Cougars On The Prowl? No.

Demi Moore may be a beacon of light for aging cougars on the cusp of sexual worthlessness who want to crow triumphantly about all the boy toys pursuing them, but the facts are, as is usual when discussing the functioning of the dating market, quite a bit more depressing than what passes for reality in their fevered imaginations.

British psychologists said that the phenomenon of the “cougar” – older women on the prowl for younger men – does not actually exist in the real world.

They studied a number of online dating sites and found that men and women are still rather traditional when it comes to searching for their ideal partner.

Women generally seek an older and, therefore hopefully, wealthier man whereas men desire a young and attractive female, and often prefer a much younger partner as they themselves age.

The findings, published in the journal Evolution and Human Behaviour, disputes the phenomenon popularised in TV shows and movies like “Cougar Town” starring Courteney Cox and “Sex and the City” of women aged over 40 seeking “cubs”.

Many cougars have argued that since they are modern women with financial independence, they are free to pursue younger men for their looks alone. But this runs into two problems that are perfectly predicted by evolutionary psychologists; one, younger men don’t want them, and two, cougars, no matter their own economic independence, remain more attracted to older men with means, just as they did when they were younger and poorer. It seems the hindbrain which governs our sexual impulses is largely impervious to cultural shifts in mating market variables.

He said it was a commonly held assumption that with the advent of female financial independence, women were now free to target men of any age group, as securing financial security from older, wealthier males was no longer a priority.

“The transference of female desire from relatively older men to relatively younger men, it has been argued, is reflected by the growth of the toy boy phenomenon,” he said.

“The results of our research challenges these assumptions. Although there was some cultural variation in extremes, the results showed clearly that women across all age groups and cultures, targeted males either their own age or older.”

Some things never change. What about men?

Dr Dunn said a strikingly different pattern of age preferences was evident in men.

Younger men, aged 20 to 25, either targeted females their own age or marginally younger.

But as males aged, they clearly expressed a preference for women increasingly younger than themselves, with this pattern also being cross-culturally consistent.

“These findings are clearly supportive of evolutionary theory,” Dr Dunn added.

“A wide variety of evidence has shown that women, when considering a potential long-term partner, focus more than males on cues indicative of wealth and status and these logically accumulate with age.

“Males conversely focus more intently on physical attractiveness cues and these are clearly correlated with the years of maximum fertility.”

This should highlight just how quickly and radically women lose sexual value as they hit their 30s. The rare gem is Monica Bellucci who can still look bangable at age 40. Most women look like this at 40:

If you really want to get under a cougar’s skin, tell her the truth: she is the sexual equivalent of a nerdy, socially inept beta male. When she has hit the wall and no men but the lowliest degenerates would try to fuck her, she has become what she loathes the most — the omega male.

Cougars on the prowl? No. More like cougars settling down for a long winter’s nap.





Comments


  1. Argument for more plastic surgery?

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  2. I had suspected this all along.

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  3. thank goodness for science:-)

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  4. on August 27, 2010 at 2:35 pm gunslingergregi

    No more pics fuck.

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  5. on August 27, 2010 at 2:41 pm Cannon's Canon

    i am unfailingly disappointed to learn that some girl i’ve been chatting up has the nerve to be older than me

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  6. You do realize that of the 14 countries included in the study, the United States was not one of them.

    Always ask yourself, what do you want to be true?

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  7. 1/2 [your age] + 7

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  8. Demi Moore may be a beacon of light for aging cougars

    Yea if at age 40, you get $300,000 worth of plastic surgery:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/09/01/2009-09-01_has_she_found_the_fountain_of_youth_demi_moore_claims_she_has_never_had_plastic_.html

    The Daily Mail speculates that the 47-year-old star may have had upwards of $300,000 worth of plastic surgery, including liposuction, breast implants, and other work on her face, before she arrived back on the big screen looking stellar in a bikini in 2003’s “Charlie’s Angels: Full Throttle.”

    The rare gem is Monica Bellucci who can still look bangable at age 40.

    Bill Simmons dubbed these women the “Diane Lane All-Stars” awhile back.

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  9. This is silly, im going to toss in my gloves and say this is total paranoia that older women repels you guys.

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  10. on August 27, 2010 at 3:04 pm gunslingergregi

    My woman are usually older than me for some reason cannon. I think that may change as I get older though.
    Otherwise it could get pretty bad.

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  11. This story is so last week, right down to the Demi Moore reference.

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  12. on August 27, 2010 at 3:06 pm Stud Dynamite

    well, the phenomenon exists as in late-20’s to mid 30’s “cougars”, often married, hooking up with early 20’s guys. Whatever is shown on TV, yes, is ridiculous, you don’t need a study for that. These (decent looking 35+) women still can be observed screwing around but usually either with same age and older guys.

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  13. on August 27, 2010 at 3:06 pm gunslingergregi

    We are talking usually 2 to 4 years though not cougar style dammit.

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  14. Well, if you actually look at some data, it is true that older woman / younger man relationships are still not very common, but the age gap between husbands and wives is narrowing – men are less frequently marrying women 5-10 years younger than themselves compared to the 1960s and 70s.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/15/fashion/15women.html

    [Editor: That article has already been discussed and properly explained in context here at the Chateau.

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/10/21/the-beta-crisis-of-american-men-marrying-older-women/%5D

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  15. LJ

    Of course. Girls ride the carousel instead of settling down with Mr. Provider.

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  16. Chateau—

    Many cougars have argued that since they are modern women with financial independence, they are free to pursue younger men for their looks alone. But this runs into two problems that are perfectly predicted by evolutionary psychologists; one, younger men don’t want them, and two, cougars, no matter their own economic independence, remain more attracted to older men with means, just as they did when they were younger and poorer.

    I think younger SWPL girls not long out of college who get a good job and very possibly help from their parents on their starter apartment, or who are happy enough to have roommates for awhile, tend to feel more financially unconcerned than do girls as they get into their thirties and make more money. That is, except for the very thin on the ground female CEOs or high corporate officers or inheritors of big money etc., women always want more money once they’re into their thirties anyway. Middle and upper middle class ones do anyway. That’s for their marriage or remarriage partners though, if they can land that as they age.

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  17. One SDTV-

    There are plenty of places that will nip and tuck you like Demi and charge much less.

    My mom got her eyelids done in Peru by the best surgeon there (yes yes, the valedictorian of summer school) and it was $500. She looks wonderful btw. She still gets hit on and she’s 50.

    So poor ass ladies, there is still some hope.

    It’s painful for us girls, you know….I was a 6-7 most of my life, but for a very fleeting time between 23-25 (VERY late bloomer) I was a solid 8. I thought it was perfectly normal to be told how beautiful I was during every other transaction with another human being. Now it’s back to decline. These posts are no fun : /

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  18. LJ–

    Well, if you actually look at some data, it is true that older woman / younger man relationships are still not very common, but the age gap between husbands and wives is narrowing – men are less frequently marrying women 5-10 years younger than themselves compared to the 1960s and 70s.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/15/fashion/15women.html

    The results of feminist indoctrination pure and simple.

    The Roissysphere and the game community more generally is cutting the other way. Strongly. It’s just getting going, by comparison.

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  19. Younger cougars can be good for fledgling young betas.

    However I still think younger fit and relatively good looking cougars, in their thirties (who may have had “some work done”, whether never married, or likely better and less jaded if divorced, can make good fling targets for beta and higher beta guys who are fit and vigorous but haven’t got good game yet. They can be water in the desert as he’s getting going with game. Just don’t make it more than a fling or fuck buddy situation.

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  20. What a colossally fucking stupid study. The authors of the study are morons, and should have their statistics license taken away pronto.

    Specifically —
    They looked online for this? Really? What a bunch of idiots.
    There are some things for which women just don’t have to go online, and those include
    * Just wanting to get laid;
    * Just wanting to get laid.

    The only women who have to go online to get laid are ugly or fat. Actually, more like ugly AND fat.
    So it isn’t that cougars don’t exist; it’s just that cougars don’t have to go online if they just want to get laid.
    Trust me, I live in a cougar-heavy trendy bar area, and they are here. Lots of them. I’m not necessarily vouching for their degree of success in getting laid — hell, more of them are here just to get attention from younger guys than to get dick from them — but to base that sort of thing on an online study is idiocy.

    If your only lens is online dating sites, you may as well think that the only chicks who get spontaneously horny are ugly BBW’s.

    Jesus.

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  21. Doug1:

    How is it feminist indoctrination for women to want to date men close to their own age?

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  22. Chicks dig serial killers:

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  23. on August 27, 2010 at 3:31 pm The Rational Male

    This is why I tell people that the definition of “cougar” can include ALL single women who are at or approaching sexual obscurity.

    I just broke up with my g/f a couple of weeks ago. I could easily go back to banging a semi-attractive 40 year old ex fuck buddy until I’m able to get another pipeline started, but every day I look at her I get more and more turned off.

    Cougars are nothing more than cum receptacles to men of value.

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  24. Speaking of cougars, has anyone here seen that TV show Cougar Town? If so, what did you think of it?
    I’ve never seen it.

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  25. LJ

    Doug1:

    How is it feminist indoctrination for women to want to date men close to their own age?

    How can you even ask that? Have you been living under a rock? Or more likely so used to swimming in the American post feminist sea that you can imagine any other environment. Traveled much?

    Because feminists and the media have in fact been strongly bruiting that message and shaming girls, and feminism friendly guys as well as most SWPL’s are, that any substantial age gap is disempowering for women, non progressive, and likely less equalist, and hence inherently evil under the feminist cannon.

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  26. I have been told I will be a cougar when I get older. I am in my early 20s, wtf?!

