Porker Potential

If you insist on ignoring the plain facts of day and all the advice I give here, and act against your self-interest by getting married, you should at least take care to avoid investing in any product that carries a high risk of MASSIVELY depreciating after the first bite of wedding cake. You don’t want to be left holding a penny stock wife who has ballooned up and lost all her initial value. You’ll want to screen for Porker Potential.

There are a few red flags you should learn to spot before blowing your wad on that whore status symbol engagement ring. Commenter Married But Cool noted in the comments to this post the following risk factors:

I’m quite sure we could somehow develop a scientific method to quantify this objectively, taking such factors into account as:

* age
* height
* pounds currently overweight
* current weight of mother
* weight history
* build characteristics

Usually, men can intuitively see this coming.  Its offensive to me when I see this happen.  Its the same as a guy being industrious when he is dating, and becoming and unemployed couch potato after marriage.

Age is certainly important. Older women have slower metabolisms, and if they hadn’t adopted good exercise and eating habits in their youth then they certainly won’t develop those habits later in life.

Obviously, her current BMI is a dead giveaway. Marrying a fat girl with a pretty face (you guesstimate) in the hopes that you can motivate her to lose weight with your persuasive charms and loving encouragement is a recipe for disappointment. Nothing short of electroshock therapy or breaking up with you to hunt for new men will cause her to lose the weight. You’re not a woman; you don’t want a “project” on your hands.

If she was thin in the past but got fat while she was with you, and you think this means your love can inspire her to recapture her former slender glory, you can forget it. She got fat because she disrespects you as a man. Any woman who respects her man also respects his sexual needs, and that means keeping a slender hourglass figure. I know some couples who get fat together because subconsciously it gives them a feeling of comfortable security that neither one is attractive to any other human being, and therefore unable to cheat — we call these couples “losers”. The strongest marriages are those where each partner knows the other has options, but the man has slightly more options than the woman.

Probably the BIGGEST factor is whether she was a former fatty. Past porkiness is no guarantee of future fatassery, but it comes damn close. Look at her old childhood, high school, and college photos. Was she a fat kid? You’ve got two weeks, tops, of hot honeymoon sex before the cottage cheese ripples like a flesh tsunami across her ass.

The second biggest factor is the size of her mother. Is this your girlfriend’s future?:

fatwomentryingtogetpantson

Then run for the hills.

Race is another factor. Thin Asian chicks rarely get fat after marriage. Stay away from Mexicans. Starch bombs!

Also screen for an inordinate love of food. Girls who are obsessed with food favor gastronomic satisfaction over sexual satisfaction. You want a girl who likes to cook… for you. On her own time she nibbles asparagus sprigs.

Personality traits are important for screening. Watch for chronically depressed girls. When a girl is depressed, she turns to heavy fatty foods to lift her mood. Don’t think you can substitute for food as her mood-lifter. No man has ever been able to compete with pastries for the heart of a depressed girl. The biofeedback is simply too intense; the fatter she grows, the sadder she feels, and the more she eats to alleviate the pain. If you’re lucky, she’ll turn to drugs instead. Heroin chic beats Lane Bryant lardo any day.

Finally, you’ll want to check for telltale physical signs of the coming fatocalypse. These are found in the plumpness of her earlobes, the depth of hang of her upper arms, a nascent FUPA crease or neck wattle, the number of inches her inner thighs touch when she stands, the protrusion of her outer labia, the pendulousness of her breasts, her ankle and wrist circumference, the pocket of fat that sits above the hips, and any hint of a joey pouch, among others.

Here is a handy chart for predicting the odds your girlfriend will bloat up after she enslaves you and your assets with a marriage contract.

Girlfriend’s Current Status                             Odds of Post-Wedding Bloat

21 years old
Current BMI: 19
No previous fatness
Her mom: MILF
Asian                                                                            0%
Small recipe book with your favorite meals
Upbeat
Cures her depression with sex
Thin wrists, ankles, and arms

36 years old
Current BMI: 25
Former fatty
Her mom: Orca
Mexican                                                                       100%
Library of cookbooks signed by Emeril
Gothically depressed
Cures her depression with fudge
Cankles

oink





Comments


  1. Good analysis. Unfortunately, most American women wouldn’t meet your qualifications, especially DC women. Perhaps the best place to meet women is in a gym. At least you’ll know she cares about staying fit.

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  2. “Finally, you’ll want to check for telltale physical signs of the coming fatocalypse”.

    classic.

    I agree on the Asian chick thing all the way. American girls are fat whores.

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  3. Wow. No girls with fat moms, former fatties, girls who love food, depressed girls, Mexicans, women who aren’t toddlers, women with unfortunate earlobes.

    Have fun finding this girl.

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  4. “Stay away from Mexicans.”

    You might want to change this sweeping generalization to “stay away from lower class Mexicans”. Then it would be at least a little more accurate although still a sweeping generalization.

    Generalizations like this show lack of experience and travel.

    High class Mexicans with Spanish Blood stay fly like a custom 2 button Etro suit.

    Take it from some one who has conquered more fly rich Mexican girls than conquistadors Francisco Coronado and Hernan Cortes combined.

    Still great post, horrible picture.

    – MPM

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  5. As Married but Cool’s cited comment notes, post-marriage porkery is not entirely a chick thing. Lots of formerly trim and athletic men become physically inert and turn elephantine once they get married (and then get their rocks off by squishing next to me on the train, but that’s another issue). It would be interesting to note if there are any warning signs for women to look out for.

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  6. 1. I do love me some high end fatty (within reason, and on the Canadian scale). But they do have a much shorter shelf life, so you do have to take that into account, especially if you are going after a long term relationship, not a fling.
    (I attribute Gwen Stefani’s preternatural hotness into her late thirties at least partially to her skinniness here:
    http://manwhoisthursday.blogspot.com/2007/10/gwen-stefani.html)
    2. I have seen this kind of decline first hand. My mom used to be a hottie, but has gone way downhill badly due to weight issues through the years. Very sad. My sister, a super amazing hottie in her prime, has had to really struggle to stay in shape in her early 30s.
    3. The hottest girl I’ve ever dated was Mexican, but yeah you could tell she was going to get chunky.
    4. Finding a woman who doesn’t like food. Good luck with that.
    5. Guys, for the love of God, stay the hell away from Tennessee.

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  7. Lots of formerly trim and athletic men become physically inert and turn elephantine once they get married (and then get their rocks off by squishing next to me on the train, but that’s another issue).

    This is so true. Beware. If a woman loves to cook but not eat, it will be you packing on the pounds.

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  8. I guess I’m lucky insofar as my wife is 50 with the body of a 20-year old. I only wish I had access to it when it WAS 20 years old.

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  9. Pupu wonders who would make a better marriage candidate, a skinny, depressive, sex maniac or a jolly fatty.

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  10. Hey Roissy,
    Hahaha. Awesome picture! that almost restore balance…but it isnt quite enough to erase a lingering, simple question that sips out from reading a few of your posts:

    You didnt happened to be raped as a child, were you? Or almost raped as a child….Hey, dont get all excited or anything like that, i’m just asking…..

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  11. It think this points up how a woman with a pretty face but potential weight issues needs to make some effort to get married sooner rather than later, preferably in her early twenties. If a woman provides a man with 7 good years, from say 23 to 30, I don’t think he could reasonably ask for much more, especially with children. Once a girl like this hits her late twenties though, quality men _are_ going to take shelf life into account.

    So, ladies, if you are in your twenties and have potential weight issues, find someone now, because your thirties are going to be pretty hard on you.

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  12. Can we ban this guy? It’s not just dissenting opinions, it’s outright trollery. Or is it someone already banned and they’re using a proxy?

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  13. on November 12, 2008 at 1:26 pm Patrick Bateman

    I think you made Lemmonex cry with this one.

    Roissy may be pleased to know that I recently got rid of #1 and I’m now free to do exactly what I was doing before, but with less sneaking around.

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  14. @12. Seeking

    What? You can’t handle Dagny?

    I think it makes rational sense to question the manhood of a bunch of men sitting around, day in, day out, week in, week out, talking about their manhood.
    My guess is that you boys lack strong father figures…because your father should have educated you about what it means to be a man or an alpha by the time you boys are 18yrs.
    Or i am forced to reach the conclusion that
    (1)Either your father or father figure was a little bitch.
    (2) A loser is a loser is a loser which way you cut it.

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  15. Patrick, why would I cry? This is nothing new coming from Roissy. It possibly would have made me cry sometime last year, but I am pretty numb to this repetition.

    I used to be fat. I can’t change that. I am Roissy’s worse nightmare. That’s cool.

    I think, though, that if a former fatty has been thin(er) for a few years, they know the skills to keep off the weight. I have seen gorgeous women who were never fat, women blessed with awesome metabolisms, get pregnant, have a baby, and never take it off. They don’t have any basis for eating right or working out, so once the weight is on, it is on. While I fear having a baby and packing on the pounds, I am positive I can take them off because I have done it before. If you have climbed Everest, a little hill doesn’t seem so scary.

    Plus, I seriously suck awesome dick. When you are fat you have to get people to like you somehow. That helps keep a man’s attention.

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  16. Plus, I seriously suck awesome dick.

    I never woulda guessed …

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  17. Don’t get involved with a fat chick or any chick that has the potential to get fat simply because she is plagued by underlying problems in her psyche, such as Daddy not loving her enough or sticking his fingers up her manky snatch, or getting cut from cheerleading or possibly having fucked anyone with a 2.0 grade point average and above.

    Besides being fat, she will be fucked up, too much extra baggage, all located in her fat arse that will resemble two raccoons fighting in a nylon sack.

    If for any reason you are attracted to women with dysfunctional problems – I have a friend who likes to date fucked up women and beat their self worth even lower – find a coke fiend or something (avoid meth heads though, working class, poor, bad teeth) and have her do rails off your stiff cock while you admire her svelt body.

    Fat chicks – and those with pork potential – are really one lick of a flabby snatch away from lesbianism, look at lesbians, they are all fucking disgusting, so just give them a gentle push onto the express train to carpet eating nirvana.

    Oh, and I am from Toronto, when I say fat, I mean our version of fat, not the swamp donkeys south of the border that have to buy an aisle and centre seat together when they fly.

    PS. Fat girls are bad for the bloody environment, and until we can find some universally accepted methodology of having them carbon offset for their existence, we should not give them any indication that they deserve sex or even the second glance from a man.

    They need to take longer showers because they use more water and it takes longer to wash (Think of how long it takes to wash a bus vs a sub-compact) and they use more chemicals in their usage of soap, which contain harmful elements to the environment.

    Also, think about it, they eat more than their fair share of the Earth’s resources, it costs the globe twice as much to feed some cow of a woman than it does someone who takes care of themselves.

    And let’s not even begin to discuss how many flushes it takes to get rid of any turd that they have digested from one of their massive meals…two three flushes instead of one?

    And then gas, methane. They fart more. Global warming.

    Al Gore dropped the ball in his movie, didn’t mention fatties at all.

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  18. 5 Peter

    Lots of formerly trim and athletic men become physically inert and turn elephantine once they get married (and then get their rocks off by squishing next to me on the train, but that’s another issue). It would be interesting to note if there are any warning signs for women to look out for.

    If the man is smart and serious about their health, avoiding junk food and getting sufficient exercise, that’s at least a good sign, though it’s no guarantee.

    Of course, such people tend to be greater betas rather than alphas…

    9 Pupu

    Pupu wonders who would make a better marriage candidate, a skinny, depressive, sex maniac or a jolly fatty.

    I had this choice, and I correctly answered “none of the above.”

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  19. Don’t get involved with a fat chick or any chick that has the potential to get fat simply because she is plagued by underlying problems in her psyche

    Or has a slow metabolism in a society where eating ridiculous amounts of high calorie food is the cultural default. Occam’s razor.

    look at lesbians, they are all fucking disgusting

    The arrow of causation is pointing the other way. Lesbians are fat because other women don’t place much as much importance on looks in a partner. Ergo lesbians have less incentive to stay thin.

    I don’t mind the occasional hate filled rant if it has some intelligence behind it. This is just dumb.

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  20. carpet eating nirvana

    A tragically obsolete expression :(((

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  21. In my experience, lesbians tend to either be sporty types in fantastic shape or fat English teachers.

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  22. @ 15

    lemon, you all say that. i don’t think i’ve ever hooked up with a girl who didn’t claim to be the ‘world dick-sucking champion’ in waiting.

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  23. One screening option to consider – someone who likes to be outside. You may sacrifice a small bit of femininity – no long acrylics on those fingertips – but a chick who likes sports or enjoys hiking, etc will be more likely to continue that behavior and perhaps less likely to eat massive amounts of crap.

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  24. on November 12, 2008 at 2:09 pm Stating the Obvious

    “Perhaps the best place to meet women is in a gym.”

    Unless they’re completely ripped, the gym is not necessarily a great indicator of her desire to keep up her physical well-being in the long term. A goodly percentage of women there are newly single and looking to shave off enough relationship weight to snag another guy before they yo-yo back again. Out of all the women in my gym, there are maybe 6 to 10 that I’ve seen who have come consistently the last six months.

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  25. Lots of formerly trim and athletic men become physically inert and turn elephantine once they get married (and then get their rocks off by squishing next to me on the train, but that’s another issue). It would be interesting to note if there are any warning signs for women to look out for.

    If the man is smart and serious about their health, avoiding junk food and getting sufficient exercise, that’s at least a good sign, though it’s no guarantee.

    I’ll hazard a guess and say that men who had been very athletic from childhood until college are at higher risk of porking up after marriage. Years and years of participating in sports, especially if their fathers had pushed them into sports against their will, may lead to a situation in which they lose interest in all forms of participatory sports and fitness and want to be lazy for a change. Men who had played sports for which there are few or no opportunities for adults to participate – football is the classic example – may be at extra risk, as are men who have lingering aches and pains from sports injuries (bad knees, for example) that make it harder to keep fit.

    Apropos of the last point, I believe that part of the reason why I can be so physically active at age 40+ is the fact that I was a complete lazy blob of a couch potato until five years ago. My body has no wear and tear from old sports injuries that might slow me down today.

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  26. Al Gore dissing fatties? No self-loathing there.

    I actually knew a very overweight Japanese girl. She was the only one I met in five years. Food prices probably have something to do with it, but ethnicity does as well.

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  27. @ 15

    lemon, you all say that. i don’t think i’ve ever hooked up with a girl who didn’t claim to be the ‘world dick-sucking champion’ in waiting.

    I had a homeboy in college that used to like hooking up with fatties and virgins because their head game was supposedly so tight.

