about the disparity between the number of inter-racial marriages in real life and inter-racial marriages on TV and in the movies…wouldn’t you agree?

    Getting rid of the White/Euro race can also happen where goverments ignore crimes (particularly murders) of White/Euros. This is happening in South Africa with the Boer (they are of European descent) farmers…some evil Black men are picking them off one or two at a time in their homes and they often don’t even steal anything so it becomes ever so obvious that it’s a racially motivated crime. The are seeking revenge for aparteid…as if these farmers had anything to do with that! The goverment in South Africa does very little about it and recently a cop was driving the getaway car. http://afrikaner-genocide-achives.blogspot.com/

    With Obama and Eric Holder (the Attorney General) allowing the New Black Panthers to get away with voter intimidation, it becomes obvious that terrorism of White people could happen here too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BemSmTNDxU

    Also, the media highlights White on Black crime and ignores Black on White crime (which is a LOT more prevalent).

    This should get you started….let me know if you want more info.

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  478. on July 8, 2010 at 8:57 pm White Woman

    Stuck in mod….

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  479. on July 8, 2010 at 9:00 pm White Woman

    Lily you need to make some White babies already.

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  480. on July 8, 2010 at 9:08 pm White Woman

    The_King I suspect that if anyone applies themselves they can overcome a lot…problem is if the parenting isn’t good, it’s almost impossible.

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  481. WW,

    As a white educated male, living in a big American urban center, and whose friends are mostly white with a sprinkling of other for good measure, but let’s be honest, mostly white, and as a guy who isn’t liberal politically and who’s seen enough of the world to be a convinced cultural imperialist, and as a bit of an American patriot:

    I find white nationalism misplaced. As a white American woman, you have more in common with your neighborhood black male than a white guy from Hungary or Sicily. Our nation was never all-white, by design or by chance. It always included others. They were allowed to join so long as they were willing to bend the knee and be Anglo-American. It’s when we allowed that to change that we started to suffer. There’s nothing wrong with letting in *good* Hispanic immigrants. It’s that we don’t require them to become American any more.

    I can cut to the chase more carefully: If I had a daughter, which I might some day:

    I’d consider a (successful) black American male more suitable, from an *ethnic* point of view, as a husband for any daughter I might ever have than a white person from, say, Hungary. Or Russia, or even Germany.

    I wouldn’t presume to question a daughter’s choice in this matter (nor would being an asshole about it help her at all), but if I were going to play the horse-trading game, as a white person, I’d pick a bona fide American (black) over a white foreigner.

    If this makes me a race-traitor, there’s a helluva lot of race traitors out there. Most of them, I’d guess.

    Germany-

    I knew a guy in Germany on the soccer team I played with. He was ex-German military, an engineering science graduate, with money and a fantastic job at a huge German multinational, managing a team of engineers. His origins: a black American orphan. He’d somehow landed with a German family as an infant; his father had been a black man in the American army in the Korean war, his mother unknown. I don’t remember the rest of his story, it was over beer and clods of turf that I heard it.

    Raised by Germans, taught at good German universities, he was as Krautish as a German gets. He was extremely bright and very successful. His wife was a tall, blonde Aryan German as pure as German blood gets, a nurse, and their two kids were Deutsch through and through. They were all Soccer nuts, which was the context I knew them in. He was also conservative when it came to European politics. He was treated as absolutely normal by everyone he met. He was criticized for being too conservative.

    There was nowhere for him to “go back home to”. He was an absolute, hard-core, bona-fide, successful and smart German. And black. Black *American* by blood, actually. The only place appropriate for him to be was Germany, and he was a great German. Most Germans had no problem with him. No-one asked him where he was from, especially after he opened his mouth.

    On the other hand, there were some basically Caucasian-White “Turks” there who spoke not a word of Turkish, spent their whole lives in Germany. Some looked like Turks, others were indistinguishable from White Germans (many Turks are basically Caucasian and are racially indistinguishable from Europeans; same blood). They were, in reality, “White Germans”. In a lineup, even other Germans wouldn’t be able to tell them apart from the average Kraut.

    But these white people were emphatically *not* Germans. They were not a bonus to their country. I doubt they even wanted to be. They were largely unsuccessful. They spent most of their time living on the dole and starting trouble.

    They were as German as Egyptians.

    If I were a German man with a German daughter and I wanted a nice German husband for her, all else being equal, there’s no way I’d choose the Caucasian “Turk” over the black German.

    “Whiteness” is not a nation. Your pride in “whiteness” is misplaced.

    You share more with your black co-citizens than you do with an Armenian.

    If we’re going to use HBD / racial principles to order society, we need to use them such that they make sense from both a social an biological point of view.

    PS – What may appear to be “pure” ethnicities are, if you go back far enough, often grab-bags of dozens of microgroups and assimilated non-similar races; the Japanese are a clear example of this, an ethnicity / race that emerged after a huge range of racial/ethnic groups blended together almost seamlessly).

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  482. @WW
    I already have a headache Gorb so I can’t read that looooong post you made. Someone give me the Cliff Notes pretty please?

    Feel free to tackle it in the morning.

    i could use some sleep, too.

    This blog is really distracting me from doing actual work. I guess we all have our drugs/video games.

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  483. on July 8, 2010 at 9:11 pm White Woman

    And your oreo comment to Chic Noir was uncalled for too.

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  484. Gorbachev–

    When an Estonian or an Ethiopian arrive in America, as a potential American, they’re both equally valuable, until you start to evaluate them on an individual basis.

    As a general matter I don’t to allow any substantial amount of immigration to ethnicities or races which our federal government and /or elites in universities and pressuring corps, feel deserve affirmative action.

    It seems obvious to me. Not to say I wouldn’t make individual exceptions but not so many.

    And yeah I’d far rather let in Estonians, white their Baltic/Scandanavian type culture and very very good female looks, than Ethiopians. People exist within cultures not solely as individuals.

    However with an existing citizen yes I think people should be evaluated only on the basis of their individual achievements and so on for jobs and places in schools. But without the cultural Marxism based social engineering of affirmative action and soft quotas based on the EEOC’s “disparate impact” criteria as well.

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  485. on July 8, 2010 at 9:39 pm White Woman

    Gorb you are completely missing my point and for some reason you keep putting words into my mouth. When did I talk about racial pride?

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  486. The King, I don’t think humanity ever will be or should be homogenous because of the variations of climate. Without White people, nobody could live and be okay in the colder but non arctic areas of western Europe.

    Already, there is a problem with vitamin D in Black children in the UK. There is probably an issue in the U.S. too that nobody wants to talk about for reasons that I mentioned before in the food/fat discussions. Nobody wants to be branded the next Dr. Mengele just for saying that yes, Black people’s needs are different.

    People will bring up the scarce few Black guys, probably with a lot genetically in common with whoever was the prime ancestor of White people, who went to the north pole or snowboard.