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  27. Ironically, sleeping with women in their mid-thirties while in my early twenties was fun, hot and status-enhancing. Doing the same while in MY mid-thirties would be sad.

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  28. Because feminists and the media have in fact been strongly bruiting that message and shaming girls, and feminism friendly guys as well as most SWPL’s are, that any substantial age gap is disempowering for women, non progressive, and likely less equalist, and hence inherently evil under the feminist cannon.

    maybe. or maybe more people are marrying their school/work/social peers who tend to be around the same age.

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  29. Where is Anouk?

    We need that thirty-something spinster to blow her top and claim:

    “I will look better at 40 than I did at 25! I am never going to hit the wall! Roissy, you are so mean. Guys get old too. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, etc…”

    Jeez, where is that dumb bitch when you need a good laugh?

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  30. Kaikou people say that because you’re probably a slut.

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  31. This is silly, im going to toss in my gloves and say this is total paranoia that older women repels you guys.

    sadly, this is true, bic. same is true if you get fat. age and fat are not attractive.

    ya sure, under the old society a man would not tire of his wife, there are many elderly married couples who are still in love. but the new society is serial monogamy/soft polygamy. the sad truth is the aged and the fat have less to bargain with. It’s like having Standard and Poor reduce your credit rating from triple A to AA. or worse, being kicked out of NATO and the WTO.

    dream puppy,

    She still gets hit on and she’s 50.

    just curious, what do women at 50 get from trying to look hot? what is the net benefit to society or mankind? a woman at 50 is not trying to attract a mate or have a family, so is it safe to say that it is simple narcissism, a kind of emotional porn, the need to look in the mirror and get validated?

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  32. on August 27, 2010 at 3:44 pm The Rational Male

    Kaikou-

    “I have been told I will be a cougar when I get older. I am in my early 20s, wtf?!”

    It means that you display qualities that lead other people to predict that you are going to have a faaaabulous life climbing the corporate ladder and riding the cock carousel until you finally realize your time is up.

    It’s not a compliment, but look on the bright side- you are most likely attractive.

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  33. Or…. maybe women partners who are in similar life stages to them, want to avoid early caretaking duties and widowhood, and don’t want to have children with men with declining sperm quality. Or else they simply don’t find receding hairlines hot.

    Naw, I bet it’s because they’re “indoctrinated” to think older guys are creepy.

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  34. This is my experience: There are *tons* of 35-50 year-old women prowling, usually divorced.

    Many in their mid-30’s often still look good, but they’re hard to find.

    The ones that AREN’T fat and still look reasonably good are the very model of Entitlement: they act like 22-year-old hotties. They don’t get nearly as much action, though. The big wall is 40.

    Check out online dating sites. A co-worker considers me a ladies’ man and had me build him a profile. He’s 38 and in decent shape, though he could lose a few pounds, and he’s divorced (twice), no kids. Also has a decent, if not stellar, job.

    He gets responses from young girls, which he insists on showing me, between 23-28, sometimes.

    He gets lots of responses from 29-33 year-olds.

    He gets an almost 100% response rate from 35-38 year-olds.

    And … he gets messaged first by 38+ year-olds.

    He gets at least 10 messages a week from 40+ women, some of whom look like Roissy’s provided picture.

    He’s taken to reading up on game, and has been seeing three women on and off, 26, 33 and 34; the hottest is the 34 year-old, who is hot by any standard, but she must have been Scorching at 23, for her to be this hot today.

    He says the older women he’s met are very arrogant and self-assured and picky if they’re not fat. Non-fat women over 30 are still as entitled as younger women.

    HOWEVER

    He noticed that they were much more critical and bitter when he showed less interest in them. One asked him what his reason was for not seeing her any more. She begged him to be honest.

    He said he told her he was looking for someone younger (remember, he’s 38).

    She didn’t believe him. She said there was no difference between mid-30’s, when women were in their prime, and a callow useless 20-something.

    He tried to make the point that it was the specific girl he liked, but she caught him on the age. He says she got angry, upset, and started bitching and complaining about how men were pigs and were shallow and self-centered.

    That conversation went on for about an hour. he was a little shocked. Then I explained it to him. And then he nodded in agreement.

    He went out with her about 5 times. They never had sex, but made out. She was interesting, but obsessed with getting a guy who was fit and youthful. He’s relatively fit and energetic. But she went on and on about it, how men were so useless and it was so hard to find a man who was into her that wasn’t a dork.

    I didn’t meet her, so I don’t know, but he was shocked at her hostility when she forced him to tell her why he didn’t want to see her any more, when she pressed him. When he said he was looking for someone younger, she nearly exploded with frustration.

    All of my personal experience and that which I hear from other men says this:

    The non-fat women feel entitled. They eventually hit a wall. That wall is about 35. By 35, the quality of man they can get drops radically. This frustrates them. They complain about the lack of good men (there’s no lack of actual men). The men they want are all dating women 5-10 years younger than they are.

    It’s not scientific. But it fits.

    You can tell their profiles. One non-fat woman I singled out for him I later dismissed and told him not to bother. She was 36, not fat, seemed reasonably smart, but – when she listed what she wanted in a guy, she wanted a man between the ages of 25-37.

    In other words, at 36, she felt she deserved a younger man or at least a man not older than she was. he told me a couple of weeks ago that this kind of profile is all too common with women who have maintained some physical attractiveness.

    I’ll note that this usually amounts to one thing: Not being fat.

    Have we had the Fat In America discussion before?

    All the fat people have made the few non-fat women seem like nuggets of gold.

    My best advice to my coworker was to get the fuck out of the States and go to Asia or Europe. Preferably Asia. There, he’d have his choice of hot 20-something.

    But he’s not in a position to take this advice.

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  35. Woman can really be delusional when it comes to anything that effects them. The cougar age is one of them. As far as I can remember the MILF/cougar thing started when I was in high school/colege wih the whole American Pie Stiffler’s mom thing and then the increasing number of single mom, over thirty types that were club hopping and partying like they were still sorority girl, just with a better job and their own money. Before this it was widely held that much older women that bang young guys were trashy or it was a taboo no-string attached arrangement that might happen with a lawn boy and a housewife on the down low. The Graduate did not try to make it sexy just taboo. Never would they be seen together in public, nor would the woman over a certain age act like she was available to party if she considered herself a grown woman.

    What women have trained their brains to process is that when they are 35-49 and yet they still have tons of younger guys wanting to bang them, they take this for being attractive and worthy, whereas it is clear that it is simply an easier sexual outlet for men who do not wish to try hard or are having trouble with girls their own age or younger. Just because some 22 year old occassionally bends you over your office desk at work and always does you doggy does not mean he has ANY plans to go further than that. What women who are younger readily acknowledge as a simple pump and dump or hook up, older women take it to be their sexual prowess and allure as they age gracefully. It is utterly perplexing what women can convince themselves of.

    Funny the only thing that remains a constant is that younger men still refuse to be seen with them in public.

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  36. Hey Tim
    i can agree looks can fade as you get older, but there are plenty of women that look good, and have a good opportunity to choose from a lot of men, if you look old and it shows, or worser, you feel old, then yes, you will not be attractive, but there are a whole lot of women looking great out there, and im against generalization that boils down to something you can brag about. Its not real feelings, its not, if you feel like you would become someone just because you got a young girl or if a girl choose a rich guy and brags about her new gucci bags.. all that should not be important, what would you choose, a 25 year old not so good looking or a 31 year old looking stunning, what is that all about?

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  37. on August 27, 2010 at 3:56 pm Cannon's Canon

    inherently evil under the feminist cannon

    you probably meant ‘canon’

    it’s easy to get that mixed up

    but also a funny slip – like a Reader Pole, it works on a second level

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  38. “so is it safe to say that it is simple narcissism, a kind of emotional porn, the need to look in the mirror and get validated?”

    Could just be simply to compete with other women, although at a younger age a guy would be the indirect reason for competition. Isolate a bunch of females together, all girls school with all female teachers, and they’re still going to be worried about appearance. Makeup, cleavage it’s all for the benefit of competing with other females. You want to piss off a female that f**ked with you, get her married father (preferably) or brother to hit on you (within her view). So, at age 50, 50-year-old women want to compete and outdress, outdo similarly-aged peers. Well, at least the host doesn’t underestimate what flows through the female brain.

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  39. Tim,

    My mother likes to look hot for her husband. She stays attractive for him, and also because she has self respect. In South America we are taught to dress up and do our hair/face “just because.” It is our cultural tradition to try to look our best.

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  40. I made a post in the comments section a while back about a stage where I prowled for these type of women. It was cheap, easily obtainable, and raunchy sex. The funnything is the older generation sees this clearly. I was banging a 37 year old nurse who had a small kid and the one time her extended family visited while I was at her place, they looked at us an knew what was going on. The nurse obliviously thought nothing of it and that I was just her boyfriend playing house for the day. She was so proud, but her family and I thought it was pathetic. After going through a bunch of these types, I grew up and married a 23 year old.

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  41. I have banged mre women in 20s, in my 40s than in in my 20s.

    Per NYT Study above….I am surprised no one has commented on the fact that 8% have wives 10 yrs younger.

    I would imagine the divorce rate for these marriages is zero…who is he going to cheat with a 40yo?

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  42. The reason cougars are funny are because they’re absurd and we all know it.

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  43. on August 27, 2010 at 4:19 pm Rollo Tomassi

    Cougars are simply low hanging fruit. On some level of consciousness they acknowledge this. They realize that there is a perception amongst younger men that they are necessitously easier to bang.

