The United States Of Autoimmunity

The immune system of the United States of America has been sabotaged. It now fails to recognize its own cells within the body politic. The West has been conditioned like Pavlov’s creepier zombie dog to cannibalize itself when a PC platitude bell is rung.

So says godless capitalist (gc), in the comments section of perhaps the most rollicking and perspicacious post and comment thread on the internet in the past four years.

[…] The only way to maintain a holy lie is by persecuting the truth tellers. Such persecutors are not interested in the long term fate of Western Civilization, but only in short term stability. They are like people who “protect” a dying patient from the bitter medicine that will cause momentary discomfort but lasting remission.

The priest class which controls the media and which coordinated the attack on Watson and Summers is not making a hard decision to produce the greatest good for the greatest number. After all, they have promoted ideologies and policies like no-fault divorce and forced busing that have caused untold misery for millions. They care not about the plight of the vast majority of inhabitants of the country; they care about the stability of their sinecures. […]

But here’s the thing. You’ve seen hundreds or thousands of hours of footage of events in which rightist ideas of one stripe or another are causing harm to minorities. The Holocaust, My Lai, Bull Connor, the Japanese internment, Operation Wetback, Columbus, Guantanamo, etc. Literally trillions of dollars in capital investment has resulted in a reflexive, emotional association of rightist action by whites with mass murder in your mind. I know it has because I have the same association. How could you not, when you have been strapped into a chair with the Holocaust beamed into your eyes for the K-12 years and beyond?

But bear with me for a second and imagine what would happen if the polarities had been reversed, if the footage on TV was of the people manning the White Sea Labor Camps, of the Killing Fields and the laogai, of South African crime and Saudi Arabian fanaticism, of Mexican illiteracy and pre-Columbian savagery.

In short, imagine if the Blank Slate Asymmetry were inverted — if the footage were intended to spur the immune system of Western Civilization to action (and overaction) rather than to disable it. No doubt such a world would be blinkered and biased in many aspects…but it would in major respects be closer to reality.

It’s a vertiginous thing to even contemplate, because it makes you realize the extent of the unreality you’ve internalized. For example, everyone has been told — over and over and over again — that blacks are victims rather than victimizers when the reality is the complete opposite. The realization that the media has been lying to you comes too late, only when you or your loved ones have become the victims…only when your friend is lying dead on the ground and there is no TV camera to put falsehood before your lying eyes. […]

The whole point is that h-bd is the one determining aspect which is not publicly discussed. Of course marginal tax rates affect tax receipts. But so does IQ. Of course bilingual policy affects immigrant assimilation. But so does IQ. Of course the educational curriculum affects achievement. But so does IQ.

Yet IQ is the factor that cannot be publicly mooted, let alone debated. And as for the reason that it cannot be debated — that reason is even more doubleplusungood.

Anyway, by now it’s a moot point. These taboos are not going to change anytime soon. Civilizations *do* die. The West had a 500 year run in which it was characterized by being the most willing to jettison holy lies in favor of truth. That willingness to embrace truth, regardless of where it may lead, lead to world beating power and unmatched material wealth. And eventually, it lead to contentment, relaxation, and subsequent immunocompromisation.

In addition to the admission of millions of illiterate migrant workers, the West has now admitted groups that are in some respects symbiotes, but that have now well and truly sabotaged its immune system and its nervous system. Not just the Ashkenazim, but the South and East Asians as well — my people. If the numbers were manageable that would be one thing; the symbiotes might eventually be integrated into the host. But the numbers are not manageable. Everyone is now in the ethnic activism game, intent on suppressing the immune response and preventing frank discussion of truth.

“Ask not what you can do for your country, ask how the country can benefit your ethnic group”. Look at Racialicious or some of the posters on Sepia Mutiny for examples of this attitude; Racialicious in particular is written by a modern-day Torquemada.

Bottom line — like a man with a sabotaged immune system, the West can no longer make self/nonself distinctions:

At the heart of the immune system is the ability to distinguish between self and nonself. Virtually every body cell carries distinctive molecules that identify it as self.

And like a man with a damaged nervous system, the West’s internal perceptions are out of sync with the external reality. Consider a hand on a hot stove. It does not matter if the lowly epithelial cells are burned by the million if the nerve cells refuse to communicate this truth to the seat of conscious action.

Similarly, the media is the nervous system of a civilization. The signals it chooses to amplify, dampen, or interpret control the response of the body. If paralyzed, it matters not if the body is hale and hearty and theoretically capable of action. A malfunctioning nervous system will leave an otherwise healthy body jerking around in response to phantasms of racism — or directing its efforts against its own cells.

But sawing off heads is a bit of a chore. Parasites are not accustomed to exerting themselves if they can coerce a stand-in. My favourite character in Wilson’s The Insect Societies is Monomorium santschii. This species, over evolutionary time, has lost its worker caste altogether. The host workers do everything for their parasites, even the most terrible task of all. At the behest of the invading parasite queen, they actually perform the deed of murdering their own mother. The usurper doesn’t need to use her jaws. She uses mind-control. How she does it is a mystery; she probably employs a chemical, for ant nervous systems-are generally highly attuned to them. If her weapon is indeed chemical, then it is as insidious a drug as any known to science. For think what it accomplishes. It floods the brain of the worker ant, grabs the reins of her muscles, woos her from deeply ingrained duties and turns her against her own mother. For ants, matricide is an act of special genetic madness and formidable indeed must be the drug that drives them to it. In the world of the extended phenotype, ask not how an animal’s behaviour benefits its genes; ask instead whose genes it is benefiting.

Witness the reaction to Katrina: the fact that whites had to defend themselves against black looters somehow became an indictment of white racism. The obvious facts on the ground, the facts sensed by those lowly epithelial cells, were simply inverted by a compromised nervous system.

By selective signal amplification or damping one can make overlaps appear to be equalities. The signals exist — they need not be made up out of whole cloth. One need only turn up the volume on (say) poor migrant workers stranded in the desert and turn down the volume on (say) anchor babies to achieve the desired effect without obvious fingerprints.

…anyway, I’ve gone on long enough. The West’s time in the limelight is fast coming to an end; the West will be known for fractious infighting in the years to come, with the taboo looming above like a solar eclipse, with “decent people” tasked with blotting out truth for as far as the eye can see. Hate speech legislation will come to the US. Sensitivity demands it.

And as America continues its descent into Mexico Norte, I will mourn the civilization that produced Bach and Beethoven and Shockley and Watson. […]

I like this guy’s style.

Those of us who aren’t lying phoneyfucks and traitors mourn the passing of America. The gated community crowd, ever so vigilant to signal the proper moral pose to their SWPL and elite overlords, will carry on self-satisfied and haughty, as the cytokine storm consumes the body around them…

…until there is nothing left from which to feast.





Comments


  1. It’ll be interesting to see how many of our (elected) elitist overlords get kicked out in November. Sadly, there’s little that can be done by the non-elected ones in the press, in the universities, and in the media.

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  2. I was having trouble deciding if I was a Leg Man or a Tit Man, but I think I’m really more of an Eyes, Collarbone, Shoulder, and Back of the Neck Where the Little Wispy Hairs Meet the Nape Man.

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  3. Less politics more poon.

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  4. Sailer linked to your post on Zuckerberg’s girlfriend in his review of The Social Network. http://takimag.com/article/beyond_the_hubbub_of_aaron_sorkins_the_social_network/print

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  5. on October 5, 2010 at 11:46 am Another Omega

    As an omega male, what do I care about the decline of this society? I will relish its collapse.

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  6. In addition to smothering students with images of only so called “rightist” violence against minorities, we also mislead those students by making them think actors like the nazis or southern-segragationist were in some way conservative to begin with.

    THERE WAS NOTHING CONSERVATIVE, in the American sense of the word, ABOUT NAZI GERMANY.

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  7. Not again…. Let’s give credit were credit is due; you are the poon master, but that is all. Poon poon poon….

    Btw, My Lia was carried by a racially mixed platoon. It was a national tragedy, not a white one.

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  8. Sarcasticus, if you read this blog long enough you will understand the nexus between politics and poon.

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  9. “national tragedy” who the fuck cares if some vietnamese were killed

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  10. […] United States Of Autoimmunity The United States Of Autoimmunity Citizen Renegade interesting […]

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  11. Omega, you, for one, would welcome your new overlords.
    …and then reflect on the old times with a nostalgy.

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  12. Less politics more poon.

    Politics is the realm of Men.

    If you have no interest in it, go put on a dress and join the women.

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  13. Every post about the decline of the west should have a link “The Misandry Bubble”

    http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html

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  14. Dana, lo’ teer tsakh (thou shall not murder). There is a reason why it was one of the ten commandments. It does not matter that they were some Vietnamese. That this was used to vilify the whole US military is a different story, and is related to another commandment – lo’ tah ah neh v’ray ah kha ed sha ker (thou shall not bear false witness).

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  15. http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html

    This is a very good piece. And absolutely true IMHO.

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  16. It helps if you can form and shape their supple minds from ages 5 to 18. (22 if you count college.)

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  17. chauteau inc.

    The gated community crowd, ever so vigilant to signal the proper moral pose to their SWPL and elite overlords, will carry on self-satisfied and haughty, as the cytokine storm consumes the body around them…

    …until there is nothing left from which to feast.

    If there is no exaggeration meant in this statement, there is no point railing against The Fall. The wisest will plan for fleeing the inevitable Aftermath.

    You now have Warren Buffet and Bill Gates planning to use BILLIONS to feed, support and encourage the proliferation of useless brown masses.

    For willfully sabotaging and infecting their economic paradise with the terminal disease of Political Correctness, whites do not deserve to rule.

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  18. Well that was a chipper read– but I do prefer it to the male/female relationship dynamics doomsday posts.

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  19. on October 5, 2010 at 12:29 pm Cannon's Canon

    cheers to that commenter for sticking with the thread. i forwarded that gay-ass post to my buddy last week with the tagline “nerds will never get laid”.

    are cowen’s commentators more hip than he is? at mangan’s blog, game threads degenerate quickly into virgin nerd white-knighting indignant rhetoric.

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  20. on October 5, 2010 at 12:29 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    lozlozlozloozloz

    lotsa good books 2 read like the closing of the ameircn mind by allan bloom lzozlzlzl

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  21. At least with this blog we now have proof that game can overcome and compensate all handicaps, including being off the reservation. The tin foil hat can double as a peacocking prop.

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  22. White people are oppressed, conservatism is good. Got it.

    Now lets get back to talking about girls.

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  23. on October 5, 2010 at 12:34 pm Ari Hinkelberger

    Your posts have sucked as of late. I don’t come here for politics. Let’s get back to donkey punching whores and ball sacking blondes.

    Thanks

    Ari

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  24. Poor white people. They have it so bad. All of us brown folks want to murder them and take their stuff. Christ. On. A Crutch! With a shitty attitude like that what part of the solution do you think you are? Are you doing anything to make it better? Nope. Just moaning and hoping for death, not living and hoping for a better life. Some of us actually want a peaceful better life, but that can’t be the case because we aren’t white, just savages. LOL. This is why I’m a conservative but not a republican.

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  25. on October 5, 2010 at 12:39 pm Cannon's Canon

    whoa my bad, i somehow got linked to marginal revolution. peace to michael blowhard, i bet he gets laid, no homo

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  26. fuck off you idiots who cannot connect the dots between this post and posts about getting laid. It’s not the rest of our faults if you are too thick to see the obvious. If you are that desperate for another tidbit about how to get your pathetic ass laid, I doubt this blog can help you anyway.

    PC, Immigration, Feminism, Misandry, and Big Government are all intrinsically linked, and if you don’t understand that you’ll be just another tool.

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  27. what a steaming pile of sanctimonious turd.

    “waa waa. it’s so hard being white these days.”

    i hate bitching, whether it comes from blacks or whites, gays or straights, people born here or immigrants.

    be a man. stand on your own two feet. and stop trying to blame “the other” for all your problems.

    and get back to talking about poon.

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  28. Instead of this being the patient, thoughtful discussion about race, genetics and immigration which Micheal Blowhard seems to endorse in his original post, it seems already turned into a passionate propaganda contest.

    Accepting HBD is not the same as believing that Western Civilization is about to end. Accepting HBD is not the same as automatically believing that recent immigrants can’t assimilate into American culture — or that migrant workers are bad for the economy.

    It takes an awful lot of hubris to believe that you have the ability to forecast the future of an entire civilization. Even more hubris to believe that if someone disagrees with your forecast that they must not merely be mistaken but also “lying phoneyfucks and traitors”.

    In this particular neck of the blog o sphere, the political correctness has been turned happily on her head. If I argue that I believe migrant workers are good for the economy, an angry horde will often call me a stupid fool who can’t see the truth in front of my eyes and a traitor to my race and country — as opposed to say, debating the merits of my argument.

    gc makes a fair point when he says: “But here’s the thing. You’ve seen hundreds or thousands of hours of footage of events in which rightist ideas of one stripe or another are causing harm to minorities. The Holocaust, My Lai, Bull Connor, the Japanese internment, Operation Wetback, Columbus, Guantanamo, etc. Literally trillions of dollars in capital investment has resulted in a reflexive, emotional association of rightist action by whites with mass murder in your mind.”

    But while gc’s observation may point toward why the PC problem is so ingrained in contemporary Amercian culture — this observation does not give him a crystal ball on where recent immigration trends are leading Western Civilization.

    ultimately, gc’s comment is the emotional knee-jerk reaction of just another PC thug. Meet the new PC. Same as the old PC.

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  29. Hey, betacunts, politics comes with the alpha territory.

    You don’t have to know whats in the health care bill or know who leads who in what state election, but the big picture stuff like balkanization of America by poor minorities and rich socialists, over-regulation that prevents wealth accumulation and the faltering economy should be on every alpha’s list.

    Yeah, it doesn’t get you more poon, but if you want to survive the next 20 years to still get poon, hell maybe a harem if shit goes bad, then pay attention and be men, or shut the fuck up and continue to be whiny betas crying over a post trying to help you.

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  30. Consider yourself a hopeless beta if you’re complaining about the political commentary on this blog.

    I thought beta’s were supposed to be good at science and other academic stuff?

    Can’t you bitches see the parallel?

    Or are most betas like educated girls? Able to memorize and recite facts but never understand the connections between them?

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  31. to the “let’s go talking about girls” crowd.

    Can the man talk about the fuck he wants on his blog?

    Besides, part of getting poon is being a man, and being a man means being interested in politics.

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  32. This is pretty extreme.

    I agree with the tone, but not the extremity. But basically, there’s something to it.

    I just got back from Korea. A very self-defining society. And yet, the disease is spreading there, too. But the ability to resist is still pretty strong.

    The powers of liberal politics will get them, though, in the end. The elite there are as bad as ours, and actually basically connected to ours. Directly. Often by marriage/education/jobs. Or international companies. Actually, the elite in Korea, the cultural Elite, are intimately integrated into the world system. The art fucks there are pretty much the same art fucks over here.

    And we’ve lost our sense of purpose and identity. We’re becoming nothing more than a place. A place with deliberately nondescript people. People who won’t describe themselves.

    Sad.

    I feel sad about it. My family was always Ra Ra America.

    I may dislike some of the nationalisms I see around the world, but there’s one thing I can respect: they wear it without shame.

    We seem to be capable of nothing but shame, these days.

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  33. Who would have thought that many of the commenters here would cringe at the light as it gets shone upon them.

    You see the true nature of women as it is exposed by CR, and not the MSM. But somehow you swwallow hook-line-sinker the other lies fed to you by the same MSM.

    Irony indeed.

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  34. It matters not what our skin color is, men are men and we’re all being demonized by women. Feminists want us to fight amongst ourselves like this, so we stay divided.

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  35. Well, time for another plug…

    http://american3p.org/

    What do you have to lose at this point?

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  36. Sorry , he needs to bone up a bit on history
    most of his list of atrocities were committed by the left

    Nazi’s – National Socialists , Kennedy got us into Vietnam, LBJ escalated it , Bull Connor was a democrat . the Japanese internment was ordered by FDR.

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  37. I agree with almost everything this man wrote except for his defeatist attitude. While some days it can seem as if all is lost, the game aint over yet.

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  38. Paging Kevin MacDonald….

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  39. If paleo right wing nationalism is the future, the Roissysphere will have laid the foundations. That is our great hope for the reemergence of our once proud civilization.

    Feminism has destroyed us. Everything we value in society has been created by men, millions of them who slept well at night next to a woman who gave him happiness and contentment. Now, betas are celibate with no incentive to create and labor. Families are done and nothing but violence and chaos can restore order. Cash your chips boys, the end is near.

    I’ll be at the bar enjoying my hedonistic lifestyle while the world crumbles around me.

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  40. on October 5, 2010 at 1:19 pm the_alpha_male

    I never realized how much i miss godless until i came upon this post.

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  41. This blog, and game itself, is fundamentally about biology – namely, that there are innate biological differences between men and women, and to get laid, you have to accept this. Like it or not, it is also true that there are innate biological differences between people of different races.

    Our political culture, of course, is based on the assumption that there are no biological differences between men and women, or between people of different races. This has led to things such as Title IX and our current immigration policy (which has abandoned the country quotas of pre-1965 which favored immigrants from European countries).

    There’s actually quite a natural connection between “game” theory and the politics that this blog writes about. If you don’t accept the link, then explain why it’s wrong – don’t just tell people that they’re “wearing a tin hat.” If an idea must be dismissed without debate, it is most likely because that idea is true.

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  42. Wait, diversity is America’s greatest asset. So, it’s no big deal if you get your head chopped off, you weren’t an asset.

    Luckily, the liberals’ dream of destroying America via economic ineptitude may clash with their dream to dash its history and culture from the books, as the cytokines? and other immigrants unconcerned with our history will just leave if there’s no $ to be had here.

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  43. on October 5, 2010 at 1:22 pm Rollo Tomassi

    Kicking and screaming will the old mindsets be dragged into the future called Globalization.

    Sooner than you think the whole world will (for better or worse) be one big multi-racial melting pot. Which present culture will dominate, define and homogenize the new globalized culture is still up for grabs, but present conflicts will end with a victor creating that cultural template. Gone will be any sense of regional, cultural or racial identity, all to be replaced by corporate affiliation under a single unitary “free market” currency. Nationalism, racism, culturalism, all replaced by corporatism. In the future, no one will care if you were Mexican, Chinese, Asian, African or American – they’ll only differentiate by which company owns your village.

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  44. Politics is the realm of the dim.

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  45. Danger, the big lies are harder to let go of.

    TMQ, if you have a giant chunk of spinach in your teeth, and someone informs you of it, are they wrong for that? Are they trying to harm you or help you?

    Back in the day, when people insisted that Black people weren’t as smart as Whites, even though they meant it in a way that went beyond systemic type intelligence, what did we do? We had hard core schools that would make a Catholic cringe.

    So you ended up with Black people who were better educated and functioning well despite their, at the time, crappy circumstances. Now, because it has become near criminal to imply that there are any racial differences, a higher proportion of Black people in the U.S. are not working and undereducated.

    Psychologically coddled people don’t perform well, and people who have that and a lower IQ, plus being in a bad financial situation to start with, will be screwed.

    The man didn’t say that every single Black person on the face of the Earth is unintelligent. He was talking about statistics and averages in an aspect of thinking that does have a major bearing on perception, and how certain policies are going to play out in real life.

    People do need to stop panicking and taking every criticism or observation as a call to fire up the ovens.

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  46. This blog, and game itself, is fundamentally about biology – namely, that there are innate biological differences between men and women, and to get laid, you have to accept this. Like it or not, it is also true that there are innate biological differences between people of different races… There’s actually quite a natural connection between “game” theory and the politics that this blog writes about. If you don’t accept the link, then explain why it’s wrong – don’t just tell people that they’re “wearing a tin hat.”

    i do not accept the link and the simplest way to explain why it’s wrong is to point out that sex is a discrete category and race is not.

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  47. Ah yes, chicks dig the political talk and only uptight conservatives who think the end of the world is at hand ‘cuz of them lousy brown people can understand game. Thanks for setting me straight, real men.

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  48. Yeah, BDS. We just love mealy mouthed liberals who ask us if we’ll roger them with a dildo within the first ten minutes of conversation.

    I’ll help you get in touch with your feminine side, if you’re pretty enough.

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  49. Society, liken to trees in a forest is symbolic for eternal and indestructible life force. Like deciduous forests, societies will undergo their seasonal cycles of falling and growing leaves…..however, new growth will sprout from the base of burnt or cut trunks.

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  50. White people are hated because most minorities have an inferiority complex, it’s that simple. It’s based on looks and intelligence, that why so few minorities can assimilate in America, the rest of them can’t because of their looks and intelligence. I’ve been around like damn near every race on the planet since I was a child, so I know what I’m talking about. Black/Latin people hate whites because of their looks and intelligence. Asians hate whites because of looks and white men get more respect for being masculine even though Asians have higher IQ, the Indians (East Asian) feel the same way. Minorities stick together in the US because most of them cannot hang by themselves here. The “Race Issue of the United States” is that most people who are minorities shouldn’t be here.

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  51. Starve a troll, feed a reader.

    Off topic.

    Just sayin’.

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  52. Pffft. Yep, two populations in this world: tough guy conservatives and shrinking violet liberals. Dumb.

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  53. i do not accept the link and the simplest way to explain why it’s wrong is to point out that sex is a discrete category and race is not.
    —————————————————————

    Race is not a discrete category because people mix and intermarry. But that doesn’t mean that you can’t draw conclusions about different people based on the historical origin of their haplogroups. Up until a few hundred years ago, population groups were largely isolated; it was only with colonization and globalization that race became a much fuzzier concept.

    But regardless, you still see things like American blacks having an IQ somewhere between American whites and sub-saharan Africans. Which is what you would expect, given the rates of intermarriage (or unfortunately rape) that resulted in black-white genetic mixing in the US.

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  54. i hate bitching, whether it comes from blacks or whites, gays or straights, people born here or immigrants.

    be a man. stand on your own two feet. and stop trying to blame “the other” for all your problems.

    This is my favorite non-white (or fag white) “gamer” argument. Yeah, it’s sooo “alpha” to take abuse! It’s sooo manly to “suck it up” and bow down to defamation like some bitch.

    LOL.

    Don’t most of you guys worship blacks? Yeah, THERE’S the model of “alpha political stoicism,” lol.

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  55. The craven naivete of Liberal posters here feigning “misunderstanding” is deliberate, dumbed-down ignorance – the ultimate fruit of their own propaganda.

    Not comprehending the comparison between the current, crumbling USA and its former greatness means there will never be accord between Liberals and all they seek to oppress.

    That is why Civil War is the only solution to silencing stupidity.

    Re-education through eradication.

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  56. Sex is only a “discrete” category because leftists want it to be (but only WHEN they want it to be); for purposes of unfavorable comparison to race, suddenly the chicks with dicks fade away…

    Never seen anyone get a “race change” op…

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  57. Superb piece.

    And of note –

    Back in the day, “Alpha Males” weren’t characterized by a bunch of pick-up artists fruitlessly dumping their D.N.A. into non-reproducing, chemically-sterile receptacles. They were real “men”, and when they engaged in sex, the women with whom they shared their “precious bodily fluids” reproduced their offspring. Shockingly, our predecessors raised their offspring together with an interest in the end result being men and women of character, imbued with strong moral fiber combined with broad-based intellectual prowess as well.

    This current characterization of what constitutes an “Alpha” is a joke, being little or no better than the feckless females they so righteously denigrate. An “Alpha” with no offspring? An “Alpha” who cannot lead? Try that in a wolf pack. Ye shall be eaten.

    Patton – Alpha. MacArthur-Alpha. David Hackworth – Alpha. Washington – Alpha. Those who claim to be “Alpha” today” Please.

    And yes, engagement in “politics” is manliness, and all you who disagree, even those of you who preen in front of the mirror and think you are God’s Gift to whores had better wake up. If you haven’t noticed, it is deep political engagement by females, blacks, messicans and every other “interest group” as well as the monied elite that has turned all of you into Beta-boys, depite your proclamations to the contrary.

    An “Alpha Male” does not sit paralyzed while what truly matters is stolen from him right in front of his eyes. He has the mind of a warrior and raises warriors. Bar-fly D.N.A. dumpers are as far from that reality as one can get.

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  58. Raliv,

    That’s true. The rise of modern feminism unleashed madness on the world. Some of these she-beasts, such as Andrea Dworkin are walking parodies, yet they were listened to in the highest quarters.

    The elites have led the West to its ruin. But Alphas, Betas and Omegas, all of us, are left holding the bill.

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  59. so apparently my only two choices are multicultural tribalism and leftist totalitarianism or white nationalist tribalism and conservative authoritarianism.

    i choose neither, but you guys have fun with all the bitter white guy talk. it’s real alpha.

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  60. Second Raliv.

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  61. “Not comprehending the comparison between the current, crumbling USA and its former greatness ”

    why do you think the USA is crumbling or that it isn’t as great as it was in the past?

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  62. @jr

    We little people never get a choice of what we live under. Never. So stop bitching, asswipe. You deal with what you’re given. Unless you can organize a revolution that’ll backfire and bring about a communist regime, like most “popular revolts” end up doing, then just adapt and thrive.

    Oh, and quit bitching.

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  63. Harmonica, seeing yourself as a “little person” is part of the problem. You have a mouth and apparently fingers to write with. Make yourself heard.

    When the media is not working in your interest, become the media.

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  64. on October 5, 2010 at 2:11 pm Ascending Alpha

    This guy is completely right. Every group of leeches who are sucking the life blood out of America have a voice, but not the hard working citizens.

    Oh well, Instead of worrying about the impending disaster, I am just going to go out and get laid.

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  65. Nicole,

    I absolutely agree.

    What I find most amusing is how we can all make statements about how black c0cks are giant, which is endorsed and repeated back by the Black community (go figure)…….but make an educated statement based on statistics in regards to intelligence and suddenly it becomes a “racist” issue.

    I don’t hate blacks, I have black friends that I see on a regularly basis. Hell one of my regular girls was mulatto. I just find it typical to embrace a “pro” racial generalization and reject a “con” based on the premise of racism. Welcome to the new definition of bigotry.

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  66. We little people never get a choice of what we live under. Never. So stop bitching, asswipe. You deal with what you’re given.

    what i’ve been given is citizenship in the most successful society the world has ever known. and yet i constantly surrounded by people whining about how they are victims of some conspiracy.

    i deal with it just fine. i love my life. it’s just funny to hear people engage in bitter histrionics. if you changed the pronouns on some of the comments here, you wouldn’t know that you weren’t reading feministing or jezebel.

    all that being said, there are some very smart and interesting people who post here. i do fear, however, that many of them have stopped reading and posting, perhaps due to the more recent editorial direction.

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  67. John

    An “Alpha” with no offspring? An “Alpha” who cannot lead? Try that in a wolf pack. Ye shall be eaten.

    You falsely compare current American social realities (tainted by PC politics) to animals – when society is not even yet as close to Neolithic tribalism.

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  68. I’m still waiting for Roissy to discuss the implications of the Duke slut and her documented quest for alpha-cock.

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  69. A LITTLE SECRET: ASIANS/WHITES

    The average IQ difference between Asians and Whites is .5 STDV.

    NOTE
    This is between all “whites” and NE Asians. They rarely include (many) Philippinos, Cambodians or Thais. They almost always include S. Europeans among “white”.

    When you compare ONLY N European whites and NE Asians, there’s almost no difference. That’s consistent with most personal observations, too: sexual restraint is the same, artistic skills seem to be not only at the same levels, but the same, distribution of abilities, relative economic performance, etc.

    So this tree:

    Asian
    White
    Black

    Actually hides some serious differences in the relations between them.

    Asian-White are relatively comparable, especially if you take N European / NE Asian. There are few real, hard-core differences. Note that intermarriage between these two groups is increasingly common and not usually beset by any serious cultural or hereditary issues.

    VERBAL/ANALYTICAL INTELLIGENCE

    Note that Verbal intelligence tends to be .5 STDV higher among the same white populations than it is among Asians — and analytical is .5 STDV higher for Asians than the same white populations.

    So it’s more like a +.5 STDV in *one* way for Asians, +.5 STDV for N European Whites in *another* way.

    Then note historically that the brilliant civ builders were S. European, and it gets odder. But whatever.

    So the *actual* on-the-ground difference between whites/Asians is minor.

    ALSO

    There may be more White *Outliers* than Asian outliers. Meaning, more stupid/aggressive white people, but far more genius white people, too. There’s something to this: Look at the faculty of colleges and the highest-performing scientists and engineers at the very top of their fields. The innovators, the thinkers and the creators are still, by and large, white, even in that rarefied world. Asians notice this.

    The same is true in the arts.
    Asians: More brilliant, dedicated musicians. Very good professionals and composers.
    But for weird, extreme talent, white/N Indians on the extreme right-hand tail still outnumber Asians.

    SO THE MORE SENSIBLE TREE for IQ:

    1) +/- NE Asians, +/- N. Whites

    2) +/- Asians, +/- Other Whites


    3) E. Africans (1 full STDV lower)

    4) Africans / Blacks (1-1.5 STDV lower)

    Now for athletic ability, note that this tree almost perfectly reverses.

    EXCEPT

    That whites are MUCH more physically capable, as a group, than Asians. The variation between them and Asians physically is far greater than the IQ variation.

    Also note that the performance of blacks athletically is truly remarkable, by comparison.

    Why no-one has suggested breeding and selecting for all of these traits and producing truly superior humans using the best traits of all of these groups, the same way we do it with other animals, is somewhat odd. Unless these traits are mutually exclusive, ie, some Black disease/aging resistance versus IQ, more conformist behavior that seems to transcend culture among Asians versus sexual/social dominance among whites/blacks, … etc. – unless these are mutually exclusive zero-sum games, …

    You could conceivably breed very athletic, disease-resistant, long-lived, healthy humans with few genetic defects and heightened IQ, creativity, analytical skills and social adaptability, as well as increased sexual and mate attraction power.

    Why not?

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  70. Svigor said:

    “This is my favorite non-white (or fag white) “gamer” argument. Yeah, it’s sooo “alpha” to take abuse! It’s sooo manly to “suck it up” and bow down to defamation like some bitch.

    LOL.

    Don’t most of you guys worship blacks? Yeah, THERE’S the model of “alpha political stoicism,” lol.”

    It’s funny that black people tell anyone to suck it up. If there were no Rap/R’N’B/NBA/NFL/Affirmative Action, blacks would be screwed in this country. Everything they have was given to them.

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  71. Ya got that right, we do mourn in black nail polish b/c this is post America.

    One of these days, the “innocent patriots” will be jailed, lied on and/or killed. Paranoid Ranting? Fine then. We shall see which behavior is rewarded: the behavior of ass kissing/ dependency or the behaviors of quiet independent liberty.

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  72. Interestingly, Godless Capitalist, who was one of the first Internet HBDers, was also an early adapter of PUA methodologies. (I’m talking way back, circa 2003-2004)

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  73. even using “murder” in the context of war is ludicrous morsel

    here’s some more hebrew for you

    l’mtzotz hazayin shelli

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  74. And when TSHF, feminists wont survive * They ain’t tough enough * they are weak needful failures.

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  75. AHE

    why do you think the USA is crumbling or that it isn’t as great as it was in the past?

    duhhh. You just yet again illustratively proved this astute, Wise Man presciently correct:

    “The craven naivete of Liberal posters here feigning “misunderstanding” is deliberate, dumbed-down ignorance – the ultimate fruit of their own propaganda.”

    – or you’re just a damned troll.

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  76. l’mtzotz hazayin shelli

    ouch

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  77. Firepower,

    Why do you think it is so obvious that the USA is crumbling?

    Is it because you can’t think for yourself and are just repeating what others are saying?

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  78. AHE

    Firepower,

    Why do you think it is so obvious that the USA is crumbling?

    Is it because you can’t think for yourself and are just repeating what others are saying?

    well, I want to repeat that everyone wants you to suck my cock

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  79. OH NOES, OUR MEDIA IZ TEH AIDZ!!!

    The stand-out aspect of Godless Capitalist’s rambling comment is that he can’t decide whom he hates more: Black people or Mexicans.

    Ranting about an anthropomorphized “the media” as if it were some cohesive, coherent and monolithic entity is hackneyed as hell, and totally useless other than as a foil for a given ideology (or ethnic/racial/gender class) which has been “victimized” by it. Bear in mind that radical feminists describe it the same way when they howl about “the media’s” depiction of women or its dereliction of women’s concerns. In both respects, its a puerile foot-stomping, pants-shitting admission of impotence and bears no resemblance to reality. It just gets you laughed at.

    So the fuck what if some conflict-driven (i.e. capitalistic) media outlet puts on Al Sharpton to bitch about some injustice, or to be used as a punching bag ? Why do you fucking care?

    Got a news flash for ya: The American media ain’t an ethics panel. Its a goddamn business, and a big one at that. What matters is eyeballs on tubes, butts in seats, dollars in hands.

    The New York Times can remind you on a daily basis that you’re a lowlife conservative scumbag, and The National Review can reassure you that you’re a patriotic Galtian hero, but neither can disseminate these views without good old fashion cash flow. Main difference is the NYT is an actual business that attempts to generate a profit, while NR, like the Washington Times, is a recipient of large donor largess — you know, charity, to keep Jonah Goldberg in today’s latest fatboy fashions.

    This simple concept is why Roger Ailes hired Glenn Beck. The man is a revivalist preacher snake oil salesman, and goddamn can he sell that snake oil. He’s 2010’s version of Joseph Smith minus the harem of teenage brides — that is, no real reason to emulate him. But if you want to see 46 minutes of unmitigated, unrestrained paranoia interspersed with commercials for geriatrics, well, there’s no better place than Glenn’s show.

    Horse-shit & Hoverounds. And Murdoch laughs all the way to the bank.

    You do a lot of talking about how much technology has altered Womanhood, and thus, dating in Western society, and you’re right. But what you never acknowledge is that all of this technology, whether its safe abortion or the Pill or social networking, exists to fulfill a demand. Its the free market, identifying a desire, and satisfying it through innovation, while turning a profit. Its Capitalism, baby.

    Making a buck. Its what brought African slaves to the New World, Mexicans to California strawberry fields, and fertility-regulated sluts into our beds.

    So bemoan the presumed fall of Western Civilization but give credit where credit is due. Quit flailing at “the media,” or quoting those that do, especially dipshits from 3 year old blog posts. That guy has probably gone suicidal-Galt since our first Kenyan president stole the election, anyway.

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  80. Folks,

    It’s not about race – it’s about different cultures. Western culture has been the driving force of human achievement since the 1300s. The trouble is that our culture has suffered a catastrophic, and self-inflicted, loss of confidence. This can be seen in everything from the decline of our religions (Christianity and Judaism in particular); the increasingly popularity of bizarre New Age thought with its glorification of the feminine and the Eat Pray Love ethic; the war of feminists on men and boys; and the increasing socialization of the state.

    This decline affects us all, regardless of our color. Personally, I think we should avoid the Occidental Quarterly discussions on race, and focus on the real enemy – those who have ruined our civilisation. Personally, I think the fightback begins in November, when Harry and Nancy are kicked out of the top jobs in congress.

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  81. @jr

    Yes, we are the most successful country in the world, right now. But we won’t be for much longer and this is due, in part, because of short sighted people like you who can barely hold a political thought. Our social system is going bankrupt. Society is falling apart multiple no-fault divorces at a time. Single mothers are killing future leaders of men (look at Obama’s false ego, no doubt built up by his “awww you’re such a good boy” commie mother).

    I had New American syndrome too when I moved, but you have to realize that by the time you’re dead, you’ll be a “bitter” man as well. More so because you couldn’t see the downfall coming. I’m a proud American happy to live in the greatest country on the planet. I’m also realistic to realize that this won’t last forever. The global economy is unsustainable in its current form and the fracturing of the New World Order (the post-Cold War peace between the major powers, not the tin foil hat guys) will bring on at least a decade or more of major conflict between nations. China-Iran-Russia vs US, EU vs Russia, China vs Russia, China vs US, etc.

    Enjoy the stability. It won’t last.

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  82. Patrick,

    You’re missing the point. The current trends such as abortion and the pill will destroy the capitalist system if left unchecked. Already the demographic situation in Western Europe can be mildly described as catastrophic.

    I’m no fan of Glen Beck either, but you’re wrong about the American media too. To a large extent they’re in the tank for liberalism. Indeed, Newsweek has ran itself into bankruptcy in the name of progressivism. They’re not so much ruled by the reasonable desire for the dollar as to rule other people’s lives. And apart from Fox (NR and the Weekly Standard are niche publications) the media is overwhelmingly liberal in outlook.

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  83. Firepower,

    “well, I want to repeat that everyone wants you to suck my cock”

    proving my assertion above that the politics on this site tends to be another form of PC thinking. if someone doesn’t subscribe to your political beliefs, they must be lying cocksuckers.

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  84. on October 5, 2010 at 2:45 pm Cannon's Canon

    why do you think the USA is crumbling or that it isn’t as great as it was in the past?

    well… since you ask…

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  85. @ Cap’n bob

    Case in point, MSNBC just revamped its message specifically for people of “progress”. All its ads are full of multi-cultural, anti-American phrases now. They’re not even trying to hide it a bit.

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  86. Patrick

    OH NOES, OUR MEDIA IZ TEH AIDZ!!!

    Ranting about an anthropomorphized “the media” as if it were some cohesive, coherent and monolithic entity is hackneyed as hell, and totally useless other than as a foil for a given ideology (or ethnic/racial/gender class) which has been “victimized” by it.

    Yep – the last time I watched, BOTH Liberal and Conservative sides were repped equally and without bias.

    So the fuck what if some conflict-driven (i.e. capitalistic) media outlet puts on Al Sharpton to bitch about some injustice, or to be used as a punching bag ? Why do you fucking care?

    Hmm. I’ll take a wild guess and say cuz it’s never blacks or liberals held up as the punching bags.

    hmm. wonder why that is.

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  87. It’s not about race – it’s about different cultures. Western culture has been the driving force of human achievement since the 1300s. The trouble is that our culture has suffered a catastrophic, and self-inflicted, loss of confidence. This can be seen in everything from the decline of our religions (Christianity and Judaism in particular);

    Pagin Kevin MacDonald…..

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  88. Cee, there’s the line. Blacks were shit on so badly in U.S. history, that anything that is “given” to us just balances things out. The thing is, we weren’t the only ones getting shit on. Everybody poor shared some of the shit. Not even all the slaves were African.

    Black people are still disporportionately singled out now, because of visible differences, and stereotypes or generalities, so it’s not like everything is okay. I’m just saying that because of this, a Black person shouldn’t take criticism and commentary as the beginning of an extermination campaign.

    …same as White people shouldn’t see every success of a Black person as taking something away from them. Well, no more than they should see the success of someone of recent Polish or Russian ancestry as such.

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  89. AHE

    Firepower,

    “well, I want to repeat that everyone wants you to suck my cock”

    proving my assertion above that the politics on this site tends to be another form of PC thinking. if someone doesn’t subscribe to your political beliefs, they must be lying cocksuckers.

    *sniff*
    …And ONLY when they are the same as nazis or redcoats – defeated and dead lying cocksuckers – will I feel Peace.

    now, give me a hug

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  90. Cannon’s Canon

    why do you think the USA is crumbling or that it isn’t as great as it was in the past?

    well… since you ask…

    OK, go ahead.
    Just limit your response to 2,800 pp. or so.
    Just enough so morsel-O and what can continue to efuck

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  91. Ranting about an anthropomorphized “the media” as if it were some cohesive, coherent and monolithic entity is hackneyed as hell,

    Did you hear Jon Stewart Person Elliot Spitzer just got a new show at CNN?

    The New York Times can remind you on a daily basis that you’re a lowlife conservative scumbag, and The National Review can reassure you that you’re a patriotic Galtian hero

    lol. The difference between the 2 rags is much less than you think. Paging Kevin MacDonald….

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  92. yeah, the boo-hoo response. How bad do you want it to be before you care about it? White Dhimmitude, Jim Crow, Zimbabwe? Your white guilt is going to end up hurting your friends, family, and yourself.

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  93. Simon

    Poor white people. They have it so bad. All of us brown folks want to murder them and take their stuff. Christ. On. A Crutch! With a shitty attitude like that what part of the solution do you think you are? Are you doing anything to make it better?

    How about agitating for an end to winking and nodding at the mass immigration of Mexicans and Central American our elites then turn around and give affirmative action to? We should end all mass immigration, illegal and legal alike, from populations we give affirmative action to.

    We should land mine the border, with plenty of publicity in Mexico and Central America, and mark it with a cheap low fence with tons of signs in Spanish and English.

    We should deport illegals, anchor babies or not, unless their parents agree to their adoption by adult citizens.

    Yeah we should stop allowing our elites, lead most shrilly and insistently by Jews (whether they’re on the left, right or center) on the de defacto almost zero immigration restrictions issue, to effectively replace the European white majority of this country with heavily Amerindian Mexican and Central American peasants.

    GC or godless capitalist, who’s a hindu heritage South Asian genetics scientist, is right.

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  94. It’s not about race – it’s about different cultures.

    Race is the hardware, cutlreu is the software. You can’t entirely separate the two.

    GC makes some good points but like many very smart writers, he falls too much in love with his metaphors and gets waaaay too fatalistic. The West is run by a destructive elite, but what he doesn’t account for is the self-correcting tendency of things.

    For one, a generaltional succession of elites is inevitable, as peopel age, retire and die. Ideological continutity, on the other hand, is not a guaranteed.

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  95. Out at CNN: Rick Sanchez for complaining about Jon Stewart Persons.

    In at CNN: Jon Stewart Person (and disgraced whoremonger and adulterer) Eliot Spitzer.

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  96. Wariner is back, after LaShawn tried to grow his dick with steroids. Wariner is back. LeMaistre breaks 10.0 at 19 years of age. White, non Jew Brits wins nobel in medicine.

    White pride!

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  97. j r

    i hate bitching, whether it comes from blacks or whites, gays or straights, people born here or immigrants.

    You’re a brainwashed nerdy moron. Always have been around here.

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  98. Nicole said:

    “Cee, there’s the line. Blacks were shit on so badly in U.S. history, that anything that is “given” to us just balances things out. The thing is, we weren’t the only ones getting shit on. Everybody poor shared some of the shit. Not even all the slaves were African.”

    I know this, I have relatives that were in the civil rights movement. Black people need to shut up and be thankful, because honestly the only people in the world who care about them are white people, and black people think that white people are physical representations of Satan. Liberals need to be done away with because they preach lies. They are part of the reason why the country is screwed. They tell the minorities that they are equal to whites and they see that they are not, so they get upset.

    “Black people are still disporportionately singled out now, because of visible differences, and stereotypes or generalities, so it’s not like everything is okay.”

    They need to understand that that isn’t racism, that’s human nature. Most white people don’t find blacks attractive, maybe except for wiggers and mudsharks. Fine, if you hate that, go to Africa or something where you will be treated like gods, no one is telling you to stay here except for the liberals/elite who are using black people as pawns.

    “…same as White people shouldn’t see every success of a Black person as taking something away from them.”

    Majority of Blacks are successful at the expense/because of whites. Affirmative Action? Who buys rap the most? etc. If these things were not the case, the majority of blacks would be screwed.

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  99. “Cee, there’s the line. Blacks were shit on so badly in U.S. history, that anything that is “given” to us just balances things out.”

    Oh please. Would you rather your ancestors have not been enslaved? Or that they had been shipped to Haiti — the second oldest republic in the West Hemisphere — black run for 200 runs and a sh*thole.

    A certain number of blacks, maybe 50 percent or so, can do alright if surrounded by a large number of whites — I’d imagine Asians would work to, but Asians are too smart to try it. But once a country, city, county, province or whatever tips to, say, 35% black, with blacks in control — that’s all she wrote.

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  100. jr–

    i do not accept the link and the simplest way to explain why it’s wrong is to point out that sex is a discrete category and race is not.

    True but unimportant, moron.

    Non binary differences matter too moron.

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  101. PRCalDude

    Out at CNN: Rick Sanchez for complaining about Jon Stewart Persons.

    He’s out for somewhat obliquely noting the preponderance of Jon Stewart type people (liberal Jews) pulling the real strings as producers and otherwise behind the scenes at CNN and everywhere else in network media. He also noted the scarcity of people like him (Hispanics) in such positions but that alone wouldn’t remotely have gotten him fired.

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  102. Speaking of Eliot Spitzer, its worth mentioning, and commending his wife, Silda Wall, for some post-scandal politically incorrect honesty behind her husband’s penchant for going on the bone patrol with whores:

    “The wife is supposed to take care of the sex. This is my failing; I wasn’t adequate,”

    This frank and refreshing admission of germane context made radical feminists act like they’ve been stabbed in the back, ESPECIALLY from a woman who managed to keep her surname from patriarchal debauchment.