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  28. I think you made Lemmonex cry with this one.

    it is possible to venture an abstract theory without personal animus.
    and it is possible to read an abstract theory without taking its conclusions personally.

    I used to be fat. I can’t change that. I am Roissy’s worse nightmare.

    no, you’re all right in my book.
    my worst nightmare isn’t formerly fat girls who are now thin (i heartily approve of them, actually).
    my worst nightmare is…

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  29. and it is possible to read an abstract theory without taking its conclusions personally.

    This is very, very hard for most women to do.

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  30. This gets back to what I was saying about Toronto. You have a safe environment, where people walk around all day, particularly in the Cold, and you have far less fat people.

    That being said, both men and women gain weight as they age. This is inescapable, though it can be delayed. No one should expect either sex to stay 20 years old forever.

    And on the other end of the scale there’s Madonna, or Posh Spice, or Alec Baldwin. All who looked better younger and became either gristly, or super-thin, or porked up themselves. Which happens to men as well as women.

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  31. Dagny, Ive noticed all your comments follow a similar kind of structure. Is there some meter or syllable count I’m missing?

    Also, @24, I go to the gym at least twice a week and outside of the occasional hot girl, I’ve noticed that most of them aren’t in that great of shape – usually not fat, but often a dumpy ass or just general pudge. It is a college gym, so that might have something to do with it, but I attribute it more to what I might call the “marathon theory”. That is, you never see smokin hot 9s running a marathon – its always some 5 or 6 who just wants attention for how ‘disciplined’ shes being with her training/eating regimen for the time leading up to it, and to show people/guys that she “cares about exercise and fitness” – meanwhile she will just go back to putting ranch dressing on everything afterward and eating like shit. Marathons are terrible for you and I have zero interest in running one. I also there are very very few girls who are regulars.

    Anyway, this is the type of mindset that I think is common in gyms – the whole dieting, eating disorder, fucked up mentality about health and fitness thing.

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  32. Eh, girls at the gym?
    Some of them are the ‘health obsessed’. My regimen of drinking and the occassional smoke is frightful to them. Now, as a pick-up thing, you can easily ignore their revulsion and pile it on. But if we’re talking about the whole Long-Term Context, it’s just friction. That and I don’t want to have to accomodate her vegetarian tendancies.
    There’s also the dangerous subtype of the Sporty chick. She wants to watch the ‘Skins game. I find this revoltingly unfeminine. These two types plus the Rebounding Fatty mean the gym is just as full of hazards as anywhere else.

    I would also add to the list: the woman’s perception of the weight you place on physical beauty, especially in relation to her. If she thinks you ‘love her for her personality’ mostly, then she won’t see staying thin as important. In other words, she will meet the expectations you set for her. Corollary to this is how much of her non-beauty that you value is ‘feminine’. If she thinks you love her because she is smart, instead of her caring attitude, one is a mentality of ‘my body doesn’t matter’, and the other is a mentality of selflessness and conformity to expectation.

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  33. haha… nothing like ragging on fat bitches

    poor fatties

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  34. @13 Bateman:

    I give your comments respect b/c they seem fairly honest.

    Sorry about your relationship, but I’m not too surprised. It was pretty obvious that you were going to end it eventually. You’re too young. Just sleep around and be honest about it for now. Pick a #1 when you’re 31 – 35 (for what you describe, get a 24-26 year old) if you’re going to run that kind of game. At your age, I’d probably think there was some chance of changing you if I made a commitment. Whoever you’re with (read marry) in your early thirties, will know from the the start that there’s no hope of fidelity, and be willing to take the house/kids/monetary security in exchange for affairs and yoga classes.

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  35. Any woman who respects her man also respects his sexual needs, and that means keeping a slender hourglass figure

    Slender yes but hourglass figures not so much. Hourglass figures are very hard to come by in this country. I see more hourglass figures in a rap music video than I do in a week.

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  36. walking the streets.

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  37. Re the Lesbian thing: ya gotta be kidding me,Thursady. Lesbians are fat walruses—and j’ever notice how they all seem to do that arms akimbo weighlifter walk,,,YECH!!!!!!–because other “gals” dont care about looks?? What about all those female basketball coaches standing at the edge of the shower handing out towels with drool dripping from their mouths??? Theyre fat because theyre mannish and thick ! It has to be a biological thing;something about those male hormones,that turn on the gash-guzzling receptors in her brain,that makes them squat and lardy as Fridge Perry.

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  38. @Thursday

    Gwen was fat as a child. She has talked about it a few times in interviews and says it’s the reason she is so hard on herself when it comes to her weight.

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  39. guess I’m lucky insofar as my wife is 50 😯 with the body of a 20-year old. I only wish I had access to it when it WAS 20 years old

    sestamibi, I thought you were a baby like me.

    @JoshRandall
    lipstick lesbians are very easy on the eye.

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  40. @ Rick.
    I dont know…but people who congregrate here are most likely missing something….and it is not syllable count(they will just need to learn how to count, that’s all)….it is more like missing balls.

    I mean, seriously, all of you bitches, think about this for a minute: Your father, yes, the person who is your father. Is he an alpha? Can you honestly claim he is an alpha? Giving my readings of people’s comment here, my guess is “No”.
    And look at your mothers, all your mothers….let face it, she is probably physically unattractive. And yet your little bitch of a father married her!

    You can say it….say it…..”My father is loser punk ass bitch”. Repeat it again, “My father is a loser punk ass bitch”. Let’s face it, your mother is probably disgusting to even look at.

    Bottomline: You guys suffer from weak father-figure, who never trained and teach you the meaning of being a man or alpha. The only people i know in the world that goes on and on and on and on like old gossiping women about what it means to be a man or alpha, are boys trying to grow into men. Not MEN.
    That is why i think that you people, your fathers must be losers(who else will fuck a piece of shit like your mom?) or, you guys are just natural born double losers, period.

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  41. haha a Fridge Perry reference!

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  42. … what I might call the “marathon theory”. That is, you never see smokin hot 9s running a marathon – its always some 5 or 6 who just wants attention for how ‘disciplined’ shes being with her training/eating regimen for the time leading up to it, and to show people/guys that she “cares about exercise and fitness” – meanwhile she will just go back to putting ranch dressing on everything afterward and eating like shit. Marathons are terrible for you and I have zero interest in running one.

    I’ll have to disagree on this one. Over the years I’ve known a number of people who’ve run in marathons, and without exception they’ve been concerned about diet and fitness even when they have no plans on running again. Yes, I will admit that the number of runners I’ve known isn’t huge, and that they may not be representative of all runners, but I’m at least reasonably confident that the general rule what I’ve noted. Running a marathon is simply too demanding to attract people with only a transitory interest in fitness. One has to be very dedicated, and that sort of dedication tends to stick around.

    As for the lack of hotties seen in marathons, that might be attributable to the very low bodyfat percentages found in runners. Women tend to look better with a few curves, and marathoners generally don’t have any to speak of.

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  43. Chic, I was just going to mention that – Gwen has said she has to run every day *without fail* in order to keep her figure.

    Also, when it comes to men – I’m sorry, but I think women use “men are fat too” as an excuse. For the most part, as long as men don’t look like they are carrying a second term pregnancy, a little extra weight is ok as long as you have the height to carry it. Especially if you date guys that had a lot of muscle at some point (college athletes), they tend to stay in “bulked up” mode.

    Being “round” is not attractive whatever sex you are.

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  44. Also, when it comes to men – I’m sorry, but I think women use “men are fat too” as an excuse. For the most part, as long as men don’t look like they are carrying a second term pregnancy, a little extra weight is ok as long as you have the height to carry it. Especially if you date guys that had a lot of muscle at some point (college athletes), they tend to stay in “bulked up” mode.

    Men who gain weight tend to add it in the abdominal area, where it’s highly visible and not easily concealed by clothing. What’s more, abdominal fat is the most dangerous kind of fat in health terms.

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  45. on November 12, 2008 at 4:23 pm Stating the Obvious

    @42 and @31

    I’d probably call it the 5k/10k theory. If you’re actually running a marathon (and not one of the those types that is always training for a marathon but never seems to run it), then they are usually in decent. However, most fatties never make it that far and are usually training for their “First 5k/10k” run that usually never seems to happen. It’s the pefect thing to say when women want to look like they’re serious about the gym but also don’t want to commit to changing their diet or lifestyle in any serious way.

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  46. Peter, I should have added that Im referring to those who arent serious marathon runners – like people who run them on the regular and finish in a good time, etc. I’m talking more about everyone else. Id say that often the super skinny ones run them for the same wrong reasons the frumpy ones do.

    45, I agree with your take – they dont want to change their diet or lifestyle, but want to make it seem like they are. But I guess Im just speaking from my personal encounters – marathons are definitely tough, but a lot of regular joes – joe the plumbers if you will – run them as some sort of ego boosting challenge.

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  47. Lemmonex saidPlus, I seriously suck awesome dick

    😯

    I can’t believe you made that comment.

    So what you were fat, you are not the only woman to ever have had a weight problem. Don’t allow men to use your former weight issue as a way to control or use and abuse you. Men have tastes or preferences but not all men are as douchy as some of the men here. Furthermore, what happens when your man runs across a 10 who has the skills of Superhead?

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  48. Oh Chic. Calm yourself. I was kidding and ribbing on common stereotypes of former fatties…one that T quickly confirmed.

    I don’t think I said anything about control or abuse. Project much?

    “Former weight issue”? I would venture to say most women have some sort of weight issue that never goes away. Fat, used to be fat, obsessed with working out, anorexic, bulimic, obsessing over food, only ordering salads on dates, skipping dinner to drink more beer….etc. We are all on a continuum and it never goes away. Some of us are just better at handling it.

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  49. @44 Peter – I think we are saying the same thing? Some dudes are just very large, but do not have a gut hanging out front. I am ALL for those dudes staying just as they are…I happen to work with an ex NFL player and he is a big man, but no gut. The suits have a tendency to make him look even bigger than he really is, too.

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  50. Peter saidMen who gain weight tend to add it in the abdominal area, where it’s highly visible and not easily concealed by clothing. What’s more, abdominal fat is the most dangerous kind of fat in health terms

    Cosign Peter. The oversized guts that American men have are truly disturbing.

    QT said Chic, I was just going to mention that – Gwen has said she has to run every day *without fail* in order to keep her figure

    Sometimes I think Gwen was/is borderline bulimic.

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  51. Oh Chic. Calm yourself. I was kidding and ribbing on common stereotypes of former fatties
    thank God
    …one that T quickly confirmed
    I was waiting for some guy to bring that up.

    I don’t think I said anything about control or abuse. Project much

    Not at all. I hate to see another woman mistreated at the hands of a man. You and I have seen or have been told stories of unattractive women allowing men to use and abuse then because they suffer from low self-esteem

    “Former weight issue”? I would venture to say most women have some sort of weight issue that never goes away. Fat, used to be fat, obsessed with working out, anorexic, bulimic, obsessing over food, only ordering salads on dates, skipping dinner to drink more beer….etc. We are all on a continuum and it never goes away. Some of us are just better at handling it

    Some women work to maintain their weight via the “French Women Don’t Get Fat Way”. I don’t consider that disordered eating.

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  52. I love it, these two bitches are fighting about whose fellatio is superior. I can only imagine Roissy’s demonic grin. But back to the subject at hand: my opinion is that the only factors that matter are: (i) what her mom looks like and (ii) her relationship with food and fitness. (i) is obviously out of her control. As for (ii), in other words, her tendency to binge on sugar one night is not a problem if it is counterbalanced by an intense guilt that sends her running to the gym for a week of extra cardio afterwards. However, get a girl that USED to work out, then gets married and stops working out, and you’ve got yourself a real problem. Especially if the binges keep happening. I remember a girl I went to school with who I recently saw again, two or three years later: in college she was a solid 9: eastern european, worked out like a fiend; thick juicy ass and a gorgeous face. Tall, too. Fast forward two and a half years after graduation marked by long term boyfriend, corporate job: face pudge, arm-fat, ass – huge. This girl was still a 7-7.5, but the decline was…ghastly. I’ll never forget it, because she KNEW it, everyone knew it. And I’ll never be forgiving about a woman’s weight again.

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  53. 48 Lemmy:

    Oh Chic. Calm yourself. I was kidding and ribbing on common stereotypes of former fatties…one that T quickly confirmed.

    I don’t think I said anything about control or abuse. Project much?

    Meow meow meow meow
    Meow meow meow meow
    Meow meow meow meow MEOW meow meow meow

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  54. Why is it a cat fight to disagree with Chic? We aren’t fighting. If anything y’all pile on David Alexander, Peter, etc like a bunch of little bitches.

    Chic and I are cool–just not seeing eye to eye. This once again proves my theory that men crave drama just as much as women.

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  55. 52 Howard Roark:

    I love it, these two bitches are fighting about whose fellatio is superior.

    I wish. Unfortunately it seems that Chic will never learn the proper way to eat a tube-steak.

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  56. This once again proves my theory that men crave drama just as much as women.

    I’m learning this more and more all the time.

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  57. MPM @4 is right. The physical differences between poor and rich Mexicans can be vast. In fact, this is generally true for the whole of Latin America, were a person’s societal class can be imputed by the extent or lack of Caucasoid features. However, since your post is geared towards Americans who will be almost exclusively exposed to poor Mexicans your assumption is fair.

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  58. If you’re lucky, she’ll turn to drugs instead. Heroin chic beats Lane Bryant lardo any day.

    I’m trying so hard not to burst out laughing in the library right now!

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  59. I love it, these two bitches are fighting about whose fellatio is superior.

    You need to reread the exchange if that’s what you got out of it. Chic has gone on record as being vocally anti-fellatio.

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  60. 54 Lemmy:

    Why is it a cat fight to disagree with Chic? We aren’t fighting.

    Damn.

    This once again proves my theory that men crave drama just as much as women.

    Yeah, I saw quite a few chicks at the last naked mud wrestling event I attended.

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  61. Catfights suck. Chic and Lemmonex need to settle their differences in the only civilized way — a booty battle.

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  62. 61 agnostic:

    Catfights suck. Chic and Lemmonex need to settle their differences in the only civilized way — a booty battle.

    Gluteus Max: Behind Thunderdome

    Two booties enter, one booty leaves.

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  63. @60 Chopra.

    The closest you ever came to a fucking anything.

    LOL!

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  64. 4 G Manifesto:

    High class Mexicans with Spanish Blood stay fly like a custom 2 button Etro suit.

    Seconded wholeheartedly.

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  65. Lemmonex said :Chic and I are cool–just not seeing eye to eye. This once again proves my theory that men crave drama just as much as women.