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  44. Cougars are good for a roll in the hay and a notch in the belt. Some of them are great in bed. But they delude themselves into thinking that anything they have with a younger “cub” is more than sexual and temporary.

    A few years back I dated a cougar – she was 41 in fact, older than I’d ever thought I’d venture at that age. However, she was a dance instructor at a college, and as such had a rocking tight body unequaled even by many 20 somethings I’ve had. That coupled with her cute face and fun personality made her a great short term fling – but that was it.

    Just to belabor the point: It was her tight, in shape BODY and cute face, not her age or financial stability, that attracted me. When I flipped her over it was like doing an 18 year old.

    She seemed no more or less mature than the average woman.

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  45. The mating market really is brutal for women as they get older. Not only do they become less attractive, but the numbers are entirely against them. I put together a table from the census data showing the ratio of unmarried women to men for each age bracket for my post Grey Divorce Part II: Census Data and the Shifting Sexual Marketplace.

    In the 20-24 age bracket, there are .88 unmarried women for every unmarried man. But it is really better than that for them, because they can date men of pretty much any age bracket, not just their own. Later in life the ratio flips, and if you take into account the preference of women to be with men who are older than them it gets thin for them really fast.

    On top of the headwind they face, they still have memories of when all they had to do was show up and men were falling all over them. It really is in women’s best interest to marry fairly young and stay married.

    Probably the best example is the author of Eat Pray Love. She ended up marrying a guy 17 years older than her, and he only proposed because he needed a visa (pics on my blog).

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  46. There are some 20 something guys that will screw anything that is willing to screw them. The fact that these “cougars” screw around with them is NOT a testament to the “cougars” continued attractiveness – just their cluelessness as to the fact that these guys will screw anything with a pulse (like them).

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  47. oh…south america. I’ve been to cartagena once, but really my knowledge of s america is nil.

    ya I can see when a woman wants to look good for her husband then she will avail herself of cosmetic surgery. apparently there are a lot of guys who want their women to do this. I knew a guy who had his wife get a boob job and vaj reconstructive surgery after their kids were born. I tread lightly on this subject; yes, we all want someone we are turned on by. No, I don’t want to make love to a mannequin.

    bictopia,

    this doesn’t really apply to women under 40; we’re talking cougars here. It’s not about choosing between a 31 yr old and a 25 yr old. I think this post is really for women north of 40.

    you got nothin to worry about. you look good, you have positive outlook. but there are some women who looked good at 25…and 31…but then by 40 started to resemble a creature from Star Wars, like Java the Hut.

    but ya if you keep cycling around Budapest and eating leafy vegetables you’re gonna be smoking hot even when you’re 40.

    anyway this is unfair to be bagging on women only. as far as I’m concerned nobody – man or woman -should ever eat junk food -EVER. no chips, cookies, soda or ice cream.

    sorry I’m a bit of a food nazi.

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  48. Probably the best example is the author of Eat Pray Love. She ended up marrying a guy 17 years older than her, and he only proposed because he needed a visa (pics on my blog).

    duly noted.

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  49. One other note the 8% of men who marry the women 10yrs younger…..

    Ae these the same 10% of men who wait till over 35 to marry….probably

    Skip the divorce, trophy wife, and just rob the cradle of the 20s guys

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  50. Tim,
    i am a food nazi myself, although im trying to spare my friends from my healthy habits, i have a garden with veggies growing semi disorganized, herbs tomatoes cucumber squash etc, i buy local meat at the market and i try to avoid everything that is packed in plastic, i buy seasonal, i buy my milk products from a local farm not far away from me that don’t add anything to the products. I am really concerned about those things.
    Food is medicine, and can prevent trillions of diseases.
    Unfortunately there is an overhype of certain foods, and i wouldn’t buy something marketing as healthy after i read what it contains, just fake commercial, i tend to stick to the natural the better.

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  51. From my observation, women are generally better off in LTRs with a man who is at least 5-10 years older than them. Obviously there are some exceptions, but he’s more likely to think he’s got a good deal (a 6 gets treated like an 8, and so forth). In practical terms, it’s a good way for a smart woman to punch above her weight, assuming of course the man is still reasonably attractive (if not, it kind of defeats the point).

    It can be quite difficult sometimes to tell a woman’s age, particularly if she has moved State. Working on the above principle (I’m 33) I try not to date women over 25, but often I find they lie about their age. I’ll just have to start getting birth certificates I suppose.

    There was one woman I was once very keen on, who didn’t fit this profile (she was a year younger than me). She didn’t fit my other requirements either (she was at best average height, and I prefer tall women, nor was she particularly beautiful, moderately attractive would be about it, although she did tend to grow on one). I stuck to my principles, but it was difficult. Sometimes I have regrets, particularly as she still looks quite young. However, I’m sure with time the wisdom of my decision will be borne out, and indeed reading this site confirms it.

    Someone above mentioned nurses. One of my ex-girlfriends was a nurse (she was also a part-time model who was regularly reduced to tears by the jealousy of other nurses, but that’s another story). I have a theory that the same combination of hormones that lead certain women to become nurses, also inclines them to promiscuity.

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  52. When my grandfather died, my grandmother had men constantly asking her out . Guys from her high school days who she hadn’t talked to in 60 years would call her. She had to start taking anti-anxiety medication because she couldn’t handle all the attention. She was 84, so I assume some of them were younger.

    But I guess that’s not what they are talking about when they mean ‘cougars.’

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  53. Gorbachev–

    He went out with her about 5 times. They never had sex, but made out. She was interesting, but obsessed with getting a guy who was fit and youthful. He’s relatively fit and energetic. But she went on and on about it, how men were so useless and it was so hard to find a man who was into her that wasn’t a dork.

    I.e. she’s already hit the first wall more or less. She’s used to having attracted alphas and lesser alphas (in part because she was less focused on marital commitment from them and more willing to put out more quickly probably) and is now climbing the walls that she can only get great betas at best.

    The non-fat women feel entitled. They eventually hit a wall. That wall is about 35. By 35, the quality of man they can get drops radically. This frustrates them. They complain about the lack of good men (there’s no lack of actual men). The men they want are all dating women 5-10 years younger than they are.

    Jibes with what I see pretty well.

    However if the guy wants kids 35 is too old. Half of all women 35 and older can’t have kids and the large majority of the rest have a whole lot of trouble having them. The risk of birth defects also goes way up. I actually don’t think many men at all, even really educated ones, are aware of this. It’s not like the careerist female friendly media talk about it much in general interest articles etc. I think men to think the wall on kids tends to be around 40, but that’s more like the wall after which is pretty rare but not unheard of for a woman to be able to conceive a healthy baby. But only a small minority can.

    If you want kids 31 is really the absolute oldest you should date, considering it’s gonna be a year or more likely two before she’ll be even trying to conceive. That’s absolute last minute. 28 or 29 is more like it. With 24-6 being better. But that’s really reaching for your 38 year old acquaintance since his status and income, and game, don’t seem that super.

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  54. on August 27, 2010 at 5:33 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””’subnuclear
    When my grandfather died, my grandmother had men constantly asking her out . Guys from her high school days who she hadn’t talked to in 60 years would call her. She had to start taking anti-anxiety medication because she couldn’t handle all the attention. She was 84, so I assume some of them were younger.

    But I guess that’s not what they are talking about when they mean ‘cougars.’
    ”””””’
    Oh shit lol

    Well I guess grampa been telling stories he he he

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  55. Linda Hogan (Hulk Hogan’s) is the mental picture I always get when I hear cougar. She’s marrying some 19 yr old kid. It’s disgusting and quite freaky to look at. That bitch is crazy.

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  56. “I have a theory that the same combination of hormones that lead certain women to become nurses, also inclines them to promiscuity.”

    I’ve kind of always thought the same thing. And it also causes them to be moderately inattentive parents. They work these long-ass 12+/hr. shifts and walk around like zombies the rest of the time, and they’re 4 children born during a 6-year-period get shuffled from available relative to relative. And every time you read a story about a kid drowning in the backyard pool or falling out a window or getting strangled on a horizontal blind cord, it’s usually a nurse, unless of course, they’ve left the kid in the backseat on a hot day and forgot about it because they’re used to not doing the daycare drop off before their 12-hour shift starts, in which case they simply die when their temperature rises and not because of manufactured-goods that didn’t come with proper warning labels.

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  57. While I agree that the whole cougar
    phenomenon is mostly media hype and wishful thinking, I do think there is a kernel of truth in it. Specifically, very high alpha women in their fourties and later, such as the prototypical cougar, Demi Moore, and her comrade-in-arms Madonna, do go for younger men.

    Demi Moore can pull it off because she has the combination of looks, fame and money that most women don’t have at any age. The reason she wants to is because she rose up to fame and fortune by being a sex symbol. Being a sex symbol is (or was) her job, and she wants to reassure herself that she has it. Being on top of the world in other respects means that she doesn’t need to look for standard alphaness in her mate, such as wealth, position, etc. She has all that.

    But hanging around a boytoy like Ashton Kutcher, who would be beneath other women her age whose status is much lower than hers, lets her believe that she still ‘has it’.

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  58. @Name

    My nurse is a very good mother, but as you say, inattentive. I keep a close eye on things though, and the flip side of her inattentiveness is of course her extreme femininity. Nurses ooze oestrogen, I’ve noticed that they tend to have larger breasts on average, too. And when in condition, their waist hip ratio is also good,though that might be those waist cinching belts they wear.

    Speaking from experience, a lot of women put out that stuff about accidental pregnancy being impossible over 35 to trap men into getting them pregannt. It’s easier than a lot of guys think. Particularly for nurses. Watch out, Doug. Don’t let any woman change you from cad to dad without your full and free consent. We owe it to ourselves to be selective.