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  103. Doug1

    He’s out for somewhat obliquely noting the preponderance of Jon Stewart type people (liberal Jews) pulling the real strings as producers and otherwise behind the scenes at CNN and everywhere else in network media.

    Nothing like getting fired by behind the scenes Jewish media string-pullers to convince Der Staat that there’s no such thing as behind the scenes Jewish media string-pullers says I…

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  104. i choose neither, but you guys have fun with all the bitter white guy talk. it’s real alpha.

    Indeed. When smacked in the mouth, “alphas” (you guys and your jargon, lol) always “suck it up.”

    This is precisely what blacks do, right? Er, no. A race of betas?

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  105. I had New American syndrome too when I moved, but you have to realize that by the time you’re dead, you’ll be a “bitter” man as well.

    no. i won’t.

    i’m really not into bitterness. and i find other people’s bitterness to be much more entertaining than upsetting. that’s why having somone like doug call me an idiot three times makes me smile.

    i will say this: it has been interesting watching this blog go from being a consistantly interesting forum on game and gender relations to this den of white nationalist insanity. it’s sort of a shame, but oh well.

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  106. cap’n bob

    The trouble is that our culture has suffered a catastrophic, and self-inflicted, loss of confidence.

    It wasn’t broadly self inflicted. It’s genesis was in the Frankfort School’s cultural Marxism. You’ve just restated their mission statement. They fled Germany for NYC and California in the 1930s after Hitler came to power. They really emerged in the 1960s as the New Left (aka “red diaper babies”, i.e. the generally Jewish core leadership often having old left communist parents) and second wave feminists.

    America had oodles of self confidence after WWII, through the 50s and for the most part the 60s. But the New Left came to intellectual elite heavy influence in the 1960s. Revisionist history seeking to demonize white Americans without any reasonable comparison to other groups and nations emerged and even in somewhat diluted form became standard down in grade school, junior high and high school. Scagewa (sp, can’t be bothered to look up her unimportant name) became far more important than Lewis and Clark or the President who engaged them to do their exploration, which is ridiculous. She was a translator.

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  107. *Sacagawea phonetically.

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  108. no. i won’t.

    i’m really not into bitterness. and i find other people’s bitterness to be much more entertaining than upsetting. that’s why having somone like doug call me an idiot three times makes me smile.

    Doug is nothing but a paper tiger and an aging, shrill hetero queen. When he insults you it means you probably made a good coment.

    It’s hilarious to see how important he’s convinced himself he is around these parts. He hijacks Roissy’s threads like some type of authority rather than creating his own blog, which would force him to realize that no one cares what he thinks because it would get zero hits.

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  109. Patrick–

    Ranting about an anthropomorphized “the media” as if it were some cohesive, coherent and monolithic entity is hackneyed as hell, and totally useless other than as a foil for a given ideology (or ethnic/racial/gender class) which has been “victimized” by it. Bear in mind that radical feminists describe it the same way when they howl about “the media’s” depiction of women or its dereliction of women’s concerns. In both respects, its a puerile foot-stomping, pants-shitting admission of impotence and bears no resemblance to reality. It just gets you laughed at.

    Ridiculous.

    Tell me which mainstream media outlet with a wide circulation would print gc’s remarks as a guest editorial or column, or allow him to say such things uncensored in an interview.

    The media does enforce PC and yes it does it with co-ordination in any difficult cases.

    You’ve read up on how the Journolist list server network of journalists at various news outlets brainstormed together about the best ways of defending candidate Obama from the news about his long association with that blatantly racially bigoted race hate fomenting pastor of the candidate, did you?

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  110. Look, these immigrants were brought here, and in other countries, by lefties in order to flood out traditional voters.
    http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/87407/
    This isn’t immigration, it’s colonization.

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  111. You’re a brainwashed nerdy moron. Always have been around here.

    You calling anyone brainwashed, nerdy or moronic is unintentional irony to the highest degree, Oldie.

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  112. j r

    i’m really not into bitterness. and i find other people’s bitterness to be much more entertaining than upsetting. that’s why having somone like doug call me an idiot three times makes me smile.

    Not being ‘into bitterness’ is so sweet. It just makes me happy to know I’m making you happy by calling you a naive, PC robot – just once!

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  113. Stari, I come from a city that is is about 45% Black, and people of European descent there are a minority, yet it’s doing so well that some Black children don’t even know there was African chattel slavery. The ones who do don’t often have a severe persecution complex, or at least not as severe as other areas, because they have enough mixed, Native American, and White grandparents or great grandparents who were slaves or close, to keep things in the proper perspective.

    That’s Charlotte, NC. They had the slave ship exhibit there a few years ago partly because some people were upset that kids didn’t really get the idea of what slavery was like in the Americas.

    When any of your ancestors could have survived being chained up for months in the cargo hold of a ship, sleeping, eating, and otherwise in your own and other people’s excretions, and someone doesn’t think this is too severe to damage you as a work animal, then you can say you gave us something. Deal?

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  114. To Americans….
    what happens if you put 80 million Mexicans on a designated piece of land? What do you get? The answer is….Mexico!!!
    There is no way that these immigrants will be Americans in any way, they will bring their lifestyle next to yours. The Mexican army cannot even defeat a couple of druglords, this is the new “americans” that you get with multi culturarism.

    All alphas regardsless of race laughs in the face of multiculturaism.

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  115. I’ll put it another way. You’ve given us as much as you’ve given successful Jews.

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  116. Doug1

    The trouble is that our culture has suffered a catastrophic, and self-inflicted, loss of confidence.

    It wasn’t broadly self inflicted. It’s genesis was in the Frankfort School’s cultural Marxism. You’ve just restated their mission statement. They fled Germany for NYC and California in the 1930s after Hitler came to power. They really emerged in the 1960s as the New Left (aka “red diaper babies”, i.e. the generally Jewish core leadership often having old left communist parents) and second wave feminists.

    America had oodles of self confidence after WWII, through the 50s and for the most part the 60s. But the New Left came to intellectual elite heavy influence in the 1960s. Revisionist history seeking to demonize white Americans without any reasonable comparison to other groups and nations emerged and even in somewhat diluted form became standard down in grade school, junior high and high school.

    Good stuff – succinct enough that even a moron (or Liberal) could grasp the veracity therein.

    BUT, truth is a value Liberal scum seek to always avoid.

    Liberals, today, are not naive – they are dogmatic like the Renaissance Catholic Church they so despise.

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  117. There are no real “alphas” who read this blog.

    Mostly right-wing nut betas & omegas who love to whine about women, minorities, and everything else.

    I doubt even Roissy himself is really an alpha, even by his own definition.

    Paul Janka had it right when he said, responding to a question about how much actual sexing goes on in the “game community” that: “I doubt many guys in the game community get laid much.”

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  118. firepower,

    you consistently have some of the dumbest and least interesting things to say on this blog. i am pretty sure that i’ve never read anything you’ve written on here that could not have been dashed off by some sixteen year old after ten seconds of thought; although, i am certain that you think your comments are incredibly witty.

    i don’t know how old you are, but you sound fairly young, which, i hope, means that you will develop some modicum of maturity and wisdom as you get older. for now, however, it’s ironic that someone who calls himself firepower, consistently shoots blanks.

    ps – i am almost positive that you will prove me right in your response to this.

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  119. “I agree with almost everything this man wrote except for his defeatist attitude. While some days it can seem as if all is lost, the game aint over yet.”

    Defeatists can fuck off. They are as useful as tits on a boar.

    Sounding the alarm has a use, if there’s an action plan offered. Incessant chorus of “we’re doomed” is sickening.

    Things can change very quickly.

    Generations in the Soviet Union were raised on Marxism and central-planning economics. When things go bad, indoctrination can be reversed.

    The Jew-haters can fuck off as well. Your WASP elites have had an authoritarian strain since before the Jews crawled out of Borscht belt ghettoes (read some history for fuck’s sake), and they signed on to the Gramscian project quite willingly. Don’t throw all this on us.

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  120. **what happens if you put 80 million Mexicans on a designated piece of land? What do you get? The answer is….Mexico!!!***

    Kind of sad and true, why should we bring in people en masse from world class shit holes. There’s a difference between France, France under Napolean, and Haiti for example any time in history.

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  121. Nicole said:

    “I come from a city that is is about 45% Black, and people of European descent there are a minority, yet it’s doing so well that some Black children don’t even know there was African chattel slavery.”

    “That’s Charlotte, NC. They had the slave ship exhibit there a few years ago partly because some people were upset that kids didn’t really get the idea of what slavery was like in the Americas.”

    Why do they have to instill victim mentality in them if they don’t have it? That’s what I can’t stand about black people, they are a bunch of victims/losers.

    My grandfather told me after slavery, blacks had their own businesses. But when segregation ended, they ended theirs because they wanted to go where the white people were at. He also said the blacks back then were smarter because in the south, they had a lot of white blood. He also told me they used to lynch and beat blacks because that was punishment for crimes, they were not scared of conventional methods. Why isn’t that taught to blacks? Why? Because they need to be victims to survive, the truth can’t get out.

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  122. Dana, smartass remark aside, if we can hold someone responsible for a war crime (yes there is such a concept and it means a deliberate targeting of unarmed civilians which on the personal level is nothing but murder), then we should not be committing them. Either it is dog eats dog no holds bared or the other. I don’t want to go into the shoah parallel, let’s leave it there, ok?

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  123. j r

    firepower,
    you consistently have some of the dumbest and least interesting things to say on this blog. i am pretty sure that i’ve never read anything you’ve written on here that could not have been dashed off by some sixteen year old after ten seconds of thought; although, i am certain that you think your comments are incredibly witty.

    i don’t know how old you are, but you sound fairly young, which, i hope, means that you will develop some modicum of maturity and wisdom as you get older. for now, however, it’s ironic that someone who calls himself firepower, consistently shoots blanks.

    ps – i am almost positive that you will prove me right in your response to this.

    well, that pretty much sums up why I voted for Obama.
    What’s your excuse

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  124. Firepower

    Just enough so morsel-O and what can continue to efuck

    Ah, FP already misses it! 🙂

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  125. on October 5, 2010 at 4:10 pm Cannon's Canon

    it’s so easy to spot the High Functioning Gypsies in these types of comment threads. they don’t even have to call themselves ‘ari hinkelberger’; marrano handles are their only sound ideas.

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  126. well, that pretty much sums up why I voted for Obama.
    What’s your excuse

    what makes you think i voted for obama?

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  127. j r

    well, that pretty much sums up why I voted for Obama.
    What’s your excuse

    what makes you think i voted for obama?

    the ever-so slight crusty mist of his precum on your upper lip

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  128. btw, vodka babe – censoring wit is what gives you Jon Stewart.

    Stop by here to see how Men go about speech.

    thanks for the mod – now go fuck thyself.
    much love
    Fire

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  129. Shorter Firepower:

    “You’re a faggety fag, and here’s an unnecessary, overly-detailed, and quizzically homo-erotic description of how much of a fag you are, fag!”

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  130. But bear with me for a second and imagine what would happen if the polarities had been reversed, if the footage on TV was of the people manning the White Sea Labor Camps, of the Killing Fields and the laogai, of South African crime and Saudi Arabian fanaticism, of Mexican illiteracy and pre-Columbian savagery.

    Yeah, I said something about lefty arguing technique where counterarguments and counterexamples don’t exist. It is annoying that all that’s left is white guilt. I had a polish person try to defend the mooslims by saying that they suffered from discrimination by nazis, so we should be nice…you know, ignoring that these invaders aren’t helpless victims, magical minorities, or even interested in becoming like us. The wrong lesson has been learned, and we don’t even, as a society, know why Jefferson invaded Tripoli or why Charlemagne drove out the Islamiscts.

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  131. on October 5, 2010 at 4:26 pm Mr. Happy's Conscious

    I like the occasional foray into politics around here because it’s a good demonstrator that being an alpha touches a lot of other areas of life beyond just banging better looking chicks.

    Denigrating your own was never very “alpha” and ultimately these things do matter. Importing an alien culture from anywhere else, especially when those cultures reward behavior that screws over our entire existance is always a bad idea, it’s just that many of you have been so conditioned to believe otherwise that you pop a gasket when you hear the truth.

    If these people and their cultures are so damn valuable then why is it that their home countries are invariably hell holes? The answer is because they made them that way THROUGH their culture. Mexico is a failed state because Mexicans made it one.
    Sometimes the answer really is that simple.

    Many people have almost no idea why they believe what they do, they just repeat what others (that are portrayed as their betters) have said.

    The earlier poster that mentioned the Frankfurt School (with idea so radically weird that it took two whole generation before they gained any traction outside of academia) hit the bull’s eye. These people want to usher in their own utopia but can’t do it until most of you are soft-genocided into extinction or irrelevance.

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  132. Firepower, well, that pretty much sums up why I voted for Obama.

    Young and stupid, right?

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  133. Patrick

    Shorter Firepower:

    “You’re a faggety fag, and here’s an unnecessary, overly-detailed, and quizzically homo-erotic description of how much of a fag you are, fag!”

    damn, now liberals not only WATCH South Park, they can comprehend it.

    Good for you

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  134. In the ever succinct words of Roissy:
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    “Proximity + Diversity = War”
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    Individuals and groups of different race, culture, language, and ideological and religious creed living harmoniously together is a vile lie and defies natural law. It always has and always will lead to disorder and violence.

    The multicult SWPLs attempting to ram diversity and peace down our throats for the past 60 years in America will not end differently. Our nature will not demand diversity and peace, it will demand homogeneity via bloodshed and extinction.

    Nationalism that takes into account the fundamental differences of tribes is the only way to achieve lasting stability and order.

    A place for every tribe and every tribe in its place.

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  135. firepower,

    so, because i reject white nationalism, i must love obama? interesting theory, but more proof that you’re an idiot. i didn’t vote for obama. i’ve never cast a vote for a democrat in my life. you could scour the internets for instances of me saying nice things about obama and you wouldn’t find it. i’m about the furthest thing from a leftist you could find.

    these are interesting times in which to be a reasonable man. we are constantly being presented with a series of choices: democrat or republican, obama or bush, the tea party or jon stewart, fox news or msnbc, feminism or men’s rights, multiculturalism or white nationalism, the welfare state or the warfare state, totalitarian leftism or authoritarian rightism.

    being a reasonable man, of course, i realize that these are all false choices. these categories do nothing to bring any elucidation to the world. they speak to very little truth. they exist, in fact, as a means of herding people into camps and factions that can be controlled and manipulated from above. the people who stood on the national mall chanting obama’s name like to think they’re so incredibly different than the people who stood on the national mall to hear glen beck bloviate about whatever and vice versa. in truth, they’re just two sides of the same debased coin.

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  136. Morsellaux

    Firepower, well, that pretty much sums up why I voted for Obama.

    Young and stupid, right?

    not both, just possessing one of your traits is enough.

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  137. Firepower, there were some young people and they definitely not voted for Obamao. So, the prerequisite seems both. OTOH, there were some older and old people that voted for him, so I wonder what the common denominator is. 🙂

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  138. jr, you may have no choice but to take a side. The unfortunate result and for the large part unintended consequence (because leftist brain non comprende, is not able to extrapolate in that train of thinking) of the leftist identity politics will be a polarization of population along the tribal lines when the brown organic matter will hit the rotating blades. Not if but when, BTW. And when is soon, when the whole economic edifice collapses under the weight of the current inanity.

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  139. The Jew-haters can fuck off as well. Your WASP elites have had an authoritarian strain since before the Jews crawled out of Borscht belt ghettoes (read some history for fuck’s sake), and they signed on to the Gramscian project quite willingly. Don’t throw all this on us.

    We have read history. That’s how we arrived at our conclusions. Sure, the Jews sewed in fertile soil, but sew they did and they’re the ones at the vanguard of permanent revolution now.

    The Red operatives of the Soviet Union in this country during the last century were almost entirely Jewish – nary a WASP amongst them. Once they’ll socially engineered our institutions, the rest became self-fulfilling.

    Patton was right – the Soviets won the peace (with a little help from their friends).

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  140. Morsellaux

    Firepower, there were some young people and they definitely not voted for Obamao. So, the prerequisite seems both. OTOH, there were some older and old people that voted for him, so I wonder what the common denominator is. 🙂

    To return/keep the discussion on track, I’ll say that voting for Obama is the ultimate act of Liberal induced self-cannibalization of American society – and culture.

    Where The Cosby Show may have been “cute” – the Black Panther voter intimidation case – and subsequent dismissal by a Progressive Liberal Black Washington Regime – is…not.

    The common denominator those blind voters share is the most common of Liberal maladies: A self-loathing wished to be spread amongst all others as an infectious disease.

    If we’re all made lepers, we need no Christ figure (authority) to “save” us.

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  141. If memory serves, this is the exact same shit Charles Manson was blabbering about.

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  142. He’s out for somewhat obliquely noting the preponderance of Jon Stewart type people (liberal Jews)

    redundant.

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  143. “Young and stupid, right?”
    “fag you are, fag!”
    “now go fuck thyself”
    “consistently shoots blanks.”
    “brainwashed, nerdy or moronic”
    “paper tiger and an aging, shrill hetero queen”
    “moron”
    “disgraced whoremonger and adulterer”
    “lying cocksuckers.”
    “suck my cock”
    etc…………

    Guys, I think it’s that time of the month!?

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  144. Individuals and groups of different race, culture, language, and ideological and religious creed living harmoniously together is a vile lie and defies natural law. It always has and always will lead to disorder and violence.

    yeah, except when it doesn’t.

    this is pretty much a textbook example of the naturalistic fallacy: whatever i like is good and natural, whatever i don’t like is evil and unnatural.

    it only requires you to ignore the existence of all those people who do like living with and knowing people who are different from themselves. so, once you forget about all those millions of people who leave tribal lands and move to cities, or people who marry spouses of other races, or people who immigrate to other countries, then i guess you have a point.

    of course, you might want to stop for a second and realize the inherent contradiction of your position. the differences in IQ and in culture that exists between sub-saharan africa and the european continent arose precisely because europe became a cosmopolitan place and africa remained largely tribal. if every tribe stayed in its place, then the whole world would look like the amazon or the congo or the jungles of papau new guinea.

    further, if this country fails to adequately assimilate present-day immigrants, it won’t be because of genetic/ethnic reasons. it will be because we built a giant welfare state that removes the burden of individual responsibility and replaced it with this parasitic system of collective entitlements.

    in other words failure will be the result of rejecting our enlightenment roots and embracing tribalism.

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  145. Poor white people. They have it so bad. All of us brown folks want to murder them and take their stuff. Christ. On. A Crutch! With a shitty attitude like that what part of the solution do you think you are? Are you doing anything to make it better?

    Here’s what it is: we pay for your food stamps, ER care, welfare, WIC, schooling, and jailing. After awhile, we start noticing that we’re paying for our families and yours and want to see our ROI. At that point we begin to notice – quite depressingly – your shortness, fatness, ugliness, stupidity, and propensity for crime and realize that our money has been flushed down the toilet.

    It’s actually worse than having money flushed down the toilet, in fact, it’s funding your own displacement.

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  146. All around the West, the reaction to native Westerners being made minorities in their own countries is rising. Geert Wilders in the Netherlands. The Swedish Democrats, winning seats for the first time (with their ad showing pensioners being run over by women in burkas). Jobbik in Hungary. Sarkozy doing a number on the Gyspies. And telling that woman from Luxemburg to fuck off.

    Meanwhile, South Park makes the argument “PC = gay.” Gay itself being defined as stupid. Gay is the favorite insult of sixth graders.

    And … the money has already run out. Setting up naked spoils fights between Whites, Blacks Mexicans, Muslims, and the rest over who gets taxed, and who gets money spent on them. In the new normal of no jobs created, and unemployment at 25% or so. With a crisis of Iranian nukes forming the backbone of nuclear jihad, and one big shock away from global economic collapse.

    The weakness of the global system is that while elites are inter-connected and reinforced, weaknesses of every country feeds into every other one. So floods in Pakistan pushes up global cotton prices, and clothing, everywhere. Heatwave and drought in Russia pushes up global food prices. Ravenous demand for commodities in China pushes up global inflation, while wages decline globally.

    If you want a good job, a good income, you’ll have to take spending AWAY from Black and Mexican and Muslim people and spend it on your own WHITE ethnic group. This is essential, the basis, for picking up women,, unless you are an uber-Alpha which 99.99% of men will never be, no matter how hard they try.

    And oh yes race is a category. Blacks HATE HATE HATE Whites, mostly, that’s why Louis Farrakhan lives in a mansion bigger than Oprah’s, next to Obama’s, and with more goons, and David Duke lives in a trailer in Monroe LA.

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  147. @PRCalDude

    That’s not a very nice way to talk about the elderly.

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  148. That’s not a very nice way to talk about the elderly.

    Oh snap.

    The elderly have actually – you know – paid into the system and fought in wars for this country.

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  149. bring the movies

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  150. of course, you might want to stop for a second and realize the inherent contradiction of your position. the differences in IQ and in culture that exists between sub-saharan africa and the european continent arose precisely because europe became a cosmopolitan place and africa remained largely tribal.

    Yeah the Jews stayed dumb because they’re so tribal.

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  151. After awhile, we start noticing that we’re paying for our families and yours and want to see our ROI

    to which they reply: pay up, fucker.

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  152. JR — that’s probably the stupidest thing I’ve ever read on this site, and considering Lady R, that’s a high accomplishment.

    Europe was a bunch of squabbling, idiot tribes who sacrificed kids to Odin and Thor or Morrigan, until they weren’t. Under pressure from Vikings to the North and Muslims to the South, Europeans got more unified, more cooperative, and more innovative, adopting anything and everything that worked from the outside. Europe was a place where no coins at all circulated for 400 years, and no real cities existed, in the Dark Ages, and then became rapidly wealthy off “white Gold” aka Wool and the wool trade. The transition was made as tribes became NATIONS. Based on race, an amalgamation of language, culture, religion, and blood.

    Africans have never been able, no matter how hard they tried, to make a leap from tribe to nation. Africans have been unable to even adapt and improve foreign inventions as Europeans and Asians have done. Which ought to be a simple matter.

    Nevertheless, there is NO EXAMPLE AT ALL of different races and nations and peoples living in harmony. AT BEST you have periodic pogroms (Turkey, the Ottoman Empire, Indonesia, Malaysia, Imperial and Soviet Russia, China) coupled with brutal dictatorships and privileges for some and oppression for others. These empires are very, very fragile because they lack the unity that blood, race, religion, culture, and language possess. The flipside to the Holocaust was the endurance of the Blitz or the Eastern Front. The British and Russians did not endure and fight for abstract principles, rather nation. A family wrought into something bigger.

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  153. “Individuals and groups of different race, culture, language, and ideological and religious creed living harmoniously together is a vile lie and defies natural law. It always has and always will lead to disorder and violence.”

    That is retarded. You probably believe it is a liberal lie that many early immigrant groups in America had different races, cultures, languages, and ideological and religious creeds — but in fact they did.

    Perhaps with the vantage of time we can look back and say: “but the differences then weren’t as great between the Irish, Germans, Italians, English, etc. as the differences that exist among immigrant groups now.”

    However, at the time those differences seemed pretty significant. Yet after many generations American assimilation for those groups indeed took place.

    How can you be so sure then that it won’t happen with more recent immigrants. Even if the diversity is greater now than then, America has proven that: Proximity + Diversity = War is a lie.

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  154. jr, you may have no choice but to take a side.

    nah. i already fought in one war. i’m going to sit out the rest.

    also, i think the coming race war is the figment of an overactive white nationalist imagination. it’s some travis bickle fantasy about a great cleansing. almost anyone who’s actually seen war knows that it’s anything but cleansing and doesn’t wish for more of it.

    in fact, i think that we will continue to move towards a bifurcated society, where race will have less and less meaning. the meaningful distinction will be between the upper class professionals with mobile information-based jobs and the poor and working class who will be stuck working in the services and whatever low-skill manufacturing is left in this country.

    whether or not there remains a viable path for the middle class is what will determine the future of this country. if we can build up mid skill-level service sector or high-skill manufacturing that provides employment for the middle class, then america will continue to be all that it is. if not, then the shit may hit the fan, especially in the parts of the country stuck in recession.

    as for me, i’m comfortable established on a professional career track. i’ll do everything i can to keep this economic machine working. if it gets too bad, though, i’ll just take my savings and head to some central american beach where i can make boat drinks and lay in my hammock.

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  155. The political commentary on this blog is substantially more idiotic than the PUA commentary is insightful. This is no small feat. Whatever idiot the actual Roissy decided to let coblog should leave the thinking to people who know their asses from their elbows.

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  156. jr, you seem to want to have your bread and eat the cake too.

    Let’s make it simple. Any culture is based on the level of trust between members. The trust may mean distrust, but it is a know variable that you can rely on. For instance bakshheesh expectations in certain cultures are such a known variable.

    The trust between different cultures is different. It can’t be reconciled. When you have two or more cultures occupying (mean residing) in a specific geographical area, when things get to the basic survival level, the differences between various trusts will pop into forefront, enlightenment or not. Whether you have befriended individuals from a different culture in good times is irrelevant. Once the stressor events are in progress, your friends would align along tribal lines. They do not believe in enlightenment and will readily prompt you to stuff it, if not take you down and your enlightenment with you, in such conditions. Indulging in woulda shoulda is not your best bet.

    The whole multi-culti idea was a disaster (actually, intentional implant of the KGB’s first directorate subversion program), because you can’t assimilate large groups of people to accept your trust conditions, only when the influx is small and dispersed.

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  157. J r —

    so, because i reject white nationalism, i must love obama?

    Is it white nationalism to want to end the mass immigration of groups our PC elites feel they need to give affirmative action to, i.e. NAMs (non Asian minorities, such as heavily Amerindian southern Mexican and Central American peasants, and Haitians, etc.?

    The census bureau has projected that on current trends the US will no longer have a Euro-American aka white majority, but rather a NAM majority in only 20 years. That NAM majority are deemed by the lefties to be so “disadvantaged” as to deserve affirmative action in it’s multitude of forms, from colleges and large organization jobs, to federal and state hiring, to federal contracting, and so on. Why aren’t we deporting millions of illegals during this severe jobs recession?

    Think what a NAM majority will do to taxes falling heavily on whites because of what that electorate will demand, and how little in taxes they provide, comparatively. Schools, jails, section 8 housing, welfare, police, Obama care and medicaid. Think what that will do to the per capita income and livability of the country, as a great many heavily Indio Mexicans and Central American lower school performer 2nd generation assimilate to the extent they do at all, to ghetto blacks and gang violence and criminality, as happens greatly now in e.g. southern California.

    It’s the stupidest imaginable social policy bolstered by the endless and network united media screams of “racism, racism, racism” whenever anyone edges into real talk about this.

    Every country has the right to be discriminating about which non citizens it allows to immigrate.

    in other words failure will be the result of rejecting our enlightenment roots and embracing tribalism.

    I don’t want to reject most of our enlightenment roots (though I can do without Rousseau) but I do want to reject cultural Marxism in toto.

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  158. j r

    the differences in IQ and in culture that exists between sub-saharan africa and the european continent arose precisely because europe became a cosmopolitan place and africa remained largely tribal.

    Europeans became smarter because they built aqueducts and cities. They didn’t build the cities because they were smarter.
    Got it. Now I know why the sub-saharans never took a trip up the Nile to see little Egypt on their own continent.

    if every tribe stayed in its place, then the whole world would look like the amazon or the congo or the jungles of papau new guinea

    Too bad those differently-enabled Noble Savages never thought to invent sextants, navigation equipment, sailing vessels, alphabets or even flush toilets. Then, they could’ve spread their knowledge of making mud huts.

    Great points, Einstein. It’s nice of you to shoot yourself in the foot…twice.

    If you weren’t such a feckless moron, this might be fun for me.

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  159. Yeah the Jews stayed dumb because they’re so tribal.

    KO

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  160. Cee says, “Why do they have to instill victim mentality in them if they don’t have it? That’s what I can’t stand about black people, they are a bunch of victims/losers.”

    That is an excellent question.

    I can understand a need for historical accuracy, but in the name of accuracy, I also believe they should say more about what slavery was like before it was such big business, the fact that inconvenient individuals up to entire tribes were sold by other Africans into slavery, and that there was Native American and European slavery. That gets about as much air time as Africans who were killed or forcibly sterilized in the Holocaust.

    It is in some people’s interest to make certain sectors of the population feel like victims. People who feel poweful behave like people who feel powerful.

    Some people make money off of there being a hostile, victimized group.

    Did you know that Arabs in Israel, even Christian ones, get money for university that Jews don’t? They also don’t have to pay certain taxes that Jews do.

    Think on that…then read _Invisible_Man_ by Ralph Ellison. Black people are rewarded more for conforming to their assigned stereotype than they are for defying it.

    “My grandfather told me after slavery, blacks had their own businesses. But when segregation ended, they ended theirs because they wanted to go where the white people were at.”

    Some of that was due to self hatred, but some of it was because the government actively shut them down. The government closed Black schools rather than improving or integrating them according to area of residence, for instance.

    “He also said the blacks back then were smarter because in the south, they had a lot of white blood.”

    In some cases, this may be true, but we’re talking about a statistically negligible group. The vast majority of African Americans in the south are fully or mostly African, which does come in a variety of shades.

    They were smarter because they were being properly educated by people who understood their culture and natural tendencies. I’ll explain more.

    “He also told me they used to lynch and beat blacks because that was punishment for crimes, they were not scared of conventional methods. Why isn’t that taught to blacks? Why? Because they need to be victims to survive, the truth can’t get out.”

    The truth is suppressed for the same reason people get welfare for being stupid (a single mom living on her own) as opposed to intelligently making the best of a bad situation (living with her parents or hey, the father of her child).

    The blank slatists need to keep themselves in business, so they need to promote the idea that the reason Black people aren’t better off is because of the more obvious flavor of racism. They don’t want to address the fact that, as Watson said, which was that essentially, it is stupid to think that people who adapted to different environments would be genetically the same.

    Black people are generally much more socially dominant, and these traits start to become apparent in early childhood. If they do not fear punishment when they are too young and immature to form an idea of ethics, they will eat whoever’s in “authority” over them alive.

    So they are set up to become antisocial by the removal of physical consequences for their actions.

    My family consists of mostly above average to extremely intelligent people, but we are the same. There has to be a threat of physical punishment for us to act right when we’re kids.

    It’s more racist to deprive someone of something that is necessary to their development in order to promote some sort of uniform standard than it is to address the reality of differences, whether they are culturally implanted, genetic, or epigenetic.

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  161. AHE

    Proximity + Diversity = War is a lie

    This Christ-like kumbaya from the folks who brought you

    “Darwin is RIGHT and thus evolution must be believed!”

    Liberals have an amusing, inexhaustible talent for spouting modern platitudes comprised of gibberish like a 16th Century Pope.

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  162. the meaningful distinction will be between the upper class professionals with mobile information-based jobs and the poor and working class who will be stuck working in the services and whatever low-skill manufacturing is left in this country.

    The first aim of the poor is to squeeze the middle class. Unlike most people though, the expropriation of the middle class does not necessarily harm the upper class.

    But once the middle is gone, the poor must go after the upper class. This is where this sillyness called democracy ends

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  163. Wake up white man…

    Your extinction is imminent if you do not fight for your people’s future.

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  164. Nicole — What the hell do I as a White person owe Black people? Really? I’m supposed to be punished, for the rest of my life, because long-dead White people did bad things to Black people?

    And I’m supposed to buy that? Really?

    If I have no rights, no civil rights, but Black people do, what’s in it for me? Really, I’d like to know. What’s in it for me?

    What’s in it for me?

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  165. I wonder how many reasonable, erudite white guys like j.r. and AHE used to live in Rhodesia.

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  166. Is it white nationalism to want to end the mass immigration of groups our PC elites feel they need to give affirmative action to, i.e. NAMs (non Asian minorities, such as heavily Amerindian southern Mexican and Central American peasants, and Haitians, etc.?

    No. But politicly speaking, white nationalists are the only ones who have any inclination to do anything about it. The Democrats like the votes, the Republicans like the cheap labor. The Libertarians want to open the borders entirely. It’s not going to go away if our current parties have anything to do with it.

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  167. The sacred and ancient symbol of your race, since the beginning of time. The Jew is using The Black as muscle against you. And you are left there helpless. Well, what are you going to do about it, Whitey? Just sit there? Of course not! You are going to join with us. The members of the American Socialist White Peoples’ Party. An organization of decent, law abiding white folk. Just like you!

    Illinois Nazis. I hate Illinois Nazis.

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  168. @ phil

    Once you start sounding like Pope Urban calling the Norman knights for the Crusades or Goebbels calling the German people to stop the Red Tide after Stalingrad you cannot escape becoming a clown and a loser

    The only way white people can fight dispossesion while avoiding that is by highlighting the ugliness of NAM women and how taxes in the West go fund the reproduction of ugly people

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  169. I’m pretty sure that Michael Blowhard’s great post was 180 degrees from the spirit of most of the comments in this thread.

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  170. wow… is today the day that what roissy built fully tumbles over the precipe into the intellectual abyss of full-fledged, tin-foil hat, white nationalism?

    you guys have fun dreaming about the coming race war, holding survivalist traing camps and day dreaming about the glory days of the 1950s.

    have all the intelligent voices really been driven fom this forum?

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  171. j r

    i’ll do everything i can to keep this economic machine working. if it gets too bad, though, i’ll just take my savings and head to some central american beach where i can make boat drinks and lay in my hammock.

    If you presume a 3rd world banana republic will keep you around after your gringo credit card fails, you’re either dreaming – or can check that Hispanic Box on American job applications and scholarships.

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  172. Just remembered a story. A friend works in the Diplomatic service and CHOSE to be posted in Haiti several months ago. I asked what did the think about sexlife in Haiti.

    He answered: the international community is huge (10 thousand people) and relatively young.

    A couple months later the earthquake happened. And the international community received another 10 thousand people. Actually, 10 thousando US soldiers… fffffuuuuuu

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  173. @Morsellaux

    i posted a reply to you a while ago, but it – and a few – are stuck in The Inane Loop of chateausphere Mod Hell.

    when it turns posting into a trip to the DMV

    mout

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  174. “Dana, smartass remark aside, if we can hold someone responsible for a war crime (yes there is such a concept and it means a deliberate targeting of unarmed civilians which on the personal level is nothing but murder), then we should not be committing them. Either it is dog eats dog no holds bared or the other. I don’t want to go into the shoah parallel, let’s leave it there, ok?”

    petitio principii, thy name is morsel

    there is no such thing as a war crime, the only crime in war is LOSING and then everything you did was a “crime”. until you are ready to completely kill everyone in sight you are finished. thats war. women and children are irrelevent–white knighting for the enemies women and spawn? you END a war by destroying the women, children, livestock and fields of your enemy until he cries out for mercy and begs you for peace.

    no wonder the west is slipping away

    oh and fuck the holocaust–hitler didnt invent killing everyone he deemed an enemy and the only reasons anyone cares is because a) he lost, b) one jew lived to raise cain about it and c) it was industrialized and filmed and people could see the films and get upset LATER.

    i say this as the grandchild of survivors:

    fuck the holocaust

    if the holocaust now means we can never fight to win in perpetuity then we should all just give the fuck up and lie down and die

    if IM tired of hearing about it i cant imagine how you poor goyim feel

    we should be rounding up mexicans and deporting them, carpetbombing muslims and nuking mecca–not wringing our hands about “my lai” and “shoah” and genocide

    don’t you people want to live anymore?

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  175. Harmonica,

    Yep, MSNBC are the supreme example of media bias. They haven’t adjusted even though it’s pretty clear that they’re becoming an echo chamber of the Far left

    Doug1, I forgot about the unlovely Marcuse who rewarded America granting him asylum and a UCal professorship by urging on all the lunatics of 1968 to destroy the US. Still, the ruling class of the time should have mocked him into obscurity.

    PA, take your point about elites being supplanted, but as long as the Lefties keep their death grip on academia they shall be replaced by their clones

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  176. on October 5, 2010 at 5:59 pm Junior Gorilla

    Yawn, whatever, bring our future on. If it annoys you this much, I’m going to be gleefully voting for it.

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  177. on October 5, 2010 at 6:08 pm Cannon's Canon

    lol “cosmopolitanization”

    like a rose by any other name is just as sweet

    i’ve seen that written somewhere before. oh yeah:

    https://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=210&pid=41889

    “Professor Rensmann is interested in problems of democratic and republican thought; Hannah Arendt and critical theory; globalization, global social justice and human rights; and the politics of exile, totalitarianism, antisemitism, racism, and genocide. In addition, he has been working on the ‘cosmopolitanization’ of political party spaces in Germany and the European Union, with a special focus on anti-cosmopolitan reactions to politico-cultural change—including ‘modernized’ antisemitism, extreme right parties, and anti-immigrant politics. Last but not least, a special research interest is the relationship between cosmopolitanism, global politics, and sports cultures.”

    cosmopolitanism as a tool to save the [url=”http://polisci.lsa.umich.edu/images/lrensmann.jpg”]Tribe[/url]

    nice try, j r

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  178. Dana, tell me, how many people you’ve killed, seeing their their bodies in spasms to grasp remnant of their life and their lights going out?

    Wars are no picnic and they can mark even strongest men.

    Or how many people you’ve seen dying after an injury that resulted in bleeding out?

    One never gets used to it, unless one’s a psychopath, not far remote from a bundle of instinct.

    If I understand you correctly, you would like to send a bunch of men to do the butchering on your behalf as long as you are remote from it, or otherwise shaming them. It’s akin to game for you.

    If I misunderstood, correct me, but without the jewish motherbitch crap.

    There are other ways to win wars without wholesale butchering of people (and it’s not hearts and minds crap). The shame is that we are unwilling to use these methods because of PC prerogatives and will be forced one day to do the butchering.

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  179. Simple.

    Liberals want immigration from the world’s fuckholes because fuckhole immigrants vote liberal. Liberals need immigrantion as badly as anyone who has to fuck Rosie O’Donnell will need viagra. Without immigration liberals would have no political wood.

    Republican politicians mostly support immigration because they don’t want their careers ended in a liberal character assassination. They don’t trust their Republican peers to rally around them, they are more worried they will throw them to the wolves and take their place – because Republicans too like feeding at the liberal pig trough.

    As.

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  180. The Pakistani immigrant who tried to detonate a car bomb on a busy Saturday night in Times Square accepted a life sentence with a smirk Tuesday and warned that Americans can expect more bloodshed at the hands of Muslims.
    “Brace yourselves, because the war with Muslims has just begun,” 31-year-old Faisal Shahzad told a federal judge. “Consider me the first droplet of the blood that will follow.”

    yup, let’s get more of this in our country…they hate us cause we’re not nice, not because we’re weak sinners

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  181. morsel

    we have a professional volunteer army, thats what they do. what does my personal desire or ability to kill people in war have to do with anything? thats fighting like a woman, i am not a soldier, nor do i profess to be one, nor would me BEING one make anything i say mor eor less true. my “father”-in-law was a marine in vietnam and he killed lots of people and he agreed 100% with me–so? does that make me more right? nope–no more than it would if i had actually killed people. what i am saying is either factually correct or not irrespective of my life experience

    what war has been decisively won by other means? if i am wrong and there is one please inform me of it. look at stupid israel engaged in 60 years of war for no reason at all because they are so scared of winning and being called “hitler hitler hitler” that they are committing suicide. is that better? if israel woke up one day and pushed all the palestinians into jordan tomorrow and built a big wall who would give a flying fuck in ten years? no one–thats who. instead they commit suicide worrying about the national nazi tramp stamp of shame. look at us and iran smoldering for decades, india and pakistan, north korea sitting there like a giant pile of shit on s korea and chinas border–for what? are the n. koreans BETTER OFF because we tied our hands behind our back and went home for no apparent reason? or would there just be a nice 1st world unified korea sitting there RIGHT NOW if we had done the right thing and schmeissed them for good. look at how the germans have to tear themselves to pieces with guilt–not because they KILLED jews, but because they left any alive before they lost and have to have it thrown in their faces forever, like we will have to hear from the blacks we didnt IMMEDIATELY repatriate after the civil war and the stupid indians we didnt completely wipe out for ever and ever amen

    it is the refusal of both sides to decisively defeat the other that creates the long term suffering of prolonged wars for generations. hows japan doing after hiroshima and nagasaki? how is our relations with them? is there a 100 years war like plagued europe between us? no. decisive victories CAUSE lasting peace–because “peace” is when your enemy is dead or demolished to the point of true surrender

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  182. Roissy, I know your blog isn’t normally about this kind of thing, but could you point your readers towards explanations of how exactly this sociocultural shift against politically incorrect truth and for larger and more powerful minorities will lead to the collapse of the United States or the west generally? I agree with you on the largescale trends and the ways in which they might be harmful, but there isn’t much backing of this attempted antiprediction that the United States will fall. Technological and economic factors seem significantly more important. That’s why folk like Peter Thiel are jumping up and down trying to promote technological innovation in the United States: without it, we lose.

    Technologies like molecular nanotechnology, genomics and maybe genetic engineering, and the looming possibility of artificial general intelligence will likely determine who has total control of the world in the twenty-first century. With Silicon Valley spending most of its time on developing technologies like Facebook and Twitter, it may be that competitors like China (where genetic engineering is much more accepted) will take the lead in ‘real’ innovation, which would give them an economic stranglehold over the US and the rest of the world. The USA and the west are by far the leaders in technological innovation, but both liberals and conservatives are being needlessly prohibitive in sanctioning innovative research (conservatives for religious reasons, liberals for… well, religious reasons, but ones they try to hide in the name of vague post hoc ‘human rights’).

    These factors seem to me to totally outweigh the effects of an idealistic beta upper class liberal aristocracy or an influx of migrant workers. The United States attained its current level of power with economic and technological dominance, not some surface-level commitment to truth at any cost. The national epistemology fostered technological development, but the technological development itself is the important factor. The two shouldn’t be confused.

    Thus, though I endorse your fight for hard truths, I don’t endorse your using them for pushing an ‘end of Western civilization’ doom meme. I know the latter is more dramatic and without it, it’s harder to impress upon readers the importance of the fucktardedness of modern liberal political machinations. (Though it should be noted that conservative political machinations are likely more fucktarded.) But honestly, if you don’t want to talk about the real driving factors involved, you should realize that sociocultural trends really just don’t affect anyone. Yeah, maybe that one guy who was the target of reverse racism, or maybe the rich guy who has to pay ridiculous taxes to support a welfare state of immigrants, but really, it doesn’t affect *you*. Complaining about them will entertain yourself and your readers, but it’s not actually knowledge you can use anywhere outside of understanding the sociocultural drives behind why game is necessary. But even then, just learn game; no need to focus on the politics, especially when you know that politics is the mind killer.

    I like your political rants (unlike a lot of your readers), but notice the distinction between illuminating important truths and riling up a crowd with polemics because it’s fun. Or show where I’m wrong by pointing out how these sociocultural trends will lead to the downfall of the United States. I really would like to see the supporting evidence.

    [Editor: You can start here:

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/imm.htm%5D

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  183. I hate white nationalists. Not all, but most are retards.

    On the other hand, most people – myself included – are occasionally retards.

    Seriously, white nationalists have to stop going after blacks and ally with them.

    One common cause is worth any degree of miscegenation with the black Americans we already have:

    Stopping the complete overrunning of this country by Hispanic Latin Americans.

    This is and should be an English country. If they won’t become English, the door’s right there. Get out.

    At least the Asians who immigrate here learn English and sometimes marry the rest of us and have the decency to breed with their new co-citizens.

    The hispanic illegals are a bigger threat to blacks economically than anyone else.

    White nationalists are retarded for this very reason: They oppose allying with absolutely American-in-every-way American Blacks, engaging in, say, real reform so that, while not a lot of nuclear physicists will be black, maybe a lot of, say, contractors or plumbers or businesspeople could be, and working with WHAT WE HAVE, instead of WHAT WE WISH FOR IN OUR IDEAL WORLD, and then target Jews, too, as Not Quite White Enough, …

    Instead of saying: Allright, here we are folks, we’re all American and these people … aren’t. There’s the damned door. Get thee gone.

    Now this would just be too smart a thing to do.

    Enough Jews could be brought over to the dark side, too. Anyway, Jews outside NYC. NYC is a lost cause, anyway, from several perspectives.

    And the blacks – well, the Dems and Reps could agree on shutting down the immigration flood if enough of the population signed on.

    White nationalists:

    Want to actually accomplish some goals?