    The only way there would be a chance of humans becoming homogenous is if we all lose our ability to select based on compatibility and environment. Since that’s unlikely, homogeny is a pointless worry for race nationalists and a futile goal for the PC. It’s just not how nature works or even just how human selection works.

    I got an in-your-face example of some of how things work, even across races. I found out that one of my favorite friends here is related to my last boyfriend when I walked into a pub. They’re maternal cousins.

    No matter what society tries to herd you into or out of, you like what you like. If you have distinctive genetic traits that are indeed positive, superior, or even just plain preferable, you’re going to go for and attract people who have those in common with you. Even if they don’t look quite like your kind, they are anyway, so nobody’s race is at risk of annihilation through breeding.

    If you go with the flow, the introduction of new blood only enhances your race. It’ll only happen a little at a time anyway, and if you assimilate new allies properly, you don’t lose people.

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  487. on July 8, 2010 at 10:10 pm White Woman

    Germany’s Immigration Debate
    Politician Demands IQ Tests for Would-Be Immigrants

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,703328,00.html

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  488. on July 8, 2010 at 10:17 pm White Woman

    Nicole, how would Black blood enhance the White race? Far as I can tell 99% of the time, the babies of a (Black/White) mixed couple look Black….soooo that leaves the White race with ???

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  489. LiL–

    @Trimegistus–

    Nobody here understands biology worth a damn. IQ is not a measurement of your intelligence. It is a measurement of how well you take IQ tests. We all know people who have high IQ scores who are dumb as a box of hammers, and we all know people who aren’t “book smart” but have excellent judgement and depth of knowledge. To say that America is in danger of getting “dumber” because our high-IQ individuals don’t have many kids indicates a touching childlike faith in IQ tests — and a profound ignorance of evolution.

    TRUTH.

    Untruth. PC pretty lies. Arguing from a few unusual outliers to to derive a general truth. Garbage thought really.

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  490. on July 8, 2010 at 10:49 pm White Woman

    White Woman
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    on July 8, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    I’m trying this again since I wanted Lily to have an answer to her question:

    Well raping women is one way to change the racial “complexion” of a country but that would one of those worst case scenario type things.

    Breeding out the White race is done by brainwashing the sheeple that they SHOULD date outside their race if they want to be good, tolerant, cool people. When you consider the fact that as of 2008 only 12.4% of Americans identified as Black or African American (only), why are those that watch TV constantly shown images and stories about mixed race couples…and typically where the man is Black and the woman is White? It’s out of balance when you consider that as of 2007 only 4.6% of all married Blacks in the United States were wed to a White partner. There’s something fishy about the disparity between the number of inter-racial marriages in real life and inter-racial marriages on TV and in the movies…wouldn’t you agree?

    Getting rid of the White/Euro race can also happen where goverments ignore crimes (particularly murders) of White/Euros. This is happening in South Africa with the Boer (they are of European descent) farmers…some evil Black men are picking them off one or two at a time in their homes and they often don’t even steal anything so it becomes ever so obvious that it’s a racially motivated crime. The are seeking revenge for aparteid…as if these farmers had anything to do with that! The goverment in South Africa does very little about it and recently a cop was driving the getaway car. http://afrikaner-genocide-achives.blogspot.com/

    With Obama and Eric Holder (the Attorney General) allowing the New Black Panthers to get away with voter intimidation, it becomes obvious that terrorism of White people could happen here too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BemSmTNDxU

    Also, the media highlights White on Black crime and ignores Black on White crime (which is a LOT more prevalent).

    This should get you started….let me know if you want more info.

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  491. Doug —

    Are you kidding? Dude, what the hell? While the latter part of his comment (getting rid of everyone with an IQ over 100 would invariably result in a similar IQ spread as we have today) is some srs bull, do you HONESTLY think that IQ is correlated with common sense/social intelligence/ability to exist in the real world? Like, SRSLY. SRSLY. The people out there who are high-IQ and also smart in the non-transcendental way are the outliers, homie.

    Chances are, if you see a highly charismatic, alpha-type male who is successful at life and in love, he almost certainly has an IQ that is average or even below. If his IQ is above average, I would bet all my $100,000 of black jack money (won by using basic LIL strategy WINK WINK) that it is NOWHERE NEAR genius level. True story. True story.

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  492. SRY, I know Epoxy is posting — I suppose I do forget that I grew up in a world where avg. IQ is probably around 115-ish. So yeah, I shall amend my comment up there — most of the super awsm homies are probably just around LIL avg — above avg but still nowhere near genius level.

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  493. on July 8, 2010 at 11:53 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    Doug & LIL

    Ok, you guys are mostly talking past each other at this point; let me reconcile some of the things you’re saying.

    LIL Chances are, if you see a highly charismatic, alpha-type male who is successful at life and in love, he almost certainly has an IQ that is average or even below.
    This is a lie in the greater world at large, but LIL comes from a rarefied environment in which “average IQ” is probably around 115-120. Taken in that environment, what she’s saying is the truth. She’s like Richard Dawkins, though, in that she has an absolutely laughably high notion of what “average” is, since she’s never really interacted much with average or below-average people.

    The happy medium at which “alpha” is most likely to intersect with “success in the world at large” is probably around 1SD above the mean intelligence, i.e., 115ish.
    Much below this point, most people’s success will be limited in endeavors that require application of knowledge.
    Much above this point, most people’s success will be limited by their inability to relate to NORMAL people, who are much dumber than they are. Ever seen really smart people try to teach average people? It’s usually a fiasco.

    Doug –

    You are right in the sense that removal or, equivalently, non-reproduction of high-IQ people will have an adverse effect on heavily scientific and technological industries. However, it won’t be the catastrophe that you’re predicting.
    It might prevent the singularity from happening — which is probably a good thing; the chance that AI’s who are much, much smarter than us will be nice and kind to us is very small indeed. The singularity would almost certainly enslave humanity to its own creations, forever.

    On the other hand, there would also be a lot fewer global economic implosions and a lot fewer global military conflicts. When lower-IQ people are bad people, they mostly create local conflict; when higher-IQ people are bad people, they fuck up entire economies (like the morally bankrupt wall streeters) or they try to fuck up the whole world (the nazis were no slouches in IQ terms, nor were the equally evil japanese imperials).

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  494. W. Woman
    You ignorant slut. Mixed race babies all pop out looking pretty dam white. Even full on AA babies look sort of white. Melanin needs sunlight to darken things up.

    LilGirl
    You are OK, and I also hate the whole idea of IQ testing(once I learned I would not get the best score ever) but try to remember that whenever you use your computer or fly in an airplane or see a Doctor you are throwing yourself onto utter dependence on some guy with a high measured IQ.
    Just sayin.