    Exactly:)

    You have no idea how many times I heard men say they wanted to see Hillary debate Sara Pallin. The issues aren’t what they wanted to see debated. Men wanted to see Hillary rip Pallin a new asshole.

    Why is it a cat fight to disagree with Chic? We aren’t fighting. If anything y’all pile on David Alexander, Peter, etc like a bunch of little bitches
    Isn’t that the truth. Anytime Peter mentions the fact that American men are lacking too, they come out in full force to shut him down.

    Lemmonex, I think most men don’t know how to disagree without becoming upset that they haven’t forced their will or way of thinking onto someone else.

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  66. Chic:

    Slender yes but hourglass figures not so much. Hourglass figures are very hard to come by in this country.

    Sadly for women, an hourglass figure is just as much a result of bone structure as it is weight.

    lipstick lesbians are very easy on the eye.

    Lipstick lesbians are mostly a myth. They are usually straight chicks trying to be “hip” and they grow out of it.

    True lesbos are that way because of their hormonal makeup and/or they are ugly as hell.

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  67. lemmonex saidThis once again proves my theory that men crave drama just as much as women

    T saidI’m learning this more and more all the time

    I’ve worked with guys who start he said-she said AMONG WOMEN and men. Where I come from that type of shit will have you diappering, only to be seen on the side of a milk carton ever again. I’ve never understood why some people feel the need to repeat everything they hear. So what she said “tracey” is a bitch? If she didn’t threaten Tracey’s life, there is no need to mention it.
    Tupac saidI wish. Unfortunately it seems that Chic will never learn the proper way to eat a tube-steak
    That’s right. The only way I can envision myself trying it is with my husband and I don’t plan on getting married or having children of my own.

    There are plenty of women who enjoy doing it so better them than me. I personally think they are putting the real prostitutes out of business but so be it.

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  68. Agnostic, my fine Asian husband. I will find you yet in a smoky DC nightclub.

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  69. Men wanted to see Hillary rip Pallin a new asshole.

    or vice versa.

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  70. roissy you are smarter than that.

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  71. Do you really think Pallin could win?

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  72. Rick we are I2I.

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  73. You have no idea how many times I heard men say they wanted to see Hillary debate Sara Pallin. The issues aren’t what they wanted to see debated. Men wanted to see Hillary rip Pallin a new asshole.

    Oh, that’s simple. Men can’t go harsh on a woman on TV or they’d be seen as assholes, but Hillary Clinton can tear apart women as much as she wants to. Women in politics is an utter disaster: they can keep saying stupid shit forever because men don’t want to go after them.

    Lemmonex, I think most men don’t know how to disagree without becoming upset that they haven’t forced their will or way of thinking onto someone else.

    Yes, because most of the time women will AGREE that you’ve WON the argument and STILL insist that they can just ignore objective male logic because reality offends their mushy female feelings. Argh. Curse the entire species!

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  74. but you love us just the same jaakkeli 🙂

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  75. Anytime a fattie is talking, to me or in my vicinity, I just want to blurt out, “But you’re fat!”

    21 Thursday,
    Lesbians are fat. Overwhelmingly. http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21635542-5012769,00.html

    25 Peter,
    When athletes get off the team, they still eat the same high-calorie diet. They can’t help but get fat.

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  76. If everything on a girl looks good, give extra attention to the upper arms. Sometimes that area is flabby and looks like a deflated tricep. That area is a very early indicator of weight potential.

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  77. Past porkiness is no guarantee of future fatassery, but it comes damn close.

    If she lost massive amounts of weight, ask if she had gastric bypass surgery. If she had the surgery, and she has solid eating habits, the weight will never come back. If it’s liposuction, then one should be concerned.

    If you’re lucky, she’ll turn to drugs instead. Heroin chic beats Lane Bryant lardo any day.

    I’d rather have Lane Bryant models than Heroin chic. Pale skin, exposed bones, and deflated tits are not feminine.

    Besides, if she’s too fat, I can make her into a new friend! 🙂

    no long acrylics on those fingertips

    No deal. I need her fingertips to be crowned with caustic compounds. 🙂

    Race is another factor. Thin Asian chicks rarely get fat after marriage. Stay away from Mexicans. Starch bombs!

    It’s interesting to note how Roissy uses Asians and Mexicans as references, but somehow stays away from black people. I’ll let the commenters speculate…

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  78. on November 12, 2008 at 7:35 pm ironrailsironweights

    Anytime Peter mentions the fact that American men are lacking too, they come out in full force to shut him down.

    For sure. Most of the men on this blog and elsewhere seem to think that a fat hog with a 45-inch waistline, who can’t see his own d**k without help of a mirror, nonetheless has the right to nail 9’s and 10’s. Reality check: it doesn’t work that way.

    If everything on a girl looks good, give extra attention to the upper arms. Sometimes that area is flabby and looks like a deflated tricep.

    It’s known as a “pork chop.”

    Peter

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  79. I have a good friend who LOVES super-obese fatties. I was in a market once and had no idea of his propensity for punishment. He was walking along and said hi. He introduced his 545 lb wife whose face was caked with the cream filling of HoHo’s and hands were sticky from stuffing her pie hole with, well pie.

    I was very shocked by all this to say the least. I never questioned it but when he divorced her I though maybe it was she had grown to gargantuan size. The next thing I know he was dating another behemoth. I guess he likes them big.

    Me, on the other hand, give me petite any day. Some people would disagree with you Roissy, but I get it. My dad would always tell us boys if you want to date a girl, before it becomes serious, check out moms size. He was onto something.

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  80. It’s interesting to note how Roissy uses Asians and Mexicans as references, but somehow stays away from black people. I’ll let the commenters speculate…

    i think it’s only interesting in your head.
    the black girls i know who don’t live in the hood aren’t prone to getting tremendously fat like the lower class mexican and el salvadoran immigrants i see around me. ghetto chicks are a different matter, and if the stats are correct then obesity is a real problem for aging black women. but my impression is that the latino immigrant women pack it on worse.
    nonetheless, if you want a wifey who’ll stay thin longer, then a good rule of thumb is to avoid lower class women of any race.

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  81. chiclet:
    Anytime Peter mentions the fact that American men are lacking too, they come out in full force to shut him down.

    nah, peter just likes to play the white knighting contrarian. he knows full well that extra weight on a man is not as deleterious to his mating prospects as extra weight would be on a woman.
    this is not to say that men shouldn’t strive to look their best. they do suffer a market value hit the fatter they get, even if it’s not as bad as what women suffer.

    peter:
    Most of the men on this blog and elsewhere seem to think that a fat hog with a 45-inch waistline, who can’t see his own d**k without help of a mirror, nonetheless has the right to nail 9’s and 10’s.

    maybe not a 9 or 10, but a fat man with game can score attractive chicks whereas a fat woman can score… pump and dumps from desperate losers.

    junkyfungus:
    I have a good friend who LOVES super-obese fatties.

    anthropologists have noted rare sightings of the elusive “fatty fucker” in human society. this creature does exist, but in such tiny numbers that his ability to service the millions of fat cows begging for love is severely restricted by the biological necessity of a penile refractory period. i understand that NAAFA mixers run on the order of 30 fat fucks for every one deviant fatty fucker. he’s got the pick of the blubber!

    and suffice to say, the fatty fuckers leave something to be desired as specimens of malehood.

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  82. DAIt’s interesting to note how Roissy uses Asians and Mexicans as references, but somehow stays away from black people. I’ll let the commenters speculate

    DA I don’t know what to say. I swear you must really hate your mother;(

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  83. @65 “Lemmonex, I think most men don’t know how to disagree without becoming upset that they haven’t forced their will or way of thinking onto someone else.”

    True. A lot of men turn disagreement into some sort of status war that they must, rather than a search for truth.

    @73 “Yes, because most of the time women will AGREE that you’ve WON the argument and STILL insist that they can just ignore objective male logic because reality offends their mushy female feelings.”

    Partially true. Women will also often try to split the baby, to give some you’re half right, she’s half right, just to assuage everybody’s feelings. Again, women see a disagreement as a status war, rather than a search for truth; they just don’t want there to be any losers in the status war.

    So how do you handle disagreement? Toss out the status war and turn any disagreement into a bet on future events. The loser of the bet has to change their mind.

    First, both parties have to state what fact pattern or evidence would make them admit that they were wrong. Then, they would have to agree on a forward looking test. Based on the test, someone then has to admit error.

    For example, I had a discussion with a Republican friend who thought Obama was awful and a disaster for the country. I thought Obama didn’t seem so bad.

    So we established a bet concerning Obama based on the Fairness Doctrine. The Fairness Doctrine is awful policy, and Obama knows it. Obama is on record as being against it. If Obama stands up to the Congressional Democrats and stops them from instituting the Fairness Doctrine, my friend will change his mind to believe Obama ain’t so bad. If Obama caves on the Fairness Doctrine, or, worse yet, comes out for it, I’ll register as a Republican on that very day.

    Done.

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  84. Keith

    What is the Fairness Doctrine ?

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  85. Chic:

    What is the Fairness Doctrine ?

    You’re already at a computer, why not just google it?

    DA:

    It’s interesting to note how Roissy uses Asians and Mexicans as references, but somehow stays away from black people. I’ll let the commenters speculate…

    I don’t get you DA, you seem to dislike race realists and antiblack comments, yet you seem to go out of your way at times to invite racist comments from commenters. I’m becoming convinced this is a form of performance art from you. Not that I mind, it’s entertaining, just inconsistent and confusing at times.

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  86. T, I could/can/have googled it but I would also like to hear Keith’s interpretation. Sometimes it nice to hear/read what a man has to say. Is that to much to ask?

    DA, really likes to bring on negative comments for blk women. Sometimes I have empathy for DA and other times I just want to push him down a flight of stairs.

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  87. Palin would have wiped the floor with Hillary. She’s a local pol who rose on her own with two simple but effective goals: anti-corruption and pushing tax rebates and spending decisions to the people. Hillary is a Wellesly pseudo-aristo, with a grating presence and obnoxious, queen bee attitude. Only really gay men or uber-feminized beta guys like Hillary. Guys LOVE Sarah Palin. She shoots! She’s like Lara Croft come to life. Hillary is a cackling cankles witch-figure.

    Re: Women’s weight. Personally I find the athletic build, not the ultra-slim one, just as sexy. The hotness of say Maria Sharapova in my mind far outstrips that of say, Kristen Bell or Rachel Bilson (both quite slender). My own sense is not to overthink this — you and your spouse WILL get fat and old. As long as you both are committed to a healthy life, particularly running, or biking together, no problem. Workout together then have sex. Problem solved!

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  88. Good to see Chic not use the horrid avatar for the time being, and Whiskey writing something that is not gloomy.

    Palin is someone to be reckoned with, Hillary is a nobody. The liberals’ berserker-like deranged reaction to Palin speaks volumes.

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  89. Speaking of Palin (sort of), here is the “dream-team” dudes’ night out: a round of beers with Todd Palin and Joe the Plumber.

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  90. Childbirth does much more damage to her body than the wedding cake. Keep that in mind when you assess her now and future, ahem, tightness.

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  91. Childlessness actually ages a woman faster, and makes her more prone to breast cancer. If a girl has good eating habits and exercises after childbirth, she won’t pork out.

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  92. on November 12, 2008 at 9:54 pm ironrailsironweights

    peter just likes to play the white knighting contrarian. he knows full well that extra weight on a man is not as deleterious to his mating prospects as extra weight would be on a woman

    I’m being realistic, not some sort of white knight contrarian. Extra avoirdupois on a man might not be quite as big a mating obstacle as it is on a woman, that’s pretty obvious given that appearance is a bigger factor for women, but that is FAR from saying that it isn’t important. Most people here seem to think it doesn’t matter.

    maybe not a 9 or 10, but a fat man with game can score attractive chicks

    A man who’s somewhat chunky, maybe, but not one who’s outright fat. A fat man/hot woman couple is evidence of nothing, if they’re over age 30 or 35, as it’s likely that the man was thinner when they got together and porked up later.

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  93. Fat men are a sorry sight and few can score women unless they are powerful or have natural alphatude like the fictional Tony Soprano. Most just look like a pink hog ready to be buttered. I know, I see them in my friggin gym shower all too much (though I give them credit for going to the gym.)

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  94. PA
    Good to see Chic not use the horrid avatar for the time being, and Whiskey writing something that is not gloomy

    I’ve figured out why the horrible pic keeps posting here.
    Todd Palin is a very shy guy. I’ve seen him in an interview and he strikes me as the type who would cry while while watching a sad movie. In a way he sort of reminds me of David Beckham. I think Pallin is the stronger one(mentally) of the two.

    11minutesahem, tightness
    There are these little exercises I do every day for about 15 minutes everyday while on the subway.

    @Peter- I find it funny that most of the PUA men telling other guys that looks don’t matter are for the most part decent looking or better. I was really expecting Roissy to be a real beast.
    The super douch PUA guy who lives in NYC is very very good looking. He was on an episode of the Tyra Bank’s show. I could just feel the testosterone dripping off him through my TV. He made the guys sitting behind and around him seem like boys in comparison.

    @Whiskey- Will you explain why most men hate Brad Pitt,George Clooney, and Leonardo D

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  95. Lemmonex: I don’t think we’ve yet met.

    *shaking hands*

    This environment attracts a unique breed of femmes (I’m a chica myself) and I like the female perspective on the no-holds-barred male psychopathy that goes on here.

    Chic:
    Your man won’t necesarily end up with a whore if you don’t fellate him, he might end up with a gay man who won’t demand reciprocation. My sister got dumped by a stunning Prince William lookalike and recently (independently) mentioned that she doesn’t like to give head. Coincidence? As long as the guy is reasonably neat down there and drinks pineapple juice to keep his come from tasting nasty I like fellatio. But even if I didn’t I’d do it enough to keep my man away from glory holes.

    It will also help you rock a Latino guy’s world.

    David Alexander:
    I am this close to adopting you, but Chic is right. Sexism I can tolerate (hence my addiction to this blog) but racist-sexism is too much. There are surely white girls with less than complementary things to say about black male porn addicts.

    The whole weight issue: in marriage your spouse’s long-term health is more important than his/her waistline though the two are obviously related. Although weight isn’t as visually unattractive on a man as on a woman, fat men suffer from impotence at higher rates than slim ones and that will not endear you to your wife esp. if she’s kept her figure. There’s no way around it, dudes, you have to stay trim as well.

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  96. PA
    Fat men are a sorry sight and few can score women unless they are powerful or have natural alphatude like the fictional Tony Soprano. Most just look like a pink hog ready to be buttered.

    I agree
    There are also well roasted brown hogs walking around too.