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  59. “Don’t let any woman change you from cad to dad without your full and free consent. We owe it to ourselves to be selective.”

    LOL- anplayer, you’d know eh?

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  60. “This is silly, im going to toss in my gloves and say this is total paranoia that older women repels you guys.”

    No, actually it’s the ugly (no pun intended) truth. I see few everyday women over 30 that I’m attracted to. There are some obviously but there’s a significant drop.

    My sense is that study captures the fundamental truth. And I’m not sure how well feminist conditioning of “age-appropriateness” will work on younger women. If you’re in good shape and have good game, you can see women in their mid-20s when you’re in your early 40s. Let’s put it this way — the typical Gen-X guy in his 40s was a sissy compared to a typical Great Generation guy now in his mid-70s. Well, I see gap almost as big between us and the younger millenials — excepting the rougher prole types, they are even more feminized.

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  61. @Dream_Puppy

    Although my kids were all unplanned, and cost me the divil and a half in child support, I love them dearly.

    I can well understand how lack of consent to conception can impede the father-child bonding process tough. My women are just damn lucky that I’ve the kind of heart that melts whn a baby’s little fist curls round my hand for the first time.

    Post-breakup, though, one of them made the mistake of thinking ALL men were like this. She wasn’t so lucky. Be warned, girls.

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  62. on August 27, 2010 at 6:41 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””’excepting the rougher prole types, they are even more feminized.”””

    Everyone got to get the dig in on a prole.

    They usually not on the internets to defend themselves they are out building shit and fucking woman he he he

    Proles don’t get a computer at work.

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  63. Doug:

    Because feminists and the media have in fact been strongly bruiting that message and shaming girls, and feminism friendly guys as well as most SWPL’s are, that any substantial age gap is disempowering for women, non progressive, and likely less equalist, and hence inherently evil under the feminist cannon.

    Interesting. I think a lot of you read too much into the older-man-younger-woman thing as inherent, when in fact it’s quite the opposite. Before, sure, there was a very real argument for a significant age gap–namely, wealth. Marriage, assuming we’re talking about marriage, was a purely business transaction and practically nothing else.

    Since the woman was bringing the fertility, she was expected to be young. Since the man was bringing the money, well, he was expected to be established. Now while there are some biological urges in each sex to keep with the pattern (man = money, woman = fertility), those biological urges are not the ultimatum when it comes to relationships these days.

    Certainly, there is still a natural age gap, but it is much, MUCH less than what you (and I think Jerry) like to prance around purporting. It’s much close to (4-8 years) than it is to (12-25 years). In fact, I would go so far as to make the argument that 99.99999% of relationships in which the age gap is 15+ years, the two involved parties are taking the biological urges to the max, i.e., the woman is a gold digger. Nothing wrong with this, of course (although some of the men here may think so), as these relationships usually work out very well–but not, of course, because of the age gap. Rather, they work out because these marriages are purely business, and have nothing to do with irrational decisions/emotions, e.g., love.

    People who want to find love/happiness with each other (not with each other’s money) will see a significant decrease in the age gap.

    [Editor: You’ve gotta be kidding. Are you actually claiming that large age gap relationships have nothing to do with love? Some of the most loving relationships I see are much younger women and older men where wealth wasn’t a factor.]

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  64. on August 27, 2010 at 6:44 pm gunslingergregi

    ok or yea they out killing and robbing people and shit so.

    They also out defending country and they don’t get a computer either.

    I made 623 dollars a month in basic training. That didn’t even cover minimum wage did it??

    And I started in the army as a e2 instead of an e1 just because I asked for it lol

    he he he

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  65. *much closer to

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  66. When I was in my 20’s I was often attracted to older men in their late 30’s and early 40’s, probably even more so than I am now. However, I was also attracted to men closer to my own age. I definitely think you can get a much younger woman for the short term, but she very well might not stick around because she has so many other appealing options.

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  67. on August 27, 2010 at 6:50 pm gunslingergregi

    When I was in bosnia with the wartime increase in income I made 1700 dollars a month as an e4.

    So yea think about that lol

    There is your prole willing to die for not money but something else.

    To all the proles who get to fuck nice looking woman anyway I salute you.

    Yea met my first wife making 950 a month in germany and she was hot. he he he

    Don’t hate on th proles just because they get better looking woman without the loot mua mua hahahahaahahh

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  68. on August 27, 2010 at 6:57 pm gunslingergregi

    In bosnia again we worked 12 hour days 7 days a week.

    So 4.60 an hour he he he

    for a job where got a chance of dieing.

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  69. on August 27, 2010 at 7:00 pm gunslingergregi

    While the welfare queen sitting back in states making around 30 to 36k for having kids now that is funny.

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  70. on August 27, 2010 at 7:01 pm gunslingergregi

    start saying female proles or something males are forced to contribute more or less before they get benies.

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  71. @allie-oop

    Most high quality women will not be interested in an LTR to a man more than 15 years older than themselves, even if he is in great condition. Any other view is just wishful thinking.

    They may want to jump his bones, if he’s attractive, but that’s all. All he’ll get is a pump and dump. At least, that’s what I’m finding now.

    There’s a good evo-psych reason for this, sperm quality aside (pesonally I don’t believe that shit about genetic mutations in older men) the woman wants to be sure the man will be strong enough to protect her while the kids are growing up, or at least for some of that time.

    Look at what happens to women who break that rule. Catherine Zeta Jones (a clear 8.5 in Zorro) looked 50 at 38 after a couple of years of Michael Douglas. She should have just pumped & dumped him for someone five years younger.

    Yes, SD, I know Mr Rochester was more than 15 years older than Jane Eyre, but that book was written by a woman in her late 20s, not a 17 year old. Also, Jane didn’t exactly have a lot of options. I’d say she was a 4 at best.

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  72. regarding nurses. I’ve nothing insightful to add but an observation. here in canada a nurse will ride in to work on the back of a motorcycle wearing skin-tight, acid-wash jeans. don’t know what it is. they wanna look like rocker bitches. probably has something to do with pacing the halls for 12 hrs a day taking care of the sick.

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  73. In my experience, the tighter a woman’s jeans, the higher her oestrogen level. So it makes sense that nurses would wear tight jeans.

    If they rode the motorbike steer instead of pillion(spot the lawyer) this would be a very different question.

    There are a number of theories on this.

    PS I’ve yet to see a lawyer chick in tight jeans. Presumably their hip to waist ratio just isn’t up to it.

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  74. @Doug1,

    If you want kids 31 is really the absolute oldest you should date, considering it’s gonna be a year or more likely two before she’ll be even trying to conceive. That’s absolute last minute. 28 or 29 is more like it. With 24-6 being better. But that’s really reaching for your 38 year old acquaintance since his status and income, and game, don’t seem that super.

    His options aren’t that great and his game sucks. So far. I’m working on him, but he’s too chivalrous.

    But if he can nab a nice 28-year-old, he’d be in the zone.

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  75. Dalrock,

    ” It really is in women’s best interest to marry fairly young and stay married.

    Probably the best example is the author of Eat Pray Love.”

    Funny thing – she was originally a dancer in the Coyote Ugly place, she wrote the article that the appalling film was based on. And she was a bombshell back then. No longer.

    From ripe plum to shrivelled prune, in 15 years. All she deserves, given her treatment of her former husband.

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  76. As an aging guy, my take on these cougars:

    1. Not mentioned about this older woman stuff is that women really hit a physical wall when their hormones stop. They just wear out sooner than men, I assume because of a lack of hormonal support for their tissues.

    2. Imagine these beautiful, older women without surgery and cosmetics. There wouldn’t BE any good looking older women without a lot of surgery and cosmetics. They would look a lot like men.

    3. The older I get, the less attractive older women look to me because I understand the physical deterioration aging causes. For example, their hair and skin feel like shit compared to a young woman’s hair. I know that their attractive appearance is almost entirely artificial, phony, just fake. They paint themselves and think they are great looking. That is pathetic.

    Oh, boy, a Shakespeare moment, and your reward for reading this far. You all remember the graveyard scene where Hamlet finds the skull of the old court jester, Yoric:

    Hamlet looking at the skull:

    “Now get you to my lady’s chamber, and tell her, let her paint an inch thick, to this favour she must come. Make her laugh at that. ”

    That said, I think they have a lot to offer to young men to help them gain sexual experience, but, likely, they would just reject the poor betas anyway, and the alphas sure don’t need them.

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  77. Are you actually claiming that large age gap relationships have nothing to do with love?

    Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying.

    [Editor: Well then, you are either stupid or a liar.]

    Aside from the obvious biological reasons that anplayer pointed out above, a large age gap (15+ years) creates a pretty significant generational gap, especially in this day and age.

    [Easily overcome by keeping up with the latest pop culture fads. And this isn’t much of a chore. There’s a lot of good indie music out there now.]

    I won’t deny that there are plenty of older men who find much younger women attractive, and plenty of younger women who find the established “alphaness” (that which comes from stability/wealth/establishment in society/dominance) in much older men attractive, these relationships are highly unlikely to last for more than a few years UNLESS the two parties have something to offer the other. Traditionally such unions only worked because each party brought very specific commodities, namely wealth and fertility.

    [Younger women also find older men attractive for the same reasons they find younger men attractive: he’s got game, charm, looks, humor, or some combination of those. no wealth required.]

    There are quite a few things that have changed in modern society that have modified this arrangement–not entirely because of feminism, either.

    A very significant invention of modern society is modern medicine, which allows women to conceive reliably later in life. I’m not talking about women conceiving past age 30, or even past age 25. Why do you think, back in the day, that girls married as they hit puberty and immediately started having babies? Lack of knowledge about conception and high infant mortality rates, no doubt.