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  495. Rum —

    I think I would rather have a DR with an above avg but not ridiculously high IQ. As far as I know, being a DR is much about memorization and “knowing” things and not so much about innovation. I’d much rather have a 120 IQ DR who knows what he’s doing, than a 200 IQ hotshot who can do advanced calculus in his head.

    HOW WILL THE ADVANCED CALCULUS HELP THE LIL?!

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  496. on July 9, 2010 at 12:03 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    Doug —

    But without the cultural Marxism based social engineering of affirmative action and soft quotas based on the EEOC’s “disparate impact” criteria as well.

    Race-based AA can make some sense, depending on the field. For instance, we need at least decent numbers of, say, doctors and lawyers who have both the cultural familiarity and the motivation to work with existing minority populations.
    In this sense, the admission of slightly less qualified black, Hispanic, etc. medical/legal candidates makes sense, because who else is going to want, as a first choice, to provide medical/legal services to those populations and neighborhoods?
    Given the limited number of spots available in those types of schools, a 100% purely merit-based approach would result in an entire class that would want to practice in posh private practices in Newport Beach and New York.

    Sex-based AA, on the other hand, is, was, and always will be retarded. If anything, there should be a moderate pro-male bias, since (1) men are more likely to support families with their professional income, while women use it almost exclusively as play money, and (2) men are much more likely to have long, productive full-time professional careers.

    In any case, while there is merit in most of what you say, you’re also falling prey to the central planner’s fallacy — you are asserting (surprise!) that the ideal construction of society is that in which people who are exactly like you are most advantaged. This is most apparent in your prior discussions of polygamy, in which you’ve basically stated that polygamy should be allowed for men who are just like you.

    While some cultures are clearly superior to others, it’s also impossible to live in the modern world — especially the United States — while wearing monocultural blinders.
    Especially when your monoculture is the one that’s least likely to take up arms or create unrest against the others. Heh.

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  497. on July 9, 2010 at 12:06 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    Rum —

    Medicine is 40% dedication, 59.999% memorization, and 0.001% pure intelligence.

    Really high-IQ guys would mostly make terrible doctors — except as research physicians — since “creative thinking” in medicine would lead at best to shitloads of malpractice suits, and at worst to death and disfigurement.
    Also, really high-IQ guys tend to be WAY too intellectually lazy for the sheer amount of memorization required in medicine. Excellence at memorization REQUIRES an IQ that is below the genius level.
    You would not want a doctor whose memory sucks because he is that good, which is what almost all extremely high IQ people are.

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  498. In fact, there is practically nothing that I would rather have a 200 IQ homie for over a 120 IQ homie — save for advanced-calculus-in-the-head parties, the very highest levels of nanotechnology…and perhaps pithy conversations about to thes.

    P’rhaps.

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  499. on July 9, 2010 at 12:08 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    Previous comment modded.

    Rum —

    Medicine is almost all dedication and memorization, and has almost nothing to do with pure intelligence.

    Really high-IQ guys would mostly make terrible doctors — except as research physicians — since “creative thinking” in medicine would lead at best to malpractice suits, and at worst to death and disfigurement.
    Also, really high-IQ guys tend to be WAY too intellectually lazy for the sheer amount of memorization required in medicine. Excellence at memorization REQUIRES an IQ that is below the genius level.

    You would not want a doctor whose memory sucks because he is Just. That. Smart., which is what almost all extremely high IQ people are.

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  500. Really high-IQ guys would mostly make terrible doctors — except as research physicians — since “creative thinking” in medicine would lead at best to malpractice suits, and at worst to death and disfigurement.

    SRSLY. I don’t need no doctors gettin’ creative on my ass.

    Esp. since my ass is AWSM. WINK WINK.

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  501. LilGirl

    What are you wearing?

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  502. LILgrl,

    ur ass is awsm?

    O rlly?

    well, there may be a few more years before structural breakdown occurs, so enjoy it. what is your waist to hip ratio? do you suck dick, too? swallow? do tell.

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  503. “Ever seen really smart people try to teach average people? It’s usually a fiasco.”

    Not if they have time to prepare and seek advice. They are generally better at it than lower IQ people. However, it usually isn’t worth their time.

    Really high-IQ people are pretty neat to know and I’ve been lucky to meet some in physics labs and in medical research. They tend to be shy, but very gracious people who see through bullshit instantly. They are good at explaining very complex things because they understand it so clearly. Creativity is a very complex, group phenomena in science, but high-IQ people tend to play an essential role, as advisor. I would never describe them as uncreative, even if they have dry personalities.

    The people who fuck up Wall Street, etc. aren’t the real high IQ guys, but the smart guys who get that extra edge by cheating and cutting every corner.

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  504. Rum —

    A BIG SEXY FUR TRIMMED MUUMUU!!!

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  505. Tim —

    YA RLY.

    Don’t worry homie, I have plenty of time. I’m only twelve, y’know.

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  506. Don’t worry homie, I have plenty of time. I’m only twelve, y’know.

    OH WAIT…based on the comments on the new thread (re: 14 year old girls FTW!!!!!!!!1111one1), I don’t have that much time….

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  507. on July 9, 2010 at 12:35 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    Tim
    do you suck dick, too? swallow? do tell

    You’re asking these questions as if “no” is a reasonable option.

    What non-virginal woman would answer “no” to these things? Have you actually had relationships with women who wouldn’t even agree to suck your cock?
    Poor guy.

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  508. LilGirl

    It is really hot and sweaty hereabouts… being summer and all. You don’t need to wear all that. Don’t be shy.
    You can trust me, I am not like the others.

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  509. Pox,

    nice. I admire your skillz.

    now go spank that azz, killa bee!

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  510. Epoxy–

    Given the limited number of spots available in those types of schools, a 100% purely merit-based approach would result in an entire class that would want to practice in posh private practices in Newport Beach and New York.

    They might want to but they wouldn’t all be hired to do so. Meaning some would have to go to black and Latino communities. As well, many lefty doctors without AA wouldn’t want to. Even without AA there would be some black and Latino doctors. Just fewer. But better.

    In addition when you say “a little” less qualified, you’re kidding yourself. The black rate of passage of first and even second tries at medical board examinations is dramatically lower than white and Asian rates.

    Personally I’d never let myself be attended to by a black doctor, unless I knew that he was tested way above AA lowered levels to get where he is. Without AA or similar programs, I would at all, at all, have that attitude.

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  511. *wouldn’t

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  512. @Gorbachev:

    I’d consider a (successful) black American male more suitable, from an *ethnic* point of view, as a husband for any daughter I might ever have than a white person from, say, Hungary. Or Russia, or even Germany.

    I had a higher opinion of you than that. I’m sorry to hear you take that attitude. I would disown my daughter if she did that, cold as ice too.

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  513. @Tyrone
    @Gorbachev:
    I’d consider a (successful) black American male more suitable, from an *ethnic* point of view, as a husband for any daughter I might ever have than a white person from, say, Hungary. Or Russia, or even Germany.