    I know, I see them in my friggin gym shower all too much (though I give them credit for going to the gym.)

    Being fat and in shape is better than being fat and inactive. Being active helps keep type II diabetes, high blood pressure etc.. at bay for a lot of fat people.

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  97. Brad Pitt,George Clooney, and Leonardo D

    I don’t hate any of them. Pitt, I like. Clooney, he’s an impressive dude but a liberal, which makes me respect him a bit less as a man, but not hate. DeCaprio? I don’t get it.

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  98. Chic:
    Your man won’t necesarily end up with a whore if you don’t fellate him, he might end up with a gay man who won’t demand reciprocation

    Opps
    Hello, I was thinking about he girls who do it with any man who comes along. I don’t understand how any woman can just walk off with a guy she met 15 minutes ago to do that. They are the types who are putting the prostitutes out of business not wives and girlfriends . You are right about the gay man bit; there are plenty of those hidden videos with st8 guys all over the net.

    But even if I didn’t I’d do it enough to keep my man away from glory holes
    Can Lexington Steele or John Napier fit their junk in a glory hole? I thnk they need a glory window 😆

    This environment attracts a unique breed of femmes
    you got that right. I miss Elizabeth and Nicole 😦

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  99. PA, I think it’s the pretty boy features of the three. Their faces are masculine but at the same time feminine. There was a study I read which linked women to men with feminine faces for long-term relationships. On the other hand, women looked to men with more masculine looking faces for a quick screw.

    I’m sure my husband Agnostic has a link to the study.

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  100. My dad would always tell us boys if you want to date a girl, before it becomes serious, check out moms size. He was onto something.

    Mom is generally a good source of determining the potential size of a girl, but I’ve seen girls who didn’t match their mother’s size. Some girls were thinner than their mothers, and other girls were fatter than their moms. OTOH, mommy’s behaviour and her relationship with her daughter and her husband is key to understanding if your girlfriend is right for you.

    DA I don’t know what to say. I swear you must really hate your mother;(

    You must have missed the post where Tupac noted that I’m a mommy’s boy.

    I just want to push him down a flight of stairs.

    Pain is pleasure.

    Hillary is a Wellesly pseudo-aristo, with a grating presence and obnoxious, queen bee attitude.

    Back when Obama was a rising star that people thought had no chance, I was looking for an alternative to Hillary. Joe Biden is a tool, Bill Richardson is Hispanic, and John Edwards had the smell of a loser about him. Hillary Clinton would have been smeared in the media, and I know of a sizable number of liberal men who think she’s a mean-looking bitch who reminds them of some old annoying, obnoxious teacher from school.

    Childlessness actually ages a woman faster

    As long one stays away from excessive beer drinking, the childless women in my family have aged better than those who have had children. Children are stressful, and if they fuck up, it’s destructive…

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  101. PA, that’s Beyonce in my gravie. She’s very flexible now because she started going yoga classes after marrying Jay Z. She said she wanted to bring something exciting to the bedroom to keep Jay happy.

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  102. There are surely white girls with less than complementary things to say about black male porn addicts.

    Bring it on. 🙂

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  103. Childless women are often prone to taking on that unfeminine “severe” look with age. It has something to do with the use-it-or-lose-it effect of femenine hormones never being triggered via a pregnancy.

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  104. Remember when those big money men on Wall St. were celebrating the fall of Gov. Eliot Spritzer? Well he was on to their asses. He had taken a few of then down for “stealing”. He was even going after a bigger fish until he got popped..

    <a http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/51831/

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  105. Chic, anyone who tries to give head to the aforementioned fellows will probably end up with the kind of heartburn that even a Ben’s Chili Bowl meal, complete with chili dog, cheese fries, and milkshake cannot produce. Instead of pink roses he should give his dates Pepto-Bismol.

    And if I do end up with a porn actor it will be Roissy’s fault for hooking me on game!

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  106. Does a fat head and an anal fixation count for anything?

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  107. Raising kids ages you, but once they are young adults you live vicariously through them and get that youth. At the same age childless people are winding down. So it’s really a wash and depends on how parental you are.

    Just cook healthy for the kids to keep the whole family slim.

    PA: Do you have proof of this?

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  108. on November 12, 2008 at 10:39 pm The One Black Chick You Met in Toronto

    I can’t believe that you guys really ate that pig. I still can’t believe that someone took the time to make such a perfectly shaped asshole for it either.

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  109. If childless women look “hard” it’s probably because they’ve spent too much time clawing their way to middle management. Careerism kills feminine softness w/ or w/o childbearing.

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  110. DA,
    I can’t stay mad at you. Unless you like the abuse 😉

    *cuddle*

    but then again I’m not black. You might have to work harder to win back Chic as your non-date gf.

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  111. *cuddle*

    I heart hugs. You are um, chubby, right? 😉

    You might have to work harder to win back Chic as your non-date gf.

    I would classify Chic Noir loosely as a female friend, but since I expressed an interest in banging her based on a photo that may possibly be of another woman, she’s a non-date girlfriend. Sadly, she’s not into friends with benefits or head which reminds me of the last black girl that I was romantically interested in. I have no luck with pretty black girls. 😦

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  112. chic if we’re going to analyze DA I’d venture that he’s a mama’s boy who feels as though fucking a black chick would be like fucking his mom or sister. I’ve known Asian and Jewish dudes like this; it’s very common.

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  113. I look very similar to Natalia Verbeke. But I suspect chic’s nails are nicer than mine

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  114. hello:

    I look very similar to Natalia Verbeke.

    Hey, do you think David Bowie is hot?

    But I suspect chic’s nails are nicer than mine

    No, no, your nails are quite nice…

    Are they real?

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  115. David Bowie? I prefer Mick Jagger but like them both (individually, not in flagrante delicto)

    How would you know what my nails look like?

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  116. I look very similar to Natalia Verbeke.

    She’s beautiful, but she’s attractive if you’re into Argentinian/European girls. There are plenty of beautiful European women, but they’re lacking in raw sexual appeal…

    And yes, my porn is devoid of Euro-girls.

    But I suspect chic’s nails are nicer than mine

    Acrylic nails make everything better.

    he’s a mama’s boy who feels as though fucking a black chick would be like fucking his mom or sister

    Nope, not in my case. Try again. 🙂

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  117. *shrug* we all have issues, and I’m happy to leave you in peace with yours. But I have a lot of sympathy for the plight of black women. It’s not blind sympathy, and I acknowledge their responsibility for their problems. Why not transform sexual distaste for black women into indifference and refrain from the gratuitous comments? But I’m not black so I don’t really care.

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  118. on November 12, 2008 at 11:54 pm ironrailsironweights

    And yes, my porn is devoid of Euro-girls.

    We all know what my favorite porn involves.

    Peter

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  119. “nonetheless, if you want a wifey who’ll stay thin longer, then a good rule of thumb is to avoid lower class women of any race.”

    Finally.

    Now you are on to something. That is a good rule of thumb for more than just weight.

    – MPM

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  120. OT, but chic you say you like asian men. You must adore Koreans

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  121. then a good rule of thumb is to avoid lower class women of any race

    Sadly, lower class women are more likely to have acrylic nails than their upper class counterparts.

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  122. The Fairness Doctrine is an awful assault on free speech. Unfortunately for its proponents, the cat is out of the bag. Awareness of it and it’s implications are too high. People will get the lead out to stop it, and it will be seen as the dominant party squashing dissenting opinion (which is exactly what it is). Being in DC, I hear a lot of things, and the D’s in the know seem to also believe Barrack is too smart to go for this one. I hope that he genuinely believes it is ‘chilling’ on the First Amendment. However, I think there will be smaller, more clandestine moves to rein in Limbaugh et al.

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  123. Just look at the near perfect fat lil’ oiled up ass on the blonde on top in this video: http://www.redtube.com/16365

    You guys that down chicks with a little bit of extra weight don’t know what you are missing; semi-chunky chicks, because of their healthier (less emaciated) physiques, get A LOT wetter than the calorie-starved beanpole women (many of whom turn as dry as sandpaper after a couple minutes of getting fucked).

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  124. What the f&*^ does the fairness doctrine have to do with fat chicks, unless it has loosely to do w/ Rush Limbaugh’s fitness instructor ex-wife?

    Mexican women get fat because they have a genetic tendency towards insulin resistance, the BIGGEST predictor of fat gain, T2 diabetes, heart disease, High BP, etc., as well as low testosterone in men. The next frontier in science should be genetic engineering to get rid of such genes, as well as 4th generation medications that increase insulin sensitivity.

    Blacks, from what I’ve heard, are less prone to insulin resistance, which is probably why the average young black is leaner and more muscular than members of other races. However, from what I’ve seen, their eating habits are atrocious (probably more of a class thing-you won’t see types like the Obamas getting fat); I guess the poverty and the persistence of Southern culinary mores (deep-fried everything, with lots of sugar to go) are the reason for this.

    Oh, and the only reason Asians don’t get fat is because of their structured, self-disciplined approach to life; in reality, they have the worst genes on the planet. Asians put on weight more easily, and develop T2 diabetes at lower weights than other ethnic groups. Asian men supposedly have lower testosterone levels than other groups. I guess their eating habits are tied to their communitarian lifestyles.

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  125. I’m fairly convinced that the men who worship stick women are secret gays.

    Men of the Earth: just look to nature’s way — the female half in nearly all species in the world ALWAYS, I say ALWAYS, carry extra body fat reserves, especially around their womb (to protect the possible child from a bad body blow or to help nourish the offspring in times of famine or little food).

    *** Ye whom reject pleasantly plump females therefore reject nature. ***

    I’m not talking about diggin FAT chicks here, REAL FAT NASTY OBESE chicks, but you aren’t a real man until the healthy curves of a well-fed female start your dick a’stirrin from somewhere from down deep.

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  126. That would be my friend Paul Janka on the Tyra show. He’s very good-looking but gives off a wolfish vibe, and he claims 100-200 odd “girlfriend experiences” for 3000 phone numbers, after having approached 15,000 women in 10 years. (Which is, after all, only 5 or so a day. Less than Mystery’s recommended 50/week.)

    Some guys have called this a “miserable conversion rate” due to “being a douchebag”, and in fact he might overdo the cockiness, and he has used negs a bit aggressively on the shows he’s done. I was amazed at the energy level his day game assumes, a method consisting of power bars, bottled water, long walks in Manhattan and constantly approaching. He uses good natural/direct methods like the “movie moment”, “Our World”, and social proof (“neighborhood guy”)–which he misuses the NLP term “anchoring” to denote. One of the problems with PUA is that very often good-looking guys don’t have a method easily adoptable by beginners (i.e. men who can get attraction just with their looks in a walk-up cough cough Swingcat). Pick-up is an exercise in mirroring and matching, and the method has to suit you.

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  127. In Melbourne , Australia we have a steadily growing population of Indians.

    Indian women tend to fall iinto two catergories, slender and sexy or heavy and ugly.

    As far as the slender ones go, I have paid close attention to their wrists and ankles. Both are tiny !
    Slender ankles are simply not designed to carry weight , and their wrists , I kid you not , my cock has a bigger circumference, LOL.

    A woman like this is built for sex and will not put on weight.

    So … race aside, slender wrists and ankles is the key.

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  128. As far as build characteristics go , slim wrists and ankles are they key.
    Also look for women with well defined waists.

    A woman with heavy ankles and a poorly defined waist will stack on weight by just looking at food.

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  129. The whole weight issue: in marriage your spouse’s long-term health is more important than his/her waistline though the two are obviously related.

    This is my attitude as well. If a woman isn’t rational/long-term oriented enough to care about her own health, she’s not acceptable marriage material for me, but anything that’s possibly aesthetically unappealing but doesn’t negatively impact health (such as hip or thigh fat), whatever.

    Although weight isn’t as visually unattractive on a man as on a woman, fat men suffer from impotence at higher rates than slim ones and that will not endear you to your wife esp. if she’s kept her figure. There’s no way around it, dudes, you have to stay trim as well.

    Yes. Unfortunately, this seems like it can only be a negative, not a positive — women don’t tend to be interested in trim health-conscious nerds who aren’t porking up anytime in the next millennium.

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  130. Unfortunately, this seems like it can only be a negative, not a positive — women don’t tend to be interested in trim health-conscious nerds who aren’t porking up anytime in the next millennium.

    The problem is that there are few competitive sports opportunities once you hit the mid-twenties. When you were a kid, all you needed was a ball and a field and other kids would just show up. Guys who enjoyed that don’t turn into guys who take scheduled morning walks to stay fit.

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  131. The problem is that there are few competitive sports opportunities once you hit the mid-twenties.

    As I’ve noted about ten thousand times.
    Children have almost unlimited team-sport opportunities, adults almost none. In my densely populated suburban area just about the only team sports for adults are in a handful of softball and basketball leagues. Unfortunately, “adult” in this context mainly means “a few years out of high school.” The largest adult basketball league had to cancel its over-30 division due to lack of interest.

    Peter

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  132. on November 13, 2008 at 9:32 am Married But Cool

    Arriving late to the party here….

    I think Roissy nailed three additional items that are a lock for “P Squared” or Potential to Pork…

    1. Ankles (avoid the kankles of course)
    2. Wrists
    3. Back of the arm

    For me, the potential to pork is not such a big deal in a short term situation … but its the complete intentional abandonment of the fight when the girl gets in a long term relationship that is offensive. God bless those chicks that keep up the life long battle out of respect for their mate.

    Its outrageous to hear feminists lament their lazy dog husbands, while at the same time they resent their husbands for not loving them “for who they are” when they explode like the Michelin Man.

    Wife 1: Potential porker who realized this potential
    Wife 2: Ultra hot – no chance.

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  133. I have a bit of a fly in the ointment on this topic, because I have been with larger women (say 20% of the women I’ve dated) and someone like DA’s “non-date-girlfriend” strikes me as just perfect. (I like pale Northern Mediterranean types, as a pale Eastern Med type myself.) What is the whole point of Game? Getting your mammalian rocks off, touching and being touched.

    Of course, my other issues–illness, disability, mainly invisible, meaning I can “fake” normalcy, except for the hunchback–mean that sex is something delicate and infrequent, fraught with peril. I’m a great lay, but I “can’t get laid”–I make literally 100 approaches for every number. Not as bad as TrinityVA, who described the reaction of the abled to disabled sex as “The alien wants to fuck…God, I think I’m gonna hurl”, but I think your reaction is somewhat the same. Feminists would call that body fascism. Of course, you are strong and healthy and relatively young, and the strong and the sadistic love cruelty and praise it. (I am a Middle Easterner, I know how the world works. Please don’t think I’m trying to make you “feel bad”–I know you can’t and won’t.)