    Just a few hundred years ago a couple could start having children when the girl was 14, and only two or three would survive to adulthood (i.e. to the point at which they would reproduce). Today, a couple can start having children when the woman is about 28 and still have two or three survive to adulthood.

    Yes, female fertility declines quite rapidly after age 30. However, this was much more of an issue before modern medicine–with the exception of vast agricultural societies (early america), our ancestors did not have 10-children families. But they did start trying earlier.

    [The existence of modern medicine or fertility treatments is irrelevant. What matters is how women look after a certain age, and even if her aging, arid womb can support another kid via IVF treatment, her appearance will still be that of an older women with declining fertility. The boner does not care for modern medicine; it only cares for hot bods and young, angelic faces.]

    Some of the most loving relationships I see are much younger women and older men where wealth wasn’t a factor.

    I think it should be pretty obvious that such examples, if they’re not just hot air, are exceptions that prove the rule, not the other way around.

    [There are more honestly loving may-december LTRs than there are loving age-similar LTRs, measured as a percent of the total number of each. I’m not kidding about this.]

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  78. ugh

    *as soon as they hit…

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  79. Oh, about the declining rate of marriages where the man is much older than the women. Based on my experience, with my children and their friends who have gotten married, men aren’t interested in supporting their wives these days. (Man, what a change from the old days.) So, they marry a woman who has more or less completed her education and has a decent job.

    I only know of one couple in my kids’ generation where one spouse supports the other. (The wife supports the husband. He can’t find anything he really wants to do.)

    This could be just a smart move on the men’s part, or it could be just part of the delayed maturation of American youth, but, it seems to be a pattern.

    You really have to look under the hood to understand what these statistics are trying to say.

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  80. Older women are marrying younger men in larger numbers. I see this daily in my peer group.

    It’s happening because men are so emasculated that they will not learn game, or approach women.

    Cougars, however, will approach those “men.”

    Marriage follows.

    While it might be somewhat grating, it is indeed the case that cougars are “winning.” Their “victory” is also consistent with the Roissy worldview.

    I, personally, love the generation beneath me. I have almost zero competition from guys 10 years my junior. They’ve been completely feminized. Even the ones who have some masculinity have been brain washed into listening to what women say, and thus remain constantly frustrated.

    Let the cougars take more younger men off the market. That leaves more younger women left for me.

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  81. Well, I see gap almost as big between us and the younger millenials — excepting the rougher prole types, they are even more feminized.

    Yep. Exactly. I have said to some of my younger guy friends that their generation is the greatest thing to happen to me. Single moms and feminism has killed the men. Yet women will also desire masculinity. My stock price increases each year.

    Because of how beta and feminized they’ve become, most men earn earned an extra 5 years of sexual relevancy. Used to be that 40 was it. You’re dead. Now, with HGH and Testosterone, I see guys who are 50 still running shit with mid-30s chicks.

    Even younger girls would rather have a 40-year-old man than a 30-year-old man child depicted in this fantastic article:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/magazine/22Adulthood-t.html

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  82. “[There are more honestly loving may-december LTRs than there are loving age-similar LTRs, measured as a percent of the total number of each. I’m not kidding about this.]”

    Any stats to back this up? I find it hard to believe.

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  83. I wont even consider fucking a girl past 22/she graduates from college. College was made from 18-22 for a reason. College girls are the hottest girls on Earth. Dammit.

    I don’t find any girls out of college hot at all.

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  84. Poor LJ, probably thinks she’s right.

    For the edification of everyone else, here is a case study in presentism, narcissism, and the progressive mindfuck machine.

    “Or…. maybe women partners who are in similar life stages to them, want to avoid early caretaking duties and widowhood, and don’t want to have children with men with declining sperm quality. Or else they simply don’t find receding hairlines hot.

    Naw, I bet it’s because they’re “indoctrinated” to think older guys are creepy.”

    Back in the day then, without free schools, preschool, daycare, women were indoctrinated to like creepy old guys who didn’t even have Rogaine, and at a young age forced to marry and have children, every girl’s nightmare. Now, they are free to fuck at a young age, can sympathize with urbane TV characters about not finding the right guy to marry, and get cats and dogs to replace their children.

    But she deserves what she wants!

    She doesn’t want low sperm quality in her man! The man who gets an autistic child from her far more rapidly declining reproductive health.

    She doesn’t want a receding hairline or any of that other ugly junk oldsters have! Except the woman ages and gets ugly far faster.

    Now, this is impressive ladies and gentlemen. If we apply her same principles to the decision of a man, he should obviously choose younger women, and is even more compelled by reason to do so. Hell, she should choose younger men!

    But she doesn’t, because of the magic principle which is the only not facially ridiculous item: equality and “the same stages of life”.

    But this is just a more general and resilient mindfuck.

    If everyone is ideally equal, why should you be prejudiced against someone older or younger, and prejudiced for someone the same age?

    Does a freeman’s life really go through Child, Teenager, Young Adult, Family, Midlife Crisis, Florida? Does this exist? Does a relationship need these people on the same page as one another? This is what the sheep need to believe.

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  85. Does this page have anything to do with age?

    The 30 year old man was at the stage to start a family, just as the 20 year old woman was.

    Seriously stupid. I need to go let off some steam. You around LJ?

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  86. “Older women are marrying younger men in larger numbers. I see this daily in my peer group.”

    Actually, Mike, overall this is NOT the case, NY Times article to the contrary. Stats bear this out. % of men marrying women 5+ years younger dropped from 33% to 25% between 1960 and 1980, but has remained stable since.

    % of women marrying guys 5+ years younger rose from 4% to 5.5% or so, but this isn’t that large of an increase. So there has been movement, but most of it was a couple decades ago. Marriage ages today are increasing for both sexes, but the age difference is staying about the same.

    I think LH is Spungen from Half Sigma’s blog. She’s obsessed with hating men who hit on younger women.

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  87. [There are more honestly loving may-december LTRs than there are loving age-similar LTRs, measured as a percent of the total number of each. I’m not kidding about this.]

    ***smiles***

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  88. does she really need that surgery?

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  89. @ Dream Puppy- Not a slut. But I could see how that might be implied as a backhanded compliment coming from a girl. But yeah the people who have said this have all been guys.

    @Rational Man- Okay but I don’t want to work in Corp. But I can see how my guy friends might sense that I am career orientated. I wonder if you can be a Cougar even if you don’t want to be. Like younger people can sense who they want to be a Cougar or something.

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  90. Haha, calling a young girl a cougar, the perfect neg.

    “I think you’re hot enough that you’ll still be hot when you’re older, but slutty enough that you’ll be single and sleeping around, and hot and slutty enough that should sleep with me right now.”

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  91. “What women have trained their brains to process is that when they are 35-49 and yet they still have tons of younger guys wanting to bang them, they take this for being attractive and worthy, whereas it is clear that it is simply an easier sexual outlet for men who do not wish to try hard or are having trouble with girls their own age or younger.”

    Too true. 100% correct.
    I used to know a woman who was 36 or 37. She was “seeing” a guy of about 20. She boasted she had a “friend with benefits” until she broke it off. He wasn’t being much of a friend she said. He was just coming over maybe one weekend a month while her kids were at Dad’s and fucking her.

    Gee lady, who woulda thunk it?

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  92. Second on Mike on how feminized younger guys have become, making older guys more attractive. It is really pathetic, how unmanly many younger guys have become. Lots of women find masculinity threatening, because it cannot be controlled or tamed. But, lack of it is not exciting or desirable.

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  93. In a healthy society, women over 30 would not be out looking for men, they would be busy at home raising the children they had when they were in their 20’s. But this is not a healthy society, in fact it is a dying society, so we have all sorts of social pathologies, of which the most harmful is feminism. But don’t worry, the end is not far off.

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  94. JAFO

    1/2 [your age] + 7

    No way. That’s just PC talk. Don’t be afraid to admit it. 18 to 26, with 24 as the sweet spot.

    And that doesn’t change as you get older.

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  95. In Asia, there’s a huge pressure to marry and in many cases women are very conscious of this so will target these beta providers.

    Then as they reach their 30’s these married women invariably become bored with their husbands and seek opportunities to meet other men for flirting and whatever else can happen through plausible deniability.

    The other scenario here is that single women who resist the pressure to marry in their 20’s approach their 30’s and mask their independence and rebelliousness against social mores by complaining “there are no good men” while very often secretly carrying on with various affairs.

    I’ve met various women here who shag like nobody’s business then remark that their boyfriends won’t fuck them or go down on them or don’t know what to do. Yet they stay with them.

    Finally there is a third group of women here in Asia. These are the ones who have moved way past family pressures, like being single, have money and are cougars as you describe.

    Of the three groups if the women in this third group are well preserved, dress well, take care of themselves, they’re much better all around and tend to treat the guys they’re fucking much better.

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  96. My wife is 16 years younger than me and we adore each other. New baby, etc. Much more natural than any of the above discussion would indicate, in every way. To the points that allie-oop raised, older men are (1) more mature, (2) more confident in themselves, (3) more socially dominant, (4) more experienced and wise, and (5) less driven by their dicks than younger guys. All quite separate from wealth or any alpha qualities in their personality. Add game, status and alpha traits and you have a great package. I agree with the comment above that women today are socialized to think older men are creepy – May-December type relationships were certainly more common, if not actually the norm, in many past ages in many societies. However, despite the conditioning, there is a large minority of women who are attracted mainly to older men, for the above reasons.