    I had a higher opinion of you than that. I’m sorry to hear you take that attitude. I would disown my daughter if she did that, cold as ice too.

    American, English, educated here (presumably well), local connections, verifiable, not going traipsing off, same cultural context, assuming successful likely to behave like a nice Anglo American. Some white guy from anywhere else – who knows? An unknown quantity.

    On the other hand, some dropout crackhead from the ghetto – not so much.

    Race alone wouldn’t make the decision for me.

    Besides, mixed chicks are frequently hot chicks. Maybe I’d get a supermodel granddaughter. A gift to the world.

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  514. on July 9, 2010 at 2:59 am White Woman

    Rum – oh you hurt me with your mean words…still a big stretch to say mixed race (and even AA?) babies look White.

    COME ON!!!

    They are cute enough but they don’t look White.

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  515. @White Woman

    Rum – oh you hurt me with your mean words…still a big stretch to say mixed race (and even AA?) babies look White.

    COME ON!!!

    They are cute enough but they don’t look White.

    Lots of mixed white-Asian and white-Black babies look more white than anything else. Lots look black or Asian, too. The brothers and sisters often look totally unalike. Some can pass easily; the sibling often can’t.

    They they have kids. If they have kids with a white person, these grandchildren can walk up to you and you’d never think there was anything but white in them. Probably a few around you. Historically it happened a lot. Lots of white blood in black people, even if black racists don’t like the idea. Take a good, long look at many black women celebrities. Don’t look very African. Same goes for many of the men.

    You can call it bleeding out the white race, but in three generations, nobody would know the difference – and they’ll still call us white people. Because we will be.

    There’s no essential whiteness. Or blackness.

    There *are* heritable traits. Want to worry about something as a policy? Worry about those.

    The truth is, we’re going to breed with who we breed with. That’s just a fact. Unless you’re going to shoot people who try to breed with their Inferiors or the Others.

    The only thing to do is stop lamenting the loss of this “white race” and start thinking about how to make the country actually work. We’ve never actually *done* that.

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  516. on July 9, 2010 at 3:17 am White Woman

    I never suggested shooting anyone. Geez. So violent.

    Goodnight.

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  517. I would want my daughter to marry and have children with a white man.
    As long as she was nice to him and a good mother, I wouldn’t have a problem with my son having children with a black woman. Black women can cook and clean just as well as white women.

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  518. @Laura
    I would want my daughter to marry and have children with a white man.
    As long as she was nice to him and a good mother, I wouldn’t have a problem with my son having children with a black woman. Black women can cook and clean just as well as white women.

    Laura, this isn’t a judgment of any kind, I’m simply clarifying:

    You want your daughter to not have a black man because you are alarmed that he might not treat her well or because he might not be nice or a good husband;

    Your son could marry a black woman because, presuming she was nice, she could be a decent mother and wife.

    So you’re not objecting to the race of the potential spouse at all, and therefore the projected racial background of your grandchildren.

    You are, I think, objecting to the *culture* and *attitudes* of the black man potentially marrying your daughter.

    I’m just clarifying, not trying to say anything at all.

    This is typical of the response I get when I ask many people this question. People may be self-censoring, for sure.

    But what appears to be the principal objection white Americans have against their children breeding with black Americans is the current *culture* of black America, specifically black male American culture, and not actually the race at all.

    My hypothesis:

    The general disgust many white people seem to have with black America is, today, at least, largely due to the generally dysfunctional black-Ghetto-urban culture that has developed in the last 3 generations of young black people.

    65 years ago, it would have been their race more openly as a cause for rejection. This would signal that there has been some significant improvements in the core relationships between the races here.

    Where the race is an objection, I further hypothesize that people are erroneously linking black “blood” with the failure that is black urban culture in America, a form of bio-social “essentialism” and a common mistake (because culture is not in the “blood”, though individual tendencies may be).

    I suggest that there’s an opening here which could seriously heal the racial fracture zone and help render this country 1) more governable and 2) more productive.

    This is:

    Stamp out the destructive, mostly dysfunctional black urban culture by whatever methods are available, including cutting off the state-money government-funded lifelines, getting rid of Affirmative Action entirely, and obliging black Americans to, on their own steam, step up and shape up. We could assist this with massive money being funneled into schools to drag up the promising candidates, who might serve as role models. I don’t know; lots of stick, some carrot. We’d need to find carrots consistent with the smack of the stick.

    If we did this, there’d be resistance, but the very last thing black Americans need is the equivalent of teaching them Ebonics.

    At least it wouldn’t be racist oppression – rather, cultural oppression designed to put an end to the vicious cycle of poverty-rebelliousness-poverty-crime.

    One generation of coherent policy out to do it.

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  519. on July 9, 2010 at 5:07 am Cannon's Canon

    objecting to the *culture* and *attitudes* of the black man potentially marrying your daughter

    those which idealize the great resource-aggregating herbivores of the sub-saharan desert: namely, the hippopotamus, rhinoceros, elephant, and cape buffalo. black men want women who resemble these species in size, shape, color, and texture (it is important to not omit ‘texture’). ultimately, white women can only mimic the size and shape, so they are left wanting.

    no woman of any race wants a child who is by default “wanting” in some way.

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  520. @Gorbachev:

    I understand where you’re coming from and generally agree, but there is still a strong urge for her to marry a man of European ancestry with me. I also feel more comfortable around Hungarians, Romanians, Poles, Germans, really Europeans of any stripe than my own countrymen at this point unless they are cosmopolitan and well travelled or simply a countryboy and uncomplicated. SWPLs get on my nerves something fierce. Sports bore me to death. I like hunting and fishing though and love my guns. In America, everything we enjoy from Europe is often either second hand as in indirectly understood or adulterated in its European level of quality. I could have great conversations with a Hingarian about food for instance or Hungarian and European history. I guess no where is perfect for me, as I’ve got too much from both America and Europe in me to feel entirely comfortable in either place. I just make do and enjoy wat is best where I am.

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  521. Gorbachev,
    I guess I feel that way for the same reason Tyrone does. I don’t think my husband would ever feel comfortable having a black son in law. He’s not racist I just know that he would have a strong preference for a white son in law.

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  522. White Woman, it’s not about Black blood specifically. Humans don’t have a whole lot of genetic variation to begin with, so any little bit of added combination helps to both make a group more adaptable, and to stave off the normalization of maladaptive mutations.

    If you have more adaptability, you can live comfortably in more environments.

    There are also things that are more important than color in race and the maintenance of preferred traits. I’ll use myself as an example.

    My family is one of highly intelligent, physically strong, independent yet philanthropic, but socially adept people. No matter what race we would ever have been born into, we’d be weird. So the first thing to go out the window on our preferred traits grocery list is color. Since one thing we definitely aren’t is thuggish, I could wait my whole life trying to find the one Obsidian in a sea of Pooty Tang.