    Your version of hellish torture is my screaming orgasm.

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  134. i just read the article that basil linked to. i read this and vomited in my mouth… a lot:

    “They reviewed smaller studies that have suggested a higher prevalence of obesity among lesbians and the possible reasons why. ‘The results of these studies indicate that lesbian women have a better body image than do heterosexual women,’ they wrote.”

    when did ‘better’ come to mean fatter? nietzshe had a term for this: the slave revolt in morality.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master-slave_morality

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  135. They reviewed smaller studies that have suggested a higher prevalence of obesity among lesbians and the possible reasons why. ‘The results of these studies indicate that lesbian women have a better body image than do heterosexual women,’ they wrote.”

    Did the study explain the penchant for buzz cuts, wallet chains, flannels and softball? And no lie, there was a period of time when lesbians all had jackets with Tigger on the back. Does anyone else remember this?

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  136. FatAzz, smaller asses (like the second girl in the clip) can be just as nice.

    A few lucky women store fat in all the right places and none of the wrong ones – in their tits, ass and thighs. Their upper arms stay fairly slim, and their waist is defined. These women are very rare in my experience – only one comes to mind, and she’s tall (~5’8″) and very feminine. Joan Holloway of Mad Men is a good example.* She’s friggin sexy. Other women just lose definition everywhere, not hot.

    *Some have touted her as an example of a lost beauty ideal, and a welcome respite to the usual sticks for women, but I call BS – women just don’t look like that with extra weight.

    EuroSabra,
    Paul Janka is more valuable for his elaboration of a logistical system for getting laid. He teaches a genuine abundance mentality, to the point where you spend very little time per notch. After reading his stuff, I really took an eye to logistics more, and following success, I’m spending way less effort per girl, and getting more, due to volume. His actual game isn’t well taught, but it’s completely bereft of the toolish crap that’s representative of 90% of the community.

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  137. This is unrelated to the discussion but for all you rich-bashing socialists out there, Waxman (D) has the six biggest hedge fund managers in front of his committee to grill them about how evil they are and how they need to be regulated.

    http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN3_wm.aspx

    It’s totally disingenuous and these Congressmen don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about, but it should be entertaining.

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  138. “It’s totally disingenuous and these Congressmen don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about, but it should be entertaining.”

    Have Chris Dodd and Barney Fag been called in? Wait, never mind…

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  139. @ SA

    i don’t think this is unrelated at all. being fat is very much like being poor. people trot out this phony sympathy that really masks contempt. people hate on super-skinny runway models for the same reason they hate on the very rich: resentment.

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  140. Haha, good point Lance. And no plick, the people actually responsible will be doing the questioning, not the answering.

    Some of these guys are doing a real good job of articulating why hedge funds are not at all the problem and that they’ve actually been a huge help to the situation.

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  141. on November 13, 2008 at 10:51 am Married But Cool

    Eurosabra

    I get your point. However, I’m not fucking a Playboy bunny because frankly, I don’t live the lifestyle and possess the wealth of the kind of men they want to date. (Also because I’m married). I don’t resent the men that can however. These men might discard the women that I find totally hot.

    Likewise, I’m guessing there are women out there who you might find completely repulsive, despite your condition.

    Everything is relative.

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  142. jaakkeli:

    The problem is that there are few competitive sports opportunities once you hit the mid-twenties.

    Team sports, yeah. But I see plenty of guys in their 30’s at my MMA gym and there are a few guys in their 40’s (but those were obviously former athletes). And that’s common in the sport.

    If one wants a fun, athletic activity that one can do at any age, I recommend surfing. Once you manage to catch that first wave and ride it out, you will be hooked. Guaranteed.

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  143. Okay, it looks like the first half is the boring bit. The actual hedge fund managers aren’t going on til after lunch.

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  144. The problem is that there are few competitive sports opportunities once you hit the mid-twenties.

    Team sports, yeah. But I see plenty of guys in their 30’s at my MMA gym and there are a few guys in their 40’s (but those were obviously former athletes). And that’s common in the sport.
    If one wants a fun, athletic activity that one can do at any age, I recommend surfing. Once you manage to catch that first wave and ride it out, you will be hooked. Guaranteed.

    The problem is, team sports have valuable attributes that individual sports don’t. Like, well, teamwork.

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  145. @Basil Ransom

    Fascinating–that is exactly what I’m looking for. I need a low-investment high-return system because I’m dealing with some of the same dynamics…in fact I live in Janka’s old neighborhood, across the street from the church J’s dad used to help at as an usher.

    @MBC

    The problem is that the “average woman’s” requirements have gone sky-high with a sense of entitlement. Most of the men learning Game are possibly put-upon nerds who don’t naturally draw the attention of women, and they are learning Game to pull 6s and have sex (instead of not having sex.) While I see your point, it is a non-issue for many. I’ve never dated ANY conventionally-attractive women except for a few nerds, because 6s and 7s in the modern Jewish community want to date up, get plenty of offers, and have the social networks to get to the “best” men. It’s almost impossible to be consistently turned down by your female peers precisely because you are not “above” them and not harbor a sense of resentment, and I applaud your equanimity if you do not feel your life has been made infinitely and irrevocably poorer, “a lamentation for the ages” by the lack of Bunny.

    I feel that I was cheated of much joy in my youth by the arbitrary judgements of my peers, which is why I find it hard to break into a mentality of abundance when I’m still getting into a relationship about once a year, and having sex (for logistical and physical and health reasons) only about twice a month when I AM in a relationship. I managed to ditch the part of the resentment that was troublesome until an event sending me into a rage–seeing hot women at the gas station trying to GIVE pu$$y to the tall, good-looking guy with the nice car–the crowd gathered was blocking my spot, preventing me from getting to a pump, and I had to wait, not having the option of pulling around.

    I don’t think Whiskey would be amused, but running them over would have probably been the most ridiculous possible illustration of his “taking down the Big Man” theory of violence in polygamous patriarchy.

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  146. I have to laugh at the girls who don’t meet these standards and make comments like “good luck meeting that girl” – but the fact of the matter is that there are girls that buy into this – I think Rois drives his point well with the idea that both contenders have other options in and if one person isnt cutting it then they are dead weight. I know the one of the better relationships I have had is where I can’t get enough of this girl because of her damn cute face, smoken body/boobs, slight nerdy-ness and bedroom skills – she was all over me because I have a very fast car, baby blue eyes, a great job, a very nice loft, a runner’s body and the fact that I can cook…

    and listen girls, if you play guitar hero sitting down, I am not gonna call you for any more dates…

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  147. on November 13, 2008 at 11:50 am Married But Cool

    Euro –

    Dude. That’s a sad and depressing story. And yes, I have managed to go on with life without Bunny, despite the obvious hardships.

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  148. @ eurosabra

    i ain’t no PUA, but i can see spot some of your problems jumping right out from that post:

    – stop thinking about what women ‘require’ and whether you meet their standards. start thinking about what you want, and what you’re standards are. your way of thinking will manifest itself in neediness. and nothing shuts a pair of legs quicker than the stink of the needy.

    – if you find the ‘modern jewish community’ lacking, then move on. women are social animals because it makes sense for them. stop playing by their rules. strike out on your own and expand your horizons. mom’s want their sons to marry ‘nice jewish(or substitute any ethnicity here) girls’, because they want their grandkids to be accepted by that community. that’s a female need. who the fuck cares if your kids aren’t 100% whatever?

    – lose the resentment. men approach. we take the risk. deal with it. you’re going to get shot down plenty. who fucking cares?

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  149. SA, I didnt watch that clip, but heres my reaction to your comments, given your general views and some of the comments here.

    I’ve always been interested in the way Republicans/neocons react to liberal policy. The way they characterize it is always so telling, and different from how liberals look at things. Concepts like “white guilt” are purely a republican construct, as a way to distill a complicated set of issues into a simple term that is easy to criticize. I also think this relates to you calling those who disagree with you “rich-bashing socialists”.

    There are people out there like you describe – the whole “latte drinking, elitist, snobby, hypocritical, arugula-liberal” – but those are far from the norm, and there are just as many extreme examples on the right that are worthy of criticism.

    What you dont seem to grasp though, and what makes the “contempt for the rich/welfare loving” characterization mostly invalid, and unrelated to the “fat girl hating on skinny models” idea — is that most of the problems the left tends to have with rich people are related to profiteering, not simply profits.

    Most intelligent people see the benefits of capitalism – including Barack, a famously pro-chicago school of economics guy. But the problem – for everyone, not just the poor or disadvantaged – comes when that is unchecked. I think thats a somewhat obvious observation, but I also think its hard to act like many of the large corporations that come under fire – including many of those involved in the financial meltdown – arent guilty of some largely unethical, often illegal activities that take advantage of consumers and ultimately hurt the whole economy. At a certain point, there needs to be intervention, which we saw basically zero of in the Bush administration, until now. So you can say socialism or Marxism as many times as you want, or maybe just as often as Roger Ailes calls for it to be a talking point in days/weeks’ political discussions, but it doesnt mean thats what liberals want. There is a healthy mix of free market capitalist and “socialist” ideas that make this country work so great, and it seems that now – arguably because things got so out of hand in the other direction – things need to get a little more regulated.

    That said, from everything I’ve read, and despite my pretty far left ideals, I am not happy about any of the bailouts, whether happening or that have been proposed. Shouldnt failing industries/companies be allowed to fail? Thats probably the only issue that Ive been disappointed with Obama on, but it seems to be the general consensus that some kind of ‘rescue plan’ is necessary. They keep talking about putting a floor on housing prices but I feel like the markets should just work themselves out. Anyone more qualified than me have some insight on that?

    Just to keep this more on the post topic: Girls LOVE having fat/flabby upper arms.

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  150. Very perceptive about the plumpness of her earlobes and her ankle and wrist circumference. I’ve noticed those things as a predictor, too.

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  151. SA, I didnt watch that clip, but heres my reaction to your comments, given your general views and some of the comments here.

    I’ve always been interested in the way Republicans/neocons react to liberal policy. The way they characterize it is always so telling, and different from how liberals look at things. Concepts like “white guilt” are purely a republican construct, as a way to distill a complicated set of issues into a simple term that is easy to criticize. I also think this relates to you calling those who disagree with you “rich-bashing socialists”.

    There are people out there like you describe – the whole “latte drinking, elitist, snobby, hypocritical, arugula-liberal” – but those are far from the norm, and there are just as many extreme examples on the right that are worthy of criticism.

    What you dont seem to grasp though, and what makes the “contempt for the rich/welfare loving” characterization mostly invalid, and unrelated to the “fat girl hating on skinny models” idea — is that most of the problems the left tends to have with rich people are related to profiteering, not simply profits.

    Most intelligent people see the benefits of capitalism – including Barack, a famously pro-chicago school of economics guy. But the problem – for everyone, not just the poor or disadvantaged – comes when that is unchecked. I think thats a somewhat obvious observation, but I also think its hard to act like many of the large corporations that come under fire – including many of those involved in the financial meltdown – arent guilty of some largely unethical, often illegal activities that take advantage of consumers and ultimately hurt the whole economy. At a certain point, there needs to be intervention, which we saw basically zero of in the Bush administration, until now. So you can say socialism or Marxism as many times as you want, or maybe just as often as Roger Ailes calls for it to be a talking point in days/weeks’ political discussions, but it doesnt mean thats what liberals want. There is a healthy mix of free market capitalist and “socialist” ideas that make this country work so great, and it seems that now – arguably because things got so out of hand in the other direction – things need to get a little more regulated.

    That said, from everything I’ve read, and despite my pretty far left ideals, I am not happy about any of the bailouts, whether happening or that have been proposed. Shouldnt failing industries/companies be allowed to fail? Thats probably the only issue that Ive been disappointed with Obama on, but it seems to be the general consensus that some kind of ‘rescue plan’ is necessary. They keep talking about putting a floor on housing prices but I feel like the markets should just work themselves out. Anyone more qualified than me have some insight on that?

    Just to keep this more on the post topic: Girls LOVE having fat/flabby upper arms.

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  152. If you’re gonna go Latin, don’t go Mexican, go Cuban.

    Roissy’s right, Mexican girls are starch bombs.

    Has anyone noticed that Hispanic girls and young women from Mexico and Central America — especially lower-income ones — lose their hourglass figures really early? I think there’s a huge correlation of this with poverty and the tendency to rely on fast food, fries, etc. for every meal.

    Plus, has anyone noticed that Mexican and Central American girls with a significant amount of Indian blood have *ugly legs*? The calf just merges into the thigh, without the usual tapering indentation that I find so sexy. This doesn’t seem to be a product of their being overweight — it’s just how they’re built.

    Cuban girls often have big hips and butts (which is cool with me), but tend to maintain their small, narrow waits well into life, which makes them hot.

    Puerto Rican chicks are built like Cubans (of course, having some African genes), but, especially if they live on the island and eat the usual greasy and starchy fare, tend to get fatter faster.

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  153. @ rick

    you might want to think through your arguments a bit more clearly before you go pitching meatballs like that. you don’t think that there here is a huge component of resentment in liberals’ feeling about the rich? that’s fine. don’t take my word for it; just read this blog entry on nytimes.com:

    http://warner.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/02/waiting-for-schadenfreude/?scp=1&sq=schadenfreude&st=cse

    hell, just read the first few paragraphs:

    A couple of years ago, at the height of the boom, a friend in New York publishing described to me the indignities of being a five-figure employee commuting daily from suburban New Jersey on trains packed with traders, stock brokers and hedge-fund types.

    “These were the guys who, in college, I used to step over on Sunday mornings when they were lying in a pool of their own vomit,” he said. “And now they’re earning millions and millions – in bonuses alone.”

    The image, as you might imagine, stuck in my mind. For it summed up so well a certain kind of resentment and sense of injustice that a particular class of non-monied professionals in the New York area came to feel sometime in the late 1990s.

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  154. Im not trying to deny there is resentment, but what im saying is that its more directed on those that deserve it. Many of those riding the easy money on wall street are just those people, so i empathize at least with those first few paragraphs.

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  155. @Lance

    Just describing the dynamics, really. And I’ve used NLP to deal with a lot of the internal stuff, so I was surprised to find myself so easily triggered. For the rest, “get over it” is only useful advice to those who can find the tools–I am hyper-aware of my mental and emotional states, know how to do plenty of biofeedback, etc. You have to stop slippery-slope stuff before it hits.