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  97. Mike, just because it’s becoming more acceptable doesn’t mean that it’s happening more often. It’s just that ow/ym age gap relationships aren’t as hidden as they used to be.

    It used to be that if the woman was older, this was unspoken. People understood that it wasn’t normal or generally preferable, so age gap couple who were really in love pretended the guy was older.

    Some few women with really good longevity genes could pull it off with up to around a 10 year difference. Since the age of menopause is increasing, plus people have no shame anymore, one should expect to see both a slight increase in ow/ym marriages and shagging as well as more people doing so publically.

    It never was and never will be a trend in the truest sense though, simply because women like men who are more dominant. It is very difficult for a much younger man to be “the man” in the relationship. It’s even somewhat difficult for many similarly aged men nowadays due to feminization.

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  98. maurice,
    You bring up a good point. I think women do like older men for the reasons you mentioned and obviously real love can easily exist between the two. Where I disagree with these guys is that a much older man is able to be a lover boy to numerous younger women. He isn’t, older men’s sexuality just isn’t worth that much, just like older women’s sexuality. However, as far as being a good husband I think a man being significantly older is actually much to the wife’s advantage for all the reasons you mentioned. Even on this board the men that I know to be older tend to write much better comments than the younger ones.
    One thing some of the men on here talk about is the power differential between older men and younger women. I actually think in some ways a woman being much younger than a man would give her more leverage than being closer to his age. Men our own age act like they are some great prize to us, where as older men seem to adore younger women.

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  99. LBK,
    Most women that I know in their 30’s are raising children rather then worrying about competing with younger women in the dating market. I don’t like getting older, but having children and realizing that it is just the natural order of things makes it much easier to bear.
    I went out with my husband and friends last year and there was a cute 46 year old bartender showing them pictures of his 24 year old girlfriend. Admittedly, I was a little annoyed that a man 10 years older than me is able to date a woman 10 years younger than me. However, I also remember thinking that I was really glad I had sons, because in 15 years or so they will be grown men in their 20’s hopefully able to attracted young pretty women. This bartender will be an old man.

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  100. I heard a good comment from a woman who married a much older man:

    I’d rather be an old man’s darling than a young man’s slave.

    There is no question older men tend to treat their younger wives with great appreciation. This has been known for a very long time.

    It all depends what you want, or need, from your marriage.

    A problem I see is that women have been told, since they were very young, that they can have it all. This is very difficult to do, perhaps impossible for most people. It is just as destructive as telling young men all those lies about women being loving, caring and virtuous people, instead of telling young men what women are really like.

    Life is all about choices. But if you don’t know the truth, an intelligent choice is very hard to make. This goes for both sexes.

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  101. “She seemed no more or less mature than the average woman.”

    A point lost on the 1/2 your age plus seven crowd.

    Women don’t mature. Their bodies mature.

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  102. Rollo

    Rollo Tomassi

    Cougars are simply low hanging fruit. On some level of consciousness they acknowledge this. They realize that there is a perception amongst younger men that they are necessitously easier to bang.

    I don’t know why more young guys don’t go for the older women. It’s an excellent trade. Youth and energy for a more experienced and appreciative woman. Yes, they are way easier to bed.

    My oldest was 48, and she was in the top 5 fucks of my life. A squirter who could fuck for hours and hours, and soak the bedsheets.

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  103. xsplat,
    Younger men are physically attractive, but I do think the appeal of younger men for older women is actually a little exaggerated. I feel like being with a younger man would just make me feel old, as well as the fact that I would be in charge, which isn’t much fun either. For a very short term fling I guess it would be okay.

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  104. LBK

    But don’t worry, the end is not far off.

    The end of what?

    Your kind is stupidly vague.

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  105. Laura, that may be true, but it irrelevent. Old women in the market for sex spread like butter.

    Younger girls are pickier.

    All a young guy has to do is show up and offer to lick.

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  106. Younger women just have more options, that’s all. I’m actually not less picky than I was when I was younger. An attractive 40 year old man with a good personality and character would be more appealing to me than the same in a 25 year old man, mostly just because he is older. That’s all I am trying to say.

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  107. when i was in my mid 20s my little gang of hipsters went to a happy hour open bar at a more grown up, fancy lounge than were used to–being dive bar denizens. i remember thinking how good all the women looked, so dressed up and sexy and grown up, the men were older too. i went in the bathroom and when i was in the stall two women came in and were talking. they were so desperate and unhappy–
    i have to meet someone!!”. i came out and saw them in the harsh bathroom light and they were haggard and drawn–the same women i thought so sophisticated and attractive out in the dimly lit bar. i knew right there that being single and on the prowl at 35 was a fate worse than death

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  108. Xsplat, as always, it depends on what woman you try to pick up, there are loose women in every age group, and i think they are less of them in the older age group as many are married and dont go out, then there is prob a miserable bunch of older women that are very agressive, but they are the equivalent of the omega males, both exists, of course neither of them are not picky.
    And saying younger women are picky? pfff.

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  109. alie-oop

    It’s much close to (4-8 years) than it is to (12-25 years). In fact, I would go so far as to make the argument that 99.99999% of relationships in which the age gap is 15+ years

    I’ve never promoted a 25 year age gap as something that will normally work. That’s your totally made up strawman. You should be ashamed of yourself, disingenuous feminist.

    Instead I suggest 5-10 usually, going out to 15 if the guy is really bringing a lot in terms of status, game and money. Much more than that and I agree it’s very likely to be problematic before long.

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  110. A little more than 15 yrs can and does work all the time but the boundary is about 19 years I think. Shy of 20. For a durable loving union.

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  111. “All the fat people have made the few non-fat women seem like nuggets of gold.”

    That is so true. I see women walking around Chicago and even young ones are obese these days. I don’t really understand why unless it is all the high fructose corn syrup in the food.

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  112. Bik, I see your pfff and raise you a pfffffff.

    Yes, older women are less picky than younger women.

    Duh.

    Any young guy not getting laid has an easy option. Chat up the older woman in his social circle.

    I’m not the first guy to point out the obvious. Some guy famous for nothing this is on a US dollar bill.

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  113. That is so true. I see women walking around Chicago and even young ones are obese these days. I don’t really understand why unless it is all the high fructose corn syrup in the food.

    Gut microbes have been implicated, as have been viruses, as has diet. Plus, if your friends are fat, your chance of being fat rises quite a lot – fatness is also a social disease.

    The epidemic is likely all of the above.

    What you want to do is control your insulin level through diet and supplements and a habit of never being too sated. The stomach goes nuts if it’s sated all the time. Occasional fasting helps with discipline, and of course exercise is a must.

    Gut microbes can be put back in balance, and in fact there are some that are marketed (or have been researched) to directly affect metabolism.

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  114. Chateau–

    honestly loving may-december LTRs

    God I hate that expression. May-September is more like it, or May-October. December = Hugh Heffner at present.

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  115. Flip, it’s a combination: refined sugars, refined salt, soy, vegetable oils, and not enough fresh fruits and vegetables.

    Any woman can reduce to her truly natural size by cutting the crap from her diet, and making vegetables and meats her primary sources of nutrition.

    I also suspect that this will also feminize their figures, and make the fat that is there in the meantime a bit less unpleasant to look at until it’s gone.

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  116. Nicole, why the hell are you giving diet advice?!!!

    That’s like a woman giving game advice.

    Be real.

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  117. Xsplat,
    unattractive stupid women are always easier to pick up, it is not age specific, but looks and personality specific, i don’t like generalizations. If a guy is 45, he will have more problem to pick up 24 year olds then a cougar will with the opposite sex. Maybe your age makes it harder for you to pick up younger women and you find them picky.

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  118. Of course you don’t like generalizations, Bik, you’re a woman.

    All women are like that. Special snowflake commu-tarts at heart. Very special each, and yet all never toooo special as to let anyone else be special. Commu-tarts are like that – everyone is equal except some are more equal.

    Nothing special about you not liking generalizations, Bik. Same old retarded female refrain we all expect. Trite.

    And what the hell does which sex has an easier time have to do with anything? WTF?

    Old women are easy because they are ugly. Idiot.

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  119. Bik, women hate hate hate:
    1) Generalizations
    2) differences.

    Go figure. For women, no matter WHAT you say, you will hear either:
    1) “But not ALL women are like that!” or
    2) There are no group differences, only unique individuals. And even unique individuals aren’t different than anyone. We are all the same, deep down inside, and that’s ALL that matters!

    Commu-tarts. Communist pea brained tarts. Especially YOU Bik.

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  120. Yes, ugly women that are loose with a crap personality are more easy, but that is not age specific.

    For me everybody is a special snowflake, i don’t treat anyone as a flock of cows, its people, judge them one by one.

    I told the age because you seem so convinced every older women is a slut. Im not saying aging doesn’t takes it toll on looks it does, but it pretty hurtful to see how you think, can you possibly laugh a good person in the face because of age only?

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  121. xsplat,
    Just because you don’t find older women attractive doesn’t mean you are better than us or that we are dying to jump in bed with you.

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  122. I mean does it make you feel better about yourself? And still it is not even true, and you have to escape the country that created this generalized image of women, where people become feel satisfied by climbing on less fortunate. and you move to another country to live your lies, otherwise people would step on you exactly as you do here.

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  123. I have a comment to you in mod bik. Presaging your comment.

    So predictable.

    God, you are dulll dull dull dull dullllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.

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  124. Laura – WTF?!!!!!

    You hate hate hate reality, don’t you. What does who is better than who have to do with the FACT that for a young man, it is way easier to fuck older women than women his same age?

    Does it make me FEEL better?

    Sometimes, because of females like you, I hate women.

    Stupid.