    Speak to Americanness. Works a lot better than Whiteness.

    You can deal with whiteness once the Latin Hordes aren’t beating down the gates.

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  184. Dana,

    You can’t pick a war with 1 billion people. Now, certainly the US and NATO could be a lot more aggressive in pursuing the War on Terror, but desecrating major shrines is not the answer.

    What’s needed, above all, is to prevent the lawyers from meddling in military operations. Likewise, enhanced interrogation and the like should be permitted without the fretting of bleeding hearts.

    But antagonising the whole Muslim world is madness. We have friends, as well as enemies, there.

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  185. I don’t know why anyone would waste their time reading such sophomoric garbage.

    I raised an eyebrow here,

    After all, they have promoted ideologies and policies like no-fault divorce and forced busing that have caused untold misery for millions.

    I stopped taking Mr. Blowhard seriously here,

    For example, everyone has been told — over and over and over again — that blacks are victims rather than victimizers when the reality is the complete opposite.

    How angry and confused do you have to be to get sucked in by this kind of nebulous race baiting? No one has ever said to me in 24 years of living among the liberal, elitist, latté-drinking milieus of Godless New England that “Blacks are victims simpliciter.“ It sounds idiotic. It’s also undeniably true that blacks are victims of centuries of enslavement, institutional/legal discrimination, and racism on the part of the ruling class here in the US. So what the hell is this guy talking about? Ranting about racial groups as if they’re monolithic blocs to which vague value-laden traits can be ascribed (i.e. “victimizers”) is demagoguery. As for the rest of the racist tropes laid out during the first few paragraphs, it’s almost as though this guy is unaware that the deluge of PC content in contemporary mainstream media is a countermeasure to centuries of openly racist and imperial policies and rhetoric. The US stole the Southwest from Mexico, wiped out the indigenous Amerindian tribes, built infrastructure with slave labor and then, once slavery was finally outlawed, imposed Jim Crow laws on black Americans. And now that democratic capitalist culture is making awkward, overbearing strides to compensate at the level of discourse you want to bitch and moan about the oppression of white people? Go fuck yourself.

    And what is this shit about SWPL overlords of the “gated community crowd” ? Right, the wealthy rightwing business class takes its orders from 20 and 30-something hip young urban professionals.

    The mind boggles.

    [Editor: I’m sure yours does.]

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  186. on October 5, 2010 at 6:56 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

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  187. Morse,
    Killing is wrong, but war is different. Not every soldier loses sleep over that fact that they may have killed someone.

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  188. Too tired to read through all the comments but hell, what a great rant that says it all. It’s a shame the present situation can’t be explained succinctly enough for Joe Public. I only understood the jargon through extensive reading and thinking on the matter.

    Day by day I just feel more and more of a sense of enlightened anger. My subconscious observations (on both politics and sex) are far more consistent with my current leanings than they were with my leftarded days of yore.

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  189. on October 5, 2010 at 7:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yup the jews are easily found in nyc.

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  190. on October 5, 2010 at 7:04 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

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  191. on October 5, 2010 at 7:08 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

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  192. on October 5, 2010 at 7:09 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

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  193. Dana,

    1. I agree that the immigration policies are insane, so is the lack of will to deport illegals. That is probably clear upon a cursory examination of my comments.

    2. There are three ways to win a war.

    One is by breaking of the will of the enemy to fight. You pointed that one.

    The second way is to let the enemy do the job for you. That war started in 1917 and we are loosing it, thought the people that were at the inception are long gone or these of next generations no longer waging it in the original scope. It was put on an autopilot and is still going. Effective and not that expensive.

    The third way is to kill the idea that binds the enemy. Kill whatever they hold as their god. The effect is a demoralization. Can’t discuss the methods for various reasons.

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  194. Here’s what it is: we pay for your food stamps, ER care, welfare, WIC, schooling, and jailing. After awhile, we start noticing that we’re paying for our families and yours and want to see our ROI. At that point we begin to notice – quite depressingly – your shortness, fatness, ugliness, stupidity, and propensity for crime and realize that our money has been flushed down the toilet.

    It’s actually worse than having money flushed down the toilet, in fact, it’s funding your own displacement.

    Really? Because I pretty much pay for all of those things two with my job and my business that I run and the taxes that I pay. So I dunno who you’re talking about there pal. 3 Generations deep of never having been on the dole or taking handouts. We pride ourselves on self reliance. I know plenty of white people on the American dole. I’ve hired a few, and they were just as shifty and lazy as any other person from the lower classes.

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  195. How, um, populist and reactionary of the blogger. Wingnut much?

    [Editor: How, um, stupid and blockheaded of the commenter. Tard much?]

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  196. on October 5, 2010 at 7:30 pm The Real Vince

    The sky is falling! The sky is falling! And it’s all because of our stupid progressive cosmopolitan overlords (how did those dumbasses ever take charge?). Everything used to be much better when women and minorities knew their place. When our noble white race did not forsake its role.

    We need to return to the benevolent oppression of the White Man, which is really in the best interest of all. Maybe slavery was wrong, but the brown/black looting hordes will do far worse: they will destroy civilization.

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  197. Hey now, the real R has returned. full of xenophobic anger that gives liberal lefty girls from Georgetown the gina tingle from hell.

    gettum cowboy!

    [Editor: Hey Chiclet, what do you think of airdropping 80 million whites and Chinese into Ethiopia? Think about that scenario for a bit. Let it sink in. What does your heart tell you?]

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  198. on October 5, 2010 at 7:31 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

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    Of the innumerable evils which usually brings the decadence of kingdoms, principalities, and republics, the four greatest are, in my opinion: war, immorality, infertility of the land, and the debasement of money. For the first three, the evidence is obvious. But for the fourth, which concerns money, except for a few men of intellect, few people ever see it. Why? Because it is not in one fell swoop, but gradually, by a somewhat latent character, it ruins the state. –Copernicus

    If the Nation can issue a dollar bond it can issue a dollar bill. The element that makes the bond good makes the bill good also. The difference between the bond and the bill is that the bond lets the money broker collect twice the amount of the bond and an additional 20%. Whereas the currency, the honest sort provided by the Constitution pays nobody but those who contribute in some useful way. It is absurd to say our Country can issue bonds and cannot issue currency. Both are promises to pay, but one fattens the usurer and the other helps the People. –Thomas Alva Edison

    Paper money has had the effect in your state that it will ever have, to ruin commerce, oppress the honest, and open the door to every species of fraud and injustice. –George Washington

    No state shall emit bills of credit, make any thing but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts, coin money. –Article One, Section Ten, United States Constitution

    When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it. — Frederic Bastiat, The Law

    Of all the contrivances for cheating the laboring classes of mankind, none has been more effective than that which deludes them with paper money. –Daniel Webster

    You have to choose [as a voter] between trusting to the natural stability of gold and the natural stability of the honesty and intelligence of the members of the Government. And, with due respect for these gentlemen, I advise you, as long as the Capitalist system lasts, to vote for gold. –George Bernard Shaw

    The directors of such companies (joint-stock corporations), however, being the managers rather of other people’s money than of their own, it cannot well be expected, that they should watch over it with the same anxious vigilance with which the partners in a private copartnery frequently watch over their own …. Negligence and profusion, therefore, must always prevail, more or less in the management of the affairs of such a company? –Adam Smith, The Wealth on Nations, 1776

    If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. –Thoms Jefferson in 1802 in a letter to then Secretary of the Treasury, Albert Gallatin

    Fair dealing leads to greater profit in the end. –Homer’s Odyssey

    Thou shalt not steal. –Moses, Exodus

    The boom produces impoverishment. But still more disastrous are its moral ravages. It makes people despondent and dispirited. The more optimistic they were under the illusory prosperity of the boom, the greater is their despair and their feeling of frustration. –Ludwig von Mises

    The authors of the Constitution were very much aware of the dangers of inflation and the need for commodity money. Destruction of the continental dollar was vivid in their minds. The journals of the Continental Congress noted that “paper currency… is multiplied beyond the rules of good policy. No truth being more evident, than that where the quantity of money. . . exceeds what is useful as a medium of commerce, its comparative value must be proportionately reduced.” Further, inflations “tend to the depravity of morals, and decay of the public faith, injustice to individuals, and the destruction of the honor, safety, and independence of the United States.” –R. Paul, End The Fed, The Constitutional Case, p. 165

    If you are in debt, you are a slave to that debt. –Benjamin Franklin

    The second vice is lying, the first is running in debt. . . Lying rides upon debt’s back. –Franklin

    Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value—zero. —Voltaire

    The first panacea for a mismanaged nation is inflation of the currency; the second is war. Both bring a temporary prosperity; both bring a permanent ruin. But both are the refuge of political and economic opportunists. –Ernest Hemingway

    If ever again our nation stumbles upon unfunded paper, it shall surely be like death to our body politic. This country will crash. –George Washington

    To emit an unfunded paper as the sign of value ought not to continue a formal part of the Constitution, nor even hereafter to be employed; being, in its nature, pregnant with abuses, and liable to be made the engine of imposition and fraud; holding out temptations equally pernicious to the integrity of government and to the morals of the people. –Alexander Hamilton

    I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a money aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. This issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of the moneyed corporations which already dare to challenge our Government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country. –Thomas Jefferson

    The study of money, above all other fields in economics, is one in which complexity is used to disguise truth or to evade truth, not to reveal it. –John Kenneth Galbraith, Money: Whence it came, where it went – 1975, p15

    In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold. If everyone decided, for example, to convert all his bank deposits to silver or copper or any other good, and thereafter declined to accept checks as payment for goods, bank deposits would lose their purchasing power and government-created bank credit would be worthless as a claim on goods. The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. . . This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists’ tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists’ antagonism toward the gold standard. –Alan Greenspan, Gold and Economic Freedom

    The bold effort the present (central) bank had made to control the government … are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it. –Andrew Jackson

    I am one of those who do not believe that a national debt is a national blessing, but rather a curse to a republic; inasmuch as it is calculated to raise around the administration a moneyed aristocracy dangerous to the liberties of the country. –Andrew Jackson

    Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. –Andrew Jackson

    The process by which banks create money is so simple that the mind is repelled. –John Kenneth Galbraith, Money: Whence it came, where it went – 1975, p29

    Is there any reason why the American people should be taxed to guarantee the debts of banks, any more than they should be taxed to guarantee the debts of other institutions, including merchants, the industries, and the mills of the country? –Senator Carter Glass,
    Author of the Banking Act of 1933

    I see in the near future a crisis approach which unnerves me and cause me to tremble for the safety of my country. Corporations (of banking) have been enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic destroyed. –Abraham Lincoln

    History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance. –James Madison

    All the perplexities, confusion and distresses in America arise not from defects in the constitution or confederation, nor from want of honor or virtue, as much from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation. –John Adams

    The gold standard has one tremendous virtue: the quantity of the money supply, under the gold standard, is independent of the policies of governments and political parties. This is its advantage. It is a form of protection against spendthrift governments. . . The gold standard did not collapse. Governments abolished it in order to pave the way for inflation. The whole grim apparatus of oppression and coercion, policemen, customs guards, penal courts, prisons, in some countries even executioners, had to be put into action in order to destroy the gold standard. –Ludwig von Mises

    I’ll tell you what I think about the way
    This city treats her soundest men today;
    By a coincidence more sad than funny,
    It’s very like the way we treat our money.
    The noble silver drachma that of old we were
    So proud of, and the recent gold coins that
    Rang true, clean-stamped and worth their weight
    Throughout the world, have ceased to circulate.
    Instead the purses of Athenian shoppers
    Are full of shoddy silver-plated coppers
    Just so, when men are needed by the nation,
    The best have been withdrawn from circulation.
    —Aristophanes, The Frogs, 400 BC

    Give me control of a nation’s currency and I care not who makes the laws. –Baron Rothschild

    With the exception only of the period of the gold standard, practically all governments of history have used their exclusive power to issue money to defraud and plunder the people. –F.A. Hayek

    Lenin is said to have declared that the best way to destroy the Capitalistic System was to debauch the currency. . . Lenin was certainly right. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million can diagnose. –John Maynard Keynes

    We are in danger of being overwhelmed with irredeemable paper, mere paper, representing not gold nor silver; no sir, representing nothing but broken promises, bad faith, bankrupt corporations, cheated creditors and a ruined people. –Daniel Webster, speech in the Senate, 1833

    You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the grace of the Eternal God, will rout you out. –Daniel Webster (upon evicting from the Oval Office a delegation of international bankers discussing the Bank Renewal Bill, 1832)

    no lozozlzlzlzlzlzlzllzzlzlzing here!

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  199. To those who say they will be sitting at the bar having a drink while civilization dies. FUCK YOU. Do something! Create something, teach someone. I for one love my country and I want to see it come back from the brink. No wonder the feminist won, men have given up. If you find two boys and teach them what real manhood is about and charge them with teaching two more, you can change things and you spread the word to other men, you will see a change. But to just moan and say we’ve lost is weak. We need a return to old fashion values and begin to teach those values. My father, a vietnam veteran passed along his values to me. Hard work, honesty, fairness. Judging people by their behaviors and actions. Like he told me, nobody promised you that life will be fair, but work hard and do the right thing.

    I came to this site others like it to try to figure out what’s wrong and all throughout the manosphere all I hear is, game over dude, game over. Buch of Bill Paxtons in Aliens. A bunch of big talk until it gets grimey. Then you’re ready to throw in the towel. You deserve to lose with a mentality like that. No hope = no success.

    I’ll be teaching my nephews and cousins the truth about women and about manhood while you are sipping on that drink. I’ll be teaching them how to avoid useless women. How to run game and how to educate themselves and provide for themselves. What will you be doing? Watching your sons and nephews fail? Pathetic. Your fathers failed you, so now you just plan on letting the next generation fail as well huh? Good for you.

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  200. on October 5, 2010 at 7:46 pm Mr. Happy's Conscious

    Rarfy
    How, um, populist and reactionary of the blogger. Wingnut much?

    Arguments and not insults change minds. Then again if you had an actual argument, you would have used one.
    “Reactionary”? “Popularist”? Did you learn those words in your Marxist Lit class?

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  201. “The third way is to kill the idea that binds the enemy. Kill whatever they hold as their god. The effect is a demoralization. Can’t discuss the methods for various reasons.

    im pretty sure 2 piled of dust with little wile e coyote signs that say “mecca” and “media” on them in arabic would be pretty demoralizing

    but in the alternative–lets just infect them with feminism like russia did to us

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  202. Gorby said:

    “White nationalists are retarded for this very reason: They oppose allying with absolutely American-in-every-way American Blacks, engaging in, say, real reform so that, while not a lot of nuclear physicists will be black, maybe a lot of, say, contractors or plumbers or businesspeople could be, and working with WHAT WE HAVE, instead of WHAT WE WISH FOR IN OUR IDEAL WORLD, and then target Jews, too, as Not Quite White Enough, …”

    Black people don’t want to team up with white people, so it goes both ways. A lot of black people don’t even like America. This plan would never work, this isn’t Luke Cage and Iron Fist.

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  203. @dana
    but in the alternative–lets just infect them with feminism like russia did to us

    Dana,

    There’s where you and I are on the same page.

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  204. “Arguments and not insults change minds.”

    that is probably the least true thing said here yet. insults change people’s minds all the time. arguments very rarely.

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  205. Ugh. Imagine if people learned some history before they starting ranting.

    As a rule, the greater the emotion in the argument, the less the knowledge.

    Civilizations have collapsed before. Our collapse is just extraordinarily fast. We can see it happening right in front of our eyes. That is why we are upset.

    In the long run, a lack of vitamin D will remove the dark people from the higher latitudes. So, be patient.

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  206. Whiskey, you owe Black people nothing. Just remember that Black people don’t owe you anything either.

    Fair is fair, and all’s fair in love and war.

    If you press people hard enough, they will either die or practically die or become stronger. Those the U.S. government has effectively neutralized are not the ones you should be worried about.

    The ones you should be worried about are those who successfully clawed their way to the top, despite experiencing things like being beat up or shot for walking while Black, or hey, can’t post in a website about game without being called all manner of nigger cunt and whatnot.

    People like me come in many colors, but we all do one of only three things with our talent for social resistance: dominate, boost, or exploit.

    Whichever one we end up doing depends on what proportion of those around us treat us with the basic human respect that none of us really deserves or owes anyone else in the rawest sense, but extend to one another anyway if we want to have a working civilization.

    So what you may not owe, but would behoove you to give, is a sense of brotherhood as a citizen that others who treat you as a brother citizen give to you.

    That is all I ask from anyone. If I don’t get it, I’m not going to treat someone who hates me and wants me dead like a friend. I’m treating them like an enemy.

    If you don’t want enemy treatment, don’t behave like an enemy.

    This, in my observation, is the problem of most White and Black people bellyaching about having to go through the same crap all humans have had to go through throughout history: entitlement. They think they should be able to behave like an enemy but get the benefits of friends.

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  207. Dana,

    Wile e Coyote won’t do the trick, but as allegory, in a funny way it works. Let’s just say it’s different modalities of Wile e Coyote deployed at once.

    but in the alternative–lets just infect them with feminism like russia did to us

    LOL! Yea, that one needs to be placed on the top of the list.
    In this case, contrary to the old adage, the more eggs we put in the basket, the better.

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  208. on October 5, 2010 at 8:04 pm Manuel Atanasio Girardot Díaz

    dana:

    im pretty sure 2 piled of dust with little wile e coyote signs that say “mecca” and “media” on them in arabic would be pretty demoralizing

    you should win a prize for what is possibly the most idiotic thing anyone has ever said.

    if this were to happen, how many minutes do you think it would be, before similar piles of ashes were made of just about every remotely important redoubt of the american economy?

    one, this is not the seventeenth century anymore, in which they’d be left to fight us with sticks, stones, and scimitars.

    two, the u.s. muslim population is not zero.

    but i do love the internet, more than anything else for its ability to reveal the sheer depths of the things that cowards like you would never dare say to anyone’s face.
    i wonder just how many of the seemingly normal kids i grew up with face-to-face were, on the inside, blathering, hate-filled pieces of shit just like you?

    have a nice day.

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  209. on October 5, 2010 at 8:04 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    someitmes you

    just gotta sit back

    and
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  210. stari_momak, so you’re a track&field man huh? well that makes you a real man in my eyes.

    cee, don’t be a bee.

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  211. simon why do you dislike short people?

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  212. Gorby:

    Why no-one has suggested breeding and selecting for all of these traits and producing truly superior humans using the best traits of all of these groups, the same way we do it with other animals, is somewhat odd.

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/08/20/john-edwards-is-bringing-big-love-back/#comment-122615

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  213. The only logical conclusion is to set up concentration camps like during WWII for the Jews except the camps will house Mexicans. Is this what you are suggesting?

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  214. Roissy, good link (for those who didn’t see: http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/imm.htm). It links to the essay “Why Asians Lag” which postulates that upper-quartile verbal IQ in particular is the true indicator of GDP, which is why Asian countries/populations are lagging in GDP. I’m not sure that’s correct (there’s also a huge cultural difference: conforming is emphasized a lot more in Asian culture, where innovation is what drives GDP when resources are equally matched), but I think it could be tested by looking for the relative number of American-born Asian innovators versus white innovators in Silicon Valley. If the number is relatively low (given some difficult-to-find standard) then verbal IQ and not culture might really be the big difference.

    What this also brings to light, though, is the importance of genetic engineering for intelligence. The US and probably Europe are going to pussyfoot about and limit or ban it, while China and India will likely embrace it wholeheartedly. If this happens, China is going to be a fuckin’ powerhouse 30 to 40 years from now, where the USA will have destroyed itself via bioconservatism.

    It doesn’t seem that the long term sociological shifts in intelligence (where half-sigma deviations in the mean can have outright huge effects on the population of the ultra-smart) will have too large an effect on the more important technological innovations over the next 50 years. Beyond that, though, I can definitely see where there’s more cause for concern.

    I think the main difference here may be that I’m very used to reasoning on short time scales, being a Yudkowskyian-kinda singularitarian. Perhaps you’re more Hansonian? (Hanson’s definitely more your style. I’m not sure if you followed the Overcoming Bias AI Foom debate. Or you just think the singularity is bunk generally.)

    If I didn’t think that a technological singularity would make the point moot, I think (like you and Thiel) that I’d be very worried about an American fall in the next 30-100 years, even without taking into account the possibility of Western economic collapse via hyperinflation or what have you. So I’ve updated a little bit: I think your political emphases are reasonable. I’m not sure how useful they are, though… move to Kiev and invest in the yuan? Or what do you suggest for your readers? Hopefully not tea party gatherings…

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  215. what would they fight us with? how many nuclear aircraft carriers does the whole muslim world have? how many unmanned jets that shoot tungsten rods at their target from space? are you saying pakistan would nuke us? russia? why were we able to bomb hiroshima and nagasaki with no problem? why were we able to firebomb dresden without concern? what changed between WW2 and now to make total war impossible? i don’t understand–if i am wrong tell me why instead of calling me names. when israel bombed the osirak reactor the world got hysterical for 5 minutes, then it was over. i didnt say it wouldn’t effect us–it would, economically, etc maybe israel would get attacked, even destroyed and then time would go by, you know like it always does, and the new arrangement of the world would emerge–just like after ww2

    who cares if there are muslims here–if they riot shoot them in the street. it would be an excellent excuse to deport them–why on gods green earth should the PRESENCE of the enemy in our country determine our actions regarding them? oh, right, i forgot, only FDR was allowed to round up japanese and germans in WW2–we are magically no longer allowed to do anything we did with no problem less than 100 years ago for no reason

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  216. Manuel Atanasio Girardot Díaz,

    two, the u.s. muslim population is not zero

    So? It would be if you turn them into weremuslims.

    And BTW, some dudes in Qom don’t like Mecca and some dudes in Mecca don’t like Qom.

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  217. chicnoir said:

    “cee, don’t be a bee.”

    Habesha women age terribly.

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  218. on October 5, 2010 at 8:21 pm Mandy been here...

    Cap’nBob
    You wrote: PA, take your point about elites being supplanted, but as long as the Lefties keep their death grip on academia they shall be replaced by their clones

    I dunno about the live ability to shape minds like clay. I think human nature will overrule nurture somehow.

    I went to very liberal universities at the height of PC in the early 90s. I thought feminism and antiwhite notions were crap without ever having been taught that. I’m not a genius so I’m sure millions of others think that way. Judging by the posts here of people largely PC instructed, some jet won’t buy it.

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  219. “No one has ever said to me in 24 years of living among the liberal, elitist, latté-drinking milieus of Godless New England that “Blacks are victims simpliciter.“ It sounds idiotic. It’s also undeniably true that blacks are victims of centuries of enslavement, institutional/legal discrimination, and racism on the part of the ruling class here in the US.”

    LOL! Did you read your own post before hitting Submit? “Nobody ever says blacks are victims…by the way, blacks are victims.”

    You might want to dust off some history books. It’s undeniably true that every racial, cultural, and political group has been the victim, at one time or another, in one place or another, of the things you list. Do I think slavery in America was awful? Yes. Am I sick and tired of hearing about black slavery when a) every single race in human history has members who have suffered the same, and b) America was one of the first nations in the history of man to outlaw slavery? Hell yes!

    There are actually more slaves in the world today than when the U.S. allowed slavery, yet I never seem to hear any of the black race baiters complain about it or suggest solutions. Why are Americans made to constantly hear about and dwell on a problem that was solved with a bloody civil war a century and a half ago, yet nobody talks about the current global slave problem?

    And why is it I never see a black person stand up and say “I’m proud to be an American because America suffered terribly to rid itself of slavery” instead of “I’m a victim because my ancestors, who I never knew, were slaves”? When are blacks, as a group, going to stand up and thank whites, as a group, for ending slavery? Because they sure the hell haven’t ended it themselves on the continent they control.

    “The US stole the Southwest from Mexico, ”

    Bullshit. The whole affair traces back to the Texas revolution, something the Mexicans in Texas supported since Mexico was a politically unstable shit hole even then. Mexico never got over being butt hurt about their defeat in Texas even though the major world powers (Britain and France) told them to recognize Texas independence and leave well enough alone. Texas joined the U.S., the U.S. and Mexico started arguing over borders, and Mexico was hungry for war. They got their war and they got their butts whipped. They should be grateful we paid them for the territory we took instead of pressing on and taking their entire country from them.

    Actually, maybe we should have pressed on and taken the entire damn country. Mexicans who have a long history in America are pretty good people. It’s the Mexicans who have been raised in that cultural hell hole south of our border who seem to have the problems. Maybe if we had taken Mexico and carved it up into stable, U.S. states back then both the people of the U.S. and the people of Mexico would have been better off today. Look at how many Mexicans want to come here any way. They know they live in a shit hole, they just can’t understand that it’s not enough to leave 3rd world shit holes. You have to leave the culture that created the shit hole behind as well. (It doesn’t help that they come here and feel good liberals offer them every incentive to break the law, avoid two parent homes, and live off the system.)

    As for the territory we took, it had more Americans in it than Mexicans, and was hardly under Mexican control or authority any way (what authority they could be said to have amid all their political bullshit). Many of the Mexicans in those territories preferred to be part of America (big surprise), and America was careful to try and preserve the land holdings of those Mexicans. Their families have been an integral part of our nation and you know what? They’re not too happy with the immigration problems or the culture of the people pouring across the border either, regardless of their shared race.

    Get your history straight: Mexico made their own problems, made their own wars, and lost those territories.

    “wiped out the indigenous Amerindian tribes, ”

    I won’t defend a lot of what happened between America and the Indian tribes. But I will point out that the same shit has happened time and again as races and cultures move to occupy new lands. It’s human nature. What’s not human nature is to feel bad about it and set aside land and privileges for conquered descendants. Give America some credit where credit is due.

    “And now that democratic capitalist culture is making awkward, overbearing strides to compensate at the level of discourse you want to bitch and moan about the oppression of white people? Go fuck yourself.”

    Funny how people like you have learned nothing about the topics you whine most about. If discrimination is wrong, it’s always wrong. Encouraging hatred of and discrimination (“affirmative action” for those versed in newspeak) against whites is not going to break the cycle. It will only perpetuate it.

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  220. dana if they riot shoot them in the street

    you can hide being a muslim. some muslims look very “European”

    forget about nuclear aircraft. a few suicide bombers will be enough to send most americans full on bonkers. We’ve not had to deal with fighting on our land. Imagine if NYC turns into Bagdad.

    whiskey, you are full of it. Europe has never been a backwards place. never, never never.

    firepower maybe teh backwards tribes don’t care to live as you do. they are happy with their simple lives living close to the elements. do your toys bring you any more happines??? NO

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  221. If they are hiding the fact that they are muslim I doubt they will be marching in the streets in protest.

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  222. Did someone link this blog to daily kos or something? It is only a short jump from accepting the less than obvious biological differences in women to accepting the blatantly obvious biological differences in population groups.

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  223. yeh i was just typing that

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  224. Really? Because I pretty much pay for all of those things two with my job and my business that I run and the taxes that I pay. So I dunno who you’re talking about there pal. 3 Generations deep of never having been on the dole or taking handouts.

    Thank you for that N=1.

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  225. “Witness the reaction to Katrina: the fact that whites had to defend themselves against black looters…. ”

    What bothers me about this statement is that…if things had been the other way around…it would be spun as…

    “White people are bootstrapping, individualistic, and don’t allow the government to draw the lines of conduct during an emergency, while white people were taking responsibility for their own lives; black people on the other hand CHOOSE to allow themselves to be trampled over, while waiting for the government to save them”

    It’s bogus because any story can be spun positively or negatively…last time I checked black people didn’t control the media…

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  226. In fact here is evidence of the very thing I just mentioned…

    http://www.snopes.com/katrina/photos/looters.asp

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  227. (Talking about http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/imm.htm .)

    The analysis gives the reasonable and maybe even slightly conservative conclusions that:

    “1) By 2050 the US per capita GDP will have declined, because of third-world immigration, to 86.8% of its 2004 value.

    2) Correspondingly, from the Second Law, during this time the US mean IQ will have dropped by about 2 IQ points.”

    This is reasonable as far as it goes, but the problem is that if focuses on ‘per capita’ and ‘mean’ values. In relatively homogeneous populations those are important. But the importance of mean IQ breaks down in heterogeneous societies, as is blatantly obvious by looking at the huge academic/innovative importance of the Ashkenazi in the West. What’s important are the values at the far right of the bell curve of verbal IQ where the Ashkenazi dominate and where white folk hang out. Those populations have little admixture with the burgeoning immigrant population, and so their sizes will grow. What may be more worrying is the Idiocracy-style growth in population among low-IQ whites; but even that doesn’t matter all that much as long as high-IQ society continues to grow, either via reproduction, Flynn effects, or artificial enhancement via genetic engineering. Genetic engineering seems to be by far the biggest factor here, not Western autoimmunity.

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  228. (In case it wasn’t clear, I’m not saying there’s little interracial marriage between whites and minority members, I’m saying there’s little interracial marriage between smart whites and non-smart minority members. The difference in socioeconomic status, which is strongly correlated with IQ, keeps the high IQ populations from suffering too much admixture, thus keeps the all-important tails fat at both the left and the right sides of the bell curve. Therefore worries about immigration in the US, while worth airing if only to combat the PC bias of modern politics, are significantly overstated. The implicit class structure of the US makes the smart smarter and the dumb dumber, and because intelligence is correlated with power, this is a good thing. Maybe I wouldn’t think so if I was dumb, though.)

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  229. @Morselleaux:

    One is by breaking of the will of the enemy to fight. You pointed that one.

    The second way is to let the enemy do the job for you. That war started in 1917 and we are loosing it, thought the people that were at the inception are long gone or these of next generations no longer waging it in the original scope. It was put on an autopilot and is still going. Effective and not that expensive.

    The third way is to kill the idea that binds the enemy. Kill whatever they hold as their god. The effect is a demoralization. Can’t discuss the methods for various reasons.

    Damn, someone else sees this too. That’s exactly what has happened.

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  230. This country is getting fucked over and ravaged in broad daylight, and half the people here are whining about politics and REAL SHIT that’s destroying your whole culture and lifestyle. I can’t believe how many betas are on these comment boards.

    Politics = alpha

    Being so myopic that the only thing you care about in your life is your next lay = beta

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  231. on October 5, 2010 at 8:57 pm Blessent mon coeur

    GC’s White Sea link* didn’t work for me. It took me to the general Berkely alumni page**.

    *http://alumni.berkeley.edu/Alumni/Cal_Monthly/November_2004/QA-_A_conversation_with_Yuri_Slezkine.asp

    **http://alumni.berkeley.edu/

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  232. TG,
    It is one minor caption next to a picture, don’t blow it out of proportion. I don’t think anyone objected to people in New Orleans finding food and water where ever they could since they were in a desperate situation. Taking TVs and things like that would be considered looting.

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  233. Uh, no. This is the point of autoimmune deficiency and where people go off the rails about whites: the system is compromised. White people built this system, not minorities. Go to every country where the minorities came from and you will usually find either a government that resembles a pre-Progressive U.S. politics (all politics is Progressive since about the Depression. Most of the old school conservative holdouts were gone by the 1960s) or you find the transnationalists. The elites in many countries around the world are all Ivy League educated, the operant ruling class of the United States has parasitically captured much of the globe.

    The high IQ population is not growing, the fertility rate is below replacement. Even if it grew, it is growing slower than the overall population. At best you’re looking at a return to something similar to the Middle Ages.

    If genetic engineering happens under the current regime, they will remove the high IQ advantage of small groups such as the Jews and Chinese in Southeast Asian countries. China has 1.5 billion people to defend their kin, what happens to Israel if its surrounded by 200 million Arabs who are as smart as they are? It will be the final suicidal step and fulfill the West’s nihilist path.

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  234. It’s long past time for Whites to start thinking and acting like a tribe.

    Whites are in fuckin’ trouble otherwise.

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  235. i agree with j r. put the politics in a separate partition of CR.

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  236. Robert W
    It’s long past time for Whites to start thinking and acting like a tribe.

    Whites are in fuckin’ trouble otherwise.

    You may be on to someting but too bad it will never happen. that’s just not human nature.

    [Editor: And the Crusades were?]

    + too many bad times between europeans

    http://chicnoirhouse.blogspot.com/2010_10_05_archive.html#6569033105875761919

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  237. Robert, the problem with that is that it’s hard to be a tribe and a caste at the same time.

    White “nationalists” mostly want to be the ruling caste. They want there to be certain benefits for being White, and still have everyone else around doing the grunt work.

    If they really wanted to be a tribe, I’d have no problem with it. My problem with them is mainly that, as a westerner, I don’t want any color to be a caste. I want the best scientists working on our technology, the best athletes on my screen, the best construction workers building my roads, the best teachers teaching, and the best leaders in political office, etc.

    So I have the same problem with a caste system as I do with affirmative action. Granted, there will never be a purely merit based system, but to have a working civilization with different races coexisting, there needs to be some way up for the strong, and some way down for the weak. This is one of those things that is both natural and pro civilization. There has to be a balance between the human and the humane.

    If White people decided to kick everybody else out, you’d have to do all your own grunt work, and I could respect that. What I don’t respect is people who can barely handle the intellectual load of being fry cooks who think scientists or doctors should be cleaning their toilets because of color.

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  238. “b) America was one of the first nations in the history of man to outlaw slavery? Hell yes!”

    bzzz…wrong. England, France, Australia…there’s a reason enslaved people ran to Canada to escape.

    “There are actually more slaves in the world today than when the U.S. allowed slavery,”

    WTF are you talking about? between 1500-1800 more then 9 million people were sold across the Atlantic ocean to the Americas. This is not an estimate. Shippers kept logs of their cargo. And at the time of the Civil War US slaveholders held 4 million people.

    And why are you defending the institution of slavery, anyways? People, please.

    remember Lincoln? Patriotic Americans don’t defend slavery.

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  239. I’m an alpha, so I’m involved in politics.

    Unlike all beta pussies, I’m taking action.

    I’m gonna sit here all night typing away until my keyboard starts smoking ‘cuz I’m a man of action.

    And an alpha.

    And not gay.

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  240. on October 5, 2010 at 9:45 pm The Alchemist

    j r

    the differences in IQ and in culture that exists between sub-saharan africa and the european continent arose precisely because europe became a cosmopolitan place and africa remained largely tribal.

    Europeans became smarter because they built aqueducts and cities. They didn’t build the cities because they were smarter.
    Got it. Now I know why the sub-saharans never took a trip up the Nile to see little Egypt on their own continent.

    if every tribe stayed in its place, then the whole world would look like the amazon or the congo or the jungles of papau new guinea

    Too bad those differently-enabled Noble Savages never thought to invent sextants, navigation equipment, sailing vessels, alphabets or even flush toilets. Then, they could’ve spread their knowledge of making mud huts.

    Great points, Einstein. It’s nice of you to shoot yourself in the foot…twice.

    If you weren’t such a feckless moron, this might be fun for me.

    Firepower, you are one dumb fucking ignornant twit. Your wrestling with a topic that you’re clearly have not studied and your mouth frothing is downright embarrasing. Geography and environmental factors were the main determinants of how societies and their cultures developed; Not innate intelligence. This is not news to anyone who’s bothered to read more on the subject than the sophmoric rants of some halfwitted blogger.

    In developing societies, the affects of: agriculture/locally available crops, minerals/ores, indigenous animals available for domestication, location of inhibiting geographical barriers such as oceans and mountain ranges/deserts or weather, proximity to other culters, all are the major determinants in the rate, breadth and depth of how societies developed and their collective intelligence. the development of technologies, weapons, economies and systematized learning and all the trappings of advanced civilizations are directly related and attributable to geographical locale. Eurasia has, by far, the most advantageous geographical setup…which is why they were the first to develop more advanced civilizations. Not because they’re innately more intelligent, you fucking imbecile.

    Get your dumb ass to the library and start reading up on the subject. You can start with “Guns, Germs and Steel” by Jared Diamond.

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  241. on October 5, 2010 at 10:41 pm Gunslingergregi

    The blog typing shit is making a diference.

    Look at comment sections in msm lolzzzzzzzzzzz

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  242. lolz.
    I guess we will become the Balkans. I note that none of the “you’re xenophobic xenophobes who blah blah blah” have actually said, “you know, we give a lot back and love this country as much as the next peckerwood.”
    You look at us like a piggy bank. You’re going to be sorely surprized once you kill off the panty waists.

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  243. @jr

    “i’ll just take my savings and head to some central american beach where i can make boat drinks and lay in my hammock.”

    That’s nice–reeeal nice!! Seriously, I’d like that too.

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  244. Remember, we’re sexists, not racists here. Get it right.

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  245. As for guns, germs, and steel, they all seemed to be favored by those who followed God. The books is cool but also a big smooch to those who failed to achieve what the West did.

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  246. on October 5, 2010 at 11:08 pm Gunslingergregi

    You don’t need to move if you just want to make your own boat drinks and lay in a hammock.

    You can do that now.

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  247. on October 5, 2010 at 11:12 pm Gunslingergregi

    “you know, we give a lot back and love this country as much as the next peckerwood.”

    No shit right. I think I gave enough. Now time to enjoy the earned respite and not make my own boat drinks or even change out my own movies or feed myself.

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  248. on October 5, 2010 at 11:18 pm Gunslingergregi

    People want you to feel like you owe something for being succesfull against all odds.

    Fuck that.

    Enjoying yourself is not wrong when you earned it for a man.

    Just like a woman who earns a nice relaxing life by having a kid.

    A man can earn a nice relaxing life by making and saving money.

    Except the man earns it.

    Woman can do it to.

    If you put in the work you deserve to reap the benefits.

    Course yea still hard to believe how easy it is to do and why the fuck so many people struggle like this shit is hard.

    Treat life like a video game and you will beat it in a short time.

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  249. what part of the word “alien” dont u people understand?

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  250. on October 5, 2010 at 11:47 pm Gunslingergregi

    I think people are afraid to live their dream life because it might not be enough.

    Better to keep the dream than live the reality probably.

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  251. it really seems like the author and roissy should just get out of dc or suburbia or wherever the fuck and spend some time in the south. ain’t nobody indoctrinatin us or havin’ us doubtin’ our superiority. as a matter of fact, we’ve always been the smartest of the white species. we were the first to bolt the union when the pc liberals fucked up our economic and social model, and would have won the War of Northern Agression if it weren’t for being so gud-dam lazy and unlearned, what with it bein so hot and fucking stupid down here.

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  252. on October 5, 2010 at 11:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””What it’s like to date Tucker Max: http://bit.ly/bl55xp Asshole game wins the day… ””””’

    lol cr she only did it for a year though and calls it unconditional love and thinks she is special. Entitled bitch he he he

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  253. hello?

    WTF are you talking about? between 1500-1800 more then 9 million people were sold across the Atlantic ocean to the Americas. This is not an estimate. Shippers kept logs of their cargo. And at the time of the Civil War US slaveholders held 4 million people.

    “Worldwide estimates are that 27 million men, women, and children, even babies, are in slavery today, at any given time, a number much greater than any other period in recorded history and exponentially growing.”

    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/kralis/060718

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  254. Black guys like Steven Thrasher, who wrote “White America Has Lost Its Mind,” are proof there is no allying with Blacks, Gorby.

    The short-term interest of making Whites a minority, over-rides the long-term interests of guys like Thrasher, who writes for the Village Voice and does reporting for NPR. Total SWPL territory. BUT … he depends on the whole “hate Whitey” stuff as a third-rate AA hire. And like all third-raters, he hates the folks he is dependent on, Whites. Thrasher explicitly allies himself with Mexicans and Muslims to “take over America” from Whites. He even believes that Mexicans, Blacks, and Muslims are future sources of wealth, not Whites.

    White Nationalism is a dead end. What is not is asking, what’s in it for me?

    Thrasher is dead meat if NYC tips over into La Raza. But still, he wants it. Because it helps him with SWPL folks who get thrills from Black Nationalism and “kill White Babies” which is pretty much what most Black people think if not actually say (the New Black Panthers are not exactly excluded from Black culture).

    Notice Nicole still won’t answer, what’s in it for me, as a White man, to suddenly be made a minority in my own nation, and a third-class one at that?

    Because she has no answer other than shaming (not interested), moral arguments (not interested), etc. Really, I want to know, what’s in it for ME?

    WHATS IN IT FOR ME?

    That’s how you fight PC.

    Chic — You must think History began in 1500. I assure you, in Western Europe, between the fall of the Western Roman Empire in 476 AD, and 815 AD, there were no coins in circulation. Almost no cities. Average height fell a full FOOT. Population fell by 50%. Trade with North Africa ceased, and barbarian invasions, Vikings, and Muslims beset those living there. Before the Romans, there were barbarian tribes with no literacy, after them, the same until the Middle Ages.

    Its called the Dark Ages for a reason.

    This is why Non-Whites just don’t get it. The fall of the Roman Empire in the West has such a special horror. Because what came after it was in fact, horrible. Our picture of nuclear holocaust is basically the Dark Ages. Rome was the eternal city. It had not been touched for over 500 years. Not even Hannibal, touched it. Yet the Visigoths sacked it like a tiny provincial town. Law, order, safety, decency, literacy, civilization itself along with Latin pretty much vanished. Only the Church had any left at all.

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  255. Speaking of slavery… during the communist regime era, there were about 80k Vietnamese working as slaves in Czechoslovakia factories to pay off Vietnam’s debt. They were confined to their dormitories, had no rights whatsoever, and only a token salary to buy sundries. They were released from bondage after the regime fall. They never formed any reparation or entitlement interest group, becoming street vendors first and then restaurant or small shop owners later. Admirable people.

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  256. Whether the US people have higher IQ or not cannot be disputed but one fact point blank is Chinese are going to number one in next couple of years. With huge population and resources with immunity from various global issues and problem China would excel in faster pace than the USA. What people in the US would require to do would be learning Chinese!

    Learn Chinese if you want to survive!

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  257. “Why no-one has suggested breeding and selecting for all of these traits and producing truly superior humans using the best traits of all of these groups, the same way we do it with other animals, is somewhat odd. Unless these traits are mutually exclusive, ie, some Black disease/aging resistance versus IQ, more conformist behavior that seems to transcend culture among Asians versus sexual/social dominance among whites/blacks, … etc. – unless these are mutually exclusive zero-sum games, …”

    Blacks as a race may have considerable athletic talent, but they certainly do not have higher disease resistance across the board vs. other races. In fact, according to CDC data they have the *highest* susceptibility to every major cancer (lung, prostate, breast, colon, ovarian, lymphoma, etc.) of any race in the US.

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  258. In fact, the only cancer they suffer less frequently vs. light-skinned races is skin cancer.

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  259. A number of people from Indian subcontinent working in Arab countries and cities have status almost of a slave. Many Indian workers marched in one city in America for they were put like slave. Slavery is ubiquitous.

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  260. And, last but not least, they have the highest age-adjusted death rate for heart disease and renal failure, the highest incidence of type II diabetes, and the highest prevalence of high blood pressure of any race in the US. So no, I wouldn’t argue that they have any specific advantages in terms of disease resistance or hardiness.

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  261. The second law of thermodynamics states that the total entropy of any system will not decrease other than by increasing the entropy of some other system.

    Little do most people know, as evidenced by this amateur debate is that most phenomena is explained by quite well by science. Every system must break back down to it basic, simplest state.

    I think the real anxiety by people who discuss this is what is the timeline? “When is the end of the world?” Will we have colonized a section of space when it finally unravels or does the current debt crisis portend the radical restrure of society? I think history shows this realocation of energies, relative to our lifespan, moves at a snails pace. The good DNA will best navigate the every changing landscape and ride the glacial shift; just like we always have.

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  262. @ Alchemist

    It’s funny how often the cultural relativism that’s lauded in that pop-sci book GG&S is used as a counter-point used by leftists in any racial discussion. Yes, Alchemist, I am sure you are indeed an erudite on the subject. Just like I am sure that environmental factors have no effect on the DNA of progeny of a tribe after millennia. (Forget the more obvious phenotypes like lactose-intolerance that developed).

    Also love how you call into question various poster’s intelligence here. So clearly you do believe in such a nebulous concept as innate intelligence, even though I guess most here seem to lack it. At least you’re a step up from the Stephen Jay Gould types who claim it impossible to develop a metric for man’s cognitive and reasoning abilities.

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  263. @simon

    “To those who say they will be sitting at the bar having a drink while civilization dies. FUCK YOU. Do something! Create something, teach someone. I for one love my country and I want to see it come back from the brink. ”

    No disrespect, but what is in it for me? Why should I give monumental effort in a probably unsuccessful attempt to rebuild society? I wouldn’t even know where to begin. Will I sleep better at night knowing that I gave my best years trying to save the country? Am I going to get rich doing so? Will women swoon at my feat?