    As for the neediness, it stems more from lack of self-esteem than anything else–the way our culture *breaks the egos* of men who “can’t get laid” is unique. You have to perform but you aren’t given the tools. And styles of rejection are culturally-determined–I once had a Polish woman simply STEP OUT of my arms and continue our conversation when I gave her an unwanted hug, indicating her boundaries without acrimony. Likewise, Russians do simple non-response to touching–just a cold look of “I’m not going there with you.” Whereas in America it’s “OMFG Loser Get Away!”

    You have to have a VERY thick skin, and I don’t. I’m also more depressed and isolated than a normal person. I have horror stories of trying to pick up hot Russian gun molls on the street in Miami, spitting game in my $#^!-Russian, and having them laugh and walk away. (I was mismatching everyone like a hyperactive bag of nerves.) I should count myself lucky I wasn’t shot by one of the Big Men, or pepper sprayed by the random Anglo chick I approached from behind as she was simply trying to go home. Talk about forcing things regardless of context. (I later fell in with some German chicks but failed to properly get attraction.)

    Oddly enough, when I succeed, the flow is imperceptible. Everything I do is golden. Unfortunately I think it’s Fool’s Mate.

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  156. @ Rick – That was a very long post. And it completely missed the point. The link I sent wasn’t a clip; it’s the live broadcast (still going on now) of a hearing on hedge funds. I noticed hedge funds show up nowhere in your post.

    The reason why it actually is socialist rich-bashing, and not well-reasoned argument is who they’re targeting now. Hedge funds have nothing to do with causing this crisis. Furthermore, they’ve actually helped the situation by providing liquidity and buying distressed assets. Yet some clueless Congressman who doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about gets to parade these guys in front of the cameras and tell them they’re too rich so he’ll look good.

    As for regulation, the investment banks and commercial banks were already regulated. So was Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Hedge funds were not regulated. Investment banks, commercial banks, Fannie and Freddie caused the problem. Hedge funds did not. Personally, I think that’s not just correlation, but causation.

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  157. And for the record, I get my talking points from no one, which is why I understand everything I say. I don’t think you could say the same when you trot out standard liberal talking points.

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  158. @Seeking_Alpha

    why are we talking about “liberal talking points” on a thread about fat girls?

    and please, don’t say someone else started it… let’s try to keep Roissy’s posts at least nominally on point.

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  159. A couple of years ago, at the height of the boom, a friend in New York publishing described to me the indignities of being a five-figure employee commuting daily from suburban New Jersey on trains packed with traders, stock brokers and hedge-fund types.
    “These were the guys who, in college, I used to step over on Sunday mornings when they were lying in a pool of their own vomit,” he said. “And now they’re earning millions and millions – in bonuses alone.”

    Well heck, I am “honored” to commute on the train every day with schmucks like that.

    It isn’t pleasant.

    Peter

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  160. I was speaking more generally, obviously – just was motivated by some of your comments. My comment still stands.

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  161. Rick:

    They keep talking about putting a floor on housing prices but I feel like the markets should just work themselves out. Anyone more qualified than me have some insight on that?

    Foxes guarding the hen house.

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  162. Joe T.:

    Cuban girls often have big hips and butts (which is cool with me), but tend to maintain their small, narrow waits well into life, which makes them hot.

    I live in Miami, aka Cuba 2.0.

    I disagree with extreme prejudice.

    They’re hot when they’re young, but they make shitty wives. Demanding shrews. It’s not uncommon to see the most alpha of men get betaized by their nagging Cuban wives.

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  163. @ Joe, I just mentioned that there was an interesting Congressional hearing going on. I said it was off-topic.

    @ Rick – My comment still stands that you don’t know what you’re talking about. But that’s okay. That never stopped anyone before.

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  164. SA, thats fine, youve said similar things before. What you havent done is demonstrated why.

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  165. EuroSabra, forget about Jewish girls. I’m of the tribe myself, very much so, in college, and my game doesn’t work on Jewish girls – they get sketched out because they’re sexually repressed. Pretty sure they get hot over establishing common friends from Jew camp and stories of birthright trips and temple rites. Ugh.

    And for those that do like me, fingering a Jewish girl comes as easily as fucking a shiksa, and guess which one looks and sounds like ‘The Nanny’? No contest.

    I’ve heard of many Jewish sorority girls who just don’t fuck.

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  166. @BasilRansom

    Yes, they’re difficult in college, they’re difficult after college, the ones who ARE sexual can be status whores, the ones who aren’t status whores can be scared of sex. Watch your subculture and game for that subculture. MOT Game is special, TylerDurden actually developed “JAP Game”, which works if you can ratchet up increasing jealousy between chicks in a trendy NYC bar.

    I favor Jewish women because the “Jewish geography” makes the comfort phase much easier–if you have shared geography. My looks also situate me as an obvious MOT, and so far only Jewish women have found me “hot” or “cute”.

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  167. @Eurosaba: Some people call it Fools Mate. I call it bullshit. What are you trying to do, have some sort of morally superior fuck? Don’t overanalyze and *put yourself down* by calling it anything. Simply enjoy that you got laid and let that be that.

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  168. @Animus

    I do not yet have sufficient game to CREATE attraction/arousal, I have to rely on my particular looks fitting in with the chick’s horniness. (Though occasionally I can escalate effectively.) As a result, I do not “pick” women, they pick me. It’s not a case of moral superiority, it’s a lack of power and a lack of results with stereotypically-“hot” women.

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  169. There is a feeling you should be able to walk out the door and pull any time you want, and a lot of beating oneself up about how few and far between one’s successes are.

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  170. on November 13, 2008 at 2:28 pm Married But Cool

    Euro – depressing.

    Your low self esteem is a self fulfilling prophecy. No cheerleading or advice from others will help.

    You are letting your ability with chicks define your sense of confidence. Mistake. See? Advice again. My bad.

    As the G Manifesto dude would say… “the rest is up to you”.

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  171. Doing my best in a tough situation.

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  172. @Tupac

    Whenever I think of Cuban women, I admittedly think of the most prime examples, like this:

    No audio required.

    Again, this is the image that is stuck in my mind:

    Also, being from Miami, I’m sure you remember Marisleysis:

    http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/747952.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193875DCB1DD8387ABB11288DF2EE68C4DE284831B75F48EF45

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/spanish/news/news000626elian.shtml

    Only you may be right, as I shudder when I see what’s happened to her in a relatively short period of time:

    By the way, is it me, or can only the Cubans pour so much emotion and meaning into one woman’s name… not to mention extra y’s and syllables.

    Mari-sleeeeeeeeysis!

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  173. Eurosabra
    That would be my friend Paul Janka on the Tyra show. He’s very good-looking but gives off a wolfish vibe.

    😯

    screams

    *legs give out*

    That person is your friend. Oh no you seemed like such a nice guy too. How can you be friends with someone like him? He is such a douchbag. With his looks and aura why does he need to use PUA stuff. I would imagine Janka being able to talk the panties off women without using game. I bet he doesn’t have many male friends. He has that type of personality that Whiskey mentioned a few days ago.

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  174. Eurosabra–

    Another member of the tribe here. I met my wife at a Jewish Federation fundraiser.

    I’m just sayin’ . . .

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  175. Chic Noir: He is such a douchbag. With his looks and aura why does he need to use PUA stuff. I would imagine Janka being able to talk the panties off women without using game.

    Girl, why do you insist on being so fucking dense?

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  176. Hi Cheeky Chic

    What? No more numbers on our comments? What is the world coming to?

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  177. Simple: he’s from my old neighborhood, and we met on summer vacation from college in the 90s. (He was really shy and quiet at the time. I still am, sort of.) I can’t do anything about how someone else interacts with women, really, beyond calling out bad behavior. I think he would go much, much farther if he lost the wolfishness and the predatory aura, but the fact that such a good-looking man “needs” Game should tell you how hard it is to meet and attract women in NYC.

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  178. Hello,Natalia Verbeke is gorgeous.

    hello
    OT, but chic you say you like asian men. You must adore Koreans
    Yes Rain comes to mind.

    Eurosaba said I was amazed at the energy level his day game assumes, a method consisting of power bars, bottled water, long walks in Manhattan and constantly approaching
    SMDH
    So this fool makes a day job out of chasing p*ssY! What the hell??? Thank God I am a woman. There is no way in hell I would put myself through all of that^^^ just to hump somebody for 5-10 minutes.
    I am really pissed that Janka is such a douche. How can a man so nice looking be so evil. His life is so much easier than most people because he is male and better looking than 90% of the population. I hope I never run across him in streets of Manhattan. I suspect that I will run in the opposite direction if I see him because men who have ultra intense auras scare the hell out of me.

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  179. One thing I never understood about the Tribe, is why some of the ugliest women on two legs, and also some of the most naturally beautiful women I’ve ever seen, can both be part of it…

    The dichotomy is like none other. It seems to be bell curve with two peaks, one on the far left, and one on the far right, and sometimes, I think, very little in between.

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  180. DF saidMiss, why do you insist on being so fucking dense?

    Please explain?

    but the fact that such a good-looking man “needs” Game should tell you how hard it is to meet and attract women in NYC.

    I find it hard to believe. On the other hand, I must take your word since I am a woman &I can’t walk in your shoes.
    I wonder if lesbians have a hard time approaching? I’ve been approached by lipstick lesbians

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  181. Chic, he’s an academic tutor. I have no doubt he in fact spends most of his free time “chasing pu$$y” as you put it. DF called you dense because “talking the panties off” IS Game.

    Men go to the extremes they do because without action, their lives would be totally sexless.

    According to Nora Vincent’s _Self-Made Man_, lesbians don’t have trouble approaching because lesbians aren’t as cruel to the women they reject as straight women are to straight men.

    Joe T: That’s the kind of looks distribution produced by a recent (in the past 100-odd yrs) breakdown of arranged marriage in a culture that depended on the practice for 1000s of years. Subcontinental Indians (see above) show the same phenomenon, as do Albanians and Armenians.

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  182. Eurosaba said I don’t think Whiskey would be amused, but running them over would have probably been the most ridiculous possible illustration of his “taking down the Big Man” theory of violence in polygamous patriarchy
    Ha
    Whiskey would of kick started the engine for you maybe even” ghost rode the whip” as you ran them over.
    @basilramson- Joan Holloway body is hot. She said they make her figure more hourglass looking for the show but she defintley has a body. Not many women want to look like her anymore thought. Women who have the Holloway, Beyonce and Ki Toy type of body are thought of as fat by the mainstream media. Remember many women get their sense of worth from US weekly and the TV.
    Animus said However, I think there will be smaller, more clandestine moves to rein in Limbaugh et al

    Carl farbain said I guess the poverty and the persistence of Southern culinary mores (deep-fried everything, with lots of sugar to go) are the reason for this
    I would argue that younger blks who are overweight eat little soul food. Fast food, snack foods, and soda are the reason so many of us have weight problems. Also African-American culture generally doesn’t push the size 0 body as the ideal. Beyonce and Ashanti are more the ideal among African-Americans.
    Blacks, from what I’ve heard, are less prone to insulin resistance, which is probably why the average young black is leaner and more muscular than members of other races
    Actually, African-Americans are more prone to developing type 2 diabetes than Whites. I have never noticed African-Americans being more muscular than other races. I’ve seen one flemsey Canadian study and it didn’t prove much of anything.

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  183. Eurosaba saidDF called you dense because “talking the panties off” IS Game.

    My mistake
    Substitute “throwing their panties at him as he walks into the room” for “talking the panties off”.

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  184. Eurosaba saidI favor Jewish women because the “Jewish geography” makes the comfort phase much easier–if you have shared geography. My looks also situate me as an obvious MOT

    Okay

    DF was right.
    I am dense.
    Will you break this down for me.

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  185. Joe T.:

    Whenever I think of Cuban women, I admittedly think of the most prime examples, like this:


    That bitch is fine as hell, but she does not look stereotypically Cuban. She looks more like a Venezuelan or upper-class Mexican to me.

    Also, being from Miami, I’m sure you remember Marisleysis

    Marisleysis is a more sterotypically Cuban type that you commonly find here. Yeah, she was fairly hot, but her histrionics are all to common among Cuban chicks. Hispanic people in general love their drama and telenovelas. I can’t really begrudge them though as Wasps can be a bit stiff and boring.

    Only you may be right, as I shudder when I see what’s happened to her in a relatively short period of time:

    http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2000/04/24/elian4.jpg

    Extremely common. It’s all the black beans and rice.

    Two words: Thunder Thighs.

    By the way, is it me, or can only the Cubans pour so much emotion and meaning into one woman’s name… not to mention extra y’s and syllables.

    I’ve come across some real doosies. Cuban names are rivaled only by lower-class black names.

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  186. Joe T.:

    Whenever I think of Cuban women, I admittedly think of the most prime examples, like this:


    That bitch is fine as hell, but she does not look stereotypically Cuban to me. She looks more Venezuelan or maybe upper-class Mexican.

    Also, being from Miami, I’m sure you remember Marisleysis

    Marisleysis looks like the stereotypically Cuban chick you commonly find here. She was fairly hot, but the histrionics you alluded to are all too common among Cuban chicks. Hispanic people in general love their drama and telenovelas, but especially Cubans. Can’t say I blame them as Wasps can be a bit too stiff and boring at times.

    Only you may be right, as I shudder when I see what’s happened to her in a relatively short period of time

    All too common. I think it’s all the black beans and rice. And pork.

    Two words: thunder thighs.

    By the way, is it me, or can only the Cubans pour so much emotion and meaning into one woman’s name… not to mention extra y’s and syllables.

    I’ve come across some real doosies.

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  187. chic:

    He has that type of personality that Whiskey mentioned a few days ago.

    Which is?

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  188. chic:

    I have never noticed African-Americans being more muscular than other races

    You’ve got to be kidding. I’ve known/observed many many blacks who eat McDonalds for breakfast, lunch and dinner yet who remain built and *ripped*. It’s all the nutrient partitioning from testosterone.

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  189. @Tupac

    I would have liked to have a “slice” of Marisleysis when she was about 19… not now, though!

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  190. Not that anyone cares but my ideal body type for women is what I call “The Centaur”:

    Legs and ass relatively curvy and juicy (not overly muscular, but with a shapely calf and thigh where you can see the quadricept muscle line), with a thin, slinky and delicate upper half (flat stomach without being a six-pack, prominent hip-bones, dainty shoulders, long skinny arms and long elegant neck).

    Even better if the girl’s habitual posture has a strong lordotic curve in the lower back with retracted shoulder blades/scapula. The girl in Roissy’s “Perfect Ass” entry is a good example, if a bit on the thin side.

    If she has a girly baby-face, Tupac gets SPRUNG.