    If I was worried about the Black race being “watered down”, I’d run a very high risk of becoming a cat lady. So knowing I had limited time to secure a partner who had the traits I value, I didn’t discriminate based on color in my dating life. I watched behavior.

    Some aspects of White American culture were utterly repellant to me…like the turning emotions off and on like a faucet, lying to your face and stabbing you in the back, extreme insecurity and overblown sense of entitlement, not to mention the looks…So there were disadvantages to being White for a guy trying to get next to me. However, if one didn’t display “devil” traits, then we were cool.

    I could tolerate being able to see a guy’s circulatory system through his skin if he had a strong sense of honor, thought for himself, and felt reasonably protective of me.

    If someone is really special and looking for someone else who’s special, then one can’t restrict themselves in a way that is more likely to make their descendants less special.

    You may feel that pale skin is the special thing you want to preserve. I can respect that. I, on the other hand, am more into intelligence and critical thinking as well as the ability to be a natural man or woman despite whatever social trends happen. I don’t want to see my line become extinct because they would follow along with some screwed up ideology like feminism.

    I want my sons or grandsons to be able to detect and avoid a bitch. I want my daughters to not get emotionally invested in guys who aren’t likely to be responsible fathers. I don’t think color assures those things. So though I respect others’ views in that, I’ve seen too much of what happens when people limit themselves in the wrong way.

    I have friends who have made Jewish children but miserable marriages. Though those kids are legally and ethnically Jewish, they have no respect for their father because their mother has none. They have no trust for their mother because their father has none. They will either continue this destructive pattern or take the oblivion option.

    This country is going through a demographic crisis that will continue to get worse so long as the important thing in a partner is whether or not they’re whatever ethnicity, rather than whether or not they are a good partner.

    It’s happening to White Americans too, where the important thing is whether or not their partner is hot, or has a lot of money, or is alpha and makes her gina tingle for the moment, but will drop her as soon as she’s no longer amusing.

    It’s wrong to try to herd people into thinking they should date outside their natural preferences, especially since we’re still talking about superficially entertaining traits, not really long term positive ones. However, it’s just as wrong to tell a person whose natural preferences are more behavioral and universal-aesthetic oriented, that they are wrong for dating out.

    You’re asking them to sacrifice their preferred genetic direction on the altar of conformity to a generalized direction. It would be like breeding horses who looked good but couldn’t run.

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  523. My son has a black partner. Bad, Laura? Or is this just about breeding?

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  524. Expoxy–

    Sex-based AA, on the other hand, is, was, and always will be retarded. If anything, there should be a moderate pro-male bias, since (1) men are more likely to support families with their professional income, while women use it almost exclusively as play money, and (2) men are much more likely to have long, productive full-time professional careers.

    Completely agree and have said similar here many times.

    I’d add that men making more money is overall, on average, very important for family stability. Which in turn is very important for raising psychologically healthy kids.

    Feminism is a horror that must be stamped out. Down the barrels of guns if need be.

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  525. Anton,
    You’re talking about your son dating a black woman, I don’t see how that’s bad. It’s not really my place to tell my son who he can and can’t date or marry, anyway. Also, if I liked her, I think I definitely could bond with a black woman. As far as grandchildren go, I can’t imagine why I wouldn’t love the mixed race ones as much as I would love the caucasian ones.
    I just know a lot of white men aren’t really crazy about the idea of their daughters dating a black man and I don’t think that makes them racist.

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  526. Laura–

    It’s not really my place to tell my son who he can and can’t date or marry, anyway.

    American feminist and other horseplop.

    I have a good deal of moolah. Enough to easily pay for college, no loans. many other things.

    I’d disinherit a daughter who went black. That would start w/college support. Cut off. Nada.

    Damn right it’s my place.

    Now of course the effective thing is for her to want to please daddy. But yes I’d have the cold steel there. And if necessary show fangs.

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  527. @White Woman

    You are too idealistic. Generally speaking a black man or woman that grows up in the ghetto will repeat that lifestyle. It his highly unlikely that a minority will get through high school and college to find a decent occupation and become an outstanding citizen in society. There are exceptions such as Oprah, but the majority will will end up mooching off the welfare state. Due to lack of options and peer pressure from fellow losers.

    Intelligence is another aspect/tool that adds to the fitness (biology definition) of an individual. An individual who can speak the required language of that specific environment can be more “intelligent” in a social aspect than a nerd with a 200 IQ.

    A psychopath that can manipulate emotions to control other individuals has significant “emotional intelligence” over a computer geek, since psychopaths usually have prolific sex life they are usually alphas. 😛

    Funny how most players mimic anti-social habits such as unreliability, disregard of the feeling of others, manipulation to get what you want, lying and feeling no guilt over causing pain.

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  528. I would never want any of my offspring to have kids with a minority such as black or Hispanic. Why put them at a socially disadvantaged position? They are also physically ugly in American culture… hence there is usually no more than 2-3 blacks in every top 50 women lists.

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  529. Doug,
    I will definitely have an opinion about it and would be very upset if he married someone I didn’t like. It’s just that ultimately it will be his decision. A mother can’t really tell an adult son what to do. Anyway, I am very close with my husband’s family and would like the same with my own future daughter in law.

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  530. @ The King
    “Funny how most players mimic anti-social habits such as unreliability, disregard of the feeling of others, manipulation to get what you want, lying and feeling no guilt over causing pain.”
    I find it funny that some of people on here who claim they are most worried about society or the way the worst sort of way young black men act, also seem to be more likely to be following that path.

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  531. Gorbachev–

    Black middle class prosperity is heavily as a result of affirmative action. It’s no accident that the richest county in the country, with a very large and I believe majority black population, is a bedroom community for Washington DC.

    Did you know that kids from black families whose income is in the top quartile in the US score LOWER on SAT tests than kids from white families who’s income is in the LOWEST quartile?

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  532. Richest predominantly black country that is.

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  533. on July 9, 2010 at 1:03 pm White Woman

    Nicole-

    “Humans don’t have a whole lot of genetic variation to begin with”

    Have you studied HBD yet?

    “There are also things that are more important than color in race and the maintenance of preferred traits.”

    You’re right, it’s more than skin color that’s at stake here. Have you studied HBD yet?

    “My family is one of highly intelligent, physically strong, independent yet philanthropic, but socially adept people.”

    So having Euro blood in your family has been helpful?

    “I could wait my whole life trying to find the one Obsidian in a sea of Pooty Tang.”

    Pretty crass language for such an intelligent women but okay. Obsidian’s a racist like you. You two would get along great.

    ” the Black race being “watered down”

    You don’t understand…the Black race gets better when Euro is added.

    “I didn’t discriminate based on color in my dating life”. I have heard people of color talking about this before when they thought I wasn’t listening…most think it’s highly desirable to add White to the mix.