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  125. Some girls here are as dull as a 179 degrees obtuse.

    What’s the point of using words, if all you want to use them for is obfuscating reality? Go chatter amongst the the females. This place is for humans who are sharper.

    I swear, the moronic ramblings of some of you girls.

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  126. “”1) Generalizations
    2) differences.

    Go figure. For women, no matter WHAT you say, you will hear either:
    1) “But not ALL women are like that!” or
    2) There are no group differences, only unique individuals. And even unique individuals aren’t different than anyone. We are all the same, deep down inside, and that’s ALL that matters!”””

    Yes i hate generalization, its actually true that not all women are like that, im sorry, its true.

    there are only unique individuals, and we are NOT the same, no one is, i only judge people after a time. Im not judging rich, im not judging old, im not judging young. Its a silly thing to do because you will miss out a lot in life if you are so closed.

    If you like younger, fine, i don’t have a problem with that. I have a problem with your attitude against older versus younger, you treat older as they would be contagious with some incurable disease.

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  127. Bik – FOCUS WOMAN!

    Yes or no – do young men have an easier time getting laid by older women than by women their same age?

    Oh, wait, you CAN’T answer that. Because it’s about a generality.

    Can’t you see how irritating it is for you to converse with the adults? You don’t belong here – not as a commentor.

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  128. Xsplat.

    Yes or no – do young men have an easier time getting laid by older women than by women their same age?

    Fit men with good personality will not ave a problem finding someone.
    Fit women with good personality will not have a problem to find somebody.

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  129. @ Gorb,
    @ Walawala

    For Asian women…it’s all in the genes. However, we still need to take care of ourselves. Everyone needs to. Having a healthy life style helps and a healthy, positive sense of self.

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  130. Mike

    I, personally, love the generation beneath me. I have almost zero competition from guys 10 years my junior. They’ve been completely feminized. Even the ones who have some masculinity have been brain washed into listening to what women say, and thus remain constantly frustrated.

    Word.

    Or the other way to put it is that younger guys haven’t had the chance to learn yet. 10 years ago I was as silly as any current guy 10 years my junior.

    Yes, age does have it’s offsetting advantages, for men. A guy can stay in the game a good long time. Into his sixties, easily.

    And the way women age, I rarely see any advantage to marrying. Even to a woman 20 years your junior. No matter how old she is, in 10 years you could likely get a girl younger than her.

    There is a girl 20 years my junior who wants me to marry her and give her a baby. What’s in it for me? Unless a man has strong paternal urges, as some do, getting stuck in with a woman with strong maternal urges is a recipe for romance death, sex death, boredom, and quiet desparation. So what is this girl offering me in return? Nothing. As if it was flirting to ask a guy if he wants to marry and have babies. No, flirting is having outstanding sex until the guy is deeply bonded to you. Then you might try and ooops moment, and see if he bolts. Flirting is not offering to either be friends or get married and have babies. I can’t understand some people – what offer they think they are making.

    That’s all very rambling, but it circles back. A man can retain attraction well past the time where his face is attractive, and an older man can compete with men younger and 5 points higher on the looks scale. That being so, marrying is for the lazy and scared. Too lazy to keep a hand in the game, and too scared to put up with the inevitable loneliness and heartbreak and frustrations that come with the dating game.

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  131. Grampa,
    You said it better than me. An older man would very likely have more appreciation for his younger wife than a husband her own age might. I could definitely see that.

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  132. “Most women look like this at 40”

    Many moons ago I dated this girl for a couple of years. Always faithful, was I. We did do the break-up/get-back-together thing, until one day the latter part didn’t happen.

    A few months ago, I got one of those “maybe you know this person” things on Facebook. She looked familiar, but I couldn’t quite place her. I thought, “She looks like my old ex-girlfriend’s mother.” The horror of realization hit. I had looked at this girl almost everyday for over two years and only recognized her because she looks like her mother now.

    Moral of the story: Oh hell no!

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  133. Grampa said

    “Life is all about choices.
    But if you don’t know the truth, an intelligent choice is very hard to make.”

    This is gold.

    It’s easy to fall into a trap of berating ourselves for making unfortunate choices when actually we were deceived regarding what our options really are, or deceived about why something is the way it is.
    Some people (and/or institutions, industries, etc) invest a lot of resources into keeping the truth hidden.

    Thanks Grampa.

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  134. on August 28, 2010 at 6:41 pm Robert Seymour

    Roissy, I sent you this article. His about a shout out.

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  135. Re: Dana

    About the ladies on the prowl after 35. I think that post should be widely circulated. Waiting too long for the perfect anything is just sad.

    Life, in the end, is what you make of it. And, “it” is very short. Finding a good, decent person to spend your life with (or at least a major portion of it) and investing the energy and love to build that life is just about the most anybody can hope for. Making the proper choice in a mate is crucial, not to get the very best, but to avoid unsatisfactory mates. Investigate the family.

    I always told my kids: If you are bored, then you are boring. These ladies afraid of being locked into a boring relationship are saying a great deal about themselves.

    I would like to know what happens to “cougars” when they get into their 50’s and 60’s. At some point, you need a dependable companion, who won’t bolt when things get boring or bothersome. Wouldn’t this be a great sociology study for a young male graduate student? Getting your PhD screwing dozens of somewhat over the hill but still nice looking women.

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  136. on August 28, 2010 at 8:21 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    xsplat

    What does who is better than who have to do with the FACT that for a young man, it is way easier to fuck older women than women his same age?

    Sorry dude, but that “FACT” is … false.
    False. Like, laughable joke level of false, at least if you’re in anything resembling a mainstream demographic.

    If you’re a college guy in America, which is what I think when you say “young man”, then, college girls are about a thousand times as easy to lay as are off-campus women in their thirties.

    In fact, from what I’ve seen, if a man is “N” years old, then the women with whom he has the easiest time getting laid are … wait for it … “N” years old.

    This is also a more plausible reason for the shrinking marriage age gap (as opposed to the ceaseless shrieking of “feminism feminism feminism” — I mean, yeah, feminism has fucked a lot of stuff up, but let’s try not to let that metastasize into conversations about unrelated subjects).
    Namely, more and more marriages are happening between people who just fell into bed together and then found themselves in a relationship, as opposed to being screened by their respective families and all that. And people who just fall into bed together tend to be … around the same age.
    Gadzooks!

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  137. Epoxy, my experience way back when I was in my early twenties is that while I could occasionally score with girls my age, women in their mid thirties up to early forties were easy. This continued up until my early thirties, when I would sometimes go there and date an older woman.

    You’re experience might be different, as perhaps you are of average or above average looks. My musing is aimed towards the guy who isn’t the it man at parties, and who isn’t getting as much as he wants.

    I’m of below average looks, and not always suave in my social dealings. For guys of my type, older women are way easier, way more appreciative. You gain two points in attractiveness to them, at least.

    And I’m not the first or even the thousandth person to comment on this. Ben Franklin, in his ugly and horny youth, used to target the older women precisely because they were easier.

    If the man is not in the top 60% of looks, he will do far better with older women than women his same age, when he is in his early twenties.

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  138. Epoxy – If the man is not in the top 60% of looks, he will do far better with older women than women his same age, when he is in his early twenties.

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  139. on August 28, 2010 at 9:36 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    xsplat, that’s not true either. At least not in mainstream America (I can’t speak for the country in which you currently live).

    The guys in their twenties who score easily with older women, but who have a hard time with girls their own age, tend to be almost exactly the opposite of what you’ve described: they tend to be better-than-average-looking, but usually retiring, or wimpy, or girly, or similarly low-status.
    The type of guy whom women would eagerly scope out from a distance, but for whom women’s gaze would turn from gold to lead within the first few seconds of interaction.

    It makes sense — women who go for younger guys are usually after the leadership role in the relationship, or at least more than the usual modicum of control (or at least so they think). Therefore, these guys’ lack of, shall we say, leadership ability doesn’t hurt them to the extent that it would with girls who are their contemporaries. And if the guys are decently attractive on top of that, that’s another plus for the aspiring cougars.

    Ugly guys in their twenties will have a tougher row to hoe in general, with both younger and older women. But the good news is that “ugly” for guys is far from a universal: take any, and I mean ANY “ugly” guy in his twenties who’s not actually deformed, get him into the gym, give him a decent makeover, and suddenly he won’t be “ugly” anymore.
    Any one of them.
    Not to mention the existence of a sizable crowd of (usually emo type) girls who specifically target non-sexy men — i.e., for whom ugly is a definite plus — and this complaint rings hollow.

    If you found that older women were easier than younger women in your twenties, then that probably has nothing to do with your looks — it probably just means that you were a pushover back then.
    Whatever. Bygones.

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  140. The whole cougar phenom will unceremoniously coming crashing down like a ton of bricks when the world discovers Ashton has been stepping out on Demi with a 20 year old(s).

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  141. Epoxy – i’m trying to follow you, but can’t seem to. I have no idea where you are getting your ideas from.

    I thought it was universally recognized and understood that older women are easier. Women lose status as they age. They are fish in a barrel. The older they get, the more status they lose, and the more relative status you have over them.

    I doubt even Ben Franklin was the first to notice this.

    For some reason you think younger girls are easier. Why? I know that you do, but WHY do you?

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  142. on August 28, 2010 at 10:02 pm Obsidian's Entrails

    “The whole cougar phenom will unceremoniously coming crashing down like a ton of bricks when the world discovers Ashton has been stepping out on Demi with a 20 year old(s).”

    Can’t wait until this happens.