    No. If the incentives and reward (our only biological function to reproduce aka fuck) of working hard are taken away, there is nothing left to work for.

    And that’s the point.

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  264. Get your dumb ass to the library and start reading up on the subject. You can start with “Guns, Germs and Steel” by Jared Diamond.

    lol. You should read Steve Sailer’s review of that book – the entire thing is a rip-off of earlier work and contains more blank slatism that the Tribe loves to get everyone to believe so that no one notices its priviledged status.

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  265. “Speaking of slavery… during the communist regime era, there were about 80k Vietnamese working as slaves in Czechoslovakia”

    These are various forms of coercive labor. People who are kidnapped and forced to labor are not slaves, they are kidnap victims. But legal slavery — slavery supported by a state and by that state’s legal code is a very specific institution.

    One of the worst parts of Atlantic plantation slavery was the legal sale of children. This type of slavery was hereditary. Any children born of an enslaved woman was enslaved for life. That child could be bought and sold and separated from his parents. That’s a particular kind of hell for parents and children.

    Obviously, this is not to claim that it’s better to be kidnapped and held in illegal bondage. But at least those fuckers can’t legally inherit other people’s children.

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  266. raliv, you are the best ally of those that would take away your incentive and reward. They already know that you’ll let them.

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  267. One final thing — the history of slavery really puts into focus all of the nihilism on this thread. Complain, complain, complain…

    For fuck’s sake – you never see really oppressed people threatening suicide, or proclaiming nihilism, or what not.

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  268. hello?, you haven’t got a go at that link, did you? It does not matter whether it is enshrined in a legal code or not when the effect is the same. There are ways how to make slavery practically inherited.

    Speaking of which… make no mistake. Our children are effectively being sold to slavery as we type. The massive debt that is accruing daily can’t have but one of two results: A) slavery that can be effectively inheritable because the interest on the debt will grow faster than their ability to repay it. B) An ugly war the likes have never been seen yet.

    The course can be changed, in November and in 2012. If they are not and there is more of “why-should-I-care’s”, then the course as noted above is set.

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  269. hey cr,

    you have proven yourself a fuckface in this post. no trolling.

    [Editor: You proved yourself a retard from your very first comment here.]

    if michael blowhard isn’t embarrassed by this post — i think he would be but who knows — then he is a huge dissapointment.

    [“let’s you and him fight”]

    u guys suck.

    [Kill yourself]

    as fagfuck firestorm would say:

    mout

    [Have you made your decision for suicide?]

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  270. “b) America was one of the first nations in the history of man to outlaw slavery? Hell yes!”

    “bzzz…wrong. England, France, Australia…there’s a reason enslaved people ran to Canada to escape.”

    I said ONE OF THE FIRST. List all the nations that have existed ranked by their elimination of slavery. America is right near the top. Most never bothered to even try.

    Someone already corrected you as to my factual statement that there are more slaves today than when America allowed slavery.

    “And why are you defending the institution of slavery, anyways?”

    You apparently have a reading comprehension problem as I’ve never said anything in defense of slavery.

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  271. Only betas think that “civilization is about to collapse.” Alphas are too busy getting poon to obsess over such things.

    Every generation thinks it’s the last.

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  272. Every generation thinks it’s the last, but not every generation is correct about it, as this generation is.

    Unless we do something about it.

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  273. AHE

    mout

    Don’t let the door hit your derriere.

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  274. Rarfy

    Only betas think that “civilization is about to collapse.” Alphas are too busy getting poon to obsess over such things.

    Alphas age getting poon without much effort, so no, they aren’t that busy not to notice other things. If you are too busy getting poon, it may mean that poon is becoming your master, getting over your head, instead of your play field. Or you may be a two dimensional character in a poon cartoon flick.

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  275. Whether advocating or not advocating, slavery would remain in some form in this world. It may not be as visible as visible in earlier centuries for the reason that no society wants to be called exploiters or regressive. The worst slavery human should fear of is delusion.

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  276. Whiskey asks, “WHATS IN IT FOR ME?”

    I already told you: a functioning society.

    If that holds no value for you then I suppose that there is nothing in it for you.

    It holds value to me, which is why I didn’t promptly murder every person who called me a racial slur over the course of my life.

    …not sure if you’d have that level of self control.

    That mistrust is part of the problem, but it’s really hard to shake when people run around asking what’s in it for them to be civil.

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  277. Actually, the big question every White guy should be asking himself is, “Why don’t people trust me?”

    I can concede that part of the reason is propaganda, but you guys (not anybody personally here, generic brand “White” guys in general) do a lot to lend credence to it. It’s like a Black thug or whore complaining that Black people are too often depicted as thugs and whores on television.

    If you embody the stereotype of a volatile, butthurt, White caste promoter or a heartless devil, you can’t well complain that people assume this is what you are on sight.

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  278. on October 6, 2010 at 6:53 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””””Nicole
    Actually, the big question every White guy should be asking himself is, “Why don’t people trust me?”

    I can concede that part of the reason is propaganda, but you guys (not anybody personally here, generic brand “White” guys in general) do a lot to lend credence to it. It’s like a Black thug or whore complaining that Black people are too often depicted as thugs and whores on television.”””””’

    Nicole that was fucking retarted. Next.

    ”””’That mistrust is part of the problem, but it’s really hard to shake when people run around asking what’s in it for them to be civil.”””

    I don’t think people are talking about being civil we already do that. What in it for me is about what should we put in a lifetime of work for and have the kids and shit instead of being more selfish and not taking on the added responsibility when society fucks us for it and is not civil to men at all.

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  279. on October 6, 2010 at 7:00 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””’Pat
    Every generation thinks it’s the last, but not every generation is correct about it, as this generation is.

    Unless we do something about it.

    ””’

    Yup this is the end of civilization as we know it or war as we know it coming to a theatre near you.

    No cowboy shit going to stop it.

    Might as well enjoy yourself.

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  280. Okay, I’ll go a step further and provide solutions, though you’re not going to like it because it’ll read vaguely like Obsidian.

    First of all, before you point the finger at anyone else, you need to clean up your own mess. You were the majority in the U.S. and you shaped the society, the laws, the media…nobody else had the numbers or level of influence to do any of that until recently, and now it’s just the numbers. White men still own the most stuff and have command of the most money, and hey, you’re even statistically, the most intelligent.

    So whatever the problems are in the U.S. or Europe, are problems you created and currently exascerbate through your wrong behavior.

    At the root of this wrong behavior is the conflating of feminism, blank slatism (hard core human social determinism), and leftism with humanism.

    You guys here in this blog mostly know that this is the big lie. This should be shouted from the mountain tops, and each and every one of you should use whatever influence you have to stomp it out.

    Each of you who can build a website or make a blog should have one on at least one of the following:

    anti feminism
    game
    natural diet
    real American history
    western civilization
    whatever you can think of to spread truth and bust the trendy myths

    The doctors should be gathering information and giving more air time to studies that prove how living like a real human has medical and psychological benefits.

    The people involved in civil planning should be writing about how cities can be built that facilitate family life, community, and more physical activity.

    Everybody should be opening their mouths and talking about what’s going wrong, and how to fix it.

    Then, in real life application, none of you should be helping women to become your enemies. Tell your daughters, wives, and other female relatives when they’re screwing up. If you’re going to get married or cohabitate with anyone, get a prenup or community property waiver.

    While you’re dating, be a bit scary, and make it clear that you are an old fashioned guy, and that the penalty for betraying you is good old fashioned death, not half your property. If she wants to leave, she can leave, but if she cheats on you or tries to steal from you, she’s gonna die.

    If that’s too much for you, make it clear that she will get nothing from you if she screws you because you will sell the house for a penny or something else crazy just not to give money to the worst kind of whore.

    Demand natural food on your table. Don’t fall into the redefined “manhood” trap. Arrange your life so that you either make enough to support a family or get with a girl with some business sense who can work at home or do a job that doesn’t require Conchita to be her substitute mother.

    Require your girlfriends know how to cook, clean, and take care of babies. If they can’t then they’re not girlfriends, just bitches.

    The ones profitting the most from affirmative action are White women, not Blacks or Hispanics. Get your shit together, and then you’ll be in a stronger position to do something about competitors for resources.

    If you live in an area where it is impossible to find a woman who is or can be deprogrammed, get one from Europe, and import some realistic, sustainable culture into the White community. Call it “touching base” or “getting back to your roots”.

    If you’re in a position to, promote European culture. Put some money into boosting the image of real manhood and real womanhood at public events. Don’t hire bikini girls who look like trussed up trannies.

    If you own or manage a strip club, hire women who look like women. Don’t hire girls with fake boobs. Hire young ones who are healthy and naturally perky. Put them on a natural diet and make them exercise in ways that enhance femininity like a smart pimp. When they sag, fire them or make them waitresses who have to keep their top on.

    Don’t lie to the older women you shag or the ones you see trying to play cougar. Add “…for your age,” to your compliments.

    Even if you do actually start a relationship with them, don’t puff up their egos on a lie. If by some miracle you have a stable age gap relationship, she should be grateful that you are there.

    Young women need to be grateful too. If a woman does not show you sufficient appreciation and gratitude, dump her ass. Do not put up with the entitlement crap.

    When you are manly, you are more dependable, and more trustworthy. It is unmanliness and dropping the ball that makes you appear to be volatile and untrustworthy.

    If your women know that you are stable, reliable, do not put up with crap, and are strong, they lean on you instead of looking for the dick of “Dextah” either literally or figuratively or politically.

    Then, from a strong position, with a strong culture, you can say that you do have actual ideals and values that are a real American culture for others to emulate and support.

    When people want to be like you, the problem will be mostly solved. Just about all men want to be perceived as manly.

    There is still time, while you have the most cultural influence, to work some propaganda of your own. So work that.

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  281. on October 6, 2010 at 7:12 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””’For fuck’s sake – you never see really oppressed people threatening suicide, or proclaiming nihilism, or what not.””””

    You don’t think a man that makes minimum wage or gets his business fucked up in a divorce is opressed.

    Come on now.

    Ok nicole maybe you were right don’t trust the white man he he he

    He probably means well when he sends you to the poorhouse and jail.

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  282. on October 6, 2010 at 7:14 am Gunslingergregi

    It is not the minorities that can’t trust the white man it is the other white men who their bleeding hearts for the downtrodden minorities and woman can’t help but oppress.

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  283. Guns says, “I don’t think people are talking about being civil we already do that. What in it for me is about what should we put in a lifetime of work for and have the kids and shit instead of being more selfish and not taking on the added responsibility when society fucks us for it and is not civil to men at all.”

    Thing is, you (White people, not you specifically) made the society. If you made it a self fucking society, then you only have yourselves to blame.

    If someone comes into my house, they have to respect my property. If they don’t, they’re getting kicked out.

    First, you let your women disrespect you, and now you’re upset that the men and women of other cultures don’t respect you.

    If you see a guy getting cussed at and pushed around in public by his woman, and doing nothing about it, do you think he’s a strong man?

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  284. on October 6, 2010 at 7:24 am Gunslingergregi

    I quit there are just too many minorities.

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  285. Guns, think is that there aren’t really minorities. There are just blocs. Saying that they’re minorities fosters the victim mentality. There isn’t a shortage of Africans or Mexicans in the world. There are just fewer in some countries than others.

    When people come to live in America, they should be American first. Whatever background they have adds to the flavors no more or less than being in one or another clan did in Europe. That’s the western model. You can be from whatever clan you like, but there is some stuff that is American and everybody has to adhere to that.

    If you want American rights, you have to perform your American responsibilities.

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  286. @If you want American rights, you have to perform your American responsibilities.//

    Are American rights and American duties different from other parts of the world??

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  287. @DT

    You wrote,

    “LOL! Did you read your own post before hitting Submit? “Nobody ever says blacks are victims…by the way, blacks are victims.”

    There’s no way you can be this stupid.

    The guy quoted in the initial post said,

    “everyone has been told — over and over and over again — that blacks are victims rather than victimizers when the reality is the complete opposite.”

    I pointed out two very basic and obvious things that demonstrate what a ridiculous claim* this is.

    1. I have never heard anyone say “blacks are victims simpliciter.” — It’s right there in my first post. If you need to look up any of those words, I suggest you do so.

    2. Blacks have indisputably been systematically rendered victims of particular historical institutions foisted upon them by the ruling establishment in the US.

    Since I can only assume your opening remark is indicative of your (dismal) IQ (lol), I’m not going to bother reading the rest of your response.

    *Seriously, ridiculous. It’s either a meaningless statement or a manifestly false one. The whole rant is suffused with vague and incoherent categorical judgments about entire ethnic groups and the inexorable trajectory of Western civilization. You have to be utterly indifferent to clarity, seriousness, and rigor to take this shit seriously.

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  288. LJ, a bit, yes. France is mostly French people, and Germany mostly German people, but the U.S. has all kinds of people, like many countries in the Americas. The indigenous population isn’t running the country, plus there are stable populations of many ethnicities.

    So Americans are more compelled to get along with others, and so nationalism is somewhat distinct from ethnocentrism. This creates an understandable dilema for people.

    Things are made even worse with the blurring of ethnic groups into larger groups mislabelled as races, and the discounting of various groups’ struggles to be American and make decent lives for themselves. Some major events in western history are completely left out in order to create the impression that Whites are one big generic group that has been somehow uniformly privileged after whatever big revolution each country had that overthrew its monarchy.

    A Polish immigrant in the early 1900’s may not have been held in the cargo hold of a ship, swimming in his own and others’ feces, but once he arrived, his life was no better than that of a slave in the 1800’s. He was considered a disposable resource, and his boss didn’t care for his life. He was, for all intents and purposes, a slave, and living in a kind of squalor no plantation owner would tolerate because the vermin would inevitably make its way to the big house. So the eastern European immigrants lived essentially in slave shanty towns much like some do in Mexico and South America today, only bitterly more cold in winter.

    Ask someone who went to school in the U.S. how much time was spent learning about slavery and the Holocaust compared to the dirty deeds of early industrialists. Ask any random American what they know about the Polish resistance in WWII.

    You know what I was told about the Polish resistance in school?

    Not a word.

    Nobody but Polish people themselves, and people educated enough or curious enough to explore for themselves, in the U.S. know how tough Polish people are…and they’re just one example.

    Yep, the thing is rotten at the roots. White people’s cultures were purposefully obscured, and the base of their identity undermined to paint them first as an elite class, and then as uniformly villains.

    They’ve internalized this and now come in two main flavors: butthurt caste-ists who think they have been robbed because they deserve special privileges for just being White, and liberals carrying White guilt. Very few of them are even descended or at least exclusively descended from the people who did the dirt of the past, but because their identity is “White American” and not American of European ancestry, or hey, even just American, they feel like they are owed something or owe something because they’re White.

    How this munging of ethnic lines plays out day to day is that the big umbrella groups carry identity issues and stereotypes that are, for large chunks of them, inappropriate.

    When you look at the biological mechanisms that lead to racism or tribalism, they mostly come from sensitivity to unfamiliar faces. Different groups are going to have different levels of sensitivity naturally, so one European race may be more prone to a more severe type of racism than another, but everybody who’s White gets tarred with the same brush.

    So when Joe Anglo and his buddies go and lynch a Black guy, Sven Nordic feels guilty.

    If people buy into it, they can be manipulated into all sorts of things like subsidizing others’ stupidity or enacting policies that tie the hands of everyone just because a small group needs to have tougher consequences for crimes they’re prone to.

    They were, in fact, convinced to embrace rabid feminism as the progressive, civilized, and White thing to do, partly based on the treatment of women by men more prone to family violence than others. To be sufficiently civlilized and assimilated, which White Americans pride themselves in being, you had to be feminist.

    To understand why and how this happened, just look at who’s making the most money from the destruction of identity.

    So Americans have a tougher balance than others. It’s totally do-able if people can keep things in perspective, but it is difficult for people to resist authority, especially when it looks like it’s for their benefit.

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  289. Will,

    You assert that blacks have been the victims of discrimination during most of the history of the US. This is correct.

    Should this premise be used as grounds for different treatment TODAY under the law?

    This goes for any other minority who has been oppressed of discriminated against in the history of the US, including, but not limited to, Italians, Poles, Native Americans, and the Japanese.

    Should we create a “discrimination index” where treatment under the law is a function of existing standards and historical discrimination?

    For example, a white person, Native American, and African American are under being tried separately for 3 unrelated murders of the same degree. They were all identical and the evidence is clear as day. However, due to discrimination, should:

    The white person receive 50 years
    Native American 30 years
    and African American 10 years?

    As soon as legal standing is influenced by anything but citizenship rule of law ceases to exist.

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  290. wow, again.

    this blog was started by a guy who hangs out with roosh and vk and started writing about navigating the jungle that is the DC dating scene. by necessity a blog about game has to take on a few PC half-truths, but now it’s basically become stormfront. what an incredibly journey of self-awareness this site has taken. it’s inspiring.

    [Editor: Right, one or two posts on human nature and politics every month and suddenly it’s stormfront.
    Please off yourself, you lying sack of shit.]

    you race realist types like to talk about empirics, about averages and percents. think about this. some small percentage of people who hold opinions outside of the mainstream are visionaries. the platos and galileos and darwins who realize the truth far in advance of their contemporaries. the overwhelming majority, however, are just self-delusional cranks with an ax to grind. every homeless schizophrenic standing on the street corner ranting about black helicopters thinks that he holds in his mind some great and profound truth.

    [Sometimes the black helicopter really does exist.]

    likewise, every bitter keyboard jockey who daydreams of rounding up mexicans or bombing muslims or shipping all the blacks back to africa imagines himself in that former category of visionaries, but according to the percentages you’re probably in the latter. chances are that you’re just stupid.

    [Who said anything about bombing american muslims? Just prevent more of them from emigrating here. That should go a long way to solving the problem of their gutter religion soiling this country’s poolside time. Hyperbole, heal thyself.]

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  291. Please off yourself, you lying sack of shit.]

    even your rejoinders are a pale imitation of the original. it’s all bitterness and venom, delivered with none of the lyrical deftness that typifies the earlier writing.

    [Editor: You don’t deserve my best.]

    also, it’s interesting how feminine your insults become when someone gets a bit too close to the truth.

    [Spot the irony.]

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  292. JR, your criticism is crybaby crap. You’re a lib, fine. Feel free to debate or STFU on the more political threads. But go ahead and noice that this isn’t a pure PUA blog. It’s social commentary plus poon, and has been this way for years now. The motto is “where pretty lies perish” not “swooping chicks.”

    I doubt that the proprietors are gonna reevaluate their offering just because you and a handful of unknown commetners pop up to cry “stick to poon” only to disappear again.

    If you want a more pure PUA blog, read Roosh. If you want PUA blog with a leftie tilt, read The G Manifesto.

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  293. JR, your criticism is crybaby crap. You’re a lib, fine. Feel free to debate or STFU on the more political threads.

    yes, that’s it. i’m crying. no. i’m not “a lib,” at least not in the sense that you mean it. and i have been debating.

    i’ve been making the same point over and over. ethnic nationalism is garbage ideology that people use to make themselves feel better about their own personal shortcomings. it’s garbage when blacks use it and it’s garbage when whites do it.

    if you really want to defend this country and what it stands for, then stand up for the enlightenment principles under which it was founded. that’s my only message.

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  294. With this post and the reactions to it, the bright light of truth reveals the dregs that are left to comment here.

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  295. even typing the word “bitter” makes a man gay

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  296. ethnic nationalism is garbage ideology

    Ethnic nationalism is a normal a part of being human. I would be more accurate in calling Internationalism a garbage ideology.

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  297. if you really want to defend this country and what it stands for, then stand up for the enlightenment principles under which it was founded.

    Enlightenment principles are nice but if they become a country’s defining identity, the country perishes.

    Analogy: being a good friend is nice. But if you define yourself as nothing more than a good friend, then your buddies will walk into your house whenever they want to, grope your girl, drink all your beer and fuck your cat. In order for that not to happen, your “good friend” identiy must yield to your “homeowner” identity.

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  298. [Editor: Hey Chiclet, what do you think of airdropping 80 million whites and Chinese into Ethiopia? Think about that scenario for a bit. Let it sink in. What does your heart tell you?]

    the difference is is those countries are hell holes, why would any white person choose to go there. Yet the moral imperative is on us to let them in; but sure as shit the left wouldn’t want us to preach to them or export or values to them. Although, 80 million crackers in china would literally be a drop in the bucket.

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  299. Well then I’m alpha. Nobody’s ever fucked my cat.

    Oh wait. I own a cat. Shit.

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  300. J R said:

    “if you really want to defend this country and what it stands for, then stand up for the enlightenment principles under which it was founded. that’s my only message.”

    Maybe I’m wasting my time or I’m being an attention whore right now, fuck do I know.

    Dude,

    I’m going to keep it simple, I’m not going to quote history and all that other shit, because the “race issue” in America is not that complicated. People like you talk about “enlightenment principles”. That’s bullshit. Minorities (and liberals) don’t like America (White People). They don’t want to assimilate. They want to take it over and change it into something else that isn’t America. We are not being extreme, we are just telling the truth because the country is going down the toilet and given the attitudes of the minorities, about the only thing you can do is kick most of them out. We are not trying to act like visionaries because this isn’t profound knowledge.

    I’m not even a “White Nationalist” or whatever. I’m a person from a minority who is around minorities all the time and I can honestly tell you they don’t like America and White People. But they all want to shop/live with white people and the men lust after white women.

    “ethnic nationalism is garbage ideology that people use to make themselves feel better about their own personal shortcomings.”

    In some cases this is true, but you don’t sound bright enough to tell that this isn’t the case with this subject.

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  301. The Alchemist – j r – The Cock of Obama – gbfm

    Geography and environmental factors were the main determinants of how societies and their cultures developed; Not innate intelligence.

    Liberal-indoctrination University drivel.

    Germans and Britons were sitting on miles of forest and minerals – still shitting in their huts – centuries after Rome defoliated the Italian peninsula… to subsequently set out in WOODEN SAILING SHIPS to conquer more. But, then again, you think England was landlocked.

    … all the trappings of advanced civilizations are directly related and attributable to geographical locale. Eurasia has, by far, the most advantageous geographical setup…which is why they were the first to develop more advanced civilizations. Not because they’re innately more intelligent, you fucking imbecile.

    Now, I do feel heartily sorry for those poor Clovis Amerindians who had to make do with the feeble resources of North America.

    Get your dumb ass to the library and start reading up on the subject. You can start with “Guns, Germs and Steel” by Jared Diamond

    Gee. What a surprise – the guy who got Rick Sanchez fired. Do you mean Jared Diamondstein, Jared Diamondberg or Jared Diamondsteinbergfarb?

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  302. Wow!

    Can you tell there’s an important election looming or something?

    Cry HAVOC! And Let Slip the Dogs of War!!

    GBFM:

    “someitmes you

    just gotta sit back

    and
    lzlzozlzlzlozozlzlzllzlzlzllzlzlzlzlzlzlzoz”

    …and bask in the sheer chaotic ferocity!

    AAAAhhhhhhhhh!! Like warm ways of sunlight falling on my face…

    Funniest fucking comment so far (still reading):

    “Main difference is the NYT is an actual business that attempts to generate a profit…”

    AHAHHAHAHHAHAHA!

    Stop it! STOP IT! You’re killing me!

    Seran

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  303. Western civilization is clearly in decline, but I guess as long as jr’s Friday night date thinks he’s sufficiently alpha we’ll all be okay.

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  304. “ethnic nationalism is garbage ideology that people use to make themselves feel better about their own personal shortcomings.”

    LOL! Yes, it is “garbage ideology” to oppose dispossession and race replacement, the reduction of our people to a tiny minority in the country they founded (before being bred out of existence altogether), the destruction of our culture, legal discrimination, massive transfers of wealth to non-whites, tyranical restrictions on our basic liberties such as freedom of speech and association, the destruction of our our educational system, and being murdered and raped in astonishing numbers.

    How could one possibly oppose such things? It all sounds dandy to me! Well, not to me, but certainly to JR. Good times, eh?

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  305. Western civilization is clearly in decline, but I guess as long as jr’s Friday night date thinks he’s sufficiently alpha we’ll all be okay.

    nice try, but as one of the handful or people here who has actually taken up arms in defense of this nation it’s pretty easy to let the taunts of some keyboard warrior slide.

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  306. I don’t know if any of you have seen this before, but it’s important.

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  307. nice try, but as one of the handful or people here who has actually taken up arms in defense of this nation it’s pretty easy to let the taunts of some keyboard warrior slide.

    Umm, exactly who were you defending this nation against?

    I’m hardly a young man, and the only invasion in my lifetime I can recall is the one the government refuses to do anything about.

    Whatever you were defending, it certainly wasn’t the nation.

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  308. chicnoir

    firepower maybe teh backwards tribes don’t care to live as you do. they are happy with their simple lives living close to the elements. do your toys bring you any more happines??? NO

    One indeed has a right to maintain a primitive “ethnic heritage” existence, but spending 18 hours a day digging for three grubs and an M’bopo Nut takes away from valuable time spent in a laboratory developing cures for girardia or cancer or inventing central heat, aircraft and other advances that make life better.

    Hilary Clinton & Obama giving away $50,000,000.00 Million of US taxpayer money for 3rd World stoves

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/21/world/main6888206.shtml

    reduces any credibility for the nobility of “independent” living “free from the burdens of technology.”

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  309. Uri Bezmenov says the same things Viktor Suvorov says in his books.

    Going back to the original 2Blowhards link, I think Greg Cochrane’s characterization of the 2 sides of the debate is the best:

    Sometimes I just play that whack-a-mole game out of habit,
    like in this thread, though it’s kind of like beating up on kindergartners
    or playing a familiar video game. You know what argument is going
    to be deployed and when before they do. As you say, that’s boring, so what now. “What is to be Done”, as ol’ VI Lenin would say, or “Who Whom” if you will.

    The whack-a-mole game really is pointless and “debunking” really only causes people to cling to their lies more dearly, just as psychologists say. People shouting “culture” and “Jared Diamond” can’t even begin to think of ways in which their claims might be falsified. Some popular author told them that this is the way to think. Incidentally, Sailer would be out of a job if people could falsify their beliefs.

    The real questions in the coming years, I think, will be, “How do those on the GC side of the debate secure clean water, power, and security for themselves in an age of increasing diversity?”

    Incidentally, Michael Blowhard is part-Tribe himself, so it’s no surprise that he reached Tribal conclusions in his original post, just as the commenter “J-wish Atheist” did. It’s amazing how predictable their thinking is.

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  310. “Europeans became smarter because they built aqueducts and cities. They didn’t build the cities because they were smarter.”

    Not sure who said this, might have been Alchemist or JR, but it has to be one of the dumbest things that I’ve read in years…and that’s saying something. The absurd and ridiculous contortions of logic that anti-whites will come up with in a desperate attempt to hold off ethnonationalism and to deny the fundamental importance of race, well, it never ceases to amaze.

    I’m sure others have noticed this as well. As pretty lie after pretty lie perishes, the anti-whites are forced to come up with ever more bizarre and ridiculous claims in order to maintain the crumbling edifice of their sick cult. These days, they are really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

    All of this is a very good sign, as the enemy is reduced to brazen lying, obviously absurd claims, and the general spouting of nonsense that only serves to erode the miniscule amount of credibility that they have left. What a bunch of clowns. Our dysfunctional era will go down in history as a time of kooky madness, if for no other reason than the fact that the ideas of these nutters ever got attention outside of a mental institution.

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  311. To paraphrase a quote by Special Operations tactical trainers:

    “Novices talk ideals.

    Intermediates talk organization.

    Experts talk logistics.”

    The “logistics” have always and always will be in the hands of ‘The Elite’.

    Your ideals don’t matter in the meta-circumstances that govern our world.

    There is no “Global Conspiracy” hegemonically putting down the masses in tandem — There are thousands of conspiratorial interest groups who are competing against each other and occasionally coerce or make concessions to various demographics in order to further their own plans.

    This applies to politics, race, religion, ethics, economy, sexuality, class — All perceived dividing standards that serve subtle consent and dissent shifting purposes for ‘The Elite’.

    Things are never going “as planned” for all of ‘The Elite’ — But they are going as planned for whatever elite-interest-group has supremacy at the moment. The orderly and chaotic political, economic and social conflicts you see within the Mainstream Media are just ætherical aftershocks rolling from the conflicts behind the scenes.

    As I personally see it, there are five prescriptions for anyone aware of the true motions of and behind our society —

    [1] The Epicurean — Withdraw from the mainstream and become a self-sufficient survivalist in a small community outside the bounds of “The Grid”. Live your life as you would like to and wait for civilization to come crashing down far from your insightful preparations.

    [2] The Stoic — Live your life as you normally would, finding purpose and satisfaction where you can. Stay as aware of the meta-and-sub-conflicts of our society as possible and try to redeem some sort of happiness from our rapidly fading dystopia as you can, while you still can. (Alternatively called “The Sheeple Option” by many extremists. Really, it is simply the most comfortable option that will be utilized by most of society.)

    [3] The Revolutionary — Fight against “The Elite”, or try to. If done through the mainstream, you may see some peripheral change towards your ideals in everyday affairs and the noosphere; But not before they are watered down to be as non-invasive to ‘The Elite’ as possible. If done through violence, you will become a bloody footnote of history unless you do something extreme and game-changing. Even then, your ideals will probably not change society as much as destroy it all-together.

    [4] The Caligula — Or, “The Hedonist”. Live your life in a way that would make Friedrich Nietzsche and Julius Evola proud — Heroically, artistically and selfishly for your own primal pleasures. Morality and ethics be damned — Except when useful to you. Die early with a self-induced “BANG!” or while drinking a rare Conti and receiving a fine blow job while the city literally burns around you. (I do believe Roissy favors this options, personally. He writes about politics more out of nostalgia for “what has been lost” than interest in restoring it.)

    [5] The Machiavellian — Or “The Quisling” depending on your perspective. Become a pawn or prodigy under the interests of the Archetypal Banker, Merchant, Governor/King, Poet, General, Priest, Privateer, Doctor, etc… And you most likely will be allowed to live in the manner of your choosing should you smartly align your interests with theirs — Unless you burn your bridges or they burn you. When all is said and done and civilization either transitions to its next tentative “Gilded Age” or its final demise, you may find yourself among “The Sheeple” or among “The Saved” depending on how you played The Game.

    The ~Ship of Fools~ is sinking. How will you survive?

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  312. j r–

    I see you never managed to answer this question of mine up thread:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/10/05/the-united-states-of-autoimmunity/#comment-21152

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  313. nice try, but as one of the handful or people here who has actually taken up arms in defense of this nation it’s pretty easy to let the taunts of some keyboard warrior slide.

    What does this mean? What was your MOS? What branch? Where did you serve overseas?

    It’s funny that you reached the conclusions you have reached because I have a buddy over in Afghanistan right now (in the infantry) who has also been to Iraq and been through road-side IED ambushes who has reached this conclusion:

    Umm, exactly who were you defending this nation against?

    I’m hardly a young man, and the only invasion in my lifetime I can recall is the one the government refuses to do anything about.

    Whatever you were defending, it certainly wasn’t the nation.

    You were an officer, weren’t you?

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  314. Is that what he meant? Considering I’m female I usually don’t get criticized for never having been in combat, but if you’re all for equal rights, that’s cool.

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  315. Excellent point by A3P. Still, as a general rule, I’m apt to give credit for military service, but that does not extend to justifying or excusing the disgusting anti-white views spouted by cretins like JR.

    I’m also more than a little suspicious of JR’s claim, as I’ve known tons of people who have done military service, and I’ve never met a white veteran who shares his views. He spouts b.s. in other respects, why not on this?

    In any event, his lame attempt to hide behind claims of military service in a discussion that has nothing to do with it speaks volumes, and none of it good about JR. Sorry dude, my people don’t have to be destroyed because you drew a paycheck from Uncle Sam.

    Pro-white veterans, and they outnumber your sorry kind many times over, don’t get any respect for their views. In fact, you claim that they spout a “garbage ideology.” Then you have the gall to hide behind veteran status. Pathetic.

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  316. Laura

    if you’re all for equal rights, that’s cool.

    i’m all for equal rights as well – you buying me drinks and goodies, too if your hot

    teehee

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  317. the disgusting anti-white views spouted by cretins like JR.

    what have i said that’s anti-white?

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  318. j r

    the disgusting anti-white views spouted by cretins like JR.

    what have i said that’s anti-white?

    “i proudly, defiantly, only suck black cock.”

    j r
    October 5th, 2010 A.D.

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  319. Stormfront? They don’t make neo-Nazis like they used to. From GC:

    Not just the Ashkenazim, but the South and East Asians as well — my people.

    Let me spell it out for the brain-dead: GC is South Asian (Bangladeshi, I believe).

    And I’m not white, either (as if that should give us any more credibility).

    Here’s another good outburst from GC, this time from 2008. You’ll find a familiar name in the comments.

    Consider the recent and ongoing financial meltdown. The forced borrowing and credit expansion makes our society like Wile E. Coyote. The standard of living which we’re maintaining through massive borrowing is that of a 90+% Euro country, running further and further out in mid-air over an enormous gorge. At some point the Chinese will call in their chits — and there will be a massive correction which drops us back to the economic profile of a ~67% Euro country with a 2% high IQ minority of immigrants and a 30% or larger proportion of restive NAM economic deadweight. A vertical drop on the regression line rather than a gradual degradation. …

    But can this fundamental demographic factor be mooted, let alone discussed? No.

    – Yet can we discuss “greed”? Sure.

    – The ineradicable evil of the Republicans and capitalism itself? Of course.

    – The necessity of yet more government control over the economy, despite the fact that Sarbanes-Oxley did nothing to prevent this? Naturally.

    So — what happens when we can only discuss symptoms rather than causes? Well, do you know what nonspecific activation of the immune system can do? Some really bad things:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TGN1412

    A cytokine storm. An immunologist contacted by New Scientist and who wished to be anonymous has commented that “You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to work out what will happen if you non-specifically activate every T cell in the body.”[25]

    – Point: a nonspecific immune response can result in the death or incapacitation of an organism.

    – Observation: our media systematically causes nonspecific responses via intentional attribution error.

    1) Health Care — have you seen these Blue Shield Ads? They go on & on about the “uninsured” without ever once mentioning that they are overwhelmingly Hispanic.

    2) Collapse of our financial system — compare Sailer’s diversity recession article to current see-no-ACORN NYT coverage.

    3) “Gun violence” in the US — compare Bowling for Columbine to the FBI Uniform Crime reports. The Heller argumentation was a joke, a complete abstraction on both sides. Doesn’t matter whether there are assault rifles in every house (like Switzerland) or gun prohibition (like the UK). Demographics is what determines gun violence.

    4) Education — international statistics show “Americans” at the bottom, causing NCLB. But whites and Asians are doing fine.

    5) Terrorism — compare PC Norman Mineta’s screening procedures with the reality of the names on the terrorist watch list.

    6) Racial profiling — see “violence” above. Soon whites/asians will be pulled over at higher rates to match quotas, with blacks/hispanics pulled over at lower rates. This will be the effect of Obama’s proposed national racial profiling prohibition in the Jena Six speech at Howard — either increase spurious arrests or practice catch and release, or both.

    7) Crime statistics — FBI aggregates Hispanics into the white category as “offenders”, vastly increasing the apparent white crime rate (this is how Tim Wise lies).

    Every single one of these has the same form:

    1) NAM group behaves badly
    2) Media reports it as nonspecific problem of “society” and refuses to mention specific culpability
    3) The government increases its power and forces non-NAMs to pay for their bad behavior
    4) Refusal to address root causes increased rates of taxation, crime, victimization. Everything from airport security strip searches of grandma to gun seizures from law abiding citizens to forced busing into Rwanda-like schools is a function of this systematic attribution error.

    This movie ends badly.

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  320. “what have i said that’s anti-white?”

    Plenty. Whites, as a people, are being targeted in all sorts of ways and at every level: demographic, political, economic, legal, cultural, etc. That’s a decent start on a long list.

    When someone points out what is going on, and provides a critique of it, you attempt to smear them. I could go into your 9:28 a.m. post, or I can just leave it at “You know what you did.” And you do.

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  321. Why is anyone paying any attention to what this Jew “dana” says?

    She keeps saying “we” this and “we” that. LOL.

    She says that “Russia infected ‘us’ with feminism.” LOL.

    It’s very simple. There’s no great mystery. Since they have a territory and a state now, and since they’re in command here, some of them will start to talk tough about the (Gentile cannon fodder) military and about how it (Gentile cannon fodder) should be used against this and that in a certain fashion.

    Now if they didn’t have a territory and state, and if they were in far less command here, you’d see less of this tough talk.

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  322. @chic with the hat

    “Imagine if NYC turns into Bagdad.”

    Why, is the U.S. military going to invade NYC “justified” by lies proven to be before the invasion even happens, knock out the electricity, bomb the water cleaning plants, then drive around randomly shooting people while laughing?

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  323. @Paul,

    You should read “Workshop of the second self” by Gary Wolf.

    “”The setting is the year 2030 in America where the tendencies of political correctness, multiculturalism, victimology, and moral relativism have reached its logical conclusion. Every person is judged not on his individual merits, but according to his disability profile, which factors in race, gender, wealth, education, exposure to European culture, etc. The most powerful government agency is Department of Disabilities that assigns disability points. This leads to some ugly events and the breakup of society, when the most productive and qualified people become the real victims of the Disability Regime. In addition, terrorists – whom no one dares call terrorists – are suing their victims for the right to seize their identities along with their assets and professional careers.

    It’s not a humorous or satirical book. It’s Atlas Shrugged meets 1984. But unlike Atlas Shrugged, there are no people left in the society who actually know the real history or have the ability to think rationally. None of the characters are free of the chains and the blinders of political correctness. And as the plot unfolds, they try to unravel the reasons for their predicament using the limited intellectual tools they have.

    The clear action-driven plot, vivid descriptions, concise dialogue, and developed characters are asking for a screen adaptation. With luck it could become a powerful influential movie – if only Hollywood weren’t in the hands of the people who are described in this book as the unwitting villains.

    It was written in 2006 but it’s even more relevant today and, I’m afraid, its relevancy will continue to grow with the advancement of Obama’s policies. In this sense, Gary’s story is more than just an educated guess – I’d call it an educated prophecy.””

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  324. that would be detroit, Jeff.

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  325. Sounds like great whacking material, Chris.

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  326. The judge cut him off at one point to ask if he had sworn allegiance to the U.S. when he became a citizen last year.

    “I did swear, but I did not mean it,” Shahzad said.

    let’s bring in another million of ’em. If only there were some sort of allegiance or association that could be monitored to screen these fuckers out?

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  327. Tom V,

    Good job bringing that one up. It’s been awhile since I heard that phrase. That was back when Lucius Vorenus still posted there.

    I agree with many of GC’s assertions in that rant you posted. Many of our assumptions on taxation, welfare, and debt service rest on a 90% Euro population while the children under 5 currently are anything but, so the Wile E. Coyote analogy is increasingly apt.

    People compare our current economy to Japan’s of the past 2 (going on 3) decades, but the reality is that Japan remains mostly Japanese and their elite much less cosmopolitan* than ours, so we may fare much worse. I say we’ll fare worse, of course, because I (sort of) know what the future looks like being a Californian. It’s basically high-crime, low productivity per capita, low income, and low educational achievement fostered by diversity. Oh, and increasing taxation on the “middle class” to pay for the jailing and schooling (same thing, really) of the “diverse” demographic.

    I’d always thought GDII might bring us somewhat to our senses, but the opposite seems to be happening.

    One more thing – the men in combat arms MOSes in the military are overwhelmingly Euros. Combat deaths are disproportionately Euro as well. The men in the defense industry providing cutting-edge weapons to the men in the military are overwhelming aging Euros. When you think about it, the Pax Americana is maintained by a rapidly-diminishing supply of this demographic.

    Pleasant dreams, all. As GC said, the movie doesn’t end well.

    Chris I think I’ll read that, thanks.

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  328. I’ll put it another way. You’ve given us as much as you’ve given successful Jews.

    Blacks and Jews do have a lot in common. Both groups depend on the civilizations whites create for their best outcomes. Both groups thank whites by insulting them. Both groups would be worse off without whites, in contrast to whites, who’d be better off without either. Both groups are allowed their ethnocentrism. Both groups play the “guilt” con against whites. Both seem pretty hostile to their benefactors. And both have parts of the world they can call their own, in contrast to whites.

    Mostly right-wing nut betas & omegas who love to whine about women, minorities, and everything else.

    Doesn’t matter how many times you point it out, liberal hypocrites will always disparage whites who stand up for themselves, even as they worship minorities who do the same thing. Tough to get a cultist to recognize the contradictions in his religion.

    The Jew-haters can fuck off as well. Your WASP elites have had an authoritarian strain since before the Jews crawled out of Borscht belt ghettoes (read some history for fuck’s sake), and they signed on to the Gramscian project quite willingly. Don’t throw all this on us.

    But you’re not an Anglo-Saxon-hater, of course. If you’re a Jew with your head screwed on straight, then you’re the enemy of about 99% of your own tribe. E.g:

    http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/1509/
    http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/1510/

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  329. Why do they have to instill victim mentality in them if they don’t have it? That’s what I can’t stand about black people, they are a bunch of victims/losers.

    My grandfather told me after slavery, blacks had their own businesses. But when segregation ended, they ended theirs because they wanted to go where the white people were at. He also said the blacks back then were smarter because in the south, they had a lot of white blood. He also told me they used to lynch and beat blacks because that was punishment for crimes, they were not scared of conventional methods. Why isn’t that taught to blacks? Why? Because they need to be victims to survive, the truth can’t get out.

    There’s a fundamental disconnect between rhetoric and reality here that I’d underestimated. So…people here really think that an ostensible victim mentality is a “loser” thing? How naive can you get? Jews strike you guys as society’s losers? Okay, I’ll spell it out for you guys. When a people has a sense of grievance, IT JUSTIFIES AGGRESSION! Helloooo! Earth to the unbelievably naive!

    Don’t believe me? Start paying attention to Jews. They justify anything and everything, because they have the world’s most highly attuned sense of racial grievance…i.e., they’re about as racially aggressive as it gets, especially after you control for IQ.

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  330. A place for every tribe and every tribe in its place.

    Indeed, and let’s be honest about what that’s (we’re) up against:

    A place for every tribe, except whites, who are currently occupying the former’s future territory.

    If memory serves, this is the exact same shit Charles Manson was blabbering about.

    Yeah, let’s play guilt by association.

    Stalin & co were blabbering about the same shit you’re blabbering about.

    yeah, except when it doesn’t.

    this is pretty much a textbook example of the naturalistic fallacy: whatever i like is good and natural, whatever i don’t like is evil and unnatural.

    How is the doomed nature of multiculturalism an example of the naturalistic fallacy? Stating that x is more attuned with human nature than y, and therefore more likely to produce outcomes beneficial to humans, is not inferring an “ought” from an “is.”

    it only requires you to ignore the existence of all those people who do like living with and knowing people who are different from themselves. so, once you forget about all those millions of people who leave tribal lands and move to cities, or people who marry spouses of other races, or people who immigrate to other countries, then i guess you have a point.

    The people who like living with diversity are on borrowed time. Diversity can be overcome in small doses, but there’s no way to put a cap on it. But since you’re into pointing out fallacies, shouldn’t I point out your appeal to authority (of numbers)?

    Besides, how the hell do we really know how many people like diversity? It’s like asking a Soviet citizen in 1955 if he likes Communism, there’s no way to get an honest answer.

    of course, you might want to stop for a second and realize the inherent contradiction of your position. the differences in IQ and in culture that exists between sub-saharan africa and the european continent arose precisely because europe became a cosmopolitan place and africa remained largely tribal.

    That’s pretty funny. I became smart because I started a business and got rich!

    if every tribe stayed in its place, then the whole world would look like the amazon or the congo or the jungles of papau new guinea.

    How do you figure that?

    further, if this country fails to adequately assimilate present-day immigrants, it won’t be because of genetic/ethnic reasons. it will be because we built a giant welfare state that removes the burden of individual responsibility and replaced it with this parasitic system of collective entitlements.

    I.e., whitey’s fault.

    in other words failure will be the result of rejecting our enlightenment roots and embracing tribalism.

    So, we were embracing tribalism when we opened the floodgates to the 3rd world? Tell me, how the hell can 50% of the population “assimilate” the other 50%? Or 40% assimilate 60%? 30/70?

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  331. Africans have never been able, no matter how hard they tried, to make a leap from tribe to nation. Africans have been unable to even adapt and improve foreign inventions as Europeans and Asians have done. Which ought to be a simple matter.