    “Some aspects of White American culture were utterly repellant to me…like the turning emotions off and on like a faucet, lying to your face and stabbing you in the back, extreme insecurity and overblown sense of entitlement, not to mention the looks…”

    That’s not part of the White culture. That was a rude thing to say. How would you like it if made generalizations about your culture (not based on science)? You’d call me a racist. (I probably won’t because I don’t want to sink to that level).

    “devil” traits??? Yes, that’s why people flock to the United States and Europe to live in our beautiful, clean, (relatively) prosperous countries because they are run by devils.

    “I could tolerate being able to see a guy’s circulatory system through his skin if he had a strong sense of honor, thought for himself, and felt reasonably protective of me.”

    That’s just flat out bitchy.

    “You may feel that pale skin is the special thing you want to preserve.”

    I prefer the term fair skinned and no…there’s more to it than skin color. Studied HBD yet? Used those critical thinking skills yet to look at the world and see the beautiful civilizations, music, art and so on that White (men in particular) have created? Have you ever compared European cultures to African cultures? I really don’t like pushing this issue but you’ve forced me to with your very unkind remarks. I really hoped for better from you.

    “I want my daughters to not get emotionally invested in guys who aren’t likely to be responsible fathers.”

    Which means you will steer them away from Black men. Statistically that makes sense but for all your insults toward White people, you acknowlege you think we’re superior (I have never said that, however. I think all people have their gifts.)

    “I have friends who have made Jewish children but miserable marriages.”

    Don’t even get me started on Jews…don’t you have any vitriol left for them? Or do you only love/hate Europeans?

    “This country is going through a demographic crisis that will continue to get worse so long as the important thing in a partner is whether or not they’re whatever ethnicity, rather than whether or not they are a good partner.”

    A crisis??? You’re kidding right? So you think intermarriage and mixed race kids will make the world a better place? Please explain to me how this works. Don’t forget to look up the stats on the divorce rates of mixed race marriages vs. non-mixed race marriages.

    “It’s happening to White Americans too, where the important thing is whether or not their partner is hot, or has a lot of money, or is alpha and makes her gina tingle for the moment, but will drop her as soon as she’s no longer amusing.”

    So are you saying that if my pretty, White, good daughters date black men, they will have a better chance of being treated well. Frankly I just don’t see that…but you don’t seem to care about that…you just seem to want to see the Black race lighten up. Seems like all the benefit is on you end.

    “it’s just as wrong to tell a person whose natural preferences are more behavioral and universal-aesthetic oriented, that they are wrong for dating out.”

    I don’t blame you Nicole. You just want good genes for you kids…I just don’t want my daughters 1. being treated like crap by Black men (I know know know there are exceptions…but I’m thinking statistically here) and 2. I want my grandkids to have the best genes possible…skin color, intelligence, the works.

    “It would be like breeding horses who looked good but couldn’t run.”

    You so conveniently forget…we can run.

    I’m sorry Nicole. I feel mean saying these things…Science doesn’t lie though…It’s just like us being women and realizing we are in many ways inferior to men…it’s just one of those things.

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  534. I want my grandkids to have the best genes possible

    You also want them to look like they came form your family’s line and not like something adopted by Angelina Jolie.

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  535. Gorbachev–

    The truth is, we’re going to breed with who we breed with. That’s just a fact. Unless you’re going to shoot people who try to breed with their Inferiors or the Others.

    Culture greatly influences that. Always has.

    We don’t have to put up with a leftist mass media culture that encourages black male/white female mating. We don’t have to put up with “racist, racist, racist” shaming of any white male and white society generally shaming of generally super slut white girls who go black. They can then stay black, with no or few reasonably (or better) white guys interested in her for anything more than pump and dump, if that.

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  536. on July 9, 2010 at 1:18 pm White Woman

    PA

    Yes…one of the joys of having children and grandchildren is that they look like you. Without realizing why, I married and made children with a man that looked a lot like me. (some would call that narcissistic, I would call it natural) They both have green eyes like us and we think it’s neat.

    If I ended up with Brown grandchildren with large noses and lips (I’m not being mean..it’s just that I have small features) and perhaps less intelligence, I’m sure I would love them…I would adapt. But it’s my preference that my gchildren be like me..so they are compatable with our family. It’s easier on everyone including those potential children. How do THEY feel being the only brown ones in a family?

    So Nicole….you have preferences and so do I. The problem is your preferences are “politically correct” and mine aren’t. Ever wonder why?

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  537. @Lily

    True, since alphas have more anti-social habits and traits. While the betas are the opposite and the betas are the ones that keep society intact. We can’t have all alphas otherwise it would be total anarchy like the African jungle. In a lot of cases intelligence is a way for many to control their animal nature and impulses. Many blacks act “uncivilized” because they lack education and have to compete in a tough ghetto environment where being a tough thug is rewarded by money, power and hoes.

    Just like a beautiful fat chick is a oxymoron, a genius black man is also highly irregular and the cold reality that blacks will never be intellectual equals to Asians and Whites. Further proof would be that there has been no black man or woman who has won a noble prize in science.

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  538. on July 9, 2010 at 1:23 pm White Woman

    Exactly Doug…who said anything about shooting people Gorb?

    What some of us are disturbed about it the brainwashing of sheeple to date outside their race. It’s a fashion statement now. I’ve said it before…there’s a concerted effort to get rid of a pure (or relatively pure) White race. Why is that?

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  539. Without realizing why, I married and made children with a man that looked a lot like me

    He probably looked a lot like you, but chances are that you had many complementary qualities, both physical and in temperament.

    There was a widely circulated article about a year ago, in The Telegraph, I think, about a white English woman who had children with her (Asian) Indian husband, and confessed to her lack of love for their kids, due to seeing nothing of herself in them.

    While those kind of confessionals are problematic to say the least, as the kids might eventually read them, they are a cautionary tale for other girls.

    Ironically, the Indian husband looked very white, like a normal dark-haired white guy… but according to the woman, their kids wever very dark and much more “Indian looking.”

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  540. on July 9, 2010 at 1:26 pm White Woman

    The_King I don’t know if winning the Nobel prize is a good indicator of much anymore…Gore? It’s only a matter of time before Nobama gets one.

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  541. Doug – yes, that was an epic comment.

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  542. on July 9, 2010 at 1:34 pm White Woman

    PA that happens are lot (I’m sure you know) White genes are recessive….that’s why the danger is all on our end.

    Regardless of what the jealous think, there is too much good in the European gene pool to have it diluted. FACT.

    And regardless of being demonized for my beliefs…AS IF I were going to shoot people (Gorb) or take away people’s choices (Nicole), I’m going to keep talking about my feelings.