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  191. Tupac Chopra
    chic:

    I have never noticed African-Americans being more muscular than *other races*

    You’ve got to be kidding. I’ve known/observed many many blacks who eat McDonalds for breakfast, lunch and dinner yet who remain built and *ripped*. It’s all the nutrient partitioning from testosterone

    *more musclar than whites.
    Um I’ve seen whites do this too.

    “yet who remain built and *ripped*
    Yea they work out.
    Which is?
    The type most men hate

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  192. Some day they’ll come up with a cure for marisleysis (or at least a treatment to control it).

    🙂

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  193. chic:

    “yet who remain built and *ripped*
    Yea they work out.

    Nope.

    Maybe some B ball but that’s it.

    Which is?
    The type most men hate

    Funny, I see Janka and I feel just fine…

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  194. I think the main reason for avoiding fat women (and men) is this:

    Losing weight is so easy that to not lose weight when you should is proof you have no will power and no consideration or love for your partner. Just pure narcisism, is all.

    Ladies, before you come down too hard on men for their attitude to fat women, do this thought experiment:

    Imagine if baldness were caused by a bad diet, and your husband was going bald and refused to change his died to prevent his hair from falling out. Add to this, imagine if baldness also caused bad body odor and diabetes.

    Imagine.

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  195. Tupac, they may not go to the gym but they work out. I don’t know many younger blk guys who workout at gyms. They workout at home. Situps, pushups etc can all be done at home. A lot of guys I know have a pushup and situp* regimen. Most* “thug” guys are ripped when they are released from jail. They say there is/was nothing for them to do in jail but workout all day.

    Maybe they tell you they don’t workout just like my size two friend tells me she can eat whatever she wants and never put on weight
    .

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  196. joel, men seem to worry about baldness more than women. I hear 10x as many women complaining about men with beer guts.

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  197. Chic:

    “Jewish geography” is the sport of reeling off where you went to temple, religious day school, and summer camp to see who you know in common with practically any other Jew the same age. Birthright trips are an added reservoir of acquaintances.

    Regarding Janka: you might think that, but actually men don’t care. And he’s right, you really DO need to eat, sleep, walk, talk, and dream Game to get some lovin’ in NYC. Like, ever.

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  198. Thanks Eurosabra for breaking that down for me.

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  199. little chiclet:
    Maybe they tell you they don’t workout just like my size two friend tells me she can eat whatever she wants and never put on weight

    chic, your slice-of-life anecdotes and fact-free musings as usual are completely at odds with reality.
    blacks are naturally more muscular than other races, whether they work out or not, and the science proves it.

    see here for studies showing higher basal levels of testosterone and increased androgen receptor density in blacks:

    http://haloscan.com/comments/raldanash/112310049855703701/#336118

    now anyone who steps out of their house knows this is common sense without needing to see it in a scientific study, but i guess for you common sense either took a vacation or you are deliberately lying in order to win arguments you have no way of winning.
    or maybe you’re just a typical girl who dispenses with reason and logic and prefers to think the world works according to the circadian rhythms of her FEEEEEEELINGS.

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  200. I don’t see what you guys see.

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  201. I mentioned that flimsy Canadian study I came across in my comment Roissy.
    In some of my comments, I mention reading something in a study sweetheart. Unlike you, I don’t store links to studies in my head. Some I tell anyone who would like to see the study to go look it up or ask that my husband post a link. Furthermore, I don’t need a study to tell me why a given man fails to make my panties wet.

    Last
    the name is not little chiclet, it’s chic lic!

    😉

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  202. chiclet:
    I mentioned that flimsy Canadian study I came across in my comment Roissy.

    the studies i linked above are solid. not that that will matter to you. i predict you’ll continue spewing your lies and offering your transparently phony opinions because you just don’t like the truth much.

    In some of my comments, I mention reading something in a study sweetheart.

    that’s “giant throbbing sweetheart” to you.

    Unlike you, I don’t store links to studies in my head.

    then maybe you should stop making shit up as you go along.
    ever hear that saying “know the shot before you open your mouth”? you may want to get acquainted with it.

    Some I tell anyone who would like to see the study to go look it up or ask that my husband post a link.

    the science — and simply stepping out of the house to take a look around — absolutely proves you wrong when you wrote this:

    “I have never noticed African-Americans being more muscular than *other races*”

    listen up, chic. i will continue to treat you like shit as long as you continue to lie your ass off and play the readers here for fools.

    Furthermore, I don’t need a study to tell me why a given man fails to make my panties wet.

    way to change the subject. sorry, charlie, i’m onto you.

    it’s chic lic!

    no licky before fucky.

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  203. “I have never noticed African-Americans being more muscular than *other races*”

    listen up, chic. i will continue to treat you like SHIT as long as you continue to lie your ass off and play the readers here for fools.

    A black man who does not work out has a body as flabby as a white man who does not work out excluding the true mesamorphs. What the hell??? Angela Basset worked to have the type of muscular physique she had in what’s love got to do with it. I guess some blk men pulled the wool over your eyes, he probably told you all blk men are built like Jack Napeir(?) too huh. I have no idea why you and Tupac think blk people look more muscular than white people?

    no licky before FUCKY

    [there we go. back to the way it was. nice try, chiclet!]

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  204. Roissy saidgee, i dunno. maybe because we’re not a LYING CUNT like you?

    [editor’s note: fixed! you keep playing this little game, chic, and i’ll ban you.]

    one wonders…

    ps: all you have to do to earn my good graces is STOP LYING. let’s see if you’re up to the task.

    Why exactly do I need to lie about??? I guess I will never be in your good graces. With my own two eyes, I’ve never noticed that the average Black man is more muscular than the average White man. I will not bend just to make you happy sweetie.

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  205. chic the liar:
    Why exactly do I need to [stop lying] about???

    your opinions are blatant lies because they fly in the face of what is easily and quickly observable by anyone with a pulse and working vision. when you write that you cannot see any difference in musculature between whites and blacks, that tells me you either live in a hermetically sealed bubble far removed from humanity where you interact with only a few people on a daily basis, or you are lying about what you actually observe when you step outside and take a look around at the world.
    it’s as if you were to tell us that in your opinion the sky is purple, because you don’t like the color blue. well, guess what? here in my thunderdome your easily disprovable opinions based on nothing more than your feelings and drive-by anecdotes are going to be ripped to shreds. i’m not running a slumber party support group.

    I guess I will never be in your good graces.

    you can be if you
    just
    stop
    lying.

    With my own two eyes, I’ve never noticed that the average Black man is more muscular than the average White man.

    then we are left with the following conclusions about you:

    1. you’re blind
    2. you don’t leave the house
    3. you’re lying

    i’m betting on door #3.

    I will not bend just to make you happy sweetie.

    door #3: you lie to spare your ego.
    got it.

    ps: i’m not asking you to make me happy. i’m telling you what you need to do to stop the pain i inflict upon you. there’s a difference.

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  206. @chicnoir

    It’s not so much that the average Black man is more muscular, it’s that he generally has more *lean* body mass per pound.

    Put another way, a lower percentage of body fat per pound of weight.

    Doesn’t mean it’s universal, and doesn’t mean there aren’t a lot of chubby Black guys walking around. I’ve known a bunch.

    But when you compare the populations as a whole, corrected for age, diet, etc., yes, it’s pretty obvious there is a difference.

    It might not be *only* about testosterone levels or sensitivity, though. It may also be simply differences in metabolism, i.e., the rate at which calories are burned.

    I think there’s also a countervailing factor that has been described in many studies by doctors — that African American men have higher rates of hypertension (high blood pressure), and heart disease, than whites.

    (Not that whites have particularly low rates of these diseases these days…)

    Maybe the higher levels of lean body mass (and correspondingly less fat) is an evolutionary adaptation in response to other genetic or dietary factors which cause the high b.p. or the heart disease.

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  207. chiclet:
    A black man who does not work out has a body as flabby as a white man who does not work out excluding the true mesamorphs. What the hell???

    you sound confused. here, i’ll spell it out for you:

    on average, and controlling for things like age, diet and illness, sedentary black men will be more muscular than sedentary white men because they have higher levels of testosterone and more sensitive androgen receptors.

    careful now, try not to head asplode like those guys in scanners.

    Angela Basset worked to have the type of muscular physique she had in what’s love got to do with it.

    another useless anecdote.
    a helpful tip: angela basset’s workout routine is not science, nor is mentioning it in the context of my schooling of you evidence of anything except your retreat to comforting lies and inane babble.

    I guess some blk men pulled the wool over your eyes, he probably told you all blk men are built like Jack Napeir(?) too huh.

    you’ve lost. you’re not even treading water now.

    I have no idea why you and Tupac think blk people look more muscular than white people?

    gee, i dunno. maybe because we’re not LYING CUNTS like you?
    one wonders…

    ps: all you have to do to earn my good graces is STOP LYING. let’s see if you’re up to the task.

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  208. anony, what’s important for musculature is androgen receptor sensitivity, not so much serum testosterone levels:

    http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/55/9/1937?ijkey=bd15c629504d26ddeb8eb07e0a9cbc0a522df8ee&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha

    First, many studies have shown that they have higher basal testosterone levels (though conflicting evidence exists).

    And is there conflicting evidence that Androgen receptor gene CAG repeat length differs with race?:

    Cancer Research, Vol 55, Issue 9 1937-1940, Copyright © 1995 by American Association for Cancer Research

    The CAG and GGC microsatellites of the androgen receptor gene are in linkage disequilibrium in men with prostate cancer

    RA Irvine, MC Yu, RK Ross and GA Coetzee

    The androgen receptor genotype was determined in the white blood cell DNA of 45 African-American, 39 non-Hispanic white, and 39 Asian (Chinese, Japanese) normal subjects and 68 patients with prostate cancer (57 whites), all of whom were residents of Los Angeles County. For each subject, we measured the number of repeats in the polymorphic CAG and GGC microsatellites of exon 1 of the androgen receptor gene. In normal subjects, the distributions of CAG and GGC microsatellites differed significantly among the races (two-sided P = 0.046 and < 0.0005, respectively). The prevalence of short CAG alleles (28) have an increased incidence of impaired spermatogenesis and infertility (11) , conditions that are extremely androgen-dependent (12) . Expansion of the CAG repeat length to >40 repeats is related to a rare neuromuscular disorder, spinal and bulbar muscular atrophy (Kennedy syndrome), which is also associated with androgen insensitivity, decreased virilization, testicular atrophy, reduced sperm production, and infertility (13, 14, 15) . Together, these clinical data suggest that a longer CAG repeat length decreases the functional competence of AR. . . .

    Previous studies have shown that the CAG repeat length is shortest in African Americans, intermediate in whites, and longest in Asians, which corresponds well with the high, intermediate, and low incidence of prostate cancer in these populations (26 , 27) . Because of the ethnic variation in CAG and GGN repeat lengths of the AR gene and the role of AR in androgenic activity, it has been suggested that these polymorphisms may help explain part of the large racial difference in prostate cancer risk.
    . . .

    Our results confirm that, relative to western men, Chinese men do indeed have a longer CAG repeat length. For example, 22% of the 1722 white men in two United States studies (17 , 18) had a CAG repeat length shorter than 20 versus only 10% in our study and 55% reported for African Americans in a cross-sectional survey (26 , 27) . Our results, based on the population with the lowest reported incidence of prostate cancer in the world, cannot be generalized directly to African Americans. However, inverse associations have also been reported for Caucasians, suggesting that the underlying biological mechanism in various racial groups may be similar and that the polymorphisms of AR may be related, in part, to racial difference in prostate cancer risk.

    1. Parkin, D. M., Whelan, S. L., Ferlay, J., Raymond, L., and Young, L. (eds). Cancer Incidence in Five Continents. II. IARC Scientific Publ. No. 143. Lyon, France: IARC, 1997.

    2. Hsing A. W., Tsao L., Devesa S. S. International trends and patterns of prostate cancer incidence and mortality. Int. J. Cancer, 85: 60-67, 2000.[Medline]

    26. Irvine R. A., Yu M. C., Ross R. K., Coetzee G. A. The CAG and GGC microsatellites of the androgen receptor gene are in linkage disequilibrium in men with prostate cancer. Cancer Res., 55: 1937-1940, 1995.[Abstract]

    27. Edwards A., Hammond H. A., Jin L., Caskey C. T., Chakraborty R. Genetic variation at five trimeric and tetrameric tandem repeat loci in four human population groups. Genomics, 12: 241-253, 1992.[Medline]
    ***

    hope this helps.

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  209. Just as a coda on Janka: his metaphors are too aggressive and too distancing. He refers to meeting a woman on the street as a “cold stop”, talks about being “aggressive” and a “warrior”, and encourages men to retain a certain amount of distance: “You’re protecting yourself, you won’t be excessively attached if she hurts you.” I prefer a lot of what Ross Jeffries uses to handle the same situations. There are warmer and friendlier ways to describe and think of the process–J. seems like the man who resents having to do any work at all, hence the douchiness–they make it too hard. All these women need to be GIVING me sex.

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  210. on November 14, 2008 at 9:56 am Married But Cool

    Roissy –

    Damn I enjoy your blog. The back and forth. I have never seen a site gather so many comments with such participation. I appreciate the free stimulation and entertainment. I don’t know where you get the energy to post so frequently. If you aren’t turning a dime on this, you should be.

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  211. This is just one study, but would support the observation that African Americans (both men and women) carry a higher portion of fat-free body weight as muscle. The study was done by obesity researchers.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11505469?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

    The other studies I found asked a related question about racial differences in testosterone levels, in the quest to explain differing racial incidences of prostate cancer. The results were inconstant.

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  212. Chicnoir, I agree Joan is hot. But, look at girls with say, the same body fat %. They don’t look like that. Even if women wanted to look like that, it’d be hard for them to work. Although the Mediterranean & Brazilians have their fair share of it.

    And what women want is laughably irrelevant, considering that so many of them fail and are fat anyway.

    Janka seems to have strong male friendships – he advises getting together with your male friends at least once a week, they are your rock. Women are unreliable sources of support.

    The PUAs who criticize Janka are effeminate pussies (eg, http://www.tenmagnet.com/2008/08/01/my-problem-with-paul-janka/ ), the ‘you have to love and respect women’ types. They object to Janka just fucking lots of women, unapologetically.

    Check out David X, he’s 100x the asshole Janka is. Don Draper of Mad Men is another great rolemodel.

    Attractiveness won’t help you close. You need confidence and experience to do that, and the raw belief that it’s ok to fuck a girl as soon as you like.

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  213. BasilRansom
    Chicnoir, I agree Joan is hot. But, look at girls with say, the same body fat %. They don’t look like that. Even if women wanted to look like that, it’d be hard for them to work. Although the Mediterranean & Brazilians have their fair share of it.