    Because the smart fraction is so small, and the stupid, violent, thug fraction is so large; whatever the balance necessary for advanced civilization (20%+ smart, 10%- SVT, WHATEVER), blacks can’t meet it; the thugs pull down what the smarts build, faster than they can build it.

    “Individuals and groups of different race, culture, language, and ideological and religious creed living harmoniously together is a vile lie and defies natural law. It always has and always will lead to disorder and violence.”

    That is retarded. You probably believe it is a liberal lie that many early immigrant groups in America had different races, cultures, languages, and ideological and religious creeds — but in fact they did.

    Perhaps with the vantage of time we can look back and say: “but the differences then weren’t as great between the Irish, Germans, Italians, English, etc. as the differences that exist among immigrant groups now.”

    However, at the time those differences seemed pretty significant. Yet after many generations American assimilation for those groups indeed took place.

    It can be difficult for Irish & English to even tell one another apart, and you’re comparing them assimilating (insofar as they did; Irish-Americans still tend to mewl like cunts about the English) to blacks, yellows, browns, and whites?

    It’s strange math: “x + y = success, so x + z must = success, too!”

    Besides, the whole idea of assimilation is a joke, now. Multiculturalism, folks, mean never having to assimilate. And assimilation of (vastly more similar Europeans) occured under the aegis of a confident Briton culture. It required the hosts to DEMAND assimilation and conformity from the newcomers. Notice the problem yet?

    How can you be so sure then that it won’t happen with more recent immigrants. Even if the diversity is greater now than then, America has proven that: Proximity + Diversity = War is a lie.

    Listen to yourself! Just because you think betting the farm on a roll of 7 is a good idea, do you really think we should?

    No, confident whites assimilating other whites in one era does not disprove the general rule that diversity is unsustainable.

    It’s odd, how many people still believe in the melting pot, when the flame was turned off a long time ago.

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  332. in fact, i think that we will continue to move towards a bifurcated society, where race will have less and less meaning.

    A white delusion. You have to really not be paying attention to think the race question is fading away, rather than muscling up. Google Putnam’s study; diversity is eroding society, not improving it.

    I mean, we’re having a discussion about diversity as if we both know it’s a problem, but you say everything’s okay because we can overcome it. I say, what’s in it for us? You really should read up on the subjects that overlap this discussion if you’re going to hold forth. E.g., do you know anything about the implications of Social Identity Theory? About how race-relations really work?

    I hate white nationalists. Not all, but most are retards.

    On the other hand, most people – myself included – are occasionally retards.

    Most people aren’t worth the time it takes to figure out they aren’t worth the time. Or something.

    Seriously, white nationalists have to stop going after blacks and ally with them.

    Theoretically true, on some issues, but it’s a non-starter. Black racial separatism is and will continue to be an utter failure because blacks do better in proximity to whites than on their own, contra whites. Blacks should oppose mass immigration of the unskilled, because they’re seeing the importation of their own competition. But blacks aren’t particularly astute, and their leaders are naturally corrupt, so they sell out to the first buyer.

    Enough Jews could be brought over to the dark side, too. Anyway, Jews outside NYC. NYC is a lost cause, anyway, from several perspectives.

    Laughable. Jews respect only power, not ideology. Jews will only horse-trade with ethnopatriots AFTER they achieve power, not before.

    It’s also undeniably true that blacks are victims of centuries of enslavement, institutional/legal discrimination, and racism on the part of the ruling class here in the US. So what the hell is this guy talking about?

    Yes, American blacks are “victims” of the highest standards of living of any large black population in the history of the world, boo hoo, woe is them. Healthier, wealthier, and far freer than than blacks in west Africa. What a misfortune!

    Really? Because I pretty much pay for all of those things two with my job and my business that I run and the taxes that I pay. So I dunno who you’re talking about there pal. 3 Generations deep of never having been on the dole or taking handouts. We pride ourselves on self reliance. I know plenty of white people on the American dole. I’ve hired a few, and they were just as shifty and lazy as any other person from the lower classes.

    I’m happy to know that innumeracy hasn’t impeded your commercial efforts.

    If I didn’t think that a technological singularity would make the point moot

    Eggs and baskets. How old is the saying? Centuries? Millenia?

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  333. “Witness the reaction to Katrina: the fact that whites had to defend themselves against black looters…. ”

    What bothers me about this statement is that…if things had been the other way around…it would be spun as…

    “White people are bootstrapping, individualistic, and don’t allow the government to draw the lines of conduct during an emergency, while white people were taking responsibility for their own lives; black people on the other hand CHOOSE to allow themselves to be trampled over, while waiting for the government to save them”

    It’s bogus because any story can be spun positively or negatively…last time I checked black people didn’t control the media…

    How does one even respond to that? You’re arguing from your own fantasy. And the idea that liberals of the non-black persuasion could take a disingenuously pro-black stance escapes your reckoning…

    “It’s long past time for Whites to start thinking and acting like a tribe.

    Whites are in fuckin’ trouble otherwise.”

    You may be on to someting but too bad it will never happen. that’s just not human nature.

    Lol, what was segregation all about then?

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  334. Robert, the problem with that is that it’s hard to be a tribe and a caste at the same time.

    White “nationalists” mostly want to be the ruling caste. They want there to be certain benefits for being White, and still have everyone else around doing the grunt work.

    What a crock of shit. You obviously know nothing about WNs, or ethnopatriots. There is zero (let me repeat that, ZERO) constituency for this among WNs. Why not just preface your posts with “I have absolutely no idea WTF I’m talking about, but…”?

    If they really wanted to be a tribe, I’d have no problem with it.

    Nonsense. If you gave enough of a shit to even find out what the people you oppose believe, you wouldn’t be able to make comments like “and still have everyone else around doing the grunt work.”

    You don’t have a fucking CLUE what WNs want, you’re just making it up as you go along.

    If White people decided to kick everybody else out, you’d have to do all your own grunt work, and I could respect that.

    That’s precisely what the most hard-core WNs want. That’s as far as it goes, this “white supremacy” thing you’re on about has no constituency outside of the ADL and SPLC newsletters.

    “There are actually more slaves in the world today than when the U.S. allowed slavery,”

    WTF are you talking about? between 1500-1800 more then 9 million people were sold across the Atlantic ocean to the Americas. This is not an estimate. Shippers kept logs of their cargo. And at the time of the Civil War US slaveholders held 4 million people.

    Lol, nice bait and switch – he’s talking U.S., you switch for “the Americas.” How many of them came to the U.S.?

    remember Lincoln? Patriotic Americans don’t defend slavery.

    Yeah, all patriotic Americans remember Lincoln, and his fervent wish to ship all the Africans home…

    As for guns, germs, and steel,

    site:isteve.blogspot.com “jared diamond”

    Just like I am sure that environmental factors have no effect on the DNA of progeny of a tribe after millennia. (Forget the more obvious phenotypes like lactose-intolerance that developed).

    SSS is kind in not mentioning that this subject never even came up in GG&S.

    Most never bothered to even try.

    That’s not really fair. Which African nation is it that’s abolished slavery like 5 times in the last century? That’s gotta be five times as good as only doing it once, lol.

    Whiskey asks, “WHATS IN IT FOR ME?”

    I already told you: a functioning society.

    But we can have a functioning society without that.

    First of all, before you point the finger at anyone else, you need to clean up your own mess. You were the majority in the U.S. and you shaped the society, the laws, the media…nobody else had the numbers or level of influence to do any of that until recently, and now it’s just the numbers. White men still own the most stuff and have command of the most money, and hey, you’re even statistically, the most intelligent.

    So whatever the problems are in the U.S. or Europe, are problems you created and currently exascerbate through your wrong behavior.

    In other words, you’re irrelevant to this conversation. I tend to agree.

    Thing is, you (White people, not you specifically) made the society. If you made it a self fucking society, then you only have yourselves to blame.

    Indeed. This is a revelation, how?

    likewise, every bitter keyboard jockey who daydreams of rounding up mexicans or bombing muslims or shipping all the blacks back to africa imagines himself in that former category of visionaries, but according to the percentages you’re probably in the latter. chances are that you’re just stupid.

    This conversation is always the same. Liberals (Yes, you) are so afraid of actually having a conversation with people they disagree with that they reflexively resort to putting words in their mouths (you’re fond of fallacy taxonomy, right? That’s called a straw man argument). Ever notice how they spend so much time telling us what we want, that they never, ever stop to ask what we want?

    Stop, dear reader, and consider that for a moment…how many of the people here opposed to WNism have stopped to ask what WNs want? Have any of them done so? Do any of them even have a clue? Do you?

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  335. I’ll tell you what WNs want, because if I wait for someone like jr to ask, I’ll die of old age in the meantime.

    WNs want a way to opt out of the hegemony of globalism and race-replacement. Me, I want at least the option for whites to have for themselves what Jews have for themselves in Israel. I want whites to have the option of creating white communities, neighborhoods, schools, businesses, and whatever else they want. To be honest, I want all people to have the option of creating communities, neighborhoods, schools, businesses, and whatever else they want, however they want. I want the goddamned govrernment out of my affairs. If Joe doesn’t want to serve, hire, or live around blacks, that’s his business. If Bob doesn’t want to serve, hire, or live around “gentiles,” that’s his business. If Frank doesn’t want to serve, hire, or live around atheists, that’s his business.

    Unfortunately, certain parties have put themselves athwart the road to freedom and insist we run them down if we want to proceed. Well, I hope they jump out of the way, but I’m all for putting the pedal to the metal.

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  336. SV, I just reread Holidays in Hell. That place of which you speak sounds a lot like South Africa before the end of apartheid. PJ says SA was a pariah like Israel is now. FWIW.

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  337. Svigor, I’m like most your points with this as a major exception: “what Jews have for themselves in Israel.”

    Jews have tons of Palestinians they’re forced to tolerate even as they blow up teenagers in pizza parlors, along wiht massive inflows of African “jews.” I wouldn’t want my ethnostate to resemble Israel’s purity in any way.

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  338. Excellent comments here. Especially Svigor, Sven, and a few others. This is the most stimulating post/comments that I’ve read here in a long time, and that’s saying a lot. You guys make me feel dumb and I’m a high IQer.

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  339. you know, recent hollywood efforts like Deadwood or Gangs of NY seem to show that all-white cities/societies weren’t exactly a place to die old or live crime free. just saying.

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  340. PA :

    drink all your beer and fuck your cat.

    A freudian slip from PA reveals his secret sexual perversions.

    His dick would have to be pretty small to do this to a small animal like a cat.

    This does not surprise anyone.

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  341. PA, I’m talking broad strokes here. The idea is not so much to model after Israel, as it is to SLAP AMERICANS IN THE FACE WITH THE IDEA THAT THEIR RIGHTS ARE INFERIOR TO THOSE OF JEWS, the same folks at the forefront of bashing “white Zion” while playing us for suckers.

    P.S., the inflow of of black “Jews” is around 1% of Israel’s population.

    Thanks for the kind word Johnny.

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  342. I feel sad about it. My family was always Ra Ra America.

    I may dislike some of the nationalisms I see around the world, but there’s one thing I can respect: they wear it without shame.

    We seem to be capable of nothing but shame, these days.

    That’s the spiritual pull of “nationalism” (I call myself an ethnopatriot); being able to stand tall, feet planted firmly in the earth, and say, “this is what God/Nature made me, it’s who I am.” BEING WHO YOU ARE means accepting your whole being, integrating it into your world view, rather than being told by some asshole with a megaphone which parts of you are “acceptable.”

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  343. you know, recent hollywood efforts like Deadwood or Gangs of NY seem to show that all-white cities/societies weren’t exactly a place to die old or live crime free. just saying.

    All Hollywood efforts show me is what Jews want me to think (note the only civilized person on the show is a Yid; entertaining show, btw).

    Even if we could use Hollywood as history, WTF? You think dumping a bunch of mestizos and blacks into those settings wouldn’t have made things worse?

    1950s was 90% white. Oh darn, then we’d all be living in Mad Men, right?

    No one is saying a white society would be perfect; but it would be ours.

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  344. Svigor,

    One word on your series of comments:

    Out-fucking-standing.

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  345. This has been a good read on a topic that needs serious attention and serious discussion: race and civilization.
    I’m happy to see that THIS blog doesn’t engage in PC censorship/avoidance of the controversial issues, and doesn’t fear the prevailing religions and power interests of the day.

    Some have mentioned White Nationalism and Stormfront here…usually attempting to denigrate a point of view without even discussing it serious. I have been there, done that, learned much from it. Yeah, I’ve got criticisms of them— they aren’t busting their behinds enough in significant numbers to successfully salvage, restore and renew our race. I have a problem with the fact that most can’t define specifically what kind of race and civilization they aim for. See, I don’t want just any ole White nation. I want a much better, much healthier, White nation. You know what many of those Stormfronters can’t get a handle on? A lot of their most cherished peripheral fetishes and typical responses need to be laid to rest and buried, in order to achieve the kind of racial progress needed. Forget democracy. Forget Christianity. Forget the “old America” (including the original Constitution). Forget the old elite “class-based” way of doing things. This stuff is dead and gone, and will not be resurrected again. They served a purpose once, but things have changed, and so must we Whites if we are to survive and advance. We must become a greater people again, that can seize the reins of the present and the future.

    The place to start is to decide what it is we really want to be and what is the premise of our ultimate aim. What is the purpose of the White race? That is where we must begin, again. Our answer must also answer in positive terms the related inquiry of so many of our own people: “What’s in it for me?” or “Why should I invest myself into this Cause?”
    One of the above commentators made a good point, that appealing to invisible men in the sky or ancient tomes and cultural traditions will get us nowhere. That “culture”/value system is dead or soon will die. We need less people walking around with a symbol of an ancient execution dangling from their necks. We need a new race-symbol for ourselves (the unique best in ourselves), a new purpose, a new narrative, and even a new “God”/value system. What will occur is an evolutionary branching—a new cohesive White tribe emerges for itself and aiming toward “superman”, while the old “White race” remnant withers away or is amalgamated into non-White “humanity”. Rise upward or die…that is the choice. A clear separate branching will enable the collective Will to finally do what must be done with all fetters and threats. The multitude of the ones who destroyed the old world versus the new race of the ones who will built and advance a better one (with or without the permission of the “masses’). Hey, we really don’t need a planet populated with 6-9 billion monkey-men…that’s no way to LIVE. And living has a purpose beyond our own self-gratification (though, I believe they can be often co-related). Admission into the new higher race should be based upon both blood and demonstrated evidence of a nurtured clear sense of racial purpose—we aren’t just admitting every featherless semi-upright pale-face into the tribe anymore. You gotta be somebody now, Whitey. We need quality, much more than we need quantity. We need high standards, and consequences for not meeting them. We need NATURAL hierarchy (with enough social mobility and opportunity for the best race-loyal personalities to rise to their maximum demonstrated capacity) , not egalitarian democracy nor superficial “class-based” encrusted faux-elites (both are tyrannical fetters to our evolutionary progress).

    Basically, I’m with Mighty Whitey, because I’m one of them.
    If you aren’t, get out of the way and pursue your own destiny in peace…knowing that you are entirely responsible for what happens if you should cross our kind. I respect all forms of life that seek their own way, but I hate any that would dare to try to hold us back from the next evolutionary breakthrough (or are too stupid to realize that is what they are doing by their parasitism).

    Non-Whites, get out of our way and divorce yourself from us, and we’ll police up all those nasty exploiters who have done you (and more importantly, us) wrong. Clear the field so we have a clear unobstructed shot at our true enemies. We know that you have been treated as their tools, and we know that is precisely why you have been brought into our midst. Get out of our way, so we can clean house, and finally establish a separate justice and redistribution that mutually benefits our various peoples. Show good will and we can be generous. Show hesitation and we’ll lose our patience with you…you’ll have to settle for what’s behind the fewer remaining curtains, the longer you stick around and the more we have to prod you. I especially appeal to those talented intelligent ones among the non-Whites—stop selling yourselves short among Whites, and start taking command of your own communities and directing them to their own future of possibilities …apart from us. Be their benevolent masters, if you can be. This and this alone will get you respect from us. There is a huge part of the world, plentiful in resources, all for the taking, if you have the capacity and will to take it for yourselves. You’ll get much less from continuing on your current course with Whitey in the long-term, believe me…you don’t want to be stuck in the midst of our internal not-so-civil war. By the time that the lines get explicitly drawn and this conflict goes hot, it will be too late for you, so stop wasting time and prepare your exit now. Most of your kin are likely to be suckered into playing cannon-fodder on the wrong for the prevailing faux-elite, unless you intelligent non-White talented tenths get off your temporarily-comfortable butts and direct toward a different course in a different part of the world. During an upheaval, there will not be any time to go case by case with everyone—5 seconds or less to determine if someone is friend or foes—so we’ll be looking at the most obvious signs and associations to determine ‘with us or against us” Our foes will do the same thing. That is necessary in conflict, and I’ve had quite a bit of experience in this department (though I doubt anyone here has been part of a genuine all-out cleansing operation, and definitely none have been a part of such an operation inside Western World conditions, where things would go hot fast and unconventional mass methods would be applied regularly). Don’t think door-to-door, one-by-one. Think about suddenly depopulating large concentrated population area targets….the means exist and are more easily accessible that you;d like to think, and the lines are becoming drawn clearly enough to accept collateral damage rates. 5 seconds or less, knowing where you live, and we already pretty much know what side you are on. Faux-elite enclaves and ghettos, your asses are doomed. We can always rebuild the cities, and future (real) elites will not be living so cut off from those they govern (because only fake undeserving elites have to hide from their own people).

    “Recovery” through a cleansing conflict and the rebirth/renewal of our people. That is my gospel. That is our only hope. Those who truly hate this message are precisely the ones who made it true and necessary. They gave our people the shaft for several reasons (it seems that people here and elsewhere express that they grasp bits of the whole picture, but not more). What did the powers-that-be and their delusional lemmings really expect would be the response? Frankly, they figured we’d just accept it, roll over and die, while they forged a worldwide coffee-colored mixed race proletarian mass. Left and Right partisans are fools getting played, if they fail to see this big picture and where they fit inside it. Who is using whom? You’ve all been cut from the table…expended, demoted, dispossessed, call it what you will.

    I say this as blatantly as I am because if you really are elite or are aspiring elites, you need to hear hard-minded truth, without all the political song-and-dance performed for the compromised dumbed-down masses. Cast away illusions. Self-deception is a sin. So, let’s dispense with polite political banter and instead talk about how we will advance along the road to a better future, rather than bitching and whining like so many political partisans on the Left or Right who have merely grasped bits and pieces but dare not draw serious realist conclusions and act upon them.

    Dr. William Pierce was essentially right. Especially in the speech he made called ‘Our Cause’. Now, what are YOU AND I gonna do about it? If you want a better people and a better future…then we’ll have to BECOME it. We’ll write the NEXT chapter for ourselves, Mighty Whitey…much better than the last. Got something better to do, got better cards to play at this point? Didn’t think so. One day, you’ll realize pride and recognize the power in the cards you were dealt by Nature herself. Play THOSE cards and we’ll win the game.

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  346. Hey, thanks for the link to my 2Blowhards posting, nice to see it having a little life. (I blogged as “Michael Blowhard” for years.) Lots of smart, fun and provocative postings on it — I hope readers here will go and read a few of them. Godless Capitalist really was a blogging spitfire, wasn’t he? Has anyone run across him online recently?

    FWIW, and not that it matters, but to the commenter here who dismissed my posting because I’m supposedly part of the “the tribe”: dismiss my posting, what do I care. But, aside from one German-Jewish great-great-grandparent, my “tribe” is northern-Euro mutt: Scotch-Irish, English, German and Danish. Most of one side of the family came to the US in the 1600s; most of the other side came over in the 1700s. I like to think that that one Jewish great-great-grandparent added an IQ point or two as well as some verbal agility to the mix, but I could be wrong.

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  347. Oops, I meant “Lots of smart, fun and provocative COMMENTS [not postings] on it.” So much for that hoped-for verbal agility …

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  348. The place to start is to decide what it is we really want to be and what is the premise of our ultimate aim.

    No. The place to start is to create a “we” first. The rest is easy.

    “What’s in it for me?” or “Why should I invest myself into this Cause?”

    The answer isn’t pretty: grandchildren who are free. It’s not something that will motivate nihilists, hedonists, or people with short time horizons. But then, when have any of these people ever taken the till?

    At least, that’s the materialist answer. The spiritual answer is: purpose.

    Working in our favor is the fact that the Masters of the Universe aren’t content to keep the boundaries of their racial-liberal hegemony intact; they want to expand them as far as possible, to go after every last cent that isn’t nailed down.

    Which makes all people who yearn for freedom (you know, Freedom of Association, Self-Determination) at least erstwhile natural allies in the long run.

    It’s a trap; they tell you you’re a bad person if you want to pursue that kind of freedom, then they redefine everything they don’t like as that kind of freedom. Put another way, when they find your weakness, they’ll exploit it, and keep on exploiting it, until you come to your senses.

    What will occur is an evolutionary branching—a new cohesive White tribe emerges for itself and aiming toward “superman”, while the old “White race” remnant withers away or is amalgamated into non-White “humanity”.

    Indeed; in the future, all whites will be “racists,” because everyone else will have become something else.

    Admission into the new higher race should be based upon both blood and demonstrated evidence of a nurtured clear sense of racial purpose

    Indeed. I’m surprised I didn’t see any comments to the tune of “just because I’m white doesn’t mean I want to join you.” It’s a popular refrain, to which I always reply, “that makes two of us.” Useful idiots always seem to think we want to force a separation between whites and non-whites; they flatter themselves. Once faced with a choice between viable ethnostates and multicultural bliss, you couldn’t pay me to accept the ones who chose multicultural bliss; I don’t piss in my own gene pool.

    What did the powers-that-be and their delusional lemmings really expect would be the response?

    They’re flexible. They work it by inches. If all goes well, they move another couple of inches. And if not, they’ll horse-trade.

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  349. Want to know what I want for the future, and what we want to end?
    Let me give you some visual aids.

    http://xn--www-6o0a.vnnforum.com/video.php?s=0cec787df42ef7ee75901650b857c55c&do=viewdetails&videoid=956

    http://xn--www-6o0a.vnnforum.com/video.php?do=viewdetails&videoid=957

    These will give you the general gist of what COULD be our future…a future worth actualizing. Sure, I would tweek this and that a bit in these videos (mostly on aesthetic preference grounds), but you’ll get the general message.

    Know what the hell you are living FOR, not just what you are against. Get that 2% of visionary inspiration that will get you successfully through the 98% perspiration part.

    BTW, anyone who can’t stand the message of these videos is hereby invited to tell us all what they find specifically “wrong” with it and what they realistically propose as a better alternative in the interests of White people. I repeat: propose better alternatives in the interests of White people, or you need to go back to the drawing board and deeply wrap your mind around the issue. Save the tired old White-guilt diatribes and universal egalitarian platitudes for some other more impressionable lemming-infested part of the Web. This is not a televised election debate before a dumbocracy audience.

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  350. Porter: thanks.

    In essence, all I want is reciprocity; the golden rule. I want others to respect my rights the way I respect theirs.

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  351. > i do not accept the link and the simplest way to explain why it’s wrong is to point out that sex is a discrete category and race is not.

    Frederick, nope. There’s plenty of discreteness in human races, but you are right that they are not even close to being fully discrete. Well, there can still be geographical trait variation. Lack of perfect discreteness doesn’t impede this in the least.

    Just as the weather varies at different points on the surface of the earth, so do traits vary. For the most part there are not discrete types of weather. Nonetheless, you will find Costa Rica hot and Alaska cold. You’ll see that Frisco is cool in the summer while Sacramento is blazing, with a perfectly gradual change as you drive from one to the other.

    In NW India you will find pale-complected people. At the southern apex of India you will find very dark ones. There is no discreteness at all; the change is exceedingly gradual. Yet dark skin is dark and light is light.

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  352. on October 6, 2010 at 10:00 pm schfifty five

    This site has lately found the perfect balance between politics and game issues.

    I really hope none of the writers listen to these liberal eunuch morons moaning about the political stuff. They are too stupid to realize that their post-christianized pussification is the reason we have to collectively reteach ouselves manhood to begin with.

    Fuck the haters. I honestly think if anyone with an above-70 iq is still around in 50 years, it will be because of what is going on with sites like this one.

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  353. > you know, recent hollywood efforts like Deadwood or Gangs of NY seem to show that all-white cities/societies weren’t exactly a place to die old or live crime free. just saying.

    I wouldn’t give a fuck if my people were the most violent in the world. I love our anciently-established culture and all I want is for my people to go on living as themselves – not necessarily with a population of one billion, and not necessarily in the entirety of the space that they possessed in 1900.

    As it happens, the violence of the Old West is probably exaggerated, but certainly it was violent. You seem to be cherry-picking, though. I’m sure I can find you an Ashkenazi Jew with an IQ of 80, but it doesn’t mean much about average racial IQs. I’m not gonna cry if you say that my people are slightly more violent than Koreans and moderately dumber than Ashkenazi Jews. I don’t give a shit. I love Koreans, I neither love nor hate Jews (in the aggregate), but they aren’t my people.

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  354. > Thing is, you (White people, not you specifically) made the society. If you made it a self fucking society, then you only have yourselves to blame.

    Consider. Every civilization or ethny has made potentially-lethal mistakes. That doesn’t abnegate its right to try to correct errors that it may go on living (especially if it does so in a way that is considerate to outsiders, tries not to disturb the relative peace of the world, etc).

    You seem to be suggesting that Whites should just go on sharing 100% of their territory with others, which virtually guarantees that they cease to exist through breeding with other peoples (we are not generally as ethnocentric as some other peoples, which is why this can be virtually guaranteed). Since there is currently no territory for White preservation, that’s it, there is no more right to pursue an existence for the indefinite future. There is no right to address and undo a mistake in a considerate fashion.

    Obviously I feel otherwise.

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  355. Svigor,

    You’re welcome. I typically read this site only when civilizational issues are discussed and have been highly impressed by Roissy’s infrequent contributions. Perhaps more so by yours just now.

    When he returns to wasting his enormous intellectual gifts teaching 20 year-old boys how to pick up 18 year-old girls, I hope to see you around the interwebs.

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  356. “You’ve seen hundreds or thousands of hours of footage of events in which rightist ideas of one stripe or another are causing harm to minorities. The Holocaust, My Lai, Bull Connor, the Japanese internment,”

    But not Italian or German internment even though (taken together) there were more Germans and Italians interned than Japanese. The whites didn’t get apologies or reparations, unlike the Japanese (over a third of whom voluntarily gave up their US citizenship and pledged loyalty to Japan).

    Must be white skin privilege!

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  357. If we’re getting into tacks, let’s remember “white folks” didn’t do this stuff, their elite did. We are not morally bound to live by and with their decisions.

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  358. That was one great blog Ray.

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  359. > in other words failure will be the result of rejecting our enlightenment roots and embracing tribalism.

    I’m so flipping glad to reject John Locke and embrace the ‘tribalism’ that was suffered through by John Locke as well as every people in world history except whites since 1970, and maybe to a lesser extent the Romans.

    A society (with its tradition) is not a mercantile contract, it’s an organic, pulsing being, and a work of art. I hate to tell you but Europe was actually pretty cool even before the enlightenment. It had glorious art.

    Native Romans tired of the whole thing could probably have moved out into the country 20 miles away to be with their own kind. Every people today has somewhere to go to if they are weary of my kind and love their own, the past and future of their own. I don’t. My kind has no reasonably-secure future as a kind. The future and past, the chain of the generations are a part of what make life into vivid life, as opposed to just living, fucking, and consuming like a brute. The Civil War is meaning, is life, to old-stock and fully-assimilated Americans. Life is the bond with the generations and the soil of the nation, in which the past is ever-dispersing, deeper into the earth, and the future slowly welling up and gathering. My ‘soil’, according to the world, is fit for being paved over to make a parking lot for other people, and the past should have neither tomb nor living inheritors, and the men give up the blood and ancient quick of the flesh, beguiled, degraded and numb.

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  360. on October 6, 2010 at 11:20 pm Mitchell Young

    White “nationalists” mostly want to be the ruling caste. They want there to be certain benefits for being White, and still have everyone else around doing the grunt work.

    Actually, the ultimate goal is a country where we can live amongst our people. Fact is whites have carved out countries around the world, doing our own ‘grunt work’ — see Australia, see New Zealand, see Canada. In fact, we used to riot to prevent our elites from bringing in ‘others’ to do the grunt work, see the Chinese Exclusions acts or Australia’s ‘white Australia’ policy. That is, we do quite well on our own.

    One of my favorite pre-Civil war cartoon shows a rich plantation owner trying to shove a black man down the throat of a Western farmer. That’s what the real civil war was about — the freesoilers saw the abject condition that white men inundated by colored peoples was reduced to — and fought to stop that process.

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  361. “I said ONE OF THE FIRST. List all the nations that have existed ranked by their elimination of slavery. America is right near the top. Most never bothered to even try.”

    yeah – I hear you. And you are objectively WRONG. The US comes in after Chile, Bolivia, Mexico, like all of Europe, ect…

    Hard fucking hard is it to look up wikipedia? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline

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  362. > Technologies like molecular nanotechnology, genomics and maybe genetic engineering, and the looming possibility of artificial general intelligence will likely determine who has total control of the world in the twenty-first century.

    Arbitrarity, you are modest enough to be open-minded.

    I don’t know how possible genetic engineering is going to be. Obviously we can knock genes out of mice or in, but I’m not informed about whether those procedures are actually safe.

    Furthermore, to generally ‘advance’, and have power, you need IQ, whose determinants appear very likely to be highly dispersed through the genome, so that it is improbable that you can splice them all in. The same is probably true for the other big traits.

    I admit, there could be some other possible methods, though.

    Anyway, you admit that these things are possibilities; you admit that they’re hypothetical. Basically that’s the answer: they’re hypothetical! I have big doubts that any of them will ever happen. If -you- don’t know how to make them, just how do you evaluate the probability of their advent, without gigantic residual uncertainty?

    What may be a lot more more likely is Richard Lynn’s scenario, in which some society, probably Northeast Asia and maybe Russia too, go ahead and do eugenics, and blast off in that way. There, we are talking about something whose methods are perfectly known, indubitable. Child’s play. All you do is pay or otherwise incent the best to reproduce a lot and the worst not to. The difference between this and some tech that is theoretically possible cannot be emphasized enough.

    The reason that there will be the extreme, extreme bickering described by Godless is this. In Latin America whites and near-whites live very segregatedly, if present in a certain country, and they run things. When they aren’t present, usually that means the standard of living is going to be in the range around $4,000 a head at PPP. Anyway, by and large, the non-whites down there just deal with it. here they are used to things being very different. In fact, so are the whites, smart black, asians, etc. How wacky are they all gonna be yelping when Obamacare gets nixed, 10 years from now? If there isn’t a stagflation or even hyperinflation sometime before then? Basically, they are going to go bananas. We are all used to having it easy. Waking up is going to be very painful. Having large numbers of less-competent, more-corruptible affirmative-action people making decisions they can’t handle, in the economy and in government, is a difference between us and Brasil. So, to the extent that we maintain that, our average standard of living won’t wind up equal to Brasil’s but worse! The same goes for giving people a safety net that is in some ways good but in some ways incents them not to work (to a large extent, you can’t have the good without the bad, unless say your soceity is all west-Euro or all Japanese). By the way, Latin America has had a total of -hundreds- of coups in the last 150 years. That includes Brasil, whose demography is pretty like our future democracy. By the way, dysgenics is not moving all that fast, but don’t rule out a small effect from this quarter as the future develops over two more, or especially three and four more generations. What’s really sad from a non-white perspective and a race-relations perspective is that it moves a good deal faster among blacks than among whites, and probably among Latin Mestizos too, but I’m not certain. Now, look, Brasil got where it is economically by growing. We’re going to get there by shrinking, and the effects are gonna be very different. How’d you like to live with your parents your whole life – even if they both have Alzheimer’s? Or, in any crowded house? That’s one example out of 100 of concrete effects of major long-term economic contraction, which will make people hopping mad.

    Anyway, people aren’t prepared for what’s coming, and they are going to be totally enraged and confused. You’ll see endless bickering. Governments that try to perpetuate the whole ‘diversity’ shebang will ultimately be unstable unless they use a large Stasi network and imprisonment and even torture. You will not, as some posters have suggested, see worldwide racial globalization. The first convulsions are likely to arrive within a few decades at most. Koreans and Japanese and especially Chinese are going to see what happened to us, they are pretty smart.

    There’s a chance that the economy will keep growing due to some amazing innovation but it’s not likely. See the Wikipedia entry for ‘IQ and the Wealth of Nations’ for quick evidence, though much of the very high correlation you’ll see is probably not caused by IQ – but rather by traits that are themselves correlated to IQ, like Conscientiousness. Some people have criticised the methods of that book as imperfect. Minutia really don’ matter, though; the correlation is so damn huge that if you take it down some ways it is still very high; so I’ll be interested in the folks quibbling about the methods if they find something that would *actually change the results materially*. And when you write off oil states that got 3/4 of their money from oil, tourism states like Barbados, and China which suffered until Deng appeared – the writing-off of which can clearly be justified – the IQ-income correlation is significantly higher.

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  363. hello?,

    You are right, of course. American emancipation was pretty late. Note, that slavery may actually not have been as cruel as the legend tells us, especially in small set-ups as opposed to the huge ones in the deepest South and the Caribbean. Actual whipping may have been pretty uncommon at least on the small outfits.

    Of course, there are plenty of sadists who love to whip for no reason. And, even without that it would still be a big sin. Likewise, it would still be a big sin without the high mortality on the trade ships crossing the Atlantic. And I am pretty near certain that separation from family was quite common, not a rarity; that alone is a cruelty which in its way is quite extreme, indeed a torment.

    Slave labor wasn’t too profitable in crowded Europe. Land was expensive and ages were low.

    In America wages were high, because if your boss was a dick you could tell him to fuck a cheese grater. Today, tomorrow, any day you like. You could always, always move westward, that is, and get your own farm; let nine tenths of the world perish, let the nation heave, you’ve still got bread (though in practice not every man was quite capable of being so enterprising). This is a big reason why there were huge profits in America from slaved-driving, which tempted men to sin, and there was less temptation in Europe (and never were near as many slaves in the first place). Ideally, men would be virtuous and temptation wouldn’t be a factor in sinning, but we know that it is.

    At one and the same time, temptation is a partial excuse, and also no excuse at all, zero. You can’t really say that it just partly is or just wholly isn’t – it’s paradoxically both. In the logic of human nature, where these normative truths reside, there’s no contradiction or paradox in that; it is not quite like the objective, starker logic of biology or sociology.

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  364. > you race realist types like to talk about empirics, about averages and percents. think about this. some small percentage of people who hold opinions outside of the mainstream are visionaries. the platos and galileos and darwins who realize the truth far in advance of their contemporaries. the overwhelming majority, however, are just self-delusional cranks with an ax to grind.

    Indeed. It’s too bad you don’t know how to tell which ones are which. A lot of us can.

    Blithely ignored in your comment is the fact that Watson, Crick, Shockley, and William Hamilton all explicitly believed in HBD even when their contemporaries anathemized it, as did Charles Darwin when his contemporaries accepted it – plus, presumably, Isaac Newton, RA Fisher, Copernicus, Plato, Gauss, and the rest of the geniuses of history. Are those immortal names?

    Who are the great names who explicitly supported anti-HBD? Lay em on me, yo.

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  365. A. Paleocon,
    For a decline model, Argentina may be a better example. At the beginning of the previous century, it was one of the wealthiest countries in the world.

    http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/argentina/

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  366. Well, looks like this circle jerk is about over. Which one of you manly men is going to clean up all the come?

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  367. Svigor says, “Blacks and Jews do have a lot in common.”

    …except Jews are mostly White.

    In case you didn’t notice the rest of what I said about the problems of generic whiteness, one of them that I’ll bring up now is that Jews are the best (most intelligent, creative, and civilized yet fiercely warrior cultured) race of Whites next to Vikings. By accepting the generic label “White”, you set yourselves up to be the bitches of the Jews. This will not change unless or until you stop calling yourselved White and riding on the coat tails of Jews as a source for your perceived sense of superioritaah.

    “Both groups depend on the civilizations whites create for their best outcomes.”

    You mean “created” in the case of the U.S. When the wave of revolutionary spirit of brotherhood died down, you inevitably turned your inherently or culturally despotic, exploitive tendencies on your own, you needed Jews and less self destructive races of Europeans to temper that.

    “Both groups thank whites by insulting them.”

    Again, what do you feel about a guy whose wife is a harpy and/or whore? What would you feel if that guy presumed that he was better than you, and that your culture that punishes women severely for being a whore or a harpy, was wrong and needed to be stamped out? What would you feel if a bunch of these punk assed guys’ wives and daughters started a movement that made it impossible to succeed in the society without being enough of a whore or whore friendly?

    Instead of looking at the symptoms, look at the disease that caused it. If your culture really was better, it would be like before all this crap happened, and people wanted to be just like you. When you were winners, the insults came from jealousy, which is natural. Now that you’re losers, people rightly insult you for being losers, even if they were raised in or programmed just as surely to self destruct by your loser culture.

    “Both groups would be worse off without whites, in contrast to whites, who’d be better off without either.”

    Should have thought about that before importing millions of potential enemies.

    …but this gets back to what I was talking about before as far as fatal stupidity. You make fatally stupid mistakes due to actually internalizing your own propaganda (like Black people aren’t human) and then get butthurt when things don’t go your way. It’s been a problem for the Saxons since before the U.S. was a twinkle in a Puritan’s eye.

    You rolled into England sure that the indigenous people there were stupid savages, convinced that you had some divine right to be there, and now they’re still a thorn in your side, reminding you that you don’t.

    …and if you have a problem with my saying “you” then that’s just tough because you seem to have the same mentality as your ancestors, at least one strain of them.

    “Both groups are allowed their ethnocentrism.”

    You’d be allowed yours too, if you hadn’t sold out to the generic White “race”. Since you did, now you’re staring down the barrel of being cowed into drone status by the elite Whites, and bred out by a less elite group of Whites (Mexicans) who outbreed you because they weren’t stupid enough to sell their identity for shiny beads.

    “Both groups play the “guilt” con against whites.”

    I explained this. If you as an individual, sign up for an organization that is closely associated with terrorists bandying about the same banner you wave, then you either feel or are viewed as needing to feel the same responsibility for the actions of your militant fringe.

    Those who do not wish to share the guilt with White supremacists (as opposed to separatists or the simply proud) should start calling yourselves something else like European if you’re mixed, or by the ancestral line of your fathers.

    “Both seem pretty hostile to their benefactors.”

    I don’t think any Black or Jewish American who isn’t an obvious nutbar is hostile towards George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, or any of the founding fathers. They’re just hostile towards people who want to kill or enslave them, or who are associated with such groups…or at least whoever the media’s promoting as such.

    In the latter case, you can’t really blame people for knowledge they don’t have.

    “And both have parts of the world they can call their own, in contrast to whites.”

    You have Germany.

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  368. A. Paleocon says, “Consider. Every civilization or ethny has made potentially-lethal mistakes. That doesn’t abnegate its right to try to correct errors that it may go on living (especially if it does so in a way that is considerate to outsiders, tries not to disturb the relative peace of the world, etc).”

    Very true. If your leaders or your people have screwed up in a major way, you have now, in the U.S. the right to try to correct those mistakes.

    The problem is (getting back to the real American history for a moment) that most people *didn’t* have any say in these decisions at the time they could have been made without causing a big mess. It was 1850 before all White males could vote, whether or not they were property owners.

    So your fate was being decided, for about a hundred years, by people who had a lot invested in the status quo, and were not going to give up their slaves and send them back to Africa, or start a free Black state somewhere, to deposit newly freed slaves.

    They didn’t see having African slaves as a mistake because they were profitting from it. One could work an African much harder and severely than a Native American or European. Our skin heals faster, we can take more stress, and until recently, we weren’t eating much sugar. I have had only one cold in three years, that was actually the flu but I didn’t feel as bad as most folks do, and I’m not even the hardiest of Blacks. I’m kind of a nerd.

    “You seem to be suggesting that Whites should just go on sharing 100% of their territory with others, which virtually guarantees that they cease to exist through breeding with other peoples (we are not generally as ethnocentric as some other peoples, which is why this can be virtually guaranteed). Since there is currently no territory for White preservation, that’s it, there is no more right to pursue an existence for the indefinite future. There is no right to address and undo a mistake in a considerate fashion.

    Obviously I feel otherwise.”

    …but imagine an America where non propertly owning White males voted to nip African chattel slavery in the bud, and without the more rabid form of feminism.

    Who would be doing most of the mixing then?

    If you guessed men, you’d be correct. In such a case, it would be relatively infrequent, and when it was done, it would be in the context of prostitution, or ethnic balancing.

    There would be fewer descendants of slaves, and whatever Black people you saw would be one of those few or voluntary African immigrants. There would be a sort of African American culture, but it would mean about the same thing being Polish or Italian means. Whatever mild stigma there was, it wouldn’t be as threatening.

    …but we are where we are now, and there are ways to improve American life simply by not going along with current stupidity that’s affecting our current circumstances.

    Many of the problems between “races” in the U.S. can be solved by combatting feminism.

    Make a strong White race by being strong Americans of European ancestry. Remember what you were when everybody wanted to be you, and be that, just without the fatal stupidity caused by supremacy and wealth worship.

    There is nothing wrong with the pursuit of wealth, but a good bit of the problem with Americans of Anglo-Saxon descent is that they see nothing but the bottom line at the moment. Cultural consequences be damned.

    If you were more like Jews and understood that there’s a difference between what you do or promote in order to exploit or neutralize others, and what you want to go on in your own home, you’d be much better off. Your problem is that you (in general) buy into the hype.

    A Jew might want the law to be that in a divorce, the woman gets to take half, so that when his son in law ditches his daughter, she gets paid, but for himself, he’s got his property in a relative’s name so that if he ditches his wife, she gets jack.

    If his son in law is smart, he does the same, so in the end, nobody gets screwed.

    An Anglo-Saxon gets emotionally moved by women marching and burning their bras and says, “Yes! Equality now!” and doesn’t realize that it’s a sham, so he ends up paying half.

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  369. on October 7, 2010 at 12:22 pm Gunsilngergregi

    ””’If you want American rights, you have to perform your American responsibilities.””

    And you somehow think the responsibility of men is to pay for woman and the responsibility of white men is to pay for everyone else to their own detriment.

    he he he

    We aren’t buying it anymore and we don’t have to thanks to a global economy.

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  370. on October 7, 2010 at 12:26 pm Gunslingergregi

    The only thing we have to shake off is leeches trying to push off slavery as responsibility. Nobody was responsible for helping us be who we are. Nobody gave us a free lunch. Literally I didn’t get a free fucking lunch. I had to work to eat when I wasn’t even a fucking adult. We don’t owe shit for succeeding to anyone but ourselves if we make it through the maze of bullshit that has been set up for us to fail.

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  371. Well, looks like this circle jerk is about over. Which one of you manly men is going to clean up all the come?

    No one else thinks it’s a problem, so it sounds like you’re volunteering yourself.

    He who complains first ought to be the first to take action. Sounds like the job is right up your alley anyways.

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  372. The quickest way to conclude if a proponent of a particular philosophy is logical or simply fatally zealous is to see if they are aware of any faults or unintended consequences of their ideals.

    Realizing this, the majority of white nationalists are simply zealot pseudo-revolutionaries who care only for emotional gratification rather than logic or logistics.

    Here’s why:

    The current condition of the U.S. in geo-politics, socio-politics, socio-economics, etc. is due to the historical machinations of intertwined and interconflicting groups of ‘Elites’.

    Historically, opportunity and practicality rather than genetic ‘gift & grace’ have resulted in ‘the Elite’ of the U.S. giving proxy status to Diasporic European American offspring of the middle class bracket.

    It was simply a matter of politics and economics — Not a desire for “inclusive white brotherhood” — That has resulted in our current grudging racial juxtaposition today.

    It is STILL a matter of politics and economics that has resulted in our dystopia today.

    The conditions that preserve U.S. hegemony and lifestyle comfort for 310+ million Americans are very, very fragile — A product of mutual dependence between Economic Elite, Federal System and Citizen.

    The implementation of White Nationalism on any macro-systemic level would result in the whole system crashing down.

    Economically — The U.S. economy is propped up on four primary factors — Dollar hegemony, consumerism, control of third world resources and labor and relations with China.

    White Nationalists would seek to restructure our fragile economy exclusively for “white interests” — Not realizing that ANY restructuring of our economy would yield the next Great Depression due to the subtle insolvency of our economy already.