    Choices yes…I wear pink because I look good in it. I go grocery shopping at Vons instead of Krogers because it’s nicer at Vons. I have the right to make choices too and preference for fair skinned European people is one of them…it’s not a crime for me to have preferences any more than it is a crime for you (Nicole) to have preferences. I also have the right to talk to other Europeans about this and to tell them it’s okay for them to make choices about their own lives and that they are not evil if they want their children to look like them.

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  543. on July 9, 2010 at 1:45 pm White Woman

    Indeed. Should be on a plaque or something.

    I come to this site to learn and because I believe multiculturism and feminism are destroying this country. I guess I’m trying to make some sense of it all and figure out what to do next to preserve (mostly) my own immediate family. I feel like men who are concerned about men’s rights (as I am) should seriously consider the racial engineering that’s going on in this country if they want to make sense of things too.

    I’m sure most men know this already though.

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  544. “Now I also recently spent some time with two Black women (Christians) from Europe. One from France and the other from…I forget! Anyway, they had strong intact families and marriages but boy they had strong Feminist leanings, particularly considering they were evangelical Christians (and to add insult to injury, they voted for Obama!-don’t tell me men, that race doesn’t matter).”

    I’ll agree that race probably had a hand in their decision. But I’d like to also note that I don’t care, at all, how Europeans vote in a U.S. presidential election. BECAUSE EUROPEANS SUCK, obviously. Obviously.

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  545. on July 9, 2010 at 2:16 pm White Woman

    Jealous. Obviously. Obviously.

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  546. on July 9, 2010 at 2:18 pm White Woman

    You sound jealous Lil person. Obviously. Obviously. Got any facts that support the suckage?

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  547. on July 9, 2010 at 2:29 pm White Woman

    “Colorblind” is a racial construct.

    http://www.newsweek.com/2009/09/04/see-baby-discriminate.html

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  548. on July 9, 2010 at 2:30 pm White Woman

    sorry….meant to say a SOCIAL construct.

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  549. hahahaha white woman way to COMPLETELY miss the point.

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  550. White Woman,
    You did bring up an important point. There is nothing wrong with your views and yet they would be considered politically incorrect. Most people would strongly prefer it if their children married someone who was like them and usually I have a lot in common with people who are of the same race as me. In some ways I would say race is, at a more fundamental level, more important than class. I truthfully would probably feel more comfortable with lower class white people, in some ways, than I would with middle class people of other races.

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  551. on July 9, 2010 at 2:56 pm White Woman

    Perhaps you could communicate better. Your saying that an entire continent of people suck….and obviously makes you sound really ignorant. I know you have a brain…it would be nice if you would use it when posting. These guys don’t need any more fodder that shows women are stupid do they?

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  552. weesh. sarcasm, honey. the point was that only americans can vote in u.s. elections. let this be an example of how everyone is blindly arguing ON THE DEFENSIVE.

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  553. on July 9, 2010 at 3:04 pm White Woman

    Laura if you read the article I posted you’ll see this:

    From a very young age, minority children are coached to be proud of their ethnic history. She found that this was exceedingly good for children’s self-confidence; in one study, black children who’d heard messages of ethnic pride were more engaged in school and more likely to attribute their success to their effort and ability.

    That leads to the question that everyone wonders but rarely dares to ask. If “black pride” is good for African-American children, where does that leave white children? It’s HORRIFYING (emphasis mine) to imagine kids being “proud to be white.”

    Ain’t that something? Why is it so horrifying? Are they afraid we will destroy the world? Destroy minorities? Some gratitude huh when Europe and the U.S. have POURED money into welfare programs to help poor minorities. And POURED money into Haiti. ( A bottomless money pit if I’ve ever seen one) What a bunch of ungrateful bastards.

    The fear is very telling….it shows who the real White Supremacists are….non-White people.

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  554. heh, perhaps also an example of how one should verse oneself in Internet protocol before jumping down people’s throats.

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  555. on July 9, 2010 at 3:06 pm White Woman

    Obviously, obviously, obviously they are American citizens if they voted. I said they were FROM Europe. They are citizens now.

    Is English your first language? I wonder if there’s a language barrier here.

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  556. wow, why are you taking everything so seriously? are you autistic?

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  557. on July 9, 2010 at 3:09 pm White Woman

    Possibly

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  558. oh, ok then.

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  559. on July 9, 2010 at 3:15 pm White Woman

    🙂 You’re probably a very nice girl…just be careful about insulting entire continents okay? I’m sorry if I misunderstood you somehow.

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  560. what is going on? hahahahahaha srs weak sauce homeslice

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  561. on July 9, 2010 at 3:52 pm White Woman

    sorry I have no idea what you are saying…there’s that language barrier rearing its ugly head again. 🙂

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  562. White Woman–

    It’s out of balance when you consider that as of 2007 only 4.6% of all married Blacks in the United States were wed to a White partner.

    Perhaps more to the point, as of the last census, which is by far the most comprehensive social survey we have, only 0.5% of white women were married to black men.

    There are a lot more whites than blacks in the US, roughly 8x as many, so the two stats aren’t so incompatible.

    However if one wants to focus on what white women want and decide, my stat is obviously better.

    However, the last 10 years has seen a HUGE increase in the leftist, Jewish lead, mass entertainment media propaganda push for white girls to copulate with black guys, starting when she’s preteen w/MTV, to adult movies and shows. With whites cut off from protesting due to PC (cultural Marxism derived) “racism, racism, racism”.

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  563. @White Woman
    “Lily you need to make some White babies already”
    LOL, that’s what the player says all the time, except he says ‘we’ and doesn’t mention the white bit. I’m sure he’d be a great dad but sadly his promiscous past detracts from it all so I won’t be going there (I wonder what the male equivalent of you can’t ‘make a ho into a housewife’ is lol?).

    “Breeding out the White race is done by brainwashing the sheeple that they SHOULD date outside their race if they want to be good, tolerant, cool people. When you consider the fact that as of 2008 only 12.4% of Americans identified as Black or African American (only), why are those that watch TV constantly shown images and stories about mixed race couples…and typically where the man is Black and the woman is White? ”
    Funny, you bring this up as an example because for quite some years in England it was thought that the US had massive issues. I don’t hear it so much anymore but 10-15 years or so ago British people often commented that whilst there were lots of races, people tended to stick to their own, e.g in universities the white people would stick together and the asian people would stick together etc whilst in UK the groups tended to be mixed. And when mixed English or British bands went to the US, they’d get told by the record companies to go one way or the other e.g. the band All Saints had to throw the black girl out and the band Eternal threw the white girl out.

    Also the black/white thing in tv programmes and films. Whenever you saw a mixed couple, it was always something like white man/asian girl or similar *never* black man/white woman. When you did get black/white they didn’t have anything sexual on screen, e.g. Pelican Brief with Julia Roberts and Denzel Washington or the films the British Thandie Newton (half English/half Zimbabwean) was in with Tom Cruise. People often commented on this phenoma and wondered if it was some thing linked to slavery.