    I agree Basil, the hourglass figure is very rare. I would add Jewish women to the list of those with hourglass figures.

    the ‘you have to love and respect women’ types. They object to Janka just fucking lots of women, unapologetically
    The Janka types have ruined some very nice women. Those formally very nice women become bitter and hard over time.

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  214. “The Janka types have ruined some very nice women. Those formally very nice women become bitter and hard over time.”

    I’ll cosign.

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  215. Joe T saidI think there’s also a countervailing factor that has been described in many studies by doctors — that African American men have higher rates of hypertension (high blood pressure), and heart disease, than whites
    Joe T, I’ve read a number of studies the studies on Hyper tension among African-Americans also. You are right. On average, our BP is much higher than that of whites and Asians. A few years ago I read a book by the name of “the Microbiotic Diet” by Michio Kushi . His premise was, the health problems Americans face are largely the result of unhealthy eating patterns.

    He compared the health of Japanese men with that of Japanese-American men and found that Japanese-American men suffer the same health problems that all other Americans do when they covert to the average American diet.

    He also noted that African -American men have a very high rate of prostate cancer compared to other groups. He compared the rates of African-American men with African men from Angola. The rate of colon cancer among black men in Angola was much lower. He then mentioned a study among Angolan men living in America &/or first generation Angolan-Americans. The study found that the rate of colon cancer was as high among Angolan-American men as it is among African-American men.
    Anyway, he used the four groups to show that the American diet lacking in fruit and vegetables is the cause of most health problems American face.

    Joe T, I would really like to see a long-term study on overweight Americans who live abroad in places like Italy, France and Japan and adopt the local diet and mode of transportation (more cycling and walking). I can imagine if the study shows positive results, companies like Nabisco and the like will try to puncture as many wholes as they can in the findings.

    Roissy saidit’s as if you were to tell us that in your opinion the sky is purple, because you don’t like the color blue
    Actually, there is nothing offensive in saying that African-Americans are more muscular than other groups. I just don’t see a muscular difference between white Americans and African-Americans. It’s not a big deal to me. For some reason it has you worked up into quite a state.
    guess I will never be in your good graces
    .

    I guess I will never be in your good graces
    you can be if you
    just
    stop
    lying

    I don’t really care to be. Sorry but I am not a yes person.

    ps: i’m not asking you to make me happy. i’m telling you what you need to do to stop the pain i inflict upon you
    Cyber thugs don’t inflict pain.

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  216. Hello

    I bet they are a large part of the group who look a guy up and down then tell him to fuckoff. Even when I have very unattractive men approach me, I never curse them or tell them to get away from me. I just listen to what they have to say for a few minutes and wait for break in the conversation to mention that I have a boyfriend.

    The only reason a guy will get a rude response from me is if he approaches me in a sexual manner

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  217. Married But Cool:

    Damn I enjoy your blog. The back and forth. I have never seen a site gather so many comments with such participation. I appreciate the free stimulation and entertainment. I don’t know where you get the energy to post so frequently. If you aren’t turning a dime on this, you should be.

    I’ve been wondering myself about what kind of traffic Roissy is seeing.

    Roissy, care to share?

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  218. anony:

    This is just one study, but would support the observation that African Americans (both men and women) carry a higher portion of fat-free body weight as muscle. The study was done by obesity researchers.

    Isn’t this why blacks are disinclined towards swimming, i.e., less buoyancy?

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  219. Chic,
    It works like this: Charismatic alpha pumps and dumps beautiful girl, bitter beauty cruelly rejects average beta, bitter beta learns game and pumps and dumps average woman

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  220. Tupac

    that’s one of the reasons given but there is more to it than that.

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  221. @hello-
    You got it.
    That my dear is the train

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  222. I’ve been wondering myself about what kind of traffic Roissy is seeing.

    I’m amazed that Roissy hasn’t switched to self-hosting in order to monetize his work.

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  223. Pac,
    I like your new avatar. How can I get one w/o a blog?

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  224. EuroSabra, forget about Jewish girls. I’m of the tribe myself, very much so, in college, and my game doesn’t work on Jewish girls – they get sketched out because they’re sexually repressed…. I’ve heard of many Jewish sorority girls who just don’t fuck.

    hasn’t been my experience — always found Jewish girls pretty horny. But I don’t date sorority or JAP types, they drive me crazy. I just go with alternative/intellectual/artsy 6s.

    Come to think of it, almost all girls I date turn out to be pretty horny, or I don’t date them very long.

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  225. @hello simply go to wordpress.com and sign up. You can post a picture to your profile etc.

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  226. MQ:

    hasn’t been my experience — always found Jewish girls pretty horny. But I don’t date sorority or JAP types, they drive me crazy.

    It’s my limited understanding that there is quite a gulf between the JAP types and Israelis proper. Both in temperament and looks. Can anyone expand on this.

    I’ve only dated/banged a couple JAPs myself and that was enough for me.

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  227. For everyone who lives in the DC area, there are adult sports leagues that take things pretty seriously. Not just kickball. Look into alumni and work leagues. Also, the soccer leagues, and the pickup games across town. The VAST majority of people who play take sports/athletics seriously. These leagues are TONS of fun, a great workout, and a good way to meet people.
    -Grace.

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  228. chic:

    That my dear is the train

    No, my dear, THIS is the train:

    (Clio, don’t look)

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  229. “That my dear is the train

    No, my dear, THIS is the train:

    (Clio, don’t look)”

    *dead faint*

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  230. 😯

    screams

    *DEAD*

    *falls on top of hello*

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  231. @TC & MQ

    Israelis come from more diverse social classes than JAPs, and have a directly brusque confrontational manner instead of whiny passive-aggressiveness. They are VERY good at handling game, cutting it short if they don’t like you right away, or closing you themselves when they do, and I know Israeli women who prefer the MLTR or FWB because it leaves them their freedom. Looks-wise, Israelis are more genetically mixed and thus probably hotter, there is plenty of commentary on that at http://www.jewlicious.com and jdatersanonymous.com. For the last word on JAPs, check out the IJC blog. (For “Interchangeable Jewish Chick”). I have tried for a “best of both worlds” approach, mainly dealing with Euro-Israelis who have assimilated into American life–thus they are not totally foreign, but also middle-class enough not to be nose-job queens.

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  232. Eurosabra:

    Thanks for the info.

    Do you think Israelis are hotter in general than your typical Americanized Jew?

    (that’s what I’ve seen/observed)

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  233. the fact that such a good-looking man “needs” Game should tell you how hard it is to meet and attract women in NYC.

    um, no.
    just no.
    no.
    NO.

    running game in nyc is like shooting fish in a barrel, at least vis-à-vis running game here in the bay area.

    i was there for a short but blessed stint earlier this year. the best analogy i can conjure is that i felt as though i was running at sea level after having lived at 11,000 feet for years.

    fact:

    pretty-boy looks like janka’s will make approaching easy. they will NOT make it that much easier for janka to get laid, though, than for most other decent-looking guys. in fact, it’s highly likely that janka’s looks are more of a handicap: he probably hasn’t learned to close effectively.

    i know a few guys who look a lot like janka; not one of them is even halfway effective at running game. they have all settled for the 6’s and 7’s that throw themselves at them. two of them are now married to the very first 8-8.5’s who ever gave them an ioi.

    in fact, i would say there’s a “looks cliff” for men just as there’s an “iq cliff”. it’s not as steep, but i would bet money on a pua who’s a 7-8 on the male looks scale to pull over one who’s a 10.

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  234. that should say “hadn’t learned to close effectively”.
    although, given janka’s rather paltry conversion ratio, perhaps the present tense is apropos.

    but seriously people. never underestimate the power of inertia.
    it takes a very, very unusual man to ignore a slew of 7.5-8’s literally throwing themselves at him in order to chase a 10 with prospects that are at best uncertain.
    this is why precious few dashingly handsome men become top pua’s.

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  235. on November 15, 2008 at 9:32 am eternalingenue

    nose-job queens? are you speaking figuratively or do you prefer the Jewish schnozz au natural?

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  236. on November 15, 2008 at 9:54 am ironrailsironweights

    This is just one study, but would support the observation that African Americans (both men and women) carry a higher portion of fat-free body weight as muscle. The study was done by obesity researchers.

    Isn’t this why blacks are disinclined towards swimming, i.e., less buoyancy?

    Correct. Steve Sailer and John Entine, among others, have written about this issue. While blacks can learn to swim as well as anyone else, their lower buoyancy, which results from relatively more lean body mass and relatively less fat, makes learning to swim a sometimes frightening process. Many blacks therefore don’t even try, though of course there are economic factors as well.

    Blacks are said to account for a highly disproportionate share of non-alcohol-related adult drownings.

    Peter

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  237. @Tupac chopra:

    In general, that’s the verdict. It’s just a reflection of the fact that Israelis came from all over the world and then mixed, while American Jews came from Eastern Europe and then inbred.

    @johnny five

    My feeling was that day game in NYC was hell, and day game in the Bay Area an extra special kind of hell. I really, really do not like LA, and LA is a very friendly city. Of course, I am still in the situation of the noob who wants to do everything perfectly the first time, so paralysis by analysis.

    Re: Janka. So you are a purist then. I had to learn game to get 6s and 7s, and even now there are no guarantees. We can probably delve into all sorts of parts of my psyche as a result. I like Ross Jeffries’ view of approaching a bit better, but Janka’s CDs are a bit scattershot. He pushes rapport with questions, which works FOR HIM because of the looks. Hopefully his DVDs will be better.

    @eternalingenue

    Nothing beats the Glorious Natural Schnoz.

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  238. Eurosabra – from a fellow Tribe member: forget Jewish women.

    Most are ugly as hell, not to mention boring and sexually repressed nags.

    Jews are also very inbred from too much cousin-on-cousin action from back in Europe’s ghettos which makes them prone to all kinds of genetic disorders — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi#Specific_diseases_and_disorders

    Mix up your gene pool man and find you some non-Jewish women to fuck.

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  239. Non-tribe member here: I’m completely baffled by references to Jewish gals as “repressed.” WTF? Back in my single days I often found myself having flings with Jewish gals, largely because they were often bright, funny, comfortable with “culture” — and also because they were earthy, uninhibited, and comfy and even demanding about getting their lovin’. A lot of peasant heartiness crossed with tons of Daddy admiration seemed to result in girls who really liked to kiss and fuck. Quite a contrast to the heartland sandy blondes I grew up with, who were often sweet ‘n’ gooey, but much more fragile where sex was concerned. Now, the Jewish girls were often also neurotic as hell, demanding in ways I’d never before witnessed, and had high expectations about being cared for financially. But I wasn’t looking to settle down anyway. So when the craziness got too loud I just left. But there was loads of fun fucking before that happened. And, to be humble, I learned a lot (and disinhibted myself a lot physically) thanks to all these affairs with Jewish girls.

    Maybe Jewish girls open up to WASPy boys in ways they don’t to Jewish guys? I did seem to symbolize something to the Jewish girls — repressed and bright but also natively American, and full of promise, maybe? Something to hurl all that intensity against, in any case. And I do remember asking one Jewish g.f. about why she didn’t go with Jewish guys. “It’d be like fucking my brother,” she said.

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  240. As a shiksa I don’t have a dog in this fight, but let me say that among my Jewish girlfriends I have noticed that they’re either totally earthy and love sex or quite repressed and actively dislike sex. There’s no middle ground. So you just have to take the time and effort to look around for the good ones. Of course, this is a good maxim for dating in general.

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  241. That’s interesting. I ran into (or paid attention to, or found myself pursued by, or something) only the earthy ones, I guess. I wonder why the population of Jewish gals should divide up like that. Weird, though probably explicable.

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  242. Um, yeah, I’ve been on all four sides of that one (as the guy with the dysfunction with the normal girl, the normal guy with the dysfunctional girl, normal/normal and dysfunctional with dysfunctional.) Lately *I* am the twitchy one, and the chicks are in proper working order.

    I think you are getting at something but labeling it ethnic sexual dysfunction when it is simply something else: (Ashkenazi) Jews are so “brainy” that we are disproportionally $#^! at sexual signaling and at detecting arousal in others. And our formal mating rituals are so sclerotic that A)the chick across the table from me HAS to go through her checklist of social-status questions about my career/prospects and B)she can’t admit to herself (as a good-girl) that she wants sex on the table, NOW. Beta-provider-seeking plus internalized slut-shaming equals mutual dryness.

    The flip side of this is that male Jews are stereotyped as unsexy and in fact a subgenre of film has arisen to insist that “we are too”. Like everything Judd Apatow has ever written for Seth Rogen.

    I got really, really good at sex only to find that most Jewish girls were status-climbers, so my skillz were irrelevant, since they were attached neither to a wallet, a Benz, or a body that would cause insta-moistness, which is why I tend to seek out the earthy, nerdy types. It’s a bit of a toss-up, which is why you have to keep your eyes open. And the sensual ones seem to be disproportionately fat–go figure.

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  243. @Peter- Here is one thing that most non people don’t know about blks and swimming.

    Most blk women don’t swim because the chlorine destroys our hair. I am currently natural but when I was relaxed, there was no way you would get me in a pool. The chlorine and other chemicals used to clean “pool water” makes relaxed hair melt. Even those of us who are natural may want to avoid the water because the chemicals cause excessive drying to our hair. Furthermore, most of “our” hairstyles are a bit more intricate than a wash and go so I would not want to get my hair wet if I just spent an hour or more getting it to look just right.

    In the same way that blks took to golf and Tiger Woods and Tennis and Serena and Venus Williams*, you better believe that if blks win gold in the next Olympics, you won’t be able to keep blk kids out of the pool.

    The third thing people seem to forget is maybe blks just aren’t that interested in swimming? There are other sports that whites* enjoy but not many blacks participate in.

    *relaxed hair=chemically straightened hair

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  246. Most of the commenter’s here are obviously retards. It’s pretty much obvious that by virtue of their warped view of women and their bodies most of you have never been with a self respecting woman, fat or thin. So making any kind of hard and fast rules regarding women, their weight and or their future weight issues is ridiculous in the extreme. It would appear that I’ve stumbled across another internet nest of tards discussing subjects totally unrelated to their actual life realities.

    What a surprise.

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  247. Women have as their prime biological role the conversion of food into biomass. It’s what they do, what they HAVE to do for the species to continue.

    First, you inseminate them. Their bodies then support the fetus, the afterbirth, etc until birth. Then they eat to make milk for your little spawn.

    If they get fat it is because you ain’t inseminating them often enough! Barefoot and pregnant is one happy woman.

    That said, the last wife I looked at the mom and she was skinny. Her dad was a walking walrus. Guess which parent she GREW to resemble?

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