    Want to eliminate all non-whites and Jews from U.S. banking, finance and corporations?

    What would happen to U.S. stocks held by foreign investors?

    U.S. bonds?

    China would probably dump all their U.S. holdings and bonds into the market just to amputate themselves from the likely to fail U.S. and give them a leg up as the new global hegemony.

    [Not to mention how dependent the U.S. is on foreign trade. Try to feed your new “pure white state” without foreign oil or goods from non-white countries.]

    Militarily — A significant portion of the U.S. military is non-white, constitutionalist Patriot humanist or just anti-white nationalist [rather, anti-anyone-who-wants-to-change-the-status-quo].

    Assuming that a “White Nationalist Revolution” wasn’t put down instantly and managed to obtain some control over the military hierarchy, the 5 or so other international powers who would JUMP at the opportunity to invade or put down the new chaotic U.S. and take control of the global sphere.

    In fact, China, the E.U. and Russia have all released proposals fomenting such plans to “rescue” and “guide” a U.S. in shambles back towards “the right way”.

    There are at least 100 other variables that would doom a pre-, mid- or post-white nationalist revolution early on.

    As a black man and a dedicated citizen, I’ll happily declare the desire to take up arms to destroy the enemies — foreign and domestic — of the nation I love.

    See you in my crosshairs.

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  373. Guns, as I said before, you don’t owe us a damned thing.

    …but we don’t owe you anything either. It works both ways.

    White people made the maze of bullshit. There aren’t even enough Black people to vote in any kind of bullshit.

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  374. on October 7, 2010 at 1:21 pm Cannon's Canon

    wow, a black man opposes the jewish portrait of white nationalism. and even threatening violence! didn’t see that one coming; they are usually so ambivalent, those blacks.

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  375. @ Cannon’s Canon

    I however, did predict tired rhetoric, accusations of “Jewish Conspiracy and Influence”, sarcasm and a lack of logical in response to my post.

    Thank you for confirming it.

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  376. on October 7, 2010 at 1:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    Wrong. I am owed at least what was given to all the other minorities equal opportunity.

    But your right that I don’t owe anymore.

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  377. on October 7, 2010 at 1:34 pm Gunslingergregi

    Hey ruby read their bible every non jew is in the jewish cross hairs and they don’t deny it. THEY DON”T DENY IT.

    We already know whites are in black cross hairs just look at the murder stats.

    Keep it together for us though please.

    Between all the minorities and the feminists and jews working together we should be good. Time for a white smoke break.

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  378. wowee weewah

    The Alchemist – j r – The Cock of Obama – gbfm

    have nothin to reply.

    good. i like a beotchs that rolls over and goes to sleep after ive finished up

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  379. on October 7, 2010 at 1:41 pm Gunslingergregi

    Or it is time for white men to get the fuck out of the cross hairs and travel the world and go where we are appreciated.
    Plenty of jobs worldwide. We don’t need to fight just not partake in the bullshit.

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  380. Gunslingergregi said:

    “Or it is time for white men to get the fuck out of the cross hairs and travel the world and go where we are appreciated.
    Plenty of jobs worldwide. We don’t need to fight just not partake in the bullshit.”

    My Response:

    For once we agree.

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  381. Ruby,

    Who are you arguing with? I suppose Alex.

    Speaking of falsifiability, being a paranoid ethnostate seems to be working out pretty well for Israel, though, doesn’t it?

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  382. on October 7, 2010 at 1:50 pm Gunslingergregi

    If white males said fuck it and laid down their weaps and said fuck fighting the us wouldn’t have an infantry or the capability to wage war.

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  383. Gunslingergregi said:

    “If white males said fuck it and laid down their weaps and said fuck fighting the us wouldn’t have an infantry or the capability to wage war.”

    My Response:

    For many [except Neo-Conservatives, Neo-Liberals and Zionists] that scenario would be ideal.

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  384. on October 7, 2010 at 1:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    See the niggers show their hand.

    Thank You,

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  385. Ruby

    Gunslingergregi said:

    “If white males said fuck it and laid down their weaps and said fuck fighting the us wouldn’t have an infantry or the capability to wage war.”

    My Response:

    For many [except Neo-Conservatives, Neo-Liberals and Zionists] that scenario would be ideal

    tehn who would come back in baggies afta the fight for the rihgt for welfare Queens and beaners to pump out 14 baby after teh buts3seks!! lllllzzzolllzl

    Seriously, the many dead soldiers from Manhattan, seeking justice for 9/11 has been staggering. oy

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  386. Gunslingergregi

    See the niggers show their hand.

    Thank You,

    Are their hands still white?

    that still always creeps me out

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  387. Ruby,

    Speaking of falsifiability, how did the US manage to win WWI and WWII, given the lack of diversity in the military then? How did it manage to win the War of 1812, the Spanish American War, or the Revolution?

    Speaking of falsifiability, what would happen to the US military if Euro-Ams decided to stop designing advanced radar systems, missile systems, planes, tanks, etc?

    What would happen if we dropped out of the combat arms MOSes in the Marines and Army?
    Did you know that 70% of the combat deaths over the past decade have been Euro-Ams? What might that indicate about the demographic composition of combat arms MOSes?

    I’m pretty sure what I’ve described has happened to at least 2 other countries. Someone jog my memory here….

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  388. [except Neo-Conservatives, Neo-Liberals and Zionists] that scenario would be ideal.

    So suddenly those people will start serving in a combat arms capacity? (Hint: those of us who’ve served know hte answer) Speaking of falsifiability, won’t these menacing overseas enemies swiftly invade if we were to rely on your approved list of people to defend?

    You’re just sounding like a zealot now.

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  389. Did PA say that he actually likes to fuck cats?

    Freudian slip indeed. What a PAggot……

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  390. on October 7, 2010 at 2:15 pm Cannon's Canon

    ruby,

    i can’t unravel a single salient thought from your “politics and economics cause dystopia” declaration. really, nothing that you said is very cogent. sarcastic replies are probably your optimal yield.

    “our dystopia today” becomes “me, muh military, and MUH DICK will fight against anyone who wants to change the status quo” by the end of your screed.

    Realizing this, the majority of white nationalists are simply zealot pseudo-revolutionaries who care only for emotional gratification rather than logic or logistics.

    the majority of black men are prone to criminality, obtrusively stupid, and prefer women who resemble the great resource-aggregating apex herbivores of the sub-saharan desert. this statement is just as important and relevant as yours above. unlike your claim though, this one teems with statistical and anecdotal evidence. actually, your statement applies pretty well to black people too, or any majority for that matter.

    you’ve put forth nothing clever, influenced no one’s thinking, and reaffirmed stereotypes. mazel tov!

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  391. In Response to PRCalDude:

    [1] The U.S. military during the First and Second World Wars were close to 90% white, if memory serves correctly.

    U.S. victories during both wars were due to strong manufacturing infrastructure in the U.S. as well as the continental U.S. remaining relatively untouched by war when all other participant’s lands were being steadily destroyed by each other.

    The American Revolution was won mostly due to terrible planning, adaptation to that generation of warfare and logistics of the British Empire.

    The Spanish-American War was won due to Spain’s incompetence at quelling colonial rebellions and keeping colonial lands as well as internal conflicts in the nation of Spain. U.S. proximity to many of the Spanish colonies contributed significantly to success of U.S. strategy, as well.

    I’m sorry to say that I haven’t studied the War of 1812 in depth… I think I’ve proven my point, though.

    U.S. success in each of these wars had little to do with race.

    [2] While my previously stated scenario was a likely response to the very unlikely vision of a “White Nationalist Revolution”, your scenario of White Americans collectively playing out “Atlas Shrugged” for their entire nation is just illogical.

    In all honesty, I have no idea what would happen if the peoples of an entire nation decided to disable their national defenses for some unstated reason.

    It is an irrelevant scenario and I doubt it would ever happen here in the U.S.

    Assuming it did happen, I imagine the E.U., China or Russia would gain global political, military and economic hegemony in the wake of our hypothetically-suicidal nation.

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  392. @ Cannon’s Canon –

    When you are able to logically deconstruct my argument, I’ll respond to you.

    Trolling isn’t an acceptable substitute for honest discourse.

    I apologize that it is your last refuge.

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  393. U.S. victories during both wars were due to strong manufacturing infrastructure in the U.S.

    Just so we’re clear, the “manufacturing infrastucture” stormed the beaches of Normandy and island hopped through Japan?

    I’m sorry to say that I haven’t studied the War of 1812 in depth… I think I’ve proven my point, though.

    Your point is that geopolitical forces and historical circumstances win wars, not the people who fight them or the generals who plan them. So in other words, geopolitics and history did the invading, fighting, and defending while the people were nowhere to be found or were inconsequential. Obviously, you have no ancestors buried in national cemetaries – otherwise you wouldn’t be so quick to ignore their sacrifices – but that doesn’t surprise me.

    I’ll certainly allow you’ve got an interesting take on things.

    your scenario

    Mine? I was helping you falsify the claims of your lengthy screed about our Euro-Am-less national future. It’s not my scenario at all.

    You said yourself only zealots fail to attempt to falsify their claims. I’m just helping you steer clear of those shoals.

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  394. When you are able to logically deconstruct my argument

    Uh oh, I think tha O might be back….

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  395. In Response to PRCalDude –

    My point is that logistics wins wars. It always has and always will.

    The Nazi invasion of Stalingrad was made impotent and then a failure against a relatively defenseless city because of their inability to properly supply the siege lines against the harsh Russian winters.

    The history of warfare is not the history of superior men destroying inferior men, but rather superior planners and adapters setting up their attacking or defending forces to survive, defend and counter against dynamic opposition.

    The fact that you would even begin to oppose this essential truth confounds me. What are you trying to prove?

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  396. PRCalDude

    When you are able to logically deconstruct my argument

    Uh oh, I think tha O might be back….

    Gee, the ONE person who writes with even MORE cavernous voluminousness of hollow echoes than gaybooksformen….

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  397. The history of warfare is not the history of superior men destroying inferior men, but rather superior planners and adapters setting up their attacking or defending forces to survive, defend and counter against dynamic opposition

    lol – not men, or any group of men, just “planners and adapters.” Perhaps they were aliens from outer space? The aliens plan strategy and come up with logistics? Does that happen on its own, or are people and groups of people responsible for them? If the latter, which group was responsible for them in the wars I mentioned?

    Anything to keep from admitting that Euro-ams did anything, right?

    If you’re not Obsidian, you and he are certainly cut from identical cloth right down to the AA intellect and goony vocab-builder writing.

    BTW, you said, “See you in the crosshairs.” Another question, if you’ll bear with me. Crosshairs of what? I want to know what kind of internet gun expert I’m dealing with here.

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  398. Ruby

    The Nazi invasion of Stalingrad was made impotent and then a failure against a relatively defenseless city because of their inability to properly supply the siege lines against the harsh Russian winters

    hmm.

    That happened after the Hitler egregiously spent his military capital on a city (without any military value) simply because it had the name of his ‘greatest’ enemy.

    Von Paulus – well-supplied – over extended his forces into the quagmire of an urban setting, creating a bulge ripe for Soviet pincers.

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  399. In Response to PRCalDude –

    I have no idea what you’re even arguing, anymore.

    Sun Tzu and Genghis Khan were European Americans, what?

    The Nazis or Russians who fought in the Battle of Stalingrad were Americans?

    Even if we look at the involvement of European Americans in the First and Second World Wars, any victories achieved by the U.S. were due to logistical and strategic superiority rather than whatever superiority of character, culture or genetics you’re floundering to defend.

    As for my weapon of choice, I’m slowly building an AR-15 of a BCM mid-length upper, CAV-15 polymer lower and Magpul MOE accessories.

    Hopefully it will be complete before the White Nationalist Revolution starts, eh?

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  400. In Response to Firepower:

    Encirclement by Soviet Forces as well as failed relief efforts by Erich von Manstein led to the Nazi Invasion Forces being effectively cut off from resupply after November of 1942.

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  401. yes – they were encircled while fully equipped.

    Logistic problems came about after encirclement.

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  402. In Response to Firepower:

    I can agree with that assessment.

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  403. have no idea what you’re even arguing, anymore.

    No surprises there.

    Even if we look at the involvement of European Americans in the First and Second World Wars, any victories achieved by the U.S. were due to logistical and strategic superiority

    So what produced these? Magic? Fairies? Bees? Squirrels?

    than whatever superiority of character, culture or genetics you’re floundering to defend.

    Patton had it all wrong, huh?

    As for my weapon of choice, I’m slowly building an AR-15 of a BCM mid-length upper, CAV-15 polymer lower and Magpul MOE accessories.

    Uh huh….. you’ll be all ready for THE ALBINOPOCALYPSE. But what happens if we release another disease on you (people) just like we did with AIDS or launch another chemical attack LIKE WE DID WITH CRACK?

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  404. In Response to PRCalDude:

    [1] Logistical superiority is produced by successfully dispelling and navigating the “fog of war” — Having intelligence [HUMINT, COINTEL, RUMINT, SIGINT, etc.] capabilities, troop placement and resource lines in place well enough that you’re able to surprise and overwhelm your enemy and/or successfully destroy enemy attacks.

    Read Sun-Tzu, Machiavelli, Von Clausewitz or Robert Greene [for the abridged version] — Superiority, especially in war, is strategic and materiel, not metaphysical or microbiological.

    You’ve deviated so far from your original argument in an attempt to defend it that your initial charge to defend American military hegemony as being uniquely European American in origin and upkeep has lost all meaning.

    I would suggest for you to make some final “Fuck you!” statement and retreat from this discussion.

    You’re not winning the debate — You’re not even coming close to uprooting my premise.

    Your last statement, alluding to some sort of ethno-CRBNE attack, shows just how far you’ve stooped in order to penetrate my logic and resolve.

    As far as I’m concerned your place in this debate is over.

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  405. Logistical superiority is produced by successfully dispelling and navigating the “fog of war”

    Who does the navigating?

    Having intelligence [HUMINT, COINTEL, RUMINT, SIGINT, etc.

    Who gathers the intel?

    Superiority, especially in war, is strategic and materiel, not metaphysical or microbiological.

    Right, and who produces strategy and materiel?

    You’ve deviated so far from your original argument in an attempt to defend it that your initial charge to defend American military hegemony as being uniquely European American in origin and upkeep has lost all meaning.

    Right it was the product of mysterious forces (strategy, materiel, geopolitics) that work in a vacuum independent of peoples, places, fighting men, and generals.

    Didn’t you say before that you didn’t know what my argument was? Suddenly, you’ve figured it out huh, or were you just lying before?

    Your last statement, alluding to some sort of ethno-CRBNE attack, shows just how far you’ve stooped in order to penetrate my logic and resolve.

    I was actually mocking your paranoia and gullibility. The fact that you took me seriously says a lot more about you than it does me.

    Really, O, you just need to go back to your blog. You’re just going to irritate everyone here and no one wants to read another series of dishonest arguments from someone so blinded with ethnic chauvinism (you) that they can’t concede obvious and basic facts.

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  406. I posted a link to this godless comment at Half Sigma a couple of weeks ago. It’s a great piece and I’m thrilled to see it’s getting wider exposure. I wish gc would return to blogging.

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  407. …except Jews are mostly White.

    In case you didn’t notice the rest of what I said about the problems of generic whiteness, one of them that I’ll bring up now is that Jews are the best (most intelligent, creative, and civilized yet fiercely warrior cultured) race of Whites next to Vikings. By accepting the generic label “White”, you set yourselves up to be the bitches of the Jews. This will not change unless or until you stop calling yourselved White and riding on the coat tails of Jews as a source for your perceived sense of superioritaah.

    Generic whiteness bad. How ’bout generic yellowness, brownness, blackness? Those okay?

    Jews aren’t the most creative, intelligent, and civilized Caucasoids. If they were, Israel would be higher in the rankings of intelligence, creativity, and civilization.

    And they aren’t white. If you are something, you’re that thing when it sucks. But Jews play games with their “whiteness.” They’re white when they think it’ll get them somewhere, and not when they think it’ll take them backwards. See, that’s another gripe I have with critics of white ethnopatriotism; they think they get to define “white” for us. They don’t. We do. And we don’t include Jews in that definition.

    You’ll have to explain that “riding the coat tails” thing, no idea what you’re talking about.

    “Both groups depend on the civilizations whites create for their best outcomes.”

    You mean “created” in the case of the U.S.

    No, I mean “create.”

    When the wave of revolutionary spirit of brotherhood died down, you inevitably turned your inherently or culturally despotic, exploitive tendencies on your own, you needed Jews and less self destructive races of Europeans to temper that.

    I have no idea what you’re talking about.

    Again, what do you feel about a guy whose wife is a harpy and/or whore?

    That he should stop putting up with the harpy/whore?

    What would you feel if that guy presumed that he was better than you, and that your culture that punishes women severely for being a whore or a harpy, was wrong and needed to be stamped out? What would you feel if a bunch of these punk assed guys’ wives and daughters started a movement that made it impossible to succeed in the society without being enough of a whore or whore friendly?

    Okay, that’s three “wtf is this broad even talking about?”s for me, I’ve had enough. Next!

    Ruby:

    The quickest way to conclude if a proponent of a particular philosophy is logical or simply fatally zealous is to see if they are aware of any faults or unintended consequences of their ideals.

    Realizing this, the majority of white nationalists are simply zealot pseudo-revolutionaries who care only for emotional gratification rather than logic or logistics.

    Here’s why:

    [long string of straw man arguments follows]

    She hasn’t even read the thread; if she had, she’d be addressing the WN’s arguments, not her straw men (incurious). Totally disinterested in what WNs have to say (incurious), only interested in constructing straw men (authoritarian).

    [Okay, not a “she,” what am I supposed to thing with a name like “Ruby”?]

    I know, that’s an ad hom response, but you don’t need to reply substantively to an empty critique.

    [Not to mention how dependent the U.S. is on foreign trade. Try to feed your new “pure white state” without foreign oil or goods from non-white countries.]

    This is the kind of absurd “critique” that ethnopatriots deal with on a consistent basis. Can it get any dumber? It’s made out of whole cloth! No one here has even hinted that they’d reject “dirty Arab oil, dirty Chinese widgets,” etc., but that doesn’t stop Ruby the idiot from putting together a straw man to exactly that effect.

    Ethnopatriotism: the ideology that people have to make shit up about to oppose. It’s kind of flattering, I suppose.

    There are at least 100 other variables that would doom a pre-, mid- or post-white nationalist revolution early on.

    I wonder how many unmarked graves in Russia hold the corpses of men who thought the Reds would never win? “Revolution can never work” is a tough sell in America. I mean, don’t get me wrong, I don’t join ethnopatriotism and (violent) revolution at the hip (which is precisely what Ruby wants to do), but still, this is a country founded by violent revolution.

    My final note vis-a-vis Ruby’s post is, make sure you properly categorize criticisms of ethnopatriotism. One of the most important distinctions here is internal, and external. Internal criticisms are those inherent to ethnopatriotism. External criticisms are those that arise from those opposed to ethnopatriotism. E.g., non-whites who don’t like whites getting uppity, non-white countries that will exact economic revenge, etc. It’s an important distinction because, some folks don’t want you to cure your cancer; they want you to die. So they may threaten to pull the plugs on your medical equipment if you “try that dangerous, experimental cure.” And they’ll tell you that the experimental cure will kill you, etc. But none of that has anything to do with whether the experimental cure will work, and everything to do with the fact that they want you to die, but aren’t willing to come right out and say so. I’m phrasing somewhat tendentiously for effect here, but I trust you get the point. “If you go to the cops, I’ll kill you” may be true, but that doesn’t mean going to the cops is a life-threatening event.

    In my experience, almost all of the concrete “problems” with ethnopatriotism are external, which I find telling.

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  408. These external arguments sound a lot like the sort of thing Master says to the Slave:

    “Boy, you go tryin’ to read, and it’ll end badly for you!”

    Is literacy bad! No! Massa just don’t want the nigga to better hisself.

    “Boy, don’t you go spreadin’ them ideas about rights for slaves. It’ll end badly for you!”

    Are rights bad? No! Massa just don’t want the nigga gettin’ uppity.

    Et cetera.

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  409. An easy way to pare away external problems and get right down to the internal ones is “ceteris paribus,” or, “all else being equal.”

    Imagine two Americas, one white, one multiculti, and otherwise identical. This is your starting point for comparison.

    Which would be better for whites to live in? Obviously this leaves several issues still up for debate (e.g., how much better would our economy be without diversity?), but it cuts through the Gordian knot of external issues and the usual nonsense that really have nothing to do with ethnopatriotism.

    Which do you think joe six pack and sally soccer mom would gravitate to, over time?

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  410. on October 7, 2010 at 9:34 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””Ruby
    Gunslingergregi said:

    “If white males said fuck it and laid down their weaps and said fuck fighting the us wouldn’t have an infantry or the capability to wage war.”

    My Response:

    For many [except Neo-Conservatives, Neo-Liberals and Zionists] that scenario would be ideal.
    ””””””””

    ”””””””[2] While my previously stated scenario was a likely response to the very unlikely vision of a “White Nationalist Revolution”, your scenario of White Americans collectively playing out “Atlas Shrugged” for their entire nation is just illogical.

    In all honesty, I have no idea what would happen if the peoples of an entire nation decided to disable their national defenses for some unstated reason.

    It is an irrelevant scenario and I doubt it would ever happen here in the U.S.

    Assuming it did happen, I imagine the E.U., China or Russia would gain global political, military and economic hegemony in the wake of our hypothetically-suicidal nation.”””””

    See be carefull what you wish for you will get it.
    What do you think has been happening as the people who do shit are punished for it in us while in other places they are cherished.

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  411. Svigor says, “Generic whiteness bad. How ’bout generic yellowness, brownness, blackness? Those okay?”

    Nope. None of the generic ethnicities are okay. It’s just that most Black people don’t know where they come from because of the nature of chattel slavery and much more mixing of African races. European Americans should all know where their ancestors were from, to the town.

    “Jews aren’t the most creative, intelligent, and civilized Caucasoids. If they were, Israel would be higher in the rankings of intelligence, creativity, and civilization.”

    The Ashkenazim are. It’s the Moroccans (pale African people) dragging the averages down.

    It’s so normal to have at least a bachelor’s degree here, there are degreed waiters and gas station attendants.

    “And they aren’t white.”

    Yes the Askhenazim are. A significant proportion of Ashkenazim are descended from Jews who are Jews by choice, not by ancestry. The rest were in Europe so long that with interbreeding, they are European enough to be legitimately European.

    If they’re not European, they’re Asian, which still doesn’t put them lower than Europeans in the bell curve.

    “If you are something, you’re that thing when it sucks. But Jews play games with their “whiteness.” They’re white when they think it’ll get them somewhere, and not when they think it’ll take them backwards. See, that’s another gripe I have with critics of white ethnopatriotism; they think they get to define “white” for us. They don’t. We do. And we don’t include Jews in that definition.”

    Sorry, but in all the statistics on intelligence, Askhenazi Jews are counted among Whites.

    They are more likely than even other just northern Europeans to have a >140 IQ. 4 in 1000 northern Europeans has over 140. 23 in 1000 Askhenazi Jews has an IQ of more than 140.

    They stomp you in the dust in intelligence.

    “You’ll have to explain that “riding the coat tails” thing, no idea what you’re talking about.

    It means that you take the achievements of both high achieving Anglo Saxons and non Anglo Saxons, especially Jews, to mean that you, as an individual, are somehow more valuable just because you have pale skin.

    Though I have many role models and there are many people of African descent who are very intelligent and creative, I gauge my value by my abilities and achievements as an individual. I do not think that the world or the government owes me anything just because my skin is brown.

    I understand that this world is a cruel place in many ways, and that “deserve’s got nothing to do with it” so I’m grateful to have a mind to see through the bullshit, and to have been born in a country where a guy is free to post about problems with the government and the culture.

    When I found a guy who understood me and valued me, I got on a plane and came to Israel. I’m glad to have had the right to do that without someone waiting at the border with a rifle to prevent me from going where I was wanted.

    I’m not sure if you understand what a privilege that is, and how close you are to being essentially prevented from doing that by sinister changes to the VAWA.

    On what an in touch with their roots person of African descent sees when he looks at the mangina culture of generic Whites, Svigor dismissively says, “Okay, that’s three “wtf is this broad even talking about?”s for me, I’ve had enough. Next!”

    Stick around, padawan. It will all become clear to you.

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  412. In Response to Svigor –

    I’m not criticizing white nationalism on moral or philosophical grounds; I’m criticizing white nationalism on logistical and goal-orientation grounds.

    The right of any interest group to SEPARATE is their own.

    I consider myself a decentralist and will debate [and if necessary, fight] for the right of individual and group self-determination as long as said group’s determined policies don’t interfere with others.

    I apologize if you’re a WHITE SEPARATIST who wants to escape our failing system with people of like-mind and intent, but the site linked in your screenname [“Majority Rights”] alludes to a desire to deracinate and/or disenfranchise non-whites for social and political gain.

    Again, I am not going to try to convince you of the ‘wrongness’ of your goals… I will however state why they are detrimental to all, and ultimately doomed.

    Here are some of the progressions that would, hypothetically, have to happen to create an ideal white nationalist state:

    * You would have to organize a white nationalist party or movement without being dismantled by the U.S. Government.

    * You would have to defeat the U.S. Government and U.S. Military.

    * You would have to recruit enough of the civilian populace, U.S. Government and U.S. Military to defeat the opposition.

    * You would have to unify conflicting interests within your organization. Even William Pierce, Don Black, George Lincoln Rockwell and Billy Roper all had difficulty uniting the various political and social degrees of white nationalist interests.

    Assuming all this is done and “The White Nationalist Revolution” has triumphed, you would have to:

    * Expel all non-white peoples from your new geographical state.

    * Break up all interracial couples and families.

    * “Deal with” the white and non-white opposition.

    * Deal with possibly sympathetic but perceivably non-desired groups like homosexuals, Jews, Constitutionalist Patriots, etc.

    * Renew and repair the public and private sector infrastructure due to a loss of workers.

    * Stop [white] scientists, technologists, engineers, mathematicians, computer experts and healthcare workers from leaving your fatally doomed nation. Some of these career fields are filled with a non-trivial amount of non-whites and I truly doubt the majority of whites within them would be sympathetic to your cause.

    * Somehow keep the U.S. economy going — Domestically and internationally. It isn’t a matter of accepting or denying Arab oil or Chinese goods — Its a matter of the Middle East and China deciding to pull exportation and dump bonds after you expel their people from your new “Whites-Only State” and ultimately change the face of the world stage forever.

    These are just a few of the logistical hurdles you’d face. How would you navigate them?

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  413. Ruby, the basic answer about how it can be done is simple.

    Just look at how the other cohesive ethno-cultural groups have come to territorial/ social dominance where they have, and learn from it.

    How does a White community transform into an overwhelmingly Asian community, for example? Over a process of ethnic terraforming, door by door, block by block, until a critical mass of influence and resources is reached. Those who like the transformation and see it as “in my interests” will move in, and those who don;t like it or find it ‘offensive’ will sooner or later GTFO. You’ve seen this process take place again and again over the decades–applied in a variety of ways by every “minority’.

    Ruby, you do raise good logistical and realist concerns. We are a problem solving people, and we can come to solutions. For example, I see nothing wrong with a little quid pro quo diplomacy—“do this/ let this happen, and we’ll do that/let you do that”. These world powers have concerns of their own, and the current US powers have often been an antagonist factor for them. So we renegotiate a better deal that 1) meets our essential interests, and 2) helps these foreign powers get the current US powers off their backs and out of their hair in their own affairs. Want the mass media to stop messing with China and Russia? Done. Want us to look the other way instead of intervening in some Middle East dispute? Fine.
    But we have a few things and a few assurances we want in return, and you probably are smart enough and can figure out what that would be. A lot of these foreign powers have been playing the game for much longer that the American upstarts have—they have a tendency to think a bit more strategically and longer term, to tolerate temporary risk and even pain for a long term greater benefit they can believe in. Want the world to stay off the backs of a new white nation in North America? Make a better deal with it ( based on their most essential interests) then they are getting from the current powers that be, while at the same time protecting the most essential interests of our nation and people. I don’t know exactly how it can be done, but I believe it can and must be done.

    But nobody is going to deal with us in such manner until we are obviously a viable national community in and of ourselves already. Let’s get to that point first…we have no chance until we do that. Right now, we need to form the embryonic organic White nation in North America from within the womb of the dying society around us. We need to form it on a solid foundation that is permanent and unassailable—no more flimsy temporal national foundations that will just end up getting run down like a cheese on a grater by the professional “critic” nation-wrecking tribes of tomorrow (y’all know what I mean, and if that glove fits than it shall be worn in the open). So, let us first deal within our own house and our own family. That is where the struggle for the future will be decided, long before we actually take down our external active enemies (notice that this is NOT the same as “anyone who isn’t like us”). The biggest problem of the White race is that we largely forget who we are and what we were ultimately trying to do. In recent centuries, we let certain *ahem* faux *cough* “elites” atop our own people determine these things for us. Well, we’ve arrived at the inevitable limitations of what will happen with that sort of survival strategy. They rigged the game to serve themselves in the here and now, and the rest of our kind got the shaft. That isn’t what Nature intended of us when it chiseled us over the ages. We essentially used to pursue GREATNESS, but lately we just ended up pursuing the greater happiness of the few treacherous scoundrels atop our kind. In the process, our people lost its “soul” and its “compass” ( lacking better terms), and this was exploited by crafty power-aspiring racial foreigners who learned how to skillfully push our rusty buttons better than our own ‘domestic’ elites. They played us like a fiddle, using our own old flimsy foundations, popular platitudes, and even class sentiments against us. The old ways became their ultimate weapons, as they redefined everything we once held dear, and they trashed the rest. They got us to fight our own blood in two terrible tragic world wars—this is where the coalition of forces aiming for the demise of our kind really gained their momentum, make no mistake about it. When they sent our boys to fight Germany, they were really sending them to fight US, and that same struggle against US never actually ended (think about it). I see every single assault on the interests of the White race as a continuation of the struggle waged against our people during World War II. That’s the real reason that anyone who stands up for our people—no matter how it is done or to what degree— is promptly called a “Nazi” by our people’s enemies. Our enemies know—actually they instinctively sense, more then consciously grasp—what they are fighting against, and they call it by a very specific name because THAT NAME (in their minds) stands for the last time that Mighty Whitey was out kicking serious butt to secure its own interests and made no apology for it. Hey, if you doubt me, just ask one of these folks what they define a “Nazi” as, and listen closely to the things they complain about. Once you retrieve the meaning of their diatribe from their weirdo PC-zealot lexicon, you see that they complain about anything that could lead to great human evolutionary progress, which is why I refuse to call these barbaric oh-so-enlighted piglets a “progressive”. No, their kind killed or neutralized most of the real progressives during the Second World War, and we’re all still reeling from that enormous loss. Then they drove much of the rest of the remaining real progressives out of mainstream society by the 1960s, and these barbaric bastards have been hegemonic and had a virtual monopoly to set the important societal trends ever since. That’s where the “Victory in Europe” in 1945 really got us, my friends. I say this to you because we have to learn our lesson, and dare to face it for what it is. They’ll call us names and dangle out stereotypes and strawmen. So what! That non-sense should have no power over you, especially if you grasp the essentials of the struggle. They want our kind dead, mixed into incoherent oblivion, or enslaved. UNACCEPTABLE—and if you agree that we will not go down that way but instead will do whatever it takes to secure the survival of our own people, guess what they’ll call you? That tired “r” word, the “h” word (hater), and of course the predictable “naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews”. But if you let that intimidate you, then you might as well already be buried six foot under. Instead, see these words for what they really are, and why they are really being brought into play against you. It’s a racial shit test against Whitey, and we better find it in ourselves to stop failing it and running for cover. Yes Sir, there is a relation to applied game here, just as in all other aspects of social life. Think about it. Whitey, you don’t have to be a doormat or a wimp, and you don’t have to play into their racial shit tests stereotypes anymore either (don’t play to their Hollywood-style expectations).

    Better idea is to be a confident Mighty Whitey who can skillfully turn the tables and reframe the whole situation in our favor. Mr. loud-mouth anti-white agitator asswipe is begging for a good hard negging that will hurt him/her in their weakest link, so indulge them with a glowing smile. When they try to play angel on the public stage, compellingly reveal them as the worst kind of devil (it really ain’t that hard to get good shameful dirt on most of our foes, ya know). Since many are programmed to white-knight for ‘oppressed minorities’, use it to your own advantage by showing just how sinister the anti-White asshole your dealing with actually relates to (exploits) these minorities in real life, here and now, then reframe to honestly discuss about the phony ‘champion of minorities’ real motivations. Blast them with their own medicine, and let them wear the scarlet letter ‘r’ for a change. We have to get good at that, and it will take practice…lots of practice in the field, till it becomes second nature to give them the judo master treatment when they dare to raise their hand or voice against Whitey. A few tumbles, a few good unexpected mind-fucks, and some serious demoralization and public shaming will do the trick for the vast majority of the self-hating pale-faced critters. Employ the arsenal of “culture of critique” methods in reverse, and you’ll wreck many of our foes until cry for mercy. Yank their halos off and point to their exploited Mexican servants or their Mystery meat trophy whore as proof that you have a hypocrite supremacist asshole playing angel for the crowd. “So, where do YOU live, Mr. diversity?” will make many of these anti-White bastards squirm. Use what you know (or can get revealed) and strike deep into THEIR filthy backyard, harder then they could ever strike yours…and be sure to keep that Joe-cool smile on your face while you do it. You’ll grow your ballsack and your inner confidence bigtime, and the benefit will carry over into other aspects of your life. I really wouldn’t be surprised if you could end up opening some chicks right after entertaining yourself (and others) at the expense of some faux-righteous “anti-racist”, but I must admit that I haven’t gone so far to speak from my own experience YET. But I like that kind of double-whammy challenge, and I’ll happily enjoy the spoils of war should I earn them. If anyone else here has had a successful application of game in such a doubly-whammy challenge, please speak up for the edification of your brothers.

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  414. @Ruby,

    This is also the reason I have contempt for White Nationalists.

    There’s no serious way to arrive at the place they want to be without first utterly destroying “white civilization” as they see it. Their goals may or may not be laudable or desirable, on that I won’t speak, they’re certainly interesting and interesting is sometimes its own reward, but–

    They’re inconsistent, not pragmatic, the social mores required to make them work are – at best – difficult to enforce and there’s a profound lack of thought about the consequences, the very real real-life consequences that would shatter their attempts to build a new nation. They’d end up throwing the baby out with the bath water.

    And then you hear other White Nationalists say that the loss of, say, democracy would be no great loss; the loss of self-determination would be no great loss, so long as they could rid themselves of non-white people; and all of this out of their inability to use their imaginations to solve the problems we’re actually beset by. It’s all a profound lack of imagination.

    And the very first talk of getting rid of American or Western democracy, I remember these words:

    Those who surrender liberty for security deserve neither and will lose both.

    I have no idea what they’d do with the grotesquely massive number of white “race traitors” that would actively and very violently oppose them.

    They assume everyone on “their side” will agree with whatever policy they endorse. There would be so many factions that their movements would rip themselves apart in purges, counter-purges, reactions, counter-reactions, and revolts and revolutions almost daily.

    The first time a petty dictator tried to build a community, there’s be a violent response by those who were racists but who wanted a white democracy; then they’d be called “race-traitors”, too, and purged or slaughtered or butchered in sham trials.

    Everything that makes the West a civilization would be thrown out the window by these people. Absolutely nothing that remained would be conducive to rebuilding a civilization.

    Virtually everything would be gone.

    These white nationalists are, at the very best, hopeful idiots. They’ve thought about nothing: not the continual riots, the invasions by opposing states, the internal convulsions that would tear down everything they tried to build, the probable assasinations, reprisals, assasinations again, further reprisals, a dozen minor revolutions waiting for a leader, …

    They’d never get a majority to go with them, and would have to impose their will. The Undesirables would likely say, Fuck You when told to leave; protests would follow, insurgencies, counter-insurgencies, …

    It would be a fucking nightmare.

    The grandchildren of these very same white nationalists would want to put their grandparents on trial for utterly obliterating any chance they had of having a decent life.

    All of the pseudo-philosophy they spout and the twisted science they use are irrelevant – in the maelstrom of social collapse and total anarchy that they’d create, it would come down to My Side Or Not, and quite literally, brothers would be killing brothers and families would be torn to pieces.

    The kind of world they’d create would be a seriously fractured Hell of monumental proportions.

    The fact that they never see this pragmatic result is testament to the utterly banal stupidity and blindness of human beings.

    Humans could sit back and watch as the Revolutions turned into the Reign of Terror and say – Oh, golly Gee, we had no idea this was going to happen – Ooops! But Napoleon, he seems like a bangup dude, let’s go back to kings.

    Or the Bolsheviks: The rest could see exactly where that was going. Or the Nazis.

    Hell on Earth for everyone.

    Including the sacred white race.

    I have no solution for their dreams of preserving white nations; I also note that the US was never explicitly meant to be white, though Europe has a claim to at least being indigenous. No idea what Canadians or Mexicans (spanish) or Brazilians think, but all of the Americans have been colonial settler-states with substantial sub-populations that were always seen as more or less permanent, unfortunate or not.

    So I have no solutions. But white nationalist solutions are poison, whether they know it or not– and their inability to see it the root of tragedy.

    Wanting to close the borders down to unlimited Hispanic immigration isn’t the same thing as wanting a Holy Race War to destroy the whole fucking planet.

    White nationalists just make having sensible policies make regular nationalists like me and most people look bad. Then the SWPLs go all nuclear on us – because these mondo retard White Knights have spoiled the milk we could use to reform our current state.

    Thanks a bunch, White Nationalist Retards.

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  415. @Alex,

    It’s post like yours that worry me.

    The white race wasn’t meant to pursue “Greatness”. No race was.

    This is what races are:

    Self-selecting, sometimes self-domesticating, groups of humans and groups of groups (sub-populations) with statistically significant variances in the expression and inheritance of some traits.

    Races are not personalities

    Races are not characters in a Grand National Novel.

    Don’t anthropomorphize “races”.

    There have likely been other “races”that no longer exist or exist only as invisible sub-units within larger races.

    Whites don’t have a lock on desirable traits – hardly.

    Superiority is largely conditional on environmental conditions.

    Races and their natures, as population biology demands, will be in states of flux almost constantly.

    It’s possible for a race to rapidly alter its genetic predispositions within a few generations – and a single gene can spread like wildfire when population/environmental pressures are introduced.

    So: White people can be racially “de-civilized” awfully fast, as the original variation still exists within it for natural selection to play with. What you’d end up with is remarkably similar to what you get in African Gatherer-Hunter societies.

    And I’ll put money on being able, especially with admixture and the right social policies, to do the same with other racial groups – including black Americans. Want the crime to go down? See to it, that by hook or by crook, by some social method perhaps not immediately obvious, that the crooks and criminals don’t get a chance to breed.

    Your obsession with purity and your Grand Theme and Great Ideals sound like a kind of Utopianism:

    And without fail, all Utopian thought has brought nothing but death, fear, squalor and pain.

    It’s like pulling your feet out of quicksand to get away from leftist Utopian thought right now:

    What you’ve constructed, as your massive one paragraph monologue so clearly shows, is a frighteningly self-delusional world in which ideas take on characters of their own and become actors in some Grand Play you have enacted in your own head, much like Mao, Hitler, Lenin or any of the other less-successful dreamers who tried to make the world a better place.

    The problem isn’t your ideals. It’s the delusional and all-too-human way you approach them. Ideals this, ideals that, who cares. We all construct fantasies and try to realize them in the real world.

    But the way you’ve set it down like this: This is the seed of the undoing of the White World you want to create.

    It’s never going to happen the way you want it to. Never. And when this realization truly sinks in, it’ll start to grind at the adherents to your cause, and you’ll collectively realize that the Goal is still pure and unsullied, but the road there is more torturous than you thought it’d be.

    And then the end will start justifying the means. Then you’re just another quasi-leftist nightmare philosophy justifying the oppression of its own members and fratricidal violence.

    Your little presentation up there illustrated that to me as clearly as a crazy guy with an MK47 standing on a bridge randomly shooting drivers.

    It makes absolutely no difference whether it’s Islam, and the quest for a Pure Islamic State, or your kind of White Nationalism, with its idealization and fuzzy logic and dreams, or Socialism with its complete misunderstanding of human nature —

    The only way you can achieve what you want, in the end, is by imposing it by force by whatever means necessary. And the difference between some guy with some government policy and you:

    You’re a True Believer, as clearly indicated by your massive paean to Whiteness.

    And there’s exactly one thing to do with True Believers who have delusions of power:

    Execute them.

    (Note: all of these true Believers smell like closet leftists; it’s because they believe in Collectives and Collectivities. There’s no real fundamental difference in approach between Nazis, Statists, Leftists, Communists, Feminists or White Nationalists).

    Stop trying to make Utopia. Politics is the art of the possible. If you try to do three impossible things by the afternoon, the consequences are usually awful.

    All white nationalism does is muddy the waters for actual, possible, important reform – which could actually be carried on without the back-stabbing public interference by white nationalists.

    How many times have I had to clarify that I’m not a white nationalist for wanting immigrants to speak English, when we take immigrants at all?

    It’s damned hard enough to take on the liberal-left establishment and their noxious philosophies. Yours are tragically similar, and I can only imagine what sort of state you’d end up making – or the methods you’d use.

    Leftists and statist ideologies like yours – and have no illusions, this is what you represent – are always poison.

    Your delusional paean above is more indication of that terminal Utopian sickness that drives men to create Hells on Earth.

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  416. @White Nationalists,

    So what happens when the (insert group here: Jews, Blacks, Hispanics, whatever) decide not to leave? When your neighbor decides not to get a divorce from his/her Undesirable mate?

    When demographics start to work against you?

    What then?

    Midnight assassinations? Boycotts? One neighborhood against another? Mass internment camps, roving death / torture / rape squads, official harassment, identity badges, Denial of Service / Job or Employment Limitations, Roundups, Executions, Trials for Race Treason, …

    I mean, please.

    There’s no way to get from A to B here. None. You can fantasize and dream up ludicrous scenarios until next Tuesday, but it’s absolutely impossible to get form A to B without utterly demolishing and destroying anything of value still left.

    The world you create will be one of death, mayhem, and monsters. You and your children and your White Brethren will be exactly as much victims as anyone else.

    Show me one viable peaceful plan, one viable method to Purify your state, and keep it clean, without resorting to Hitler or Ghengis Khan, just one– one not based on wishful thinking – then add in the variables that could go wrong –

    And then try again.

    The best you could hope for is a Serbian Kill ‘Em All And Steal / Blow Up Whatever I Want plan.

    The worst is that once you start down this road, you’re almost absolutely certain to have to start killing most of the white people you meet, too.

    And remember: Half the white countries, sympathetic or not, are almost certainly going to be against you. Kiss trade goodbye.

    Asia would fucking clean house if White Nationalists got anything remotely resembling power. While we reduce ourselves to militarized camps bent on mutual extermination, countries like China or Japan would end up owning all of our asses in a week.

    Retards.

    Someone please rescue us from the hallucinogenic dreams of our White Nationalist retard brothers.

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  417. on October 8, 2010 at 9:43 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””’Those who surrender liberty for security deserve neither and will lose both.”””’

    We have already been surrendered our liberty gorb.

    Are you joking?

    At least if it was done in a good cause like real change it might mean something.

    So we act like we are in boot camp until we are producing all the power and widjets and war machine for the entire world.

    And you hand out a fucking mission to create a motherfucking new paradigm.

    And people rise to the occasion.

    No big whoop.

    No diference from now instead of being life support for pussies though we get to be men building shit that changes the world.

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  418. I have a comment for Svigor that’s still in moderation.

    Anyways, I have to side with Gorbachev in this one. It would be a lot easier not to think of the ovens firing up when White nationalists propose “solutions” if most of them didn’t require mass executions or a bloody civil war that would lead to it, to accomplish.

    It’s like they don’t want to hear “strengthen your community”. That would be too hard…and this in itself is the problem of working with presumptuous low IQ caste-ists. Their mentality is on the same level as people of the same IQ in the Congo or hey, Serbia, who start a war without thinking about how they’re going to feed the army and make sure they’re either not estranged from their families, or are provided with sexual outlets in an extremely conservative society where there are not significant numbers of hookers or sluts.

    A simple thing like that can lead to the most brutal chaos you can imagine.