    I have noticed you do see it more these days. I think there was an Aaron Spelling daytime soap with a white guy and a half black lady the wesley Snipes stuff and the ginger one in sex and the city with the black doctor). IMHO it’s not some sort of genetic reengineering (and after all hollywood is run by Jewish men, I dont think they are trying to reengineer black man/white women relationships?), just the US catching up with the rest of the world. It’s quite paranoid if you think that means people want to see the white race exterminated/murdered/bread out.

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  564. on July 9, 2010 at 8:41 pm namae nanka

    White Woman

    “The_King I don’t know if winning the Nobel prize is a good indicator of much anymore…Gore? It’s only a matter of time before Nobama gets one.”

    It should be in the sciences.

    As for black geniuses, intellectually, the probability is quite less. But genius is not merely intellectual.

    “That leads to the question that everyone wonders but rarely dares to ask. If “black pride” is good for African-American children, where does that leave white children? It’s HORRIFYING (emphasis mine) to imagine kids being “proud to be white.” ”

    I agree, and similar could be said of grrl power.

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  565. White Woman, I think you misunderstood me. What I’m against is inhibiting male choice in who they wish to have consensual sexual relations with. Female choice is another matter. I don’t mind the double standard, and would be quite happy if men of whatever ethnicity felt protective enough to not take their women’s needs for granted.

    It’s what you do when you realize that you can’t save the world, but you can help clean up your little corner of it. They shouldn’t enforce racial “purity” on women either, but encourage it as a man in one’s own culture is more likely to be able to relate to one’s womanhood.

    Men should however, have no such restrictions. A man is a man is a man the world over. It’s even more uniform than mothering/wifery styles in women, which have to be tailored to one’s culture, environment, and other factors that can vary wildly. Men, on the other hand, have honor or they don’t, have courage or they don’t, and are physically strong or they aren’t.

    Men, being the enforcement arm of any culture, should reserve the right of boycott or expansion.

    The worst thing ever to happen to Judaism was making the line of heritage matrilineal rather than patrilineal. If their stock is degrading, they should not be forced to take substandard women in the name of keeping a race “pure” above strong.

    Now, I’ve studied HBD probably more than people who claim to be adherents. It explains a lot about my family, which has little if any European blood in it until my generation.

    As a firm believer in updated human biological determinism, I belive that Black is an umbrella term that is as generic and meaningless as White. Statistics based on a generalized, outdated view of race mean absolutely nothing to me, and should probably mean as much to you, especially if you are exceptional in certain ways.

    Color is only important if you specifically want your descendants to be suited to a particular climate. It is otherwise irrelevant.

    About the devil culture thing, don’t sweat it. You’re not the only ones. I feel about the same about Egyptians and Nigerians. There is way too much tolerance in your cultures for lying, cheating, and stealing. You applaud things that would get a man or woman in pre colonial west Africa or east coast north America killed either by the authorities or by the family of the offended.

    I’m not saying life was peachy keen back then. West Africans had a tradition of using slaves for human sacrifice back in the day…but to this day in west Africa, if a woman wants to leave her husband, she has to pay back her lobolla, or bride price.

    There is plenty that is culturally Black, that Whites could benefit from adopting. If you weren’t racist, then as an anti feminist, you’d see that.

    Your daughter getting a husband she can more easily mistreat, leave, and abuse is not a good thing. Black American men, in general, are no angels, but the good ones don’t take mess from their women. More testicular fortitude is a good thing for your grandsons.

    The social disadvantages, I can understand your being worried about, and I respect your desire to avoid them. However, from where I’m standing, the strong decisive White American male is as relatively rare a prize as the ambitious, intelligent Black American male. Both come from families of outliers who didn’t believe the hype.

    So you do your thing, and I’ll do mine, but it’s a shame to see someone who is, in some crucial ways, a sister, selling her superior genetic heritage for a generic mediocrity.

    You should care that your descendants, if they lack the genetic abilty to resist social pressure, will blend right in with the crop of White people currently buying feminism and PC. You won’t be able to stop them because you let their parents breed with the mediocre just because they’re pale.

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  566. Lily–

    Also the black/white thing in tv programmes and films. Whenever you saw a mixed couple, it was always something like white man/asian girl or similar *never* black man/white woman.

    That’s now ancient history.

    IMHO it’s not some sort of genetic reengineering (and after all hollywood is run by Jewish men, I dont think they are trying to reengineer black man/white women relationships?),

    Just for the goys, or that’s the hope.

    just the US catching up with the rest of the world.

    You mean with New Labour Britain and your immigration policies and so on? No thanks.

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  567. Nicole–

    However, from where I’m standing, the strong decisive White American male is as relatively rare a prize as the ambitious, intelligent Black American male.

    Hardly.

    But there has been an intense effort by the PC left to shame white males into surrendering a lot of their self confidence and pride for “the greater good” of such lot as you. Didn’t work with me. But then I’m far from gen Y, which has gotten more consistent propaganda from their earliest days in that direction than I did.

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  568. Lily–

    It’s quite paranoid if you think that means people want to see the white race exterminated/murdered/bread out.

    Wake up. The cultural Marxist left, or many of them, see it as blending all together as a “beautiful beige”. One people.

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  569. Doug
    However, the last 10 years has seen a HUGE increase in the leftist, Jewish lead, mass entertainment media propaganda push for white girls to copulate with black guys, starting when she’s preteen w/MTV, to adult movies and shows.

    dude.
    number one.
    you need to lay off the cuckold porn just a bit.
    yeah, the last ten years has seen a rise in “please bang my wife” movies. and, ok, there are more interracial gangbang nights than before at swing clubs.
    but the whole “free love with the magic negro” thing? that’s been on the decline since the eighties. do you really think the black stars in the limelight in 2010, as thuggy as they are, are pulling as many white bitches (or are even interested in pulling as many white bitches) as the Motown guys did? that’s insane. you need to get out more — the internet, which is the only non-negligible force pushing the whole interracial bang thing these days, has a way of overshadowing real life if you spend too long on it.

    number two.
    your implicit premise seems to be that b/w interracial
    mixing will dilute the high-IQ white gene pool.
    that is also absolutely off-the rocker daft-junk insane. of the already small percentage of white women (quoted by you) who are having biracial children, how many do you think are in the 130+ iq fraction?
    survey says: damn close to 0%. and if it happens, it is absolutely not gonna happen with some minus-two-sigma-iq thug. what world do you live in, where that actually happens?

    number three:
    the board would very much like to know what black people (and, to a lesser extent, jews) have done to you personally, such that you throw such numbingly predictable hissy fits at the merest hint of melanin or unleavened bread in the air.

    number four:
    i find it hilarious that almost all of the white people who fly off the handle about these things, in this sort of way, have … wait for it … zero children.
    none.
    nada. big old goose egg.
    white power baby!

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