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  143. on August 28, 2010 at 10:16 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    xsplat:

    I thought it was universally recognized and understood that older women are easier. Women lose status as they age. They are fish in a barrel. The older they get, the more status they lose, and the more relative status you have over them.

    Yeah, yeah. That’s the theory. The practice is often different from the theory.
    As far as “where I’m getting my ideas from”, um, well, from growing up in mainstream America, where a non-dysfunctional college-age guy looking to get laid would be much better advised to target his own age group.

    I doubt even Ben Franklin was the first to notice this.

    Ben Franklin, who has been dead for over two hundred years, lived in an age when young women had a lot more to lose from being slutty, thus skewing the results accordingly.

    Do you seriously think that a 21-year-old American guy can pick up a forty-year-old woman for sex, more easily than he could a girl his own age?
    If you do, then you’re way too caught up in theorizing, in the same sense that the blank-slaters are way too caught up in their own theorizing. Meaning, your system of beliefs about these things internally makes sense — really, it does — but, unless things have changed 180 degrees since I graduated (about a dozen years ago), one visit to a college campus would make all those beliefs come crashing down. Sex from college chicks is fast, loose, and easy; at least older women will bother to shit-test.

    Of course, everything depends on what you mean by “young man”.
    I could maybe see what you’re saying for guys who are 30ish years old — since women his age are going to be scrambling to get married, they might be a little less loose with the sex relative to women ten years older.
    But even then… nah, not really.

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  144. on August 28, 2010 at 10:22 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    X:
    Longer response in mod, but the short version is
    That’s a great theory [regarding the status differentials between younger and older women], but people’s actions don’t accord with the theory.

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  145. Epoxy, guys don’t fuck older women for a simple reason – they prefer to fuck younger women.

    Women may even prefer to fuck older guys.

    But take any 100 random 25 year old guys and any 50 random 25 year old women and 50 random 40 year old women, and the guys will have a way faster time of bedding the older women.

    They don’t usually because low hanging fruit isn’t always the tastiest.

    All I’m saying is what many people on this board have said, what is common and common sense knowledge: younger guys can build up their momentum by fucking older broads.

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  146. Comment in mod to you also Epoxy. My point isn’t that older women younger men pairing is common. It’s that older women are easier to get naked.

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  147. Xsplat, I can give diet advice because I’ve actually been obese, and have lost the weight equivalent of a second grader in two and a half years, with no sign of it ever returning.

    Most people giving diet advice only had the weight equivalent of a baby to lose.

    Who would you rather listen to if you needed to lose a lot weight? Someone who has lost 30 kg. or someone who’s lost 3?

    Besides, I’m one of those people who was blessed and cursed with a real *need* for activity. I do more physical activity in a day than most of the delicate girls around me who can’t dance for half an hour without feeling like they’re going to die, do in a month.

    So you know where you can shove your avian bird syndrome snootiness. I’m mixed African and Native American, descended from big, scary people who worked harder than you. I don’t need to be tiny to be healthy. I just need to be carrying less extra packed on due to a temporary excursion into herd nutrition.

    So it’s actually more like a person who was wounded by an accident and then given bad advice from doctors on how to recover, figuring out they were being lied to, and is in the process of real recovery, telling people how she went from the wheelchair to crutches and then to limping a little, but walking damnit.

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  148. …and I don’t think older women are easier. I think the leftover older women who are still available when they’re older tend to be easier because they were pretty much easier all along.

    Those of us who have been married or in long term relationships before, still usually look for the same thing. We’re probably stupid because we chose a guy who would ultimately leave us, but not really easier.

    What a young guy should know is that older women who’ve never been married or in a long term relationship are probably in that situation for a reason. Very very few are older and have been basically single forever because they were just unlucky. Very few.

    Even many who’ve been in LTR’s and are newly single are screwed up somehow.

    I’ve talked to more than one older single woman who has tried to glom onto my social sphere because she sees I’m attractive to men of a wide range of ages. They don’t understand that the younger ones are strictly platonic and think of me like a big sister or auntie.

    I do have some influence on my friends, and probably could hook them up, but most of the time I don’t want to. These women have ruined enough men in their lives, and I don’t want to expose any men I care about to those kinds of women.

    Some examples of behavior most older single women I know are prone to:

    Extreme-extreme jealousy. They will hang on a guy like an anchor whenever they go out, and do other scary territorial things out of fear the guy will look at another woman.

    Expecting the guy to pay for everything before there’s even a real relationship going on. Talking trash about him if he doesn’t…calling him cheap.

    Bitter-bitching, and expecting guys to talk to them while they’re in the middle of a verbal castration frenzy.

    Related to the above, sour graping when they see guys they’re attracted to, talking to other women. The woman is a whore, fat, or ugly or somehow messed up just because she’s getting attention the bitter one wishes she was getting.

    Don’t get me started on the cock teasing. Some older women with no intention whatsoever of ever putting out will pretend they like a guy to get favors. (This is one reason I decided to be responsive to that barman, because I could handle being perceived as a little bit of a beer whore, but God strike me down if I ever become a user. Eventually, if dude holds his ground, he’s getting some.)

    They know that guys think older women are easier, so they’ll use this to extract as much as they can, with the possibility of sexual availability. If it’s drinks or if it’s driving them all over town to bars, whatever they can get.

    Then they don’t appreciate what the guy is doing for them.

    They can’t be happy for someone else’s success in finding a man. They complain if one of their friends gets a boyfriend and can’t hang out with them anymore, but the reason they can’t hang out anymore aside of not having the time, is because of the bitterness and poison being dripped into her ears.

    So anybody thinking about going older, just be aware that it might not be worth it. A woman matures and blossoms under the hand of a strong man. A woman who has never had that, most likely, doesn’t want it or is incapable of appreciating it.

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  149. Nicole, dittoing your take on older women. While one would expect people to learn from their experience and mistakes, as women go, that does seem to be rather in a short supply. Most of them seem to attribute mistakes to anyone but themselves. A closet full of skeletons. Not worth it.

    I would even go as far as warn about young women that display a degree of nuttiness. While the more adjusted ones may not be as exciting on a cursory level, in time you’d appreciate not having to deal with the mental storms that usually get only worse as time goes by.

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  150. lived in NY and have seen lots of celebs. the 30 somethings you think are hot are fugly in person.

    the all time hottest woman I have seen in my life was Ivanka Trump at age 15. like most girls she brick walled and I would not touch her at 29.

    jennifer garner is fugly in her mid thrities and ben affleck clearly is banging her as a career move.

    women are screeching hags over 35.. they look like someone took a shit on their head. feminine beauty is youthful… women age terribly… women should settle and marry before 25.

    the decline in feminine charm is just as sharp… they lose the goofy feminine childishness (read lolita).. that makes them very appealing. bitchy cold, jaded and masculine past 23 if they are still in the single sewer.

    the big problem with dating women over 30 is the biological clock makes it a race to get the house(mortgage) and crank out the kids. you don’t need the stress.

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  151. @Flip

    ” ‘All the fat people have made the few non-fat women seem like nuggets of gold.’

    That is so true. I see women walking around Chicago and even young ones are obese these days. I don’t really understand why unless it is all the high fructose corn syrup in the food.”

    and the white flour – and Feminism telling her that men should lover her “for who she is.”

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  152. on August 29, 2010 at 5:49 pm Obsidian's Entrails

    “women are screeching hags over 35.. they look like someone took a shit on their head. feminine beauty is youthful… women age terribly… women should settle and marry before 25.”

    Too true.

    Sure, a few women don’t hit the wall until 40 (with the help of plastic surgery), but these type of women are rare. Most women really start to take a dive at 35, with it getting worse by the year.

    “the decline in feminine charm is just as sharp… they lose the goofy feminine childishness (read lolita).. that makes them very appealing. bitchy cold, jaded and masculine past 23 if they are still in the single sewer”

    True.

    By 30 most (all) women lose their feminine charm, so if they are not mothers & married by that age, then god help them. Nothing is more annoying than talking to an jaded single woman over 30.

    “the big problem with dating women over 30 is the biological clock makes it a race to get the house(mortgage) and crank out the kids. you don’t need the stress.”

    They also paradoxically get pickier. Now they want a guy with a good job and a history of being faithful despite the fact that they spent their 20’s riding every devil-may-care cock they could find. No thanks.

    Most of of these 30-something bitches, like Anouk, will wind up childless and alone with an apartment full of cats.

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  153. Jeffrey, the feminism telling women men should love them for themselves is only a recent development, as far as fat acceptance. I make a point of reminding my fellow fatties and formers that just a few years ago, they were working feverishly to convince the western world that fat or even normal sized women were unworthy of love, unprofessional, sick, sexual abuse victims, or whatever was the trendy way of saying “defective”.

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  154. Morsellaux, warning men against the young crackpots may be pointless. Beauty covers a multitude of sins, and most hide their crazy until after the guy is already invested.

    Some kinds of crazy and many kinds of bitchy are even accepted as normal. Aware as I liked to think that I was, even I had to check myself recently. There are many times when the non crazy reaction would have been to cry, but since gender is seen as a social construct now, I thought the crying when you got your heart broken would be crazy.

    Things are kinda backwards now. How is a guy supposed to tell crazy from feminine? Even if he has some idea of what is what in the extreme edges, how is he to know where the border is between them?

    I found that the best protection I had from doggish men was to not hide my femininity. Femininity scares them away because they’re looking for someone “liberated”. Maybe the best protection from crazy or bitchy women is to not hide their masculinity. You become a bad target.

    Predators go for the weak and the sick, not the real challenge.

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  155. I’m kind of surprised you’ve never written about that show “she’s got the look”

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  156. I plan on going under the knife early next year.

    Now if I could only do something about the balding.

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