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  419. Midnight assassinations? Boycotts? One neighborhood against another? Mass internment camps, roving death / torture / rape squads, official harassment, identity badges, Denial of Service / Job or Employment Limitations, Roundups, Executions, Trials for Race Treason,

    Easy with the hysterics, Gorbachev. Calm down and wipe the spittle off your monitor.

    How about instead: (1) ending all ‘diversity’ immigration, (2) incentivising middle class familiy formation, and (3) ending the education-media complex’s proselyzation of political correnctess.

    If those are unacceptable to some, than my conclusion is that your message is “you have no right to exist.” And Gorbachev’s paranoid list is your MO, not ours.

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  420. @PA

    Midnight assassinations? Boycotts? One neighborhood against another? Mass internment camps, roving death / torture / rape squads, official harassment, identity badges, Denial of Service / Job or Employment Limitations, Roundups, Executions, Trials for Race Treason,

    Easy with the hysterics, Gorbachev. Calm down and wipe the spittle off your monitor.

    The problem is that White Nationalists don’t have a method for dealing with really intractable resistance – of which there will be serious examples. As True Believers, the moment they get any power, everything’s going to go to shit – largely because the resistance will be fierce and True believers have the most trouble dealing with those who Don’t Believe. In every revolution, this is where dreams start to die and the revolutionaries sell everything out – because they Believe.

    How about instead: (1) ending all ‘diversity’ immigration, (2) incentivising middle class familiy formation, and (3) ending the education-media complex’s proselyzation of political correnctess.

    Hey, I’m all for these. There’s nothing inherently White Nationalist about any of this – if anything, you could rename it Anglo Nationalism, American Nationalism (which it is), Common Sense or Good Social Policy.

    There’s nothing in 1-3 you mentioned that has anything remotely to do with White Nationalism at all.

    If those are unacceptable to some, than my conclusion is that your message is “you have no right to exist.” And Gorbachev’s paranoid list is your MO, not ours.

    I’d guess that almost everyone would accept 1-3 you mention above.

    I’ve never met a non-white that has ever argued that “whites have no right to exist”. If anything, a few self-hating SWPLs might parrot this, but these are the same people who often think the world would be better off without people, that humans are the root of all evil, and exterminating the human race would be a huge plus.

    As if intelligent foxes or lemurs will behave any differently.

    There’s a fine line between self-protection and aggressive denial, and in this case, in a society that’s been multi-racial almost since its inception, thanks to the wonderful institution of slavery (thanks, founding fathers).

    We invited slaves here: We invaded territory and absorbed populations: We invited people in through immigration openly until the 1920’s and selectively after that: these people are all now American citizens.

    Many of them have roots here that go way, way, way further back than many white people. Some of these white nationalists, if they were born overseas, can just shut the hell up and go home to Europe as far as 8-generations Born here blacks or whites are concerned.

    Like it or lump it: The diversity we have now is here to stay. No way out without mass death, violence and purges. There just isn’t.

    On the other hand, there’s no reason we need to commit suicide and have millions of illegal not-even-English-Speaking Latin Americans pouring in, either.

    It’s only when white nationalists start into their laladream state that they get scary. The rest of the time, when it’s kept in the world of the possible and ethically manageable, it’s all good to me.

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  421. “No one else thinks it’s a problem, so it sounds like you’re volunteering yourself. ”

    Reminds me of the Happy Gilmore line, “I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast.”

    I see. You don’t think having come all over you is a problem. Clearly, you speak from experience. Carry on then.

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  422. The problem is that [WNs] don’t have a method for dealing with really intractable resistance

    A huge meta-strawman in your arguments is the whole WN caricature. WNs are marginalized individuals, often likely college-aged kids, who rant at their keyboard. They don’t have ‘methods’ because they are not in any position of influence, be it institutionally or culturally.

    So forget WNs and instead consider everyone else. All people, including SWPLs, want this, as evidenced by their acts, even if their words are hypocritically pro-diversity. They don’t call themselves WN, they don’t rant on obscure blogs, but in essence, they all want the same thing — a hospitable social habitat of shared culture, norms, and appearance, for themseles and their posterity.

    of which there will be serious examples. As True Believers, the moment they get any power,

    True believers exist in any movement, so youre making a meaningless arguent. I like prisitne lakes, hate overdevelopment, and don’t like lead in car exhaust. But I have nothing in common with enviro-radicals who lie about global warming and advocate violent solutions to overpopulation.

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  423. PA, those are all good solutions, but calling them “ours” with reference to White nationalists is tragically naive.

    This would not be the first time I’ve had to explain to an eastern European that generic White Americans are different.

    The reason why most of them bought into the generic is because they wanted to forget their ancestry. There’s a reason for that, which goes back to real American history.

    Many, if not most, are the descendants of slaves, criminals, and other poor who were not members of the nobility in Europe, but some of whom made good for themselves in the U.S.

    Until there was some legal advantage just for being White (1850 more or less because some states continued to make it hard for the poor to vote well into the 1900’s) there was some mixing with Blacks and Native Americans, and people sufficiently “diluted” enough to pass, did so. Some almost exclusively Native American people passed.

    Part of the “scratch on the brain” that many have comes from being descended from middling to low IQ people who were short sighted and greedy at the same time, with no real culture to temper that.

    Even when their overly high sense of entitlement was legally recognized, it was not enough. It was never enough…and it never will be enough.

    Today, just for having a vagina, each and every one of their White wives and girlfriends gets some manner of free lunch from the government, schools, and businesses, but Black people, only 8% of the population, over half of whom aren’t even poor, much less on welfare, are the problem that needs to be eliminated.

    It’s like the warlords in the Congo hacking off villagers’ limbs instead of going after the diamond and mineral companies raping their land. Idiots are idiots are idiots the world over, and they will kill the wrong people every time, partly because of stupidity, and partly because of the natural cowardice of people who would sell out their own culture.

    You do it because you have a culture that you love and you don’t want to see get overrun or disappear. They do it because they’re butthurt because they think a Black person becoming a doctor or an engineer because he came from a strong family that valued education is an insult to all White people, even if they’re crappy students from families where the mom is shagging half the town and homework is for nerds.

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  424. PA says, “WNs are marginalized individuals, often likely college-aged kids, who rant at their keyboard.”

    …but more often adults who ruined their own lives and wasted the opportunities they were given, who want to blame someone because their drinking, drugging, promiscuity, dropping out, and overall short sightedness didn’t result in a pile of money falling into their laps.

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  425. on October 8, 2010 at 11:23 am Gunslingergregi

    What is really fucked up is that all these hypothetical scenerio’s are nothing compared to the way men are being treated right now in the united states of america.

    The reality of conditions for a shitload of people is hell.

    35,000 suicides is a lot of dead people killing themselves in the united states of america in one fucking year.

    Vietnam in how many years was 55,000 deaths?

    Something is wrong now.

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  426. Gorb,
    Why do you even care about the United States? It sounds like you are treated like a celebrity in Korea with beautiful women being thrown at your feet.
    PA may not have been born here but he has consistently demonstrated a strong understanding of and respect for our history and culture. I have seen this quality in other recent immigrants as well. It isn’t like he is asking everyone to speak Polish and convert to Catholicism.
    Nicole,
    I have no idea what you are talking about.

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  427. Laura, I don’t expect you to know what I’m talking about, or Svigor, for that matter. You’re both kind of blind to the reality because you cling too hard to your pet persecution complexes.

    You’re probably basically good people, but you can’t see who’s really screwing you, so you pick the easiest target: other people just like you, only a different color.

    Racism as far as favoring people who look similar to one’s self, is natural, but all the elites know this despite their denials. They use it against lower ranking people as a distraction.

    They are in no danger of being overthrown when they know that when any chaos begins, you’ll attack those most easily reachable to you: those of the same or lower rank but easily identifiable as “other”. This will give them plenty of time to prevent you from going for them.

    Worse, you’ll bypass the 9 White women who profitted from feminism, quotas, etc. to get to the one Black guy who, being male, more likely than not, busted his ass to get where he is.

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  428. Nicole,
    It doesn’t bother me at all to see a black man become a doctor. If anything, I would be happy for him.

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  429. …but more often adults who ruined their own lives and wasted the opportunities they were given, who want to blame someone because their drinking, drugging, promiscuity, dropping out, and overall short sightedness didn’t result in a pile of money falling into their laps.

    You haven’t been in America for a few years, so that’s forgivable. That’s the way it WAS.

    For those currently trapped in America? Don’t matter what you do. The oldsters and the rich are in an end-run to maintain their collapsing standard of living at all costs.

    Young-in is the food source they have long since exhausted. Doesn’t stop them from trying and trying and trying.

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  430. @Laura,

    Despite its flaws, I’m American and I love my country. All of it.

    I feel a very deep and abiding attachment to my fellow citizens. I get a heart-warming glow when I see US TV shows overseas and US customs official at home: I may hate them but they’re mine to hate.

    I get the distinct impression that a lot of white nationalists hate everything about the US – its actual history, its ethos, its reason to be, its accomplishments and they misascribe everything positive it’s done to their own personal dreams.

    It really yanks my chain when immigrants – goddamned immigrants – from white countries come here and tell white folk what the fuck to do.

    Especially Eastern Europeans. Like your war-torn ethnopure states? Feel free to leave; there’s the door, don’t let it slap your ass on the way out.

    That doesn’t make me a nigger-lover or a Leftie Commie Bastard. But when Purewhite Microstatesky carves out a New World Order in Europe and manages to exterminate, browbeat or hogtie every undesirable but his mom’s uncle, I’ll shut up and make nice with these idiots.

    Black people and the hispanics who didn’t come here under the razor wire and everyone else including Jews who somehow managed to survive here and make a future are Americans and that’s that–

    And you can bet your booty that most Americans, white or not, when pushed against the wall, will back that. If there’s one thing that’s respected, it’s that puerile, meaningless piece of paper ideal. Our elites may trash it, our pseudo-lefty White National Socialists may trash it, Feminists may trash it –

    But there it remains.

    And White Nationalists are just another communalistic Socialist cause waiting for their Promised Nirvana or Utopia that will be millions of deaths in the coming and pain for everyone.

    We can get rid of welfare for everyone (including the useless deadweight of white trash white nationalists love so much), eliminate ass-backwards educational policies and make this country work without ever resorting to white nationalism, national socialism, socialism, Unionism or Bureaucratsism.

    I care about this country because, surprise surprise, I’m American – and I’m American before I’m white.

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  431. on October 8, 2010 at 12:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”’That’s the way it WAS.”””’

    Nope sure wasn’t.

    There has not been a time in a long time that a man could be sure that he could keep the fruits of his labor.

    Woman have been able to take his money and kids for a long long time.

    THAT IS THE BIG FUCKING LIE

    that at some point it was great for men.

    no.

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  432. @Laura and @Nicole,

    NicoleLaura, I don’t expect you to know what I’m talking about, or Svigor, for that matter. You’re both kind of blind to the reality because you cling too hard to your pet persecution complexes.

    They are in no danger of being overthrown when they know that when any chaos begins, you’ll attack those most easily reachable to you: those of the same or lower rank but easily identifiable as “other”. This will give them plenty of time to prevent you from going for them.
    Worse, you’ll bypass the 9 White women who profitted from feminism, quotas, etc. to get to the one Black guy who, being male, more likely than not, busted his ass to get where he is.

    And this is why I despise white nationalists. They’re too stupid to make decisions for themselves.

    The enemies of white people are pretty much entirely other white people. Like Yugoslavia, they send the peons off to fight other peons for scraps, while they suck up all the fat and look for more peons to sacrifice.

    White nationalism is the big distraction. It’s the distraction that hides the decay of white American society, caused almost in its entirety by white Americans and exacerbated by the fact that white Americans are too lulled into their own little fantasies to see it.

    The local black guy trying to get by is about as responsible for this as your mother.

    The Republicans are as bad as the Democrats. It’s the political culture that’s sick.

    Racism is just a nice little side-show. No problem is going to be solved by racial segregation or forced integration or racial anything for that matter.

    Our problems are so structural and so deep we’re too terrified to do anything about them and too dishonest to face our own culpability.

    In the end, targeting people by race is an admission of near total failure on our own parts. We failed to reign in our elites; we failed to inform them; we failed to control them.

    And now we don’t want to take responsibility for it.

    White nationalism is all about not taking responsibility.

    We can choose to work with what we have or retreat into fantasy.

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  433. Gorbachev

    In the end, targeting people by race is an admission of near total failure on our own parts.

    This natural order and progression of the entire human existence is by its continuously repeated pattern the ultimate and proper historical way to select an enemy.

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  434. @ Gorb – And this is why I despise white nationalists.

    OK, so you despise very marginalized individuals, probably college-aged kids on computers. Gotta give you this, you do zero in on formidable foes.

    Do you also despise every one else, being that they want the same thing WNs do as reflected by their private lives, but they just don’t call themselves WNs?

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  435. Besides WNs, gorb despise a lot of things very similar to a WN himself but covered in a different camouflage.

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  436. There’s no way to get from A to B here. None. You can fantasize and dream up ludicrous scenarios until next Tuesday, but it’s absolutely impossible to get form A to B without utterly demolishing and destroying anything of value still left.

    Well of course they can’t! But that’s a straw man. Nobody gets their political pony for Christmas. The leftists will never turn the US into a Swedish social democracy. The libertarians will never turn it into a Rothbardian anarcho-capitalist state.

    But the point is, they can win a few points. The left has a chance of getting their single-payer health system, the libertarians might be able to privatize social security, the social conservatives may succeed in getting abortion outlawed. None of them will ever get the country they want, but all of them have a shot at getting a country they can at least live with.

    White nationalists will never have an all white ethno-state, but they may be able to achieve goals such as getting the government off it’s ass to secure the borders, they may be able to eliminate affirmative action, they might realistically win the legal right to discriminate in business and economic affairs, giving them the option of creating white ethnic enclaves and communities. And none of that involves having to shoot, deport or coerce a single soul. Those are realistic political goals available to a which a white nationalist movement might aspire to.

    As the old song goes, you can’t always get what you want, but you might get what you need. Nowhere is that truer than in practical politics.

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  437. Why do you even care about the United States? It sounds like you are treated like a celebrity in Korea with beautiful women being thrown at your feet.

    Answer: He doesn’t. He has no horse in this race being an unmarried childless man in another country chasing foreign women. The only thing he possibly cares about is that Euro-ams keep manning the DMZ so he can continue to have his fun.

    Those of us marrieds-with-kids tend to care a bit more about the future because it affects our posterity.

    Everything else he said amounted to a straw-man. There’s really no difference between his writing and that of tha O/Ruby above. Svigor was right about the need for internal/external categorization of criticisms, esp. since all the external criticisms amount to knocking-over strawmen.

    Lastly – and no one responded to this before – how can being a paranoid hostile ethnostate be so bad when it seems to be working out so well for the Chosen? It seems to me that we’ve found a real-life example the paranoid ethnostate Gorby/Ruby/Obsidian mention in their straw-man critiques, yet this place seems pretty darn good for the people who live there.

    No, I won’t read that book massa.

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  438. PA, one doesn’t need to despise the sheeple to know they’re sheeple. This is what most people are. Whether or not a White nationalist calls themselves that or not, if they are operating under the assumption that non Whites are to blame for the sad state of American culture, they are mistaken. Whatever they do under that assumption is going to be wrong, whether it is conceeding to being overrun, or targetting the wrong people.

    One is wise however, to despise those who despise them.

    I understand why someone would be a White nationalist. I agree with sane measures of cultural preservation for anyone of any ethnicity. It’s just that there’s a big difference between cultural pride and self pity. There is a line, and the vast majority of White nationalists cross it.

    They’re on the same level of mentality as thugs in the ghetto, only less realistic. Why should I respect White thuggery more than Black thuggery?

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  439. Biki – so you’re saying that he “despises” everybody on the planet, because they all want he same thing for themselves as WNs do, but they just don’t call themselves WNs.

    But in reality I don’t think he despises anyone. That would require some degree of emotional depth. And as far as I can tell from his writing, Gorbachev is a very hyper-talkative character whose very emphatic comments are flashy and superficial.

    And I don’t mean that as dispargement. He’s kinda grown on me and he’s fun to read, once I realized that some of the things I disagree with do not come from a place of deep conviction. It’s more like a stream of words that just kinda … come out.

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  440. Nicole, as far as I can tell on this corner of the internet, the “WN’ish” regular commenters and bloggers are quite astute to the fact that there is are powerful elites who are to blame for the sad state of American culture.

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  441. In Response to Gorbachev:

    Thank you for continuing to illuminate the fallacies and dangers of their ideals.

    As far as I’m concerned, this debate ended a while back. The White Nationalists continue to attack our character, writing styles, mannerisms, identity, etc…

    But none of them have been able to logically attack and deconstruct our criticism of their goals in logistics and rationality.

    Even PA has stooped to ad hominem.

    I do believe we’ve found their Achilles Heel.

    In Response to A3P:

    You’ve stated:

    “White nationalists will never have an all white ethno-state, but they may be able to achieve goals such as getting the government off it’s ass to secure the borders, they may be able to eliminate affirmative action, they might realistically win the legal right to discriminate in business and economic affairs, giving them the option of creating white ethnic enclaves and communities. And none of that involves having to shoot, deport or coerce a single soul. Those are realistic political goals available to a which a white nationalist movement might aspire to.”

    Time and time again I’ve stated that I am FOR or at least INDIFFERENT to these goals.

    Many others in this thread and previous threads have admitted to agreeing with these policy changes.

    I read Taki Mag, Fred Reed, Steve Sailer, In Mala Fide, Para Pundit/Future Pundit, etc… And agree with most of their proposed policy changes.

    What I don’t agree with is ANYONE who seeks to alter and infringe upon the overall right of self-determination of U.S. Citizens — Whether they be illegal immigrants, Islamo-Fascists, Communists or White Nationalists.

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  442. It’s just that there’s a big difference between cultural pride and self pity. There is a line, and the vast majority of WNs cross it.

    I guess your ability to perform abstractions pegged quite low by the end of your childhood.

    The same critique you made is simultaneously true of Jon Stewart Persons and black-ams. The former wallow in it. The latter use it when it’s convenient to get stuff from us.

    Seems to be working out fine for both when it comes to getting what they want.

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  443. But none of them have been able to logically attack and deconstruct our criticism of their goals in logistics and rationality.

    Actually, several people – me, Alex, and Svigor – got down the nuts and bolts of it. You just stuffed your fingers in your ears or couldn’t understand what we wrote due to low IQ/abstract reasoning ability, probably the latter.

    Memorizing vocab words does not make you smart, FYI. It won’t even help a guy like you with no ability to understand analogies to perform better on the verbal portion of the SAT, even with the 300 points they spot guys like you.

    You’ve declared victory several times on this thread. Why not just leave rather than engage in a self-congratulatory hugfest with the only other loser around here who agrees with you, namely the childless hedonic expat?

    You’re like the knight at the bridge in Monty Python. It’s not that no one has answered you, it’s that you’re just too stupid to understand. That AA admission and pathetic humanities degree you “earned” practically burn right through my screen.

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  444. What I don’t agree with is ANYONE who seeks to alter and infringe upon the overall right of self-determination of U.S. Citizens — Whether they be illegal immigrants, Islamo-Fascists, Communists or WNs

    Hey Raisin-head,

    Did it dawn on you that illegals aren’t citizens of the US? Did it dawn on you that WNs might want a country of their own that’s NOT EVEN A PART OF THE US?

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  445. A couple years ago my brother, a white man, went to U of Penn to look into going back to school. When the admission officer came out to the waiting room he was in there and two people of a different race (can’t remember exactly what they were). This admission officer made it very clear that she was less interested in my brother than the other two “exotic and therefore more worthy” people in the room without even knowing anything about them. Worked out fine for him since he ended up getting his degree at a much less expensive school. I do believe white people, particularly white men, are being marginalized in their own country.

    I enjoy reading both of PA’s and Gorb’s comments, however I take PA more seriously.

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  446. PA says, “Nicole, as far as I can tell on this corner of the internet, the “WN’ish” regular commenters and bloggers are quite astute to the fact that there is are powerful elites who are to blame for the sad state of American culture.”

    So why do they regurgitate the same old crap when pressed?

    PRCalDude, anytime you want to go toe to toe in an IQ test, I’ll come in hung over without having had my morning coffee, and blow you out of the water.

    Your argument is the equivalent of, “You don’t agree with me, so yer stoopid.”

    Fuck you and your tinkertoy level reasoning ability.

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  447. …and your equally atrocious reading comprehension.

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  448. WTF, Nicole, did you just became an emo girl? No? Well you could have fooled me!

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  449. Morsellaux, there’s just a point when I get sick of their crap. Now you know why I’m in no hurry to get back to the U.S.

    Nobody’s telling them it’s wrong to be White, just to freakin’ think.

    You’d think we were asking them to slash their wrists or something.

    Sad thing about it is that this is a universal human problem that I end up having in any social/political discussion area on the internet.

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  450. I do believe white people, particularly white men, are being marginalized in their own country.

    And you don’t think every black person, every hispanic, etc. has a similar story to tell about someone looking at them and summarily dismissing them because they belong to a certain group?

    I can’t really understand what drives people to compete over the status of victim. Isn’t it enough to say that there is right behavior and there is wrong behavior and I will affirm the former and shun the latter wherever I see it?

    White nationalists will never have an all white ethno-state, but they may be able to achieve goals such as getting the government off it’s ass to secure the borders, they may be able to eliminate affirmative action, they might realistically win the legal right to discriminate in business and economic affairs, giving them the option of creating white ethnic enclaves and communities. And none of that involves having to shoot, deport or coerce a single soul. Those are realistic political goals available to a which a white nationalist movement might aspire to.”

    I would argue that white nationalism or race realism or the various other forms of expression that put a distinct emphasis on race and ethnicity are actually working in opposition to those goals. Most reasonable people, most successful people in this country don’t want to be associated with what they perceive as racism. Most people are instinctively turned off by arguments rooted in “we’re better than them/it’s our country/brown people are stupid evil creatures who can’t be trusted.”

    Movements wherein the dominant mode of expression is anger are almost never successful. They can often attract a large enough crowd to sustain themselves for long periods of time, but never lasting coalitions. People look to politicians and leaders that flatter them, that make them feel good about themselves and make them feel that they are good people. White liberals flocked to Obama because by voting for him they were able to feel like they were doing the right thing. Even though they’re lives are lived in an almost entirely white world, they can feel enlightened cause they voted for the black guy. That sort of fuzzy optimism will almost always win out over bitterness.

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  451. It’s funny how the critics howl about hard “methods”.

    Your very existence is due to the fact that your ancestors applied hard methods to survive and conquer. You wouldn’t even be alive if it weren’t for all that –yikes—hardship and violence in the past. Think about it. Then pray to your ancestors for forgiveness for being such an ingrateful comfort-whore on the backs of THEIR work (NOT YOURS).

    Who are these critics? Dr. Pierce called them out. I frankly don’t give a damn about their feelings or their unoriginal parroted “opinions”, because they reveal their essential nature everyday. They are tied to THIS world, this cesspool…and they do love it. That’s the problem. That’s why they whine about anyone who would speak up and suggest “hey, maybe it would be better if we really changed this world”. They have a vested interest in preserving the status quo, or perhaps they are just so stupid that they think they do. Either way, why do we need these fetters around anymore? They look at those who want a better White world as a fetter. Well, the feelings mutual! Of course, we hate you anti-whites just as much as you have hated us. Of course, we will do to you anti-whites exactly what you did to us, with interest! They picked at us and scratched at us, begging for payback. They made a huge mess, and I don’t give a crap if they don’t happen to like the necessary methods for cleaning up that mess.
    If that sounds like the whole world may be in trouble, you can thank the bastards who made the mess and who whine about those who would seek to clean it up. All of the opposnents had their chance…and what did we get? THIS SHITTY WORLD—their upside-down world, their cesspool paradise. How dare they defend it! How dare they pretend that this is okay, normal, and tolerable! The stink from their mouths when they talk about “democracy”, “liberty”, “equality”, “humanity” blah blah blah is unnerving to those of us who still have a little bit of a natural upward urge inside. They made “progress” a swear word! Then they want to cry about the methods to clean things up…what unbelievable chutzpah is constantly on display.

    If it hurts, if it becomes painful, then the sufferer deserves it. This is Nature trying to let them know that they fucked up big-time, and better change their ways or the game is soon over for them. I am talking about Whitey here also.
    We turned our back on what really mattered, and we reaped our reward. Time for serious change…get on the ship with a different course toward the stars, or stay and enjoy the inevitable consequences of procrastination and inaction. No one promised an easy way, no one said it wouldn’t be tough, and no one said we have figured out all the answer (this is a continual eternal process of striving to survive and climb toward higher forms of life and higher levels of development). But you have a chance with a change of course…you got NOTHING here anymore, at least not in the long run. You can cling to the many evolutionary dead-enders, or you can say “I’m moving on up, folks, get the hell outta my way if you won’t join me”. Which is the alpha attitude? Stop letting the low-lives of humanity “cock-block” our upward urge. We don’t need their goddamn permission to live as we will it.

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  452. You can cling to the many evolutionary dead-enders, or you can say “I’m moving on up, folks, get the hell outta my way if you won’t join me”. Which is the alpha attitude? Stop letting the low-lives of humanity “cock-block” our upward urge. We don’t need their goddamn permission to live as we will it

    nice speech. you should put it on youtube or something.

    start giving that speech in public and we’ll see what kind of up-and-comers you attract, only the very cream of society i’m sure.

    [Editor: An alpha doesn’t load his diapers at the thought of building a fence to keep out ingrates and parasites.]

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  453. I can’t really understand what drives people to compete over the status of victim. Isn’t it enough to say that there is right behavior and there is wrong behavior and I will affirm the former and shun the latter wherever I see it?

    Who cares what you do? Your concern trolling aside, she wasn’t saying that they should compete for the status of victim, she was saying that they have ligitimate grievances. It matters not that other groups have legitimate grievances as well since they also have legitimized identity politics advocates (MALDEF, La Raza, ADL, etc).

    emphasis on race and ethnicity are actually working in opposition to those goals.

    Oh, well then Israel should be a failed state by now!

    Most reasonable people, most successful people in this country

    Have you looked at the income distribution in this country lately? It’s worse than the 1920s by a long shot. You’ll have to forgive the rest of us who dwelleth not in the unapproachable light for ignoring what the Gateses, Friedmans, and their lackies and wannabes (you) tell us to believe or value.

    Most people are instinctively turned off by arguments

    What people are most instinctively turned off by are social pathologies stemming from diversity, to wit gangs, crime, low educational achievement, neighborhood turn-over etc. It makes for bad social cohesion and community solidarity. People like living where there aren’t 50 people crammed into a single family and there aren’t sullen youths glaring at you as you drive by and pressing your kid into their gangs.

    What people say publicly and do in actuality in terms of moving to neighborhoods with “good schools” are two very different things. The reason people do not state publicly what they believe privately is because there are high costs associated with being Watsoned or Summersed or Sanchezed.

    Movements wherein the dominant mode of expression is anger are almost never successful.

    Here you just sound like an affected f_g.

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  454. start giving that speech in public and we’ll see what kind of up-and-comers you attract, only the very cream of society i’m sure.

    This outrage is all fake – crocodile tears. Effeminate. Other races don’t even respect it.

    You’re like the 20-something Holoc_stniks who show up to cry and wail whenever Dr. Finkelstein speaks.

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  455. @PA,

    Not all the WN are teenagers at computers. Some of them are bona-fide. Still retards, but bona-fide.

    And of course people want this shit in their everyday lives, but they don’t work to legislate it because they also want to get along.

    Which is the single most endearing trait Homo Sapiens has.

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  456. @Bictopia,

    I never claimed to be a liberal Leftie. I’m pretty far from White Nationalism, though. But if you mean I have a fondness, say, for the US and my own culture – well, yes, I rather do.

    I like others, too. But liking my own doesn’t mean I dislike others.

    I even like some of those others to be here.

    But I count, for example, blacks who grew up here and are descended from slaves as from my culture. Or a subset of it. Which they are, because Obsidian aside, one thing they’re not, is African.

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  457. @PRCaldude,

    Sure, Israel’s working out so well for the Jews.

    If that’s your marker of success, …

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  458. @A3P,

    I agree with everything you said in that post. You can get some of what you need, if you can’t get it all.

    Practical politics.

    Shutting down the borders would be one major first step. At least selecting immigrants based on criteria of some damned kind would be a good first step.

    And getting rid of AA would be a massive step forward for Blacks, though they may not know it. Whites would figure that out eventually.

    I still think feminists represent the real target.

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  459. @PA

    And I don’t mean that as dispargement. He’s kinda grown on me and he’s fun to read, once I realized that some of the things I disagree with do not come from a place of deep conviction. It’s more like a stream of words that just kinda … come out.

    Glad you know me.

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  460. Svigor says, “Generic whiteness bad. How ’bout generic yellowness, brownness, blackness? Those okay?”

    Nope. None of the generic ethnicities are okay. It’s just that most Black people don’t know where they come from because of the nature of chattel slavery and much more mixing of African races. European Americans should all know where their ancestors were from, to the town.

    So you acknowledge these “generic ethnicities” exist, but you don’t think they’re okay. To my mind this is a lot like acknowledging that lots of people are armed, but you don’t like the fact. How are you going to disarm these groups? How are you going to convince them that being armed is a bad idea?

    “Jews aren’t the most creative, intelligent, and civilized Caucasoids. If they were, Israel would be higher in the rankings of intelligence, creativity, and civilization.”

    The Ashkenazim are. It’s the Moroccans (pale African people) dragging the averages down.

    But I’m not talking about averages. I’m talking about Israel. With that high a proportion of Ashkenazim, Israel should be heaven on Earth. How can you attribute so much power to Ashkenazis to make things wonderful in the USA, then take that power away as soon as we change the subject to Israel? The Ashkenazis have a far lower proportion of the “other” “dragging them down” in Israel, yet…

    It’s so normal to have at least a bachelor’s degree here, there are degreed waiters and gas station attendants.

    And yet, rather than make Aliyah to the Ashkenazi paradise, the smartest, most enterprising Ashkenazi choose to be “dragged down” by the “other” in America. Why?

    “And they aren’t white.”

    Yes the Askhenazim are.

    No, they aren’t. Jews no more get to tell us who we are than we get to tell them who they are. We decide who we are, and we’ve defined Jews out.

    A significant proportion of Ashkenazim are descended from Jews who are Jews by choice, not by ancestry. The rest were in Europe so long that with interbreeding, they are European enough to be legitimately European.

    We don’t define ourselves according to your interpretations of history, religion, culture, or ancestry. We use our definitions.

    If they’re not European, they’re Asian, which still doesn’t put them lower than Europeans in the bell curve.

    We don’t define ourselves according to the bell curve, either.

    “If you are something, you’re that thing when it sucks. But Jews play games with their “whiteness.” They’re white when they think it’ll get them somewhere, and not when they think it’ll take them backwards. See, that’s another gripe I have with critics of white ethnopatriotism; they think they get to define “white” for us. They don’t. We do. And we don’t include Jews in that definition.”

    Sorry, but in all the statistics on intelligence, Askhenazi Jews are counted among Whites.

    We don’t define ourselves according to your statistics, either.

    They are more likely than even other just northern Europeans to have a >140 IQ. 4 in 1000 northern Europeans has over 140. 23 in 1000 Askhenazi Jews has an IQ of more than 140.

    They stomp you in the dust in intelligence.

    We don’t define ourselves according to how IQ statistics, either.

    “You’ll have to explain that “riding the coat tails” thing, no idea what you’re talking about.

    It means that you take the achievements of both high achieving Anglo Saxons and non Anglo Saxons, especially Jews, to mean that you, as an individual, are somehow more valuable just because you have pale skin.

    Nonsense. Your fantasies have nothing to do with us.

    Though I have many role models and there are many people of African descent who are very intelligent and creative, I gauge my value by my abilities and achievements as an individual. I do not think that the world or the government owes me anything just because my skin is brown.

    Bully for you. WTF has this got to do with me?

    I understand that this world is a cruel place in many ways, and that “deserve’s got nothing to do with it” so I’m grateful to have a mind to see through the bullshit, and to have been born in a country where a guy is free to post about problems with the government and the culture.

    I care about your personal journey, why, exactly?

    When I found a guy who understood me and valued me, I got on a plane and came to Israel. I’m glad to have had the right to do that without someone waiting at the border with a rifle to prevent me from going where I was wanted.

    I’m not sure if you understand what a privilege that is, and how close you are to being essentially prevented from doing that by sinister changes to the VAWA.

    We’re back into “WTF is this broad even talking about?” territory.

    On what an in touch with their roots person of African descent sees when he looks at the mangina culture of generic Whites, Svigor dismissively says, “Okay, that’s three “wtf is this broad even talking about?”s for me, I’ve had enough. Next!”

    Stick around, padawan. It will all become clear to you.

    I’m still here, wondering where the explanation is; manna from heaven?

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  461. In Response to Svigor –

    I’m not criticizing white nationalism on moral or philosophical grounds; I’m criticizing white nationalism on logistical and goal-orientation grounds.

    Of course, because it’s only in the externals that you find an argument.

    The right of any interest group to SEPARATE is their own.

    I consider myself a decentralist and will debate [and if necessary, fight] for the right of individual and group self-determination as long as said group’s determined policies don’t interfere with others.

    Then we’re allies.

    I apologize if you’re a WHITE SEPARATIST who wants to escape our failing system with people of like-mind and intent, but the site linked in your screenname [“Majority Rights”] alludes to a desire to deracinate and/or disenfranchise non-whites for social and political gain.

    It does? Funny, I didn’t know there was such a specific site policy. Point me to it?

    Again, I am not going to try to convince you of the ‘wrongness’ of your goals… I will however state why they are detrimental to all, and ultimately doomed.

    Here are some of the progressions that would, hypothetically, have to happen to create an ideal white nationalist state:

    Classic prelude to a discussion of externalities. Not that you’re not being open about it, of course.

    * You would have to organize a white nationalist party or movement without being dismantled by the U.S. Government.

    Translation: we’d need the rights and freedoms of free men, not slaves.

    * You would have to defeat the U.S. Government and U.S. Military.

    We would?

    * You would have to recruit enough of the civilian populace, U.S. Government and U.S. Military to defeat the opposition.

    Assuming we have to defeat the U.S. government and military is true (something I don’t see as proven), that’s true.

    * You would have to unify conflicting interests within your organization. Even William Pierce, Don Black, George Lincoln Rockwell and Billy Roper all had difficulty uniting the various political and social degrees of white nationalist interests.

    As does any group or coalition.

    * Expel all non-white peoples from your new geographical state.

    Not necessarily.

    * Break up all interracial couples and families.

    Not necessarily.

    * “Deal with” the white and non-white opposition.

    Not necessarily – hard to argue with something this vague.

    * Deal with possibly sympathetic but perceivably non-desired groups like homosexuals, Jews, Constitutionalist Patriots, etc.

    Not necessarily – hard to argue with something this vague.

    * Renew and repair the public and private sector infrastructure due to a loss of workers.

    Depends on other not necessarilys, so…not necessarily.

    * Stop [white] scientists, technologists, engineers, mathematicians, computer experts and healthcare workers from leaving your fatally doomed nation.

    Fatally doomed? How’d you slip that one in there? Think I wouldn’t notice?

    Some of these career fields are filled with a non-trivial amount of non-whites and I truly doubt the majority of whites within them would be sympathetic to your cause.

    I deal with the question of “white sympathy” above with my “ceteris paribus” argument. It’s hard to argue that whites wouldn’t be more sympathetic than not given the “ceteris paribus” test.

    Somehow keep the U.S. economy going — Domestically and internationally. It isn’t a matter of accepting or denying Arab oil or Chinese goods — Its a matter of the Middle East and China deciding to pull exportation and dump bonds after you expel their people from your new “Whites-Only State” and ultimately change the face of the world stage forever.

    Lol, money’s money. They won’t hold a grudge against us for treating them the way they treat us.

    People trade with Israel, don’t they?

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  462. This is also the reason I have contempt for White Nationalists.

    There’s no serious way to arrive at the place they want to be without first utterly destroying “white civilization” as they see it. Their goals may or may not be laudable or desirable, on that I won’t speak, they’re certainly interesting and interesting is sometimes its own reward, but–

    Do you have contempt for everyone with “unserious” beliefs? Just curious.

    Just asserting that we’d have to destroy civilization first isn’t really persuasive. An argument would be nice.

    I’d also like to know how and why our enemies were able to take us from, say, 1950s America to where we are now, without destroying civilization, if we can’t get back to (roughly) where we were without destroying civilization.

    They’re inconsistent, not pragmatic, the social mores required to make them work are – at best – difficult to enforce and there’s a profound lack of thought about the consequences, the very real real-life consequences that would shatter their attempts to build a new nation. They’d end up throwing the baby out with the bath water.

    More assertion. Where’s the beef?

    And then you hear other White Nationalists say that the loss of, say, democracy would be no great loss

    This is neither here nor there; that is, one’s opinion on democracy is largely irrelevant to the discussion, and WNism.

    Is Israel a democracy? See, this is where I start to lose patience with cunts like you. I’ve made it pretty clear that we want a “white zion,” an Israel for us, but you just seem to want to pretend you’re arguing with someone else…

    the loss of self-determination would be no great loss, so long as they could rid themselves of non-white people

    More patience-eroding deception from the cunt; does he even read my comments? Self-determination’s central to my arguments.

    and all of this out of their inability to use their imaginations to solve the problems we’re actually beset by. It’s all a profound lack of imagination.

    Which is hilarious, given the STUDIOUS AVOIDANCE OF ANY HINT OF IMAGINATION on the part of our opponents. I see this time and again in these discussions. I hand-hold them to the “ceteris paribus” argument but they just whistle past the graveyard…

    I have no idea what they’d do with the grotesquely massive number of white “race traitors” that would actively and very violently oppose them.

    Oh, please. Leave your fantasies by your keyboard. Whites don’t even fight their own dispossession, but they’re going to “rise up” and kill us for asserting our own rights and sovereignty?

    They assume everyone on “their side” will agree with whatever policy they endorse. There would be so many factions that their movements would rip themselves apart in purges, counter-purges, reactions, counter-reactions, and revolts and revolutions almost daily.

    Yes, here’s the victory of “imagination” for you; factionalism only applies to ethnopatriots. LOL.

    Everything that makes the West a civilization would be thrown out the window by these people. Absolutely nothing that remained would be conducive to rebuilding a civilization.

    Virtually everything would be gone.

    Assertion, assertion, more assertion, a dash of assertion…and, oh look! Assertion!

    Boring! Next!

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  463. I have a comment for Svigor that’s still in moderation.

    Anyways, I have to side with Gorbachev in this one. It would be a lot easier not to think of the ovens firing up when White nationalists propose “solutions” if most of them didn’t require mass executions or a bloody civil war that would lead to it, to accomplish.

    Er, if you could join the two at the hip (ethnopatriots and your lurid fantasies), that would be the start of an argument…

    It’s like they don’t want to hear “strengthen your community”. That would be too hard…and this in itself is the problem of working with presumptuous low IQ caste-ists. Their mentality is on the same level as people of the same IQ in the Congo or hey, Serbia, who start a war without thinking about how they’re going to feed the army and make sure they’re either not estranged from their families, or are provided with sexual outlets in an extremely conservative society where there are not significant numbers of hookers or sluts.

    A simple thing like that can lead to the most brutal chaos you can imagine.

    Assertion, argumentum ad hominem, insult, assertion…

    Boring! Next!

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  464. I am now skipping over Nicole and Gorby’s comments. I just don’t have time for that kind of silliness. If anyone ELSE finds anything they say substantive, please do pluck the pearls from the muck and present them to me, and I’ll do my best to respond. I just don’t have the time, desire, or patience to wade through all that muck.

    Lastly – and no one responded to this before – how can being a paranoid hostile ethnostate be so bad when it seems to be working out so well for the Chosen? It seems to me that we’ve found a real-life example the paranoid ethnostate Gorby/Ruby/Obsidian mention in their straw-man critiques, yet this place seems pretty darn good for the people who live there.

    No, I won’t read that book massa.

    Nope, never saw any Israel comparison, I’m going to go whistlin’ past the graveyard, you can’t stop me, nanananananananana!

    This is the “opposition.” You may think it gets better when Tim Wise shows up, but it doesn’t. And guess what? Tim Wise knows better than to show up, because he’s smart enough to be honest with himself.

    As far as I’m concerned, this debate ended a while back. The White Nationalists continue to attack our character, writing styles, mannerisms, identity, etc…

    Actually, I’m attacking behavior. When someone glosses over arguments to attack straw men, it tells me they’re full of shit. You’re actually doing okay. You seem obtuse, in glossing over arguments until they’re waved under your nose a few times, but eventually you do seem capable of honesty.

    But Nicole and Gorby? None evident so far.

    But none of them have been able to logically attack and deconstruct our criticism of their goals in logistics and rationality.

    You can’t fight straw men and ad homs with logic, you just point them out and move on, as I’ve done.

    Even PA has stooped to ad hominem.

    I do believe we’ve found their Achilles Heel.

    Lol, which would be? Boldly charge hordes of straw men? Concoct whole nations populated by them?

    What I don’t agree with is ANYONE who seeks to alter and infringe upon the overall right of self-determination of U.S. Citizens — Whether they be illegal immigrants, Islamo-Fascists, Communists or White Nationalists.

    Lol, but we have neither self-determination, nor free association NOW. You do understand that, right? That the government interferes in every aspect of life impacting these rights in the name of “anti-discrimination?”

    Americans looove yakking about how they came for the Jews, commies, etc., and they did nothing…

    But when the government comes for the “racists,” the crackers, they cheer it on.

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  465. And you don’t think every black person, every hispanic, etc. has a similar story to tell about someone looking at them and summarily dismissing them because they belong to a certain group?

    Sounds like grounds for a divorce to me.

    I can’t really understand what drives people to compete over the status of victim. Isn’t it enough to say that there is right behavior and there is wrong behavior and I will affirm the former and shun the latter wherever I see it?

    There’s a great game going on. You just can’t see it. You may not be interested in race, but race is interested in you.

    And I already answered this “eternal question” of yours – that grievance justifies aggression, but of course you didn’t like that answer, so you ignored it (the way you ignore everyone who answers you).

    I would argue that white nationalism or race realism or the various other forms of expression that put a distinct emphasis on race and ethnicity are actually working in opposition to those goals. Most reasonable people, most successful people in this country don’t want to be associated with what they perceive as racism. Most people are instinctively turned off by arguments rooted in “we’re better than them/it’s our country/brown people are stupid evil creatures who can’t be trusted.”

    When you make an argument (an appeal to authority, really) that whites don’t like racism, then I respond by asking how TF we’re supposed to know this (any more than we’re supposed to know how many people in the USSR actually loved the Party), then you make the same argument, without addressing my response – how am I supposed to take you seriously?

    Movements wherein the dominant mode of expression is anger are almost never successful.

    Yeah, I’m sure the founders were all about lovin’ the British.

    They can often attract a large enough crowd to sustain themselves for long periods of time, but never lasting coalitions.

    What nonsense. A person’s (or group’s) dominant mode of expression is circumstantial; punch him in the face, and he gets angry. Characterizing him as an “angry guy” is just a dime-store hustle. None of this has anything to do with his INTERESTS. I.e., if you’re trampling all over a group’s pursuit of happiness, they get pissed. If you accomodate their interests, they stop being pissed. Being pissed was their “dominant mode of expression” because you pissed them off; when you stopped pissing them off, suddenly their “dominant mode of expression” became contentment.

    What’s common throughout? Their interests – once they became aware of them, they became determining factors in their mood (“dominant mode of expression”).

    But this is a GREAT criticism; I really like it. I mean, if the best criticism you can come up with is “gosh, you guys need a marketing campaign,” then I guess we’re doing okay.

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  466. Especially Eastern Europeans. Like your war-torn ethnopure states? Feel free to leave; there’s the door, don’t let it slap your ass on the way out.

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  467. :: sigh :: I knew the 1950’s was going to come up sooner or later.

    Things were just so great for White people in the 1950’s and before. Yep, just dandy.

    Idiots.

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  468. Nicole: why do you insist on interpreting things in as hostile a fashion as possible? I was talking demographics and the race-regime. Why act like such a numb cunny?

    ~~~~~~

    Oh, wait, I see, you guys want us to do your thinking for you. Your imagining for you. That’s what you mean when you describe “yeah but there’ll be hell to pay” as “devastating criticism” or whatever. Ohh, okay.

    Well, if you want to know how we’ll do it, might as well start with the model we have on hand, that of Israel. Obviously we’ll have to be smarter about things, since the current regime will oppose us, rather than turn a blind eye, as it did with Israel. That’s okay, there are many ways to skin a cat, if you’ll forgive a bloody metaphor.

    Thing is, given tens of millions of whites seeking an ethnostate, I have to turn the tables and ask you guys how in the hell the regime is going to possibly deny them? What are they going to do, send tens of millions of whites to Siberia? The gas chamber?

    How is the regime going to handle tens of millions of whites who refuse to pay taxes? Marching through DC? Siberia again? Machine guns?

    Of course you’ll sputter that no way are tens of millions of whites going to sign on, well, that’s the whole point of ethnopatriotism – to get them to sign on. You can assert they won’t, fine, but I don’t see how jumping from there to lurid fantasies of violence is the way to take the conversation.

    Personally, I’m fine with letting the race suicide if they refuse to sign on. I’ve made my peace with the fact that whites may prefer dissolution to survival. I’m just not fine with pretending there’s no other moral, sane choice available; with pretending there’s nothing to sign on to.

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  469. For the record, any time I see bictopia mentioning ass slapping, I get somewhat excited.

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  470. Especially Eastern Europeans. Like your war-torn ethnopure states?

    I hope next time they’ll think twice before siding with a pack of revolutionary Jews.

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  471. One can be a nationalist but no need look down at other countries in the same time. Every time you talk to someone from Eastern Europe you clump the countries together, and want to make a point that all people here would be overly nationalistic, and that we are in war all the time.

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  472. I’m honestly glad this discussion is happening, because in between some of that typical internet flaming stuff, I know somebody out there is thinking different…thinking a bit more on their own, questioning the unquestional PC religious doctrines. If that’s all that happens here, I am satisfied. It took me a quite a while to get over the stubborn PC worldview I had clinged to…matter of fact, I had to get sent to Iraq to finally come to a place where I just couldn’t ignore the reality of racial/ethnic conflict and the reality of the consequences of continuing under the current ruling “elites” anymore. Came back “home”, and guess what I noticed? Aw damn, it ain’t “home” anymore, and eventually I found that it really never was “home” for my people during my own lifetime (I was born in the 70s). Fort Bragg is the Home of the Airborne and Special Operations. But, leave post and go into Fayetteville, and you’ll see why Wikipedia describes it as one of the most diverse towns in the nation. You’ll also notice what a shithole it is. Coincidence? Yeah, I used all the typical PC excuses for justifying this and passing the buck away from these “minorities” themselves. The reality is that I just didn’t want to admit the truth, not to myself or anyone else.

    That’s where a lot of the Whites still are…trying hard to deceive themselves, because they don’t want to see things for what they are and that “minorities” aren’t the bunch of blameless angels we’ve been conditioned to pretend. You can even see it here, when posters worry about feeling or expressing “bitterness” more than they worry about the survival of our own kind. To this very day, I actually still have to check myself from making the mistake of cutting too much slack to minorities…so much for living up to the “hater” stereotype. My basic attitude toward non-Whites in the historically White countries is that most of them are being exploited AND used as leverage against Whites. So, what is the solution to this situation which is unjust to us and also unjust to them? It ain’t what the coalitions on the Left or the Right are putting on our plates, that much is certain.

    We have to break out of this prisonhouse called “diversity”. For that matter, so do the non-Whites, if they really want what’s best for their own people and really want the freedom to pursue it. Every one of our peoples needs a divorce from the new religion’s MLK ‘Dream’, and needs to recognize it for what it actually is and why the ones in power use it. Notice I said nothing about the powerful actually subscribing to these tenets of the multicultural/multiracial egalitarian “human brotherhood” in their own lives, because this “get along” “we’re all the same” feel-good pipe-dream garbage is just a useful weapon against the masses and they know it. Take a look at where the truly influential players in our society live (both the ‘elite’ lefties and right-wingers), and notice the utter lack of geniune ‘diversity’ in their own backyards (according to the wacko PC standards they impose on the rest of society). Every notice that the relatively well-off lefties go after the ones who are truly in power and living in these rich enclaves? Oh yeah, because that would mean pointing the finger at their own, calling out the hands that fed them and protect them..what a bunch of phonies! Look at all those “white” lefties demanding unrestricted Third World immigration so their CLASS can exploit the poor brown masses for peanuts and then easily manipulate them to vote for a more Third World way of governing…and these bastards are doing it all while publicly shedding crocodile tears for these “brown people who just want an opportunity” and crying about “hateful bigots”. At least the greedly right-wing ‘elite’ jerks honestly admit that they are just trying to make a little more profit on the backs of the brown ones and to exercise their so-called ‘right’ to diddle around with the most exotic pussies (and often, dicks) which they can find on Planet Earth–theirs’ is a more honest yet contemptuous version of treason, I suppose.
    Lefties apparently couldn’t give a crap about the working people” the claim to love, especially if they are White.
    Rightwingers couldn’t really give a shit about Whitey, so long as they are able to freely exploit and the lower classes are all too busy stupidly singing kumbaya in church to do anything about their plight.

    Just listen to the kind of nonsense the elite’s various political/cultural partisans and public icons try to pimp off on the masses, and ask yourself “do I really think that the powers that be actually believe in that bullshit?” Too easy—just look at how they actually live in their own lives and you’ll see the mountains of hypocrisy and lies from miles away. You’d have to be a sucker not to be insulted that they actually think they can delude us with these messages which they themselves don’t even believe in. Sadly, the world is full of suckers, and Barnum was right about them.
    Letting the suckers actually rule (the sort of real dumbocracy that lefties claim to long for)=very bad idea, and it never really happens that way anyway, because their is always an elite ready and willing to sheer the wool off of those stupid “free” “democratic” sheeple. Control the mass media, control the money, control the government and dominant social institutions, and you’ll own all the suckers…so guess who really calls the shots? This is why when anybody starts arguing that “most people” are for this or that, I smell a rat or at least somebody pretty naive who really hasn’t give much thought to how social influence works. Just how many of these “most people” came to their opinions and feelings on their own, and how many where conditioned/influenced/manipulated to feel or ‘think’ that way by the many professional practitioners of the art of social influence (practitioners serving particular agendas and interests which require a mass compliance)? Read up on social influence sometime, and you’ll not only learn much but also you’ll lose your remaining illusions in “most people” (AKA ‘lemmings’). You’ll see the world around you with new eyes, and notice that damn near everything that ‘most people” do and express is not due to their own original raw inner nature. You’ll even see it often… in yourself. “Freedom” and “democracy” my ass.
    “Most people” don’t realize who they are nor whom they truly serve. Do you?

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  473. on October 9, 2010 at 7:16 am Gunslingergregi

    No shit right alex.

    I know I don’t want to serve the system that crushes men for my whole life.

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  474. Svigor, get the fuck off my homeland and go back to where your people came from, and then we’ll talk about a pure ethnostate.

    Israelis are living on their ancestral homeland. You are living on someone else’s.

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  475. I had to get sent to Iraq to finally come to a place where I just couldn’t ignore the reality of racial/ethnic conflict and the reality of the consequences of continuing under the current ruling “elites” anymore

    Speaking of that, when is j r going to get around to telling us where he served overseas that gives him the moral authority to tell everyone else how to think? If he’s taken so much shrapnel in the ass for Uncle Sam, surely it’d be easy for him to give us a summary of where and how.

    For every j r, I keep running across 10 people like you who’ve been overseas policing some shithole only to come home and have to deal with their country turning into more and more of what they left overseas everyday. Only the officers manage to keep believing the lies.

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  476. Thing is, given tens of millions of whites seeking an ethnostate, I have to turn the tables and ask you guys how in the hell the regime is going to possibly deny them? What are they going to do, send tens of millions of whites to Siberia? The gas chamber?

    Shall we ask the kulaks?

    Ruby’s already got his plans for us. PSA, Ruby, it shouldn’t take you more than an hour to put your AR-15 together if you’ve already got the parts. You can always give that up and go for the AK build though. Kalashnikov designed it so that even a child could put it together.

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  477. on October 9, 2010 at 1:03 pm Throbbing Gristle

    “Israelis are living on their ancestral homeland.”

    wat

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  478. Svigor, get the fuck off my homeland and go back to where your people came from, and then we’ll talk about a pure ethnostate.

    How am I supposed to vacate your homeland when I don’t even know where it is, or who you are? Lol.

    Israelis are living on their ancestral homeland. You are living on someone else’s.

    Lol, this IS my ancestral homeland. My ancestors have been here for over 300 years.

    Who is this “someone else” who supposedly owns this land?

    (Note how from one side of her mouth, this hypocritical bitch claims Jews are fully European and have a right to live anywhere whites do; then, from the other side of her mouth, she claims Jews have a right to Israel because it’s Jews’ ancestral homeland)

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  479. Oh, and let’s not forget, as the Jews carefully documented in their racial diary, they stole the land from the Canaanites. Haha.

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  480. Arbitrarity—

    The difference in socioeconomic status, which is strongly correlated with IQ, keeps the high IQ populations from suffering too much admixture, thus keeps the all-important tails fat at both the left and the right sides of the bell curve. Therefore worries about immigration in the US, while worth airing if only to combat the PC bias of modern politics, are significantly overstated.

    This is a complete non sequitur and is simply retarded. Sure a small trickle of immigration would not be a big deal, particularly if it was only those with high IQs (ok let really beautiful girls in too, heh).

    But the US census bureau in 2008 estimated that the white population of the US will be a minority in 2042, with the Hispanic population almost as large as whites. NAMs (affirmative action in all it multiple forms receiving minorities) will by nearly an absolute majority of the country then (Asians are increasing in relative numbers too), and definitely will be in a few more years. The Hispanics we get these days are rarely the elite and strongly middle class mostly white Hispanics from Latin America (other than Cubans) but heavily Amerindian (Mayan etc.) Mexicans and Central Americans – with real low IQs, clustering near blacks.

    Remember there will still be lots of white liberals, though maybe fewer. You think the NAM majority will vote to end racial preferences for NAMs? You think they won’t raise taxes on above average earning whites and Asians to pay for more and more socialism for NAMs? You think they won’t vote to let in more Hispanics and people of color?

    Now is the time to stop the flooding of the country with mass illegal and far too much “family unification” legal immigration of groups that get affirmative action here since they’re “disadvantaged”. They stay that way our experience with Hispanics in e.g. New Mexico shows, with e.g. high school drop out rates at about twice the white percentage, after 3, 4 and more generations living in the US.

    We shouldn’t be importing more of this. It’s only lefty mass media screaming propaganda about it being “racist, racist, racist” to care about this majority replacement that keeps this idiotic policy from being honestly talked about, and then stopped for it’s idiocy.

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  481. Nicole-

    Israelis are living on their ancestral homeland. You are living on someone else’s.

    Tough shit. We conquered the place through numerous Amerindian wars. Though by far most of them died off from Eurasian diseases they had not immunity to. The business largely introduced by America in the founding of the UN post WWII of not being any longer legally or morally able to keep conquered territory in most cases hadn’t set in yet. (Note that’s about only ever enforced post WWII if the US leads a coalition to enforce it.)

    The Jews conquered Israel and Judea from the Caananites (Phoenicians or related). Virtually every bit of land in the world, except some of the most marginal places or remote islands, were conquered from someone else.

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  482. It’s worth remembering that our ancestors bought a hell of a lot of territory from the Indians, too. And that many tribes allied with us against other tribes.

    And that many Indians fought them tooth and nail, providing an excellent example for white Americans today.

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  483. svigor

    nicole is a black woman oddly living in israel not a jew

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  484. Hey whiskey, If you’re still reading, you may want to ease up on the “dark ages”:

    “We find that heights stagnated in Central, Western and Southern Europe during the Roman imperial period, while astonishingly increasing in the fifth and sixth centuries.”

    “Based on a modest sample of skeletons from northern Europe, average heights fell from 173.4 centimeters in the early Middle Ages to a low of roughly 167 centimeters during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. [. . .] It is plausible to link the decline in average height to climate deterioration; growing inequality; urbanization and the expansion of trade and commerce, which facilitated the spread of diseases; fluctuations in population size that impinged on nutritional status; the global spread of diseases associated with European expansion and colonization; and conflicts or wars over state building or religion.”

    http://racehist.blogspot.com/2010/09/charlemagne-was-very-tall-but-not.html

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  485. It should be self evident that we shouldn’t allow the mass immigration, illegal or legal either, of people from groups our liberal and PC elites then give affirmative action in all it’s many forms to, because they’re “disadvantaged” and “under represented” at elite levels of our society on the basis of their performance alone.

    That’s the answer to “racist, racist, racist”. It’s the PC elites that decides which races or ethnicities get affirmative action, not those who are opposed to effectively open borders to the south.

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  486. There is nothing inevitable about America’s having a heavily Amerindian Hispanic majority by 2050. It’s all a matter of political will. The country greatly clamped down on immigration in 1924. That was when the middle class started quickly growing and growing in prosperity.

    We should begin by mass deporting illegal Hispanics, anchor babies along with their parents, if they’re minors.

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  487. Nicole, David Yeagley, a Comanche blogger, puts the whole whose land this is, succintly as: “The white men were better warriors”.

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  488. svigor

    nicole is a black woman oddly living in israel not a jew

    Yeah Dana I gathered she isn’t a Jew, just found it odd she’s talking about her “homeland” when AFAIK she hasn’t made her “pedigree” clear. Like I’m psychic or something, heh.

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  489. on October 9, 2010 at 10:16 pm Gunslingergregi

    Well I am just glad we got some smart white boys who can do the word dance.

    Just remember to back up the words with you know taking care of yourself too you deserve it.

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  490. I am partly Native American (Catawba), and “better” warriors or not, you are neither the native population, nor do you have any divine right.

    You’re a squatter squabbling with other squatters about who’s more entitled to be there.

    If you were so invested in purity, you’d have stayed in England and wherever else others who sold their souls for generic Whiteness came from. You don’t give a shit about pure. You just want someone to tell you the bold faced lie that you deserve any more than what you have.

    You shit where you eat, and then cry about the taste.

    What’s funny about this entire conversation is that you say that you’re in the shit you’re in for that very reason, and because there’s a scratch on your brains that prevents you from seeing the long term consequences of letting your exploitive nature run amok, and then when others agree with you, we’re wrong when we’re just basically saying the same thing you are.

    Part of that scratch is also that you’re so incapable of seeing others as fully human.

    You say 2+2=4 and someone non White says, yes, 2+2=4 and then you jump all over their ass for it.

    It’s like trying to talk to a 2 year old who keeps sticking things in an electrical socket and getting shocked. It hurts you, and you cry because it’s hurting you, but someone who says maybe you should stop sticking things into the socket is wrong.

    This is why I get pissed off.

    I have more respect for FLDS people than I have for the hypocrites crying about how horrible modern life is between happily gobbled bites of feminist shit.

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  491. Notice, Svigor says nothing about whether or not men in his brave, new America will have the right to marry out if it ends up being like Israel, where the men feel trapped with their overly entitled women.

    If the White nationalists win, you can bet the price of White pussy is going to be sky high.

    You going to be man enough, Svigor, to also take away women’s right to vote, while you’re rounding up Native Americans to kick them out of their own country?

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  492. @Nicole

    If the White nationalists win, you can bet the price of White pussy is going to be sky high.

    This is why I (not so) quietly ignore the calls from white women to Honor the Race and date White. They can stuff it. No benefit of any kind in it for white guys.

    White pussy is overpriced, fussier, entitled and filled to bursting with Princess juice.
    They screw over men as fast as they fuck them and they’re quickly ruining what’s left of our society. They’ve institutionalized marital financial rape, false-accusation sodomy and parental visiting murder, and they complain when men want nothing to do with them.

    They want the benefits of being useless children without the limitations that befall second-class (female) citizens, and they want the benefits of being Feminists without the responsibilities involved in actually creating society on a daily basis.

    Well, … when white women remember how to actually be female, maybe I’ll consider breeding with one. I know lots of great guys with the same opinion.

    Don’t like it when the white guys go off and miscegenate?

    Seriously, file all complaints of every kind with your Sisters and leave the men alone. We’re too busy checking out actual women who make themselves available and show some interest in actual males.

    White Nationalists are going to up the price of white pussy so high the only men mating with them will be tiny, thin-voiced reedy dudes spouting absurd philosophy while being cuckolded by the 3 lone remaining big burly Real men remaining in America.

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  493. on October 10, 2010 at 12:56 am Gunslingergregi

    If white nationalists win it will be an all white world.

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  494. on October 10, 2010 at 1:15 am Gunslingergregi

    Actually whites already been in position to do that.

    So really not all that much to worry about from the white side anyway.

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  495. Nicole,

    First off, sweep that spittle off your face.

    I am partly Native American (Catawba), and “better” warriors or not, you are neither the native population, nor do you have any divine right.

    Where did I say something about anyone’s divine right? But regarding the “native population”…

    1. Quite a few people were born here. Some have roots here for several generation. That is what I call “native”. They were part of this country. For a comparison, in Israel, there are people born and living there as 4th generation. Any notion that they are some sort of squatters is in my opinion invalid. Their grand-grandparents were better warriors.

    [I am an immigrant, so I could be considered a squatter, but since I am here legally, I am not one. The illegal immigrants are squatters in full meaning of it]

    2. About 13kya, Amerindian tribes started crossing the Bering bridge and poured into Americas. They encountered indigenous population (that was truly “The First People”, which got here about 40ky earlier). The invaders hunted them down whenever they encountered them, pushing them down through millennia, until a couple of centuries ago, only a small group of them remained (and they were not the original ones, just mixed breed) and by the beginning of the previous century only two representatives of the indigenous line remained and with them the whole group of people went extinct. Amerindians were better warriors.

    3. When the white men arrived by the end of 15th century (not counting Viking explorations and before them Phoenician ones), the Amerindians were happily cracking skulls of their non-tribal neighbors with a reckless abandon. The Aztec Empire was defeated for the same reason–because their thirst for human sacrifice alienated the surrounding tribes to such a degree that they joined with Spaniards to vanquish the vampires and butchered the Aztecs with a glee and a conspicuous lack of mercy.

    You’re a squatter squabbling with other squatters about who’s more entitled to be there.

    No. I am not. If someone here has a right of association, so do I. If there is any sort of “pride” exercised by any group of people, then there is no reason why another group of people can’t exercise it. I am not particularly fixated on a skin color, but I do not take kindly attacks on my culture (western culture), whoever the attacker may be.

    If you were so invested in purity, you’d have stayed in England and wherever else others who sold their souls for generic Whiteness came from. You don’t give a shit about pure. You just want someone to tell you the bold faced lie that you deserve any more than what you have.

    My culture is mostly represented by white people. Anyone that wants to adopt my culture is welcome. I work hard for what I have and naturally want to keep it. I am against any kind of entitlement, whoever that may be, and I am the last one that would demand any entitlement.

    You shit where you eat, and then cry about the taste.

    I don’t. If by the shit you mean socialism and feminism, it was not my doing. Since I came here, I always fought against both, even if it was mostly in my personal space.

    What’s funny about this entire conversation is that you say that you’re in the shit you’re in for that very reason, and because there’s a scratch on your brains that prevents you from seeing the long term consequences of letting your exploitive nature run amok, and then when others agree with you, we’re wrong when we’re just basically saying the same thing you are.

    Exploitive nature? Are you a closet marxist?

    Part of that scratch is also that you’re so incapable of seeing others as fully human.

    Nowhere I entertain the notion that other people are not fully human. However, I do claim that humans are different, along ethnic, racial, cultural, and last but not the least, sexual lines. There is an unfortunate fact that without women, there won’t be any humans. I am acknowledging that fact, though my ideas about the role of women differ substantially from the current paradigm. As people form other groups, wanting their self-determination, so want I, my culture has a right to exercise the self-determination as well. If there is no other way that these can be reconciled, then so be it, and if that could be achieved by being better warriors, well, sometimes that is necessary for a survival.

    [Well, you’re going on and on like an energizer bunny, snippety snip]

    I have more respect for FLDS people than I have for the hypocrites crying about how horrible modern life is between happily gobbled bites of feminist shit.

    Ugh… I think you really confused me with someone.

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  496. Guns, if Europeans could take over the world, they’d have done it already. They can’t, and end up getting kicked out of damned near every place they invaded except the Americas. Europeans can’t even seem to hold onto dirt poor African nations where over half the population can’t even read.

    Remember, European includes a significant proportion of those called “Hispanic”. Northern Mexicans are either fully or partially Spanish, and what of them isn’t Spanish is Native American. So if they overrun the more northern Europeans of the U.S. it’s just non sell-outs who retained their European identity and Native Americans taking territory from Anglos and sellouts who’ve even forgotten how to fuck.

    You have nobody to blame for what’s happening but yourselves.

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  497. @nicole et al

    my favorite thing is the surprisingly large number of guys who are spitting both of the following doctrines at once
    1) white nationalism
    AND
    2) “asian woman (sic) are the cure for white woman (sic)”

    … with a straight face, without realizing taht they are completely mutually exclusive
    mwaaahahaha funny stuff no?

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  498. Doug

    Yeah we should stop allowing our elites, lead most shrilly and insistently by Jews (whether they’re on the left, right or center) on the de defacto almost zero immigration restrictions issue, to effectively replace the European white majority of this country with heavily Amerindian Mexican and Central American peasants.

    Tard.

    moron … moron … moron

    Tough shit

    go tough guy go! get ’em! aguante matador!

    and, while you’re at it … you should also encourage your ostensibly upper-class high-iq rich fraction of that “european white majority” to … um, i don’t know … have more than zero children
    i’m just saying.

    hint:
    history is made by those who
    (1) get off their asses and affect the political process
    (2) have kids who will continue to make said history

    fail.

    exhibit a:
    big internet tough guy, with nothing to lose (no family, no wife, no kids, no slim paycheck) and tons of free time, has done ______ to influence this arm of the political process
    fill in the blank!

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  499. also, one more thing, to which you ought to listen if you’ve two brain cells to rub together:

    this site is moving with a quickness from a game blog into a hotbed of white nationalist circlejerking.
    why is this bad?
    let’s see
    well … this is (more like “was” at this point) one of the few sites on which there was a legitimate bunch of fairly rational posters who could discuss the equally legitimate points of men’s rights — the unfairness of divorce and support laws, the heinous false rape accusations, and the like.

    now, here’s the thing: from what i understand, these are not popular topics in the current political climate of the united states.
    sooooo if you would like to moot such topics for public discussion, you ought to avoid other ways to gratuitously piss off the mainstream opinion, you got me?

    and yet you people are, perhaps inadvertently, starting to hitch the wagon of men’s rights (a legitimate cause) to that of white nationalism (a bad joke on a good day … sorry, but public policy and legislation are not made in biker bars)
    this means that you people are either
    one, the stupidest bunch of “smart” people who have ever walked the face of the earth, too stupid to realize that poisoning the well of public opinion is … a bad idea
    or
    two, a bunch of big talkers who don’t plan on taking any action anyway and so who don’t really care what unsavory side projects are tacked onto their cause

    which one is it? one or two?

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  500. von Paulus was also ordered to go into Stalingrad by Hitler rather than bypass it as von Paulus and every general had advised.

    As far as logistics go, logistics are still run by men. Planning lasts until the first contact with the enemy. The enemy likes to attack long, drawn out supply lines. Those guys got killed too. They had to be brave, smart and adaptable in order to succeed. The North sea is cold. You have a five minute life expectancy in the North Sea if overboard.

    Only advanced nations have the ability to even create an sophisticated strategic logistical capability. Right now, we’re the only nation in the world with a true world wide reach. No one else makes the investment. Most aren’t intellectually advanced enough to create the logistical capability needed. Sub Saharan Africa has never achieved it. Only Asians and Europeans have ever achieved it in modern times.

    Most of the Asians with that capability were Turkomen, who lived in the saddle. I will be waiting a long time to hear what planners and thinkers vs tough as nails individual soldiers the Mongols were. They wre in actuality both. But planning would never have struck terror in the hearts of their opponents. All these Turkomen tribes were tough as nails. That’s why they conquered large swaths of territory. However, most of them were incapable of administering a complex civil and economical infrastructure. You needed Europeans and Chinese for that.

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  501. manyacapo, I have an impression that you consider men’s rights removed from politics.

    I’ll be as concise and blunt as possible.

    But that is not the case. You can’t, because the lack of men’s rights are actually a result of a political decisions. These are made by leftists and are not opposed by people that form elites, nor by apolitical people because of the lack of understanding of the issues related to men’s rights. Feminism is a form of leftism. Currently the leftism is represented by Democratic party. Yes, there are Democrats, mostly traditional ones, that are not on the left, considering themselves centrists, but that is a small minority, the whole leadership is leftist. How we know they are on the left? They are statists. So are some RINOs, to their eternal shame.

    Feminists say we want this and the Democrats jump jawohl. We can see the results today. Democratic party is, de facto, an anti-men party. Enemy of men. Whoever votes for Democrats is an enemy of men, and I don’t care whether unwittingly. The result counts. A substantial portion of ethnic minorities vote Democrats. They are enemies of men. I don’t care whether unwittingly. The results count.

    In order to gain or retain power, the Democrats import more enemies of men–people that do not have a capacity to discern what are the political elites doing, blinded by the meager lucre of entitlements that they get for their vote.

    That is what men, white men, see. They see minorities becoming their enemies. They may have some misguided ideas how to rectify the situation, but the direction of their anger is understandable.

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  502. Addendum. If any of you do vote for Democrats, shut up. You are then a part of the problem and an enabler. It is really that simple.

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  503. Morsellaux, it’s understandable when someone in pain or fight-or-flight behaves irrationally, but it still doesn’t make their behavior rational.

    This goes for both the blocs some call “minorities” voting democrat because they’re irrationally afraid of the ovens (or in the case of women, the oven at home, heheheh…), and European Americans and religious people voting republican because they’re irrationally afraid of oblivion or the antichrist.

    You are correct though, that men’s rights go together with game, as does everyone’s respective ethnic identity validation. Men need more of being okay with being who they are, and less of being shamed for being who they are, whether as men they prefer women of their own ethnicity or others.

    Without that shame, it would be much easier for men to get along across ethnicities. Though I don’t want to see single women getting disenfranchised, partly because in the west, though courting started much younger, the average age of marriage was still in the early 20’s, I think it’s very telling that Black men got the right to vote before women.

    Apparently, at some point, the majority of American voters, who were all male at the time, recognized that a man was a man was a man. I also noticed that feminists of the time were happy to use that as a stick against men, to say that it was an insult to White women that Black men could vote and they couldn’t.

    One should be very, very careful to follow the money and the power chain when deciding which ideologies to adhere to. In whose interest is it that you believe something? Who gains the most from it? Those should be the questions.

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  504. Nicole,
    I think Europeans gave up on colonialism because it’s a lot of work to rule over other people, especially hostile ones, and is not sustainable. It is not a good long term strategy.

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  505. @Laura,

    I agree – the downfall of most colonial empires is, well, the colonies.

    Rome very quickly became un-Roman in a real sense. Slavery is bad for the same reasons.

    Greed usually trumps common sense all the time.

    But wholesale extermination and replacement of populations is often a good bet – if it can be done at minimal cost, and without terrible repercussions on your own society (ie, becoming monsters).

    The depopulating and repopulating of North America was a good example of this. Shitty for the locals, though.

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  506. on October 10, 2010 at 12:14 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””’Nicole
    Guns, if Europeans could take over the world, they’d have done it already. They can’t, and end up getting kicked out of damned near every place they invaded except the Americas. Europeans can’t even seem to hold onto dirt poor African nations where over half the population can’t even read.”””’

    In a position to completely eliminate the other populations of people and haven’t done it.

    Got kicked out of nowhere just left.

    Don’t think we could have wiped out all the somali’s.

    Don’t kid yourself.

    It is only because we have been nice. Otherwise with total war we don’t need people on the land we just need the land and resources.

    Don’t need slaves anymore just need land.

    ””””mwaaahahaha funny stuff no?”””

    Still figuring out who to back. he he he

    Should I let my family back home die off because asian woman own.

    I am thinking yes.

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  507. Gorb,
    Right. Slavery was never going to last either for the same reasons. The countries that had empires seem to be the ones struggling the most with their national identities. Some of these smaller, more contained countries are starting to look like pretty nice places to live in comparison.

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  508. on October 10, 2010 at 12:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    Clinton prob sold us to china after he got some chinese pussy.

    Look at hillary or lewinsky.

    Yea he was like fuck it.

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  509. Guns,
    We can always count on you to keep the conversation from getting too intellectual.

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  510. on October 10, 2010 at 12:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    The thing there is the way things are.

    The way you wish they would be.

    The things you can change.

    The things you can’t.

    .I can’t get rid of all the niggers so I moved.

    I can’t marry an american chick and risk my future freedom so I didn’t.

    I don’t care if I die so I do crazy shit all the fucking time and just don’t give a fuck.

    Because my country sucks.

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  511. @Laura,

    Yes- the moment you start looking to add real estate, you start to water down whatever identity you have.

    The problem I have with white supremacists is that white people entirely engineered the US, including swiping it from its actual inhabitants. Now that we don’t like it we want to rewrite everything it is to be American, to live here or even rewrite American history to suit ourselves.

    The UK’s big mistake was allowing Imperial feelings to open the floodgates. Ours was not stopping at having our limited diversity (8-13% slave descendants, 4-8% Hispanic descendants, etc.) and then opening up the doors. Apparently, even Jews are a dodgy call, so we get complaints now. Well — we wrote the script and we directed it and we get to watch the movie now. We could have barred Jews – we didn’t, and now they’re as American as apple pie.

    What we COULD do is get over ourselves and shut the borders now. The best thing the US could do is stop playing Empires.

    Just imagine if we’d made the Philippines or Cuba a state. There was some debate that we could do this. The Philippinos would have loved it.

    I say it’s time to pause, consolidate where we are and take stock. It’s not yet time to start throwing up the barricades and partitioning it all.

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  512. on October 10, 2010 at 1:02 pm Gunslingergregi

    I thought your fear was not being smart enough he he he

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  513. on October 10, 2010 at 1:20 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””’Overcoming the prejudice against death, then, is only an
    extension and continuation of the Western project of
    eliminating bias, especially biologically based biases (i.e.
    race or sex based biases). The liberation of death is only the
    next step in the political logic that has hitherto sought to
    overcome prejudices based on old assumptions of a fixed
    biological human nature. Its opposite is an Aristotelian,
    teleological conception of nature; a nature of natural slaves,
    natural aristocracy, natural patriarchy, natural inferiority of
    women, natural racial kinds, natural heterosexuality and,
    finally, natural self-preservation. This older, teleological
    view suggests that individual self-preservation is an
    expression of a fixed biologically based nature that culture
    AN EXPERIMENT IN NIHILISM
    25
    and/or reason is incapable of changing, altering, or
    overcoming.
    Just as it was considered unnatural or even insane that
    men be loosed from “natural” subordination to their king, or
    that women be unchained from “natural” subordination to
    their fathers and husbands, today it is considered unnatural
    that death be liberated from its “natural” subordination to
    the tyranny of life. From this point of view, one can
    recognize that the pro-choice stance on abortion and the
    right to die stance on euthanasia have already opened paths
    over conventional pro-life superstitions. These
    developments towards the liberation of biological death may
    lead to what may be the highest fulfillment of egalitarian
    progress: the equality of life and death. Further liberations of
    death should challenge one’s convictions in the same way
    that egalitarianisms of the past have challenged common
    assumptions and convictions: the equality of all men, the
    equality of the races, the equality of the sexes, the equality of
    sexual orientations, the equality of the biological and
    physical, and the equality of life and death.
    Overcoming the “will to live”, then, represents one of the
    final steps in overcoming the provincial and “primitive” life
    instincts probably inherited from our evolutionary past, i.e.
    inclinations towards patriarchy, authoritarianism, sexism,
    kinism, and racism.””””””””

    From the jew who killed himself I had this shit figured out already without reading all the books or knowing the philosophical revelations of why. It just made sense.

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  514. its beyond ludicrous and intellectually dishonest to simply mischaracterize the conquest of one people by a more technologically advanced people as “swiping” their land. its called the whole fuckin history of the human species

    did the cro magnon “swipe” the neanderthals land?

    not to use a shaming word, but it really is essentially a childish way to frame history

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  515. Nicole strikes a devastating blow to Strawman!

    Strawman recovers and renews his attack, only to be suplexed by Nicole!

    Then Nicole puts Strawman in a headlock and pummels his face!

    Etc.

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  516. Nicole,
    How do you know you have Native American blood? If you are a descendent of slaves you are probably mostly West African. My own ancestry isn’t all the exciting either, so don’t feel bad.

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  517. Nicole–

    rounding up Native Americans to kick them out of their own country?

    It’s not their country. Euro-Americans conquered it from them. They lost. Welcome to human history.

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  518. White nationalist ideas of having a separate white’s only country within the current US are stupid, totally non feasible, and alienate the vast majority of whites, not to mention other Americans. It should be dropped.

    Ending the current trajectory of population replacement, and certainly replacing whites from large majority status, is however feasible and DOES have majority support. Mass immigration needs to end; we should only allow relatively small amounts of high IQ, high skills immigration.

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  519. Nicole, my reply to your first reply to me is still stuck in moderation, so I’ll try again.

    I am partly Native American (Catawba), and “better” warriors or not, you are neither the native population, nor do you have any divine right.

    My daughter is 1/16 Cherokee. So what? What diff does it make? None. She is a native American, as she has been born in the US.

    Where did I say something about anyone’s divine right? But regarding the “native population”…

    1. Quite a few people were born here. Some have roots here for several generation. That is what I call “native”. They were part of this country. For a comparison, in Israel, there are people born and living there as 4th generation. Any notion that they are some sort of squatters is in my opinion invalid. Their grand-grandparents were better warriors.

    I am an immigrant, so I could be considered a squatter, but since I am here legally, I am not one. The illegal immigrants are squatters in full meaning of it.

    2. About 13kya, Amerindian tribes started crossing the Bering bridge and poured into Americas. They encountered indigenous population (that was truly “The First People”, which got here about 40ky earlier). The invaders hunted them down whenever they encountered them, pushing them down through thousands of years, until a couple of centuries ago, only a small group of them remained (and they were not the original ones, just mixed breed) and by the beginning of the previous century only two representatives of the indigenous line remained and with them the whole group of people went extinct. Amerindians were better warriors.

    3. When the white men arrived by the end of 15th century (not counting Viking explorations and before them Phoenician ones), the Amerindians were happily cracking skulls of their non-tribal neighbors with a reckless abandon. The Aztec Empire was defeated for the same reason–because their thirst for human sacrifice alienated the surrounding tribes to such a degree that they joined with Spaniards to vanquish the vampires and butchered the Aztecs with a glee and a conspicuous lack of mercy.

    You’re a squatter squabbling with other squatters about who’s more entitled to be there.

    No. I am not. If someone here has a right of association, so do I. If there is any sort of “pride” exercised by any group of people, then there is no reason why another group of people can’t exercise it. I am not particularly fixated on a skin color, but I do not take kindly attacks on my culture (western culture), whoever the attacker may be.

    If you were so invested in purity, you’d have stayed in England and wherever else others who sold their souls for generic Whiteness came from. You don’t give a shit about pure. You just want someone to tell you the bold faced lie that you deserve any more than what you have.

    My culture is mostly represented by white people. Anyone that wants to adopt my culture is welcome. I work hard for what I have and naturally want to keep it. I am against any kind of entitlement, whoever that may be, and I am the last one that would demand any entitlement.

    You shit where you eat, and then cry about the taste.

    I don’t. If by the shit you mean socialism and feminism, it was not my doing. Since I came here, I always fought against both, even if it was mostly in my personal space.

    What’s funny about this entire conversation is that you say that you’re in the shit you’re in for that very reason, and because there’s a scratch on your brains that prevents you from seeing the long term consequences of letting your exploitive nature run amok, and then when others agree with you, we’re wrong when we’re just basically saying the same thing you are.

    Exploitive nature? Are you a closet marxist?

    Part of that scratch is also that you’re so incapable of seeing others as fully human.

    Nowhere I entertain the notion that other people are not fully human. However, I do claim that humans are different, along ethnic, racial, cultural, and last but not the least, sexual lines. There is an unfortunate fact that without women, there won’t be any humans. I am acknowledging that fact, though my ideas about the role of women differ substantially from the current paradigm. As people form other groups, wanting their self-determination, so want I, my culture has a right to exercise the self-determination as well. If there is no other way that these can be reconciled, then so be it, and if that could be achieved by being better warriors, well, sometimes that is necessary for a survival.

    …Well, you’re going on and on like an energizer bunny, snippity snip…

    I have more respect for FLDS people than I have for the hypocrites crying about how horrible modern life is between happily gobbled bites of feminist shit.

    Ugh… I think you really confused me with someone.

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  520. Gun, the tome AN EXPERIMENT IN NIHILISM is an exercise in rationalization of self-hate. He equated cultural and biological prerogatives as if they were on the same level. An “intellectual” sleight of hand resulting in a self-deception. It is often fascinating how people form seemingly logical conclusions, unaware that they use faux premises as the input. In computerese, it is called GIGO. Garbage in, garbage out.

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  521. dana

    did the cro magnon “swipe” the neanderthals land?

    Swiping the “swipe” aside, the jury is out on that one. One thing is certain, the cromagnon did go extinct a mere blip on the scale of time after the neanderthal. Both cromagnon and neanderthal shared a larger cranial cavity, about 250 ccm above holocene (last 12ky) human average, and that may have been the main factor why only the smaller cranium humans survived.

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  522. @Doug1
    White nationalist ideas of having a separate white’s only country within the current US are stupid, totally non feasible, and alienate the vast majority of whites, not to mention other Americans. It should be dropped.

    Ending the current trajectory of population replacement, and certainly replacing whites from large majority status, is however feasible and DOES have majority support. Mass immigration needs to end; we should only allow relatively small amounts of high IQ, high skills immigration.

    Doug1,

    We’re in complete agreement. I’m writing this down in my diary.

    I wholeheartedly endorse this position. In fact, I think you stole it from me, you bastard.

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  523. Gorby & Doug1, when push comes to shove, it may be rather a very temporary position. It’s nice to have one such as it does not cost you anything when things are not that bad.

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  524. on October 11, 2010 at 3:50 am Cannon's Canon

    I’m writing this down in my diary.

    HA-ha! fag

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  525. Cannon’s Canon, he does not have any diary. It’s a turn of a phrase. Meaning is – “what a memorable day!”

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  526. on October 11, 2010 at 5:09 am Cannon's Canon

    yeah? if so, i need to strike down that little colloquialism in the name of proud masculinity. i still refuse pink dress shirts. the fuck if i start referencing My Secret Diary.

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  527. Laura, I’m not one of those Black Americans who is desperate to be anything else. Look at my photos. Besides, the Native American line is one of the ones we have actual records for that date back to when they first started making people get birth certificates and social security numbers to work. We are not incredibly soft haired, remarkably light skinned pure Togolese or something.

    The one slave we could find in our family was my grandfather’s grandmother, and she was freed before she married. We didn’t find any White people. It’s hard to even know how much of who was Catawba because some of them chose to be Black before the tribe was recognized.

    Morsellaux, when I’m talking about you as in generic White Americans, I don’t necessarily mean you personally. So don’t take it personally when I’m talking about trends in thought or general patterns, especially with regards to the worship of wealth and/or the wealthy.

    I’m not a Marxist, but I do believe in a tribal sort of communalism, which is made much easier with shared ethnicity, which is why I have no beef at all with White separatists. It’s just that there are holes in many if not most of their education and disturbing patterns that have gotten them into trouble in the past, and will be trouble for them in the future if they don’t compensate for them.

    I’ve used the style of education in Black schools as an example though not specifically in this context. If you know that your race (be it real or munged) has a particular weakness or anti civilization tendency, you can and should compensate for this. One big problem with many people of African descent is apparently middling to low IQ’s but social dominance on the level that could become pathological without strong authority figures. So we know that we have to whoop our kids’ ass, and that their teachers have to be trustworthy and butched enough to carry that through or at least call us so we can administer it.

    …but it’s a crime to whoop your kid’s ass now, because of one of the huge problems in the generic White psyche, which is the wrong kind of color blindness. Either others are completely alien, or they are “just like us”. There doesn’t seem to be much room for any middle ground, so the needs of other ethnicities are ignored or assumed to be the same as for Anglos.

    Race realism has to include realism about one’s own race.

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  528. Not sure why are you so defensive, Cannon’s Canon. BTW, manipulating expressions to acquire another meaning ad hoc (like conversion of my diary into My Secret Diary) is a typical femalian tactic. Wearing pink shirt notwithstanding.

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  529. I liked some of Nicole’s last post. You know what I see in it?
    A Black person who needs to be playing a leadership role in her own community. She nailed it on the head about the fact that different peoples need different ways to unleash their best potential and keep them from playing out their own greatest weaknesses. Black people have this challenge to confront if they want a better life, and White people in our own way also have a challenge of this kind. What works for them won’t work for us, and vice versa.

    That’s why I have admired truely separatist/nationalist non-White leaders, and never really like those corrupt MLK/Jesse/Al/NAACP integrationist pukes. The Black nationalist can talk shit about “blue eyed devils’ all he wants to and I really don’t care, so long as he is talking about serious separation measures for his own people. Believe me, I want those types to succeed and thus draw their peoples away from my own AND the current System. If they can pull it off, how could I not genuinely respect them, and how could I not support them against the System that demands that they stay put and conform with the Multicult program?

    Non-Whites as well as Whites need to get “offended” by the BS suggestion that “we are all the same”…the people who say that shit are using YOU; buyer beware. If you are a non-White, you should know it is a genuine expression of respect when a White person reveals that he doesn’t play along with the “we are all the same” color-blind baloney and that both Nature and nurture has made us distinct. That is one of the most honest Whiteys you will ever meet…showing a sign that he or she is not looking to take your ‘constituency’ for a ride. The ones that you have to look out for are the “we are all the same” crowd and these ridiculously patronizing pale-faced non-White worshippers—they are looking to play a game with you. When you see those trendy White liberals coming to you, trying to establish a cred for having “lots of diverse friends” and “doing so much for diverse communities”, non-Whites need to take it as a sign to run fast in the other direction like a Kenyan in an Olympic track event.

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  530. on October 15, 2010 at 12:30 am You Know I'm Right

    “She uses mind-control. How she does it is a mystery; she probably employs a chemical, for ant nervous systems-are generally highly attuned to them.”

    One word: HUMIDITY

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  531. on October 15, 2010 at 12:35 am You Know I'm Right

    Blacks cannot work in many American cities anymore because so many of them lack humidity in the daytime. Blacks cannot function without humidity, and neither can Mexicans, or Asians, or other flat-nosed people who evolved in humid forested climates.

    So if the Black or Hispanic you hired in your arid city or suburb isn’t working too hard you should note that the humidity levels outside are at desert levels and as such flat-nosed people cannot physiologically function very well.

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  532. Anyone realize the sick irony of insisting (on their expensive computers, while well-fed and housed) that our society is going to shit, and can only be ‘saved’ through ‘civil war’ or massacre of the ‘others’?

    Anyone who actually looks at history will see that the worst mass-murders, genocides, and wars have been the result of this type of thinking – we once had utopia, and can only resurrect it through destroying the existing order. This is/was the rationale for communism, jihad, naziism, etc. – it leads to death and misery.
    Be clear that by advocating this you are advocating nihilism and murder – the disgustingly dark side of the ‘alpha’, whose twisted ego is unable to recognize its counterpart reflected in those groups he hates.

    Instead you blame brown and black people, feminists, betas, non-christians, et. al for whatever shortcomings you feel or see around you. Fuck ‘progressivism’, right? Better to regress through destruction to some imagined ideal past -and somehow this devolution is supposed to maintain our dominance despite the inexorable and unstoppable forces of globalization.

    What kind of warped brain could think our civilization is so rotten that its preferable to murder or completely dispossess anyone who doesn’t look like or agree with you?
    How could any sane person not prefer to attempt PROGRESS, despite its imperfections, to this authoritarian tribalism?

    [Editor: http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/imm.htm ]

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  533. J.S. Mills, who but a bitch fights straw men in lieu of the real thing?

    Try and follow the bouncing ball:

    Freedom of Association
    Self-Determination

    If we don’t get them the easy way, we’ll get them the hard way. That no one opposed to ethnopatriotism will address this crux of the issue announces your weakness.

    In short, why should I sit still for people who want to shoehorn me into their insane plans?

    Be all utopian and progressive and self-destructive on your own fucking dime. Insist continuing to pick my pocket and there’s going to be trouble.

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  534. […] go ahead and publish the sources of his meditations. The substance of his muse is substantial. His latest announcement at Roissy 's is a tour de force of quotes throughout history about the evil of fiat money. Of […]

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